Re: [mb-style] RFV #2: Amazon Relationship Type
I definitely think ASINs without images should be ok. There's nothing stopping Amazon from removing artwork from an ASIN that has already been related to an entry in the database and it is still good to have the relationship for buying/info purposes. Remove the line! -Aaron (cooperaa) On 5/29/06, Stefan Kestenholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Been wondering if I should write RFC or RFV in the subject in the previous mail, now I know. I choose RFV, because the issue at hand was discussed before (I believe) and, I did not expect real objections be made against it. The discussion "broadened" in the sense that suggestions were brought how the amazon links should be displayed, depending if a ASIN is official or a seller page. My personal opinion is thatusers clicking on the amazon link have to decide if they want to buy from a seller, or not. This is not a feature I'd like to invest time into, when there's much other stuff to be done. I'm not dimissing it, I just say it could be added as a RFE to the bug tracker. This has nothing to do with the removal of the paragraph which is just _not_ correct. Therefore, I issue the request for vetoes now to remove the line from the page which reads "Do not add ASINs to releases that have no image by Amazon" as well as the "Which ASINs are OK, which are not?" section. -- Keschte (g0llum) > First request a comment, let the discussion broaden and die down. > Then formulate your sollution and request a veto. > >DonRedman ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style -- -Aaron ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
[mb-style] RFV #2: Amazon Relationship Type
Been wondering if I should write RFC or RFV in the subject in the previous mail, now I know. I choose RFV, because the issue at hand was discussed before (I believe) and, I did not expect real objections be made against it. The discussion "broadened" in the sense that suggestions were brought how the amazon links should be displayed, depending if a ASIN is official or a seller page. My personal opinion is thatusers clicking on the amazon link have to decide if they want to buy from a seller, or not. This is not a feature I'd like to invest time into, when there's much other stuff to be done. I'm not dimissing it, I just say it could be added as a RFE to the bug tracker. This has nothing to do with the removal of the paragraph which is just _not_ correct. Therefore, I issue the request for vetoes now to remove the line from the page which reads "Do not add ASINs to releases that have no image by Amazon" as well as the "Which ASINs are OK, which are not?" section. -- Keschte (g0llum) > First request a comment, let the discussion broaden and die down. > Then formulate your sollution and request a veto. > >DonRedman ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Release imports
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 02:01:34AM +0200, Schika wrote: > I wouldn't trust the info given from the Amazon shops. I've founded so > much crap they entered in their system. And the worst of all i that so > much people believe it and use this info as proof for their mods. Agreed, in most cases. It does depend on which shop you use, amazon.co.jp is *much* more reliable for release dates than amazon.com, for example. > If I can't find anything besides Amazon then I add a info into the album > annotation, that the release date was taken from Amazon and needs to be > proofed. Personally I just add a mod note saying the date came from Amazon, so that if someone wants to change it in the future they know where it came from and can use their own judgement on whether their source of release date is better or worse than Amazon. --Nikki ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] ArtistAlias and PerformanceNameStyle conflict / Whatmakes an Alias?
