[newbie] GUI is gone and so is my sanity

[Andrew Brackenbury]

Hello all.  This is Andrew of "I can't connect to the internet fame".  With 
the help of one of you, I now have drivers that should run my ethernet and 
SCSI cards.  Now I have a new problem:  when I boot up linux and all those 
"checks" run down the screen, the checks that are usually followed by a 
green colored "OK" in brackets, one check yields a red "FAILED".  The 
message is something like - delay eth1 initialization.  Can't locate module 
eth1.  Before I knew I had a driver problem, I was messing with the network 
configuration file and may have changed a eth0 setting to eth1.  I can't get 
to the usually GUI login presentation.  The furthest I can get when booting 
up is to a window that has a lego looking peguin graphic and a login prompt. 
  I am at my wit's end can anyone help!!??

-andrew
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[newbie] Copying text from kedit to netscape mail

[Neville Cobb]

Is there a way to copy text from say Kedit and paste it into Netscape
mail. I've tried everything but cannot achieve it, is there a process
that I've overlooked?

Nev

Re: [newbie] Programming

[Anthony Huereca]

Just based off looking at source code of programs for Linux, the two most often
used languages seem to be perl and C++. So on that basis, I'd go with learning
both of them. I know that's what I plan to do over the summer (well, I already
know some C++ from school, but I know almost nothing of perl)

> 
> I know that this is rather off-topic, but I notice that Linux comes with a few 
>optional programming programs.  
>Out of the wisening experiences you have all had, which programming langauge
>would you guys say that it would be wise to invest in?  Thanks


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Re: [newbie] Installation/Cylinder 1024/and/Boot Magic/8+GB hard drives

[weblife]

Hi Alan and All, 

I decided to go ahead and spend some more $money$ on my Linux Mandrake
distribution, which I have learned was pretty much inevitable if I had any
hopes of getting it installed within my time parameters. 

I think it is important that I mention here for clarity's sake, that if you
are a newbie and you have a hard drive that is over 8GB's, you will 'most
likely' have to spend more money to purchase another program to work
through the partitioning of your hard drive. I think it should actually say
this on the Linux Mandrake 7.0 Complete Box, under the system requirements,
that if your hard drive is larger than 8GB's you will may need to purchase
another utility in order to install Linux Mandrake or any other Linux
distribution on your system in a very user friendly way. The included
version 3.0 of Partition Magic will not suffice to do the job in a workable
manner. 

You may also run into the 1024th cylinder barrier as I did and later found
out it was 'infamous', and then the also included Boot Magic will not
install. I do have to say that I am enjoying learning all of this stuff I
never knew about hard drive partitions. :) 

The application actually cost more than the Linux Mandrake 7.0 Complete
distribution, however if you have purchased this version of Linux and
received the non usable for over 8GB hard dirves version 3, then you are
elligible for a 40% discount on your upgrade to an actual working version
of Partition Magic, which currently is 5.01. Also I want to note to all,
that the Partition Magic manufacturer 'PowerQuest.com', look as if they are
also owned by MS, as they are almost overly proud partners of MS and have
the MS name all over their web site. 

All of this aside, if it works well for me I will be happy I have it, it
seems to have many, new to me, powerful features that I may indeed find
very, very useful. Although I am fairly certain that you could take other
routes to installation of Linux on a large hard drive, (using fdisk, fips,
cfsidk, LILO, etc)  I have been thinking of my return deadline, perhaps I
should just forget about that, and  instead commit myself to accomplishing
the task I have set at hand.  :) 

I want my Linux! 

b/web

At 02:21 PM 4/18/00 -0700, you wrote:
>b/webyou need to have two things before the 1024th cylinder.
>
>1) your primary windows partition (it'll be drive C:) needs to
>end before the 1024th cylinder (you can have another windows
>partition that uses whatever other disc space left and it'll be
>drive D:).
>
>2) a small (16-24 megs) linux partition that you will have to
>assign the mount point of  /boot  when you install linux.  This
>can be before or after the windows partition, but it does need
>to end before the 1024th cylinder also.
>
>So, withinin the first (approximately 8 meg) 1023 cylinders of
>the 17 gig drive you must have a primary dos partition that is
>set active and has windows installed on it
>
>and
>
>a 16-24 meg linux partition.
>
>then the rest of the drive can contain
>
>a) a second dos partition of any size
>
>and
>
>b) the rest of the partitions needed for the linux installation,
>but at a minimum, a linux partition of 2-4 gig (or larger) that
>will be assigned the mount point of  /   during linux
>installation and a linux swap partition (size depends on your
>memory size and intended usage, but let's say no les than 64 meg
>and no larger than 128 meg).
>
>Alan
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I am now on my sixth day since I went out and purchased the brand new
>> Linux Mandrake 7.0 Complete OS, and I still do not have it installed on my
>> system, I only have four days left before I run out of time at the Software
>> store to return it for a full refund.
>> 
>> I am going through install h*ll with the Cylinder 1024 /boot directory
>> thing or obstacle, which I now know to be infamous. I also now understand
>> that Linux requires this Cylinder location for a /boot directory to be
>> inserted(crazy man)? I also understand that the included boot program for
>> the Linux Mandrake OS called 'Boot Magic' will not install and set up on my
>> system because it says I do not have a Primary Partition below the 1024th
>> Cylinder.
>> 
>> I was able to install Partition Magic and repartition my hard drive, only
>> to crash into 'Boot Magic's' refusal to install after already having
>> repartitioned my hd. So, I departitioned my hard drive back to its original
>> partition and then I uninstalled Partition Magic as I thought perhaps I
>> could install Boot Magic first, but all to no avail.
>> 
>> I am wondering how I go about clearing this 1024th cylinder so that Boot
>> Magic can install itself there? Do I have to lose all of my current
>> information on my hd? My current Window/dos disk usage is over 3GB, do I
>> have to delete all of my current web servers, data bases, and a varitey of
>> over 100 various applications in order to free up the space at the 1024th
>> cylinder?
>> 
>> I am totally lost as to how to g

Re: [newbie] Books

[Michael Holt]

I believe you're correct on that one, although it may depend on what part of
the world you're in.  I'm fortunate to have a good library system in the area
I'm in, there are something like 45 libraries in the county that will deliver
the book you need to your local branch.

Mike

Dreja Julag wrote:

> As far as I know, you can have your local library order in any book that
> they don't have in the building.  It only takes a week or so, you get about
> two weeks or more, and then you just take it to the local library to return
> it.  This can be very handy and it doesn't cost anything providing that you
> have the proper card, etc.  (That doesn't cost anything unless you lose it.)
>
> Drew Jackman
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ 20177604
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Holt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Books
>
> > Hey Mike,
> > Lighten up a bit, eh?  As far as having the money for books; no, I'm
> not
> > rich and yes, I've also checked pretty good books out from my local
> library.
> > Remember, there's usually more than just one path to any given point -
> what
> > might seem the straight path to one person, may seem like climbing Mt.
> > Everest to another.
> >
> > another Mike
> >
> > p.s. "There is safety in a multitude of counselors."
> >
> > Mike Corbeil wrote:
> >
> > > Michael Holt wrote:
> > >
> > > > On the contrary, I've used quite a few 'xxx for dummies' books, and
> they
> > > > give you a great start on a topic in simple language (not everyone has
> a
> > > > computer science degree).  I do agree that O'Reilly books are great
> to.
> > > > Personally, I like to go down to the local Barnes & Noble (or
> > > > equivalent) and sit down in the Unix / Linux section and start sifting
> > > > through books.  What I've found is that seldom does one book cover
> > > > everything that you need to know; 'Running Linux' from O'Reilly is a
> > > > great book, but I also have Linux 6 unleashed from Sams, Linux in a
> > > > nutshell (also from O'Reilly) and a few others.  My advice is to
> decide
> > > > what you want to know about, then try to find the topic at the
> > > > bookstore.  I usually need to gleen info from a few different books
> > > > before I feel comfortable with the answer that I've come up with.
> > >
> > > Not all are rich and books aren't cheap.  This is why I don't bother
> with
> > > programming for dummies books, and I don't think that a cs degree makes
> a
> > > huge difference.  After all, we didn't start with programming for
> dummies
> > > books in the first courses in school.
> > >
> > > However, if people are rich and can afford all the books they want, then
> > > what the heck.  Not everyone has that luxury, though.
> > >
> > > mike
> >
> > --
> > 
> > The Penguins are coming!!!
> >
> > 
> > Michael Holt
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >

--

The Penguins are coming!!!


Michael Holt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] Linux issues

[Michael Holt]

Which type of install did you do?  Try opening konsole and issuing the command
'top'.  That will give you a list of things that are running in the background.
Write back with an update, k?
Mike

Nathaniel Gleicher wrote:

> I've just installed Mandrake 7.0, and although it's mostly working, I'm
> having a few problems of varying degrees of seriousness... if anyone
> could help, or give me a suggestion, that would be much appreciated:
> *just as a note, I've got a pentium 3 with one hard-drive for windows
> 98 and another for linux, so both operating systems are on their own
> drive...
> The most noticeable affect that installing madnrake has had has been
> that windows now runs quite slowly on certain tasks. Upon boot-up, the
> computer freezes for about 45 secs before continuing. Also, when trying
> to do things like play a music cd, there is a 30 second pause between
> each song... One thing that I have noticed is that when opening explorer
> in windows, my D drive (the one with linux installed) is beign
> recognized as a cd drive... Could this be causing my slowing down? most
> of the times it freezes could be when it is accessing the cd drive... Is
> there any way for me to fix windows so that it does not even pay
> attention to the other hard-drive, or something of that sort? I've been
> playing around with settings, but haven't seen anything...
>
> My other problems are with linux, and not quite as frustrating. First,
> I have been unable to connect to the internet using an ethernet
> connection... if someone could point me to a good howto/faq on this
> topic, I should be able to figure it out myself. I've been setting a
> number of different bvariables in linuxconf, but I think I'm missing or
> misreading something...
> Also, I can't get my soundcard recognized... this, however, is due
> largely to the fact that I haven't figured out how to run the sound
> config utility yet...
>
> that's about it... thanks very much for any help
> ~Nathaniel :)

--

The Penguins are coming!!!


Michael Holt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1

[Stephen F. Bosch]

"Pittman, Merle" wrote:
> 
> YOU ARROGANT P---k!!
> 
> So a few math and physics courses (probably from mail order, or your nearest
> community college) make you all that.  I have 2 advanced degrees in
> engineering (electronics and computers) yet I think myself no better or
> smarter than anyone on this list and neither should you.

Oh MAN! Is this going to turn into a battle of egos now?

For someone with...

oh, never mind.

-Stephen-

Re: [newbie] Linux Partition

[Vic]

Sorry I forgot to mention, windows was never designed to 
exist alongside another OS.

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> OK folks, thanks for all your answers on why I can see my Windows partition
> in Linux, but not the other way around..
> 
> Now..I KNOW you are all Windows haters :-))...
> 
> ...But come on..what is the REASON? Not 'Because windows is made by 'Satans
> SSperm' (Something I certainly DON'T subscribe to BTW!!!).
> 
> Is it something built into Windows that stops it (Or..more likely, something
> not added INTO Windows!!) seeing the Linux files. After all, an HTML file, A
> GIF image is the same on whichever o/s. ((Sits back and waits for someone to
> tell me 'Oh, no they're not'!!!).
> 
> It's a great shame.. I've downloaded stuff onto my Windows partition for
> Linux, and I can move that over no problem. Much as most folks on here won't
> like me for saying this, Windows will, for a long, long time, remain my OS
> of most use. It's therefore a great shame that, while I'm downloading off
> the web, I can't download Windows stuff while I'm connected via Linux.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andy
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Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1

[Michael Holt]

Excuse me, I'm not quite sure what planet you come from, but I for one am about sick of
your mouth!  If there's anything more you care to add, I'm sure that you can find my
personal address on this message somewhere; I'm absolutely POSITIVE that this is not 
the
place to continue this.

Mike

Mike Corbeil wrote:

> Now, that's a prime example of an ignorant ass who hasn't a clue about true reality.
> Thanks for the illustration, because I prefer to provide analogies based on real
> examples.
>
> Your pompous interpretations and renditions are worthy of only yourself, and you're a
> fucking hypocrite, because if you had something truly worthy of saying, then it
> wouldn't be based on pompeity.
>
> >  You've
> > jumped on other people's answers to questions - patronizing the answers that are
> > given.
>
> How did I patronize?  That's only your assinine pompous interpretation, but it's
> refreshing to see how assinine people do continue to exist.  Be pompous.  Believe 
>your
> interpretations are correct with giving a second thought wrt objectivity.  You'll 
>prove
> the theory accurate every time.
>
> > You seem to be a pretty knowledgeable guy, and I think you do come up with
> > some pretty good answers - maybe you could just calm down a bit?  Not everything 
>has
> > to be confrontational.
>
> Who's confrontational, pompous idiots who believe they have the entire definition of
> people they don't even know, or those who merely propose more information, or
> information along a different tangent?  Stick with your [stupid] nonsensical ideas of
> what you believe to be reality, and if you truly want to see the results of objective
> analysis, then I'm prepared to stand in front of the most objective and sound 
>thinkers
> on this planet, to confront the likes of a pompous idiot like yourself.
>
> I haven't a problem with that.  Although, they might find me a little offensive or 
>too
> frank, they'ld quickly realize that "ah, reality is not a narrowly defined picture", 
>as
> you obviously like to define it.  Get this dude, your narrow minded definitions of 
>what
> makes up reality and what doesn't, hasn't a single ounce of influence, because you're
> pompous, and a damned idiot.
>
> Just call me FRANK.  I CHERISH being FRANK; therefore, shove it where it belongs, 
>that
> is, your stupid assinine opinion.
>
> If you wish more such replies, then by all means, I have no contentions with respect 
>to
> telling you REALITY.
>
> Grow the f.ck up.
>
> truly,
> mike
>
> >
> >
> > another Mike
> >
> > --
> > 
> > The Penguins are coming!!!
> >
> > 
> > Michael Holt
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--

The Penguins are coming!!!


Michael Holt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] RE:MS WORD

[Stephen F. Bosch]

Emanuele La Rosa wrote:
> 
> Maybe you are right but it crashes too many times and it has some bugs.
> I decided to write my thesis with Staroffice and sill I'm doing it, but now I'm
> quite sure that I've made a big mistake

*chuckles*

Hmn.

I haven't had this problem, at least not yet - still, I'm not going to
blame your system, a lot of people have had troubles with StarOffice.

I still think it's more stable than MS Office, however.

Have you tried Adobe Framemaker? It's better for long documents.

-Stephen-

Re: [newbie] Books

[Dreja Julag]

As far as I know, you can have your local library order in any book that
they don't have in the building.  It only takes a week or so, you get about
two weeks or more, and then you just take it to the local library to return
it.  This can be very handy and it doesn't cost anything providing that you
have the proper card, etc.  (That doesn't cost anything unless you lose it.)

Drew Jackman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ 20177604

- Original Message -
From: "Michael Holt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Books


> Hey Mike,
> Lighten up a bit, eh?  As far as having the money for books; no, I'm
not
> rich and yes, I've also checked pretty good books out from my local
library.
> Remember, there's usually more than just one path to any given point -
what
> might seem the straight path to one person, may seem like climbing Mt.
> Everest to another.
>
> another Mike
>
> p.s. "There is safety in a multitude of counselors."
>
> Mike Corbeil wrote:
>
> > Michael Holt wrote:
> >
> > > On the contrary, I've used quite a few 'xxx for dummies' books, and
they
> > > give you a great start on a topic in simple language (not everyone has
a
> > > computer science degree).  I do agree that O'Reilly books are great
to.
> > > Personally, I like to go down to the local Barnes & Noble (or
> > > equivalent) and sit down in the Unix / Linux section and start sifting
> > > through books.  What I've found is that seldom does one book cover
> > > everything that you need to know; 'Running Linux' from O'Reilly is a
> > > great book, but I also have Linux 6 unleashed from Sams, Linux in a
> > > nutshell (also from O'Reilly) and a few others.  My advice is to
decide
> > > what you want to know about, then try to find the topic at the
> > > bookstore.  I usually need to gleen info from a few different books
> > > before I feel comfortable with the answer that I've come up with.
> >
> > Not all are rich and books aren't cheap.  This is why I don't bother
with
> > programming for dummies books, and I don't think that a cs degree makes
a
> > huge difference.  After all, we didn't start with programming for
dummies
> > books in the first courses in school.
> >
> > However, if people are rich and can afford all the books they want, then
> > what the heck.  Not everyone has that luxury, though.
> >
> > mike
>
> --
> 
> The Penguins are coming!!!
>
> 
> Michael Holt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>

Re: [newbie] Linux Partition

[Michael Holt]

Linux supports multiple file systems, Windows supports only fat, and fat32.  I
don't know what your background is, but the file system is what allows you to
store information on your hard disk.  Linux uses a system called 'ext2fs' or
'second extended file system'.  Windows uses 'FAT' or 'File Allocation Table',
which doesn't mean much to look at the names but the way they work is much
different.  I'm not an engineer so I can't really explain it beyond that, but
suffice it to say, Windows just doesn't have native support for other operating
systems file systems.  I've often wished that I could transfer files while in
Windows, but the nice thing about Linux is that it usually comes right out of
the box configured with support for dos, vfat, hpfs, and a few other not often
used file systems.

