Re: [newbie] LM8.1 B3

[Mohammed Arafa]

i seem to remember there was an autostart menu in kde 2.1 ..anything u threw
in there would start automatically on the next login
i would like to put kmix in there if i knew how

on a futher note .. my sound seems to come and go ... it seems obvious that
a program is using it but kguard doesnt list any processes that might be
using it.. any hacks to reawake sound when needed?
- Original Message -
From: "Mohammed Arafa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] LM8.1 B3


> as a futher note:
> kde 2.2 seems slow
> i like the hour glass in kicker while u wait for the app to open
> in recommended install, u dont get many applets in kicker and the menu is
> empty .. no programs or anything
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mohammed Arafa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mandrake Newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:09 AM
> Subject: [newbie] LM8.1 B3
>
>
> > 1. sound: cs423x doesnt work from harddrake nor from sndconfig (linus'
> voice
> > only no midi .. was working in lm8.0 from sndconfig)
> > 2. task bar: i dont like the new way of putting all your running
programs
> > (for all 4 desktops)on the task bar in front of u.
> > 2a. konqueror: only one konqueror button, with a pop up menu for the
other
> > instances of konqueror .. not nice
> > 3. cli: no more shutting down the xserver to the cli, supposedly ok but
> what
> > if u need to run a program that could mess up ur x configuration? (as i
> > understand it .sndconfig is/was such a one
> > 4. screensaver: i want my blue screen of death screensaver; i loved it,
> > everybody at work went OoooH!
> > 5. 8.1: noticed a lot of reference to 8.0 every where; set up,
tutorials,
> > etc.
> > 6. logo: is this gonna be the new one?
> >
> > a short personal review of 8.1b3 its only been running 12 hours or so
and
> > havent had a chance to play with it
> >
> > enjoy
> >
> >
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Re: [newbie] Problems configuring network card

[Paul]

> Yeah, just type as root:  ifdown eth0before you dial out to connect with 
> you modem.  Your theory is pretty much right there.  That command will shut 
> down the interface to your nic card.
> 
> As far as configuring your nic card, one needs to know how you connnect: lan, 
> broadband, etc., whether you isp assigns an ip number, and what kind of 
> service:  adsl, cable.  

Perhaps there is also a problem concerning gateway settings. This jumps to
mind.
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Re: [newbie] Problems configuring network card

[s]

Yeah, just type as root:  ifdown eth0before you dial out to connect with 
you modem.  Your theory is pretty much right there.  That command will shut 
down the interface to your nic card.

As far as configuring your nic card, one needs to know how you connnect: lan, 
broadband, etc., whether you isp assigns an ip number, and what kind of 
service:  adsl, cable.  

In either case, you need to get your card recognized and configured.  type as 
root:  cat /proc/pci   (assuming it's a pci card) and see if it shows up.  It 
may only read as a communication device or possibly ethernet controller.
Then you need to load the driver for it, if it's not already.  You can type 
as root:  lsmod to see if it's listed, if you know it.  3c59x, tulip, 
ne2000, natsemi are some of the more commonly used ones.  If it's listed, 
then I would go into netconf to set it up.  Type as root:  netconf.  Then set 
it up.  Again it would depend on how you plan to connect, what kind of 
broadband, etc  If it's not, then you can:  modprobe .
If you tell us what kind of card you have, we might be able to tell you which 
module to use.  MOF, come back with more info and we can help you further.
-s


On Thursday 13 September 2001 12:56 am,  Admin wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Got a problem.  I was trying to configure my nic using the Mandrake Control
> Center - Connection.  I entered the information as best I thought.  I am
> pretty  new at Linux and admitedly  some of it was guess work.  After I
> finished configuring it I rebooted the system.
>
> When I tried to re-establish my connection to the internet via my modem the
> connection was established without any problems.  But now none of my
> internet applicatons are able to access internet locations.  My email
> program is timing out, can't access IRC, and web browser also times out.
>
> I am able to gain full access again, if and only if I physically remove the
> nic from the slot in the computer.  I suspect, once the modem connects with
> the isp, the pc is trying to access the internet via the nic instead of the
> modem.  It is a theory and the only one I have.
>
> With the nic installed, I have tried going back to Mandrake's control
> center, but when I click on the connection icon, it times out after 15
> seconds.  So I can't go back and reconfigure the nic.
>
> Can somebody guide me on how to get back to where I was before I tried to
> configure my nic?  I am very new at this.  I have read some of the
> documentation on configuring network cards, and establishing lan's (my
> ultimate goal) but find many of it to deal in generalities.  I have had the
> system for maybe a couple of weeks and still feel like I am walking blind
> through a mind field.  Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dexter




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Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?

[Steve Maytum]

I'm sorry to offend you. I have only been on this 
list long enough to make a comment about this attack. I don't believe civilised 
people should attack each other wherever they live! You have my apologies for 
any offence caused , please feel free to reply , at least i'll know where i 
stand with you. Regards [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mandrake7 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:46 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [newbie] maybe a 
  revenge?
  
  Maybe you forgot all the attacks of USA to the 
  other countries with no reason just to show to the world how much strong 
  is the USA army, and how many people have die and realy i cant remember 
  someone to give some help or some e-mail with deepest 
  sympathies... you suck
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Steve Maytum 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 
12:44 PM
Subject: [newbie] Off Topic - 
Terrorism!

To all affected people in the USA , or anywhere 
else for that matter , you have my deepest sympathies. May your gods take 
better care of you than the so-called civilised people on this planet! 
Kindest regards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

[newbie] Problems configuring network card

[Admin]

Hello:

Got a problem.  I was trying to configure my nic using the Mandrake Control 
Center - Connection.  I entered the information as best I thought.  I am 
pretty  new at Linux and admitedly  some of it was guess work.  After I 
finished configuring it I rebooted the system.

When I tried to re-establish my connection to the internet via my modem the 
connection was established without any problems.  But now none of my internet 
applicatons are able to access internet locations.  My email program is 
timing out, can't access IRC, and web browser also times out.

I am able to gain full access again, if and only if I physically remove the 
nic from the slot in the computer.  I suspect, once the modem connects with 
the isp, the pc is trying to access the internet via the nic instead of the 
modem.  It is a theory and the only one I have.

With the nic installed, I have tried going back to Mandrake's control center, 
but when I click on the connection icon, it times out after 15 seconds.  So I 
can't go back and reconfigure the nic.

Can somebody guide me on how to get back to where I was before I tried to 
configure my nic?  I am very new at this.  I have read some of the 
documentation on configuring network cards, and establishing lan's (my 
ultimate goal) but find many of it to deal in generalities.  I have had the 
system for maybe a couple of weeks and still feel like I am walking blind 
through a mind field.  Thanks in advance for your help.

Regards,

Dexter



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Re: [newbie] Setting up file and printer sharing.

[Christian Dysthe]

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 17:24, Franki wrote:
| There is an excellent tutorial on samba on mandrakeuser...
|
| I think the url is http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/connect/csamba.html

I looked there but it seems like this is for networking Linux and Windows. I 
only need file and print sharing between two Linux machines. Do I need Samba 
for this, or am I missing something obvious?
|
| That should get you started,, I used it at first and it got me pretty much
| where I wanted...
|


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Re: [newbie] NOTRADAMUS

[David E. Fox]

> At forty-five degrees, the sky will burn,
> Fire approaches the great new city,

People have always been able to stretch something that crackpot
said and point to it after the fact and say - look there's a 
prophecy. But no one has been able to take something he said and
use it to predict an event.

I'd bet it be more interesting if you put it through Emacs's
M-x disassociate. (Now we're back on Linux, right?) :)


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Re: [newbie] USA this and USA that,w here did the newbie list go?

[nathan wainwright]

i aggree with rog,

have some commen sense... linux will still be there...

some of these people have familys that will NEVER be alive again.

-- nathan

>From: Rog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [newbie] USA this and USA that,w here did the newbie list go?
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:17:18 -0400
>
>On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:09:02 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >Considering this is a Linux newbie list and I have managed to delete
> >over 150 email regarding the US TERROR ATTACK can we please drop the
> >subject on this list. some of us do have limited email space which we
> >pay for!
> >
>
>
>How about a little sensitivity for those of us who consider ourselves
>affected by this event?
>
>peace,
>
>Rog
>
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Re: [newbie] USA this and USA that,w here did the newbie list go?

[Matt Greer]

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 23:17, you wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:09:02 +0200, you wrote:
> >Considering this is a Linux newbie list and I have managed to delete
> >over 150 email regarding the US TERROR ATTACK can we please drop the
> >subject on this list. some of us do have limited email space which we
> >pay for!
>
> How about a little sensitivity for those of us who consider ourselves
> affected by this event?

This event is unlike anything in US history. People are going to talk about 
this whether others like it or not.

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Re: [newbie] USA this and USA that,w here did the newbie list go?

[Rog]

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:09:02 +0200, you wrote:

>Considering this is a Linux newbie list and I have managed to delete
>over 150 email regarding the US TERROR ATTACK can we please drop the
>subject on this list. some of us do have limited email space which we
>pay for!
>


How about a little sensitivity for those of us who consider ourselves
affected by this event? 

peace,

Rog



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RE: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA (mr skinky is a kiwi?)

[Franki]

Thats OK ,,

Us aussies may joke about you kiwi's and sheep and stuff..

but I suspect we'd look after you all in the event of something happening,,,
(not that our defenses are anything major on a world scale.)

besides, you are right under us, so anyone wanting to attack you, would have
to go past us anyway,, (unless they come from antartica, which is unlikely)

still you make good points.

I believe the swiss (I think its the swiss anyway,,,) are the only REAL
democracy in the world. the politions don't get to do anything unless
the people pass it... and the people say yes or no... and the people can
make their own suggestions as well...  its really very good...


rgds

Frank



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of skinky
Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2001 8:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sridhar Dhanapalan
Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA


On Thursday 13 September 2001 00:36, you wrote:

> That's the point I'm trying to make. However, the government is elected
> by the people, for the people. If we can actually get the American
> populace to actually _think_ about what is going on here, they will
> hopefully realise that _they_ are the ones who can stop this. For
> example, they could vote for somebody more globally responsible at the
> next election.


Sridhar, I only wish that it _could_ be possible to vote into Parliament
some decent politicians.  I lilve in New Zealand and I've never voted for
the Labour Party.  As you are most likely aware, our current Government is
Labour and they have been in power many times.  I have not seen one
*decent* candidate for _any_ party (or one that I consider fit to
represent our people) run for parliament at any election!  It seems to me
that we have no choice but to pick the best of a bad bunch (maybe *bad* is
not the correct word here).

So please be aware that not all Americans voted for President Bush.  Its a
bit like the Linux vs Windows scenario: _we_ know which OS is superior,
but what we have no say on what _others_ choose.  Tho we try our best  to
educate them ;-)

This attack on the US brings to mind our current govt's anti-nuclear
stand.  I for one, and many others feel the same, would far rather have
the backup from the likes of Australia and the US in the event of an
attack against NZ.  However, our Prime Minister sees fit to give up our
national security regardless of what the "people" have to say.  She also
drastically reduced funding for our national defense, which by the way, is
pathetic and almost non-existent.  Perhaps you may see this as being
"globally responsible" but in my opionion she made the wrong decision and
would most likely be the first to cry for help should the occasion ever
arise.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not the war-crazed, blood-thirsty type but I sure
feel vulnerable when I think of the crazy greed in this world.  Although
it is unlikely (I hope) that NZ would be compromised in the near future,
we cannot forget that other countries (ie. Japan and Germany) have given
thought to taking over NZ in the past .

Jeez I'm glad we're well away from other countries (apart from Aussie that
is)  ;-)

skinky

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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Rich Buckner]

Mr. Dhanapalan:

I have read most if not all of your posts on this topic, and disagree with 
the vast bulk of what you say.  The post to which I am responding, however, 
reflects such a far too short-sighted view of history 
that the temptation to respond is irresistible.

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 06:38 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:

[snip]
>
> Umm... Have you actually read or seen what's _really_ going on? By this, I
> mean from _credible_ sources like good historians and theorists (e.g. Wade,
> Johnson, Vogel, etc.), not the mass-media, which is notorious for its
> oversimplification of facts. It appears that YOU are the victim of
> mis-representations and hearsay. How can you expect to be truly objective
> when you _live_ in the country? This is simply impossible, because of
> factors like emotional attachments, habits and teachings (e.g. from schools
> and the media). The same would go for any nation that one is attached to. I
> don't expect to be able to be objective about my country, because I like
> it.

No one is "truly objective."  Everyone has biases that affect their thoughts 
and reasoning.  Is a non-resident of the US who hates the US necessarily more 
unbiased than a US resident who loves his country?  No, not necessarily.  
Your posts reflect your biases.  This post no doubt reflects mine.  The fact 
that I have biases (or that the poster to whom you were replying above has 
biases) does not inevitably mean that the point of view I express is wrong, 
that the point of view the previous poster expressed is wrong, or that your 
point of view is incorrect.
>
[snip]
>
> Not so. Your approach is very un-scientific indeed. 
>
[snip]

Any analysis of historic trends, causes, and effects is by its very nature 
"un-scientific" because any such analysis ultimately amounts to an expression 
of the analyst's opinion.  Your posts are full of subjective, qualitative 
views about whether the US is good or bad, how much harm it has caused, and 
the like.  Those opinions, with which I disagree with strongly, may be 
honestly held, but they remain "un-scientific" opinions.

>
[snip]
> Your inflexibility and lack of receptibility to different ideas and
> viewpoints is worrisome. If you read academic political papers over the
> years, you will notice how attitudes and views change with time, as
> situations change and new evidence and theories come to light. The world is
> ever-changing, not static. You need to try to evolve with this or risk
> falling behind and being cast aside as an old relic. Many older people I
> meet tend to be "Cold Warriors", that is those who are stuck in the old
> Cold War mentality that communism is all evil and that the USA is the
> bastion of world democracy and hence is all good. Could you be one of those
> Cold Warriors, Jose? Here's a wake-up call: nothing is perfect. Since the
> end of the Cold War, people have been noticing the widening cracks in the
> armour of the Anglo-American neoliberal system, which for so long had
> remained stable due to the constant communist threat.

You seem to imply that one can read "academic political papers" and that 
those papers somehow establish the "right" answer about whether the US is 
good or bad, and that events predating the Cold War are now irrelevant to a 
qualitative evaluation of the US.  I think you are clearly wrong on both 
points.

First, "academic political papers" reflect nothing more than the opinions of 
their authors.  As a colleague of mine likes to say "opinions are like 
a$$holes, everybody has one."  I daresay that, if I wanted to spend the time, 
I could find "academic" papers that would support almost any view, even views 
that are later shown to be demonstrably wrong.  After all, the head of the US 
Patent Office in the early 1900s expressed the view that everything that 
could be invented had by that time already been invented, and Bill Gates 
thought that 64k (not 64m) of memory "ought to be enough for anyone."  

Second, I don't think any reasoned, or reasonable, evaluation of the US's 
conduct in the past several decades can be made without considering the 
forces that dictated and drove US foreign policy both before and during that 
time.

You are absolutely right that the US government made some horribly bad 
decisions about who to back in a number of countries over the last several 
decades.  In some cases, I believe the US government was simply fooled by 
those they ultimately backed.  After all, when Castro displaced the prior 
government in Cuba, he was initially hailed as a  hero in the US.  When he 
made known his preference for what he called Communism, the US views changed 
dramatically.  In any event, you are also absolutely correct that the US 
sometimes backed very bad people simply because the US thought it would be 
helpful in the global struggle with Communism.  But I think you ought to 
consider how US views on Communism were formed, and why the US regarded 
resisting its spread as imperat

Re: [newbie] Attention for everybody

[Greg G]

no it is not the city of god

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[newbie] USA this and USA that,w here did the newbie list go?

[Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)]

Considering this is a Linux newbie list and I have managed to delete
over 150 email regarding the US TERROR ATTACK can we please drop the
subject on this list. some of us do have limited email space which we
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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[Moses Backman III]

i don't know where you are from, but i was born in NYC lived on Long Island 
for many years.  That's my fucking home that burns and crumbles to the 
ground.  maybe you're pissed because your vote didn't win the election.  Hell 
i didn't vote for Bush either.  but i know one thing.  this is the greatest 
country in the world.  if you don't like it here, get the hell out.  maybe if 
your loved ones were falling or jumping out of a 92nd story window, you'd 
forget about what you don't think should go on in Texas and start worrying 
about your freedoms and right to life.

in this country, we take it for granted that when we walk down a street in 
our city (or main street) that the car we pass is not a weapon that will blow 
up as we pass.  i believe in everyone's right to life and pursuit of 
religion, however, when you bring your ass to my house, you're gonna play by 
my rules.

As I write this e-mail, I sit in a Philadelphia suburb listening to the roar 
of Fighter Planes passing overhead.

God bless America and the soldiers who will die.  