The problem here is to define what you mean when you say "grouping single artist". This thread started because objection was made to the inclusion of Tyrannosaurus Rex (who issued four albums under that name, and whose re-issues have all been under that name) and T Rex, who evolved out of the remains of the original Tyrannosaurus Rex. Using the logic proposed by the originator of this thread, all albums should be under T. Rex. Would you also do the same to Jefferson Airplane, Jefferson Starship and Starship, all of whom have separate and distinct entries in the mb database. Jefferson Airplane was formed in 1965 and released albums under that name until 1974. Founder member Marty Balin and others left the line up and the band changed it's musical direction re-naming itself Jefferson Starship. Fast forward to 1984 when Paul Kantner, the last remaining founder member left the band. He took legal action regarding the name and won, and the band was thereafter known as Starship. Is it the original objector's contention that all these albums should, for ease of finding them, be grouped under Jefferson Airplane. Before getting into the realms of semantics, I really think we ought to define what we mean by a group. Do we enter all incarnations of a group, or do we consider them as one entity, notwithstanding their change of name, line ups and musical direction. Joan - Original Message - From: "Don Redman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "MusicBrainz style discussion" Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [mb-style] ArtistAlias and PerformanceNameStyle conflict / Whatmakes an Alias? On Thu, 25 May 2006 17:29:17 +0200, Cristov Russell wrote: Errr I'm not sure if MP3 software really matters. None of what I'm talking about impacts tagging without TaggerScript. Yes, it does matter. Using ARs instead of the ArtistAlias might not change the schema of the database, but is a change in semantics. What Chris pointed out is that many MP3 players (and the tagger, too BTW) implicitly rely upon these semantics of "one artist to group them all". Indeed MB provides an important _service_ to these apps by providing such an artist. Whatever more flexible system you propose, IMO it should still provide this service of a grouping single artist. DonRedman -- Words that are written in CamelCase refer to WikiPages: Visit http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ the best MusicBrainz documentation around! :-) ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Release imports
On 5/29/06, derGraph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi.While searching for some official proof and a release date of an album,I've noticed that the German amazon site (which I could read) listedanother release date than the Japanese site (where I could not read the track list).Now this raises an interesting question: is the date when a release wasfirst made available through an import service an ReleaseEvent? Shouldit be added to the release dates?-- derGraph___Musicbrainz-style mailing listMusicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-styleI wouldn't trust the info given from the Amazon shops. I've founded so much crap they entered in their system. And the worst of all i that so much people believe it and use this info as proof for their mods. The only nice thing about Amazon is the album artworks you can get - nothing more. If you search for release dates take a look at the label / distributor or artist website. That's what i do in the most cases. If I can't find anything besides Amazon then I add a info into the album annotation, that the release date was taken from Amazon and needs to be proofed. Just my 2 cents about this.-- .: NOP AND NIL :..: Schika :. ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Release imports
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 01:25:09AM +0200, derGraph wrote: > However, the page suggest it's an official import. Er, what exactly is an official import? --Nikki ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Release imports
Aaron Cooper wrote: I'm not sure if I totally understood the question, but I think you asked if both sites list the same album (according to ASIN) with different release dates and neither is an Import, should both dates be used as release dates for the album. Is that right? Yes, sort of. The problem is that the release was imported. However, the page suggest it's an official import. See http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0I2VK for details, especially the 'label' section. -- derGraph ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Questions about 'quotation marks' and %-sign
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 12:27:42AM +0200, Don Redman wrote: > >At least that's what I experienced. I have used the reports in my early > >MB days, but it seems they've become pretty useless. > > Then, maybe they should be removed? Several of them could simply be updated to catch issues we have now. --Nikki ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Release imports
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 12:17:27AM +0200, derGraph wrote: > Now this raises an interesting question: is the date when a release was > first made available through an import service an ReleaseEvent? Should > it be added to the release dates? I don't think so. It's not a release date, it's just the date it became available in a particular shop. --Nikki ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Release imports
I'm not sure if I totally understood the question, but I think you asked if both sites list the same album (according to ASIN) with different release dates and neither is an Import, should both dates be used as release dates for the album. Is that right? I have been doing that, so I sure hope so! :) -Aaron (cooperaa) On 5/28/06, derGraph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi. While searching for some official proof and a release date of an album, I've noticed that the German amazon site (which I could read) listed another release date than the Japanese site (where I could not read the track list). Now this raises an interesting question: is the date when a release was first made available through an import service an ReleaseEvent? Should it be added to the release dates? -- derGraph ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style -- -Aaron ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Latin guidelines RFC
On Sun, 28 May 2006 23:34:22 +0200, Bogdan Butnaru wrote: What do we do now? Vote and pick the most popular? Appeal to a higher power? RFV or something? I'm not sure how to continue with this... Summarize your sollution (no need to be too detailed here, the thread was simple and just recently ended), and issue an RFV. DonRedman -- Words that are written in CamelCase refer to WikiPages: Visit http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ the best MusicBrainz documentation around! :-) ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Localisation of SubTitleStyle: space before colon
On Mon, 29 May 2006 00:02:40 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
2006/5/28, Simon Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
> 2006/5/28, Simon Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I came across this tracklisting which has both grouping titles and
>> named parts: http://www.apreslachute.com/paroleslc.htm
>> Tracks with grouping titles use SubTitleStyle and thus (excluding the
>> named parts) you get "Triae Ademptionis Pilae: Crux Via" for track 2
>> for example. Though this is French and in French there has to be a
>> space before the colon. So I did it like that:
>> http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=519922 (btw: please
>> check French capitalisation ;).
