RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0

[Jose M. Sanchez]

Title: Message



I have 
one of these puppies as well.
 
AFAIK 
Logitech stomped on reverse engineering efforts...
 
 
-JMS
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  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
  Behalf Of Mark WheelerSent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:32 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [newbie] 
  HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
  I 
  get 'no cameras detected' with gphoto. I guess what I really need is a 
  working/hack
  driver for the Quickcam Pro (USB). 
  
  

-Original Message-From: Michael Spivak 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 
2001 10:29 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: 
RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
Did you 
check the gphoto ?

  -Original Message-From: Mark Wheeler 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 06, 
  2001 2:07 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
  The camera is a logitech quickcam pro, no smart media. The 
  express
  drivers were useless for me. I get the same results with xawtv and 
  webcam;
  'no device at /dev/video.' I have a Lifeview Robocam working on 
  another
  Mandrake machine, I had to do no extra tweaking to get it to work. I 
  believe
  it uses the OV511? driver.
  
-Original Message- From: Michael 
Spivak Sent: Thu 9/6/2001 7:44 AM To: 
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rob Cc: 
Subject: RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 
8.0
Does your camera have some storage device (like 
SmartMedia) ?-Original Message-From: etharp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
RobSubject: Re: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 
8.0try a web search on google for openh323 and openphone and 
openmcu.On Thursday 06 September 2001 00:58, Rob wrote:> On 
Wednesday 05 September 2001 11:24 am, you wrote:>> there 
is a quickcam express driver in development at 
www.sourceforge.net.> Right now it's in Alpha development (seems 
it been for in development for> over a year)   I've 
manage to get it working for my cam.  just wish there> were 
a netmeeting for linux or something like compatible like to work 
with> a windows conferencing versions.>> > I 
have a Logitech QuickCam Pro (light ring). This device is> > 
Recognized in Mandrake 8.0. My question is, now what? How do> 
> I retrieve images with it. I have been going around in 
circles> > Installing gqcam, xawtv, etc. I get errors with 
xawtv, with> > /dev/video0: no such device.> 
>> > Thanks,> >> > 
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RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?

[Jose M. Sanchez]

To paraphrase... Cool.

Those are memorable but obscure references. I was delighted at your
amazing "retrieval".

-JMS
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|-Original Message-
|From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
|Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:04 AM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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|[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
|
|
|I maintain a collection of interesting quotes. Whenever I come 
|across something I like, I add it to the collection. Some of 
|them make great e-mail signatures :-)
|
|On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 04:13:55 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez" 
|<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> 
|> Where did you look all of this up?
|> 
|> -JMS
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|>  
|> 
|> 
|> |-Original Message-
|> |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sridhar 
|> |Dhanapalan
|> |Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:32 PM
|> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
|> |[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> |Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
|> |
|> |
|> |On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:54, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
|> |> That one is right up there with memorable sayings from CEO's...
|> |>
|> |> Another of my favorites was DEC's CEO saying that no one 
|would ever
|> |> have or tolerate a computer at home.
|> |
|> |"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their
|> |home." -- Ken 
|> |Olson, President, Chairman and Founder of Digital Equipment 
|Corp., 1977
|> |
|> |And, of course, this famous quote:
|> |
|> |"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers" --
|> |Thomas J. 
|> |Watson, Chaiman of IBM, 1943.
|> |
|> |And a few more:
|> |
|> |"I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating
|> |system, and 
|> |possibly program, of all time. As the successor to DOS, 
|which has over 
|> |10,000,000 systems in use, it creates incredible opportunities 
|> |for everyone 
|> |involved with PCs." -- Bill Gates (from the Foreword to the 
|> |OS/2 Programmers' 
|> |Guide)
|> |
|> |"Anyone who says you can have a lot of widely dispersed people
|> |hack away on a 
|> |complicated piece of code and avoid total anarchy has never 
|managed a 
|> |software project." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, 1992, writing to 
|> |Linus Torvalds.
|> |
|> |> Or at SIG-GRAPH, one of the VP's from Evans and Sutherland
|> |saying that
|> |> PC's would never have enough graphics horsepower to do anything in
|> |> real time...
|> |
|> 
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Re: [newbie] new linux drivers for nvidia cards Version: 1.0-1512 (LONG POST)

[Robert MacLean]

Hi

I downloaded and tried the new drivers last night, as well as the very
impressive PDF file that is now available.
My System (for reference I 'm only listing things related to the speed
of graphics):
AMD k6-2 550Mhz
384Megs of Ram
Fujistu 14 Gig HDD
GA-5AA (Gigabyte ALI) Mobo
Geforce 2 MX

I'm using the out the box Mandrake 8 kernel.
Install of the drivers was fine.
I used Quake 3 Arena, Unreal Tournament, Reflect, Gears, Morph and
glTron before and after the upgrade as tests and they all worked fine.
I used Gears to do a small before and after bench mark as well.
Before (12.41 Version Drivers) (FPS are taken in 5 second groups for
the first 15 seconds)
642.5 FPS
779.4 FPS
857.0 FPS.
Which gives you an average of 759.6 FPS over the 15 seconds.
After (15.12)
709.8 FPS
889.2 FPS
878.8 FPS
Which gives you an average of 825.93 FPS over the 15 seconds.

That means there is a 66.33 FPS increase between the different
versions.

There are also 2 new features that I found that I really liked.
First there is now support for a hardware cursor shadow, I tried to
get a screen shot of  but northing takes screen shots of cursors,
which looks really good. It takes time to get use to it.
The other feature is now the ability to get your refresh rates
straight from your monitors EDID, instead of the XFConfig-4 file.Which
means you should not have refresh rate problems anymore, or problems
with going into a resolution that your monitor doesn't support.

On the whole it is worth the upgrade ;)


Robert MacLean

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Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:39 AM
Subject: [newbie] new linux drivers for nvidia cards Version: 1.0-1512


> the new linux drivers Version: 1.0-1512 for nvidia cards are out now
> at http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=linux ..
>
> im getting my geforce2mx next week so anyone already running these
drivers? any feedback?
>
> thanks
> mikecola
>
>
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Re: [newbie] SmartMedia adapters

[Len Lawrence]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Paul wrote:

> It was Tue, 31 Jul 2001 05:03:21 + (GMT) when Len Lawrence wrote:
> 
> >FlashPath devices can handle SmartMedia cards up to 128 Mb.  Extensive tests
> >conducted by Linuxcare show that the device operates very effectively on
> >/dev/fd0 although the transfer rates are very low, apparently.
> >
> >Will report back if I can get one, and get it working.
> 
> Very interesting! I am about to buy a digital camera (Olympus) from a friend,
> which has a floppy adapter thing also. Perhaps that would work too then :)
> 
> Paul
 
Managed to get the SmartDisk FlashPath adapter for SmartMedia.  Neat.
However, there was a bit of a problem getting the Linux driver from
the www.smartdisk.com site.  The driver page was inaccessible, and a
message to the Webmaster revealed that the driver is no longer
supported, so the link to the download page was an oversight.  Also
included in the kind response were three attachments; the driver
itself, and PDF and HTML documentation.  SmartDisk can no longer
spare the effort to keep the driver up to date - it is only expected
to work on 2.2 systems.  They specifically state that it will not run
under kernel versions 2.1 or 2.3.  It works for me, albeit rather
slowly (20 seconds for the transfer of an 800K image file).  If it
works under 2.4 kernels maybe somebody could post a note about it?
-- 
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Re: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already

[skinky]

On Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:02:50 -0600
Warren Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Tom, other than gaming what uses do you see for Windows? I've been
> looking
> forward to scrubbing it from my hd's, but your comment gives me pause.
> 
> Warren Post
> The Cybercafé at Pizza Pizza
> Santa Rosa de Copán, Honduras
> http://sites.netscape.net/srcopan/

Jeez, I wanna get rid of Windows too.  However, our business accounts are
in Windows and although I'm planning on using GnuCash, I don't want to
re-key in all transactions for the current financial year so have to wait
until April next year!  Other than that, I have no need for Windows
whatsoever.  I don't even play games on my pc.  What makes it worse is
that I have to boot Windows _every_ day to access our accounts.  And while
in there, if I urgently need to send an email or look something up in the
net, I have to boot back into linux because I refuse to connect to the net
with Windows - I most certainly agree with Tom on that one!

A while back, I got Wine to work with our Windows accounting software but
after reinstalling linux I can't seem to get Wine to work anymore :-(

I'm _really_ looking forward to getting rid of Windows and if I _really_
need to use it (would have to be an emergency), I have the entire
partition on CDRs (image file) which only takes minutes to copy back onto
a hard drive.  After all, why take up hd space with something you're not
going to use?

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Re: [newbie] ISDN still not working :-(

[Paul]

In reply to David's words, written Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:49:34 +0100

>Having had no luck with getting the BT speedway ISDN PCI card to work on 
>linux mahdrake 8.0 i decided to try 8.1  beta2 . However the exact same 
>problem  is still there ... the card is just not seen by harddrake at all and
>even with a manual config with the "correct" driver it still wont configure
>I did see something about only B1 cards with AVM will work tho i dont know 
>what a B1 card is apposed to B anything else.

Did you ever check www.wurtel.demon.nl? That's a good ISDN help.
Paul

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Re: [newbie] CD Burner - changed ISA channel

[s]

If it were me, I'd turn on kudzu (new hardware detection in Mandrake Control 
Center > Services)  and reboot first.

-s

On Thursday 06 September 2001 06:51 pm,  Robjohns, Ashley - COMPAQ wrote:
> Hmm, apologies - that's what happens when you haven't slept for 72 hours!
> Yes I did mean IDE!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Miark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 7 September 2001 2:50
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] CD Burner - changed ISA channel
>
>
> You have a burner on an ISA channel? Don't you mean an IDE channel?
>
> Miark




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Re: [newbie] Accessing DOS partitions from Linux Mandrake

[s]

On Thursday 06 September 2001 10:55 pm,  Randy wrote:
> Howdy gang!  Quite an evening.  Got Linux installed, X-windows working,
> and even connected to the Internet.
>
> So, I need to access some large data files on the DOS side of this
> beastie.  It's like 5 Mb, so a floppy is out.  I'd rather not upload to
> the FTP server at work and then download, as my connection is only 28.8
> out here in the woods.
>
> I remember in another life using a doscp commmand (SCO Unix, I think,
> circa 1990.)  Can't find anything similar in this Linux package, nor on
> the Mandrake site.
>
> Any suggestions?

Congradulations.
You should be able to see it from mandrake, cd = change directories, 
/mnt/win_c/=first windows partition on mine (cd /mnt && ls   to find yours), 
cp = copy, -r = recursive (descend into directory),  -f = force (don't 
confirm).  So an example:
cp -rf /mnt/win_c/Archives/mp3 /home/s/  (that would copy my mp3 folder 
from the Archives on windows C:\ to my linux home directory)  or
cd /mnt/win_c/Archives/mp3(to change to that directory) and 
ls  (list what's in that directory for browsing)   or
ls -hal   (list all, even hidden, and attributes in human friendly terms)

>
> Thanks in advance

hth.

> Bear

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[newbie] Accessing DOS partitions from Linux Mandrake

[Randy]

Howdy gang!  Quite an evening.  Got Linux installed, X-windows working,
and even connected to the Internet.

So, I need to access some large data files on the DOS side of this
beastie.  It's like 5 Mb, so a floppy is out.  I'd rather not upload to
the FTP server at work and then download, as my connection is only 28.8
out here in the woods.

I remember in another life using a doscp commmand (SCO Unix, I think,
circa 1990.)  Can't find anything similar in this Linux package, nor on
the Mandrake site.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance

Bear



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[newbie] Linux Mandrake in Sun 420R (Sparc)

[Anggie]

Hi guys,
Any body have experience install Linux Mandrake in 
Sun 420R (Sparc) ?
Please giff me your guidline.
 
Thanks a lot
 
Regards,ANGGIE
 
 

Re: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already

[Tim Holmes]

I've been a 100% Linux user now for a year and half.  I was an "advanced
newbie" when I converted from a dual boot machine to a full time
Mandrake box.  I'd done UNIX administration even before that.

But after all that time, I've still found a use for Micro$HAFT products!