On Wednesday 12 September 2001 04:59 am, KL, Kiran wrote:
> Hey Sridhar,
>   He is not my President. I don't belong to US. What ever may be the
> reason, killing of innocent people is wrong. Whether it done by American
> government or any other terrorist organization.  I think you are over
> reacting to this a little bit. Think in a humanitarian way and you will
> realize the gravity of the situation.
>
> - kiran
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   Sridhar Dhanapalan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:22 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:30:48 +0500, "KL, Kiran"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > wrote:
> > >   This is the most atrocious thing that could have happened. This
> > > surely is a cowardly act on the part of those who committed the act.
> > >  As president Bush says, the guilty should not be spared.
> >
> > Your "president Bush" is responsible for the deaths of many hundreds of
> > people,
> > as the former Governor of Texas. As the President of the United States,
> > he is
> > responsible for the deaths and suffering of many millons worldwide. "The
> > guilty
> > should not be spared".
> >
> > Once again, I am not trying to be anti-American here. I am merely trying
> > to get
> > people to look at themselves before they condemn others. These are
> > governments
> > that Americans have elected. The American people have the power to stop
> > this
> > horror, yet they do not exercise it. Are you any better than the
> > 'terrorists'?
> >
> > >   -- kiran
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From:   nathan wainwright [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent:   Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:48 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject:Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> > > >
> > > > one thing is, if i am needed i will defend my country (cdn), and
> >
> > anyone
> >
> > > > elses from these bastards...
> > > >
> > > > sorry all, but when every anyone does something like this i hate them
> > > >
> > > > more so for childeren that had noe even started their lifes
> > > >
> > > > -- nathan
> > > >
> > > > >From: jennifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],"nathan wainwright"
> > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> > > > >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:16:32 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >Yes, i hear you about being scared...I'm from boston and was
> >
> > evacuated
> >
> > > > >today
> > > > >from work. I just hope that fear does not drive us to succomb to the
> >
> > same
> >
> > > > >hatred that has been bestowed upon us today. This is a delicate
> > > >
> > > > situation.
> > > >
> > > > >I
> > > > >truely hope that it was a terrorist group and not a nation that
> >
> > attacked
> >
> > > > >us.
> > > > >I certainly don't want friends or family to have to go to war over
> >
> > this.
> >
> > > > We
> > > >
> > > > >have enough sadness to deal with.
> > > > >
> > > > >I think the best thing we can do is recover as quickly as possible.
> >
> > Send
> >
> > > > >the
> > > > >message that we are stronger than they are...morally an spiritually.
> >
> > If
> >
> > > > we
> > > >
> > > > >stay together as a nation, justice will prevail. This has certainly
> > > > >reminded
> > > > >me to value America and renewed my national pride.
> > > > >
> > > > >Ans thank you to all the people on this list from all nations who
> >
> > have
> >
> > > > >shown
> > > > >support for us whether we were personally affected or not.
> > > > >
> > > > >On Tuesday 11 September 2001 23:50, nathan wainwright wrote:
> > > > > > i now i added once.. im canadian.. and i am scared, and sorry for
> > > > > > everything that happend for the man that talked to his wife
> > > > > > before
> >
> > she
> >
> > > > > > died... to all the chi

RE: [newbie] tcp port blackjack found open?

[Maurice Vold]

Yeah, yeah.  I have played with Linux on and off over the years and am
finally getting pissed at MS.  One big reason for the cert is where I work
is a MS shop (almost everything is MS, IBM, and CA [which I hate more than
MS for the record]) and the other reason was the raise that went with
it..

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein

Maurice Vold
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
Corporate Information Services
City of Saskatoon
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lanman
Sent: September 11, 2001 10:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] tcp port blackjack found open?


Ahhh, now you've gone and done it, Maurice! Here we had a whole bunch of
respect for you, and you had to mention that MCSE thing on your signature!
Grin! Grin!

Lanman
IT Manager
City which is one of the suburbs of Montreal, which shall remain nameless,
but runs TOTALLY on Linux, and runs quite well, thank-you!

Je m'excuse monsieur, m'ai ton port est ouvert!

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 12:28 am, you wrote:
> This port is also open on my Windows 2000 Pro.  It is firewalled so I have
> no idea what it was trying to talk to.  I do not have Yahoo instant
> messenger installed but I do have MSN and ICQ, although they do not run on
> a regular basis.
>
> "Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein
>
> Maurice Vold
> Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
> Corporate Information Services
> City of Saskatoon
> Work Web Page: http://www.city.saskatoon.sk.ca
> Family Web Page:
> http://communities.msn.ca/CathieMauriceandJulianna/homepage Work Phone:
> 306-975-8145
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jennifer
> Sent: September 11, 2001 9:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ben Bayer
> Subject: Re: [newbie] tcp port blackjack found open?
>
>
> Well, I *think* that port 5000, not 6000 and "blackjack" are a result of
> the yahoo insant messanger games network. From my investigations port 5000
> is labeled as network chess and always seems open when one is using yahoo
> IM along with their online games network.
>
> This isn't neccesarily correct, just all I could come up with using Nmap,
> www.iana.org's port list and a few web searches on google.
>
> On Tuesday 11 September 2001 22:52, Ben Bayer wrote:
> > Blackjack is the yahoo instant messenger then?  What a relief.  It
> > sounded sinister.  Thought I might have had a virus or something.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > On Monday 10 September 2001 10:25 pm, you wrote:
> > > Do you use yahoo instant messanger?
> > >
> > > On Sunday 09 September 2001 10:08, Ben Bayer wrote:
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I found these ports open this morning:
> > > >
> > > > tcp port 1024, blackjack, 6000, ssh
> > > > udp port router, xdmcp
> > > >
> > > > What is blackjack?  Should this port be open after setting my
machine
> > > > up for high (server-level) security, and setting up tinyfirewall to
> > > > close everything but ssh ports?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > >
> > > 
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="message.footer"
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> > > Content-Description:
> > > 
> >
> > 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="message.footer"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> > Content-Description:
> > 
>
> 
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> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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>
> --
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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[jennifer]

No..thank you...all of you out there who offer your sympathy and support. At 
the risk of sounding ethocentric, we are the victims here.  I think its time 
to give up the political nit pickings and rememeber those who are dead.  



On Wednesday 12 September 2001 17:01, s wrote:
> Thank you for this.  One get a little weary constantly hearing how they are
> the bad guys.
> -s
>
> On Wednesday 12 September 2001 03:37 pm,  jennifer wrote:
> > >This, from a Canadian newspaper, no less, is worth
> >
> > sharing.
> >
> > >America: The Good Neighbor.
> > >
> > >
> > >Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
> > >recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
> > >Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
> > >commentator. What follows is the full text of his
> > >trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
> > >Record:
> > >
> > >
> > >"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
> > >Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
> > >
> > >appreciated people on all the earth.
> > >
> > >
> > >Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
> > >Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
> > >Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
> > >forgave other billions in debts. None of these
> > >countries is today paying even the interest on its
> > >remaining debts to the United States.
> > >
> > >
> > >When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it
> > >was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward
> > >
> > >was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of
> > >Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> > >
> > >
> > >When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
> > >
> > >States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
> > >American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
> > >Nobody helped.
> > >
> > >
> > >The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
> > >billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now
> > >newspapers in those countries are writing about the
> > >decadent, warmongering Americans.
> > >
> > >
> > >I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
> > >gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar
> > >
> > >build its own airplane. Does any other country in the
> > >
> > >world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
> > >
> > >Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why
> > >don't they fly them? Why do all the International
> > >lines except Russia fly American Planes?
> > >
> > >
> > >Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
> > >
> > >a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
> > >technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about
> >
> > German
> >
> > >technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
> > >American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -
> > >not once, but several times and safely home again.
> > >
> > >
> > >You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
> > >
> > >right in the store window for everybody to look at.
> > >Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
> > >
> > >They are here on our streets, and most of them,
> >
> > unless
> >
> > >they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
> > >
> > >dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
> > >
> > >
> > >When the railways of France, Germany and India were
> > >breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
> > >rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
> > >New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
> > >old caboose. Both are still broke.
> > >
> > >
> > >I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to
> > >
> > >the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me
> > >even one time when someone else raced to the
> >
> > Americans
> >
> > >in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
> > >
> > >during the San Francisco earthquake.
> > >
> > >
> > >Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
> > >Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
> > >kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
> > >their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
> > >to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
> > >over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one
> > >
> > >of those."


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RE: [newbie] tcp port blackjack found open?

[Maurice Vold]

I have it blocked with my Firewall so I am not to worried.  Everything seems
to be working fine.  Maybe I will block that port in the advanced settings
(never thought of trying that).

I will let you know if anything breaks.

Thanks.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein

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-Original Message-
From: jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: September 11, 2001 10:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Maurice Vold
Subject: Re: [newbie] tcp port blackjack found open?


Would a Netstat command show whats trying to talk to what? maybe block those
ports in the the advanced properties in networking in the security tab. (I
dnon't have my windows machine up so i can't give specific instructions...)
then you you see what doesn't work and trace it back to that.

I wish there were a better port list out there. I am curious...maybe its a
general intant messanger port. That still leaves the blackjack thing as a
open issue thou.


On Wednesday 12 September 2001 00:28, Maurice Vold wrote:
> This port is also open on my Windows 2000 Pro.  It is firewalled so I have
> no idea what it was trying to talk to.  I do not have Yahoo instant
> messenger installed but I do have MSN and ICQ, although they do not run on
> a regular basis.
>
> "Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein
>
> Maurice Vold
> Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
> Corporate Information Services
> City of Saskatoon
> Work Web Page: http://www.city.saskatoon.sk.ca
> Family Web Page:
> http://communities.msn.ca/CathieMauriceandJulianna/homepage Work Phone:
> 306-975-8145
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jennifer
> Sent: September 11, 2001 9:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ben Bayer
> Subject: Re: [newbie] tcp port blackjack found open?
>
>
> Well, I *think* that port 5000, not 6000 and "blackjack" are a result of
> the yahoo insant messanger games network. From my investigations port 5000
> is labeled as network chess and always seems open when one is using yahoo
> IM along with their online games network.
>
> This isn't neccesarily correct, just all I could come up with using Nmap,
> www.iana.org's port list and a few web searches on google.
>
> On Tuesday 11 September 2001 22:52, Ben Bayer wrote:
> > Blackjack is the yahoo instant messenger then?  What a relief.  It
> > sounded sinister.  Thought I might have had a virus or something.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > On Monday 10 September 2001 10:25 pm, you wrote:
> > > Do you use yahoo instant messanger?
> > >
> > > On Sunday 09 September 2001 10:08, Ben Bayer wrote:
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I found these ports open this morning:
> > > >
> > > > tcp port 1024, blackjack, 6000, ssh
> > > > udp port router, xdmcp
> > > >
> > > > What is blackjack?  Should this port be open after setting my
machine
> > > > up for high (server-level) security, and setting up tinyfirewall to
> > > > close everything but ssh ports?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > >
> > > 
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="message.footer"
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> > > Content-Description:
> > > 
> >
> > 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="message.footer"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> > Content-Description:
> > 
>
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="message.footer"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> Content-Description:
> 
>
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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[skinky]

On Thursday 13 September 2001 00:36, you wrote:

> That's the point I'm trying to make. However, the government is elected
> by the people, for the people. If we can actually get the American
> populace to actually _think_ about what is going on here, they will
> hopefully realise that _they_ are the ones who can stop this. For
> example, they could vote for somebody more globally responsible at the
> next election.


Sridhar, I only wish that it _could_ be possible to vote into Parliament 
some decent politicians.  I lilve in New Zealand and I've never voted for 
the Labour Party.  As you are most likely aware, our current Government is 
Labour and they have been in power many times.  I have not seen one 
*decent* candidate for _any_ party (or one that I consider fit to 
represent our people) run for parliament at any election!  It seems to me 
that we have no choice but to pick the best of a bad bunch (maybe *bad* is 
not the correct word here).  

So please be aware that not all Americans voted for President Bush.  Its a 
bit like the Linux vs Windows scenario: _we_ know which OS is superior, 
but what we have no say on what _others_ choose.  Tho we try our best  to 
educate them ;-)

This attack on the US brings to mind our current govt's anti-nuclear 
stand.  I for one, and many others feel the same, would far rather have 
the backup from the likes of Australia and the US in the event of an 
attack against NZ.  However, our Prime Minister sees fit to give up our 
national security regardless of what the "people" have to say.  She also 
drastically reduced funding for our national defense, which by the way, is 
pathetic and almost non-existent.  Perhaps you may see this as being 
"globally responsible" but in my opionion she made the wrong decision and 
would most likely be the first to cry for help should the occasion ever 
arise.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not the war-crazed, blood-thirsty type but I sure 
feel vulnerable when I think of the crazy greed in this world.  Although 
it is unlikely (I hope) that NZ would be compromised in the near future, 
we cannot forget that other countries (ie. Japan and Germany) have given 
thought to taking over NZ in the past .

Jeez I'm glad we're well away from other countries (apart from Aussie that 
is)  ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Attention for everybody

[Stan Lockaby]

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 06:19 am, you wrote:
> "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two
> brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress
> endures, the great leader will succumb" , "The third
> big war will begin when the big city is burning" -
> Nostradamus 1654


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RE: [newbie] How to avoid a "sound queue"

[FLYNN, Steve]

Have you been playing with your sendmail configuration Christian? I got a
bounce message from dysthe.net earlier this evening which had lots of
localhost.localdomain stuff in it, which makes me think something isn't
right with your set-up, especially as it bounced due to you userid not
existing!

Sent to the list and Christian direct.

Steve Flynn
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Sent:   Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:53 PM
To: Mandrake Newbie
Subject:[newbie] How to avoid a "sound queue"

Hi,

I have my e-mail client set to play a sound when mail is received.
This is 
done using the "play soundfile &" command. The problem is that if I
have 
another program running using the sound card, i.e. RealPlayer or
xmms, sounds 
from the mail client is lined up and all of them are played as soon
as I exit 
the other program. I then get an "endless" line of "you've got mail"
sounds 
played. Quite annoying.

How could I fix this?

TIA

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RE: [newbie] Setting up file and printer sharing.

[Franki]

There is an excellent tutorial on samba on mandrakeuser...

I think the url is http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/connect/csamba.html

That should get you started,, I used it at first and it got me pretty much
where I wanted...

give it a go..

rgds

frank

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Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2001 5:31 AM
To: Mandrake Newbie
Subject: [newbie] Setting up file and printer sharing.


Hi,

I have gotten Mandrake 8.0 installed on both my laptop and my desktop
computer. These are connected through a broadband router to the Internet.
This works fine using DHCP. I can come to work, connect my laptop and
everything works fine.

Now I would like to set up file and printer sharing between these two
computers, and wonderend if someone could point me in the right direction. I
have my printer installed using cups on the desktop box.  I have never set
these things up on Linux before, and wondered how to go about it. Do I use
linuxconf, samba or...? Do I have to give the machines names? If so, how?
Since I am not on a domain I am unsure how to set this up.

TIA for help

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[newbie] Setting up file and printer sharing.

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

I have gotten Mandrake 8.0 installed on both my laptop and my desktop 
computer. These are connected through a broadband router to the Internet. 
This works fine using DHCP. I can come to work, connect my laptop and 
everything works fine. 

Now I would like to set up file and printer sharing between these two 
computers, and wonderend if someone could point me in the right direction. I 
have my printer installed using cups on the desktop box.  I have never set 
these things up on Linux before, and wondered how to go about it. Do I use 
linuxconf, samba or...? Do I have to give the machines names? If so, how? 
Since I am not on a domain I am unsure how to set this up.

TIA for help

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[newbie] NOTRADAMUS

[Naish]

> "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn
>  apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will
>  succumb" , "The third big war will begin when the big city is
> burning"
>
> - Nostradamus 1654
>
> " En la ciudad del Dios habrá un gran trueno, dos hermanos rotos en dos
> por el caos, mientras que la fortaleza aguanta, el
> gran lider sucumbirá ", " la tercera gran guerra comenzará cuando la
> ciudad grande se está quemando "
>
> - Nostradamus 1654

http://www.ed.brocku.ca/~nmarshal/nostradamus.htm


At forty-five degrees, the sky will burn,
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Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up
When they want to have verification from the Norman
(Century VI, Quatrain 97)

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[newbie] NESSUS

[pepe torrres]

i gotan error whebn registerian a user in nessus.. something like the id of 
the user has changed.
but the user is added . later when i try to log in whit this user i got the 
same error..
someone help me please
i got th elast nessus release.

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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[s]

Thank you for this.  One get a little weary constantly hearing how they are 
the bad guys.
-s

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 03:37 pm,  jennifer wrote:
> >This, from a Canadian newspaper, no less, is worth
>
> sharing.
>
> >America: The Good Neighbor.
> >
> >
> >Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
> >recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
> >Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
> >commentator. What follows is the full text of his
> >trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
> >Record:
> >
> >
> >"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
> >Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
> >
> >appreciated people on all the earth.
> >
> >
> >Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
> >Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
> >Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
> >forgave other billions in debts. None of these
> >countries is today paying even the interest on its
> >remaining debts to the United States.
> >
> >
> >When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it
> >was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward
> >
> >was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of
> >Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> >
> >
> >When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
> >
> >States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
> >American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
> >Nobody helped.
> >
> >
> >The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
> >billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now
> >newspapers in those countries are writing about the
> >decadent, warmongering Americans.
> >
> >
> >I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
> >gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar
> >
> >build its own airplane. Does any other country in the
> >
> >world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
> >
> >Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why
> >don't they fly them? Why do all the International
> >lines except Russia fly American Planes?
> >
> >
> >Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
> >
> >a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
> >technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about
>
> German
>
> >technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
> >American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -
> >not once, but several times and safely home again.
> >
> >
> >You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
> >
> >right in the store window for everybody to look at.
> >Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
> >
> >They are here on our streets, and most of them,
>
> unless
>
> >they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
> >
> >dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
> >
> >
> >When the railways of France, Germany and India were
> >breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
> >rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
> >New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
> >old caboose. Both are still broke.
> >
> >
> >I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to
> >
> >the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me
> >even one time when someone else raced to the
>
> Americans
>
> >in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
> >
> >during the San Francisco earthquake.
> >
> >
> >Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
> >Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
> >kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
> >their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
> >to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
> >over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one
> >
> >of those."