...
Actually, I'd say don't put a space. IMO the colon here is an internal
MB code with a MB signification. The colon in the lyrics page is
probably not part of the title, so should not be considered as Artist
Intent.
Hmm, on the one hand, this makes sense. The MusicBrainz symbol for sub
titles is ": ". So, if you want to symbolise subtitles, use this.
On the other hand, MusicBrainz is pretty anglocentric, and IMO too much
so. It is a fact that in French colons are preceded by a space (a
non-breaking-space to be very precise). Should MB localise its style
symbols? What about Japanese?
I'd say: Do not localise the symbols like ": " " / " and "("...")". They
have special meaning and should be kept identical all over the database.
If, however, a colon would be part of the title, then it should have a
space before, if it was french.
DonRedman
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Re: [mb-style] Questions about 'quotation marks' and %-sign
On Mon, 29 May 2006 00:11:35 +0200, derGraph wrote: Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2006/5/28, Nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Designing is not a problem, we have hundreds of people willing to tell us how we should be doing things. ;) Actually getting someone to code these features, however, is. Hmm, a few little more replies like this one and you are going to enlist me as a coder ;-) Frederic, we really really need someone doing this... }:-> (is that what you aseked for ;-) ) I suspect that there was once a time when we had a lot of tracks where these characters were wrong, the report was used and the correct ones are all that are left, At least that's what I experienced. I have used the reports in my early MB days, but it seems they've become pretty useless. Then, maybe they should be removed? DonRedman -- Words that are written in CamelCase refer to WikiPages: Visit http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ the best MusicBrainz documentation around! :-) ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFV: Amazon Relationship Type
On Sat, 27 May 2006 22:01:40 +0200, Stefan Kestenholz wrote: Hi, It seems we have encountered another issue with unwritten rules in a relationship type. Imho, it is strange that links to existing, and valid amazon pages which list information about a release (even if it might have been created by a seller, not amazon itself) not be allowed to link to. Theres the implication that customer images do not show in the musicbrainz release page, but its still there once one clicks on the amazon link. So, i'd like to request comments (or vetoes) to a possible removal of the paragraph from the amazon relationship page which disallows to add links to this kind of custom ASINs. Just a quick note about the process: You cannot request a veto before having requested comments first. Thererfore this RFV is invlaid for technical reasons. The logic behind this is this: When first pointing out an issue (and maybe presenting _one_ sollution), the replies usually are opening up the scope of the case (as they were in this case). Opening up means that different ways of looking at the problem and different sollutions are introduced. A veto is just a simple yes or no. Therefore if you request a veto too soon, you prevent this opening of scope. The -- now more or less traditional -- process of the Style Council uses two stages: First request a comment, let the discussion broaden and die down. Then formulate your sollution and request a veto. DonRedman -- Words that are written in CamelCase refer to WikiPages: Visit http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ the best MusicBrainz documentation around! :-) ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
[mb-style] Release imports
Hi. While searching for some official proof and a release date of an album, I've noticed that the German amazon site (which I could read) listed another release date than the Japanese site (where I could not read the track list). Now this raises an interesting question: is the date when a release was first made available through an import service an ReleaseEvent? Should it be added to the release dates? -- derGraph ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Questions about 'quotation marks' and %-sign
Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2006/5/28, Nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Designing is not a problem, we have hundreds of people willing to tell us how we should be doing things. ;) Actually getting someone to code these features, however, is. Hmm, a few little more replies like this one and you are going to enlist me as a coder ;-) I would, but ... it's PERL! ;-P I suspect that there was once a time when we had a lot of tracks where these characters were wrong, the report was used and the correct ones are all that are left, At least that's what I experienced. I have used the reports in my early MB days, but it seems they've become pretty useless. -- derGraph ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Localisation of SubTitleStyle: space before colon
