[newbie] Big5 or Mandrake in the land of Formosa.

[Ma Anguo]

Frank Chen banged on their keyboard and produced the following arrangement of 
letters:
| That may be caused from my choosing a font to display my letter, and the
| encoding is big5!
| Frank

Hi Frank!

nice to see that there is someone else from the Republic of China on this 
list using Mandrake (8.0?).

Do you use xcin?
I don't find it user friendly and the input box is too small so I don't see 
the characters that  I am typing. As a result I avoid typing in chinese... 
I am getting lazy. 

Do you know if there is a way to use Unicode instead of big5...?
I need unicode badly but xcin doesn't support it. 

Also, can you print anything in chinese with mandrake 8.0?
I can't but Civileme told me that it wouldn't be a problem with 8.1.

Do you still use Micrappysoft? 
I don't anymore. I don't even have it. 
I use linux mandrake for everything and nothing else for the rest...

Do you use mandrake as a web server only?


I live in Taichung. 


Nice to meet you,


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Re: [newbie] mplayer

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:23, David E. Fox wrote:
> > Please note that mplayers web site says that soon the Windoze codecs will
> > be phased out for an (better) open source solution. (can't wait)
>
> Does mplayer work better than aviplay or divx or the other stuff that's
> out there?

Unlike other players, MPlayer has focussed almost exclusively on video 
quality. Other projects have also created GUIs, skins, and other fancy things 
that people don't really need. MPlayer has tried very hard to ensure perfect 
audio/video sync and to provide a wide range of playing options, at the 
expense of user-friendliness (everything is keyboard-based). This has given 
it superior quality to other players. A GUI is in the works (created by 
somebody else), and according to the MPlayer website will be merged with the 
player "SOON".

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan.
"There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
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[newbie] Simple eth0 question

[Jon Doe]

Ok, I have a cable modem hooked to eth0. I do "ifdown eth0" this should 
shutoff my internet connection right? If this is true, why does my cable 
modems "data" light still flash?



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Re: [newbie] mplayer

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:34, David E. Fox wrote:
> > use GCC 2.96 because it does not support MMX, but in my computer the
> > mplayer works perfectly, eventhough my GCCis 2.96.
>
> They may be referring to the gcc 2.96 built by Red Hat specifically, and
> not a generic build (or mandrake) of 2.96. Mine is 2.96 as well and
> compilation went smoothly. Once I got the win32 codecs installed in the
> right place, it seems to work all right.
>
> It does say not to submit bug reports if you disable the gcc checking, so
> caveat emptor :).

Red Hat's GCC is _not_, as some will tell you, buggy. It is just fussier and 
less forgiving with code. Mandrake's GCC is a pruning from the (then 
unfinished) GCC 3.0 tree. It was called 2.96 simply because the number had 
been vacated by the GCC developers (to avoid confusion with Red Hat's 
version). In other words, Mandrake does not use Red Hat's GCC. MPlayer works 
flawlessly in Mandrake 8.0 when configured with the --disable-gcc-checking 
flag before compilation.

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[newbie] CD/RW drive - using...

[Paul H Upton]

Just got my cd/rw drive running under Mandrake 8. All I need to do now is
figure out how to use it!

I want to be able to copy other cd's and backup data on to them too. I have
found the tools on webmin but cant figure them out... I'm working remotely
across an ssh session as the Linux box is located in the garage

Any thoughts?

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Re: [newbie] No Sound for CD

[Ton Strijbosch]

On Sunday 26 August 2001 06:35, Matthew Harrison wrote:
> Hey Gang,
>   Slight problem.  When I try to play a cd using CD Player, I get no sound
>
> >from the cd even though it says its playing.  But, I get sound from KDE
>
> themes and whatnot.  I have a SoundBlaster Live! Platinum 5.1 running on a
> 700 Celeron, 392 mb ram, a 20 gig HD running Win2k Pro, and a 15 gig
> partitioned into a 10 gig from backup of the win2k part, and 5 gigs for
> Linux, Mandrake 8.0 btw.  Now the computer is a Blaster PC from
> Tigerdirect.com incase anyone is familiar with that PC, and the DVD Drive's
> audio cable is hooked into a digital port and I am thinking myself that my
> problem lies there.  Any help?
>
> Matt


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Hi,

Is the small cable from audio out of the DVD-player to the soundcard 
connected? For CD players this is needed to play audio CD's. Do audio  CD's 
play correctly under Win2K?

Ton



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[newbie] No Sound for CD

[Matthew Harrison]

Hey Gang,
  Slight problem.  When I try to play a cd using CD Player, I get no sound 
from the cd even though it says its playing.  But, I get sound from KDE 
themes and whatnot.  I have a SoundBlaster Live! Platinum 5.1 running on a 
700 Celeron, 392 mb ram, a 20 gig HD running Win2k Pro, and a 15 gig 
partitioned into a 10 gig from backup of the win2k part, and 5 gigs for 
Linux, Mandrake 8.0 btw.  Now the computer is a Blaster PC from 
Tigerdirect.com incase anyone is familiar with that PC, and the DVD Drive's 
audio cable is hooked into a digital port and I am thinking myself that my 
problem lies there.  Any help?

Matt



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Re: [newbie] rsync return value

[civileme]

On Saturday 25 August 2001 06:00, bascule wrote:
> does anyone know if there is a return value when running rsync that i can
> use in a script that i want to write that will update my local copy of
> cooker and then run urpmi.addmedia --update but only if rsync changes
> anything
>
> make sense?
> i've just started reading up on shell scripts, i don't know how to find out
> this info about progs
>
> bascule

just in general bash programs return a 0 on success and some other number on failure


However this would not tell you if anything was added or not.  You might have to parse 
the tail
of a log file for that information.

Civileme



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[newbie] rsync return value

[bascule]

does anyone know if there is a return value when running rsync that i can use 
in a script that i want to write that will update my local copy of cooker and 
then run urpmi.addmedia --update but only if rsync changes anything

make sense?
i've just started reading up on shell scripts, i don't know how to find out 
this info about progs

bascule



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Re: [newbie] X session do not work

[civileme]

On Sunday 26 August 2001 06:03, Gabriel Arcos wrote:
> hummm  I do all the fonts information with mkfontdir  and then try to
> restart xfs but faild to restart, I try to view the status with service xfs
> status but tell me xfs do not exist but pid file exist. then, I use service
> xfs start and all looks OK but when I try to get the status again the same
> error. I try to stop xfs and nothing failed again. what is happenig???
>
Hmmm the next step is to run

XFdrake

And set up your X again.

If you are facing disk corruption, likely nothing will work for very long.

Civileme



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Re: [newbie] Well, Hell - hey Civileme!

[civileme]

On Sunday 26 August 2001 03:33, John Simmons wrote:
> At 02:34 AM 8/26/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >cat /etc/resolv.conf
>
> # search satx.rr.com
> search viewplan

^^^   nameserver 24.28.131.114
> nameserver 24.28.131.113
>
> # ppp temp entry
>
> >lsmod
>
> Oops, forgot this one... :-)
>
> >cat /etc/modules.conf
>
> pre-install pcmcia_core CARDMGR_OPTS=-f /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start
> alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1
> alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx

^  may be necessary to change that to aic7xxx_old if 
you have 
SCSI errors or extreme slowness reported.

> alias eth0 tulip
>
>

That is it--should work when your resolver has something wholesome to cherw on, like 
the IPs of
the nameservers instead of a nonexistent and malformed domain to search.