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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[jennifer]

>This, from a Canadian newspaper, no less, is worth
sharing. 
> 
> 
>America: The Good Neighbor. 
> 
> 
>Widespread but only partial news coverage was given 
>recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from 
>Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television 
>commentator. What follows is the full text of his 
>trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional 
>Record: 
> 
> 
>"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the 
>Americans as the most generous and possibly the least

>appreciated people on all the earth. 
> 
> 
>Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and 
>Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the 
>Americans who poured in billions of dollars and 
>forgave other billions in debts. None of these 
>countries is today paying even the interest on its 
>remaining debts to the United States. 
> 
> 
>When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it 
>was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward

>was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of 
>Paris. I was there. I saw it. 
> 
> 
>When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United

>States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 
>American communities were flattened by tornadoes. 
>Nobody helped. 
> 
> 
>The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped 
>billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now 
>newspapers in those countries are writing about the 
>decadent, warmongering Americans. 
> 
> 
>I'd like to see just one of those countries that is 
>gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar

>build its own airplane. Does any other country in the

>world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the

>Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why 
>don't they fly them? Why do all the International 
>lines except Russia fly American Planes? 
> 
> 
>Why does no other land on earth even consider putting

>a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese 
>technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about
German 
>technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about 
>American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - 
>not once, but several times and safely home again. 
> 
> 
>You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs

>right in the store window for everybody to look at. 
>Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.

>They are here on our streets, and most of them,
unless 
>they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American

>dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. 
> 
> 
>When the railways of France, Germany and India were 
>breaking down through age, it was the Americans who 
>rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the 
>New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an 
>old caboose. Both are still broke. 
> 
> 
>I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to

>the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me 
>even one time when someone else raced to the
Americans 
>in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even

>during the San Francisco earthquake. 
> 
> 
>Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one 
>Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get 
>kicked around. They will come out of this thing with 
>their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled 
>to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating 
>over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one

>of those." 
--- etharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I sware I do NOT have the power to stop any of this.
> We did NOT elect this 
> president. I am no more to blame for the things the
> Bush family has 
> perpetuated on the world than the farmer in the
> field in Afganistan, only 
> trying to feed his family. I have even elected to
> take my own personal "vow 
> of poverty" to not accept anything that may have
> been "ill gotten" by my 
> people. I am more than willing to remember and
> apologize for the genocide of 
> American Idians, (and if reparations are to be
> considered, I would say that 
> both White and Black Americans MUST put the
> indeginis people who's land we 
> stole and whom the US goverment perpetuated
> Gernocide against FIRST. Then we 
> can Apologize for the lesser crime of Slavery. (and
> while I do not thinks 
> slavery is a small crime, I believe most folks would
> consider Genocide worse.)
> 
> > > that Americans have elected. The American people
> have the power to stop
> > > this
> > > horror, yet they do not exercise it. 
> Maybe you could expound on how we could stop it, I
> am ALL ears.
> 
> 
> Are you any better than the
> > > 'terrorists'?
> > >
> > > > -- kiran
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: nathan wainwright
> [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:48 AM
> > > > > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject:  Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in
> USA
> > > > >
> > > > > one thing is, if i am needed i will defend
> my country (cdn), and
> > >
> > > anyone
> > >
> > > > > elses from these bastards...
> > > > >
> > > > > sorry all, but when every anyo

[newbie] Amiga 2 Linux

[David]

hi
I have a lot of  large files I would like to be able to get off my ,now  
dying Amiga. All of the files are on a normal 3.5" hdd which has been 
formatted with usual FFS (fast file format).
Someone said i can put this drive onto my Linux PC as linux supports this if 
the kernel is compiled or the module loaded for it.
As I know nothing about compiling kernels etc, is there another way to load 
the module required or is there another way I can use like a serial cable.
If so how can it be done ??
cheerz
David  



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[newbie] Backward Compatability

[Charles A Punch]

I lost my backward compatability rpm. It's the one that makes Word
Perfect8 (and other progs as well, I believe) work on newer versions of
Linux. Can't remeber the exact name (*.i386.rpm. something something).
If anyone can direct me to the rpm, I would be very grateful. Thanx in
advance.

ShalomOut
  Chal

Elder PCUSA
Registered Linux user #217118



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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[etharp]

I sware I do NOT have the power to stop any of this. We did NOT elect this 
president. I am no more to blame for the things the Bush family has 
perpetuated on the world than the farmer in the field in Afganistan, only 
trying to feed his family. I have even elected to take my own personal "vow 
of poverty" to not accept anything that may have been "ill gotten" by my 
people. I am more than willing to remember and apologize for the genocide of 
American Idians, (and if reparations are to be considered, I would say that 
both White and Black Americans MUST put the indeginis people who's land we 
stole and whom the US goverment perpetuated Gernocide against FIRST. Then we 
can Apologize for the lesser crime of Slavery. (and while I do not thinks 
slavery is a small crime, I believe most folks would consider Genocide worse.)

> > that Americans have elected. The American people have the power to stop
> > this
> > horror, yet they do not exercise it. 
Maybe you could expound on how we could stop it, I am ALL ears.


Are you any better than the
> > 'terrorists'?
> >
> > >   -- kiran
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From:   nathan wainwright [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent:   Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:48 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject:Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> > > >
> > > > one thing is, if i am needed i will defend my country (cdn), and
> >
> > anyone
> >
> > > > elses from these bastards...
> > > >
> > > > sorry all, but when every anyone does something like this i hate them
> > > >
> > > > more so for childeren that had noe even started their lifes
> > > >
> > > > -- nathan
> > > >
> > > > >From: jennifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],"nathan wainwright"
> > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> > > > >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:16:32 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >Yes, i hear you about being scared...I'm from boston and was
> >
> > evacuated
> >
> > > > >today
> > > > >from work. I just hope that fear does not drive us to succomb to the
> >
> > same
> >
> > > > >hatred that has been bestowed upon us today. This is a delicate
> > > >
> > > > situation.
> > > >
> > > > >I
> > > > >truely hope that it was a terrorist group and not a nation that
> >
> > attacked
> >
> > > > >us.
> > > > >I certainly don't want friends or family to have to go to war over
> >
> > this.
> >
> > > > We
> > > >
> > > > >have enough sadness to deal with.
> > > > >
> > > > >I think the best thing we can do is recover as quickly as possible.
> >
> > Send
> >
> > > > >the
> > > > >message that we are stronger than they are...morally an spiritually.
> >
> > If
> >
> > > > we
> > > >
> > > > >stay together as a nation, justice will prevail. This has certainly
> > > > >reminded
> > > > >me to value America and renewed my national pride.
> > > > >
> > > > >Ans thank you to all the people on this list from all nations who
> >
> > have
> >
> > > > >shown
> > > > >support for us whether we were personally affected or not.
> > > > >
> > > > >On Tuesday 11 September 2001 23:50, nathan wainwright wrote:
> > > > > > i now i added once.. im canadian.. and i am scared, and sorry for
> > > > > > everything that happend for the man that talked to his wife
> > > > > > before
> >
> > she
> >
> > > > > > died... to all the childeren that are dead, and the others that
> > > > > > no
> > > > >
> > > > >longer
> > > > >
> > > > > > have parents...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i want those bastards to pay dearly for what they did,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ill keep it simple
> > > > > >
> > > > > > President bush... go nuts
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- nathan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Lanman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> > > > > > >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:48:14 -0400
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Jon; Good sense is never "Off Topic". Tell your sister that
> > > > > > > we're
> > > > >
> > > > >rooting
> > > > >
> > > > > > >for
> > > > > > >the quick return of her husband. Absolutley right by the way.
> >
> > Save
> >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > > > ones that can be saved, bury the dead and mourn their loss,
> > > > > > > then
> > > >
> > > > find
> > > >
> > > > >the
> > > > >
> > > > > > > ones responsible. I'd like to think that "Punish" is a far
> >
> > lighter
> >
> > > > >term
> > > > >
> > > > > > > than most
> > > > > > >of us would use, but you've got the right idea.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Lanman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >On Tuesday 11 September 2001 09:45 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > Firstly I would just like to say that my prayers go out to
> > > > > > > > all
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > > > >families
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > on this dark day in America.
> > > > > > > > I don't personally know anyone that was injured toda

RE: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA Chillout will ya both ??? :-)

[Franki]

Look, you are both discussing a moot point,


Facts.

1. It is not in the power of this list or anyone on it. to change the course
of action about to  be undertaken.
2. It doesn't matter why it was done, or weather the people who did it think
they are heros
THINK LOGICALLY!!!  nobody for whatever reason, be it the US or anyone else,
can really expect
anyone to believe that killing 10,000 innocient people is "doing the right
thing" and furthering their cause.
3. The people who did this, must have known that the USDF would come after
them or at least try to,
(hence my feeling that the trail of evidence they are finding is fake...(ie,
why take lugage on a suicide flight?))
4. How can a terrorist campaign work, if the people who did it, don't claim
it  it might as well be
10,000 car accidents for all it means. (There is no possible victory, if the
defeated nation doesn't know to
whom or what they are capitulating...)

PUT simply, Show me a people, anywhere in the world who deserve to be free,
that think killing thousands of innociant people (ANYWHERE, not just the US)
furthers their cause and is a holy task... regardless of the reason...

If you use that theory, then consider this, using that logic, that killing
ordinary people helps, then the USA could use that same theory to nuke
afganistan it would very likely kill the terrorists... and they get to
heaven as a result... an all around win yes??? (that was sarcasm people,,, )

The muslim religion does not promote this,,, it is simple fanatisism.

There is no reason to attack innociant people, if the attack had been
against US army/airforce ect,, then it would be considered war and par for
the course...

When the US kills harmless bystanders, they suck, when anyone else does,
they suck too.

It doesn't matter anymore what happens in the past, we are supposed to learn
from it,,

the fact that we don't tells me more about the human race they I really
wanted to know.

My summary is that the greatest truth, was spoken by arnie in Terminator II
to the boy when the boy said "we're not going to make it are we? (speaking
about the human race) and arnie responds by saying something to the effect
that its in the humans nature to destroy each other

We don't learn war is one thing, terrorism is another entirely, neither
are right, but one is a horrific travesty, regardless of the reason or the
countries involved.


rgds

Frank




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2001 12:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK


On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:27:55 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> As I said, you are the consummate voice of inexperience and youth...

In these matters, predetermined views and experience can be more of a
hindrance
than a help. I was given a standard Western neoliberal education at school.
However, when I started doing government and international relations, I
found
that these views did not fit in well at all with non-Western nations (i.e.
most
of the world). I had to un-learn these neoliberal teachings in order to
understand different cultures and societies (kind of like how a newbie
should
un-learn their Windows knowledge if they want to leant GNU/Linux well) and
to
look at them objectively (i.e. not look at them through a Western lens,
which is
a _very_ easy trap to fall into). Consequently, I gained new understanding
and
knowledge on most of the world (something which neoliberal teachings
_cannot_
do), and acquired fresh perspectives on what I had learnt previously. There
_is_
more than one way to look at things, and it is only when you can do this
that
you can really _understand_ something (I'm not saying that I truly
understand
everything, but I tend to do so better than most people, because of this).

The same applies here. As an American, who is emotionally attached to his
country and who has spent a long period in the neoliberal tradition, you
have
been affected in some way (either consciously or even subconsciously) by
this
incident. At this moment of time, at least, it is difficult for you to be
objective about things. The general attitude of Americans on online fora
such as
this list is one of shock, anger and vengeance. This is perfectly
understandable, given the circumstances. However, one cannot keep one's head
in
the sand for too long. There is almost _never_ one view. One of the first
things
you learn when you study the social sciences is that monocausal factors are
very
rare indeed.

> What are you about 22-26?

Nineteen :-)

Age obviously is not everything. The best international relations lecturer I
ever had is still in her twenties, and she knows a _lot_ (she's got a phD,
written a few books, etc.). As I mentioned above, too much experience in a
field
such as this can put you at risk of becoming a dinosaur, unless you evolve
a

Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[etharp]

my first thought was that they had played a "little too much" with M$flight 
sim, since when I get bored with it I too fly into the wtc to crash and get 
out of the game. a few too many hours with M$ Flight sim, and they would not 
have that much trouble spotting the target and knowing how to fly (not land 
or takeoff mind you) a passenger Jet. 
> >   I disagree. People hate us because we are successful. (microsoft comes
> > to mind)




 My thoughts are that the US needs to
> > obliterate a few countries to get the point across that we will not
> > tolerate this type behavior against ourselves or our allies. (assuming we
> > actually have any)

and that sure did end the problem with Iraq didn't it? no? you mean Ben-Laden 
is mad that we did not get out of Sudi-Arabia after we wooped ass on Iraq 
(and isn't it intersting that IRQ problems have the same constanates and 
IRaQ? and most the hardware problem I run inot are cuased by IRQs? is 
co-inky-dink? I think not.


> This is yet another stereotype that I had expected. Why are Americans, on
> the whole, so belligerent? Serving a military career appears to be the best
> way to get into government in the USA. With presidents like Eisenhower (who
> was a general) and Bush (Snr, who held a high position in the CIA), it is
> no surprise that US foreign policy has been so confrontational during the
> past fifty years. What scares me most is that people actually _vote_ for
> these guys and not for somebody who is more responsible.
>
> I am being a realist here. If world leaders were as emotional as you are
> here we would have wiped each other out through a global war. I said that I
> sympathise with the victims' families, and that I don't condone such
> violence. I stand by that. However, is 10,000 dead people really that many,
> when you take into account that US foreign policy is responsible for the
> suffering and deaths of many millions worldwide? Read my other posts in
> this thread for details on this.
>
> Do you really believe that you can fight fire with fire? Violence begets
> violence, and the first to suffer are the innocent. This has been seen time
> and time again in wars worldwide, including the two world wars, the Korean
> War, the Third Indochinese War (often called the "Vietnam War"), Iraq and
> the Balkans wars. In today's age of guerilla warfare, drug trafficking and
> terrorism, the distinction between soldier and innocent has blurred to the
> stage where traditional military strategy does not work, unless you wish to
> massacre entire villages (as American troops have done in Korea and
> Vietnam).
>
> We need to tackle the _root_ of the problem. The main root of crime is poor
> education and poverty. Therefore the best way to tackle crime is to improve
> education and the standard of living. Similarly, the root of these bombings
> is US allowance and support of practices which lead to poverty and brutal,
> authoritarian rule. The US government (not necessarily the people)
> supposedly has ideals of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", but
> only for their own people. They couldn't care less about the world's
> underprivileged, because exploiting them can lead to "the pursuit of
> happiness" for Americans. The United States government gives about 1% of
> its annual budget as foreign aid, far lower than any other industrialised
> nation, despite it having the largest economy in the world. The Bill and
> Belinda Gates foundation donated more money towards world health issues in
> 2000 than did the US government.
>
> The hallmark of over-capitalism is massive inequity, and we are seeing this
> occur both within and outside the USA. Many Americans appear to be afraid
> of mentioning that point, despite the fact that their children cannot
> receive a decent education in government schools. I read recently that the
> education system in a particular state (I forget which one, I think it
> started with "P") was bankrupt, and at the same time Microsoft was auditing
> them for software licenses. Of course, with such a cash-strapped system,
> they had been forced to pirate software, and now they owe millions to M$.
>
> I shall now expect to be labelled as a communist simply because I am
> concerned for my fellow human beings :-)
>
> Note that while I'm focussing on the USA here (because of the terrorist
> attacks), this hardly means that other nations have a clean sheet. On the
> contrary, all of the "advanced democracies" (including my own country,
> Australia) are to blame, but the USA is by far the worst of a bad bunch.
>
> If you wish to know where I'm coming from, I'm writing with several years
> of geography, economics, government and international relations training
> under my belt. There is far more to this than the Anglo-American neoliberal
> standpoint (which is what they usually teach you in schools in nations like
> the US and Australia), and it is important to try to approach the problem
> from different angles in order to under

Re: [newbie] Just Think

[tannji]

I cant believe people actually take the time to post some of the spew that I
have seen over the past few hundred posts. Actually I can, but I dont want
to, nor do I want everyone to think that all Americans are as uneducated or
shallow as some of these posts would indicate  Americans live in
conditions that do not require or encourage much introspection, and human
nature tends to discourage questioning the morals or values of the group you
belong to. I dont try to place my country on the pedestal that so many have,
i dont defend many of Her postions politically, and many public positions
taken by either politicians or private citizens have a tendency to embarass
me. However, there is not a single member of this very active thread who's
home country has not been party to morally reprehensible actions, and from
time to time America has been "morally" opposed to those positions or
actions, when it was politically expedient to do so. Wherever your
particular country falls into this mix, (and it does, dont doubt it) there
is a line that we cant allow our countries to cross, tho many have,
including at various times, the USA. That line regards supporting,
endorsing, or hosting terrorism, however plausibly deniable it may be. We
ALL payed the price for crossing that line yesterday, and will continue to
do so for some time to come. More innocents will suffer, more lines will be
drawn, accusations cast, more politically expedient decisions will be made.
It has always been this way, and it will not change. The only things we can
try to change are the percepted acceptability of terrorism by any name, and
international commitment to responding in a legal and forceful manner.
Regardless of of the international response, terrorism will remain, because
one man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. America IS the most
powerful country in the world at the moment, (which contrasts with our lack
of unity on issues such as these) and you can count on a strong sustained
response to yesterday's actions which will in turn be villified and praised
in this and many other forums. We are moral equals, I'm afraid. Might does
make right in the current order. Given this fact, might I ask what other
country you would be comfortable having the power to enforce will that
America does right now? Any of the middle eastern countries? Any of our
"civilized" allies in western Europe? Eastern Europe? The Catholic church
perhaps?  Power corrupts, and regardless of many opinions, America does try.
Like every other country in the world, this country has and will continue to
make mistakes. Please realize that it will always be tempting to criticize
another's decisions when you didnt have the power to make that decision
yourself.

