[newbie] remote X-login

2000-04-22 Thread Claus Atzenbeck

Now I have a second computer running Mandrake. The second one does not
have much memory and is not too fast, so I want to use this one just
as a "dumb" terminal.

It should be similar to the X login on Solaris: You can enter a remote
host at login screen.

How can I do this with Mandrake?

I got the following message from a Linux guru, but I don't understand
what he is talking about. :-(

-- Forwarded message --
Sounds like the guy wants to have an xdm/kdm style login (like on
jocasta/chopin/etc). I expect it's probably set up by default. What
he'll have to do is use something like eXceed with XDMCP query on his
particular host. If he's on a LAN he can use XDMCP broadcast to get a
list of boxes willing to manage his display. From the login prompt he
should be able to select which window manager to use.





Re: [newbie] Internal ATAPI Zip drive

2000-04-22 Thread Martin Foster

Hi!

OK, I've done all that but I still can't access the drive. "Mount" tells me
that "vfat" is the wrong file system. Any further ideas please?

Regards,
Martin

On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, you wrote:

> Martin;
> 
> To mount your internal zip drive; 1st - open a terminal window; 2nd - change to
> directory "/mnt"; 3rd - make a directory for it (I used "zip"); 4th - now mount
> it.
> i.e.
> 
> cd /
> cd /mnt
> md zip
> cd /
> mount t- vfat /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip
> 
> The "sda4"  in "/dev" maybe different on your machine.  Check the
> "/var/log/dmesg" file to see what your system thinks it is.  Also note that you
> cannot eject your zip disk until you umount the zip drive.
> 
> Hope this helps;
> Bruce :-)
> 
> Martin Foster wrote:
> 
> > Hi!
> >
> > Just having spent a couple of days installing and configuring Mandrake, I find
> > that I can access all my drives *except* my internal ATAPI Zip drive. Can
> > someone please tell me if it's possible to access it and if so, how?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Martin




[newbie] Mandrake 7.02-i486

2000-04-22 Thread Dallas Haggar

Hi,
I have installed V7.02 i486 on my old DX2/66 PC. When I try to login as root I get 
'incorrect login'. If I login with the user I created during the install and 'su -' I 
can enter the root password and become root. Anyone seen this before?
Dallas

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Re: [newbie] floppies

2000-04-22 Thread Mark Potochnik

KompuKit wrote:

> hey, you know what?  I just realised...that it's possible
> that , in order to copy files over to a floppy...in linux...
> I first must RE-FORMAT the disks for the linux OS...
>
> Is this true?  If so, How do I accomplish this?

In the true Linux-Everywhere-on Everything.  Linux will
read/write to just about every disk system out there.
DOS/Linux/Mac.

Many people who have a dual boot system will write both
OSes to a common data area/partition

MarkP




Re: [newbie] OT - Partition magic

2000-04-22 Thread Wayne Petherick

Nice try Andy, though wrong.  For those of you who are dying to know I lost
some documentation in a recent move and wanted to know a few things about
re-installing the software.

Wayne
- Original Message -
From: andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] OT - Partition magic


>
> Wayne Petherick wrote:
>   This is OT so I will take it OLcould anyone here who has partition
> magic v5 contact me off list please. Thanks,Wayne
> Why is that OT?  The subject is pertinent to this mailing list, because
this
> list is about supporting people with installation and configuration of
> Linux, which is an OS which comes with a boot manager to handle booting
into
> multiple and or different OSs.
> Others here could probably benefit from the question and answer(s);
> therefore, I'ld like to suggest posting such questions and answers here,
> instead of keeping such information private or "proprietary".
>
>
>
> Unless of course, the thing he wanted to ask was along the lines of..
'Hey,
> I'd like to use this product but I can't afford it..any chance you could
FTP
> it over to me!!!'
>
> Which, of course, we all know no one would EVER do!!!
>
> Just a thought
>
> Andy
>




Re: [newbie] 64Mb instead of 128Mb??

2000-04-22 Thread Mark Potochnik

I noticed in my version of lilo.conf  it has a lilo=""   or somthing like
that...
If I ever need to add the mem statement do I leaver the other one in???

MarkP


Mike Corbeil wrote:

> Claus Atzenbeck wrote:
>
> > append="mem=128M"
> > -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"




Re: [newbie] Internal ATAPI Zip drive

2000-04-22 Thread Martin Foster

On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> 
> It takes a couple of days?  

Yes but naturally, I didn't spend the whole of each day doing it :-)

> How did you get the other drives to show?

During the installation, I "told" it to start KDE automatically and when  KDE
starts, all my DOS logical drives are iconised on the desktop. Neat, eh?

> I'm tying to get at the IBM Lotus. > 

Sorry, can't help there.

> Sparks

Regards,
Martin

>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Martin Foster 
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 9:33 AM
>   Subject: [newbie] Internal ATAPI Zip drive
> 
> 
>   Hi!
> 
>   Just having spent a couple of days installing and configuring Mandrake, I find
>   that I can access all my drives *except* my internal ATAPI Zip drive. Can
>   someone please tell me if it's possible to access it and if so, how?
> 
>   Regards,
>   Martin
> 
> 


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Re: [newbie] OT - Partition magic

2000-04-22 Thread andy


Wayne Petherick wrote:
  This is OT so I will take it OLcould anyone here who has partition
magic v5 contact me off list please. Thanks,Wayne
Why is that OT?  The subject is pertinent to this mailing list, because this
list is about supporting people with installation and configuration of
Linux, which is an OS which comes with a boot manager to handle booting into
multiple and or different OSs.
Others here could probably benefit from the question and answer(s);
therefore, I'ld like to suggest posting such questions and answers here,
instead of keeping such information private or "proprietary".



