Re: [newbie] Lilo Failure

2000-08-21 Thread Goldenpi

It means you haven't set up lilo correctly. /dev/hdb1 is the 1st partition
on the slave hard drive of your primary controler. The message means its not
there.

If you want to set the system to boot from the hard disk rather than the
floppy, look in the bios.

- Original Message -
From: Michael Hatzakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 8:57 PM
Subject: [newbie] Lilo Failure


> Trying to get my system to boot from the hard drive not the floppy.  When
> I run lilo and klilo, I get the error message:
>
> "Warning: /dev/hdb1 is not on the first disk"
>
> That does this mean exactly?
>
> Thanks, Michael
>
>
>





Re: [newbie] Linux book

2000-08-21 Thread Paul

On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Marcia Waller wrote:

>Dear Paul, Awhile back you recommended a good linux book to study and
>unfortunately I accidentally erased that message. Would you please give me
>the name of that book again? Also, I noticed that you seem very familiar
>with commands, how to edit, and just about anything else with linux. Are
>there places on the web to get that know how? Is it in your recommended
>book? Thank you. Marcia

Hi Marcia,

The book I use a lot is "Running Linux", by O'Reilly & Associates. You can
even order it online at www.oreilly.com.
This has helped me along a great deal, there is a lot of information in
it.

Good luck with it!
Paul

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Re: [newbie] Perl for 7.1

2000-08-21 Thread Paul

On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Im trying to get my perl scripts to work so I can work on the on my system 
>instead of having to play with the upload and download on windows crap. I 
>cant get it to execute the perl scripts though. They are called *.cgi, but I 
>know i cant the the *.pl's working either. Can anyone help me?

.CGI files are CGI scripts. I don't believe this is proper Perl, it is a
different kind of scripting language.

To run something.pl you need to start it with

#!/usr/bin/perl   (or wherever your perl is in the path),

write the script beneath it, and chmod +x something.pl. This last one is
important, you can't execute a non-executable file.

Good luck!
Paul

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Re: [newbie] KCharset

2000-08-21 Thread Paul

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, mrc wrote:

>I'm regularly getting the message: KCharset: wrong char set.
>
>Is there something I can edit to correct whatever is wrong?

Do several programs complain about that, or just one?
Paul

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[newbie] MSEC

2000-08-21 Thread Barry Premeaux

Has anyone used MSEC?  I was reading over the
man (Section 8), but dould not find
a command to tell me the current setting.  If
you go into DrakeConf, it displays the 3
options.  If you click on 'Medium', you get a
flash on the screen and it closes leaving
you at the menu.  If you log in as root, type
'msec 3', it scrolls through a script
indicating
it is making various changes to the config.
But how do you determine your current
security level?

--
Barry :-)







Re: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0

2000-08-21 Thread Dan LaBine

Couldn't of said it better myself ! However, it seems that MAC's are also
built in to cablemodems, as well as NIC's, and different ISP's are pulling
(polling?) the MAC's from either one or the other piece of equipment,
depending on their system. I guess it's just a different version of ISDN
routers which use a programmable PCMCIA card to maintain an IP number for
their router.

Dan
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0


> The MAC comes from a set of numbers/letters that each manufacturer gets
for
> their hardware.  This gives each card (ethernet for example) a unique
address
> that is programmed into the firmware of the card and is traceable to the
manufacturer.  It is the fundamental address used in routing. Unless the
> manufacturer is kind enough to post the MAC address on the device, the
only
> way I know to find it is with a sniffer.
>
> Barry :)
>
>
> On Mon, 21 August 2000, "markOpoleO" wrote:
>
> >
> > I went through 2 cable modems and 3 nic for my service.  The MAC is
located
> > outside box i was told...*shrug*
> > I got a new cable modem cause they used a no name brand i never heard
of,
> > got a us robotics and like it better. hehe
> >
> > markOpoleO
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Dan LaBine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 9:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0
> >
> >
> > | Nope, I'm not using your provider. But this is the first I hear of a
> > | cablemodem having a MAC address, too, so you could be right. It's
either
> > an
> > | extra EEPROM chip in the cablemodem or some such piece of equipment if
> > thats
> > | the case. With mine, you need to contact them if you change your NIC.
Then
> > | they scan your system, get the MAC, and your back up. Here, it's
actually
> > | the MAC address that ID's you to them, and then they can connect you.
It's
> > | probably the same 4 U, but as you say, the address comes from your
> > | cablemodem. Hmmm,..you just never know, do ya?
> > |
> > | Dan
> > | - Original Message -
> > | From: "Greg Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > | Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:36 PM
> > | Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0
> > |
> > |
> > | > > The first thing to remember is that you MUST use that network card
!
> > | Each
> > | > network card ( No matter who built it ), has a distinct MAC (
Machine
> > | Access
> > | > Code )and it is how your ISP identifies your computer when
you're
> > | > connecting.
> > | >
> > | > Are you sure this is necessary? I've changed NICs three times since
I've
> > | > gotten my cable modem (configuration screwey-ness), and nothing
> > | detrimental
> > | > has happened to me... Actually, the MAC address that was recorded on
the
> > | > optonline website was that of the *cable modem* not a NIC! Are you
> > | positive
> > | > it's not just a quirk of your particular cable provider? (unless
you're
> > | with
> > | > optonline also.)
> > | >
> > | > --Greg
> > | >
> > | > - Original Message -
> > | >
> > | > The first thing to remember is that you MUST use that network card !
> > Each
> > | > network card ( No matter who built it ), has a distinct MAC (
Machine
> > | Access
> > | > Code ).  That code is only used on your card. It is not
transferrable to
> > | > another card and it is how your ISP identifies your computer when
you're
> > | > connecting. I just learned this the hard way 2 days ago. There is
almost
> > | > nothing to configure in Mandrake. Go to Drakconf, Network
Configuration,
> > | > find your NIC (Network Interface Card). You don't need to put
anything
> > in
> > | > for Host Name + Domain, or Alias. Make sure that the "Enabled"
button is
> > | > turned on (Pushed in), and make sure that you've selected DHCP as
well.
> > | That
> > | > should do it. You can also enter your DNS numbers which you will
find on
> > | > your ISP's web-site. If you have all of that configured, everything
> > should
> > | > be fine. Make sure that you have not enabled ADSL, PPPOE, or ISDN
> > anywhere
> > | > is Drakconf. At the worst, you may want to reboot, just to make sure
> > | > everything is O.K.
> > | >
> > | > That's all.
> > | > - Original Message -
> > | > From: Mifune
> > | > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > | > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 4:59 PM
> > | > Subject: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0
> > | >
> > | >
> > | >  Hi,
> > | > I have installed Linux Mandrake 7.0 on my computer.
> > | > I would like to configure my internetconnection using a cable modem.
> > | > The only information to do so that I found concerns Mandrake 6.0
> > | > This tells me to go to control panel, select network configuration
(of
> > | > course),
> > | > and then select interfaces.
> > | > But the network

Re: [newbie] Perl for 7.1

2000-08-21 Thread CastleKidd

I Cant get them to work in any directory, but I havnt tried all of the,. Can 
you tell me one that I should try it from.

THanks

In a message dated 08/21/2000 11:23:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> which directory are you running them from and I beleive you need to
>  configure PERL to allow execution from specific directories.  It is a
>  security issue.  It has been a while.  I am getting my CGI's up and
>  running as well and if I come across this file, I'll send you mine.
>  
>  Thanks, Michael
>   
>  On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
>  > Im trying to get my perl scripts to work so I can work on the on my 
system 
> 
>  > instead of having to play with the upload and download on windows crap. 
I 
>  > cant get it to execute the perl scripts though. They are called *.cgi, 
but 
> I 
>  > know i cant the the *.pl's working either. Can anyone help me?
>  > 
>  > Thanks for all the help so far!
>  > ~Lance
>  > 
>  > 




Re: [newbie] OT Linux has on windows

2000-08-21 Thread Larry Hignight

Neptune wrote:

> > The Neptune wrote:
> >
> > > And I have more problems come up with Linux than I ever did have with
> > > windows that is why I just got done taking Linux off my HD and putting
> > > windows back on. Linux needs alot of work before it can even come
> > > close to preforming like windows!!

Thank God that Linux performs nothing like windows.  typical mindless windows
user
So what were these insurmountable "problems"  I'm sure we'll find it rather
amusing.

> > > Where do you want to go today! Windows will get you there almost right out
> > > of the box. Were with Linux it May be a long time coming before you
> > > get every thing working just the way you like (but this may be more the fault
> > > of the applications you use and not linux itself.)
> > > Doug

Doug ...
I can't seem to get my second cpu working in Winblows ... can you give me a hand
please.  Oh yeah, before you suggest that I break the bank on Win2k, I use a usb
mouse  sorry.

