Re: Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?

2002-04-11 Thread John P Verel

> Try formail; I think it can add missing From lines.
> 
> (darren)
> 

The Outlook file is formatted with the first line as, for example:

From:   John Q. Hacker

If I execute formail -ds >new_mailbox, as per man formail,
the new_mailbox has a first line of:

>From John

but stops there, not processing any other messages.  As this is my first
this is my first go with formail, I'm surely missing something.  Any
guidance will be appreciated.

Thanks.

-- 
John P. Verel
Living Proof That Low Tech Beats High Tech!



Re: HTML Mail

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Chad --

First, I should note that the proper address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
rather than @gbnet.  While mutt.org is hosted at gbnet and the address
sometimes slips out, many here will only properly notice the message if
it goes to the real address.

...and then skidley said...
% 
...
% With lynx -force_html i get a full readable page, with links %s i get a
% page more understandable than the default view but still with alot of
% html code included. Would you or anyone know a similar option for links,
% i cant seem to find one.

Have you tried template to get the name to end in .html or such?  I
haven't played with it, but I'm sure it's in the archives, and maybe even
for links.


% -- 
% "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes
% hurtling down the highway."  -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum

Ha.  That's a relly good one.  I can see it now, and I'm already thinking
about the comparison!  I wonder if he knows from experience... :-)


% 
% Chad Young - Registered Linux User #195191 @ http://counter.li.org
% ---
% Linux localhost 2.4.19-pre5-ac3 #1 Sat Apr 6 00:30:47 AST 2002 i686 GenuineIntel
%   6:35pm  up   0:10,  2 users,  load average: 0.15, 0.07, 0.04


HTH & HAND

:-D
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(play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
(work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Kai --

...and then Kai Weber said...
% 
% + Dan Sully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
% 
% > >   mailboxes `find Mail -type f`
% > 
% > If you are using procmail - this script might be useful.
% > 
% > #!/usr/bin/perl -w
% > [...]
% 
% Nice idea and sure helps a lot. But in my .procmailrc nearly no folder
% name is used. Most of the stuff is done by $MATCH.

Yeah, I wondered how some of the more procmail-aware people would deal
with that.


% 
% But a script for doing "subscribe" and "list" informations for .muttrc
% would be nice.
...
%   folder-hook regexp source "settings_file_according_to_match"
% 
% The line above should be the only folder-hook line that does it all. It
% is impossible, as far as I see. The $match cannot be used in a script I
% guess?!)

No, but your entire muttrc could be

  source "/some/cool/script|"

and you could have that cool script look thru your procmail file(s) and
define your hooks, including a default hook, as well as do everything
else...


% 
% Kai.


HTH & HAND

:-D
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(play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
(work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: tricky limiting

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Jeremy, et al --

...and then Jeremy Blosser said...
% 
% On Apr 11, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
% > 
% > Aha!  I didn't realize that tagging would go beyond limits.  It's manual,
% > but it will work.
% 
% Tagging won't necessarily go beyond limits, it's <*-thread> commands that

A...  I get it.


% go beyond limits.  Because of this "feature" you could just limit to
% messages with your message ids in the references header and then

That's a possibility.  And since I mark anything I want to keep with an
X-Label: that will make excluding those from a deletion easy...  Hey, I
just might get this thing cleaned out :-)

Hey, does anyone have a diffmail so I can see what changes in my test
mailbox? :-)


% delete-thread on those messages.
% 
% I don't like that this works, but in your case it appears to be useful.

Yeah, same here on both counts.  It's somehow wrong, but I'll use it to
my advantage :-)


:-D
-- 
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Re: tricky limiting

2002-04-11 Thread Jeremy Blosser

On Apr 11, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> ...and then Bruno Postle said...
> % Go to the first message and press ttt etc.. until you've
> % tagged all the threads.  Then limit to show all tagged messages:
> 
> Aha!  I didn't realize that tagging would go beyond limits.  It's manual,
> but it will work.

Tagging won't necessarily go beyond limits, it's <*-thread> commands that
go beyond limits.  Because of this "feature" you could just limit to
messages with your message ids in the references header and then
delete-thread on those messages.

I don't like that this works, but in your case it appears to be useful.



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Re: HTML Mail

2002-04-11 Thread skidley

> > I have this:
> > 
> > [ian@buzz:~]$ cat .mailcap
> > text/html; /usr/bin/links %s
> > 
> > and these in .muttrc
> > set mailcap_path="~/.mailcap"
> > auto_view text/html
> 
> For lynx I have:-
> 
> text/html; lynx -force_html %s; needsterminal;  
> 
> I don't use auto_view or any settings in my muttrc and the mailcap works
> fine, however if you set it explicitly look at use_mailcap
> 
> Could be a permissions issue with mutt being unable to read the mailcap
> file of course.
> 
With lynx -force_html i get a full readable page, with links %s i get a
page more understandable than the default view but still with alot of
html code included. Would you or anyone know a similar option for links,
i cant seem to find one.
-- 
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes
hurtling down the highway."  -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum

Chad Young - Registered Linux User #195191 @ http://counter.li.org
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New version of post mode for emacs

2002-04-11 Thread Rob Reid

Hi,

post has finally reached version 2.0.  Don't let the .0 scare you, it hasn't
been rewritten from scratch or anything like that.

If you haven't used it before, it is an emacs mode that has a lot of features,
both useful and fanciful, for composing email and news messages with external
user agents like mutt and slrn.

Get it here: 

http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/mutt/#emacs

For the initiated:
 * A bug fix!  It no longer deletes forwarded content when you change the
   signature.
 * New feature: it can now get signature quotes from a strfile (i.e. fortune)
   formatted file.  The reason why this is good is given on the web page.

-- 
"Never use while sleeping." - warning with hair dryer, US News & World Report
Robert I. Reid | PGP/GPG Keys: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html



Re: Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)

2002-04-11 Thread Kai Weber

+ Dan Sully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> > mailboxes `find Mail -type f`
> 
> If you are using procmail - this script might be useful.
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> [...]

Nice idea and sure helps a lot. But in my .procmailrc nearly no folder
name is used. Most of the stuff is done by $MATCH.

But a script for doing "subscribe" and "list" informations for .muttrc
would be nice.

(For my own .muttrc which I just reorganize/start again I think of
folder-hooks which load files with settings appending to the current
folder. Let's say I go to the mutt-users folder. The folder-hook sources
a script "mutt-users.rc" with all the settings. The question is: how to
make a default-setting for folders where no "folderxy.rc exist"?

folder-hook regexp source "settings_file_according_to_match"

The line above should be the only folder-hook line that does it all. It
is impossible, as far as I see. The $match cannot be used in a script I
guess?!)

Kai.



Re: Resending a message with Esc-e

2002-04-11 Thread Holger Lillqvist

On Apr 11, Ken Weingold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > IIRC mutt just sets the Fcc as for any "normal" mail.
> 
> So what was fixed in 1.3.28?

Resend-message now honors $record and fcc-hooks.

Holger



Re: Resending a message with Esc-e

2002-04-11 Thread Ken Weingold

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote:
> * Ken Weingold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-11 14:12:05 -0400]:
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote:
> > > * Ken Weingold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-11 05:59:50 -0400]:
> > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002, Johan Almqvist wrote:
> > > > > I have a problem that I don't like. When I use Esc-e to "resend" a message
> > > > > to someone (with edited contents) it doesn't get automatically Fcc'd.
> > > > 
> > > > This is a good question.  I have been wondering this myself.  It has
> > > 
> > > This should be fixed in 1.3.28.
> > 
> > Meaning that resending a message with esc-e will make a new entry in
> > =sent, or whatever your FCC folder is?
> 
> IIRC mutt just sets the Fcc as for any "normal" mail.

So what was fixed in 1.3.28?


-Ken



Re: Resending a message with Esc-e

2002-04-11 Thread Nicolas Rachinsky

* Ken Weingold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-11 14:12:05 -0400]:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote:
> > * Ken Weingold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-11 05:59:50 -0400]:
> > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002, Johan Almqvist wrote:
> > > > I have a problem that I don't like. When I use Esc-e to "resend" a message
> > > > to someone (with edited contents) it doesn't get automatically Fcc'd.
> > > 
> > > This is a good question.  I have been wondering this myself.  It has
> > 
> > This should be fixed in 1.3.28.
> 
> Meaning that resending a message with esc-e will make a new entry in
> =sent, or whatever your FCC folder is?

IIRC mutt just sets the Fcc as for any "normal" mail.

Nicolas



Re: Resending a message with Esc-e

2002-04-11 Thread Ken Weingold

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote:
> * Ken Weingold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-11 05:59:50 -0400]:
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002, Johan Almqvist wrote:
> > > I have a problem that I don't like. When I use Esc-e to "resend" a message
> > > to someone (with edited contents) it doesn't get automatically Fcc'd.
> > > 
> > > Why is that? How to fix?
> > 
> > This is a good question.  I have been wondering this myself.  It has
> 
> This should be fixed in 1.3.28.

Meaning that resending a message with esc-e will make a new entry in
=sent, or whatever your FCC folder is?


