Re: [newbie] Mandrake is losing it

2000-12-01 Thread Eunice Thompson

Kit,
Share your insights and opinions; Please.

Eunice

KompuKit wrote:
> 
> Vic...turn on your ICQ...this is kit.
> don't upgrade to 7.2...I'll explain why
> 
> Vic wrote:
> >
> > Uh oh, since it is that, I have 7.0-2
> >
> > How can I keep from losing my /home/users
> > directories? I don't have enuf
> > disks to put it all on.
> >
> > I have to keep my /home/users
> > directory I cannot reformat or
> > erase it in any way.
> >
> > On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
> >
> > > Did you upgrade from 7.x to 7.2 (which is a BAD idea)?
> > >
> > > Did you attempt to retain old 7.x home directories, which can be
> > > problematic?
> 
> --
>  Registered Linux User:167369
> <=KompuKit=>
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lowell, Mass.
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Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB

2000-12-01 Thread Eunice Thompson

Couldn't you folks who want to discuss or vent about Windows
find a Windows mailing list or better yet,
--start one.
Can we just do Linux here?
Thanks

Eunice


Mark Weaver wrote:
> 
> it is...but often you'll find that all this venting is good theropy.
> 
> --
> Mark
> 
> / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
>   * in order to get the rats up from below decks
>   * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
>   *
>   * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
>   */
> 
> <*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>
> 
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 Abraham Pinzur had this to say!
> 
> >
> > > Technically, WinME is Win98 without any trace of DOS under the
> > > covers. You
> > > won't find autoexec.bat. config.sys, or any of those files on a
> > > system with
> > > WinME preinstalled.
> >
> > *Technically*, best I can tell, WinME's relationship to DOS is no different
> > from Win95 or Win98. Take it from a guy who's wasted a lot more time
> > exploring those relationships than I want to think about...
> >
> > Basically Win9x's autoexec.bat/config.sys only affected DOS programs anyway.
> > MS chose to leave them out in the newest iteration, assuming (fairly
> > reasonably, actually) that nobody buying a new WinME computer would ever
> > even think of running a DOS program.
> >
> > However, the dirty little secret is that if you ever have to boot off of
> > WinME's rescue floppy, you're right back at the DOS prompt!
> >
> > BTW, I subscribed to this list under the impression that it was devoted to
> > an alternative OS... =)
> >
> > - Av -
> >

-- 
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[newbie] Linux Web Site

2000-12-01 Thread Jeffrey A. Morse



I wanted to share my 11 year old daughters web site 
with the group. She has a strong interest and understanding of Linux as well. 
The site was made 100% in Linux, using Gimp, Gedit, and Composer. Sign her 
guest book if you have time, she is a bit disappointed she hasn't had more 
visitors. Just a proud Dad, I guess. Check it out if you can
  
Thanks, Jeff
 
http://pages.prodigy.net/jm2713/webstuff/heatherspage.html


[newbie] KDE Desktop problems Solved

2000-12-01 Thread Dennis Myers

Just wanted to let the list know that I finally have the full kde
desktop. I decided that there must be something wrong with my home
burned disks and went online and downloaded the kdebase, kdeadmin,
kdesupport and a bunch of other libc files that weren't wanting to load
properly from rpmdrake. Voila! a desktop with icons and the big K. Now I
am impressed and will quite badmouthing the 7.2 release. It looks pretty
good so far. Time will tell, but it looks like I will be off to buy the
boxed set. 

Dennis M. registered linux user #180842




RE: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

it is...but often you'll find that all this venting is good theropy.

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 Abraham Pinzur had this to say!

> 
> > Technically, WinME is Win98 without any trace of DOS under the
> > covers. You
> > won't find autoexec.bat. config.sys, or any of those files on a
> > system with
> > WinME preinstalled.
> 
> *Technically*, best I can tell, WinME's relationship to DOS is no different
> from Win95 or Win98. Take it from a guy who's wasted a lot more time
> exploring those relationships than I want to think about...
> 
> Basically Win9x's autoexec.bat/config.sys only affected DOS programs anyway.
> MS chose to leave them out in the newest iteration, assuming (fairly
> reasonably, actually) that nobody buying a new WinME computer would ever
> even think of running a DOS program.
> 
> However, the dirty little secret is that if you ever have to boot off of
> WinME's rescue floppy, you're right back at the DOS prompt!
> 
> BTW, I subscribed to this list under the impression that it was devoted to
> an alternative OS... =)
> 
> - Av -
> 





[newbie] Linux equivalents to M$ Scandisc & Defrag on FAT32.

2000-12-01 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

Are there any equivalents to M$ Scandisc and Defrag that I can run in Linux 
on my Fat32 partition? I believe that fsck can do the former. I considered 
Wine and VMware, but I'm not sure if I'd trust my data with such methods. 
Unfortunately, I must keep such a filesystem so I can access my files on the 
rare occasions that I'm in Win2K. VMware and Explore2fs are too inconvenient 
for frequent use while I'm in Win2K, although they are very good programmes.

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan.
Your mouse has moved. Windows must be rebooted to acknowledge this change.




Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

No...No...no...you're all wrong. Windows is written in pig latin. It's the
only thing that could possibly explain its terribly slow performance,
frequent lockups and crashes, and of course who could forget the beloved
"blue screen of death" which arrives nanoseconds before you actually get
your finger on the CTRL-S keys to save your document.

damn the torpedos man and storm the Gates mansion. Hang the silly bugger
from his VisualBasic scribbling finger tips till he resites the anti-trust
laws backwards in Jappanese!

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 pablito had this to say!

> windows is written in assembly language??  Jeez, if it is, why does it take
> up so much space?  I thought it was written in compiled batch language.
> 
> : > No, Windows isn't written in VB.  Windows is written in assembly
> language.
> : >
> 
> 
> 





Re: [newbie] Mandrake with Compaq Presario 1237

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

Melanie,

It would be a real good idea if you were to disable Aurora and use
something like LILO until you get all the kinks worked out. Laptops are a
very tricky little buggers. Compaq laptops living near the top of a list
of problematic installations. The best thing you can do is keep things as
simple as possible till you get all the necessities nailed down.

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 Melanie Vida had this to say!

> Dear All,
> 
> 
>   I'm new to using unix for pc's. In fact, I've typically used UNIX
> on solaris. I love unixs' flexibility, and I learn something new everyday,
> so I try to install LINUX, Mandrake on my laptop.
>  
> I've tried many times to install linux on my compaq presario laptop model
>  1237. the most success i've had is very limited. now, I'm stuck at aurora
>  in the boot process. please point me to any useful advise.
> 
> Thanks,
>  
>  melanie
> > 
> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Anthony wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 1. is it possible to combine kmail into konquerer
> > > 
> > > As in use Kmail to send email from Konquerer? Mine is set up like that from 
> > > installation.
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > 2. what is magellan
> > > 
> > > I'm pretty sure that it is the next generation of Kmail, and is supposed to 
> > > be like Outlook for Linux. Basically it's a really good mail client that is 
> > > still in extreme beta, if it is even still being worked on.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Anthony
> > > http://binaryfusion.net
> > > Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 





Re: [newbie] Mandrake is losing it

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

John,

Out of couriosity, what kind of hardware are you running. Processor, hard
drive, motherboard, printer...that kind of stuff. I'm very curious because
a lot of the behavior you're describing sounds like hardware
incompatibilities. For instance, I've got an AMD K6 in my home PC and I'm
running Mandrake 7.1 with 64MB SDRAM. This machine is so rock solid
running Linux my maintenence requirements are almost non-existant. While
my workstation at work, which has a Celeron 500Mhz processor and 128MB
SDRAM, and a lot of Intel hardware, also running Mandrake 7.1 is very
tempormental. Heavy on the mental part. It's not a very well behaved
machine. The installations are identical.

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 John W had this to say!

> Wow I guess Mandrake has really lost sight of what Linux is. I have been 
> running 7.2 for about two weeks and have lost my Gnome desktop, tried several 
> thing to recover that to no avail. I cannot print anymore Cups seems to be 
> hosed and I cannot install the update because it is unsigned?(whatever). KDE2 
> seems to slow dramaticallyu the longer it is open. If I log out of a window 
> Manager Xserver dies and I am dropped to run level 3, maybe thats normal I 
> don't know. I wrote to Mandrake about all this and maybe releasing a stable 
> version rather than competeing with RedHat for the highest version number. 
> Their response and I qoute "We are working on a six month version and 8.0 is 
> scheduled for April." Perhaps I should go back to Debian. Being a newbie as I 
> am it is better running RH or LM as most literature is written for these 
> platforms. 
> 





Re: [newbie] Mandrake is losing it

2000-12-01 Thread KompuKit

Vic...turn on your ICQ...this is kit.
don't upgrade to 7.2...I'll explain why

Vic wrote:
> 
> Uh oh, since it is that, I have 7.0-2
> 
> How can I keep from losing my /home/users
> directories? I don't have enuf
> disks to put it all on.
> 
> I have to keep my /home/users
> directory I cannot reformat or
> erase it in any way.
> 
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
> 
> > Did you upgrade from 7.x to 7.2 (which is a BAD idea)?
> >
> > Did you attempt to retain old 7.x home directories, which can be
> > problematic?

-- 
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RE: [newbie] Mandrake is losing it

2000-12-01 Thread Vic

Uh oh, since it is that, I have 7.0-2

How can I keep from losing my /home/users
directories? I don't have enuf
disks to put it all on.

I have to keep my /home/users
directory I cannot reformat or
erase it in any way.

On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:

> Did you upgrade from 7.x to 7.2 (which is a BAD idea)?
> 
> Did you attempt to retain old 7.x home directories, which can be
> problematic?




RE: [newbie] Might be OTResume software

2000-12-01 Thread Vic

Is it possible to learn it in a week,
because that is how much time I have
to get a resume made and present it.



On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Liaw, Andy wrote:
> Learn to use TeX/LaTeX.  If you are serious in finding a decent job, don't
> rely on resume templates in word processors.
> 
> Andy
> 
> > --
> > From:   Vic[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Reply To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent:   Friday, December 01, 2000 1:25 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:[newbie] Might be OTResume software
> > 
> > Sorry about the ot message,
> > Does anyone know of a decent software
> > package that one can write a resume on?
> > 
> > I have star office 5 so that might
> > work, except I have not seen how
> > to cause it to make a resume,
> > or else I am asleep.
> > 
> > Just wondering.
> > 
> > Oh and it must be able to print
> > to an old HP Deskjet
> > no numbers or anything, just HP Deskjet
> > it is an old black and white inkjet printer.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> >




Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-01 Thread Vic

So you already tested it ??

On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, goldenpi wrote:
> m$ do not want you decompiling their apps. They have made sure you do
> not decompile their apps useing every anti-decompile trick they can.
> They will not decompile.
> 
> 
> Vic wrote:
> > 
> > Sorry to butt in
> > Is there a good reverse compiler to
> > get some source code out of ms apps so I can
> > make them run in Linux?
> > I mean make a linux binary.
> 




Re: [newbie] Might be OTResume software

2000-12-01 Thread Vic

How come klyx makes you type in one huge paragraph
and you cant add vertical spaces or indetns or
anything??