MSN sent me a disc about 8 months ago I think.  The one with the kewl
stylized butter fly on it.  It's the coaster I use on my end tables! lol
When I watch a movie, that's where I place my beverage!  Looks pretty
sweet actually.

Other then that, I have no use for Micro$HAFT in my life.  Meanwhile my
girlfriend still uses Windows98, I'm working on getting her switched
over to Linux as well.  I've already switched my 19 year old sister
over.  She's been on a Linux box for 8 months now!
tdh

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Uptime: 
  
 11:30pm  up 2 days,  8:54,  6 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
  
| On Thursday 06 September 2001 05:19 pm, Charles A. Punch escribió:
| >
| > I agree to some extent, but this is a newbie list. *Some* of the
| > newer newbies are still up to thier neck in Windows, and the Windows
| > mindset. I'm not knocking anyone. That Windows mindset, is something
| > that I have been shaking off for a few years. The more of I get off,
| > the better my computer serves me.
| 
|I'm the first one to recommend to newbie's (or oldies's) that they 
| keep Windoze around, just don't EVER connect to the Net with it (ASAP).
| 
|'Specially if that's with Win2k, any other NT, or the soon to be XP 
| (assuming anybody's dumb a'nough to buy it).  This deal with raw 
| sockets is nothin new. Most of the problems (slow) currently being 
| experienced by all Net users (including Penguins), are cause by 
| ignorant Billy OS users flooding the net with Billy's B$ OS's crap.
| 
|Many Win2k-NT users don't even know they've got servers running, or 
| that M$ email programs, or other 3rd party email apps that run on M$ 
| OS's are killin the NET with all their inherent virus, worm and trojan
| propensities and capabilities.  
| 
|Windoze is still good for playin games on tho, don't microwave 
| Billy's CD's just yet ;>
| -- 
|   Tom Brinkman   Galveston Bay
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Re: [newbie] New install M8.0 - modules don't work. What did I do wrong?

[Mark]

I just installed my Mandrake 8 disk, and I get messages in 
/var/log/messages that say modules cannot be loaded, kernel isn't module 
enabled, etc.  I can't even post my messages file because I can't get 
online without ppp.  It was working fine before, I reinstalled because I 
downloaded the second disk to get the extra apps.  Any ideas?  I didn't 
select any kernel options during install.  This has me stumped!






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Re: [newbie] Choosing flavors and Window Managers

[jennifer]

Randy...I just read the first few sentences of that article and knew i had to 
respond. I work for a good size company (5000 or so users) and will tell you 
that not all of them are secretaries who use word, excel spreadsheets and the 
like. I also think it is condescending to subrscribe to that articles implied 
knowledge that "secretaries are dumb, so secretaries would not know the 
difference" I am an experienced windows user/professional desktop supporter 
and I have trouble with the basic functionality of linux. I can only imagine 
what it would be like to be desktop support for such an O/S. I wouldn't know 
where to begin let alone be a new user to all the programs that linux offers. 
I am here to learn the O/S, not how to create a spreadsheet in Koffice. Do 
you know how to do that with absolute proficientcy? Why expect your users to 
do so when they are the ones making million dollar investments so your 
comapany makes money and can pay you your salary?

In mine line of work, the end user is the my money maker. Keep them in 
business and I get paid. Enable them to do what they do best is my job. Thier 
downtime hurts business. I work for them, no the other way around.

That is not to say that linux is not right to rollout comapny-wide. It takes 
time, patience and knowledge. Could you imagine rendering a company useless 
to perfor high dollar trades on wall street becuase they couldn't recreate 
their all important calculates with Koffice?

In my book the customers are all important. i work for no moron, no idiot, an 
no I D 10 T. I support a business and the people who run that business no 
mater what their "staus"



Now mind you, I want to learn this O/S as well as I know windows. Challanges 
intrigue me. But, as a newbie, I must concede with Mark that 


On Thursday 06 September 2001 16:57, Randy Donohoe wrote:
> > The sysadmin's words haunt me as I think about how to deploy a linux
> > desktop environment for say a typical business dept.  Does a linux
> > desktop meet the usability requirements of a typcial user (as opposed
> > to typical linux sysadmin/programmer).
>
> This should answer most of your questions.
> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/08/10/1441239
>
> Randy Donohoe


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Re: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already

[Dr. Evil]

> Tom, other than gaming what uses do you see for Windows? I've been
> looking forward to scrubbing it from my hd's, but your comment gives
> me pause.

As far as I know, for most users, there is no use aside from gaming,
and even for gaming, there are native Linux games, and apparently
quite a few Windows games run under Wine.  The other exception is that
there are quite a few applications that can ONLY run on Windows for
some specific purposes.  Perhaps you need Autocad, or some other
specific app which is Windows only.

But if you're just an ordinary user who surfs the web, does word
processing, this kind of thing, you don't need Windows at all.



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Re: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already

[Warren Post]

Tom, other than gaming what uses do you see for Windows? I've been
looking
forward to scrubbing it from my hd's, but your comment gives me pause.

Warren Post
The Cybercafé at Pizza Pizza
Santa Rosa de Copán, Honduras
http://sites.netscape.net/srcopan/


Tom Brinkman wrote:

>I'm the first one to recommend to newbie's (or oldies's) that they
> keep Windoze around, just don't EVER connect to the Net with it (ASAP).



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Re: [newbie] Firewall/networking tutorial?

[Ben Bayer]

Thanks!  That looks pretty neat!


On Tuesday 04 September 2001 08:14 am, you wrote:
>   Date:  09/04/2001  07:14 am  (Tuesday)
>   From:  Leonard Miller
> To:  "Ben Bayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at
>  INTERNET".MN-CCGate.DM-MN-05
>Subject:  Re: [newbie] Firewall/networking tutorial?
>
> IF all it is going to do is act as a firewall, you could try Fireplug.
> http://edge.fireplug.net
>
> >>> Ben Bayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at INTERNET 09/03/01 01:46PM >>>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I want to set up an old computer I installed mandrake 8 on as a firewall
> for  my main PC.  Does anyone know of a howto, forum discussion, book, or
> article  that might help me get started networking and firewalling?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben



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Re: [newbie] first time scripter has problems

[bascule]

yes this helps! i take your point about using * like that, the backquote 
thing seems quite useful, i have been doing some surfing just prior to 
reading your mail as and as i read things the backquotes mean that you can 
execute a command and have the result take that place in the script,
i totally failed to find this in a book i bought to help me learn basic 
scripting, if anyone else reads this DO NOT purchase 'Linux Programming For 
Dummies' it seems to be too basic and the examples are full of typos, at 
least i think they are - being a newbie i could just have misunderstood thme 
but i'm fairly certain there are misprints,

bascule

On Friday 07 September 2001 2:17 am, you wrote:

>
> Sorry, not familiar with unzip syntax.  However, a
> couple of comments on your script that might help.
> Firstly, never safe to just do * like that, as there
> may be other files there that you DON'T want
> processed.  Far better to use backquotes and the ls
> command, viz:
> for file in `ls *.zip`
>
> Secondly, if the -d option isn't working, how about
> doing this:  for each file, create a unique
> subdirectory, move the zip file there, go there and
> run the unzip there.  Script might look like:
> for file in `ls *.zip`
> do
>   set base=basename_$file
>   mkdir $base
>   mv $file $base
>   cd $base
>   unzip $file (or whatever the syntax is)
>   cd ..
> done
>
> Not elegant, but simple (I'd test it first on a couple
> of files copied somewhere safe to play).  Elegance is
> over-rated if it means impossible to understand
> oneliners that try to do everything!
>
> Hope this helps,
> Ron.
>
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Re: [newbie] Using Visioneer USB scanner?

[Peter Rymshaw]

Just checked SANE site. I would need 1.0.5 to do the
Umax (umax pp) backend, but when I went to the SANE
download page, it gave me a choice of frontend or
backend. Do I need to install both to upgrade my
desktop (non-server)?

--- Peter Rymshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a Visioneer 6200 scanner and not only that
> model, but no Visioneer scanners seem to be
> supported
> by Linux (or SANE). Is there any "generic" software
> that might work? Would something besides SANE be
> difficut anyway?
> 
> I also have a Umax Astra 1220P , which is supported
> by
> SANE 1.05 (I have 1.04, need to check that). But I
> replace this parellel port scanner because it was so
> slow and don't really want to go back to it (and
> besides, I reinstalled it and am having problems
> with
> SANE/Linux with this too. If I've got to struggle,
> I'd
> much rather expend my energy toward getting the USB
> Visioneer working.)
> 
> Any clues?
> 
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Re: [newbie] WordPerfect8 & Mandrake 8

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Thu, 06 Sep 2001 13:07:27 -0700, mcoady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since installing Mandrake8 I cannot get WP8 for Linux to install.
> Is it probable that the newer Mandrake version has dropped certain files 
> necessary for WP8?
> 
> Michael 

Look for a package called "libc". This is needed to run some old apps like WP8.

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Re: [newbie] paste in console?

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

The main aim of the LSB is compatibility across _distros_, not across multiple
platforms within a distro (BASH, X, GNOME, KDE, etc.). What you propose would be
covered by other bodies such as freedesktop.org.

BTW, directory structures are covered in the FHS (Filesystem Heirarchy
Standard), which has been adopted as part of the LSB.


On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:23:06 -0500 , Mark Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> does the LSB address issues like this or is do they only concern themselves
> with directory structures?
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:10 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [newbie] paste in console?
> > 
> > 
> > on 9/6/01 11:17 AM, Tom Brinkman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thursday 06 September 2001 10:43 am, Matt Greer escribió:
> > >> on 9/6/01 10:27 AM, Jon Doe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>> I can't beleive I have never needed this up untill now, 
> > but what is
> > >>> the keyborad equivilent of paste? In windon't it was Ctrl + v
> > > 
> > > and it is in Linux also. Ctrl+c to copy, Ctrl+x to cut, and Ctrl+v
> > > to paste
> > 
> > Unfortunately only some of the time. Other times you need to 
> > use the middle
> > mouse button which is a bit unintuitive (and has no 
> > equivalent key command).
> > Still worse is cutting and pasting is dependent on the app, 
> > and cutting and
> > pasting between apps sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.
> > 
> > I'm very interested in resolving this and setting up 
> > universal cutting and
> > pasting across all apps in my linux environment, I just 
> > haven't found the
> > time to look into it. As it stands it makes working in Linux rather
> > inefficient.
> > 
> > Matt

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[newbie] Using Visioneer USB scanner?

[Peter Rymshaw]

I have a Visioneer 6200 scanner and not only that
model, but no Visioneer scanners seem to be supported
by Linux (or SANE). Is there any "generic" software
that might work? Would something besides SANE be
difficut anyway?

I also have a Umax Astra 1220P , which is supported by
SANE 1.05 (I have 1.04, need to check that). But I
replace this parellel port scanner because it was so
slow and don't really want to go back to it (and
besides, I reinstalled it and am having problems with
SANE/Linux with this too. If I've got to struggle, I'd
much rather expend my energy toward getting the USB
Visioneer working.)

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Re: [newbie] first time scripter has problems

[Ron Bouwhuis]

--- bascule <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i have a stack of roms for xmame that are in zip
> format and xmame won't 
> recognise them (though i thought it would) i want to
> unzip each to a 
> directory of the same name minus the .zip extension,
> however the default for 
> unzip is to extract into the current directory, i
> can't get the -d option to 
> work with a variable, how do i do this, the
> following is what i have come up 
> with so far:
> [root@mycroft xroms]# for file in *;do set
> base=basename $file .zip; unzip 
> $base -d $base;done
> 
> i get errors about using the -d option for unzip!
> 
> of course, any elegant solutions for this are
> welcome!
> 
> bascule
> 

Sorry, not familiar with unzip syntax.  However, a
couple of comments on your script that might help. 
Firstly, never safe to just do * like that, as there
may be other files there that you DON'T want
processed.  Far better to use backquotes and the ls
command, viz: 
for file in `ls *.zip`

Secondly, if the -d option isn't working, how about
doing this:  for each file, create a unique
subdirectory, move the zip file there, go there and
run the unzip there.  Script might look like:
for file in `ls *.zip`
do
  set base=basename_$file
  mkdir $base
  mv $file $base
  cd $base
  unzip $file (or whatever the syntax is)
  cd ..
done

Not elegant, but simple (I'd test it first on a couple
of files copied somewhere safe to play).  Elegance is
over-rated if it means impossible to understand
oneliners that try to do everything!