-Ken



Re: Resending a message with Esc-e

2002-04-11 Thread Nicolas Rachinsky

* Ken Weingold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-11 05:59:50 -0400]:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002, Johan Almqvist wrote:
> > I have a problem that I don't like. When I use Esc-e to "resend" a message
> > to someone (with edited contents) it doesn't get automatically Fcc'd.
> > 
> > Why is that? How to fix?
> 
> This is a good question.  I have been wondering this myself.  It has

This should be fixed in 1.3.28.

Nicolas



Re: tricky limiting

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Bruno --

...and then Bruno Postle said...
% 
% On Thu 11-Apr-2002 at 11:51:36AM -0500, David T-G wrote:
% > 
% > I keep the original, and then of course get my reply.  Once the thread
...
% > nothing else of value in the thread, then I want to delete it -- but
% > to do that I have to be able to effectively limit my view to those
% > threads.  Do you follow?
% 
% A context-limit ability would be _very_ useful.  You can sort-of get the
% same thing like this:

Yeah.


% 
% Limit to all messages To, Cc or From you:
% 
% l~L 'david t-g'

Hokay...


% 
% Go to the first message and press ttt etc.. until you've
% tagged all the threads.  Then limit to show all tagged messages:

Aha!  I didn't realize that tagging would go beyond limits.  It's manual,
but it will work.

Hmmm...  Can one tag-prefix tag-thread, I wonder?  No, it looks like
not...


% 
% l~T

Right.


% 
% -- 
% Bruno

Thanks a bunch!


:-D
-- 
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(play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
(work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Feature request: uncolor not only in index

2002-04-11 Thread darren chamberlain

* Dan Boger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-11 12:02]:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:54:49AM -0400, darren chamberlain wrote:
> > > That being said, I would really like such an uncolor feature myself.
> > > I receive internal newsletters that I find easier to read if I
> > > highlight the section headings like this:
> > > 
> > > display-hook '~s "blips"' 'push "/\^[A-Z0-9][A-Z0-9 [:punct:]]*$^M"'
> > > 
> > > These highlights disappear, however, whenever I search for something.
> > > Being able to color and uncolor patterns in the pager would be a good
> > > solution.
> > 
> > Where does display-hook come from?  I just built 1.3.28 and use
> > 1.3.22.1 regularly and neither has it.  I'm assuming it comes from a
> > patch, but which one?
> 
> I _think_ it's actually a message-hook?

Yup, got it.  Thanks.

I was interested in the hook displayed above, which is why I was looking
for display-hook in the first place.  I noticed, though, that the above
command jumps to the first occurance of the match, so my version adds a
 after the search.  Here is an example, similar to the above:

  message-hook "~s 'pgp|gpg'" 'push "pgp|gpg"'

This highlights "pgp" and "gpg" in messages with pgp or gpg in the
subject.

Thanks to all who helped.

(darren)

-- 
A theory is not accepted when it's critics are converted,
but when they eventually die.
-- Maxwell Plank



[OT] cc: poster vs reply-only-to-list

2002-04-11 Thread David Champion

* On 2002.04.11, in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
*   "Simon White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 11-Apr-02 at 12:55, Ian Chilton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> > > Sorry, no. Mailing lists are mailing lists.
> > > Participation is expected, not
> > > just one way communication.
> > 
> > Actually, the custom is to reply to the person and CC to the list :-)
> 
> Not on this list, if I take precedents I have seen from other members to
> be the netiquette for this list...

begin 755 soapbox
I haven't noticed this list to be different from any other in this
regard, except that Sven is rabid about this topic and posts to this
list a lot.

The sweeping convention over all I've ever seen is to reply to the list
and to the poster. If the poster doesn't like that, the poster can
use duplicate ID processing, or MFT headers, or whatever to evade the
duplicates -- but in any case, it's not divine manifest never to cc:
the poster.

Moreover, I'm not sure how custom on a particular list means that you
shouldn't cc: a person who asked to be cc:ed. If this were a different
list, you would cc: him upon request?

The reasons for wanting to be copied are several (or many), and are not
limited to "I'm not on the list" -- which would, IMO, be sufficient
reason to comply anyway.

I don't particularly want to harp on it any more than usual, but I had
to take exception to the idea that this list is different from others.

end

-- 
 -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago



Re: tricky limiting

2002-04-11 Thread Bruno Postle

On Thu 11-Apr-2002 at 11:51:36AM -0500, David T-G wrote:
> 
> The specific case is my mutt-users folder.  When I reply to a message
> I keep the original, and then of course get my reply.  Once the thread
> dies I still have the original and my reply, but by now it's two pages
> back in the index.  If the case is closed, so to speak, and there was
> nothing else of value in the thread, then I want to delete it -- but
> to do that I have to be able to effectively limit my view to those
> threads.  Do you follow?

A context-limit ability would be _very_ useful.  You can sort-of get the
same thing like this:

Limit to all messages To, Cc or From you:

l~L 'david t-g'

Go to the first message and press ttt etc.. until you've
tagged all the threads.  Then limit to show all tagged messages:

l~T

-- 
Bruno



Re: gpg sign/verify problems

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Eduardo --

...and then Eduardo Gargiulo said...
% 
% I recently upgrade from 1.2.5i to 1.3.28i (thanks mutt-users).
% Now, when i try to sign a message, i get the following error
% 
% gpg: can't mmap pool of 16384 bytes: Invalid argument - using malloc

Hmmm...


% 
% i see the same message in the verified and not verified signatures. I
% was using gnupg 1.0.6 with previous version of mutt without problems.
% Any hints?

If you can still use gpg from the command line, what were and are your
mutt gpg commands?  If you still have the 1.2 binary, does it still work?


% 
% -- 
% Eduardo Gargiulo
% ejg(at)ar.homelinux.org


HTH & HAND

:-D
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gpg sign/verify problems

2002-04-11 Thread Eduardo Gargiulo

I recently upgrade from 1.2.5i to 1.3.28i (thanks mutt-users).
Now, when i try to sign a message, i get the following error

gpg: can't mmap pool of 16384 bytes: Invalid argument - using malloc

i see the same message in the verified and not verified signatures. I
was using gnupg 1.0.6 with previous version of mutt without problems.
Any hints?

-- 
Eduardo Gargiulo
ejg(at)ar.homelinux.org



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Re: Mails are always tagged as old but unread

2002-04-11 Thread chris

 
 
 
 
* Am Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 06:39:47AM -0500 , schrieb David T-G:

> % Is anybody interested in reading it ? (154 lines)
> 
> Sure.
> 
> 
 So here it comes: (my procmailrc)

LOGFILE=/home/chris/.procmail.log
LOGABSTRACT="all"
VERBOSE="yes"

#Backup
:0 c
Mail/backup

:0 ic
| cd backup && rm -f dummy `ls -t msg.* | sed -e 1,32d`
  
# Damit GPG/PGP Header richtig sind 
:0
* !^Content-Type: message/
* !^Content-Type: multipart/
* !^Content-Type: application/pgp
{
:0 fBw
* ^-BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-
* ^-END PGP MESSAGE-
| formail \
-i "Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=encrypt"

:0 fBw
* ^-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
* ^-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
* ^-END PGP SIGNATURE-
| formail \
-i "Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=sign"
}


:0hc
| lbdb-fetchaddr


:0:
* ^From.*Mailer-Daemon
Mail/system

:0:
* ^From.*uucp@marvin
Mail/marvin

:0:
* ^Return-path.*root@trillian
Mail/system

:0:
* ^Subject.*MailStatistics
Mail/system

:0:
* ^Subject.*rhizom
Mail/rhizom

:0:
* ^Reply-To: party-l
Mail/party-l

:0:
* ^List-Id:.*gnupg-users.gnupg.org
Mail/gnupg-users


:0: 
* ^List-Id.*inferno-l.inferno.nadir.org
Mail/inferno-l


#   -- doesn't work yet - 
# hiermit werden alle Absender nach inferno-l.list geschrieben, wenn sie noch 
# nicht drin stehen. (hoffentlich)
#:0 Whc:
#* ^List-Id.*inferno-l.inferno.nadir.org
#| formail -rD 8192 inferno-l.cache
#  :0 ehc
#  | formail -x From >> /home/chris/inferno-l.list
  

:0:
* ^List-Id.*imc.inferno.nadir.org
Mail/imc

:0:
* ^List-Id.*wohnprojekt-l
Mail/wohnprojekt-l

:0:
* ^List-Id.*sz-info.inferno
Mail/sz-info

:0:
* ^List-Id.*alle.inferno.nadir.org
Mail/alle

:0:
* ^From.*heise.de
Mail/telepolis

:0:
* ^From.*support@inferno
Mail/support

:0:
* ^From.*todo@inferno
Mail/todo

:0:
* ^From.*inhaltliches@inferno

:0:
* ^List-Id:.*szwww-l.inferno.nadir.org
Mail/szwww-l

:0:
* ^To:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mail/szwww-l

:0:
* ^Mailing-List:.*lists.ccc.de
Mail/debate

:0:
* ^List-ID.*connect.squat.net
Mail/connect

:0:
* ^List-ID.*ccc-l
Mail/ccc-l

:0:
* ^List-Id.*gentoo-user.gentoo.org
Mail/gentoo-user


:0:
* ^List-Id.*automail-l
Mail/automail-l


:0:
* ^List-Id.*keysignings.lists.alt.org
Mail/keysignings

:0:
* ^Sender:.*mutt-users
Mail/mutt-users

:0:
* ^List-Id.*technix-l
Mail/technix-l

 Have fun with it

 Christoph





Re: tricky limiting

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Rob --

...and then Rob Reid said...
% 
% At  9:29 AM EDT on April 11 David T-G sent off:
% > I recall some discussions of this but I don't think I've ever seen it
% > work.  I'd like to limit to entire threads for any in which I've taken
% > part.
% 
% For many people that would be tricky but fortunately for you it's just "l."
% ;->

*grin*


% 
% For lurkers it would be "l!." (untested).

