RE: [newbie] MB & CPU Suggestion Please
I read a report recently on the duron 1gig, and it showed that the performance is "almost" the same as a 1gig PIII within 5 to 10% for most things, and in a couple it was faster... According to the report, the 1gig Duron is using the new AMD Palamino core , and it is significantly improved on the older durons... in fact, according to the report, the only difference was the L2 cache, only having 64k, according to them, the new one is otherwise exactly the same as the new Athlons. The benchmarks proved that, they used a Duron950 to compare it to, and the differences in the results were FAR in excess of what would be expected for the 50mhz speed increase. Apparently, it will overclock quiet happily to 1.13gig I have a Duron 900 that is a month or two old, (I bought it as soon as they came out over here and it was the top them.) I wish I had gotten a 1 gig athlon as the price difference is small now... (about 20AU) Now, I am waiting until the current range of athlons are also using the new Palamino core I think they currently use one called Spitfire, although that may be just for the Durons. It is expected that all the athlons now will be made on the new corevery soon. so I will wait for that before lashing out on a 1.4 gig Athlon. (hopefully after the 1.633 is out... so its cheaper.) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert MacLean Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2001 2:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MB & CPU Suggestion Please The T-Bird has more level 1 and level 2 cache than the Duron. Otherwise they are exactly the same. But because of the extra cache (espcially the level 1) the CPU does go a lot faster. Robert MacLean - Original Message - From: "Doug X" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: [newbie] MB & CPU Suggestion Please Hi everyone, I am considering upgrading my MB and CPU and would like to know which would be a better choice for LM8. I am looking for AMD Duron 900 - 1GHz or Athlon T-bird 1GHz. and maybe Microstar K7T Turbo or GigaByte GA-7ZXR-C I am a student with not so much $, so I am looking for CPU under $150CDN and MB under $240CDN. My current hardware that will go in the new system is SCSI PCI for HP6300C, ATI 4MB PCI(just for now), Ethernet PCI for SHAW. Would anyone recommend a combination of this hardware or something more appropriate for LM8, please. Is there any benefit to choosing T-Bird over Duron? Thank you in advance, Doug __ _ Visit http://www.visto.com. Find out how companies are linking mobile users to the enterprise with Visto. -- -- > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] What version of gcc do I have?
Hi, Just type gcc -v. For more information: man gcc Fred On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:51:31 -0400 Isaac Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How can I tell what version of gcc I have? Or any other program, for > that matter? (I'm asking specifically for the command line way to do this) > > Thanks again, > Isaac > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux Lunacy.... a short commentary...
Hi Peoples, I normally wouldn't comment on this, but I felt obliged to this time.. This mailing list is great for what it is, a DISCUSSION forum for linux (in particular, Mandrake Linux) Infer from that what you will, however, I don't see anything anywhere that states we must not talk about non tech issues.. We are an online community, and I sort of consider many of you friends in an online sort of way :-) we have similiar interests, (wouln't be here otherwise) and often we are able to help each other out.. I like seeing the occasional post about issues that don't relate to problems tech wise, and I think discussions on the direction of linux in general very important considering its opposition, a concerted front is a good thing.. Also, if linux is to make it mainstream, then the last thing we need to broadcast, is the kind of posts that you put up, that is basically telling newbies that you are not interested in anything that they have to say, which is sad because they are newbies for the most part, that means they don't have anything else to say except to ask questions... Deal with it, if you want a "more straight down the line" mailing list, join Redhat (and get flamed down for the simplest of questions.), or the developer list. I for one welcome the newbies comments as only a newbie can tell you how to make something easy and intuitative. an expert is usually to familiar with the code to know if its easy or hard for a newbie.. In relation to this specific message, I didn't even know there was a "Linux Lunacy 7 day cruise" so I learned somthing from it... and he has my congrats also on the marrage... (have you ever read a "feel good" story? ) Get a life, like anything in life, this is creavet emptor, Buyer beware... if you don't like the message, delete them... its really much easier then you think, in fact its easier and with less keystrokes then the message you wrote back. also, anyone who would begrudge a person announcing their marrage and then post back calling it "crap" is a very self involved individual. You obviously spend to much time in front of your PC, go outside, in the sunshine, smile at someone, pat a dog, take deep breaths... whatever does it for you, but for gods sake, relax... you'll live longer. Linux needs helpful, supportive, cooperating people in its corner. Not selfish pontificating assholes(I am not saying you are one of these, just that your last post paints you that way.) having said that, "thankyou for your post" I am sure you will get floods of people happy to help you out the next time you have a problem. :-) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles A. Punch Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2001 3:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy brown1302 wrote: > > WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LINUX NEWBIE PROBLEMS!! THERE ARE OTHER > VENUES FOR THIS CRAP> ___ I'm sure there are other venues for *this* kind of crap that you have posted as well. oh, by the way, your headlights are on. maybe your batteries are running down and your congratulatory modules require more power. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 > - Original Message - > From: "d" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy > > > LURKER here, Congrats. A little word of advice, I am sure you never have > > had any nor will you from any others. When my wife and I married 38 years > > ago we made an agreement that this was more than a marrage, it is a > > partnership and any decisions made that effected both would be agreed upon > > by both. We have always discussed thingys first then made our decision > and > > went forward with that. Worked for us. Hope you have as GREAT a luck as > > we have. Never go to sleep without the "I Love You" closing. > > > > > > At 02:57 PM 8/26/01, you wrote: > > >Just curious - anyone going on the Linux Lunacy 7 day cruise in the > Caribeaan? > > >(sp?). > > > > > >Its in October, and my fiance' and I are going to use it for a honeymoon, > > >-'Nix- style! > > > > > >Somebody congratulate me, the date is October 19th! ;- > > > > > >-- > > > > > > /\ > > > Dark> > > \/ > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > >Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > > > > TIA, > > 'd' > > Don Hodges > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > San Antonio, Texas > > > > > > > > -- -- > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Ser
[newbie] What version of gcc do I have?
How can I tell what version of gcc I have? Or any other program, for that matter? (I'm asking specifically for the command line way to do this) Thanks again, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MB & CPU Suggestion Please
The T-Bird has more level 1 and level 2 cache than the Duron. Otherwise they are exactly the same. But because of the extra cache (espcially the level 1) the CPU does go a lot faster. Robert MacLean - Original Message - From: "Doug X" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: [newbie] MB & CPU Suggestion Please Hi everyone, I am considering upgrading my MB and CPU and would like to know which would be a better choice for LM8. I am looking for AMD Duron 900 - 1GHz or Athlon T-bird 1GHz. and maybe Microstar K7T Turbo or GigaByte GA-7ZXR-C I am a student with not so much $, so I am looking for CPU under $150CDN and MB under $240CDN. My current hardware that will go in the new system is SCSI PCI for HP6300C, ATI 4MB PCI(just for now), Ethernet PCI for SHAW. Would anyone recommend a combination of this hardware or something more appropriate for LM8, please. Is there any benefit to choosing T-Bird over Duron? Thank you in advance, Doug __ _ Visit http://www.visto.com. Find out how companies are linking mobile users to the enterprise with Visto. -- -- > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mouse wheel & kde 2.2
On Tuesday 28 August 2001 07:10 am, Joan Tur wrote: > Es Dilluns 27 Agost 2001 16:16, en skinky va escriure: > > On Tuesday 28 August 2001 13:07, you wrote: > > > Hallo! > > > > > > After upgrading to kde 2.2 i've noticed that both kmail v.1.3 and > > > galeon v.0.12 move 1 page down each wheel's click. Konqueror and > > > NS4.77 work fine with this moving 1 line down each click 8-? > > > > > > Under Galeon's settings i can change this but nothing happens... > > > Thanks!! > > > > You could try changing the mouse scroll settings > > KDE Control Center > Peripherals > Mouse > Advanced tab > Mouse Wheel > > Scrolls By > > Might work. > > Thanks for your answer... no luck 8( > > Default was 3 but i see no change using 2 and 1 (and restarting kde+xfree > between changes)... thanks anyway Could it be imwheel running that is causing the problem? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mouse wheel & kde 2.2
Es Dilluns 27 Agost 2001 16:16, en skinky va escriure: > On Tuesday 28 August 2001 13:07, you wrote: > > Hallo! > > > > After upgrading to kde 2.2 i've noticed that both kmail v.1.3 and galeon > > v.0.12 move 1 page down each wheel's click. Konqueror and NS4.77 work > > fine with this moving 1 line down each click 8-? > > > > Under Galeon's settings i can change this but nothing happens... > > Thanks!! > > You could try changing the mouse scroll settings > KDE Control Center > Peripherals > Mouse > Advanced tab > Mouse Wheel > Scrolls By > Might work. Thanks for your answer... no luck 8( Default was 3 but i see no change using 2 and 1 (and restarting kde+xfree between changes)... thanks anyway -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
> What's the difference between Xemacs and emacs? There are a few differences. Xemacs started life out as a separate source code fork from GNU Emacs - it was called Lucid Emacs back then. Since then, the code bases have merged somewhat, and there aren't too many differences between the two. Some may find emacs better, others may like Xemacs. You won't need to have both installed. > - Isaac David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
> and emacs for command interpreting/bash programming, so is it best for me to > use both? What are the advantages of each tool under different circumstances? I'm not sure where you got that idea - see my other message. My recommend- ation - use whatever you feel more comfortable with. For some, emacs is easier to figure out (mostly because most people coming to Unix aren't going to be used to a 'modal' editor, as vi is). > Isaac David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