Hope this helps,
Ron.

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[newbie] Gator for Linux?

[Peter Rymshaw]

Is there a program like Gator that works on Linux? I'm
refering to the free Windows program available at
gator.com that automatically or manually completes
forms with name, address, etc. as well as filling in
ID and password.

The latter is part of Netscape 6.1, but I miss the
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Re: [newbie] hostname: bash-2.05

[Jay DeKing]

Well, when I loaded bash-2.05, I didn't have any hostname issues as such, but 
it did rename /etc/bashrc to /etc/bashrc.rpmnew - which caused a bit of 
confusion as my custom prompt was located there. All I had to do was change 
the name of the file back and all was well.

Hope this helps.
Jay

On Friday 07 September 2001 12:38, I was honored with this communique:
> On Thursday 06 September 2001 13:38, you wrote:
> > Does the user that you were loged in have permissons on his assigned home
> > directory?
> > The same happened to my a couple of days before, and I see in LunxConf
> > that the home directory of the user I was logging in was created by the
> > root and the user ddidn't have permissons . . .
> >
> > Maybe it's just a coincidence
>
> the user does have permissions to his home directerory, and furthermore the
> same thing occurs when logged in as root. when changing directory, that
> bash-2.05$
> doesn't change to bash -2.05/directory$ or anything, i am baffled
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of antoine rivoire
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:31 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [newbie] hostname: bash-2.05
> >
> >
> > hi
> > i think i might have seen somebody emailing about that prob before, but i
> > cant find it in the archive:
> > in term windows, my hostname has been replaced by
> > bash-2.05$
> > anybody?
>
> 
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Re: [newbie] Switching to KDE 22 usual look and feel

[Joseph Braddock]

You need to run the Login Manager (in KDE it's under the control center, I'm 
not sure where it is in Gnome).  Select the Sessions tab and at the lower 
part of the window, type KDE for the new type and click the Add new button.  
KDE must be in all caps.  Save the settings and log out and see if selecting 
KDE now works.  Assuming it does, go back to the Login Manager and remove the 
entry for KDE 22.
 
Joe

 On Thursday 06 September 2001 22:33, you wrote:
 > Hello,
 >
 > I finally installed KDE 22 on my LM8 box.
 > Unfortunately
 > I got a problem. Each time I am starting the system
 > the login manager is displaying a list with only two
 > windows managers:
 >
 > One is 'Default' which in my system is Ximian Gnome
 > and another one is KDE 22. The point is when I log on
 > using KDE 22 the windows manager is ICE.
 >
 > I don't like this windows manager at all. It looks
 > very primitive and I would like to use KDE 22's normal
 > (usual) configuration of the desktop. Clean KDE 22.
 >
 > Can someone give me a hint which file should I modify
 > in order to disable this windows manager and enable
 > the  standard KDE 22 look and feel ?
 >
 > Thanks a lot,
 > Alex




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RE: [newbie] SiS 630 on Notebooks

[Navin Daryanani]

exactly. Somehow after many many tries I got these steps (IN THAT ORDER) and
finally got it to work. I do not mind booting into the console first. Rather
I prefer that.

BUT the problem with me still remains that once I get into X there is no way
I can get back into the text only mode. I mean, if I do get out I can
restart X by grovelling in the dark. It is not too much of a problem, and it
certainly does not deter me away from linux, but it would certainly be nice
to get it working in the proper way.

oh! one more thing. I tried watching a dvd movie with xmovie (I think) and
the window which came up showed the movie in SPLIT up DIAGONAL everything
was slanted. But if I took it to full screen I could see it working
properly. Again, not a very big problem but it would be nice to have it
working in the proper way. MAYBE if I go about starting from scratch, like
compiling a kernel, would help. But till this moment I have not tried it so
it is kind of an awe. :-)

If u can please redirect us to some indepth secrets of how to tweak it (like
the steps u have laid down below) it would be  certainly helpful.

thanks
Navin






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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of civileme
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2001 4:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] SiS 630 on Notebooks


8.0 Video will work

First install and let the recommended configuration be made for the SiS.

Next, go to console and login as root (select NOT to have X start at boot)

from a console use your favorite editor to edit

/etc/lilo.conf

add the line or change the vga line for the linux boot to

vga=791

remove the lines for linux-nonfb booting

save & quit

when the root prompt comes back up

# lilo

#
then reboot

Once you are in console, startx will get you to X and you can use Mandrake
Control Center to modify how you boot.  Some folks are happy to boot to
console all the time and then modify various fikles to choose the
WindowManager they use, and several seem to like the Xtart rpm in cooker.

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Re: [newbie] kmail problem

[Dave Kufta]

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On Tuesday 04 September 2001 08:37 pm, you wrote:
> Joan Tur wrote:
>
> Thank you for the responses I've received so far. However, I still can't
> seem to send mail reliably using kmail.
>
> A few more specifics, since I probably didn't explain the problem well
> to begin with:
>
> my incoming mail is through  mail1.myoldisp.com
>
> outgoing is through: smtp.mynewisp.net
>
> The problem is that outgoing mail requires a completely different user
> name and password than my incoming mail. Every time I try to send mail I
> get the message:
>
> 505 client not authenticated
>
> I'm able to receive mail with no problem.
>
> As someone suggested, I've tried to set up PostFix to send mail, and it
> works for some domains, but not all.
>
> I'm pretty much a complete beginner, so any help is appreciated!
>
> --Gina

Gina,
 You might try to pop your ISP that your sending through first then try 
sending the mail, some ISP's will require that the user pop thier account 
before allowing sending (relaying) of mail.

Dave

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RE: [newbie] CD Burner - changed ISA channel

[Robjohns, Ashley - COMPAQ]

Hmm, apologies - that's what happens when you haven't slept for 72 hours!
Yes I did mean IDE!

-Original Message-
From: Miark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2001 2:50
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] CD Burner - changed ISA channel


You have a burner on an ISA channel? Don't you mean an IDE channel?

Miark


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From: Robjohns, Ashley - COMPAQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:57 AM
Subject: [newbie] CD Burner - changed ISA channel


> In order to use 'on the fly' burning, I had to move my CD Burner to 
> another ISA channel as it was a slave to my DVD drive, and thus data 
> transfers would be unreliable.  Just wondering what the best way to 
> re-configure the ide-scsi emulation, mountings, etc would be.  Is 
> there a utility to help configure this the Mandrake way, or does this 
> have to be done manually?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ash
> 






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Re: [newbie] hostname: bash-2.05

[antoine rivoire]

On Thursday 06 September 2001 13:38, you wrote:
> Does the user that you were loged in have permissons on his assigned home
> directory?
> The same happened to my a couple of days before, and I see in LunxConf that
> the home directory of the user I was logging in was created by the root and
> the user ddidn't have permissons . . .
>
> Maybe it's just a coincidence
the user does have permissions to his home directerory, and furthermore the 
same thing occurs when logged in as root. when changing directory, that 
bash-2.05$ 
doesn't change to bash -2.05/directory$ or anything, i am baffled
>

>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of antoine rivoire
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:31 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [newbie] hostname: bash-2.05
>
>
> hi
> i think i might have seen somebody emailing about that prob before, but i
> cant find it in the archive:
> in term windows, my hostname has been replaced by
> bash-2.05$
> anybody?


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[newbie] first time scripter has problems

[bascule]

i have a stack of roms for xmame that are in zip format and xmame won't 
recognise them (though i thought it would) i want to unzip each to a 
directory of the same name minus the .zip extension, however the default for 
unzip is to extract into the current directory, i can't get the -d option to 
work with a variable, how do i do this, the following is what i have come up 
with so far:
[root@mycroft xroms]# for file in *;do set base=basename $file .zip; unzip 
$base -d $base;done

i get errors about using the -d option for unzip!

of course, any elegant solutions for this are welcome!

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Re: [newbie] can't set up SB Live! 5.1

[Valerie Cheng]

I changed the PCI slot of my sound card and it's working now.

>> Ok.. I checked w/ /sbin/lsmod... no OSS/free driver loaded...
>> PNP is off (turned it off long time ago when I was tyring freebsd).
>> and... my modules.conf:
>>
>>  alias net-pf-4 ipx
>>  pre-install pcmcia_core CARDMGR_OPTS=-f /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia
>> start alias usb-interface usb-uhci
>>  alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi
>>  alias eth0 8139too
>>
>>  alias sound emu10k1
>>  options emu10k1 joystick=0x200
>
>Well, those two lines above are clearly about the SB live OSS/free driver.
>Did sound work after installing Mandrake, or did you use sndconfig ?
>It looks like the card was recognized but both the OSS/free and the
>ALSA driver refuse to load. I remember reading on this list that the
>PCI slot next to the AGP slot can give problems. If that's not the case
>maybe there is an IRQ conflict (although PCI cards should be able to
>share IRQ's). lspci -v should list the IRQ your card is using,
>cat /proc/interrupts lists the IRQ's in use by drivers.
>
>HTH,
>
>-Frans


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[newbie] question

[David Cox]

can someone tell me what all i need to be able to 
do this.
 
i want to get the newest kernel, compile it for 
just what i need,(server, ssh, firewall, ect...) and put it on a fresh disk. I 
know i need some sort of .img file i think, and i'm sure i'll have to compile 
from an existing linux distro. 
i will be puting it on a 233mhz computer. any help 
as far as what involved and whats needed as well as any advice will be truly 
appreciated.
 
Thanks, Dave

RE: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already

[Franki]

believe me, I am the last person to defend microsoft,, I really don't like
them much at all..

HOWEVER,  keeping your servers up to date and patched is imperative,
regardless of wether you are
using NT/2000 linux/unix or pretty much anything else...

The problem is that M$ convinced people somehow that their server os is a
plug and play system,
 they set it up, turn it on and forget it..

That is far from the truth,, we have several linux servers (my doing) and
several NT/2000 servers
(the other tech guy) and the whole lot of them are as patched as we can make
them.

I think our network is pretty good, not the best but certainly not the
worst..

and we work hard to make sure that all the patches micro$haft see fit to
"endow" us with because of
their apparent decision to do their bug testing after realeasing their
software, are loaded..

We missed Code Red I and II and a good many others, (according to the logs.)

also, the Windows box's sit behind linux boxes using port forwarding to get
connected.

We will NEVER buy XP, and any system that comes to use with XP preloaded
will be wiped and have linux loaded.


works great :-)

rgds

Frank





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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Brinkman
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2001 5:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already


On Thursday 06 September 2001 05:19 pm, Charles A. Punch escribió:
>
> I agree to some extent, but this is a newbie list. *Some* of the
> newer newbies are still up to thier neck in Windows, and the Windows
> mindset. I'm not knocking anyone. That Windows mindset, is something
> that I have been shaking off for a few years. The more of I get off,
> the better my computer serves me.

   I'm the first one to recommend to newbie's (or oldies's) that they
keep Windoze around, just don't EVER connect to the Net with it (ASAP).

   'Specially if that's with Win2k, any other NT, or the soon to be XP
(assuming anybody's dumb a'nough to buy it).  This deal with raw
sockets is nothin new. Most of the problems (slow) currently being
experienced by all Net users (including Penguins), are cause by
ignorant Billy OS users flooding the net with Billy's B$ OS's crap.

   Many Win2k-NT users don't even know they've got servers running, or
that M$ email programs, or other 3rd party email apps that run on M$
OS's are killin the NET with all their inherent virus, worm and trojan
propensities and capabilities.

   Windoze is still good for playin games on tho, don't microwave
Billy's CD's just yet ;>
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Re: [newbie] Choosing flavors and Window Managers

[Tom Brinkman]

On Thursday 06 September 2001 01:01 pm, Mark Johnson escribió:
> I'm not sure I truly understand the advantages of all these different
> flavors of linux.  I understand that Debian is the super secure, and
> Mandrake is the super friendly, and Redhat is enterprise oriented.

   Any Linux distro is only as secure as the USER makes and maintains 
it. Deb's claim to fame isn't security, it's being a step or two down 
from the latest to provide stability (or so they claim). Mandrake is 
the cutting edge of security as far as most leading distros go. YMMV

> But what I find is that flavors mean non-standard directories and
> other nuances.