Heh.


% 
% Seriously though, it might be time to use procmail.  First collect a list of
% all the oldest parent (i.e. thread starting) M-IDs from all of your messages
% (this might be possible from mutt) and procmail anything referencing or
% matching one of those M-IDs into a new folder.  This takes up more disk space
% than a limit, but you can delete it when you're done.

Well, that's not really what I need...  The specific case is my
mutt-users folder.  When I reply to a message I keep the original, and
then of course get my reply.  Once the thread dies I still have the
original and my reply, but by now it's two pages back in the index.  If
the case is closed, so to speak, and there was nothing else of value in
the thread, then I want to delete it -- but to do that I have to be able
to effectively limit my view to those threads.  Do you follow?


% 
% -- 
% "It is man's relation to the cosmos - to the unknown - which alone arouses in
% me the spark of creative imagination." --- H.P. Lovecraft
% Robert I. Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/
% PGP Key: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html


TIA & HAND

:-D
-- 
David T-G  * It's easier to fight for one's principles
(play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
(work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: OT: what is the optimum number of keyrings?

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Rob, et al --

...and then Rob Reid said...
% 
% At  8:33 AM EDT on April 11 David T-G sent off:
% > No problem.  This used to work for me before I started playing with
% > folder-hooks, and it still works even though it doesn't put the key into
% > the target ring as I'd like (I have lots of keyrings).
% 
% I'm just curious...what advantage is there to splitting up your keyring?

It makes things more manageable for me, and reminds me of how I know this
person.  All of my mutt-user friends' keys are in pubring.mutt.gpg, and
so on.  If I ever unhook from a list, I can pretty quickly purge my
key collection of keys relating to that list rather than carrying around
the baggage forever.

Similarly, I have all of my old keys in a ring by themselves; they're
available in case I want to read my old encrypted messages or if someone
encrypts to me with an old key, but I don't see them on a regular basis.

It also shortens my listings if I'm looking for something in particular;
I have a $GNOPG alias defined which points to /dev/null instead of the
options file and then I feed in the keyring I wish to use for the lookup.


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Re: I've broken something

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Rafael --

...and then Rafael C. Gawenda said...
% 
% Quoting Rafael C. Gawenda, Wed Apr 10 10:25:37 +0200 2002 (CEST)
% 
% > Of course, I've the src package and patches handy, it's not lazyness, but if
% > it is the config, then is where I'm a little lost.
% 
% FYI:
% It was (of course) my fault, and it was a simple config mistake...

Ah.  So I guess you can ignore my other reply :-)


% Many thanks to all who have replied, but it were anyway usefull messages,
% I've learnt some usefull things and hints.

Good!


% 
% bind index º  quit #I've had another 'exit' command here :(

Ah.  Yes, there is a difference! :-)


HTH & HAND

:-D
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Re: tricky limiting

2002-04-11 Thread Rob Reid

At  9:29 AM EDT on April 11 David T-G sent off:
> I recall some discussions of this but I don't think I've ever seen it
> work.  I'd like to limit to entire threads for any in which I've taken
> part.

For many people that would be tricky but fortunately for you it's just "l."
;->

For lurkers it would be "l!." (untested).

Seriously though, it might be time to use procmail.  First collect a list of
all the oldest parent (i.e. thread starting) M-IDs from all of your messages
(this might be possible from mutt) and procmail anything referencing or
matching one of those M-IDs into a new folder.  This takes up more disk space
than a limit, but you can delete it when you're done.

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Re: I've broken something

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Rafael --

...and then Rafael C. Gawenda said...
% 
% Quoting David T-G (Wed Apr 10 14:10:19 CEST 2002)
% 
% > Are you using the stock mutt that you've had all along, or did you
% > just breed a new mutt?  In the latter case, whether you chose to use
% > mutt_dotlock or have mutt do the locking itself, does the proper binary
% > have the permissions to do so?
% 
% The problem showed up after setting a new debian 2.2r5 with separate
% partitions for /usr /home and /var

Interesting.  Separate partitions shouldn't matter, and a fresh
system should have everything right but I suppose it might not.


% 
% > Show us what
% 
% Sorry for haven't done that before 0:-)

No problem :-)


% Just made a backup, and installed Debian package for woody (1.3.28i)

Hmmm...  So does that mean you're working with the mutt that had the
problem or a different mutt?  And, if the latter, do you still have the
problem?


% 
% >   mutt -v
% >   ls -lF `which mutt` `which mutt_dotlock`
% 
% -v details attached (was that a bad idea?)

Not IMHO.


% Previosly:
% -rwxr-xr-x 1 rgawenda rgawenda 1447035 Apr 10 07:55 /usr/bin/mutt*
% -rwxr-sr-x 1 rgawenda mail7108 Feb 17  2000 /usr/bin/mutt_dotlock*
% Current:
% -rwxr-xr-x 1 rgawenda rgawenda  523660 Mar 19 20:50 /usr/bin/mutt*
% -rwxr-sr-x 1 rgawenda mail7248 Mar 19 20:50 /usr/bin/mutt_dotlock*

Hokay; those both look good.


% 
% rgawenda is UID,GID=0

Whoa -- rgawenda is your root user?


% mail user is: uid=1000(ais) gid=1000(ais) groups=1000(ais)

Interesting, but I suppose that will do.  What's the difference between
group mail listed above and group ais listed here, though?  So what
are the permissions on your spool directory (be that /var/spool/mail or
$HOME or elsewhere) and spoolfile?


% 
% > give you.  In addition, when you're in mutt, does the top line have a
% > percent in up in the left corner?  When you toggle-write (bound by
% > default to '%'), do you get the message that changes will and won't be
% > written, or does the percent sign silently stay up there?
% 
% I'm using no help line, and bottom status line, which shows no '%' sign
% visible, unless I hit it one time (which tells me that mode changed to
% rean-only (ie. hanges will not be written, or so).

Hokay; that's good.  If you can turn read-only back off then that part is
all fine.


% 
% > % msg is still there (instead of being moved to +mbox), and marked as New...
% > % Has somebody seen a similar behaviour?
% 
% > Yes -- when mutt_dotlock can't lock your mailbox.
% 
% I've just tried (by hand) locking a mbox, and mutt complains and reads it
% RO, after prompting to remove locks, or RW if I let it remove the locks.

OK; that's good.  Now what about your spool mailbox, if that's the one
about which we're talking?


% 
% If I enter the mbox, read, force a sync ($), and quit, it does update.

Um, OK.  Now I'm confused again.  I thought you said that sync didn't
work.  Maybe you should outline the difficulty for me again...


% 
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% 2:348/610@fidonet; GnuPG key: 0x5C4839A5; Registered LiNUX User #93375
% Life's unfair - but root password helps! (BOFH?)


:-D
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Re: Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?

2002-04-11 Thread darren chamberlain

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-11 12:24]:
> Well, in my best low tech manner, I think I've come up with something
> of promise.  What I did was:
> 
> 1)  Select all the messages in the inbox or outbox.  2)  Perform
> File|Save As and save the entire contents as a text file.
> 
> These big text files open fine with vim.  When I get home, I may have
> to fiddle with the From header to get things right.  But, this may
> work.
> 
> I'll report back.

Try formail; I think it can add missing From lines.

(darren)

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reuse time.
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Re: Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?

2002-04-11 Thread Shawn McMahon

begin  [EMAIL PROTECTED] quotation:
> 
> These big text files open fine with vim.  When I get home, I may have to fiddle with 
>the From header to get things right.  But, this may work.

That'll be easy.  One line of Perl or shell, most likely.

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RE: Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?

2002-04-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Well, in my best low tech manner, I think I've come up with something of promise.  
What I did was:

1)  Select all the messages in the inbox or outbox.
2)  Perform File|Save As and save the entire contents as a text file.

These big text files open fine with vim.  When I get home, I may have to fiddle with 
the From header to get things right.  But, this may work.

I'll report back.

John

Original Message:
-
From: David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:39:30 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Outlook pst import:  What file format should I use?


John --

..and then [EMAIL PROTECTED] said...
%
% I've figured out how to convert Outlook mailboxes.  There are filters within

No, you haven't :-)


..
%
% As tomorrow is my last day with access to Outlook and these files, there is a
% bit of urgency to this.

If you don't like any of the methods already posted (eg Mozilla
importing), since you're there with LookOut! and your exchange server,
why not just use outhouse to copy the messages back up to your server
and then use mutt to pull them down via IMAP?  That worked dandily for me
when I had my first few months of mail all stuck in .pst files before
finally getting mutt built and installed where I was working...


%
% Thanks.

HTH & HAND and next time start thinking about this sooner :-)


%
% John


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OT: what is the optimum number of keyrings?