Unless of course, the thing he wanted to ask was along the lines of.. 'Hey,
I'd like to use this product but I can't afford it..any chance you could FTP
it over to me!!!'

Which, of course, we all know no one would EVER do!!!

Just a thought

Andy




Re: [newbie] Internal ATAPI Zip drive

2000-04-22 Thread root

Martin;

To mount your internal zip drive; 1st - open a terminal window; 2nd - change to
directory "/mnt"; 3rd - make a directory for it (I used "zip"); 4th - now mount
it.
i.e.

cd /
cd /mnt
md zip
cd /
mount t- vfat /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip

The "sda4"  in "/dev" maybe different on your machine.  Check the
"/var/log/dmesg" file to see what your system thinks it is.  Also note that you
cannot eject your zip disk until you umount the zip drive.

Hope this helps;
Bruce :-)

Martin Foster wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Just having spent a couple of days installing and configuring Mandrake, I find
> that I can access all my drives *except* my internal ATAPI Zip drive. Can
> someone please tell me if it's possible to access it and if so, how?
>
> Regards,
> Martin




Re: [newbie] floppies

2000-04-22 Thread Civileme

KompuKit wrote:
> 
> hey, you know what?  I just realised...that it's possible
> that , in order to copy files over to a floppy...in linux...
> I first must RE-FORMAT the disks for the linux OS...
> 
> Is this true?  If so, How do I accomplish this?
> 
> I haven't needed to copy files to a floppy yet...but
> I feel the need to save some important files now...
> and therefore must know how.
> --
> <===KompuKit===>
> Kit Goins  ICQ# 7110071
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]Lowell, Mass.
> Web Designer  http://kitdesigns.bizhosting.com
> WebServer:http://kompukit.dyndns.org
> (Server Runs between M-F 6pm-12am,S+S 12pm-12am EST)
> <===KompuKit===>


No, it is not true.  The entry for the floppy in /etc/fstab will
show the third parameter (filesystem) as auto, which means it can
be any filesystem linux knows.  Normally this will be a bout six
or seven different ones, including msdos fat and vfat types.  On
one of the powerpack disks (contributed programs) is a set of
utilities for MAC filesystem disks and diskettes.  You can also
find that file (macutils) at any of the many Mandrake mirrors on
the internet.

If you have supermount set up the CHEAP way to copy floppies is
as follows.

On your desktop is an icon that looks like a floppy--if it has a
little faded square next to it, it is supermounted.

If it is not supermounted, the icon will be clean--put in a
floppy and click the icon once.  A window woll open and you will
see files/folders on the floppy or just a blank window if there
are no files there.  Drag what you want to the window, then close
it after copying is complete. Right Click the icon and select
unmount, then remove it.

If it is supermounted, you can do the same thing but don't have
to click again to unmount.

I support a lot of msbrainwashed users, so I deleted the
supermount floppy icon and did this

ln -s /mnt/floppy /home/msbrainwasheduser/Desktop/floppy 

on a command line  (Alt-f2 to bring up the line)

then I right-clicked the folder with the shortcut arrow named
"floppy" and selected the floppy icon for it from the properties
dialog box.  

Now every former microsoft user just drags files to his floppy
icon.   ;-}

Civileme




Re: [newbie] Qt

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil


Because qt is installed from an rpm, you can find the files for qt with
rpm

 rpm -qil qt

If you need more information on qt, then read the man page on rpm, for
query options, and you might find useful information in the qt documentation
directories under or in
the /usr/doc directory.

mike
 

Ben Donahue wrote:
 
Im running Mandrake
7.0, with Blackbox/KDE as my window manager. I want to install Blackbox
Tools. To do this i have to edit the Makefile and tell it where to find
Qt, the only problem is i dont know where the hell Qt is. I
know it's on there because i chose everything on install.Please
could someone tell me where it is or how to find it. Thanx
in advance :-) Ben Donahue[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 




Re: [newbie] kernel, "/", partition sizes-locations

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil

Gerald E Peck wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:42:37 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >[stuff deleted]
> >
> > My own deductions for the above
> > 1- "/" is a Primary Partition and (I was making mine 4GB at first)
> > must
> > reside below the 1024th cylinder boundary, this means it must both
> > begin
> > and end before the 1024th cylinder. However if you are running a
> > dual boot
> > system you will also have to have win/dos within the same 1024th
> > cylinder
> > boundary.
>
> "/" does not need to be a primary partition.  It  can be an extended
> partition.  It doesn't need to reside below the 1024th cylinder boundary
> on a dual boot system.  "/boot" does, however.

That's one good reason for placing /boot on a separate filesystem partition
of its own.

Does /boot need to be below the 1024th cyl boundary if the boot manager or
lilo is located in the mbr?  I've read about this a couple of times, but
because I don't do installs often, and haven't run into any problems due to
/boot not being below cyl 1024, the memory is vague.


> > 2- "/boot" I will assume should be a Logical Partition (as you are
> > restricted to only 4 Primary Partitions on a hard drive and you want
> > to
> > conserve them for when they are needed the most), although the
> > 10-20MB size
> > recommendation also does not work with item 4's size of 5MB.
>
> "/boot" needs to be a primary partition.  It should be the first
> partition and it should lie below the 1024 boundary.