On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, michael wrote:
> Vic: Haqve you looked at Klyx?
> 
> Vic wrote:
> 
> > Whoa thanks for the warning, whew.
> >
> > I shall go snoop in some archives about LaTeX,
> > are they text or gui, either is fine I guess if
> > they work, thats what I am after, and
> > if they shall make good print to a
> > HP Deskjet.
> >
> > Thanks again
> >
> > On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Liaw, Andy wrote:
> > > Learn to use TeX/LaTeX.  If you are serious in finding a decent job, don't
> > > rely on resume templates in word processors.
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > From:   Vic[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Reply To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent:   Friday, December 01, 2000 1:25 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject:[newbie] Might be OTResume software
> > > >
> > > > Sorry about the ot message,
> > > > Does anyone know of a decent software
> > > > package that one can write a resume on?
> > > >
> > > > I have star office 5 so that might
> > > > work, except I have not seen how
> > > > to cause it to make a resume,
> > > > or else I am asleep.
> > > >
> > > > Just wondering.
> > > >
> > > > Oh and it must be able to print
> > > > to an old HP Deskjet
> > > > no numbers or anything, just HP Deskjet
> > > > it is an old black and white inkjet printer.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >




Re: [newbie] V7.2 questions!

2000-12-01 Thread eryl

On Friday 01 December 2000 11:15, you wrote:
> A friend of mine installed the download version of 7.2 on his Pentium
> machine with 64 megs of RAM and a i810 video setup. (its a 667mhz machine).
> Anyways, he has an external modem and no matter what we do, it does not
> show up under hardware configuration, even though its working fine. Also, I
> thought hardware acceleration was automatic with certain card/chipsets
> under 7.2. (including the i810). However, any games we play are dead
> slow... ;-(
>
> Any ideas? Thanks!

That's normal, external modems never show.  I think that's because externals 
are attached to the serial port, and there's no detection of serial devices 
via the ports, at least not until they are initialized.  Its NOT something to 
lose sleep over.

Can't help with the vid acceleration--don't play games so haven't had the 
need to mess with it.




Re: [newbie] Connection speed

2000-12-01 Thread Eddie Torres

Ok I guess my 2.2MBit wireless connection would be too much I guess :)

On Wednesday 29 November 2000 23:24, you wrote:
> I know! Let's come up with another category...Charles' DSL speed is
> clearly hyperobscenic and should be reduced or simply not flaunted?
> How long did it take you to d/l 7.2 charles...my bro took 20 hours!
>
> Charles A Edwards wrote:
> > How can you say that!
> >
> > I have DSL and I do not normally get better than 1300kps.
> >
> >Charles  (-:
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Dickman, Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 6:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: [newbie] Connection speed
> >
> > > Nah... Cable isn't obscenely fast... DSL is obscene!
> > >
> > > -JD-
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Roger Sherman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:01 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Connection speed
> > >
> > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Mark Weaver wrote:
> > > > Look Rog...  ;) there's no reason to rub it in. you've got a
> > > > cable connection and all you need to know is that your
> > > > connection is obscenely fast!
> > >
> > > Nyah nyah! LOL ;-p
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > peace,
> > >
> > > Rog
> > >
> > > http://www.slammingrooves.com
> > > Registered Linux user #190719

-- 
Eddie Torress
www.veloct.net




Re: [newbie] Performance...

2000-12-01 Thread Eddie Torres

On Wednesday 29 November 2000 14:02, you wrote:
> > I am running v7.2 on a 433 Mhz Celeron with 192 MB of RAM
> > which I recently upgraded from 64 MB.  There is an increase in
> > performance, but not major.  It is recognizing the RAM.  Is there
> > any configuring that I can do to increase performance?
>
> You should definately mess around a bit whith hdparm. Or if you have
> webmin, you can just adjust the settings from a nice web browser.
>
> My HD was running in PIO modus (EXTREMELY slow, even on my PIII933),
> and when I enabled DMA access, 32 bit I/O mode and read ahead, it was
> *noticable* faster.
>
> man hdparm or webmin (https://127.0.0.1:1) are your friends.
I run Enlightenment with my P3-550 with 256mb RAM and KDE2 is a little 
bit slow IMHO.  But since I don't run it much, no biggie.
-- 
Eddie Torress
www.veloct.net




Re: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list

2000-12-01 Thread pablito

that feature is not yet implemented.  So it goes...

- Original Message - 
From: xcvh sdfg 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 5:05 PM
Subject: [newbie] how do i get off this mailling list







Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com





[newbie] how do i get off this mailling list

2000-12-01 Thread xcvh sdfg
 Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com


Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-01 Thread goldenpi

m$ do not want you decompiling their apps. They have made sure you do
not decompile their apps useing every anti-decompile trick they can.
They will not decompile.


Vic wrote:
> 
> Sorry to butt in
> Is there a good reverse compiler to
> get some source code out of ms apps so I can
> make them run in Linux?
> I mean make a linux binary.
> 
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Mark Johnson wrote:
> > I just can't fathom that MS Office or IE are VB applications.  For sure the
> > NT Services are not VB apps.  ActiveX controls are C++.  The common controls
> > library are C++ too (tabs, list views, rich edit views). The Visual
> > InterDev, VB, and VC IDEs are C & C++.  The VB interpreter engine is
> > probably C++, C, and assembler.  I can't imagine building a kernel with
> > anything other than assembly or C...
> >
> > I asked this question on a MSVC developer mailing list and all the replies
> > where that the kernel OS has always been in assembler and C and recently
> > (Win98 onwards) with a little C++.
> >
> > VB is a wrapper around the Windows C API, so I just can't believe that the
> > majority of the OS and supporting native apps are written in VB...
> >
> > http://www.johnsmiley.com/visualbasic/vbhistory.htm
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mark Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 8:14 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
> >
> >
> > you guys really should do a little more research into the languages M$ has
> > used to write windows with. Since Win3.11 only the kernel has been written
> > in something other than VB. Visual BAsic (not the script). The kernel is
> > written in Assembly and M$ C++.

-- 
==
Goldenpi- programer, unreal level creator, linux user and all round
geek.
If you are reading this, I sent this mail from linux.




RE: [newbie] Mandrake is losing it

2000-12-01 Thread Jose M. Sanchez


Could it possibly be that there is something wrong with your installation,
not Mandrake?

I've run 7.2 longer than you have, on six systems varying from uni-processor
P-II's to SMP P-III's. Not a one has exhibited the problems you report.

Since others are not reporting similiar problems, logic would indicate that
this is something specific to your installation, not Mandrake itself.

Did you upgrade from 7.x to 7.2 (which is a BAD idea)?

Did you attempt to retain old 7.x home directories, which can be
problematic?

Have you tried performing recent upgrades or software installs?



-JMS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John W
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] Mandrake is losing it


Wow I guess Mandrake has really lost sight of what Linux is. I have been
running 7.2 for about two weeks and have lost my Gnome desktop, tried
several
thing to recover that to no avail. I cannot print anymore Cups seems to be
hosed and I cannot install the update because it is unsigned?(whatever).
KDE2
seems to slow dramaticallyu the longer it is open. If I log out of a window
Manager Xserver dies and I am dropped to run level 3, maybe thats normal I
don't know. I wrote to Mandrake about all this and maybe releasing a stable
version rather than competeing with RedHat for the highest version number.
Their response and I qoute "We are working on a six month version and 8.0 is
scheduled for April." Perhaps I should go back to Debian. Being a newbie as
I
am it is better running RH or LM as most literature is written for these
platforms.
--
John Wheat





RE: [newbie] Might be OTResume software

2000-12-01 Thread Vic

Whoa thanks for the warning, whew.

I shall go snoop in some archives about LaTeX,
are they text or gui, either is fine I guess if
they work, thats what I am after, and
if they shall make good print to a
HP Deskjet.

Thanks again

On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Liaw, Andy wrote:
> Learn to use TeX/LaTeX.  If you are serious in finding a decent job, don't
> rely on resume templates in word processors.
> 
> Andy
> 
> > --
> > From:   Vic[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Reply To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent:   Friday, December 01, 2000 1:25 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:[newbie] Might be OTResume software
> > 
> > Sorry about the ot message,
> > Does anyone know of a decent software
> > package that one can write a resume on?
> > 
> > I have star office 5 so that might
> > work, except I have not seen how
> > to cause it to make a resume,
> > or else I am asleep.
> > 
> > Just wondering.
> > 
> > Oh and it must be able to print
> > to an old HP Deskjet
> > no numbers or anything, just HP Deskjet
> > it is an old black and white inkjet printer.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> >




Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB

2000-12-01 Thread Spoonman

Dave DeGear wrote:
That settles it, I am never getting winme. EVER!

One small question: Does the msdos.sys file still let you add the logo=0
and bootgui=0 options?

--
It sure does. You can modify the bootgui until the cows come home. Try it
out. It's completely useless and the gui boots no matter what this is set
to. WinMe has no dos shell. Pity that, since I planned to dual boot a WinMe
machine with Linux, but Windows was a baby about it and now lives in a CD
wallet.

Wishdiak
+Ferris Saves+
www.wishdiak.com





Re: [newbie] Virus on Linux?

2000-12-01 Thread Michael R. Batchelor

>> Side note here on PMFIREWALL
>>
>> I installed it day before yesterday, ran the script.  Was very easy -
mostly
>> I accepted defaults.  Then I ran a scan on my system.  Much to my
surprise,
>> I was wide open on ALL my udp ports... Reran the setup looking for
what may


They may not be open. If you check your messages log you probably have
hundreds of DENY entry. The problem is that UDP packets don't
necessarily get a response, so no response may look open. If the port is
closed then a closed message is sent. If the port is shut down
completely then it's denied and may look open to the scanner.

MB





Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB

2000-12-01 Thread Christian A Strømmen [Number1/NumeroUno]

On Friday 01 December 2000 22:33, you wrote:
> Win Me is not just 98 with upgrades.Real time dos is gone unless you
> install a patch.In order to get to dos with Me you need a boot disk.When
> you install a program that needs the autoexec.bat or config.sys Windows ME
> will create them,then when you reboot it will make entries in the registry
> or Win Ini or System Ini and delete the autoexec and config files

No no no... Real Time dos is still there... Please listen to what we're 
saying, and check the patches (as you call them).  They've just removed the a 
couple of lines in a text-file, that isn't to remove real time dos.  And if 
you again please read what we've said about how these patches work, you'll 
see that you DO NOT NEED A BOOT DISK TO START REAL TIME DOS!!!

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Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB

2000-12-01 Thread Dale Kosan

Win Me is not just 98 with upgrades.Real time dos is gone unless you install
a patch.In order to get to dos with Me you need a boot disk.When you install
a program that needs the autoexec.bat or config.sys Windows ME will create
them,then when you reboot it will make entries in the registry or Win Ini or
System Ini and delete the autoexec and config files





Re: [newbie] cups problem

2000-12-01 Thread Till Kamppeter

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Whenever I start MD7.2 (I switch off my pc when not in use) I have to go into
> Drakconf and setup my printer - all of the settings are still there, I just
> have to go through the motions of clicking on boxes until I get to "done".
> If I forget to do this and try to print, whatever I'm trying to print from
> hangs, document/konqueror/e mail etc.
> Any ideas please ?

