AT&T Broadband UseNet leak
It appears that attbi have leaked out, what essentially is spam to non attbi customers, who read usenet. Below is the headers. Did attbi recently become green card/immigration lawyers recently? No idea who to report this to, sending this to abuse@ will obviously do little, other then help someone's ticket close metrics. - Sameer R. Manek Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "What one has not experienced, one will never understand in print." --Isadora Duncan - Path: newsmaster1.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsfeed1. earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news. algx.net!jfk3-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.n et!news-east.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclon e1.we.ipsvc.net!cyclone.mw.ipsvc.net!news.mw.ipsvc.net!typhoon.mw.ipsvc.net. POSTED!no-remote.post Newsgroups: alt.autos.toyota.trucks Subject: Important information regarding your usenet service From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lines: 40 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 19:16:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.131.1.118 X-Complaints-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Trace: typhoon.mw.ipsvc.net 1022267783 24.131.1.118 (Fri, 24 May 2002 15:16:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:16:23 EDT Xref: stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net alt.autos.toyota.trucks:32375 X-Received-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:32:04 PDT (newsmaster1.news.pas.earthlink.net) On June 6th, 2002 AT&T Broadband will restructure the configuration of the servers, which provide access to Usenet newsgroups.
The Cidr Report
This is an auto-generated mail on Fri May 24 23:00:00 PDT 2002 It is not checked before it leaves my workstation. However, hopefully you will find this report interesting and will take the time to look through this to see if you can improve the amount of aggregation you perform. Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html for a daily update of this report. NEW: Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report-region.html for the regional version of this report. NEW: Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/autnums.html for a complete list of autonomous system number to name mappings as used by the CIDR-Report. The report is split into sections: 0) General Status List the route table history for the last week, list any possibly bogus routes seen and give some status on ASes. 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level This lists the "Top 30" players who if they decided to aggregate their announced classful prefixes at the origin AS level could make a significant difference in the reduction of the current size of the Internet routing table. This calculation does not take into account the inclusion of holes when forming an aggregate so it is possible even larger reduction should be possible. 2) Weekly Delta A summary of the last weeks changes in terms of withdrawn and added routes. Please note that this is only a snapshot but does give some indication of ASes participating in CIDR. Clearly, it is generally a good thing to see a large amont of withdrawls. 3) Interesting aggregates Interesting here means not an aggregate made as a set of classful routes. Thanks to GX Networks for giving me access to their routing tables once a day. Please send any comments about this report directly to CIDR Report <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. -- CIDR REPORT for 24May02 0) General Status Table History - DatePrefixes 170502 109785 180502 109834 190502 109804 200502 109906 210502 109923 220502 109973 230502 109965 240502 110020 Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr.plot.html for a plot of the table history. Possible Bogus Routes - *** Bogus 10.1.1.1/32 from AS(65302) AS Summary -- 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level --- 24May02 --- For the rest of the previous weeks gain information please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html 2) Weekly Delta Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report 3) Interesting aggregates Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report
Slightly Operational: How to 0wn the Internet in Your Spare Time
Although this thread will immediately go out of control, Vern Paxson et al once again has come up with some interesting numbers. Something to read over the US Memorial Day holiday weekend. http://www.icir.org/vern/papers/cdc-usenix-sec02/index.html I was lucky enough to see a preview of the paper. It shows we still have some hard work ahead of us.
Re: Contact for UniNet S.A. de C.V. (NETBLK-UNINET-NETBLK-12)
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 11:59:58AM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > Does anyone have a real contact for UniNet S.A. de C.V. > (NETBLK-UNINET-NETBLK-12) ? > The email address registered bounces "mailbox full". hmm. how 'bout "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"? or (digging a bit here), _perhaps_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Henry Yen Aegis Information Systems, Inc. Senior Systems Programmer Hicksville, New York
Re: list problems?
