RE: [OT] Email heaaders and threading (was Re: update MySQL)

2004-10-07 Thread David Brodbeck
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Stassen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> This tells the recipient's email client that your message is 
> a reply, not a new message, despite your efforts to change the subject and

> recipients.  Many email clients use that header to decide which thread a
message 
> belongs to.  That's actually the point of the header.

I get it now. I wasn't aware of that, since every email client I've ever
seen seems to thread strictly by subject.

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RE: [OT] Email heaaders and threading (was Re: update MySQL)

2004-10-05 Thread Ed Lazor
> Ed,
> 
> When you *reply* to a message, most mail clients (including yours) add a
> header
> like this:
> 
>In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> That stuff in between the < and > is the message-id of the replied-to
> message.
> 
> This tells the recipient's email client that your message is a reply, not
> a new
> message, despite your efforts to change the subject and recipients.  Many
> email
> clients use that header to decide which thread a message belongs to.
> That's
> actually the point of the header.
> 
> I'm not interested in a debate over the relative merits of different mail
> clients and view modes.  The point is simply this: Many people choose to
> view
> their mail in threaded mode.  When you start a new topic by replying to an
> old
> topic, you disrupt that organization.
> 
> Ultimately, etiquette is about choosing to accomodate the needs of other
> people,
> not about rules.  You didn't know the effect you were having before, but
> now you
> do.  What you do with that information is up to you, but I would suggest
> that
> starting a new message is no more work than changing the subject and
> recipients
> list of a reply.
> 
> Michael

Thanks Michael.  I think you've done an excellent presentation on the merits
of starting a new topic with a new message.  I'm definitely convinced and
will be happy to do my part to help out.

-Ed




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[OT] Email heaaders and threading (was Re: update MySQL)

2004-10-05 Thread Michael Stassen
Ed Lazor wrote:
-Original Message-
Actually its proper email etticate..  look it up if you don't believe me..

That sounds like a copout.  Could present formal references to back this up?
I'm trying to substantiate your claims, but a Google search failed to bring
up anything relevant when searching with the keywords of etiqette, email,
and replying.
Here are some of the references that did come up:
http://coco.essortment.com/emailetiquette_rtqh.htm
http://www.dynamoo.com/technical/etiquette.htm
http://www.cdtl.nus.edu.sg/success/sl6.htm
Also, back to my original question, what are you seeing that denotes the
difference between whether I reply or create a new message when starting a
new topic?  After all, I took care of changing the recipient list and the
subject field.  Is header information different?  Does your email client
sort or group messages differently?
-Ed
Ed,
When you *reply* to a message, most mail clients (including yours) add a header 
like this:

  In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
That stuff in between the < and > is the message-id of the replied-to message.
This tells the recipient's email client that your message is a reply, not a new 
message, despite your efforts to change the subject and recipients.  Many email 
clients use that header to decide which thread a message belongs to.  That's 
actually the point of the header.

I'm not interested in a debate over the relative merits of different mail 
clients and view modes.  The point is simply this: Many people choose to view 
their mail in threaded mode.  When you start a new topic by replying to an old 
topic, you disrupt that organization.

Ultimately, etiquette is about choosing to accomodate the needs of other people, 
not about rules.  You didn't know the effect you were having before, but now you 
do.  What you do with that information is up to you, but I would suggest that 
starting a new message is no more work than changing the subject and recipients 
list of a reply.

Michael
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