Can you please send me the following files:

   /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
   /etc/cups/printers.conf
   /etc/cups/ppd/*.ppd

Thank you,

   Till




Re: [newbie] X doesn't work on Trident9750 3DImage

2000-12-01 Thread Jim Thorpe

On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, you wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a PIII 800 Mboard SOYO 6VBA+133 videocard Trident9750 3D Image, 64MB
> Ram, the problem is when I try to start Xwindows,  It doesn't work on
> Trident9750 3D Image video card.
> I've been tryed to set the resolution and driver, but my video only show a
> dark screen.
> I've been installed the mandrake-linux 7 many times, but it does't work.
>
>I have the same card with 4megs. of RAM.  Normal boot comes up with 12 
overlapping screen images.

My solution is to use the safe boot option.
It works fine then.

Cheers,

Jim T.




Re: [newbie] Printing problems with Kmail and Konqueror

2000-12-01 Thread Till Kamppeter

Scott and Janet Miller wrote:
> 
> Printing to a file and viewing the output with gv displays the problems
> exactly as it's printed.

When gv displays a file exactly as it appears on the printer, CUPS,
GhostScript, and the printer driver work perfectly. The problem is in
the PostScript file which the application generated when you have used
the printing command of it. 

If you cannot adjust the output format within your KDE application, this
is a bug of the application. Also the not remembering of paper sizes and
default printers is a bug of KDE. Please report all this on
http://qa.mandrakesoft.org/

   Till




Re: [newbie] cron error message

2000-12-01 Thread Paul

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, bascule wrote:

I figured that one out.
In /etc/cron.daily there's a file called htdig-dbgen.
Just chmod -x that and it's over with the messages.

Paul

>hi,
>i am getting the message below regularly, i would be grateful if someone
>could tell me if it is serious and how i might fix it?
>
>bascule
>
>Subject: Cron  run-parts /etc/cron.daily
>X-Cron-Env: 
>X-Cron-Env: 
>X-Cron-Env: 
>X-Cron-Env: 
>X-Cron-Env: 
>Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 04:04:47 + (GMT)
>
>DB2 problem...: missing or empty key value specified
>
>
>
>

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He made so many of them!

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RE: [newbie] Is there a quick an easy t-file for setting up my Linux box on the network? cont Telnet

2000-12-01 Thread Rich Auriemma



Thank 
you so much for that little clairification.  Show's empathy and 
understanding.  ;)
 
I have 
30min available today to figure out how to do this.  heh  

 
 
Ok, 
great SMBclient is up and running.   Mission accomplished.   
So I understand I have to figure out how to mount them.  Nothing in the SMB 
man, maybe  man mount.  No nothing there.  Syntax "mount type 
device dir"   I've tried "mount ntfs mailserver c$"  and 
several variotions.  There is no example of mounting an NT network 
share.   Is there a one liner that could help here to get the NT 
shares accessable via command line or better yet through the 
GUI?
 
How 
about enabling others to telnet and ftp into the linux box.  Is there an 
easy starting point, or just man telnet?
 
 
-Rich 
Auriemma
Information Services/Development Engineer/Database 
Engineer/Security Manager/Network Babysitter
 
 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
  Behalf Of Jose M. SanchezSent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:58 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [newbie] Is 
  there a quick an easy t-file for setting up my Linux box on the 
  network?
  Instead of pouring thru the entire Samba installation and 
  documentation...
   
  Try
   
  "smbclient -L NTBOX -U USER"
   
  where   NTBOX is the name of your NT server and USER is the 
  name of the authorized user you have set up on the NT 
  machine.
   
  This 
  will produce a list of shares. If you can see them, you're set to 
  go.
   
  Then, "man smbclient" to learn how to mount the 
  shares...
   
  -JMS
   
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
  Behalf Of Rich AuriemmaSent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:02 
  PMTo: Linux Newbie (E-mail)Subject: [newbie] Is there a 
  quick an easy t-file for setting up my Linux box on the 
  network?
  Can anyone direct 
  me towards to the quickest way to figure out how to get my linux box to see my 
  WinNT shares?
   
  Same with allowing 
  telnet access into the Linux box?
   
   
  I've got the 
  network card drivers loaded and I can get on the internet through the 
  LAN..  just don't know how to see my NT boxes.
   
  I've gotten 
  suggestions like  read the man pages.  So I found at least a 100 of 
  them..  they have commands like netconf, linuxconf...  but there are 
  no descriptions next to the links.
   
  Thanks for your 
  help!
   
   


Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB

2000-12-01 Thread Dave Sherman

It appears, from the article at the following link, that MS-DOS is still 
available if you just make a few minor mods to your WinME system. I don't 
know for sure if the answer to your particular question is yes or no.

http://www.geocities.com/mfd4life_2000/

Dave

At 08:49 PM 12/01/2000 +, you wrote:
>Dave DeGear wrote:
> >
> > Quoting Dave Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > Technically, WinME is Win98 without any trace of DOS under the covers.
> > > You won't find autoexec.bat. config.sys, or any of those files on a
> > > system with WinME preinstalled. An upgraded system may still have
> >
> >   Are you saying that WinMe doesn't have the option to "Reboot to DOS 
> prompt"
> > in the Shutdown menu?  I had thought that WinMe was just Win98 with a 
> bunch of
> > upgrades included.  I haven't actually seen a copy of it so I was just
> > wondering.  I do know that Win2000 doesn't even include fdisk or the sys
> > commands.
> >
> >...Dave
>
>That settles it, I am never getting winme. EVER!
>
>One small question: Does the msdos.sys file still let you add the logo=0
>and bootgui=0 options?
>
>--
>==
>Goldenpi- programer, unreal level creator, linux user and all round
>geek.
>If you are reading this, I sent this mail from linux.

Dave Sherman
SoftServ Business Systems, Inc.

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RE: [newbie] Need xf86config help

2000-12-01 Thread Spoonman

Hmmm. Well, I'm doing a tad better with my Laptop.
I don't have that either/or problem with CD/floppy, fortunately, but I'm
doing better with my Monitor problem. I still gotta figure out a good set of
compatible specs for the TFT screen, and I know I should be happy
with800x600@16bpp. Everything else works. The thing that was giving me the
most trouble was that my graphics chip was misdetected. Make sure you have
all the documentation you can find from the manufacturer is the best advice
I can give.

--Original Message--
From: Dodd Carlton J MSgt 726 ACS/CSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 1, 2000 1:33:09 PM GMT
Subject: RE: [newbie] Need xf86config help


And I thought I was alone in this...!

I thought my problem was because I had to use "Peanut Linux" due to the
limitations of my old laptop:
P-75@90
700MB HD
40MB RAM
640x480 LCD
can only use either CD OR FDD not both, and CD-ROM drive is not bootable so
I can't do LM!

I go through XF86Setup, and set the display to 640x480 VGA, and the mode to
640x480, and everything goes fine until I startx.

Startx errors out saying that 640x480 is not a valid mode, removes it from
the list, then says there are no valid modes, so it quits.  I've looked for
an LCD setting, but the selections are limited.  This is probably an older
version of Linux.  Is there a way to add more options to the XF86Setup
monitor selection?

-Carlton

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Burden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 5:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Need xf86config help


Hey...
I'm having a similar problem with my Compaq Presario 12XL325 laptop. I just
upgraded from MK 6.0 to 7.2 and the monitor will not configure correctly. It

will work fine for the install but not with any of the GUI's. If you can get

any information, could you send it to me? If I get any info, I will send it
your way.

Thanx!

>From: Spoonman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [newbie] Need xf86config help
>Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:22:16 -0500 (EST)
>
>Hi all,
>I just upgraded from MK 6.1 to MK 7.2.
>I wasn't paying attention during the install/upgrade portion
>and did a fresh install, which wasn't so bad except...
>I'm running on a laptop.
>TOshiba Tecra 730XCDT which I had previously wrestled into 1024x768x16bpp.
>Now I can't seem to get the monitor to a higher resolution than
>640x480x8bpp.
>Anyone out there have any advice, or maybe a xf86config I can take a look
>at?
>
>Wishdiak
>+Ferris Saves+
>www.wishdiak.com
>
>


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RE: [newbie] Problem configurate network with cable modem

2000-12-01 Thread Jose M. Sanchez


Believe it or not, Linux is just as easy.

Simply enable DHCP (not dhcpd) for your eth0 interface, reboot, and you're
online!

You'll notice that your machine's name will change after the reboot.

-JMS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alex Kwan
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] Problem configurate network with cable modem


Hello,

I am having problem not knowing the proper way of setting up the cable modem
network on Mandrake. It is so much easier with Windows, all I need to do is
input the hostname and workgroup(@home), and the DHCP will take care the
rest. On the other hand, I have no idea what, where, how to put the network
information in Mandrake. All I know is using the linuxconf and put in the
hostname and dhcp, I don't even know where to put or if I should the
workgroup name(@home) or the fully qualify domain name (frml1.home.com.)

Thanks to whoever that lends a helping hand to this newbie.

Alex Kwan

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Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-01 Thread onepatrick

Mark Johnson wrote:
> 
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Benjamin Sher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:01 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux
> >
> >Bottom line: Until Linux, which is rich in thousands of applications,
> >has an equally vast and varied collection of CONSUMER applications of
> >every sort, it won't quite be ready for prime time. And this won't
> >happen till Linux is much more popular. The old chicken and egg problem:
> >no consumer applications until there is a consumer market for Linux big
> >enough to justify it, and no consumer market until there are
> >applications.
> >
> And this won't happen until it's easy enough for my mom, wife, and brother
> to use and until the elite hacker attitude subsides.


i cant imagine the elite hacker attitude ever subsiding. there will
always
be a place inlinux for hackers. yep, they have those little things
called
terminals . they dont need shells or kde's or gnomes. im starting to
think they dont even need operating systems of any kind.  but...
linux is moving to include the rest of us that dont want to be
programmers or hackers or whatever. mandrake 7.2 is very easy to use.
i bet even your mom could run it.




  Linux is still a
> paradise for coders not users..


linux will always be a paradise for coders. it it more and more a
paradise
for users too.




. However, most linux users don't care about
> running Quicken and such, for linux to win they must pull users off of
> Windows and onto linux (these are the only converts, you won't get a lot of
> MAC users to give up their OS).  The intrinsic road block of linux is the
> "cult" personality, like MAC and BSD, us folks are generally emotionally
> tied to the OS.  Most windows users couldn't give a flying flip that they
> are using Windows they just want integrated office products and the facility
> offered by those products (and to be able to run their games). 


i would agree and disagree. i know many people who wouldnt even think
of leaving windoes. i know of some that use it because its because
what most other people use. most people seem to be unaware of just
dont care that windoes would destroy them as quickly as any one else
to make a profit. its like they are brainless. that of course is my
opinion.

with the relase of kernal 2.4 i believe linux kernal stands superior
to microsofts. time will tell


They don't
> want to be system administrators, just like I don't want to be a car
> mechanic.  I want my car to work when I drive it off the lot. I will never
> upgrade the stereo or engine or interior, i'm just not interested in doing
> that.  But this isn't a morally depraved behavior, it's just the way it is.
> 
> >Meanwhile, Linux as an OS, with its great and beautiful and configurable
> >new graphical KDE and Gnome desktops
> >
> The thing is most ordinary users don't care what the OS is they care about
> the interface and how easy it is to get their job done and how easy it is to
> integrate their favorite apps.  I don't think most folks even mess with
> their Windows settings. (Just showing my wife the "Send To" mechanism in
> Explorer is like pulling teeth!) Having said that, may the gods be praised
> for the efforts of the KDE and Gnome folks but there is still much road to
> build.
> 
> The thing that should strike fear into the marrow of our bones is that if MS
> decided to build a flavor of Linux I think it would be a reasonable
> assumption that people like my mom and brother would ditch the Windows
> environment and adopt the linux platform because they don't care out the OS,



tell them about micosofts behavior to other companies. and if they dont
care what os they are using why would they care if they had linux. this
doesnt make any sense to me. i would think that many people in the
future
would want linux just because its practically free and get updated on
such
a regular basis and because there are people that want to help them with
it.
i would agree that some people just wouldnt care no matter what.