Richard Irving wrote: > Router#Conf t > Router(config)# > << Scott Granados wrote: > >>And remember, Einstein probably wasn't right:). >> > % Invalid input detected at '^' marker. > Router(config)# > > What, God -does- play dice ? ;) Actually, yes, God does ;) (See Bell's theorum and its tests, which grew out of Einstein's attempt, known as EPR after the authors, to show that the uncertainty in quantum mechanics was not intrinsic, but instead only due to a lack of knowledge. This viewpoint is only tenable now if you throw out causality.) (General Relativity is another matter; so far it has passed every test.) Regards Marshall > > >> I also recall that the >>popular myth that he failed math classes as a child is cincorrect. >> > > Like I said, -=<*]Wild Duck[*>=-: > = > > Excerpt: Einstein hated the academic > high school he was sent to in Munich, where success > depended on memorization and obedience to arbitrary > authority. His real studies were done at home with books > on mathematics, physics, and philosophy. A teacher > suggested Einstein leave school, since his very presence > destroyed the other students' respect for the teacher. > > http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/early1.htm > > Except: But he was an independent thinker and > hated the regimentation of the > German school system. To Albert, > schools were like barracks and > teachers like military commanders. > > http://myhero.com/hero.asp?hero=einstein > > Excerpt: The strict discipline of German schools did not appeal to the > young Einstein, who was a poor student but conducted his own studies > of philosophy, math, and science. > > Excerpt: Albert stayed behind to continue his studies, but soon left school with no >diploma to rejoin > his family. He continued his independent studies, teaching himself calculus and >higher scientific > principles. > > http://search.biography.com/print_record.pl?id=14539 > > Excerpt : He studied mathematics and physics at the > Swiss Polytechnic Institute in Zurich. He constantly failed math. > > http://www.norfacad.pvt.k12.va.us/project/einstein/History.htm > > Excerpt: In 1894 Einstein's family moved to Milan but Einstein remained in Munich. >In 1895 Einstein > failed an examination that would have allowed him to study for a diploma as an >electrical engineer at > the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule in Zurich. > > By mid 1901 he had a temporary job as a teacher, teaching mathematics at the >Technical High School in > Winterthur. Around this time he wrote:- > > "I have given up the ambition to get to a university ... " > > http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Einstein.html > > And Finally, in his own words, Excerpt: > > "Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this > experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any >specific social > environment-an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has >been tempered > by a better insight into the causal connections. " > > http://www.stcloud.msus.edu/~lesikar/einstein/freethink.html > > Lets -not- rewrite history to appease the "Moral Majority", > >Who are most likely NEITHER. > > > > >>Hmm, if we're not careful our list will degrade from operational to my >>relativistic mass is bigger than your pc based relativistic mass:). >> >>On Fri, >>24 May 2002, Robert Beverly wrote: >> >> >>>On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Richard Irving wrote: >>> Einstein wouldn't have made it anywhere, without his background in Mathematics that he got from a Prominent Ivy League... Oh.. Shoot, did it again. Have you ever heard the expression "Flat World Thinking" ? Einstein was a Hero to many a Kid, -because- he was self taught. >>>Einstein graduated from the prestigious Swiss Federal Polytechnic >>>college in Zurich. His work on relativity was done afterward, at >>>the Swiss Patent office, while folks at Harvard were still searching >>>the Ether. >>> >>>A college degree is certainly not a prerequisite for intelligence, but >>>can often provide inspiration, even if that takes the form of a >>>dissatisfaction with the prevailing thinking. >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>rob >>> -- Regards Marshall Eubanks This e-mail may contain confidential and proprietary information of Multicast Technologies, Inc, subject to Non-Disclosure Agreements T.M. Eubanks Multicast Technologies, Inc 10301 Democracy Lane, Suite 410 Fairfax, Virginia 22030 Phone : 703-293-9624 Fax : 703-293-9609 e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.multicasttech.com Test your network for multicast : http://www.multicasttech.com/mt/ Status of Multicast on the Web : http://www.multicasttech.com/status/index.html
Re: list problems?