My prayers and thoughts go out to all who need and appreciate them, May you
never find yourself personally in the situation we literally just woke to,
yesterday.

tannji

PS. I am a newbie, and so far i am loving linux, with some help. I wish
everything was proceeding as well as my linux.





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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Jesse C. Chang]

Jose M. Sanchez wrote:

> God are you full of yourself... 

Like civileme said previously (I think it was him), both sides have a
kernel of truth in them.  He (Sridhar) is not entirely off-base.  What
Americans percieve as an act of evil might very well be considered a
blow against evil by many Muslims, much like the Crusades were by the
Christians of the Middle Ages.  It's pretty ridiculous the way people
can justify the atrocities they commit as being in the name of their
God (I'm not saying that is definitely the case here, but it is a
possiblity).

However, I have to agree that his attitude leaves something to be
desired.  But it's something that every teenager goes through.  I know
I've been there, thinking I am somehow more knowledgeable than most
everyone else just because I learned something new.  In a few years,
real world experience will give him a wake-up call, and he'll realize
that, as he becomes older and wiser, just how much he doesn't know.
And I mean beyond just saying, "I don't claim to know everything,"
which is absolutely meaningless, especially when immediately followed
by, "but I know more than most people."


Jesse

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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[etharp]

Nope I won't let you wrap it up, just because It bugs me to hear anyone say 
we have an "elected" president in the USA.
Heck, let us not forget he was appointed, not elected, and let's not ever 
forget it was his father that ran the CIA during the Vietnam war, as well as 
being an vice director of the CIA when the Kennedys and M.L.King were killed.

next time someone asks if you want to live in Russia, ask them if they think 
you like the cold, and then ask them if the want to live in Somolla. it is 
about as relevant.
> Anyway, I shall wrap it up there.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sridhar.


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Re: [newbie] Which Kernel?

[civileme]

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 19:53, you wrote:
> I was asking myself if programmers that are work on Mandrake were
> using original kernels( kernel.org) or modify them in some way?
>
> Another question is: is there a file that holds all the options
> and modules used to build a kernel so it's possible to replicate
> the compilation of another one with the same parameters?
>
>
>   Ragno "The Spider" Stefano.

Well, try diffing kernel-linus-2.4.3-2mdk (the stock thing) with 
kernel-2.4.3-20mdk  You will find plenty of differences.  What they mean is

sound
supermount--the first rewrite for kernel2.4--did not work as well as we 
wanted.
reiserfs
better usb support
lm_sensors (for computer health monitoring)
full UDF filesystem support (read-only) for data DVDs

Of course kernel-enterprise will diff somewhat differently, since it supports 
memory size huge and multiprocessors and kernel-SMP will again show a 
different pattern, because it does not support the huge memory but does 
support multiprocessors.

So you have lots of options and lots f patches.  If I recall correctly it is 
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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[Charles A Punch]

Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:

> > Either way, I do not dare put the American people on the same level as
> > terrorists.  The Government, possibly, but not the people.
> 
> That's the point I'm trying to make. However, the government is elected by the
> people, for the people. If we can actually get the American populace to actually
> _think_ about what is going on here, they will hopefully realise that _they_ are
> the ones who can stop this. For example, they could vote for somebody more
> globally responsible at the next election.

I think that wall street has more to do with who gets in office, than
those little levers the government lets people pull on election day to
pacify them. The blame for this is not limited to any one country or
ethnic group. It's evil people in high places. Some of them are American
and some are not.  It also didn't just happen out of the blue yesterday.
The process that alloweed this to happen has been brewing for quite some
time. These people weren't always in high places. We allowed them to get
there by accepting moral corruption and sometimes even condoning it. I
am not talking about the illusion that if you vote properly, that
everything will be allright. It goes much deeper than that. If we keep
letting the people who are responsible hide behind ethnicity and
political systems, we have truly allowed them to decieve us. The sad
thing about American politics, is that it is more concerned with what is
politically correct, than what is just. Still, I think that this is the
best country compared to others (not because of the government). Maybe
that's just homegrown predjudice. I think that people need to stop
looking to the corrupt political systems for answers to these problems
and concentrate on promoting social consciousness and morality. That
goes for all countries. If not, the world will continue these
witch-hunts looking for a scapegoat, while the guilty ones laugh at us
from behind the veil.

ShalomOut
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[newbie] Attack on America

[jennifer]

Well, I just got back from watching the events unfold
in Copley Sq and 3 people in connection with the
terrorism have been arrested. 

A scary thought...what were they still doing here in
one of our hotels unless they were planning something
else? I surely would left the city and went into
hiding. Why are they sticking around?

Nostradamus' prediction on WW3:

"In the year of the new century and nine months,
 From the sky will come a great King of Terror...
 The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
 Fire approaches the great new city..."

"In the city of york there will be a great collapse,
 2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos
 while the fortress falls the great leader will
succumb
 third big war will begin when the big city is burning"

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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[etharp]

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 00:20, you had thoughts to the concept of:
> this is only a start people, there is more to come...
>
> but yes these bastards made the wronb bear angry
>
> and they will pay, be sure of that
>
> i know we should not toss our morals aside



> but for the safety of democracy... we might have to


Nope, the moral high ground MUST be where a battle is fought from, other wise 
the winner of the military battle will have lost what the war was over. we do 
not have to fight for God, or Democracy, we DO have to fight for the right to 
live.


lets be honest tho, we in the USA do NOT have democracy, heck it does not 
even qualify as a republic democracy, our President was appointed by the 
court. His Father was head of the CIA during VietNam (ever see Air America 
with Mel Gibson?, research Southern Air, (still in existance and flying C130 
to So. America from Miami) Flying Tigers (merged with Fed-Ex to create fed-ex 
air),  Evergreen air, and see where they got thier money to buy the planes 
and insurance) and might well be one of the people the world court would like 
to try for crimes against humanity, maybe even one of the reasons the US will 
not sign the treaty.

If we ever do get democracy again, I might calm down.



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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[etharp]

On a couple of notes here, as an American who has served in the Military, and 
been in Spec. Forces, and studied a "little" current events and history, I 
wonder if we could appear to have learned something from WW1 and WW2, in that 
the way to _END_ (regardless of the military outcome) the war is to give hope 
and a future to those whom considered you the enemy. Look at the marshal plan 
and what it did for Europe after WW2. Do you believe the proud German people 
would have not started another war in 20 years if they did not recognize that 
they had more hope with commerce than bullets? I wish we had the sense to 
help the common folks in the countries that will be attacked BEFORE we have 
to attack them. Making a peace that would last with the same people whom are 
still upset about the crusades would not be _easy_, but it might be 
worthwhile. The real problem (as I see it) is that they might have to agree 
that I have as much right to the air to breath as they do. 
On the same but slightly different note, if MY genocide is the only thing 
YOUR religion will allow for ME, then where do I draw the line as far as YOUR 
genocide? If you want to kill me, you are gonna have a bloody mess on your 
hands before one of us is dead, and what happens afterwards with both the 
bodies?
I see a lot of room for comparison between the Vikings in the first thousand 
years AD and these terrorists. How hard is it to fight a foe that believes 
that by dyeing in order to kill you they get to go to heaven? 
War on any Nation that believes that my children do not have the right to 
exist, and is willing to raise and wage war in order to prevent my children 
from living and sharing the air, is not only justified, it may be the only 
choice other than laying down and dyeing. The real question at some point 
becomes, at what point do we acknowledge that we only have those choices.
I have never "wished" to killsomeone, but even if the war has questionable 
beginings, (and I don't think to many questions will be asked by history any 
more than we asked if we were correct to battle Japan in WW2) I would not 
hasitate to kill anyone that I believed intend to harm myself or my family.
I would LOVE to see (and the chance of this happening are damn slim) Pres. 
Bush decide to back the world court and allow American and any other head of 
state to be tried for war crimes. I am pretty sure that might give the 
"enemy" a chance to show themselves, and release some frustrations on the 
proper people in an lawfull and orderly fashion, and not on people considered 
to be innocent. 
I was upset by the Afgan Gov. statement warning the US Gov that if "INNOCENT 
AND SINLESS" people are killed, more suicide bombings will occur. I am pretty 
sure that some innocent and sinnless peple (as sinless anyway) were killed. I 
do agree that if you protect the people whom want to kill me, you might be 
protecting people whom you do not really have the ability to protect. in 
fact, by my standards, if someone is shooting at me, and hidding behind you, 
and you say, do not shoot in my direction, because the person behind me 
trying to kill you is a friend of My Gods, then if you do not denounce HIS 
right to kill me, I may as well send you both to meet your God.

I want peace as much as anyone, and have more disrespect for my countries 
Goverment than most ex-GIs and I have been out of the Military for 20 some 
years, but if I can not help you to respect me and allow me my peace, then I 
will treat you as equal to how you treat me. If I am not allowed life, then 
neither are you.
No Person should be more important or less allowed life and joy than any 
other. 
One Of the greatest problems I am aware of in America, and the point of MY 
hositilty towards my own contry is that I FIRMLY believe that a persons right 
to joy should trump a corporations right to profits, and in America, not only 
have our Courts and Goverments decided that profit is MUCH more important 
than indivduales right to joy, but we have made laws that prevent a 
corporation form being put out of business, even if the intentally kill 
people for the sake of profit, and even if the profit (after expensises 
including exec. salary) is miniscule and not enough to compensate for the 
life taken. 
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Re: [newbie] Which Kernel?

[Tim Holmes]

I've tried to recompile newer and older kernels on my machine.  Having
recompiled kernels in FreeBSD and seeing how easy it was, and how much
fun it was to do it, I figured, "Hey... I'll cut my kernel down to size
and it will boot much faster!"

Well I managed to cut it down pretty well, but the problem is that it
wouldn't load all the modules.  I couldn't get sound to work, or NFS, or
various other things to work properly.  

My machine did boot a little bit faster, and it would let me boot, but
it wouldn't actually let me hear sound or other things I had grown
accustom to.

But yes, there is a file that it creates that has the information used
for the kernel so you can use it some other time.  It's in /usr/src/linux.

If you look there you can find the config file.  There's also a default
config that's in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386.

Hope that comes in handy.
tdh

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| 
| Another question is: is there a file that holds all the options
| and modules used to build a kernel so it's possible to replicate
| the compilation of another one with the same parameters?
| 
| 
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RE: [newbie] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Antonio Argentieri]

>Understand, I wasn't ripping you with my previous post, just offering
>my opinion...

I understand... no offence taken, 
you look after yourself.

Antonio.









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RE: [newbie] maybe a revenge?

[d]

Just because someone is inarticulate to you does NOT mean they are, the 
differences in LANUAGE have a large effect on how thingys sound to us.

Deffently THE END of this subject.

At 09:29 AM 9/12/01, you wrote:





>I'm displaying an inarticulate reponse to an inarticulate posting.
>



>-JMS

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Re: [newbie] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Rog]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:58:47 +0100, you wrote:

>
>>Thats a very uninformed opinion you are offering. Did you not see any
>>of the reports about how much it would cost to train people to fly
>>those airplanes? Real flight simulators cost major, major bucks, and
>>it costs about 50k to send someone to a school that has one.
>
>I wish it was uninformed but it's not. I think the discovery of the
>flight manuals in the car
>found at the airport illustrates how basic the knowledge they had was.
>It dosen't cost much to learn to fly a basic plane. Sure, if you want to
>become a fully fledged pilot for a commercial airline it takes thousands of
>hours flight time and thousands of dollars.
>But if you simply need to know the basics a few lessons at your local school
>and a couple of hundred dollars would suffice. Believe me keeping a 767 in
>the air and doing basic guidance isn't much different to doing it in a
>Cessna. i.e. Pointing it at something and crashing it is easy.
>Landing it safely and following all the charts and guidelines is more
>difficult.

Yeah, I heard about that...but while you might convince me about
slamming into the side of the WTC towers being not that difficult,
hitting the Pentagon as they did would certainly require a measure of
expertise.



>
>Anyway I don't think they knew much about aviation
>I know commercial pilots are trained to do what hijackers want to keep
>situations calm and under control. I imagine the jackers asked them to fly
>down the coast and once near NY I suspect they removed the pilots and guided
>the aircraft themselves. I think this partly because of the third and fourth
>aircrafts didn't do the damage they potentially could have done.
>
>
>>Based on evidence? Thats lip service, no more, designed solely to keep
>>Afghanistan out of the line of fire. I'm not saying we should bomb
>>them or anything, but I certainly don't believe a word of what the
>>Taleban has to say. Call me a knee-jerk Yank if you will...
>
>I'm not taking your right to be angry away. go on be angry everyones
>angry. Most of the world infact.
>I don't think US citizens know quite how Upset, Shocked and Angry people in
>other parts of the world are. We're f**ing fuming!
>Just remember the world is watching and pretty much everyone has condemned
>this act. If the US gov acts too hastily it will lose some of that support.
>Imagine what could be done with 80%+ of the worlds governments on it's side.
>That's enough to turn lip service into action even if the Taleban had no
>intention of handing bin laden over. Simply blowing up some afgans up
>innocent or not
>will just draw more people to bin laden's cause and reaffirm some
>Islamic peoples beliefs that the western world hate and despise them.

Unfortunately, right now they are more right about that than they were
two days ago...



>
>Anyway I'm finished that's my last word. back to ontopic.
>

Understand, I wasn't ripping you with my previous post, just offering
my opinion...




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RE: [newbie] Which Kernel?

[FLYNN, Steve]

In answer to your second question, /usr/src/linux/.config should contain the
options used to compile the current kernel.

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Subject:[newbie] Which Kernel? 

I was asking myself if programmers that are work on Mandrake were
using original kernels( kernel.org) or modify them in some way?

Another question is: is there a file that holds all the options
and modules used to build a kernel so it's possible to replicate
the compilation of another one with the same parameters?


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RE: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[Jose M. Sanchez]

He's trolling, under the guise of presenting a different world view.

It's not really worth your time or effort.

He made some sense until the arguments went off the deep end.

-JMS

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|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
|
|
|Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
|
|So...I have a question for you...(then or now) would you 
|rather live in the United States, or Russia (U.S.S.R.)? 
|
|Think carefully here...
|
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RE: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Jose M. Sanchez]

God are you full of yourself... 

I'm quite sure that this will, as is normal for most people, lead to a
very thoughtful and even tempered adult. For the moment though it really
sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black.

There is nothing I could do to change your mind on those points you have
wrong, that you are citing from here-say. Nor do I want or need to, as
experience is a MUCH better teacher.

"I have read in proper academic articles and journals,"

U-huh, this confirms my original statement.

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[newbie] How to avoid a "sound queue"

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

I have my e-mail client set to play a sound when mail is received. This is 
done using the "play soundfile &" command. The problem is that if I have 
another program running using the sound card, i.e. RealPlayer or xmms, sounds 
from the mail client is lined up and all of them are played as soon as I exit 
the other program. I then get an "endless" line of "you've got mail" sounds 
played. Quite annoying.

How could I fix this?

TIA

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[newbie] Which Kernel?

[The Spider]

I was asking myself if programmers that are work on Mandrake were
using original kernels( kernel.org) or modify them in some way?

Another question is: is there a file that holds all the options
and modules used to build a kernel so it's possible to replicate
the compilation of another one with the same parameters?


  Ragno "The Spider" Stefano.




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Re: [newbie] Audio problem... (Kmix).

[bascule]

if you select the tab in kmix, there should be an option off the tollbar to 
'close mixer tab' that should do it, though you need to show the toolbar 
first!

bascule

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 6:12 pm, you wrote:
> Okay, when I switched MB's (the original had onboard AC97 sound), I went to
> a SB X-gamer Live card. Whenever I bring up kmix, it shows the SBlive, and
> "Sigmatel Active???". You can't do anything with this entry, but I know it
> should not still be there. How can I delete it from kmix, or is there
> somewhere else I have to do this? Thanks! ;-)



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Re: [newbie] URPMI

[bascule]

that's a good question, i use to think that if one upgraded 'kdebase' then 
one was forced to upgrade things like 'kdelibs' as well, but just recently i 
have found that (after defining my cooker source) i can upgrade one without 
urpmi telling me that i need to upgrade everything else kde-ish.
i tend to see what kde packages i have installed e.g. kdebase, kdelibs, 
kdeutils etc. and issue all of them on the urpmi command line and say yes to 
whatever dependencies it says have to be satisfied, possibly the above 
behaviour is because the newer versions of the mdk rpms are just newer distro 
packaging of the otherwise same release of kde, i'm not sure.
as for using urpmi, 'urpmi --help' and 'man urpmi' are quite straightforward 
- for a change! :-)

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 9:49 am, you wrote:
> Does anybody know how to use the URPMI ?
> For example, i want to upgrade the KDE to 2.2 and have
> all the packages on a CD, what is the RPM that i should install
> with the URPMI, so it'll install all the packages ?
>
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Re: [newbie] OT, NOT maybe a revenge?