> they care about the usabilty of the products and the availablity of the
> products.  We laugh about the MS Linux website parody, but really, if MS
> ever decided to distribute a flavor of linux I believe they would give
> Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, and etc. a very hard run for their money. 


if they did that, who would buy it. the people that are happey with
windoes woundt want it and the linux community wouldnt buy it. why not.
because we know if they did that it would possibly lead to real linux
being ruined. i would never purchase microsoft linux. yuck.



 People
> would actually be willing to give their hard earned money for this new very
> stable linux distrbution version of "Windows", very few of us have probably
> given a dime to Mandrake for all their hard work. If MFC, VB, and COM was
> made available for linux you can be sure that applications would start to
> appear like crazy.
> 

i believe w

Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB

2000-12-01 Thread goldenpi

Dave Sherman wrote:
> 
> That's correct. There is no DOS prompt available, either in "reboot to..."
> form, or even just a simple DOS window.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 02:12 PM 11/30/2000 -0800, you wrote:
> >Quoting Dave Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > Technically, WinME is Win98 without any trace of DOS under the covers.
> > > You won't find autoexec.bat. config.sys, or any of those files on a
> > > system with WinME preinstalled. An upgraded system may still have
> >
> >   Are you saying that WinMe doesn't have the option to "Reboot to DOS
> > prompt"
> >in the Shutdown menu?  I had thought that WinMe was just Win98 with a
> >bunch of
> >upgrades included.  I haven't actually seen a copy of it so I was just
> >wondering.  I do know that Win2000 doesn't even include fdisk or the sys
> >commands.
> >
> >...Dave
> 
> Dave Sherman
> SoftServ Business Systems, Inc.
> 
> "Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur."

Amazeing. I thought m$ would not go to the exent of hinding dos. Perhaps
I will install it on an expendable system just to se how bad a job they
did.

-- 
==
Goldenpi- programer, unreal level creator, linux user and all round
geek.
If you are reading this, I sent this mail from linux.




Re: [newbie] Might be OTResume software

2000-12-01 Thread onepatrick

Vic wrote:
> 
> Sorry about the ot message,
> Does anyone know of a decent software
> package that one can write a resume on?
> 
> I have star office 5 so that might
> work, except I have not seen how
> to cause it to make a resume,
> or else I am asleep.
> 
> Just wondering.
> 
> Oh and it must be able to print
> to an old HP Deskjet
> no numbers or anything, just HP Deskjet
> it is an old black and white inkjet printer.
> 
> Thanks


if u have mandrake 7.2 use k-word, it goes with k-everything
else. if u dont have 7.2 i would suggest u get it :)




Re: [newbie] Video Cards

2000-12-01 Thread Tom Brinkman

On Friday 01 December 2000 02:06 pm, Kelly, Christopher wrote:
> Believe it or not, Best Buy

> "Kelly, Christopher" wrote:
> > So, I'm thinking that the Voodoo maybe my best bet...I found a 5500
> > AGP
> > $199
> If I might be so bold as to ask, where? ;-)

   Pricewatch has 'em startin at $169.  Mwave.com, one of the better 
online sources is $172.  BUT, the reason I answered is I just read 
yesterday that Voodoo 3 or 5's won't work/aren't compatible (V4's 
are/will) with mobo's that support Pentium 4 cpu's.  It's mandatory, 
specially in this age of i8 and VIA/AMD chipset boards, 
ram to thoro'ly investigate (read, move slowly) the latest 
and greatest hardware, specially video and sound (JMNSHO).  Seems 
there's problems even with low $$ hardware like the SB Live on the 
newer motherboards (and some older ones).  

   Also, I feel a need to point out since my recent criticisms of 
Nvidia an ATI video cards for use with Linux they both get much 
better reviews than the V4's and V5's in Windoze, and I suspect 
performance with Linux would be similarly affected.  
-- 
Tom Brinkman   [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay




Re: [newbie] V7.2 questions!

2000-12-01 Thread goldenpi

"Ronald J. Hall" wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine installed the download version of 7.2 on his Pentium machine
> with 64 megs of RAM and a i810 video setup. (its a 667mhz machine). Anyways, he
> has an external modem and no matter what we do, it does not show up under
> hardware configuration, even though its working fine. Also, I thought hardware
> acceleration was automatic with certain card/chipsets under 7.2. (including the
> i810). However, any games we play are dead slow... ;-(
> 
> Any ideas? Thanks!
> 
> --
> 
>/\
>Dark>\/

Doesn't the i810 chipset have a video out port? or was that the 810e?
Does it work under linux?

-- 
==
Goldenpi- programer, unreal level creator, linux user and all round
geek.
If you are reading this, I sent this mail from linux.




RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-01 Thread Vic

Sorry to butt in 
Is there a good reverse compiler to
get some source code out of ms apps so I can
make them run in Linux?
I mean make a linux binary.

On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Mark Johnson wrote:
> I just can't fathom that MS Office or IE are VB applications.  For sure the
> NT Services are not VB apps.  ActiveX controls are C++.  The common controls
> library are C++ too (tabs, list views, rich edit views). The Visual
> InterDev, VB, and VC IDEs are C & C++.  The VB interpreter engine is
> probably C++, C, and assembler.  I can't imagine building a kernel with
> anything other than assembly or C...
> 
> I asked this question on a MSVC developer mailing list and all the replies
> where that the kernel OS has always been in assembler and C and recently
> (Win98 onwards) with a little C++.
> 
> VB is a wrapper around the Windows C API, so I just can't believe that the
> majority of the OS and supporting native apps are written in VB...
> 
> http://www.johnsmiley.com/visualbasic/vbhistory.htm 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 8:14 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
> 
> 
> you guys really should do a little more research into the languages M$ has
> used to write windows with. Since Win3.11 only the kernel has been written
> in something other than VB. Visual BAsic (not the script). The kernel is
> written in Assembly and M$ C++.




[newbie] Mandrake is losing it

2000-12-01 Thread John W

Wow I guess Mandrake has really lost sight of what Linux is. I have been 
running 7.2 for about two weeks and have lost my Gnome desktop, tried several 
thing to recover that to no avail. I cannot print anymore Cups seems to be 
hosed and I cannot install the update because it is unsigned?(whatever). KDE2 
seems to slow dramaticallyu the longer it is open. If I log out of a window 
Manager Xserver dies and I am dropped to run level 3, maybe thats normal I 
don't know. I wrote to Mandrake about all this and maybe releasing a stable 
version rather than competeing with RedHat for the highest version number. 
Their response and I qoute "We are working on a six month version and 8.0 is 
scheduled for April." Perhaps I should go back to Debian. Being a newbie as I 
am it is better running RH or LM as most literature is written for these 
platforms. 
-- 
John Wheat




Re: [newbie] Software Installation

2000-12-01 Thread Dale Kosan

The file in question is for the free internet service,it will not run in
Linux,Windows only





Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB

2000-12-01 Thread Dale Kosan

Windows 2000 has it's own built in partition utility.Fat,Fat 32 and NTFS
partitions can be made,deleted and formatted.





RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Johnson

>-Original Message-
>From: Benjamin Sher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:01 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux
>
>Bottom line: Until Linux, which is rich in thousands of applications,
>has an equally vast and varied collection of CONSUMER applications of
>every sort, it won't quite be ready for prime time. And this won't
>happen till Linux is much more popular. The old chicken and egg problem:
>no consumer applications until there is a consumer market for Linux big
>enough to justify it, and no consumer market until there are
>applications.
>
And this won't happen until it's easy enough for my mom, wife, and brother
to use and until the elite hacker attitude subsides.  Linux is still a
paradise for coders not users... However, most linux users don't care about
running Quicken and such, for linux to win they must pull users off of
Windows and onto linux (these are the only converts, you won't get a lot of
MAC users to give up their OS).  The intrinsic road block of linux is the
"cult" personality, like MAC and BSD, us folks are generally emotionally
tied to the OS.  Most windows users couldn't give a flying flip that they
are using Windows they just want integrated office products and the facility
offered by those products (and to be able to run their games). They don't
want to be system administrators, just like I don't want to be a car
mechanic.  I want my car to work when I drive it off the lot. I will never
upgrade the stereo or engine or interior, i'm just not interested in doing
that.  But this isn't a morally depraved behavior, it's just the way it is.

>Meanwhile, Linux as an OS, with its great and beautiful and configurable
>new graphical KDE and Gnome desktops 
>
The thing is most ordinary users don't care what the OS is they care about
the interface and how easy it is to get their job done and how easy it is to
integrate their favorite apps.  I don't think most folks even mess with
their Windows settings. (Just showing my wife the "Send To" mechanism in
Explorer is like pulling teeth!) Having said that, may the gods be praised
for the efforts of the KDE and Gnome folks but there is still much road to
build.  

The thing that should strike fear into the marrow of our bones is that if MS
decided to build a flavor of Linux I think it would be a reasonable
assumption that people like my mom and brother would ditch the Windows
environment and adopt the linux platform because they don't care out the OS,
they care about the usabilty of the products and the availablity of the
products.  We laugh about the MS Linux website parody, but really, if MS
ever decided to distribute a flavor of linux I believe they would give
Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, and etc. a very hard run for their money.  People
would actually be willing to give their hard earned money for this new very
stable linux distrbution version of "Windows", very few of us have probably
given a dime to Mandrake for all their hard work. If MFC, VB, and COM was
made available for linux you can be sure that applications would start to
appear like crazy.

MS has enough resources and money to pull this off - it might not ever
happen - but if it did it would be a very bad thing.  All sorts of
bastardizations of perl, python, syslog, cron, you name it MS will tweak it
to lock my family into their version of linux.

>I would guess that the most important of all browsers is Mozilla because, 
>when it is completed this
>spring, it will spawn dozens of branded versions, which, while building
>on Mozilla, will add special features of their own. In other words,
>Internet Explorer will find itself faced not with one derivated, namely,
>Netscape 6 but with dozens of equally powerful (and superior) browsers
>all built on the open-source Mozilla. This will be good for the
>consumers acorss all platforms and a last laugh at Microsoft with a
>vengeance. There is already one major spinoff of Mozilla called Beonex.
>It's still not quite ready, either. But by the end of the coming year,
>IE will find itself outgunned on every front by the Mozilla browsers
>(under a variety of brands) which they themselves caused by forcing
>Netscape to go open-source. It will be sweet revenge on Microsoft.
>
I hope so, but my pessimism tells me that like the borg MS will adapt,
out-feature, and overcome...