Router#Conf t Router(config)# << Scott Granados wrote: > And remember, Einstein probably wasn't right:). % Invalid input detected at '^' marker. Router(config)# What, God -does- play dice ? ;) > I also recall that the > popular myth that he failed math classes as a child is cincorrect. Like I said, -=<*]Wild Duck[*>=-: = Excerpt: Einstein hated the academic high school he was sent to in Munich, where success depended on memorization and obedience to arbitrary authority. His real studies were done at home with books on mathematics, physics, and philosophy. A teacher suggested Einstein leave school, since his very presence destroyed the other students' respect for the teacher. http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/early1.htm Except: But he was an independent thinker and hated the regimentation of the German school system. To Albert, schools were like barracks and teachers like military commanders. http://myhero.com/hero.asp?hero=einstein Excerpt: The strict discipline of German schools did not appeal to the young Einstein, who was a poor student but conducted his own studies of philosophy, math, and science. Excerpt: Albert stayed behind to continue his studies, but soon left school with no diploma to rejoin his family. He continued his independent studies, teaching himself calculus and higher scientific principles. http://search.biography.com/print_record.pl?id=14539 Excerpt : He studied mathematics and physics at the Swiss Polytechnic Institute in Zurich. He constantly failed math. http://www.norfacad.pvt.k12.va.us/project/einstein/History.htm Excerpt: In 1894 Einstein's family moved to Milan but Einstein remained in Munich. In 1895 Einstein failed an examination that would have allowed him to study for a diploma as an electrical engineer at the Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule in Zurich. By mid 1901 he had a temporary job as a teacher, teaching mathematics at the Technical High School in Winterthur. Around this time he wrote:- "I have given up the ambition to get to a university ... " http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Einstein.html And Finally, in his own words, Excerpt: "Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment-an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections. " http://www.stcloud.msus.edu/~lesikar/einstein/freethink.html Lets -not- rewrite history to appease the "Moral Majority", Who are most likely NEITHER. > Hmm, if we're not careful our list will degrade from operational to my > relativistic mass is bigger than your pc based relativistic mass:). > > On Fri, > 24 May 2002, Robert Beverly wrote: > > > > > On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Richard Irving wrote: > > > Einstein wouldn't have made it anywhere, without his > > > background in Mathematics that he got from a Prominent Ivy League... > > > > > > Oh.. Shoot, did it again. > > > > > > Have you ever heard the expression "Flat World Thinking" ? > > > > > > Einstein was a Hero to many a Kid, -because- he was self taught. > > > > Einstein graduated from the prestigious Swiss Federal Polytechnic > > college in Zurich. His work on relativity was done afterward, at > > the Swiss Patent office, while folks at Harvard were still searching > > the Ether. > > > > A college degree is certainly not a prerequisite for intelligence, but > > can often provide inspiration, even if that takes the form of a > > dissatisfaction with the prevailing thinking. > > > > Cheers, > > > > rob > >
Re: proposed government regulation of .za namespace
> "I write in my capacity as the person who brought the Internet to > South Africa, that must be mike lawrie. only he has such misplaced arrogance. randy
RE: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Ulevitch Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 2:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems? [deleted] As to being immune to exploits I fail to see how. An exploit is an exploit -- it doesn't need to give you a root shell to accomplish a goal of crashing the packet filter. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong though, when is there a time when a pseudo-halted system is "more secure"? -davidu EXACTLY! Vulnerabilities [especially in socket functions (you still *are* running a routing protocol right?)] can cause arbitrary code to execute irrespective of your current run level. Most people would agree that having to reboot the machine to change/check/edit anything is an unacceptable scenario. Further, how do you filter an attack in real-time? Deepak Jain AiNET
proposed government regulation of .za namespace
http://www.politechbot.com/p-03548.html http://www.namespace.org.za/ Folks, A choice quote (not mine) from the URLs above :- "I write in my capacity as the person who brought the Internet to South Africa, who got permission for the country to use the ZA namespace in November 1990 and who has been the de jure administrator of the ZA namespace since February 1994." It is off-topic by virtue of the name of this list, but I think of general interest to the lists readers. Cheers,Andy!