In all honesty, you spend more time installing hardware on a linux machine if you
have either crappy
winware or obscure hardware.  On the hand, I don't spend near the amount of time in
Linux with software not
mention drivers and rebooting after an install.  Hell, it would take me a month and
over $1000 to find
substitutes for all the great linux software in Mandrake.  Not to mention
reinstalling my programs and
restoring backups.

> Companys like Mandrake should be working on making drivers for these lower cost
> products.

Why on earth would Mandrake want to support crappy software?  So someone can complain
about how lousy
there computer isin both Win and Linux?  We don't need to support the dummy crowd ...
they'll buy a new
computer long before someone spends the time to write a driver for their winmouse.  I
would much rather
see these talented people doing something useful with their time.  An mpg4 player
would be nice. :)

> And the winmodems etc cuts down on parts count and lowers the price of the machine
> and this make
> more equipment that can be had by lower income people.

Nonsense.  Cost really isn't much better.  If anything it raised the cost of regular
modems as much as it lowered
the cost of silly winjunk, and tripled the number of manufacturers with lousy or
non-existant tech and driver support.
As far as the low income people are concerned  they can afford a library, if not
a used computer.

> Not everyone needs a high tech Doom playing machine! And as you can see I'm back on
> Linux
> again (but fore how long LOL) I wasted more money getting a Mandrake
> deluxe CD set. To help with getting more lib's to compile programs I download.
> Another problems I
> did not have with Windows!

Linux by all accounts is much better at running on lower end hardware  you can't
even begin to dipute
that fact.  Also, I don't think you can really use cost as a factor when Linux can be
had for free.  You had
the option of buying or dl'ing and you chose to buy.  I've added a couple of programs
to Mandrake 7.1 and
one of them did require a library.  Big deal  goto library site, dl,  make,
install, install program.

Glad to see your giving Linux another shot  stick with it this time.

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Re: [newbie] Perl for 7.1

2000-08-21 Thread Michael Hatzakis

which directory are you running them from and I beleive you need to
configure PERL to allow execution from specific directories.  It is a
security issue.  It has been a while.  I am getting my CGI's up and
running as well and if I come across this file, I'll send you mine.

Thanks, Michael
 
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Im trying to get my perl scripts to work so I can work on the on my system 
> instead of having to play with the upload and download on windows crap. I 
> cant get it to execute the perl scripts though. They are called *.cgi, but I 
> know i cant the the *.pl's working either. Can anyone help me?
> 
> Thanks for all the help so far!
> ~Lance
> 
> 





RE: [newbie] (newbie) Help: Mandrake 7.1 and Weird X

2000-08-21 Thread BANESTO

I am still working on the problem. If you have lot of time and more patience
try this:
1) Install Mandrake as Advanced User
2) Install the minimun packages you need, ie KDE and X
3) Once installation is complete.Configure your system (Soundcard,NET,...)
4) Run rpmdrake and start installing packages.(you may need to reinstall
KDE)

I am working now with KDE only. Next Step, the DVDPLAYER for Dxr2 which I
made it run in RH6.0.
- Original Message -
From: Prashant Krishnamurthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:48 AM
Subject: [newbie] (newbie) Help: Mandrake 7.1 and Weird X


> Hi all,
>
> I installed Mandrake 7.1. When I typed startx, I would get a blue screen
> with the mouse and then the X windows would close with the message
"Waiting
> for X to shut down". Someone told me it is a problem with KDE and I should
> instead use xinit to start. So, I tried that with icewm-gnome, twm, and
> other window managers. it works! I get the X-windows, including a clock
> at the bottom right corner, and all the menus in each of the window
managers.
> Netscape starts, so do xpdf, xv and rxvt. But NONE of the other
applications
> start. Nothing happens or else I get a skeleton box that dies. Sometimes
> there is a core dump, sometimes there isn't. What could be the problem?
> Help!
>
> Once this gets solved, I need to fingure out how to connect my modem.
> But that will be another story I guess :-).
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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[newbie] Perl for 7.1

2000-08-21 Thread CastleKidd

Im trying to get my perl scripts to work so I can work on the on my system 
instead of having to play with the upload and download on windows crap. I 
cant get it to execute the perl scripts though. They are called *.cgi, but I 
know i cant the the *.pl's working either. Can anyone help me?

Thanks for all the help so far!
~Lance




Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT

2000-08-21 Thread Larry Hignight

Ed Tharp amongst others wrote (with a lot of snipping):

>  And Mike is right about the platforms, too. OSs (plural) for the x86
> platform should be able to  support all the hardware available for the
> platform.
> > > But it isn't the responsibility of the OS company to support all
> hardware.  All hardware for the x86 platform should support every OS
> > > available.  So while I'll agree with you, I'll disagree about who is
> toblame.  A decent hardware company should support every OS they can. >

> > >> And they should start with the most common. I'd like Linux to
> > >> support my Matrox Marvel G400, PS/2 mouse, CD-RW and HP DeskJet 930

I can hardly believe this thread.  There is no way in hell that any os company
(even ms) can have enough time and resources to write drivers for all the
hardware out there.  I repeat ... not even MS.  Off the top of my head, x86
Linux has better hardware support then any other os except ms win95/98.  Does
win2k/nt do usb?  what about ce?  Also, if more hardware companies would write
unified drivers then that would solve a number of problems.  Think Nvidia and
not 3dfx in the future.  Incidentally, 3dfx is a dinosaur and will be extinct
very soon.

Second, whoever wrote that the mandrake drivers aren't broke and that there the
best probably has to much coding experience to be on this newbie list.  Sorry
for being arrogant and rude but they came across in the same manner.

Third, if you can't wrap your mind around the idea of partitions and mount
points then there just isn't much hope for you.  Is it really any harder to
grasp then chapter /usr in the book hda begins on page hda1.  Not to mention
those partitions/mount points are kind of nice when it comes time to upgrade.
Ever upgraded or reinstalled a MS system (seems like I can't go more then 3
months)?  What a pain in the ass (ms trademark); I mean really.  The best
application that comes with the os is notepad  and I'm not dissin' notepad
either.  It might be the best thing MS ever made.  At least I don't have to
reboot after using it.  You can't keep your applications on another
partition, reinstall the os, and expect them to work with that freakin' Satanic
registry.

Fourth, a bit closer to the original posting.  Granted, a V5 isn't going to be
the easiest thing to get working at this point, but in two or three months
every distro will have X4.0 with fairly modern 3d drivers ... until then you've
got to either wait it out or install some drivers.  I've read a few hardware
reviews of the V5 in Linux so it must work.  You mean there are
problems with some games in Linux ... oh dear, I can't ever seem to recall any
articles in either PC Gamer or MaximumPC bitching about broken games and
patches for windows.  Fact:  there games are just as broken as ours.  Maybe not
Quake or Unreal (actually, Unreal has been nothing short of hell for me in
windows) but a lot of win98 games are just as big a pain to setup and tweak to
stability.  I have a friend that laughed hysterically when he saw me
playing a q3 match to 500 at a lan party a while back.  What's so damn funny?
I'd be lucky if my (win98) system made it to 20.  Who cares about the buffet
when the ship is sinking.

Fifth, there is no "easiest" to install distro.  Mandrake is easy; no doubt
about it.  Caldera might be a bit easier because it doesn't have quite as many
hardware setup choices.  Corel a bit easier still.  You can get a Fry's system
with a custom version of Linux.  Pop in the cd and bam ... the system is
installed.  No questions asked.  But you get what you pay for in a sense.  I
can't install either X3.6 or X4 in Caldera.  That Fry's system is totally
closed unless you know how to boot in as single user and replace root's
password.  So the added bit of complexity can be a good thing.  Does the win98
install give you either an easy install or much choice?  Don't think so.  Can
Win98 install over a network? Nope.  FTP?  With that silly ftp client?!  Ever
had a win98 system setup with 5 or 6 comilers/languages; all the internet tools
you can use; graphics programs; multimedia players; mp3 rippers/encoders in
under a hour?  A week?  Maybe w/ dsl or cable.  Ever had a win98 system
reinstall an older version of DirectX on top of the one you just dl'ed?  Would
a newbie know what just happened?  Nope.  Need another 50 examples of crappy
software design?  Hopefully not.

Moral of the story:  Linux is somewhat more complex at times; however that
complexity gives us a much more robust and flexible os.  And don't forget we
won't be paying MS taxes any time soon either.  Should we dumb down Linux just
so a bunch of windows weenies can use it?  Never.  Let evolution replace them
 keep Linux pristine.