2002-04-11 Thread Rob Reid

At  8:33 AM EDT on April 11 David T-G sent off:
> No problem.  This used to work for me before I started playing with
> folder-hooks, and it still works even though it doesn't put the key into
> the target ring as I'd like (I have lots of keyrings).

I'm just curious...what advantage is there to splitting up your keyring?

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Re: I've broken something

2002-04-11 Thread Rafael C. Gawenda

Quoting Rafael C. Gawenda, Wed Apr 10 10:25:37 +0200 2002 (CEST)

> Of course, I've the src package and patches handy, it's not lazyness, but if
> it is the config, then is where I'm a little lost.

FYI:
It was (of course) my fault, and it was a simple config mistake...
Many thanks to all who have replied, but it were anyway usefull messages,
I've learnt some usefull things and hints.

bind index ºquit #I've had another 'exit' command here :(
bind pager ºexit
bind compose º  exit
bind attach º   exit

The point was using a single 'escape' key, but as the real  key is a
prefix, I had to choose 'º', which, on spanish layout keybs, is located
under Esc, right before '1'.
At least I managed to get charsets/iconv/locales running fine (after some
minutes of RTFM).

Sorry :-)

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Re: I've broken something

2002-04-11 Thread Rafael C. Gawenda

Quoting David T-G (Wed Apr 10 14:10:19 CEST 2002)

> Are you using the stock mutt that you've had all along, or did you
> just breed a new mutt?  In the latter case, whether you chose to use
> mutt_dotlock or have mutt do the locking itself, does the proper binary
> have the permissions to do so?

The problem showed up after setting a new debian 2.2r5 with separate
partitions for /usr /home and /var

> Show us what

Sorry for haven't done that before 0:-)
Just made a backup, and installed Debian package for woody (1.3.28i)

>   mutt -v
>   ls -lF `which mutt` `which mutt_dotlock`

-v details attached (was that a bad idea?)
Previosly:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 rgawenda rgawenda 1447035 Apr 10 07:55 /usr/bin/mutt*
-rwxr-sr-x 1 rgawenda mail7108 Feb 17  2000 /usr/bin/mutt_dotlock*
Current:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 rgawenda rgawenda  523660 Mar 19 20:50 /usr/bin/mutt*
-rwxr-sr-x 1 rgawenda mail7248 Mar 19 20:50 /usr/bin/mutt_dotlock*

rgawenda is UID,GID=0
mail user is: uid=1000(ais) gid=1000(ais) groups=1000(ais)

> give you.  In addition, when you're in mutt, does the top line have a
> percent in up in the left corner?  When you toggle-write (bound by
> default to '%'), do you get the message that changes will and won't be
> written, or does the percent sign silently stay up there?

I'm using no help line, and bottom status line, which shows no '%' sign
visible, unless I hit it one time (which tells me that mode changed to
rean-only (ie. hanges will not be written, or so).

> % msg is still there (instead of being moved to +mbox), and marked as New...
> % Has somebody seen a similar behaviour?

> Yes -- when mutt_dotlock can't lock your mailbox.

I've just tried (by hand) locking a mbox, and mutt complains and reads it
RO, after prompting to remove locks, or RW if I let it remove the locks.

If I enter the mbox, read, force a sync ($), and quit, it does update.

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Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others.
Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'.
Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
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System: Linux 2.2.17 (i586) [using ncurses 5.2]
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+USE_POP  +USE_IMAP  -USE_GSS  -USE_SSL  +USE_GNUTLS  +USE_SASL  
+HAVE_REGCOMP  -USE_GNU_REGEX  
+HAVE_COLOR  +HAVE_START_COLOR  +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD  +HAVE_BKGDSET  
+HAVE_CURS_SET  +HAVE_META  +HAVE_RESIZETERM  
+HAVE_PGP  -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS  -SUN_ATTACHMENT  
+ENABLE_NLS  -LOCALES_HACK  +COMPRESSED  +HAVE_WC_FUNCS  +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET  
++HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR  
+HAVE_ICONV  -ICONV_NONTRANS  +HAVE_GETSID  +HAVE_GETADDRINFO  
ISPELL="/usr/bin/ispell"
SENDMAIL="/usr/sbin/sendmail"
MAILPATH="/var/mail"
PKGDATADIR="/usr/share/mutt"
SYSCONFDIR="/etc"
EXECSHELL="/bin/sh"
MIXMASTER="mixmaster"
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Re: Feature request: uncolor not only in index

2002-04-11 Thread Gary Johnson

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:54:49AM -0400, darren chamberlain wrote:

> Where does display-hook come from?  I just built 1.3.28 and use
> 1.3.22.1 regularly and neither has it.  I'm assuming it comes from a
> patch, but which one?

It was a patch for the 1.2 series.  I'm using patch-1.2.bj.display-hook.2.
I assumed that it would be applied to the 1.3 series, but I haven't
followed the development branch features very closely.  I think the name
may have changed to message-hook in 1.3, but I don't really know.

HTH,
Gary

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Re: compile errors

2002-04-11 Thread Michael Tatge

If don't provide us with some basic information, I won't expect an
answer.

Eduardo Gargiulo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered:
> I'm STILL trying to compile mutt-1.3.28i, but the process failed with the
> following error:
> 
> --- 8< ---
> pgp.c: In function `disable_coredumps':
> pgp.c:70: variable `rl' has initializer but incomplete type
> pgp.c:70: warning: excess elements in struct initializer after `rl'
> pgp.c:70: warning: excess elements in struct initializer after `rl'
> pgp.c:70: storage size of `rl' isn't known
> pgp.c:75: warning: implicit declaration of function `setrlimit'
> pgp.c:75: `RLIMIT_CORE' undeclared (first use in this function)
> pgp.c:75: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> pgp.c:75: for each function it appears in.)
> pgp.c:70: warning: unused variable `rl'
> make[1]: *** [pgp.o] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src//mutt-1.3.28'
> make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
> --- 8< ---
> 
> i get the same error with 1.3.27i version and i want pgp support.
> is there someone in the list that points me how to solve this problem?

Which OS, compiler, compiled against which libs, etc?

Michael
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Re: Feature request: uncolor not only in index

2002-04-11 Thread Dan Boger

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:54:49AM -0400, darren chamberlain wrote:
> > That being said, I would really like such an uncolor feature myself.
> > I receive internal newsletters that I find easier to read if I
> > highlight the section headings like this:
> > 
> > display-hook '~s "blips"' 'push "/\^[A-Z0-9][A-Z0-9 [:punct:]]*$^M"'
> > 
> > These highlights disappear, however, whenever I search for something.
> > Being able to color and uncolor patterns in the pager would be a good
> > solution.
> 
> Where does display-hook come from?  I just built 1.3.28 and use
> 1.3.22.1 regularly and neither has it.  I'm assuming it comes from a
> patch, but which one?

I _think_ it's actually a message-hook?

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Re: compile errors

2002-04-11 Thread Mark J. Reed

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 12:52:45PM -0300, Eduardo Gargiulo wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> I'm STILL trying to compile mutt-1.3.28i, but the process failed with the
> following error:
What's your environment?  Operating system+version, compiler+version?
It appears that you're missing the resource limit declarations. 
On both my Linux Mandrake 7 and Solaris 7 systems, those are found
in the include file , but it appears that they're not in
that file on your system, so you may have to add a #include to pgp.h.

The other possibility is that the declarations are in that file, but
configure script wasn't able to determine that such a file exists.  
But since it makes that determination by actually trying to compile a C
program with the line #include , that's unlikely.

> --- 8< ---
> pgp.c: In function `disable_coredumps':
> pgp.c:70: variable `rl' has initializer but incomplete type
> pgp.c:70: warning: excess elements in struct initializer after `rl'
> pgp.c:70: warning: excess elements in struct initializer after `rl'
> pgp.c:70: storage size of `rl' isn't known
> pgp.c:75: warning: implicit declaration of function `setrlimit'
> pgp.c:75: `RLIMIT_CORE' undeclared (first use in this function)
> pgp.c:75: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> pgp.c:75: for each function it appears in.)
> pgp.c:70: warning: unused variable `rl'
> make[1]: *** [pgp.o] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src//mutt-1.3.28'
> make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
> --- 8< ---
> 
> i get the same error with 1.3.27i version and i want pgp support.
> is there someone in the list that points me how to solve this problem?
> 
> TIA
> 
> -- 
> Eduardo Gargiulo
> ejg(at)ar.homelinux.org

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Re: Feature request: uncolor not only in index

2002-04-11 Thread darren chamberlain

* Gary Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-10 10:22]:

[-- snip --]

> That being said, I would really like such an uncolor feature myself.
> I receive internal newsletters that I find easier to read if I
> highlight the section headings like this:
> 
> display-hook '~s "blips"' 'push "/\^[A-Z0-9][A-Z0-9 [:punct:]]*$^M"'
> 
> These highlights disappear, however, whenever I search for something.
> Being able to color and uncolor patterns in the pager would be a good
> solution.

Where does display-hook come from?  I just built 1.3.28 and use
1.3.22.1 regularly and neither has it.  I'm assuming it comes from a
patch, but which one?