Re: [newbie] Mandrake with Compaq Presario 1237

2000-12-01 Thread Alan Shoemaker

Melanie Vida wrote:
> Dear All,
>
>
>   I'm new to using unix for pc's. In fact, I've typically
> used UNIX on solaris. I love unixs' flexibility, and I
> learn something new everyday, so I try to install LINUX,
> Mandrake on my laptop.
>
> I've tried many times to install linux on my compaq
> presario laptop model 1237. the most success i've had is
> very limited. now, I'm stuck at aurora in the boot process.
> please point me to any useful advise.
>
> Thanks,
>
>  melanie

melaniethe next time you boot, choose linux-nonfb from 
the list instead of the default.
-- 
Alan




Re: [newbie] Network setup

2000-12-01 Thread John W

On Wednesday 29 November 2000 09:22, you wrote:
> Hello,
> I have an Addtron NIC (AEF330TX). I was looking through the list of
> supported hardware, and I did not see my card listed.  Is there any way I
> can get a "driver" (I don't know the proper Linux term) for my card, or is
> there an all-purpose "driver" that I can use?
>
> Rolando
> Windows h@x0r
> Linux newbie
> ___
>__ Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download :
> http://explorer.msn.com
 Rolando often times there is a generic chip set that the mfg. uses on itsw 
card.You may want to look at the card and see if you can ID the chip set. I 
use a D-Link but all the Linux installlers have identified it as a Via Rhine 
technologies chipset.
At worst run the LM install and hopefully it will identify the chip set.
-- 
John Wheat




[newbie] V7.2 questions!

2000-12-01 Thread Ronald J. Hall

A friend of mine installed the download version of 7.2 on his Pentium machine
with 64 megs of RAM and a i810 video setup. (its a 667mhz machine). Anyways, he
has an external modem and no matter what we do, it does not show up under
hardware configuration, even though its working fine. Also, I thought hardware
acceleration was automatic with certain card/chipsets under 7.2. (including the
i810). However, any games we play are dead slow... ;-(

Any ideas? Thanks!

-- 
 
   /\
   Dark>


RE: [newbie] Virus on Linux?

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

this is the point at which one takes a look at the ipchains howto to get a
better understanding of how ipchains work. after setting up PMfirewall
initially it would take you about five minutes to close any/all the ports
you want where udp packets are being recieved. this, of course, requires a
tiny bit of manual editing. however, it is simple enough since there are
example chains already written in the pmfirewall.rules.local file. that is
the file where thee changes/additions to ipchains are to be made.

Pmfirewall is a great way to get your firewall STARTED, but it is by no
means complete or finished after using this script to configure you
ipchains. Ipchains still requires the user to become involved and take an
active role in configuration and maintaining the firewall. thats not the
burden that it sounds like it is though. unlike ZoneAlarm where everything
is done for you, as in Guard Dog, Ipchains requires user intervention and
thereby allows much more focused control on all parts of the firewall and
requires the user to be responsible for the saftey/security of the
machine.

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 Dickman, Jeff had this to say!

> 
> Side note here on PMFIREWALL
> 
> I installed it day before yesterday, ran the script.  Was very easy - mostly
> I accepted defaults.  Then I ran a scan on my system.  Much to my surprise,
> I was wide open on ALL my udp ports... Reran the setup looking for what may
> have caused this terrible error, nothing about UDP ports...  not a good way
> to start of a relationship.
> 
> -JD-
> 





[newbie] Roger.Mark/CD burner

2000-12-01 Thread Paul

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Roger Sherman wrote:

>One small problem...I can't get the cd burner to burn :-(((
>
>That is the last remaining reason Winbitesmyass is still on my system - as
>soon as I get the CD writer writing, Winsuck is gone. And shortly, there
>will be a post to this list describing my CD-RW problems to hopefully
>facilitate that winbites butchery...

I changed the subject to something more apt...
Have you looked at http://mandrakeuser.org?
There is a lot of info on that site to get a burner going. Also on
www.linux-mandrake.com you can find quite a bunch of stuff.

Paul

-- 
God must love crazy people.
He made so many of them!

http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30





Re: [newbie] Video Cards

2000-12-01 Thread Ronald J. Hall

"Kelly, Christopher" wrote:
> 
> So, I'm thinking that the Voodoo maybe my best bet...I found a 5500 AGP for
> $199

If I might be so bold as to ask, where? ;-)

BTW, anyone know anything about the 4500? Its a lower priced alternative to the
5500, but seems to have better hardware stats than the 3000 I'm currently
using.

I don't think I can use a 5500. Its a very big card, right? I've got a desktop
case and the AGP port on my MB is smack dab in the middle, right in front of
the floppy drive... ;-(

-- 
 
   /\
   Dark>


RE: [newbie] Might be OTResume software

2000-12-01 Thread Liaw, Andy

Learn to use TeX/LaTeX.  If you are serious in finding a decent job, don't
rely on resume templates in word processors.

Andy

> --
> From: Vic[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:25 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [newbie] Might be OTResume software
> 
> Sorry about the ot message,
> Does anyone know of a decent software
> package that one can write a resume on?
> 
> I have star office 5 so that might
> work, except I have not seen how
> to cause it to make a resume,
> or else I am asleep.
> 
> Just wondering.
> 
> Oh and it must be able to print
> to an old HP Deskjet
> no numbers or anything, just HP Deskjet
> it is an old black and white inkjet printer.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 




[newbie] xinetd.conf

2000-12-01 Thread John Hart



Will someone please tell me how I can 
control sshd using the xinetd.conf file.  It looks as if it is being 
controlled elsewhere.  Some sample config files would be nice.
 
Thanks!


Re: [newbie] X doesn't work on Trident9750 3DImage

2000-12-01 Thread Marcio Garcia

Hi,

I have a PIII 800 Mboard SOYO 6VBA+133 videocard Trident9750 3D Image, 64MB
Ram, the problem is when I try to start Xwindows,  It doesn't work on
Trident9750 3D Image video card.
I've been tryed to set the resolution and driver, but my video only show a
dark screen.
I've been installed the mandrake-linux 7 many times, but it does't work.

How can I resolve this problem?

Thanks
Marcio
MelfiNet S/C Ltda
Jales - Santa Fé do Sul
0xx17 6327122 ou 6311003


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Re: [newbie] Connection speed

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

Rog,

Have you checked for a burner howto anywhere yet. I know i've seen one
although I can't remember if it was here on the list that it was mentioned
or if I saw it on my system with the rest of the howto's. 

i'll check into it though.

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 Roger Sherman had this to say!

> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Mark Weaver wrote:
> 
> > Ok Roger...you talked me into it. you burn'em and send'em and I'll send ya
> > a pair of blanks. Geez! i wish i had that kind of connection. I would love
> > to be hyper-obscene for a while.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> One small problem...I can't get the cd burner to burn :-(((
> 
> That is the last remaining reason Winbitesmyass is still on my system - as
> soon as I get the CD writer writing, Winsuck is gone. And shortly, there
> will be a post to this list describing my CD-RW problems to hopefully
> facilitate that winbites butchery...
> 
> 





[newbie] Mandrake with Compaq Presario 1237

2000-12-01 Thread Melanie Vida

Dear All,


I'm new to using unix for pc's. In fact, I've typically used UNIX
on solaris. I love unixs' flexibility, and I learn something new everyday,
so I try to install LINUX, Mandrake on my laptop.
 
I've tried many times to install linux on my compaq presario laptop model
 1237. the most success i've had is very limited. now, I'm stuck at aurora
 in the boot process. please point me to any useful advise.

Thanks,
 
 melanie
> 
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Anthony wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > 1. is it possible to combine kmail into konquerer
> > 
> > As in use Kmail to send email from Konquerer? Mine is set up like that from 
> > installation.
> > 
> > >
> > > 2. what is magellan
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure that it is the next generation of Kmail, and is supposed to 
> > be like Outlook for Linux. Basically it's a really good mail client that is 
> > still in extreme beta, if it is even still being worked on.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Anthony
> > http://binaryfusion.net
> > Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit.
> > 
> 
> 





[newbie] Problem configurate network with cable modem

2000-12-01 Thread Alex Kwan

Hello,

I am having problem not knowing the proper way of setting up the cable modem 
network on Mandrake. It is so much easier with Windows, all I need to do is 
input the hostname and workgroup(@home), and the DHCP will take care the 
rest. On the other hand, I have no idea what, where, how to put the network 
information in Mandrake. All I know is using the linuxconf and put in the 
hostname and dhcp, I don't even know where to put or if I should the 
workgroup name(@home) or the fully qualify domain name (frml1.home.com.)

Thanks to whoever that lends a helping hand to this newbie.

Alex Kwan
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Re: [newbie] Connection speed

2000-12-01 Thread Roger Sherman

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Mark Weaver wrote:

> Ok Roger...you talked me into it. you burn'em and send'em and I'll send ya
> a pair of blanks. Geez! i wish i had that kind of connection. I would love
> to be hyper-obscene for a while.
> 
> 


One small problem...I can't get the cd burner to burn :-(((

That is the last remaining reason Winbitesmyass is still on my system - as
soon as I get the CD writer writing, Winsuck is gone. And shortly, there
will be a post to this list describing my CD-RW problems to hopefully
facilitate that winbites butchery...

-- 

peace,

Rog

http://www.slammingrooves.com
Registered Linux user #190719





Re: [newbie] PPP problem

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

Steve,

have you trid setting up your dialup using kppp yet? I've tried a few
times in the past to setup and use gnome's ppp dialup without success. I
get the same problem that you're having. not sure what the trouble is
since this interface worked real good in RedHat, but doesn't seemt to work
in Mandrake.

Kppp works great though. give it a shot.

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 Steve Homer had this to say!

> Hi guys,
> 
> I've been trying to setup PPP dialup with uklinux.net and gnome-ppp, I have
> a problem after the modem connects with a "pppd died unexpectedly" message.
> Syslog says it died with Signal 15, any ideas as to what that is?
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve
> 
> 
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> Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup
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Re: [newbie] Receipt

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

no...windows is a virus with "mouse" support.

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 John Arkoulis had this to say!

> On a mailing list it is not good to ask for receipts on e-mail. Please
> do not do that. It's enough having to go through a couple of hundred
> messages everyday.
> 
> --
> Windoze is a virus with a user interface.
> This message was created with Linux
> 
> 
> 
> 





Re: [newbie] New Virus

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

AMEN

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 Gary A. Garibaldi had this to say!

> Solve all virus problems delete windows, reformat the drive and install 
> linux. No more virus.
> 





Re: [newbie] Where's sndconfig ?

2000-12-01 Thread chronos

Hi Joan,
Also when you get to the login prompt in Xwindows hit Ctrl-Alt-F2 that will
take you to a text based prompt and let you run sndconfig correctly. When you
are done type Ctrl-Alt-F7 that will take you back to your Xwindows login. Yes
this does work I did it on my mandrake box so I know for sure.
 Chronos.
Nov 2000, you wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Joan Tur wrote: >  > Hi Joan,
> 
> you can only run sndconfig as root.
> It should be in /usr/sbin/sndconfig
> 
> Paul
> 
> >I had some configuration problems, so i have installed 7.2 again.  What
> >is not working is the SB32 pnp... sndconfig is not in the path (and i
> >haven't been able to find it) and DrakConf - hardware says that /dev/dsp
> >is busy  8-?
> >
> >Note:  it's been working under this installation, but it stopped doing
> >so  8-?
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you want to know how god thinks about money
> look at the people that have it.
> 
> http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
>  Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30




Re: [newbie] gates gets linux

2000-12-01 Thread Ian Land

Sorry Mark, but that's nonsense.

