[newbie] Re: eth0 timing out

[Ray Booysen]

If I press ctrl-f12 and I read there, it says that my network card has timed
out.  I can't see the network either.  What do you think is the problem

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Re: [newbie] fsck

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

I was referring to the partition that the kernel is on. The kernel can't be 
read without its partition being mounted in some kind of way. As Tom 
suggested, I think the partition is mounted read-only at first and then 
mounted read-write after the kernel is loaded and fscks (if any) are done.

On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:51, etharp wrote:
> ehh,,, the kernel is read into memory, then the disk unmounted?
>
> On Wednesday 15 August 2001 11:02, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> > Good question. You've gotten me wondering about that too. If you wanted
> > to do it manually I would assume that you would have to boot from (or
> > chroot to) another filesystem (like a CD or floppy). How do fscks work on
> > boot? When an fsck is needed at bootup, it is run _before_ the partiton
> > is mounted.
> >
> > This brings up another question. How is the kernel loaded when the
> > filesystem it is on hasn't been mounted yet? I assume that the principle
> > would be the same as with the fsck situation above. This question doesn't
> > only apply to Linux, but to all kernels.
> >
> > Hmmm...
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:50, Paul wrote:
> > > It was Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:07:56 +1000 when Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> > >
> > > One small question then: how would you go about fsck-ing the partition
> > > that has the fsck binary on it? You can't run it when it is not
> > > mounted, and you can't run it when it's mounted.
> > > Would cp-ing the program be the solution?
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > >> The procedure I gave, and for which I believe the question
> > > >> conserned, was to be used during boot when the auto fsck is unable
> > > >> to complete and the sysetm request that a manual fsck be run.
> > > >> If run at this time no partition has has yet been mounted so using
> > > >> an unmount command would be pointless and unnecessary.
> > > >
> > > >Very true. I just thought I should add that disclaimer just in case
> > > > someone wanted to fsck a mounted filesystem :-)
>
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Re: [newbie] fsck

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:22, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 August 2001 10:02 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> > Good question. You've gotten me wondering about that too. If you
> > wanted to do it manually I would assume that you would have to boot
> > from (or chroot to) another filesystem (like a CD or floppy). How do
> > fscks work on boot? When an fsck is needed at bootup, it is run
> > _before_ the partiton is mounted.
>
>   I believe the answer might be fsck is run on mounted partitions.
> They're just mounted read only.  BUT I don't really know, and I haven't
> used ext2 or need e2fsck on any partitions for a long time. Still it's
> a good question and sure made me curious.

Come to think of it, I think this may be the answer. This would be the reason 
why you should set your bootloader to mount the partition with /boot (i.e. 
with the kernel) as read-only. If you view your kernel messages at boot, it 
will initially say that it is mounting read-only. After the kernel is loaded 
and the fscks (if any) done, the partitions are mounted read-write (if 
specified in /etc/fstab).

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[newbie] disk information

[dic98]

Looking in the "detailed system information" part of the GNOME system
information monitoring software, I see some things under "disk information" that
I don't completely understand.  Here's a rundown of all the info:

1.  Mount point: /
/dev/hdc1
type ext2
3,189 MB, 2,564 free (2,726 superuser)
415,168 inodes, 390,113 free

 - okay, I know that's my root partition from when I ran diskdrake way back
when.  my questions here are: what's the significance of the superuser
distinction in the memory sizes?  what are inodes?  i kept up with the ext2 vs
reiser debate and i think i'd like to switch to reiser, how do i do that?

2.  Mount point: /proc
device none
type proc
no information for this filesystem

- what's up?  im clueless.  what's proc and why is it its own filesystem type? 
why is there no information?

3.  Moint poing: /dev/pts
device none
type devpts
no information

- same questions as #2, just substitute devpts for proc in the question.

4.  Mount point: /home
/dev/hdc7
ext2
10,828 MB, 10,196 free (10,747 superuser)
1,409.024 inodes, 1,401,348 free

- is it just me or is this a MASSIVE waste of space?  shouldnt this thing be
shrunk way down?  i wont ask the superuser question or inode questions again,
just left the numbers in there in case they would matter for someone who
actually knows what theyre talking about.  oh, and why is the superuser free
number bigger than the regular free one?

5.  Mount point: /mnt/windows
/dev/hdd1 (i've gotten in the habit of calling this one "h diddy", as in, "hey
mom make sure to boot to 'h diddy' because ive got to write down a website from
my ie favorites)
vfat
29,299 MB, 19,780 free (19,780 superuser)
0 inodes, 0 free

- what does superuser mean in a windows context?  and hey, "dude, wheres my inodes?"

6.  Mount point: /usr
/dev/hdc6
ext2
4,921 MB, 1,885 free (2,135 superuser)
640,000 inodes, 486,348 free
- dammit why'd i make this so small... this should be way bigger right?  i'm
planning a repartitioning party, see my next email for details.  quick question
on this one: why are these out of order?  why werent they displayed hdc1, 6, 7,
hdd, etc...?  im listing them as they appear top to bottom in the gnome system
information tool.

7.  Mount point: /proc/bus/usb
device /proc/bus/usb
type usbdevfs
1,054,278 MB, 0 free (0 superuser)
1,078,982,051 nodes, 0 free

- i know this is my usb device, but how does my usb port have memory?  is
usbdevfs (or the other filesystems cited in #s 2, 3, 8, and 9 for that matter) a
filesystem type?  how are they different from other disk filesystem types?

8.  Mount point: /miscdevice automount(pid464)
type autofs
no information on this filesystem

- clueless again, please explain.  i know automount is for cds and stuff, but
whats the /misc?  autofs?  pid464?

9.  Mount poing: /net
device automount(pid480)
type autofs
no information on this filesystem

- ok, why 480 instead of 464?  whats the difference between /misc and /net
automounts?

Looks like I'm done for now.  Thank you to those who took the time to read this
because I know the printout is pretty overwhelming.

Peace,
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[newbie] ix86 architectures

[dic98]

Since someone just brought it up, could one of the smart people please explain
the different kinds of architectures, what they mean, and why they matter?  I
know (from running the GNOME system info program in the monitoring menu) that I
have an i686, what's that mean?

Thanks,
Isaac

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Re: [newbie] HTML editor sought

[Bryan Tyson]

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 05:38, Andrei wrote:


Yes quanta looks about exactly what I need.  Which RMP should I 
download for  a Mandrake 8.0 (being a pathetic newbie - I don't feel 
confortable compiling from sources and I don't really understand the 
difference between i586, 686, etc.).


I suggest you try the i586, as those have always worked for me in 
Mandrake. If i586 or i686 is wrong for your system, nothing bad will 
happen. You will just get a message something like "this rpm was 
designed for a different architecture," and it will quit without 
installing.

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Re: [newbie] Audio CD's...I can't open them.

[h3rb]

No..it's not that I can't hear it.  When I put the cd in the drive.  It 1.) 
will not auto-mount it. 2.) if I try to mount it myself it tell's me that the 
media is invalid.  And this happens with ANY audio cd.  If I put in a factory 
audio cd..it gives the same results.  It's that mandrake will not see the cd 
at all.  

h3rb
On Thursday 16 August 2001 06:49, Paul wrote:
> It was Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:06:05 -0400 when h3rb wrote:
> >I have 2 drives in my machine.  A DVD and a Burner.  I can burn with the
> >burner and watch dvd's with my dvd drive.  I can even burn an Audio cd
> > from the burner with MP3's and when I go to listen to it.  I can't.
> >Is there something special that needs to be setup to read audio cd's?
>
> Do you have both the DVD and the burner hooked up to the sound card? If the
> burner is not on a sound card, then audio will indeed be a problem...
> Paul
>
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Re: [newbie] A second LILO/GRUB

[Paul]

It was Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:09:59 -0400 when alex wrote:

>Let's say you have a Linux whose LILO or GRUB is working perfectly. 
>Then, you install an additional  Linux that can create its own
>LILO/GRUB.
>
>What steps would you take with respect to LILO/GRUB?

1. Have it install Lilo/grub in the root partition of the new distro
2. Copy the linux boot info from that one to the main lilo.conf (original
distro)
3. Run lilo of the original distro, and use that

Paul

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Re: [newbie] fsck

[Paul]

It was Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:51:06 -0400 when etharp wrote:

>ehh,,, the kernel is read into memory, then the disk unmounted?

Now you mention it: on boot (lilo text) I sometimes notice (when I look)
messages like

Remounting file system.

That could be part of the process...
Paul

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Re: [newbie] Audio CD's...I can't open them.

[Paul]

It was Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:06:05 -0400 when h3rb wrote:

>I have 2 drives in my machine.  A DVD and a Burner.  I can burn with the 
>burner and watch dvd's with my dvd drive.  I can even burn an Audio cd from 
>the burner with MP3's and when I go to listen to it.  I can't.  
>Is there something special that needs to be setup to read audio cd's?

Do you have both the DVD and the burner hooked up to the sound card? If the
burner is not on a sound card, then audio will indeed be a problem...
Paul

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Re: [newbie] Fw: Cron run-parts /etc/cron.daily

[Paul]

It was Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:59:55 -0500 when Michael D. Viron wrote:

>Paul,
>
>Yep...that's the problem.  Remove the second syslog entry, and you should
>stop getting the message.

Yay, it worked indeed!
Thank you!
Paul

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Re: [newbie] fsck

[David E. Fox]

> I had a power problem and my machine reset, and I was prompted to
> login and use fsck. My question is two fold. What is fsck (it seems

fsck means "file system check". It is similar to chkdsk or scandisk in
Windows. 