[d]

LURKER here, if I may?  I have an opinion also, I keep it to myself for 
there is NO reason to dig at others over something such as this.  Before 
making drastic assumtions wait until there has been a thorough 
investigation by the authorities.  Let them do their jobs and then let the 
President and Congress make the necessary moves.

End.

At 09:12 AM 9/12/01, you wrote:


>It aint that simple. It almost never is. War is hell.
>

Very well put and OH! so true.





> >
> >
> >
> >



I did the  thingy because evn though they may be TRUE, from others 
perspective, let us work together on this system and leave the Politics to 
those that are Politicians.  You know when a Politician is lieing?  When 
their lips MOVE.  BAG!

Smile and the World will smile with you.

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[newbie] Audio problem... (Kmix).

[Ronald J. Hall]

Okay, when I switched MB's (the original had onboard AC97 sound), I went to a
SB X-gamer Live card. Whenever I bring up kmix, it shows the SBlive, and
"Sigmatel Active???". You can't do anything with this entry, but I know it
should not still be there. How can I delete it from kmix, or is there
somewhere else I have to do this? Thanks! ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Linux Newbie]

Well spoken, but humans by nature are violent and savage animals
unfortunately.

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 06:06 am, so spoke Sridhar Dhanapalan:



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Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?

[Linux Newbie]

Ok, so why should I care what you think,
its not like it is important is it?

Am I supposed to get all pissed off?

You bore me.

Bugger off.

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 05:46 am, so spoke Mandrake7:
> Maybe you forgot all the attacks of USA to the other countries with no
> reason just to show to the world how much strong is the USA army, and how
> many people have die and realy i cant remember someone to give some help or
> some e-mail with deepest sympathies... you suck - Original Message



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Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?

[Ronald J. Hall]

Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> 
> Just off the top-of-my-head, I can think of the entire Panama campaign and many
> smaller compaigns in Korea and Vietnam which did _not_ follow this format. Do
> you have any idea of what the civilian toll was in Korea and Vietnam? Don't
> think that they just got in the way by accident, many were killed by both sides
> either for "strategic" reasons or simply for the hell of it. Quite a few of
> these incidents have been well documented, and many Koreans have taken the US
> military to court (in the US) over issues such as this.
> 
> What about places like Chile, where the US funded a bloody coup and then
> supported the establishment of a brutal dictatorship?
> 
> It aint that simple. It almost never is. War is hell.

Just taking the Korean referral for an example here, and by all means correct
me if I'm wrong, but didn't ---> United Nation <--- forces enter the Korean
war because NORTH Korea attacked S. Korea? Were we not there, along with UN
forces, defending an innocent country?

Just like Kuwait...(although I don't think the UN was involved there).

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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[Ronald J. Hall]

Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:

So...I have a question for you...(then or now) would you rather live in the
United States, or Russia (U.S.S.R.)? 

Think carefully here...



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RE: [newbie] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Antonio Argentieri]

>Thats a very uninformed opinion you are offering. Did you not see any
>of the reports about how much it would cost to train people to fly
>those airplanes? Real flight simulators cost major, major bucks, and
>it costs about 50k to send someone to a school that has one.

I wish it was uninformed but it's not. I think the discovery of the
flight manuals in the car
found at the airport illustrates how basic the knowledge they had was.
It dosen't cost much to learn to fly a basic plane. Sure, if you want to
become a fully fledged pilot for a commercial airline it takes thousands of
hours flight time and thousands of dollars.
But if you simply need to know the basics a few lessons at your local school
and a couple of hundred dollars would suffice. Believe me keeping a 767 in
the air and doing basic guidance isn't much different to doing it in a
Cessna. i.e. Pointing it at something and crashing it is easy.
Landing it safely and following all the charts and guidelines is more
difficult.

Anyway I don't think they knew much about aviation
I know commercial pilots are trained to do what hijackers want to keep
situations calm and under control. I imagine the jackers asked them to fly
down the coast and once near NY I suspect they removed the pilots and guided
the aircraft themselves. I think this partly because of the third and fourth
aircrafts didn't do the damage they potentially could have done.


>Based on evidence? Thats lip service, no more, designed solely to keep
>Afghanistan out of the line of fire. I'm not saying we should bomb
>them or anything, but I certainly don't believe a word of what the
>Taleban has to say. Call me a knee-jerk Yank if you will...

I'm not taking your right to be angry away. go on be angry everyones
angry. Most of the world infact.
I don't think US citizens know quite how Upset, Shocked and Angry people in
other parts of the world are. We're f**ing fuming!
Just remember the world is watching and pretty much everyone has condemned
this act. If the US gov acts too hastily it will lose some of that support.
Imagine what could be done with 80%+ of the worlds governments on it's side.
That's enough to turn lip service into action even if the Taleban had no
intention of handing bin laden over. Simply blowing up some afgans up
innocent or not
will just draw more people to bin laden's cause and reaffirm some
Islamic peoples beliefs that the western world hate and despise them.

Anyway I'm finished that's my last word. back to ontopic.




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Re: [newbie] Flash player plugin Mozilla 0.9.3

[Tom Brinkman]

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 11:02 am, Guilherme Cirne escribió:
> On Wednesday 12 September 2001 03:35, Tom Brinkman wrote:

> > mozilla-xmlterm-0.9.3-3mdk
> > mozilla-fonts-2310-8mdk
> > mozilla-devel-0.9.3-3mdk
> > mozilla-0.9.3-3mdk
> >
> >I've come to hate flash ;>>
>
> I downloaded mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-0.9.3-installer.tar.gz from
> mozilla.org and installed from there. There is a installer script
> which asks for an installation directory and I chose
> /usr/local/mozilla0.9.3.
>
> I have noticed that you installed from rpms. Where did you get the
> rpms. And did you install over mozilla 0.8 or did you uninstall it
> first?

   No, I upgraded over 9.2 using rpm -Fvh. I'm in the habit of getting 
the mozilla src.rpm from cooker and rebuilding it. Sometimes I use the 
Red Hat src.rpm, as it's often available before Mandrake's. I use -Fvh 
so that I don't install mozilla mail or irc, neither of which I want.

 ~ $ whereis mozilla
mozilla: /usr/bin/mozilla /usr/lib/mozilla /usr/include/mozilla
-- 
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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[Ronald J. Hall]

jennifer wrote:
> 
> Don't get me wrong...by justice I don't mean that be passive. I just think
> its wrong to go after (speculation) Afghanastan as a country and kill more
> innocents due to a faction of people taking refuge there. But how else to get
> to him?
> 
> Its just a big dilemna...Does innocent Afgannies (sp?) dying mean justice for
> us if we get the man responsble??

Hi Jennifer. I understand your concerns. However, IMHO, if a country or
organization deliberately houses/harbors/shelters those who would do something
like this, then all bets are off...

Think about it this way...say it is the leading candidate right now, and he is
in Afghanistan. We go in, do what is necessary, and as is the case many times
(he will be hiding in some place with innocents around him, shielding him,
like Hussein) some innocents die...BUT next year, this man, this monster is
not able to repeat his actions and kill 10,000 or a 100,000 (what if he had
used chemical agents? Do you think he is too moral to do that?) Is the gain
not worth it?

(all this is a "supposing it is you-know-who scenario)

I fully agree its a very hard subject and I have mixed emotions as well, but I
fully support the action that REMOVES this threat.

> An interesting note on todays events.It's international peace day. God
> help us.

There's some serious irony for you... ;-(

Later...
 
 /\
 Dark>

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Re: [newbie] configure "could not find gnomeConf.sh needed..."

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

rpmfind.net is often very slow. Use a download manager, like Downloader for X or
GTM, and try a rpmfind mirror (there are links on the main rpmfind site below
the search box).

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:14:03 -0700 (PDT), Peter Rymshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Also went to rpmfind web site, when I tried to
> download same thing as at other site, nothing
> happened. Downloads immediately reports an initial
> time elapsed of about 15 seconds and then either quits
> or simply sits there without making any progress.
> 
> This problem is what prompted me to attempt gz version
> of gnuCash in the first place. 
> 
> --- Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > GNUcash has a _lot_ of dependencies. You should
> > check
> > http://www.gnucash.org/en/required.phtml for
> > details. Get a Mandrake version if
> > possible. You can find packages at
> > http://www.rpmfind.net.
> > 
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:28:37 -0700 (PDT), Peter
> > Rymshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > Been trying to install Guppi (then I have a few
> > more)
> > > in order to be able to install gnuCash. I have
> > gotten
> > > a few previous error messages from ./configure,
> > and
> > > have then RPMed the missing files/programs and ran
> > > ./configure again, each time getting further but
> > not
> > > all the way. But when I search RPM for gnomeConf,
> > I
> > > find nothing.
> > > 
> > > The configure message says that gnuConf.sh is
> > > generated bygnome-libs install.
> > > 
> > > A thought--gnuCash needs Gnome 1.4, and supposedly
> > > then needs only a few more programs beyond that. I
> > > have Gnome installed on Mandrake 8. I tried to
> > find
> > > out what version of Gnome, but couldn't for sure,
> > but
> > > the core files for it in the RPM CD say 1.4, so I
> > > assumed that I was alright???
> > > 
> > > Does Mandrake 8 come with Gnome 1.4, and what do I
> > do
> > > about this configure message about gnome.Conf.sh?
> > > 
> > > Help!
> > >  
> > > --- "Michael D. Viron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > At 05:29 PM 09/07/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > >Thanks for all the information and pointers,
> > and my
> > > > >apologies to all for all the verbal
> > handwringing.
> > > > >
> > > > >I have just one specific question.  Since these
> > > > >directories *are* standardized (although moved
> > > > around
> > > > >a bit from one distr to the next, I think) does
> > > > that
> > > > >mean that when I install a software package
> > that
> > > > all
> > > > >of the files will automatically go to their
> > correct
> > > > >directories, and that I don't need to worry
> > about
> > > > >this? I was under the impression that that was
> > true
> > > > >(and a big advantage) of RPM packages, which
> > would
> > > > >imply that it isn't true for others. Do I need
> > to
> > > > >worry about this?
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, when you install an rpm package, it will
> > > > automatically place your
> > > > files appropriately.  If, on the other hand, you
> > > > compile from source,
> > > > you'll have to run:
> > > > 
> > > > ./configure --with-prefix=/usr/local
> > > > make
> > > > make install
> > > > 
> > > > before the files will be in the correct places.
> > > > 
> > > > Michael
> > > >  
> > > > --
> > > > Michael Viron
> > > > Registered Linux User #81978
> > > > Senior Systems & Administration Consultant
> > > > Web Spinners, University of West Florida
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from
> > > MandrakeSoft?
> > > > 
> > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Sridhar Dhanapalan.
> > "There are two major products that come from
> > Berkeley:
> > LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a
> > coincidence."
> > -- Jeremy S. Anderson
> > 
> > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from
> MandrakeSoft?
> > 
> > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
> > 
> 
> 
> 



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"There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
-- Jeremy S. Anderson



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[newbie] RPMs won't download from Web/FTP

[Peter Rymshaw]

I've already posted this problem as a continuation of
another subject, but thought I'd ask it directly.

I am having a lot of difficulties installing gz
packages because of neveerending dependencies. I have
tried this route instead of getting RPMs because I
can't!

RPMs that I find on the CDs install fine, but when I
select an RPM from the Net and then provide the
location for the download, the next thing I get is a
progress screen showing about 15 seconds elapsed and
then nothing--the download screen either clears or it
simply sits there doing nothing. The computer and the
connection are OK, it's not frozen. I've looked for
any trace of the files having in fact been downloaded,
but there is none.




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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:27:55 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 
> As I said, you are the consummate voice of inexperience and youth...

In these matters, predetermined views and experience can be more of a hindrance
than a help. I was given a standard Western neoliberal education at school.
However, when I started doing government and international relations, I found
that these views did not fit in well at all with non-Western nations (i.e. most
of the world). I had to un-learn these neoliberal teachings in order to
understand different cultures and societies (kind of like how a newbie should
un-learn their Windows knowledge if they want to leant GNU/Linux well) and to
look at them objectively (i.e. not look at them through a Western lens, which is
a _very_ easy trap to fall into). Consequently, I gained new understanding and
knowledge on most of the world (something which neoliberal teachings _cannot_
do), and acquired fresh perspectives on what I had learnt previously. There _is_
more than one way to look at things, and it is only when you can do this that
you can really _understand_ something (I'm not saying that I truly understand
everything, but I tend to do so better than most people, because of this).

The same applies here. As an American, who is emotionally attached to his
country and who has spent a long period in the neoliberal tradition, you have
been affected in some way (either consciously or even subconsciously) by this
incident. At this moment of time, at least, it is difficult for you to be
objective about things. The general attitude of Americans on online fora such as
this list is one of shock, anger and vengeance. This is perfectly
understandable, given the circumstances. However, one cannot keep one's head in
the sand for too long. There is almost _never_ one view. One of the first things
you learn when you study the social sciences is that monocausal factors are very
rare indeed.
 
> What are you about 22-26?

Nineteen :-)

Age obviously is not everything. The best international relations lecturer I
ever had is still in her twenties, and she knows a _lot_ (she's got a phD,
written a few books, etc.). As I mentioned above, too much experience in a field
such as this can put you at risk of becoming a dinosaur, unless you evolve and
adapt that experience to changing times and circumstances. This happens all the
time amongst theorists. They may be fashionable for a while, and eventually they
fall out of favour. Nevertheless, some continue writing in support of their
original ideas, and consequently their peers basically ignore them.

> Give it a few years and you will find out which of your preconceptions
> are right and wrong.

The same could go for anyone, including yourself. At least I backed my arguments
with evidence. I am currently writing a research report on a mildly similar
topic, and so I have a good idea of what I am talking about (and probably
explains why I have gotten a little carried away with this thread). I have based
my arguments on what I have read in proper academic articles and journals, not
on what I read in USA Today or see on CNN. On the other hand, you offer no
evidence or proof (or even any real arguments, for that matter), so at present
to me it looks like you're arguing simply for the sake of arguing, perhaps
simply to make yourself look superior when in fact you have nothing. Of course,
I could be totally wrong, and I invite you to prove me wrong.

> I'd love to chat with the older and wiser version of yourself then.
> You'll be far more interesting.

I would like that. Perhaps you can offer an actual argument in the future.
 
> -JMS
> 
> 
> |-Original Message-
> |From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> |Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:38 AM
> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK
> |
> |
> |On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:48:57 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez" 
> |<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> |wrote:
> |> 
> |> Well you've just proven for all the list to see that you are 
> |victim to 
> |> mis-representations and hearsay, otherwise you would not how 
> |> dramatically untrue your facts are...
> |

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan.
"There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
-- Jeremy S. Anderson



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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:16:14 +0200, civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 September 2001 15:38, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:48:57 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> Sridhar, my friend,
> 
> Please please please don't expect rational argument or openness to different 
> POV from people in shock.
> 
> You do have some very valid, solid, points.  And they have changed not one 
> iota from the time of the Third IndoChina War, wherein we learned that to 
> "American" Oil Companies, on ocean of offshore oil was really worth an ocean 
> of blood.  I quote American because the ownership is multinational though 
> they effectuate their will through the American government.  The appearance 
> has changed, since it is no longer in vogue to keep the world safe from 
> communism, but the driving forces are more determinist than leader-based.
> 
> I am annoyed by greed in all its manifestations, as you appear to be, whether 
> it is the predatory tactics of a very rich corporation, or the actions of a 
> government that purports to be the scion of democracy and freedom.  I am 
> annoyed that technological advances are suppressed in the name of profit, and 
> I know your point of view well.  I think mine may well enclose yours, though 
> it is more philosophical than governmental.
> 
> It is often useful to believe that each point of view has an element of the 
> truth, and to play a mental game to combine them so that they are reconciled, 
> no matter how improbable the outcome.  Often this is closer to the truth, as 
> was taught in the old legend of three blind men examining an elephant.
> 
> Anyway, don't expect much respoonse on the newbie list to your point of view. 
>  People in shock tend to stand and defend their positions.
> 
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Civileme

Civileme,

You are absolutely right. I guess I really struck a nerve here when all I was
trying to do was to place this into a world context in order to make people
realise that the causes for this are not anywhere near as simple as the media
and the US government likes to make it seem. As I said before, I had no
intention of diminishing the plight of the victims or their families. They have
my deepest sympathy.

Anyway, I shall wrap it up there.


Thanks,

Sridhar.



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Re: [newbie] configure "could not find gnomeConf.sh needed..."

[Peter Rymshaw]

Went to web site, could not find version of g-wrap you
sited. More important, when I tried to dounload i386
version, nothing happened. Downloads reports and
initial time elapsed of about 15 seconds and either
quits or simply sits there without making any
progress.

