Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
In a message written on Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 11:33:59AM -0400, Randy Bush wrote: > it is easy to generate a lot of bytes. it is hard to generate > content. this list is a rekknown example. Content is in the eye of the viewer. While you may have no use for a spiffy new camera phone, and e-mailing video clips to each other a teenager might value having an e-mail account not provided by their parents where friends can send all the video clips they want without running out of disk space. Just because you use a text e-mail client and don't like your e-mail HTML formatted with 250kb JPEG's as signatures doesn't make you part of the majority (at least, of e-mail users). Sadly, far too many people want to send an HTML formatted message, with embedded company logos and graphical signatures attaching videos, or various Microsoft Office formatted documents (if you want to give it a business spin). To the users, that is all content. To you it is likely bloat. I know many corporate e-mail users (eg, account execs, sending flashy proposals) who would blow through a gigabyte of e-mail in under a month. While I never want such trash to appear in my e-mail box, as a provider of network services I take great pleasure that people want to do that to their e-mail, because in the end it is more bits moving across my network. If google helps people send bigger e-mails, with more attachments and more graphics and so on good for them! More bits for all of us to bill. -- Leo Bicknell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.tmbg.org pgp3mtp61M9Jq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
>>> Why wait for Gmail when you can get max 10M messages and 1G >>> total from rediff.com ? >> how american of us. i doubt there uas been 1G of *real content* >> in my email for the last two decades. > Given increasing mailbox size, I'm sure it won't take a genius to > find out how to stretch MIME to its limits wrt just how much > active and multimedia rich content can be crammed into an email. it is easy to generate a lot of bytes. it is hard to generate content. this list is a rekknown example. randy
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
On 2004-06-21, Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> A question out of focusing, who know when Google will open Gmail to >>> public? >> Why wait for Gmail when you can get max 10M messages and 1G total from >> rediff.com ? > > how american of us. i doubt there uas been 1G of *real content* in my > email for the last two decades. Reminds me of that (apocryphal) Bill Gates quote about how 640K RAM ought to be enough for anyone. If people still only sent email with SNDMSG or even /bin/mail there wouldn't be all this need for six MB mailboxes, let alone 1 GB. Given increasing mailbox size, I'm sure it won't take a genius to find out how to stretch MIME to its limits wrt just how much active and multimedia rich content can be crammed into an email. srs
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > how american of us. i doubt there uas been 1G of *real content* in > my email for the last two decades. I never delete "real" mail. Slightly over one decade is approaching about 700MB of mail. I'd have expected you to have a much larger mail volume than myself, so 1GB in two decades should be easy. -- In an expanding universe, time is on the side of the outcast. Those who once inhabited the suburbs of human contempt find that without changing their address they eventually live in the metropolis. - Quentin Crisp
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 16:43, Randy Bush wrote: > >> A question out of focusing, who know when Google will open Gmail to > >> public? > > Why wait for Gmail when you can get max 10M messages and 1G total from > > rediff.com ? > > how american of us. i doubt there uas been 1G of *real content* in my > email for the last two decades. How else can you build up the largest spam folder in the world, harddisks are so extremely expensive today. I really wonder what the use for these freemail things is actually. Except for the 'I can be mostly anonymous' part. As one isn't paying, when the service goes down or crashes or deletes your mail or whatever, there is nothing to demand that you get your 1 Gigabyte of email back. I rather pay for a service and know that my email is in good hands and also is backupped correctly and works(tm). The argument for 'I need more than one address' isn't doable either as most ISP's will give one a zillion aliases if one requests them. Then again those are usually with a ~20mb max and that is on the small side. Also on the '1G in 20 years' front, remember that many people think that using images (BMP's ;) and HTML and crap is 'email' while they are actually sending websites over SMTP... Greets, Jeroen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
--On 21 June 2004 10:43 -0400 Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why wait for Gmail when you can get max 10M messages and 1G total from rediff.com ? how american of us. i doubt there uas been 1G of *real content* in my email for the last two decades. I'm trying to work out whether in the last two decades I've ever received a non-local email smaller than 100 bytes. Even your gnomic insights exceed this with headers. Alex
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
>> A question out of focusing, who know when Google will open Gmail to >> public? > Why wait for Gmail when you can get max 10M messages and 1G total from > rediff.com ? how american of us. i doubt there uas been 1G of *real content* in my email for the last two decades. randy
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
Joe Shen wrote: A question out of focusing, who know when Google will open Gmail to public? Why wait for Gmail when you can get max 10M messages and 1G total from rediff.com ? Pete
Re: Comcast east coast issues (was Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?)