What happened on your system was that for some reason the boot process
found some inconsistencies on your disk(s) / partition(s) and you need
to run fsck manually. The system will boot into a shell, and you just
need to type 'fsck /dev/hda1' where /dev/hda1 is the partition that fsck
finds problems with.

Under this situation, you don't want to run fsck with any options other 
than the obvious one for the drive/partition.


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[newbie] Mandrake and Oracle

[Miark]

Hi all,

A friend of mine asked me to recommend a Linux distribution that would best
work with an Oracle database. I normally recommend Mandrake for anything and
everything, but I don't know squat about databases, and I figured he
deserves a more thoughtful answer.

His question, specifically, was whether RedHat-based or SuSE would be
better. SuSE advertises Oracle support on their web site, but I can't find
any mention of Oracle at Mandrake's site.

What say y'all?

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[newbie] A second LILO/GRUB

[alex]

Let's say you have a Linux whose LILO or GRUB is working perfectly. 
Then, you install an additional  Linux that can create its own
LILO/GRUB.

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[newbie] Audio CD's...I can't open them.

[h3rb]

I have 2 drives in my machine.  A DVD and a Burner.  I can burn with the 
burner and watch dvd's with my dvd drive.  I can even burn an Audio cd from 
the burner with MP3's and when I go to listen to it.  I can't.  
Is there something special that needs to be setup to read audio cd's?

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Re: [newbie] religion in Linux?!

[Charles Punch]

> 
> > One more thing and then I'll hold my peace, (true) Christianity
> > should not be confused with religion. I did not for one minute
> >mean anything like that.
> >
> Yeah, we could quibble with words, but I think I understand what you are a
> getting at.  

My whole point was "don't read too much into things"...
> 
Maybe I didn't express it properly, but that's exactly what I was
getting at. The book I mentioned does not base the spiritual aspect of
open source on religion or cute little double meanings. It speaks of an
attitude, not dogma. I would be hard for me to imagine hackers
subscribing to any kind of doctrine, no matter how liberal. I was not
implying that Linus Torvalds is a religious person, in fact in his
preface, he ponders the reason why he was asked to write it. Yet he did,
so evidently he was not afraid to be open minded and consider the
possibility of there being another perspective. I guess what *I'm*
trying to say, is that if you're gonna look for spirituality in
something, you've got to look in the right place, i.e., if your
religion, spirituality or whatever you call it (we all have it in one
form or another), is based on shallow principles, then it's effect on
you will be small. Wait, that almost made sense! Yeah that's it! Forget
all that other stuff I said. 

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Re: [newbie] KDE locks up the machine during logon

[s]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 02:21 pm, you wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>  I have been experiencing a strange problem after installing Mandrake
> 8.0 on PCs with the Intel 810 and 815 Chipsets. Sometimes while logging
> on, the KDE logo appears and shows the components that are being checked
> and the machine locks up, and I can't do anything but restart it. I
> haven't had this problem with KDE except on these machines. Are there
> known problem with the Intel 810 and 815 Chipsets? Thanks.
>
> Keith Lynn

Well, I have run mandrake on two different brands of mobos with the i815 
chipset and I have seen this too.  It's more pervasive with beta software, 
but I have seen it on final releases occasionally.  (I usually just 
ctrl+alt+backspace to console and startx.)  But I haven't heard anything 
concerning them.  This sounds like a question for Civileme.

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[newbie] zsh

[johnix]

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Re: [newbie] UDA33-66-100

[Leif Madsen]

Those 'dummy' wires are for grounding out each pin.  Allows for less signal 
noise. (Just basically as you said.. but the wires are for grounding) so each 
pin has a ground connection.

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 15:08, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> BTW, an ata/100 capable cable has 80 wires  but only 40
> conductors. The other 40 are 'dummy' wires.  Puddin again, there's
> still only 40 pins on the ends of a 80 wire cable.  The other 40 are
> spread in between as seperators to lower signal inductance (noise).
> A computer is just another kinda radio.

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[newbie] Mandrake Freq and bad program

[Jon Doe]

Ok, mandrake freq 3rd edition upgraded fine and I love it!
Just one question, at login I get an application error: 
The program nspluginscan has caused segfault. Below is the log for that 
program, how do I fix this or uninstall the offending prog?

no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
0x40f57159 in wait4 () from /lib/libc.so.6
#0  0x40f57159 in wait4 () from /lib/libc.so.6
#1  0x40fc8b2c in __check_rhosts_file () from /lib/libc.so.6
#2  0x40675c5e in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.3
#3  0x40e18ce7 in _IO_2_1_stderr_ () from /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3



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Re: [newbie] fsck

[etharp]

ehh,,, the kernel is read into memory, then the disk unmounted?


On Wednesday 15 August 2001 11:02, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> Good question. You've gotten me wondering about that too. If you wanted to
> do it manually I would assume that you would have to boot from (or chroot
> to) another filesystem (like a CD or floppy). How do fscks work on boot?
> When an fsck is needed at bootup, it is run _before_ the partiton is
> mounted.
>
> This brings up another question. How is the kernel loaded when the
> filesystem it is on hasn't been mounted yet? I assume that the principle
> would be the same as with the fsck situation above. This question doesn't
> only apply to Linux, but to all kernels.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:50, Paul wrote:
> > It was Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:07:56 +1000 when Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> >
> > One small question then: how would you go about fsck-ing the partition
> > that has the fsck binary on it? You can't run it when it is not mounted,
> > and you can't run it when it's mounted.
> > Would cp-ing the program be the solution?
> > Paul
> >
> > >> The procedure I gave, and for which I believe the question conserned,
> > >> was to be used during boot when the auto fsck is unable to complete
> > >> and the sysetm request that a manual fsck be run.
> > >> If run at this time no partition has has yet been mounted so using
> > >> an unmount command would be pointless and unnecessary.
> > >
> > >Very true. I just thought I should add that disclaimer just in case
> > > someone wanted to fsck a mounted filesystem :-)


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Re: [newbie] KDE locks up the machine during logon

[Naka Gadjov]

Keith Lynn wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>  I have been experiencing a strange problem after installing Mandrake
> 8.0 on PCs with the Intel 810 and 815 Chipsets. Sometimes while logging
> on, the KDE logo appears and shows the components that are being checked
> and the machine locks up, and I can't do anything but restart it. I
> haven't had this problem with KDE except on these machines. Are there
> known problem with the Intel 810 and 815 Chipsets? Thanks.
>

I am working on ASUS i815EP, (without sound and video) an all is OK.
But in my work i have seen i815ep Motherboards with broken sound.What is your
motherboard?



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Re: [newbie] zsh

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8/15/2001 2:58:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Hi! could someone tell me were I could find some info on zsh.I want to learn basic 
>programming.

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Re: [newbie] UDA33-66-100

[Naka Gadjov]

Jason Guidry wrote:

> Hey guys, don't mean to beat a dead horse, but UDMA XXX dosent mean
> anything.  no one's hard drive is fast enough to utilize all that
> throughput.  so don't worry about what kernel supports who, It doesn't
> matter.  you will see no performance boost.

absolutely true,
but it would be nice to have things running as they're supposed to.

i am worried about that there is not even a "bit" changes in transfer rates.






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[newbie] zsh

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Hi! could someone tell me were I could find some info on zsh.I want to learn basic 
programming.

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[newbie] mandrakefreq and software manager

[bascule]

i upgraded using mandrake freq a week or so ago and immediatley found that 
software manager was broken, continually telling me that the package i wanted 
to upgrade was already installed, so i downloaded the new mandrake freq 
yesterday amd did an upgrade with that, however it hasn't upgraded kde, it is 
still the 2.2alpha and not the *beta version, i want to install the latest 
version as since i upgraded with *freq the first time https connections with 
konqueror don't work even though mozilla works fine,

i notice also that the version of rpmdrake is the same with both *freqs could 
this package be faulty? needless to say upgrading to th latest cooker 
rpmdrake and it's dependencies doesn't work either!

anyone found a way round this?

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Re: [newbie] installing kde 2.2 stable

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On Wednesday 15 August 2001 16:32, thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> > Hi,
> I hope you don't mind me asking
> I see the readme file... here's the guts...
>
> now which process is the safest/brainless
>
>   As root:   - add a new media. Run:
> urpmi.addmedia a-name file://directory-where-are-stored-packages   -
> install packages you need using: urpmi name-of-package For example,
> to install gnupg, run: urpmi gnupg Dependencies will be
> automatically resolved.
>
>
>   OR   - automatically update your system using:
> urpmi --auto-select

I would probably try the 'rpm --autoselect' option first.

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[newbie] Troubles with the keyboard

[Sergio Vergara Gando]

Hellos list.
I am newbie on Linux Mandrake and this is my first message in this list.
Let me try to explain a little problem that i have with the release 8.0
I install this version in my laptop Compaq ARMADA 1750 and at the
beggining the instalation was in spanish.
All was well in the instalation. The only problem is the correct
configuration from the keyboard. I can not find the (at and the
backslah) in the keyboard.
In other releases i find it when i type at the same time "alt-gr+2" or
"alt-gr+?"
When i typed some of these it show me this: (arg: 2)
Remember that my keyboard is in spanish.
When go off the office and arrive at home, i install the same verion
(8.0) in my Desktop and what was my sorpriseit was the same problem.
I dont know how to resolve it. i hope some here have the time to help me
with this case :)

Well, i have another more complicated case.
When i install Mandrake 8.0 in my Desktop, before i was running Mandrkae
7.2, this version works fine, i think very fine, because the keybord,
KDE, Access to Internet, and share Internet with my other Pc's in my
little LAN work well. Now the KDE dont show mw anithing with root or
another user in this Version. The internet access to my ISP dont work
and the share internet told me that may be this version of kernel nto
support it.
Well i am not worry about it because here in my office i have internet
and many things, but my dauther can kill me if i nto resolve this
problem quickly :)

I have a full backup when i was working with the release 7.2

That you for all help that you can give me.

