Re: [newbie] Coffee Coaster try adapter and tea!
On Monday 26 March 2001 10:48 pm, you purportedly scrawled: > Well, I just burned a copy of Mandrake 8.0b2, and it is quite useless. Oh > it burned fine, it just doesn't run. It loads the install and freezes > solid. The only thing I can think of is it's my USB Optical Wheelmouse > (just your standard 2 button, 3 if you count the wheel click). Anyone got > any ideas / had same problems?? Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: I tried my logitec usb wheelmouse to no avail then put on the adapter and used it as a ps2 with success! -- -m-
[newbie] Coffee Coaster
Well, I just burned a copy of Mandrake 8.0b2, and it is quite useless. Oh it burned fine, it just doesn't run. It loads the install and freezes solid. The only thing I can think of is it's my USB Optical Wheelmouse (just your standard 2 button, 3 if you count the wheel click). Anyone got any ideas / had same problems??
RE: [newbie] I can't enter X
HHmmm, is there something wrong with this list,? or is PM firewall pissing me off again. Tis weird, I have been gettin heaps of mail through my server every day, just downloaded another 33, but not a single one from this list... can someone email me off the list and tell me if they got it? Frank Hauptle / / _ ---/ / (_)__ __ __ --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / -//_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ Gshop & Network Payment Solutions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stefaans Mostert Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2001 1:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] I can't enter X Miguel Gomes Domingos wrote: > > I use mandrake 7.2 and I can't enter "graphic mode" because the monitor > strats the suspend mode when I try to do it. I tried XFree86 but it only > appears the mouse pointer with a background colour, and XF86Config is not > installed. > I have a file called "XF86Config" where i can configure my monitor but I > don't know what to change on that file to put the monitor working on. So i'm > sending the file in an atachement to this letter, so someone can read it and > tell me what to change in the file. I also tried testing several monitor > types with several resolutions using Xconfigurator and none of them worked. > > Note: my monitor works perfectly in windows in a resolution of 800x600@75 HZ > with an H-Freq of 46.8 KHz and at high colour (16 bits), or in a resolution > of 1024X768@60 Hz with an H-Freq of 48.4 KHz and at high colour (16 bits). > > > Name: XF86Config >XF86ConfigType: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: quoted-printable Before you go mad and edit your files try running the following command as root #Xconfigurator You will know what to do after that,a grade 1 could use it,and it works like a charm. if not let me know and I will take you through the steps of installing it in commandline. Cheers Stefaans
[newbie] Mandrake IRC channel
On xchat there is an IRC channel called mandrake type /join #mandrake -- -m-
Re: [newbie] I can't enter X-Altoine
On Monday 26 March 2001 08:08 pm, you purportedly scrawled: > >will have to post that one later as my > daughter is demanding my attention. BRB. All hail a good daddy! -- -m-
Re: [newbie] I can't enter X
> Well, hear goes my XF86Config, XFree86.9.log and XFree86.0.log. The
> option "non-interlaced svga" at 800x600 (16 bits) makes the same that the
> others. My video card is an S3 Virge Dx/Gx.
> Now I'm receiving also an error related to the X fonts server "Could not
> init fonts path unix/:-1" and "Could not load default fonts fixed", but
> don't borrow with that because when I install
> linux again this error disapears.
>
>
> Name: XF86Config
>XF86ConfigType: unspecified type (application/octet-stream)
> Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> Name: XFree86.0.log
>XFree86.0.logType: unspecified type (application/octet-stream)
> Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> Name: XFree86.9.log
>XFree86.9.logType: unspecified type (application/octet-stream)
> Encoding: quoted-printable
You don't have to reinstall linux to fix the default fonts error. I have
a fix. Here are the many methods you can use:
/sbin/service xfs restart
or the long way;
/sbin/service xfs stop
/sbin/service xfs start
you can do another method but I will have to post that one later as my
daughter is demanding my attention. BRB.