civileme wrote: > On Monday 27 August 2001 21:11, brown1302 wrote: > >>WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LINUX NEWBIE PROBLEMS!! THERE ARE OTHER >>VENUES FOR THIS CRAP> >> > > Ummm, there is a sense of community on this list. The folks who like to criticize >each other have > many homes on the internet, but this is one of the places where we can and do afford >to provide > a pleasant experience most of the time as well as help a few people solve problems >and learn a > little more about their computers and Operating Systems. > > Ronald J. Hall has been here a while and has provided a lot of help on this and some >other lists and > has functioned as one of the guinea pigs for our latest and greatest (which is >sometimes great at > corrupting files and such). I suppose this could have been given an OT banner for >the folks who > pay for every message they read, but other than that, it does further this sense of >community. > > If you want to call this "crap" and yell in all caps on this list as a regular >practice, then my email burden > will increase as people will be asking how to set up filters for your posts. This >is not a threat or a > warning or a yellow card, just a statement of fact. Keep the list a pleasant place >to be, and make > criticisms in a civil manner or people will most likely ignore you, leaving you with >a linux manual > for company when you actually need help. > > Civileme > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > > message.footer > > Content-Type: > > text/plain > Content-Encoding: > > 8bit > > I second the motion. Tom (Brinkman), Sridhar and civileme are names used around my house and among offline Linux friends in my area. I smiled at the letter about this fellow's wedding plans, I shook my head in shared frustration when John Simmons was overwhelmed by his installation struggles, and I grinned when I saw our de facto tribal elder civileme opening this reply with the word "Ummm". The last one was so significant because it made me realize just how much of a concrete community this group was, the fact that this slight twist on civile's normal to-the-point personality was significant to me and made me smile. This is what online forums should be. Hell, there aren't even many good communities available OFFLINE in today's world. I enjoy hearing about Ronald's wedding and I look forward to similarly pleasant anecdotes along the way as I grow out of my newbie boots. Even from a strictly strategic perspective, it is in the best interests of LM as a company to encourage these types of community building discussions, else all the current newbies will simply outgrow this list and move on to the expert one. To extend the thought, this will eventually lead to some portion of the LM population outgrowing LM itself to move on to a Debian/BSD system that is seen as more high-level. The building of communities like this mailing list will keep the current "newbies" around long after their newbie-ship, and the combination of their free tech support and their brand loyalty will prove priceless to LM in the long run. So kudos to civileme for giving a quasi-official stamp of approval to this fledgling online community. - Isaac "The working man cannot. . . repurchase that which he has produced for his master. It is thus with all trades whatsoever. . . since, producing for a master who in one form or another makes a profit, they are obliged to pay more for their own labour than they get for it." - Proudon, "What is Property" www.infoshop.org/faq www.anarchistfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Canon BJC-5100
> Ton Strijbosch wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have a Canon BJC-5100, but I can't get it to work. I installed CUPS and > > selected the proper driver Canon BJC-5000 according to Canon. When I start > > printing the print just initialises and then stops. Nothing get's printed. Is > > anyone out there who has also a Canon BJC-5100 and got it to work? I think there is hope. I have one, and it works fine in the printer test during install (Mandrake 7.2). Can't get it or any other printers to work after the install. (My printers are all on Windows boxes, and I need to print remotely to them from Linux.) So there are drivers that work, in color or black and white. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
What's the difference between Xemacs and emacs? - Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Installing a printer permenantly
I have a question: I have Mandrake 8.0 with a Deskjet 882C. This is well-supported and comes with great drivers. However, if I want to use it, I have to go to the control center and install the printer every time I reboot. This is very inconvenient. Is there a way to get Mandrake to remember that this printer is installed between reboots? Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File set up
At 12:13 PM 08/27/2001 -0400, Scott Parks wrote: >Just a simple question, how are most of you setting up your file systems >for install? >/boot >/ >/swap >/usr >/var >/home > >or are you doing one big / > >Coming from BSD we did the first with all the different partitions. > >-Scott With a big enough hard drive (or if it is multi-drives), I usually set up a /, /usr, /var, /home, /backup, and /tmp if it's going to be a server. For a workstation, you'd be okay with just a /, /home (for all your user files), /usr/local (for custom compiles), and possibly a /archive (for backup copies). The last install I did was Mandrake 7.2 on a testbox that has 2 hard drives, both with less than 2 GB of space, so I did a / on the small 820MB, and a /usr on the larger 1.2 GB drive -- and managed to fit everything, with space left over (/ was only 12% full, /usr was around 50% or 60% full). Of course, I'll have to re-do it again anyways, since the 2 4 GB drives in our server will get swapped out for 2 20 GB drives soon. Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems & Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MB & CPU Suggestion Please
> > I am considering upgrading my MB and CPU and would like to know which would be a >better choice for LM8. > > I am looking for AMD Duron 900 - 1GHz or Athlon T-bird 1GHz. well, I think since the 1gig duron came out yesterday, it's way too expensive to buy right away (for the performance boost). go for a t-bird or go with a slower duron. > and maybe Microstar K7T Turbo or GigaByte GA-7ZXR-C i'm now at my duron box with an MSI (microstar) KT7 Pro 266. I like it in particular becuse it's one of the few DDR boards with more than 2 dimm slots. no ISA, if that's a problem. it works great under linux with a 850 MHz duron and 256MB DDR mem. MSI is an mu and commer. AbIT and asus are the big names, Abit will even come with it's own distro of linux :-) > > I am a student with not so much $, so I am looking for CPU under $150CDN and MB >under $240CDN. save some cash on a cpu if you're on a budget. get a cheaper cpu and a sweet mobo. you won't notice the difference much between a 700 Mhz duron and a 1.2 t-bird. especially if you're doing some basic codeing, office apps, web browsing, etc. when you get some more cash later, you can get a 1.4 ghz when the prices come down. if you want to hold on to the processor for a while, definitely go with a t-bird with a good cooler. > Is there any benefit to choosing T-Bird over Duron? yes, but it's negligable on desktop stuff. you'll see it gaming, but you need to put a beefier video card on the system before you'll see it. durons, as I understand it, are just t-birds with a broken l2 cache. processors are so cheap and so fast that you might as well go for a duron for now and get something rediculously fast when you have the cash. if you make a good mobo purchase, you;ll hold on to it for a long time, as AMD has promised to stay with socket A for the next few years, so hopefully with a bios upgrade, you can plug a 3 ghz into a ddr board you buy today. > > Thank you in advance, no problem, you're most welcome. hope this helps Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:11:26 -0700 "brown1302" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ignorantly bleated: > WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LINUX NEWBIE PROBLEMS!! THERE ARE > OTHER > VENUES FOR THIS CRAP> == -- "Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing, and dreadful idolatry took place there." Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, mid 16th Century _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome when I log in?
I know that there is probably a better way to do this, but I, (in desperation) got rid of those bad boys, by slapping them with Xkill everytime they showed up. It took five or six times, but eventually they stopped coming up, so far. If there is a better way to do this that will not leave a lot of unfinished cleanup (as this probably did) I would like to know also. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Patience is a minor form of despair, disguised as virtue. -- Ambrose Bierce, on qualifiers Jon Doe wrote: > > I have a strange problem. I am running Mandrake 8.0 and I have upgraded to > the 2.2 KDE. Things work great, except everytime I login now, KDE comes up, > then all the Gnome icons come up, over top of the KDE icons and then gmc > comes up. I am not sure which file to edit to fix this. > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Canon BJC-5100
had one, but couldn't get it to work either. Had a Canon BJC 2110 that worked. Had to use a 610 and up setting on that one. Gave the 5000 away and got a HP Deskjet 632C for about 60 bucks and it prints better (as far as print quality) than either one of the others. Its a little particular about settings though. I've had a few problems getting it to print on the right position on the page and it sometinmes chews up my envelopes. Now that I've gotten used to it's idiosycracies, I like it better, because of the print quality. It seems you have gotten futher than I did with the settings on the BJC 5000. I couldn't even get it to intialize. Good luck. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Patience is a minor form of despair, disguised as virtue. -- Ambrose Bierce, on qualifiers Ton Strijbosch wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a Canon BJC-5100, but I can't get it to work. I installed CUPS and > selected the proper driver Canon BJC-5000 according to Canon. When I start > printing the print just initialises and then stops. Nothing get's printed. Is > anyone out there who has also a Canon BJC-5100 and got it to work? > > Thanks for any help. > > Greetings, > Ton > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
On Monday 27 August 2001 15:11, you wrote: > WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LINUX NEWBIE PROBLEMS!! THERE ARE > OTHER VENUES FOR THIS CRAP> > - Original Message - Linux newbies don't have problems, only opportunities. This list is a community and most definitely interested in it's members triumphs and finding out about opportunities to meet each other face to face when and if they arise. So, don't blow a gasket, chill, enjoy the opportunities on the list, and learn along with the rest of us newbies. Life is good, just don't weaken. -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] MandrakeUpdate wont work
I still can't get MandrakeUpdate to get the list of mirrors for security updates. However I have found the following in .xsession-errors = * Connected to www.linux-mandrake.com (63.209.80.235) > GET /mirrorsfull.list HTTP/1.0 Host: www.linux-mandrake.com Pragma: no-cache Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */* === I assume that this refers to my problem, if anyone can explain what it means I would be grateful. -- Peter Watson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mouse wheel & kde 2.2
Es Dilluns 27 Agost 2001 16:16, en skinky va escriure: > On Tuesday 28 August 2001 13:07, you wrote: > > Hallo! > > > > After upgrading to kde 2.2 i've noticed that both kmail v.1.3 and galeon > > v.0.12 move 1 page down each wheel's click. Konqueror and NS4.77 work > > fine with this moving 1 line down each click 8-? > > > > Under Galeon's settings i can change this but nothing happens... > > Thanks!! > > You could try changing the mouse scroll settings > KDE Control Center > Peripherals > Mouse > Advanced tab > Mouse Wheel > Scrolls By > Might work. Thanks for your answer... no luck 8( Default was 3 but i see no change using 2 and 1 (and restarting kde+xfree between changes)... thanks anyway. -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
On Monday 27 August 2001 21:11, brown1302 wrote: > WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LINUX NEWBIE PROBLEMS!! THERE ARE OTHER > VENUES FOR THIS CRAP> Ummm, there is a sense of community on this list. The folks who like to criticize each other have many homes on the internet, but this is one of the places where we can and do afford to provide a pleasant experience most of the time as well as help a few people solve problems and learn a little more about their computers and Operating Systems. Ronald J. Hall has been here a while and has provided a lot of help on this and some other lists and has functioned as one of the guinea pigs for our latest and greatest (which is sometimes great at corrupting files and such). I suppose this could have been given an OT banner for the folks who pay for every message they read, but other than that, it does further this sense of community. If you want to call this "crap" and yell in all caps on this list as a regular practice, then my email burden will increase as people will be asking how to set up filters for your posts. This is not a threat or a warning or a yellow card, just a statement of fact. Keep the list a pleasant place to be, and make criticisms in a civil manner or people will most likely ignore you, leaving you with a linux manual for company when you actually need help. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KDE and Gnome when I log in?
I have a strange problem. I am running Mandrake 8.0 and I have upgraded to the 2.2 KDE. Things work great, except everytime I login now, KDE comes up, then all the Gnome icons come up, over top of the KDE icons and then gmc comes up. I am not sure which file to edit to fix this. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Odd printer action....
