Re: Log in to YORK Libraries
In a mad moment - Dave Lawton mumbled : > On Mon, 8 February, 2016 4:23 pm, Bryn Evans wrote: >> In a mad moment - Rob Kendrick mumbled : >> >>> On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 03:27:40PM +, Bryn Evans wrote: >>>> Go to https://exploreyork.org.uk (which seems to take about 8sec >>>> to load a largish Welcome page) and try to get the 'Log In' >>>> or the 'My Account' (top right) to produce a 'Log In' window. >>>> >>>> There should be a USER entry writable and PIN one below but I never >>>> get that far. >> >>> >> onclick="com_sirsi_ent_login.loginFirst();" href="#">Log In >> >>> It requires both JavaScript and on-the-fly modification of the DOM. >> >>> So no, not yet. >> >> Thanks for that. It is as I feared, they are being too clever. >> I tackled their IT dept last year about the Linux fail (same symptoms) >> and got a blank look that could be taken as "what the hell IS Linux?" >> > Not much of an IT dept then :( > You do get the login box as described with Firefox ESR > 38.6 on OpenSUSE 64 bit Linux (other dists available) Yes, I can get that far with my elderly EEEPC (Linux) but in this case as soon as I enter the details the link is broken. This, I believe, is due to out dated security Certificates in the EEEPC. Now that NetSurf is working OK on the Pi Zero I can risk trying a complete install of a new Linux distribution then see what happens. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: Log in to YORK Libraries
In a mad moment - Rob Kendrick mumbled : > On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 03:27:40PM +0000, Bryn Evans wrote: >> Go to https://exploreyork.org.uk (which seems to take about 8sec >> to load a largish Welcome page) and try to get the 'Log In' >> or the 'My Account' (top right) to produce a 'Log In' window. >> >> There should be a USER entry writable and PIN one below but I never >> get that far. > onclick="com_sirsi_ent_login.loginFirst();" href="#">Log In > It requires both JavaScript and on-the-fly modification of the DOM. > So no, not yet. Thanks for that. It is as I feared, they are being too clever. I tackled their IT dept last year about the Linux fail (same symptoms) and got a blank look that could be taken as "what the hell IS Linux?" -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Log in to YORK Libraries
About two years ago the City of York Library on line system stopped allowing me to log in from RiscOS machines, after they had "Improved" their system. A little later Linux also failed. I gave up trying as there was now an Android slab that did the job. Now that NetSurf #3355 works so well on the Pi Zero I was wondering if some kind person would look at the structure of the York page to see if (as I fear) it has been Improved out of site, or is there still a tinker needed to the otherwise now very responsive NS. Go to https://exploreyork.org.uk (which seems to take about 8sec to load a largish Welcome page) and try to get the 'Log In' or the 'My Account' (top right) to produce a 'Log In' window. There should be a USER entry writable and PIN one below but I never get that far. Thanks to anyone who will try this. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Excellant Work with release 3355
Just a word of thanks and praise for the developers. I only try the latest builds now and again, but following your push towards a new Release, I have just tried this one #3355. It worked OK on my RiscPC RiscOS 4.02. Having been given a Pi Zero I thought to give it a try there too. What a difference! Whizzed along at a fair rate of knots,just a quite acceptable two or three second of "Loading, Processing" and the full and sometimes large page was there. Tried on all the sites I used for "OnLine P***ing" around for banking and insurance etc. and all worked to my satisfaction. So once again thank you, I can go back to using RiscOS as my main system once more and updat the ancient EEEPC to a better system without finding myself stranded. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: Big push on testing needed
In a mad moment - Dave ec 20) mumbled : > Big news... > Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates. Yes, a new > release of NetSurf is imminent. > Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will, > of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good > thrashing, and get your bug reports in. Thanks for the update. Using builds 3308 everything seems OK with and without JSript. This is both on RiscPC, RO 4.02 and RaPi (B) RO 5.23 (Dec 20) There is NO Pain! One anomaly has shown up. On the RiscPC, the AMAZON Log In page is fine, but on the RaPi the first box 'mobile or email' is limited to showing only the last 5 characters I enter, making it difficult to spot typos. Again this is the same for both JS on and off. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Download window Fixed - Dev 3222
Thanks to all who worked on this. In fact you have future proofed it for when the GigaByte downloads arrive :)) -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: Not an important bug.
