Re: [mb-style] Decision and clarification of "imdb" format
teleGUISE wrote: This should be pretty simple and straight forward can we get this decided upon. "Style Council" ? Decided? Is there something to decide? IMDb says "Yes, link to us as much as you want, but please use this link schema". I don't think that we have anything to decide there. -- derGraph ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] Decision and clarification of "imdb" format
teleGUISE wrote: This should be pretty simple and straight forward can we get this decided upon. "Style Council" ? Decided? Is there something to decide? IMDb says "Yes, link to us as much as you want, but please use this link schema". I don't think that we have anything to decide there. -- derGraph ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFV: Latin style guidelines
Don Redman wrote: Someone (I forgot who) proposed that the above guideline should be applied, if a) text is in all caps or all lowercase, b) text is capitalized inconsistently throughout a series, artist or even release. I would add that the guideline is a recomendation in all other cases. Two questions to the community: 1: Does anybody have a veto agains the general choice of capitalization (disregarding the strictness)? Oh, please not! ;-) 2: How strict should the guideline be? The least strict as possible! Bogdan's and my compromise above in my opinion seems to be the best possible approach. And I would not even recommend using sentence case. I think that the discussion showed pretty clear that there are different styles, all equally valid, and if an artist uses one style consistently, we should respect it. And a recommendation to use sentence case would be the opposite thereof. After all, with the discussion being stuck so deeply, I didn't see any possible compromise but to use grammatical or sentence case as rarely as possible, i.e. only if we have no other capitalization to use. And that's why I had a look at quite some Latin song titles, discarding those examples which could be either case mode, and came to the conclusion that most releases have a correct capitalization printed on the cover on Latin titles (even if English, German or French titles on the same release have incorrect capitalization). So in fact I would rather discourage using sentence case mode but to use the artist's capitalization. Sure, this makes such edits somewhat more complicated, but I believe that everyone needs to know exactly what he does. If the Latin style guideline says (between the lines or straightforward) "Don't touch Latin titles unless you're dead sure!", then I'm completely satisfied and even support it. -- derGraph ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
[mb-style] Decision and clarification of "imdb" format
Steve Wyles wrote: > The simple answer is to use the format which is recommended by IMDb > themselves :) > http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?howtolink Well, it would appear we are telling people to do it the wrong way :). Making "Dupuy" the culprit on creating this chaos as being the original page creator and one whom decided to make it part of the guide ;). Both need to be corrected if the case: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/IMDbRelationshipType http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/IMDbRelationshipStyle Also is this 'proposed' or 'official'? This should be pretty simple and straight forward can we get this decided upon. "Style Council" ? ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] How the Style Council Works (Was: RFV: Adding some AR attributes)
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:26:28 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote: On 11/06/06, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you propose a very minor change, you can skip steps 1 to 3 and request a veto right away. define 'minor' :) personally i think if you are going to skip the RFC stage, the veto period should be longer - just so as many people can see it as possible. 48 hrs is too soon for everyone to see something if it's the first time the issue has been brought up. Yes, you are right. I think the veto period should be 48 hours of silence _after the discussion has ebbed out_. And if the dicussion took longer, then this was a clear sign, that the RFC stage would have been appropriate. DonRedman -- Words that are written in CamelCase refer to WikiPages: Visit http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ the best MusicBrainz documentation around! :-) ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFV: Latin style guidelines
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 00:12:52 +0200, Don Redman wrote: On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:57:31 +0200, derGraph wrote: Robert Kaye wrote: I'm sorry but I simply do not have the background to make a decision on this. Herr Redman, can you please organize a vote? Hmm it seems we have reached consensus here. Both the vote and the discussion seem to say: Use Sentence case but capitalise proper nouns (i.e. names, places, god, etc) The question which remains is how strict should this guideline be. There does not seem to be a clear consensus, but since Latin is a rather obscure case fro style, and since everybody agrees that the context (or host language) does factually influence capitalization, it makes sense to have a relatively loose guideline. Someone (I forgot who) proposed that the above guideline should be applied, if a) text is in all caps or all lowercase, b) text is capitalized inconsistently throughout a series, artist or even release. I would add that the guideline is a recomendation in all other cases. Two questions to the community: 1: Does anybody have a veto agains the general choice of capitalization (disregarding the strictness)? 2: How strict should the guideline be? DonRedman -- Words that are written in CamelCase refer to WikiPages: Visit http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ the best MusicBrainz documentation around! :-) ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