This problem is what prompted me to attempt gz version
of gnuCash in the first place. 

--- skinky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 September 2001 10:28, you wrote:
> > Been trying to install Guppi (then I have a few
> more)
> > in order to be able to install gnuCash. I have
> gotten
> > a few previous error messages from ./configure,
> and
> > have then RPMed the missing files/programs and ran
> > ./configure again, each time getting further but
> not
> > all the way. But when I search RPM for gnomeConf,
> I
> > find nothing.
> >
> > The configure message says that gnuConf.sh is
> > generated bygnome-libs install.
> >
> > A thought--gnuCash needs Gnome 1.4, and supposedly
> > then needs only a few more programs beyond that. I
> > have Gnome installed on Mandrake 8. I tried to
> find
> > out what version of Gnome, but couldn't for sure,
> but
> > the core files for it in the RPM CD say 1.4, so I
> > assumed that I was alright???
> >
> > Does Mandrake 8 come with Gnome 1.4, and what do I
> do
> > about this configure message about gnome.Conf.sh?
> >
> > Help!
> 
> Hi Peter,
> Yesterday I downloaded and installed the followings
> rpms from 
> ftp://ftp.gnucash.org/pub/
> 
> g-wrap-1.1.10-2.i686.rpm
> gnucash-1.6.1-1.i586.rpm
> guile-1.4-12mdk.i586.rpm
> guile-devel-1.4-12mdk.i586.rpm
> Guppi-0.35.5-1mdk.i586.rpm
> libguppi11-0.35.5-1mdk.i586.rpm
> slib-2d2-1.noarch.rpm
> umb-scheme-3.2-17mdk.i586.rpm
> 
> They installed fine with no dependency problems but
> unfortunately I 
> haven't managed to get GnuCash to run.  I get the
> following error:
> 
> ERROR: no such module (g-wrapped gw-runtime) 
> 
> Maybe if you downloaded the abovementioned rpms you
> might have more luck 
> with running the app.  Good luck.
> 
> skinky
> 
>
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[newbie] Need help with Squid

[Robt. Miller]

 I'm trying to configure Squid with the following squid.conf file but I'm getting the 
following error at the Win98 
workstation..
Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. 
The workstation's address is 10.2.1.77 and it can ping and Telnet into the Mandrake 
box - it looks to me to be 
some kind of permissions problem but I'm totally at a loss - I've read the FAQ and it 
appears to me that it's set up 
correctly. What should I try?


httpd_accel_host virtual
httpd_accel_port 80
httpd_accel_with_proxy on
httpd_accel_uses_host_header on
acl internal src 10.2.1.0/255.255.255.0
http_access allow internal
http_access all




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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[civileme]

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 15:38, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:48:57 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Sridhar, my friend,

Please please please don't expect rational argument or openness to different 
POV from people in shock.

You do have some very valid, solid, points.  And they have changed not one 
iota from the time of the Third IndoChina War, wherein we learned that to 
"American" Oil Companies, on ocean of offshore oil was really worth an ocean 
of blood.  I quote American because the ownership is multinational though 
they effectuate their will through the American government.  The appearance 
has changed, since it is no longer in vogue to keep the world safe from 
communism, but the driving forces are more determinist than leader-based.

I am annoyed by greed in all its manifestations, as you appear to be, whether 
it is the predatory tactics of a very rich corporation, or the actions of a 
government that purports to be the scion of democracy and freedom.  I am 
annoyed that technological advances are suppressed in the name of profit, and 
I know your point of view well.  I think mine may well enclose yours, though 
it is more philosophical than governmental.

It is often useful to believe that each point of view has an element of the 
truth, and to play a mental game to combine them so that they are reconciled, 
no matter how improbable the outcome.  Often this is closer to the truth, as 
was taught in the old legend of three blind men examining an elephant.

Anyway, don't expect much respoonse on the newbie list to your point of view. 
 People in shock tend to stand and defend their positions.


Best Wishes,

Civileme



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RE: [newbie] maybe a revenge?

[Franki]

Insults and name calling are really not necessary here, I spoke of this at
first because you guys were the only people I could talk to about it at that
time in the morning and I thought it would be interesting to hear world wide
opinion about it...


This isn't the forum for debating..  I have my opinion, which I voiced,
but I will not name call or otherwise insult anyone for not agreeing

None of us have a say in this anyway.. so arguing about it is a moot
point, if you feel that strongly about it, get into politics and try to lead
your respective countries the right way


people don't suck, politions suck,,, pretty much all of them everywhere.


rgds

Frank



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jose M. Sanchez
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 8:51 PM
To: 'Sridhar Dhanapalan'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] maybe a revenge?


No, she's a moron.

-JMS

|-Original Message-
|From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:04 AM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?
|
|
|(S)he's not a moron, just inarticulate and very insensitive.
|The point made, however, is a valid one.
|
|On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:13:46 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez"
|<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|wrote:
|> Moron.
|>
|> -Original Message-
|> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mandrake7
|> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:46 AM
|> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> Subject: Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?
|>
|>
|> Maybe you forgot all the attacks of USA to the other
|countries with no
|> reason just to show to the world how much strong is the USA
|army, and
|> how many people have die and realy i cant remember someone to give
|> some help or some e-mail with deepest sympathies... you suck
|>
|> - Original Message -
|> From: Steve Maytum 
|> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:44 PM
|> Subject: [newbie] Off Topic - Terrorism!
|>
|> To all affected people in the USA , or anywhere else for
|that matter ,
|> you have my deepest sympathies. May your gods take better
|care of you
|> than the so-called civilised people on this planet! Kindest regards
|> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
|--
|Sridhar Dhanapalan.
|   "There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
|   LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
|   -- Jeremy S. Anderson
|






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Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

Can you explain why "she's a moron", or are you just going to hurl childish
insults at her (or at me, for that matter)? I'm honestly curious, can you
actually substantiate your argument?

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:50:36 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> No, she's a moron.
> 
> -JMS
> 
> |-Original Message-
> |From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> |Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:04 AM
> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |Subject: Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?
> |
> |
> |(S)he's not a moron, just inarticulate and very insensitive. 
> |The point made, however, is a valid one.
> |
> |On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:13:46 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez" 
> |<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> |wrote:
> |> Moron.
> |> 
> |> -Original Message-
> |> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> |> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mandrake7
> |> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:46 AM
> |> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |> Subject: Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?
> |> 
> |> 
> |> Maybe you forgot all the attacks of USA to the other 
> |countries with no 
> |> reason just to show to the world how much strong is the USA 
> |army, and 
> |> how many people have die and realy i cant remember someone to give 
> |> some help or some e-mail with deepest sympathies... you suck
> |> 
> |> - Original Message -
> |> From: Steve Maytum   
> |> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> |> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:44 PM
> |> Subject: [newbie] Off Topic - Terrorism!
> |> 
> |> To all affected people in the USA , or anywhere else for 
> |that matter , 
> |> you have my deepest sympathies. May your gods take better 
> |care of you 
> |> than the so-called civilised people on this planet! Kindest regards 
> |> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |
> |-- 
> |Sridhar Dhanapalan.
> | "There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
> | LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
> | -- Jeremy S. Anderson
> |
> 



-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan.
"There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
-- Jeremy S. Anderson



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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:48:57 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 
> Well you've just proven for all the list to see that you are victim to
> mis-representations and hearsay, otherwise you would not how
> dramatically untrue your facts are...

Umm... Have you actually read or seen what's _really_ going on? By this, I mean
from _credible_ sources like good historians and theorists (e.g. Wade, Johnson,
Vogel, etc.), not the mass-media, which is notorious for its oversimplification
of facts. It appears that YOU are the victim of mis-representations and hearsay.
How can you expect to be truly objective when you _live_ in the country? This is
simply impossible, because of factors like emotional attachments, habits and
teachings (e.g. from schools and the media). The same would go for any nation
that one is attached to. I don't expect to be able to be objective about my
country, because I like it.
 
> Sridhar you are the very voice of in-experience.

Not so. Your approach is very un-scientific indeed. If you wrote an academic
report using your line of argument, it would probably be thrown out.
 
> I have no desire to waste my time trying to convince or enlighten you,
> as to many of your fallacies (which are intermixed with grains of truth
> to make then seem correct, as things  often are).

What fallacies? You obviously didn't read my post very thoroughly, or you are
grossly misinformed, if you think there are fallacies. I substantiated my
arguments with reason and fact. My comments about what is "typically American"
were deliberately satirical. Perhaps you misinterpreted that, since sitire
doesn't transfer well in writing.
 
> Suffice it to say that you REALLY need to get out more buddy...
> 
> In about 20 years I'd love to chat with you about this again and review
> how your views have changed with maturity.

Your inflexibility and lack of receptibility to different ideas and viewpoints
is worrisome. If you read academic political papers over the years, you will
notice how attitudes and views change with time, as situations change and new
evidence and theories come to light. The world is ever-changing, not static. You
need to try to evolve with this or risk falling behind and being cast aside as
an old relic. Many older people I meet tend to be "Cold Warriors", that is those
who are stuck in the old Cold War mentality that communism is all evil and that
the USA is the bastion of world democracy and hence is all good. Could you be
one of those Cold Warriors, Jose? Here's a wake-up call: nothing is perfect.
Since the end of the Cold War, people have been noticing the widening cracks in
the armour of the Anglo-American neoliberal system, which for so long had
remained stable due to the constant communist threat.

Just over a decade ago, the US governmental and economic system was under heavy
attack from academics and economists. Conversely, the Japanese model was hailed
as the way of the future. Fast-forward to today, and many people would argue the
opposite. Times change, and so should you. Can you teach an old dog new tricks?
 
> -JMS
> 
> |-Original Message-
> |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sridhar 
> |Dhanapalan
> |Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:07 AM
> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK
> |
> |
> |On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:12:40 -0700, John W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |> At 06:14 PM 9/12/01 +1000, you wrote:
> |> >On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:03:37 +0800, "Franki" 
> |<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> |> >wrote:
> |> > > I don't think the terrorists deserver american style justice...
> |> >
> |> >NOBODY deserves "american style justice".
> |> 
> |>   I disagree. People hate us because we are successful. (microsoft 
> |> comes to
> |> mind)
> |
> |Why did I expect this sort of response? This is so typically 
> |American, the kind of thing that you are infused with in 
> |American schools and from watching too many American movies. 
> |No, I am not making this up, nor am I trying to be 
> |deliberately anti-American. I have many American friends who 
> |would agree with me. The USA is not the bastion of democracy 
> |that it once was. Today it is the bastion of capitalism, which 
> |was in turn the child of democracy. Why does the USA have the 
> |highest crime rates, the lowest literacy rates, among the 
> |lowest life expectancy rates, and the largest income gap 
> |between rich and poor (with many going hungry) in the 
> |industrialised world? Is this what you call "successful"? 
> |Would you define "success" by how much you can screw over the 
> |world's poor in order to fill your own pockets? I certainly don't.
> |
> |There is far greater "justice" and equality across the 
> |Atlantic, in Western Europe. There is even greater equality in 
> |some Asian nations, like Japan.
> |
> |> I think that when the individuals responsible are determined that if 
> |> they
> |> are in a country such as Afghani

[newbie] printing in mdk 7.2

[L.V.Gandhi]

I have installed mdk 7.2 in a machine with local printers Epson 105+ and also 
a printer which emulates Epson LQ1170/IBM Proprinter XL24E. I have installed 
with cups instead of lpr while prompting. Some time back with RH 6.2, epson 
105+ was working with 9 pin dmtprinter with printtool/lpr. Now both the 
printers are printing test pages properly. How to remove the printer queue 
with cups? How to make the above printers work.
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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Richie de Almeida]

> The On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:40, you wrote:
> > Why is it that terrorists always attack you Americans;
> > you do know that Canada has yet to be attacked by
> > terrorists...

Truly, you are the Typical Ugly Canadian, spouting how we're much better 
liked around the world than our neighbours in the States.

Kid, if you had ever travelled around you would know that many people from 
many countries-- do not draw any difference between Canadians and Americans.  

For the matter of never being terrorized, I beg to differ.  We lost some 
400-500 souls when two bombs were planted on different CP Air planes some 
twenty years ago.

To come out with any message suggesting yesterdays events were 'just 
desserts' is to demonstrate not only a lack of compassion but just a lack of 
basic human-ness.  It puts you closer to the people that flew those planes 
than to me.

Richie de Almeida
Brampton, CANADA



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Re: [newbie] ethernet card/modprobe/irq problem

[ryan_steffes]

That's basically what solved it for me.  I commented out the option
8139too irq=9 line in my modules.conf, rebooted twice (yes twice, got
me).  Then it worked fine again.




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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:07:10 -0700 (PDT), "Jesse C. Chang"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> 
> > The American people have the power to stop this horror, yet they do
> > not exercise it. Are you any better than the 'terrorists'?
> 
> It's great that you're trying to get the Americans on this list to think
> about the situation from a different PoV, but you're starting to sound
> just as overzealous as some of them.

Don't worry, I wasn't trying to imply that the American people are as bad as
terrorists. I was merely, as you have acknowledged, trying to get people to see
things from a different point of view. I figured that such a controversial
question would force one to think. Of course, it can also have the opposite
effect, and make me look "overzealous".
 
> IMHO the inaction of the American people stems from ignorance, or the
> belief that our brand of democracy really works (which might be one and
> the same).  The U.S. Government is not really "for the people" - at
> least, not the way it is supposed to be.
> 
> Either way, I do not dare put the American people on the same level as
> terrorists.  The Government, possibly, but not the people.

That's the point I'm trying to make. However, the government is elected by the
people, for the people. If we can actually get the American populace to actually
_think_ about what is going on here, they will hopefully realise that _they_ are
the ones who can stop this. For example, they could vote for somebody more
globally responsible at the next election.
 
> But ideals do not exist (if they did, Communism would actually work),
> and we do as best we can.  The U.S. Government did what it had to do to
> keep the Soviets in check, I suppose.  I don't know all the facts, so
> while I may not be entirely happy with my government, I am not about to
> condemn it.

Fair enough. It'd be unfair to criticise something which you know little about.

Communism, as practiced by the likes of Lenin and Mao Tse Dong, is a convoluted
version of Marxism. Karl Marx formulated his theories with pure altruism in
mind, and he firmly believed that it would work. This ideal obviously cannot
exist, and so communism was formed. For communism to work, it had to be
dictatorial, and a dictatorship needs something to keep it in power. The USSR
and China used tools like force and propaganda to achieve this goal.

The USA, on the other hand, decided to fund and support anybody who would
officially oppose communism and support the US in return. This led to massive US
moral, military, financial and technical aid flowing into brutal dictatorships
like those seen in the Philippines, Chile, Panama, Indonesia, South Vietnam and
South Korea, despite the obvious fact that these regimes totally contradicted
the Anglo-American neoliberal ideals of freedom and liberty. IMHO, the USA was
not much better than the USSR, but they preferred to do things at arms-length by
aiding brutal regimes rather than doing the dirty work themselves. This made
things much easier to cover up, and made the glossing-over of school history
books a trivial task.
 
> Jesse

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan.
"There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
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RE: [newbie] maybe a revenge?

[Jose M. Sanchez]

No, she's a moron.

-JMS

|-Original Message-
|From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
|Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:04 AM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?
|
|
|(S)he's not a moron, just inarticulate and very insensitive. 
|The point made, however, is a valid one.
|
|On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:13:46 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez" 
|<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|wrote:
|> Moron.
|> 
|> -Original Message-
|> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
|> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mandrake7
|> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:46 AM
|> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> Subject: Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?
|> 
|> 
|> Maybe you forgot all the attacks of USA to the other 
|countries with no 
|> reason just to show to the world how much strong is the USA 
|army, and 
|> how many people have die and realy i cant remember someone to give 
|> some help or some e-mail with deepest sympathies... you suck
|> 
|> - Original Message -
|> From: Steve Maytum   
|> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
|> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:44 PM
|> Subject: [newbie] Off Topic - Terrorism!
|> 
|> To all affected people in the USA , or anywhere else for 
|that matter , 
|> you have my deepest sympathies. May your gods take better 
|care of you 
|> than the so-called civilised people on this planet! Kindest regards 
|> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
|-- 
|Sridhar Dhanapalan.
|   "There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
|   LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
|   -- Jeremy S. Anderson
|




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RE: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Jose M. Sanchez]

Well you've just proven for all the list to see that you are victim to
mis-representations and hearsay, otherwise you would not how
dramatically untrue your facts are...

Sridhar you are the very voice of in-experience.

I have no desire to waste my time trying to convince or enlighten you,
as to many of your fallacies (which are intermixed with grains of truth
to make then seem correct, as things  often are).

Suffice it to say that you REALLY need to get out more buddy...

In about 20 years I'd love to chat with you about this again and review
how your views have changed with maturity.