  Read up:  http://www.linuxbase.org/I think you'll find Mandrake 
as a partner in this endeavor

>  The only "linux" part of a flavor is the kernel. This
> is actually pretty annoying because one can never truely say "I know
> linux" in a deep sense; all one really knows is one's particular
> flavor of linux. 

   Not so.

 My impression is that if you switched flavors on
> somebody they would be nearly as lost as they would be if you
> switched their PC for a MAC even though it's still "linux".  Is this
> flavor thing good for linux in a long term sense?

  I don't know how you came to this conclusion.  My take is you can 
switch Linux distros with little notice. Ask a IT manager about 
switching Windoze versions.
>
> This goes for window managers too: if the Window Manager is the
> gateway to the system switching WMs on somebody is pretty close to
> switching the OS on them.

   For the average USER, I'd agree
>
> One of the main reasons that I bring this up is if you were to choose
> to deploy linux desktops for your company, you should probably think
> long an hard about the flavor and the WM that you are going to
> standardize on because if you let people run different WMs willy
> nilly (much less flavors) it would be a adminstrative nightmare.

   You state the obvious, any OS
>
> You can't really count (never will be able to count) on any baseline
> functionality of access points amongs WMs can you...?

   See LSB link above

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Re: [newbie] Oracle

[civileme]

On Thursday 06 September 2001 13:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I am wandering what is different the Oracle running on Solaris and
> Linux?
>
> Thank you
>
> Regards


As far as functionality and command structure, basically none.

The binaries and the library calls are different.  Oracle is bdependent on 
some by now ancient linux libraries which have to be added to most distros to 
get it  to run.

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[newbie] Adding menu items to Enlightenment

[Terry]

Does anyone know how to add menu items to Enlightenment?  I have recently 
installed StarOffice, and would like to add a menu item to be able to run it, 
rather than having to open a terminal window everytime I wish to run it.

Thanks in advance!
-- 
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University of Virginia
School of Architecture
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Re: [newbie] paste in console?

[Randy Kramer]

Matt Greer wrote:
> Are you refering to true console mode where X isn't running at all? I can't
> get the mouse to work in the console. I could with RedHat. Is this supported
> in Mandrake?

Matt,

Sorry, I meant "konsole", the X term in KDE.  I understand the mouse can
be run in true console mode, I've never done it, I think it has
something to do with Midnight Commander.

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RE: [newbie] paste in console?

[Mark Johnson]

does the LSB address issues like this or is do they only concern themselves
with directory structures?

> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:10 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] paste in console?
> 
> 
> on 9/6/01 11:17 AM, Tom Brinkman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday 06 September 2001 10:43 am, Matt Greer escribió:
> >> on 9/6/01 10:27 AM, Jon Doe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> I can't beleive I have never needed this up untill now, 
> but what is
> >>> the keyborad equivilent of paste? In windon't it was Ctrl + v
> > 
> > and it is in Linux also. Ctrl+c to copy, Ctrl+x to cut, and Ctrl+v
> > to paste
> 
> Unfortunately only some of the time. Other times you need to 
> use the middle
> mouse button which is a bit unintuitive (and has no 
> equivalent key command).
> Still worse is cutting and pasting is dependent on the app, 
> and cutting and
> pasting between apps sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.
> 
> I'm very interested in resolving this and setting up 
> universal cutting and
> pasting across all apps in my linux environment, I just 
> haven't found the
> time to look into it. As it stands it makes working in Linux rather
> inefficient.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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[newbie] Choosing flavors and Window Managers

[Mark Johnson]

I'm not sure I truly understand the advantages of all these different
flavors of linux.  I understand that Debian is the super secure, and
Mandrake is the super friendly, and Redhat is enterprise oriented. But what
I find is that flavors mean non-standard directories and other nuances.  The
only "linux" part of a flavor is the kernel. This is actually pretty
annoying because one can never truely say "I know linux" in a deep sense;
all one really knows is one's particular flavor of linux.  My impression is
that if you switched flavors on somebody they would be nearly as lost as
they would be if you switched their PC for a MAC even though it's still
"linux".  Is this flavor thing good for linux in a long term sense?  

This goes for window managers too: if the Window Manager is the gateway to
the system switching WMs on somebody is pretty close to switching the OS on
them.

One of the main reasons that I bring this up is if you were to choose to
deploy linux desktops for your company, you should probably think long an
hard about the flavor and the WM that you are going to standardize on
because if you let people run different WMs willy nilly (much less flavors)
it would be a adminstrative nightmare.

You can't really count (never will be able to count) on any baseline
functionality of access points amongs WMs can you...?

Has anyone deployed linux desktop company-wide before?  Do you have any
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[newbie] Oracle

[angelayu]

Hi all

I am wandering what is different the Oracle running on Solaris and
Linux?

Thank you

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RE: [newbie] WordPerfect8 & Mandrake 8

[Charles A Edwards]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of s
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:16 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] WordPerfect8 & Mandrake 8
> 
> 
> On Thursday 06 September 2001 03:07 pm,  mcoady wrote:
> > Since installing Mandrake8 I cannot get WP8 for Linux to install.
> > Is it probable that the newer Mandrake version has dropped 
> certain files
> > necessary for WP8?
> >
> > Michael
> 
> Does installing the libc5 rpm not help this time?  I believe 
> I have had wp8 
> on 8.0 but I had to install libc5-1.0-2.i386.rpm first.
> -s
> 
> 

You also need ld.so-1.9.11-4mdk.i586.
After installing both you should be able to install and run WP8.

My problem is that I can not get it to work with the 8.1 Beta.

   Charles 

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RE: [newbie] hostname: bash-2.05

[Lionel Pitaru]

Does the user that you were loged in have permissons on his assigned home
directory?
The same happened to my a couple of days before, and I see in LunxConf that
the home directory of the user I was logging in was created by the root and
the user ddidn't have permissons . . .

Maybe it's just a coincidence


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Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] hostname: bash-2.05


hi
i think i might have seen somebody emailing about that prob before, but i
cant find it in the archive:
in term windows, my hostname has been replaced by
bash-2.05$
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[newbie] ksmserverrc and kde session start

[bascule]

i am a bit concerned at what i believe to be unnecessary processes that i see 
when i run ksysguard, i believe they may be related to the entries for kdesu 
that are in my ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc file, if i start kde and do 
nothing but launch xmms, kmail and everybuddy and ksysguard i still see lots 
of kdesu processes running, is it safe to manually delete these entries or 
are they necessary for kde to operate?

a couple of kde cooker updates ago kdesu seemed to be broken and i had to 
restart a few times so the above situation seems to have arisen from that, 
but i don't wish to break kde if i am wrong,

my ksmserverrc is as follows:
[General]
saveSession=false
screenCount=1

[Session]
count=4
discardCommand1=
discardCommand10=
discardCommand11=
discardCommand2=
discardCommand3=rm,/home/bascule/.kde/share/config/kmix:11c0a800029983496440109820006
discardCommand4=rm,/home/bascule/.kde/share/config/kmail:11c0a800029997957450172920006
discardCommand5=
discardCommand6=
discardCommand7=
discardCommand8=
discardCommand9=
program1=kwin
program10=kdesu
program11=kdesu
program2=501
program3=kmix
program4=kmail
program5=kdesu
program6=kdesu
program7=kdesu
program8=kdesu
program9=kdesu
restartCommand1=kwin,-session,11c0a80002998349628010982
restartCommand10=kdesu,-session,11c0a800029989455480014420042
restartCommand11=kdesu,-session,11c0a800029983549460109820038
restartCommand2=xmms,-p
restartCommand3=kmix,-session,11c0a800029983496440109820006
restartCommand4=kmail,-session,11c0a800029997957450172920006
restartCommand5=kdesu,-session,11c0a800029989453210014420036
restartCommand6=kdesu,-session,11c0a800029989453610014420037
restartCommand7=kdesu,-session,11c0a800029989454060014420038
restartCommand8=kdesu,-session,11c0a800029989455190014420040
restartCommand9=kdesu,-session,11c0a800029989455310014420041
restartStyleHint1=0
restartStyleHint10=0
restartStyleHint11=0
restartStyleHint2=0
restartStyleHint3=0
restartStyleHint4=0
restartStyleHint5=0
restartStyleHint6=0
restartStyleHint7=0
restartStyleHint8=0
restartStyleHint9=0
userId1=bascule
userId10=bascule
userId11=bascule
userId2=
userId3=bascule
userId4=bascule
userId5=bascule
userId6=bascule
userId7=bascule
userId8=bascule
userId9=bascule

another thing that confuses me is that everybuddy starts every time i start 
kde - since i chose 'save session' on logout with it running, but it doesn't 
show in the above file, is there another file that kde uses to save session 
details?

i know this file at least is involved since i manually edited it to add ',-p' 
after the entry for xmms to have xmms autoplay on start up and this works!

comments?

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[newbie] NVidia Drivers 1.0-1512 and newer kernels works for 2.4.8-17mdk

[civileme]

OK, folks, I can't really help you on this one.  I think closed source 
drivers are the quintessence of evil and I'll have to put a wreath of garlic 
on my computer, and sprinkle it with holy water after this cross-post.

But here it is FWIW


Hi

Here is how I did it, on an older installation that already had the old 
drivers installed and patched for devfs.

This is basically based on this mail:
http://www.mail-archive.com/cooker@linux-mandrake.com/msg41917.html

I went to:
http://www.cyber.com.au/users/ashridah/

>From which I downloaded the file:
 nvidia_devfs-patch_1.0-1512.patch

I renamed the file to:
 nvidia_devfs-patch_1.0-1512.diff

and used the the command, in the directory above /NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-1512, the 
result of unpacking NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-1512.tar.gz:
patch -p0 < nvidia_devfs-patch_1.0-1512.diff

Then I entered the above directory, and "make install".

I opned the  NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-1512.tar.gz  and subsequently "make install".

If you are doing it on a fresh install the above mail adds two things to do.

regards
guran

Coutesy of one of our cooker-list members.

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Re: [newbie] paste in console?

[Tom Brinkman]

On Thursday 06 September 2001 12:10 pm, Matt Greer escribió:
> on 9/6/01 11:17 AM, Tom Brinkman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > and it is in Linux also. Ctrl+c to copy, Ctrl+x to cut, and Ctrl+v
> > to paste
>
> Unfortunately only some of the time. Other times you need to use the
> middle mouse button which is a bit unintuitive (and has no equivalent
> key command). Still worse is cutting and pasting is dependent on the
> app, and cutting and pasting between apps sometimes works and
> sometimes doesn't.
>
> I'm very interested in resolving this and setting up universal
> cutting and pasting across all apps in my linux environment, I just
> haven't found the time to look into it. As it stands it makes working
> in Linux rather inefficient.

   I don't have a good answer for that Matt other than I'd put in in 
the USER, not OS column. For a long time now I've just used one or the 
other. If hi-lite and the middle click fails, Ctrl+c and Crtl+v works, 
or a combo of both.  One way or the other I get it done across all 
apps, any OS.

Since I rarely use Windoze anymore 'cept for flying airplanes, I 
only vaguley remember the situation is the same with that OS also. It's 
not a Linux, Windoze, or any OS deal. It's differences in the software 
apps they run, and/or USER deftness and intuition.
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[newbie] hostname: bash-2.05

[antoine rivoire]

hi
i think i might have seen somebody emailing about that prob before, but i 
cant find it in the archive:
in term windows, my hostname has been replaced by 
bash-2.05$
anybody?



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Re: [newbie] Find Command

[Miark]

Yes, what Ron said does also apply to bash. You'd need the quotes.

Thanks, Ron.