(darren)

-- 
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people are terrified of the bomb. But then some people are
terrified to be seen carrying a modern screen magazine. Experience
teaches us that silence terrified people the most.
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Re: compile errors

2002-04-11 Thread Eduardo Gargiulo

Hi all.

I'm STILL trying to compile mutt-1.3.28i, but the process failed with the
following error:

--- 8< ---
pgp.c: In function `disable_coredumps':
pgp.c:70: variable `rl' has initializer but incomplete type
pgp.c:70: warning: excess elements in struct initializer after `rl'
pgp.c:70: warning: excess elements in struct initializer after `rl'
pgp.c:70: storage size of `rl' isn't known
pgp.c:75: warning: implicit declaration of function `setrlimit'
pgp.c:75: `RLIMIT_CORE' undeclared (first use in this function)
pgp.c:75: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
pgp.c:75: for each function it appears in.)
pgp.c:70: warning: unused variable `rl'
make[1]: *** [pgp.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src//mutt-1.3.28'
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
--- 8< ---

i get the same error with 1.3.27i version and i want pgp support.
is there someone in the list that points me how to solve this problem?

TIA

-- 
Eduardo Gargiulo
ejg(at)ar.homelinux.org



Re: Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)

2002-04-11 Thread Thorsten Haude

Hi,

* darren chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-04-11 16:03]:
>If the problem is the newlines, as someone suggested, give this a try:
>
>  mailboxes `echo \`find ~/Mail -type f -print\``
>
>which gives me a full list with no newlines.
This can also be done with xargs(1), see my other mail in this thread.

Thorsten
-- 
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Gegensatz zu seiner Zeit zu befinden und zu sagen: Nein!
- Kurt Tucholsky



Re: "Don't reply to me" does not work?

2002-04-11 Thread Jun Sun

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 10:35:46AM -0500, David T-G wrote:
> % but it seems when I use 'g' to reply to an email, I still get another copy.
> % Since I am already using "Fcc", so I ended up with two copies of my reply.
> % 
> % What is the wrong here?
> 
> mutt has to know who you are before it can know to not reply.  Do you
> have $alternates set up correctly?
> 

Right on target - Thanks. :-)

Jun




Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

John --

...and then [EMAIL PROTECTED] said...
% 
% I've figured out how to convert Outlook mailboxes.  There are filters within

No, you haven't :-)


...
% 
% As tomorrow is my last day with access to Outlook and these files, there is a
% bit of urgency to this.

If you don't like any of the methods already posted (eg Mozilla
importing), since you're there with LookOut! and your exchange server,
why not just use outhouse to copy the messages back up to your server
and then use mutt to pull them down via IMAP?  That worked dandily for me
when I had my first few months of mail all stuck in .pst files before
finally getting mutt built and installed where I was working...


% 
% Thanks.

HTH & HAND and next time start thinking about this sooner :-)


% 
% John


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Re: "Don't reply to me" does not work?

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Jun --

...and then Jun Sun said...
% 
% Hi,

Hello!


% 
% I have set the following:
% 
% # don't reply to myself
% set metoo=no
% 
% but it seems when I use 'g' to reply to an email, I still get another copy.
% Since I am already using "Fcc", so I ended up with two copies of my reply.
% 
% What is the wrong here?

mutt has to know who you are before it can know to not reply.  Do you
have $alternates set up correctly?


% 
% Thanks.

HTH & HAND


% 
% Jun


:-D
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"Don't reply to me" does not work?

2002-04-11 Thread Jun Sun

Hi,

I have set the following:

# don't reply to myself
set metoo=no

but it seems when I use 'g' to reply to an email, I still get another copy.
Since I am already using "Fcc", so I ended up with two copies of my reply.

What is the wrong here?

Thanks.

Jun




Re: HTML Mail

2002-04-11 Thread Shawn McMahon

begin  Patrick quotation:
> 
> Actually, the custon is and SHOULD-BE:  reply to list and ONLY CC to
> person if asked.  We certainly do not want to receive posts twich
> without requesting such action.

IMHO, it should be "reply to list, and let the guy who refuses to join
the list use the archives, that's what they're there for."


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Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?

2002-04-11 Thread Simon White

11-Apr-02 at 10:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> I've figured out how to convert Outlook mailboxes.  There are filters within 
> Outlook to do this.  They give the following choices for converted format: 
> 
> -Comma seperated values (DOS) 
> -Comma seperated values (Windows) 
> -dBase 
> -Microsoft Access 
> -Microsoft Excel 
> -Microsoft FoxPro 
> -Tab Seperated Values (DOS) 
> 
> Which of these will work best to ultimately get into mbox format? 

None of the above. Better tools to do the job were discussed on the list
today. Those values from Outlook look more like conversions for Address
Books than mailboxes.

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browsing Maildir folders - how?

2002-04-11 Thread Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek

I have a Maildir ~/Mail. I created an experimental directory
~~/Mail/artax to test forder name matching. If I browse folders and get
into this folder, selecting .. opens =artax/.. . Change folder
puts me into the same dir (~/Mail/artax) again, and again.
I set record=~/Mail/Sent. Now if I'm in the Sent folder and want to
change folders I'm put into its parent ~/Mail. Selecting Sent opens it.
How do I check if it has any subfolders?

I know, ls -AF Mail/Sent | sed -n '/\<\(cur\|new\|tmp\)\/$/d;/\/$/p'
is my friend..

-- 
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Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?

2002-04-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I've figured out how to convert Outlook mailboxes.  There are filters within
Outlook to do this.  They give the following choices for converted format:

-Comma seperated values (DOS)
-Comma seperated values (Windows)
-dBase
-Microsoft Access
-Microsoft Excel
-Microsoft FoxPro
-Tab Seperated Values (DOS)

Which of these will work best to ultimately get into mbox format?

As tomorrow is my last day with access to Outlook and these files, there is a
bit of urgency to this.

Thanks.

John


mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web.com/ .




Re: IMAP browsing

2002-04-11 Thread Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:02:06AM -0500, David T-G wrote:
> Michael --
> 
> ...and then Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek said...
> % 
> ...
> % 
> % set spoolfile="$HOME/Mail"
> % set mbox_type=Maildir
> % set record=$HOME/Mail/Sent
> 
> This is interesting.  The spoolfile setting looks like what you would
> actually have for $folder, especially since $record is a mailbox under
$spoolfile is something like /var/spool/mail/$LOGNAME which is
undesirable - causes errors.
> that folder.  Should $spoolfile really be $HOME/Mailbox or something
> similar, or do you actually have
> 
>   $HOME/
> Mail/
>   cur/
>   tmp/
>   new/
>   Sent/
> cur/
> tmp/
> new/
> 
> which may or may not work (I don't think that Maildir is designed to have
> not only messages but "subfolders" in the same plce)?
This is what I have and it works except subfolders should start with a
dot (ie .Sent) to be accessible trough courier-imap for Mozilla.
> 
> 
> % 
> % account-hook . unset imap_user imap_force_ssl
> % folder-hook . set [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> % account-hook artax set imap_force_ssl=yes imap_user=msuc8339
> % folder-hook artax set [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> % account-hook dec59 set imap_force_ssl=no imap_user=suchanek 
> % folder-hook dec59 set [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> % 
> % macro index \Csa ":set folder=imaps://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/mailc?"
> % macro index \Csu ":set folder=imap://dec59.ruk.cuni.czc?"
> % macro index \Csl ":unset folderc?"
> % -
> % 
> % It doesnt work. You can switch to an imap account but once there you
> % can't switch anywhere else. I tried folder=~/Mail for local first but it
> % makes no difference.  
> 
> Instead of unsetting your folder for your local macro, set it back to
> your local mail dir (usually $HOME/Mail but that's tough to tell above).
I tried: no diff - see above-^
> 
> 
> % Another problem is I lose the checking for new mail.
> 
> Use a "mailboxes" line to define where you want mutt to look.  I thought
> I saw one in an earlier mail from you...
AFAIK it has to be turned off to make any use of $folder for browsing.
> 
> 
> HTH & HAND
I suspect we have exhausted all the possibilities for now but I
appreciate your help anywawy.
I think I can use Mozilla when I really want to browse all my mailboxes
at once :-)
> 
> 
> :-D
> -- 
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> (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
> (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 



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Re: HTML Mail

2002-04-11 Thread Simon White

11-Apr-02 at 12:55, Ian Chilton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> > Sorry, no. Mailing lists are mailing lists.
> > Participation is expected, not
> > just one way communication.
> 
> Actually, the custom is to reply to the person and CC to the list :-)

Not on this list, if I take precedents I have seen from other members to
be the netiquette for this list...

> > however if you set it explicitly look at use_mailcap
> 
> I can't find any reference to use_mailcap in the muttrc or man muttrc -
> where is it please?

In the manual, /usr/local/doc/mutt/manual.txt by default.

> That's what I thought, but i'm running everythign as user ian, which is
> who owns .mailcap:
> 
> [ian@buzz:~]$ ls -la .mailcap
> -rw-r--r--   1 ian  users  30 Apr 10 14:19 .mailcap

Exactly the same permissions I have. Is links in the $PATH?

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[hramrach@centrum.cz: browsing Maildir folders - how?]

