Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components

2012-03-12 Thread GREG LINDH

 
  Wow!  The depth and unbiased nature of this post, and the ones responding to 
it, is truly amazing.  
 
 
 
  Greg L.
 
 



> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:44:27 -0700
> From: mlbl...@cox.net
> To: richardli...@comcast.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's 
> Components
> 
> A major element in the problem with most of those calling
> Themselves Christians these days is that they
> See God as an anthropomorphic individual. This makes it
> Difficult to see the "glory" or creation in anything other
> Than comic book images.
> 
> They actually envision God as a big (male) human who
> Literally, with His hands, shaped Adam out of mud.
> They cannot even see what a nearly perfect allegory that is
> For evolution arising from a primeval "soup."
> 
> Evidence of transpermia is growing - but don't confuse
> Them with facts.
> 
> Odd
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/10/12 5:58 AM, "Dick Lipke"  wrote:
> 
> > Years ago I got a lot of questionable looks concerning my sanity when I
> > brought up
> > the idea of meteorites being "the Johny Appleseed of of life on Earth" to
> > members of my astronomy club.
> > Needless to say it resulted in many,many comments of out rage.
> > They reminded me of how it must have felt to be among the first
> > to refute the idea that Earth was the center of the Universe.
> > Lucky for me my kind of thinking came in 20th century, back then they still
> > burnt 
> > people at the stake for being possessed by satin.
> > 
> > 
> > Richard Lipke
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> >> Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components
> >> ScienceDaily, March 9, 2012,
> >> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120309104845.htm
> >> 
> >> Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components
> >> Klaus Schmidt, March 10, 2012
> >> http://spacefellowship.com/news/art27926/meteorites-reveal-another-way-to-mak
> >> e-life-s-components.html
> >> 
> >> The paper is:
> >> 
> >> Burton, A. S., J. E. Elsila, M. P. Callahan, M. G. Martin, D. P.
> >> Glavin, N. M. Johnson, and J. P. Dworkin. A propensity
> >> for n-w-amino acids in thermally altered Antarctic
> >> meteorites. Meteoritics & Planetary Science. Article
> >> first published online: 8 March 2012
> >> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2012.01341.x/abstract
> >> 
> >> best wishes,
> >> 
> >> Paul H.
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[meteorite-list] 3 Italia Fireballs 10/12MAR2012

2012-03-12 Thread drtanuki
Dear List,
3 Italia Fireballs 10/12MAR2012
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/three-fireballs-over-italia-1012mar2012.html

Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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[meteorite-list] NWA 5958 Polished Surface

2012-03-12 Thread Greg Hupé

Hello All,

At the request of the new owner of the 3.454g specimen, I polished the very 
flat side for minimal material loss. Here is the image showing what the 
inside of this new Ungrouped carbonaceous looks like.


http://www.lunarrock.com/NWA5958/nwa5958PolishedSurface1.jpg
(Surface area measures 25mm x 18mm)

Enjoy!
Greg


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components

2012-03-12 Thread Erik Fisler
Breaking away from invisible men in the sky and back to science..

Amino acids alone make up 60 ppm of Murchison, by weight. PAHs
make up 0.3% of its weight. Earth formed with huge quantities of
organic molecules.
Today’s biosphere has ~ 3 x 1041 C atoms. If the early Earth had this
many C atoms all in building block molecules with ~ 10 C atoms each,
that’s ~ 3 x 1040 total molecules. Say there are ~ 105 molecules with up
to 10 C atoms (uracil, dihydroxyacetone, naphthalene, etc.). That
means there are ~ 3 x 1035 copies of each molecule on Earth.
The volume of Earth's oceans and land is < 1025 cm3. Each thimbleful
(cubic centimeter) of ocean had > 3 x 1010 cm3 copies of each of these
different organic compounds. Each one can bang into each other one
in a matter of minutes, potentially making ~ 1010 new combinations.
Each day, lightning, solar radiation, volcanic heat, heat from impacts,
breaks apart molecules, making more new combinations possible.
Mixing in the oceans increased the combinations possible.
This went on, day after day after day, for 100 billion days (300 Myr)

[Erik]



- Original Message -
From: Dick Lipke 
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's 
Components

I promise this is the last on this issue. I always believed religions
were created after the first humans began to become aware what the 
meaning of death really meant. Maybe that's when emotions took a giant 
leap and evolved into affection and love.The creation of religion eased their
grief by believing in a after life for the loss of a loved one or friend. 


    