I thought my /boot partitions were not primary, but did the configuration
using the install program and didn't need to specify the type of partition
in this sense.  I'm not sure how to check the type, because fdisk doesn't
show this information, unless some option needs to be used with fdisk.

mike






Re: [newbie] X

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil

Erik B. Flitman wrote:

> My system was powered down improperlyto make a long story short, I get
> the following error when attempting to run anything that requires X:
>
> /usr/X11R6/bin/X: error in loading shared libraries: libfont.so.1: cannot
> open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> However, the file appears to be there and is in the path.
>
> Any ideas?

Ask in the expert mailing list, because this isn't a newbie kind of question.

You might want to verify with the ldconfig command.  Read the man page

man ldconfig

thoroughly and then experiment.  If this tool doesn't repair your problem,
then the tool also should not cause any problems or be dangerous to use.  Be
careful, but the man page should be adequate for you to follow.

mike


>
>
> Erik B. Flitman
> ebf technolgies, inc.
> 305-751-8822 office
> 305-757-3736 fax
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]







Re: [newbie] GUI is gone and so is my sanity

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil

Might be able to use Xconfigurator to tell Linux to boot into gui mode.  Check
out this tool; although, there may also be a drak tool for this, and you could
search your system to find the drak tool.

mike


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> You mean you started playing w/ Linux BEFORE you went insane.  That explains a
> lot.  ;)
>
> Seriously tho - quick and dirty way to get to a gui:
>
> Log in at the Penguin prompt.
>
> You'll get another prompt
>
> type 'startx' w/o the quotes of course.
>
> You have probably changed your default run level somewhere.
>
> I don't remember the EXACT location/name of the file right now, but I'm sure
> someone will reply w/ it.
>
> Ty C. Mixon
> F.T.C. Enterprises
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ 26147713







Re: [newbie] How-to have Multiple distros on one hard drive

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil

May have already been answered, but in case it hasn't I'll provide an answer.

You need a separate /boot for each Linux configuration you have installed.
Whether or not you give /boot it's own filesystem or make it part of the /
filesystem partition is up to you (I have separate filesystems for /boot, /,
/usr, /usr/local, /usr/src, /home, /var and /tmp, but all of these can also be
placed on the same filesystem partition using a single partition for your the
entire Linux configuration).

Making /boot a separate filesystem makes it easier to keep this below the 1024
cyl boundary; however, this isn't necessary, if you install lilo or the boot
manager in the mbr, which is what I'ld recommend doing for a system like
your's, with one huge hdd, or even if you have multiple HDDs.

By placing lilo or the boot manager in the mbr, the 1024 cyl. boundary problem
is circumvented, because the mbr is at the beginning of hda.

Also create boot floppies for each of your configurations, and read through the
HOWTO on large disks.  You could probably find this through the LDP web site,
but I thought this was  www.linuxdoc.org and this isn't producing anything, or
not much anyway.  There's another web site for the LDP documentation, and this
web site contains links to all of the HOWTOs, FAQs, and other documentation.
I'm not sure how to get to that web site, but you can probably find a link to
it through the Mandrake web site, or RedHat's, looking through the
documentation pages of these sites.

mike



philomena wrote:


> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just got a machine with a 40 GB drive. For various reasons I would like
> to
> > try and setup Windows (I know, I know - I need it for work..), Mandrake
> and
> > another linux distro - possibly suse, or have a second  mandrake install
> for
> > playing around with new stuff, yet maintain a stable install. I have
> plenty
> > enough disk for this, and have setup a dual-boot windows/mandrake system
> > before. But, I'm not sure about approaching this - the threads I read
> today
> > about what you can and can't have below the 1024 cylinder got me thinking.
> > For this, would I need 2 \boot partitons ? Is that possible ? Or just the
> > one for lilo and then just partition the heck out of the machine ?
> >
> > help !
> >
> > thx,
> > phil
> >







Re: [newbie] in second stage install problem

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil

J D wrote:

> well, i can tell you that it is a problem with X.  i had the same problem,
> but it was caused by another problem (mainly my hdd becoming read only).
> but i don't know how to fix it.  sorry man.

May have already been answered, but in case it hasn't, then try with the text
install method.  There's documentation on the Mandrake install cdrom for how
to do a text install.

mike


>
>
> >From: Francois Massin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [newbie] in second stage install problem
> >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:08:15 -0400
> >
> >Hello there,
> >
> >I try to install Madrake 7.0 on my P100 32Mb Ram.
> >Seems to start ok  but then I have this message:
> >
> >
> >in second stage install
> >_X11ransSocketUnixConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
> >_X11ransSocketUnixConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
> >
> >Sun Apr 16 15:04:05 2000 Gtk - WARNING: Cannot open display :0 at
> >/usr/bin/per
> >l-install/my_gtk.pm line 139
> >install exited abnormally
> >Sending termination signals ... done
> >Sending kill signals ... done
> >unmounting filesystems ...
> >   /tmp/rhimg
> >   /proc
> >You may safely reboot your system.
> >
> >
> >So what' s wrong ? Is this a video card problem ? (Ati xpert 8Mb PCI) or
> >a monitor problem (AOC 4N) ?
> >
> >Have a good day
> >
> >Francois
> >
>
> 
> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com







Re: [newbie] can't read partitionn table, too corrupt???