Contact for UniNet S.A. de C.V. (NETBLK-UNINET-NETBLK-12)
Does anyone have a real contact for UniNet S.A. de C.V. (NETBLK-UNINET-NETBLK-12) ? The email address registered bounces "mailbox full". -Dan -- [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-]
RE: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Rowland, Alan D wrote: > AFAIK standard (non-proprietary) CompactFlash, SmartCards, Memory Stick, et > al, are seen as (removable) storage with typical allowed attributes. I can > set a file/folder/card to 'locked' in my camera but when plugged into the > computer this will show as 'read only.' "read-only" is a filesystem attribute. You can still format the card and kill the filesystem. Not good for a secure router. The only consumer flash card with physical write protect switch is the "Secure Digital" stuff, afaik. -Dan -- [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-]
Re: list problems?
And remember, Einstein probably wasn't right:). I also recall that the popular myth that he failed math classes as a child is cincorrect. Hmm, if we're not careful our list will degrade from operational to my relativistic mass is bigger than your pc based relativistic mass:). On Fri, 24 May 2002, Robert Beverly wrote: > > On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Richard Irving wrote: > > Einstein wouldn't have made it anywhere, without his > > background in Mathematics that he got from a Prominent Ivy League... > > > > Oh.. Shoot, did it again. > > > > Have you ever heard the expression "Flat World Thinking" ? > > > > Einstein was a Hero to many a Kid, -because- he was self taught. > > Einstein graduated from the prestigious Swiss Federal Polytechnic > college in Zurich. His work on relativity was done afterward, at > the Swiss Patent office, while folks at Harvard were still searching > the Ether. > > A college degree is certainly not a prerequisite for intelligence, but > can often provide inspiration, even if that takes the form of a > dissatisfaction with the prevailing thinking. > > Cheers, > > rob >
Need help GigE between Luxn<-->Cisco7500
Hello, We have recently turned up a GigE link (~5 miles) between our two facilities. The carrier, Time W, is using Luxn 3202 optical access devices as termination gear on each end of the link. The luxns in turn connect via GigE to two cisco 7507 GEIP (we know about GEIP vs GEIP+). diagram 10 ft 5 mile 10 ft cisco7507- Lyxn 200===CO=Luxn 1019 --cisco7507-1019 ^^^^^^ ^^^ multi-mode single-mode multi-mode The Cisco 7507 gigE port at 1019 sees alot of Giant packets and %OSPF-4-ERRRCV errors suggesting that the ethernet frames are getting corrupted. MTU on each cisco is 1500 and the link is forced to 1000. We consistently see packet losses of 10-20% with no load at all. If anyone has any experience with Luxn gear and/or Luxn-cisco interconnection please contact me off list. thanks ak -details-- interface GigabitEthernet5/0/0 ip address X.X.X.1 255.255.255.252 ip route-cache distributed load-interval 30 no negotiation auto GigabitEthernet5/0/0 is up, line protocol is up Hardware is cyBus GigabitEthernet Interface, address is 0050.73a0.bda0 Internet address is X.X.X.2/30 MTU 1500 bytes, BW 100 Kbit, DLY 10 usec, reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255 Encapsulation ARPA, loopback not set Keepalive set (10 sec) Full-duplex mode, link type is force-up, media type is SX output flow-control is unsupported, input flow-control is unsupported ARP type: ARPA, ARP Timeout 04:00:00 Last input 00:00:07, output 00:00:01, output hang never Last clearing of "show interface" counters 1d19h Queueing strategy: fifo Output queue 0/40, 0 drops; input queue 0/75, 0 drops 30 second input rate 0 bits/sec, 1 packets/sec 30 second output rate 1000 bits/sec, 1 packets/sec 351887 packets input, 43900564 bytes, 0 no buffer Received 34773 broadcasts, 0 runts, 1028 giants, 0 throttles 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 73419 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored 0 watchdog, 19308 multicast, 0 pause input 0 input packets with dribble condition detected 181113587 packets output, 2653176686 bytes, 0 underruns(0/0/0) 0 output errors, 0 collisions, 3 interface resets 0 babbles, 0 late collision, 0 deferred 2 lost carrier, 0 no carrier, 0 pause output 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?