Richard Lipke
- Original Message -
> Eric postulates...
> 
> "And this might be offensive to some, and I'm
> >sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity
> >started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened
> >before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the
> >unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained
> >stop and start at "I don't know, lets find out." instead of "god did
> >it".
> 
> Eric,
> 
> I think the attached article published in the national media today
> will go a long way toward answering your question. This NASA scientist
> is described by his fellow workers as an evangelical Christian that
> insisted on proselytizing at work.
> 
> http://www.centredaily.com/2012/03/11/3122308/suit-nasa-specialist-axed-over.html
> 
> Most persons of faith believe they have had revealed to them the
> entire creation story and aren't interested in anyone trying to change
> their beliefs. They know, and I believe fear, that to accept any of
> the science would mean having to strip whole pages out of what they
> are taught is divine revelation.
> 
> Respectfully, I suggest you give it up, or take it somewhere else.
> 
> Count Deiro
> IMCA 3536
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: e...@meteoritesusa.com
> >Sent: Mar 11, 2012 9:08 PM
> >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make
> >Life's Components
> >
> >Good points Richard, Michael, (I will apologize in advance for the
> >length of this post; I started writing a couldn't stop)
> >
> >Divine Creation vs Natural Formation. That is the question. That is a
> >VERY large part of why I love meteorites so much. Meteorites have
> >allowed me a look into the universe and answer some very important
> >personal, spiritual, and scientific questions as to the origins of
> >Earth, the planets, and ourselves. Meteorites are keys to unlocking
> >our past, the formation of Earth, the solar system, stars, galaxies,
> >and ultimately the universe itself.
> >
> >The problem with the divine creation (anthropomorphic creator)
> >hypothesis is that it's an assumption of observance. In other words
> >the watchmaker paradox. The universe exists, how did it come to be?
> >Something must have "created" it. Right? Not necessarily. That my
> >friends is an absolute assumption.
> >
> >And the argument should stop right there, but it doesn't. Believers
> >will argue that something can't come from nothing and non-believers
> >will argue that everything came from what we perceive as nothing.
> >(The
> >Big Bang) Science and non-believers go one step further and say "We
> >don't know what happened before the Big Bang." That is intellectual
> >honesty and good science. And this might be offensive to some, and
> >I'm
> >sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity
> >started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened
> >before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the
> >unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained
> >stop and start at "I don't know, lets find out." instead of "god did
> >it."?
> >
> >Evolution, Panspermia, Transpermia, Abiogenesis, Planetary Science,
> >Astrobiology, Astronomy, Anthropol

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components

2012-03-12 Thread Dick Lipke
I promise this is the last on this issue. I always believed religions
were created after the first humans began to become aware what the 
meaning of death really meant. Maybe that's when emotions took a giant 
leap and evolved into affection and love.The creation of religion eased their
 grief by believing in a after life for the loss of a loved one or friend. 




Richard Lipke
- Original Message -
> Eric postulates...
> 
> "And this might be offensive to some, and I'm
> >sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity
> >started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened
> >before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the
> >unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained
> >stop and start at "I don't know, lets find out." instead of "god did
> >it".
> 
> Eric,
> 
> I think the attached article published in the national media today
> will go a long way toward answering your question. This NASA scientist
> is described by his fellow workers as an evangelical Christian that
> insisted on proselytizing at work.
> 
> http://www.centredaily.com/2012/03/11/3122308/suit-nasa-specialist-axed-over.html
> 
> Most persons of faith believe they have had revealed to them the
> entire creation story and aren't interested in anyone trying to change
> their beliefs. They know, and I believe fear, that to accept any of
> the science would mean having to strip whole pages out of what they
> are taught is divine revelation.
> 
> Respectfully, I suggest you give it up, or take it somewhere else.
> 
> Count Deiro
> IMCA 3536
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: e...@meteoritesusa.com
> >Sent: Mar 11, 2012 9:08 PM
> >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make
> >Life's Components
> >
> >Good points Richard, Michael, (I will apologize in advance for the
> >length of this post; I started writing a couldn't stop)
> >
> >Divine Creation vs Natural Formation. That is the question. That is a
> >VERY large part of why I love meteorites so much. Meteorites have
> >allowed me a look into the universe and answer some very important
> >personal, spiritual, and scientific questions as to the origins of
> >Earth, the planets, and ourselves. Meteorites are keys to unlocking
> >our past, the formation of Earth, the solar system, stars, galaxies,
> >and ultimately the universe itself.
> >
> >The problem with the divine creation (anthropomorphic creator)
> >hypothesis is that it's an assumption of observance. In other words
> >the watchmaker paradox. The universe exists, how did it come to be?
> >Something must have "created" it. Right? Not necessarily. That my
> >friends is an absolute assumption.
> >
> >And the argument should stop right there, but it doesn't. Believers
> >will argue that something can't come from nothing and non-believers
> >will argue that everything came from what we perceive as nothing.
> >(The
> >Big Bang) Science and non-believers go one step further and say "We
> >don't know what happened before the Big Bang." That is intellectual
> >honesty and good science. And this might be offensive to some, and
> >I'm
> >sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity
> >started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened
> >before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the
> >unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained
> >stop and start at "I don't know, lets find out." instead of "god did
> >it."?
> >
> >Evolution, Panspermia, Transpermia, Abiogenesis, Planetary Science,
> >Astrobiology, Astronomy, Anthropology, Archeology, they all help
> >explain the universe and world around us.
> >
> >Meteorites specifically are absolutely a vital clue to unlocking the
> >secrets of the universe because they (the asteroids and comets that
> >make them) not only are they the very material that formed our
> >planet,
> >every single planet, planetesimal, asteroid, comet, meteoroid, and
> >spec of dust floating around our star was once part of another star
> >before, as are we. It's a cycle, a system, a circular system of
> >formation and destruction, somewhere in between life formed.
> >
> >Why create a creator to explain the unexplainable? Why not instead
> >use
> >science to determine origins rather than speculate on a divine
> >supernatural beginning. Empirical evidenced fact outweighs
> >speculative
> >assumption every time. We are in fact part of nature, not separate
> >from it. We need not transpose an anthropomorphic creatot to explain
> >something we don't yet know.
> >
> >Regardless of whether there is a divine creator, or not, no one can
> >prove it empirically either way. (yet) That's what science is for. If
> >there is, science will find out, if there is not, science will find
> >out. Either way, the truth will only be the truth when we prove it
> >with evidence, not speculative assumption of the observa

[meteorite-list] 'Meteorite Man' Rob Elliot on Channel Fife TV

2012-03-12 Thread valparint
Note his outstanding meteorite hunting 'cane' at about 2:19.