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil

Martin Dowman wrote:

>   Product:  Complete Linux Mandrake 7.0. After running the included
> partition magic and setting up the Linux
> partition @ 860MB I am recieving a message during Linux install:
>
> Mandrake provides PM, from PQ?  Try the real PM from PQ?
>
> mike
>
>
>
>
>
> "I can't read your partition table, it's too coorupted for me :(
> I'll try to go on blanking bad partitionsextended partition: no normal
> partion in exteded partition"then a button "OK".
> I click "OK" and the next screen said, "Please click on a partition"
> and shows hba as blank and labled as "Type: Empty  Size 19571 MB
> (99%)
>
> I bailed on the install at this point because of all the existing data
>
> on the multiple drives.
>
> HELP, WHAT DO I DO?
>
>
> ###  INFORMATION FROM SYSTEM INFORMATION   ###
> Microsoft Windows 98 4.10. A
> AMD-K6-3/400   128MB RAM DRAM - 100mhz
>
> Available space on drive C: 102MB of 1043MB (FAT)
> Available space on drive D: 365MB of 2039MB (FAT)
> Available space on drive E: 515MB of 2039MB (FAT)
> Available space on drive F: 745MB of 2039MB (FAT)
> Available space on drive G: 561MB of 2039MB (FAT)
> Available space on drive H: 1091MB of 2039MB (FAT)
> Available space on drive I: 1915MB of 2039MB (FAT)
> Available space on drive J: 1280MB of 2039MB (FAT)
> Available space on drive K: 1070MB of 1215MB (FAT)
>
> Standard Floppy Disk Controller
> ETEQ Bus Master PCI IDE Controller (Ultra DMA)
> TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1212   CDROM
> HP CD-Writer+ 8100 CDROM
> IBM-DPTA -372050 HDD
> GENERIC NEC  FLOPPY DISK







Re: [newbie] OT - Partition magic

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil


Wayne Petherick wrote:
 
This
is OT so I will take it OLcould anyone here who has partition magic
v5 contact me off list please. Thanks,Wayne
Why is that OT?  The subject is pertinent to this mailing list, because
this list is about supporting people with installation and configuration
of Linux, which is an OS which comes with a boot manager to handle booting
into multiple and or different OSs.

Others here could probably benefit from the question and answer(s);
therefore, I'ld like to suggest posting such questions and answers here,
instead of keeping such information private or "proprietary".

mike
 




Re: [newbie] 64Mb instead of 128Mb??

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil

Claus Atzenbeck wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Nickolay Belostotsky wrote:
>
> > Hello! It's my first ever installation of Linux, so please be nice :-)
>
> Fine!
>
> > So. I installed it into my D: DOS partition using Linux4Win (not the
> > best variant, I know... Just didn't want to lose my 8Gb of information
> > :-). And in Linux, when I get info about memory, the system tells me I
> > have 64 Mb, which is wrong - I have 128 Mb. Is there any way to amend
> > it? Thanks in advance!
>
> You need to edit your /etc/lilo.conf and add the following line in
> your image specifications:
>
> append="mem=128M"

I'ld suggest doing this with a configuration tool, such as linuxconf.  I
tried making this change to lilo.conf using an editor (vim), and then
running lilo, but the change didn't take effect.  Making the change using
linuxconf always worked.

There are other tools, like a drak tool, for changing the lilo
configuration, I believe, but the only one I'm familiar with is linuxconf.


> Or, if you prefer to tell Linux your memory in kb, use "K" instead of
> "M".

Of course also increase the size number.

mike


>
>
> Regards,
> Claus.
>
> --
> Atzenbeck. Data structures & design
> http://www.atzenbeck.de
>
> critic, n.:
> A person who boasts himself hard to please because nobody tries
> to please him.
> -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"







Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome removal

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil

Emmette Hutchison wrote:

> how to I remove or stop using a desktop environment like gnome or kde?
> At this point I just want enlightenment running.
> (I'm assuming that I have to edit an x settings file somewhere, but I'm
> not quite sure where.)
>
> Emmette

To be able to stop using or to uninstall?

Assuming you don't want to uninstall, but just to stop using, the
following are my directions.

Read the documentation for both gnome and kde is the approach.

Go into the kde desktop and search through the Help documentation for how
to stop using kde.  I believe the command is something like "kde off" or
kde -off" or something like this, but haven't used it yet and therefore
don't remember the documentation accurately.

To your gnome is probably used on top of Enlightenment.  If this is the
case, then when in this environment, look through the desktop menus for a
source of documentation, or a switch or option to close the gnome portion.

If this doesn't help, then search the gnome and kde documentation
directories under or in the /usr/doc directory.

If you want to uninstall gnome and or kde, then you should read the
documentation on these, first.  To uninstall kde safely, you may need to
turn it off, first.  You may not need to do anything like that to
uninstall gnome, though.

However, if disk space isn't an issue, then I'ld suggest leaving gnome and
kde installed, at least long enough to explore Enlightenment.

mike






Re: [newbie] installing failed :-(

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil

Claus Atzenbeck wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, J D wrote:
>
> > did you partition your hdd?  or do you have an empty hdd?  are you running
> > any other os's?  if you can, provide a little more info, and we'll see what
> > we can think of.
>
> Thanks for you mail, also to Eric!
>
> Yes, there were no partitions available. I had good luck to have also
> SuSE here in order to format my hard drive.
>
> How would I be able to format my hard drive without any tool except
> Mandrake CD-ROM? The graphical installer provides partitioning hard
> drives befor installing, not so the text installer... :-(

If you have SuSE installed, then boot into this OS and create the filesystems or
partitions for your Mandrake configuration using the fdisk available with SuSE.
Don't format the filesystems (the Mandrake install program should at least be
able to do this); only create the partitions you want.  If you want Mandrake on
a single, large filesystem, then you'll only need to create one partition with
fdisk.

In fdisk, choose the m option, to see the available commands.  Adding or
creating a new partition is probably unchanged and n.

Are you sure the Mandrake text install doesn't provide partition
creation?  Check again.