2002-04-11 Thread Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek

- Forwarded message from Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:25:59 +0200
From: Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mutt Users' list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: browsing Maildir folders - how?
Mail-Followup-To: Mutt Users' list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i

I have a Maildir ~/Mail. I created an experimental directory
~/Mail/artax to test forder name matching. If I browse folders and get
into this folder, selecting .. opens =artax/.. . Change folder
puts me into the same dir (~/Mail/artax) again, and again.
I set record=~/Mail/Sent. Now if I'm in the Sent folder and want to
change folders I'm put into its parent ~/Mail. Selecting Sent opens it.
How do I check if it has any subfolders?

I know, ls -AF Mail/Sent | sed -n '/\<\(cur\|new\|tmp\)\/$/d;/\/$/p'
is my friend..

- End forwarded message -

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Re: Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)

2002-04-11 Thread Kai Weber

+ Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> >What's wrong with that and how should i tune my settings?
> I use
> mailboxes `find ~/Mail -type f -print | grep -Ev '(admin|postponed|archiv)' | 
>xargs`

Thank you all for your tips. Seems I forgot to set the mailboxes
relativly to $HOME. Now it seems to work. And Thorsten's idea to leave
out some mailboxes with an inverted grep is very good.

Now I can go on configuring the beast. I have to find an easy way to
cleanup/archiving the mailboxes...

Kai.



Re: Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)

2002-04-11 Thread darren chamberlain

* Johan Almqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-11 09:44]:
> * Kai Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020411 14:32]:
> > I am just reorganzing my mail sorting and filtering. I now use a
> > structure like that:
> > Mail/list/mutt-users
> > Mail/list/debian-users
> > Mail/mail/inbox
> > Mail/mail/private
> > ...
> 
> Have you tried
> 
> mailboxes `echo ~/Mail/*/*`

That assumes he only has one level of subdirectories, but he mentioned
~/Mail/lists/mutt-users/2002-04 (or similar), so that's not necessarily
true.

If the problem is the newlines, as someone suggested, give this a try:

  mailboxes `echo \`find ~/Mail -type f -print\``

which gives me a full list with no newlines.

The nested backticks are ugly; if you are on a machine where your shell
is bash (or bash disguising itself as /bin/sh) try:

  mailboxes `echo $(find ~/Mail -type f -print)`

Although that's completely untested, it seems that it would work if the
shell understands the $() syntax, since everything in `` is passed to
the shell.

(darren)

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Re: IMAP browsing

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Michael --

...and then Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek said...
% 
...
% > I would recommend a couple of macros which reset $folder so that you can
% > quickly change from local to remote and back.
% 
% This is what I set up:
% 
% 
% set spoolfile="$HOME/Mail"
% set mbox_type=Maildir
% set record=$HOME/Mail/Sent

This is interesting.  The spoolfile setting looks like what you would
actually have for $folder, especially since $record is a mailbox under
that folder.  Should $spoolfile really be $HOME/Mailbox or something
similar, or do you actually have

  $HOME/
Mail/
  cur/
  tmp/
  new/
  Sent/
cur/
tmp/
new/

which may or may not work (I don't think that Maildir is designed to have
not only messages but "subfolders" in the same plce)?


% 
% account-hook . unset imap_user imap_force_ssl
% folder-hook . set [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
% account-hook artax set imap_force_ssl=yes imap_user=msuc8339
% folder-hook artax set [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
% account-hook dec59 set imap_force_ssl=no imap_user=suchanek 
% folder-hook dec59 set [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
% 
% macro index \Csa ":set folder=imaps://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/mailc?"
% macro index \Csu ":set folder=imap://dec59.ruk.cuni.czc?"
% macro index \Csl ":unset folderc?"
% -
% 
% It doesnt work. You can switch to an imap account but once there you
% can't switch anywhere else. I tried folder=~/Mail for local first but it
% makes no difference.  

Instead of unsetting your folder for your local macro, set it back to
your local mail dir (usually $HOME/Mail but that's tough to tell above).


% Another problem is I lose the checking for new mail.

Use a "mailboxes" line to define where you want mutt to look.  I thought
I saw one in an earlier mail from you...


% Note I had to specify imaps: manually, otherwise I had to login twice.

Don't know anything about that one.


% 
% -- 
%   Michal Suchanek
%   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

HTH & HAND


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Re: I've broken something

2002-04-11 Thread darren chamberlain

* John Buttery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-11 09:27]:
> * darren chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-10 15:19:58 -0400]:
> > If you like pain, try stracing a mutt session:
> >   strace -o /tmp/mutt.out mutt
> 
>   Actually, vim has very passable syntax highlighting for strace output
> files...saved me a lot of headaches.  Just name the file *.strace and
> open it in vim (I'm not sure if the .strace extension is necessary, I
> just always use it and I know it worked with that).

You're right, it is pretty good.  Just running :set ft=strace will be
enough, if the extension is not .strace.

(darren)

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Re: IMAP browsing

2002-04-11 Thread Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek

> Michael --
> 
> ...and then Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek said...
> % 
> ...
> % Thank you for your responses. If I understand what you are writing, you
> % all advise me to swich from browsing local folders by defalt to browsing
> % remote folders by default. 
> 
> At least when you want to look at remote folders, anyway.
> 
> 
> % That differs from the behavior I'd like to achieve. I want mutt to show
> % the tree in which the folder that is currently open can be located so
> % that I can select its sibling or subfolder. Writing the whole URL is
> 
> Fair enough.
> 
> 
> % quite a bit of typing, thus I do not consider this an easy way.
> % I set up mailboxes to point to all my accounts following another
> % advice to get easy access to all of them using c.
> 
> I would recommend a couple of macros which reset $folder so that you can
> quickly change from local to remote and back.

This is what I set up:


set spoolfile="$HOME/Mail"
set mbox_type=Maildir
set record=$HOME/Mail/Sent

account-hook . unset imap_user imap_force_ssl
folder-hook . set [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
account-hook artax set imap_force_ssl=yes imap_user=msuc8339
folder-hook artax set [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
account-hook dec59 set imap_force_ssl=no imap_user=suchanek 
folder-hook dec59 set [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

macro index \Csa ":set folder=imaps://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/mailc?"
macro index \Csu ":set folder=imap://dec59.ruk.cuni.czc?"
macro index \Csl ":unset folderc?"
-

It doesnt work. You can switch to an imap account but once there you
can't switch anywhere else. I tried folder=~/Mail for local first but it
makes no difference.  
Another problem is I lose the checking for new mail.
Note I had to specify imaps: manually, otherwise I had to login twice.

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Re: Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)

2002-04-11 Thread Johan Almqvist

* Kai Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020411 14:32]:
> I am just reorganzing my mail sorting and filtering. I now use a
> structure like that:
>   Mail/list/mutt-users
>   Mail/list/debian-users
>   Mail/mail/inbox
>   Mail/mail/private
>   ...

Have you tried

mailboxes `echo ~/Mail/*/*`

?

-Johan
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tricky limiting

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Hi, all --

I recall some discussions of this but I don't think I've ever seen it
work.  I'd like to limit to entire threads for any in which I've taken
part.  I would think that for a given message one would either look for
that M-ID: (if it started a thread) or the references (if it were a reply
in a thread), but how to do that for all messages and all threads?


TIA & HAND

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Re: I've broken something

2002-04-11 Thread John Buttery

* darren chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-10 15:19:58 -0400]:
> If you like pain, try stracing a mutt session:
>   strace -o /tmp/mutt.out mutt

  Actually, vim has very passable syntax highlighting for strace output
files...saved me a lot of headaches.  Just name the file *.strace and
open it in vim (I'm not sure if the .strace extension is necessary, I
just always use it and I know it worked with that).

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Re: Feature request: uncolor not only in index

2002-04-11 Thread John Buttery

* Michael Tatge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-10 14:52:24 +0200]:
> So far so good. Currently it is impossible to remove that pattern
> again. uncolor only works in the index.
> Devellopers, any chance to change that?

  Once again I'd like to add my voice this feature.  I see how you
people are...I mention it 4 or 5 times and nobody says anything but
now...  :p
  Anyway, I think this would be great.  I have a lot of different
incoming mailboxes and certain strings have special significance if they
come in from a particular source, that the same string doesn't have in
other contexts; not being able to remove body/header colors means I wind
up with a bunch of highlighted strings after I've been running for a
while, which kinda defeats the purpose...

  By the way, Michael...would you mind asking for a feature where mutt
will print the entire comment for the key being used to sign (in the
"compose" screen) instead of just the Key ID? :pp 

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Re: HTML Mail

2002-04-11 Thread Ian Chilton

Hello,

> Try something like:
> text/html; /usr/bin/links %s; copiousoutput

OK, thanks

Ian




Re: HTML Mail

2002-04-11 Thread Stefan Frank

At Thu, Apr 11 2002 [12:01 +0100], Ian Chilton aroused my curiosity with:
> text/html; /usr/bin/links %s

Try something like:
text/html; /usr/bin/links %s; copiousoutput

and read section 5.3 "MIME Viewer configuration with mailcap"
in the manual.

Tschoe,
Steff



Re: Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)

2002-04-11 Thread Thorsten Haude

Hi,

* Kai Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-04-11 14:32]:
>I am just reorganzing my mail sorting and filtering. I now use a
>structure like that:
>
>   Mail/list/mutt-users
>   Mail/list/debian-users
>   Mail/mail/inbox
>   Mail/mail/private
I have something similar:
Mail/in
Mail/ML/Mutt
Mail/ML/NEdit
Mail/ML/Debian/user
Mail/ML/Debian/misc
etc.