Miark

- Original Message - 
From: Ron Bouwhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Find Command


> Careful!  The Unix shell tries to "glob" wildcards
> before initiating the command - basically expand them
> out in the current directory.  (Glob is a transitive
> verb - I glob, you glob, he, she, it is globbing) ;-)
> 
> Thus in Miark's find command example, if there's a
> file in the current directory called, say thread, then
> you'll find that Unix ends up expanding the wildcards
> and running: find /usr -name thread - which is not
> what you want.  
> 
> So, if you don't want inadvertent globbing, you must
> quote the wildcard viz: find /usr -name "*read*"
> 
> Of course, bash may be different - I'm an old ksh and
> sh user(never liked csh).  Will try this at home
> tonight (if I remember).
> 
> Regards,
> Ron.
> 
> --- Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This should work: find /usr -name *read*
> > 
> > Miark
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: SoloCDM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Linux-Mandrake Newbie
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:53 AM
> > Subject: [newbie] Find Command
> > 
> > 
> > > How is it possible to force the find command to
> > list all files with
> > > "read" in the filename, regardless whether they
> > start with a period
> > > or not?
> > > 
> > > I already tried the following:
> > > 
> > >find /usr -iname ".*read*" -iname "*read*"
> > -type f -print
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Note: When you reply to this message, please
> > include the mailing
> > >   list/newsgroup address and my email address
> > in To:.
> > > 
> > >
> >
> *
> > > Signed,
> > > SoloCDM
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
> > 
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Re: [newbie] CD Burner - changed ISA channel

[Miark]

You have a burner on an ISA channel? Don't you mean an IDE channel?

Miark


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Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:57 AM
Subject: [newbie] CD Burner - changed ISA channel


> In order to use 'on the fly' burning, I had to move my CD Burner to another
> ISA channel as it was a slave to my DVD drive, and thus data transfers would
> be unreliable.  Just wondering what the best way to re-configure the
> ide-scsi emulation, mountings, etc would be.  Is there a utility to help
> configure this the Mandrake way, or does this have to be done manually?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ash
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Re: [newbie] WordPerfect8 & Mandrake 8

[s]

On Thursday 06 September 2001 03:07 pm,  mcoady wrote:
> Since installing Mandrake8 I cannot get WP8 for Linux to install.
> Is it probable that the newer Mandrake version has dropped certain files
> necessary for WP8?
>
> Michael

Does installing the libc5 rpm not help this time?  I believe I have had wp8 
on 8.0 but I had to install libc5-1.0-2.i386.rpm first.
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[newbie] WordPerfect8 & Mandrake 8

[mcoady]

Since installing Mandrake8 I cannot get WP8 for Linux to install.
Is it probable that the newer Mandrake version has dropped certain files 
necessary for WP8?

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Re: [newbie] paste in console?

[Matt Greer]

on 9/6/01 11:17 AM, Tom Brinkman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Thursday 06 September 2001 10:43 am, Matt Greer escribió:
>> on 9/6/01 10:27 AM, Jon Doe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> I can't beleive I have never needed this up untill now, but what is
>>> the keyborad equivilent of paste? In windon't it was Ctrl + v
> 
> and it is in Linux also. Ctrl+c to copy, Ctrl+x to cut, and Ctrl+v
> to paste

Unfortunately only some of the time. Other times you need to use the middle
mouse button which is a bit unintuitive (and has no equivalent key command).
Still worse is cutting and pasting is dependent on the app, and cutting and
pasting between apps sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.

I'm very interested in resolving this and setting up universal cutting and
pasting across all apps in my linux environment, I just haven't found the
time to look into it. As it stands it makes working in Linux rather
inefficient.

Matt


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Re: [newbie] Graphics in C++

[NULL]

Title: Blank



well, if you wish to try to learn OpenGL go to http://nehe.gamedev.net you would find a many 
tutorials related to OpenGL,
 
Have fun,
Dejan Lozanovic

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  amit !! 
  To: newbie 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:04 
  PM
  Subject: [newbie] Graphics in C++
  
  Hello friends
  i want to use graphics in C++ running under Red Hat Linux 7.0 
  can any one help me how to do that 
  hey ! for sure i dont want to use that QT, KDE, GNOME programming by 
  KDevelop 
  i am rather talking about something related to usage of Xlib
   
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Re: [newbie] MDK 8.0 and IBM ThinkPad T21

[civileme]

On Thursday 06 September 2001 10:59, Sigifredo "González" wrote:
> I instaled MDK 8.0 on an IBM ThinkPad
> T21 and every thing works properly
> with an exception, the mouse. I tryed to
> activated the PS2 device
> (dev/psaux) using the MAKEDEV and mknod
> programs, without results of any
> kind. When i did a "cat" over
> the device it answer me "the
> device don't exist".
>
> Somebody have an idea of how make it
> works?
>
> Thanks...
>

Update to Freq2 or Freq3.  There was a fix for people who had USB mouse and 
PS/2 keyboard (on all sorts of computers) that broke the IBM TrackPoint 
facility.  The updates in Freq fisx it.  You might also try the Updated 
kernel-2.4.7-12.3mdk, but please do _NOT_ not even during an air raid ever 
update a kernel.  ALWAYS install them.  That way the old kernel is still 
there and you can return to it if the newer one causes problems.

Furthermore, do nto attempt to get your laptop to show battery power through 
linux.  In particular, do not load lm_utils.  We are the only distro not 
putting that in by default and the reason we don't is to protect IBM laptops. 
 If you use the lm_utils and lm_sensors facility to monitor your hardware, 
you _will_ overwrite the I2C bus Prom and will have to return your notebook 
to IBM for a new motherboard.

Civileme

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Re: [newbie] Help please ...

[civileme]

On Thursday 06 September 2001 11:22, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> Michael Spivak wrote:
> > I edited my XF86Config-4 file, added the 'load "glx"' and 'load "dri"',
> > but the log file says,
> > that it failed to load DRI becouse it needs voodoo 3 or higher, and 2
> > lines before, it said
> > Voodoo 3 inc. chipset found, so, i don't know what to think and what to
> > do, i just bought the Mandrake
> > and the Voodoo .

What resolution are you running at?
If your color depth selection is not 16-bit, you have very little chance of 
acceleration.

Civileme

The fact that dri and glx weren't there suggests you chose another color 
depth.




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Re: [newbie] paste in console?

[Tom Brinkman]

On Thursday 06 September 2001 10:43 am, Matt Greer escribió:
> on 9/6/01 10:27 AM, Jon Doe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I can't beleive I have never needed this up untill now, but what is
> > the keyborad equivilent of paste? In windon't it was Ctrl + v

and it is in Linux also. Ctrl+c to copy, Ctrl+x to cut, and Ctrl+v 
to paste

> If you're in console mode, I don't believe you can cut and paste. You
> can cycle through previous bash commands with the up arrow. If you
> can cut and paste in console mode, I'd love to hear how.

   2 ways to copy from a terminal.  hi-lite the text and Ctrl+c, or 
just hi-lite, and then use middle mouse button to paste, or use Ctrl+v

   You can also copy from a teminal output, and paste it back in on the 
CL in that same or even a different terminal.
  EG, when I d/l a src.rpm to /home/tom/dl and rebuild it from there, 
the rpm(s) are written to  /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i686/
Rather than cd'ing to that dir I just stay right where I'm at and
hi-lite the rpm that was written, then I type 'rpm -Uvh  and then paste 
in  /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i686/.i686.rpm   and hit
.
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Re: [newbie] paste in console?

[Joan Tur]

Es Dijous 06 Setembre 2001 11:27, en Jon Doe va escriure:
> I can't beleive I have never needed this up untill now, but what is the
> keyborad equivilent of paste? In windon't it was Ctrl + v
It's the same as in windows or the middle mouse button...  ;)
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[newbie] Squid + https, cannot connect to https url's

[DStevenson]

HI all,

Can anyone help with the above subject please?

I have Squid and DansGuardian installed. DG is listening on 8080 which 
connects to Squid on 3128. The SSL connection is directed to 3128 as per DG 
website FAQ. I am expecting Squid to tunnel directly thru the proxy with a 
CONNECT statement. When I connect to any https url, Squid denies the 
connection as access denied. My squid.conf file is as default except for the 
listening port (8080 default -> 3128 ). I have played arounf with the 
settings:

#Defaults:
acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
acl manager proto cache_object
acl localhost src 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255
acl SSL_ports port 443 563
acl Safe_ports port 80 21 443 563 70 210 1025-65535
acl Safe_ports port 280 # http-mgmt
acl Safe_ports port 488 # gss-http
acl Safe_ports port 591 # filemaker
acl Safe_ports port 777 # multiling http
acl CONNECT method CONNECT

The access.log shows the following:

192.168.0.1 TCP_DENIED/403 1023 CONNECT ibankon.barclays.co.uk:443 - NONE/- - 

I have tried to include the 403 in the SSL_ports line and restart, but no 
diff seen. I dont understand what I need to do.

Any help would be appreciated.

Dave.

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 192.168.0.10 Mandrake 8.0 P120 160MB exports all home ares via NFS 
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RE: [newbie] paste in console?

[Lionel Pitaru]

All days you can learn something new . . .


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Kramer
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] paste in console?


Matt Greer wrote:
> are you in console mode or using a terminal emulator in X? In terminal
> emulators, pasting is typically the middle button (your wheel if you have
> one, or both buttons if you don't). One of my biggest peeves against X.
>
> If you're in console mode, I don't believe you can cut and paste. You can
> cycle through previous bash commands with the up arrow. If you can cut and
> paste in console mode, I'd love to hear how.

Expanding on what Matt said, there are some applications or combinations
of circumstances in which v works, and others where only the
middle button works.  In KDE, with Klipper running, I can use v in
many applications, but in console only the middle button works, and I
usually have to have the (mouse) cursor very close to where I want the
paste to occur.

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Re: [newbie] paste in console?

[Matt Greer]

on 9/6/01 10:50 AM, Randy Kramer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> but in console only the middle button works, and I
> usually have to have the (mouse) cursor very close to where I want the
> paste to occur.

Are you refering to true console mode where X isn't running at all? I can't
get the mouse to work in the console. I could with RedHat. Is this supported
in Mandrake?

Matt


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Re: [newbie] paste in console?

[Randy Kramer]

Matt Greer wrote:
> are you in console mode or using a terminal emulator in X? In terminal
> emulators, pasting is typically the middle button (your wheel if you have
> one, or both buttons if you don't). One of my biggest peeves against X.
> 
> If you're in console mode, I don't believe you can cut and paste. You can
> cycle through previous bash commands with the up arrow. If you can cut and
> paste in console mode, I'd love to hear how.

Expanding on what Matt said, there are some applications or combinations
of circumstances in which v works, and others where only the
middle button works.  In KDE, with Klipper running, I can use v in
many applications, but in console only the middle button works, and I
usually have to have the (mouse) cursor very close to where I want the
paste to occur.

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RE: [newbie] paste in console?

[Lionel Pitaru]

At least, it works for me in X



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Subject: RE: [newbie] paste in console?


In Linux too.
I just can respond this kind of questions, :(

Hope it helps

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Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:27 PM
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Subject: [newbie] paste in console?


I can't beleive I have never needed this up untill now, but what is the 
keyborad equivilent of paste? In windon't it was Ctrl + v







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RE: [newbie] paste in console?

[Lionel Pitaru]

In Linux too.
I just can respond this kind of questions, :(

Hope it helps

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] paste in console?


I can't beleive I have never needed this up untill now, but what is the 
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RE: [newbie] Help please ...

[Michael Spivak]

Actually, i bought the Voodoo before the LM, and when i installed it, the
card was
already in

-Original Message-
From: Ronald J. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Help please ...


Michael Spivak wrote:
> 
> I edited my XF86Config-4 file, added the 'load "glx"' and 'load "dri"',
but
> the log file says,
> that it failed to load DRI becouse it needs voodoo 3 or higher, and 2
lines
> before, it said
> Voodoo 3 inc. chipset found, so, i don't know what to think and what to
do,
> i just bought the Mandrake
> and the Voodoo .

Michael, did you install 8.0 before or after you bought the Voodoo? 8.0
finds
the Voodoo 3000 (is it AGP or PCI, btw?), and will automagically install 3d
acceleration. You did pick XFree 4.03 and hardware accel. when it asked,
right?

If you added the Voodoo after your 8.0 installation, you can still add
acceleration. Click the Mandrake Control Center icon from your desktop, then
pick "display", pick your settings, and use expert mode. That -should- set
your card up.

Hope this helps, and let us know! ;-)

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Re: [newbie] paste in console?