Also, why isn't the gui install not working?  Where does it fail?

mike


>
>
> Regards,
> Claus.
>
> --
> Atzenbeck. Data structures & design
> http://www.atzenbeck.de
>
> 'Martyrdom' is the only way a person can become famous without ability.
> -- George Bernard Shaw







Re: [newbie] display blinking

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil


If you don't find X*Setup on your system, then check for Xconfigurator
and or a drak configuration tool.  SuperProbe will also tell you about
your video card.

Before running SuperProbe, though, read the man page for this tool. 
Supposedly, running SuperProbe (with uppercase S and P) can cause problems
(works without a problem with my #9 video card).

You might not need to use SuperProbe, though, if the configuration tool
you use successfuly probes for the information needed.  If the configuration
tool can't successfully probe for the video card information, then try
all of the configuration tools which can be used for this kind of configuration,
such as Xconfigurator and the drak tool, if there is a drak tool for this,
and only if all of these fail, then look into SuperProbe.

If you need to use SuperProbe, then read the man page, run SuperProbe,
write down the information, and then run the configuration tool again,
this time typing in the information, instead of letting the tool probe
for the information.

mike
 

Bruce K Hilliker wrote:
 
I
had this problem when I tried installing Corel Linux, I found this in their
FAQ.  And it worked for me.  I'm not sure if it's the same problem
- but; on my machine, the only time the keyboard was active (you could
type) was when the screen was visible (get you timing right).At
the prompt (when it appears) type "killall kdm" (without the quotes). 
Once you've accomplished this (it took me a little while).  Go to
directory "/usr/X11R6/bin", and run "XF86Setup" (without the quotes). 
The directory and application names are case sensitive.  Now these
is the directory and application in Corel Linux.  I'm not sure if
there the same in MD.  I didn't have any (well not much) problems
with my video in MD as with CL.  Hope this helps Bruce
:-)

- Original Message -

From:
alex.avellaneda

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 4:53
AM

Subject: [newbie] display blinking
 I just installed mandrake but as
it loads, the screen is blinking every 4-5 sec.; I guess it's
got to do with the refreshing rate
or something (my display: LCD, TFT, I haven't got any doc
for its config).
Could you help?
Thank you.to
reply remove the REMOVEME from the address

 




Re: [newbie] Linux-MD 6.0 Display Probs

2000-04-22 Thread Mike Corbeil

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> well i thank you all for the answer to my previous question - but i have just
> one more.. is there a way to reconfigure the display/monitor settings in
> the Linux GUI interface? I am able to see everything, but it is huge - where
> do i go to fix that?Thanks,Paul

Try Xconfigurator or look for a drak tool.  I believe that you should have
Xconfigurator available, but if you don't and you don't have a Mdk installation
guide or manual, and you're desperate, then do a search for all drak tools and
then examine these for the one which would provide the functionality you seek.

One way to do such a search would be the primitive way:

find /usr | grep -i drak
find /bin | grep -i drak
find /sbin | grep -i drak

If that fails to turn up drak tools, then do

rpm -qa | grep -i drak

You might find it quicker to start with the rpm search, first.  Besides, this
would also be more useful, because if the drak tools are rpm installed, then
you'll be able to use rpm to get basic information about each tool using the rpm
-qi option.

For example, if the diskdrake tool is called diskdrake, then

rpm -qi diskdrake

would give you basic information on the tool.

rpm -qil diskdrake

would tell you what files were installed or can be installed with a complete
install and where these files are located.  If you see man page files, then you
would be able to use man to get more documentation on the tool.  If you don't
see man page files, but you see info files, then you'ld have access to the
additional documentation using the info command.

If that fails to provide more complete documentation on a tool and you directed
the install program to install all documentation, then you should be able to
find documentation under or in the /usr/doc directory.

If you didn't instruct the install program to install all documentation, then
you can use rpm to install the documentation, all of it, or for individual RPMs,
as you wish.   You could do this by running rpm for individual RPMS, and you'll
probably find one for all documentation, or all documentation by documentation
type, such as man, info, HOWTOs, etcetera.  Mount the install cdrom and check
the RPMs in the Mandrake/RPMS directory of the cdrom.

If you have a directory named /Mandrake, or /usr/Mandrake, or /usr/doc/Mandrake,
on your system, then check this or these directories, to learn what's there.

One of the first and essential things for newbies to learn is the layout of the
configuration, what's available for documentation, etcetera.  This can
definitely help to find answers more quickly than from a mailing list.
Sometimes mailing lists provide quick results, but don't let this become a
handicap.

mike







Re: [newbie] running windows in linux

2000-04-22 Thread Monte Milanuk


You could also give VNC a try.  It is a program that lets you run an X
desktop using the windowmanager of your choice from a Windows or Mac,
and a Windows desktop from your X Workstation.  The client is very fast,
and even comes as a java applet you can run in a browser.  What it does
is it connects to a running vnc server on another machine on your net,
similar exporting an X display over telnet.  The neat part is that the
connection is 'stateless' so you can open a display on one machine,
close it, open it on another machine, and your workspace is preserved. 
It is exactly as you left it.  Check out http://uk.research.att.com/vnc
for the details.  I believe there are add on modules to facilitate the
use of SSL or SSH for more secure connections.

Monte


Rich wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I saw a screenshot on the mandrake site that had the linux operating system
> running with a window open running windows.  I need this because I have one
> of the only cable modems in the dang country that you have to force to dial
> (it sends through phone, receives through cable).
> 
> It works fine if I boot to windows and force it to dial, then restart in
> linux while it is still connected.  If I could open windows while in linux I
> could make it dial that way.  Can someone help me?
> 
> I also downloaded and installed mozilla 15 today... Is there any way to
> start it without typing the command in the console?  It keeps the console
> open that way...
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> 
> Rich Foreman

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Re: [newbie] modem

2000-04-22 Thread Jay Serafin

If the modem's box it came in says "requires Windows", then it cannot be used
under Linux. It's what's called a "WinModem", and will ONLY work under Win
95/98/2k, and not under any other OS that's not belonging to the "monopoly
family".