-JMS

|-Original Message-
|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sridhar 
|Dhanapalan
|Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:07 AM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK
|
|
|On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:12:40 -0700, John W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> At 06:14 PM 9/12/01 +1000, you wrote:
|> >On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:03:37 +0800, "Franki" 
|<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
|> >wrote:
|> > > I don't think the terrorists deserver american style justice...
|> >
|> >NOBODY deserves "american style justice".
|> 
|>   I disagree. People hate us because we are successful. (microsoft 
|> comes to
|> mind)
|
|Why did I expect this sort of response? This is so typically 
|American, the kind of thing that you are infused with in 
|American schools and from watching too many American movies. 
|No, I am not making this up, nor am I trying to be 
|deliberately anti-American. I have many American friends who 
|would agree with me. The USA is not the bastion of democracy 
|that it once was. Today it is the bastion of capitalism, which 
|was in turn the child of democracy. Why does the USA have the 
|highest crime rates, the lowest literacy rates, among the 
|lowest life expectancy rates, and the largest income gap 
|between rich and poor (with many going hungry) in the 
|industrialised world? Is this what you call "successful"? 
|Would you define "success" by how much you can screw over the 
|world's poor in order to fill your own pockets? I certainly don't.
|
|There is far greater "justice" and equality across the 
|Atlantic, in Western Europe. There is even greater equality in 
|some Asian nations, like Japan.
|
|> I think that when the individuals responsible are determined that if 
|> they
|> are in a country such as Afghanistan that would harbor and 
|protect them 
|> then they the whole of Afghanistan "Deserves" whatever 
|happens to them. 
|> Todays occurences are exactly why the USA has to be involved 
|in every 
|> happening throughout the world. If you claim that the US is the only 
|> country who selectively chooses what they are involved in 
|then you are 
|> blind to the workings of the world.
|> 
|> 
|> >I am doing a major in Government and International 
|Relations as part 
|> >of my university degree (along with Information Systems). The most 
|> >important thing to learn is that you cannot impose Western liberal 
|> >views upon those who haven't had
|> >a Western liberal upbringing. For example, if these guys 
|are Arab, then 
|> >you have
|> >to think like an Arab in order to understand them. Thinking like an
|Australian
|> >or an American doesn't help one bit.
|> 
|> >  So if we are to think like Arabs then we should react like arabs? 
|> > Go in
|> > and destroy the whole country and everyone in it 
|regardless of what and 
|> > why?  The funny thing is that although we have what 
|> > esentially  undeniable evidence that it is an arab faction 
|responsible it 
|> > has not yet been proven for certain but everyone has 
|already in their 
|> > minds nailed Bin Laden, et al.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> >Before I get labelled as being callous, let me add that I do _not_ 
|> >condone
|> >such
|> >behaviour, and my heart goes out to the victims' families. 
|It is important,
|> >however, to remain calm and level-headed in such a crisis. This is,
|> >understandably, _very_ difficult to do if you know someone 
|who is involved.
|We
|> >should try to look objectively at the events, and not just 
|get swept 
|> >away
|> >by all
|> >the media coverage.
|> 
|> 
|>   Be callous, you should be. 10,000+ people killed in an 
|hour!!! (not 
|> fact
|> but conceivable) These people had no concern for anything or 
|anyone. Few if 
|> any of the victims of this really have anything to do with 
|the way the US 
|> supposedly polices the world. My thoughts are that the US needs to 
|> obliterate a few countries to get the point across that we will not 
|> tolerate this type behavior against ourselves or our allies. 
|(assuming we 
|> actually have any)
|
|This is yet another stereotype that I had expected. Why are 
|Americans, on the whole, so belligerent? Serving a military 
|career appears to be the best way to get into government in 
|the USA. With presidents like Eisenhower (who was a
|general) and Bush (Snr, who held a high position in the CIA), 
|it is no surprise that US fo

Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

(S)he's not a moron, just inarticulate and very insensitive. The point made,
however, is a valid one.

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:13:46 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Moron.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mandrake7
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:46 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?
> 
> 
> Maybe you forgot all the attacks of USA to the other countries with no
> reason just to show to the world how much strong is the USA army, and
> how many people have die and realy i cant remember someone to give some
> help or some e-mail with deepest sympathies... you suck
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Steve Maytum   
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:44 PM
> Subject: [newbie] Off Topic - Terrorism!
> 
> To all affected people in the USA , or anywhere else for that matter ,
> you have my deepest sympathies. May your gods take better care of you
> than the so-called civilised people on this planet! Kindest regards
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan.
"There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
-- Jeremy S. Anderson



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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[Jesse C. Chang]

Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:

> The American people have the power to stop this horror, yet they do
> not exercise it. Are you any better than the 'terrorists'?

It's great that you're trying to get the Americans on this list to think
about the situation from a different PoV, but you're starting to sound
just as overzealous as some of them.

IMHO the inaction of the American people stems from ignorance, or the
belief that our brand of democracy really works (which might be one and
the same).  The U.S. Government is not really "for the people" - at
least, not the way it is supposed to be.

Either way, I do not dare put the American people on the same level as
terrorists.  The Government, possibly, but not the people.

But ideals do not exist (if they did, Communism would actually work),
and we do as best we can.  The U.S. Government did what it had to do to
keep the Soviets in check, I suppose.  I don't know all the facts, so
while I may not be entirely happy with my government, I am not about to
condemn it.


Jesse


P.S.:  You people _REALLY_ need to learn to edit your replies, so we
don't have to see:

> > > > > > > blah blah blah blah

...over and over again.  We all got it the first couple times, thanks.
 
-- 
   !!   Jesse C. Chang  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [___]
  `|'   "I have the simplest tastes.  I am always
  /|\   satisfied with the best."  -- Oscar Wilde



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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[nathan wainwright]

its a way of swearing i supposed.. :P

-- nathan


>From: Lanman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:46:36 -0400
>
>Netstacking rights ?? Huh? Never heard that one before.
>
>On Wednesday 12 September 2001 12:36 am, you wrote:
> > netstacking rights.
> >
> > i will defend my mother country, and the usa if i could lend a hand.
> >
> >
> >
> > -- nathan
> >
> >
> > From: Lanman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:36:45 -0400
> > >
> > >Hey Nathan, Don't forget that us Moose's are pretty pissed too! Eh?
> > >
> > >On Wednesday 12 September 2001 12:20 am, you wrote:
> > > > this is only a start people, there is more to come...
> > > >
> > > > but yes these bastards made the wronb bear angry
> > > >
> > > > and they will pay, be sure of that
> > > >
> > > > i know we should not toss our morals aside
> > > >
> > > > but for the safety of democracy... we might have to
> > > >
> > > > -- nathan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Lanman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK
> > > > >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:07:50 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >No Contest there! I agree! But I don't think the US Government 
>thinks
> > >
> > >for
> > >
> > > > >one
> > > > >second that a terrorist gang pulled this one off by themselves. It 
>was
> > >
> > >too
> > >
> > > > >co-ordinated, too organized. There was some serious money, and 
>intel
> > > > > behind this. Don't be surprised to find out that some radical
> > >
> > >government
> > >
> > > > > was behind
> > > > >it. Either that, or I better cut WAY back on those Tom Clancy 
>novels!
> > > > >
> > > > >By the way, I'm not comparing this to college football. Your
> > > > > Government WILL
> > > > >make the right decision, Matt. But, unless they come down hard on
> > > > > these jerks, it could happen again (God Forbid!). I happen to like
> > > > > Americans, and I
> > > > >wouldn't wish this on them or any other country either. But the 
>best
> > >
> > >way
> > >
> > > > > to prevent repetition is to "Drop The Hammer" the first time.
> > >
> > >Obviously I
> > >
> > > > > mean dropping it only on those actually responsible. The US people
> > >
> > >have
> > >
> > > > > never been
> > > > >happy about "Collateral Damage" - of that I'm sure, and this time 
>will
> > >
> > >be
> > >
> > > > >no
> > > > >different.
> > > > >
> > > > >But if I remember my history right (correct me if I'm wrong), one 
>of
> > >
> > >the
> > >
> > > > >Japanese admirals commanding the attack on Pearl Harbor said it 
>better
> > > > > than most. Something like - I believe we have awakened a sleeping
> > >
> > >monster
> > >
> > > > > . They had just finished their attack, and he was already thinking
> > >
> > >about
> > >
> > > > > changing his diapers! I think these terrorists should be feeling 
>the
> > >
> > >same
> > >
> > > > > way right about now. I don't think they thought this attack 
>through
> > >
> > >well
> > >
> > > > > enough to ponder the response that will surely follow.
> > > > >
> > > > >Lanman
> > > > >
> > > > >On Wednesday 12 September 2001 11:45 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday 11 September 2001 22:42, you wrote:
> > > > > > > Someone's in for a world of hurt! Right about now, Mass 
>Religious
> > > > >
> > > > >Suicide
> > > > >
> > > > > > > is going to start looking pretty good to those idiots. You can
> > > > > > > bet
> > > > >
> > > > >that
> > > > >
> > > > > > > the U.S. is about to give them a major "Wedgie". Then guess
> > > > > > > who'll
> > >
> > >be
> > >
> > > > > > > dancing and celebrating on the rooftops??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This isn't a college football rivalry. I hope our government 
>makes
> > >
> > >the
> > >
> > > > > > right decisions and minimizes the impact as much as possible as
> > > > > > they
> > > > >
> > > > >bring
> > > > >
> > > > > > the people who did this to justice. War on an entire nation is 
>not
> > >
> > >the
> > >
> > > > > > right response to the actions of a small, extreme group.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [newbie] ethernet card/modprobe/irq problem

[Frans Ketelaars]

Ben Bayer wrote:
> 
> I have a quick question, how do you get a module to work that needs to get a
> correct parameter passed to it, such as irq?  I have this ethernet card which
> I got to work, then I repositioned it in a different slot, getting it its own
> unique IRQ, but now modprobe 8139too returns (this is a realtek 8139 card):
> 
> invalid parameter parm_irq
> 
> if I set parm_irq correctly, I bet I'll be back in business with the home
> network.  How do I do it?

Well, I think the problem is that you must _not_ specify an IRQ
for the 8139too module. Make sure there is no reference like 'irq=...'
with respect to the 8139too module in /etc/modules.conf .

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Re: [newbie] The 2nd Mandrake 8 CD

[George Petri]

On Monday 10 September 2001 00:07, George Petri complained about
Mandrake 8.0 "expert-mode" graphical installation not even prompting for 
the 2nd CD :).  btw, I made a pure reiserfs 600 mb / partition and a 64 mb 
swap.

I was looking at /root/ddebug.log and found this:

* step `miscellaneous' finished
* starting step `doPartitionDisks'
* warning: bad magic number at /usr/bin/perl-install/partition_table_empty.pm 
line 31.
* found a dos partition table on /dev/hda at sector 0
* test_for_bad_drives(/dev/hda)
* win parts: hda1
* mounting /dev/hda6 on / as type reiserfs
* running: /usr/bin/insmod_ 2> /dev/tty5 -f /tmp/reiserfs.o
* calling mount(/dev/hda6, , reiserfs, -1058209792, )
* warning: mount failed: No such file or directory at 
/usr/bin/perl-install/fs.pm line 220.
* step `doPartitionDisks' finished
* starting step `formatPartitions'
* swapon called with hda7
* mounting /dev/hda6 on /mnt/ as type reiserfs
* calling mount(/dev/hda6, /mnt, reiserfs, -1058209792, )
* mounting /dev/hda1 on /mnt/mnt/windows as type vfat
* running: /usr/bin/insmod_ 2> /dev/tty5 -f /tmp/fat.o
* running: /usr/bin/insmod_ 2> /dev/tty5 -f /tmp/vfat.o
* calling mount(/dev/hda1, /mnt/mnt/windows, vfat, -1058209792, check=relaxed)
* warning: can't open /etc/raidtab for reading: No such file or directory
* step `formatPartitions' finished
* starting step `choosePackages'
* getFile Mandrake/base/hdlists:
* trying to read hdlist1.cz for medium 1
* getFile Mandrake/base/hdlist1.cz:
* read 990 headers in hdlist1.cz
* trying to read hdlist2.cz for medium 2
* getFile Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz:
* psUsingHdlists read 990 headers on 2 hdlists
* getFile Mandrake/base/depslist.ordered:
* getFile Mandrake/base/provides:
* ignoring compat-glibc-7.2-2.1.3.3mdk in depslist is not in hdlist
* ignoring kernel-enterprise-2.4.3-20mdk in depslist is not in hdlist
* ignoring tk-8.3.2-7mdk in depslist is not in hdlist
* ignoring tetex-1.0.7-21mdk in depslist is not in hdlist
* ignoring libhermes1-1.3.2-5mdk in depslist is not in hdlist
* ignoring MySQL-shared-3.23.36-2mdk in depslist is not in hdlist

[hundreds of lines of more of the same]

* ignoring zsh-doc-3.1.9-6mdk in depslist is not in hdlist
* selecting default package as vim-minimal-6.0-0.16mdk.i586
* selecting default package as kernel-2.4.3-20mdk.i586
* getFile Mandrake/base/rpmsrate:
* unknown package `WindowMaker'
* unknown package `Epplets'
* unknown package `WMRack'
* unknown package `enlightenment'
* unknown package `ethemes'
* unknown package `gtk-themes'

[more and more of the same]

* unknown package `wireless-tools'
* getFile Mandrake/base/compssUsers:
* low memory install, using single CD installation (as it is not ejectable)
* getAvailableSpace_mounted 570144 KB
* available size 491MB (corrected 424MB)
* selecting default package as apache-mod_perl-1.3.19_1.25-3mdk.i586
* setSelectedFromCompssList: reached size 594MB, up to indice 4 (less than 0)
* setSelectedFromCompssList: Aurora 

These files were put in my /root folder after install:
ddebug.log install.log
ddebug.log1   report.bug
auto_inst.cfg.pl  tmp/

Things on the second CD such as Penguin Command, TiMidity and DosEMU
*do* appear in the Software Manager (rpmdrake) as part of the second CD.
But, does any one know why the install program didn't even prompt me for the
2nd CD?

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Re: [newbie] LM8.1 B3

[Lanman]

I had the same menu problem in Beta 1, but Beta 2 was fine. Hmmm, maybe it's 
not us, maybe it's that Raklet Cheese the MandrakeSoft guys keep eating?? 
Nah, couldn't be. But I found that most things ran a tad faster in Beta2.

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 08:14 am, you wrote:
> as a futher note:
> kde 2.2 seems slow
> i like the hour glass in kicker while u wait for the app to open
> in recommended install, u dont get many applets in kicker and the menu is
> empty .. no programs or anything
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mohammed Arafa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mandrake Newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:09 AM
> Subject: [newbie] LM8.1 B3
>
> > 1. sound: cs423x doesnt work from harddrake nor from sndconfig (linus'
>
> voice
>
> > only no midi .. was working in lm8.0 from sndconfig)
> > 2. task bar: i dont like the new way of putting all your running programs
> > (for all 4 desktops)on the task bar in front of u.
> > 2a. konqueror: only one konqueror button, with a pop up menu for the
> > other instances of konqueror .. not nice
> > 3. cli: no more shutting down the xserver to the cli, supposedly ok but
>
> what
>
> > if u need to run a program that could mess up ur x configuration? (as i
> > understand it .sndconfig is/was such a one
> > 4. screensaver: i want my blue screen of death screensaver; i loved it,
> > everybody at work went OoooH!
> > 5. 8.1: noticed a lot of reference to 8.0 every where; set up, tutorials,
> > etc.
> > 6. logo: is this gonna be the new one?
> >
> > a short personal review of 8.1b3 its only been running 12 hours or so and
> > havent had a chance to play with it
> >
> > enjoy
> >
> >
> > _
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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[Charles A. Punch]

Point taken.  I apologize. I totally misunderstood you. That was a Homer 
Simpson quote, wasn't it?

ShalomOut
  Chal

Elder PCUSA
Registered Linux user #217118

Lanman wrote:

>It was intended as a humourous tease regarding your minor oversight in 
>sending your emails to the list when you intended to send them off-list, 
>Charles. Lighten up. No need to get sarcastic. Perhaps a little more sleep, 
>and a lot less caffeine are in order here?
>
>Lanman
>
>
>On Wednesday 12 September 2001 12:33 am, Charles A. Punch wrote:
>
>>Lanman wrote:
>>
>>>Doh!
>>>
>>Well that Homer Simpsonian response surely clears it all up. What a
>>vocabulary! I thank the other people who gave good advice rather than
>>whatever that was supposed to be.
>>
>>ShalomOut
>> Chal
>>
>>Elder PCUSA
>>Registered Linux user #217118
>>
>>>On Tuesday 11 September 2001 05:33 pm, Charles A. Punch wrote:
>>>
My bad! That's weird, I'm using the reply button (rather that reply all)
in Mozilla. Good thing I have nothing to hide eh? Sorry, I don't mean to
clog up the list, but it seems that I am not alone in that today anyway.
I guess I'll have to cut & paste the address to send a new message and
get it to go off list . If this one goes on list, it's definitely my
browser. If it don't, I must have hit the wrong button last time.
ShalomOut
   Chal

Elder PCUSA
Registered Linux user #217118

Randy Kramer wrote:

>Charles A. Punch wrote:
>
>>I'm replying off list,
>>
>Charles,
>
>Your off list replies seem to be appearing on the list. ;-)
>
>Randy Kramer
>
>
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Re: [newbie] LM8.1 B3

[Mohammed Arafa]

as a futher note:
kde 2.2 seems slow
i like the hour glass in kicker while u wait for the app to open
in recommended install, u dont get many applets in kicker and the menu is
empty .. no programs or anything

- Original Message -
From: "Mohammed Arafa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mandrake Newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:09 AM
Subject: [newbie] LM8.1 B3


> 1. sound: cs423x doesnt work from harddrake nor from sndconfig (linus'
voice
> only no midi .. was working in lm8.0 from sndconfig)
> 2. task bar: i dont like the new way of putting all your running programs
> (for all 4 desktops)on the task bar in front of u.
> 2a. konqueror: only one konqueror button, with a pop up menu for the other
> instances of konqueror .. not nice
> 3. cli: no more shutting down the xserver to the cli, supposedly ok but
what
> if u need to run a program that could mess up ur x configuration? (as i
> understand it .sndconfig is/was such a one
> 4. screensaver: i want my blue screen of death screensaver; i loved it,
> everybody at work went OoooH!
> 5. 8.1: noticed a lot of reference to 8.0 every where; set up, tutorials,
> etc.
> 6. logo: is this gonna be the new one?
>
> a short personal review of 8.1b3 its only been running 12 hours or so and
> havent had a chance to play with it
>
> enjoy
>
>
> _
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RE: [newbie] maybe a revenge?