2006/5/28, Simon Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > 2006/5/28, Simon Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Hi, >> >> I came across this tracklisting which has both grouping titles and >> named parts: http://www.apreslachute.com/paroleslc.htm >> Tracks with grouping titles use SubTitleStyle and thus (excluding the >> named parts) you get "Triae Ademptionis Pilae: Crux Via" for track 2 >> for example. Though this is French and in French there has to be a >> space before the colon. So I did it like that: >> http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=519922 (btw: please >> check French capitalisation ;). > > Well, actually, this would be Latin. *sigh* Ok! But there are French titles like this. Please think abstract, this was just to show what I mean. ;) I know. Just couldn't resist the joke :-) Actually, I'd say don't put a space. IMO the colon here is an internal MB code with a MB signification. The colon in the lyrics page is probably not part of the title, so should not be considered as Artist Intent. If it did, I would almost have suggested putting two colons, one from the title (preceded with a space) and one for MB. No, just joking again :-) -- Frederic Da Vitoria ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Localisation of SubTitleStyle: space before colon
Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2006/5/28, Simon Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi, I came across this tracklisting which has both grouping titles and named parts: http://www.apreslachute.com/paroleslc.htm Tracks with grouping titles use SubTitleStyle and thus (excluding the named parts) you get "Triae Ademptionis Pilae: Crux Via" for track 2 for example. Though this is French and in French there has to be a space before the colon. So I did it like that: http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=519922 (btw: please check French capitalisation ;). Well, actually, this would be Latin. *sigh* Ok! But there are French titles like this. Please think abstract, this was just to show what I mean. ;) ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] ArtistAlias and PerformanceNameStyle conflict / What makes an Alias?
On Thu, 25 May 2006 17:29:17 +0200, Cristov Russell wrote: Errr I'm not sure if MP3 software really matters. None of what I'm talking about impacts tagging without TaggerScript. Yes, it does matter. Using ARs instead of the ArtistAlias might not change the schema of the database, but is a change in semantics. What Chris pointed out is that many MP3 players (and the tagger, too BTW) implicitly rely upon these semantics of "one artist to group them all". Indeed MB provides an important _service_ to these apps by providing such an artist. Whatever more flexible system you propose, IMO it should still provide this service of a grouping single artist. DonRedman -- Words that are written in CamelCase refer to WikiPages: Visit http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ the best MusicBrainz documentation around! :-) ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Localisation of SubTitleStyle: space before colon
2006/5/28, Simon Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi, I came across this tracklisting which has both grouping titles and named parts: http://www.apreslachute.com/paroleslc.htm Tracks with grouping titles use SubTitleStyle and thus (excluding the named parts) you get "Triae Ademptionis Pilae: Crux Via" for track 2 for example. Though this is French and in French there has to be a space before the colon. So I did it like that: http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=519922 (btw: please check French capitalisation ;). Well, actually, this would be Latin. The same applies for release titles of course, I had seen a French release with a sub title which was written with " : " too. So my questions: Do you agree applying French language rules here? Should http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SubTitleStyle mention this? There are no punctuation signs in Latin... No just kidding :-D -- Frederic Da Vitoria ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
[mb-style] Localisation of SubTitleStyle: space before colon
Hi, I came across this tracklisting which has both grouping titles and named parts: http://www.apreslachute.com/paroleslc.htm Tracks with grouping titles use SubTitleStyle and thus (excluding the named parts) you get "Triae Ademptionis Pilae: Crux Via" for track 2 for example. Though this is French and in French there has to be a space before the colon. So I did it like that: http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=519922 (btw: please check French capitalisation ;). The same applies for release titles of course, I had seen a French release with a sub title which was written with " : " too. So my questions: Do you agree applying French language rules here? Should http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SubTitleStyle mention this? Greets, Simon ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Questions about 'quotation marks' and %-sign
