AW: Dual rackmountable power supply?

2005-04-22 Thread John van Oppen

APC makes one, but it is a 1U device...   IT does give you SNMP monitoring of 
the status of both circuits though, which is a rather cool feature.

I have a similar situation at one of our POPs which is why I ended up needing 
the product.

Thanks,
John van Oppen
PocketiNet Communications



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Von: Mike Sawicki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:34 PM
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Do any of you know if there are companies who manufacture 1/2U rackmountable 
PDU's that take AC from redundant sources?  I have equipment at a colo that 
seems to have issues with one of the two circuits in my cabinets about once a 
month.  Since it would be a real pain in the neck for me to retrofit every 
server with dual-ps, I was thinking this could be a possible middle-of-the-road 
solution. Thanks.
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Mike Sawicki ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


Re: Dual rackmountable power supply?

2005-04-22 Thread william(at)elan.net

Without 1-1 transformer and complex switching circuitry you really can't 
do safe switching from one to the other. That pretty much means any such 
device would be just as complex or more so as UPS, but less safe. So I 
think your best bet is to decide if your power problems last long and if 
they dont last more then several minutes and then just use regular UPS or 
if its bigger problem, then use UPS that can accept redundant power sources.

For servers with redundant power supply its quite different because they 
do provide power to the board from multiple sources and each one is 
already DC so its not a problem to switch quickly then.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Mike Sawicki wrote:
Do any of you know if there are companies who manufacture 1/2U
rackmountable PDU's that take AC from redundant sources?  I have
equipment at a colo that seems to have issues with one of the two
circuits in my cabinets about once a month.  Since it would be a
real pain in the neck for me to retrofit every server with dual-ps,
I was thinking this could be a possible middle-of-the-road solution.
Thanks.
--
Mike Sawicki ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


Re: Dual rackmountable power supply?

2005-04-22 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 23.04.2005 00:33 Mike Sawicki wrote
Do any of you know if there are companies who manufacture 1/2U
rackmountable PDU's that take AC from redundant sources?  I have
equipment at a colo that seems to have issues with one of the two
circuits in my cabinets about once a month.  Since it would be a
real pain in the neck for me to retrofit every server with dual-ps,
I was thinking this could be a possible middle-of-the-road solution.
Thanks.
Have a look at APC 
(http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=14&ISOCountryCode=us)


Arnold
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Re: Dual rackmountable power supply?

2005-04-22 Thread alex

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Mike Sawicki wrote:

> Do any of you know if there are companies who manufacture 1/2U
> rackmountable PDU's that take AC from redundant sources?  I have
> equipment at a colo that seems to have issues with one of the two
> circuits in my cabinets about once a month.  Since it would be a real
> pain in the neck for me to retrofit every server with dual-ps, I was
> thinking this could be a possible middle-of-the-road solution. Thanks.
This is called a "Static Transfer Switch". (Sometimes "automatic transfer 
switch", particularly for smaller units). Number of companies make small 
ones:

http://www.baytechdcd.com/cgi-private/showprod?prod=F5-RPC
http://www.baytechdcd.com/cgi-private/showprod?prod=ATS12-30
http://twinsource.net/
http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=14
http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt230/sts/psts/stsa.htm





Dual rackmountable power supply?

2005-04-22 Thread Mike Sawicki

Do any of you know if there are companies who manufacture 1/2U
rackmountable PDU's that take AC from redundant sources?  I have
equipment at a colo that seems to have issues with one of the two
circuits in my cabinets about once a month.  Since it would be a
real pain in the neck for me to retrofit every server with dual-ps,
I was thinking this could be a possible middle-of-the-road solution.
Thanks.
--
Mike Sawicki ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


RE: Dual rackmountable power supply?

2005-04-22 Thread Hannigan, Martin




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> To: Mike Sawicki
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> 
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Mike Sawicki wrote:
> 
> > Do any of you know if there are companies who manufacture 1/2U
> > rackmountable PDU's that take AC from redundant sources?  I have
> > equipment at a colo that seems to have issues with one of the two
> > circuits in my cabinets about once a month.  Since it would 
> be a real
> > pain in the neck for me to retrofit every server with dual-ps, I was
> > thinking this could be a possible middle-of-the-road 
> solution. Thanks.
> This is called a "Static Transfer Switch". (Sometimes 
> "automatic transfer 
> switch", particularly for smaller units). Number of companies 
> make small 
> ones:
> 
> http://www.baytechdcd.com/cgi-private/showprod?prod=F5-RPC
> http://www.baytechdcd.com/cgi-private/showprod?prod=ATS12-30
> http://twinsource.net/
> http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=14
> http://www.mgeups.com/products/pdt230/sts/psts/stsa.htm


I don't think you can place these on the pointy side
of conditioned power. They require utility, IIRC,
which means you also need to add in some UPS for the front
side to make it work right since utility will tend to take 
'switch hits' during peak as the utility moves load around. 

WRT to the flapping power circuit, blind guess, ask your
colo provider to measure the load at your breaker and if
it's fine then swap the strip and chords (twistlock or not)
back to the first JB.


-M<




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