Civileme

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> lies ("You'll never need more than 64K"),
> damn lies ("Windows is more stable than Linux"), and
> press releases ("It will be released as scheduled").
>
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>   http://www.paddedwall.org/john
>
>   John Simmons (Barbarian Diecast Collector)
>   http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast/diecast_index.html
>
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Re: [newbie] X session do not work

[Gabriel Arcos]

hummm  I do all the fonts information with mkfontdir  and then try to
restart xfs but faild to restart, I try to view the status with service xfs
status but tell me xfs do not exist but pid file exist. then, I use service
xfs start and all looks OK but when I try to get the status again the same
error. I try to stop xfs and nothing failed again. what is happenig???

- Original Message -
From: "Gabriel Arcos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] X session do not work


> I reinstall xfs as you told me but still don't working, after X fail to
get
> up the system tell me:
>
> Press  to continue
> INIT: switching to runlevel 3
> INIT: Sending process the TERM signal
> - Original Message -
> From: "civileme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gabriel Arcos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [newbie] X session do not work
>
>
> > On Saturday 25 August 2001 18:08, Gabriel Arcos wrote:
> > > well X font server looks working OK. I don't know if this is importan
> but
> > > yesterday I build gcc 3.0.1, before installation I had 300MB of free
> space
> > > in /  maybe gcc get all this space?. I review the error and the last
> thing
> > > it report is:
> > >
> > > XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
> after
> > > 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaing.
> > >
> > > another error I get, but this one I get all the time but the system
work
> > > fine allways is:
> > >
> > > hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 {DriveStatusError BadCRC}
> > > hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error}
> >
> >   Ummm there is only one brand of drive that would give
you
> that error, and
> > still be (mostly) OK.  The rest would be warning you of impending doom.
> >
> > What has happened is that /root/tmp/.fonts-X11 got  deleted while X was
> running.
> >
> > Reinstall your font server.  rpm -e XFree86-xfs-4.0.3-7mdk then
> > rpm -ivh XFree86-xfs-4.0.3-7mdk.i586.rpm
> >
> >
> > And start thinking about getting a good drive instead of that WD.
> >
> > Civileme
> >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:50 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [newbie] X session do not work
> > >
> > > > It was Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:13:17 -0400 when Gabriel Arcos wrote:
> > > > >Hi, I get the following error while X session try to get open:
> > > > > "could
> > >
> > > not
> > >
> > > > >open default font 'fixed'" and session shutdown. I try to fixed
with
> > >
> > > XFdrake
> > >
> > > > >but still no working. How can I fix this problem?
> > > >
> > > > Looks like xfs (X Font Server) is not running. Usually a reboot will
> > > > help,
> > >
> > > but
> > >
> > > > I have the feeling that you already tried that.
> > > > I believe that it is a service, so perhaps
> > > >
> > > > service xfs start
> > > >
> > > > helps here
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Acceptance of what happened is the first step
> > > > to overcoming the consequence of any misfortune.
> > > > -William James
> > > >
> > > > http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403
> > > >  Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.5.3
> > >
> >
>
> --
> -
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Re: [newbie] X session do not work

[Gabriel Arcos]

I reinstall xfs as you told me but still don't working, after X fail to get
up the system tell me:

Press  to continue
INIT: switching to runlevel 3
INIT: Sending process the TERM signal
- Original Message -
From: "civileme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gabriel Arcos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] X session do not work


> On Saturday 25 August 2001 18:08, Gabriel Arcos wrote:
> > well X font server looks working OK. I don't know if this is importan
but
> > yesterday I build gcc 3.0.1, before installation I had 300MB of free
space
> > in /  maybe gcc get all this space?. I review the error and the last
thing
> > it report is:
> >
> > XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
after
> > 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaing.
> >
> > another error I get, but this one I get all the time but the system work
> > fine allways is:
> >
> > hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 {DriveStatusError BadCRC}
> > hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error}
>
>   Ummm there is only one brand of drive that would give you
that error, and
> still be (mostly) OK.  The rest would be warning you of impending doom.
>
> What has happened is that /root/tmp/.fonts-X11 got  deleted while X was
running.
>
> Reinstall your font server.  rpm -e XFree86-xfs-4.0.3-7mdk then
> rpm -ivh XFree86-xfs-4.0.3-7mdk.i586.rpm
>
>
> And start thinking about getting a good drive instead of that WD.
>
> Civileme
>
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [newbie] X session do not work
> >
> > > It was Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:13:17 -0400 when Gabriel Arcos wrote:
> > > >Hi, I get the following error while X session try to get open:
> > > > "could
> >
> > not
> >
> > > >open default font 'fixed'" and session shutdown. I try to fixed with
> >
> > XFdrake
> >
> > > >but still no working. How can I fix this problem?
> > >
> > > Looks like xfs (X Font Server) is not running. Usually a reboot will
> > > help,
> >
> > but
> >
> > > I have the feeling that you already tried that.
> > > I believe that it is a service, so perhaps
> > >
> > > service xfs start
> > >
> > > helps here
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > --
> > > Acceptance of what happened is the first step
> > > to overcoming the consequence of any misfortune.
> > > -William James
> > >
> > > http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403
> > >  Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.5.3
> >
>
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Re: [newbie] Stystem Menu

[Frank Chen]

Hi:

That may be caused from my choosing a font to display my letter, and the
encoding is big5!

I'll choose western charsets afterwards.

Frank

- Original Message -
From: "Idea.ListBT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Stystem Menu


> It must be my OE (though I've never seen this before) because
> I've also read an older message from Pascal Goguey and this
> invites me to download a Japanese font!  Pascal? - Japanese? -
> Nah!
> (I think I may have been 'got at').
>
> Dave, I wannabe a Penguin head too, S.
> idea.list
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Carroll Grigsby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Stystem Menu
>
>
> >
> > Gee, and I thought that HTML messages were only a problem for
> us penguin
> > heads. (See Just Wondering thread for further details.) One
> interesting
> > note: This message didn't cause me any problems at all! Maybe
> Netscape
> > isn't so bad.
> > Carroll
> >
> >
>
>
> 
> 
>
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[newbie] looking everywhere for urpmi help

[Jason Guidry]

`i've read everything I can get my hands on involving urpmi.* including
man pages and list postings

nothing i've done will add the rpms on the web to my rpm list.

ive tried the following...

[root@localhost jasong]# urpmi.addmedia RPMfind http://www.rpmfind.net

and I get the following...


--20:45:35--  http://www.rpmfind.net/descriptions
   => `/var/cache/urpmi/partial/descriptions'
Connecting to www.rpmfind.net:80... connected!
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
20:45:36 ERROR 404: Not Found.

--20:45:36--  http://www.rpmfind.net/
   => `/var/cache/urpmi/partial/index.html'
Connecting to www.rpmfind.net:80... connected!
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 7,760 [text/html]
Server file no newer than local file
`/var/cache/urpmi/partial/index.html' -- not retrieving.

no hdlist file found for medium "RPMfind"
unable to update medium "RPMfind"

is this becuse i need to enter in a different url?  any reccomendations?
this is about to give me a coronary.





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Re: [newbie] mplayer

[David E. Fox]

> use GCC 2.96 because it does not support MMX, but in my computer the
> mplayer works perfectly, eventhough my GCCis 2.96.

They may be referring to the gcc 2.96 built by Red Hat specifically, and
not a generic build (or mandrake) of 2.96. Mine is 2.96 as well and 
compilation went smoothly. Once I got the win32 codecs installed in the
right place, it seems to work all right.

It does say not to submit bug reports if you disable the gcc checking, so
caveat emptor :). 