2006/5/28, Nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 06:39:57PM +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > The problem is correct suspect tracks will stay in the list. Couldn't we > design a system to remove them from the list once they are checked? Designing is not a problem, we have hundreds of people willing to tell us how we should be doing things. ;) Actually getting someone to code these features, however, is. Hmm, a few little more replies like this one and you are going to enlist me as a coder ;-) I suspect that there was once a time when we had a lot of tracks where these characters were wrong, the report was used and the correct ones are all that are left, e.g. the wrong character set report was what got me editing a lot in the first place, now there's nothing left that's the wrong character set, just a bunch of tracks with nothing but punctuation in their names. Ok. -- Frederic Da Vitoria ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Latin guidelines RFC
OK :) I vote for the Italian system (the one in the wiki page, meaning sentence case), since it was, until recently, our "lex", though not in real use. Also, it fits better with my view of Latin. What do we do now? Vote and pick the most popular? Appeal to a higher power? RFV or something? I'm not sure how to continue with this... -- Bogdan Butnaru — [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I think I am a fallen star, I should wish on myself." – O. On 5/28/06, derGraph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bogdan Butnaru wrote: > Returning to the Latin guidelines: can your friend give us any > reference for those rules, perhaps something I can cite in the wiki? No. It seems like it was an unwritten rule. Or as that friend of mine said: it was usus, not lex. Sorry. -- derGraph ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Latin guidelines RFC
azertus wrote: In any case, as I said, *real* titling rules are very rare and and generally if you can find one, they aren't really set in stone. Right. I for example learnt somewhat different title capitalization rules back in school. That somewhat slowed my integration into the MB community, but finally I realized that there is more than one truth. This seems to be true for Latin as well. Therefore, we would have to choose. I for one would at the moment favour the capitalization I brought up, but I'll have to read the other ones again before I make a definite decision. -- derGraph ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Latin guidelines RFC
Bogdan Butnaru wrote: Returning to the Latin guidelines: can your friend give us any reference for those rules, perhaps something I can cite in the wiki? No. It seems like it was an unwritten rule. Or as that friend of mine said: it was usus, not lex. Sorry. -- derGraph ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Questions about 'quotation marks' and %-sign
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 06:39:57PM +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > The problem is correct suspect tracks will stay in the list. Couldn't we > design a system to remove them from the list once they are checked? Designing is not a problem, we have hundreds of people willing to tell us how we should be doing things. ;) Actually getting someone to code these features, however, is. I suspect that there was once a time when we had a lot of tracks where these characters were wrong, the report was used and the correct ones are all that are left, e.g. the wrong character set report was what got me editing a lot in the first place, now there's nothing left that's the wrong character set, just a bunch of tracks with nothing but punctuation in their names. --Nikki ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Questions about 'quotation marks' and %-sign
2006/5/28, Steve Wyles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Sun, 28 May 2006, InvisibleMan78 wrote: > I would like to help to edit the 'questionable tracks' suggested on " > http://musicbrainz.org/reports/generated/SuspectTrackCharacters/"; Just because the reports shows them as questionable, doesn't mean they actually are. > > But I can't find any information about handling the 'quotation marks' like > in > - Take the "A" Train > - "Gitano" de Lucia > - Christmas Oratorio BWV 248 (Aria "Schlafe, Mein Liebster") Those depend on a mixture of artist intent and style. > > > And what's about the "-sign for the disc-size-info like > - Be as One (12" club mix) > - Magnificent Seventies (7" version) Those are fine - http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/MiscellaneousGuideline > > Another special character is the @ or %: > - 60% International > - Emjay - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000 > - Upstairs @ Kil's mix > What is wrong with this characters? How should I replace it? > There is nothing wrong with them either. As I said above, just because they are on the report doesn't mean they are wrong. Each track needs dealing with individually according to artist intent and style. Steve (inhouseuk) The problem is correct suspect tracks will stay in the list. Couldn't we design a system to remove them from the list once they are checked? -- Frederic Da Vitoria ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFV: Amazon Relationship Type