Paul Swartz

> 'Meteorite Man' Rob Elliot on Channel Fife TV
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06I3xxQD0Jw
> 
> ''We join Rob Elliot on his hunt for meteorites that fell over the UK in 
> March 2012.
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[meteorite-list] 'Meteorite Man' Rob Elliot on Channel Fife TV

2012-03-12 Thread karmaka
'Meteorite Man' Rob Elliot on Channel Fife TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06I3xxQD0Jw

''We join Rob Elliot on his hunt for meteorites that fell over the UK in March 
2012. Rob is offering a cash award for genuine meteorites and explains how to 
spot them and how to get in touch with him. The Glass Bullet Production 
'Meteorite Men' is now in production and will be appearing on Channel Fife TV.''
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread Darryl Pitt


hi, 

luotolax has an incredibly glossy crust and was a perfectly oriented meteorite 
as wellamong the most spectacularly oriented stones---nay...meteorites 
generally---i had ever seen (prior to subdivision on the part of a dealer to 
whom the meteorite had been provided to facilitate an exchange).  pristine for 
~185 years, i saw luotolax before and after cutting and it was a heartbreak. 
ultimately snagged a bit and haven't seen this classic mentioned in quite some 
time. 



On Mar 12, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Pekka Savolainen wrote:

> 
> Yes, thanks, Tomasz,  finnish Luotolax (HOW) has
> quite nice, clossy crust;
> 
> http://www.somerikko.net/kuvat/met/hlm/hlm_luotolax_1.jpg
> 
> best, pekka s
> 
> 12.3.2012 21:05, Tomasz Jakubowski kirjoitti:
>> Hello Pekka, All,
>> not HOW, probably OC (as was written in last emails).
>> Anyway, check out crust, Howardites should have glossy crust... This piece 
>> have typical crust for OC (primary and secondary).
>> 
>> 
>> All the best
>> Tomasz Jakubowski
>> Managing Editor
>> http://www.meteorites.pwr.wroc.pl/
>> 
>> Dnia 12-03-2012 o godz. 19:43 Pekka Savolainen napisał(a):
>>> text only in finnish, but a good pic. howardite?
>>> 
>>> http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat.shtml/2012/03/1510496/pala-meteoriittia-tomahti-norjalaispariskunnan-mokkiin---katso-kuvat
>>> 
>>> pekka s
>>> 
>>> 12.3.2012 19:40, karmaka kirjoitti:
 To get a better impression of the meteorite you can watch this TV report:
 
 http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=50476
 
 Martin
 
 Von: "karmaka"
   An: "MstrEman", Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
   Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:00:57 +0100
 
 Here you go, Elton :
 
   Meteor with sonic boom - 1st March 2012, ~ 8:37 pm, Norefjell, Buskerud,
>>> Norway
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCmvrkTMZM
 
   
 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.bangirommet.no/pages/news/ildkule12.html&usg=ALkJrhgy_y2uraAIqWRU95u52QF1O54o7g
 
   http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/meteorite-fall-in-southern-norway
 
   Sole Skog Observatory, Vestby :
 
   http://www.allskycam.com/u.php?u=392
 
   http://danielsen.exposuremanager.com/g/20120301
 
   http://voksenlia.net/nytt/2012/ildkule-20120301.mp4
 
   Best regards,
 
   Martin
 
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   Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
   Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:19 +0100
 
   Hummm,,,  Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball
   or sonic boom report?  Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about
   meteorite producing events?
 
 
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[meteorite-list] New bright sungrazing comet about to enter SOHO LASCO field of view

2012-03-12 Thread Matson, Robert D.
Hi All,

Most of you probably haven't heard about this yet, so I thought I'd
give you a heads up that the brightest sungrazing comet since Comet
Lovejoy last year will soon be entering the SOHO LASCO C3 field of
view. It was discovered in SWAN images last week by Vladimir Bezugly,
and confirmed by me over the weekend in imagery both from SWAN
and STEREO-B.

Most are assuming that this is probably a Kreutz family comet,
but due to the coarseness of the SWAN data (both spatially and
temporally), non-Kreutz orbital solutions are still possible.
It will be interesting to see if the comet is bright enough to
potentially survive perihelion passage as Comet Lovejoy did.
Of course, that will depend a lot on the orbit; for instance,
right now I get some orbital solutions that actually intersect
the sun late on March 14th.  --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread Pekka Savolainen


Yes, thanks, Tomasz,  finnish Luotolax (HOW) has
quite nice, clossy crust;

http://www.somerikko.net/kuvat/met/hlm/hlm_luotolax_1.jpg

best, pekka s

12.3.2012 21:05, Tomasz Jakubowski kirjoitti:

Hello Pekka, All,
not HOW, probably OC (as was written in last emails).
Anyway, check out crust, Howardites should have glossy crust... This piece have 
typical crust for OC (primary and secondary).