Hope that helps,
Mike

andy wrote:

> OK folks, thanks for all your answers on why I can see my Windows partition
> in Linux, but not the other way around..
>
> Now..I KNOW you are all Windows haters :-))...
>
> ...But come on..what is the REASON? Not 'Because windows is made by 'Satans
> Sperm' (Something I certainly DON'T subscribe to BTW!!!).
>
> Is it something built into Windows that stops it (Or..more likely, something
> not added INTO Windows!!) seeing the Linux files. After all, an HTML file, A
> GIF image is the same on whichever o/s. ((Sits back and waits for someone to
> tell me 'Oh, no they're not'!!!).
>
> It's a great shame.. I've downloaded stuff onto my Windows partition for
> Linux, and I can move that over no problem. Much as most folks on here won't
> like me for saying this, Windows will, for a long, long time, remain my OS
> of most use. It's therefore a great shame that, while I'm downloading off
> the web, I can't download Windows stuff while I'm connected via Linux.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy

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Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1

[Mike Corbeil]

Michael Holt wrote:

> Mike Corbeil wrote:
>
> > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> >
> > > Mikecorrect me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's
> > > been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't
> > > appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert
> > > list?  Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted
> > > below) was not appropriate for the newbie list.  The remedy here
> > > was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply
> > > served to confuse the issue.
> > >
> >
> > Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less than trivial for longer
> > than I can recall.  When I first started learning about computers and
> > programming, my ramble wouldn't have caused any problems, but then I also had a
> > few years of math and physics behind me.  Nonetheless, if I think back to before
> > that, then I wouldn't have been put off by a more thorough explanation.  Heck, my
> > father wanted me to help him remodel the house when I was a mere 8 years old;
> > therefore, I've been held to above normal expectations for decades.
> >
> > If you're confused, then don't think that this means that everyone else who's a
> > newbie would also be confused.  As I recall in school, in every course, at every
> > level, not everyone was equally comfortable with the material.
> >
> > What I prefer to do when I find an answer or document too complicated, is to
> > stick with the one I was more comfortable with, as long as it works.  Otherwise,
> > I just ask questions for clarification.
> >
> > We're not communicating between people in grade 1 of elementary school, here;
> > therefore, expect some people to provide more thorough answers.  When you don't
> > like it, move on.  If newbies seeking help scream in panic, then this will
> > definitely help to indicate that what you say is true, but as it is, you're
> > pretending to be able to speak for them, instead of letting them speak for
> > themselves.
> >
> > As a relative newbie to Linux systems administration, but not to Unix and
> > programming, I presented information I learned as a newbie to Linux systems
> > administration, and based on this, the additional info wasn't out of context.
> >
> > Besides, newbies also need to learn the system and some will catch on very
> > quickly, while those who don't, can either ask for clarification, or stick with
> > the simpler responses they've received.
> >
> > How complicated do you want to make this?
> >
> > Some people in the newbie list have already proven that they're not newbie; only
> > to installing Linux and only in some respects, more in some and less in others.
> >
> > By providing more thorough information in a newbie mailing list, as well as more
> > elementary answers, this satisfies the entire group.  If you're not happy with an
> > answer which is correct, then skip.  If you're not happy with an answer which is
> > not 100% correct, but along the correct line(s), then correct the errors.
> >
> > This mailing list is for learning, as far as I'm aware, because getting help
> > inherently implies learning.  Part of accepting to learn is accepting to make
> > errors or mistakes, and to learn from these.
> >
> > Why treat people like babies, instead of giving them something to chew on?
> >
> > People using this list to get help for their employment should subscribe to
> > professional support mailing lists or resources; therefore, I don't perceive
> > these mailing lists except for the much more general audience, including
> > hobbiests.  My case is neither of these, but instead merely learning, to merely
> > become more marketable, kind of like going to school, but without the tuition
> > fees and the piece of paper at the end.  You'll find people using these mailing
> > lists for various reasons, but you seem to only want to reduce or restrict to
> > people who are 100% newbie to computing, which is not the reality.
> >
> > If you wish to share more about your pedagogical philosophies or approaches, then
> > feel free.  However, I wouldn't bother based on this thread, because what
> > I presented is not really above the newbie level.  Again, I learned it during my
> > newbie phase to Linux systems administration, but then I tend to spend a fair
> > amount of time reading ahead and reading various documentation I come across and
> > which might be even remotely related.  Just because others don't do this, doesn't
> > mean that this approach isn't relevant to people at the newbie level.
> >
> > Baby food is nourishing, but it's usually more nourshing when there's an adequate
> > amount of vitamins and minerals.
> >
> > I'm not knocking the response to set umask to 0 for the dos partitions, in the
> > fstab file, but also didn't present anything above newbie level.  Hence,
> > argumentation or discourse.
> >
> > mike
> >
>
> Mike,
> I've been watching your posts for the last couple of days.  You know, sometimes
> it's just good to add a couple of lines to 

Re: [newbie] new install

[Stephen F. Bosch]

Bob Schmidt wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I hope you can help me out.  i just installed mandrake 7.0 on my Dell inspirion
> 3700.  Everything works fine, I really like this os.  Except I have one
> problem, when ever I shut down the computer.  When it comes to unmounting the
> drives, I get this error message:
> 
> end request:  I/O error dev 0:200 (floppy) sector 0

Does your Inspiron have a floppy drive?

-Stephen-

Re: [newbie] RE:MS WORD

[Mike Corbeil]

Michael Holt wrote:

> Abiword does a good job of importing MS word, but it's still in it's infancy.  I've
> just bought Corel Office 2000 deluxe, and I'm very pleased with it; it imports and
> exports MS 97 / 2000 files as well as most other popular formats.

SO isn't bad, for Linux anyway.  Doesn't have the fancier MS Word kind of gui, but can
get the job done, and imports as well as exports MS Word format(s).

Corel WP is based on the older WP and although I haven't checked it out yet, it's
probably a fairly fine app, and there's a free version for at least checking  out the
suite, I believe.

WP was the strongest competitor with MS Word for a fair number of years, and always
remained useable.  Corel merely took over WP and converted it to Java, although, don't
know if it's still in Java or not.

SO is supposedly buggy on MS platforms, but based on the review I read, these problems
shouldn't occur on Unix or Linux.

There's also Applixware for an office suite, but haven't a clue if it imports/exports
MS Word format(s).

I examined SO last december, MS version, and although I didn't try everything, and the
gui aspect wasn't quite as "refined" as MS Word, I wouldn't hestitate to use this
office suite.  I don't care about fancy looking gui's as much as merely the
functionality.

In this respect, I wouldn't refrain from doing work with TeX and LaTeX, as well as
other associated tools or add-ons.  TeX produces very nice output.

Otherwise, what's the big mistake you believe to have made?  You left that aspect of
your commentary hanging in "guess land", and I haven't a clue what you're referring
to.

mike


>
>
> Mike
>
> Emanuele La Rosa wrote:
>
> > Maybe you are right but it crashes too many times and it has some bugs.
> > I decided to write my thesis with Staroffice and sill I'm doing it, but now I'm
> > quite sure that I've made a big mistake
> >
> > >Star Office can open and save Word documents without problems. Depending
> > >(maybe)  on the version of Word and Star Office. Note: Star Office is free (Not
> > >Open Source, but you don't have to pay for it) and in my opinion as good as MS
> > >Office.
>
> --
> 
> The Penguins are coming!!!
>
> 
> Michael Holt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] Linux Partition

[Stephen F. Bosch]

andy wrote:
> 
> How come when you are in Linux, you can see your Windows partition, but not
> the other way around??
> 
> Andy

I'm sure other people have answered this by now, but I can't resist:

That is because Microsoft supports only its *own* filesystems, whereas
Linux supports many filesystems and adds more each year.

-Stephen-

Re: [newbie] RE:MS WORD

[Michael Holt]

Abiword does a good job of importing MS word, but it's still in it's infancy.  I've
just bought Corel Office 2000 deluxe, and I'm very pleased with it; it imports and
exports MS 97 / 2000 files as well as most other popular formats.

Mike

Emanuele La Rosa wrote:

> Maybe you are right but it crashes too many times and it has some bugs.
> I decided to write my thesis with Staroffice and sill I'm doing it, but now I'm
> quite sure that I've made a big mistake
>
> >Star Office can open and save Word documents without problems. Depending
> >(maybe)  on the version of Word and Star Office. Note: Star Office is free (Not
> >Open Source, but you don't have to pay for it) and in my opinion as good as MS
> >Office.

--

The Penguins are coming!!!


Michael Holt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1

[Michael Holt]

Mike Corbeil wrote:

> Alan Shoemaker wrote:
>
> > Mikecorrect me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's
> > been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't
> > appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert
> > list?  Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted
> > below) was not appropriate for the newbie list.  The remedy here
> > was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply
> > served to confuse the issue.
> >
>
> Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less than trivial for longer
> than I can recall.  When I first started learning about computers and
> programming, my ramble wouldn't have caused any problems, but then I also had a
> few years of math and physics behind me.  Nonetheless, if I think back to before
> that, then I wouldn't have been put off by a more thorough explanation.  Heck, my
> father wanted me to help him remodel the house when I was a mere 8 years old;
> therefore, I've been held to above normal expectations for decades.
>
> If you're confused, then don't think that this means that everyone else who's a
> newbie would also be confused.  As I recall in school, in every course, at every
> level, not everyone was equally comfortable with the material.
>
> What I prefer to do when I find an answer or document too complicated, is to
> stick with the one I was more comfortable with, as long as it works.  Otherwise,
> I just ask questions for clarification.
>
> We're not communicating between people in grade 1 of elementary school, here;
> therefore, expect some people to provide more thorough answers.  When you don't
> like it, move on.  If newbies seeking help scream in panic, then this will
> definitely help to indicate that what you say is true, but as it is, you're
> pretending to be able to speak for them, instead of letting them speak for
> themselves.
>
> As a relative newbie to Linux systems administration, but not to Unix and
> programming, I presented information I learned as a newbie to Linux systems
> administration, and based on this, the additional info wasn't out of context.
>
> Besides, newbies also need to learn the system and some will catch on very
> quickly, while those who don't, can either ask for clarification, or stick with
> the simpler responses they've received.
>
> How complicated do you want to make this?
>
> Some people in the newbie list have already proven that they're not newbie; only
> to installing Linux and only in some respects, more in some and less in others.
>
> By providing more thorough information in a newbie mailing list, as well as more
> elementary answers, this satisfies the entire group.  If you're not happy with an
> answer which is correct, then skip.  If you're not happy with an answer which is
> not 100% correct, but along the correct line(s), then correct the errors.
>
> This mailing list is for learning, as far as I'm aware, because getting help
> inherently implies learning.  Part of accepting to learn is accepting to make
> errors or mistakes, and to learn from these.
>
> Why treat people like babies, instead of giving them something to chew on?
>
> People using this list to get help for their employment should subscribe to
> professional support mailing lists or resources; therefore, I don't perceive
> these mailing lists except for the much more general audience, including
> hobbiests.  My case is neither of these, but instead merely learning, to merely
> become more marketable, kind of like going to school, but without the tuition
> fees and the piece of paper at the end.  You'll find people using these mailing
> lists for various reasons, but you seem to only want to reduce or restrict to
> people who are 100% newbie to computing, which is not the reality.
>
> If you wish to share more about your pedagogical philosophies or approaches, then
> feel free.  However, I wouldn't bother based on this thread, because what
> I presented is not really above the newbie level.  Again, I learned it during my
> newbie phase to Linux systems administration, but then I tend to spend a fair
> amount of time reading ahead and reading various documentation I come across and
> which might be even remotely related.  Just because others don't do this, doesn't
> mean that this approach isn't relevant to people at the newbie level.
>
> Baby food is nourishing, but it's usually more nourshing when there's an adequate
> amount of vitamins and minerals.
>
> I'm not knocking the response to set umask to 0 for the dos partitions, in the
> fstab file, but also didn't present anything above newbie level.  Hence,
> argumentation or discourse.
>
> mike
>

Mike,
I've been watching your posts for the last couple of days.  You know, sometimes
it's just good to add a couple of lines to a post if you think you can help, you
don't have to write a novel every time someone says 'help'.  That's about as helpful
as reading a howto.  I have to agree with Alan here, you're not only rambl

Re: [newbie] Books

[Michael Holt]

Hey Mike,
Lighten up a bit, eh?  As far as having the money for books; no, I'm not
rich and yes, I've also checked pretty good books out from my local library.
Remember, there's usually more than just one path to any given point - what
might seem the straight path to one person, may seem like climbing Mt.
Everest to another.

another Mike

p.s. "There is safety in a multitude of counselors."

Mike Corbeil wrote:

> Michael Holt wrote:
>
> > On the contrary, I've used quite a few 'xxx for dummies' books, and they
> > give you a great start on a topic in simple language (not everyone has a
> > computer science degree).  I do agree that O'Reilly books are great to.
> > Personally, I like to go down to the local Barnes & Noble (or
> > equivalent) and sit down in the Unix / Linux section and start sifting
> > through books.  What I've found is that seldom does one book cover
> > everything that you need to know; 'Running Linux' from O'Reilly is a
> > great book, but I also have Linux 6 unleashed from Sams, Linux in a
> > nutshell (also from O'Reilly) and a few others.  My advice is to decide
> > what you want to know about, then try to find the topic at the
> > bookstore.  I usually need to gleen info from a few different books
> > before I feel comfortable with the answer that I've come up with.
>
> Not all are rich and books aren't cheap.  This is why I don't bother with
> programming for dummies books, and I don't think that a cs degree makes a
> huge difference.  After all, we didn't start with programming for dummies
> books in the first courses in school.
>
> However, if people are rich and can afford all the books they want, then
> what the heck.  Not everyone has that luxury, though.
>
> mike

--

The Penguins are coming!!!


Michael Holt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Re: [newbie] Problems with the RAM]

[Charles Wackerman]

I checked that in video card documentation Diamond Stealth III S-540 uses only its
onboard 16megs of memory.  Anyway, Linux accepts the 192 megs when I log in at lilo 
with
"linuxmem =192M"   Plus, the lilo.conf file has the append  mem=192M all to no 
avail.
Thanks for the suggestion though.It is funny that Mandrake doesn't identify the 
memory
but Redhat 6.2 does, while Mandrake recognizes the video card and Redhat doesn't.
Once I
get this settled I will try to figure out a problem with the CD RW and the ZIP drive  
(it
detects the CD RW drive but won't read a disk in it,  The ZIP is on Paralllel Port II 
which
it doesn't seem to detect.  Strange.)

I KNOW that someday soon Linux will do everything it is supposed to, but right now it 
is
frustrating me like a pc hasn't since the mid 70s.

Charles Wackerman


Jaguar wrote:

> Have you taken into account if a video card is using some of the system RAM??
> ie: 192 RAM - 4 MB video = 188RAM
> Just a thought...:)
> Jaguar
>
> Charles Wackerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > David:
> >
> > I also tried the append="mem=192M" in lilo.conf and then lilo at the
> prompt,
> > didn't work.  I also tried lilo -v (which was reported to work) but no such
> > luck.
> >
> > On the other hand Mandrake 7.0 recognizes a video card that Windows 98
> > refuses to recognize so I guess the extra line at log in is worth it.
> >
> > Charles Wackerman
> >
> > David Herman wrote:
> >
> > > Fernando García Arranz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've got a problem with the memory of my PC in Linux. I've got 128 Mb
> > > > but Linux just recognize 64Mb. What can I do ? I've tried to insert the
> > > > line "append=128M " into the lilo.conf file , but it doesn't work.
> Could
> > > > you give an answer, please.
> > >
> > > I was having the same problem my solution was to edit lilo.conf
> > > so that the appropriate line reads:
> > >
> > > append="mem=128M"
> > > note where the quotation marks are.
> > >
> > > Then in a terminal I entered "lilo" at the prompt.
> > > (no quotes around the word lilo)
> > >
> > > It seems that this is needs to be done for the update to take effect.
> > >
> > > hope this helps
>
> The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma.
>
> 
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Re: [newbie] Programming

[Eric L. Brine]

Just some additional comments, mostly on perl.