This is why I suggest two link types: because the cover art link is useful, but it's usefulness shouldn't forbid from adding other links to Amazon. If an album has a cover art link to Amazon and another user wants to add another link to Amazon, I think he should be able to (well if the new link brings something interesting to MB such as royalties, or maybe some info that was not on the "official" link). And at the same time, the cover art link is useful to us even if Amazon doesn't actually currently sell the album. The only way I see to allow both kinds of functions (the visual function and the commercial function) is to separate them. 2006/5/28, Beth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I see where you're coming from. Though I think that can be stated in the wikidocs that already cover it. I mean, it's understandable if someone is adding an amazon link that has the "wrong" cover, because they don't know. But, if someone does know and wants to change it for that reason, that makes a world of good sense in my opinion. I just don't want linking for image sake alone. Nyght aka Beth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederic Da Vitoria Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 4:49 AM To: MusicBrainz style discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] RFV: Amazon Relationship Type 2006/5/28, Beth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yeah, I was going to say as I've read their seller agreement, they don't > seem to differentiate. And, I am definitely for adding links without cover > art, or seller created pages. > > I somewhat disagree with having "other commercial links" and just "artwork" > links however. But, I would like to look into potential other purchaser > agreements with other companies (besides just amazon.) Hmm. What if both a valid-artwork and an invalid-artwork link are entered. Would the valid-artwork link be used to show the picture? If not, I think we miss something. Having the cover is relevant IMO, not just a cosmetic feature. So if MB is able to choose automatically between conflicting links, OK. If not, I suggest we address this problem before changing the rules. > > Of course, I'd rather have a general ya interested, or no, too much coding > involved before I go digging for other great partnerships. :) > > Nyght aka Beth > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod > Begbie > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 8:58 PM > To: MusicBrainz style discussion > Subject: Re: [mb-style] RFV: Amazon Relationship Type > > On 5/27/06, Steve Wyles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not certain commission is earned on amazon reseller sales. This needs > > to be confirmed. > > I can confirm that Amazon give the exact same percentage commission > for "third-party" sales. > > Rod. > > -- > :: Rod Begbie :: http://groovymother.com/ :: > > > ___ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > -- Frederic Da Vitoria ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style -- Frederic Da Vitoria ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Questions about 'quotation marks' and %-sign
On Sun, 28 May 2006, InvisibleMan78 wrote: I would like to help to edit the 'questionable tracks' suggested on " http://musicbrainz.org/reports/generated/SuspectTrackCharacters/"; Just because the reports shows them as questionable, doesn't mean they actually are. But I can't find any information about handling the 'quotation marks' like in - Take the "A" Train - "Gitano" de Lucia - Christmas Oratorio BWV 248 (Aria "Schlafe, Mein Liebster") Those depend on a mixture of artist intent and style. And what's about the "-sign for the disc-size-info like - Be as One (12" club mix) - Magnificent Seventies (7" version) Those are fine - http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/MiscellaneousGuideline Another special character is the @ or %: - 60% International - Emjay - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000 - Upstairs @ Kil's mix What is wrong with this characters? How should I replace it? There is nothing wrong with them either. As I said above, just because they are on the report doesn't mean they are wrong. Each track needs dealing with individually according to artist intent and style. Steve (inhouseuk) ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
