Re: [mb-style] wrong tracklistings
Stefan Kestenholz wrote: that's a good argument to the case that we need to add "japanese version" "special version with bonus tracks" etc. to the release titles ;) ... or for introducing track annotations! ;-) -- derGraph ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] wrong tracklistings
cool! I'd love to help. I know a bit of Java, C#, C++... I've got two ok, none of the languages match perl, which is the one we use, but i did not know perl when i started with MB either. have you subscribed to mb-devel yet? i'm currently about to wrap up a new server release, and we'd like to get a test suite ready for all the basic workflows of the site. i've written a mail recently (to mb-devel) that i've setup a testing environment, but need other people who want to jump in and record/write the workflows. this is something that needs to be done first. i know this is not programming work, but anyone interested to get a bit more hands-on with the server will get a good idea how it ticks that way. regards, Stefan some interesting bits about MB-development: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Development On 5/30/06, Aaron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: other comp. eng. roomates who I can bug for help, too. :) I'm probably not the best person for the job, but I'm throwing myself out there just incase. -Aaron (cooperaa) On 5/30/06, Stefan Kestenholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that's a good argument to the case that we need to add "japanese > version" "special version with bonus tracks" etc. to the release > titles ;) > no honestly: annotations already are used for much more things that > they were intended for (i guess), but the core tables lack certain > fields which would be useful to have, generally speaking. since the > information is removed from the titles per styleguide, and lots of > annotations are bloated, there's no way they will be displayed in a > normal listing. an addition field (something like the artist > disambiguation) would be a better solution... > ... volounteers? coders? :-) > > > We could add a note to the artist annotation, too, but even that's not > > visible all the time. > > > > For example, if the user searches for the track "Some Title" which is > > track 5 on his cover, he may not check the annotations if the search > > returns "Some Title" as track 4, especially with a different title. > > ___ > Musicbrainz-style mailing list > Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > -- -Aaron ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] wrong tracklistings
I'd love to help. I know a bit of Java, C#, C++... I've got two other comp. eng. roomates who I can bug for help, too. :) I'm probably not the best person for the job, but I'm throwing myself out there just incase. -Aaron (cooperaa) On 5/30/06, Stefan Kestenholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: that's a good argument to the case that we need to add "japanese version" "special version with bonus tracks" etc. to the release titles ;) no honestly: annotations already are used for much more things that they were intended for (i guess), but the core tables lack certain fields which would be useful to have, generally speaking. since the information is removed from the titles per styleguide, and lots of annotations are bloated, there's no way they will be displayed in a normal listing. an addition field (something like the artist disambiguation) would be a better solution... ... volounteers? coders? :-) > We could add a note to the artist annotation, too, but even that's not > visible all the time. > > For example, if the user searches for the track "Some Title" which is > track 5 on his cover, he may not check the annotations if the search > returns "Some Title" as track 4, especially with a different title. ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style -- -Aaron ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] wrong tracklistings
that's a good argument to the case that we need to add "japanese version" "special version with bonus tracks" etc. to the release titles ;) no honestly: annotations already are used for much more things that they were intended for (i guess), but the core tables lack certain fields which would be useful to have, generally speaking. since the information is removed from the titles per styleguide, and lots of annotations are bloated, there's no way they will be displayed in a normal listing. an addition field (something like the artist disambiguation) would be a better solution... ... volounteers? coders? :-) We could add a note to the artist annotation, too, but even that's not visible all the time. For example, if the user searches for the track "Some Title" which is track 5 on his cover, he may not check the annotations if the search returns "Some Title" as track 4, especially with a different title. ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] wrong tracklistings
On 30/05/06, Bogdan Butnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/30/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 30/05/06, Bogdan Butnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] the annotations are visible only on the extended album view. > not sure what you mean about extended album view? I mean you need to actually click on the album; in the artist page (with the albums toggled open) or the relationships page the annotation is not shown (which is not really wrong, since lots of other things go into annotation that are not supposed to be shown all the time). oh right, i never use this feature :) hmm, not sure how to handle that. We could add a note to the artist annotation, too, but even that's not visible all the time. plus with artists with many albums it would get huuge to the point it wouldn't really be useful. ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] wrong tracklistings
On 5/30/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 30/05/06, Bogdan Butnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] the annotations are visible only on the extended album view. not sure what you mean about extended album view? I mean you need to actually click on the album; in the artist page (with the albums toggled open) or the relationships page the annotation is not shown (which is not really wrong, since lots of other things go into annotation that are not supposed to be shown all the time). We could add a note to the artist annotation, too, but even that's not visible all the time. For example, if the user searches for the track "Some Title" which is track 5 on his cover, he may not check the annotations if the search returns "Some Title" as track 4, especially with a different title. -- Bogdan Butnaru — [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I think I am a fallen star, I should wish on myself." – O. ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] wrong tracklistings
On 30/05/06, Bogdan Butnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What do we do with mods like http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4909762 (other links in notes there). It's a bootleg with an (apparently) notoriously confused tracklisting. My instinct would be to fix the tracklisting and add an annotation; however, this may make the album a bit harder to find and a bit confusing: the annotations are visible only on the extended album view. not sure what you mean about extended album view? however yeah your instinct is correct IMO - with bootlegs (and indeed all tracklistings) we should represent the facts, and note the mistakes in the annotations. we are in the fortunate position of being able to edit our data and CD pressing factories aren't so fortunate :) Also, I'd have to either trust the links or find the album to check the titles. depends on the links :) eg i correct a lot of nirvana bootlegs and http://www.livenirvana.com/digitalnirvana/bootography/ is pretty cast iron for track mistakes et al. that sepultura one looks ok, but i wouldn't really know... ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
Re: [mb-style] wrong tracklistings
On 5/30/06, Bogdan Butnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the annotations are visible only on the extended albumview. That's odd and now I see why a lot of unneeded mods are comming up again and again. This should be changed. -- .: NOP AND NIL :..: Schika :. ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
[mb-style] wrong tracklistings
What do we do with mods like http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4909762 (other links in notes there). It's a bootleg with an (apparently) notoriously confused tracklisting. My instinct would be to fix the tracklisting and add an annotation; however, this may make the album a bit harder to find and a bit confusing: the annotations are visible only on the extended album view. Also, I'd have to either trust the links or find the album to check the titles. -- Bogdan Butnaru — [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I think I am a fallen star, I should wish on myself." – O. ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