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Re: [newbie] Resending question 2

[Hugh Cecil]

On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:59:19 +0300
"Solver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A question then. Can Linux users get HTML stuff, like newsletters, under
> KMAIL, or must they choose Plain Text?
> Solver

You shouldn't want to use HTML mail. People shift to Linux to get away
from all that crap. See the links below.

Why Microsoft hates plaintext email:
http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/080801.html

PlainText rules for the same reason the paper rules -- because it is not
dependent on anybody for its dissimilation:
http://www.kamat.com/vikas/blog.php?date=8/10/2001

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Re: [newbie] Well, Hell - hey Civileme!

[John Simmons]

At 02:34 AM 8/26/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>cat /etc/resolv.conf

# search satx.rr.com
search viewplan
nameserver 24.28.131.114
nameserver 24.28.131.113

# ppp temp entry


>lsmod


Oops, forgot this one... :-)


>cat /etc/modules.conf


pre-install pcmcia_core CARDMGR_OPTS=-f /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start
alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1
alias scsi_hostadapter aic7xxx
alias eth0 tulip


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lies ("You'll never need more than 64K"),
damn lies ("Windows is more stable than Linux"), and
press releases ("It will be released as scheduled").

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  http://www.paddedwall.org/john

  John Simmons (Barbarian Diecast Collector)
  http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast/diecast_index.html

  DeMONS/2, Nascar 4 Online Race Scheduler
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Re: [newbie] Well, Hell - hey Civileme!

[civileme]

On Saturday 25 August 2001 19:32, John Simmons wrote:
> As promised, here's the results of running those commandline tools:
>
> This is after a clean re-install (including re-partitioning the drive) of
> LM 8.0.  I haven't installed anything else, haven't changed any of the
> settings from how they were installed, and STILL can't do anything but
> ping.
>
> Also, none of the server stuff was installed, and I did NOT change the list
> of packages that were installed.
>
> So, why can't I browse with a browser (any of them, including lynx),
> telnet, or use IRC?
>
> At 06:12 PM 8/25/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >I'll reboot into LM and capture the output for the following items and
> >then send another email to the list with the results:
> >
> >ifconfig
>
> eth0   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:A0:CC:41:9A:42
> inet addr:192.168.1.2  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> RX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
> RX bytes:308 (308.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
> Interrupt:11 Base address:0xe800
> lo Link encap:Local Loopback
> inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
> UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
> RX packets:28 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> TX packets:28 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
> RX bytes:1960 (1.9 Kb)  TX bytes:1960 (1.9 Kb)
>
> >netstat -rn
>
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination  Gateway  GenmaskFlags  MSS  Window  irtt Iface
> 192.168.1.0  0.0.0.0  255.255.255.0  U   40  0  0 eth0
> 127.0.0.00.0.0.0  255.0.0.0  U   40  0  0 lo
> 0.0.0.0  192.168.1.1  0.0.0.0UG  40  0  0 eth0
>
> >cat /etc/sysconfig/network
>
> NETWORKING=yes
> FORWARD_IPV4=no
> HOSTNAME=chaos.viewplan
> DOMAINNAME=viewplan
> GATEWAY=192.168.1.1
> GATEWAYDEV=eth0
>
>
What says

cat /etc/resolv.conf

lsmod

cat /etc/modules.conf

???

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Re: [newbie] X session do not work

[civileme]

On Saturday 25 August 2001 18:08, Gabriel Arcos wrote:
> well X font server looks working OK. I don't know if this is importan but
> yesterday I build gcc 3.0.1, before installation I had 300MB of free space
> in /  maybe gcc get all this space?. I review the error and the last thing
> it report is:
>
> XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after
> 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaing.
>
> another error I get, but this one I get all the time but the system work
> fine allways is:
>
> hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 {DriveStatusError BadCRC}
> hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error}

  Ummm there is only one brand of drive that would give you that error, 
and
still be (mostly) OK.  The rest would be warning you of impending doom.

What has happened is that /root/tmp/.fonts-X11 got  deleted while X was running.

Reinstall your font server.  rpm -e XFree86-xfs-4.0.3-7mdk then
rpm -ivh XFree86-xfs-4.0.3-7mdk.i586.rpm


And start thinking about getting a good drive instead of that WD.

Civileme

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [newbie] X session do not work
>
> > It was Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:13:17 -0400 when Gabriel Arcos wrote:
> > >Hi, I get the following error while X session try to get open:
> > > "could
>
> not
>
> > >open default font 'fixed'" and session shutdown. I try to fixed with
>
> XFdrake
>
> > >but still no working. How can I fix this problem?
> >
> > Looks like xfs (X Font Server) is not running. Usually a reboot will
> > help,
>
> but
>
> > I have the feeling that you already tried that.
> > I believe that it is a service, so perhaps
> >
> > service xfs start
> >
> > helps here
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --
> > Acceptance of what happened is the first step
> > to overcoming the consequence of any misfortune.
> > -William James
> >
> > http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403
> >  Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.5.3
>
> ---
>- 
>
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Re: [newbie] mplayer

[David E. Fox]

> Please note that mplayers web site says that soon the Windoze codecs will be
> phased out for an (better) open source solution. (can't wait)

Does mplayer work better than aviplay or divx or the other stuff that's
out there?


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Re: [newbie] Mailing list in spanish ..De acuedo

[Nicolás Gómez]

100% de acuerdo



- Original Message -
From: "geRcO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:09 AM
Subject: [newbie] Mailing list in spanish ..De acuedo


> Yo tambien me adhiero a la propuesta !!!
> donde me inscribo ???
>
>
> geRcO
>
>
> El Sáb 18 Ago 2001 15:15, escribiste:
> > Yo tambien estoy de acuerdo!!
> >
> > donde me inscribo!
> >
> >
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: Gabriel Arcos
> >   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:53 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [newbie] Mailing list in Spanish.
> >
> >
> >   Yo estoy de acuerdo donde hay que anotarse :)
> >
> >   A quien hay que escribirle para ver si mandrake nos abre la lista?
> > - Original Message -
> > From: X - A - W - K
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 1:40 AM
> > Subject: [newbie] Mailing list in Spanish.
> >
> >
> > Hola,
> >
> > Se nota que hay bastante gente que habla español en la lista.
> >
> > A lo mejor se podría hacer nuestra propia lista como la tienen los
> > italianos
> >
> > Qué piensan?
> >
> > X - A - W - K
> >
>
> --
-
> >-
> >
> > Jest niezly ... i liscik napisze
> > OnetKomunikator [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ]
> >
>
> --
-
> >-
>
> 
> Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Adjuntos: 1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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>
>






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Re: [newbie] Well, Hell - hey Civileme!

[John Simmons]

As promised, here's the results of running those commandline tools:

This is after a clean re-install (including re-partitioning the drive) of 
LM 8.0.  I haven't installed anything else, haven't changed any of the 
settings from how they were installed, and STILL can't do anything but ping.

Also, none of the server stuff was installed, and I did NOT change the list 
of packages that were installed.

So, why can't I browse with a browser (any of them, including lynx), 
telnet, or use IRC?