On Monday 27 August 2001 08:53, you wrote: > At 21:40 27/08/2001 +0200, you wrote: > >On Monday 27 August 2001 19:51, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > > > skinky wrote: > > > > It seems strange that even after CUPS is started the printer > > > > cannot connect to the CUPS server until I supposedly "edit" the > > > > printer config. Does anyone know why this happens? Or why CUPS > > > > won't start on boot like it did before I installed KDE2.2? (It is > > > > selected to start on boot in Mandrake Control Center) Also, try > > > > to start CUPS in MCC doesn't work I have to use the command in a > > > > shell (tho thats easy so it makes no difference to me). > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > skinky > > > > > > Do you have the network stuff turned on? I didn't, and had to reset > > > CUPS each time I shutdown and restarted. CUPS uses the network > > > server, AFAIK. Hope this helps! ;-) > > > >Also, if you are using KDE 2.2 Final do update to the latest cooker > >version of CUPS > > > >Civileme Thanks for the advice Civileme. I'll update CUPS tonight. Cheers skinky _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mouse wheel & kde 2.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On August 27, 2001 09:07 pm, you wrote: > Hallo! > > After upgrading to kde 2.2 i've noticed that both kmail v.1.3 and galeon > v.0.12 move 1 page down each wheel's click. Konqueror and NS4.77 work fine > with this moving 1 line down each click 8-? > > Under Galeon's settings i can change this but nothing happens... Thanks!! You need to modify /etc/X11/imwheelrc to include the following ... "kmail" @Exclude "^Galeon" @Exclude You will see other similar notations about half way through the file. Just add the above under the same section. Regards, SpeedMan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7irfnnibsyDpDwJURAgixAKCN+qRvyHZHgP/bpQQh42BPtZvgYACgklTq bouczCh7Wg0VXSxcMx96ZB0= =V+Px -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
Oops, sorry, if you want to use it from the command line (without X) it won't work. I'd use jstar from the command line, but I'd still use nedit in X, even invoking it from the command line. Randy Kramer Randy Kramer wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I'm starting to do pretty much everything from the command line now, to the > > point that I don't even touch XWindows for most of the day. While this is cool > > and exciting, I'm curious as to people's opinions on what text editor I should > > use for programming, file editing, etc. > > I'd just like to cast a vote for nedit. It has syntax highlighting (for > many languages), soft word wrap (they call it continuous word wrap), and > macros, and, if you're from windows, it just seems more comfortable than > vi or emacs. Kedit is nice too, and there are others, but nedit had > more of the features I wanted. > > Hope this helps, > Randy Kramer > > --- > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
On Tuesday 28 August 2001 04:34, Paul wrote: > In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s words, written Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:01:00 > -0400 (EDT) > > >a few days and it seems to me that vi is a lot easier thus far. The > >CTRL-D/DEL > >thing in emacs is a real hassle. I know that vi is intended for C > >programming > >and emacs for command interpreting/bash programming, so is it best for me > > to use both? What are the advantages of each tool under different > >circumstances? > > Pick one and stick with it. Some like vi, some like emacs. And some like > gedit/nedit/whatever. > I think it is good to have a choice, figure out what's the best for you, > and then use it :) > Paul > Hmmm, well the ingredients of a jihad have we when first we seek to compare and contrast emacs and vi. emacs has a more complex command structure and a MUCH better tutorial as well as bindings for many languages that gives you auto-indent, color-coding, and even function stubs. As an editor it is not for speed typists so much as for folks who concentrate on content. On the typical power outage crash your loss in emacs will be the last two words typed or so. For vi, it may be larger. Actually you cannt really compare the two. Emacs can do shell things and help you debug programs without ever getting out of the dark slate gray (that sure looks pine green to me) screen while vi cannot. Whether this is an advantage or disadvantage is a matter of taste, but I can tell you this-- You can run X with just an xterm and you can call vi from it and you have to exit to the xterm to do bash things, but you can run emacs as a window manager/desktop environment and you can read mail and browse th web and debug without ever exiting. vi was designed as a great improvement over the older "blind" text editors like ed and ex which were really designed for efficiency on a teletype style terminal. I remember using it and thinking how much better it was, then I ran into MINCE (Mince Is Not Complete Emacs) and never looked back. vi has more than one mode which some like and some hate. When you come to the decision, it is a matter of taste. There are also others out there, like joe which can be emacs-like or pico-like or wordstar-like, and jed, which also can customize bindings. Look at each of them a little while, learn how to change their styles, then go get nano of nedit and look at them. An editor is a personal choice. Cooledit is liked by some as well, and SIAG offers xedplus to further confuse the issue, then if you want language independence or internationalizaion capabilities the one to use is yudit. Forget it, it's too complicated to decide. Break out your Ada manual and write one that can't be buffer overflowed, and make it your very own :-D Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
On Tuesday 28 August 2001 07:11, you wrote: > WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LINUX NEWBIE PROBLEMS!! THERE ARE > OTHER VENUES FOR THIS CRAP> Don't get too wrapped up in your *newbie problems*... GET A LIFE! Have a nice day. skinky _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm starting to do pretty much everything from the command line now, to the > point that I don't even touch XWindows for most of the day. While this is cool > and exciting, I'm curious as to people's opinions on what text editor I should > use for programming, file editing, etc. I'd just like to cast a vote for nedit. It has syntax highlighting (for many languages), soft word wrap (they call it continuous word wrap), and macros, and, if you're from windows, it just seems more comfortable than vi or emacs. Kedit is nice too, and there are others, but nedit had more of the features I wanted. Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Canon BJC-5100
Hi, I have a Canon BJC-5100, but I can't get it to work. I installed CUPS and selected the proper driver Canon BJC-5000 according to Canon. When I start printing the print just initialises and then stops. Nothing get's printed. Is anyone out there who has also a Canon BJC-5100 and got it to work? Thanks for any help. Greetings, Ton Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Odd printer action....
On Monday 27 August 2001 19:51, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > skinky wrote: > > It seems strange that even after CUPS is started the printer cannot > > connect to the CUPS server until I supposedly "edit" the printer config. > > Does anyone know why this happens? Or why CUPS won't start on boot like > > it did before I installed KDE2.2? (It is selected to start on boot in > > Mandrake Control Center) Also, try to start CUPS in MCC doesn't work I > > have to use the command in a shell (tho thats easy so it makes no > > difference to me). > > > > TIA > > skinky > > Do you have the network stuff turned on? I didn't, and had to reset CUPS > each time I shutdown and restarted. CUPS uses the network server, AFAIK. > Hope this helps! ;-) Also, if you are using KDE 2.2 Final do update to the latest cooker version of CUPS Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Thwarte Certificate?
Do I have to have a Thwarte Certificate to use SSL on my Apache server? Is there an open (free) source version? I am only using my webserver for personal use, freinds and family. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] MB & CPU Suggestion Please
Hi everyone, I am considering upgrading my MB and CPU and would like to know which would be a better choice for LM8. I am looking for AMD Duron 900 - 1GHz or Athlon T-bird 1GHz. and maybe Microstar K7T Turbo or GigaByte GA-7ZXR-C I am a student with not so much $, so I am looking for CPU under $150CDN and MB under $240CDN. My current hardware that will go in the new system is SCSI PCI for HP6300C, ATI 4MB PCI(just for now), Ethernet PCI for SHAW. Would anyone recommend a combination of this hardware or something more appropriate for LM8, please. Is there any benefit to choosing T-Bird over Duron? Thank you in advance, Doug ___ Visit http://www.visto.com. Find out how companies are linking mobile users to the enterprise with Visto. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mouse wheel & kde 2.2
On Tuesday 28 August 2001 13:07, you wrote: > Hallo! > > After upgrading to kde 2.2 i've noticed that both kmail v.1.3 and galeon > v.0.12 move 1 page down each wheel's click. Konqueror and NS4.77 work > fine with this moving 1 line down each click 8-? > > Under Galeon's settings i can change this but nothing happens... > Thanks!! You could try changing the mouse scroll settings KDE Control Center > Peripherals > Mouse > Advanced tab > Mouse Wheel Scrolls By Might work. HTH skinky _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Odd printer action....
At 21:40 27/08/2001 +0200, you wrote: >On Monday 27 August 2001 19:51, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > > skinky wrote: > > > It seems strange that even after CUPS is started the printer cannot > > > connect to the CUPS server until I supposedly "edit" the printer config. > > > Does anyone know why this happens? Or why CUPS won't start on boot like > > > it did before I installed KDE2.2? (It is selected to start on boot in > > > Mandrake Control Center) Also, try to start CUPS in MCC doesn't work I > > > have to use the command in a shell (tho thats easy so it makes no > > > difference to me). > > > > > > TIA > > > skinky > > > > Do you have the network stuff turned on? I didn't, and had to reset CUPS > > each time I shutdown and restarted. CUPS uses the network server, AFAIK. > > Hope this helps! ;-) > >Also, if you are using KDE 2.2 Final do update to the latest cooker >version of CUPS > >Civileme > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s words, written Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:01:00 -0400 (EDT) >a few days and it seems to me that vi is a lot easier thus far. The >CTRL-D/DEL >thing in emacs is a real hassle. I know that vi is intended for C >programming >and emacs for command interpreting/bash programming, so is it best for me to >use both? What are the advantages of each tool under different >circumstances? Pick one and stick with it. Some like vi, some like emacs. And some like gedit/nedit/whatever. I think it is good to have a choice, figure out what's the best for you, and then use it :) Paul -- Such is life. And life becomes sucher and sucher. http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.5.3 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
In reply to brown1302's words, written Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:11:26 -0700 >WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LINUX NEWBIE PROBLEMS!! THERE ARE OTHER >VENUES FOR THIS CRAP> Ah, I see a person who means business... You scared me. Glad to know there are still living entities out there that don't care about fellow humans. NOT! Paul -- Such is life. And life becomes sucher and sucher. http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.5.3 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Odd printer action....