All the best
Tomasz Jakubowski
Managing Editor
http://www.meteorites.pwr.wroc.pl/

Dnia 12-03-2012 o godz. 19:43 Pekka Savolainen napisał(a):

text only in finnish, but a good pic. howardite?

http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat.shtml/2012/03/1510496/pala-meteoriittia-tomahti-norjalaispariskunnan-mokkiin---katso-kuvat

pekka s

12.3.2012 19:40, karmaka kirjoitti:

To get a better impression of the meteorite you can watch this TV report:

http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=50476

Martin

Von: "karmaka"
   An: "MstrEman", Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
   Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:00:57 +0100

Here you go, Elton :

   Meteor with sonic boom - 1st March 2012, ~ 8:37 pm, Norefjell, Buskerud,

Norway

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCmvrkTMZM

   
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.bangirommet.no/pages/news/ildkule12.html&usg=ALkJrhgy_y2uraAIqWRU95u52QF1O54o7g

   http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/meteorite-fall-in-southern-norway

   Sole Skog Observatory, Vestby :

   http://www.allskycam.com/u.php?u=392

   http://danielsen.exposuremanager.com/g/20120301

   http://voksenlia.net/nytt/2012/ildkule-20120301.mp4

   Best regards,

   Martin

   Von: MstrEman
   An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
   Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:19 +0100

   Hummm,,,  Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball
   or sonic boom report?  Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about
   meteorite producing events?


   Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread Tomasz Jakubowski
Hello Pekka, All,
not HOW, probably OC (as was written in last emails).
Anyway, check out crust, Howardites should have glossy crust... This piece have 
typical crust for OC (primary and secondary).


All the best
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Dnia 12-03-2012 o godz. 19:43 Pekka Savolainen napisał(a):
> text only in finnish, but a good pic. howardite?
> 
> http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat.shtml/2012/03/1510496/pala-meteoriittia-tomahti-norjalaispariskunnan-mokkiin---katso-kuvat
> 
> pekka s
> 
> 12.3.2012 19:40, karmaka kirjoitti:
> > To get a better impression of the meteorite you can watch this TV report:
> >
> > http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=50476
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Von: "karmaka"
> >   An: "MstrEman", Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >   Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
> >   Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:00:57 +0100
> >
> > Here you go, Elton :
> >
> >   Meteor with sonic boom - 1st March 2012, ~ 8:37 pm, Norefjell, Buskerud, 
> Norway
> >
> >   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCmvrkTMZM
> >
> >   
> > http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.bangirommet.no/pages/news/ildkule12.html&usg=ALkJrhgy_y2uraAIqWRU95u52QF1O54o7g
> >
> >   http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/meteorite-fall-in-southern-norway
> >
> >   Sole Skog Observatory, Vestby :
> >
> >   http://www.allskycam.com/u.php?u=392
> >
> >   http://danielsen.exposuremanager.com/g/20120301
> >
> >   http://voksenlia.net/nytt/2012/ildkule-20120301.mp4
> >
> >   Best regards,
> >
> >   Martin
> >
> >   Von: MstrEman
> >   An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >   Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
> >   Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:19 +0100
> >
> >   Hummm,,,  Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball
> >   or sonic boom report?  Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about
> >   meteorite producing events?
> >
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components

2012-03-12 Thread Count Deiro
Eric postulates...

"And this might be offensive to some, and I'm  
>sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity  
>started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened  
>before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the  
>unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained  
>stop and start at "I don't know, lets find out." instead of "god did  
>it".

Eric,

I think the attached article published in the national media today will go a 
long way toward answering your question. This NASA scientist is described by 
his fellow workers as an evangelical Christian that insisted on proselytizing 
at work.
 
http://www.centredaily.com/2012/03/11/3122308/suit-nasa-specialist-axed-over.html

Most persons of faith believe they have had revealed to them the entire 
creation story and aren't interested in anyone trying to change their beliefs. 
They know, and I believe fear, that to accept any of the science would mean 
having to strip whole pages out of what they are taught is divine revelation. 

Respectfully, I suggest you give it up, or take it somewhere else.  

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536   


-Original Message-
>From: e...@meteoritesusa.com
>Sent: Mar 11, 2012 9:08 PM
>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to MakeLife's  
>Components
>
>Good points Richard, Michael, (I will apologize in advance for the  
>length of this post; I started writing a couldn't stop)
>
>Divine Creation vs Natural Formation. That is the question. That is a  
>VERY large part of why I love meteorites so much. Meteorites have  
>allowed me a look into the universe and answer some very important  
>personal, spiritual, and scientific questions as to the origins of  
>Earth, the planets, and ourselves. Meteorites are keys to unlocking  
>our past, the formation of Earth, the solar system, stars, galaxies,  
>and ultimately the universe itself.
>
>The problem with the divine creation (anthropomorphic creator)  
>hypothesis is that it's an assumption of observance. In other words  
>the watchmaker paradox. The universe exists, how did it come to be?  
>Something must have "created" it. Right? Not necessarily. That my  
>friends is an absolute assumption.
>
>And the argument should stop right there, but it doesn't. Believers  
>will argue that something can't come from nothing and non-believers  
>will argue that everything came from what we perceive as nothing. (The  
>Big Bang) Science and non-believers go one step further and say "We  
>don't know what happened before the Big Bang." That is intellectual  
>honesty and good science. And this might be offensive to some, and I'm  
>sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity  
>started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened  
>before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the  
>unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained  
>stop and start at "I don't know, lets find out." instead of "god did  
>it."?
>
>Evolution, Panspermia, Transpermia, Abiogenesis, Planetary Science,  
>Astrobiology, Astronomy, Anthropology, Archeology, they all help  
>explain the universe and world around us.
>
>Meteorites specifically are absolutely a vital clue to unlocking the  
>secrets of the universe because they (the asteroids and comets that  
>make them) not only are they the very material that formed our planet,  
>every single planet, planetesimal, asteroid, comet, meteoroid, and  
>spec of dust floating around our star was once part of another star  
>before, as are we. It's a cycle, a system, a circular system of  
>formation and destruction, somewhere in between life formed.
>
>Why create a creator to explain the unexplainable? Why not instead use  
>science to determine origins rather than speculate on a divine  
>supernatural beginning. Empirical evidenced fact outweighs speculative  
>assumption every time. We are in fact part of nature, not separate  
>from it. We need not transpose an anthropomorphic creatot to explain  
>something we don't yet know.
>
>Regardless of whether there is a divine creator, or not, no one can  
>prove it empirically either way. (yet) That's what science is for. If  
>there is, science will find out, if there is not, science will find  
>out. Either way, the truth will only be the truth when we prove it  
>with evidence, not speculative assumption of the observable.
>
>Regards,
>Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>Quoting Richard Montgomery :
>
>> Hi Michael and List (a different Richard here!)
>>
>> Contrary to the often mis-conception that 'religion' and 'God' are
>> interchangeable...and considering the 'dangerous' ground upon which a
>> discussion of this sort may be inappropriate for the meteoritical
>> discussion hereallow me this thought:
>>
>> A person of 'faith' may not rule out transpernmia in theory;  it simply
>> expands the pie.  A 'religious' person tied tethe

Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread Pekka Savolainen


text only in finnish, but a good pic. howardite?

http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat.shtml/2012/03/1510496/pala-meteoriittia-tomahti-norjalaispariskunnan-mokkiin---katso-kuvat

pekka s

12.3.2012 19:40, karmaka kirjoitti:

To get a better impression of the meteorite you can watch this TV report:

http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=50476

Martin

Von: "karmaka"
  An: "MstrEman", Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
  Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:00:57 +0100

Here you go, Elton :

  Meteor with sonic boom - 1st March 2012, ~ 8:37 pm, Norefjell, Buskerud, 
Norway

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCmvrkTMZM

  
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.bangirommet.no/pages/news/ildkule12.html&usg=ALkJrhgy_y2uraAIqWRU95u52QF1O54o7g

  http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/meteorite-fall-in-southern-norway

  Sole Skog Observatory, Vestby :

  http://www.allskycam.com/u.php?u=392

  http://danielsen.exposuremanager.com/g/20120301

  http://voksenlia.net/nytt/2012/ildkule-20120301.mp4

  Best regards,

  Martin

  Von: MstrEman
  An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
  Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:19 +0100

  Hummm,,,  Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball
  or sonic boom report?  Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about
  meteorite producing events?


  Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to MakeLife's Components

2012-03-12 Thread Richard Montgomery
At the risk of furthing an off-topic topic...I'll try to steer it back to 
meteoritic relevence:


There is a subtle irony in the 'big' questions discussed within this thread 
before (no, not irons, although I won't rule it out!)...all we do is re-read 
books such as Dodd's earlier edition of Meteorites to remember how recently 
there were no lunars yet, (at that point)and if our highly respected 
meteoriticists had ruled out possibilities, we'd have been stuck.


Personally, if I can't rule something out, I will rule it in as a potential. 
Put another way, that which science cannot yet explain should be possible.


As with all of us, aren't we waiting in extreme excitement to hear of the 
possibilities with Tissint, for example?  (I recall this same feeling when 
NWA 5400 arrived, and many many others)


Richard Montgomery




- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to MakeLife's 
Components



Good points Richard, Michael, (I will apologize in advance for the  length 
of this post; I started writing a couldn't stop)


Divine Creation vs Natural Formation. That is the question. That is a 
VERY large part of why I love meteorites so much. Meteorites have  allowed 
me a look into the universe and answer some very important  personal, 
spiritual, and scientific questions as to the origins of  Earth, the 
planets, and ourselves. Meteorites are keys to unlocking  our past, the 
formation of Earth, the solar system, stars, galaxies,  and ultimately the 
universe itself.


The problem with the divine creation (anthropomorphic creator)  hypothesis 
is that it's an assumption of observance. In other words  the watchmaker 
paradox. The universe exists, how did it come to be?  Something must have 
"created" it. Right? Not necessarily. That my  friends is an absolute 
assumption.


And the argument should stop right there, but it doesn't. Believers  will 
argue that something can't come from nothing and non-believers  will argue 
that everything came from what we perceive as nothing. (The  Big Bang) 
Science and non-believers go one step further and say "We  don't know what 
happened before the Big Bang." That is intellectual  honesty and good 
science. And this might be offensive to some, and I'm  sorry if offends, 
but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity  started it, is pure 
speculation, because no one knows what happened  before, in the beginning, 
and it creates the creator to explain the  unexplained formation of the 
observable. Why can't the unexplained  stop and start at "I don't know, 
lets find out." instead of "god did  it."?


Evolution, Panspermia, Transpermia, Abiogenesis, Planetary Science, 
Astrobiology, Astronomy, Anthropology, Archeology, they all help  explain 
the universe and world around us.


Meteorites specifically are absolutely a vital clue to unlocking the 
secrets of the universe because they (the asteroids and comets that  make 
them) not only are they the very material that formed our planet,  every 
single planet, planetesimal, asteroid, comet, meteoroid, and  spec of dust 
floating around our star was once part of another star  before, as are we. 
It's a cycle, a system, a circular system of  formation and destruction, 
somewhere in between life formed.


Why create a creator to explain the unexplainable? Why not instead use 
science to determine origins rather than speculate on a divine 
supernatural beginning. Empirical evidenced fact outweighs speculative 
assumption every time. We are in fact part of nature, not separate  from 
it. We need not transpose an anthropomorphic creatot to explain  something 
we don't yet know.


Regardless of whether there is a divine creator, or not, no one can  prove 
it empirically either way. (yet) That's what science is for. If  there is, 
science will find out, if there is not, science will find  out. Either 
way, the truth will only be the truth when we prove it  with evidence, not 
speculative assumption of the observable.