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Adam Rothschild wrote: > > On 2004-06-20-19:54:30, "Christopher L. Morrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > do you have another channel to email the support aliases for the > > sites noted? Perhaps they are unaware of their 'issue' at this time? > > If you have then excellent, if you have not remember it's sometimes > > difficult to see a user's problem from the server side of the fence > > I'd normally agree that NANOG isn't the best place for airing dirty > laundry concerning one's residential broadband connection, but this is I'm pretty sure all I asked was: "did you try emailing yahoo to report a problem, most likely via some other email provider since you are having issues with yahoo" Oh well, perhaps it's just mtu issues :)
Comcast east coast issues (was Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?)
On 2004-06-20-19:54:30, "Christopher L. Morrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > do you have another channel to email the support aliases for the > sites noted? Perhaps they are unaware of their 'issue' at this time? > If you have then excellent, if you have not remember it's sometimes > difficult to see a user's problem from the server side of the fence I'd normally agree that NANOG isn't the best place for airing dirty laundry concerning one's residential broadband connection, but this is far more widespread than one might first think, maybe even bordering on operationally relevant. And of course, the standard support channels you speak of are less than closed in. I've spoken to some large-ish content hosts who've been receiving a slew of support tickets from Comcast customers in the Northern New Jersey and Philadelphia metro areas, unable to access their sites, beginning at or around last Friday. I've done a little digging of my own, and it appears as though there's some MTU/MSS-related weirdness going on. If anybody from Comcast is listening, feel free to ping me offline for more details... -a
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
As mail.yahoo.com directs incoming login/mail_box_accessing request to some other host, the long latency of DNS resolution time may derive to timeout of webpage access. I solve this problem by set those name-to-ip record in /etc/hosts before ( a bad choice, :-() A question out of focusing, who know when Google will open Gmail to public? regards joe On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:54 , Mike Sawicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 09:22:33PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Matthew McGehrin wrote: > > 4 srp-8-1-ar01.verona.nj.nj01.comcast.net (68.87.47.193) 12.870 ms 9.725 ms > > 5 pos-7-0-cr01.plainfield.nj.core.comcast.net (68.87.19.253) 9.891 ms 8.937 ms > > 6 12.118.149.5 (12.118.149.5) 10.761 ms 10.216 ms > > Comcast offers toll-free customer assistance for all of its paying > customers. Have you tried contacting them? The number is on your > bill every month. Yes, try calling them. You *might* get through. These days they seem to hang up on about 1 of 3 customers who call in. I've been back on their "High Speed Internet" for about 3 months now and it seems to be getting worse every day. They are either overselling, or this new wholly-owned network of theirs is built very wrong. Honestly though.. if you use your home 'Net connection for anything important, I'd look for an alternative. I routinely have 19ms to my next hop.. about 4 miles away. I happen to have Verona and Plainfield directly in front of me as well.. I think it's our area. cheers, -- Mike Sawicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Msg sent via Spymac Mail - http://www.spymac.com
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 09:22:33PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Matthew McGehrin wrote: > > 4 srp-8-1-ar01.verona.nj.nj01.comcast.net (68.87.47.193) 12.870 ms 9.725 ms > > 5 pos-7-0-cr01.plainfield.nj.core.comcast.net (68.87.19.253) 9.891 ms 8.937 ms > > 6 12.118.149.5 (12.118.149.5) 10.761 ms 10.216 ms > > Comcast offers toll-free customer assistance for all of its paying > customers. Have you tried contacting them? The number is on your > bill every month. Yes, try calling them. You *might* get through. These days they seem to hang up on about 1 of 3 customers who call in. I've been back on their "High Speed Internet" for about 3 months now and it seems to be getting worse every day. They are either overselling, or this new wholly-owned network of theirs is built very wrong. Honestly though.. if you use your home 'Net connection for anything important, I'd look for an alternative. I routinely have 19ms to my next hop.. about 4 miles away. I happen to have Verona and Plainfield directly in front of me as well.. I think it's our area. cheers, -- Mike Sawicki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Matthew McGehrin wrote: > 4 srp-8-1-ar01.verona.nj.nj01.comcast.net (68.87.47.193) 12.870 ms 9.725 ms > 5 pos-7-0-cr01.plainfield.nj.core.comcast.net (68.87.19.253) 9.891 ms 8.937 ms > 6 12.118.149.5 (12.118.149.5) 10.761 ms 10.216 ms Comcast offers toll-free customer assistance for all of its paying customers. Have you tried contacting them? The number is on your bill every month.
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Matthew McGehrin wrote: > > And BTW, I'm not the only Comcast user having trouble. It's been about 20 > posts from others on DSLREPORTS with the same issue, so its clear there is a > problem and it needs to be resolved. do you have another channel to email the support aliases for the sites noted? Perhaps they are unaware of their 'issue' at this time? If you have then excellent, if you have not remember it's sometimes difficult to see a user's problem from the server side of the fence :( Just a suggestion, since it appears to be working for me at this time (I had to create an account, but it all worked well enough from the fUUNET network atleast, where I see if via level3) -Chris
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
Thanks for reading my message. I clearly stated I was having issues accessing the site, and not ping or traceroute related. I provided them just incase you needed them. And BTW, I'm not the only Comcast user having trouble. It's been about 20 posts from others on DSLREPORTS with the same issue, so its clear there is a problem and it needs to be resolved. - Original Message - From: "Elvedin Trnjanin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Matthew McGehrin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 7:12 PM Subject: Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately? > 20 ms is not slow. It could be an issue on your end or perhaps the extra > latency is due to the increase in popularity of these two e-mail services > recently.
Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
Matt, GMail seems OK to me - i'm on a nac.net line. -- Jonathan - Original Message - From: Matthew McGehrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:30:13 -0400 Subject: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ever since the 'Akamai' Incident, Yahoo Mail hasn't been the same. I can ping to it just fine, I just can't login and read my yahoo mail. When I can it's really slow. Ever since the Upgrades and the Akamai incident, Yahoo has been really out of whack when accessing from Comcast. I'm also having issues with Gmail. But atleast gmail Isn't as bad, just really slow. ping mail.yahoo.com PING login.yahoo.akadns.net (216.109.127.60): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=0 ttl=241 time=18.868 ms 64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=1 ttl=241 time=20.032 ms 64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=2 ttl=241 time=18.874 ms 64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=3 ttl=241 time=20.956 ms 64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=4 ttl=241 time=19.990 ms ^C --- login.yahoo.akadns.net ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 18.868/19.744/20.956/0.792 ms 4 srp-8-1-ar01.verona.nj.nj01.comcast.net (68.87.47.193) 12.870 ms 9.725 ms 5 pos-7-0-cr01.plainfield.nj.core.comcast.net (68.87.19.253) 9.891 ms 8.937 ms 6 12.118.149.5 (12.118.149.5) 10.761 ms 10.216 ms 7 tbr2-p014001.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.14) 11.121 ms 19.033 ms 8 ggr2-p390.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.62) 10.752 ms 11.037 ms 9 so-1-0-0.edge1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.5) 10.067 ms 21.489 ms 10 ge-2-1-0.bbr2.NewYork1.Level3.net (64.159.4.149) 9.882 ms 10.297 ms 11 as-1-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net (64.159.1.86) 17.708 ms 18.743 ms 12 ge-7-2.ipcolo2.Washington1.Level3.net (64.159.18.132) 18.758 ms 18.791 ms 13 unknown.Level3.net (166.90.148.10) 18.932 ms 17.489 ms 14 vl49.bas1-m.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.120.222) 18.643 ms vl33.bas2-m.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.120.154) 23.350 ms 15 alteon2.124.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.124.11) 21.772 ms 20.097 ms Thanks -- Jonathan M. Slivko - [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Linux: The Choice for the GNU Generation" - http://www.linux.org/ - Don't fear the penguin. .^. /V\ /( )\ ^^-^^ He's here to help.
what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
Ever since the 'Akamai' Incident, Yahoo Mail hasn't been the same. I can ping to it just fine, I just can't login and read my yahoo mail. When I can it's really slow. Ever since the Upgrades and the Akamai incident, Yahoo has been really out of whack when accessing from Comcast. I'm also having issues with Gmail. But atleast gmail Isn't as bad, just really slow. ping mail.yahoo.comPING login.yahoo.akadns.net (216.109.127.60): 56 data bytes64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=0 ttl=241 time=18.868 ms64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=1 ttl=241 time=20.032 ms64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=2 ttl=241 time=18.874 ms64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=3 ttl=241 time=20.956 ms64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=4 ttl=241 time=19.990 ms^C--- login.yahoo.akadns.net ping statistics ---5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0% packet lossround-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 18.868/19.744/20.956/0.792 ms 4 srp-8-1-ar01.verona.nj.nj01.comcast.net (68.87.47.193) 12.870 ms 9.725 ms 5 pos-7-0-cr01.plainfield.nj.core.comcast.net (68.87.19.253) 9.891 ms 8.937 ms 6 12.118.149.5 (12.118.149.5) 10.761 ms 10.216 ms 7 tbr2-p014001.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.14) 11.121 ms 19.033 ms 8 ggr2-p390.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.62) 10.752 ms 11.037 ms 9 so-1-0-0.edge1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.5) 10.067 ms 21.489 ms10 ge-2-1-0.bbr2.NewYork1.Level3.net (64.159.4.149) 9.882 ms 10.297 ms11 as-1-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net (64.159.1.86) 17.708 ms 18.743 ms12 ge-7-2.ipcolo2.Washington1.Level3.net (64.159.18.132) 18.758 ms 18.791 ms13 unknown.Level3.net (166.90.148.10) 18.932 ms 17.489 ms14 vl49.bas1-m.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.120.222) 18.643 ms vl33.bas2-m.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.120.154) 23.350 ms15 alteon2.124.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.124.11) 21.772 ms 20.097 ms Thanks