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Re: [newbie] DHCP and LM 8.0B2 Solved
On Monday 26 March 2001 07:27 pm, you purportedly scrawled: > On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:01:21 -0800, you wrote: > >I reinstalled!!! the refuge of weinies i know, but hey it works! > > YOure lucky...I tried that, and I still can't get online (DHCP, cable > modem..). I'm hoping b3 solves my problem...hopefully it'll be out > soon. > Rog- I have reinstalled several times and each time I am asked to configure my connection I tell it cable and the first dhcpd choice and it works flawlessly > > peace, > > Rog -- -m-
[newbie] Sympatico and the D-Link 530-TX problems
I live in Quebec, Canada with high speed internet provided by Bell Sympatico. I installed Mandrake 7.2 on my PIII - 733mHz machine and my D-Link 530-TX ethernet card (supplied by Sympatico) was not detected. After a couple of reinstalls it was always the same thing with this error message when i try to configure the DSL connection: "insmod'ing module via-rhine failed at /usr/bin/perl - install /modules.pm line 479" The via-rhine i know is the correct driver, but a manual "insmod" or "modprobe" hasn't worked for me either. The card is not detected by hardrake and the configure option is not available to set it up. If you know of my problem or have a solution please get back to me coz linux is not much fun without an internet connection. THANX paul
Re: [newbie] DHCP and LM 8.0B2 Solved
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:01:21 -0800, you wrote: >I reinstalled!!! the refuge of weinies i know, but hey it works! YOure lucky...I tried that, and I still can't get online (DHCP, cable modem..). I'm hoping b3 solves my problem...hopefully it'll be out soon. > >michael wrote: > >> Hey is there a separate list for Traktopel? >> >> I installed and configured my rtl8139 with a private ip and through a >> gateway. >> Now I'm on a dhcp server with my home ISP and can't figure out what to >> do... >> linuxconf changes don't seem to work. >> -m- > > peace, Rog
[newbie] no access to cdrom and writer ?
I am running LM 8 beta 2 and can not access ether drive. I am getting errors reporting that I don't have access rights to this location. This is as both user and "root". thanks in advance for the help :-> I have checked scd0 and hdd and they are set as follows: hdd marko cdrom rw. ... ... scd0marko cdrwriterrw rw ... There is also a /dev/cdrom1 sym link to hdd with the same setup. /mnt/cdrom root root rwxrwxrwx /mnt/cdrom2 root root rwxrwxrwx Contents of ftab and mtab are as follows /dev/hda5 / ext2 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 /dev/hda8 /home reiserfs defaults 1 2 /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0 /mnt/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom2 0 0 /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount fs=vfat,dev=/dev/fd0 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat user,exec,umask=0 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 /usr ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda5 / ext2 rw 0 0 none /proc proc rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620 0 0 /dev/hda8 /home reiserfs rw 0 0 /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount rw,fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0 /mnt/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 supermount rw,fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom2 0 0 /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount rw,fs=vfat,dev=/dev/fd0 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,umask=0 0 0 /dev/hda7 /usr ext2 rw 0 0 /proc/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs rw,devmode=0664,devgid=43 0 0 automount(pid697) /net autofs rw,fd=8,pgrp=697,minproto=2,maxproto=4 0 0 automount(pid678) /misc autofs rw,fd=8,pgrp=678,minproto=2,maxproto=4 0 0
Re: [newbie] DHCP and LM 8.0B2 Solved
I reinstalled!!! the refuge of weinies i know, but hey it works! michael wrote: > Hey is there a separate list for Traktopel? > > I installed and configured my rtl8139 with a private ip and through a > gateway. > Now I'm on a dhcp server with my home ISP and can't figure out what to > do... > linuxconf changes don't seem to work. > -m-
[newbie] HP 9350i Hangs system on bootup, reboot, drive access
I just install a HP 9350i (used to have a Memorex 1622) and it has totallymessed up my 7.2.During the boot, it hangs for about 5 minutes during the mnt drives section(with or without a cd init). When I access the cd in the mnt directory after it finallystarts it locks that program up for several minutes before it shows the contents. If I turn the drive off in the bios (ide secondary) everything works fine.I have gone into config andtold it not to mnt the drive at bootup, but it still hangs up if the idesecondary is turned on.I have completely formatted the drives and reinstall 7.2 (install goesfine).It also will not shut down properly with the drive on.For whatever reason, I installed Corel Linux and it works fine with thedrive, but I prefer Mandrake's.Any ideas, suggestions, etc? Also, the drive works fine in Mandrake 8 Beta 2, but is a flaky system (hence beta, duh ;-) )Thanks in advance,Donald WrightP.S. No I don't want to give you the drive and put my 1622 back in, sodon't suggest that! :) ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.240 / Virus Database: 116 - Release Date: 3/23/2001
Re: [newbie] ESS1869 problem
try sndconfig ! On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, nick wrote: > Kernel Module : Unknown. > Bus Type : ISA > Information : This device hasn't identified by HardDrake, please send a > pnpdump output and this device ID 'ESS1869' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
RE: [newbie] traceroute for linux
On 24 Mar 2001, David Boles wrote: > Hey Mark - try this "locate tracerroute" ( no quotes ) from a command line. > Only root can run things in /usr/sbin.You will get the "command not > found" error message. you have to write the full path if u want to use it... or the simple way is.. just add to your path : /usr/sbin so now you can type directly from your console ! # traceroute bla bla bla...