Regards,
Eric





Quoting Richard Montgomery :


Hi Michael and List (a different Richard here!)

Contrary to the often mis-conception that 'religion' and 'God' are
interchangeable...and considering the 'dangerous' ground upon which a
discussion of this sort may be inappropriate for the meteoritical
discussion hereallow me this thought:

A person of 'faith' may not rule out transpernmia in theory;  it simply
expands the pie.  A 'religious' person tied tether-bound to a strick
doctrine may reject such an 'outlandish' notion out-of-hand, as it
disrupts the entire reality from which their foundation is built.

In short, (in my small and insignificant yet human perspective), it
should be rational to allow both transpermia and a perspective of God
that trancends all current 'views' of even Christianity, allowing for
all three to co-existjust a thought

Richard Montgomery


- Original Message - Fro

[meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components

2012-03-12 Thread valparint
Modern science is no slouch at persecution. Stand on a soap box and speak out 
against the no-threshold concept for toxins and radiation, statins, global 
warming (oops - climate change), decreasing polar bear population, or the 
viability of alternate energy. You'll get plenty of persecution. You won't be 
tortured to death, but it wont be from lack of desire - it's just because it's 
not so easy to do any more.

Paul Swartz

> They damned
> Near tortured Galileo to death for saying the world was not the center
> Of the universe (and he lived the remainder of his life under house arrest).
> 
> Religious persecution of scientific recognition of inconvenient
> facts has always been part of history and continues to this day ...
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread karmaka
To get a better impression of the meteorite you can watch this TV report:
 
http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=50476
 
Martin
 
Von: "karmaka" 
 An: "MstrEman" , Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
 Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:00:57 +0100
 
Here you go, Elton :
 
 Meteor with sonic boom - 1st March 2012, ~ 8:37 pm, Norefjell, Buskerud, Norway
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCmvrkTMZM
 
 
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.bangirommet.no/pages/news/ildkule12.html&usg=ALkJrhgy_y2uraAIqWRU95u52QF1O54o7g
 
 http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/meteorite-fall-in-southern-norway
 
 Sole Skog Observatory, Vestby :
 
 http://www.allskycam.com/u.php?u=392
 
 http://danielsen.exposuremanager.com/g/20120301
 
 http://voksenlia.net/nytt/2012/ildkule-20120301.mp4
 
 Best regards,
 
 Martin
 
 Von: MstrEman 
 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
 Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:19 +0100
 
 Hummm,,,  Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball
 or sonic boom report?  Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about
 meteorite producing events?
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread Chris Peterson
I think it is very likely that the majority of meteorites are not 
preceded by fireballs, or not by particularly impressive ones.


There is a difference between the well supported assertion that most 
slow, bright fireballs produce meteorites, and the unsupported assertion 
that most meteorites derive from parent bodies that produced substantial 
meteors.


(There's no way a stone this size was traveling 1000 kph when it 
impacted; maybe a third of that at most. Not that the terminal speed is 
relevant to any details of the meteor event, however.)


Chris

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On 3/12/2012 9:44 AM, MstrEman wrote:

Hummm,,,  Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball
or sonic boom report?  Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about
meteorite producing events?


Elton


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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread karmaka
Here you go, Elton :
 
Meteor with sonic boom - 1st March 2012, ~ 8:37 pm, Norefjell, Buskerud, Norway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCmvrkTMZM

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.bangirommet.no/pages/news/ildkule12.html&usg=ALkJrhgy_y2uraAIqWRU95u52QF1O54o7g

http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/meteorite-fall-in-southern-norway

Sole Skog Observatory, Vestby :

http://www.allskycam.com/u.php?u=392

http://danielsen.exposuremanager.com/g/20120301

http://voksenlia.net/nytt/2012/ildkule-20120301.mp4

Best regards,

Martin
 
Von: MstrEman 
 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
 Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:19 +0100
 
Hummm,,,  Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball
 or sonic boom report?  Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about
 meteorite producing events?
 
 
 Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread MstrEman
Hummm,,,  Strikes the ground at up to1000kph and not a single fireball
or sonic boom report?  Is this a new twist to the current wisdom about
meteorite producing events?


Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components

2012-03-12 Thread eric
Good points Richard, Michael, (I will apologize in advance for the  
length of this post; I started writing a couldn't stop)


Divine Creation vs Natural Formation. That is the question. That is a  
VERY large part of why I love meteorites so much. Meteorites have  
allowed me a look into the universe and answer some very important  
personal, spiritual, and scientific questions as to the origins of  
Earth, the planets, and ourselves. Meteorites are keys to unlocking  
our past, the formation of Earth, the solar system, stars, galaxies,  
and ultimately the universe itself.


The problem with the divine creation (anthropomorphic creator)  
hypothesis is that it's an assumption of observance. In other words  
the watchmaker paradox. The universe exists, how did it come to be?  
Something must have "created" it. Right? Not necessarily. That my  
friends is an absolute assumption.


And the argument should stop right there, but it doesn't. Believers  
will argue that something can't come from nothing and non-believers  
will argue that everything came from what we perceive as nothing. (The  
Big Bang) Science and non-believers go one step further and say "We  
don't know what happened before the Big Bang." That is intellectual  
honesty and good science. And this might be offensive to some, and I'm  
sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity  
started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened  
before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the  
unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained  
stop and start at "I don't know, lets find out." instead of "god did  
it."?