> Perl is good, because it can be better than bash for some systems
> administration tasks.  Plus, Perl has much functionality; it's
> definitely at least considerably powerful, and being a scripting
> language, you don't need to deal with compiling, which makes or can make
> it useful for rad (rapid application development).  Scripting is very
> nice for many reasons, and Perl is a mighty scripting language.

It is very good at text manipulation. Memory allocation and deallocation
is a breeze. Definitely not the hassle it is in C/C++. It has a strong
community. It has a huge repository of modules (CPAN).

The perl home page:
  http://www.perl.com

The Comprehensive Perl Archive Network perl module repository:
(If you need it a module, it's probably there.)
  http://www.cpan.org

> - python (haven't done any work with python, but it seems to be used a
> fair amount - you'll find a fair number of python scripts, which has
> also been integrated with Perl),

I don't know what you mean by it being intergrated with perl. They're two
completely seperate languages. I'm just starting to read up on python. It
could possibly be better than perl.

> At that level, though, you'ld want to learn some of the servers, Apache
> being a core one as far as internet/intranet development would be
> concerned.  Perl has a module for interfacing with the Apache server,
> now, too.

Apache: http://www.apache.org

That module is mod_perl. http://perl.apache.org/  I suggest you get a good
grip on perl before looking at mod_perl. Basically, it's an extention for
the Apache web server that allows one to write extentions for Apache in
perl. It's not a language, just an interface to Apache's API. It replaces
CGI but does much more. (Actually, CGI scripts can be run over mod_perl
provoding they meet some requirements.)

mod_perl has an excellent mailing list.

> There's a fair amount of documentation installed on your Linux system,
> once Perl is installed.

man perl

That documentation is a reference, not programming lessens i.e. it assumes
you already know how to program, and gives you the specifics of perl.

> If you're just starting out programming, then bash and Perl should be
> two good places to begin.

If you do want to learn perl, the O'Reilley books (for perl and otherwise)
are considered bibles. These should be available jus about anywhere.


> SQL is a 4GL, 4th generation language, and very English-like; therefore,
> it's not a monumental feat to learn.  It's powerful, but there's much
> less need for developing programs to access, manipulate and store data.
> The underlying aspect with respect to data organization or
> normalization, though, is critical to developing good relational
> databases.

However, it's limited to querying and updating databases. SQL commands are
usually issued from other programs, written in C, perl, java, whatever.


--
Eric L. Brine  |  Chicken: The egg's way of making more eggs.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  |  Do you always hit the nail on the thumb?
ICQ# 4629314   |  An optimist thinks thorn bushes have roses.

Re: [newbie] Problems with the RAM

[Necrotica]

This is very easy to fix:

1) Login as root (or su at a command prompt)
2) Edit the file /etc/lilo.conf
3) Under the "label = linux" line add the line: append = "mem=xxxMB"
4) Save the changes
5) run "lilo" (without the quotes) at the prompt.

Just adding the append statement to lilo.conf isn't enough. You still have to
run lilo against it to make the changes final.

-Necro


On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Charles Wackerman wrote:
> Fernando García Arranz wrote:
> 
> > I've got a problem with the memory of my PC in Linux. I've got 128 Mb
> > but Linux just recognize 64Mb. What can I do ? I've tried to insert the
> > line "append=128M " into the lilo.conf file , but it doesn't work. Could
> > you give an answer, please.
> 
> I've got the same problem, only with 192Megs.  I read the "Where's the Ram"
> piece and tried to follow it, but it didn't help at all.  The only thing
> that works is to log in from the Lilo prompt with "Linux mem=192M".   That
> always works.  Since my bios is a 2000 copyright and the entire system is
> new, it doesn't appear to be a bios problem.  Funny thing is, Redhat 6.2
> does recognize the memory but not some of the cards..
> 
> Driving me slowly crazy.
> 
> Charles Wackerman

Re: [newbie] MS Word

[Necrotica]

Absolutely. StarOffice works pretty good (I use it myself). But since no one
else had mentioned it in the thread I thought I'd throw it in (to show how
wonderful Linux is...blah blah blah). 

For a lot of my professional documents, though, I stick with Word 97 under
WINE. That way I know for sure that there won't be any kind of
conversion problems whatsoever.

-Necro


 On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Dan LaBine wrote:
> Dear Necrotica; Just jumped into this thread (haven't seen previous posts to
> this topic), but just a quick thing here,...Wouldn't StarOffice do the
> trick?? It's available for Windows and Linux, and handles all MS Office
> documents, spreadsheets, etc. Just a thought.
> 
> Dan LaBine
> - Original Message -
> From: "Necrotica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [newbie] MS Word
> 
> 
> > ...of course, if you really need MS Word itself, it works great under
> WINE...
> >
> > -Necro
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Martin Solms wrote:
> > > I am looking for software that can open Word documents - I don't want to
> > > keep rebooting to read my bosses documents!!
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Martin
> >

Re: [Re: [newbie] Problems with the RAM]

[Jaguar]

Have you taken into account if a video card is using some of the system RAM??
ie: 192 RAM - 4 MB video = 188RAM
Just a thought...:)
Jaguar

Charles Wackerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David:
> 
> I also tried the append="mem=192M" in lilo.conf and then lilo at the
prompt,
> didn't work.  I also tried lilo -v (which was reported to work) but no such
> luck.
> 
> On the other hand Mandrake 7.0 recognizes a video card that Windows 98
> refuses to recognize so I guess the extra line at log in is worth it.
> 
> Charles Wackerman
> 
> David Herman wrote:
> 
> > Fernando García Arranz wrote:
> > >
> > > I've got a problem with the memory of my PC in Linux. I've got 128 Mb
> > > but Linux just recognize 64Mb. What can I do ? I've tried to insert the
> > > line "append=128M " into the lilo.conf file , but it doesn't work.
Could
> > > you give an answer, please.
> >
> > I was having the same problem my solution was to edit lilo.conf
> > so that the appropriate line reads:
> >
> > append="mem=128M"
> > note where the quotation marks are.
> >
> > Then in a terminal I entered "lilo" at the prompt.
> > (no quotes around the word lilo)
> >
> > It seems that this is needs to be done for the update to take effect.
> >
> > hope this helps


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Re: [newbie] MS Word

[Dan LaBine]

Dear Necrotica; Just jumped into this thread (haven't seen previous posts to
this topic), but just a quick thing here,...Wouldn't StarOffice do the
trick?? It's available for Windows and Linux, and handles all MS Office
documents, spreadsheets, etc. Just a thought.

Dan LaBine
- Original Message -
From: "Necrotica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] MS Word


> ...of course, if you really need MS Word itself, it works great under
WINE...
>
> -Necro
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Martin Solms wrote:
> > I am looking for software that can open Word documents - I don't want to
> > keep rebooting to read my bosses documents!!
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Martin
>

Re: [newbie] cable modem

[Bruce Endries]

I use Linux with a cable modem on RoadRunner, and it works great.
Why don't you try this:

Run LinuxConf. Go to Networking, then to basic host info. Then select the tab
for your network card (eth0). Click on the optin for DHCP.

Back out of LinuxConf, activating your changes.

You may have to reboot, I don't know.

That's ALL I have to do to make RoadRunner work with Linux. Maybe it will work
for you. It's worth a try.


Good Luck!



Jacob Aaron Holbrook wrote:

> well I just called them again to try and get the information.  They said
> that they cannot give it out because it changes all the time and they cannot
> assign a "static address" to me.  I ran netcfg and set my eth0 to active,
> saved, closed the window and tried to ping.  It didn't work so i went back
> into netcfg and my eth0 was inactive again.

RE: [[newbie] cable modem]

[Jon L. F.]

Finally, a question I can answer... (Feeling really green and
understanding about half of what is posted.)

Win2K type: "ipconfig"  (for the short version) or "ipconfig /all" for
the long.  "ipconfig /?" gives  all the possible uses.

Jon Fry
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Jacob Aaron Holbrook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [[newbie] cable modem]

Well that would work in win98, but I'm running win2k pro. and winipcfg
doesn't work..
- Original Message -
From: "Jaguar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [[newbie] cable modem]


> In Windows...click the START button, choose RUN, type in "winipcfg"
<--
> without quotes...choose MORE INFO, and there are all your IP/DNS/etc
> there...write them down, then in Linux setup NIC/DHCP (not sure
myself as
my
> cable IP is static, and I get by without using DHCP), read the
HOWTO's,
and
> get more confused...then ask for additional help in here...:)
> HTH
> Jaguar
>
> "Jacob Aaron Holbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > -
> > Attachment:
> > MIME Type: multipart/alternative
> > -
> > I am hooked up through a cable modem through my local provider.
Windows
> detects this and sets it up by itself and this is what the provider
supports.
> Is there a way to have Linux do the same because they won't give me
any
> information such as host address, ip address ect. because they don't
support
> Linux.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jacob Holbrook
>
>
> The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma.
>
> 
> Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at
http://webmail.netscape.com.
>

[newbie] testing

[William Neuman]

where's my other 2 post's

Re: WAS RE: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1 NOW: BICKERING!

[philomena]

Finally, a voice of reason ! I second the motion - this is all getting
tiresome
- Original Message -
From: "Nicholas Horton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 6:26 PM
Subject: WAS RE: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1 NOW: BICKERING!


> Jesus can you people can it!?  This is getting old take your bickering off
> the list.  I don't think myself or anyone else would care to hear your
> personal attacks and jibes at each other.  I'm hear to learn, not to watch
a
> verbal boxing match.
>
> Nick Horton
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mike Corbeil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:32 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1
> >
> >
> > Pittman, Merle wrote:
> >
> > > YOU ARROGANT P---k!!
> > >
> > > So a few math and physics courses (probably from mail
> > order, or your nearest
> > > community college) make you all that.  I have 2 advanced degrees in
> > > engineering (electronics and computers) yet I think myself
> > no better or
> > > smarter than anyone on this list and neither should you.
> >
> > Having advanced degrees does not necessarily make you a
> > sharper human being,
> > except that you know more about the technical business you
> > studied in.  Humans
> > are not reduceable to merely technological terms.  There's a
> > hell of a lot more
> > to being a  totally balanced human being than an ego trip
> > over advanced degrees
> > in technology.
> >
> > Don't know if you're noticed or not, but technology has also
> > been much the
> > cause for the serious degradation of the natural environment
> > on this planet;
> > therefore, before waving your pieces of paper, think first,
> > because these
> > aren't impressive, no where as much as the continuous
> > destruction of the
> > natural environment of this planet is.
> >
> > If only people with might high pieces of paper in technical
> > studies  could only
> > figure out that simple reality.
> >
> > My arrogance is only your interpretation.  I wonder if
> > someone who waves highly
> > advanced pieces of paper can figure out the simple meaning of
> > this; however, to
> > give you a little assistance, what it means is that I'm not
> > at all arrogant and
> > it's merely in your eyes that I am.  What I am, though, is
> > FRANK and a no-bs
> > type.
> >
> > If you prefer bs, pc crap, then by all means, continue to
> > live that way, if
> > that's how you like to perceive the world; however, don't
> > ever pretend your two
> > pieces of paper to be of any  true significance to me, for
> > reasons as stated
> > above.  That's what I have to think about many so-called
> > highly educated types.
> >
> > I don't reduce humanity to mathematics or science, but
> > instead take the
> > opposite pov, which is to put these sciences to the service
> > of HUMANITY.  Hence
> > I BELIEVE in PEOPLE, far more than I believe in the sciences
> > we discover and
> > develop, but  use so atrociously.
> >
> > If you don't grasp this truth, then believe me when I tell
> > you, you'll never be
> > convincing, not to me.
> >
> > If you knew how to read, then you'ld have realized very
> > clearly that I wasn't
> > bragging, but only describing my pov and reasoning to
> > illustrate.  T'was not at
> > all for bragging, because, as per above.
> >
> > mike
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Mike Corbeil [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:39 PM
> > > > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject:  Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1
> > > >
> > > > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mikecorrect me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's
> > > > > been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't
> > > > > appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert
> > > > > list?  Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted
> > > > > below) was not appropriate for the newbie list.  The remedy here
> > > > > was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply
> > > > > served to confuse the issue.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less
> > than trivial for
> > > > longer
> > > > than I can recall.  When I first started learning about
> > computers and
> > > > programming, my ramble wouldn't have caused any problems,
> > but then I also
> > > > had a
> > > > few years of math and physics behind me.  Nonetheless, if
> > I think back to
> > > > before
> > > > that, then I wouldn't have been put off by a more
> > thorough explanation.
> > > > Heck, my
> > > > father wanted me to help him remodel the house when I was
> > a mere 8 years
> > > > old;
> > > > therefore, I've been held to above normal expectations
> > for decades.
> > > >
> > > > If you're confused, then don't think that this means that
> > everyone else
> > > > who's a
> > > > newbie would also be confused.  As I recall in school, in
> > e

Re: [[newbie] cable modem]

[Michael R. Batchelor]

use "ipconfig /all" 

>Well that would work in win98, but I'm running win2k pro. and winipcfg
>doesn't work..

Re: [newbie] Linux Partition

[Mike Corbeil]

George Jones wrote:

> Because Widows is SUPERIOR You will never need another OS. Forget all
> of this Linux hoopla!!! Forget... Forget... You will obey the desktop
> overlord Willam Gates!
>
> Bwaahahahahahahahahahahaha
>

He at least ack'd at least twice last year that Linux is a definite
competitor for a platform.  That was refreshing to hear.  Didn't need it to
believe, but was good to hear.  Only the grunts in the trenches don't want
to admit it.

I'm sure he'll be happy to port his apps to Linux, because he's in business
to make .  Don't underestimate too much.

mike


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/19/2000 02:57:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> cc:  (bcc: George Jones/US/ABNAMRO/NL)
> Subject:[newbie] Linux Partition
>
> How come when you are in Linux, you can see your Windows partition,
>  but not
> the other way around??
>
> Andy

Re: [newbie] Linux Partition

[Mike Corbeil]

flupke wrote:

> andy wrote:
> >
> > How come when you are in Linux, you can see your Windows partition, but not
> > the other way around??
> It's because Micro$oft developpers couldn't ever think that someone uses
> zinblow$ and another OS at the same time.
> In fact, I don't think that they are aware that there are other OS'es.
> But there is a tool called explorext2fs that allows you to browse your
> ext2 filesystem from zinblow$.

Never heard of that tool before.  Is it available from MS's web site, or share
or free-ware?  I don't need it, but others here might be interested.

Have you tried it and if yes, then what did you think of it?

mike


>
>
> HTH
> Flupke

Re: [newbie] Problems with the RAM

[Charles Wackerman]

David:

I also tried the append="mem=192M" in lilo.conf and then lilo at the prompt,
didn't work.  I also tried lilo -v (which was reported to work) but no such
luck.

On the other hand Mandrake 7.0 recognizes a video card that Windows 98
refuses to recognize so I guess the extra line at log in is worth it.

Charles Wackerman

David Herman wrote:

> Fernando García Arranz wrote:
> >
> > I've got a problem with the memory of my PC in Linux. I've got 128 Mb
> > but Linux just recognize 64Mb. What can I do ? I've tried to insert the
> > line "append=128M " into the lilo.conf file , but it doesn't work. Could
> > you give an answer, please.
>
> I was having the same problem my solution was to edit lilo.conf
> so that the appropriate line reads:
>
> append="mem=128M"
> note where the quotation marks are.
>
> Then in a terminal I entered "lilo" at the prompt.
> (no quotes around the word lilo)
>
> It seems that this is needs to be done for the update to take effect.
>
> hope this helps

Re: [newbie] cd-roms

[Mike Corbeil]

David Herman wrote:

> I'm having a problem ejecting cd-roms (on a dvd drive).
>
>  If I haven't accessed the drive or if I've accessed it through kfm then
> I can eject by pushing the button on the drives face, but if I've been
> using kpackage or rpmdrake I can't eject the disc unless I try to
> install a package that is not on the current disc.