They did but when you mentioned this I went to look for it and haven't found it. . As I recall this was infact for the nsa but I don't remember the exact application. On Fri, 24 May 2002, Joseph T. Klein wrote: > Didn't National Semiconductor have a spec sheet for write only memory > back in the late 70s or early 80s? > > I think they developed it for the NSA. > > --On Thursday, 23 May 2002 14:53 -0700 Dan Hollis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 23 May 2002, Jason K. Schechner wrote: > >> On Thu, 23 May 2002, Dan Hollis wrote: > >> > On Thu, 23 May 2002, Steven J. Sobol wrote: > >> > > Can you set flash drives to be write-only? > >> > Why would you want to do this? > >> Logging. If a h@xx0r cracks your box he can't erase anything that's > >> already been written there. Often it takes a physical change (jumper, > >> dipswitch, etc) to change from write-only to read-only making it pretty > >> tough for the h@xx0r to cover his steps. > > > > Eh? Setting a flash drive to *write-only* would fix this how? Why would > > anyone want to make a flash drive *write-only*? > > > > -Dan > > -- > > [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-] > > > > > > > > -- > Joseph T. Klein +1 414 628 3380 > Senior Network Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Adelphia Business Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "... the true value of the Internet is its connectedness ..." > -- John W. Stewart III
Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?
>BSD enforces append-only when running proper securelevel. AFAIK, >Linux lacks this attribute, and root can disable the so-called >"immutable" attrib. bsd enforces append only or immutable when the flag is set, not depending on the securelevel. there are "user" and "system" flag sets. the "user" flag set can be turned off and on at any time by either the file's owner or root. the "system" flag set can be set at any time, but can only be removed when the securelevel is less than or equal to zero, and can only be set or cleared by root. -- |-< "CODE WARRIOR" >-| [EMAIL PROTECTED] * "ah! i see you have the internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Brown)that goes *ping*!" [EMAIL PROTECTED] * "information is power -- share the wealth."
RE: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?
Most flash media includes read only 'tabs' similar to the legacy floppy variety. Steven may have hit on an interesting solution here... -Al -Original Message- From: E.B. Dreger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Dan Hollis; Steven J. Sobol; Vinny Abello; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems? JKS> Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:34:29 -0400 (EDT) JKS> From: Jason K. Schechner JKS> > Why would you want to do this? JKS> JKS> Logging. If a h@xx0r cracks your box he can't erase JKS> anything that's already been written there. Often it takes BSD enforces append-only when running proper securelevel. AFAIK, Linux lacks this attribute, and root can disable the so-called "immutable" attrib. JKS> a physical change (jumper, dipswitch, etc) to change from JKS> write-only to read-only making it pretty tough for the JKS> h@xx0r to cover his steps. Why not log to an external bastion host? -- Eddy Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita/(Inter)national Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence ~ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 + (GMT) From: A Trap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature. These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, or you are likely to be blocked.
RE: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?
AFAIK standard (non-proprietary) CompactFlash, SmartCards, Memory Stick, et al, are seen as (removable) storage with typical allowed attributes. I can set a file/folder/card to 'locked' in my camera but when plugged into the computer this will show as 'read only.' Then again, router manufacturers are infamous for jiggering as much as possible to proprietary. Might still be able to 'administer' the card in another machine then install it in the proprietary device but that might void your warranty. :) Hey, they're just protecting their market share, right? Worked for Apple, oh, wait a minute... (/mnt asbestos underwear) Just my 2¢. -Al -Original Message- From: Steven J. Sobol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:39 PM To: Dan Hollis Cc: E.B. Dreger; Vinny Abello; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems? On Thu, 23 May 2002, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Thu, 23 May 2002, Steven J. Sobol wrote: > > On Thu, 23 May 2002, E.B. Dreger wrote: > > > EIDE-based flash drives have become very inexpensive. Some > > > embedded systems use CompactFlash boards. > > Can you set flash drives to be write-only? > > Why would you want to do this? Duh. Sorry about the brainfart. I was about to launch into a long explanation of what I want to do when I realized I wrote "write-only" instead of "read-only." I meant "read-only." Note to self: Engage brain *before* fingers. -- Steve Sobol, CTO (Server Guru, Network Janitor and Head Geek) JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH 888.480.4NET http://JustThe.net "In a 32-bit world, you're a 2-bit user/You've got your own newsgroup: alt.total.loser" - "Weird Al" Yankovic, "It's All About the Pentiums"
Re: list problems?