Evolution, Panspermia, Transpermia, Abiogenesis, Planetary Science,  
Astrobiology, Astronomy, Anthropology, Archeology, they all help  
explain the universe and world around us.


Meteorites specifically are absolutely a vital clue to unlocking the  
secrets of the universe because they (the asteroids and comets that  
make them) not only are they the very material that formed our planet,  
every single planet, planetesimal, asteroid, comet, meteoroid, and  
spec of dust floating around our star was once part of another star  
before, as are we. It's a cycle, a system, a circular system of  
formation and destruction, somewhere in between life formed.


Why create a creator to explain the unexplainable? Why not instead use  
science to determine origins rather than speculate on a divine  
supernatural beginning. Empirical evidenced fact outweighs speculative  
assumption every time. We are in fact part of nature, not separate  
from it. We need not transpose an anthropomorphic creatot to explain  
something we don't yet know.


Regardless of whether there is a divine creator, or not, no one can  
prove it empirically either way. (yet) That's what science is for. If  
there is, science will find out, if there is not, science will find  
out. Either way, the truth will only be the truth when we prove it  
with evidence, not speculative assumption of the observable.


Regards,
Eric





Quoting Richard Montgomery :


Hi Michael and List (a different Richard here!)

Contrary to the often mis-conception that 'religion' and 'God' are
interchangeable...and considering the 'dangerous' ground upon which a
discussion of this sort may be inappropriate for the meteoritical
discussion hereallow me this thought:

A person of 'faith' may not rule out transpernmia in theory;  it simply
expands the pie.  A 'religious' person tied tether-bound to a strick
doctrine may reject such an 'outlandish' notion out-of-hand, as it
disrupts the entire reality from which their foundation is built.

In short, (in my small and insignificant yet human perspective), it
should be rational to allow both transpermia and a perspective of God
that trancends all current 'views' of even Christianity, allowing for
all three to co-existjust a thought

Richard Montgomery


- Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" 
To: "Dick Lipke" ; "Meteorite List"

Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make
Life's Components



Hi Richard,

  As an Anthropologist I can assure you all religions have NOT
Viewed God as male - some were female and some were non-gender
Specific "spirit."

  Garry, I agree with you - interesting topic, but I fear a good many
On the list would see it as non-meteorite related in spite of the fact
That transpermia (via meteorites) compels such a discussion about why
People "of faith" would reject transpermia out of hand. They damned
Near tortured Galileo to death for saying the world was not the center
Of the universe (and he lived the remainder of his life under house arrest).

Religious persecution of scientific recognition of inconvenient
facts has always been part of history and continues to this day - most
religions holding the view, "the way we see things IS the way things are"
while others ov

[meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway - beware of criminals!

2012-03-12 Thread Bjorn Sorheim


This location in Oslo happen to have high crime rate,
probably one of the highest in Norway. Murders, violence etc.
While studying in Oslo many years back I lived only a kilometer from
the fall location for many years. I run into one of the criminals while I 
lived here.

The story is not so nice to tell.. So be warned if you go here.

The stone is a breccia. Probably ordinary chondrite H or L, maybe L?
This find may(?) be a result of the high interest factor concerning meteorites
in Norway.
Moss and Oslo is not far from each other, so really fantastic, just 6 years 
apart!


Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway

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[meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway - beware of criminals!

2012-03-12 Thread Bjorn Sorheim


This location in Oslo happen to have a high crime rate,
probably one of the highest in Norway. Murders, violence etc.
While studying in Oslo many years back I lived only a kilometer from
the fall location for many years. I run into one of the criminals while I 
lived here.

The story is not so nice to tell.. So be warned if you go here.

The stone is a breccia. Probably ordinary chondrite H or L, maybe L?
This find may(?) be a result of the high interest factor concerning meteorites
in Norway.
Moss and Oslo is not far from each other, so really fantastic, just 6 years 
apart!


Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway 


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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5958 - Specimens - AD

2012-03-12 Thread Michael Gilmer
Hi Greg and List,

Awesome meteorite.  I'll state the obvious - from looking at the
photos, Murchison comes to mind.  It definitely reminds me of
Murchison.  That type of material has a certain look to it, and I
wouldn't be surprised if most carbonaceous stones of these types share
a parent body.  Perhaps Murchison and her children got thrown off a
large C-ung asteroid.  :)