John "Jay" Serafin, owner/audio engineer
  Serafin Station Studio "B"
   Audio Control Room Phones:
. . . . . . . Voice: 708-422-0377 . . . . . . .
  http://www.flash.net/~gdtrfb95
No Bootlegging or Copyright Infringements

- Original Message -
From: "Emilio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 4:13 PM
Subject: [newbie] modem


Hello there,
I'm having problems w/my us robotics 56k ISA modem (no switches or jumpers).
For some reason it's reconized by the linux software as being ttys0. W98/w2000
see it as com3 irq10.
What can I do to force linux to see it as ttys2? I cannot use ttys0, it's used
by the mouse.
Also, how can I set the KDE windows to the same size? At times the windows are
larger then the screen loosing control of them.

Thank you.
Emilio
AMD K6, Mandrake 7.0, 64Mb, 2Gb (slave drive)





[newbie] modem

2000-04-22 Thread Emilio



Hello there,
I'm having problems w/my us robotics 56k ISA modem (no 
switches or jumpers).
For some reason it's reconized by the linux software as being 
ttys0. W98/w2000 see it as com3 irq10.
What can I do to force linux to see it as ttys2? I cannot use 
ttys0, it's used by the mouse.
Also, how can I set the KDE windows to the same size? At times 
the windows are larger then the screen loosing control of them.
 
Thank you.
Emilio
AMD K6, Mandrake 7.0, 64Mb, 2Gb (slave 
drive)


Re: [newbie] Another Programming Question

2000-04-22 Thread flupke

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
> 
> I'm just getting started programmming in Linux ( I know C/C++ pretty well
> in windows ), and I'm wondering where is a good place to start with C/C++
> can anybody recomend any good books or freee docs, or anything else that
> can help me get started?

If you want a GUI library for C/C++ programming, you could take a look
at gtk. See http://www.gtk.org for all downloads and docs.




[newbie] FREE yourself of this mailinglist....

2000-04-22 Thread nodyak0


If there are any out there still attempting to rid themselves of this
mail list, go to:

http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/flists.php3

scroll down to the Newby listings and then do your dispearing act.

Good Luck,

don
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But now I know that what I thought I knew
Isn't what I know I think I thought I knew.


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[newbie] Networking (PCs, and Macs and Linux oh my!)

2000-04-22 Thread Evan Holt

Hi there,

I just caught a little bit of the previous discussion on Samba when I joined
this list, so please excuse me if I'm re-earthing an already beat to death
topic on newbies and Samba ;-)

I'm running Mandrake and Win98 (dual boot) here at home durring my summer
holidays from College. My parents run their own accounting business out of
the house and therefore have a pre-existing network. So, being the curious
student that I am, I'm learning the wonders of networking and both Win98 and
Linux prove to be quite the task. So..to get to the point...the pre-existing
network has two iMacs (Macintoshes) and a network printer with a static IP
address. Now, I have hooked up my PC into the ethernet hub, given it an IP
address and now sucessfully print to the network printer. Now, the problem
seems to be printing in Linux. I've sucessfully installed Samba, but am
unsure how to set it up to print to a network printer. Since the path for it
would be through Windows, it can never work that way because of dual booting
right? Any help on this matter would be great.

If this is unclear, please e-mail me, and if anyone can offer any help or
links it would be appreciated very much!

Thanks in advance,

Evan Holt




Re: [newbie] Internal ATAPI Zip drive

2000-04-22 Thread John


Try

"modprobe imm"

at the command line, no quotations.  Mandrake works fine with my external
ZIP +.

On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, "WSJ" wrote:
> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:18:22 -0700
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "WSJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Internal ATAPI Zip drive
> 
> It takes a couple of days?  How did you get the other drives to show?
> I'm tying to get at the IBM Lotus.
> 
> Sparks
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Martin Foster 
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 9:33 AM
>   Subject: [newbie] Internal ATAPI Zip drive
> 
> 
>   Hi!
> 
>   Just having spent a couple of days installing and configuring Mandrake,
> I find
>   that I can access all my drives *except* my internal ATAPI Zip drive.
> Can
>   someone please tell me if it's possible to access it and if so, how?
> 
>   Regards,
>   Martin
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] LlinusConf & CD rom

2000-04-22 Thread Michael Holt

After you get everything installed, go to your desktop and click on
'DrakConf', from there you can select linuxconf.  It's an administration
tool used to simplify those sort of tasks.  For more info go to:

http://dns.solucorp.qc.ca/linuxconf/

Mike


> WSJ wrote:
> 
> First day with Linux and with a few questions:
> 
> Pg 83 User Guide and Reference Manual
> "You can launch LinuxConf directly from a terminal and select the
> Networking heading or type netconf directly." What the heck does that
> mean?
> While in root typing netconf in konsole it seems to come up with a
> text based version. If I look in SETTINGS/NETWORK, then the only thing
> I see is Talk Configuration.
> 
> I can not get anything to load from cdrom or floppy.
> 
> Please be patient with me
> 
> Sparks

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Re: [newbie] Internal ATAPI Zip drive

2000-04-22 Thread WSJ



It takes a couple of days?  How did you get 
the other drives to show?
I'm tying to get at the IBM Lotus.
 