[Matt Greer]

on 9/6/01 10:27 AM, Jon Doe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I can't beleive I have never needed this up untill now, but what is the
> keyborad equivilent of paste? In windon't it was Ctrl + v

are you in console mode or using a terminal emulator in X? In terminal
emulators, pasting is typically the middle button (your wheel if you have
one, or both buttons if you don't). One of my biggest peeves against X.

If you're in console mode, I don't believe you can cut and paste. You can
cycle through previous bash commands with the up arrow. If you can cut and
paste in console mode, I'd love to hear how.

Matt


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Re: [newbie] new linux drivers for nvidia cards Version: 1.0-1512

[Tom Brinkman]

On Thursday 06 September 2001 09:38 am, s escribió:
> On Thursday 06 September 2001 09:31 am,  Tom Brinkman wrote:

> >  If you are using LM 8.0 and haven't upgraded the kernel from
> > 2.4.3-20mdk, I suspect you'll have some luck with them. I'm using a
> > 2.4.8-18 kernel and d/l'd and rebuilt nVidia's src.rpms to fit my
> > system.  2d works, 3d accel doesn't. Even 'gears' won't start. I've
> > gone back to the open source drivers Mandrake ships with.  2d is
> > 'clearer' with the open source drivers than any of nVidia's closed
> > source drivers, including the 1512's.
>
> Have you tried the tarballs?
> -s

That's what I tried first. Altho I know they're only tar.gz 
wrappers around precompiled closed source secret binaries. Part of the 
problem, besides having a kernel version that nVidia didn't use, is I 
also have upgraded glibc, among other things, to newer versions.

The src.rpm's are nothin more than the same thing as the tarball's, 
but are made to be more distro compatible than the tarballs.  
   The nvidia src.rpms rebuilt without a hitch and produced
 NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-1512.i686.rpm  and  NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-1512.i686.rpm 
both of which installed with no problem.   I keep two versions of 
 XF86Config-4  in /et/X11. I switched to the one appropriate for the
nvidia drivers, checked it against nvidia's current README, and 
restarted.  X came up fine, but no 3d accel.

I didn't fool with it any further.  I really don't like using 
closed source binaries, and I don't need 3d accel with Linux. AND 
since 2d is better and a touch faster with the Linux developed open 
source drivers, I switched XF86Config-4 back to the open source version.

I wasn't surprised by any of this, I didn't expect nvidia's closed 
source drivers to run properly on anything but a system similar (ie, 
kernel, gcc, glibc, etc) than what nVidia used to make 'em.  I just 
tried 'em out'a curiosity.  I was surprised that nVidia used a 2.4.3 
kernel, since 8.0's had a MandrakeUpdate for security and bug fix 
reasons to 2.4.7 for some time now.
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[newbie] paste in console?

[Jon Doe]

I can't beleive I have never needed this up untill now, but what is the 
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Re: [newbie] Help please ...

[Ronald J. Hall]

Michael Spivak wrote:
> 
> I edited my XF86Config-4 file, added the 'load "glx"' and 'load "dri"', but
> the log file says,
> that it failed to load DRI becouse it needs voodoo 3 or higher, and 2 lines
> before, it said
> Voodoo 3 inc. chipset found, so, i don't know what to think and what to do,
> i just bought the Mandrake
> and the Voodoo .

Michael, did you install 8.0 before or after you bought the Voodoo? 8.0 finds
the Voodoo 3000 (is it AGP or PCI, btw?), and will automagically install 3d
acceleration. You did pick XFree 4.03 and hardware accel. when it asked,
right?

If you added the Voodoo after your 8.0 installation, you can still add
acceleration. Click the Mandrake Control Center icon from your desktop, then
pick "display", pick your settings, and use expert mode. That -should- set
your card up.

Hope this helps, and let us know! ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Help please ...

[Ronald J. Hall]

> Michael Spivak wrote:
> 
> Does anyone here configured an Voodoo 3 3000 on
> linux mandrake 8.0 ? I need help 
> 
> 
> ***
> Michael Spivak
> Topaz QA Team Leader
> Mercury Interactive
> Ext. - 2586
> Cell. - 054-543234
> Home - 09-8358599
> ***
> 
> 

Hi. My 2nd machine that my 10 year old uses is dual booting Windog and
Mandrake 8.0 with a Voodoo 3000. Works well here. What was it that you needed?
Just let me know and I will help if I can...

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Re: [newbie]

[Randy Kramer]

Hipolito Lopez wrote:
> 
> unsusbribe

Hipolito,

See http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Test/UnsubscribingFromMailingLists,
perhaps the portion labeled "En Espanol".

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RE: [newbie] Help please ...

[FLYNN, Steve]

Typically, I'm at work and my MDK box is 180 miles away. I'll post you my
XF86Config file on Friday evening for comparison purposes... However, I'm
sure you'll get help with it before the from other members of the list.

Steve Flynn
NOP Data Migration Ops Analyst
* 01603 687386


-Original Message-
From:   Michael Spivak [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:11 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject:RE: [newbie] Help please ...

I edited my XF86Config-4 file, added the 'load "glx"' and 'load
"dri"', but
the log file says, 
that it failed to load DRI becouse it needs voodoo 3 or higher, and
2 lines
before, it said
Voodoo 3 inc. chipset found, so, i don't know what to think and what
to do,
i just bought the Mandrake
and the Voodoo .

-Original Message-
From: FLYNN, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 6:05 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [newbie] Help please ...


I've got my Voodoo 4 4500 working with MDK 8.0, but not very well.
Switching
from X to console or vice-versa can take 3 or 4 seconds. Saying
that, I've
not had the time to spend on fixing the problem and generating a
proper
XF86Config-4 file.

However, my card worked straight out of the install - I'm fairly
sure the
support for the V3 would be just as good. What problem in particular
are you
having?

Steve Flynn
NOP Data Migration Ops Analyst
* 01603 687386


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Subject:[newbie] Help please ...

Does anyone here configured an Voodoo 3 3000 on
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RE: [newbie] Help please ...

[Michael Spivak]

I edited my XF86Config-4 file, added the 'load "glx"' and 'load "dri"', but
the log file says, 
that it failed to load DRI becouse it needs voodoo 3 or higher, and 2 lines
before, it said
Voodoo 3 inc. chipset found, so, i don't know what to think and what to do,
i just bought the Mandrake
and the Voodoo .

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Subject: RE: [newbie] Help please ...


I've got my Voodoo 4 4500 working with MDK 8.0, but not very well. Switching
from X to console or vice-versa can take 3 or 4 seconds. Saying that, I've
not had the time to spend on fixing the problem and generating a proper
XF86Config-4 file.

However, my card worked straight out of the install - I'm fairly sure the
support for the V3 would be just as good. What problem in particular are you
having?

Steve Flynn
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* 01603 687386


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Subject:[newbie] Help please ...

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not had the time to spend on fixing the problem and generating a proper
XF86Config-4 file.

However, my card worked straight out of the install - I'm fairly sure the
support for the V3 would be just as good. What problem in particular are you
having?

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RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0

[Mark Wheeler]

Title: Message



Again, 
just to be clear. This is a WEBCAM, not a digital camera. The USB daemon is 
running.

  
  -Original Message-From: Michael Spivak 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 
  11:57 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: 
  [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
  is your 
  USB daemon up ?
  test is 
  with 'modprobe usb'
  anyway, if 
  it doesn't run (as root ): '/etc/init.d/rc.d/usb start'
  this will 
  start your usb, then you'll have to look for some driver for your 
  cam
  If you has 
  an SmartMedia or something, like mine - Toshiba PDR-M5, 
  then
  it's very 
  simple, you just mount the smartmedia to /mnt/camera, and access it 
  
  like any 
  other regular directory ...
   
  Hope I 
  helped ...
  
-Original Message-From: Mark Wheeler 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 06, 
2001 4:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: 
[newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
I 
get 'no cameras detected' with gphoto. I guess what I really need is a 
working/hack
driver for the Quickcam Pro (USB). 


  
  -Original Message-From: Michael 
  Spivak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 
  September 06, 2001 10:29 AMTo: 
  '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam 
  USB for Mandrake 8.0
  Did 
  you check the gphoto ?
  
-Original Message-From: Mark Wheeler 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 06, 
2001 2:07 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
The camera is a logitech quickcam pro, no smart media. The 
express
drivers were useless for me. I get the same results with xawtv and 
webcam;
'no device at /dev/video.' I have a Lifeview Robocam working on 
another
Mandrake machine, I had to do no extra tweaking to get it to work. 
I believe
it uses the OV511? driver.

  -Original Message- From: Michael 
  Spivak Sent: Thu 9/6/2001 7:44 AM To: 
  '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rob Cc: 
  Subject: RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 
  8.0
  Does your camera have some storage device (like 
  SmartMedia) ?-Original Message-From: etharp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
  Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:45 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RobSubject: Re: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam 
  USB for Mandrake 8.0try a web search on google for 
  openh323 and openphone and openmcu.On Thursday 06 September 2001 
  00:58, Rob wrote:> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 11:24 am, you 
  wrote:>> there is a quickcam express driver in 
  development at www.sourceforge.net.> Right now it's in Alpha 
  development (seems it been for in development for> over a 
  year)   I've manage to get it working for my cam.  just 
  wish there> were a netmeeting for linux or something like 
  compatible like to work with> a windows conferencing 
  versions.>> > I have a Logitech QuickCam Pro (light 
  ring). This device is> > Recognized in Mandrake 8.0. My 
  question is, now what? How do> > I retrieve images with it. 
  I have been going around in circles> > Installing gqcam, 
  xawtv, etc. I get errors with xawtv, with> > /dev/video0: no 
  such device.> >> > Thanks,> >> 
  > 
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[newbie] Help please ...

[Michael Spivak]

Does anyone here 
configured an Voodoo 3 3000 on
linux mandrake 8.0 ? I 
need help 
 

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[newbie] MDK 8.0 and IBM ThinkPad T21

[González]

I instaled MDK 8.0 on an IBM ThinkPad 
T21 and every thing works properly 
with an exception, the mouse. I tryed to 
activated the PS2 device 
(dev/psaux) using the MAKEDEV and mknod 
programs, without results of any 
kind. When i did a "cat" over 
the device it answer me "the 
device don't exist". 

Somebody have an idea of how make it 
works? 

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RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0

[Michael Spivak]

Title: Message



is your USB 
daemon up ?
test is with 
'modprobe usb'
anyway, if 
it doesn't run (as root ): '/etc/init.d/rc.d/usb start'
this will 
start your usb, then you'll have to look for some driver for your 
cam
If you has 
an SmartMedia or something, like mine - Toshiba PDR-M5, then
it's very 
simple, you just mount the smartmedia to /mnt/camera, and access it 

like any 
other regular directory ...
 
Hope I 
helped ...

  -Original Message-From: Mark Wheeler 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 
  4:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: 
  [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
  I 
  get 'no cameras detected' with gphoto. I guess what I really need is a 
  working/hack
  driver for the Quickcam Pro (USB). 
  
  

-Original Message-From: Michael Spivak 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 
2001 10:29 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: 
RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
Did you 
check the gphoto ?

  -Original Message-From: Mark Wheeler 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 06, 
  2001 2:07 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
  The camera is a logitech quickcam pro, no smart media. The 
  express
  drivers were useless for me. I get the same results with xawtv and 
  webcam;
  'no device at /dev/video.' I have a Lifeview Robocam working on 
  another
  Mandrake machine, I had to do no extra tweaking to get it to work. I 
  believe
  it uses the OV511? driver.
  