If you hadn't clipped this, it would have been a non-issue: >> >> >>Is the above meta tag broken, or what ? :P "Petr M. Swedock" wrote: > > GAAH! #!$H$%#@!X&! > > This discussion has left the operational and entered the realm of > baleful minutia and noxious ego-gratification. Please stop, or > take it offline. > > Peace, > > Petr > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://web.mit.edu/petr http://lids.mit.edu > >You can design simply, or you can design for simplicity. >The first requires a fear of complexity only. The second >requires an understanding of complexity. Choice is yours > > > >
Re: list problems?
: : Richard Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : : : Note the expression "-background- in Mathematics". : : While Einstein -later- graduated from SFP, please realize that : that Einstein had problems in School... "Wild Duck" comes to mind, : but the end result was that he then later -Taught Himself- : Calculus and -then- Boot strapped himself into his future career. : : I still stand on the point. BTW, Benet had a degree or two, : as well... As does Vixie, now and Stallman. GAAH! #!$H$%#@!X&! This discussion has left the operational and entered the realm of baleful minutia and noxious ego-gratification. Please stop, or take it offline. Peace, Petr -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://web.mit.edu/petr http://lids.mit.edu You can design simply, or you can design for simplicity. The first requires a fear of complexity only. The second requires an understanding of complexity. Choice is yours
Re: list problems?
Note the expression "-background- in Mathematics". While Einstein -later- graduated from SFP, please realize that that Einstein had problems in School... "Wild Duck" comes to mind, but the end result was that he then later -Taught Himself- Calculus and -then- Boot strapped himself into his future career. I still stand on the point. BTW, Benet had a degree or two, as well... As does Vixie, now and Stallman. But the Wild Ducks often "catch a wave" before age 33... and may or may not have time for niceties. Degrees often seem to come laterpost mortem, when they have more time, get a little older, and things settle down. And, more often than not, are awarded honorary degrees for the result of their work while riding the wave. Like I said -lead- the pack. Is the above meta tag broken, or what ? Robert Beverly wrote: > > On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Richard Irving wrote: > > Einstein wouldn't have made it anywhere, without his > > background in Mathematics that he got from a Prominent Ivy League... > > > > Oh.. Shoot, did it again. > > > > Have you ever heard the expression "Flat World Thinking" ? > > > > Einstein was a Hero to many a Kid, -because- he was self taught. > > Einstein graduated from the prestigious Swiss Federal Polytechnic > college in Zurich. His work on relativity was done afterward, at > the Swiss Patent office, while folks at Harvard were still searching > the Ether. > > A college degree is certainly not a prerequisite for intelligence, but > can often provide inspiration, even if that takes the form of a > dissatisfaction with the prevailing thinking. > > Cheers, > > rob
Re: list problems?