In a mad moment - Dave Higton mumbled : > In message > Bryn Evans wrote: >>In a mad moment - Dave Higton mumbled : >> >>> In message >>> Bryn Evans wrote: >> >> >>>> Since the arrival of the mapping App " !RiscOSM " downloads in the order >>>> of 700Mb are frequent and it is currently not possible to read the the >>>> number of hundreds to go. Adding an extra two digit space, OR changing the >>>> Message " remaining " to " remains " would do it. >> >>> Please raise a Mantis issue for it, which will ensure it gets tracked >>> and dealt with. I see no reason why we shouldn't fix this. >> >>> I want it in the tracker because we're knee deep in another issue at >>> the moment, and I don't want your very reasonable request to get >>> forgotten due to pressure of other stuff. >> >>Thanks - I logged it yesterday > I've uploaded a fix. We just need to wait for it to work its way > into a new build. > Thanks for reporting the issue! That was quick Thank you, I will try the latest build as soon as the opportunity arises. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: Not an important bug.
In a mad moment - Dave Higton mumbled : > In message > Bryn Evans wrote: >> Since the arrival of the mapping App " !RiscOSM " downloads in the order >> of 700Mb are frequent and it is currently not possible to read the the >> number of hundreds to go. Adding an extra two digit space, OR changing the >> Message " remaining " to " remains " would do it. > Please raise a Mantis issue for it, which will ensure it gets tracked > and dealt with. I see no reason why we shouldn't fix this. > I want it in the tracker because we're knee deep in another issue at > the moment, and I don't want your very reasonable request to get > forgotten due to pressure of other stuff. Thanks - I logged it yesterday -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: Not an important bug.
In a mad moment - Ron Briscoe mumbled : > I have not reported this on the bug tracker as it does not affect the running > of NetSurf at all. > The download window in NetSurf is too narrow. That is when downloading > a large > zip for instance only the last one or two digits of the downloaded amount are > shown. E.G. 123.45Mb of 36GB shows only the 45 digits. > As I say not a show stopper, but for the likes of me who enjoys seeing the > download progress figures moving, an irritant ;-). I was about to put in a Request for this problem to be catered for. Since the arrival of the mapping App " !RiscOSM " downloads in the order of 700Mb are frequent and it is currently not possible to read the the number of hundreds to go. Adding an extra two digit space, OR changing the Message " remaining " to " remains " would do it. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: El Reg formats differently these days - why?
In a mad moment - Dave Higton mumbled : > NS used to render The Register in three columns, like other browsers. > Recently it renders with each line of three headings broken over two > lines, with the additional oddity that some single items appear left > justified and some appear centred. Go to http://www.theregister.co.uk > and you'll see. > I thought it was caused by a change to NS, but I just went back to a > version from June (which, I'm sure, is before it started happening), > and it's just the same. > So I have to assume that El Reg have changed their layout in some way. > The HTML is beyond my comprehension. Can anyone else explain what's > going on? it is the same using Firefox and Linux, so i guess they have made a cockup of some change - It happened mid week. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
In a mad moment - Richard Porter mumbled : > Yes. It fails with or without all the images and css. > I've sent you the html source from a full save. Tried the second Sept 30th release and seems ok - RiscPC, StrongArm, RO4·02, 130Mb memory. Subjective observation says very fast, especially with Images. Thanks!! -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: Hotlist
In a mad moment - Dave Symes mumbled : > In article <52a711c566t...@netsurf-browser.org>, >Michael Drake wrote: >> In article <52a70d2281d...@triffid.co.uk>, >>Dave Symes wrote: >>> How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her >>> directories? >>>From the user guide: [snip] >> -- http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/guide#Hotlist > Indeed, thanks > Problem is... She can't drag anything to the bottom of the list where the > directory resides, it is totally unreachable, any part of the icon. > By getting her to drag the directory up the list a few spaces, it becomes > reachable. I noticed this behaviour when the Hotlist was first introduced, and discovered the same workaround. Thinking about it, there would seem to be some advantage if the creation of new Directories took place at the head of the list. (ducks and dons flame proof coat) -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: Speed
In a mad moment - Steve Fryatt mumbled : > On 28 Apr, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote in message > : >> On 28 Apr at 11:26, Steve Fryatt wrote: >> >>> Just download the current build. You can see what rev it's up to from >>> the entries under "Recent SVN Activity" further down the page: as I >>> write this, the latest entry there is still r12243. However, as Richard >>> says, later builds (ie ones with higher 'r' numbers) will still contain >>> the same changes unless one of the developers specifically undoes them >>> again for some reason. >> >> And the last sentence confirms the problem. There is no means of actually >> downloading any specific revision number and instructions to do so are >> plain misleading. Or do I have this wrong? > Why would you want to download r12243 specifically? You were advised to try > r12243: that version or any later one will do[1]. In effect, being told to > "try rX" means -- to all intents and purposes -- "download a new test > build and try it". I have just tried r12243 on an RPC (RO 402)and can confirm the general (subjective) feeling that it is a fair bit faster, except for heavily image laden pages. Great work lads! and Thank You. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: I would like to have a search facility in the hotlist.