Close kpackage or rpmdrake, first, or move the current directory to one
which isn't on the cdrom or dvd drive.  Sometimes this causes umounting to
fail, because the device is still considered in use.

Closing kpackage and rpmdrake should definitely allow you to eject the cd.
If the cd still won't eject after this and you have cdrom or dvd drive icon
on your desktop, then position the mouse cursor over the icon, click the
right or left mouse button, and if a menu appears with umount or unmount as
an option, then choose that.  If an option says eject, then choose that.

kpackage is still in development, I believe.  Was as per a couple or few
months ago, the version I downloaded anyway.

If that doesn't work, then follow-up.  There are other possible solutions,
however you could also open a terminal window and run

eject /dev/hdc

or what ever /dev/hd? device file your drive is attached to, which you can
verify in the /etc/fstab file.  If that also fails, then check the man page
for eject and umount.

mike



>
>
> Is yhere a way to use the context menu to eject a disc from the
> workspace?
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> Dave

[newbie] I have Cable too

[Robert McNealy]

OK Here's the situation:

I am clueless with Linux (You're Shocked, I know):

Anyway, I installed my Mandrake over a clean Dos 6.22 on a P200/128MB.  No 
Problems there.

I have a Win98 PIII/500 that is hooked to my cable modem.

I have a static IP for each box and the modem is Currently setup like this:


Wall -->  Cable Modem --> 4 port Hub -->  PIII/500

This works fine.

I want to have:

Wall -->  Cable Modem --> 4 port Hub -->  Win98 PIII/500
 |->  Linux P200

All cables work, but I cannot get my Linux to read anything.  I can't find 
anything about setting up the "Cable Network" connection.  I am lost.  I put 
all the info for DNS, IP, etc. as best I could, but I don't think I did it 
right.

Is there a complete step by step for setting this Linux box on a network.

I know no Unix, but I will pick it up quick.  I am (was) half way through my 
MCSE, so I understand Networking in M$ fine, but this Linux is confusing the 
hell out of me.

Someone, PLEASE HELP.  I need this online by the weekend. :(

Thanks in Advance.

-Rob

"My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with 
his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive 
achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute."

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Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1

[Necrotica]

Petty issues like this should be taken to private email, kids

-Necro


On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Joe Perry wrote:
> > This may also depend on whether you're allowing only root to
> > write or make changes to the dos partitions, or also allowing users.  I
> > don't give users access to my dos partitions, albeit it's a standalone
> > system and I'm the only user anyway.
> > 
> The umask parameter in /etc/fstab is the inverse of the chmod permission mask
> for all files in this directory. By default the files are readable and 
> writeable by the user mounting the partition(if root mounts the partition, 
> either on boot or later, then root is the ONLY user that can read and write to 
> this directory). Your non-root user does not have access, this is irrespective 
> to the permissions before mounting.
> 
> umask = 0 : this directory is writable by everybody( permissions 777)
> umask = 7 : this directory is writable by the owner and his group ONLY;
> umask = 77 : this directory is writable by the owner ONLY;
> 
> I would choose one of these based on who and when the partition is mounted
> and who you wish access to. I would not recommend the first one on a networked
> computer.
> 
> You can override the owner and group of the mounted partition using the
> uid and gid parameters.
> Joseph H. Perry
> Oracle DBA
> Columbus State University
> 4225 University Ave
> Columbus, GA 31907-5645
> (706) 568-2063
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] MS Word

[Necrotica]

...of course, if you really need MS Word itself, it works great under WINE...

-Necro


On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Martin Solms wrote:
> I am looking for software that can open Word documents - I don't want to
> keep rebooting to read my bosses documents!!
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Martin

Re: [newbie] cable modem

[Jacob Aaron Holbrook]

well I called them again..and they said that they could not give them to
me because they don't know what they are...and said that they "cannot
assign static names".  This is because it uses dhcp to obtain them.


- Original Message -
From: "Valjean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [newbie] cable modem


>   I work for an ISP and I know how Technical Support can be...with as
> many calls as flood the phone center, there isn't time simply to handle
> every call that comes in with various software.  Personally when a
> customer calls to ask for DNS, mail info, I give it, or direct them to our
> website.  Check your provider's website for a "quick config sheet" or the
> like.
> Valjean
>
> On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Pittman, Merle wrote:
>
> > Exactly!  The fact that it is linux has nothing to do with it.  They are
> > still responsible to give you the information.  With my cable provider I
> > have to get the information to set up windows as well, and they are very
> > willing to give you the info.  They do not support linux but still give
you
> > the info and it is up to you to get it working.
> >
> > How can Windows set it up automatically??  Sure it can recognize the IP
> > assigned if your ISP uses Dynamic IP addressing, but how do you
configure
> > DNS and your email servers??
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jacob Aaron Holbrook [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:28 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [newbie] cable modem
> > >
> > > Not possible, as long as I want to stay on a cable modem. And that is
a
> > > definite must.
> > > I know it kinda pissed me off but her argument was that they don't
support
> > > Linuxwhat does that have to do with anything.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Pittman, Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:49 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [newbie] cable modem
> > >
> > >
> > > > They won't give you any address info??
> > > > I'd suggest switching providers if that's possible.
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Jacob Aaron Holbrook [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:00 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: [newbie] cable modem
> > > > >
> > > > > I am hooked up through a cable modem through my local provider.
> > > Windows
> > > > > detects this and sets it up by itself and this is what the
provider
> > > > > supports.  Is there a way to have Linux do the same because they
won't
> > > > > give me any information such as host address, ip address ect.
because
> > > they
> > > > > don't support Linux.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Jacob Holbrook
> > > >
> >
> >
>

[newbie] Installation Problem

[Kefka]

Hi, and thanks ahead of time.

I downloaded the 7.0 ISO and burned it to a CD-RW,
and am installing off it.
Everything works absolutely fine up until it get to the 
X configuration.. it sends the screen to my monitor fine.. high resolution.. at the 
point where it asks "Is this correct? Leaving in # seconds".
And if I select either Yes or No, it goes to the next screen - which looks exactly the 
same to me..
but that next screen is messed up - the lines are interlapping and it is all displaced.

I'm using a 4MB Voodoo Rush video card, with a 17" Panasonic E70 Monitor.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks Again.

Kefka.

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Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1

[Alan Shoemaker]

Mikethe subject that I consider closed is the conversation I
was attempting to have with you.  We very obviously disagree as
to what this forum is for and I wish to discontinue messaging
with you about it as I consider stretching this out any further
to be inappropriate for this venue.  Please don't answer this. 
Let it end.  I will not participate further.

Good bye,
Alan


Mike Corbeil wrote:
> 
> Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> 
> > Mikenever mind, you just don't seem to get it.  I consider
> > this subject closed.
> 
> Maybe for you, but if others wish to provide more educational information, then
> believe me when I tell you, I'll be glad to read it.  You can just skip the thread.
[snip]
[snip]
> mike
> 
> >
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > Mike Corbeil wrote:
> > >
> > > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mikecorrect me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's
> > > > been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't
> > > > appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert
> > > > list?  Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted
> > > > below) was not appropriate for the newbie list.  The remedy here
> > > > was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply
> > > > served to confuse the issue.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less than trivial for longer
> > [snip]
> > [snip]
> > > argumentation or discourse.
> > >
> > > mike
> > >
> > > > Alan
> > > >
> > > > Mike Corbeil wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bobyou also need to include  umask=0  on that line in
> > > > > > /etc/fstab.
> > > > >
> > > > > Must be a fairly new requirement, or there's a difference in the default
> > > > > umask value between RH 5.1 and Mandrake, because I don't need umask=0 to be
> > > > > able to write to my dos partitions.  I merely set it to noauto,rw and this
> > > > > is adequate.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only reason you'ld need to included umask=0 is because of the
> > > > > system-wide default value for it, probably defined in /etc/profile or
> > > > > /etc/bashrc.  This may also depend on whether you're allowing only root to
> > > > > write or make changes to the dos partitions, or also allowing users.  I
> > > > > don't give users access to my dos partitions, albeit it's a standalone
> > > > > system and I'm the only user anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > I read somewhere, recently, that umask should be set to 0 in the system-wide
> > > > > login scripts, but that's the opinion of one author of documentation.  If,
> > > > > however, you're going to set umask to 0 for the dos partition(s), then you
> > > > > might want to simply set the system-wide value to this anyway, which means
> > > > > you wouldn't need to include this in fstab.
> > > > >
> > > > > You'ld need to do some research through various documents which touch upon
> > > > > this subject, before taking my word as gospel.
> > > > >
> > > > > mike
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cox Family wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > another stumper for me?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just wanted to make a new directory on the DOS partition that I could
> > > > > > > put some WP8 files in (because the apostrophe comes out on the printer
> > > > > > > as something stupid in Linux right now) and it said I didn't have
> > > > > > > permission. I checked the "fstab" and hda1 includes "user" in
> > > > > > > permissions. I checked properties by right-clicking on the icon and it
> > > > > > > includes user, group and others for both read and write.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > OK, so I made the directory as super-user, gave it "a+rwx" permissions,
> > > > > > > and still couldn't save a file in it. Access denied. No permission to
> > > > > > > write or what ever
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again, what am I missing here?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bob

WAS RE: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1 NOW: BICKERING!

[Nicholas Horton]

Jesus can you people can it!?  This is getting old take your bickering off
the list.  I don't think myself or anyone else would care to hear your
personal attacks and jibes at each other.  I'm hear to learn, not to watch a
verbal boxing match.

Nick Horton

> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Corbeil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1
> 
> 
> Pittman, Merle wrote:
> 
> > YOU ARROGANT P---k!!
> >
> > So a few math and physics courses (probably from mail 
> order, or your nearest
> > community college) make you all that.  I have 2 advanced degrees in
> > engineering (electronics and computers) yet I think myself 
> no better or
> > smarter than anyone on this list and neither should you.
> 
> Having advanced degrees does not necessarily make you a 
> sharper human being,
> except that you know more about the technical business you 
> studied in.  Humans
> are not reduceable to merely technological terms.  There's a 
> hell of a lot more
> to being a  totally balanced human being than an ego trip 
> over advanced degrees
> in technology.
> 
> Don't know if you're noticed or not, but technology has also 
> been much the
> cause for the serious degradation of the natural environment 
> on this planet;
> therefore, before waving your pieces of paper, think first, 
> because these
> aren't impressive, no where as much as the continuous 
> destruction of the
> natural environment of this planet is.
> 
> If only people with might high pieces of paper in technical 
> studies  could only
> figure out that simple reality.
> 
> My arrogance is only your interpretation.  I wonder if 
> someone who waves highly
> advanced pieces of paper can figure out the simple meaning of 
> this; however, to
> give you a little assistance, what it means is that I'm not 
> at all arrogant and
> it's merely in your eyes that I am.  What I am, though, is 
> FRANK and a no-bs
> type.
> 
> If you prefer bs, pc crap, then by all means, continue to 
> live that way, if
> that's how you like to perceive the world; however, don't 
> ever pretend your two
> pieces of paper to be of any  true significance to me, for 
> reasons as stated
> above.  That's what I have to think about many so-called 
> highly educated types.
> 
> I don't reduce humanity to mathematics or science, but 
> instead take the
> opposite pov, which is to put these sciences to the service 
> of HUMANITY.  Hence
> I BELIEVE in PEOPLE, far more than I believe in the sciences 
> we discover and
> develop, but  use so atrociously.
> 
> If you don't grasp this truth, then believe me when I tell 
> you, you'll never be
> convincing, not to me.
> 
> If you knew how to read, then you'ld have realized very 
> clearly that I wasn't
> bragging, but only describing my pov and reasoning to 
> illustrate.  T'was not at
> all for bragging, because, as per above.
> 
> mike
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mike Corbeil [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:39 PM
> > > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject:  Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1
> > >
> > > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mikecorrect me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's
> > > > been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't
> > > > appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert
> > > > list?  Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted
> > > > below) was not appropriate for the newbie list.  The remedy here
> > > > was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply
> > > > served to confuse the issue.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less 
> than trivial for
> > > longer
> > > than I can recall.  When I first started learning about 
> computers and
> > > programming, my ramble wouldn't have caused any problems, 
> but then I also
> > > had a
> > > few years of math and physics behind me.  Nonetheless, if 
> I think back to
> > > before
> > > that, then I wouldn't have been put off by a more 
> thorough explanation.
> > > Heck, my
> > > father wanted me to help him remodel the house when I was 
> a mere 8 years
> > > old;
> > > therefore, I've been held to above normal expectations 
> for decades.
> > >
> > > If you're confused, then don't think that this means that 
> everyone else
> > > who's a
> > > newbie would also be confused.  As I recall in school, in 
> every course, at
> > > every
> > > level, not everyone was equally comfortable with the material.
> > >
> > > What I prefer to do when I find an answer or document too 
> complicated, is
> > > to
> > > stick with the one I was more comfortable with, as long 
> as it works.
> > > Otherwise,
> > > I just ask questions for clarification.
> > >
> > > We're not communicating between people in grade 1 of 
> elementary school,
> > > here;
> > > therefore, expect some people to provide more thorough 
> an

[newbie] mail questions

[William Neuman]

I need a program to connect to 4 different pop accounts and hold them on my
linux machine. I want my family (home LAN,5 computers) to be able to use
their various email clients to connect to the linux machine to get their
mail. All PC's are using WIN98 except for one using WIN NT WS 6.0. Running
Mandrake 7.0 connected to internet through a cable modem.

What do you suggest? How is this setup? I remember something about this
being a multiple step process. Something like one program fetching mail from
pop server, then another program taking that mail and putting it into
mailboxes. Finally the email clint to pickup the mail from the mailbox

Thanks,

Bill

[newbie] mswordview: woops, my mistake.

[Rial Juan]

Hmm, seems like the images didn't get scaled down to mere thumbnails, but that
my netscape just has an odd way to handle .png's. Anyway, when viewing the pics
with gqview, I _do_ get them at an acceptable size, so I was wrong about it.

That damn little app actually _does_ work! :-)



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Re: [RE: [newbie] Accessing NT lan from Linux - SERIOUSLY - I desperat ely need help on this, guys...]

[Ed Tharp]

allow me to make this correction. Sambar is the last name of a programmer
who has written a web server for windows 9* and NT, it is offered as a free
download without complete proxy support or as a paid download with complete
proxy service. I have used the free version at home with a dynamic IP
server. I liked it enough to decide to try linux and apache. www.sambar.com
and www.ods.org .
- Original Message -
From: Jaguar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [RE: [newbie] Accessing NT lan from Linux - SERIOUSLY - I
desperat ely need help on this, guys...]


> Apparently there is also a Windows version of Samba...called Sambar, maybe
> that is what your looking for??
> HTH
> Jaguar
>
> Nicholas Horton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As far as I know that is what SAMBA was for.  www.samba.org
> >
> > Nick Horton
> > 1998 Cavalier Z24 5-Speed
> > Weapon-R Intake, RKSport Front Engine Mount Insert, Hellwig Rear
Swaybar,
> > Powerslot Slotted Rotors, Freedom Design Front Strut Tower Brace, TPS
Line
> > Conditioner
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 5:22 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [newbie] Accessing NT lan from Linux - SERIOUSLY - I
> > > desperately need help on this, guys...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I've asked about this before, and haven't heard anything - How do you
> > > access/map/mount NT lan drives when you're running Linux on an NT lan?
> > >
> > >
>
>
> The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma.
>
> 
> Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at
http://webmail.netscape.com.
>
>

Re: [newbie] cable modem

[Vic]

Do you have a static IP or a dynamic IP?

If you have a dynamic IP address, mandrake should set this
up automatically if, during the install process you tell it
to set up your network card with dynamic IP.

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> 
> I am hooked up through a cable modem through my local provider.  Windows detects 
>this and sets it up by itself and this is what the provider supports.  Is there a way 
>to have Linux do the same because they won't give me any information such as host 
>address, ip address ect. because they don't support Linux.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jacob Holbrook
> 


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[newbie] Linux issues

[Nathaniel Gleicher]

I've just installed Mandrake 7.0, and although it's mostly working, I'm
having a few problems of varying degrees of seriousness... if anyone
could help, or give me a suggestion, that would be much appreciated:
*just as a note, I've got a pentium 3 with one hard-drive for windows
98 and another for linux, so both operating systems are on their own
drive...
The most noticeable affect that installing madnrake has had has been
that windows now runs quite slowly on certain tasks. Upon boot-up, the
computer freezes for about 45 secs before continuing. Also, when trying
to do things like play a music cd, there is a 30 second pause between
each song... One thing that I have noticed is that when opening explorer
in windows, my D drive (the one with linux installed) is beign
recognized as a cd drive... Could this be causing my slowing down? most
of the times it freezes could be when it is accessing the cd drive... Is
there any way for me to fix windows so that it does not even pay
attention to the other hard-drive, or something of that sort? I've been
playing around with settings, but haven't seen anything...