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Re: [newbie] installing kde 2.2 stable

[chrish]

Hi,
I hope you don't mind me asking
I see the readme file... here's the guts...

now which process is the safest/brainless

  As root:   - add a new media. Run:
urpmi.addmedia a-name file://directory-where-are-stored-packages   - install 
packages you need using:
urpmi name-of-package For example, to install gnupg, run:
urpmi gnupg Dependencies will be automatically resolved. 


  OR   - automatically update your system using:
urpmi --auto-select

thank you 
chris





8/15/2001 5:08:08 PM, Dave Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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>> How do I go an update my mandrake 8 to this new version
>> i can see the rpms here..
>>
>> http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde//stable/2.2/Mandrake/8.0/i586/
>
>Chris,
>
>You will need to download all packages, including the README file (README 
>may be in the parent directory, I don't remember, but I saw it when I was 
>there this morning). Read the README, there are installation instructions 
>there.
>
>Dave
>- -- 
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Re: [newbie] installing kde 2.2 stable

[s]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 03:57 pm, you wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 August 2001 03:22 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > How do I go an update my mandrake 8 to this new version
> > i can see the rpms here..
> >
> > http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde//stable/2.2/Mandrake/8.0/i
> >586/
>
>I took a look at those on the KDE mirrors and they're nothin but the
> same cooker rpms that you can get on any cooker mirror.  Texstar (God
> love him) is making mdk KDE2.2 rpms that include optimization patches
> that even cooker or KDE doesn't have (yet)   http://pclinuxonline.com/
>
>I'm d/l'ing 'em now, don't y'all jump on there at once  ;>>

I'm waiting until tomorrow.  Come back and share your experiences, will you?
TIA,
-s




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Re: [newbie] installing kde 2.2 stable

[Dave Sherman]

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On Wednesday 15 August 2001 15:22, thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> How do I go an update my mandrake 8 to this new version
> i can see the rpms here..
>
> http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde//stable/2.2/Mandrake/8.0/i586/

Chris,

You will need to download all packages, including the README file (README 
may be in the parent directory, I don't remember, but I saw it when I was 
there this morning). Read the README, there are installation instructions 
there.

Dave
- -- 
"Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No 
fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.)
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Re: [newbie] installing kde 2.2 stable

[Tom Brinkman]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 03:22 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> How do I go an update my mandrake 8 to this new version
> i can see the rpms here..
>
> http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde//stable/2.2/Mandrake/8.0/i
>586/

   I took a look at those on the KDE mirrors and they're nothin but the 
same cooker rpms that you can get on any cooker mirror.  Texstar (God 
love him) is making mdk KDE2.2 rpms that include optimization patches 
that even cooker or KDE doesn't have (yet)   http://pclinuxonline.com/  

   I'm d/l'ing 'em now, don't y'all jump on there at once  ;>>
-- 
Tom Brinkman   Galveston Bay



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[newbie] RE: [expert] re: sound configuration

[Charles A Edwards]

sndconfig

Run as root from a console not while in X

   Charles  (-:


Forever never goes beyond tomorrow. 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lawrence G.
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 4:28 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [expert] re: sound configuration
> 
> 
> does anyone know what the command is to test sound. it's 
> the command 
> that will ask you to pick a sound card option and then test it by 
> playing sounds. 
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] Install problem - 3c509 NIC's

[Matt Greer]

--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The only thing that I can think that I am doing
> wrong is I am useing a 7.0
> boot floppy because I don't have a 8.0 boot floppy!

Create an 8.0 boot floppy. The 8.0 cd includes all the
facilities to do this. Read the readme in the /images
directory on the cd. It assumes your current OS is
Windows or DOS. If you just have a machine with Linux,
you can still create the boot floppy. I believe the
command is "dd desiredimaged.img /dev/fd0" but don't
quote me on that.

Hopefully that will solve your problems.

Matt


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Re: [newbie] UDA33-66-100

[Tom Brinkman]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 08:15 am, Naka Gadjov wrote:

> under UDA33-66-100
> UDA33 --- hdparm -X66 /dev/hda
> UDA66 --- hdparm -X68 /dev/hda
> UDA100 ---hdparm -X69 /dev/hda

  This sets udma, but not ata. The two are not necessarily joined.
That said, my ata/100 at udma5 drive, 2.4.7 kernel, on a low inductance 
80 wire cable, gets a steady hdparm -t of 35.96mb/sec in run level 3 
every d*mn time, but with X runnin (level 5), -t is all over the place 
at about 20 to 29mb/sec.

   Like I always say tho, hdparm or any other HDD bench for that 
matter, has little to do with real world day to day HDD performance. 
Specially since most all of us run one window environment or another.
The fact that hdparm -t with X and some other apps/processes runnin 
produces varried results, all of which are much lower than runlevel 3
produces illustrates this. Proof is in the puddin in that if I force 
udma2 (-X66), hdparm-t scores are the same ... all over the place 
between 20 to 29mb/sec with X in level 5.

> PS: use ide0=ata66 in kernel boot parameters to force using 80
> conductor cable.

 I'll havt'a look into what that means. I've never passed an 
ide?=ata?? parameter to the kernel. I'm skeptical of how it could 
change somethin that's strickly a hardware issue, and I get 36mb/sec 
without it. I do know that any HDD, whether SCSI or IDE ata/33, 66, 
100, or 133 . still runs on the 33± mhz PCI bus. 

BTW, an ata/100 capable cable has 80 wires  but only 40 
conductors. The other 40 are 'dummy' wires.  Puddin again, there's 
still only 40 pins on the ends of a 80 wire cable.  The other 40 are 
spread in between as seperators to lower signal inductance (noise).
A computer is just another kinda radio.
-- 
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Re: [newbie] HEY, NO SPAMMING

[Charles Punch]

Jesse Hepburn wrote:
> 
> Now here's something that I find amusing.  The guy who actually spammed
This thread is starting to sound like the Monty Python sketch that
someone mentioned earlier.
All spam and no mail make Jack a dull newbie.

ShalomOut
  Chal
Elder PCUSA
Registered Linux user # 217118
I want to read my new poem about pork brains and outer space ...

> only sent on email...fine, I can handle that, but then everybody starts
> sending anti-spam emails (and thus spamming everybody), and now we're
> all supposed to spam the webmaster to take action against the spammer?
> 
> --Jesse
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jason Guidry
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:04 PM
> To: Linux-Mandrake Newbie (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [newbie] HEY, NO SPAMMING
> 
> I contacted the webmaster at his domain.  mandrake claims to "go after"
> people who spam people on this list.  I think if we all write a letter
> to
> the webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, that should take care of it.
> 
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Re: [newbie] religion in Linux?!

[Charles Punch]

It seems we agree on at least one point, that is, that the names of
various shells, progs, processes etc. are probably puns or double
meanings done in a light vein. However the concepts in the GPL have
roots in most religions or at least in spirituality. You know, don't be
ruled by greed etc. By the way Linus Torvalds wrote the preface for the 
book I mentioned. In case you didn't catch it the first time , it's "The
Hacker Ethic and the Spirit of the Information Age" by Pekka Himanen.
The preface by Linus is "Prologue: what makes hackers Tick? a.k.a.
Linus's Law, by Linus Torvalds." One more thing and then I'll hold my
peace, (true) Christianity should not be confused with religion. I did
not for one minute mean anything like that. 

ShalomOut
  Chal
Elder PCUSA
Registered Linux user # 217118

Mark Johnson wrote:
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Charles Punch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 4:23 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [newbie] religion in Linux?!
> >
> >
> > manuels would have aquired. It would seem to me, that if someone were
> > looking into whether there is a possibility of religious roots in
> > "daemons" and "ncurses," that they must have at least a basic working
> > knowledge of Linux.
> >
> 
> FWIW, the original meaning of "daemon" means "strong spiritual/natural
> force" and it was used in connection with both good and evil. If you look up
> this word on dictionary.com you'll find the more current meaning (demon); I
> will need to look around and find the original definition.  I think I found
> it originally discussed in Rollo May's "Love and Will", however, if someone
> knows where the history of UNIX/Linux/computer science that discuss terms
> can be found I'd really be interested. I would bet that to serious UNIX
> folks the general connotation of the words "daemon" and "demon" mean two
> different things for them even outside of the computing environment.
> 
> Anyway as for "ncurses" or "curses" I couldn't tell you, however, if you
> are looking for religious roots in linux I think you will find that they are
> not serious religious bindings but rather a sarcastic play on religious
> thems and idioms (especially BASH).  Many programmers for example will use
> 666 as a number when debugging programs or creating data for test cases.
> Not because they are satanist (or Christians) but because they are playful
> programmers. Then there's always SATAN (Security Administrator Tool for
> Analyzing Networks), more playful programmers!
> 
> I think it's safe to say that most computer folks are probably
> anti-establishment (& anti-church), but probably not not anti-spiritual.  A
> lot of the hackers in the 60's and 70's where hippies. Most are probably not
> very extroverted and consequently suspicious of anything organized, or like
> to play games with languages (both human and computer).  You can see this
> language play in perl programmers...
> 
> In my opinion, the religious themes in linux (or for that matter computer
> science) is pretty trivial and purely for fun. There's also the whole "I am
> God" mentality for sysadmins and programmers (compare Torvalds opening line
> at a user's group meeting: "I am your God").  If you've ever looked through
> enough source code you'll find a ton of allusions to The Lord of the Rings
> (admittedly a book based on religious themes).
> 
> Western Religion is part of our cultural and literary history here in
> America and Europe whether you are a church-goer or not, so they are bound
> to show up in some variation in our contemporary lives and consequently in
> Linux.
> 
> (ps: this thread could go south really fast, we should be careful not to
> translate "religion" to mean "Catholicism" or "Protestantism" or etc...
> "religio" means "to link back" and there is a reason why the word religion
> is used to address these themes that are much larger than Catholicism,
> Buddhism, etc...  What I am getting at is becareful to think that there is a
> Christian sentiment running through Linux, but rather what seems religious
> is rather a play on ideas that represent the big primal themes and symbology
> that humans have had to deal with since the beginning.)
> 
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Re: [newbie] Other screens than :0?