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Richard Irving wrote: > Einstein wouldn't have made it anywhere, without his > background in Mathematics that he got from a Prominent Ivy League... > > Oh.. Shoot, did it again. > > Have you ever heard the expression "Flat World Thinking" ? > > Einstein was a Hero to many a Kid, -because- he was self taught. Einstein graduated from the prestigious Swiss Federal Polytechnic college in Zurich. His work on relativity was done afterward, at the Swiss Patent office, while folks at Harvard were still searching the Ether. A college degree is certainly not a prerequisite for intelligence, but can often provide inspiration, even if that takes the form of a dissatisfaction with the prevailing thinking. Cheers, rob
Re: Technical Contact and Network Solutions (now Verisign)
Unnamed Administration sources reported that Lionel said: > > > On Fri, 24 May 2002 09:23:15 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [standard Netsol/Verisign incomptetance snipped] > > >I was hoping that someone might have a contact over a Verisign Engineering > >that could help us out... > > Phoning them has been known to work, but the probability is on a par > with that of having a rain of live frogs. The industry-standard solution > to this problem is to yank your domains out from under them & put them > somewhere else, then to ignore all the fake 'invoices' they send you > afterwards. The proven alternative contact approach is just sue them. This seems to penetrate to a level where you can get a response. It's a pity it's needed but -- A host is a host from coast to [EMAIL PROTECTED] & no one will talk to a host that's close[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead20915-1433
Re: Technical Contact and Network Solutions (now Verisign)
On Fri, 24 May 2002 09:23:15 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [standard Netsol/Verisign incomptetance snipped] >I was hoping that someone might have a contact over a Verisign Engineering >that could help us out... Phoning them has been known to work, but the probability is on a par with that of having a rain of live frogs. The industry-standard solution to this problem is to yank your domains out from under them & put them somewhere else, then to ignore all the fake 'invoices' they send you afterwards. -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them."Perna condita delenda est ---^^---
Technical Contact and Network Solutions (now Verisign)
Good Morning: I was wondering, does anyone have a technical contact over at Verisign? We have a couple of domain names that we are trying to change the information on, and we are having technical problems changing the information (ie: which domain servers it should point to). I've called it into Verisign technical support earlier in the week, and they said "We have to send this over to engineering", and well, that's the last I've heard of it..everytime I call Verisign customer support, I get the same line "It's been sent over to engineering, and we can't find the status". I was hoping that someone might have a contact over a Verisign Engineering that could help us out... Thanks Spencer Spencer Wood, Network Manager Ohio Department Of Transportation 1320 Arthur E. Adams Drive Columbus, Ohio 43221 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 614.644.5422/Fax: 614.887.4021/Pager: 866.591.9954 *
Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?
Unnamed Administration sources reported that Joseph T. Klein said: > > > > Didn't National Semiconductor have a spec sheet for write only memory > back in the late 70s or early 80s? > > I think they developed it for the NSA. Not exactly. As I recall, National or maybe Signetics had a run of FUBAR chips. So they gave them xxxNFG part numbers, and had a data sheet made for "Write Only Memory". The AN showed it being used as an electronic bitbucket, etc. This was in 1971 or 72. If you ordered the data sheet/sample; you likely also got a set of Groucho glasses so "you can sneak into the office even if your colleagues find out" A friend has the data sheet, and maybe still the glasses/nose. -- A host is a host from coast to [EMAIL PROTECTED] & no one will talk to a host that's close[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead20915-1433
Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?