[newbie] Where is artsd?
I just installed LM 7.2 followed by MandrakeFreq, and I find that artsd was not installed. Could someone please tell me which package it lives in, so that I can fix this. -- Eric Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [newbie] Dual Boot Trouble
Make sure you install Mandrake second Windows will force itself to be the only bootable partition otherwise -Original Message- From: Ammon Cooke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Dual Boot Trouble I have 2 hard drives, the first containing a Win 2K Pro installation, the second a Linux Mandrake 7.2. When I installed I put LILO on the first(windows hard drive), it supposedly would allow me to boot either Windows or Linux, but for some reason when I try to boot Windows the screen just goes blank, nothing happens, & a Ctrl+Alt+Del won't do anything. The same thing happens if I try to boot from the Win 2K Pro Install CD. Any Help is appreciated. Ammon
[newbie] Dual Boot Trouble
I have 2 hard drives, the first containing a Win 2K Pro installation, the second a Linux Mandrake 7.2. When I installed I put LILO on the first(windows hard drive), it supposedly would allow me to boot either Windows or Linux, but for some reason when I try to boot Windows the screen just goes blank, nothing happens, & a Ctrl+Alt+Del won't do anything. The same thing happens if I try to boot from the Win 2K Pro Install CD. Any Help is appreciated. Ammon
Re: [newbie] Cruddy little laptop
You could get one of those iddy bity little distros that fit on a floppy. I've tried several and muLinux is great. You can even dial up and surf the internet with lynx and do email and ng with mutt if it has a modem. You can run it from the floppy (in ram actually), but with 4 megs...hmmm. But you can install to run off of that little hdd. It even has X support with some little window managers (that I haven't got to work yet... but many have). It's the coolest thing. -s On Monday 26 March 2001 05:24 pm, you wrote: > I'm trying to get a Linux distribution on a cruddy little laptop (486 w/4 > meg RAM 200 MB HDD) and I'm having some problems. > > 1. no CD-ROM > 2. no NIC > 3. no easy method of installing Linux from floppies. > > Now I could use LOAF, but I'd like to not need a boot disk. I'm basically > looking for a cruddy little console laptop, but if I can get X to work or > something like that, that would be good.
[newbie] emailing the ifconfig file
I seem to use my computer as much remotely as I do locally. In addition, I use PPPoE to run my internet connection and there are times when it gets wonky. I was just wondering if there was a perl script or something out there that I could set in my crontab to mail me me ifconfig file every 15 minutes or so to tell me what my ip is. I also use a dynamic dns service dnsq.org, but if let's say my hotmail account got these messages, then I would know then network connection was okay. Will puting a .forward in my /root directory do the trick? Thanks jenn
RE: [newbie] Runlevel 5 question
or type teleinit 3 at konsole and you will boot into console startx will bring up the gui -Original Message- From: C. CLOSE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Runlevel 5 question Barbara Pfieffer wrote: > > > When I installed 7.1 I set it up to go to a graphical login. It works > great. But, how can I change to just logging on in a console? If I need > to that is. As always, if there is a HOW-TO or other info out there, > please point me to it. > > Barbara Dear Barbara, The simple way is to look under the shutdown menu at the graphical login. You will find access to the console mode there. Note that you may have to press carriage return once to get a login prompt but after this all you have to do is login. To start an X session from this prompt either type "startx" or init 5 to get to your normal run level. Regards, Colin Close
[newbie] Cruddy little laptop
I'm trying to get a Linux distribution on a cruddy little laptop (486 w/4 meg RAM 200 MB HDD) and I'm having some problems. 1. no CD-ROM 2. no NIC 3. no easy method of installing Linux from floppies. Now I could use LOAF, but I'd like to not need a boot disk. I'm basically looking for a cruddy little console laptop, but if I can get X to work or something like that, that would be good.