-Original Message- From: Michael 
Spivak Sent: Thu 9/6/2001 7:44 AM To: 
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rob Cc: 
Subject: RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 
8.0
Does your camera have some storage device (like 
SmartMedia) ?-Original Message-From: etharp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
RobSubject: Re: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 
8.0try a web search on google for openh323 and openphone and 
openmcu.On Thursday 06 September 2001 00:58, Rob wrote:> On 
Wednesday 05 September 2001 11:24 am, you wrote:>> there 
is a quickcam express driver in development at 
www.sourceforge.net.> Right now it's in Alpha development (seems 
it been for in development for> over a year)   I've 
manage to get it working for my cam.  just wish there> were 
a netmeeting for linux or something like compatible like to work 
with> a windows conferencing versions.>> > I 
have a Logitech QuickCam Pro (light ring). This device is> > 
Recognized in Mandrake 8.0. My question is, now what? How do> 
> I retrieve images with it. I have been going around in 
circles> > Installing gqcam, xawtv, etc. I get errors with 
xawtv, with> > /dev/video0: no such device.> 
>> > Thanks,> >> > 
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[Hipolito Lopez]

Re: [newbie] new linux drivers for nvidia cards Version: 1.0-1512

[s]

On Thursday 06 September 2001 09:31 am,  Tom Brinkman wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 10:39 pm, mike cola escribió:
> > the new linux drivers Version: 1.0-1512 for nvidia cards are out now
> > at http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=linux ..
> >
> > im getting my geforce2mx next week so anyone already running these
> > drivers? any feedback?
>
>  If you are using LM 8.0 and haven't upgraded the kernel from
> 2.4.3-20mdk, I suspect you'll have some luck with them. I'm using a
> 2.4.8-18 kernel and d/l'd and rebuilt nVidia's src.rpms to fit my
> system.  2d works, 3d accel doesn't. Even 'gears' won't start. I've
> gone back to the open source drivers Mandrake ships with.  2d is
> 'clearer' with the open source drivers than any of nVidia's closed
> source drivers, including the 1512's.

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RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0

[Mark Wheeler]

Title: Message



I get 
'no cameras detected' with gphoto. I guess what I really need is a 
working/hack
driver 
for the Quickcam Pro (USB). 

  
  -Original Message-From: Michael Spivak 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 
  10:29 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: 
  [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
  Did you 
  check the gphoto ?
  
-Original Message-From: Mark Wheeler 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 06, 
2001 2:07 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: 
[newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
The camera is a logitech quickcam pro, no smart media. The 
express
drivers were useless for me. I get the same results with xawtv and 
webcam;
'no device at /dev/video.' I have a Lifeview Robocam working on 
another
Mandrake machine, I had to do no extra tweaking to get it to work. I 
believe
it uses the OV511? driver.

  -Original Message- From: Michael 
  Spivak Sent: Thu 9/6/2001 7:44 AM To: 
  '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rob Cc: 
  Subject: RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 
  8.0
  Does your camera have some storage device (like 
  SmartMedia) ?-Original Message-From: etharp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
  Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  RobSubject: Re: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 
  8.0try a web search on google for openh323 and openphone and 
  openmcu.On Thursday 06 September 2001 00:58, Rob wrote:> On 
  Wednesday 05 September 2001 11:24 am, you wrote:>> there is 
  a quickcam express driver in development at www.sourceforge.net.> 
  Right now it's in Alpha development (seems it been for in development 
  for> over a year)   I've manage to get it working for my 
  cam.  just wish there> were a netmeeting for linux or 
  something like compatible like to work with> a windows conferencing 
  versions.>> > I have a Logitech QuickCam Pro (light 
  ring). This device is> > Recognized in Mandrake 8.0. My question 
  is, now what? How do> > I retrieve images with it. I have been 
  going around in circles> > Installing gqcam, xawtv, etc. I get 
  errors with xawtv, with> > /dev/video0: no such device.> 
  >> > Thanks,> >> > 
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[newbie] Enabling Disk Quotas

[jrodri]

Hi everyone

I hope that someone could help me with these... I'm trying to set
quotas for my users, i want that each user of a group named "mailgroup"
has a restriction of 5 Mb of space on disk, i already have mount my
filesystem with quotas support... so I guess that i'm on half of the
way...

I already read the setquotas man... but i did'nt get so much of it... i
need just an real command line example.. :-)



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RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0

[Michael Spivak]

Title: RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0



Did you 
check the gphoto ?

  -Original Message-From: Mark Wheeler 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 
  2:07 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: 
  [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
  The camera is a logitech quickcam pro, no smart media. The express
  drivers were useless for me. I get the same results with xawtv and 
  webcam;
  'no device at /dev/video.' I have a Lifeview Robocam working on 
  another
  Mandrake machine, I had to do no extra tweaking to get it to work. I 
  believe
  it uses the OV511? driver.
  
-Original Message- From: Michael Spivak 
Sent: Thu 9/6/2001 7:44 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rob Cc: Subject: RE: 
[newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0
Does your camera have some storage device (like SmartMedia) 
?-Original Message-From: etharp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
RobSubject: Re: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 
8.0try a web search on google for openh323 and openphone and 
openmcu.On Thursday 06 September 2001 00:58, Rob wrote:> On 
Wednesday 05 September 2001 11:24 am, you wrote:>> there is a 
quickcam express driver in development at www.sourceforge.net.> Right 
now it's in Alpha development (seems it been for in development for> 
over a year)   I've manage to get it working for my cam.  
just wish there> were a netmeeting for linux or something like 
compatible like to work with> a windows conferencing 
versions.>> > I have a Logitech QuickCam Pro (light ring). 
This device is> > Recognized in Mandrake 8.0. My question is, now 
what? How do> > I retrieve images with it. I have been going 
around in circles> > Installing gqcam, xawtv, etc. I get errors 
with xawtv, with> > /dev/video0: no such device.> 
>> > Thanks,> >> > 
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[newbie] SiS 630 on Notebooks

[civileme]

8.0 Video will work

First install and let the recommended configuration be made for the SiS.

Next, go to console and login as root (select NOT to have X start at boot)

from a console use your favorite editor to edit 

/etc/lilo.conf

add the line or change the vga line for the linux boot to

vga=791

remove the lines for linux-nonfb booting

save & quit

when the root prompt comes back up

# lilo

#
then reboot

Once you are in console, startx will get you to X and you can use Mandrake 
Control Center to modify how you boot.  Some folks are happy to boot to 
console all the time and then modify various fikles to choose the 
WindowManager they use, and several seem to like the Xtart rpm in cooker.

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Re: [newbie] 9 gmc's on the KDE desktop(FIXED)

[D. Hoyem]

Colin,
  Thanks, that did it.  I basically redid the
ksmserverrc to match what you had.. First I made a
copy of it for backup reasons.  But yes the Desktop is
correct and no more 9 gmc's.
Thanks again.
Don
--- "C.H. Close" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "D. Hoyem" wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Preston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hello D.,
> > >
> > > Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 11:28:25 AM, you
> wrote:
> > >
> > > DH>   Somehow I now have 9 gmc's on my desktop
> and
> > > to
> > > DH> remove them I go to the bottom of the screen
> and
> > > DH> delete them one at a time.
> > > DH>   I'm using Mandrake 8.0 on a Dell 5450
> Lpatop.
> > > What
> > > DH> do i need to do to stop this from happening.
> > > DH> Thanks.
> > > DH> Don
> > >
> > > That sounds like a problem I had when using the
> > > Gnome Samba program.
> > > It's like it doesn't unmount the connection and
> when
> > > you login it
> > > opens the "windows" and you have to close them
> each
> > > and every time.
> > > Check to see if you are severing the connections
> or
> > > if one of the
> > > machines is in the habit of "dropping" from the
> > > network.  I had a
> > > Windows 98 machine that would "lose" its'
> connection
> > > to my LAN.  After
> > > I cleaned the /tmp directory of the loose ends,
> no
> > > further problem.
> > >
> > > Also, I fixed the Windows machine... it's now a
> > > BeBox.
> > >
> > > (O.T. I am going to miss BeOS)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > >  Preston
> > 
> > Thanks for the response Preston,
> >   If memory servers me correctly I do not have
> Simba
> > installed and it isn't set.  This first happened
> when
> > I started it up as a stand alone machine, not
> > connected to my work lan.  This happened once
> before
> > on another system when I was using Mandrake 7.1
> and
> > could never figure out why, so I did a reinstall.
> >   I would hate to do a reinstall again to get rid
> of
> > this.
> >   Anyone else with another idea?
> > Thanks
> > Don
> 
> Don,
>   I have had this problem and here is the the
> permanent solution.
> There is probably a bug in the scripts that write
> and modify the
> /$(HOME)/.kde/share/config/kmserverrc file. This
> file seems to contain
> the session information if you have used the save
> session option on
> logout. The problem is that when you uncheck the
> save session marker it
> doesn't seem to delete the session information so
> when you log back on
> it all just comes back again. If you look at line 6
> of the file below I
> suspect (although I haven't proved it) that it is
> thiss command that is
> wrongly formatted. The problem is compounded by the
> fact that there is a
> save session option in the kde control centre which
> if turned on may
> save the session anyway with one realising it
> (irrespective of whether
> you use the save session option at logout). The
> option is under system >
> session manager. I haven't tested it but if I were
> you I would turn off
> the save session option there too.
> 
> To correct the problem delete the stuff in the file
> as shown in the
> before and after files below:
> Close your session and restart and that annoying
> quirk should be gone.
> BTW it took me months to get so cross with it before
> I decided to
> investigate with scant regard for breaking anything.
> 
> 
>   Regards, 
> 
> Colin Close
> 
> BEFORE!!
> 
> [General]
> saveSession=false
> [Session]
> count=2
> discardCommand1=
>
discardCommand2=rm,/home/colin/.gnome//gmc-u6joce/[General]
> saveSession=false
> [Session]
> count=2
> discardCommand1=
> discardCommand2=rm,/home/colin/.gnome//gmc-u6joce/
> program1=kwin
> program2=gmc
>
restartCommand1=kwin,-session,11c0a80001999663679014246
>
restartCommand2=gmc,--sm-config-prefix,/gmc-u6joce/,--sm-client-id,11c0a800019997387490142460022
> restartStyleHint1=0
> restartStyleHint2=1083965442
> userId1=colin
> userId2=colin
> 
> AFTER!
> 
> [General]
> saveSession=false
> [Session]
> count=2
> discardCommand1=
> discardCommand2=rm,/home/colin/.gnome//gmc-u6joce/
> program1=kwin
> program2=
>
restartCommand1=kwin,-session,11c0a80001999663679014246
> restartCommand2=
> restartStyleHint1=0
> restartStyleHint2=
> userId1=colin
> userId2=
> 
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Re: [newbie] Switching to KDE 22 usual look and feel

[skinky]

On Thursday 06 September 2001 22:33, you wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I finally installed KDE 22 on my LM8 box.
> Unfortunately
> I got a problem. Each time I am starting the system
> the login manager is displaying a list with only two
> windows managers:
>
> One is 'Default' which in my system is Ximian Gnome
> and another one is KDE 22. The point is when I log on
> using KDE 22 the windows manager is ICE.
>
> I don't like this windows manager at all. It looks
> very primitive and I would like to use KDE 22's normal
> (usual) configuration of the desktop. Clean KDE 22.
>
> Can someone give me a hint which file should I modify
> in order to disable this windows manager and enable
> the  standard KDE 22 look and feel ?
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Alex

Alex, have you tried logging into Gnome.  You may find that logging into 
Gnome will actually log into KDE - that's what happened when I upgraded to 
KDE2.2.

Try that first, if that doesn't work then you can edit /etc/x11/prefdm 
making kdm your preferred desktop manager:

preferred=kdm
#if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then
#       . /etc/sysconfig/desktop >/dev/null 2>&1
#       [ -n "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DESKTOP=$DISPLAYMANAGER
#       if [ "$DESKTOP" = GNOME -o "$DESKTOP" = Gnome ]; then
#               preferred=gdm
#       elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE1" -o "$DESKTOP" = 
"KDE2"
]; then
#               preferred=/usr/bin/kdm
#       elif [ "$DESKTOP" = AnotherLevel ] ; then
#                preferred=/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm
#       fi
#fi

Good luck.
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RE: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0

[Michael Spivak]

Does your camera have some storage device (like SmartMedia) ?

-Original Message-
From: etharp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rob
Subject: Re: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0


try a web search on google for openh323 and openphone and openmcu. 
On Thursday 06 September 2001 00:58, Rob wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 11:24 am, you wrote:
>
> there is a quickcam express driver in development at www.sourceforge.net.
> Right now it's in Alpha development (seems it been for in development for
> over a year)   I've manage to get it working for my cam.  just wish there
> were a netmeeting for linux or something like compatible like to work with
> a windows conferencing versions.
>
> > I have a Logitech QuickCam Pro (light ring). This device is
> > Recognized in Mandrake 8.0. My question is, now what? How do
> > I retrieve images with it. I have been going around in circles
> > Installing gqcam, xawtv, etc. I get errors with xawtv, with
> > /dev/video0: no such device.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark


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Re: [newbie] Setting up for autorun

[Incubus]

Thanks so much Michael, that was what I was looking for. Everything booted 
up and started right up on cue. Now to learn what to do with PHP and MySQL, 
lol.