--
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Re: [newbie] KCharset

2000-08-21 Thread Oliver L. Plaine Jr.

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:13:00 -0400, you wrote:

>I'm regularly getting the message: KCharset: wrong char set.
>
>Is there something I can edit to correct whatever is wrong?
>
>Michael Coady
>

Mon, 21 Aug 2000  18:55:03

I remember having this happen Michael, and I think I cured that error
by going into the setting on the kde and changing the language to
english in two places on the drop down box. I wish I could remember
where I read this fix, but I do remember that it worked..8-)

Olly P
Biloxi 
Mississippi




Re: [newbie] Kppp and Networking

2000-08-21 Thread Bob

Hi Greg,
I did as you advised except"portsentry". Haven't tried that yet.
I installed pmfirewall, and checked  /etc/hosts.allow  and /et/hosts.deny
After installing pmfirewall I did ./pmfirewall restart  and it showed my dns
numbers allright but it said  about ppp0 "device not found" also under
ipchains an "invalid mask message"
 at the end it showed
External   ppp0 /
Anyway Kppp still fails. The only time I can get Kppp to connect and :reach
out" is when I disable eth0 and my DNS number. Under Kppp Statistics
It will say Local Addr  6x.xx.xx.x Remote Addr. 208.223.199.240
What do I try next?
Thanks
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Greg Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Kppp and Networking


> OK, I think I've learned something tonite...
>
> Mandrake seems to like adding the line:
> ALL:ALL EXCEPT localhost:DENY
> to the /etc/hosts.deny file. Since this is the case, you'll need to remove
> it and add your internal client (Box2) to the /etc/hosts/allow file on
Box1
> with:
> ALL:ALL 192.168.100.2:ACCEPT
>  this should clear a few things up and we can continue.
>
> > Do I have to use a Firewall anyway?
>
> Yes, actually, firewalling in linux can do two things: protect your
machine
> from hackers, and masquerade internal IP addresses so that more than one
box
> can access the internet. (and other things, but that's enough for now).
>
> Download the pmfirewall tarball from www.pointman.org and we can get that
> install to establish firewall rules, and masquerading in a very easy
> installation script.
>
> For the file and printer sharing, if Box2 is a windows box, you'll need to
> install Samba, if not we're much closer.
>
> The firewall:  once you've downloaded the tarball for pmfirewall, gunzip
and
> untar it (gunzip filename, then  tar -xvf filename). cd to the pmfirewall
> directory, and type ./install  (that's: dot-slash, then install--I still
> can't see them dots!)
>
> The first thing you'll be asked for is a directory, choose the default.
>
> Then for your external interface, type:   ppp0
>
> say no to almost everything, unless you plan to run ftp, ssh, httpd, etc.
> And if you use chat rooms, say yes to IDENT.
>
> You'll be asked if you'd like to open ports for special IP ranges, just
> press enter, Mostly, the defaults are what you'd like to select.
>
> You'll then be asked if you want pmfirewall to autmatically detect your
> external IP, say yes.
>
> then You'll be given the option to masquerade, say yes.
>
> The internal interface is eth0.
>
> Automatic detection of IPs is good. Say yes.
>
> pmfirewall should be set up at this point (if I've missed anything, simply
> select the default setting).
>
> Just to make sure, cd into /usr/local/pmfirewall and type:  ./pmfirewall
> restart
>
> You should see you IP address listed correctly.
>
> At this point, you should be able to ping straight through your new
> firewall, from Box2 out to the internet.
>
> Now, I'd suggest you go to www.psionic.com, and get yourself portsentry.
> When you've done that we can install portsentry and really tighten up your
> firewall box.
>
> --Greg
> > Configuration  is Internet <==> [Modem--Box1--NIC] <==> HUB <==>
> > [NIC--Box2]>
> > Box2 also has a modem.  Box2 can access the internet but networking is
not
> > setup. If  I do setup Networking thru Drakconf , the same situation will
> > occur. Under "Basic Host Information--  adaptor 1" I use manual instead
of
> > Dchp. Is that allright? I tried to install the rpm's for Dchp but "eth0"
> > fails during boot when I enable Dchp. Do I need Dchp?
> >
> > I changed the "static gateway" as you suggested to 192.168.100.1--I
> got
> > the same Message "peer is not authorized to use remote address
> > 192.168.100.1"
> > Here is /etc/reslove.conf   below
> > nameserver 192.168.100.1
> > nameserver 208.223.196.128
> >
> > Whenever I use the "default" gateway  instead of a"static" gaetway ,I
get
> > the same message except the DNS number is 208.223.199.240-I have
never
> > intered this number, my ISP doesn't know (or admit) where it comes from.
> My
> > ISP assigns me a differnet DNS number everytime I logon. My ISP is of
very
> > little help with Linux.
> >
> > Greg , what I'm wanting to do is be able to share files (and printer)
and
> > also to be able to access internet from either computer. I"m not wanting
> my
> > LAN to be accessed through the internet. Do I have to use a Firewall
> anyway?
> >
> > Sorry for my ignorance, the help is much appreciated!!
> > Thanks
> > Bob
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Greg Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 3:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [newbie] Kppp and Networking
> >
> >
> > > 1. I can't believe I'm doing this at 4:13am...where the hell did my
life
> > go?
> > >
> > > 2. > ISP Dns 208.223.196.128(I also set this as Gateway in
> > Kppp
> > > This has got to go

Re: [newbie] Audio Devices

2000-08-21 Thread Vic

If there is a group called audio on your system, then
I would test adding goddess and penguin to
the group audio.

Hope this helps



On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> I have recently installed Mandrake 7.0 (Air) [1.1.2 KDE, 2.2.14-15mdk kernel].
> 
> There are 3 users on my system, "god", "goddess", and "penguin".  root & god
> can acess the audio devices (through audio mpeg player), however, goddess and
> penguin can not.  All three of the users in group "god".  They get a
> "permission denied" response when trying to start play of a mp3.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Brendan
> Grinnell, IA, US




Re: [newbie] Upgrading (was: Red hat installation problem]

2000-08-21 Thread patrick darcy

Michael Scottaline wrote:

> Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > well now...lets see. If mandrake 7.2 is in beta now, then it'll probably
> > be out somwhere around say...Christmas? good heavens. I just installed
> > Mandrake 7.1 this past June which means this installation will only be 6
> > months old, and ...ah geez how do ya keep up with this stuff?

that to me is called progress. would u rather have  new versions every
six months or every several years. i would take the 6 months and i cant
wait to throw out my 7.1 and install 8.0. koffice kernal 2.4 without
all the hassles that some of u are having. a , im in dreamy land
now. kde2 also, oh yea



>
> >
> > about the only reason I can think of to upgrade from 7.1 to 7.2 or 8.0
> > would be KDE2 - koffice. Is that a good enough reason, or do ya think we
> > could get those modules seperately. I hate to disturb an installation
> > when it's happy.
> > --
> > Mark
> 
> I'm running 7.1 on a laptop and my home computer.  I think I'll wait until the
> distros have a STABLE version that includes kernel 2.4.x, KDE 2.0 (with
> KOffice) and XFree86 4.0.x (or perhaps I'll just install XiGraphics
> Accelerated-X).  I would think for Mandrake this would be an 8.0 version, for
> Redhat a 7.x, Caldera a 3.0, and for Slackware an 8.0 (just pure speculation
> ;o) )
> Mike
>
> "What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch?"
> --W. C. Fields
>
> 
> Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at 
>http://home.netscape.com/webmail





Re: [newbie] GRUB bootloader question

2000-08-21 Thread Kathleen Dickason

I ended up adding

title BeOS
root (hda1,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1

to GRUB in vi and now it works like a charm :)))

thanks all for the help!  apparently with BeOS you have to use a 
chainloader, like Windows, and not boot from the kernel as with Linux 
or BSD.

anyway, I'm a happy camper now with 4 OSes that boot from GRUB!!

Kathleen


>> How do I add BeOS?  This is the OS I am currently booting from 
floppy.  It's on
>> the first partition on my 2nd hd, but GRUB doesn't seem to recognize 
the
>> partition type.  Can anyone help?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Kathleen
>
>   just a hunch, completely logout as user and log into root's
>desktop. Then try it again. ??
>
> -- 
>~~   Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>




Re: [newbie] Loading the on-board NIC tulip driver

2000-08-21 Thread DougC

Bill, 
thanks for your reply. How do I configure? Where do I
go? I got a response from macmillan and they led me
thru the editing of the conf.modules file. Now when I
look at one of the configuration programs that show
what is attached to what, it looks as if there is some
type of recognition of the PCI adaptor. My fears are:
1- I saw a USB line with the same IRQ of 9 .
2- The driver is out dated.