On Tuesday 28 August 2001 05:51, you wrote: > skinky wrote: > > It seems strange that even after CUPS is started the printer cannot > > connect to the CUPS server until I supposedly "edit" the printer > > config. Does anyone know why this happens? Or why CUPS won't start on > > boot like it did before I installed KDE2.2? (It is selected to start > > on boot in Mandrake Control Center) Also, try to start CUPS in MCC > > doesn't work I have to use the command in a shell (tho thats easy so > > it makes no difference to me). > > > > TIA > > skinky > > Do you have the network stuff turned on? I didn't, and had to reset CUPS > each time I shutdown and restarted. CUPS uses the network server, AFAIK. > Hope this helps! ;-) Thanks Ron, I didn't realise that CUPS used the network server - set it to start on boot (in MCC), rebooted and voila my printer connects to CUPS automagically again! I had turned the network thingy off thinking that since I only have a single PC (i.e. no LAN) that it would be a security risk when connected to the net. Anyway, many thanks! Cheers skinky _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
brown1302 wrote: > > WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LINUX NEWBIE PROBLEMS!! THERE ARE OTHER > VENUES FOR THIS CRAP> ___ I'm sure there are other venues for *this* kind of crap that you have posted as well. oh, by the way, your headlights are on. maybe your batteries are running down and your congratulatory modules require more power. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 > - Original Message - > From: "d" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy > > > LURKER here, Congrats. A little word of advice, I am sure you never have > > had any nor will you from any others. When my wife and I married 38 years > > ago we made an agreement that this was more than a marrage, it is a > > partnership and any decisions made that effected both would be agreed upon > > by both. We have always discussed thingys first then made our decision > and > > went forward with that. Worked for us. Hope you have as GREAT a luck as > > we have. Never go to sleep without the "I Love You" closing. > > > > > > At 02:57 PM 8/26/01, you wrote: > > >Just curious - anyone going on the Linux Lunacy 7 day cruise in the > Caribeaan? > > >(sp?). > > > > > >Its in October, and my fiance' and I are going to use it for a honeymoon, > > >-'Nix- style! > > > > > >Somebody congratulate me, the date is October 19th! ;- > > > > > >-- > > > > > > /\ > > > Dark> > > \/ > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > >Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > > > > TIA, > > 'd' > > Don Hodges > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > San Antonio, Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mplayer(Please disreguard this email)
Like the Subject please disreguard this email, Once I opened the tar there was a folder called DOCS, with plenty of info. Sorry All --- "D. Hoyem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > I just read through all of this months archive's > on > mplayer. I had this instaled on my Mandrake 8.0 one > time, but when I started reading how to use it ie > the > help file, my eyes started to cross, etc. It was > very > difficult for me to determine how to play a movie on > it. Is there someplace where I could print out the > commands and try and learn them or is there a simple > command line that I could use and it would work with > most file?? > I appreciate your patience with this newbie. > Don > --- Len Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > > > Red Hat's GCC is _not_, as some will tell you, > > buggy. It is just fussier and > > > less forgiving with code. Mandrake's GCC is a > > pruning from the (then > > > unfinished) GCC 3.0 tree. It was called 2.96 > > simply because the number had > > > been vacated by the GCC developers (to avoid > > confusion with Red Hat's > > > version). In other words, Mandrake does not use > > Red Hat's GCC. MPlayer works > > > flawlessly in Mandrake 8.0 when configured with > > the --disable-gcc-checking > > > flag before compilation. > > > > It compiles with GCC 2.95 in Mandrake 7.2 with X > > 4.0.1 but does not work. > > Just spent a whole week fiddling with it. > > > > -- > > Len Lawrence @ The Thistle Foundation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from > MandrakeSoft? > > > > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: RE: Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough for Micro soft
On Monday 27 August 2001 19:56, Jim Dawson wrote: > Sort of like HAL is one letter off from IBM... > > I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that... > > DAVE! Put down that Windows NT install disk! DAVE! PLEASE! Oh my God, it's full of penguins ... -- Michel Clasquin, D Litt et Phil (Unisa) [EMAIL PROTECTED]/unisa.ac.za http://www.geocities.com/clasqm This message was posted from a Microsoft-free PC To understand recursion, one must first understand recursion. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
Sorry for top posting :-)) but I couldn't resist. This is the newbie mailing list, not the newbie problems mailing list if you've got a problem with us congratulating a fellow member on his forthcoming marriage then the problems you have got are not Linux or Mandrake related, you need another kind of help. And I add my warmest congratulations as well ! On Monday 27 August 2001 15:11, you wrote: > WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LINUX NEWBIE PROBLEMS!! THERE ARE OTHER > VENUES FOR THIS CRAP> > - Original Message - > From: "d" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy > > > LURKER here, Congrats. A little word of advice, I am sure you never have > > had any nor will you from any others. When my wife and I married 38 > > years ago we made an agreement that this was more than a marrage, it is a > > partnership and any decisions made that effected both would be agreed > > upon by both. We have always discussed thingys first then made our > > decision > > and > > > went forward with that. Worked for us. Hope you have as GREAT a luck as > > we have. Never go to sleep without the "I Love You" closing. > > > > At 02:57 PM 8/26/01, you wrote: > > >Just curious - anyone going on the Linux Lunacy 7 day cruise in the > > Caribeaan? > > > >(sp?). > > > > > >Its in October, and my fiance' and I are going to use it for a > > > honeymoon, -'Nix- style! > > > > > >Somebody congratulate me, the date is October 19th! ;- > > > > > >-- > > > > > > /\ > > > Dark> > > \/ > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > >Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > > > > TIA, > > 'd' > > Don Hodges > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > San Antonio, Texas > > --- >- > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: -- Poogle Registered Linux user 182657 (added to sig for the benefit of those irritated by it) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LINUX NEWBIE PROBLEMS!! THERE ARE OTHER VENUES FOR THIS CRAP> - Original Message - From: "d" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy > LURKER here, Congrats. A little word of advice, I am sure you never have > had any nor will you from any others. When my wife and I married 38 years > ago we made an agreement that this was more than a marrage, it is a > partnership and any decisions made that effected both would be agreed upon > by both. We have always discussed thingys first then made our decision and > went forward with that. Worked for us. Hope you have as GREAT a luck as > we have. Never go to sleep without the "I Love You" closing. > > > At 02:57 PM 8/26/01, you wrote: > >Just curious - anyone going on the Linux Lunacy 7 day cruise in the Caribeaan? > >(sp?). > > > >Its in October, and my fiance' and I are going to use it for a honeymoon, > >-'Nix- style! > > > >Somebody congratulate me, the date is October 19th! ;- > > > >-- > > > > /\ > > Dark> > \/ > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > > TIA, > 'd' > Don Hodges > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > San Antonio, Texas > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition (poll)
On Monday 27 August 2001 01:05 pm, Bill escribió: > > Athlon, on the other hand does show some increased efficiency. > > Expect that when gcc 3.x is out, there may be some larger benefits > > available for both processors. > > > > Civileme > > Is there a specific flag that I can use now to optimize on an athlon > with gcc-2.96-0.58 ? > > rpm -bb --target=?? test.spec I've tried some Athlon opt'd compiles with gcc-2.96-0.57mdk and the results have been less than stellar. I'm goin to wait till Mandrake has their gcc 3 (probly 3.1) included in the main release. Right now, either 586 or 686 is solid with a 1.55gig Tbird. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
I use emacs for everything. I find it too much of a pain to jump around from editor to editor for different projects. I spend my work days writing shell scripts, editing text files, and C++ programming, and use emacs for all of these tasks. If you take the time to thoroughly learn emacs, you don't need vi, IMHO. Tim - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi > Good afternoon folks, > > I'm starting to do pretty much everything from the command line now, to the > point that I don't even touch XWindows for most of the day. While this is cool > and exciting, I'm curious as to people's opinions on what text editor I should > use for programming, file editing, etc. I have only been playing with them for > a few days and it seems to me that vi is a lot easier thus far. The CTRL-D/DEL > thing in emacs is a real hassle. I know that vi is intended for C programming > and emacs for command interpreting/bash programming, so is it best for me to > use both? What are the advantages of each tool under different circumstances? > Thanks as always for your collective infinite wisdom. > > Peace, > Isaac > > > > "When I gave food to the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why the > poor had no food, they called me a communist." > > - Archbishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mouse wheel & kde 2.2
Hallo! After upgrading to kde 2.2 i've noticed that both kmail v.1.3 and galeon v.0.12 move 1 page down each wheel's click. Konqueror and NS4.77 work fine with this moving 1 line down each click 8-? Under Galeon's settings i can change this but nothing happens... Thanks!! -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
Good afternoon folks, I'm starting to do pretty much everything from the command line now, to the point that I don't even touch XWindows for most of the day. While this is cool and exciting, I'm curious as to people's opinions on what text editor I should use for programming, file editing, etc. I have only been playing with them for a few days and it seems to me that vi is a lot easier thus far. The CTRL-D/DEL thing in emacs is a real hassle. I know that vi is intended for C programming and emacs for command interpreting/bash programming, so is it best for me to use both? What are the advantages of each tool under different circumstances? Thanks as always for your collective infinite wisdom. Peace, Isaac "When I gave food to the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why the poor had no food, they called me a communist." - Archbishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:39:31 -0400 "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was inspired to comment: > Michael Scottaline wrote: > > > Hey congratulations, Ron!! Especially on having a future Mrs. who > thinks > > that's a honeymoon. My bride would Bobbitt me that > > happens...> ;o) > > Best of Luck, > > Mike > > > > Thanks! > > Well, I figured I'd hit the Linux conf.'s during daylight hours...O but > the > nights! ;-) = Ah, good move! Seriously, I hope you folks have te most wonderful time, and many, many years of marital bliss. [and no., that's not an *oxymoron*] ;o) Enjoy, Mike -- "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer." - Frank Zappa _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: Re: [newbie] religion in linux
Yup, I aggree... and this is also true of other scripting languages like PHP and PERL... but maybe I'm just being too much of a purist. I think you also have to understand that a lot of so called "crappy" programmers never had anyone show them how to write code so it's not their fault. My wife is learning ActionScripting for Flash at her new job. There is a "senior" programmer that she works under. I have been working with her at home on her programming skils, and the quality of her work now surpasses the her manager's work. But it's hard to fault either of them because they are simply ignorant of programming practices and plus they don't really care because they don't see themselves as programmers. I mean you just don't see a lot of discussions about design patterns and application modeling in the VB, PHP, PERL, etc.. newsgroups... It's too bad really... As linux becomes more and more popular and as time goes on some sort of basic programming skill will be required -- kind of like typing was when I was in high school. > -Original Message- > From: Jim Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Re: [newbie] religion in linux > > > That must be a popular title. I've seen more crappy > prgorammers writing in VB than in any other language. ;-) > > Too many pepole seem to think that just because a language > such as VB makes it easy to program, real programming skills > are not actually required. > > -Original Message- > From: Jay DeKing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:56:52 -0400 > Subject: Re: [newbie] religion in linux > > and today I bought a book on (cringe) VBscript, aka "VB for crappy > programmers," so I can customize (i.e. make functional) some > new software my > department at work just bought. > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mplayer
Hi All, I just read through all of this months archive's on mplayer. I had this instaled on my Mandrake 8.0 one time, but when I started reading how to use it ie the help file, my eyes started to cross, etc. It was very difficult for me to determine how to play a movie on it. Is there someplace where I could print out the commands and try and learn them or is there a simple command line that I could use and it would work with most file?? I appreciate your patience with this newbie. Don --- Len Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > Red Hat's GCC is _not_, as some will tell you, > buggy. It is just fussier and > > less forgiving with code. Mandrake's GCC is a > pruning from the (then > > unfinished) GCC 3.0 tree. It was called 2.96 > simply because the number had > > been vacated by the GCC developers (to avoid > confusion with Red Hat's > > version). In other words, Mandrake does not use > Red Hat's GCC. MPlayer works > > flawlessly in Mandrake 8.0 when configured with > the --disable-gcc-checking > > flag before compilation. > > It compiles with GCC 2.95 in Mandrake 7.2 with X > 4.0.1 but does not work. > Just spent a whole week fiddling with it. > > -- > Len Lawrence @ The Thistle Foundation > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: RE: Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough for Micro soft
Sort of like HAL is one letter off from IBM... I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that... DAVE! Put down that Windows NT install disk! DAVE! PLEASE! -Original Message- From: Mark Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:35:08 -0500 Subject: RE: Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough for Micro soft FWIW: WNT is one letter away from VMS coincidence? > -Original Message- > From: Jim Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough for > Microsoft > > > Actually, the NT kernel is closer to VMS. In fact, Microsoft > hired some of the key VMS engineers from Digital to design NT. > > -Original Message- > From: Tim Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:22:05 -0400 > Subject: Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough > for Microsoft > > I think it's been basic knowledge for some time, that the > Windows kernel > was an "adapted" BSD kernel. They've never really tried to prove they > did or didn't. > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File set up
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:13:51 -0400 Scott Parks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was inspired to comment: > Just a simple question, how are most of you setting up your file systems > for install? > /boot > / > /swap > /usr > /var > /home > > or are you doing one big / = Scot, I'm not sure, but I don't believe swap gets a mount point. No "/" Mike -- "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer." - Frank Zappa _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition (poll)
> Ummm, well actually there is a separate flag for the Athlon optimisations., > and they should not necessarily be counted with the i686. > > One list member compiled extensive for 686 a while ago and her results were > disappointing. In general the binaries were slower on a 686 than their 586 > equivalents. > > Athlon, on the other hand does show some increased efficiency. Expect that > when gcc 3.x is out, there may be some larger benefits available for both > processors. > > Civileme Is there a specific flag that I can use now to optimize on an athlon with gcc-2.96-0.58 ? rpm -bb --target=?? test.spec Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
Roger Sherman wrote: > Congrats (or my sympathies, whichever applies ;-))! > > peace, > > Rog Its "congrats", she's the best! (darn near the only thing that can drag me away from my keyboard!) ;-) -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
d wrote: > > LURKER here, Congrats. A little word of advice, I am sure you never have > had any nor will you from any others. When my wife and I married 38 years > ago we made an agreement that this was more than a marrage, it is a > partnership and any decisions made that effected both would be agreed upon > by both. We have always discussed thingys first then made our decision and > went forward with that. Worked for us. Hope you have as GREAT a luck as > we have. Never go to sleep without the "I Love You" closing. Thanks, that seems pretty sound! ;-) -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Odd printer action....