Sparks

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Martin Foster 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 9:33 
  AM
  Subject: [newbie] Internal ATAPI Zip 
  drive
  Hi!Just having spent a couple of days installing and 
  configuring Mandrake, I findthat I can access all my drives *except* my 
  internal ATAPI Zip drive. Cansomeone please tell me if it's possible to 
  access it and if so, 
how?Regards,Martin


[newbie] Internal ATAPI Zip drive

2000-04-22 Thread Martin Foster

Hi!

Just having spent a couple of days installing and configuring Mandrake, I find
that I can access all my drives *except* my internal ATAPI Zip drive. Can
someone please tell me if it's possible to access it and if so, how?

Regards,
Martin




Re: [newbie] off topic

2000-04-22 Thread Terence J. Golightly

On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, Oder Santos wrote:
> I don't know if this is a off topic question but I have no idea where can I
> find  alt.os.linuxmandrake in a public news server. Does anyone have any
> information? Thanks in advance. Oder.


Oder,

try alt.os.linux.mandrake

terry

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[newbie] LlinusConf & CD rom

2000-04-22 Thread WSJ



First day with Linux and with a few 
questions:
 
Pg 83 User Guide and Reference Manual
"You can launch LinuxConf directly from a terminal 
and select the Networking heading or type netconf directly." What the heck does 
that mean?
While in root typing netconf in konsole it seems to 
come up with a text based version. If I look in SETTINGS/NETWORK, then the only 
thing I see is Talk Configuration.
 
I can not get anything to load from cdrom or 
floppy.
 
Please be patient with me
 
Sparks


Re: [newbie] Tape Backup Problems

2000-04-22 Thread Michelle Schneider

I was having similar problems. I needed to do the following:

insmod ftape
insmod zftape

in that order before anything would work

Michelle



On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> Hi there,
> I have set up my PC (a Gateway G6-233) as a dual boot systen.  I am able to
> boot into Windows 95 and Linux Mandrake 7.0 without any problems.  I have a
> Seagate tape drive which works perfectly well under Windows. When I boot into
> Linux the operating system seems to recognise its presence and call it hdd. 
> However, when I attempt to run the tape backup software I keep getting the
> message "Tape not in drive".  What do I need to do to resolve this?
> 
> Thanking you in advance for your assistance.
> 
> Yours faithfully,
> 
> John Wallis
> ---




Re: [newbie] running windows in linux

2000-04-22 Thread Timothy McCluskey

I'm using VMWARE. You can boot an OS as a Virtual Machine from Linux using this
product.  Download a trial copy at http://www.vmware.com/.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Tim McCluskey
Amdahl Corporation

"Jason R. Lucier" wrote:

> Try a program you can find it at www.vmware.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 6:35 PM
> Subject: [newbie] running windows in linux
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I saw a screenshot on the mandrake site that had the linux operating
> system
> > running with a window open running windows.  I need this because I have
> one
> > of the only cable modems in the dang country that you have to force to
> dial
> > (it sends through phone, receives through cable).
> >
> > It works fine if I boot to windows and force it to dial, then restart in
> > linux while it is still connected.  If I could open windows while in linux
> I
> > could make it dial that way.  Can someone help me?
> >
> > I also downloaded and installed mozilla 15 today... Is there any way to
> > start it without typing the command in the console?  It keeps the console
> > open that way...
> >
> > Thanks a lot,
> >
> > Rich Foreman
> >
> >

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[newbie] subscribe newbie

2000-04-22 Thread lordly


subscribe newbie
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Re: Forw: [newbie] What driver for the Adaptec ASW B626

2000-04-22 Thread Michael Holt

>  I recently found an old 386 Unisys PC that I'm trying to install Red Hat 6.1
>  on.  It has the Adaptec ASW B626 SCSI card on the motherboard.  None of the RH
>  drivers will load, and the hd is scsi as well as the apple cdrom I scavanged.
>  Anyone have any ideas?

Wow!  That's probably before my time!  Just a thought though, is RH 6.1 optimized for 
that
hardware, or would you need to download a version to cover that stuff?  (Something like
downloading the Mandrake i486 version of 7.0 instead of the one on the shelf that is 
for
i586 and up.  Don't know, just a thought)


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[newbie] Need help

2000-04-22 Thread William Neuman

Hi all,

I need some help with CommuniGate Pro. I want to evaluate it but I have some
questions. Can anyone send me to a news group or list for help? I checked
Stalker.com and didn't see anything that could help.

I have it configured to poll a pop3 server but I'm not sure of how a client
on my LAN can go into his mailbox and get his mail...

Bill




[newbie] Tape Backup Problems

2000-04-22 Thread John Wallis


Hi there,
I have set up my PC (a Gateway G6-233) as a dual boot systen.  I am able to
boot into Windows 95 and Linux Mandrake 7.0 without any problems.  I have a
Seagate tape drive which works perfectly well under Windows. When I boot into
Linux the operating system seems to recognise its presence and call it hdd. 
However, when I attempt to run the tape backup software I keep getting the
message "Tape not in drive".  What do I need to do to resolve this?

Thanking you in advance for your assistance.

Yours faithfully,

John Wallis
---




Re: [newbie] Start-up Screen

2000-04-22 Thread Evan Holt

Hi again,

Just out of curiosity, is the start-up boot manager just an addition to the
Debian versions such as Corel and Storm Linux?

Thanks,

Evan Holt




Re: [newbie] hmmm, fat32

2000-04-22 Thread Kenneth L. Yoho Jr.

yes but your fstab.conf  file has to have vfat as the type.