In any case maybe configuring it will work. But, in
any case drakeconf (or whatever it is called) shows no
device in the network adaptor section. That concerns
me.

Anyways If you could just point me to how I might
configure it, it would be helpful. It is a dynamic IP
address if that matters.


Thanks Again,

Doug








--- Bill Fry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Doug,
> I had difficulty myself with the drivers, but here's
> the basic answer.
> The tulip.o module is loaded from the conf.modules
> file in the /etc
> directory.
> If you have loaded a different driver for your
> ethernet card (working or
> not), you should see a line that looks something
> like this:
> alias eth0 somedriver
> Change that to be the tulip driver by changing the
> driver name to the
> name of the file without the .o extension:
> alias eth0 tulipdrivername
> 
> I can't remember the name off-hand, but if it's not
> just "tulip", it may
> be "tulip_cs" or something like that.
> Being PCI it should configure and run from there.
> You will also have to edit the ip address, gateway,
> etc parameters for
> it to start working, but that can be covered once
> you know the driver
> has loaded.
> As to your yes/no questions, the only one not
> obviously answered above
> would be do you have to be root to do this.
> I think here the answer is yes.  You could "su" from
> command line and
> edit it that way, but I'm pretty sure you have to
> have root permissions
> to write the changes to the file.
> Hope that helps...
> --
> Bill Fry
> IT Director,
> Young & Roehr Group
> 503.222.0626
> 
> 
> DougC wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> > I installed 7.1 yesterday but during
> configuration, it
> > did not list my 10/100 Linksys Ethernet card for
> my
> > cable modem ( not a PMCIA card - just a regular
> card).
> > Overall though,the install went generally well.
> >
> > Linux seems to know it's a PCI ethernet card, just
> not
> > what kind. I skipped this portion and now I have
> no
> > internet connection.
> > I went to the linksys website and they explained
> that
> > the on-board (already in linux) 'tulip.o' driver
> is
> > compatible and should work.
> >
> > How does one exactly 'load' this tulip.o driver?
> > I found this file buried under a bunch of subdirs.
> >
> > Some YES/No Questions:
> > 1- Must I be at Admin level to do this step?
> > 2- Will any command line 'screen' allow me to do
> this
> > ?
> > 3- Must I be in the subdir where the tulip.o
> > file/driver is located.
> > 4- Are there straight forward command to load it?
> >
> > If anyone can detail what I need to do I would be
> > greatly appreciated.
> >
> > FYI-I have been using the KDE interface.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Doug Conrad
> >
> > PII-350 96 megs ram
> > ATI 8 meg video card
> > Lynksys 10/100 PCI ethernet card (cable modem)
> IRQ9
> > Has Dual Boot with boot magic/master? I forget
> name
> > On board Crystal sound (doesn't work yet on linux)
> >
> > __
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> > Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from
> anywhere!
> > http://mail.yahoo.com/
> 
> 


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[newbie] Lt Winmodem with 'drake 7.1

2000-08-21 Thread David Vessey

Just wondering if anyone here has figured out how to get an LT winmodem
to work with 'drake 7.1. I had it working with 7.0, with the driver from

linmodems.org, but the driver was compiled on 2.2.12-20, and it barely
worked with 2.2.14-15mdk.
Just wondering if anyone has an idea.
Thanks,
David Vessey






Re: [newbie] Loading the on-board NIC tulip driver

2000-08-21 Thread Brendan K Callahan


> How does one exactly 'load' this tulip.o driver? 
> I found this file buried under a bunch of subdirs.
> 
> Some YES/No Questions:
> 1- Must I be at Admin level to do this step?
Yes.  When you open the shell, type "su" and enter the root password.


If you like working with the GUI, open a shell, and type "linuxconf" at the
prompt. (See above to get into su mode).

Click on "Networking"
Click on "Basic Host Information"
Click the tab for the adaptor you want to change to tulip (Most likely adapter
1)
Under "Kernel module", activate the menu box by clicking on the down arrow, and
select "tulip", or wahtever variation you want to use.

Click "Accept", then "Quit", "Quit", and then "ACtivate the changes".  your
machine should bring the eth0 device down, reload the module, and restart the
adapter--you're good to go! :)

Brendan
Grinnell, IA, US






Re: [newbie] X setiathome

2000-08-21 Thread Austin L. Denyer (SysAdmin.) as root

Andrew Scotchmer wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone successfully installed the X setiathome screen.
> I have just downloaded the text version as I could not get the X version
> to work at all.  I am using Mandrake 7.1 now.
> 
> Thanks in advance

Hi Andrew.

I'm running Seti@Home myself.  In order to run the X version (graphics)
to work, you need the following command line:

./setiathome -graphics & ./xsetiathome

The -graphics option tells the setiathome prog to send it's output in a
format readable by the xsetiathome bit.

I also run a text-only version in another directory, i.e, two copies at
once, although the x client can only see one at a time.

Incidentally, have you tried look@seti - this enables you to see
multiple instances simultaneously - even if they are on remote
machines.  There is even an option to view a skymap showing the area
that your signals came from!

Hope that helps.

Regards,
Ozz.




Re: [newbie] Loading the on-board NIC tulip driver

2000-08-21 Thread Bill Fry

Doug,
I had difficulty myself with the drivers, but here's the basic answer.
The tulip.o module is loaded from the conf.modules file in the /etc
directory.
If you have loaded a different driver for your ethernet card (working or
not), you should see a line that looks something like this:
alias eth0 somedriver
Change that to be the tulip driver by changing the driver name to the
name of the file without the .o extension:
alias eth0 tulipdrivername

I can't remember the name off-hand, but if it's not just "tulip", it may
be "tulip_cs" or something like that.
Being PCI it should configure and run from there.
You will also have to edit the ip address, gateway, etc parameters for
it to start working, but that can be covered once you know the driver
has loaded.
As to your yes/no questions, the only one not obviously answered above
would be do you have to be root to do this.
I think here the answer is yes.  You could "su" from command line and
edit it that way, but I'm pretty sure you have to have root permissions
to write the changes to the file.
Hope that helps...
--
Bill Fry
IT Director,
Young & Roehr Group
503.222.0626


DougC wrote:

> Hello all,
> I installed 7.1 yesterday but during configuration, it
> did not list my 10/100 Linksys Ethernet card for my
> cable modem ( not a PMCIA card - just a regular card).
> Overall though,the install went generally well.
>
> Linux seems to know it's a PCI ethernet card, just not
> what kind. I skipped this portion and now I have no
> internet connection.
> I went to the linksys website and they explained that
> the on-board (already in linux) 'tulip.o' driver is
> compatible and should work.
>
> How does one exactly 'load' this tulip.o driver?
> I found this file buried under a bunch of subdirs.
>
> Some YES/No Questions:
> 1- Must I be at Admin level to do this step?
> 2- Will any command line 'screen' allow me to do this
> ?
> 3- Must I be in the subdir where the tulip.o
> file/driver is located.
> 4- Are there straight forward command to load it?
>
> If anyone can detail what I need to do I would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> FYI-I have been using the KDE interface.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Doug Conrad
>
> PII-350 96 megs ram
> ATI 8 meg video card
> Lynksys 10/100 PCI ethernet card (cable modem) IRQ9
> Has Dual Boot with boot magic/master? I forget name
> On board Crystal sound (doesn't work yet on linux)
>
> __
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> Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere!
> http://mail.yahoo.com/





[newbie] Re: Anyone tried [successfully] to get email support?

2000-08-21 Thread Bill Fry

The system is a Dell Inspiron 3200 D266XT laptop.
I've seen at least a few pages where others have installed 7.1 on the same
model and reported no similar issues, so I assume it can be done.

--
Bill Fry
IT Director,
Young & Roehr Group
503.222.0626


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> What motherboard?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Fry
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:24 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [newbie] Anyone tried [successfully] to get email support?
>
> I've been trying to get help on a Mandrake 7.1 install.
> After buying the Deluxe pack and registering it for support, I still
> can't get a response to my emails.
> Anyone had any luck here?
>
> My main problem is that the USB module usb-uhci.o fails to load.  The
> dmesg shows that it is seen, doesn't have an IRQ and then is shut down.
> There's no place that I can find to assign it an IRQ, either in software
> or in BIOS.
> I've looked on the 'net for answers, but none so far, and it's extremely
> frustrating to have paid for a package that supposedly includes support,
> but you can't even get a response out of them.
> And just try to find a customer service email address or phone number
> for Mandrake...
> --
> Bill Fry
> IT Director,
> Young & Roehr Group
> 503.222.0626





[newbie] Support?