This also makes it easy to filter mailing lists with Mail::Audit.

>But Mutt seems to have problems recognizing new mails in these folders
>if I specify mailboxes like that:
>
>   mailboxes `find Mail -type f`
>
>What's wrong with that and how should i tune my settings?
I use
mailboxes `find ~/Mail -type f -print | grep -Ev '(admin|postponed|archiv)' | 
xargs`

Thorsten
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using Windows for mission-critical applications.



Re: Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Kai --

...and then Kai Weber said...
% 
% Hi all,

Hello!


% 
% I am just reorganzing my mail sorting and filtering. I now use a
% structure like that:
% 
%   Mail/list/mutt-users
%   Mail/list/debian-users
%   Mail/mail/inbox
%   Mail/mail/private
%   ...

Not bad.


% 
% (another idea I had was Mail/list/mutt-users/2002-04 but now I archive
% my mails monthly by a cron job)

Good idea.


% 
% But Mutt seems to have problems recognizing new mails in these folders
% if I specify mailboxes like that:
% 
%   mailboxes `find Mail -type f`
% 
% What's wrong with that and how should i tune my settings?

I haven't played with this in a while, but I seem to recall some
issues with newlines coming up with the find method vs the echo method.
Check the archives for mailboxes and see what you find.  I know there
are folks doing this sort of thing, but don't remember if there had to
be some magic thrown in.

Meanwhile, if the problem is mutt recognizing these folders at all, is it
only when a new one gets created and you haven't restarted mutt?  You
might need to re-source your .muttrc file.

Finally, if mutt really sees the folders but just never marks them as
updated, look for any other mailchecking program -- biff, buffy, your
shell, or who knows -- that is updating the last-access timestamp on the
file; mutt compares last-access with last-modified and says the folder
has been updated only if the former is later than the latter (if you'll
forgive the tongue twister).  You can test by using more ls options to
compare them yourself, and even fake delivery by updating the mod time
with touch.


% 
% Thanks for your help and brainstorming

HTH & HAND


% Kai.


:-D
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Re: Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)

2002-04-11 Thread Dan Boger

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 02:32:11PM +0200, Kai Weber wrote:
> But Mutt seems to have problems recognizing new mails in these folders
> if I specify mailboxes like that:
> 
>   mailboxes `find Mail -type f`
> 
> What's wrong with that and how should i tune my settings?

could it be that you're specifying your mailboxes relative to your
homedirectory, but not starting mutt from there?  

try "mailboxes `find ~/Mail -type f`"

HTH!

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Linux MVP
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Re: IMAP browsing

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Michael --

...and then Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek said...
% 
...
% Thank you for your responses. If I understand what you are writing, you
% all advise me to swich from browsing local folders by defalt to browsing
% remote folders by default. 

At least when you want to look at remote folders, anyway.


% That differs from the behavior I'd like to achieve. I want mutt to show
% the tree in which the folder that is currently open can be located so
% that I can select its sibling or subfolder. Writing the whole URL is

Fair enough.


% quite a bit of typing, thus I do not consider this an easy way.
% I set up mailboxes to point to all my accounts following another
% advice to get easy access to all of them using c.

I would recommend a couple of macros which reset $folder so that you can
quickly change from local to remote and back.


HTH & HAND

:-D
-- 
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Re: PGP: macro to fetch keys from keyserver?

2002-04-11 Thread David T-G

Dominik --

...and then Dominik Mierzejewski said...
% 
% On Wednesday, 10 April 2002, David T-G wrote:
% > % I would like to define a keystroke that fetches gpg keys for me from
% > % signed messages, like
% > % 
% > % "gpg --keyserver www.keyserver.net --recv-keys 0x$KEY"
% > % 
% > % But how can I get/define $KEY?
% > 
% > Why reinvent the wheel?  Just use $pgp_getkeys_command as found in
% > your_pgp-gpg_version.rc in the contrib directory in the tarball.
% 
% Funny how it never worked for me. Could you quote yours? Or at least
% one that's working and doesn't invoke some script no-one has ever
% heard of?

No problem.  This used to work for me before I started playing with
folder-hooks, and it still works even though it doesn't put the key into
the target ring as I'd like (I have lots of keyrings).  I may have
to set $p_g_c to point to /dev/null instead of the real options file;
I haven't played with it yet (the catch-all-keys ring is listed last in
my options file, and gpg appears to use whatever is last if it has its
options file to check).

  [zero] [7:31am] ~>  grep pgp_getkeys_command .mutt/gpg.rc
  ###set pgp_getkeys_command="gpg --recv-keys --keyring pubring.catch-all-keys.gpg %r 
2>/dev/null"
  folder-hook . 'set pgp_getkeys_command="gpg --recv-keys --keyring 
pubring.catch-all-keys.gpg %r 2>/dev/null"'
  #folder-hook F.mutt 'set pgp_getkeys_command="gpg --recv-keys --keyring 
pubring.mutt.gpg %r 2>/dev/null"'
  folder-hook F.mutt 'set pgp_getkeys_command="gpg --options /dev/null --no-verbose 
--keyring pubring.mutt.gpg --recv-keys %r 2>/dev/null"'
  folder-hook F.freenet 'set pgp_getkeys_command="gpg --recv-keys --keyring 
pubring.freenet.gpg %r 2>/dev/null"'
  folder-hook F.taxinfo 'set pgp_getkeys_command="gpg --recv-keys --keyring 
pubring.misclists.gpg %r 2>/dev/null"'

  [zero] [7:31am] ~>  grep keyserver .gnupg/options
  keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net
  #keyserver wwwkeys.us.pgp.net
  #keyserver wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net
  #keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net
  #keyserver certserver.pgp.com
  #keyserver pgp.ai.mit.edu
  #keyserver keyserver.net
  #keyserver search.keyserver.net
  #keyserver pgp.dtype.org
  #keyserver gnv.us.ks.cryptnet.net


%  
% -- 
% "The Universe doesn't give you any points for doing things that are easy."
% -- Sheridan to Garibaldi in Babylon 5:"The Geometry of Shadows"
% Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski 


HTH & HAND

:-D
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Organizing mailfolders (strategies and using with mutt)

2002-04-11 Thread Kai Weber

Hi all,

I am just reorganzing my mail sorting and filtering. I now use a
structure like that:

Mail/list/mutt-users
Mail/list/debian-users
Mail/mail/inbox
Mail/mail/private
...

(another idea I had was Mail/list/mutt-users/2002-04 but now I archive
my mails monthly by a cron job)

But Mutt seems to have problems recognizing new mails in these folders
if I specify mailboxes like that:

mailboxes `find Mail -type f`

What's wrong with that and how should i tune my settings?

Thanks for your help and brainstorming
Kai.



Re: From: per IMAP account doesnt work for me

2002-04-11 Thread Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:57:12AM +0200, Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek wrote:
> This is where I set from:
> 
> account-hook . unset imap_user imap_force_ssl
> account-hook . set [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> account-hook artax set imap_force_ssl=yes imap_user=msuc8339 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> account-hook dec59 set imap_force_ssl=no imap_user=suchanek 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> I get From: michal.suchanek@... when I start mutt w/o arguments.
> When I start mutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> I get From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my hostname)
> 
> I think this is wrong. Or have I overlooked something?

Now I have replaced some account-hooks with folder hooks and it
generally works:

account-hook . unset imap_user imap_force_ssl
folder-hook . set [EMAIL PROTECTED] folder=$HOME/Mail
account-hook artax set imap_force_ssl=yes imap_user=msuc8339
folder-hook artax set [EMAIL PROTECTED] folder="imap://dec59.ruk.cuni.cz"
account-hook dec59 set imap_force_ssl=no imap_user=suchanek 
folder-hook dec59 set [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
folder="imap://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz"


-- 
Michal Suchanek
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: HTML Mail

2002-04-11 Thread Patrick

* Ian Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-11-02 07:11]:
> Hello,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> 
> > Sorry, no. Mailing lists are mailing lists.
> > Participation is expected, not
> > just one way communication.
> 
> Actually, the custom is to reply to the person and CC to the list :-)

Actually, the custon is and SHOULD-BE:  reply to list and ONLY CC to
person if asked.  We certainly do not want to receive posts twich
without requesting such action.
-- 
Patrick Shanahan   Registered Linux User #207535
Registered at: http://counter.li.org



Re: HTML Mail

2002-04-11 Thread Ian Chilton

Hello,

Thanks for the reply.


> Sorry, no. Mailing lists are mailing lists.
> Participation is expected, not
> just one way communication.

Actually, the custom is to reply to the person and CC to the list :-)


> I don't use auto_view or any settings in my muttrc and the mailcap works
> fine

Interesting...


> however if you set it explicitly look at use_mailcap

I can't find any reference to use_mailcap in the muttrc or man muttrc -
where is it please?


> Could be a permissions issue with mutt being unable to read the mailcap
> file of course.