[emammendes]

Hello

I tried what you said but the same error came out.  I have attached the log
file in case you want to have a look.

Many thanks

Eduardo


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To: "newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Other screens than :0?


> It was Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:37:29 -0500 when emammendes wrote:
>
> Just run
>
> startx -- :1
>
> then
>
> >Hello again
> >
> >I need to run another X session on the same computer. Even though I can
go
> >to another screen using alt+ctrl+F1 (for instance), startx won't start
(an
> >error mesages comes out; something like :0 is already in use).
> >
> >Is there way to configure the system to get more than :0?
>
>
> --
> To attain happiness in another world we need only to believe something;
> to secure it in this world, we must do something.
> -Charlotte Perkins Gilman
>
> http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403
>  Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.5.3
> ** http://www.care2.com - when you care **
>
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[newbie] Timidity,Kmid and Jazz

[Marcia Waller]

Dear All,

I am planning to set up my linux box for MIDI in the near future. Has anyone 
here on the list worked with Kmid, timidity, or jazz? Has anyone used Linux 
for MIDI and with certain instruments? If anyone has done this or is doing 
this could you let me know how you have set this up? Thank you very much.

Sincerely,

Marcia



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Re: [newbie] reiser vs.ext2

[Charles Punch]

I second that vote of thanx to Sridhar. I am going to use reiser when
8.1 comes out. I am running too stable and smooth to mess with my system
at present, but I'm keeping my ears open, so that I will be as informed
as I can be, when I'm ready to take the plunge. Oh yeah, I picked up
some good advice from Sridhar about GNOME, which I was having trouble
with and now I am using it almost exclusively. Sometimes, even if I
don't understand fully what is being discussed, just knowing that
someone else has something working properly, gives me encouragement to
keep trying. I figure, if they can do it so can I. I am a slow but
stubborn student. Of course this theory can only stretch as far as the
similarity of our systems. The capability of the grey matter, is not as
important, since the information is shared. This list is way cool! Thanx
again to Sridhar, as well as Civileme and all the others who dedicate so
much time to the list. 

ShalomOut
  Chal
Elder PCUSA
Registered Linux user # 217118

skinky wrote:
> 
> On Thursday 16 August 2001 00:09, you wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:22, Paul wrote:
> > > > ReiserFS still has some issues with RAID and with certain NFS
> > > > configurations. For ordinary home use (i.e. one desktop system or a
> > > > small LAN) you should be fine. Apparently XFS (not officially
> > > > supported by MandrakeSoft) is the best filesystem for SMB (e.g.
> > > > Samba) setups.
> > > >
> > > > Ext2 was designed to be a very extensible filesystem, with 'hooks'
> > > > allowing other functions to be added. There are projects out there
> > > > that add features like NTFS-style compression to Ext2. Ext3 is
> > > > essentially Ext2 with journalling added. Because of this, Ext2 can
> > > > be upgraded to Ext3 with no data loss. As Tom suggested, however, a
> > > > backup is still advisable.
> > >
> > > Backups are always advisable (I am a backup paranoid ;)
> >
> > Oh yeah :-)
> >
> > > A question though: what is the explicit advantage of a journalling FS?
> > > Is it faster? More efficient?
> > > Is it just the way that it prevents data corruption in case of a power
> > > outage?
> >
> > A Journalling FS is simply a FS that sets aside a small part of space
> > for logging writes so that it can roll-back when an error (from a power
> > surge, for example) occurs. This is a feature that is shared by
> > filesystems like ReiserFS, Ext3 and JFS.
> >
> > The Filesystems HOWTO (available at LinuxDoc.org) states that
> > journalling FSs sacrifice some speed for much reliability. It must be
> > noted, however, that this was written a while ago, and today's
> > journalling FSs are quite fast, due to superior design. In tests,
> > ReiserFS has proven itself to be at least as fast as Ext2 for
> > ordinary-size files, and much faster for small files. This, however, is
> > due to other innovations besides journalling. ReiserFS has no concept of
> > blocks/clusters as Ext2 does, and so it has no cluster wastage and no
> > fragmentation. This increases efficiency in space, speed and
> > reliability.
> >
> > > In the 2+ years that I am (happily) running Linux (all ext2 disks) I
> > > have had this happen only 3 times, and each time things came up nice
> > > again after the automatic fsck's.
> >
> > Ext2 is quite a resiliant filesystem, but nowhere near as resiliant as a
> > good journalling one. FSCKs can sometimes damage data (like Scandisc can
> > in DOS), since what they are doing requires some clever guesstimation. A
> > journalling FS can rely on its log, and so can recover much more quickly
> > and reliably.
> 
> Thanks, Sridhar, for sharing your wisdom!  All the info you have shared in
> thread alone (not to mention the rest) is very much appreciated (by me at
> least and I'm sure by everyone else on the list).
> 
> This has got to be the best mailing list yet.  ;-)
> 
> skinky
> 
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Re: [newbie] Re: ppp thread

[Gonzalix le Druide]

Dear Tom and the others too:
Could you please give me a hand with my very, very basic, and very, very
stupid problem, I mean help me to get a telephone connection with pppd?
I'd really appreciate
Please
PLEASE
please

G le D
---

Tom Brinkman wrote:

> On Tuesday 14 August 2001 11:04 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > << quoting skinky:  "I slow my connection right down to 19200 bps (it
> > connects at the higher speeds but is much slower)" >>
> >
> > Could someone explain that to me?  How can I tell what my optimum
> > connection speed is?
>
> Trial and error.  Usually the best gauge is the average transfer
> rates you get when d/l'ing a large file(s), but even that is subject
> to, among many other things, the ftp server you connect to and the
> routes in between you and them. If you use Kppp you can click on
> 'Details' and watch the graph. Many d/l agents also display current and
> average speed. Usually in bytes/sec, ie, 56K is 56,000 bits/sec.
> 'Course that can never be attained, best is about 53,000, and more
> likely around 48,000 at best.
>
>  Not all bits are used for data, some, sometimes many are used for
> modem acknowledgements of whether the data was properly received or not
> (acks - noacks, etc). The 'handshake' speed to see when you first
> connect is only what speed the modems agreed to begin with under the
> best condition, connecting directly to your ISP. After that it goes up
> and down, often quite drastically which is normal.
>
> You can get a wealth of info on tuning your connection from a
> Google search.  For most dialup users it'll probly center around
> adjusting 'mtu' and 'mru'. These can be added as arguments in Kppp,
> usually 576 or 296. Default is ~1500. My experience has always been
> that there's little or nothin to gain and often tweaking from the
> defaults is maybe steadier, but often slower.
>
>  All the above is a gross oversimplification as you'll soon see
> from a Google search.  I'll leave it to y'all to be creative in what
> search terms you use ;>   Hint: I've already given you some, and you
> can get a few more in Kppp's 'Details'
> --
> Tom Brinkman   Galveston Bay
>
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Re: [newbie] religion in Linux?!

[John Rye]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:04:48 -0500
Mark Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> (ps: this thread could go south really fast, we should be careful not to
> translate "religion" to mean "Catholicism" or "Protestantism" or etc...
> "religio" means "to link back" and there is a reason why the word religion
> is used to address these themes that are much larger than Catholicism,
> Buddhism, etc...  What I am getting at is becareful to think that there is a
> Christian sentiment running through Linux, but rather what seems religious
> is rather a play on ideas that represent the big primal themes and symbology
> that humans have had to deal with since the beginning.)

Well done that man!!

Ok hows about a bit of associated associations - (just to keep this thoroughly on
topic )

MarkJohnson
MarkPhysic
Johnson  Son of John
Mark&John  Evangalists of Old
JohnFisherman
Fish water
Water  floats
Floats  bird
Bird  floats
Floats  swims
Swims fish
Fish  food
Foodfisherman
fishermanfisherbird
Fisherbirdpenguin!

Now I hear that call - must off and make my ritual supplications to the
severely handicapped avian which makes it life bearable by attempting to
reduce the invasion of the genus picsae in disdain of the great distractors
the god Linus.

Morning all - had my coffee!!!


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[newbie] How do you "uninstall" something?

[Mark Johnson]

Here at work we have 3 linux machines.  I was trying to do something with
php and mysql.  Php installed fine on 2 of the machines but on the third I
couldn't get the php-mysql rpm to install.  It turns out someone installed
v11 of mysql on the 3rd machine (whereas the first two are running v10).
How, can I install mysql v10 on the 3rd machine and get rid of v11?

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RE: [newbie] Network Printer on Win98

[Jose M. Sanchez]

If you are at least getting smbclient to work, you are almost there!

Now the problem is how Cups' filters treat the remote winblows printer.

Cups tries to run thru the Linux/Unix style printer filters which feed
GIMP/GHOSTSCRIPT or some other ratherizer. The problem is that the
rasterizer rarely puts out information that is compatible with the
winblows printers...

Your first step should be to set up the Winblows printer as a text mode
printer and try printing plain text to it from Linux/Cups.

Make sure that you can get plain text to print FIRST!