Vic wrote:



> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if Linux (any version) can
> read a fat32 partition.
>
> No rush, just curious.
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Forw: [newbie] What driver for the Adaptec ASW B626

2000-04-22 Thread tymanthius

Sent this a while back, but no luck.  Any find out yet?

Ty C. Mixon
F.T.C. Enterprises
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 I recently found an old 386 Unisys PC that I'm trying to install Red Hat 6.1 
 on.  It has the Adaptec ASW B626 SCSI card on the motherboard.  None of the RH 
 drivers will load, and the hd is scsi as well as the apple cdrom I scavanged.  
 Anyone have any ideas?

 Thanks!

 Ty C. Mixon
 F.T.C. Enterprises
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[newbie] Color Ls edit

2000-04-22 Thread mrc

In listing files in terminal mode (Mandrake 7.0) I find the color green hard
to read. Is there a way to change to another color?

Any suggestions much appreciated.

Michael Coady




Re: [newbie] off topic

2000-04-22 Thread Rainer Lindenmaier



Oder Santos schrieb:

> I don't know if this is a off topic question but I have no idea where can I
> find  alt.os.linuxmandrake in a public news server. Does anyone have any
> information? Thanks in advance. Oder.

there's a newsgroup  alt.os.linux.mandrake

jogger





[newbie] Device Under SCSI bus?

2000-04-22 Thread Necrotica

Hello!

What device under /dev would be the SCSI bus? The reason I ask is
because I am trying to give my regular non-root user access to burn CDs. I
added it to the cdwriter group, so it does have access to /dev/scd0 (the CD
burner device itself) and can burn CDs under Linux. However, I would like to
be able to use CDRWIN under WINE. Alas, CDRWIN scans the SCSI bus when it
runs, thus a non-root user can't use it. Any ideas?

Thanks!

-Necro




[newbie] SCSI Bus

2000-04-22 Thread Necrotica

What device in /dev is the SCSI bus? I would like to be able to have a normal
user be able to scan the SCSI bus (ie: to use CDRWIN under WINE). The user
has access to /dev/scd0 itself, however, because it doesn't have access to
the SCSI bus CDRWIN won't scan it. 

-Necro




Re: [newbie] off topic

2000-04-22 Thread The Russells

Hi Oder,

It is alt.os.linux mandrake.  I have it on the news server that my ISP
subscribes to.  Note the space between linux and mandrake.  Sometimes those
news servers can be finicky.  Maybe that's why you aren't finding it.  Did
you try running a search at deja.com?

Thanks,
Kathleen




Re: [newbie] Start-up Screen/MaximumLinux Magazine

2000-04-22 Thread Evan Holt

Hi there,

From: Alan Shoemaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> EvanI just installed storm (using the cd that came with
> MaximumLinux Magazine) and thought the same as you about its
> version of lilo.  It's on my list of things to do to see if I
> can lift the lilo out of storm and use it in Mandrake.  If you
> beat me to it, let me know how it works out, ok?

I'm not too knowledgable in the world of Linux, I've only been using it on
and off since Christmas, but if I do come across a solution, I will tell you
:-)

I must say though that I was quite impressed by the MaximumLinux Magazine! I
always enjoy going to my local Chapters bookstore and picking up the latest
UK magazines such as .Net (Web/HTML) PCZone (PCGames) and Mac and PC Format
(the best computer magazines) which all come with their own CD stuffed full
of fantastic goodies. I have been keeping my eye open for a new Linux
magazine with a CD because I enjoy the read and think that it will help the
Linux community. Linux Magazine is great (it has very good articles), but a
little over my head since I'm only a newbie. I hope lots of non-Linux/Linux
users find this magazine and give it a try (especially since this last ish
has two distributions of Linux on it).

(more..)

From: Michael Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> There's also System Commander, I believe they offer a boot
> manager.  I'm using the BeOS boot manager, only drawback with that would
> be that you would have to install BeOS to configure it.

That's an interesting idea, I've always wanted to give BeOS a shot, and now
since it's free..  ;-)

> I don't know if that helped at all, but I am curious, why not use
> BootMagic?

I just installed Mandrake 7.0 from the lastest issue of MaximumLinux
Magazine, which only has the installation disk. But I've enjoyed it so much
I'm thinking of purchasing the entire version.

Thanks again to all,

Evan Holt




[newbie] off topic

2000-04-22 Thread Oder Santos

I don't know if this is a off topic question but I have no idea where can I
find  alt.os.linuxmandrake in a public news server. Does anyone have any
information? Thanks in advance. Oder.




Re: [newbie] hmmm, fat32

2000-04-22 Thread Dan LaBine

Just figured that with all the arguing going on in here that we could use a
little humour. I will admit however, that us Linux folks are passionate
about our O/S 's. What'cha gonna do, eh? Have a good one, but go easy on the
chocolate bunnies!

Dan
( here ends the easter comments! Let's get back to being cocky, arrogant
computer geeks! Woo Hoo!)
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Holt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] hmmm, fat32


> haha! Happy Easter to you too!
> Mike
>
> Dan LaBine wrote:
> >
> > Enough is Enough!! Have some compassion for the rest of us will ya? It's
> > easter for God's sake! Most of us ( I hope! ) just ate a hell of a lot
of
> > ham or something, and all you can talk about is FAT??? Why not wait
until
> > tomorrow when we're all feeling real guilty about making pigs of
ourselves,
> > and then hit us with all the FAT talk ! Personally, I went WAY beyond 32
> > grams of Fat tonight! Grin, Grin! Happy Easter!
>
> --
> 
> The Penguins are coming!!!
>
> 
> Michael Holt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>