At 06:12 PM 8/25/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>I'll reboot into LM and capture the output for the following items and 
>then send another email to the list with the results:
>
>ifconfig

eth0   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:A0:CC:41:9A:42
inet addr:192.168.1.2  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
RX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
RX bytes:308 (308.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
Interrupt:11 Base address:0xe800
lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
RX packets:28 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:28 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:1960 (1.9 Kb)  TX bytes:1960 (1.9 Kb)

>netstat -rn

Kernel IP routing table
Destination  Gateway  GenmaskFlags  MSS  Window  irtt Iface
192.168.1.0  0.0.0.0  255.255.255.0  U   40  0  0 eth0
127.0.0.00.0.0.0  255.0.0.0  U   40  0  0 lo
0.0.0.0  192.168.1.1  0.0.0.0UG  40  0  0 eth0


>cat /etc/sysconfig/network

NETWORKING=yes
FORWARD_IPV4=no
HOSTNAME=chaos.viewplan
DOMAINNAME=viewplan
GATEWAY=192.168.1.1
GATEWAYDEV=eth0


/*===*/
  There are three types of lies...
lies ("You'll never need more than 64K"),
damn lies ("Windows is more stable than Linux"), and
press releases ("It will be released as scheduled").

  John Simmons (Redneck Techno-Biker)
  http://www.paddedwall.org/john

  John Simmons (Barbarian Diecast Collector)
  http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast/diecast_index.html

  DeMONS/2, Nascar 4 Online Race Scheduler
  http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2
/*===*/




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Re: [newbie] Well, Hell - hey Civileme!

[John Simmons]

>OK let's see the output of
>
>/sbin/ifconfig
>
>cat /etc/sysconfig/network
>
>The KDE tools are perhaps the wrong toolset to be using--in an xterm, try
>
>draknet
>
>or use the mandrake control center, but better yet, reinstall and use the 
>detection
>at install time in expert mode (nowhere near as daunting as the 7.2 
>version).
>Right there you can put in the IPs of your machine, your gateway and your 
>nameserver
>and you should have network when you come up.  If ever you need to make 
>changes
>use draknet off a terminal or from mandrake Control center.  Everyone who 
>has mixed tools
>has had problems.  Alternatively skip the Network installation in the 
>install process and
>use linuxconf tools or use KDE tools, but do _NOT_ use a combination of 
>different toolsets.

I completely reinstalled (third LM8 install) and I'm right back where I 
was.  I only used the stuff in KDE  to configure.

I'll reboot into LM and capture the output for the following items and then 
send another email to the list with the results:

ifconfig

netstat -rn

cat /etc/sysconfig/network




/*===*/
  There are three types of lies...
lies ("You'll never need more than 64K"),
damn lies ("Windows is more stable than Linux"), and
press releases ("It will be released as scheduled").

  John Simmons (Redneck Techno-Biker)
  http://www.paddedwall.org/john

  John Simmons (Barbarian Diecast Collector)
  http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast/diecast_index.html

  DeMONS/2, Nascar 4 Online Race Scheduler
  http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2
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Re: [newbie] Stystem Menu

[Idea.ListBT]

It must be my OE (though I've never seen this before) because
I've also read an older message from Pascal Goguey and this
invites me to download a Japanese font!  Pascal? - Japanese? -
Nah!
(I think I may have been 'got at').

Dave, I wannabe a Penguin head too, S.
idea.list


- Original Message -
From: "Carroll Grigsby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Stystem Menu


>
> Gee, and I thought that HTML messages were only a problem for
us penguin
> heads. (See Just Wondering thread for further details.) One
interesting
> note: This message didn't cause me any problems at all! Maybe
Netscape
> isn't so bad.
> Carroll
>
>






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Re: [newbie] Stystem Menu

[Carroll Grigsby]

"Idea.ListBT" wrote:
> 
> Hi Frank
> Sorry can't help with your query but just to let you know that
> the html code that you include in your message cocks up my
> outlook express (yes I am still using OE :-) ).
> OE is inviting me to download an additional font in order to
> read your footer - it won't take no for an answer and freezes.
> Have to ctrl/alt/del and abort OE to escape from it.
> I know this is not a windows list but could anyone tell me what
> is happening here? I hate being bullied into downloading bloody
> fonts that I haven't asked for !
> 
> Not saying that this is your fault Frank - probably my OE - but,
> just out of interest, why are you sending the html code?
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Dave S. - idea.list


Gee, and I thought that HTML messages were only a problem for us penguin
heads. (See Just Wondering thread for further details.) One interesting
note: This message didn't cause me any problems at all! Maybe Netscape
isn't so bad.
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Re: [newbie] X session do not work

[Gabriel Arcos]

well X font server looks working OK. I don't know if this is importan but
yesterday I build gcc 3.0.1, before installation I had 300MB of free space
in /  maybe gcc get all this space?. I review the error and the last thing
it report is:

XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after
0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaing.

another error I get, but this one I get all the time but the system work
fine allways is:

hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 {DriveStatusError BadCRC}
hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error}

- Original Message -
From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] X session do not work


> It was Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:13:17 -0400 when Gabriel Arcos wrote:
>
> >Hi, I get the following error while X session try to get open: "could
not
> >open default font 'fixed'" and session shutdown. I try to fixed with
XFdrake
> >but still no working. How can I fix this problem?
>
> Looks like xfs (X Font Server) is not running. Usually a reboot will help,
but
> I have the feeling that you already tried that.
> I believe that it is a service, so perhaps
>
> service xfs start
>
> helps here
>
> Paul
>
> --
> Acceptance of what happened is the first step
> to overcoming the consequence of any misfortune.
> -William James
>
> http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403
>  Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.5.3
>
>






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Re: [newbie] Sharing files with windows 9x

[Dave Sherman]

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On Saturday 25 August 2001 08:14 am, thus spake Michael D. Viron:

> > >In this case, I just disable the firewall temporarily while
> >I share the file or printer, then restart the firewall.
>
> That's ok if you are right there at the machine (or within a few minutes
> of its location).  However, if you are trying to remotely administer a
> machine, that becomes less acceptable.
>
> Michael

Sorry, Michael, but your comment does not really fit the context of this 
thread. He's got a home network, and so he obviously has direct 
(local) access to those machines.

Besides, anyone who uses an Internet-accessible machine (that is to say, 
people on the Internet can access your machine) to also serve files on the 
local network has rocks in his head. Everything should be behind a 
dedicated firewall, plus the local machines should each have their own 
firewall as a backup, in case the dedicated firewall is cracked. And of 
course there must also be a good general security policy in place -- a 
firewall is only the first line of defense

I could go on, but I will assume you already know what I am talking about.

Dave
- -- 
"Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No 
fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.)
- - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C.
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[newbie] Stystem Menu

[Idea.ListBT]

Hi Frank
Sorry can't help with your query but just to let you know that
the html code that you include in your message cocks up my
outlook express (yes I am still using OE :-) ).
OE is inviting me to download an additional font in order to
read your footer - it won't take no for an answer and freezes.
Have to ctrl/alt/del and abort OE to escape from it.
I know this is not a windows list but could anyone tell me what
is happening here? I hate being bullied into downloading bloody
fonts that I haven't asked for !

Not saying that this is your fault Frank - probably my OE - but,
just out of interest, why are you sending the html code?

Cheers.

Dave S. - idea.list






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Re: [newbie] X session do not work

[Paul]

It was Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:13:17 -0400 when Gabriel Arcos wrote:

>Hi, I get the following error while X session try to get open: "could not
>open default font 'fixed'" and session shutdown. I try to fixed with XFdrake
>but still no working. How can I fix this problem?

Looks like xfs (X Font Server) is not running. Usually a reboot will help, but
I have the feeling that you already tried that.
I believe that it is a service, so perhaps 

service xfs start

helps here

Paul

--
Acceptance of what happened is the first step
to overcoming the consequence of any misfortune.
-William James

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[newbie] X session do not work

[Gabriel Arcos]

    Hi, I get the following error 
while X session try to get open: "could not open default font 'fixed'" and 
session shutdown. I try to fixed with XFdrake but still no working. How can I 
fix this problem?