If you can this far, you can start searching for Winblows compatible
Linux/Cups filters in the driver database.

Additional printer control init sequences may differ between CUPS and
Winblows which is another problem...

-JMS

-Original Message-
From: Guilherme Cirne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 12:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] Network Printer on Win98


At 23:08 14/08/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Before you go as far as MOUNTING a remote share or utilizing a remote 
>printer under Samba you should test to make sure that your Linux 
>machine is able to LOG IN to the winblows machine...
>
>Try
>
>"smbclient -L machine -U user"
>
>Where "machine" is the name of the Winblows machine and "user" name you

>are CURRENTLY using on your Winblows machine to log into the network...
>
>You should see something like this
>
># smbclient -L whopper -U admin
>added interface ip=10.0.0.1 bcast=10.0.0.255 nmask=255.255.255.0
>
>Password:
>
>
>
> Sharename  Type  Comment
>
> -    ---
>
> CDROM  Disk
>
> E  Disk
>
> D  Disk
>
> C  Disk
>
> IPC$   IPC   Remote Inter Process Communication
>
>
>
> Server   Comment
>
> ----
>
>
>
> WorkgroupMaster
>
> ----
>
>#
>
>Notice that it prompted for a WINDOWS password, then displayed the 
>shares...
>
>If this does not work for you, you either have SAMBA configured 
>incorrectly (did you set up your Linux box to act as a SAMBA server 
>yet? The samba client uses the settings from the /etc/smb.conf or 
>/etc/samba/smb.conf files for the server!) or the username and password

>pairs you are giving are not recognized by Winblows.
>
>Once you have something similar to the above displaying, use the 
>accepted login to set up your remote Winblows printing.
>
>One step at a time makes things easier to debug.
>
>-JMS

At first I couldn't connect to the windows machine using samba. I would
get 
a connection failed error. After I re-installed LM 8.0 from scratch
(since 
I have some time on my hands I can afford to do this) the first thing I 
tested was smbclient and I successfully connected to the windows
machine.

So I setup the printer and sent a test page to it. It would start
printing 
fine but would stop for no reason at the beginning of the page. I tried 
setting the printer up both through Mandrake Control Center and Cups. At

least I'm moving forward!

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[newbie] Install problem - 3c509 NIC's

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hello All,
  Here is my situation: ;)

Im Installing 8.0 on a Dell OptiPlex GXi with the onboard NIC disabled and
(2) 3com 3c509 PCI NIC's
specs for this model can be viewed here:
http://support.dell.com/

Durring Install autoprobe detects and lists both NIC's for me, however when
I click "ok" I get the following error.

failed to get modules /lib/modules.cz-2.2.14-BOOT10: read only file system
at /usr/bin/perl-install/modules.pm line 558,  line 5384

failed to get modules /lib/modules.cz-2.2.14-BOOT10: read only file system
at /usr/bin/perl-install/modules.pm line 558,  line 5384

So I click 'OK' again and I get :
an error occured
no network card found.

and then I get stuck in that loop and can't procced any farther in the
install.

I looked in /lib and I don't even see a modules.cz-2.2.14-BOOT10 !

The only thing that I can think that I am doing wrong is I am useing a 7.0
boot floppy because I don't have a 8.0 boot floppy!

Both of the NIC's were pulled from a system running 7.0 so I know they work.

Has anyone ever seen this problem?
This is only the second time I have tried to install linux, and Im lost for
ideas on how to procced.
Thanks in advance.

-Ryan

++
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[newbie] GIF software

[Andrew]

what is the best software for creating a GIF animated banner?
Thanks for the help.

regards,
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Re: [newbie] SMTP Server advice / help

[Kevin Fonner]

I am planning on setting up my own mail server for my home as well.  I 
did use mail deamon when I was in the windows world to grab all my mail 
out of a single pop mailbox for the domain.  I would imagine some linux 
mail servers would have this feature as well.  I have been so busy I 
haven't had the chance to look yet.  Let me know if you find anything. 
 You can then access the mail server via imap anywhere in the house.  To 
access it from the internet use a dynamic dns service.  This service 
allows your computer to update a dns server on the internet with it's 
current static ip address.  

Kevin

Jamie Kerwick wrote:

> Basically i want to use my home PC as a mail server. Now there are 2 
> problems i have, my PC is only on a dial-up connection and as such 
> doesn't have a stable IP or a proper domain name registered for it. 
> now the main thing is that i want to be able to use it no matter what 
> internet connection i am using. I don't plan on having an open relay i 
> want to make it neccessary to log into the smtp server, how would i go 
> about doing that??
>
> any adivce would be great thanks
>
> Jamie
>
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RE: [newbie] UDA33-66-100

[Jason Guidry]

Hey guys, don't mean to beat a dead horse, but UDMA XXX dosent mean
anything.  no one's hard drive is fast enough to utilize all that
throughput.  so don't worry about what kernel supports who, It doesn't
matter.  you will see no performance boost.  

if you want the most performance from a hard drive, get a reliable one with
a high RPM, 7200 should do just fine, 10,000 if you gots the cash.  even
with high RPM drives, you _will_not_ max out a UDMA66, probably not even a
UDMA33.

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Re: [newbie] Re:Lilo skips Windows98

[Tom Brinkman]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 09:05 am, alex wrote:
> Just reinstalled MDK8.0 and everything works as I wanted. The only
> problem is, I lost all previous e-amil. Thanks for the help.

  Next time save a copy of the Mail directory that's in your 
/home/ directory.  MOF, save your whole /home/ dir and you 
can copy it back in after a re-install keeping all your stuff and user 
settings.
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Re: [newbie] Re: ppp thread

[Tom Brinkman]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 10:08 am, Peter Watson wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 August 2001 15:08, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> > 'Many d/l agents also display current and
> > average speed. Usually in bytes/sec, ie, 56K is 56,000 bits/sec.
>
> I'm getting confused. I thought there were 8 bits in a byte.
>
> petew

Yes, but there's also bits needed for checking.  So, for example on 
my average 31,200 bits/sec handshake, I normally get about a 3,300 
bytes/sec (3.3K/sec) transfer from various servers on the Net. So 
there's roughly 8 data bits and 2 checking bits being used for every 
byte transfered.  In slower transfers of bytes, there maybe the max 
number of bits being sent back'an forth real fast, but fewer are 
successful, resulting in much less actual 'good' bytes getting thru.

 More descriptive than accurate:  The modem your modem connects to 
sends a whole bunch of bits to your modem along with some more bits 
asking "OK, it sent X number of bits which should give you Y number of 
bytes, did ya get 'em?  To which your end responds, " yep, seems OK, 
send some more" (ack) ...or... "I got the bits, but the bytes are 
wrong, you need to send 'em all over again. (no-ack)" 
[to even further complicate this, there's different modem protocols 
used, ie, algorithms for defining the modems 'conversation'  AFAIK, 
z-modem is the most common currently used]

  Don't depend on my loose explanations tho.  Google is your friend ;) 
If I really understood all this, I might be able to explain it better ;>
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Re: [newbie] Is postfix really neccesary?

[Kevin Fonner]

We'll actually I am planning on setting up my own personal email server. 
 I was thinking of using qmail.  I would be interested in hearing 
opinions of qmail versus postfix.  I was just thinking it would be kind 
of redundent if I have my own mail server AND had a mailserver on every 
single workstation.

Thanks,
Kevin

Paul wrote:

>>I know postfix is some kind of mail server.  Is their anything else it 
>>does?  Why is it installed by default on workstations?  Is it ok to 
>>uninstall it?
>>
>
>Postfix is used by Cron (which does all kind of work for you) to send you mails on 
>what
>went wrong. You can uninstall it, and never know what goes wrong in maintenance jobs. 
>Not
>everyone cares.
>If you are happy connecting to the pop3/imap and smtp servers of your ISP, that would 
>be
>okay.
>I wouldn't uninstall postfix though.
>Paul
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Re: [newbie] Mandrake as server

[LEONARD_MILLER]

  Date:  08/15/2001  12:27 pm  (Wednesday)
  From:  Leonard Miller
To:  "\"Linux Newbie\" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at
 INTERNET".UD-CCGate.DM-YK-01;  "\"Solver\"
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at INTERNET".UD-CCGate.DM-YK-01
   Subject:  Re: [newbie] Mandrake as server

That depends on what type of server you are planning on running.
File? Web? DHCP?
Although, theoretically, windows clients are fairly easy to reconfigure if
they are setup first.

>>> "Solver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at INTERNET 08/15/01 07:14PM >>>
I wonder what should I do if I want a network, with Windows workstations,
have a Linux server. I understand that then I put on Linux on server, but
what should be the installation order? Server first, or workgroups?
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[newbie] Re: HEY, NO SPAMMING

[Adam Willcox]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 08:04 am, Jason Guidry wrote:
> I contacted the webmaster at his domain.  mandrake claims to "go
> after" people who spam people on this list.  I think if we all write
> a letter to the webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, that should
> take care of it.

Before this gets way out'a hand, let me say this is a bad idea.
There's many reasons why a list can occaisionally get spammed, and
often the apparent sender is the main victim, ie, his/her acount
or system was used to send the spam without his/her knowledge or
consent.  Often it's just an innocent mistake.

   As has already been said, the best tool for dealing with spam is the
 key.  Some of the main damage from viruses is the volume of
email sent (in)correctly warning of them. Some of the main damage spam
causes is the volume of email it spawns from those who feel a need to
search for the guilty and (often) crucify the innocent.  YMMV
--
Tom Brinkman   Galveston Bay

-

Hey, since your so tolerate of SPAM why aren't you as tolerant of the flames
that follow it.