skinky wrote: > It seems strange that even after CUPS is started the printer cannot > connect to the CUPS server until I supposedly "edit" the printer config. > Does anyone know why this happens? Or why CUPS won't start on boot like > it did before I installed KDE2.2? (It is selected to start on boot in > Mandrake Control Center) Also, try to start CUPS in MCC doesn't work I > have to use the command in a shell (tho thats easy so it makes no > difference to me). > > TIA > skinky Do you have the network stuff turned on? I didn't, and had to reset CUPS each time I shutdown and restarted. CUPS uses the network server, AFAIK. Hope this helps! ;-) -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] religion in linux
That must be a popular title. I've seen more crappy prgorammers writing in VB than in any other language. ;-) Too many pepole seem to think that just because a language such as VB makes it easy to program, real programming skills are not actually required. -Original Message- From: Jay DeKing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:56:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [newbie] religion in linux and today I bought a book on (cringe) VBscript, aka "VB for crappy programmers," so I can customize (i.e. make functional) some new software my department at work just bought. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
Marcia Waller wrote: > > Congratulations! Great idea to mix Linux cruise and honeymoon. > > I like the great advice below. Thanks for sharing. > > May the Blessings Be, > Marcia Thank you much! ;-) -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
Michael Scottaline wrote: > Hey congratulations, Ron!! Especially on having a future Mrs. who thinks > that's a honeymoon. My bride would Bobbitt me happens...> ;o) > Best of Luck, > Mike Thanks! Well, I figured I'd hit the Linux conf.'s during daylight hours...O but the nights! ;-) -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition (poll)
On Monday 27 August 2001 02:40, Bill wrote: > Click on KDE control and look next to machine, it will say i686 or i586. > > On Sunday 26 August 2001 07:16 pm, you wrote: > > Would you be interested in a Linux Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition? > > http://pclinuxonline.com/pollBooth.php?op=results&pollID=30 > > See poll results. > > > > > > I have a duron 750mhz. > > does this count as a i686? > > Is there such a thing as a "Linux Mandrake 8.1 i586 edition"? > > > > > > > > Anguo Ummm, well actually there is a separate flag for the Athlon optimisations., and they should not necessarily be counted with the i686. One list member compiled extensive for 686 a while ago and her results were disappointing. In general the binaries were slower on a 686 than their 586 equivalents. Athlon, on the other hand does show some increased efficiency. Expect that when gcc 3.x is out, there may be some larger benefits available for both processors. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough for Microsoft
FWIW: WNT is one letter away from VMS coincidence? > -Original Message- > From: Jim Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough for > Microsoft > > > Actually, the NT kernel is closer to VMS. In fact, Microsoft > hired some of the key VMS engineers from Digital to design NT. > > -Original Message- > From: Tim Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:22:05 -0400 > Subject: Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough > for Microsoft > > I think it's been basic knowledge for some time, that the > Windows kernel > was an "adapted" BSD kernel. They've never really tried to prove they > did or didn't. > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File sharing Windows, Samba and LISa
On Monday 27 August 2001 13:08, you wrote: > > By the sound of your email, I got the impression that your talking about a > network at your office, and I wanted to be sure you knew about this > potential "bug" in Lisa, although I'd prefer to call it a major "BUG"!! in > MS Windows NT & 2000! Ouch!! Sounds more like a good reason to ditch NT. It's not LISa's problem if NT does not challenge it for a password. I don't have NT (its a home network by the way). My Win98 machines however act correctly and will not let LISa browse below any directory with sharing disabled, and will challenge on password protected ones. > > Also, have you tried using the address bar in konqueror? Using the syntax > of "smb://192.168.0.x , I can browse to any Win98 machine on our network. > Once I'm in, I set the location as a bookmark in Konqueror, and I'm done. I > can browse back to that PC anytime. Just make sure that "File Sharing" is > enabled in each Windows machine. Set the password options on the Windows > machines as you prefer, and you're done. > > Hope that helps. I know that's not what you were looking for, but maybe > this will work better for you. By the way, have you tried NFS for Linux to > Linux browsing? It's rock solid, dependable, and fast! > I'll try that. I'm new to Linux, and my Solaris experience is 3 years out of useage, so I'm just feeling my way in. So far I like Mandrake 8.0 very much, and am just building my second Linux computer. Anyone who gets frustrated with Windows should try this link. Its a good giggle (You need Flash,. click about the screen) http://128.241.244.96/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg.swf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] sound card and cd player
Leif Madsen wrote: > Onboard sound isn't really "that" bad since it doesn't steal any resources. > Quality is sometimes something to be weary of though. Hmm, on my sons Soyo MB equipped with AC97 sound, it most definitely does "steal" resources, i.e, IRQs 'n stuff... Sound is -ok- on it though. Doesn't match my SB Xgamer Live!. ;-) -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough for Microsoft
Actually, the NT kernel is closer to VMS. In fact, Microsoft hired some of the key VMS engineers from Digital to design NT. -Original Message- From: Tim Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:22:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough for Microsoft I think it's been basic knowledge for some time, that the Windows kernel was an "adapted" BSD kernel. They've never really tried to prove they did or didn't. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File set up
Scott; Are you setting up a server or workstation? If it's a workstation, try using the "simple" setup. If your hard drive on the workstation is big enough, setup a custom partition to store updates, downloads, and MP3's. I basically use the "archive" partition as a backup drive. If I ever need to re-install Linux, I don't have to download all the updates again, or my MP3's, etc. I just make sure not to format the archive partition when re-installing. The easiest way, is to resize the /home partition to a reasonable size and use the remaining for the /archive partition. If your setting up a server, use all the partitions that the install suggests, and reserve an extra hard drive as an archive for the same reason as above. While backups should be done regularly, restoring from the archive drive is faster than from a backup, and makes a great place to store those time-consuming downloads. Lanman On Monday 27 August 2001 12:13 pm, you wrote: > Just a simple question, how are most of you setting up your file systems > for install? > /boot > / > /swap > /usr > /var > /home > > or are you doing one big / > > Coming from BSD we did the first with all the different partitions. > > -Scott Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough for Microsoft
Also check out: OpenWindows http://www.owpcentral.com ReactOS http://www.reactos.com -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tim Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:40:59 +1000 Subject: Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough for Microsoft On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:22, Tim Holmes wrote: > I think it's been basic knowledge for some time, that the Windows kernel > was an "adapted" BSD kernel. They've never really tried to prove they > did or didn't. No, the Windows kernel is not based on UNIX at all. The Windows NT core was a fork from OS/2 2.x. Microsoft had been developing OS/2 for IBM, and when their partnership ended IBM continued OS/2's development with the Warp series. > Now I guess somebody could reverse engineer Windows, but would be > illegal, and with the help of DMCA, they'd be shot, hung, and all that > good stuff as we've seen demonstrated here lately with the Sklyarov > case. I don't know of any other way to prove that they are 100%. If it could be proven that the reverse-engineers had never seen or used any M$ code, then there is nothing illegal. This is why Samba and WINE aren't illegal. > But also keep in mind, that FreeBSD, itself, doesn't use GPL, it's under > the BSD licensing. And I could be wrong, as I've not done an whole lot > of research on this, but just because you have OpenSource software > incorporated in your software, you don't have to provide ALL the > software to the public, only the OpenSource software needs to be "open." > But again, I may have this all wrong, maybe somebody else could clear > this one up. (To lazy to do any real research on it now. Sorry! lol) The BSD license has few restrictions, the main one being that credit must be given to the authors of the original code. However, the code itself may be modified and used in any way. Derivative works can be closed-source. > As far as sueing them? You can sue anybody for anything, but the > problem here, is that Micro$HAFT has a small chunk of the Devil's arm > in his Legal Department, and most of us have seen the figures of how > much money is put into that department. You may end, but it will cost > you a Bill Gates sized fortune to do so! William Gates II (Bill's father) is a partner in the most powerful law firm in Seattle, so Bill has had legal connections since Microsoft's beginning. No wonder why he often chooses litigation over innovation. > tdh -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sharp electronic organizer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Sharp will bring a new Zaurus modell out this fall (in the US) and next > spring in europe) This modell will have linux installed from scratch, a Java > engine and a AmigaDE virtual sandbox. Thanx muchly for the info. A few questions; 1.)What is AmigaDE Virtual Sandbox? 2.) Do you know what software will be available to sync it with a Desktop PC (the above mentioned AmigaDE Virtual sandbox perhaps?) 3.) Where did you get the info? Is there a website where I can learn more? I guess you can tell I like Sharp. I am using a wizard now, but only know how to make it work with Winduhs. If I get a Linux version, it will take a couple of MB off of the remaining 500 MB I have left of Winduhs. It seems my Winduhs is dying a slow death (we gonna kill ya Sheriff, but we gonna kill ya real slow-like). Then if I get a scanner working under Linux, I'll be comletely free. any help is appreciated and thanx again for sharing the info. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] religion in linux
Robert MacLean wrote: > > heres my personal stand on M$. > If you think of every one of M$ products with the exception of the > OS's, and imagine all the products ran on a decent OS's (eg Linux :) > then think how good M$ really is. There downfall is that they have a 2 > bit OS and they charge too much for there products. M$ comes out with > some of the best ideas in GUI's and ways of doing things. This is my take on it. MS is an advertiser. The sell illusions. They mix in a few real products to trick you into thinking that they are actually selling you something, when in fact, they are trying to slowly chain you into a system in which you cannot buy anything, but have to rent it. Do you think I am being paranoid? If so, please state why? ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] File set up
Just a simple question, how are most of you setting up your file systems for install? /boot / /swap /usr /var /home or are you doing one big / Coming from BSD we did the first with all the different partitions. -Scott Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KMail
gunner I had the same problem. I could send my mail out w/other mail clients but kmail gave me the same error message as you. I'm a "beginning novice" and I just play around w/settings to find out what works, so I loaded both settings for Kmail and, say, Netscape. I compared the two to see what might be different and heres what I did: In Kmail, I went to the menu bar and clicked on "Settings." From there I clicked on the icon in the left vertical panel labeled "Network." Now, a configuration box comes up that has two tabs at the top. One is labeled "Sending Mail" and the other is "Properties." Under "Sending Mail," I noticed two radio buttons, one for "sendmail and a text box labeled "Location." This radio button was checked! The other radio button was labeled "SMTP" and had two text box 's labeled "Server" and "Port." (This radio button was NOT checked!) I checked this radio button and entered into the "Server" text box my mail server address, ie: [mail.mindspring.com] w/out the brackets. I left the "Port" text box alone, for it had "25" entered in it an I didn't see fit to change it! I clicked on "Apply" when I was done. I DID NOT GO BACK AND CHECK THE "SENDMAIL" RADIO BUTTON AFTERWARDS. I LEFT IT CHECKED ON "SMTP." I went back to Kmail and sent a piece of mail. I briefly noticed a pop-up window with sending information and bang...it was sent! As a matter of fact, all the email I tried to send before went out as well. I ended up w/three copies sent to this list just because I tried to send them before three different times. :) Anyway, I'm no one to give advice since I'm here to learn myself but, I am familiar w/what your describing and I hopr this works for you as easy as it did for me. On Monday 27 August 2001 11:40 am, you wrote: > Robert MacLean wrote: > > Hi > > > > That error is coming from your mail server. There is something about > > the persons email address that it doesn't like. Try contacting your > > mail admin. HTH > > This does not quite make sense, as I can send to the same mail adress > from Netscape without problems?? > > / gunner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: -- To be conscious of my ignorance is a great step towards knowledge. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Applications for Programming