Re: [newbie] kernel.2.4.9 problems

[A V Flinsch]

On Saturday 25 August 2001 12:37 pm, you wrote:
> I'm using LM 8.0, and i decided to upgrade my kelnel from 2.4.3 to
> 2.4.9. And after I compailed and instaled kernel, my linux box can't
> boot as I wish.
>
> Well I use my console in resoultion 1024x768 with 32k color palette
> (VGA=791) and when I leave this VGA=791 my linux try to switch to that
> resolution ( I hear the monitor ), and after that nothing on the
> screen, I only see black screen :(((, I hear my hard drive is working.
> but screen is dead. I tried to ping my computer in LAN, and he
> responded to ping. and when I changed in lilo.conf VGA to normal or ask
> averything work OK. I didn't mentiom maybe it have something with my
> video card, I have diamond stealth 2 G460( I740 chipset).
>
> Does anybody have an idea how to solve this problem.

hmmm, sounds sort of familiar.
In my case everything worked after upgrading to the 2.4.9 kernel. 
Everything except hardware video acceleration. I ended up needing to 
upgrade X to 4.1 and that fixed the problem.

There are quite a few options in the 2.4.9 kernel, that might need to be 
tweaked for your system.  Make sure that you have the correct options for 
framebuffer support and direct video rendering.

One other thing, I also upgraded to KDE 2.2, and if this is anything like 
Mdk8.1 is going to be like, all I can say now is WOW.




-- 
Alex

Steve Balmer, CEO of Microsoft, recently referred to LINUX as a cancer.
Unsurprisingly, that's incorrect; LINUX was released on August 25th,
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[newbie] grip problems - playing cds in lm 8.0 with cooker upgrades

[bascule]

i have a feeling that my problem may not be linux per se but i would be 
gratefull for any insights...

i have lm 8.0 (freq3 plus cooker kde2.2) if i try to play my copy of 
pomegranate by heidi berry  in grip it just cycles through the track titles 
and doesn't play anything, the cd is brand new and plays fine in kcd (or 
whatever it's called these days), this means that i can't rip the tracks to 
mp3 either and that's annoying, the thing is though that my new primitives cd 
plays and rips fine in grip so it must be set up right, further investigation 
show that the heidi berry cd is an 'enhanced cd' and i'm thinking that the 
data track may be first on the cd and confusing grip but not kcd, so, two 
questions:
1. how in linux, do i see a list of tracktypes and their order?
2. anyone know how i might get grip to work in this case?

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Re: [newbie] Galeon stopped working

[Michel Clasquin]

On Saturday 25 August 2001 17:56, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:

> Galeon releases are tied to specific versions of Mozilla. Make sure you
> have the version of Mozilla that your Galeon version was designed for.

Good advice, but in this case it was, and I still had to delete those config 
directories to make it work. Not complaining, mind. You d/l cooker stuff, you 
know the risks.

-- 
Michel Clasquin, D Litt et Phil (Unisa)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/unisa.ac.za   http://www.geocities.com/clasqm
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Re: [newbie] just wondering

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:57, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> On Saturday 25 August 2001 10:03 am, Michael Leone escribió:
> > >Kmail.  Then again I'm no security expert. I don't have to be. I
> > > quit using M$ products to connect to the Net, mail or news years
> > > ago.
> >
> > EVERYBODY needs to be a bit of a security expert. You don't seriously
> > think that Unix/Linux has NO security issues whatsoever, do you? Look
> > at all the security problems BIND and WU-FTP have had over the years.
> > Unix/Linux has better security potgential than MS, but it doesn't
> > mean you can just ignore security.
>
> Security on a Linux system involves personal responsibility and
> must be an ongoing effort.  I understand that.  I didn't say I ignore
> security, I said I'm no expert, and don't need to be.  Whether that's
> my fault or not is my business and my responsibility. I'm a single user
> on a desktop with nothin more than a 30k dialup connection to the net.
> I don't run any servers, much less an ftp server.  I have an iptables
> firewall, never connect as root, and can pass the 'Complete' scan at
> www.sdesign.com with no vunerable ports. Since connecting back in the
> early 90's, and at about 300 hrs/month for the last 8 years since I've
> been disabled, I've never had any security related problems.
>
> Contrary to the opinion that HTML is safe, I've read several
> articles on the Net that say that worms and trojans can be included in
> HTML email. Maybe they're wrong? Maybe I misunderstood? I don't pretend
> to have the expertise to know.

HTML by itself is a benign language. The problem is with embedded scripts, 
like JavaScript/ECMAscript and VBscript. VBscript is the main offender here, 
and is thankfully an M$-only language. It can be turned off, but it is on by 
default. JavaScript exploits are less common, since it is a safer language. 
One should still be careful, though.

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan.
"There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
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[newbie] System menu

[Frank Chen]

Hi, all:
 
Can I change the font and its size 
of system menu under KDE or GNOME?
 
--Frank 
 
 

Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.0 /etc/lilo.conf

[Tim Barnard]

I use vga=ask, you then get an optional list during boot that lets you
select the screen resolution.

Tim

- Original Message -
From: "Marius Petravièius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:11 PM
Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 8.0 /etc/lilo.conf


> Sveiki, newbie,
>
>   Could somebody send me default /etc/lilo.conf file or remind one
>   line from it:
>
>   vga="???"
>
>
>   Please help me
>
>
> 
>  2001.08.25, ðeðtadienis
>  Marius Petravièius
>  iCQ: #125733984
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>






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Re: [newbie] IBM Thinkpad 600X

[civileme]

On Saturday 25 August 2001 11:50, h3rb wrote:
> I have a 600x.  Mandrake 8.0 would not install on it.  Although RH 7.1
> instaled flawlessly.
>
> h3rb
>
> On Friday 24 August 2001 01:21 am, you wrote:
> > I just got a used IBM thinkpad 600X from a computer show. I was wondering
> > if anyone had any horror stories/success stories with putting Linux
> > Mandrake on one. Thanks in advance
> > ~Lance


You need to use the image

images/alternatives/cdrom.img-2.2.19-BADZ5

and install kernel 2.2

OR

use that same image and install either Freq2 or Freq3

Those work with the trackpoint device.

Unlike RH we do not install and limit very greatly lm_sensors.  It is still possible 
to blow up
your 600X to the point of a factory return for a new mobo, but not with any of our 
installs
and not unless you specifically install lm_utils.

This is not a horror story. This is fact.  Use lm_sensors to check battery power ONCE 
on 

600 770 A20 X21 T21 and your motherboard is dead.  It overwrites a PROM that controls 
the I2C bus and that PROM is soldered in and not flashable.  George Staikos of KDE.org
warned us of this problem, and we investigated and discovered it was all too true.  
Other distros 
were also contacted by George, but chose to continue their courses.  

There is still a mild danger because lm_sensors is compiled into the kernel.  So if 
you choose to use
mandrake, don't install lm_utils ever.  If you choose to use another distro, don't do 
any monitoring,
as in don't install and use gkrellm.

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Re: [newbie] IBM Thinkpad 600X / Opinion on Tops vs. Bottoms

[Dave Burrows]

On Saturday 25 August 2001 11:50, h3rb wrote:
> I have a 600x.  Mandrake 8.0 would not install on it. 