2000-08-21 Thread DougC

Hmmm,

Is this the level of support we get?
I have a similar problem with a PCI network driver.

Though I just submitted the question I'm wondering
that same question. You're right though, where are
some direct email support numbers? I certainly
appreciate the help of individuals but the company
should provide SOME direct support.






--- Bill Fry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been trying to get help on a Mandrake 7.1
> install.
> After buying the Deluxe pack and registering it for
> support, I still
> can't get a response to my emails.
> Anyone had any luck here?
> 
> My main problem is that the USB module usb-uhci.o
> fails to load.  The
> dmesg shows that it is seen, doesn't have an IRQ and
> then is shut down.
> There's no place that I can find to assign it an
> IRQ, either in software
> or in BIOS.
> I've looked on the 'net for answers, but none so
> far, and it's extremely
> frustrating to have paid for a package that
> supposedly includes support,
> but you can't even get a response out of them.
> And just try to find a customer service email
> address or phone number
> for Mandrake...
> --
> Bill Fry
> IT Director,
> Young & Roehr Group
> 503.222.0626
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [newbie] Anyone tried [successfully] to get email support?

2000-08-21 Thread Dan O'Rourke

Tech support is evil!  It took 5 days for them to respond to my repeated
emails and requests for help.  Then they were abrupt and didn't give me a
working solution.  I mailed them back asking for another solution.  That was
6 months ago.  I'm sure I'll get my solution any day now  :-p

I'm NEVER gonna drop cash for a delux pack again!

--
>From: "Bill Fry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [newbie] Anyone tried [successfully] to get email support?
>Date: Mon, Aug 21, 2000, 5:24 PM
>

> I've been trying to get help on a Mandrake 7.1 install.
> After buying the Deluxe pack and registering it for support, I still
> can't get a response to my emails.
> Anyone had any luck here?
>
> My main problem is that the USB module usb-uhci.o fails to load.  The
> dmesg shows that it is seen, doesn't have an IRQ and then is shut down.
> There's no place that I can find to assign it an IRQ, either in software
> or in BIOS.
> I've looked on the 'net for answers, but none so far, and it's extremely
> frustrating to have paid for a package that supposedly includes support,
> but you can't even get a response out of them.
> And just try to find a customer service email address or phone number
> for Mandrake...
> --
> Bill Fry
> IT Director,
> Young & Roehr Group
> 503.222.0626
>
>
>
> 




Re: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0

2000-08-21 Thread Dan LaBine

Dear Patty; Of course you are not concerned about a MAC address. DSL
technology doesn't rely on MAC addresses to establish an ISP connection.
Only CABLEMODEM's require it. DSL is done on the phone lines, and you
require a piece of software to do it with, ie; Winpoet, PPPOE, and /or
possibly a "Dial-up" connection. That software is the way you "Log-on" to
your ISP. A MAC Address is how cablemodem providers identify their customers
from someone esle's customer. The discussion that ensued was in regards to
which piece of equipment (Network card versus cablemodem), actually contains
the MAC address that the cablemodem ISP's use.  It seems that depending on
the ISP, the MAC address is pulled from one or the other. Thats the facts!

CYA
- Original Message -
From: "Patti Wavinak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0


We have a DSL isp and it does NOT use the MAC address -- in fact when I
asked Pacbell about it they didn't even know what a MAC address was!! Go
figure!! We have 4 computers set up on our LAN...Larry's, Mine, a
router/firewall, and a file server -- a 5th one (web server) is in the
process of being built. The router/firewall does not have the original
Nic card from pacbell (it was a Kingston and linux really didn't like it)
it has a 3Com and it has an uptime of over 6 months...both Larry and I
connect to the internet with no problem. We both have Mandrake 7.1 on one
drive and Windoze on the other.

Just my $1.00 worth 

Patti
Registered Linux User 184611

>> Original Message <<

On 8/21/00, 9:07:06 AM, Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding Re: [newbie]
Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0:


> Dunno about cable but some DSL isps DO indeed use the MAC address.

> At 12:15 AM 8/21/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> > > > The first thing to remember is that you MUST use that network card !
Each
> > > network card ( No matter who built it ), has a distinct MAC ( Machine
> > Access
> > > Code )and it is how your ISP identifies your computer when you're
> > > connecting.
> >
> >Wrong there.  You can use whatever Nic that you wish.  But with a
> >cable modem, you have to use the same cable modem which has its
> >distinct MAC address not the Nic card.  Just to clarify.
> >
> >Maxtor






Re: Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT

2000-08-21 Thread Goldenpi

Did my 'if microsoft made cars' message reach the list?

- Original Message -
From: Roman Korcek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Eric MC.D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:30 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT


> Hey Eric,
> >> >> Well if 80% of the cars support it then I guess I will choose the
car
> >> >> which supports the biggest variety of tires.
>
> > Crazy, totally crazy !
> > I don't want tires used by 80% of the manufactors of cars.
> > I want GOOD tires. My live depend of them.
> > And if they are FREE, I want them certainly.
> > And I don't waithing to change them in time,
> > because they are FREE + GOOD you know ?
> > Eric MC
>
> There are free and good tires for both cars. With the windows car you
> have a wider range of tires to choose, however. I found good and free
> tires for windows and currently it is unnecessary for me to get a new
> (even if free) car and look for all the parts again because they're
> incompatible.
>
> (Only my opinion, as always.)
>
> Roman
>
>
>





RE: [newbie] Anyone tried [successfully] to get email support?

2000-08-21 Thread webmaster

What motherboard?



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Fry
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] Anyone tried [successfully] to get email support?


I've been trying to get help on a Mandrake 7.1 install.
After buying the Deluxe pack and registering it for support, I still
can't get a response to my emails.
Anyone had any luck here?

My main problem is that the USB module usb-uhci.o fails to load.  The
dmesg shows that it is seen, doesn't have an IRQ and then is shut down.
There's no place that I can find to assign it an IRQ, either in software
or in BIOS.
I've looked on the 'net for answers, but none so far, and it's extremely
frustrating to have paid for a package that supposedly includes support,
but you can't even get a response out of them.
And just try to find a customer service email address or phone number
for Mandrake...
--
Bill Fry
IT Director,
Young & Roehr Group
503.222.0626







[newbie] Loading the on-board NIC tulip driver

2000-08-21 Thread DougC

Hello all,
I installed 7.1 yesterday but during configuration, it
did not list my 10/100 Linksys Ethernet card for my
cable modem ( not a PMCIA card - just a regular card).
Overall though,the install went generally well.

Linux seems to know it's a PCI ethernet card, just not
what kind. I skipped this portion and now I have no
internet connection. 
I went to the linksys website and they explained that
the on-board (already in linux) 'tulip.o' driver is
compatible and should work.

How does one exactly 'load' this tulip.o driver? 
I found this file buried under a bunch of subdirs.

Some YES/No Questions:
1- Must I be at Admin level to do this step?
2- Will any command line 'screen' allow me to do this
? 
3- Must I be in the subdir where the tulip.o
file/driver is located.
4- Are there straight forward command to load it?

If anyone can detail what I need to do I would be
greatly appreciated. 

FYI-I have been using the KDE interface.

Thanks in advance,
Doug Conrad


PII-350 96 megs ram 
ATI 8 meg video card
Lynksys 10/100 PCI ethernet card (cable modem) IRQ9
Has Dual Boot with boot magic/master? I forget name
On board Crystal sound (doesn't work yet on linux)








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[newbie] Anyone tried [successfully] to get email support?

2000-08-21 Thread Bill Fry

I've been trying to get help on a Mandrake 7.1 install.
After buying the Deluxe pack and registering it for support, I still
can't get a response to my emails.
Anyone had any luck here?

My main problem is that the USB module usb-uhci.o fails to load.  The
dmesg shows that it is seen, doesn't have an IRQ and then is shut down.
There's no place that I can find to assign it an IRQ, either in software
or in BIOS.
I've looked on the 'net for answers, but none so far, and it's extremely
frustrating to have paid for a package that supposedly includes support,
but you can't even get a response out of them.
And just try to find a customer service email address or phone number
for Mandrake...
--
Bill Fry
IT Director,
Young & Roehr Group
503.222.0626






Re: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0

2000-08-21 Thread Patti Wavinak
 filename="text1.rtf"


Re: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0

2000-08-21 Thread Bob

Dunno about cable but some DSL isps DO indeed use the MAC address.