[mb-style] Questions about 'quotation marks' and %-sign
I would like to help to edit the 'questionable tracks' suggested on "http://musicbrainz.org/reports/generated/SuspectTrackCharacters/ " But I can't find any information about handling the 'quotation marks' like in - Take the "A" Train - "Gitano" de Lucia - Christmas Oratorio BWV 248 (Aria "Schlafe, Mein Liebster") And what's about the "-sign for the disc-size-info like - Be as One (12" club mix) - Magnificent Seventies (7" version) Another special character is the @ or %: - 60% International - Emjay - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000 - Upstairs @ Kil's mix What is wrong with this characters? How should I replace it? Thanks for help! ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
RE: [mb-style] RFV: Amazon Relationship Type
I see where you're coming from. Though I think that can be stated in the wikidocs that already cover it. I mean, it's understandable if someone is adding an amazon link that has the "wrong" cover, because they don't know. But, if someone does know and wants to change it for that reason, that makes a world of good sense in my opinion. I just don't want linking for image sake alone. Nyght aka Beth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederic Da Vitoria Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 4:49 AM To: MusicBrainz style discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] RFV: Amazon Relationship Type 2006/5/28, Beth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yeah, I was going to say as I've read their seller agreement, they don't > seem to differentiate. And, I am definitely for adding links without cover > art, or seller created pages. > > I somewhat disagree with having "other commercial links" and just "artwork" > links however. But, I would like to look into potential other purchaser > agreements with other companies (besides just amazon.) Hmm. What if both a valid-artwork and an invalid-artwork link are entered. Would the valid-artwork link be used to show the picture? If not, I think we miss something. Having the cover is relevant IMO, not just a cosmetic feature. So if MB is able to choose automatically between conflicting links, OK. If not, I suggest we address this problem before changing the rules. > > Of course, I'd rather have a general ya interested, or no, too much coding > involved before I go digging for other great partnerships. :) > > Nyght aka Beth > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod > Begbie > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 8:58 PM > To: MusicBrainz style discussion > Subject: Re: [mb-style] RFV: Amazon Relationship Type > > On 5/27/06, Steve Wyles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not certain commission is earned on amazon reseller sales. This needs > > to be confirmed. > > I can confirm that Amazon give the exact same percentage commission > for "third-party" sales. > > Rod. > > -- > :: Rod Begbie :: http://groovymother.com/ :: > > > ___ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > -- Frederic Da Vitoria ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFV: Amazon Relationship Type
2006/5/28, Beth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Yeah, I was going to say as I've read their seller agreement, they don't seem to differentiate. And, I am definitely for adding links without cover art, or seller created pages. I somewhat disagree with having "other commercial links" and just "artwork" links however. But, I would like to look into potential other purchaser agreements with other companies (besides just amazon.) Hmm. What if both a valid-artwork and an invalid-artwork link are entered. Would the valid-artwork link be used to show the picture? If not, I think we miss something. Having the cover is relevant IMO, not just a cosmetic feature. So if MB is able to choose automatically between conflicting links, OK. If not, I suggest we address this problem before changing the rules. Of course, I'd rather have a general ya interested, or no, too much coding involved before I go digging for other great partnerships. :) Nyght aka Beth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Begbie Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 8:58 PM To: MusicBrainz style discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] RFV: Amazon Relationship Type On 5/27/06, Steve Wyles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not certain commission is earned on amazon reseller sales. This needs > to be confirmed. I can confirm that Amazon give the exact same percentage commission for "third-party" sales. Rod. -- :: Rod Begbie :: http://groovymother.com/ :: ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style -- Frederic Da Vitoria ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