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Re: [newbie] fsck

[Tom Brinkman]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 10:02 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> Good question. You've gotten me wondering about that too. If you
> wanted to do it manually I would assume that you would have to boot
> from (or chroot to) another filesystem (like a CD or floppy). How do
> fscks work on boot? When an fsck is needed at bootup, it is run
> _before_ the partiton is mounted.

  I believe the answer might be fsck is run on mounted partitions. 
They're just mounted read only.  BUT I don't really know, and I haven't 
used ext2 or need e2fsck on any partitions for a long time. Still it's 
a good question and sure made me curious.
-- 
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Re: [newbie] religion in Linux?!

[Jim Kempton]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 10:04, Mark Johnson wrote:

>
> FWIW, the original meaning of "daemon" means "strong spiritual/natural
> force" and it was used in 
 

AMEN

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RE: [newbie] Network Printer on Win98

[Guilherme Cirne]

At 23:08 14/08/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Before you go as far as MOUNTING a remote share or utilizing a remote
>printer under Samba you should test to make sure that your Linux machine
>is able to LOG IN to the winblows machine...
>
>Try
>
>"smbclient -L machine -U user"
>
>Where "machine" is the name of the Winblows machine and "user" name you
>are CURRENTLY using on your Winblows machine to log into the network...
>
>You should see something like this
>
># smbclient -L whopper -U admin
>added interface ip=10.0.0.1 bcast=10.0.0.255 nmask=255.255.255.0
>
>Password:
>
>
>
> Sharename  Type  Comment
>
> -    ---
>
> CDROM  Disk
>
> E  Disk
>
> D  Disk
>
> C  Disk
>
> IPC$   IPC   Remote Inter Process Communication
>
>
>
> Server   Comment
>
> ----
>
>
>
> WorkgroupMaster
>
> ----
>
>#
>
>Notice that it prompted for a WINDOWS password, then displayed the
>shares...
>
>If this does not work for you, you either have SAMBA configured
>incorrectly (did you set up your Linux box to act as a SAMBA server yet?
>The samba client uses the settings from the /etc/smb.conf or
>/etc/samba/smb.conf files for the server!) or the username and password
>pairs you are giving are not recognized by Winblows.
>
>Once you have something similar to the above displaying, use the
>accepted login to set up your remote Winblows printing.
>
>One step at a time makes things easier to debug.
>
>-JMS

At first I couldn't connect to the windows machine using samba. I would get 
a connection failed error. After I re-installed LM 8.0 from scratch (since 
I have some time on my hands I can afford to do this) the first thing I 
tested was smbclient and I successfully connected to the windows machine.

So I setup the printer and sent a test page to it. It would start printing 
fine but would stop for no reason at the beginning of the page. I tried 
setting the printer up both through Mandrake Control Center and Cups. At 
least I'm moving forward!

Guilherme Cirne
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Re: [newbie] Need printing help, please

[civileme]

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 22:30, Judith Miner wrote:
> Thanks for the explanation and suggestions. I did try printing a file
> directly with xpp but had the same results: nothing. I have downloaded
> quite a bit of information on CUPS, cups-o-matic, and Linux printing and
> will try to work my way through it and figure out what's happening.
>  --Judy Miner
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Judith Miner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: August 12, 2001 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Need printing help, please
>
> On Sunday 12 August 2001 17:42, Judith Miner wrote:
> > Sridhar wrote with regard to my printing problem:
> > >> Try printing to a postscript file (available in the print settings
>
> of
>
> > most apps) and then printing that with xpp. <<
>
> [snip]
>
> DON'T remove xpp
>
> make XPP the target of your print command
>
> instead of lpr -P pronter in the command line for printing when you call
> a
> print
> put xpp there.
>
> Then you can always print
>
> In StarOffice, you need to run SPA as root and make the connection of
> the
> derfault printer to xpp.
>
> Then things should starrt working.
>
> Also run xpp as a user, not as root because it builds a user file which
> overrides the root configuration settings.
>
> Civileme


Is your firewall by any chance blocking port 631?

You need 631 open, at least on localhost, for cups to work.

Civileme


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Re: [newbie] fsck

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

Good question. You've gotten me wondering about that too. If you wanted to do 
it manually I would assume that you would have to boot from (or chroot to) 
another filesystem (like a CD or floppy). How do fscks work on boot? When an 
fsck is needed at bootup, it is run _before_ the partiton is mounted.

This brings up another question. How is the kernel loaded when the filesystem 
it is on hasn't been mounted yet? I assume that the principle would be the 
same as with the fsck situation above. This question doesn't only apply to 
Linux, but to all kernels.

Hmmm...


On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:50, Paul wrote:
> It was Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:07:56 +1000 when Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
>
> One small question then: how would you go about fsck-ing the partition that
> has the fsck binary on it? You can't run it when it is not mounted, and you
> can't run it when it's mounted.
> Would cp-ing the program be the solution?
> Paul
>
> >> The procedure I gave, and for which I believe the question conserned,
> >> was to be used during boot when the auto fsck is unable to complete
> >> and the sysetm request that a manual fsck be run.
> >> If run at this time no partition has has yet been mounted so using
> >> an unmount command would be pointless and unnecessary.
> >
> >Very true. I just thought I should add that disclaimer just in case
> > someone wanted to fsck a mounted filesystem :-)

-- 
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LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
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Re: [newbie] religion in Linux?!

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:42, A V Flinsch wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 August 2001 01:31, Paul wrote:
> > For that we have Jesux, a linux for Christians:
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/ 
>
> That is onbe of the funniest pages that I have seen in a long time
>
>--
> Alex
>
> Steve Balmer, CEO of Microsoft, recently referred to LINUX as a cancer.
> Unsurprisingly, that's incorrect; LINUX was released on August 25th,
> 1991 and is therefore a Virgo.

Steve also called GNU/Linux communist. If that were true, how could a 
Christian distribution exist, given that communism is aethiestic? Food for 
thought...

That site was sooo funny!

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan.
"There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
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Re: [newbie] Re: ppp thread

[Peter Watson]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 15:08, Tom Brinkman wrote:

> 'Many d/l agents also display current and
> average speed. Usually in bytes/sec, ie, 56K is 56,000 bits/sec.


I'm getting confused. I thought there were 8 bits in a byte.

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[newbie] Re:Lilo skips Windows98

[alex]

Just reinstalled MDK8.0 and everything works as I wanted. The only
problem is, I lost all previous e-amil. Thanks for the help.

My advice to all---make a hard copy and floppy copy of
/etc/lilo.conf to aid in troubleshooting LILO.  Do it while it still
works right.Alex



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Re: [newbie] Re: Another Mozilla

[Paul Cox]

On Wednesday, Aug 15, 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 3.  Could you explain the last thing about the local vs. not local server a
> little more?  My email server is in Amherst, Mass.  I am in eastern Maine.  Is
> that what you're talking about?  I'm also using a dial-up connection if that is
> at all relevant.

In that case, you can probably ignore what I said. =)  That was if you
were using your own mailserver (I mean, the same box you're running
Mozilla on).  I guess you need to get together with whoever runs the
server in Mass.

-- 
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Re: [newbie] HEY, NO SPAMMING

[Tom Brinkman]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 08:04 am, Jason Guidry wrote:
> I contacted the webmaster at his domain.  mandrake claims to "go
> after" people who spam people on this list.  I think if we all write
> a letter to the webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, that should
> take care of it.

Before this gets way out'a hand, let me say this is a bad idea.
There's many reasons why a list can occaisionally get spammed, and 
often the apparent sender is the main victim, ie, his/her acount 
or system was used to send the spam without his/her knowledge or 
consent.  Often it's just an innocent mistake.

   As has already been said, the best tool for dealing with spam is the 
 key.  Some of the main damage from viruses is the volume of 
email sent (in)correctly warning of them. Some of the main damage spam 
causes is the volume of email it spawns from those who feel a need to 
search for the guilty and (often) crucify the innocent.  YMMV
-- 
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Re: [newbie] fsck

[Paul]

It was Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:07:56 +1000 when Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:

One small question then: how would you go about fsck-ing the partition that
has the fsck binary on it? You can't run it when it is not mounted, and you
can't run it when it's mounted.
Would cp-ing the program be the solution?
Paul

>> The procedure I gave, and for which I believe the question conserned,
>> was to be used during boot when the auto fsck is unable to complete
>> and the sysetm request that a manual fsck be run.
>> If run at this time no partition has has yet been mounted so using
>> an unmount command would be pointless and unnecessary.
>
>Very true. I just thought I should add that disclaimer just in case someone 
>wanted to fsck a mounted filesystem :-)

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RE: [newbie] religion in Linux?!

[Mark Johnson]

> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Punch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 4:23 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] religion in Linux?!
> 
> 
> manuels would have aquired. It would seem to me, that if someone were
> looking into whether there is a possibility of religious roots in
> "daemons" and "ncurses," that they must have at least a basic working
> knowledge of Linux. 
>

FWIW, the original meaning of "daemon" means "strong spiritual/natural
force" and it was used in connection with both good and evil. If you look up
this word on dictionary.com you'll find the more current meaning (demon); I
will need to look around and find the original definition.  I think I found
it originally discussed in Rollo May's "Love and Will", however, if someone
knows where the history of UNIX/Linux/computer science that discuss terms
can be found I'd really be interested. I would bet that to serious UNIX
folks the general connotation of the words "daemon" and "demon" mean two
different things for them even outside of the computing environment.

Anyway as for "ncurses" or "curses" I couldn't tell you, however, if you
are looking for religious roots in linux I think you will find that they are
not serious religious bindings but rather a sarcastic play on religious
thems and idioms (especially BASH).  Many programmers for example will use
666 as a number when debugging programs or creating data for test cases.
Not because they are satanist (or Christians) but because they are playful
programmers. Then there's always SATAN (Security Administrator Tool for
Analyzing Networks), more playful programmers!