At 12:15 AM 8/21/00 -0400, you wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> > > The first thing to remember is that you MUST use that network card ! Each
> > network card ( No matter who built it ), has a distinct MAC ( Machine 
> Access
> > Code )and it is how your ISP identifies your computer when you're
> > connecting.
>
>Wrong there.  You can use whatever Nic that you wish.  But with a
>cable modem, you have to use the same cable modem which has its
>distinct MAC address not the Nic card.  Just to clarify.
>
>Maxtor





Re: [newbie] how about CompuServe for Linux?

2000-08-21 Thread Eric's Mandrake Account

 Wow, AmiPro, that is going back in the day. I thought they were bought by IBM
 and then they renamed the product WordPro. :)  For some reason I believe
 Applixware does do the conversion. You will have to check the website to be 
 sure though. There prices are getting kinda out of hand though.

 Eric
Subject: [newbie] how about CompuServe for Linux?
Date: Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 07:42:40AM -0600

Time to reply!

Quoting Adrian Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> with all this AOL talk, does anyone out there know if CompuServe (owned by AOL of 
>course) has a Linux software?  CS is my main email address and if the world were 
>perfect there would be a CS program that could read my current address book & email 
>folders and then life would be good.
> 
> and while i'm asking
> anyone know of a Linux word processor that can read files created in:
> Ami Pro 3.0  *.sam
> MS Works 4.5  *.wps  *.wks
> 
> StarOffice doesn't do either of these directly...  i'd have to convert the orignals 
>to RTF or something  those have been my main writing tools for years & years, and 
>since i'm a writer me gots loads of files in those formats.
> 
> oh yea...  and...
> no just kidding, i'll save that question for after i get netscape updated to the 
>latest & greatest.  maybe it will fix  =)
> 
> thanks all
> 
> 
> 
> Adrian Smith
> 'de telepone dude
> Telecom Dept.
> x 7042
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> 




Re: [newbie] laptops

2000-08-21 Thread Eric's Mandrake Acct

I have the Dell Ispirion 7000 and the KDE desktop seems to big as well. The
latop has the ATI Mobility card chip in it.  Has anyone had success increasing
the resolution to 1024x768 and above.

Eric
Subject: RE: [newbie] laptops
Date: Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 04:26:11PM -0500

Time to reply!

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > Try Dell , I have loved the way mine has performed. I have
> > Windows 98 Se and linux 6.0 running both are good working on it.
> > I have only one gripe . That is the sereen is not big enough.
> 
> That is weird.  We have Dell Inspirons here and one of the best features is
> the 15" screen.
> 
> Jon




RE: [newbie] slow telnet & ssl

2000-08-21 Thread Oliver Stieber

i'm using the ip address,
it's fine from the local machine, but vslow from anywhere else. with various
clents etc

> -Original Message-
> From: John Couturier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 21 August 2000 13:02
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] slow telnet & ssl
> 
> 
> Are you telneting with an IP address or a name?  If you are
> using just the name make sure your DNS is configured right
> or you have the pc in your /etc/hosts file.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Oliver Stieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:02:44 +0100
> 
> >it takes about 30 seconds to connect to my linux box over 
> telnet or ssl,
> >once connected every thing is quick enough though, and http 
> seems fine when
> >connecting, and outbound connections are fine.
> >
> >i've looked through the logs and can't seem to find anything 
> particular, no
> >timeouts infact no messages other that that someone has connected.
> >
> >any clues on how to sort this out or track down the problem.
> >
> >
> 




Re: [newbie] Lilo Failure

2000-08-21 Thread Michael Hatzakis


well, so Linux allocates the drive designation /dev/hdbx based on it's
read of the IDE channel.  So, Ineed to change the placement of the drive
on the cable?  So, if I correct this, then do I need to re-format/re-write
the partition table to get the drive re-asigned to /dev/hdax?

Thanks, Michael
 
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Hellmut wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> It means that /dev/hda1 would be on the first disk.
> /dev/hda is the primary channel of the first ide string (Or whatever it is
> called in English).
> /dev/hdb is the secondary channel of the first ide string.
> I don't use klilo anymore, it destroyed my lilo too...
> 
> 
> > Trying to get my system to boot from the hard drive not the floppy.  When
> > I run lilo and klilo, I get the error message:
> >
> > "Warning: /dev/hdb1 is not on the first disk"
> >
> > That does this mean exactly?
> >
> > Thanks, Michael
> >
> 
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Re: [newbie] OT BSOD (fwd, fun)

2000-08-21 Thread John Rye

Roman Korcek wrote:
> 
> Hey Patti,
> > Also, in reply to all the others in the Windoze vs Linux and tires
> > and hardware etc I just have to add my $1.00 (inflation you know) To
> > all of you who say how easy Windoze is and fast -- are you taking
> > into account all the time it takes for rebooting EVERY time you add
> > a new program? How often are you rebooting when you add a new RPM or
> > upgrade one?
> 
> You are right, but at least it works, which often isn't the case with
> Linux.
> 
> (MHO of course.)
> 
> Roman

And judging from tonights ABC news there's a new name for
Ford as well

Firestones Off-Road Disaster

GRIN!

John




Re: [newbie] OT BSOD (fwd, fun)

2000-08-21 Thread Jim Reimer

Roman Korcek wrote:
> 
> Hey Patti,
> > Also, in reply to all the others in the Windoze vs Linux and tires
> > and hardware etc I just have to add my $1.00 (inflation you know) To
> > all of you who say how easy Windoze is and fast -- are you taking
> > into account all the time it takes for rebooting EVERY time you add
> > a new program? How often are you rebooting when you add a new RPM or
> > upgrade one?
> 
> You are right, but at least it works, which often isn't the case with
> Linux.
> 
> (MHO of course.)
> 
> Roman

Oh, I don't know.  I have two machines here - one Windows and one Linux.
The Windows machine has to be rebooted every three to four days because
of memory leaks (as in poor memory management on the part of Windows).
The Linux box runs just fine from one power failure to the next
(no UPS here).

If you prefer Windows, fine.  I like both of them for different reasons,
but overall, I like Linux better (and it's gaining all the time).

-jdr-




[newbie] Thanx

2000-08-21 Thread Roman Korcek

Hi,
I am sorry that I broke many threads off without saying anything
(which I should), so please let me correct this with saying a big
THANX to all who responded to my emails.

THANX

:-)

Roman






Re[2]: [newbie] OT BSOD (fwd, fun)

2000-08-21 Thread Roman Korcek

Hey Patti,
> Also, in reply to all the others in the Windoze vs Linux and tires
> and hardware etc I just have to add my $1.00 (inflation you know) To
> all of you who say how easy Windoze is and fast -- are you taking
> into account all the time it takes for rebooting EVERY time you add
> a new program? How often are you rebooting when you add a new RPM or
> upgrade one?

You are right, but at least it works, which often isn't the case with
Linux.

(MHO of course.)

Roman






Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT

2000-08-21 Thread Roman Korcek

Hey Eric,
>> >> Well if 80% of the cars support it then I guess I will choose the car
>> >> which supports the biggest variety of tires.

> Crazy, totally crazy !
> I don't want tires used by 80% of the manufactors of cars.
> I want GOOD tires. My live depend of them.
> And if they are FREE, I want them certainly.
> And I don't waithing to change them in time,
> because they are FREE + GOOD you know ?
> Eric MC

There are free and good tires for both cars. With the windows car you
have a wider range of tires to choose, however. I found good and free
tires for windows and currently it is unnecessary for me to get a new
(even if free) car and look for all the parts again because they're
incompatible.

(Only my opinion, as always.)