Re: [newbie]RealPlayer
marcia wrote: > > Dear All, I decided I really wanted to get the RealPlayer installed on > my Linux Mandrake 7.2 however the rpm will not install. Does anyone know > how I can install RealPlayer on LM7.2? Also, if there is another program > for Linux that will play pieces that are supposed to be for RealPlayer I > would like to know. I would not mind using something else if it works > well. > > The error message I get is just package does not exist. Any help will be > greatly appreciated. Thank you. Marcia Marcia, Download the Unix/Linux .bin version of RealPlayer from www.real.com. While logged in as root, type in: chmod u+x *.bin Press the [enter] key Then type in: ./rp8 Press the [enter] key I installed it to /usr/local/RealPlayer8 For Netscape: Check my posting from 1 - 2 weeks ago for the manual instructions on adding the MIME entries. It works. Good luck! -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293 High Powered Penguin Email
Re: [newbie] RPM Version 3 / 4 problem
On Monday 26 March 2001 13:07, you wrote: > Hi, > Im running Mandrake 7.1 and have come across a problem with the Version of > RPM I am using. > It seems many packages are now prepared using version 4 which is not > compatible with 3 > I just get an error message stating words to this effect. > Fun part is, I cant install the version 4 RPM as its packed with 4! (Or so > it seems) Anyone else come across this and solved it? > Dont know wether to uninstall this and get a tarball, any ideas please? > TIA > > Wayne. That is the sad case. RPM4 uses a different library practically guaranteed to break any flavor of 7. A new library and packaging policy went into effect with 8 so that future enhancements can always be backported if they depend on new libraries and all packages are not only rpm4 but also apt-get capable. 7.1 is a beautiful distro and one that will remain a classic for many reasons. However, do give 8 a look when it is out. And I do have an article on MandrakeForum.com (Two Mandrake Versions) explaining how to set up your machine for more than one Mandrake as separate boots with a common home space. But, no there is no workaround that has proved long-term viable using RPM4 for the rpm3 distros. Civileme QA/Software Testing MandrakesoftParis
RE: [newbie] Sound on 7.1
Disable the on-board sound in the bios. Moose -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Sparks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Sound on 7.1 I have a SoundBlaster 16 (PCI) that I am using instead of the on-board ESS Allegro for my Compaq. When I run sndconfig, it only finds the Allegro & tells me it isn't supported. How do I get the machine to see the SoundBlaster?
[newbie] Sound on 7.1
I have a SoundBlaster 16 (PCI) that I am using instead of the on-board ESS Allegro for my Compaq. When I run sndconfig, it only finds the Allegro & tells me it isn't supported. How do I get the machine to see the SoundBlaster?
Re: [newbie] RPM Version 3 / 4 problem
i don't remember the whole story with this, but i can give you the short version. mandrake does not do RPM 4 yet. stick with version 3 you can somehow force 4 to work, however the person who posted how to do this also pointed out that it will trash your system. so the point is what? =) if you want the detailed version, i'm sure someone here can provide it, or you can search the archives. unless of course, this problem has since been fixed, in which case i am totally wrong. =) Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11:07:23 AM 3/26/01 >>> Hi, Im running Mandrake 7.1 and have come across a problem with the Version of RPM I am using. It seems many packages are now prepared using version 4 which is not compatible with 3 I just get an error message stating words to this effect. Fun part is, I cant install the version 4 RPM as its packed with 4! (Or so it seems) Anyone else come across this and solved it? Dont know wether to uninstall this and get a tarball, any ideas please? TIA Wayne.
Re: [newbie] Star Office and Java woes
Thanks for those who replied to my question, will try it when I get home this evening. Dale Kosan
[newbie] RPM Version 3 / 4 problem
Hi, Im running Mandrake 7.1 and have come across a problem with the Version of RPM I am using. It seems many packages are now prepared using version 4 which is not compatible with 3 I just get an error message stating words to this effect. Fun part is, I cant install the version 4 RPM as its packed with 4! (Or so it seems) Anyone else come across this and solved it? Dont know wether to uninstall this and get a tarball, any ideas please? TIA Wayne.