Howdy Isaac -- If you're willing to go for that 2nd language already, I recommend Python, which comes on your MDK CDs. If you've got the full install for that, you'll find IDLE under Applications | Development. IDLE is a GUI shell allowing you to interact with Python in a command line environment, which is great for learning, and is something C and Java natively don't have. With some additional work, you can install modules that take you into a more graphical programming mode, but for starters you could just learn the language, which comes with a tutorial. Python is written in ANSI C and extensible thru that language, so you'll still have reason to come back to your C knowledge. The concepts you pick up will help you with Java and other languages too. I've used Python with Povray to get some fun graphics, e.g. see http://www.inetarena.com/~pdx4d/ocn/numeracy0.html Kirby At 03:32 AM 8/27/2001 -0400, Isaac Curtis wrote: >Hey All, > >As I think I said in my other email, I am just finishing Kernighan & >Ritchie's "The C Programming Language" 2nd edition and I also lifted a >copy of "Learning the Bash Shell" (O'Reilly) tonight that I'm starting to >get into. My question/request is that I'm very excited to be learning >these new things but I don't really know what to do with myself now. I'd >like to have some relatively novice-level code to read and maybe some >suggestions for beginners projects to help flex my new muscles. > >1. What are some open-source programs that someone of my experience level >could look at and try to tinker with that will help me to understand more >about programming? > >2. Since I'm starting to learn bash as we speak, what are some tasks that >would be helpful and a little bit challenging for me to try to figure out >how to automate with a script? > >3. Last and *certainly* not least, what are some fun things I can do with >what I know? Call me a newbie, but I don't yet see the gaming application >of C. I used to write neat text-based games in QBasic when I was a little >kid and I'd like to learn how to do more complex ones and maybe even >graphical ones with my new bag of tricks. Any suggestions on where to >turn for a start? Any current games whose code I could look over? > >4. Ok, so this is the real last one: Once I start pushing my C a little >further I'd like to expand into another language. I know the two most >common suggestions will be Java and C++, and I know that everyone will say >eventually I need to learn both. Well, which will give me the most >immediate satisfaction? Does it make more sense to learn one before the >other? Just looking for a few suggestions, I know these debates can get >pretty testy. If it makes any difference, I'm really aching for something >I can apply to some sort of game programs, even very simple ones. > >Thanks as always for your time, >Respectfully, >Isaac > > > >"While the popular understanding of anarchism is of a violent, anti-State >movement, anarchism is a much more subtle and nuanced tradition then a >simple opposition to government power. Anarchists oppose the idea that >power and domination are necessary for society, and instead advocate more >co-operative, anti-hierarchical forms of social, political and economic >organisation." > > - L. Susan Brown, "The Politics of Individualism", www.infoshop.org/faq > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] File sharing Windows, Samba and LISa
Interesting to see the subject of LISa brought up on Mandrake Forum. I can trade some tips on setting up LISa in exchange for a question on Samba I'm happy to say LISa works very well for me with just 2 caveats. 1/ The Configuration GUI in Control Centre has some shortcomings. If you execute it more than once it will concatenate the new LISa settings at the back of the old config file with unpredictable results. I recommend editing the file lisarc in an editor to be sure it says what you need. 2/ In Mandrake 8.0 the lisarc configuration file is stored in an unexpected place. /root/.kde/share/config/lisarc LISa will not automatically find it in this location. LISa has to be started as root each time the computer is started. I put a statement lisa -c /root/.kde/share/config/lisarc in my /etc/rc.d/rc.local file to do this. The '-c' tells LISa to use an explicit config file rather than searching for one. In use LISa works well. I can browse from Konquerer anywhere around my Windows PC's, and can see my wireless LAN modem and firewall as HTML devices. My only remaining problem is Samba related rather than LISa :- My Win98 machine can browse my Linux file system, and can read and write to it. A Win98 machine can also read from the windows partition on my Linux box, but can only write small files to it . Anything under 200k is fine. Files above 200k gives me the message "Cannot create or replace 'filename'. Access is denied" on my Win98 computer. I have no trouble writing the same files to my Linux partition. I have looked everywhere, but cannot find anything to limit file sizes. Any ideas anyone? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Odd printer action....
"Ronald J. Hall" wrote: > > Every so often (not consistent) from a cold start, my HP Deskjet 694c will do > the flashing orange light thingy, where you have to push it to continue, and > then it ejects 1 sheet of paper. I had something similar happen on a HP Deskjet 632C and I traced it back to the last page (that had been printed before I shut down) not being completely ejected. It would be almost ejected. In fact, enough that the top of the sheet would lay down in the tray, but the very last edge of the bottom was still in the printer. I would pull it out without realizing that it was not finishing My printer is under my desk, so that part was blocked from my vision by my keyboard. Then when I booted up, it would respond with the flashing light. Presumably it was doing something to correct the error that I was imposing on it. Even if what is happening to you is not exactly like that, it may be an unfinished page related thing. I corrected mine in CUPS, by deleting the printer and reconfiguring it. That was after a few days of trying to correct it directly with no success. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Doesn't seem to affect anything, Cups > continues to print fine, no problems. Didn't do it until my last MB upgrade. > Is there something in BIOS that could cause this? > After starting, never does it from a reboot. Only intermittently when you > power up from a cold start. Oh well - more nuisance than anything! > > Thanks in advance! ;-) > > -- > > /\ > Dark> \/ > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
Dennis Myers wrote: > > On Sunday 26 August 2001 15:57, you wrote: > > Just curious - anyone going on the Linux Lunacy 7 day cruise in the > > Caribeaan? (sp?). > > > > Its in October, and my fiance' and I are going to use it for a > > honeymoon, -'Nix- style! > > > > Somebody congratulate me, the date is October 19th! ;- Congratulations! Your post blows my mind. I live in the burbs and it's hard for me to find *anyone* who even knows what Linux is, much less someone who knows and that I would also want to marry. Just curious, are you both penquin minded or is it just one and the other tolerant? Anyway, have a good trip. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KMail
Robert MacLean wrote: > > Hi > > That error is coming from your mail server. There is something about > the persons email address that it doesn't like. Try contacting your > mail admin. HTH > This does not quite make sense, as I can send to the same mail adress from Netscape without problems?? / gunner Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition (poll)
On Sunday 26 August 2001 07:16 pm, Anguo escribió: > Would you be interested in a Linux Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition? > http://pclinuxonline.com/pollBooth.php?op=results&pollID=30 > See poll results. > I have a duron 750mhz. > does this count as a i686? To verify your cpu architecture just type 'arch' in a terminal. This should return 'i686' for your Duron. > Is there such a thing as a "Linux Mandrake 8.1 i586 edition"? All Mandrake standard editions are i586 for x86 systems. They use to also release a 486 edition. IIRC, 7.x was the last one. If you --rebuild Mandrake src.rpms on your system they will write i686 rpms (if that's what 'arch' returns). BUT, there'll be very little if any performance increase over i586 rpms. Also, i686 will not run properly on i586 systems. I doubt Mandrake will bother to release future i686 versions for just these reasons. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] windows shared printer??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 27 August 2001 07:21 am, thus spake Jhun Bacala: > I have this HP Laserjet 1100 in our network connected to WIN95 machine. > And I want to a document from my Mandrake 8.0, What should I do to be > able to print to that printer? Samba is installed in my Mandrake box. Assuming the printer is properly shared on the Win95 system, then configuring the printer with kups will probably do the trick. kups is the KDE CUPS config program, works quite well. I had problems getting the Mandrake printer setup utility to work with my own Samba-shared printer, but kups worked perfectly the first time. Dave - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7ilDXA68l26XsZUYRAhMxAKDo6ZHLHdBEPjuyxPfh+U+sfKVk4ACgjHZV 0DGB8Bx/dC0HE6v7/HubTlU= =/gjK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] religion in linux
on 8/27/01 7:58 AM, Mark Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This isn't really on topic here, but does anyone know of any sites the > compare what UI aspects of Microsoft are poor in relation to Mac (and for > that matter KDE and GNOME). I always hear the Mac's UI is superior than MS, > but to tell you the truth, I've never heard that claim backed up. It's very > hard for me to get around Mac, and I realize that it's because I'm so use to > Windows but I figured that I'm a smart enough guy that I should be able to > figure it out. These guys are a bit Mac biased, but they do a good job pointing out the differences http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ A particularly good example is how to close a window in MacOS or Windows http://www.mackido.com/Interface/windows_close.html > (ps: I'm running OS X at home This article is pre OS X. I've also never used OS X. I do know from reading about OS X, Apple took a few steps backwards in interface design. In fact earlier in OS X's development Apple was taking so many steps backwards that it caused me to get a PC instead of another Mac. They since fixed a lot of the things they were going to do poorly (but not all of them). Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] windows shared printer??
Can you "see" the 95 box from Mandrake? i.e. in Network Neighbourhood? Or can you ping it? If so then then you need to tell 95 to share the printer, go to the printers folder and right click the printer and choose properties, then choose sharing and set it on. Then, as root, in Mandrake got to control center and set up the printer with the right drivers but tell Mandrake it's a Samba shared printer attached to the 95 box, IP numbers etc. Hope that helps On Monday 27 August 2001 08:21, you wrote: > Hi All! > > I have this HP Laserjet 1100 in our network connected to WIN95 machine. > And I want to a document from my Mandrake 8.0, What should I do to be able > to print to that printer? Samba is installed in my Mandrake box. > > Thanks > > Jhun Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: -- MJK Systems-IT Consultants & Training Phone/Fax-020 8697 4912 Mobile-077 4066 3292 Linux User #-196384 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] religion in linux
This isn't really on topic here, but does anyone know of any sites the compare what UI aspects of Microsoft are poor in relation to Mac (and for that matter KDE and GNOME). I always hear the Mac's UI is superior than MS, but to tell you the truth, I've never heard that claim backed up. It's very hard for me to get around Mac, and I realize that it's because I'm so use to Windows but I figured that I'm a smart enough guy that I should be able to figure it out. Some people say the Windows users try to hard and impose too much complexity on the Mac's UI and that's why they have so much trouble -- that they just need to relax more... I guess so, but I'd like to see a side by side comparison of where MS dropped the ball as far as UI design. (ps: I'm running OS X at home, you no longer have the ability to position a background, you can only tile it. Now, I might be just stupid and can't find the "center" preference, but if I'm right in believing that you no longer have a choice in positioning the background I'd have to say Mac goofed up on this one) > -Original Message- > From: Matt Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:51 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] religion in linux > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Robert MacLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > heres my personal stand on M$. > > If you think of every one of M$ products with the exception of the > > OS's, and imagine all the products ran on a decent OS's (eg Linux :) > > then think how good M$ really is. There downfall is that > they have a 2 > > bit OS and they charge too much for there products. M$ > comes out with > > some of the best ideas in GUI's and ways of doing things. > > Microsoft's Mac programs are great. I believe because they > are constrained > within Apple's human interface guidelines. But MS and good > GUI really don't > mix. A close study of MacOS and Windows really shows how poor > the Windows > GUI is. Apple is referred to quite a bit in the world of > interface design, > and their book on the human interface is practically canon. > > Matt > > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Deleting Netscape .snm files?