That's what I thought, but i'm running everythign as user ian, which is
who owns .mailcap:

[ian@buzz:~]$ ls -la .mailcap
-rw-r--r--   1 ian  users  30 Apr 10 14:19 .mailcap


Thanks

Ian




Re: HTML Mail

2002-04-11 Thread Simon White

11-Apr-02 at 12:01, Ian Chilton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> Hello,
> 
> Please reply direct to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sorry, no. Mailing lists are mailing lists. Participation is expected, not
just one way communication.

> I am trying to get HTML mails to display with links.
> 
> I have this:
> 
> [ian@buzz:~]$ cat .mailcap
> text/html; /usr/bin/links %s
> 
> and these in .muttrc
> set mailcap_path="~/.mailcap"
> auto_view text/html

For lynx I have:-

text/html; lynx -force_html %s; needsterminal;  

I don't use auto_view or any settings in my muttrc and the mailcap works
fine, however if you set it explicitly look at use_mailcap

Could be a permissions issue with mutt being unable to read the mailcap
file of course.

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HTML Mail

2002-04-11 Thread Ian Chilton

Hello,

Please reply direct to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am trying to get HTML mails to display with links.

I have this:

[ian@buzz:~]$ cat .mailcap
text/html; /usr/bin/links %s

and these in .muttrc
set mailcap_path="~/.mailcap"
auto_view text/html


But I get this:
mailcap entry for type text/html not found


Any ideas?


Thanks

Ian




HTML Mail

2002-04-11 Thread Ian Chilton

Hello,

Please reply direct to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am trying to get HTML mails to display with links.

I have this:

[ian@buzz:~]$ cat .mailcap
text/html; /usr/bin/links %s

and these in .muttrc
set mailcap_path="~/.mailcap"
auto_view text/html


But I get this:
mailcap entry for type text/html not found


Any ideas?


Thanks!

Ian



Re: Setting of config var only temporarly

2002-04-11 Thread Michael Tatge

Michael Tatge ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered:
> Norbert Preining ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered:
> > Is it possible to set a config variable only for one specific
> > email to be send? I want:
> > 
> > pgp_create_traditionl=no
> > ...
> > send email to this and that person who uses stupid MUA
> > therefor set pgp_creat_traditional=yes
> > send it
> > ...
> > now p_c_t=no again.
> > 
> > send-hook does not work because it does not reset the variable back to
> > previous state.
> 
> You need a default send-hook to reset p_c_t
> 
> send-hook . "set pgp_create_traditionl=no"
> send [EMAIL PROTECTED] "set pgp_create_traditionl=no"

s/send/send-hook/ of cause

Michael
-- 

PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key



Re: Resending a message with Esc-e

2002-04-11 Thread Patrick

* Ken Weingold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-11-02 05:04]:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002, Johan Almqvist wrote:
> > I have a problem that I don't like. When I use Esc-e to "resend" a message
> > to someone (with edited contents) it doesn't get automatically Fcc'd.
> > 
> > Why is that? How to fix?
> 
> This is a good question.  I have been wondering this myself.  It has
> only come up for me being dreadfully unemployed, sending out my resume
> an infinite amount of times.  I needed to report on all I have sent
> out for NY unemployment insurance, but had none from this venue due to
> using resend-message.

I use:

macro index \ee "f\=outbox\n" "Edit to resend message with complete 
header
macro pager \ee "f\=outbox\n" "Edit to resend message with complete 
header

This will allow you to edit a msg in your fcc folder (including
headers), post the msg and save the new copy in the fcc folder.
NOTE:  my fcc folder is =outbox

-- 
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Registered at: http://counter.li.org



Re: Setting of config var only temporarly

2002-04-11 Thread Rocco Rutte

Hi,

* Michael Tatge [04/11/02 11:10:25 CEST] wrote:
> Norbert Preining ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered:
> > Is it possible to set a config variable only for one specific
> > email to be send? I want:
> > 
> > pgp_create_traditionl=no
> > ...
> > send email to this and that person who uses stupid MUA
> > therefor set pgp_creat_traditional=yes
> > send it
> > ...
> > now p_c_t=no again.
> > 
> > send-hook does not work because it does not reset the variable back to
> > previous state.

> You need a default send-hook to reset p_c_t

> send-hook . "set pgp_create_traditionl=no"
> send [EMAIL PROTECTED] "set pgp_create_traditionl=no"

You mean:

send-hook . "set pgp_create_traditionl=no"
send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] "set pgp_create_traditionl=yes"

?

Cheers, Rocco.



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Re: Resending a message with Esc-e

2002-04-11 Thread Ken Weingold

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002, Johan Almqvist wrote:
> I have a problem that I don't like. When I use Esc-e to "resend" a message
> to someone (with edited contents) it doesn't get automatically Fcc'd.
> 
> Why is that? How to fix?

This is a good question.  I have been wondering this myself.  It has
only come up for me being dreadfully unemployed, sending out my resume
an infinite amount of times.  I needed to report on all I have sent
out for NY unemployment insurance, but had none from this venue due to
using resend-message.


-Ken



Resending a message with Esc-e

2002-04-11 Thread Johan Almqvist

Hi!

I have a problem that I don't like. When I use Esc-e to "resend" a message
to someone (with edited contents) it doesn't get automatically Fcc'd.

Why is that? How to fix?

Regards,

-Johan
-- 
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http://www.almqvist.net/johan/qmail/



Re: Setting of config var only temporarly

2002-04-11 Thread Michael Tatge

Norbert Preining ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered:
> Is it possible to set a config variable only for one specific
> email to be send? I want:
> 
> pgp_create_traditionl=no
> ...
> send email to this and that person who uses stupid MUA
> therefor set pgp_creat_traditional=yes
> send it
> ...
> now p_c_t=no again.
> 
> send-hook does not work because it does not reset the variable back to
> previous state.

You need a default send-hook to reset p_c_t

send-hook . "set pgp_create_traditionl=no"
send [EMAIL PROTECTED] "set pgp_create_traditionl=no"

HTH,

Michael
-- 

PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key



From: per IMAP account doesnt work for me

2002-04-11 Thread Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek

This is where I set from:

account-hook . unset imap_user imap_force_ssl
account-hook . set [EMAIL PROTECTED]
account-hook artax set imap_force_ssl=yes imap_user=msuc8339 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
account-hook dec59 set imap_force_ssl=no imap_user=suchanek 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I get From: michal.suchanek@... when I start mutt w/o arguments.
When I start mutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
I get From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my hostname)

I think this is wrong. Or have I overlooked something?


-- 
Michal Suchanek
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Setting of config var only temporarly

2002-04-11 Thread Norbert Preining

Hi!

Is it possible to set a config variable only for one specific
email to be send? I want:

pgp_create_traditionl=no
...
send email to this and that person who uses stupid MUA
therefor set pgp_creat_traditional=yes
send it
...
now p_c_t=no again.

send-hook does not work because it does not reset the variable back to
previous state.

Is there someting similar?

Please Cc: me answers since I am not subscribed. Thanks a lot.

Best wishes

Norbert

---
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University of Technology Vienna, Austriagpg DSA: 0x09C5B094
---
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but it was his and he stuck by it, more or less. One rule 
he made was never to buy his own drinks. He wasn't sure if 
that counted as an ethic, but you have to go with what 
you've got. 

 --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy



Re: IMAP browsing

2002-04-11 Thread Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek

On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 12:10:14PM -0500, Dean Henrichsmeyer wrote:
> set folder=imap://host.foo.com/folder_root
> 
> Substitute the host and the folder_root with your information and you'll
> browse your imap server by default.
> 
> Dean
> 
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 04:21:45PM +0200, Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek wrote:
> > I think it would be a good idea if c gave me folder tree of my current
> > account and not local folders. ie if I am viewing somebody@somewhere/INBOX
> > c should give me imap://somebody@somewhere/, not ~/Mail (or whatever).
> > The annoying behavior is observed in mutt-1.3.27i-4mdk.
> > Or is there a simple way of browsing my IMAP account I have overlooked?
> > Or prehaps there is a -devel list where this should be posted?
> > 
Thank you for your responses. If I understand what you are writing, you
all advise me to swich from browsing local folders by defalt to browsing
remote folders by default. 
That differs from the behavior I'd like to achieve. I want mutt to show
the tree in which the folder that is currently open can be located so
that I can select its sibling or subfolder. Writing the whole URL is
quite a bit of typing, thus I do not consider this an easy way.
I set up mailboxes to point to all my accounts following another
advice to get easy access to all of them using c.

I'll try to attach my muttrc for you to examine it. It's quite small and
fails in many unexpexted ways.

-- 
Michal Suchanek
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


#set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
set spoolfile="$HOME/Mail"
mailboxes $HOME/Mail imap://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz imap://dec59.ruk.cuni.cz
set mbox_type=Maildir
set move=no
set sort=threads
set sort_aux=reverse-last-date-received
set pager_context=1 pager_index_lines=11

subscribe @linux-mandrake.com mutt-user
account-hook . unset imap_user imap_force_ssl
account-hook . set [EMAIL PROTECTED]
account-hook artax set imap_force_ssl=yes imap_user=msuc8339 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
account-hook dec59 set imap_force_ssl=no imap_user=suchanek 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
save-hook .*+saved-mail
save-hook \[Cooker\] +linux-saved
save-hook \[expert\] +linux-saved