In a mad moment - Michael Bell mumbled :
> In message <515c7321aeris...@gotadsl.co.uk>
> Richard Ashbery wrote:
>> In article , Jim Nagel
>> [snip]
>>> * Adjust-drag the new item ("Netsurf hotlist") up to the top of the
>>> list. (sounds like you have a long list, so you might have to
>>> move it up by a windowful at a time -- would help to maximize the
>>> hotlist window.)
>>> now you can just click that "Netsurf hotlist" item at the top of
>>> your hotlist: your hotlist opens in the form of a browser window,
>>> which you can search. QED.
>> Excellent explanation - thanks
>> Richard
> Yes, it works for me too. Now that I've got round to it.
Another way, if you feel up to it, is to make your own browser
Home Page containing several regularly accessed sites, and include
links to the location of any hotlist(s) of browsers on your machine.
I also use a copy of this personal Home Page on my EEE PC.
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Re: NetSurf rendering speed test
In a mad moment - Michael Drake mumbled : > In article > , >Chris Young wrote: >> Please can somebody try accessing the following site in NetSurf and >> tell me how it compares speed-wise to any other page: >> http://www.amigaimpact.org > On RISC OS, scrolling that page is just about as fast and smooth as any > other page. RiscPC 130Mb 4.02 NS r7542 - Slightly faster to load than the register, perfectly smooth scroll - interesting Franglais in some links :) -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: NetSurf Developers at Wakefield 2009
In a mad moment - Robert Greenfield mumbled : > On 25 Apr, Michael Drake wrote: >> ( http://www.netsurf-browser.org/about/team ) > This is a nice addition to the project. > Nice to put a human perspective behind the huge corporate, faceless, > soul-less, money-grabbing ediface that is Netsurf Corp. plc. > ;-) ;-) ;-) > More seriously though, thanks to all of you for creating and developing > such an excellent project. I am particularly pleased to see that it can > work with a number of OSs. Most impressive. They do a nice line in Mints too! -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: Link colour
In a mad moment - John-Mark Bell mumbled : [snip] Re.my suggestion of disabling CSS > LibCSS is a new CSS parser and selection engine. It fixes the issues > with NetSurf's current CSS parser (and many others, besides). It offers > efficient selection of styles for the components in a document and, in > doing so, will bring support for the long-missing CSS pseudo classes and > elements. It will also address the issues of non-CSS presentational > hints once and for all. Thank you for a clear explanation of the problem, and the solutions that you are working towards. Your efforts are STILL very much appreciated. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: Link colour
In a mad moment - Richard Porter mumbled : > On 14 Mar 2009 Tim Hill wrote: >> ... the problem of ignored link body tags can be easily overcome _if_ >> you have control of the web site. > Occasionally I visit sites that I don't have control of. I know it's > dangerous but I can't resist it. :-) >> It's as if, like, they thought "nobody uses body tags" because they're >> deprecated, ain't they? But not when those pages were written, they >> wasn't? A shame so it is that the term deprecated seems misunderstood >> so widely? Innit? A long while ago (2years?) I suggested that the ability for the user to disable CSS via a Choices selection might be a useful feature. Since then a lot of work has advanced things muchly and I had forgotten, until this problem was reported AND diagnosed. Would this be a difficult feature to add now? (I am not a Coder, just a grateful user) -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com
Re: Changing address in the address bar
In a mad moment - David J. Ruck mumbled : >> It's been a requirement of the Style Guide since at least 1993, so >> arguably RISC OS has always behaved this way. > I don't think so. Over typing has only been generally possible (as > opposed to non standard behaviour in specific apps) since copy & paste > in icons was introduced in Select 3 in 2003, 10 years after the style > guide was written. There is a little utility called !Writable that enables overtyping in the URL bar of NetSurf - Sorry I don't know the source offhand. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
R 5650 - Thank You
I have just upgraded to R 5650 and I noticed that the long standing overlapping problem has been solved. Many thanks. The problem was that pages which used Headlines for large or variable text sizes displayed badly, with top and bottom overlaps on successive rows. I have just checked some problem sites and they now display correctly. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
r5283 and Tables
I have just installed this version (r5283) and it works just fine. The peculiar tables behaviour that I reported (by Email) has been fixed. Thanks lads. I knew you would get there in the end ;)) -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Broken tables
In a mad moment - Michael Drake mumbled : > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Paul Vigay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Does anyone know when the broken table code (ie. background colouring >> just repeating the first occurrence) is likely to get fixed. > Could you produce a test case? I have already reported one via Email, as I couldn't get access to the bug tracker at the time. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yesterday once more ?