Roman






Re: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0

2000-08-21 Thread markOpoleO

I went through 2 cable modems and 3 nic for my service.  The MAC is located
outside box i was told...*shrug*
I got a new cable modem cause they used a no name brand i never heard of,
got a us robotics and like it better. hehe

markOpoleO

- Original Message -
From: "Dan LaBine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0


| Nope, I'm not using your provider. But this is the first I hear of a
| cablemodem having a MAC address, too, so you could be right. It's either
an
| extra EEPROM chip in the cablemodem or some such piece of equipment if
thats
| the case. With mine, you need to contact them if you change your NIC. Then
| they scan your system, get the MAC, and your back up. Here, it's actually
| the MAC address that ID's you to them, and then they can connect you. It's
| probably the same 4 U, but as you say, the address comes from your
| cablemodem. Hmmm,..you just never know, do ya?
|
| Dan
| - Original Message -
| From: "Greg Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:36 PM
| Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0
|
|
| > > The first thing to remember is that you MUST use that network card !
| Each
| > network card ( No matter who built it ), has a distinct MAC ( Machine
| Access
| > Code )and it is how your ISP identifies your computer when you're
| > connecting.
| >
| > Are you sure this is necessary? I've changed NICs three times since I've
| > gotten my cable modem (configuration screwey-ness), and nothing
| detrimental
| > has happened to me... Actually, the MAC address that was recorded on the
| > optonline website was that of the *cable modem* not a NIC! Are you
| positive
| > it's not just a quirk of your particular cable provider? (unless you're
| with
| > optonline also.)
| >
| > --Greg
| >
| > - Original Message -
| >
| > The first thing to remember is that you MUST use that network card !
Each
| > network card ( No matter who built it ), has a distinct MAC ( Machine
| Access
| > Code ).  That code is only used on your card. It is not transferrable to
| > another card and it is how your ISP identifies your computer when you're
| > connecting. I just learned this the hard way 2 days ago. There is almost
| > nothing to configure in Mandrake. Go to Drakconf, Network Configuration,
| > find your NIC (Network Interface Card). You don't need to put anything
in
| > for Host Name + Domain, or Alias. Make sure that the "Enabled" button is
| > turned on (Pushed in), and make sure that you've selected DHCP as well.
| That
| > should do it. You can also enter your DNS numbers which you will find on
| > your ISP's web-site. If you have all of that configured, everything
should
| > be fine. Make sure that you have not enabled ADSL, PPPOE, or ISDN
anywhere
| > is Drakconf. At the worst, you may want to reboot, just to make sure
| > everything is O.K.
| >
| > That's all.
| > - Original Message -
| > From: Mifune
| > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 4:59 PM
| > Subject: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0
| >
| >
| >  Hi,
| > I have installed Linux Mandrake 7.0 on my computer.
| > I would like to configure my internetconnection using a cable modem.
| > The only information to do so that I found concerns Mandrake 6.0
| > This tells me to go to control panel, select network configuration (of
| > course),
| > and then select interfaces.
| > But the network configuration panel of Mandrake 7.0 gives me no such
| option.
| > I get the options: Basic host information, Name server specifications,
| > Routings and gateways, Host name search path, NIS, IPX interface and
| > PPP/SLP/PIP.
| > Can somebody help me?
| >
| >
| >
|

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Re: [newbie] Free ISPs Compatible With Linux

2000-08-21 Thread Lance Dow

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Seems to work differently in the UK, most "Free" ISP's cost money. i.e you
> pay a fixed rate for unmetered access, say £10 per month and are allowed to
> access what I suppose in the US you call a toll free number.

I think you're confusing two things here. To the best of my knowledge, ALL free ISPs
are actually free, i.e. you don't pay to use their service, but you pay for the
phone call to access the service.

Unmetered access is where you don't pay for the phone call. Some unmetered services
are provided free of charge, some you pay a monthly subscription.

You actually explained this towards the end of your post. Maybe you should have
started at that end :-).

Regards

Lance







[newbie] Xseti (solved)

2000-08-21 Thread Andrew Scotchmer

Hi again,

Thanks for all the help about X setiathome.  I followed the link given by
Trevor and downloaded the  necessary tar file, altered the PATH and 
off I went.

Cheers once again, 

Andrew




Re: [newbie] Re: HPT 366

2000-08-21 Thread John Couturier

Mandrake has full support for the hpt 366, I have an Abit BP6 with a Western Digital 
and a Maxtor drive attached to the hpt366 controller.  Mandrake worked out fo the box. 
 I piece of advice, if your SCSI writer is actually an IDE writer that uses the 
Generic SCSI driver support.  DO NOT PLUG IT INTO YOUR HPT366 CONTROLER, it will 
always lock up on boot if you do that.




-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:54:25 +1000

>I want to install mandrake 7.1 but not sure if i can?
>I have RedHat 6.2 but to do so i had to type in commands for it to detect
>my hard drive.
>I was told this is because i have a HPT 366 BIOS ver. 1.22  my hard drive
>is a 15Gb fireball (UDMA 66).
>
>I have tried booting off both floppy and CD but it still locks up on a
>screne with:
>
>Welcome to Linux Mandrake
>
>   Scanning ide - probe SCSI BUS.
>
>then locks up.
>I have a SCSI Burner but RedHat picked it up fine
>This also happened before redhat was installed. 
>
>Can you PLEASE HELP ME!
>thank-you very much for your time.
>Mathew Istria
>
>
>




[newbie] Kmail / Sendmail question

2000-08-21 Thread Renaud OLGIATI

I have not been able to find wether KMail uses Sendmail to process the
incoming and outgoing mail; does anyone know ?

I would like to know if putting the domain names of persistent spammers 
in /etc/hosts.deny will help when using KMail.

TIA,

Ron the Frog, on the sunny banks of the Paraguay River.

(Middle of winter, leaves falling off the trees, strawberry season in full
swing and 30 C today  ;-)

..  --   
  What I tell you three times is true.
 
  ---  http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati  ---
 




Re: [newbie] slow telnet & ssl

2000-08-21 Thread John Couturier

Are you telneting with an IP address or a name?  If you are
using just the name make sure your DNS is configured right
or you have the pc in your /etc/hosts file.




-- Original Message --
From: Oliver Stieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:02:44 +0100

>it takes about 30 seconds to connect to my linux box over telnet or ssl,
>once connected every thing is quick enough though, and http seems fine when
>connecting, and outbound connections are fine.
>
>i've looked through the logs and can't seem to find anything particular, no
>timeouts infact no messages other that that someone has connected.
>
>any clues on how to sort this out or track down the problem.
>
>




[newbie] slow telnet & ssl

2000-08-21 Thread Oliver Stieber

it takes about 30 seconds to connect to my linux box over telnet or ssl,
once connected every thing is quick enough though, and http seems fine when
connecting, and outbound connections are fine.

i've looked through the logs and can't seem to find anything particular, no
timeouts infact no messages other that that someone has connected.

any clues on how to sort this out or track down the problem.




Re: [newbie] Netscape Update ?!

2000-08-21 Thread Mark Weaver

Greg Stewart wrote:
> 
> In the past that is how it's been (occasionally--they change things around
> from time to time)... did you download a tarball from netscape?
> 
> I still haven't heard any alerts about a need to upgrade to 4.75, so I'm
> leaving it be for now. I tried NS6.0pre2 and find it unbearably
> slow...although it supports the wheely-mouse now, so I won't have to us
> imwheel.
> 
> --Greg

Greg,

The alert about 4.74 came out last week. It was about the brown orifice
thing with jpgs. Frankly I found the whole thing a bit anal...Ops!
did I say that? Sorry...it's early in the morning and I haven't had
quite enough coffee yet.

Anyway, I move up to 4.75 not because of the BO thing, but because 4.74
was so darn buggy! yesterday was the last straw when 3 times it
corrupted the mailrules file and went bazerk! drive me nuts till I
finally got so mad I configured Kmail, copied all my messeges over to
Kmail, setup the filters I needed, and THEN discovered that Kmail didn't
do threads...yet.

Then I decided to give 4.75 a try. It was either that or go back to 4.61
which I never had any troubles with and can't figure out why I even
stopped using that version.
-- 
Mark




Re: [newbie] Netscape Update ?!

2000-08-21 Thread Mark Weaver

bascule wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> i just read your post and wondered, what is ns-install? is it a install
> routine that comes with 4.75?
> 
> bascule
> 
> root wrote:
> >
> > I have Mandrake 7.0, which came with Netscape 4.7 and 40-bit
> > encryption.  I need 128, so I downloaded the current 4.75/128 from
> > Netscape and installed it using ns-install.

yes, if you grab the Netscape tarball you would untar the contents into
a temporary directory and run the install script by issuing the command
./ns-install from inside that directory.

on the other hand you can get the RPM files from http://rpmfind.net and
use kpackage logged in as root and install Netscape 4.75 that way. After
of course uninstalling the present Netscape rpm's.
-- 
Mark




Re: [newbie] GRUB bootloader question

2000-08-21 Thread Mark Weaver

Barry Premeaux wrote:
> 
> Mark Weaver wrote:
> 
> > Kathleen Dickason wrote:
> > >
> > > You can hit 'c' to bring up a command line when GRUB pops up. :)
> > >
> > > Now I just need to figure out how to add BeOS...
> > >
> >
> > thanks Kathleen...I think there's a menu file for grub that you can
> > edit. I read something about that today from the list.
> >
> > ...ok...I was looking for the grub menu.lst and I found it in
> > /usr/doc/grub-doc-0.5.94/menu.lst...rats! other than that there doesn't
> > seem to anything else in the system about grub, or how to install it.
> > That's certainly is a change cause I've grown rather used to being able
> > to find the docs necessary for just about everything with Linux right on
> > my system. This is a first.
> > --
> > Mark
> 
> I just checked and you can type 'man grub' and get the basic command info.
> If you go 'info grub', you get the installation information.
> 
> --
> Barry :-)

