Re: Cisco quality
Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > > On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 01:08:08AM -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote: > > > > For those saying Cisco is so great, it's still fucked up pretty bad. IOS > > 12.1 and later doesn't allow an MTU > 1460 on L2TP, while 12.0.7(T) works > > fine with a 1492 MTU that my PPPoE customers expect. ... > > If thats the worst Cisco bug you've got, you are the luckiest man on the > face of the earth. Everyone has bugs, but Cisco has better excuses to go > along with them. :) http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/471/l2tp_mtu_tuning.html - Mark > > -- > Richard A Steenbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras > PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
Re: Cisco quality
Thus spake "Rob Healey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If C brand worked properly as shipped how would Cisco support > services and other consultancys survive? > > It's a MUCH bigger market in consulting services and > Rent-a-Expert than the initial hardware/firmware sales. According to Cisco's last financial results call, services account for 17% of revenue. That's not quite a rounding error, but to say Cisco intentionally ships bad hw/sw to collect on services (or for others to do so) is way off the mark. There are lots of services still necessary even when the sw/hw works as advertised. Training, Planning, Design, Implementation, Operations, etc. just like any other industry. Needing an architect and civil engineer to build a skyscraper isn't a fault of the steel mill. S
Re: Cisco quality
> For those saying Cisco is so great, it's still fucked up pretty bad. IOS > 12.1 and later doesn't allow an MTU > 1460 on L2TP, while 12.0.7(T) works > fine with a 1492 MTU that my PPPoE customers expect. Every rev I've tried > from 12.0 and up has problems with CEF when using ISL VLAN sub-interfaces, > and without CEF, mac-accounting is screwed up. > If C brand worked properly as shipped how would Cisco support services and other consultancys survive? It's a MUCH bigger market in consulting services and Rent-a-Expert than the initial hardware/firmware sales. If Cisco shipped mostly working product then thousands of high paying jobs would be lost and probably a billion or more support dollars would never make the rounds in the economy. Microsoft and Cisco do the tech industry a HUGE favor by shipping misfunctional equipment/software to which consulting services and professional services can then step in and hawk their wares/bodys/solutions. If Cisco and Microsoft shipped properly working product the tech industry/economy would probably disintegrate! Once you understand the above, the technical industry starts to make a little more sense; its consulting and professional support services that drive the economy and not properly functioning gear! -Rob
Re: Cisco quality
On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 01:08:08AM -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote: > > For those saying Cisco is so great, it's still fucked up pretty bad. IOS > 12.1 and later doesn't allow an MTU > 1460 on L2TP, while 12.0.7(T) works > fine with a 1492 MTU that my PPPoE customers expect. Every rev I've tried > from 12.0 and up has problems with CEF when using ISL VLAN sub-interfaces, > and without CEF, mac-accounting is screwed up. If thats the worst Cisco bug you've got, you are the luckiest man on the face of the earth. Everyone has bugs, but Cisco has better excuses to go along with them. :) -- Richard A Steenbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
RE: Cisco quality
> For those saying Cisco is so great, it's still fucked up > pretty bad. IOS > 12.1 and later doesn't allow an MTU > 1460 on L2TP, while > 12.0.7(T) works > fine with a 1492 MTU that my PPPoE customers expect. Every > rev I've tried > from 12.0 and up has problems with CEF when using ISL VLAN > sub-interfaces, > and without CEF, mac-accounting is screwed up. > > Now if they charged 1/5th of what they do, I'd say you're getting > reasonable value for your dollar... I believe this is an operational issue list and not a flame / bash Cisco list. Instead of looking at the glass half full, look at it as half empty and look at how far IOS has come in the past two years. Sure they have some bugs and shortcomings, but if you think anyone else out there is any better at this game, drop Cisco and go with them. Or maybe the best thing to do is keep pushing your TAC case until they resolve the problem and relate your problems to open cases on the bug tracker. IMHO if you look at IOS as a whole and compare the good with the bad, it's hardly "fucked up pretty bad". -- Robert Blayzor, BOFH INOC, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your mouse has moved. Windows NT must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? [ OK ]