I can't think of *any* MS products *written in* VB, although most of 
them are built from COM components that can be used in VB, and 
most of them support scripting via VBScript. 

Why do you think Visual C++ is not *real* C++, BTW? 

> excuse me, but only the kernel is written in ASsembly, and C++, and
> even that is M$ C++. not "real" C++. Everything else in the OS is
> written in Visual Basic. 
> 
> -- 
> Mark
> 
> / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
>   * in order to get the rats up from below decks
>   * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
>   *
>   *   REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
>   */
> 
> <*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>
> 
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 Dave Sherman had this to say!
> 
> > Actually, the Windows versions from 1.0 thru 3.11 were written in a
> > combination of C and C++. Win95 and later are pretty much all C++,
> > except some older libraries that are still around. Even Microsoft
> > isn't foolish enough to write their OS in VB -- that product is
> > marketed (in a sort of unspoken rule) for non-programmers and
> > non-professionals. Visual C++ is MS's "enterprise strength"
> > development tool.
> > 
> > Dave
> > 
> > At 06:40 PM 11/30/2000 +, you wrote:
> > >I use VB. I dont like it but it is the only gui programing thing on
> > >the school computers so I had to learn.
> > >
> > >It would seem possible to write parts of windows in VB but remember
> > >that windows came before the version of vb that would be needed.
> > >Once they started in c++ they would probably stay in it.
> > >
> > >But it is possible that small bits of windows such as the games and
> > >small utilities could be written in vb.
> > >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: Mandrake Newbie List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:38 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets linux
> > >
> > >
> > > > they haven't written anything for the windows platform as a
> > > > whole OS since window 3.1. When they left DOS/GUI win 3.1 model
> > > > and went to integrated DOS/virtual GUI model a lot was already
> > > > being written in basic and later Visual Basic.
> > > >
> > > > In windows 3.1 the OS operated much like X does in Linux. The
> > > > GUI sat on top of the OS and ran. It was a very effective and
> > > > stable manner to run. However, when they integrated DOS and made
> > > > it part if the overall OS, as in win 95 and later things began
> > > > to change...a lot.
> > > >
> > > > do a little research into the evolution of Windows and I think
> > > > you will find what I'm saying to be true.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
> > > >   * in order to get the rats up from below decks
> > > >   * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
> > > >   *
> > > >   * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
> > > >   */
> > > >
> > > > <*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 rbh had this to say!
> > > >
> > > > > I am curious to know the source of your information when you
> > > > > say most of windows is written in VB... I was under the
> > > > > impression that it was
> > >largely
> > > > > C++...
> > > > >
> > > > > rbh
> > > > > Linux User 193554
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: "Mark Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:59 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [newbie] gates gets linux
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > h...sounds a vicious rumor based on superstition and hot
> > > > > > air since most if not all of windows is written VB these
> > > > > > days and leaves little
> > >or
> > > > > > no room for real coding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > 
> > Dave Sherman
> > SoftServ Business Systems, Inc.
> > 
> > "Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur."
> > 
> > 
> 
> 




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 they outvoted me"

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RE: [newbie] Need xf86config help

2000-12-01 Thread Dodd Carlton J MSgt 726 ACS/CSG

And I thought I was alone in this...!

I thought my problem was because I had to use "Peanut Linux" due to the
limitations of my old laptop:
 P-75@90
 700MB HD
 40MB RAM
 640x480 LCD
 can only use either CD OR FDD not both, and CD-ROM drive is not bootable so
I can't do LM!

I go through XF86Setup, and set the display to 640x480 VGA, and the mode to
640x480, and everything goes fine until I startx.

Startx errors out saying that 640x480 is not a valid mode, removes it from
the list, then says there are no valid modes, so it quits.  I've looked for
an LCD setting, but the selections are limited.  This is probably an older
version of Linux.  Is there a way to add more options to the XF86Setup
monitor selection?

-Carlton

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Burden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 5:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Need xf86config help


Hey...
I'm having a similar problem with my Compaq Presario 12XL325 laptop. I just 
upgraded from MK 6.0 to 7.2 and the monitor will not configure correctly. It

will work fine for the install but not with any of the GUI's. If you can get

any information, could you send it to me? If I get any info, I will send it 
your way.

Thanx!

>From: Spoonman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [newbie] Need xf86config help
>Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:22:16 -0500 (EST)
>
>Hi all,
>I just upgraded from MK 6.1 to MK 7.2.
>I wasn't paying attention during the install/upgrade portion
>and did a fresh install, which wasn't so bad except...
>I'm running on a laptop.
>TOshiba Tecra 730XCDT which I had previously wrestled into 1024x768x16bpp.
>Now I can't seem to get the monitor to a higher resolution than
>640x480x8bpp.
>Anyone out there have any advice, or maybe a xf86config I can take a look
>at?
>
>Wishdiak
>+Ferris Saves+
>www.wishdiak.com
>
>


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Re: [newbie] DOS 6.2 question (HD size?)

2000-12-01 Thread David Raleigh Arnold

Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> 
> Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> > Thanks Alan. Well, after due consideration, and playing
> > around with my dual-boot DOS/Linux setup, I've decided to
> > undue it. I'm going to setup up my Linux 20 gig HD as the
> > primary, and use the 10 gigger as a DOS/Windows partition
> > to run stuff with Wine and as a backup space for my
> > precious Linux software...
> >
> > I've got several reasons for doing this, one of course is
> > that I'm limited to 2 gig HD's...the other is...my sound
> > card is too good. I know that sounds funny, but I've got
> > the SB Xgamer Live! which is a great card, but guess what?
> > I went to the Creative/SB web site, and there are no DOS
> > drivers for these newer cards. So all the DOS games I
> > wanted to run would have no sound (well, pc speaker but
> > ugh!). So...there ya go.
> >
> > Thanks for all your help! ;-)
> 
> RonaldHa!  Exactly the reason I only made a minimal 200
> meg partition for my DR-DOS, my sound card has no dos
> drivers!!  Good Luck!  :-)
> --
> Alan
Have you tried a vanilla sb driver from the windows list? 
Unsupported video cards work as plain vga at worst. You
also may have a 6-pin? connection to the card from the mb
enabling dos irqs for games.





RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Johnson

I just can't fathom that MS Office or IE are VB applications.  For sure the
NT Services are not VB apps.  ActiveX controls are C++.  The common controls
library are C++ too (tabs, list views, rich edit views). The Visual
InterDev, VB, and VC IDEs are C & C++.  The VB interpreter engine is
probably C++, C, and assembler.  I can't imagine building a kernel with
anything other than assembly or C...

I asked this question on a MSVC developer mailing list and all the replies
where that the kernel OS has always been in assembler and C and recently
(Win98 onwards) with a little C++.

VB is a wrapper around the Windows C API, so I just can't believe that the
majority of the OS and supporting native apps are written in VB...

http://www.johnsmiley.com/visualbasic/vbhistory.htm 

-Original Message-
From: Mark Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 8:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux


you guys really should do a little more research into the languages M$ has
used to write windows with. Since Win3.11 only the kernel has been written
in something other than VB. Visual BAsic (not the script). The kernel is
written in Assembly and M$ C++.





Re: [newbie] Need xf86config help

2000-12-01 Thread Eunice Thompson

Hi
I've got a Toshiba Satellite Pro 460CDX (P166mmx, 80 mb ram)
i've attached my XF86 file. My display is at 800x600.
hope this helps
Eunice


> >From: Spoonman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [newbie] Need xf86config help
> >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:22:16 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >Hi all,
> >I just upgraded from MK 6.1 to MK 7.2.
> >I wasn't paying attention during the install/upgrade portion
> >and did a fresh install, which wasn't so bad except...
> >I'm running on a laptop.
> >TOshiba Tecra 730XCDT which I had previously wrestled into 1024x768x16bpp.
> >Now I can't seem to get the monitor to a higher resolution than
> >640x480x8bpp.
> >Anyone out there have any advice, or maybe a xf86config I can take a look
> >at?
> >
> >Wishdiak
> >+Ferris Saves+
> >www.wishdiak.com
> >
> >
> 
> 
> _
> Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

-- 
 Eunice Thompson
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Treasurer/Community Relations
Cerritos Linux User Group
http://www.cerritoslug.org


# File generated by XFdrake.

# **
# Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of
# this file.
# **

Section "Files"

RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"

# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)
# By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of
# the X server to render fonts.

FontPath   "unix/:-1"

EndSection

# **
# Server flags section.
# **

Section "ServerFlags"

# Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is
# received.  This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may
# provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging
#NoTrapSignals

# Uncomment this to disable the  server abort sequence
# This allows clients to receive this key event.
#DontZap

# Uncomment this to disable the / mode switching
# sequences.  This allows clients to receive these key events.
#DontZoom

# This  allows  the  server  to start up even if the
# mouse device can't be opened/initialised.
AllowMouseOpenFail

EndSection

# **
# Input devices
# **

# **
# Keyboard section
# **

Section "Keyboard"

Protocol"Standard"

# when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and uncomment the
# following line
#Protocol   "Xqueue"

AutoRepeat  250 30

# Let the server do the NumLock processing.  This should only be
# required when using pre-R6 clients
#ServerNumLock

# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
#Xleds  "1 2 3"

#To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift,
#RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock:

LeftAltMeta
RightAlt   Meta
ScrollLock Compose
RightCtl   Control

# To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable.

#XkbDisable

# To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the
# lines below (which are the defaults).  For example, for a non-U.S.
# keyboard, you will probably want to use:
#XkbModel"pc102"
# If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use:
#XkbModel"microsoft"
#
# Then to change the language, change the Layout setting.
# For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
#XkbLayout   "de"
# or:
#XkbLayout   "de"
#XkbVariant  "nodeadkeys"
#
# If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and
# control keys, use:
#XkbOptions  "ctrl:swapcaps"

# These are the default XKB settings for XFree86
#XkbRules"xfree86"
#XkbModel"pc101"
#XkbLayout   "us"
#XkbVariant  ""
#XkbOptions  ""

XkbKeycodes "xfree86"
XkbTypes"default"
XkbCompat   "default"
XkbSymbols  "us(pc105)"
XkbGeometry "pc"
XkbRules"xfree86"
XkbModel"pc105"
XkbLayout   "us"

EndSection

# **
# Pointer section
# **

Section "Pointer"
Protocol"PS/2"
Device  "/dev/psaux"
Emulate3Buttons
Emulate3Timeout50

# ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice

#ChordMiddle

EndSection



# 

Re: [newbie] Connection speed

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

Ok Roger...you talked me into it. you burn'em and send'em and I'll send ya
a pair of blanks. Geez! i wish i had that kind of connection. I would love
to be hyper-obscene for a while.

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 Roger Sherman had this to say!

> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, michael wrote:
> 
> > I know! Let's come up with another category...Charles' DSL speed is clearly
> > hyperobscenic and should be reduced or simply not flaunted? How long did it take
> > you to d/l 7.2 charles...my bro took 20 hours!
> 
> 
> 
> LOL...gotta throw in my two cents here...my cable connection routinely
> gets in the neighborhood of 2000 Kps. I started a dl of 7.2 just to see
> how long it said it would take...about an hour and a half...
> 
> 
> > 
> > Charles A Edwards wrote:
> > 
> > > How can you say that!
> > >
> > > I have DSL and I do not normally get better than 1300kps.
> > >
> > >Charles  (-:
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Dickman, Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 6:23 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [newbie] Connection speed
> > >
> > > > Nah... Cable isn't obscenely fast... DSL is obscene!
> > > >
> > > > -JD-
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Roger Sherman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:01 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Connection speed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Mark Weaver wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Look Rog...  ;) there's no reason to rub it in. you've got a cable
> > > > > connection and all you need to know is that your connection is obscenely
> > > > > fast!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nyah nyah! LOL ;-p
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > peace,
> > > >
> > > > Rog
> > > >
> > > > http://www.slammingrooves.com
> > > > Registered Linux user #190719
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 





RE: [newbie] New Virus

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

what does it do?

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 gcobb had this to say!

> This is the MTX virus if I'm correct.  There are articles of this posted on
> MSNBC, MSN or one of those sites.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Sherman
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 8:28 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [newbie] New Virus
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Jon Doe wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >I got a new virus attached to an email called "test mail" from "Mailing
> > > > > Server" yesterday. Anyone else?
> > > > > -michael-
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > YES! Me too! I thought that was pretty obvious, eh? I took a
> > look inside
> > > > the zip file (wishyouwerehere.zip), and it was a file named Music.exe.
> > >
> > > Hmm, double click on that Music.exe and tell us what it does would you?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Sure...better yet, my diagnostic skills probably aren't on par with yours,
> > so how about I send it to you and you try?
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > peace,
> >
> > Rog
> >
> > http://www.slammingrooves.com
> > Registered Linux user #190719
> >
> >
> 
> 





Re: [newbie] Modem's busy

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

doesn't anyone read the friggin HCLs anymore? I can't believe how many
times folks will sit here on the list and discuss, argue, and exchange
tidbits about modems for Mandrake when there is a very clear list of
modems that "are" supported by this particular distribution of Linux.

In case there is anyone that doesn't know what an HCL is it is a Hardware
Compatibility List. At the Mandrake home page there is a link to this very
list which is named "Hardware".

In case you happen to have a "win-modem" in your machine you should do
search on the Newbie list archives for messages about this very
thing. there are links galore that can point to sites that will tell you
IF you will be able to get your win-modem to work, other sites that list
modems by manufacturer, whether or not they're a win-modem, or hardware
modem, and TONS of other stuff.

Personally I think there should be an attention message that comes
standard with every distribution of Mandrake instruction the consumer to
check the HCL to make sure their hardware is supported. I mean something
like a GIANT sticker that can't be missed.

Ok...I think I'm done ranting...thank you for listening.

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 Tom Brinkman had this to say!

> On Saturday 25 November 2000 02:30 pm, KompuKit wrote:
> > to be safe...just buy a EXTERNAL modem...
> > all of them will work.
> 
> this is just plain WRONG nonsense
> 





[newbie] FTP Server Start up and Config Help

2000-12-01 Thread Linux


I just got into Mandrake Linuke 7.2 a couple of weeks ago and have already
got the Apache Web Server and the Admin Web server up and running.  The
network is running and I can get out to the Internet.  But, I am at a loss
as to how to get FTP Server running.  AFter reading a lot, I found that
'inet" was not running and that starts alot of servers.  But, I still
cannot get into the system using FTP.  Can a kind person walk me through
the set up?

Lee Buller
IS Coordinator
Newton Medical Center






[newbie] cron error message

2000-12-01 Thread bascule

hi,
i am getting the message below regularly, i would be grateful if someone 
could tell me if it is serious and how i might fix it?

bascule

Subject: Cron  run-parts /etc/cron.daily
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 04:04:47 + (GMT)
 
DB2 problem...: missing or empty key value specified
  





Re: [newbie] Connection speed

2000-12-01 Thread Roger Sherman

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, michael wrote:

> I know! Let's come up with another category...Charles' DSL speed is clearly
> hyperobscenic and should be reduced or simply not flaunted? How long did it take
> you to d/l 7.2 charles...my bro took 20 hours!



LOL...gotta throw in my two cents here...my cable connection routinely
gets in the neighborhood of 2000 Kps. I started a dl of 7.2 just to see
how long it said it would take...about an hour and a half...


> 
> Charles A Edwards wrote:
> 
> > How can you say that!
> >
> > I have DSL and I do not normally get better than 1300kps.
> >
> >Charles  (-:
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Dickman, Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 6:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: [newbie] Connection speed
> >
> > > Nah... Cable isn't obscenely fast... DSL is obscene!
> > >
> > > -JD-
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Roger Sherman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:01 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Connection speed
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Mark Weaver wrote:
> > >
> > > > Look Rog...  ;) there's no reason to rub it in. you've got a cable
> > > > connection and all you need to know is that your connection is obscenely
> > > > fast!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Nyah nyah! LOL ;-p
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > peace,
> > >
> > > Rog
> > >
> > > http://www.slammingrooves.com
> > > Registered Linux user #190719
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 

peace,

Rog

http://www.slammingrooves.com
Registered Linux user #190719





Re: [newbie] LinCity - The Game

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

how were you able to get it to compile? No matter what I did I got
numerous compilation errors that made compiling it impossible. Is there an
RPM installation available?

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 pablito had this to say!

> I've tried playing it, but it's somewhat below the original SimCity in
> complexity.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [newbie] LinCity - The Game
> 
> 
> : Hi Adrian,
> :
> : You've heard of SimCity, right? Thats the name of the Windows Simulation
> : game where you build and manage cities and stuff. It's been around almost
> : as long as Windows itself. Anyway, there's a Linux program out there
> : called LinCity, or so I gather from the postings here on the list. I
> : haven't been able to get it going. There are some fairly severe errors in
> : the code that prevent it from being compiled.
> :
> : --
> : Mark
> :
> : / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
> :   * in order to get the rats up from below decks
> :   * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
> :   *
> :   * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
> :   */
> :
> : <*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>
> :
> : On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 Adrian Smith had this to say!
> :
> : > hi, this has no chance of helping you   =)   sorry
> : > but what is LinCity?  and where did you find it?
> : > thanks & hope you get it running
> : >
> : > Adrian Smith
> : > 'de telepone dude
> : > Telecom Dept.
> : > x 7042
> : > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> : >
> : >
> : > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4:07:55 PM 11/24/00 >>>
> : > I was messing around and I read about LinCity. Being an avid SIM fan I
> had to
> : > find it and download it. Well, Im stuck. Im using Mandrake 7.1 and when
> I try
> : > to "make xlincity" it says:
> : >
> : >
> : > [root@localhost lincity-1.11]# gmake xlincity
> : > gcc   -c main.cxx -o xmain.o -O2   -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align
> : > -Winline -DLIBDIR=\"/usr/loc
> : > al/lib/lincity\" -DLC_X11
> : > main.cxx: In function `void do_save_city()':
> : > main.cxx:693: implicit declaration of function `int strcat(...)'
> : > main.cxx: In function `void load_city_raw(char *)':
> : > main.cxx:1171: implicit declaration of function `int strncmp(...)'
> : > main.cxx: In function `void draw_save_dir(int)':
> : > main.cxx:1637: implicit declaration of function `int strncpy(...)'
> : > main.cxx:1640: implicit declaration of function `int strncat(...)'
> : > gmake: *** [xmain.o] Error 1
> : >
> : > I used the files that I downloaded right off the net. What am I doing
> wrong?
> : >
> : > Your Linux Buddy,
> : > ~Lance
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
> :
> 
> 





Re: [newbie] Installed Server programs?

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

glad I could help Dave.

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 Dave DeGear had this to say!

> > From: "Mark Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > first make sure that telnet is indeed installed on your system. at a
> > command prompt type  whereis telnet 
> 
>   I actually did an "rpm -qa |grep telnet" and it came up with the telnet
> rpm but there was no server listed.  I then installed the telnet server rpm.
> 
> > startup services in Drakeconf and make sure "inet" is selected. if it
> 
>   The "inet" wasn't selected in the startup services so I selected it.  Now
> it seems to be working fine.  Thank-you for your suggestions and help.
> 
>...Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 





RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

you guys really should do a little more research into the languages M$ has
used to write windows with. Since Win3.11 only the kernel has been written
in something other than VB. Visual BAsic (not the script). The kernel is
written in Assembly and M$ C++.

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 Rick Commo had this to say!

> --- Dave Sherman [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ---
> Actually, the Windows versions from 1.0 thru 3.11 were written in a
> combination of C and C++. Win95 and later are pretty much all C++, except
> some older libraries that are still around. Even Microsoft isn't foolish
> enough to write their OS in VB -- that product is marketed (in a sort of
> unspoken rule) for non-programmers and non-professionals. Visual C++ is
> MS's "enterprise strength" development tool.
> --
> 
> Thanks you Dave!
> 
> Finally! The first sane thing said on the thread on "Windows Written in VB"
> which somehow managed to get under this Subject line.  It's been fun
> watching this "thread" meander and the *completely* off-base remarks made
> from some people.
> 
> I try to be OS agnostic - after all it's not a religion, nor should it be.
> So I try to judge the merits of any OS on how it "treats" me and what I can
> get done with it.
> 
> At work I use Win2K.  Here at home I use Win2K, Win98 (soon to go away) and
> Linux.  My Linux experience began when I tried REDHAT a couple of years ago.
> I got it running and used it for a few weeks but eventually dropped it.
> Recently I tried Mandrake, mostly on a whim since I saw a 7.1 box in Costco
> for $25.  I really liked what I saw!!  My Linux system (HP Pavilion 3265)
> has given me some problems with freezes.  Since I was (am) a newbie I didn't
> know how to restart the X server with ctrl-alt-bs.  Therefore I probably
> rebooted the system when I didn't really have to.  I'd like to eventually
> get the sound going on it, but it may use a non-supported, on-board sound
> chip.  I will keep Linux around from now on.  For the record, I have had
> exactly one BSOD on my home system (CPQ AP200) running Win2K. More than that
> with my Win98 system, but not terribly more - but once it was just sitting
> there doing nothing when it BSOD'ed!!  As for resource usage, yes, raw Linux
> (no windowing system) can get by pretty cheaply.  Add X, KDE and the
> windowing apps and I've found that I would want a machine that is just as
> "big" as my typical Windows machine.
> 
> Let's digress for a moment.  I sift through 100/200 or message each day on
> [newbie] and [expert] and actually read a lot of them.  I am always bemused
> by the fact that there is *such* dichotomy within the Linux ranks.  On the
> one-hand various writers rave about how they want Linux to beat the bad,
> ugly giant from Redmond.  Then out of the other side of their collective
> mouths they say (when the going gets tough) hey, this is Linux - learn it
> and how your computer works!  This was especially true in the thread (could
> have been in [expert] reflector) where there was a lot of Mandrake bashing
> going on because Mandrake was trying to make it so *easy* to install Linux!
> 
> Now let's bring it back.  Personally, I enjoy the innards of computers and
> OSes, wish I know more about all of them and enjoy playing with them when I
> have the time.  But if Linux is to really compete with MSFT OSes on the
> desktop two things need to happen (1) installation has to be an absolute
> breeze and (2) there need to be easy to install apps that are in demand.
> Not just or two, but the whole panoply of the Apps space.  A vast, VAST
> majority of people don't care what's under the hood. To misquote a comment
> made to Bush (Sr.), "It's the appliance dummy!"
> 
> Painful as that is to all of us who really enjoy diving in, 95+ percent of
> users will say, "I just want to use my computer, just like I want to use my
> car."  My 84 year old father uses Win98 on an HP machine.  For the most part
> it's been stable enough for him.  I support him from 1800 miles away.  It's
> hard enough on WIn98, but I shudder to think what it would be like under
> today's Linux.  And most of the time I am so time-constrained that I want
> any OS I touch to "just work".  I get just as angry when something in Linux
> doesn't work as I do when something in an MSFT OS doesn't.  In both cases I
> just want to use the computer - to write mail, to browse or to develop.
> 
> For the most part 7.1 has been a lot of fun to use.  When I am done testing
> some ham radio communications software that a friend is developing I plan to
> upgrade to 7.2, or the first full update after 7.2.  I am also looking
> forward to trying the KDE and Gnome equivalents to Office.  Tried
> StarOffice, but really didn't like the 