This may or may not be of any help since your specific issue was not 
detailed but I read on the L-M site that Thinkpads "use a non-standard 
timing scheme of the psaux port" which was not figured into the new 
kernel .  It was suggested there that one using a TP who is having 
trouble with their mouse operating during the installation (including 
freezing the machine), that the boot disk should use the cd-rom (or 
appropriate) image found on the installation disk at 
images|alternatives and then choosing the appropriate image to make 
your boot disk with rawwrite for initiating the installation.  For more 
information on the subject of this and other installation problems, 
look here:

   

I have an old TP 380ED and had no trouble installing once I made the 
right (ie: 2.2.19) boot floppy.  

Opinion on the issue of top vs. bottom posting:

If you want someone to read your question or remarks, make what you 
have to say clear and put it in context of the existing thread.  Edit 
the quoted material to it's essential(s).  Let's not become too anal 
(compulsive) about the subject otherwise.  There's room for tops and 
bottoms  ;)  ...it's all a matter of editing which takes only a moment 
extra and to do otherwise is common laziness.  I simply delete a 
message written in html because I can't generally read it anyway; such 
is a waste of the time of the sender not to mention being unnecessarily 
decadent of other people's HDD space, bandwidth and is just downright 
rude.  Seeing impaired people, for example, don't need to weed through 
all that extra gobbledygook which is gross noise when voice simmulation 
equipment is employed.  Think.  Be considerate.  That's not so hard, is 
it?
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[newbie] SNF packet forwarding problem.

[John Turnbull]

I have installed Mandrake SNF on an elderly HP Ventra with a 200MHz
Pentium Pro in a test-bed configuration.

I have it set up with eth0 (ne2k-pci card - 192.168.3.34) connected to
the LAN side of my network and eth1 (3c59x - 192.168.4.34) running
through a crossover cable to a laptop acting as a stand-in for the
internet.

>From the HP firewall, I can ping both of its NICs and can also ping the
'internet' (laptop - 192.168.4.65) and any internal machine (say:
192.168.3.45), so the TCP/IP stuff seems to be fine.

I can connect to the HP firewall with either ssh or Mandrake Security
(port 8443: I intentionally set it up to allow both) from either the LAN
side or the 'internet' side, but I cannot connect from the LAN side to
the internet side at all.

Mandrake Security - Restrict Access  lists
Firewall Rules   on
and
Mandrake Security - Internet Access  lists
Access Status   Down
and no amount of poking  'Start' or 'Stop',  in any combination, seems
to change its status. . . sigh


Any hints on how I should proceed would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance.  John T

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Re: [newbie] Galeon stopped working

[A V Flinsch]

On Friday 24 August 2001 10:27 pm, you wrote:
> Recently Galeon stopped working on my Mandrake 8 box. When I start it
> from the command line, I get no error messages of any kind, it just
> doesn't do anything. All of my other browsers, including Mozilla, work
> without any problem.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I may troubleshoot this
> problem?


I had this exact problem a few weeks ago. No messages, just did not work. 
It did work for other users, just not me.

renamed the ~/.galeon directory & restarting -- no effect
renamed the ~/.mozilla directory & restarting galeon -- this worked.

try deleting or renaming your ~/.galeon & ~/.mozilla directories

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Re: [newbie] just wondering

[Michael Leone]

>   Yes, I'm curious to.  I suspect it was Code Red or some other 
>Windoze email worm embedded in the HTML that couldn't have caused any 

Code Red is *NOT* an email worm, and has *NOTHING* to do with HTML.
It is an MS *SPECIFIC* infector, altho web servers on other OSes may
have problems, due to the amount of (illegal) traffic that a CR-infected
web servers spews out in all directions.

There is *NO* way to receive CodeRed in an email.

>Kmail.  Then again I'm no security expert. I don't have to be. I quit 
>using M$ products to connect to the Net, mail or news years ago.

EVERYBODY needs to be a bit of a security expert. You don't seriously
think that Unix/Linux has NO security issues whatsoever, do you? Look at
all the security problems BIND and WU-FTP have had over the years.
Unix/Linux has better security potgential than MS, but it doesn't mean
you can just ignore security.


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[newbie] Default monitor best

[Kirby Urner]

When I installed MDK8.0 it gave me a generic
super VGA monitor.  Thought I'd be clever and
tell it I had a Viewsonic 17G (cuz that's what
I've got).  Something in the synch settings
didn't work.  Good-bye X, hello trying to find
the silly .conf file (or reinstall if you're a
true newbie (hey it's a fresh Linux anyway)).

Oh, and it thinks my video card is an Oxygen
something or other.  Once I told it the horrible
truth, that I have a Rage Fury AGP card.  It never
spoke to me again after that (so, Oxygen it is).

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[newbie] Re: Any Damn Browser Campaign (was: religion in linux )

[Charlie Oriez]

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> 
> I agree that IE is very good (duck rotten fruit), what bugs me is I
> have to develop web apps, and IE does everything differently, very
> differently. it's annoying have to code 2 different versions
> because M$ is too lazy to follow the standards that are setup.
>
>

I was complaining along the same lines when someone pointed me to the 
"Any Damn Browser" campaign.  I have a link to it from my home page 
at  behind the "best viewed with Any Damn Browser" 
button in the upper right hand corner.  

Whenever some site tries to tell me I can best view their pages in 
MSIE (McAfee is most offensive about it), I send them a link to that 
campaign along with a quote that I found on their home page:

"Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label 
on a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the 
Web, when you had very little chance of reading a document written on 
another computer, another word processor, or another network."
 -Tim Berners-Lee in Technology Review, July 1996 



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totally useless."
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Re: [newbie] tuxracer getting bad framerates

[s]

On Friday 24 August 2001 10:31 pm,  Jeremy Davidson wrote:
> I finally got Tuxracer to work -- had to tell RPMDrake (Software Manager?)
> to install the mesa packages.
>
> Now, however, it runs at about 1-2 fps.  I looked around for a mesa config
> program, but I haven't run across anything yet.  What do I need to do to
> get it working better?  I've got a 1.13Ghz Athlon T-Bird system with 256MB
> RAM and an Asus AGP videocard (GeForce 2 chipset).  I think Mandrake (v8)
> is using the generic nVidia GeForce 2 drivers.  XWindows is set up to use
> 1024x768@32bit.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeremy

You need to get the nvidia drivers and read the instructions carefully cause 
alot of those mesa libs you just installed conflict.  (nvidia.com)
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[newbie] laptop - kppp & eth0 connections

[Michael Scottaline]

I have a laptop [500mhz Celeron w 256mb RAM] that I used to connect via an
external modem (the builtin is a winmodem) to my ISP.  Several months ago,
I bought a pcmcia ethernet card and have been connecting via my office
lan.  Obviously my /etc/resolv.conf now reflects that connection.  If I
were to use this laptop at home and connect via my external modem again,
could I simply add the approrpriate info in kppp (rather than re-edit my
/etc/resolv.conf) and have the connection read that info as long as I'm
connected via kppp, or would that re-write my /etc/resolv.conf
necessitating constant editing of that file whenever I connect via the
"other" way (kppp v. ethernet card).  I've never added all of the
networking info to kppp.  Usually I just give it my isp's phone #, my
login name, and password, and let the network connection read from
resolv.conf  Anyone ever do what I'm asking about???
Thanks,
Mike

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Re: [newbie] Sharing files with windows 9x

[Michael D. Viron]

>In this case, I just disable the firewall temporarily while 
>I share the file or printer, then restart the firewall.

That's ok if you are right there at the machine (or within a few minutes of
its location).  However, if you are trying to remotely administer a
machine, that becomes less acceptable.