Thanks again!


At 11:17 PM 9/5/2001, you wrote:
>More specifically, you'll need a symlink in /etc/rc.d/rc[3-5].d/ .
>
>The usual link for mysql in Mandrake is S90mysql which should be a link to
>/etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql -- so you'll do 'ln -s /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql
>S90mysql' from inside /etc/rc.d/rc3.d, /etc/rc.d/rc4.d, and /etc/rc.d/rc5.d
>without the quotes.
>
>Finally, you'll need to add two kill links (so that when it reboots or goes
>into runlevel 1, it'll correctly stop mysql), so you'll do
>'ln -s /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql K90mysql' from inside /etc/rc.d/rc1.d and
>/etc/rc.d/rc6.d without the quotes.
>
>Needless to say, you'll have to be root to do so.
>
>Michael
>
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Re: [newbie] HELP: QuickCam USB for Mandrake 8.0

[etharp]

try a web search on google for openh323 and openphone and openmcu. 
On Thursday 06 September 2001 00:58, Rob wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 11:24 am, you wrote:
>
> there is a quickcam express driver in development at www.sourceforge.net.
> Right now it's in Alpha development (seems it been for in development for
> over a year)   I've manage to get it working for my cam.  just wish there
> were a netmeeting for linux or something like compatible like to work with
> a windows conferencing versions.
>
> > I have a Logitech QuickCam Pro (light ring). This device is
> > Recognized in Mandrake 8.0. My question is, now what? How do
> > I retrieve images with it. I have been going around in circles
> > Installing gqcam, xawtv, etc. I get errors with xawtv, with
> > /dev/video0: no such device.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark


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[newbie] Switching to KDE 22 usual look and feel

[Alex K]

Hello,

I finally installed KDE 22 on my LM8 box.
Unfortunately
I got a problem. Each time I am starting the system
the login manager is displaying a list with only two
windows managers:

One is 'Default' which in my system is Ximian Gnome
and another one is KDE 22. The point is when I log on
using KDE 22 the windows manager is ICE. 

I don't like this windows manager at all. It looks
very primitive and I would like to use KDE 22's normal
(usual) configuration of the desktop. Clean KDE 22.

Can someone give me a hint which file should I modify
in order to disable this windows manager and enable
the  standard KDE 22 look and feel ?

Thanks a lot,
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RE: [newbie] simple command line question

[FLYNN, Steve]

CTRL-D will end it the continuation...

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-Original Message-
From:   jennifer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:[newbie] simple command line question

This happens to me all the time, but I am finnaly going to put the
question 
to you guys no matter how embarassing it is.

When I'm using bash, I sometimes hit the ' (comma) key instead of
enter and 
then get brought into a loop I can't get out of. I imagine this is
some sort 
of feature that would allow you to enter extra long command
sequences but the 
 key does not activate the command, nor can I find anyway to
get out 
of the loop.  (or shall i say in the loop because I don't have a
clue 
  All i get is the >  charactor no matter what monkey
business I try 
with the key bored.

With humble humilty, 

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RE: [newbie] Kernel Make Commands

[FLYNN, Steve]

Bill,

I think maybe you have misunderstood what the make command actually
does.

I think you were attempting to roll your own kernel, and you were
calling 'make menuconfig' and suchlike, but with no luck. Probably getting a
"No rule to make menuconfig" or similar...

What 'make' actually does is read a file, usually called "makefile"
(note lowercase) which contains instructions on how to compile a particular
product. It specifies which compiler to use, what flags to pass to the
compiler, what the files to compile are, which files are dependent upon
other files and so forth. You could issue all of the these commands
yourself, but when you have, say, 3000 files to compile which all have to be
done together to cerate a fully linked kernel it's a major problem.
Makefiles were invented to take the tedium out of compiling large complex
programs like the linux kernel.

Anyway, make doesn't care what it's compiling, it just wants to know
HOW to compile it. Therefore, if you want to compile a new kernel, make must
be ale to see the makefile which defines the method of compiling that new
kernel. If you want to compile your own version of Konqueror, make must be
able to see the makefile which defines how to compile Konqueror and so on.

All you were doing wrong was telling make to make a target called
"menuconfig", but you weren't in the directory which contained the makefile
which defined HOW to build menuconfig.

In your post below you say that O'Reilly's "Running Linux" says the
subdirectory for make is something different. Do you mean that "Running
Linux" used a different directory than /usr/src/linux/ to compile a kernel
from?


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-Original Message-
From:   Bill Cole and Virginia Morton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [newbie] Kernel Make Commands

Alex, thank you very much for your help.  In fact, I was not sitting
in the correct directory as you politely pointed out in your note. 

One point of confusion that I've had is how to reconcile differences
between distributions with regard to where pieces of the system are located.
I've have the O'Reilly Running Linux book which says that the subdirectory
for 'make' is something different; there are a lot of these distribution
differences that really get in the way of efficient learning.  I've scouted
the on-line Mandrake documentation for a similar information about 'make',
but, if it is there, clearly I missed it and I apologize in advance for
doing so. 

While I suppose the economics aren't yet with Mandrake, talking one
of the computer publishing houses into doing a Mandrake-Linux book [having
an author would be good too :-)] which points to these distribution
differences would be a really big help. 

I really like the Mandrake product and approach to customers.  I
hope that the company has a business plan that makes a profit for the
investors and keeps the company viable. 

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Re: [newbie] Kernel Make Commands

[A V Flinsch]

On Tuesday 04 September 2001 06:44 pm, you wrote:
> Alex, thank you very much for your help.  In fact, I was not sitting in
> the correct directory as you politely pointed out in your note.

Glad to help, after all, that is what this list is here for.


> One point of confusion that I've had is how to reconcile differences
> between distributions with regard to where pieces of the system are
> located.  I've have the O'Reilly Running Linux book which says that the
> subdirectory for 'make' is something different; there are a lot of

I assume that you mean the subdirectory for the linux source. I have the 
second edition of that book and it has the source located in 
/usr/src/linux

> these distribution differences that really get in the way of efficient
> learning.  I've scouted the on-line Mandrake documentation for a
> similar information about 'make', but, if it is there, clearly I missed
> it and I apologize in advance for doing so.

the man page for make is one of the worst that ther is, try the info page
type "info make" at a command line. O'Reilly also publishes a whole book 
on make.

> While I suppose the economics aren't yet with Mandrake, talking one of
> the computer publishing houses into doing a Mandrake-Linux book [having
> an author would be good too :-)] which points to these distribution
> differences would be a really big help.

I have seen one book specifically for Mandrake, IIRC, it was one of those 
"Learn xyzzy in 24 Hours" books (substitute xyzzy for the technology du 
jour), and was aimed at newbies. I believe that it was for an older 
Mandrake distro also, possibly 7.0. As for where things are located, 
Mandrake is pretty close to RedHat, and very different from Suse, so take 
a look at a RedHat book (of which there are plenty), and with Linux 
Standard Base coming along, hopefully all distros will be looking in the 
same places for the same things.

-- 
Alex

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[newbie] "nice" command help needed

[Andrei Raevsky]

I understand the basic usage of the nice command.  However, I did not find 
any documentation on the possible uses of this command.  For example, I 
would like to find several examples of what can be achieved with this 
command, what type of priority should or should not be given to any one 
process, in what circumstances it makes sense to adapt the priority of a 
process, etc.

ideally - I would like to find some e-book in pdf format discussing process 
management under linux.

any help would be most welcome!

thanks

andrei




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Re: [newbie] Setting up for autorun

[Michael D. Viron]

At 06:33 AM 09/06/2001 GMT, you wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format...
>
>=_999758021-7607-1676
>
>> Hello, been lurking a bit and had a question that the gurus can help me 
>> with.  I recently installed MySQL from source code and thusly, didn't get 
>> everything entered automagically into my etc/rc.d/init.d folder for 
>> execution at bootup.  I copied the  mysql.server file into init.d and ran 
>> the command in start and stop to verify it worked, which it did.  My 
>> problem is...how do I get it to autostart on reboot?  I tried rebooting to 
>> test it and no go.  I'm sure it has to do with the other rc.1, etc. 
>> folders, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it.
>
>Depends on whether you boot runlevel 3 or 5.
>You need a symlink in /etc/init.d/rc3.d or /etc/init.d/rc5.d for it to run
>automatically. (Names of dirs may be off, not at my linux box at the moment)
>
>Paul

More specifically, you'll need a symlink in /etc/rc.d/rc[3-5].d/ .

The usual link for mysql in Mandrake is S90mysql which should be a link to
/etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql -- so you'll do 'ln -s /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql
S90mysql' from inside /etc/rc.d/rc3.d, /etc/rc.d/rc4.d, and /etc/rc.d/rc5.d
without the quotes.

Finally, you'll need to add two kill links (so that when it reboots or goes
into runlevel 1, it'll correctly stop mysql), so you'll do 
'ln -s /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql K90mysql' from inside /etc/rc.d/rc1.d and
/etc/rc.d/rc6.d without the quotes.

Needless to say, you'll have to be root to do so.

Michael

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[newbie] what does ...

[Mohammed Arafa]

 Xlib: extension XVideo missing on display ",0:0" mean?

and i m trying to watch mpegs, avi, divx etc on my linux box
any hints at all are extremely welcome

thanks


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Re: [newbie] Setting up for autorun

[Incubus]

I tried dragging the mysql.server file into the rc3.d directory and making 
a link to it but it didn't autostart on the reboot. I also tried rc5.d to 
no avail.  I did notice that when i drug the file and linked like that, the 
link is missing the S01, S02, etc. tags at the beginning of the actual link 
like others in those directories.  Is this something that Mandrake should 
add? I'm unclear on that issue as I just got everything all honky-dory on 
my machine with a brand new apache 1.3.20-php 4.0.6-mysql 3.23.41 install 
and don't want to have to start over and recompile, etcblah, blah, blah.

Thanks again.

At 08:33 PM 9/5/2001, you wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format...
>
>=_999758021-7607-1676
>
> > Hello, been lurking a bit and had a question that the gurus can help me
> > with.  I recently installed MySQL from source code and thusly, didn't get
> > everything entered automagically into my etc/rc.d/init.d folder for
> > execution at bootup.  I copied the  mysql.server file into init.d and ran
> > the command in start and stop to verify it worked, which it did.  My
> > problem is...how do I get it to autostart on reboot?  I tried rebooting to
> > test it and no go.  I'm sure it has to do with the other rc.1, etc.
> > folders, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it.
>
>Depends on whether you boot runlevel 3 or 5.
>You need a symlink in /etc/init.d/rc3.d or /etc/init.d/rc5.d for it to run
>automatically. (Names of dirs may be off, not at my linux box at the moment)
>
>Paul
>
>
>
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RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?

[Jose M. Sanchez]

Where did you look all of this up?

-JMS
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|Dhanapalan
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|Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
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|
|On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:54, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
|> That one is right up there with memorable sayings from CEO's...
|>
|> Another of my favorites was DEC's CEO saying that no one would ever 
|> have or tolerate a computer at home.
|
|"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their 
|home." -- Ken 
|Olson, President, Chairman and Founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977
|
|And, of course, this famous quote:
|
|"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers" -- 
|Thomas J. 
|Watson, Chaiman of IBM, 1943.
|
|And a few more:
|
|"I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating 
|system, and 
|possibly program, of all time. As the successor to DOS, which has over 
|10,000,000 systems in use, it creates incredible opportunities 
|for everyone 
|involved with PCs." -- Bill Gates (from the Foreword to the 
|OS/2 Programmers' 
|Guide)
|
|"Anyone who says you can have a lot of widely dispersed people 
|hack away on a 
|complicated piece of code and avoid total anarchy has never managed a 
|software project." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, 1992, writing to 
|Linus Torvalds.
|
|> Or at SIG-GRAPH, one of the VP's from Evans and Sutherland 
|saying that 
|> PC's would never have enough graphics horsepower to do anything in 
|> real time...
|


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