No - Not the Carpenters ! It's Sunday and my History shows only 'Last Week' and 'Today' Next time some work is done on the History routines could you arrange for 'Yesterday' to always exist. This is not a major problem, it only happens on Sundays when the current week's daily histories are consolidated, but it would be useful if I want to go back to yesterday's (Saturday) browsing. Keep up the good work, I can see from the high rate of release numbers that there is a lot of background development going on. - Thank you all. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NetSurf at Wakefield 2008
In a mad moment - David J. Ruck mumbled : > On 28 Apr 2008 Dr Peter Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I regret that I embarrassed myself by trying to thank the developers, >> only to be met with blank stares. Am I that much of a pariah? :-) > You'll have to forgive them, they don't get out much and struggle with > concepts such as meeting users in the physicality. I walked past, but > they were still all blinking because of the strange daylight stuff :-) It's amazing what the offer of a little Beer/Pizza money will do to bring them out of their shells - ;)) Well done gang, you work is much appreciated. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bryork.com
Re: Hotlist problems
In a mad moment - Richard Sutherland-Smith mumbled : > SA RPC Adjust 4.39 NetSurf 1.1 > A couple of weeks ago all the entries in my Hotlist below the root > entrie, disappeared, so I repoaded them. > Today all my Hotlist disappeared, and the icon in the icon-bar is now > grey. > If I click on the Hotlist file in > !Boot.choices.Users.Single.WWW.NetSurf > I get a NetSurf window saying, "Empty Document, The document sent by > the server is empty" I am not sure what causes this - possibly when ns crashes and quits. It is worth while making a backup copy of the Netsurf Choices Directory and copying into it about once a week. This will give you a recovery route for the history, hotlist and cookies. Check that some content does exist in the working files first of course ;) -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bryork.com
Re: Financial help?
In a mad moment - John-Mark Bell mumbled : > It is for exactly this reason that we've only taken donations at shows on > the basis that the money raised is used to cover the costs we incur Doh - There was I, thinking I was giving you Beer Money! -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bryork.com
Re: Bad redirect URL
In a mad moment - John-Mark Bell mumbled : >>Note the colon : and space after uk/ above. > That's simply how NetSurf displays link targets in the status bar (i.e. > : ) Thanks, I didn't know that. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bryork.com
Re: Bad redirect URL
In a mad moment - John-Mark Bell mumbled : > In this particular case, NetSurf's HTTP redirect handling had just been > completely rewritten and, thus, it is eminently possible that bugs have > been introduced. That is why I asked for you to provide more information This may be a red herring, in which case I apologise in advance! In December, when I was using NF Release Ver. 1·1 I noticed a twitch in The Register - Hardware pages - Trying to follow a link to price comparison/price finder for reviewed items (The EEE computer) resulted in an endless attempt to load a page. Gave up, suspecting another code error by El Reg (it happens) In January I switched to using the latest(ish) test build (currently on r3802). Visiting similar review pages in El Reg gives the same effect but now with a 'Bad Redirect URL' meeasge from NS after a few seconds. Toady's example can be found here - http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/30/review_toshiba_hd_ep30/ on the lower left of the page is a Box 'Price Finder' and at the bottem, below the editable window is the link line 'Reg Hardware's price comparison site' Clicking on this enters the following URL in NS status bar - http://theregister.pgpartner.co.uk/: Compare Prices Note the colon : and space after uk/ above. I trawled through the page code and found what appears to be the appropriate line here - (not wrapped in the original) or visit http://theregister.pgpartner.co.uk/"; title="Compare Prices">Reg Hardware's price comparison site presumably this is bad code by El Reg? but it looks as though other browsers may not be objecting. Just my ½pennoth and may not be relevent to this thread. Keep up the good work - It's appreciated. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bryork.com
Re: New NetSurf web site
In a mad moment - Dave Higton mumbled : > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> We have completed a redesign of the NetSurf web site. Our aim was to >> improve content, navigability and design. >> >> http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ >> >> The documentation supplied with RISC OS builds has been restructured >> and the welcome page has been redesigned. >> >> Please visit the new web site and try the documentation supplied with >> the latest RISC OS build. Let us know what you think and please tell >> us if you find any broken links. > First impressions: it looks very smart and professional, and > the W3C validator passes the home page with 0 errors (I didn't > try any more pages yet). Well Done! It is just a pity that so many so called professionally designed web site are not as clean, simple and well presented as this one. -- |)[ |)ryn [vansmail to - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bryork.com