RE: [mb-style] How the Style Council Works (Was: RFV: Adding some ARattributes)
My only concern is, after mailing list, the issues that aren't already covered in the wiki seem to drop through the cracks. I searched for information on additions of DVD, and couldn't find it, there are a few other things that seem to be discussed on the mailing list that never get to the wiki. (world wide release) for another instance. These are the two I've noted. When and who writes it up, or changes the wiki to be up to date with the mailing list decisions. (I personally feel it should be the original submitter) Nyght aka Beth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Kaye Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:42 PM To: MusicBrainz style discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] How the Style Council Works (Was: RFV: Adding some ARattributes) On Jun 11, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Don Redman wrote: > Question to the Style Council (i.e. everybody involved in mb-style): > > Do you feel that this process is too formalized or too complicated? I think we're finally hitting some sweet spot between too formalized and utter chaos. I'm happy. > Is it impossible to actually use, because people forget the topics > once the discussions have ebbed out? The list archives don't forget -- I think letting a discussion die down before reformulating makes a lot of sense to me. In a lot of cases a cool-down period can be very useful for letting people's emotions cool down. -- --ruaok Somewhere in Texas a village is *still* missing its idiot. Robert Kaye -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --http://mayhem-chaos.net ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] How the Style Council Works (Was: RFV: Adding some AR attributes)
On Jun 11, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Don Redman wrote: Question to the Style Council (i.e. everybody involved in mb-style): Do you feel that this process is too formalized or too complicated? I think we're finally hitting some sweet spot between too formalized and utter chaos. I'm happy. Is it impossible to actually use, because people forget the topics once the discussions have ebbed out? The list archives don't forget -- I think letting a discussion die down before reformulating makes a lot of sense to me. In a lot of cases a cool-down period can be very useful for letting people's emotions cool down. -- --ruaok Somewhere in Texas a village is *still* missing its idiot. Robert Kaye -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --http://mayhem-chaos.net ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] RFV: Latin style guidelines
On 6/12/06, derGraph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bogdan Butnaru wrote:
>> Thinking about this once more, I guess we should make the guideline to
>> leave the capitalization as it is except for the cases where everything
>> is upper- or lowercase. In these cases the moderator should decide which
>> of the styles to use, depending on the artist's overall style.
> I would be tempted to agree, with the amendament of always lowercasing
> (most) closed-class words. That is, we make a list of short
> prepositions and conjunctions (I could do it), which we always
> lowercase; it shouldn't be very long, similar to the one we use for
> English. What do you think?
That's a great idea! After all, the ending of the words may differ, but
if you take only the first syllables of the words in account, this
should be fairly easy.
It's even better: closed-class words (prepositions and conjunctions)
are almost always inflexible (and, by definition, there's a small,
constant number of them), so they can actually be listed and compared
automatically.
> We only need to decide what to do in case of inconsistency between
> releases. The "moderator should decide" guideline seems like
> cheating...
This is true. However (this is pretty hard now, since it sort of
invalidates some of my arguments;-) ) I have had a closer look at all
Latin song titles I knew about, and it seems pretty obvious which style
is preferred. There were one or two which used a simplified (or
incorrect) capitalization, and the rest used "your" style. So in
academic circles there might be almost a tie between the usage of the
two styles, but in music almost everyone seems to carefully apply "your"
capitalization rules.
With this information, I have to vote against my proposal. Since
Sentence Case seems to be what is printed on most covers, we should also
use Sentence Case.
In that case, we may not even need the list of closed-class words.
I'll be traveling a bit the next couple of days, but afterwards I'll
review this entire thread, I'll try to update the proposal as much as
I can, and then we'll probably go through a (hopefully) short RFC
stage again :)
Basically I think we should say something like "Use sentence-case &
capitalize only proper nouns, if you're not sure ask". I'm sure many
song titles can be understood more or less by using Google; most of
those I've seen until now are like that ("Mea culpa", "Sic transit
gloria mundi", "Memento mori"). Anyone careful enough to actually read
the Latin guidelines will probably be willing to do a bit of research.
Anyway, fell free to add any comments and ideas until then, perhaps on
the wiki too.
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Re: [mb-style] Decision and clarification of "imdb" format
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, teleGUISE wrote: There is a need to clarify the "imdb" format once and for all and write the wiki doc to reflect so as well as the JS code to work accordingly. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/IMDbRelationshipType At present the wiki doc says to add "imdb" url's without the preceding "www.", however at present the only way the AR JS code selects the imdb relationship automatically is if it is part of the url. The simple answer is to use the format which is recommended by IMDb themselves :) http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?howtolink Steve ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