Michael

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Re: [newbie] Sharing files with windows 9x

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On Saturday 25 August 2001 04:56 pm, thus spake Luke Randall:

> > Ok,
> I was messing around with it a bit and now everything works basically.
> EXCEPT: I can see the linux computer on the Windows 98 machine under
> Network Neighbourhood but when I try and click on it it tells me that
> the computer/sharename doesn't exist. I've refreshed the Network
> Neighbourhood list and it is definitely not there. I even tried removing
> the Test share just leaving the other one but it did not change
> anything.
>
> Any Ideas?
>
> Luke
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is your Linux box running a firewall? If yes, then Samba may be able to 
broadcast its presence, but the ports for actual file and printer sharing 
may be blocked by the firewall. I have run into this exact problem before, 
on my laptop. In this case, I just disable the firewall temporarily while 
I share the file or printer, then restart the firewall.

This problem goes both ways. I cannot print to another shared printer when 
my firewall is running. It's just the way the firewall is set up, and I 
like it that way. I don't mind having to temporarily turn off the firewall 
and turn it back on when I am done.

Dave
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Re: [newbie] just wondering

[Tim Holmes]

Yeah, somebody else mentioned this to me, and also said that Pine did as
well.  I guess it was the version I used at the time.  I only used KMail
and Pine long enough to know I hated them.  Been using Mutt for some
time now.

But this topic seems to have gotten well out of hand.  I even had a few
people email me with quite nasty notes after my post.  I was starting to
believe I was the Anti-Christ and my Mother never told me, with the way
they were responding and acting to all of this.  And to think it started
from a simple question about the mailing list!

I wasn't even making a stand for either top posting or bottom posting,
but I was still called an idiot and other host of lovely and very
poignant names.  As long as the message is conveyed, who cares where
it's posted?

But oh well.  There are perks to living in a world where you can argue
your point of view until you're blue in the face, now we just have to
learn to afford other people the same rights huh?

Thanks Sridhar!
tdh

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Uptime: 
  
  7:30am  up 9 days, 13:15,  6 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
  
| On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 05:47, Tim Holmes wrote:
| > Those links are all find and dandy, but not for a MAILING list.  Those
| > are unwritten and accepted ruls for NEWSGROUPS, which this is not.
| >
| > The reason why those are so accepted and enforced on news groups, is
| > because 100% of all newsreaders I've used, show the original post and
| > responses right there with the message.  So quoting a post is really
| > only for the person that reads a post, then deletes the thread.  That
| > would be the only need for hugely quoted message.
| >
| > However, mailing lists are entirely different.  Some people don't
| > include any of the message they're responding to, and as I've noticed in
| > working envirnment, replies that come in several days AFTER the original
| > message was sent, catches the person of guard. Not sure what email is
| > about, so they then go searching for the message they sent.
| >
| > Also in the case of this mailing list, we have a lot of questions asked
| > about KMail.  So we know a lot of people on the list are using that, and
| > of course there's pine.  Neither one of these readers will sort out the
| > mail into threads.  So you can have the original question sent in at
| > noon, the first response comes in at a 2.  But in that two our time
| > span, 25 other messages come in.  So rather then just replying and
| > hoping people can find the post it was a reply to, they add what they're
| > replying to.  And this is really only a courtesy for those have readers
| > like this.  So that's why it's placed at the bottom.
| 
| I don't mean to pick, but KMail in KDE 2.2 _does_ support threading. I agree 
| with your arguments, though :-)
| 
| -- 
| Sridhar Dhanapalan.
|   "There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
|   LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
|   -- Jeremy S. Anderson
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Re: [newbie] Galeon stopped working

[Michel Clasquin]

On Saturday 25 August 2001 04:27, Jim Dawson wrote:
> Recently Galeon stopped working on my Mandrake 8 box. When I start it
> from the command line, I get no error messages of any kind, it just
> doesn't do anything. All of my other browsers, including Mozilla, work
> without any problem.

I had the same thing when I upgraded galeon and mozilla from the cooker. If 
you did this, try to start galeon from an xterm and you should see it 
complaining about an environment variable called MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME. You may 
also find that galeon still works when you su to root.

Don't bother trying to set the variable from the /usr/bin/galeon script - 
there is nothing actually wrong with it. I found that the only way to get it 
going again was to delete the ~./galeon directory. Just backup your bookmarks 
 and cookies first - import into netscape/mozilla if you can.

YMMV, but this worked for me
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Re: [newbie] AudioGalaxy

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:02, Marcia Waller wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I started an account at AudioGalaxy and thought I had downloaded and
> installed the linux application correctly. It tried to download a song but
> was unsuccessful so when I went back to try again it just told me my
> satellite was not running because of errors in my account.txt file. I have
> no idea what happened. If any of you are using AudioGalaxy could you please
> tell me step by step how you installed, edited the share and account.txt
> files, ran it, etc.? Also, is anyone using the xstat app for the gui? I
> would like to try that. Thanks for any help.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Marcia

The readme.txt file explains how to set up the account.txt and shares.txt 
files.

account.txt has two lines. The first is your user name and the second is your 
password. Make sure that you use the correct case.

shares.txt contains the full paths of the directories which you want to 
share. Each entry should be placed on a new line. The first line, however, 
should be the full path of your download directory.

Once set up, run the satellite in a terminal and then log into the 
AudioGalaxy website. You should then be able to download songs.

If that works, you should use a client like 6's Spiffy AudioGalaxy Query Tool 
(http://agqt.sourceforge.net/). Xsatellite isn't bad, but nowhere near as 
good as this one.

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LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
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Re: Re[4]: [newbie] Russian language in Mandrake 8.0

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:02, cr0acker wrote:
> On Saturday 25 August 2001 11:43, you wrote:
> > On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:25, cr0acker wrote:
> > > Hello Sridhar,
> > >
> > > Saturday, August 25, 2001, 7:01:53 AM, you wrote:
> > >
> > > SD> On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:50, cr0acker wrote:
> > > >> Hello Sridhar,
> > > >>
> > > >> Friday, August 24, 2001, 8:05:08 PM, you wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> SD> On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 03:05, cr0acker wrote:
> > > >> >> Hello newbie,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>   Some menus in Mandrake 8.0 which must be in russian are in some
> > > >> >>   stupid symbols. What should i do. HELP HELP HELP
> > > >>
> > > >> SD> Are you using Cyrillic or Unicode fonts? You need to.
> > > >> I use standart Cyrillic KOI8-R fonts which came with LM8.
> > >
> > > SD> Sorry, I don't know then. If you can import Windows TrueType fonts,
> > > do so, SD> and try using the Arial and Times New Roman fonts (they are
> > > Unicode). If the SD> problem is with web pages, then you need to set
> > > the encoding to Cyrillic.
> > >
> > >
> > > How do i convert Winwows TruType fonts into Linux unicode fonts.
> >
> > Open a root console and type 'drakfont'.
>
> Basicly i know that the problemis in LM8.0 compilation.
> The compilation of LM8.0 is horible.
> KDE uses ru_RU.KOI8-r locale.
> But this locale dosnot exist in LM8.0.
> Dut there is locale named ru. And so we hav to change ru into
> ru_RU.KOI8-r. But i dunno how. So please help.
> HELP.

I'm sorry, but I can't help any more. Perhaps there are Russian users out 
there on the list who can help. Also, have a go at other environments, like 
GNOME. They may have better Russian support.

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LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
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Re: [newbie] Hardware failure?

[C.H. Close]

Possible failed memory stick??

For everybodys information:-

I had a machine recently that went unreliable and finally failed to
boot. 
The cure: I removed each memory module and lightly cleaned the gold
fingers with a rubber ink eraser. On replacement of the modules the
machine booted fine and has now run for three months with no further
problems. 
The reason: I suspect that the gold plating used is not as pure as one
would like. At the very low logic levels (as low as 1.5V) used in modern
machines. Slight voltage drops across connectors can be sufficient to
prevent discrimination between a logic 0 and a logic 1. Since this
differetiation is a fairly important requirement for computer operation
the machine can simply stop working.