I think it's safe to say that most computer folks are probably
anti-establishment (& anti-church), but probably not not anti-spiritual.  A
lot of the hackers in the 60's and 70's where hippies. Most are probably not
very extroverted and consequently suspicious of anything organized, or like
to play games with languages (both human and computer).  You can see this
language play in perl programmers...

In my opinion, the religious themes in linux (or for that matter computer
science) is pretty trivial and purely for fun. There's also the whole "I am
God" mentality for sysadmins and programmers (compare Torvalds opening line
at a user's group meeting: "I am your God").  If you've ever looked through
enough source code you'll find a ton of allusions to The Lord of the Rings
(admittedly a book based on religious themes).

Western Religion is part of our cultural and literary history here in
America and Europe whether you are a church-goer or not, so they are bound
to show up in some variation in our contemporary lives and consequently in
Linux.

(ps: this thread could go south really fast, we should be careful not to
translate "religion" to mean "Catholicism" or "Protestantism" or etc...
"religio" means "to link back" and there is a reason why the word religion
is used to address these themes that are much larger than Catholicism,
Buddhism, etc...  What I am getting at is becareful to think that there is a
Christian sentiment running through Linux, but rather what seems religious
is rather a play on ideas that represent the big primal themes and symbology
that humans have had to deal with since the beginning.)




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Re: [newbie] Re: ppp thread

[Tom Brinkman]

On Tuesday 14 August 2001 11:04 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> << quoting skinky:  "I slow my connection right down to 19200 bps (it
> connects at the higher speeds but is much slower)" >>
>
> Could someone explain that to me?  How can I tell what my optimum
> connection speed is? 

Trial and error.  Usually the best gauge is the average transfer 
rates you get when d/l'ing a large file(s), but even that is subject 
to, among many other things, the ftp server you connect to and the 
routes in between you and them. If you use Kppp you can click on 
'Details' and watch the graph. Many d/l agents also display current and 
average speed. Usually in bytes/sec, ie, 56K is 56,000 bits/sec. 
'Course that can never be attained, best is about 53,000, and more 
likely around 48,000 at best.

 Not all bits are used for data, some, sometimes many are used for 
modem acknowledgements of whether the data was properly received or not 
(acks - noacks, etc). The 'handshake' speed to see when you first 
connect is only what speed the modems agreed to begin with under the 
best condition, connecting directly to your ISP. After that it goes up 
and down, often quite drastically which is normal. 

You can get a wealth of info on tuning your connection from a 
Google search.  For most dialup users it'll probly center around 
adjusting 'mtu' and 'mru'. These can be added as arguments in Kppp, 
usually 576 or 296. Default is ~1500. My experience has always been 
that there's little or nothin to gain and often tweaking from the 
defaults is maybe steadier, but often slower.

 All the above is a gross oversimplification as you'll soon see 
from a Google search.  I'll leave it to y'all to be creative in what 
search terms you use ;>   Hint: I've already given you some, and you 
can get a few more in Kppp's 'Details'
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[newbie] SMTP Server advice / help

[Jamie Kerwick]

Basically i want to use my home PC as a mail server. Now there are 2 
problems i have, my PC is only on a dial-up connection and as such doesn't 
have a stable IP or a proper domain name registered for it. now the main 
thing is that i want to be able to use it no matter what internet connection 
i am using. I don't plan on having an open relay i want to make it 
neccessary to log into the smtp server, how would i go about doing that??

any adivce would be great thanks

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RE: [newbie] HEY, NO SPAMMING

[Jesse Hepburn]

Now here's something that I find amusing.  The guy who actually spammed
only sent on email...fine, I can handle that, but then everybody starts
sending anti-spam emails (and thus spamming everybody), and now we're
all supposed to spam the webmaster to take action against the spammer?

--Jesse

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jason Guidry
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:04 PM
To: Linux-Mandrake Newbie (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [newbie] HEY, NO SPAMMING

I contacted the webmaster at his domain.  mandrake claims to "go after"
people who spam people on this list.  I think if we all write a letter
to
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Re: [newbie] 2.4.7 kernel

[Naka Gadjov]

>
>
> I understand that the 2.4.3-20mdk does only support ATA-33 - going by the
> few comments made on this list.  Ho hum, overall I'm not that worried
> about my hd transfer speed (its not too noticeable) but of course it would
> be nice to have things running as they're supposed to.
>

I wrote at the begining of this thread

"I think that hdparm switched modes on disk correctly,
but the kernels (up to 2.4.x) at this time still using UDA33
internally."
,
but i am not sure about it.
i only now it seems there is no difference between UDA33-66-100.
By the way maximum speed in one system is determine by the tightest
place into
it.
so where is this place?

please try other tests
1. bonnie -s 500(test file must be big 500mb and  more, default is
100mb
and not precise because depends of disk cache in linux)
2. iozone

under UDA33-66-100
UDA33 --- hdparm -X66 /dev/hda
UDA66 --- hdparm -X68 /dev/hda
UDA100 ---hdparm -X69 /dev/hda

Regards, Naka
 
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cable.
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[newbie] UDA33-66-100

[Naka Gadjov]

>
>
> I understand that the 2.4.3-20mdk does only support ATA-33 - going by the
> few comments made on this list.  Ho hum, overall I'm not that worried
> about my hd transfer speed (its not too noticeable) but of course it would
> be nice to have things running as they're supposed to.
>

I wrote at the begining of thread "2.4.7 kernel"

"I think that hdparm switched modes on disk correctly,
but the kernels (up to 2.4.x) at this time still using UDA33
internally."
,
but i am not sure about it.
i only now it seems there is no difference between UDA33-66-100.
By the way maximum speed in one system is determine by the tightest
place into
it.
so where is this place?

please try other tests
1. bonnie -s 500
(test file must be big 500mb and  more, default is 100mb
and it is not precise because depends of disk cache in linux)
2. iozone

under UDA33-66-100
UDA33 --- hdparm -X66 /dev/hda
UDA66 --- hdparm -X68 /dev/hda
UDA100 ---hdparm -X69 /dev/hda

Regards, Naka
 
PS: use ide0=ata66 in kernel boot parameters to force using 80 conductor
cable.
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Re: [newbie] reiser vs.ext2

[skinky]

On Thursday 16 August 2001 00:09, you wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:22, Paul wrote:
> > > ReiserFS still has some issues with RAID and with certain NFS
> > > configurations. For ordinary home use (i.e. one desktop system or a
> > > small LAN) you should be fine. Apparently XFS (not officially
> > > supported by MandrakeSoft) is the best filesystem for SMB (e.g.
> > > Samba) setups.
> > >
> > > Ext2 was designed to be a very extensible filesystem, with 'hooks'
> > > allowing other functions to be added. There are projects out there
> > > that add features like NTFS-style compression to Ext2. Ext3 is
> > > essentially Ext2 with journalling added. Because of this, Ext2 can
> > > be upgraded to Ext3 with no data loss. As Tom suggested, however, a
> > > backup is still advisable.
> >
> > Backups are always advisable (I am a backup paranoid ;)
>
> Oh yeah :-)
>
> > A question though: what is the explicit advantage of a journalling FS?
> > Is it faster? More efficient?
> > Is it just the way that it prevents data corruption in case of a power
> > outage?
>
> A Journalling FS is simply a FS that sets aside a small part of space
> for logging writes so that it can roll-back when an error (from a power
> surge, for example) occurs. This is a feature that is shared by
> filesystems like ReiserFS, Ext3 and JFS.
>
> The Filesystems HOWTO (available at LinuxDoc.org) states that
> journalling FSs sacrifice some speed for much reliability. It must be
> noted, however, that this was written a while ago, and today's
> journalling FSs are quite fast, due to superior design. In tests,
> ReiserFS has proven itself to be at least as fast as Ext2 for
> ordinary-size files, and much faster for small files. This, however, is
> due to other innovations besides journalling. ReiserFS has no concept of
> blocks/clusters as Ext2 does, and so it has no cluster wastage and no
> fragmentation. This increases efficiency in space, speed and
> reliability.
>
> > In the 2+ years that I am (happily) running Linux (all ext2 disks) I
> > have had this happen only 3 times, and each time things came up nice
> > again after the automatic fsck's.
>
> Ext2 is quite a resiliant filesystem, but nowhere near as resiliant as a
> good journalling one. FSCKs can sometimes damage data (like Scandisc can
> in DOS), since what they are doing requires some clever guesstimation. A
> journalling FS can rely on its log, and so can recover much more quickly
> and reliably.

Thanks, Sridhar, for sharing your wisdom!  All the info you have shared in 
thread alone (not to mention the rest) is very much appreciated (by me at 
least and I'm sure by everyone else on the list).

This has got to be the best mailing list yet.  ;-)

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RE: [newbie] HEY, NO SPAMMING

[Jason Guidry]

I contacted the webmaster at his domain.  mandrake claims to "go after"
people who spam people on this list.  I think if we all write a letter to
the webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, that should take care of it.




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Re: [newbie] SPAM

[Michael F. Aube]

Actually...

SPAM is a "lovely" meat *food* product that comes vacuum-packed in a tin. 
The taste is so wonderful, it can be used at practically any (non-kosher)
meal in combination with any other *food* product.  SPAM is a first cousin
to the good old Christmas fruitcake, commonly known as a paperweight,
doorstop, or just "brick".  To get the full gist of what SPAM really
entails, you need to sit yourself down with the entire Monty Python's
Flying Circus video library... 'Nuff said there. 