My other problems are with linux, and not quite as frustrating. First,
I have been unable to connect to the internet using an ethernet
connection... if someone could point me to a good howto/faq on this
topic, I should be able to figure it out myself. I've been setting a
number of different bvariables in linuxconf, but I think I'm missing or
misreading something...
Also, I can't get my soundcard recognized... this, however, is due
largely to the fact that I haven't figured out how to run the sound
config utility yet... 

that's about it... thanks very much for any help 
~Nathaniel :)

[newbie] disk maintenance

[Arild Sunde]

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Does anyone know how to maintain a fat-partition under Linux? 
Preferably diskcheck and defragging.

Thanks

MVH
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Re: [newbie] Problems with the RAM

[David Herman]

Fernando García Arranz wrote:
> 
> I've got a problem with the memory of my PC in Linux. I've got 128 Mb
> but Linux just recognize 64Mb. What can I do ? I've tried to insert the
> line "append=128M " into the lilo.conf file , but it doesn't work. Could
> you give an answer, please.

I was having the same problem my solution was to edit lilo.conf
so that the appropriate line reads:

append="mem=128M"
note where the quotation marks are.

Then in a terminal I entered "lilo" at the prompt.
(no quotes around the word lilo)

It seems that this is needs to be done for the update to take effect.

hope this helps

Re: [[newbie] cable modem]

[Jacob Aaron Holbrook]

Well that would work in win98, but I'm running win2k pro. and winipcfg
doesn't work..
- Original Message -
From: "Jaguar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [[newbie] cable modem]


> In Windows...click the START button, choose RUN, type in "winipcfg" <--
> without quotes...choose MORE INFO, and there are all your IP/DNS/etc
> there...write them down, then in Linux setup NIC/DHCP (not sure myself as
my
> cable IP is static, and I get by without using DHCP), read the HOWTO's,
and
> get more confused...then ask for additional help in here...:)
> HTH
> Jaguar
>
> "Jacob Aaron Holbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > -
> > Attachment:
> > MIME Type: multipart/alternative
> > -
> > I am hooked up through a cable modem through my local provider.  Windows
> detects this and sets it up by itself and this is what the provider
supports.
> Is there a way to have Linux do the same because they won't give me any
> information such as host address, ip address ect. because they don't
support
> Linux.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jacob Holbrook
>
>
> The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma.
>
> 
> Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at
http://webmail.netscape.com.
>

Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1

[Mike Corbeil]

Alan Shoemaker wrote:

> Mikenever mind, you just don't seem to get it.  I consider
> this subject closed.

Maybe for you, but if others wish to provide more educational information, then
believe me when I tell you, I'll be glad to read it.  You can just skip the thread.

Never prevent others from learning topics that are useful and are relevant to newbies
to Linux.  Some don't want to read it and some do; therefore, those who don't can
just skip, while letting those who wish to learn more, gain the knowledge others are
willing to share.

This rule of thumb should be so simple and straightforward that no one should ever
feel any need to comment about whether a thread should closed, because you're not the
God over what others care to share and learn, especially when it's related to the
mailing list.  If it was a topic unrelated to the mailing list,  or more suitable for
the other mailing list(s), then I wouldn't disagree, but the topic is related to this
mailing list, and a couple of others have shown their support, one by also saying
that he/she likes to learn and the other providing more knowledge.

If you can explain what's wrong with that, then I'm prepared to read your pov.

mike


>
>
> Alan
>
> Mike Corbeil wrote:
> >
> > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> >
> > > Mikecorrect me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's
> > > been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't
> > > appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert
> > > list?  Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted
> > > below) was not appropriate for the newbie list.  The remedy here
> > > was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply
> > > served to confuse the issue.
> > >
> >
> > Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less than trivial for longer
> [snip]
> [snip]
> > argumentation or discourse.
> >
> > mike
> >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > Mike Corbeil wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Bobyou also need to include  umask=0  on that line in
> > > > > /etc/fstab.
> > > >
> > > > Must be a fairly new requirement, or there's a difference in the default
> > > > umask value between RH 5.1 and Mandrake, because I don't need umask=0 to be
> > > > able to write to my dos partitions.  I merely set it to noauto,rw and this
> > > > is adequate.
> > > >
> > > > The only reason you'ld need to included umask=0 is because of the
> > > > system-wide default value for it, probably defined in /etc/profile or
> > > > /etc/bashrc.  This may also depend on whether you're allowing only root to
> > > > write or make changes to the dos partitions, or also allowing users.  I
> > > > don't give users access to my dos partitions, albeit it's a standalone
> > > > system and I'm the only user anyway.
> > > >
> > > > I read somewhere, recently, that umask should be set to 0 in the system-wide
> > > > login scripts, but that's the opinion of one author of documentation.  If,
> > > > however, you're going to set umask to 0 for the dos partition(s), then you
> > > > might want to simply set the system-wide value to this anyway, which means
> > > > you wouldn't need to include this in fstab.
> > > >
> > > > You'ld need to do some research through various documents which touch upon
> > > > this subject, before taking my word as gospel.
> > > >
> > > > mike
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Alan
> > > > >
> > > > > Cox Family wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > another stumper for me?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just wanted to make a new directory on the DOS partition that I could
> > > > > > put some WP8 files in (because the apostrophe comes out on the printer
> > > > > > as something stupid in Linux right now) and it said I didn't have
> > > > > > permission. I checked the "fstab" and hda1 includes "user" in
> > > > > > permissions. I checked properties by right-clicking on the icon and it
> > > > > > includes user, group and others for both read and write.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, so I made the directory as super-user, gave it "a+rwx" permissions,
> > > > > > and still couldn't save a file in it. Access denied. No permission to
> > > > > > write or what ever
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again, what am I missing here?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob

Re: [newbie] Linux Partition

[George Jones]

Because Widows is SUPERIOR You will never need another OS. Forget all 
of this Linux hoopla!!! Forget... Forget... You will obey the desktop 
overlord Willam Gates! 


Bwaahahahahahahahahahahaha





[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/19/2000 02:57:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:  (bcc: George Jones/US/ABNAMRO/NL)
Subject:[newbie] Linux Partition

How come when you are in Linux, you can see your Windows partition,
 but not
the other way around??

Andy

[newbie] MS Word follow up

[duncan]

Martin 

Theres a program called MSwordview its been installed into my
utilities/text group. Version 0.5.14bw6-1 mdk and it understands office
97 word files fine.

It came with my Mandrake 7.0 disk but should be available over the web
it works a treat.

Hope this helps

Duncan Bayne

Re: [newbie] Linux Partition

[flupke]

andy wrote:
> 
> How come when you are in Linux, you can see your Windows partition, but not
> the other way around??
It's because Micro$oft developpers couldn't ever think that someone uses
zinblow$ and another OS at the same time.
In fact, I don't think that they are aware that there are other OS'es.
But there is a tool called explorext2fs that allows you to browse your
ext2 filesystem from zinblow$.

HTH
Flupke

Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1

[Mike Corbeil]

Pittman, Merle wrote:

> YOU ARROGANT P---k!!
>
> So a few math and physics courses (probably from mail order, or your nearest
> community college) make you all that.  I have 2 advanced degrees in
> engineering (electronics and computers) yet I think myself no better or
> smarter than anyone on this list and neither should you.

Having advanced degrees does not necessarily make you a sharper human being,
except that you know more about the technical business you studied in.  Humans
are not reduceable to merely technological terms.  There's a hell of a lot more
to being a  totally balanced human being than an ego trip over advanced degrees
in technology.

Don't know if you're noticed or not, but technology has also been much the
cause for the serious degradation of the natural environment on this planet;
therefore, before waving your pieces of paper, think first, because these
aren't impressive, no where as much as the continuous destruction of the
natural environment of this planet is.

If only people with might high pieces of paper in technical studies  could only
figure out that simple reality.

My arrogance is only your interpretation.  I wonder if someone who waves highly
advanced pieces of paper can figure out the simple meaning of this; however, to
give you a little assistance, what it means is that I'm not at all arrogant and
it's merely in your eyes that I am.  What I am, though, is FRANK and a no-bs
type.

If you prefer bs, pc crap, then by all means, continue to live that way, if
that's how you like to perceive the world; however, don't ever pretend your two
pieces of paper to be of any  true significance to me, for reasons as stated
above.  That's what I have to think about many so-called highly educated types.

I don't reduce humanity to mathematics or science, but instead take the
opposite pov, which is to put these sciences to the service of HUMANITY.  Hence
I BELIEVE in PEOPLE, far more than I believe in the sciences we discover and
develop, but  use so atrociously.

If you don't grasp this truth, then believe me when I tell you, you'll never be
convincing, not to me.

If you knew how to read, then you'ld have realized very clearly that I wasn't
bragging, but only describing my pov and reasoning to illustrate.  T'was not at
all for bragging, because, as per above.

mike


>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mike Corbeil [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:39 PM
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:  Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1
> >
> > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> >
> > > Mikecorrect me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's
> > > been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't
> > > appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert
> > > list?  Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted
> > > below) was not appropriate for the newbie list.  The remedy here
> > > was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply
> > > served to confuse the issue.
> > >
> >
> > Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less than trivial for
> > longer
> > than I can recall.  When I first started learning about computers and
> > programming, my ramble wouldn't have caused any problems, but then I also
> > had a
> > few years of math and physics behind me.  Nonetheless, if I think back to
> > before
> > that, then I wouldn't have been put off by a more thorough explanation.
> > Heck, my
> > father wanted me to help him remodel the house when I was a mere 8 years
> > old;
> > therefore, I've been held to above normal expectations for decades.
> >
> > If you're confused, then don't think that this means that everyone else
> > who's a
> > newbie would also be confused.  As I recall in school, in every course, at
> > every
> > level, not everyone was equally comfortable with the material.
> >
> > What I prefer to do when I find an answer or document too complicated, is
> > to
> > stick with the one I was more comfortable with, as long as it works.
> > Otherwise,
> > I just ask questions for clarification.
> >
> > We're not communicating between people in grade 1 of elementary school,
> > here;
> > therefore, expect some people to provide more thorough answers.  When you
> > don't
> > like it, move on.  If newbies seeking help scream in panic, then this will
> > definitely help to indicate that what you say is true, but as it is,
> > you're
> > pretending to be able to speak for them, instead of letting them speak for
> > themselves.
> >
> > As a relative newbie to Linux systems administration, but not to Unix and
> > programming, I presented information I learned as a newbie to Linux
> > systems
> > administration, and based on this, the additional info wasn't out of
> > context.
> >
> > Besides, newbies also need to learn the system and some will catch on very
> > quickly, while those who don't, can either ask for clarification, or stick
> > with
> > the simpler responses they've received.
> >
> > How

Re: [newbie] cable modem

[Larry C]

In Windows: Start-run-winipcfg-enter
you have to type in winipcfg in the "open" box.
I believe this will give you most of what you need

- Original Message -
From: "Jacob Aaron Holbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] cable modem


> Not possible, as long as I want to stay on a cable modem. And that is a
> definite must.
> I know it kinda pissed me off but her argument was that they don't support
> Linuxwhat does that have to do with anything.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Pittman, Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:49 PM
> Subject: RE: [newbie] cable modem
>
>
> > They won't give you any address info??
> > I'd suggest switching providers if that's possible.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jacob Aaron Holbrook [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:00 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [newbie] cable modem
> > >
> > > I am hooked up through a cable modem through my local provider.
Windows
> > > detects this and sets it up by itself and this is what the provider
> > > supports.  Is there a way to have Linux do the same because they won't
> > > give me any information such as host address, ip address ect. because
> they
> > > don't support Linux.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jacob Holbrook
> >
>
>

Re(2): [newbie] cable modem

[Lee Kinkade]

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>well that didn't work now did it..anyways like I was saying.  As long
>as
>I want to stay on a cable modem, I can't change.  Her argument was that
>they
>don't support Linux.why would that make a difference if they give me
>the
>info or not..
>- Original Message -
>From: "Pittman, Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:49 PM
>Subject: RE: [newbie] cable modem
>
>
>> They won't give you any address info??
>> I'd suggest switching providers if that's possible.
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Jacob Aaron Holbrook [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:00 PM
>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Subject: [newbie] cable modem
>> >
>> > I am hooked up through a cable modem through my local provider. 
>Windows
>> > detects this and sets it up by itself and this is what the provider
>> > supports.  Is there a way to have Linux do the same because they won't
>> > give me any information such as host address, ip address ect. because
>they
>> > don't support Linux.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jacob Holbrook
>>

well if windows works, you should be able to get that info from windows. 
@home was glad to give me all that info, even though they don't really
support linux.

Lee Kinkade

Re: [newbie] Linux Partition

[Mike Corbeil]

andy wrote:

> How come when you are in Linux, you can see your Windows partition, but not
> the other way around??
>
> Andy

Becasuse MS doesn't like competitors.

However, you can get software which provides the capability or functionality
you asked about, and Exceed is one such tool, from Hummingbird.

mike

Re: [newbie] Linux Partition

[Larry C]

- Original Message -
From: "andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 1:22 PM
Subject: [newbie] Linux Partition

Lets just say you are embarking on a journey into a OS that will blow your
mind with all the things it does that windows can't.


> How come when you are in Linux, you can see your Windows partition, but
not
> the other way around??
>
> Andy
>
>

Re: [newbie] Supermount

[Kritifile]

Mike Corbeil wrote:
> 
> Jim Adams wrote:
> 
> > How do I safely remove supermount from fstab?
> 
> Use a filesystem configuration tool.  I don't know what your gui
> environment is, however you may find a tool in the desktop, and there
> are tools which can be run from the command line shell, like linuxconf
> and fsconf (I use linuxconf, so far).  There's surely  one for Mandrake,
> called drak{something}, maybe drakconf.  Look around, bring up the tools
> you can find, and investigate.  These all have gui's; therefore, you
> should be able to quickly find one which has a supermount option you can
> toggle.
> 
> mike

Drakconf is in the KDE GUI for Mandrake, but I haven't got
round to checking if it can be used to remove supermount. It
is a very easy to use graphical tool, but doesn't seem to
have the same power as linuxconf. I'm very new myself, but I
had Red Hat for 2 weeks before I got Mandrake to instal
properly and spent most of that time messing around in
linuxconfig. It's fairly easy to remove the mounting of a
disk there.   
-- 
Lesley Lawless

Re: [[newbie] cable modem]

[Jaguar]

In Windows...click the START button, choose RUN, type in "winipcfg" <--
without quotes...choose MORE INFO, and there are all your IP/DNS/etc
there...write them down, then in Linux setup NIC/DHCP (not sure myself as my
cable IP is static, and I get by without using DHCP), read the HOWTO's, and
get more confused...then ask for additional help in here...:)
HTH
Jaguar

"Jacob Aaron Holbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> - 
>   Attachment:  
>   MIME Type: multipart/alternative 
> - 
> I am hooked up through a cable modem through my local provider.  Windows
detects this and sets it up by itself and this is what the provider supports. 
Is there a way to have Linux do the same because they won't give me any
information such as host address, ip address ect. because they don't support
Linux.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jacob Holbrook


The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma.


Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at 
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RE: [newbie] cable modem

[Pittman, Merle]

Exactly!  The fact that it is linux has nothing to do with it.  They are
still responsible to give you the information.  With my cable provider I
have to get the information to set up windows as well, and they are very
willing to give you the info.  They do not support linux but still give you
the info and it is up to you to get it working.

How can Windows set it up automatically??  Sure it can recognize the IP
assigned if your ISP uses Dynamic IP addressing, but how do you configure
DNS and your email servers??

> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Aaron Holbrook [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:28 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [newbie] cable modem
> 
> Not possible, as long as I want to stay on a cable modem. And that is a
> definite must.
> I know it kinda pissed me off but her argument was that they don't support
> Linuxwhat does that have to do with anything.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Pittman, Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:49 PM
> Subject: RE: [newbie] cable modem
> 
> 
> > They won't give you any address info??
> > I'd suggest switching providers if that's possible.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jacob Aaron Holbrook [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:00 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [newbie] cable modem
> > >
> > > I am hooked up through a cable modem through my local provider.
> Windows
> > > detects this and sets it up by itself and this is what the provider
> > > supports.  Is there a way to have Linux do the same because they won't
> > > give me any information such as host address, ip address ect. because
> they
> > > don't support Linux.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jacob Holbrook
> >

Re: [newbie] MS Word

[Don W. Jenkins]

Star Office from Sun will read Word documents.  I use it for that reason.
Hint, though, don't save the word docs as rtf, but as .docs, as it works
better.  Star Office is a huge download, but it is free.