Either way it saved me a few pounds!!!

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.0 /etc/lilo.conf

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:11, Marius Petravièius wrote:
> Sveiki, newbie,
>
>   Could somebody send me default /etc/lilo.conf file or remind one
>   line from it:
>
>   vga="???"
>
>
>   Please help me

You can configure /etc/lilo.conf in the Mandrake Control Centre. There, 
options like 'vga=' are translated into plain English, not just numbers, so 
it is easier to understand.

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Re: [newbie] Sharing files with windows 9x

[Luke Randall]

Ok,
I was messing around with it a bit and now everything works basically.
EXCEPT: I can see the linux computer on the Windows 98 machine under Network
Neighbourhood but when I try and click on it it tells me that the
computer/sharename doesn't exist. I've refreshed the Network Neighbourhood
list and it is definitely not there. I even tried removing the Test share
just leaving the other one but it did not change anything.

Any Ideas?

Luke
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Sharing files with windows 9x


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> On Friday 24 August 2001 09:53 pm, thus spake Luke Randall:
>
> > > Ok. here's the info for you:
> > In /var/log/messages:
> > Aug 25 21:22:51 CPE-144-132-190-201 smb: smbd startup succeeded
> > Aug 25 21:22:51 CPE-144-132-190-201 smb: nmbd startup succeeded
> >
> > In /var/log/samba/log.nmb
> > [2001/08/25 21:50:22, 1] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(758)
> >   Netbios nameserver version 2.0.7 started.
> >   Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1994-1998
> > In /var/log/samba/log/smb
> > [2001/08/25 21:50:22, 1] smbd/server.c:main(641)
> >   smbd version 2.0.7 started.
> >   Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1992-1998
> > [2001/08/25 21:50:22, 1] smbd/files.c:file_init(215)
> >   file_init: Information only: requested 1 open files, 1014 are
> > available.
> >
> > In Samba config file:
> > # Samba config file created using SWAT
> > # from localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1)
> > # Date: 2001/08/25 21:51:56
> >
> > # Global parameters
> > [global]
> > netbios name = LUKE
> > security = SHARE
> > local master = No
> >
> > [test]
> > comment = For testing only, please
> > path = /export/samba/test
> > writeable = Yes
> > guest ok = Yes
> >
> > [gobble]
> > path = /tmp
> >
> >
> > Ok, any ideas from that?
>
> Luke,
>
> Well, looking at the messages, it appears that Samba is starting up just
> fine, but that for whatever reason SWAT simply is not reporting it
> correctly. For what it's worth, I never use SWAT myself -- I just edit the
> smb.conf file in vi, since it's a fairly easy file to deal with. Also, I
> was talking with one of the sysadmins at my ISP yesterday -- they run
> mostly Linux there, with some *BSD -- and he said that SWAT is "flaky".
> Unfirtunately, he did not specify in what way, and at the time I did not
> bother asking for more.
>
> Anyway, since the log messages show no errors and in fact Samba appears to
> be starting just fine, can you see the computer in Network Neighborhood?
> If not, can you Start > Find > Computer and then see the computer? If you
> do see the coimputer, can you access the shared test folder?
>
> (Obviously, I will assume that you have created the directory
> export/samba/test, and given it the appropriate permissions. For testing,
> 'chmod 777 export/samba/test' should do the trick.)
>
> Let me know,
> Dave
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Re: [newbie] Query: How to enable chooser in GDM, KDM, XDM under 8.0?

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:26, George Petri wrote:
> I have been having significant problems with the chooser as well but AFAIK:
> > Setting
> >
> > *   CHOOSER BROADCAST   #any indirect host can get a chooser
> >
> > In /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess seems to have no effect in XDM.
>
> Keep the Xaccess file like it is -- with that line -- i.e. the default
> settings that come with mandrake.
>
> > Likewise in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf even though the file points to the
> > chooser (as is the default) how do I get it to display?
>
> I don't think gpm supports the chooser.

Yes it does. In fact it has better chooser support than KDM, and it is 
configurable. This is with Ximian GNOME, though. I don't know about 
Mandrake's version.

> > How do you enable the chooser (so it shows a list of hosts at the
> > console's graphical login screen) in GDM and KDM (and for that matter
> > xdm) in Mandrake 8.0.
>
> You basically need kdm or xdm to be running in the background as a daemon.
> Then, typing X  -indirect 
> should make kdm or xdm bring up the chooser for you for that display
> e.g. X :1 -indirect localhost
>
> To bring up the chooser at startup, I guess, you will have to add the line
> "x:5:respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -indirect localhost" just before the last
> line of /etc/inittab (mandrake 7.2), "x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm
> -nodaemon":
>
> No warranties, though!  I have given up trying this anyway!
>
> George

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Re: [newbie] mplayer

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:32, Paul wrote:
> It was Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:19:14 -0500 when Tom Brinkman wrote:
> >Earlier in this thread wine was mentioned. I've thought that the
> >pertinent Windoze .dll's were ?  either present on the Linux system in
> >a dir, or linked to those on your Windoze partition ?  If wine is
> >required I'm not gonna even bother with this.
>
> Wine is not needed for mplayer. You have to get the codec-zip from the
> mplayer site and stuff them in some dir (/usr/lib/win32 it is) and then
> mplayer works. As long as you compile it without gcc-checking.
>
> Paul

IIRC, MPlayer (and Avifile as well, for that matter) borrowed code from the 
WINE Project to enable the loading of Windos DLLs. You do not need WINE 
installed, since the relevant bits of code are already included.

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Re: [newbie] just wondering

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 05:47, Tim Holmes wrote:
> Those links are all find and dandy, but not for a MAILING list.  Those
> are unwritten and accepted ruls for NEWSGROUPS, which this is not.
>
> The reason why those are so accepted and enforced on news groups, is
> because 100% of all newsreaders I've used, show the original post and
> responses right there with the message.  So quoting a post is really
> only for the person that reads a post, then deletes the thread.  That
> would be the only need for hugely quoted message.
>
> However, mailing lists are entirely different.  Some people don't
> include any of the message they're responding to, and as I've noticed in
> working envirnment, replies that come in several days AFTER the original
> message was sent, catches the person of guard. Not sure what email is
> about, so they then go searching for the message they sent.
>
> Also in the case of this mailing list, we have a lot of questions asked
> about KMail.  So we know a lot of people on the list are using that, and
> of course there's pine.  Neither one of these readers will sort out the
> mail into threads.  So you can have the original question sent in at
> noon, the first response comes in at a 2.  But in that two our time
> span, 25 other messages come in.  So rather then just replying and
> hoping people can find the post it was a reply to, they add what they're
> replying to.  And this is really only a courtesy for those have readers
> like this.  So that's why it's placed at the bottom.

I don't mean to pick, but KMail in KDE 2.2 _does_ support threading. I agree 
with your arguments, though :-)

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Re: [newbie] Galeon stopped working

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:27, Jim Dawson wrote:
> Recently Galeon stopped working on my Mandrake 8 box. When I start it
> from the command line, I get no error messages of any kind, it just
> doesn't do anything. All of my other browsers, including Mozilla, work
> without any problem.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I may troubleshoot this
> problem?
>
> Thanks in advance.

What version are you using? The 0.12 series has some important changes, which 
are explained at htp://galeon.sourceforge.net.

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