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 3/12/12, Greg Hupé  wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> Last night I announced and posted a couple links to abstracts of,
> NWA 5958, a Uniquely Primitive Ungrouped Carbonaceous Chondrite Type 3.00
>
> Available specimens as of 3-12-2012 (all are fragments, some with fusion
> crust). I have not cut any of the fragments, but you can see how fresh and
> much darker the interior is by the first image of the 9.726g piece. I would
> like to offer these on a first come, first served basis so please email me
> if you are interested in any of these. Thank you for your interest!
>
> 9.726g – $2430.00 (SOLD)
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0001.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0002.jpg
>
> 8.718g – $2180.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0003.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0004.jpg
>
> 8.284g - $2070.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0005.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0006.jpg
>
> 6.778g - $1695.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0007.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0008.jpg
>
> 6.068g with crust – $1517.00 (SOLD)
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0009.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0010.jpg
>
> 5.830g with crust - $1458.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0011.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0012.jpg
>
> 5.380g with small amount of crust - $1345.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0013.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0014.jpg
>
> 5.106g with crust - $1276.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0015.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0016.jpg
>
> 4.706g with crust - $1176.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0017.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0018.jpg
>
> 4.626g - $1156.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0019.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0020.jpg
>
> 4.398g with crust - $1099.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0021.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0022.jpg
>
> 3.914g - $979.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0023.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0024.jpg
>
> 3.592g - $934.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0025.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0026.jpg
>
> 3.456g with crust - $898.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0027.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0028.jpg
>
> 3.454g - $898.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0029.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0030.jpg
>
> 3.058g - $795.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0031.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0032.jpg
>
> 2.966g - $771.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0033.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0034.jpg
>
> 2.946g with crust - $766.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0035.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0036.jpg
>
> 2.712g with crust - $732.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0037.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0038.jpg
>
> 2.636g with crust - $712.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0039.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0040.jpg
>
> 2.554g - $689.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0041.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0042.jpg
>
> 2.552g - $689.00
> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0043.jpg
> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0044.jpg
>
> 2.482g - $670.00
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0045.jpg
>
> 2.250g - $630.00
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0046.jpg
>
> 2.212g - $620.00
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0047.jpg
>
> 1.966g - $550.00
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0048.jpg
>
> 1.876g with crust - $544.00
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0049.jpg
>
> 1.626g - $423.00
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0050.jpg
>
> 1.402g - $420.00
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0051.jpg
>
> 1.396g - $419.00
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0052.jpg
>
> 1.390g - $417.00
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0053.jpg
>
> 1.288g - $386.00
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0054.jpg
>
> 1.242g - $372.00
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0055.jpg
>
> 1.224g - $367.00
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5958/dscn0056.jpg
>
>

[meteorite-list] Ad: Murchisons 1 - 50 grams

2012-03-12 Thread W&S Schroer

Hello list,
a good friend of mine here in Australia has access to Murchison specimens in 
the weight range from around 1 – 50 grams.

The price will be less than $US 140/g !
He needs to move fast so anybody who is interested in buying a certain 
amount of this material contact i...@ckminerals.com.au  a.s.a.p.


Cheers

Werner Schroer
IMCA #2101 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread karmaka
This is a new fall. Pack your bags! Go Norge!  ;-)
 
Martin
 
 
Von: "karmaka" 
 An: "Peter Scherff" , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
 Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:35:47 +0100
 
Have a look at this:
 
 
http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2F
 
 Best regards
 
 Martin
 
 Von: "Peter Scherff" 
 An: 
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
 Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:23:54 +0100
 
 Hi Dirk,
 
 The first NWA to fall in Norway!
 http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/meteorite_basaltic%20achondrite.htm
 
 Thanks,
 
 Peter
 
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 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of drtanuki
 Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:50 AM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
 
 Dear List,
 This is a fantastic meteorite!!!
 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roo
 f-in-norway.html
 
 Anyone want to venture guesses?  Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread karmaka
Have a look at this:
 
http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2F
 
Best regards
 
Martin
 
Von: "Peter Scherff" 
 An: 
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
 Datum: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:23:54 +0100
 
Hi Dirk,
 
 The first NWA to fall in Norway!
 http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/meteorite_basaltic%20achondrite.htm
 
 Thanks,
 
 Peter
 
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 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of drtanuki
 Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:50 AM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway
 
 Dear List,
 This is a fantastic meteorite!!!
 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roo
 f-in-norway.html
 
 Anyone want to venture guesses?  Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread Meteorite-Recon.com

Dear list,

As the owner of the pictured meteorite, I am afraid I have to spoil your
enthusiasm a little. As usual in such cases the editors just took a an
exemplary picture from my website to illustrate their article. The "Nordic
Page" making no exception, did so without asking for prior permission.

The meteorite pictured is NWA 5787, an eucrite which was discovered in
2009. The strange appearance is due to a very high shock level, in fact the
extraordinary shock pressures resulted in the complete melting of the
plagioclase in this sample.

However, I absolutely do share your appreciation for this particular
specimen. If interested pls. see some additional photos here:

http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/meteorite_basaltic%20achondrite.htm


Kind regards

Svend

www.meteorite-recon.com 




drtanuki  hat am 12. März 2012 um 11:49 geschrieben:

> Dear List,

>   This is a fantastic meteorite!!!

> 
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roof-in-norway.html

> > Anyone want to venture guesses?  Dirk Ross...Tokyo >

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Dirk,

The first NWA to fall in Norway!
http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/meteorite_basaltic%20achondrite.htm

Thanks,

Peter

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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

Dear List,
  This is a fantastic meteorite!!!
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roo
f-in-norway.html

Anyone want to venture guesses?  Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread Gary K. Foote
This one screams 'Lunar" at me!

Gary

>   This is a fantastic meteorite!!!
> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roof-in-norway.html
>
> Anyone want to venture guesses?  Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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[meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway

2012-03-12 Thread drtanuki
Dear List,
  This is a fantastic meteorite!!!
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/rare-meteorite-strikes-roof-in-norway.html

Anyone want to venture guesses?  Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2012-03-12 Thread valparint
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Gujba

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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[meteorite-list] Australia widely-seen meteor 12MAR2012

2012-03-12 Thread drtanuki
Dear List,  Another large fireball...
Australia widely-seen meteor 12MAR2012
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/03/mbiq-detects-fireball-meteor-over.html

Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components

2012-03-12 Thread Gary K. Foote
Count et. al.,

I had the same thought about conducting any such discussion offlist.  I
just neglected to say so in my initial email.  Forgive my momentary lapse.

Anyone interested in participating or simply listening in please email me
directly using the topic 'Science and Faith' and I will set up a list for
this purpose.  In the name of privacy and a fully open discussion I intend
to strip all comments to the new list of all participant's identities.

Gary

> Maybe on some other LIst? Please.
>
> Count Deiro
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