Don J.

Martin Solms wrote:

> I am looking for software that can open Word documents - I don't want to
> keep rebooting to read my bosses documents!!
>
> Thanks
>
> Martin

--
My dual-boot system
Works better than
my Z, and isn't as greasey.
Do good stuff!

Re: [newbie] Linux Partition

[Kritifile]

andy wrote:
> 
> How come when you are in Linux, you can see your Windows partition, but not
> the other way around??
> 
> Andy

Because Linux is network-aware and Windows is blind? At
least you can see and use other operating systems in Linux,
it can act as a server to another disk on the same machine,
Windows doesn't want any other OS to exist.


-- 
Lesley Lawless

Re: [newbie] cable modem

[Jacob Aaron Holbrook]

well that didn't work now did it..anyways like I was saying.  As long as
I want to stay on a cable modem, I can't change.  Her argument was that they
don't support Linux.why would that make a difference if they give me the
info or not..
- Original Message -
From: "Pittman, Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:49 PM
Subject: RE: [newbie] cable modem


> They won't give you any address info??
> I'd suggest switching providers if that's possible.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jacob Aaron Holbrook [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:00 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [newbie] cable modem
> >
> > I am hooked up through a cable modem through my local provider.  Windows
> > detects this and sets it up by itself and this is what the provider
> > supports.  Is there a way to have Linux do the same because they won't
> > give me any information such as host address, ip address ect. because
they
> > don't support Linux.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jacob Holbrook
>

Re: [newbie] Major Problem----still

[J D]

we do use mcse for our programming needs.  however, my professor learned 
using unix, so i don't see why he would have a problem.  my only problem is 
that i can't get it running correctly right now.  but  i came up with a few 
possible reasons, and i'm gonna test them tonight and we'll see what happens

>From: Mike Corbeil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [newbie] Major Problemstill
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:29:44 -0400
>
>J D wrote:
>
> > yeah, you're right.  i'm gonna e-mail an expert list about this.  the 
>only
> > problem is that i'm so short on time (who would have thought becoming an
> > engineer would require so much time??? ;) ).  man, i picked a bad time 
>to
> > install linux.  wait, there's never a bad time to get away from the
> > frustrating blue screen of death every time you go to compile code you 
>just
> > wrote.  too bad i can't submit my programming homework in unix.  damn 
>this
> > university's use of windows!
>
>Speak with your professor(s).  I don't see why they'ld prevent you from 
>doing
>your homework with Linux.
>
>The school should be unbiased in this respect, unless your program is MCSE 
>or
>something specific to MS.  If it's a general university program, then the 
>profs
>would need to be dorks for refusing valid work done on Linux.
>
>Linux is growing in use and popularity, and is based on and very similar to
>Unix in many respects, with Unix being a platform used considerably in
>industry; more important than MS anyway.  If you were in a MIS program,
>specializing in office computing, then MS would be understandable, albeit 
>Linux
>will become competitive in this area, too.  For engineering, I'm surprised
>they're not using a Unix variant, albeit many engineering firms began
>converting much of their infrastructure to MS a couple or few years ago, 
>but
>only due to pricing, as far as I was told and know (now, MS Windows 2000 
>Server
>is expensive, albeit Windows 2000 WS may be less expensive than Unix WSs, 
>but
>certainly not less expensive than Linux).
>
>If you'ld really like to be able to do your work with Linux, then ask, 
>before
>jumping to absolute conclusions.  If the school's not going to give you a 
>MCSE,
>then the school shouldn't have any moral right to prevent you from using
>Linux.  If the profs refuse and you have a few more years of schooling
>involved, then you might consider contesting and appealing to the next 
>higher
>level of the court.
>
>Maybe your profs don't know Unix or Linux, and they might use this as a 
>basis
>to refuse work done on Linux, but that's only a lazy approach, instead of a
>moral one.  They should encourage students to use Linux, because schooling 
>is
>already expensive enough without needing to purchase expensive OSs, like
>Windows 2000.
>
>mike
>
>
> >
> >
> > >From: Mike Corbeil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: [newbie] Major Problemstill
> > >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:55:38 -0400
> > >
> > >BILL wrote:
> > >
> > > > J D wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > okay, i've tried several things to fix my major problem.  nothing 
>has
> > > > > worked.  so how do i format my linux partition?  last night i got
> > >bored and
> > > > > tried rm -rf / as i read to never do this unless i wanted 
>to
> > > > > reinstall linux.  but it didn't work.  help!
> > >
> > >I would not suggest doing that, ever.  There are better, more 
>appropriate,
> > >ways
> > >of reinstalling linux or any OS.  If you do rm -rf /, then this means 
>to
> > >remove
> > >the root directory and I've never done this, but know that rm -rf /* 
>will
> > >remove
> > >everything under the root directory.  rm -rf / probably does the same
> > >thing, but
> > >based on other contexts, this would also remove /.  In either case, 
>this
> > >would
> > >mean not being able to shutdown or reboot the system using any command,
> > >because
> > >everything would be gone.
> > >
> > >You've got to explain your problem, because as you should obviously 
>see,
> > >there's
> > >no description left of your problem, if you ever described it.
> > >
> > >You want help.  Help others to help you.  Explain what your problem is,
> > >with more
> > >detail.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > __
> > > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> > > >
> > > > Okay, I don't truley know if this will help your MAJOR problem,but 
>as a
> > >newbie
> > > > I have had times where I too did somthing somewheres that sent my
> > >partitions
> > > > kablooey.Tried lots of stuff that did n't work and wound up
> > >'reinstalling" but
> > > > installing another distro ;like Caldera,and letting it clean up the
> > >partitions
> > > > when it installed,then I went back and reinstalled mandrake after 
>the
> > >fact
> > > > when I saw that the Caldera was successful. I've done this a few 
>times
> > >and it
> > > > has worked for

Re: [newbie] cable modem

[Jacob Aaron Holbrook]

Not possible, as long as I want to stay on a cable modem. And that is a
definite must.
I know it kinda pissed me off but her argument was that they don't support
Linuxwhat does that have to do with anything.


- Original Message -
From: "Pittman, Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:49 PM
Subject: RE: [newbie] cable modem


> They won't give you any address info??
> I'd suggest switching providers if that's possible.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jacob Aaron Holbrook [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:00 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [newbie] cable modem
> >
> > I am hooked up through a cable modem through my local provider.  Windows
> > detects this and sets it up by itself and this is what the provider
> > supports.  Is there a way to have Linux do the same because they won't
> > give me any information such as host address, ip address ect. because
they
> > don't support Linux.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jacob Holbrook
>

[newbie] cable modem

[Jacob Aaron Holbrook]

I am hooked up through a cable modem through my local provider.  Windows 
detects this and sets it up by itself and this is what the provider 
supports.  Is there a way to have Linux do the same because they won't 
give me any information such as host address, ip address ect. because 
they don't support Linux.

thanks,
Jacob Holbrook

RE: [newbie] cable modem

[Pittman, Merle]

They won't give you any address info??
I'd suggest switching providers if that's possible.

> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Aaron Holbrook [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:00 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [newbie] cable modem
> 
> I am hooked up through a cable modem through my local provider.  Windows
> detects this and sets it up by itself and this is what the provider
> supports.  Is there a way to have Linux do the same because they won't
> give me any information such as host address, ip address ect. because they
> don't support Linux.
>  
> Thanks,
> Jacob Holbrook

[newbie] cable modem

[Jacob Aaron Holbrook]

I am hooked up through a cable modem through my 
local provider.  Windows detects this and sets it up by itself and this is 
what the provider supports.  Is there a way to have Linux do the same 
because they won't give me any information such as host address, ip address ect. 
because they don't support Linux.
 
Thanks,
Jacob Holbrook

[newbie] Linux Partition

[andy]

How come when you are in Linux, you can see your Windows partition, but not
the other way around??

Andy

Re: [newbie] Problems with the RAM

[mike]

If you go to linuxnewbie.org and read the article "Where's the RAM" I
think you will be able to solve the problem.

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Fernando Garcia Arranz wrote:
> I've got a problem with the memory of my PC in Linux. I've got 128 Mb
> but Linux just recognize 64Mb. What can I do ? I've tried to insert the
> line "append=128M " into the lilo.conf file , but it doesn't work. Could
> you give an answer, please.

Re: [newbie] Programming

[joe_reynolds]

"Stephen F. Bosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04/19/2000 10:41:31 AM

Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:(bcc: Joe Reynolds/ISSC/Texas Utilities)
Subject:  Re: [newbie] Programming



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> take me of the lsit

As soon as I figure out what a "LSIT" is

Re: [newbie] lots of crashes && How to reinstall && others (3 in 1!!!!)

[cdunkir]

I had the same with RED HAT. What I did is the following
 1. I started a install of Caldera. I then aborted out of it. Now my
disk was trashed.
 2. Reinstalled Red-Hat seamed stable. Still crashed
 3. Got mandrake from a Magazine made boot disk and reinstalled.
 They say you can reinstall over corrupted but I think it is better to
start out fresh.
 My troubles with Red Hat were 1. couldn't get printer to work 2.
Couldn't get to internet -modem would dial.
 Now with Madrake  -printer works fine. I never hear the modem start so
I'm down to 1 problem. An improvement but still not right. when I got to
internet I only see netscape and not kppp.
take careChuck Dunkirk
CNE,CCNA,CCDA

Mohamed Saad wrote:

> Hello everyone...
> How are you? hope everything is allright!
>
> well... I am really having lots of troubles! Linux is
> currently crashing at a rate of 2 time per day!! ( i
> use it for just 1 hour/day!!!)! the problem is that
> every time it crashes, i have to press reset, which
> makes it crash even more and so on
>
> so... How can i reinstall Linux?
> can i just begin the installation process again, and
> it will replace all corrupted files? or must i remove
> the linux partitions first??
>
> btw, where does linux store the fonts? how can i
> install more fonts??
>
> well.. what do i do if i get a program that require
> some old X files (hehe! :) like libXt.so.3?? How can i
> run the program without having to recopile it from
> sources? please explain in details!!
>
> thank you...
> Urs forever...
> Mohamed Saad
>
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites.
> http://invites.yahoo.com

Re: [newbie] Supermount

[Mike Corbeil]

Jim Adams wrote:

> How do I safely remove supermount from fstab?

Use a filesystem configuration tool.  I don't know what your gui
environment is, however you may find a tool in the desktop, and there
are tools which can be run from the command line shell, like linuxconf
and fsconf (I use linuxconf, so far).  There's surely  one for Mandrake,
called drak{something}, maybe drakconf.  Look around, bring up the tools
you can find, and investigate.  These all have gui's; therefore, you
should be able to quickly find one which has a supermount option you can
toggle.


mike

Re: [newbie] more LILO trouble

[Mike Corbeil]

Neville Cobb wrote:

> Hi, a copy of my lilo.conf is attached if that is of any use.

I don't like attachments, because ya never know what they might contain.  I don't 
think that attachments should be used in these mailing lists.  I'm not going to open 
it, which
means that I don't know if the lilo.conf shown below is your's or that of Leanne.

> Nev
>
> Leanne Leith wrote:
>
> > Some wonderful person told me that I could fix my LILO problem by typing in LILO 
>from the super user prompt.  The result was "Syntax error near line 2 in 
>file/etc/lilo.conf"
> >
> > The problem is that the second line of lilo.conf is missing a word, and how would 
>we know what that is?  does anyone know?
> >
> > All the other lines have "***= something"
> > My second line has "root=  "
>

What's on the rhs of root=?

You need to specify the /dev/hd[ab]{n} file associated with your root (/) partition, 
there.

For example, one of my configurations has /boot on hda5 and root or / on hda12 (not 
sure why it got shoved that far up, but t'was the install  program which did this).   
Hence,
for root=, I have

root=/dev/hda12

mike



> >
> 
> boot=/dev/hda5
> map=/boot/map
> install=/boot/boot.b
> vga=normal
> default=linux
> keytable=/boot/us.klt
> prompt
> timeout=100
> message=/boot/message
> other=/dev/hda1
> label=windows
> table=/dev/hda
> other=/dev/fd0
> label=floppy
> unsafe
> image=/boot/vmlinuz
> label=linux
> root=/dev/hda6
> append="hdd=ide-scsi"
> read-only

Re: [newbie] Programming

[Mike Corbeil]

Rob Edwards wrote:

> I have found that the best one so far is KDevelop, writing in C++.  Let me know if 
>you know of a better one cause I really could do with it, but in my limited use of 
>Linux this is the best yet.

That could be fine for people wanting to focus on gui development with KDE, however 
there are also other factors to consider.  One factor is what country  the person is 
in.  If in the USA, then I wouldn't focus overly much on gui development, because this
is work which can be easily shipped overseas, or for which less expensive foreign 
labor is brought in to do.  Been in that situation and not only observed it, but also 
experienced it.

If you're in the USA and American, then it might be better to develop skills for work 
which can't be done from overseas.  Examples are systems and network administration 
when these involve setting up systems.  Systems can be administrated from remote, but
they definitely can't be set up from remote.  Systems adminstration also often 
requires being on-site.  Hence, these types of skills are more secure with respect to 
employment, for those for whom this could be a concern.

Database administration is probably also more secure than sw development and 
engineering.

As for KDevelop, I'm not sure and can't really recommend one way or the other, but can 
open the floor for discussion by saying that KDE is only one of several or many window 
manager and desktop environments for Linux, and isn't used on Unix, at least not
as far as I'm aware.  In this respect, I'ld open the floor to comments regarding what 
gui environment would be better to learn, first:  KDE, GNOME, X, Motif, ...

I would put forth the idea that learning to develop tools or apps that will run well 
in any wm and desktop gui environment would be the better approach, because, then, 
your skills or knowledge are restricted to only one environment.  On the other hand,
I believe KDE will increasingly become more commonly used on Linux boxes; therefore, 
this is not to knock KDE, which is the wm and desktop I've been using for a few months.

If you don't mind "specializinig", then whether you choose KDE or GNOME to develop 
skills with should not matter too much.  I look at it, however, from an income point 
of view.  For example, if there's no income to be made developing in KDE, but there is
in developing with GNOME, then shouldn't be too difficult to guess which of the two 
I'ld choose; and vice versa.  Etcetera

If you wish to start your own small development business, or you wish to work for KDE, 
or a Linux disbributor, then look at what skills would be appropriate.  If you wish to 
work on large systems for large companies, then there are other considerations,
some at the skill level and some with respect to what's been going on with respect to 
massive immigration and the replacement of Americans with foreigners, as well as all 
of this leading to age discrimination.

This hasn't happened to all Americans, however for Americans envisioning finding 
employment in the USA, there are definitely factors which immediately exist to give 
due consideration to.  I am one among many who knows this reality.

People in other countries don't have this market factor to worry about, albeit 
recently read that similar circumstances are evolving in Germany.

Also, look at market factors, how you want to work, and the kind of work you want to 
do.
E.g., sole proprietor vendor, sole proprietor consultant, or employee, for large 
systems, business systems, telephony, web - intranet/internet -, gui, database, 
systems and or network installation and administration, ...  Consider what technical 
line is
of potential interest, how you want to work, and market factors.

I don't know what the future is going to be for Americans who focused on developing 
gui development skills, but know from experience and observations that many foreigners 
are hired for this work and placed in environments were they sit elbow to elbow.

People in other countries may have market factors worth considering, but I'm only 
aware of what's been going on and continuing to go on in the USA, as well as what some 
large German companies recently said they plan on doing, bringing in many foreigners.
I don't have a link to that article; therefore, for people in Germany, or planning on 
looking for work there, this might be worth researching.

If, however, people wish to develop programming skills more as a hobby, with or 
without the potential, eventual, possibility, of being able to earn "side" income from 
these skills, then there's definitely far less need to be concerned about what you
learn.  In that case, take the basic skills, like bash and Perl, learn these, explore 
what can be done with these, and then read up on other areas, in "belated" parallel, 
to see what else would trigger interest.