Though I might lend a comment here. I have had alot of experience with PC based routers, starting around 96, and getting majorly into it around 98 or so. To give you an idea. No moving parts except cooling fans. Main drive is an IDE style SanDisk flash drive. System goes through a multistage boot. System start, loads initial startup code into boot ramdisk. System mounts a partition on the flash read-only System creates soon to be / ramdisk and uncompresses final fs image to it System copies stored configs from flash to /etc on second ramdisk System unmounts flash and remounts rootfs to second ramdisk System frees first ramdisk System finishes boot This was of course a totally custom Linux distrib, with a set of config tools for manipulation of the boot config (The flash stores 2 operational config archives, 2 operational fs images and one recovery config and fs image.) The system would automagicly boot the primary config, on failure boot the secondary, on failure boot the recovery image. Boot image and config set selectable at boot via serial console. This allowed us to load a make config updates to the primary config, while saving the working configs to the secondary, and to handle fs image updates properly (can always drop back to last known working copy). Worst case the recovery image can reload from backup via the network in a matter of seconds. The base platform was a K6-3 450Mhz, giving us a 64k L1 and 256K L2 cache running at 450Mhz, and a 1M L3 at 100Mhz. Given 256M SDRAM for main memory (4 way interleave) and using 64MB for the rootfs with the distro specificly designed to run in a ram only environ everything worked well (especially without IDE bus interrupts screwing with things). The only time it touched flash was during boot, and when updating or backing up config or fs images. We used (and sold) many of these boxes as a 7200 replacement. A 7206VXR is at best a 300Mhz MIPS box with a 33Mhz PCI bus. Both the PC and the Linux box top out at just under 400Mbit over the main bus, but the Linux box had *alot* of CPU left over to run filters, logging, multiview BGP and CBQ. It was nice to have a box capable of BGP, OSPF, RSVP, filtering, CBQ, IP rewrites and NAT at 300Mbit+ with SSH and serial console access, costing < 10,000$USD with 2 x DS3 and 4 x 100Mbit-FDX ethernet in mid 1999, considering a 7200 cost 3 times that (with interfaces and memory), and was pretty weak as far as SSH, CBQ and NAT support went (As well as having issues with NWAY and FastEtherChannel trunking). If one is being used at the network core where filtering is not done there is some fastpath magic that can easily take the box up to about 800Mbit aggregate. Using multiport ether cards with 4 interfaces per on there own PCI sub bus it gets fun. Given the right card and driver and assuming you group your traffic it gets interesting. Only the IP headers cross the main bus, the payloads go direct card to card, if it is within the same iface group it never touches the main PCI bus. This was in late 1998. We also did some work with single and dual CPU 21264 as well as Ultra AXMP+ systems for the 64bit 66mhz PCI bus. We were very happy with the performance (1.5 - 2.0 Gbit/sec aggregate while running full filters and CBQ on a dual 21264 w/ 768 meg mem) but at the time was a bit high. These days a dual Athlon MB with 4 64bit 66Mhz PCI slots is < 350$USD... So, the easy rule? A 500Mhz *quality* PC booting from flash to ram can replace a 7206VXR. Up to quad DS3/Quad 100Mbit ether is fine. Your overall bandwidth limit is about the same, but at that bandwidth you can do a hell of alot more work (think stateful filters, CBQ, IP rewrites or IPSEC), as the limit is the PCI bus your have CPU and memory bandwidth to burn. Alot of this was R&D for product sales and ISP operations at a previous employer, and there are still boxes sitting around handling (for example) DS3 x 2 + 100Mbit x 4, 3 full views (each DS3 to seperate provider, 2 x 100Mbit-FDX EtherChannel link to a 7200 peer/backup, and 2 x 2 x 100Mbit-FDX EtherChannel link to a catalyst 2429XL for a server cluster and dialin hardware) Its 7200 peer dies now and again due to CPU overload from route flap/etc, never had any trouble with the LinuxRouter. Been in place since late 99 or so. At my current place I end up working with 2 port bandwidth controllers, and IPSEC VPN boxes. We have been known to produce a pretty slick 100Mbit full duplex bandwidth control box, as well as some neat VPN systems. These days if I want to do more than an OC3 or 2 we grab a Juniper, but if you want to do say IPSEC, a dual Athlon 2000 MP+ w/ 1G PC2100 ECC DDR and a Syskonnect 64bit/66Mhz GigE card is ~ 2,000$USD. It can do alot of work... Creating the initial distro, writing the CLI linking all the daemon config/etc and know what interrupt timers and packet timers to tweak takes skill. Just using one is easy. -- I route, therefore you are.
Re: Routers vs. PC's for routing - was list problems?
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 12:54:57PM -0700, Scott Granados wrote: > As are f5 proeducts including bigip, 3dns and hmmm they make something > else I forget:). > > On Thu, 23 May 2002, Brian wrote: > > > bsd kernel eh? i believe netapp filers are based on that as well. Indeed - bigIP is BSDI aka BSD/OS based, netapp uses NetBSD code. Greetz, Peter -- huk ~ kek