At 09:51 PM 08/26/2001 -0700, you wrote: >> There are too many folders and sub folders for me to delete each *.snm >> file via the GNOME file manager so I thought I'd resort to the Linux > >Use find to locate the files, and then do an rm on what files it finds. > >find . =name "*.snm" | xargs rm > >A shorter way: > >rm `find . -name "*.shm"` > That should probably be rm -f, since without the f (unless rm is aliased that way), you'll be asked whether or not you want to delete every file it finds. If it's 3 or 4, it isn't such a big deal--but if it is 50 or so, it gets time consuming. Just a thought, Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems & Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] windows shared printer??
Hi All! I have this HP Laserjet 1100 in our network connected to WIN95 machine. And I want to a document from my Mandrake 8.0, What should I do to be able to print to that printer? Samba is installed in my Mandrake box. Thanks Jhun Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] no quiero mas email
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > por favor no enviarme mas email Try http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Test/UnsubscribingFromMailingLists, sorry, it's in English -- I don't know much Spanish. Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] kmail filter question
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:13, Jim Kempton wrote: > Hey all > > Anyone suggest how to filter any incoming mail containing HTML and forward > it straight to trash? How about filtering the message body for tags like and ? -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] religion in linux
- Original Message - From: "Robert MacLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > heres my personal stand on M$. > If you think of every one of M$ products with the exception of the > OS's, and imagine all the products ran on a decent OS's (eg Linux :) > then think how good M$ really is. There downfall is that they have a 2 > bit OS and they charge too much for there products. M$ comes out with > some of the best ideas in GUI's and ways of doing things. Microsoft's Mac programs are great. I believe because they are constrained within Apple's human interface guidelines. But MS and good GUI really don't mix. A close study of MacOS and Windows really shows how poor the Windows GUI is. Apple is referred to quite a bit in the world of interface design, and their book on the human interface is practically canon. Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Big5 or Mandrake in the land of Formosa.
Anguo: > > yes xcin is the input method you use when you press ctrl+space. It is not the > size in kedit that bother me but the size in the little box when I input > chinese. > I have a 14'' monitor and it really looks small and I haven't yet found a way > to increase the font size. > It's not yet at the top of my priority list though, so I'll see later about > that. > I think the only way is to modify the X's configuration file about Fonts and reboot it. But you are right, it is not urgent, so I won't do that too. > > Yes, you might want to wait another two months for the new release or, if you > are in a hurry, install the new ghostcript on your current distro. (ask > Civileme about what exactly to install). > In the early period and nowadays, there are many ways/tools to print Chinese under Linux for many conditions. For example, for text file, there is one way, and for Netscape, there is another one too, and for ps file, there is also another one way. What I am concerning is whether the printing procedure can reduce to one way, and make it consistency-- I don't need to worry about what sort of files I am printing; I just select "Print" option, hitting "OK", or give command at command line, and everything is ok, like printing English documents. > > Not many people in taiwan seem to be using linux as a desktop os. > Most linux users here use linux as a server os. > > Well, there are at least two of us ;-) > > I have to admit the fact that Linux is a nice solution for low-level, low-price server. If one day I need to build a server, I'll choose Linux too. But I think Linux can be a nice desktop OS too. For Taiwan users, the most important thing is the support for Chinese in every aspect, and then the "look and feel", that is the operations under X's GUI desktop. If both is supported well, it's time to introduce Mandrake as the desktop OS to the users. By the way, I guess you are long enough on the list. Do you know who is in charge about traditional Chinese aspect of Mandrake? I know CLE played an important role in backing up Mandrake's Chinese support before. But I am a little confused at how to delimit them. Does Mandrake still rely on CLE, or Mandrake has gone far away from CLE? Frank Chen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] kmail filter question
Jim Kempton banged on their keyboard and produced the following arrangement of letters: - Anyone suggest how to filter any incoming mail containing HTML and forward it straight to trash? -- it would be easier to set up kmail to display mail as plain text only, regardless of the source. You can then create a keyboard shorcut (like "h") so that, should you need to, you can view a specific email as html. Anguo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] software manager hangs
Hi Mike, Has anyone been able to help you? I am not very familiar with rpm... I have been avoiding to install manually... So I hope someone will be able to give you some advice. As far as software manager is concerned, I had very similar problems... worse actually. This program seems to be a hog and resources hungry because it has to load a bid database so that it can opperate. I first installed mandrake on a pentium 120mhz with 32mb ram... and kde was not so happy about it. Software manager hanged up at the very start, while drawing the first screen. Your 64mb ram do not seem to be much. If I were you, I'd seriously consider upgrading to 128mb ram, possibly 256mb. I now run mandrake on a duron 750mhz with 256mb ram and I am happy! :-D you say you use lnx4win to run mandrake. Does this mean that your mandrake/linux runs under windows??? I believe you loose all benefit of having linux if that's true. Dual boot with linux and windows each having their own partition would be much better. Anyway, go for more memory: windows and kde are very hungry for resources. Either that or run another xwindows gui build for low end computers. hope that helps, Anguo Michael Koundouros banged on their keyboard and produced the following arrangement of letters: - Hi folks, - - I am using mandrake 8.0. I installed it using lnx4win on a celeron 300mhz - laptop with 64mb ram. I have been having trouble with the software manager - as it hangs most of the time. what normally happens is when I start it, it - says that its scanning Cd1. It usually (not always though) hangs when it - reaches 99%. Every now and then it manages to load properly and subsequently - works well. Does anyone know what the problem is? - - - I really want to know how to install programs. lately I have been using the - rpm -i command in a shell since I have been having the software manager - problem mentioned above. the problem arises with all the program - dependencies. - - How do I install a program WITHOUT having to find all the dependencies and - their dependencies and so on. For example I tried to install the latest - version of koffice. I got an error saying that libmng.so.0 was missing. so I - went and downloaded an rpm that contained it. I tried to install it but I - got an error saying it conflicts with libmng1-1.0.0-2mdk. I don't want to - uninstall libmng1-1.0.0-2mdk because several program depend on it so what do - I do??? Please help as I really like Linux but find it really hard to - install programs. - - regards - mike - - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] booting windoze
Hi Terry, I notice you email in my pile of unread messages... I see that no one seem to have replied at all... Were you able to solve the problem? I am afraid that I am not competent enough to be able to help you, but don't hesitate to post again your question should you still have problems (you know, the list is busy and it's easy to overlook any message). I hope all is well with you, Anguo Terry C banged on their keyboard and produced the following arrangement of letters: - I sent this yesterday but did not see it appear in my - newbie list mail, so here it is again. - - Because of reasons of my own making I had to do a - fresh install of mandrake 8.0. I set up Grub to make - Linux my default OS. When I attempted to boot into - windows, the bootup made it to "chainloader +1" and - wouldn't progress beyond that point. I tried using - LILO, it made it to "Loading Windows" and wouldn't - progress any further. - I am using an ABIT KT7A Raid MB with an IBM hard - drive plugged into ide2. Windows partition is hde1, - and - Linux root partition is hde5. Here is the Grub - menu.lst entry: - - timeout 5 - color black/cyan yellow/cyan - i18n (hd0,4)/boot/grub/messages - keytable (hd0,4)/boot/us.klt - altconfigfile (hd0,4)/boot/grub/menu.once - default 0 - - title linux - kernel (hd0,4)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hde5 - hda=ide-scsi hdd=ide-floppy quiet vga=788 - initrd (hd0,4)/boot/initrd.img - - title linux-nonfb - kernel (hd0,4)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hde5 - hda=ide-scsi hdd=ide-floppy - initrd (hd0,4)/boot/initrd.img - - title failsafe - kernel (hd0,4)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hde5 - hda=ide-scsi hdd=ide-floppy failsafeinitrd - (hd0,4)/boot/initrd.img - - title windows - root (hd0,0) - makeactive - chainloader +1 - - title floppy - root (fd0) - chainloader +1 - - Here's the windows entry from lilo.conf: - - other=/dev/hde1 - label=windows - table=/dev/hde - - What's wrong? - Thanks for the help. - - TC - - - - __ - Do You Yahoo!? - Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger - http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Movement of Windows Netscape files to Linux
I have managed to set-up Netscape under Linux and wonder if I start using it if I can add messages to existing folders and more folders by copying them from Windows mnt directory without overwriting the existing contents of the folders that are there i.e. I currently have 26 items in my sent items under windows and perhaps there will be 2 or 3 sent messages in Linux. I would like to 'copy' the items in the Windows Sent items folder without overwriting the existing contents. I am aware that this can be done via a drag and drop approach but I have over 200 Windows folders that may or may not be created under Linux and I do not want to lose any of the email or folders I have created either under Windows or Linux. Any CLI ideas? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Big5 or Mandrake in the land of Formosa.
Hi Frank! Frank Chen banged on their keyboard and produced the following arrangement of letters: - I know xcin is an input method, and I don't know whether I am using it or - not. - When I open KEdit, I can press Ctrl + Space to change mode to enter - Chinese characters. The size of its list is fine to recognize. And you can - change - KEdit's setting about the charset and the font size to display. yes xcin is the input method you use when you press ctrl+space. It is not the size in kedit that bother me but the size in the little box when I input chinese. I have a 14'' monitor and it really looks small and I haven't yet found a way to increase the font size. It's not yet at the top of my priority list though, so I'll see later about that. - I don't know xcin well, so I don't know whether it supports Unicode or not. - However, from my sense, there is no Unicode character's input method yet. no xcin doesn't support unicode. RedHat uses CLE but I'm not sure about CLE. I think I'll make my computer a dual boot with mandrake and Redhat chinese edition so I'll be able to compare the two as far as chinese/unicode support is concerned... but that isn't at the top of my priority list either... ;-) - In fact, I am struggling with printing Chinese documents under Mandrake 8.0. - I am trying to ask CLE team and people regarding ZH-L10N. - If 8.1 solves this problem, I'll give it a try when I get it. Yes, you might want to wait another two months for the new release or, if you are in a hurry, install the new ghostcript on your current distro. (ask Civileme about what exactly to install). - I want to use Mandrake Linux as the desktop OS. I hope I can consider and - operate - it this way. Not many people in taiwan seem to be using linux as a desktop os. Most linux users here use linux as a server os. Well, there are at least two of us ;-) Be well, Anguo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] kmail filter question
Hey all Anyone suggest how to filter any incoming mail containing HTML and forward it straight to trash? tia Jim -- MJK Systems-IT Consultants & Training Phone/Fax-020 8697 4912 Mobile-077 4066 3292 Linux User #-196384 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition: what's in it?