All newbies interested in programming can find some relevant information in this.  
Those just wanting to develop a hobby have the easy p

Re: Re(2): [newbie] Books

[Phil Murphy]

Just picked up Complete Idiot's (with Caldera) for my 486 (had difficulties
with Mandrake 486 :(   and am pleased with the book. Caldera seems a bit
slow on my 486, although it may be due to only 32 megs. The book does a good
job of introducing Linux. Also, have read Linux for Dummies.
Phil

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 12:13 AM
Subject: Re(2): [newbie] Books


> On 18/04/00, at 22:46, Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>
> >On the contrary, I've used quite a few 'xxx for dummies' books, and they
> >give you a great start on a topic in simple language (not everyone has a
> >computer science degree).
>
> I agree as well.  There is a good one called The Complete Idiot's Guide
> to Linux, that has a good intro to KDE and basic command line stuff.
>
> Kirk
>
>
> vice versa
>   Translations - French to English, English to French | Technical Writing
>   Traductions francais-anglais, anglais-francais  | Redaction
technique
>   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
.
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.mcelhearn.com
>   Kirk McElhearn | Chemin de la Lauze | 05600 Guillestre | France
>

Re: [newbie] Programming

[Stephen F. Bosch]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> take me of the lsit

Sure thing, man.

Re: [newbie] Supermount

[Jim Adams]

Thanks!
At 09:29 AM 4/19/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Jimin a console, as root, type:
>
>   supermount disable
>
>Alan
>
>
>Jim Adams wrote:
> >
> > How do I safely remove supermount from fstab?

Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1

[Valjean]

   Actually, Mike's response was right on the mark, he gets it more than
you think.  I for one want to learn.  I have learned from the (mostly)
good folks on this list.
Valjean

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Alan Shoemaker wrote:

> Mikenever mind, you just don't seem to get it.  I consider
> this subject closed.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> Mike Corbeil wrote:
> > 
> > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> > 
> > > Mikecorrect me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's
> > > been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't
> > > appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert
> > > list?  Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted
> > > below) was not appropriate for the newbie list.  The remedy here
> > > was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply
> > > served to confuse the issue.
> > >
> > 
> > Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less than trivial for longer
> [snip]
> [snip]
> > argumentation or discourse.
> > 
> > mike
> > 
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > Mike Corbeil wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Bobyou also need to include  umask=0  on that line in
> > > > > /etc/fstab.
> > > >
> > > > Must be a fairly new requirement, or there's a difference in the default
> > > > umask value between RH 5.1 and Mandrake, because I don't need umask=0 to be
> > > > able to write to my dos partitions.  I merely set it to noauto,rw and this
> > > > is adequate.
> > > >
> > > > The only reason you'ld need to included umask=0 is because of the
> > > > system-wide default value for it, probably defined in /etc/profile or
> > > > /etc/bashrc.  This may also depend on whether you're allowing only root to
> > > > write or make changes to the dos partitions, or also allowing users.  I
> > > > don't give users access to my dos partitions, albeit it's a standalone
> > > > system and I'm the only user anyway.
> > > >
> > > > I read somewhere, recently, that umask should be set to 0 in the system-wide
> > > > login scripts, but that's the opinion of one author of documentation.  If,
> > > > however, you're going to set umask to 0 for the dos partition(s), then you
> > > > might want to simply set the system-wide value to this anyway, which means
> > > > you wouldn't need to include this in fstab.
> > > >
> > > > You'ld need to do some research through various documents which touch upon
> > > > this subject, before taking my word as gospel.
> > > >
> > > > mike
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Alan
> > > > >
> > > > > Cox Family wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > another stumper for me?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just wanted to make a new directory on the DOS partition that I could
> > > > > > put some WP8 files in (because the apostrophe comes out on the printer
> > > > > > as something stupid in Linux right now) and it said I didn't have
> > > > > > permission. I checked the "fstab" and hda1 includes "user" in
> > > > > > permissions. I checked properties by right-clicking on the icon and it
> > > > > > includes user, group and others for both read and write.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, so I made the directory as super-user, gave it "a+rwx" permissions,
> > > > > > and still couldn't save a file in it. Access denied. No permission to
> > > > > > write or what ever
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again, what am I missing here?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob
> 
> 

RE: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1

[Pittman, Merle]

YOU ARROGANT P---k!!

So a few math and physics courses (probably from mail order, or your nearest
community college) make you all that.  I have 2 advanced degrees in
engineering (electronics and computers) yet I think myself no better or
smarter than anyone on this list and neither should you.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Corbeil [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:39 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1
> 
> Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> 
> > Mikecorrect me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's
> > been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't
> > appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert
> > list?  Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted
> > below) was not appropriate for the newbie list.  The remedy here
> > was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply
> > served to confuse the issue.
> >
> 
> Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less than trivial for
> longer
> than I can recall.  When I first started learning about computers and
> programming, my ramble wouldn't have caused any problems, but then I also
> had a
> few years of math and physics behind me.  Nonetheless, if I think back to
> before
> that, then I wouldn't have been put off by a more thorough explanation.
> Heck, my
> father wanted me to help him remodel the house when I was a mere 8 years
> old;
> therefore, I've been held to above normal expectations for decades.
> 
> If you're confused, then don't think that this means that everyone else
> who's a
> newbie would also be confused.  As I recall in school, in every course, at
> every
> level, not everyone was equally comfortable with the material.
> 
> What I prefer to do when I find an answer or document too complicated, is
> to
> stick with the one I was more comfortable with, as long as it works.
> Otherwise,
> I just ask questions for clarification.
> 
> We're not communicating between people in grade 1 of elementary school,
> here;
> therefore, expect some people to provide more thorough answers.  When you
> don't
> like it, move on.  If newbies seeking help scream in panic, then this will
> definitely help to indicate that what you say is true, but as it is,
> you're
> pretending to be able to speak for them, instead of letting them speak for
> themselves.
> 
> As a relative newbie to Linux systems administration, but not to Unix and
> programming, I presented information I learned as a newbie to Linux
> systems
> administration, and based on this, the additional info wasn't out of
> context.
> 
> Besides, newbies also need to learn the system and some will catch on very
> quickly, while those who don't, can either ask for clarification, or stick
> with
> the simpler responses they've received.
> 
> How complicated do you want to make this?
> 
> Some people in the newbie list have already proven that they're not
> newbie; only
> to installing Linux and only in some respects, more in some and less in
> others.
> 
> By providing more thorough information in a newbie mailing list, as well
> as more
> elementary answers, this satisfies the entire group.  If you're not happy
> with an
> answer which is correct, then skip.  If you're not happy with an answer
> which is
> not 100% correct, but along the correct line(s), then correct the errors.
> 
> This mailing list is for learning, as far as I'm aware, because getting
> help
> inherently implies learning.  Part of accepting to learn is accepting to
> make
> errors or mistakes, and to learn from these.
> 
> Why treat people like babies, instead of giving them something to chew on?
> 
> People using this list to get help for their employment should subscribe
> to
> professional support mailing lists or resources; therefore, I don't
> perceive
> these mailing lists except for the much more general audience, including
> hobbiests.  My case is neither of these, but instead merely learning, to
> merely
> become more marketable, kind of like going to school, but without the
> tuition
> fees and the piece of paper at the end.  You'll find people using these
> mailing
> lists for various reasons, but you seem to only want to reduce or restrict
> to
> people who are 100% newbie to computing, which is not the reality.
> 
> If you wish to share more about your pedagogical philosophies or
> approaches, then
> feel free.  However, I wouldn't bother based on this thread, because what
> I presented is not really above the newbie level.  Again, I learned it
> during my
> newbie phase to Linux systems administration, but then I tend to spend a
> fair
> amount of time reading ahead and reading various documentation I come
> across and
> which might be even remotely related.  Just because others don't do this,
> doesn't
> mean that this approach isn't relevant to people at the newbie level.
> 
> Baby food is nourishing, but it's usually more nourshing when there's an
> adequate
> amount of

Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1

[Alan Shoemaker]

Mikenever mind, you just don't seem to get it.  I consider
this subject closed.

Alan


Mike Corbeil wrote:
> 
> Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> 
> > Mikecorrect me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's
> > been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't
> > appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert
> > list?  Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted
> > below) was not appropriate for the newbie list.  The remedy here
> > was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply
> > served to confuse the issue.
> >
> 
> Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less than trivial for longer
[snip]
[snip]
> argumentation or discourse.
> 
> mike
> 
> > Alan
> >
> > Mike Corbeil wrote:
> > >
> > > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bobyou also need to include  umask=0  on that line in
> > > > /etc/fstab.
> > >
> > > Must be a fairly new requirement, or there's a difference in the default
> > > umask value between RH 5.1 and Mandrake, because I don't need umask=0 to be
> > > able to write to my dos partitions.  I merely set it to noauto,rw and this
> > > is adequate.
> > >
> > > The only reason you'ld need to included umask=0 is because of the
> > > system-wide default value for it, probably defined in /etc/profile or
> > > /etc/bashrc.  This may also depend on whether you're allowing only root to
> > > write or make changes to the dos partitions, or also allowing users.  I
> > > don't give users access to my dos partitions, albeit it's a standalone
> > > system and I'm the only user anyway.
> > >
> > > I read somewhere, recently, that umask should be set to 0 in the system-wide
> > > login scripts, but that's the opinion of one author of documentation.  If,
> > > however, you're going to set umask to 0 for the dos partition(s), then you
> > > might want to simply set the system-wide value to this anyway, which means
> > > you wouldn't need to include this in fstab.
> > >
> > > You'ld need to do some research through various documents which touch upon
> > > this subject, before taking my word as gospel.
> > >
> > > mike
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Alan
> > > >
> > > > Cox Family wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > another stumper for me?
> > > > >
> > > > > I just wanted to make a new directory on the DOS partition that I could
> > > > > put some WP8 files in (because the apostrophe comes out on the printer
> > > > > as something stupid in Linux right now) and it said I didn't have
> > > > > permission. I checked the "fstab" and hda1 includes "user" in
> > > > > permissions. I checked properties by right-clicking on the icon and it
> > > > > includes user, group and others for both read and write.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, so I made the directory as super-user, gave it "a+rwx" permissions,
> > > > > and still couldn't save a file in it. Access denied. No permission to
> > > > > write or what ever
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, what am I missing here?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob

[newbie] RE:MS WORD

[Emanuele La Rosa]

Maybe you are right but it crashes too many times and it has some bugs.
I decided to write my thesis with Staroffice and sill I'm doing it, but now I'm
quite sure that I've made a big mistake
 
>Star Office can open and save Word documents without problems. Depending
>(maybe)  on the version of Word and Star Office. Note: Star Office is free (Not
>Open Source, but you don't have to pay for it) and in my opinion as good as MS
>Office.

Re: [newbie] permissions on DOS_hda1

[Mike Corbeil]

Alan Shoemaker wrote:

> Mikecorrect me if I'm wrong, but aren't you the guy who's
> been telling some folks in this list that their questions aren't
> appropriate for this forum and to go ask them in the expert
> list?  Well I think that your response in this thread (quoted
> below) was not appropriate for the newbie list.  The remedy here
> was very simple and your four rambling paragraphs have simply
> served to confuse the issue.
>

Not really, but then maybe I've been accustomed to less than trivial for longer
than I can recall.  When I first started learning about computers and
programming, my ramble wouldn't have caused any problems, but then I also had a
few years of math and physics behind me.  Nonetheless, if I think back to before
that, then I wouldn't have been put off by a more thorough explanation.  Heck, my
father wanted me to help him remodel the house when I was a mere 8 years old;
therefore, I've been held to above normal expectations for decades.

If you're confused, then don't think that this means that everyone else who's a
newbie would also be confused.  As I recall in school, in every course, at every
level, not everyone was equally comfortable with the material.

What I prefer to do when I find an answer or document too complicated, is to
stick with the one I was more comfortable with, as long as it works.  Otherwise,
I just ask questions for clarification.

We're not communicating between people in grade 1 of elementary school, here;
therefore, expect some people to provide more thorough answers.  When you don't
like it, move on.  If newbies seeking help scream in panic, then this will
definitely help to indicate that what you say is true, but as it is, you're
pretending to be able to speak for them, instead of letting them speak for
themselves.

As a relative newbie to Linux systems administration, but not to Unix and
programming, I presented information I learned as a newbie to Linux systems
administration, and based on this, the additional info wasn't out of context.

Besides, newbies also need to learn the system and some will catch on very
quickly, while those who don't, can either ask for clarification, or stick with
the simpler responses they've received.

How complicated do you want to make this?

Some people in the newbie list have already proven that they're not newbie; only
to installing Linux and only in some respects, more in some and less in others.

By providing more thorough information in a newbie mailing list, as well as more
elementary answers, this satisfies the entire group.  If you're not happy with an
answer which is correct, then skip.  If you're not happy with an answer which is
not 100% correct, but along the correct line(s), then correct the errors.

This mailing list is for learning, as far as I'm aware, because getting help
inherently implies learning.  Part of accepting to learn is accepting to make
errors or mistakes, and to learn from these.

Why treat people like babies, instead of giving them something to chew on?

People using this list to get help for their employment should subscribe to
professional support mailing lists or resources; therefore, I don't perceive
these mailing lists except for the much more general audience, including
hobbiests.  My case is neither of these, but instead merely learning, to merely
become more marketable, kind of like going to school, but without the tuition
fees and the piece of paper at the end.  You'll find people using these mailing
lists for various reasons, but you seem to only want to reduce or restrict to
people who are 100% newbie to computing, which is not the reality.

If you wish to share more about your pedagogical philosophies or approaches, then
feel free.  However, I wouldn't bother based on this thread, because what
I presented is not really above the newbie level.  Again, I learned it during my
newbie phase to Linux systems administration, but then I tend to spend a fair
amount of time reading ahead and reading various documentation I come across and
which might be even remotely related.  Just because others don't do this, doesn't
mean that this approach isn't relevant to people at the newbie level.

Baby food is nourishing, but it's usually more nourshing when there's an adequate
amount of vitamins and minerals.

I'm not knocking the response to set umask to 0 for the dos partitions, in the
fstab file, but also didn't present anything above newbie level.  Hence,
argumentation or discourse.

mike


> Alan
>
> Mike Corbeil wrote:
> >
> > Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> >
> > > Bobyou also need to include  umask=0  on that line in
> > > /etc/fstab.
> >
> > Must be a fairly new requirement, or there's a difference in the default
> > umask value between RH 5.1 and Mandrake, because I don't need umask=0 to be
> > able to write to my dos partitions.  I merely set it to noauto,rw and this
> > is adequate.
> >
> > The only reason you'ld need to included umask=0 is because of the
> > system-wide default v

[newbie] new install

[Bob Schmidt]

Hi All,

I hope you can help me out.  i just installed mandrake 7.0 on my Dell inspirion
3700.  Everything works fine, I really like this os.  Except I have one
problem, when ever I shut down the computer.  When it comes to unmounting the
drives, I get this error message:

end request:  I/O error dev 0:200 (floppy) sector 0

and then it just sits there, I have to shut the machine off, and of course when
I restart the machine it tells me that I didn't have a good shutdown and scans
the hd.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bob

Re: [newbie] booting / installing from 7-02 iso

[Alan Shoemaker]

Ronif you don't have it, you need to get it, here: 

http://www.toms.net/rb/

It enables you to boot up any x86 machine in linux, by simply
inserting the floppy and re-booting.  It has lots of utilities
for you to use in a ramdisk based filesystem, so it doesn't
interfere with anything on the system's hard drives, or even
need a hard drive to run.

Alan


"Yacketta,Ronald J" wrote:
> 
> whats  tomsrtbt ? never heard of that one
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alan Shoemaker
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] booting / installing from 7-02 iso
> 
> Ronif I were having that problem I'd boot up on tomsrtbt and
> run the linux fdisk program:
> 
> fdisk /dev/hda
> 
> and do a p command to see the partitions.
> 
> Alan
> 
> "Ronald J. Yacketta" wrote:
> >
> > Hello all!!
> > I have built numerous linux boxes from slackware to mandrake and have yet
> to
> > run into the following problem I am haveing with my recent go at burning
> the
> > LM 7-02 iso and installing from it.
> >
> > I have a win95 box i want to dual boot
> > I used fips and reduced my C drive down to 3g and freed up 3g to install
> LM
> > onto
> > I boot the cd and go through the initial phase (type of install (custome,
> > serve,devel etc..))
> > and then it dies saying something along  the lines that it can not find a
> > free partition
> >
> > I boot of a floppy, run fdisk and lone and behold I am only using 50% of
> my
> > drive allowing another os to use the other 50%
> >
> > what gives? why does LM 7-02 burnt iso not smart enough to see I have 3g
> > available to install in? what do I need todo to get LM to wake up and
> smell
> > the roses???
> >
> > Ron

RE:[newbie] MS Word

[Marc-André Bruns]

Star Office can open and save Word documents without problems. Depending (maybe) on 
the version of Word and Star Office. Note: Star Office is free (Not Open Source, but 
you don't have to pay for it) and in my opinion as good as MS Office.