Re: [newbie] gates gets linux

2000-12-01 Thread Mark Weaver

excuse me, but only the kernel is written in ASsembly, and C++, and even
that is M$ C++. not "real" C++. Everything else in the OS is written in
Visual Basic. 

-- 
Mark

/ * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
  * in order to get the rats up from below decks
  * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
  *
  * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
  */

<*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 Dave Sherman had this to say!

> Actually, the Windows versions from 1.0 thru 3.11 were written in a 
> combination of C and C++. Win95 and later are pretty much all C++, except 
> some older libraries that are still around. Even Microsoft isn't foolish 
> enough to write their OS in VB -- that product is marketed (in a sort of 
> unspoken rule) for non-programmers and non-professionals. Visual C++ is 
> MS's "enterprise strength" development tool.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 06:40 PM 11/30/2000 +, you wrote:
> >I use VB. I dont like it but it is the only gui programing thing on the
> >school computers so I had to learn.
> >
> >It would seem possible to write parts of windows in VB but remember that
> >windows came before the version of vb that would be needed. Once they
> >started in c++ they would probably stay in it.
> >
> >But it is possible that small bits of windows such as the games and small
> >utilities could be written in vb.
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Mandrake Newbie List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:38 PM
> >Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets linux
> >
> >
> > > they haven't written anything for the windows platform as a whole OS since
> > > window 3.1. When they left DOS/GUI win 3.1 model and went to integrated
> > > DOS/virtual GUI model a lot was already being written in basic and later
> > > Visual Basic.
> > >
> > > In windows 3.1 the OS operated much like X does in Linux. The GUI sat on
> > > top of the OS and ran. It was a very effective and stable manner to
> > > run. However, when they integrated DOS and made it part if the overall OS,
> > > as in win 95 and later things began to change...a lot.
> > >
> > > do a little research into the evolution of Windows and I think you will
> > > find what I'm saying to be true.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > / * Sometimes it becomes necessary to rock the boat
> > >   * in order to get the rats up from below decks
> > >   * so they can be kicked over the side and drowned!
> > >   *
> > >   * REGISTERED LINUX USER # 182496
> > >   */
> > >
> > > <*REPLY SEPERATOR*>>
> > >
> > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 rbh had this to say!
> > >
> > > > I am curious to know the source of your information when you say most of
> > > > windows is written in VB... I was under the impression that it was
> >largely
> > > > C++...
> > > >
> > > > rbh
> > > > Linux User 193554
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Mark Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:59 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [newbie] gates gets linux
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > h...sounds a vicious rumor based on superstition and hot air since
> > > > > most if not all of windows is written VB these days and leaves little
> >or
> > > > > no room for real coding.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> Dave Sherman
> SoftServ Business Systems, Inc.
> 
> "Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur."
> 
> 





[newbie] Test -- Please ignore

2000-12-01 Thread Benjamin Sher

Testing for Netscape filters.

Thank you.

Benjamin




Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux

2000-12-01 Thread Benjamin Sher

Dear friends:

I would like to add my two cents' worth to this matter of applications.

[Preliminary Note: I love Linux and especially Mandrake and have been
supporting it by purchasing its official versions since version LM 6.1
and continue to do so (in spite of Macmillain's recent LM 72/Wallmart
fiasco, which I consider a serious setback to Mandrake's professional
standards and especially reputation among newbies for whom it is meant.
Let's hope Mandrake/Macmillain never pass off a Beta as an official
version again.]

Now to the subject at hand:

Two years ago I abandoned Windows 95 for good and installed Linux Red
Hat 5.2. That was followed by Linux-Mandrake, which I have been using
ever since. I was originally hoping to never again so much as look at
Windows, and for the first year I was happily and blissfully free of it.

But then, for professional reasons (broadcasts on Windows Media Player
and Quicktime), I had no choice but to reinstall Win98 SE as part of a
dual-boot system. I added an extra hard drive for Windows and this makes
it much easier to keep the two OS's separate (using Lilo to switch back
and forth -- thank God for Lilo!). I thought that would pretty much do
it. But then a funny thing happened: we decided to invest a little money
in the stock market, and to help my wife with her research, I decided to
look for stock market analysis and research software programs. Well, I
found nothing on Linux, so I decided to to go ZDNET's software library
and see what Windows had to offer. I was astounded to discovere HUNDREDS
upon HUNDREDS of financial programs of every sort, dozens upon dozens
specializing in one aspect of stock market trading or another. I was
overwhelmed, tried out a dozen or so and settle on what I thought were
the best: SpeedResearch Browser (SRBrowse), EZStock and StockAnalyzer.
Two of the three are also free (as in beer) and the third costs only
$35.

So, now I am more attached to Windows than ever and I don't like it one
bit. Win98 SE may be better and more stable than Win95 (which was a
nightmare) but, still, it's the same old unreliable, unstable Windows
that crashes at the most inopportune times, crashing the OS along with
any "misbehaving" application. Furthermore, Windows's multitasking is a
joke. It can barely handle two or three applications at a time before
crashing. I use it only when I have to, but, as you can see, I need it
more and more. 

Bottom line: Until Linux, which is rich in thousands of applications,
has an equally vast and varied collection of CONSUMER applications of
every sort, it won't quite be ready for prime time. And this won't
happen till Linux is much more popular. The old chicken and egg problem:
no consumer applications until there is a consumer market for Linux big
enough to justify it, and no consumer market until there are
applications.

Meanwhile, Linux as an OS, with its great and beautiful and configurable
new graphical KDE and Gnome desktops (and even xfce and other
light-weight desktop for those with low-memory) and its thousands upon
thousands of applications (some for consumers, mostly for professionals)
and its reliablity, strength, superb multi-tasking, kernel 2.4 (around
the corner), wealth of browsers (yes -- Netscape 4.75, Netscape 6 --
when it is fully operational, KDE's Konqueror and, most importantly,
Mozilla (now at M18 and moving ahead fast), is catching up with (has
already caught up with?) Windows and Apple. I would guess that the most
important of all browsers is Mozilla because, when it is completed this
spring, it will spawn dozens of branded versions, which, while building
on Mozilla, will add special features of their own. In other words,
Internet Explorer will find itself faced not with one derivated, namely,
Netscape 6 but with dozens of equally powerful (and superior) browsers
all built on the open-source Mozilla. This will be good for the
consumers acorss all platforms and a last laugh at Microsoft with a
vengeance. There is already one major spinoff of Mozilla called Beonex.
It's still not quite ready, either. But by the end of the coming year,
IE will find itself outgunned on every front by the Mozilla browsers
(under a variety of brands) which they themselves caused by forcing
Netscape to go open-source. It will be sweet revenge on Microsoft.

Benjamin

P. S.

There are other critical problems as well such as winmodems (I use ADSL
along with a USRobotics 56k as a backup, but, apparently, most PC's now
come up with winmodems. Fortunately, many people are now switching to
broadband (Cable, ADSL, Wireless) and this will eventually solve this
problem. But, I imagine that the problems having to with winmodems (only
minimally solved by Linmodems, according to my readings) will remain a
major hurdle. Most ordinary people don't like to have to open up the
innards of their PC, remove their winmodem and install a regular
faxmodem, nor do they like paying someone to have it done (unless it
comes with their system in the f

Re: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB/ WinME has DOS !

2000-12-01 Thread L. H. LOO

In connection with this subject please visit the web site :
http://www.geocities.com/mfd4life_2000/
At 30-11-2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Quoting Dave Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Technically, WinME is Win98 without any trace of DOS under the covers.
> > You won't find autoexec.bat. config.sys, or any of those files on a
> > system with WinME preinstalled. An upgraded system may still have
>
>   Are you saying that WinMe doesn't have the option to "Reboot to DOS 
> prompt"
>in the Shutdown menu?  I had thought that WinMe was just Win98 with a 
>bunch of
>upgrades included.  I haven't actually seen a copy of it so I was just
>wondering.  I do know that Win2000 doesn't even include fdisk or the sys
>commands.
>
>...Dave





[newbie] XFree86 4.0.1 not cooperating

2000-12-01 Thread Tim Faehnle

I would like to get my Viper 550 AGP working with Nvidia drivers, but I need
to update XFree86.  So, I installed XFree86 4.0.1 with the RPM included with
the Mandrake disk (I used the "mandrake update" program or whatever it's
called. I think the file name was something like XFree-server-4.0.1.rpm.)
Then, I exit Xwindows and use "xf86config" to set up my stuff.  I'm positive
that all the info is right, but when I then try "startx" it fails to init
because it had an "unknown error" with the dbe module.  Is there anything
special I need to do? insmod maybe?  Am I looking at the correct
configuration file ("XF86Config", right? or is it XF86Config-4?)  Is there
more I need to install?

Any information is greatly appreciated.  Thanks very much.

Perplexed,
Tim





[newbie] video support

2000-12-01 Thread Drak



   
 
    Hello all.
I have recently installed mandrake 7.2 and after 
some searching and trying to configure things I cannot seem to find an 
appropriate driver for my gfx card.
   Here's the scenario:
abit bx6 r.2, p3 650, 246 Megs ram, one emu aps w/ 
E10k chipset, one ensoniq audio pci1371, and for the vid  a hecules(now 
nvidia? i think) terminater 128/3D "GLH" agp.
  Question:
I can get 1024x768x32 on ME and 1024x768x16 on BeOS 
(albiet its a workaround), but on the mandrake and on redhat that i have tried 
it never sees it and when I put it in as the listed card and moniter I get some 
thing that dont look to healthy if I try to go above 800x600x?  Is there 
known support for this card? I have looked in some places that were recommended 
and I couldnt find anything listed for this particular card. I believe the 
chipset is a s3 trio 3d but nothing for that either. 
 
any help, recommendations (aside from tossing the 
card) or otherwise would be greatly appreciated. 
thanx 
drak