Hi Barry,

Yeah, I found the 'info grub' last night, but it doesn't make any sense
to me yet. I guess i'll read it again a few times till it sinks in and I
can make out how one moves from LILO to Grub...or do you just install
grub right over LILO and then Grub takes over?
-- 
Mark




Re: [newbie] Red hat installation problem

2000-08-21 Thread Mark Weaver

patrick darcy wrote:
> 
> Mark Weaver wrote:
> 
> > patrick darcy wrote:
> > >
> > > i think u need to get Mandrake 7.1 hopefully throw out your windoz and
> > > start fresh. this is the best of the best u kow. i have heard that
> > > red hat is more difficult to install.
> > >
> > > and i have a question, is mandrake the next version gonna come with
> > > koffice or  not.
> > >
> > > pat
> > >
> >
> > I wouldn't mind knowing the answer to that one myself. I tried
> > installing KDE2 on my system a about a month ago and wasn't sucessful in
> > the attempt. It didn't break anything, but I wasn't able to get it
> > working either.
> >
> > I'm waiting for the final version to come out.
> >
> > Mark
> 
> i think we should demand that Mandrake 7.2 or 8.0 or whatever they call it
> has koffice. and what about some of the bigger players in Linux promoting
> gnome. whats gonna happen to kde  :)

well now...lets see. If mandrake 7.2 is in beta now, then it'll probably
be out somwhere around say...Christmas? good heavens. I just installed
Mandrake 7.1 this past June which means this installation will only be 6
months old, and ...ah geez how do ya keep up with this stuff?

about the only reason I can think of to upgrade from 7.1 to 7.2 or 8.0
would be KDE2 - koffice. Is that a good enough reason, or do ya think we
could get those modules seperately. I hate to disturb an installation
when it's happy.
-- 
Mark




Re: [newbie] Free ISPs Compatible With Linux

2000-08-21 Thread poogle

Seems to work differently in the UK, most "Free" ISP's cost money. i.e you
pay a fixed rate for unmetered access, say £10 per month and are allowed to
access what I suppose in the US you call a toll free number.
It's very much in it's infancy here, ISP's are starting up and closing down,
then re-opening with new rules such as cut-off times after a period of
connection, no on-line gaming etc. 
I believe some of them use ads in IE but as I connect from Linux I don't
really know.
I think the main difference is in the way US & UK operate, historically we
only had British Telecom (now BT) who charged for line rental and all calls
both local and long distance, we now have 2 major ones and a number of smaller
ones. I understand (possibly incorrectly) that in the US there are a number of
telco's and the model is pay for the service and get local calls free.
Apart from AOL etc when the internet began to take off in the UK a number of
"Free" ISP's started up, the meaning of "Free" was that you didn't pay for the
service as you did with AOL, Compuserve etc, but you did pay for calls to a
local rate number. Now we have Unmetered Access which is not "Free" , with these
services you pay a fixed rate to the ISP but don't pay for the cost of the
call.  
And then there is Surftime from BT which means you pay BT a fixed fee for
unmetered access and connect through an ISP who participates in the scheme
and may or may not charge for the service.
I hope someone out there understands this  - I'm confused now 
Poogle 

On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> The key word in this discussion is "Free". Regular ISP's work just fine, but
> free one's usually require you to run a .exe that displays ads while your
> connected. And since they don't make a Linux version of those ad programs, you
> can't connect to the free ISP. 
> 
> > I dont know what all this fuss is about, unless us isps work differently
> > than uk. All I had to do was enter the phone number, username, password, dns
> > and a few other things to get both my isps going on linux. apart from aol,
> > compuserve and msn, most isps should work with linux. The isp doesn't know
> > what os is connecting to it. What is this about?
> 
> -- 
> Anthony
> http://binaryfusion.net
> Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.





Re: [newbie] Audio Devices

2000-08-21 Thread Brendan K Callahan


> Dear God,
> What does it mean you are a Jealous God?
> I thought you had everything.
God runs Microsoft products--explains a lot, doesn't it?  :)
MPMMA

> 
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> Registered  Linux  User   174403
> -=PINE 4.21+Linux Mandrake 7.1=-




Re: [newbie] Internet configuration for Mandrake 7.0

2000-08-21 Thread maxtor

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> > The first thing to remember is that you MUST use that network card ! Each
> network card ( No matter who built it ), has a distinct MAC ( Machine Access
> Code )and it is how your ISP identifies your computer when you're
> connecting.

Wrong there.  You can use whatever Nic that you wish.  But with a
cable modem, you have to use the same cable modem which has its
distinct MAC address not the Nic card.  Just to clarify.

Maxtor




Re: [newbie] ISDN setup in Mandrake 7.1

2000-08-21 Thread rpeake

Hei
Get the latest version from cooker.
Ron

Thomas Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> 
> Moi,
> 
> Does anyone have a clue to the hows of setting up an ISDN pci card, with
> Mandrake 7.1. I know that the "isdn4k-utils" is faulty, what else is? I
> would like to get this system online before classes start, so if anyone
> can help, please do.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> tcm13
> 
> 



-- 









Re: [newbie] Lilo Failure

2000-08-21 Thread Hellmut

Hi!

It means that /dev/hda1 would be on the first disk.
/dev/hda is the primary channel of the first ide string (Or whatever it is
called in English).
/dev/hdb is the secondary channel of the first ide string.
I don't use klilo anymore, it destroyed my lilo too...


> Trying to get my system to boot from the hard drive not the floppy.  When
> I run lilo and klilo, I get the error message:
>
> "Warning: /dev/hdb1 is not on the first disk"
>
> That does this mean exactly?
>
> Thanks, Michael
>

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Re: [newbie] Time

2000-08-21 Thread Aaron Lynch

Your Honor; on 8/20/00 9:28 PM, the Defendant, Tom Brinkman, confessed:

The only other thing I can think to
suggest is to try LinuxConf, Control | date and time.

BINGO!  there was a nifty little check box by the GMT option  :)

Thanks for all your help Tom!






Re: [Re: [newbie] Time]

2000-08-21 Thread Aaron Lynch

Your Honor; on 8/20/00 6:53 PM, the Defendant, Jaguar, confessed:

> Is GMT checked in one of the setup options? If so...uncheck it.
> HTH
> Jaguar
> 

Like where?
I'm not doing a new install, it's a running system.





Re: [newbie] How do i go about doing a MD7.1 install on 2nd drive

2000-08-21 Thread Tom Brinkman

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> I just got the 7.1 Inst and Ext CD in mail, I built a new computer was was
> going to get a second hardrive to put linux on and keep the other for
> windows (for games of course).  How would I got about making it so when i
> turn on computer I get a option to go into Linux or windows?  The way I
> understood it was LILO and Grub were just for Partions on 1 drive..is this
> correct or would i still use them with the seond drive?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> markOpoleO

   Not sure what you're asking ?  Lilo and grub will definitely
work with 2 or more drives.  You should look at the installation
section  http://mandrakeuser.org/install/index.html  Particularly,
"Booting GNU/Linux 
 Everything you need to know about bootloaders". 
-- 
~~   Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: [newbie] GRUB bootloader question

2000-08-21 Thread philomena


"info grub" will bring up the documentation - I found it very helpful - helped
me setup a triple boot system.

cheers,
philomena

Patti Wavinak wrote:

> You will find the grub menu.lst in Root ---> Boot > Grub  Bring it up in
> a text editor and you can edit it there.
>
> Patti
> Registered Linux User 184611
>
> >> Original Message <<
>
> On 8/20/00, 5:23:43 PM, Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding Re:
> [newbie] GRUB bootloader question:
>
> > Kathleen Dickason wrote:
> > >
> > > You can hit 'c' to bring up a command line when GRUB pops up. :)
> > >
> > > Now I just need to figure out how to add BeOS...
> > >
>
> > thanks Kathleen...I think there's a menu file for grub that you can
> > edit. I read something about that today from the list.
>
> > ...ok...I was looking for the grub menu.lst and I found it in
> > /usr/doc/grub-doc-0.5.94/menu.lst...rats! other than that there doesn't
> > seem to anything else in the system about grub, or how to install it.
> > That's certainly is a change cause I've grown rather used to being able
> > to find the docs necessary for just about everything with Linux right on
> > my system. This is a first.
> > --
> > Mark