Sridhar Dhanapalan banged on their keyboard and produced the following arrangement of letters: - AMD Athlons and Durons have their own architecture (and even their own - compilation options in gcc), but are also compatible with i686. The AMD K6 - series is Pentium-class, and so is 1586 compatible. - Usually the speed boost isn't large enough to make a real difference. That - doesn't stop me from compiling all my packages for i686, though :-) Thanks Sridhar! :-) Anguo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Applications for Programming
I'm not much of a programer, but this often can work to my advantage when helping newbies (e.g. I don't say stuff like "Assembly is easy. Start with that"). On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:32, Isaac Curtis wrote: > Hey All, > > As I think I said in my other email, I am just finishing Kernighan & > Ritchie's "The C Programming Language" 2nd edition and I also lifted a > copy of "Learning the Bash Shell" (O'Reilly) tonight that I'm starting > to get into. My question/request is that I'm very excited to be > learning these new things but I don't really know what to do with myself > now. I'd like to have some relatively novice-level code to read and > maybe some suggestions for beginners projects to help flex my new muscles. > > 1. What are some open-source programs that someone of my experience > level could look at and try to tinker with that will help me to > understand more about programming? Stay away from GUI stuff. Look at small console apps. > 2. Since I'm starting to learn bash as we speak, what are some tasks > that would be helpful and a little bit challenging for me to try to > figure out how to automate with a script? I can't think of any specific 'tasks', but put some time into learning the grep and awk commands. According to the man page, awk is a "pattern scanning and processing language", and can be extremely useful for a sysadmin. > 4. Ok, so this is the real last one: Once I start pushing my C a > little further I'd like to expand into another language. I know the two > most common suggestions will be Java and C++, and I know that everyone > will say eventually I need to learn both. Well, which will give me the > most immediate satisfaction? Does it make more sense to learn one > before the other? Just looking for a few suggestions, I know these > debates can get pretty testy. If it makes any difference, I'm really > aching for something I can apply to some sort of game programs, even > very simple ones. Python is the ultimate beginners' language -- simple, uncluttered, functional and easy to learn. Java isn't bad, but C++ is a pain. Perl is very useful, but it can be difficult. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] religion in linux
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:40, Robert MacLean wrote: > heres my personal stand on M$. > If you think of every one of M$ products with the exception of the > OS's, and imagine all the products ran on a decent OS's (eg Linux :) > then think how good M$ really is. There downfall is that they have a 2 > bit OS and they charge too much for there products. M$ comes out with > some of the best ideas in GUI's and ways of doing things. The Windos interface pre-Win95 was a cross between that of the Mac and one developed at the Xerox PARC Institute. WinXP's "Luna" interface is a poor rip-off of Apple's "Aqua". People attribute far too much to Microsoft, often since they haven't used the environments that originated these designs. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KMail
Hi That error is coming from your mail server. There is something about the persons email address that it doesn't like. Try contacting your mail admin. HTH Robert MacLean - Original Message - From: "gunner carstens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mandrake newbie-list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:12 AM Subject: [newbie] KMail > I have used KMail with no problems for some months now. Suddenly it > makes this problem: > > "Sending failed: RCPT > a SMTP error occured. > Response: 553, sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts > (#5.7.1) > > Return code: 553. > > The following transport protocol was used > smtp://mail1.stofanet.dk25 " > > As far as I know, I have made no changes to the configuration. > > Can anyone help with this, so I again can send mail in KMail? > /gunner > > -- -- > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT open-source software is good enough for Microsoft
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:22, Tim Holmes wrote: > I think it's been basic knowledge for some time, that the Windows kernel > was an "adapted" BSD kernel. They've never really tried to prove they > did or didn't. No, the Windows kernel is not based on UNIX at all. The Windows NT core was a fork from OS/2 2.x. Microsoft had been developing OS/2 for IBM, and when their partnership ended IBM continued OS/2's development with the Warp series. > Now I guess somebody could reverse engineer Windows, but would be > illegal, and with the help of DMCA, they'd be shot, hung, and all that > good stuff as we've seen demonstrated here lately with the Sklyarov > case. I don't know of any other way to prove that they are 100%. If it could be proven that the reverse-engineers had never seen or used any M$ code, then there is nothing illegal. This is why Samba and WINE aren't illegal. > But also keep in mind, that FreeBSD, itself, doesn't use GPL, it's under > the BSD licensing. And I could be wrong, as I've not done an whole lot > of research on this, but just because you have OpenSource software > incorporated in your software, you don't have to provide ALL the > software to the public, only the OpenSource software needs to be "open." > But again, I may have this all wrong, maybe somebody else could clear > this one up. (To lazy to do any real research on it now. Sorry! lol) The BSD license has few restrictions, the main one being that credit must be given to the authors of the original code. However, the code itself may be modified and used in any way. Derivative works can be closed-source. > As far as sueing them? You can sue anybody for anything, but the > problem here, is that Micro$HAFT has a small chunk of the Devil's arm > in his Legal Department, and most of us have seen the figures of how > much money is put into that department. You may end, but it will cost > you a Bill Gates sized fortune to do so! William Gates II (Bill's father) is a partner in the most powerful law firm in Seattle, so Bill has had legal connections since Microsoft's beginning. No wonder why he often chooses litigation over innovation. > tdh -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition: what's in it?
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:04, Anguo wrote: > Michael D. Viron banged on their keyboard and produced the following > arrangement of letters: > - >Is there such a thing as a "Linux Mandrake 8.1 i586 edition"? > - > - Anguo, > - > - By default, Mandrake's distributions are built for i586--the 'i586 > edition' - would be extraneous. > - > - Michael > > I guess you meant to write: > "By default, Mandrake's distributions are built for i586; > the 'i686 edition' would be extraneous." > > Since Bill helped me to acertain that my Duron CPU is a i686, and since I > am running the "default" Mandrake 8.0 version for i586, (and since 8.1 > would allow me to print chinese, which is not possible with 8.0), I guess I > should be looking forward to upgrade to the Mandrake 8.1 i686 edition. > > But what's the difference? i386 = intel 80386 and compatible. i486 = intel 80486 and compatible. i586 = anything built on intel Pentium technology, including Pentium MMX. i686 = anything built on intel Pentium Pro technology, including Pentium II/III and Celeron. The Pentium 4 is an entirely new chip, and for the moment has no specific compilers. Since x86 chips are backwards-compatible, you can use i686 packages. AMD Athlons and Durons have their own architecture (and even their own compilation options in gcc), but are also compatible with i686. The AMD K6 series is Pentium-class, and so is 1586 compatible. > Does this mean that my current distro doesn't use the full capacity of my > cpu? Would the system run faster/better with the i686 edition? Usually the speed boost isn't large enough to make a real difference. That doesn't stop me from compiling all my packages for i686, though :-) > thanks > > Anguo -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Couple Questions
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:16, David Cox wrote: > i have a 486 and a 233. i want to use one for a firewall only and one for a > server only. Can someone tell me which one i should use for which, and > about how much hard drive space each one will take. also since i dont know > a lot of command line stuff, i will have to use a inteface. (probably kde). > What program should i use for the firewall. I'm going to use Apache as > server for obvious reasons... A firewall does not require much computational power, so make the 486 the firewall. The best thing would be to use Mandrake SNF as your distro, since it is a version of Mandrake 7.2 specificialy modified to be a secure firewall. Another alternative (although not as good) would be to use a recent version of Red Hat (since it is compiled for i386) with Bastille (http://www.bastille-linux.org) for security (it is far more than just a firewall). Also, PLEASE don't post to the list in HTML. All messages should be text only. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Applications for Programming
Hi, Well, the languages I have either learned or are learning are: -- Perl (my fav and a sysadmin's best friend, Also argueable the best language for CGI scripts, and a piece of cake to learn.) -- PHP, (useful for many of the same things as perl, more useful in some areas, less in others..)similiar in use to ASP. -- C++ (pretty obvious this onemost of the large apps are now written in C++, C is traditionally for speed, if you want to write an OS, or hack the kernel, use C, if you want to release Word for linux use C++.) -- JAVA (don't like it that much, not too difficult, but I do most of the stuff that people use JAVA for in perl, and I have perl scripts for NT/2000 and unix/linux and they have only very small difference, so its easier to use perl. but I had to learn it to some degree becaue outside contracters keep giving us Java servlets... -- Javascript and HTML (not in the same class as the rest of these, but useful in and of itself.) -- Visual Basic, (easy and nasty, but occasionally necessary for that "app" that clients must have on winblows...). -- Python, only know the very basics here, but it seems to be a useful, powerful language that doesn't appear to get used as much as it probably should. I want to learn Delphi and Kylex, I was taught pascal many years ago, so learning this should be easy enough for me and handy for writing GUI apps for linux... fast (to write, not run) like visual basic in windows anyway, thats my 10 cents worth... learn Perl, the number of modules available for various tasks now is mind blowing.. (go look at cpan.org for more on that..) I have a HUGE shopping cart script that I am developing in Perl that is absolutly amazing and it has also left the high end JAVA shop we have for dead in speed as well... One last thing, Perl is an open source language, so the amount of info and tutorials on the web is mind blowing.. Also, perl can be better for server scripts then using the shell in some cases, especially where regex is concerned, I believe that Mandrake use perl in a great many of their install and configure scripts,,, its very versatile Also, apps like Webmin use perl as their base language, so you can see what its capable of... rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Isaac Curtis Sent: Monday, 27 August 2001 3:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Applications for Programming Hey All, As I think I said in my other email, I am just finishing Kernighan & Ritchie's "The C Programming Language" 2nd edition and I also lifted a copy of "Learning the Bash Shell" (O'Reilly) tonight that I'm starting to get into. My question/request is that I'm very excited to be learning these new things but I don't really know what to do with myself now. I'd like to have some relatively novice-level code to read and maybe some suggestions for beginners projects to help flex my new muscles. 1. What are some open-source programs that someone of my experience level could look at and try to tinker with that will help me to understand more about programming? 2. Since I'm starting to learn bash as we speak, what are some tasks that would be helpful and a little bit challenging for me to try to figure out how to automate with a script? 3. Last and *certainly* not least, what are some fun things I can do with what I know? Call me a newbie, but I don't yet see the gaming application of C. I used to write neat text-based games in QBasic when I was a little kid and I'd like to learn how to do more complex ones and maybe even graphical ones with my new bag of tricks. Any suggestions on where to turn for a start? Any current games whose code I could look over? 4. Ok, so this is the real last one: Once I start pushing my C a little further I'd like to expand into another language. I know the two most common suggestions will be Java and C++, and I know that everyone will say eventually I need to learn both. Well, which will give me the most immediate satisfaction? Does it make more sense to learn one before the other? Just looking for a few suggestions, I know these debates can get pretty testy. If it makes any difference, I'm really aching for something I can apply to some sort of game programs, even very simple ones. Thanks as always for your time, Respectfully, Isaac "While the popular understanding of anarchism is of a violent, anti-State movement, anarchism is a much more subtle and nuanced tradition then a simple opposition to government power. Anarchists oppose the idea that power and domination are necessary for society, and instead advocate more co-operative, anti-hierarchical forms of social, political and economic organisation." - L. Susan Brown, "The Politics of Individualism", www.infoshop.org/faq Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