Re: [newbie] Linux Mandrake 7.2
What is the spec of it? then somewon may know the answer. AGM
Re: [newbie] network services not started automatically
Hi, What is your default run-level when you boot into linux?? If my memory serves, I think that runlevels 3 and 5 start up network devices. You can check if this is so by looking in "/etc/inittab". This should then laod up all your networking devices. Does this answer your question?? Regards, Thomas Adam re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "Jeffrey P. Jolma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello. > > After logging in I am unable to use the network at > all (for email or web browsing). I get errors > saying I am unable to find the necessary servers > when I try to use netscape or an email client. I > can fix this by using DrakConf. I go to "Network > and Internet configuration" then "configure local > network" and keep pressing "ok". Then it asks me if > I want to restart the network. I click "yes" and > then click "done". From this point the network > works great. But I shouldn't have to go through > this every time I reboot. > > How can I prevent having to do this each time? > > > Thanks! > > Jeff > = Thomas Adam Linux Co-ordinator for The Purbeck School e-mail (school): [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail (yahoo) : [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] java in Konqueror web browser
I didn't have any luck getting the Sun JREs to work in Konqueror 2.1 - but once I switched to the IBM JRE v1.3, all the Java applets I've come across works! On 25 Mar 2001, at 20:37, michael wrote: > On Sunday 25 March 2001 07:23 pm, you purportedly scrawled: > > I had noticed that the java applets did not function in Konqueror at > > the nasa.gov website. I like to check the location of the > > international space station and could only do it in Netscape. So, the > > purpose of this message is that I discovered in configure konqueror > > under Konqueror Browser the java tab has a set path or type "java". > > I changed it by browsing to /usr/jre-sun1.2.2/bin/java and clicking > > ok. Now the Space station tracker shows up and gives real time > > readings. So the "java" works for some sites but not for all. If you > > have the same problem,change to the actual path to the jre file and > > see if it doesn't solve some problems. Onward and upward? > Not in my version of 8.0B2! I type whereis java and it says > usr/bin/java but there isn't even one there! > -- > -m- > >
Re: [newbie] Partition Corrupted.
On Sunday 25 March 2001 17:55, you wrote: > Thanks Civilme for the tips. > > However, when I get into rescue mode and type > > fdisk -l /dev/hda > > I get nothing but the prompt back. No error message. > When I try to mount, it doesn't give me an error, but > instead just doesn't mount anything. Yipes! What IS your configuration? get into rescue again, put a DOS-formatted floppy in the drive and # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt # dmesg > /mnt/dmesg.txt # lspci -vv > /mnt/lspci.txt # sync # umount /dev/fd0 Boot back into windows (with the floppy out) Put it back in and attach the files to an email directly to me. Civileme > > Any additional suggestions? > > Jessie B. > > --- Civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sunday 25 March 2001 13:05, you wrote: > > > I've found out that my boot partition is > > > > corrupted. I > > > > > don't know anything else beyond that, except that > > > > when > > > > > in grub I try to find vmlinuz, nothing is > > > > returned. I > > > > > can still get to my Windows side and backup all > > > > data > > > > > there. Is there anyway to get to the Linux data > > > > from > > > > > the Windows side to archive it? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jessie B. > > > > Well, slow down there, Tex. We don't need to shoot > > the disk quite yet. > > > > Try this > > > > Put in your CD and boot. When the splash screen > > appears hit F1 then type > > "rescue" (without the quotes). and hit return. When > > the rescue prompt comes > > up, do this > > > > # fdisk -l /dev/hda > > > > That will give you all of your partitions in a > > list--do you remember which > > one was root? > > > > If you do not, then do this for each partition > > > > # mount /dev/hda5 /mnt #the 5 is an example--look > > at your partition table and > ># use only those > > linux native not swap > > # cd /mnt/etc # if you do NOT get an error message, > > you have found your root > > # umount /dev/hda5 # assuming you have not found > > it go to the next > > > > Once you have found your old root partition do this > > > > # mount /dev/hda8 /mnt (You may have this mounted > > already from steps) > > # chroot mount > > # cat /etc/fstab > > You can use the output of the cat command to mount > > your other partitions. > > > > Now you can archive... You can also try to restore > > the boot with /sbin/lilo > > or the equivalent for grub. > > > > Civileme > > = > __ > Jessie L. Bonner [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Research Scientist[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Weston Geophysical508-393-4600 > > Dad, Husband, or Scientist? What do you want me to be? > ___ > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie]RealPlayer
Dear Marcia: You need to install it as root: $su root password then install it as follows: #./nameoffile.bin Then go back as user and install it as user: $realplay This will bring up the RealPlay dialogue box for you as user. I think I am right. I may be wrong since I am still using Real Player 7. The RealPlayer 8 ./bin version will install and play standalone files but won't play embedded files. RealPlayer 7 does. But due to an "rpm" installation conflict you can't install the RealPlayer 8 rpm file in Mandrake, which would play all files. Just wait a few weeks and Mandrake 8.0 will be out. Then you can install RealPlayer 8 and have everything. Yours, Benjamin P. S. Unfortunately, there is no way to get your hands on RealPlayer 7. -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