Hence the term "SPAM" has been stretched (nice visual image there folks!)
to include all that lovely unsolicited email that knowone really wanted in
the first place.

Have a nice day,

Mike
--- Robert MacLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> SPAM is any unsolicetied, unwanted mail that is sent in bulk/to
> multiple recipients.
> 
> I didn't want the trash that CHris Harvey sent, nor did I request it
> and it was sent in bulk (via the Newbie list) thus it is SPAM.
> 
> Robert MacLean
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:59 AM
> Subject: [newbie] SPAM
> 
> 
> > Could someone define what spam is for me? That is is there a
> dictionary definition for Spam.
> > I thought spam was sending e-mail that someone is trying to sell me
> something or someone sending me repeated e-mail even when I have asked
> them not to.
> >
> >
> > Get your own FREE E-mail address at http://www.linuxfreemail.com
> > Linux FREE Mail is 100% FREE, 100% Linux, and 100% yours!
> >
> >
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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> 
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[newbie] Ess56PI modem installation failure

[Hugh]

Hi,mandrake linux users and specialists,
  I encouter difficulty while installing my Ess56PI modem.The Ess2898 chip based 
internal PCI modem is not that sort of winmodem.It's installed in PCI slot 4 using IRQ 
11.It works just well under win98 and win2k.
After installing mandrake linux 7.0 ,I login by root and change  to  modem driver's 
directory.Then type "sh mdminstall" command under a terminal window to launch the 
setup script .However the system reports these information on the screen as follows:
rmmod :module esscom not loaded
/esscom.o:kernel-module version mismatch
/esscom.o was compiled for kernel version 2.25-15
while this kernel is version 2.2.14-15 mdk

It really seems a paradox.I use "lsmod" to view the moduls resident in RAM,esscom.o is 
non-existent for sure.Finally I run "modprobe" command to try to load the module 
manually,but the system says it can't find esscom module whatsoever.I appreciate any 
hints available by you.
My PC hardware configuration:Pentium MMX 233 (oc 262.5,ie 75*3),160 M ram,trident 9750 
image
PCI video adapter  with 4M ram,ST 3.2G hard disk,PCchips brand Ali1531/1533 chipset 
based motherboard(I don't know its ID),Yamaha 718 ISA soundcard.
PNP is diabled  in bios.no hardware conflict.By the way the modem occupies com4 under 
win98 and occupies com3 under win2000.How to explain this thing?
Previously I once installed winlinux2000.It can detect the Essmodem but still the same 
situation presented as above.
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[newbie] SPAM

[johnix]

I'm sorry I didn't know the situation. It sounds to me like this was not a mistake. I 
have made mistakes sending mail. I would apoligize for shure plus it would not be 
multiple or bulk. You are right that the newbie list is not the place for it. No place 
is the place for SPAM.

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Re: [newbie] religion in Linux?!

[Charles Punch]

Thanx (err, I mean thanks). I stand corrected. However, I think you may
have missed my point. With all due respect to Mr. Bourne and Mr.
Webster, my point was not about the history of Linux, nor about the
technical aspects of spelling in regard to that noble end. Even though
this is a newbie list, I assumed it was understood that I was speaking
of the second part of a double meaning or a pun on on Mr. Bourne's name.
If there were no double meaning implied, bash could just as well have
been named "sbSHell" (for second Bourne Shell) or "bSHell2." Even in the
secular vernacular, the term "Born Again" is well known. 
Actually it is a misnomer. The proper term is "born of the Spirit" or
born from above. Since we were discussing the possibility of spiritual
roots in Linux, I thought we were already established in the technical,
at least of the particulars being discussed, if not in the basic
knowledge which anyone who has read past the table of contents in most
manuels would have aquired. It would seem to me, that if someone were
looking into whether there is a possibility of religious roots in
"daemons" and "ncurses," that they must have at least a basic working
knowledge of Linux. I am no expert myself, but I wouldn't try to get
spiritual meaning out of something that I don't understand the basic
essentials of. The main point I was trying to make is that, to
understand spirituality (in any arena), one must get past lables, catch
phrases and buzz words. Spirituality, in our time, has become a seperate
entity from the rest of our lives. I think it is time we re-connected
it. The book I mentioned is written from that point of view. It was a
great comfort to know that someone else is thinking along those same
lines.

ShalomOut
  Chal
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> 
> > As long as were digging deep into the spiritual side, BASH stands for
> > "born again shell." It seems to me that these kind of things are just a
> > result of people naming things from the vernacular.
> 
> Beg to differ... It is Bourne Again SHell.
> The original Bourne shell had some strange things in it, and someone improved
> that.
> The original Bourne shell was written by a mr. Bourne, and it incorporates
> the goodies of csh and ksh.
> Paul
> 
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Re: [newbie] SPAM

[Robert MacLean]

Hi

SPAM is any unsolicetied, unwanted mail that is sent in bulk/to
multiple recipients.

I didn't want the trash that CHris Harvey sent, nor did I request it
and it was sent in bulk (via the Newbie list) thus it is SPAM.

Robert MacLean

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:59 AM
Subject: [newbie] SPAM


> Could someone define what spam is for me? That is is there a
dictionary definition for Spam.
> I thought spam was sending e-mail that someone is trying to sell me
something or someone sending me repeated e-mail even when I have asked
them not to.
>
>
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[newbie] SPAM

[johnix]

Could someone define what spam is for me? That is is there a dictionary definition for 
Spam.
I thought spam was sending e-mail that someone is trying to sell me something or 
someone sending me repeated e-mail even when I have asked them not to.


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Re: [newbie] HEY, NO SPAMMING

[Robert MacLean]

Hi

If Chris Harvey made a mistake why doesn't he apologise?
But I agree with Adam that SPAM shouldn't be tolerated, its annoying
and time consuming.
And the newbie list is not the place for it.

Robert MacLean
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] HEY, NO SPAMMING


> At Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:13:37 -0500 , "Adam Willcox"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I got an e-mail from Chris Harvey that was bounced from the
mandrake mailing
> >list server.  In my opinion he should be immediately terminated
from the
> >forum for abusing it in such a gross manner.
> >
> >
> >I can't help but to wonder if Chris Harvey made an innocent
mistake.
> We are newbie's here. You don't seem verry understanding and it
seems you don't know how to delete.
> But maybe I'm wrong.
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[newbie] d-link dfe-570tx quad channel server card

[Jhun Bacala]

HI All!

I have a new machine P-III 1Ghz with 1 GB of memory and a D-link dfe-570tx 
quad channel server card. I'm having problem with the D-link card it's not 
working. I get an error on booting "unknown bridge resource 2:assuming 
transparent"

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Re: [newbie] HEY, NO SPAMMING

[johnix]

At Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:13:37 -0500 , "Adam Willcox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

>I got an e-mail from Chris Harvey that was bounced from the mandrake mailing
>list server.  In my opinion he should be immediately terminated from the
>forum for abusing it in such a gross manner.
>
>
>I can't help but to wonder if Chris Harvey made an innocent mistake.
We are newbie's here. You don't seem verry understanding and it seems you don't know 
how to delete.
But maybe I'm wrong.

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Re: [newbie] su-incorrect password

[Peter Watson]

I had this as well . I think it is to do with security levels because on a 
lower level I can su okay.


petew  


On Thursday 16 August 2001 05:32, Scott Olfert wrote:
> Hey guys, wondering if you can help me w/ this problem.  I've searched for
> an answer, but i couldn't seem to find much of one.
>
> When trying to su from my user account to root, i get incorrect password
> error.  However, i am certain that the root password i'm entering is
> correct, as i can log in under root if i logout/login.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> scott


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Re: [newbie] reiser vs.ext2

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 03:02, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 August 2001 12:41 am, James S Bear wrote:
> > I've been listening to your file system talks and have come to the
> > conclusion that reiser is better.  Is it not for any reason?
>
> The main reasons are, ReiserFS has a longer track record with Linux
> than other journalling FS's, and in the event of a hard reboot without
> properly shutting down it quickly restores itself without corruption
> (90+% of the time).  This makes it very attractive for use on problem
> systems or those without an UPS.

ReiserFS still has some issues with RAID and with certain NFS configurations. 
For ordinary home use (i.e. one desktop system or a small LAN) you should be 
fine. Apparently XFS (not officially supported by MandrakeSoft) is the best 
filesystem for SMB (e.g. Samba) setups.

>  I have
>
> > a bunch of machines all formatted ext2.  Is there a way to convert it
> > to reiser without reformatting?
>
> No, you'll have to wipe the partitions and then format them as
> ReiserFS during your re-install.  AFAIK, the only journaling FS you can
> upgrade existing ext2 partitions to is ext3.  'Course even then a full
> backup would be advisable. So why not then just format ReiserFS and
> restore the system(s) from backup?

Ext2 was designed to be a very extensible filesystem, with 'hooks' allowing 
other functions to be added. There are projects out there that add features 
like NTFS-style compression to Ext2. Ext3 is essentially Ext2 with 
journalling added. Because of this, Ext2 can be upgraded to Ext3 with no data 
loss. As Tom suggested, however, a backup is still advisable.

-- 
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Re: [newbie] Is postfix really neccesary?

[Paul]

> I know postfix is some kind of mail server.  Is their anything else it 
> does?  Why is it installed by default on workstations?  Is it ok to 
> uninstall it?

Postfix is used by Cron (which does all kind of work for you) to send you mails on what
went wrong. You can uninstall it, and never know what goes wrong in maintenance jobs. 
Not
everyone cares.
If you are happy connecting to the pop3/imap and smtp servers of your ISP, that would 
be
okay.
I wouldn't uninstall postfix though.
Paul




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