Marc-André

On 19.04.00, newbie wrote:
>I am looking for software that can open Word >documents - I don't want to
>keep rebooting to read my bosses documents!!
>
>Thanks
>
>Martin
>
>
>
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Re: [newbie] Books

[Mike Corbeil]

Michael Holt wrote:

> On the contrary, I've used quite a few 'xxx for dummies' books, and they
> give you a great start on a topic in simple language (not everyone has a
> computer science degree).  I do agree that O'Reilly books are great to.
> Personally, I like to go down to the local Barnes & Noble (or
> equivalent) and sit down in the Unix / Linux section and start sifting
> through books.  What I've found is that seldom does one book cover
> everything that you need to know; 'Running Linux' from O'Reilly is a
> great book, but I also have Linux 6 unleashed from Sams, Linux in a
> nutshell (also from O'Reilly) and a few others.  My advice is to decide
> what you want to know about, then try to find the topic at the
> bookstore.  I usually need to gleen info from a few different books
> before I feel comfortable with the answer that I've come up with.

Not all are rich and books aren't cheap.  This is why I don't bother with
programming for dummies books, and I don't think that a cs degree makes a
huge difference.  After all, we didn't start with programming for dummies
books in the first courses in school.

However, if people are rich and can afford all the books they want, then
what the heck.  Not everyone has that luxury, though.

mike




>
>
> Mike Corbeil wrote:
>
> > Dreja Julag wrote:
> >
> >> Can anyone direct me to any good books covering all areas of Linux,
> >> including networking, maintenence, troubleshooting, history, using,
> >> etc?  This would be very helpful.  I already have read Linux for
> >> Dummies.  Howtos can end up being very dificult to read and there
> >> are very few.  Thanks :)
> >
> > Books titled "xxx for dummies" tell you exactly what these books are,
> > low quality.
> >
> > Try O'Reilly.  They have a web site and probably the most thorough
> > coverage of Linux, Unix, X, and everything related, of any publisher.
> >
> > There's usually a fair sampling of their books at good bookstores and
> > you can probably mail order over the web, or by phone, or just get the
> > bookstore which carries any of their books to order books they don't
> > have and you want.
> >
> > B&N usually gives around 30 days to check out the book and return if
> > you don't want it, I believe.
> >
> > mike
> >
>
> --
> 
> The Penguins are coming!!!
>
> 
> Michael Holt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] Supermount

[Alan Shoemaker]

Jimin a console, as root, type:

  supermount disable

Alan


Jim Adams wrote:
> 
> How do I safely remove supermount from fstab?

Re: [newbie] Major Problem----still

[Mike Corbeil]

J D wrote:

> yeah, you're right.  i'm gonna e-mail an expert list about this.  the only
> problem is that i'm so short on time (who would have thought becoming an
> engineer would require so much time??? ;) ).  man, i picked a bad time to
> install linux.  wait, there's never a bad time to get away from the
> frustrating blue screen of death every time you go to compile code you just
> wrote.  too bad i can't submit my programming homework in unix.  damn this
> university's use of windows!

Speak with your professor(s).  I don't see why they'ld prevent you from doing
your homework with Linux.

The school should be unbiased in this respect, unless your program is MCSE or
something specific to MS.  If it's a general university program, then the profs
would need to be dorks for refusing valid work done on Linux.

Linux is growing in use and popularity, and is based on and very similar to
Unix in many respects, with Unix being a platform used considerably in
industry; more important than MS anyway.  If you were in a MIS program,
specializing in office computing, then MS would be understandable, albeit Linux
will become competitive in this area, too.  For engineering, I'm surprised
they're not using a Unix variant, albeit many engineering firms began
converting much of their infrastructure to MS a couple or few years ago, but
only due to pricing, as far as I was told and know (now, MS Windows 2000 Server
is expensive, albeit Windows 2000 WS may be less expensive than Unix WSs, but
certainly not less expensive than Linux).

If you'ld really like to be able to do your work with Linux, then ask, before
jumping to absolute conclusions.  If the school's not going to give you a MCSE,
then the school shouldn't have any moral right to prevent you from using
Linux.  If the profs refuse and you have a few more years of schooling
involved, then you might consider contesting and appealing to the next higher
level of the court.

Maybe your profs don't know Unix or Linux, and they might use this as a basis
to refuse work done on Linux, but that's only a lazy approach, instead of a
moral one.  They should encourage students to use Linux, because schooling is
already expensive enough without needing to purchase expensive OSs, like
Windows 2000.

mike


>
>
> >From: Mike Corbeil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [newbie] Major Problemstill
> >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:55:38 -0400
> >
> >BILL wrote:
> >
> > > J D wrote:
> > >
> > > > okay, i've tried several things to fix my major problem.  nothing has
> > > > worked.  so how do i format my linux partition?  last night i got
> >bored and
> > > > tried rm -rf / as i read to never do this unless i wanted to
> > > > reinstall linux.  but it didn't work.  help!
> >
> >I would not suggest doing that, ever.  There are better, more appropriate,
> >ways
> >of reinstalling linux or any OS.  If you do rm -rf /, then this means to
> >remove
> >the root directory and I've never done this, but know that rm -rf /* will
> >remove
> >everything under the root directory.  rm -rf / probably does the same
> >thing, but
> >based on other contexts, this would also remove /.  In either case, this
> >would
> >mean not being able to shutdown or reboot the system using any command,
> >because
> >everything would be gone.
> >
> >You've got to explain your problem, because as you should obviously see,
> >there's
> >no description left of your problem, if you ever described it.
> >
> >You want help.  Help others to help you.  Explain what your problem is,
> >with more
> >detail.
> >
> >
> > > > __
> > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> > >
> > > Okay, I don't truley know if this will help your MAJOR problem,but as a
> >newbie
> > > I have had times where I too did somthing somewheres that sent my
> >partitions
> > > kablooey.Tried lots of stuff that did n't work and wound up
> >'reinstalling" but
> > > installing another distro ;like Caldera,and letting it clean up the
> >partitions
> > > when it installed,then I went back and reinstalled mandrake after the
> >fact
> > > when I saw that the Caldera was successful. I've done this a few times
> >and it
> > > has worked for me
> > > ,but then I/m a newbie,and only came up with this on instinct,couldn't
> >tell
> > > you if it did anything to my machine or not .Don't think it has since I
> >now
> > > have a nice Mandrake 70 install thats  working to ,my satisfaction
> > > .Good luck if you decide to try this.
> >Bill
> >
> >Not instinct; just desperation.
> >
> >This approach should not be required.  You're better off asking in the
> >expert
> >mailing list, to learn how to properly handle your problems with Mandrake,
> >even
> >at the install level, before bothering with installing another distribution
> >to
> >try to recover.
> >
> >There are ways to recover or to do successful installs.
> >
> >mike
> >
> >
> >

Re: [newbie] Programming

[Nt4clients]

take me of the lsit

Re: [newbie] Programming

[Mike Corbeil]

I don't think that's off-topic, because it's related to working in or with
Linux, very related.  Most newbies will want to develop programming
skills; therefore, your question is good.

You'll get a variety of answers, depending on what people do; however,
bash and Perl would be good to start with.  bash is necessary if you
want to modify system scripts, including the base ones like .bashrc, .bash_profile,
/etc/profile, and /etc/bashrc.  bash is also handy if you want to
write scripts to do or automate some systems administration tasks, like
renaming all of the directories and files in a particular directory, or
copying them to some other directory and then tarballing the set, etcetera. 
There are frequent uses for bash.

Perl is good, because it can be better than bash for some systems administration
tasks.  Plus, Perl has much functionality; it's definitely at least
considerably powerful, and being a scripting language, you don't need to
deal with compiling, which makes or can make it useful for rad (rapid application
development).  Scripting is very nice for many reasons, and Perl is
a mighty scripting language.

Much of what can be done with C and C++ can be done with Perl, and scripting
being a good approach, and  Perl being a mighty capable scripting
language, well, just makes Perl all the more worthwhile.

There are many other programming languages and tools you can learn to
work with Linux, such as

- tcl/tk (now integrated with Perl),
- expect (believe Linux has expect, or it can be downloaded),
- python (haven't done any work with python, but it seems to be used
a fair amount - you'll find a fair number of python scripts, which has
also been integrated with Perl),
- C and C++,
- sql (for rdbms - relational database - programming),
- java,
- many others.

I'ld suggest starting with bash and Perl.  Perl, again, is broad. 
You can do rdbms programming with it; network programming, including ftp,
sending mail, tcp/ip, web page and cgi programming (internet and intranet),
and possibly other types; sockets programming; gui - tying in with tcl/tk
for example; automating systems administration tasks; stochastics programming;
oo programming; powerful and very practical regular expression parsing;
etcetera.

After that, you could look at the other languages, depending on what
it is you want to do.  If you want to focus on web page programming,
using html, cgi, etcetera or what ever, then you could in the least consider
Perl and Java.  If you want to do rdbms work, then there's PostgreSQL,
Oracle, and others, with the language being SQL.  This is often useful
when doing web development, because many web interfaces interfaces with
an rdbms.  For flat file databases, I'ld suggest using Perl, but Perl
can also be used to interface with SQL databases (some of them anyway).

At that level, though, you'ld want to learn some of the servers, Apache
being a core one as far as internet/intranet development would be concerned. 
Perl has a module for interfacing with the Apache server, now, too.

You can find specific mailing lists for these.  I don't know that
there are any for Unix scripting, like with bash, but there are for the
others; Perl, Java, C, and C++ anyway.  There are newsgroups for various
servers; therefore, if you're interested in learning about these, then
look for specifically related newsgroups and subscribe.

One general Unix/Linux Perl resource web site is

    http://wwwhost.cc.utexas.edu/cc/services/unix/perl/

There's a fair amount of documentation installed on your Linux system,
once Perl is installed.

If you're just starting out programming, then bash and Perl should be
two good places to begin.

If you get to the point where you want to modify kernels, then you'll
need to learn C and possibly C++.  If you want to learn C++, then
you might want to consider learning Objective C, first.  From recent
reading, Obj-C supports oo, but more simply than C++.  You could probably
learn about Obj-C through the gnu web site

http://www.gnu.org

I'm not sure, but Obj-C may be what you should begin with, out of a
choice of C, C++ and Obj-C; although, you'ld definitely be learninig C
along the way, because Obj-C is (if memory's accurate) more similar to
C, than C++.  If you learned Obj-C, then you'ld be able to do both
structured programming with C, as well as oop (object-oriented programming).

However, for many other things, Perl would be adequate, and if working
in Linux or Unix, then Perl should be on your agenda.  Perl, SQL and
Java would probably be more generally useful, if you don't want to get
into low level systems programming.  Some applications are developed
in C and or C++, though, like the underlying aspects of GNOME and KDE.

Hence, which way to go depends on what you imagine you want to do. 
You could read up on the documentation for Perl, python, tcl/tk, Java,
and the others, to get a better idea.  I don't know where you could
find documentation for SQL, other than books of course

RE: [newbie] booting / installing from 7-02 iso

[Yacketta,Ronald J]

-Original Message-
From: Yacketta,Ronald J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 6:24 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [newbie] booting / installing from 7-02 iso


whats  tomsrtbt ? never heard of that one

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alan Shoemaker
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] booting / installing from 7-02 iso


Ronif I were having that problem I'd boot up on tomsrtbt and
run the linux fdisk program:

fdisk /dev/hda

and do a p command to see the partitions.

Alan


"Ronald J. Yacketta" wrote:
> 
> Hello all!!
> I have built numerous linux boxes from slackware to mandrake and have yet
to
> run into the following problem I am haveing with my recent go at burning
the
> LM 7-02 iso and installing from it.
> 
> I have a win95 box i want to dual boot
> I used fips and reduced my C drive down to 3g and freed up 3g to install
LM
> onto
> I boot the cd and go through the initial phase (type of install (custome,
> serve,devel etc..))
> and then it dies saying something along  the lines that it can not find a
> free partition
> 
> I boot of a floppy, run fdisk and lone and behold I am only using 50% of
my
> drive allowing another os to use the other 50%
> 
> what gives? why does LM 7-02 burnt iso not smart enough to see I have 3g
> available to install in? what do I need todo to get LM to wake up and
smell
> the roses???
> 
> Ron

RE: [newbie] MS Word

[Pittman, Merle]

I know Corel WordPerfect 8 (and now 2000) can.  I am pretty sure that Star
Office can do it do, but I don't know how well because I have never tried
it.

> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Solms [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1:16 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [newbie] MS Word
> 
> I am looking for software that can open Word documents - I don't want to
> keep rebooting to read my bosses documents!!
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Martin

[newbie] MS Word

[Martin Solms]

I am looking for software that can open Word documents - I don't want to
keep rebooting to read my bosses documents!!

Thanks

Martin

Re: [newbie] path

[Mike Corbeil]

Tommy Kelly wrote:

> > I know this is probably a dumb question, but how do you add a directory to the
> > path  For instance, instead of going to /root/mozilla/ to run ./mozzila,
> > I would like to be able to type ./mozilla in any directory.
>
> To add the directory to your path, add the following to your
> .bashrc file, in your home directory:
>
> PATH="/root/mozilla:$PATH" ; export PATH
>
> Then, at your shell prompt type:
>
> . ~/.bashrc

That's not always a good idea, depending on what's in ~/.bashrc.  If there are only
aliases and other benign defintions, then this isn't a problem; however, some
people use this startup script for things which could potentially cause problems if
resourced, sometimes.  One way around that is to use conditional programming, but
this should be rarely needed for this file.

However, why would a program like mozilla be installed under root's home directory,
instead of one of the system bin directories?  I'm not familiar with mozilla,
except for what I believe is some relationship with netscape; therefore, I'm asking
for myself, but also to help this knowledge or the answer to be understood by other
people new to mozilla.

Is mozilla a separate rpm, or does it come with the netscape RPM(s), or what?
Usually, RPMs aren't installed under any  user's home directory; although,
configuration files and directories often go there, like for the ~/.netscape,
~/.kde, ~/.seyon and other directories.  These are only for individual
configuration, though.

I'm not prepared to deal with mozilla yet and still use netscape 4.05, until
finishing the upgrade of my system, or somewhere along this path, but because of
the odd nature of installing such executables under home directories, this question
may be worthwhile for many newbies.  Of course, I'ld also be learning in advance
(have definitely fair memory).

mike


>
>
> (You only have to do this second step once, and even then only
> in the xterm or session in which you change the .bashrc file.
> Any new xterms or logins will do it automatically.)
>
> You can then run:
>
> mozilla
>
> from anywhere.
>
> Note that I have removed the inital "./" from the command.
> If you do type:
>
> ./mozilla
>
> then your $PATH variable is ignored and you will attempt
> to run the "mozilla" command from directory "./", that is
> your current directory.  And if no executable of that name
> can be found in that directory you'll get something like:
>
> ./mozilla: Command not found.
>
> t

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[newbie] A couple of newbie Questions.

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Hi All,
I hope someone can help me with the following.
I have done a server install taking all the defaults. OS 6.5.

1. I cannont discover how to start KDE.
2. I cannot seem to Telnet to hte linux box using a.b.c.d or a.b.c.d:23

Thanks in advance.

RE: [newbie] i cant start up a home network

[Phil Lamey]

Title: RE: [newbie] i cant start up a home network





Duncan,


1.  What kind of Ethernet cards are you using?
2.  Can you ping the machines?


Cheers,


Phil Lamey


-Original Message-
From: duncan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] i cant start up a home network



I have a desktop and a laptop which i want to network under linux.
They both connect ok under windows and the network cards are both
recognised and functional according to lothar.


The problem i have is where next,using linux conf i have assigned names
and numbers such as


 desktop 192.168.0.1


 laptop 192.168.0.2



I am not getting the machines doing anything beyond this.


Have also installed vmware onto desktop machine and tried to host only
network it to linux using samba this too has been unsuccessful but maybe
i should crawl before walking.


It sounds easy if I could get into the part of linuxconf networking for
idiots that is described in the  help section on networking but it
doesnt sem to be there.


I am running mandrake 7.0


Thankyou duncan