[Jose M. Sanchez]

Title: Message



Moron.

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
  Behalf Of Mandrake7Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:46 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [newbie] 
  maybe a revenge?
  Maybe you forgot all the attacks of USA to the 
  other countries with no reason just to show to the world how much strong 
  is the USA army, and how many people have die and realy i cant remember 
  someone to give some help or some e-mail with deepest 
  sympathies... you suck
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Steve Maytum 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 
12:44 PM
Subject: [newbie] Off Topic - 
Terrorism!

To all affected people in the USA , or anywhere 
else for that matter , you have my deepest sympathies. May your gods take 
better care of you than the so-called civilised people on this planet! 
Kindest regards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[etharp]

seems like they changed the list server to make a reply go to the list first 
(to cut down on questions asked to the list but reply sent to the 
individuals and not the list so we don't see the correction, and don't need 
to reply to all) and you will have to hit reply all and delete the list name 
if you want it to go just to the person. it ain't just mozy mail, it is 
k-mail too

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 17:33, you had thoughts to the concept of:
> My bad! That's weird, I'm using the reply button (rather that reply all)
> in Mozilla. Good thing I have nothing to hide eh? Sorry, I don't mean to
> clog up the list, but it seems that I am not alone in that today anyway.
> I guess I'll have to cut & paste the address to send a new message and
> get it to go off list . If this one goes on list, it's definitely my
> browser. If it don't, I must have hit the wrong button last time.
> ShalomOut
> Chal
>
> Elder PCUSA
> Registered Linux user #217118
>
> Randy Kramer wrote:
> >Charles A. Punch wrote:
> >>I'm replying off list,
> >
> >Charles,
> >
> >Your off list replies seem to be appearing on the list. ;-)
> >
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> >
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Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?

[Mandrake7]

Maybe you forgot all the attacks of USA to the 
other countries with no reason just to show to the world how much strong is 
the USA army, and how many people have die and realy i cant remember 
someone to give some help or some e-mail with deepest 
sympathies... you suck

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve Maytum 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:44 
  PM
  Subject: [newbie] Off Topic - 
  Terrorism!
  
  To all affected people in the USA , or anywhere 
  else for that matter , you have my deepest sympathies. May your gods take 
  better care of you than the so-called civilised people on this planet! Kindest 
  regards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   

Re: [newbie] Attention for everybody

[Mohammed Arafa]

another off-topic post
ok can we debunk this? if a great city is burning ..doesnt that mean it
already is a war? how else would an entire city burn?

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:19 PM
Subject: [newbie] Attention for everybody


> "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two
> brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress
> endures, the great leader will succumb" , "The third
> big war will begin when the big city is burning" -
> Nostradamus 1654
>
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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[Lanman]

It was intended as a humourous tease regarding your minor oversight in 
sending your emails to the list when you intended to send them off-list, 
Charles. Lighten up. No need to get sarcastic. Perhaps a little more sleep, 
and a lot less caffeine are in order here?

Lanman


On Wednesday 12 September 2001 12:33 am, Charles A. Punch wrote:
> Lanman wrote:
> >Doh!
>
> Well that Homer Simpsonian response surely clears it all up. What a
> vocabulary! I thank the other people who gave good advice rather than
> whatever that was supposed to be.
>
> ShalomOut
>  Chal
>
> Elder PCUSA
> Registered Linux user #217118
>
> >On Tuesday 11 September 2001 05:33 pm, Charles A. Punch wrote:
> >>My bad! That's weird, I'm using the reply button (rather that reply all)
> >>in Mozilla. Good thing I have nothing to hide eh? Sorry, I don't mean to
> >>clog up the list, but it seems that I am not alone in that today anyway.
> >>I guess I'll have to cut & paste the address to send a new message and
> >>get it to go off list . If this one goes on list, it's definitely my
> >>browser. If it don't, I must have hit the wrong button last time.
> >>ShalomOut
> >>Chal
> >>
> >>Elder PCUSA
> >>Registered Linux user #217118
> >>
> >>Randy Kramer wrote:
> >>>Charles A. Punch wrote:
> I'm replying off list,
> >>>
> >>>Charles,
> >>>
> >>>Your off list replies seem to be appearing on the list. ;-)
> >>>
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> >>>
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RE: [newbie] Attention for everybody

[FLYNN, Steve]

What is your problem with your Linux box?

Is fortune spewing this rubbish out and you want to turn it off?

Maybe you want it to give you a fortune each login? In that case, edit your
relevant configuration file for your shell and call fortune from it. You
could even put in somewhere like /etc/.profile and all users would get it.

Other than that, you're going to have to give us more details before we can
help you with your problem.

Steve Flynn
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Sent:   Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:[newbie] Attention for everybody

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two
brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress
endures, the great leader will succumb" , "The third
big war will begin when the big city is burning" -
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[newbie] diff'ing the Mandrake kernel against Linus's kernel

[FLYNN, Steve]

Purely for educational purposes, I'd like to see what changes Mandrake have
made to the kernel from the original kernel supplied by Linus.

Now, as there are a great many files to compare, can anyone think of a neat
way to automate the diff'ing? I feel a script coming on, but I'm unsure if
it can be done with a one-liner.

Anyone?

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RE: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[KL, Kiran]

Hey Sridhar, 
He is not my President. I don't belong to US. What ever may be the
reason, killing of innocent people is wrong. Whether it done by American
government or any other terrorist organization.  I think you are over
reacting to this a little bit. Think in a humanitarian way and you will
realize the gravity of the situation. 

- kiran

> -Original Message-
> From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:22 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> 
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:30:48 +0500, "KL, Kiran"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > This is the most atrocious thing that could have happened. This
> > surely is a cowardly act on the part of those who committed the act. 
> >  As president Bush says, the guilty should not be spared.
> 
> Your "president Bush" is responsible for the deaths of many hundreds of
> people,
> as the former Governor of Texas. As the President of the United States, he
> is
> responsible for the deaths and suffering of many millons worldwide. "The
> guilty
> should not be spared".
> 
> Once again, I am not trying to be anti-American here. I am merely trying
> to get
> people to look at themselves before they condemn others. These are
> governments
> that Americans have elected. The American people have the power to stop
> this
> horror, yet they do not exercise it. Are you any better than the
> 'terrorists'?
> 
> > -- kiran 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: nathan wainwright [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:48 AM
> > > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject:  Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> > > 
> > > one thing is, if i am needed i will defend my country (cdn), and
> anyone 
> > > elses from these bastards...
> > > 
> > > sorry all, but when every anyone does something like this i hate them
> > > 
> > > more so for childeren that had noe even started their lifes
> > > 
> > > -- nathan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >From: jennifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],"nathan wainwright" 
> > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> > > >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:16:32 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Yes, i hear you about being scared...I'm from boston and was
> evacuated 
> > > >today
> > > >from work. I just hope that fear does not drive us to succomb to the
> same
> > > >hatred that has been bestowed upon us today. This is a delicate
> > > situation. 
> > > >I
> > > >truely hope that it was a terrorist group and not a nation that
> attacked 
> > > >us.
> > > >I certainly don't want friends or family to have to go to war over
> this.
> > > We
> > > >have enough sadness to deal with.
> > > >
> > > >I think the best thing we can do is recover as quickly as possible.
> Send 
> > > >the
> > > >message that we are stronger than they are...morally an spiritually.
> If
> > > we
> > > >stay together as a nation, justice will prevail. This has certainly 
> > > >reminded
> > > >me to value America and renewed my national pride.
> > > >
> > > >Ans thank you to all the people on this list from all nations who
> have 
> > > >shown
> > > >support for us whether we were personally affected or not.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Tuesday 11 September 2001 23:50, nathan wainwright wrote:
> > > > > i now i added once.. im canadian.. and i am scared, and sorry for
> > > > > everything that happend for the man that talked to his wife before
> she
> > > > > died... to all the childeren that are dead, and the others that no
> 
> > > >longer
> > > > > have parents...
> > > > >
> > > > > i want those bastards to pay dearly for what they did,
> > > > >
> > > > > ill keep it simple
> > > > >
> > > > > President bush... go nuts
> > > > >
> > > > > -- nathan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Lanman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >
> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> > > > > >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:48:14 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Jon; Good sense is never "Off Topic". Tell your sister that we're
> 
> > > >rooting
> > > > > >for
> > > > > >the quick return of her husband. Absolutley right by the way.
> Save
> > > the
> > > > > > ones that can be saved, bury the dead and mourn their loss, then
> > > find 
> > > >the
> > > > > > ones responsible. I'd like to think that "Punish" is a far
> lighter 
> > > >term
> > > > > > than most
> > > > > >of us would use, but you've got the right idea.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Lanman
> > > > > >
> > > > > >On Tuesday 11 September 2001 09:45 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > > > Firstly I would just like to say that my prayers go out to all
> the
> > > > > >
> > > > > >families
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > on this dark day in America.
> > > > > > > I don't personally know anyone that was injured today. But to
> show
> > > 
> > > >just
> > > >

[newbie] Off Topic - Terrorism!

[Steve Maytum]

To all affected people in the USA , or anywhere 
else for that matter , you have my deepest sympathies. May your gods take better 
care of you than the so-called civilised people on this planet! Kindest regards 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[Charles A. Punch]

Lanman wrote:

>Doh!
>
Well that Homer Simpsonian response surely clears it all up. What a 
vocabulary! I thank the other people who gave good advice rather than 
whatever that was supposed to be.

ShalomOut
 Chal

Elder PCUSA
Registered Linux user #217118

>
>
>
>On Tuesday 11 September 2001 05:33 pm, Charles A. Punch wrote:
>
>>My bad! That's weird, I'm using the reply button (rather that reply all)
>>in Mozilla. Good thing I have nothing to hide eh? Sorry, I don't mean to
>>clog up the list, but it seems that I am not alone in that today anyway.
>>I guess I'll have to cut & paste the address to send a new message and
>>get it to go off list . If this one goes on list, it's definitely my
>>browser. If it don't, I must have hit the wrong button last time.
>>ShalomOut
>>Chal
>>
>>Elder PCUSA
>>Registered Linux user #217118
>>
>>Randy Kramer wrote:
>>
>>>Charles A. Punch wrote:
>>>
I'm replying off list,

>>>Charles,
>>>
>>>Your off list replies seem to be appearing on the list. ;-)
>>>
>>>Randy Kramer
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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[John W]

At 06:14 PM 9/12/01 +1000, you wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:03:37 +0800, "Franki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't think the terrorists deserver american style justice...
>
>NOBODY deserves "american style justice".

  I disagree. People hate us because we are successful. (microsoft comes to 
mind)
I think that when the individuals responsible are determined that if they 
are in a country such as Afghanistan that would harbor and protect them 
then they the whole of Afghanistan "Deserves" whatever happens to them. 
Todays occurences are exactly why the USA has to be involved in every 
happening throughout the world. If you claim that the US is the only 
country who selectively chooses what they are involved in then you are 
blind to the workings of the world.


>I am doing a major in Government and International Relations as part of my
>university degree (along with Information Systems). The most important 
>thing to
>learn is that you cannot impose Western liberal views upon those who 
>haven't had
>a Western liberal upbringing. For example, if these guys are Arab, then 
>you have
>to think like an Arab in order to understand them. Thinking like an Australian
>or an American doesn't help one bit.

>  So if we are to think like Arabs then we should react like arabs? Go in 
> and destroy the whole country and everyone in it regardless of what and 
> why?  The funny thing is that although we have what 
> esentially  undeniable evidence that it is an arab faction responsible it 
> has not yet been proven for certain but everyone has already in their 
> minds nailed Bin Laden, et al.



>Before I get labelled as being callous, let me add that I do _not_ condone 
>such
>behaviour, and my heart goes out to the victims' families. It is important,
>however, to remain calm and level-headed in such a crisis. This is,
>understandably, _very_ difficult to do if you know someone who is involved. We
>should try to look objectively at the events, and not just get swept away 
>by all
>the media coverage.


  Be callous, you should be. 10,000+ people killed in an hour!!! (not fact 
but conceivable) These people had no concern for anything or anyone. Few if 
any of the victims of this really have anything to do with the way the US 
supposedly polices the world. My thoughts are that the US needs to 
obliterate a few countries to get the point across that we will not 
tolerate this type behavior against ourselves or our allies. (assuming we 
actually have any)

John W

>




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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:55:01 -0500, Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 September 2001 12:47 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan escribió:
> 
> > To a large proportion of the world's population, the United States of
> > America _IS_ a monster. While I most certainly don't condone the
> > attacks, I was not surprised by them either. Americans seem to have
> > been brainwashed into believing that they are the world's saviour.
> > This is simply a lie.
> 
> Sridhar Dhanapalan, so what's your country's claim to fame.. ?

We have kangaroos and koalas :-)
 
>   Proud of it ?

Yep, they're cute 'n cuddly :-)
 
>It's the easiest thing in the world to condemn the USA, been going 
> on before you or I were born.  I believe you're just jealous

Jealous of what? Please read my other posts in the thread before you condemn me.

>   I do believe you're right in thinking the USA shouldn't try to be the 
> planets cops tho.

I was obviously overgeneralising on the "brainwashed" part, but there still is
some truth to that statement.

Read my words here carefully. I said "To a large proportion of the world's
population, the United States of America _IS_ a monster." I didn't say that _I_
believe in that statement. However, millions of people worldwide do believe it.
There are plenty of rational (for them) reasons to do so, and I have covered a
few of these in other posts in this thread.

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan.
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LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
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Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:30:48 +0500, "KL, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>   This is the most atrocious thing that could have happened. This
> surely is a cowardly act on the part of those who committed the act. 
>  As president Bush says, the guilty should not be spared.

Your "president Bush" is responsible for the deaths of many hundreds of people,
as the former Governor of Texas. As the President of the United States, he is
responsible for the deaths and suffering of many millons worldwide. "The guilty
should not be spared".

Once again, I am not trying to be anti-American here. I am merely trying to get
people to look at themselves before they condemn others. These are governments
that Americans have elected. The American people have the power to stop this
horror, yet they do not exercise it. Are you any better than the 'terrorists'?

>   -- kiran 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   nathan wainwright [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:48 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> > 
> > one thing is, if i am needed i will defend my country (cdn), and anyone 
> > elses from these bastards...
> > 
> > sorry all, but when every anyone does something like this i hate them
> > 
> > more so for childeren that had noe even started their lifes
> > 
> > -- nathan
> > 
> > 
> > >From: jennifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],"nathan wainwright" 
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:16:32 -0400
> > >
> > >Yes, i hear you about being scared...I'm from boston and was evacuated 
> > >today
> > >from work. I just hope that fear does not drive us to succomb to the same
> > >hatred that has been bestowed upon us today. This is a delicate
> > situation. 
> > >I
> > >truely hope that it was a terrorist group and not a nation that attacked 
> > >us.
> > >I certainly don't want friends or family to have to go to war over this.
> > We
> > >have enough sadness to deal with.
> > >
> > >I think the best thing we can do is recover as quickly as possible. Send 
> > >the
> > >message that we are stronger than they are...morally an spiritually. If
> > we
> > >stay together as a nation, justice will prevail. This has certainly 
> > >reminded
> > >me to value America and renewed my national pride.
> > >
> > >Ans thank you to all the people on this list from all nations who have 
> > >shown
> > >support for us whether we were personally affected or not.
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tuesday 11 September 2001 23:50, nathan wainwright wrote:
> > > > i now i added once.. im canadian.. and i am scared, and sorry for
> > > > everything that happend for the man that talked to his wife before she
> > > > died... to all the childeren that are dead, and the others that no 
> > >longer
> > > > have parents...
> > > >
> > > > i want those bastards to pay dearly for what they did,
> > > >
> > > > ill keep it simple
> > > >
> > > > President bush... go nuts
> > > >
> > > > -- nathan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Lanman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
> > > > >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:48:14 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >Jon; Good sense is never "Off Topic". Tell your sister that we're 
> > >rooting
> > > > >for
> > > > >the quick return of her husband. Absolutley right by the way. Save
> > the
> > > > > ones that can be saved, bury the dead and mourn their loss, then
> > find 
> > >the
> > > > > ones responsible. I'd like to think that "Punish" is a far lighter 
> > >term
> > > > > than most
> > > > >of us would use, but you've got the right idea.
> > > > >
> > > > >Lanman
> > > > >
> > > > >On Tuesday 11 September 2001 09:45 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > > Firstly I would just like to say that my prayers go out to all the
> > > > >
> > > > >families
> > > > >
> > > > > > on this dark day in America.
> > > > > > I don't personally know anyone that was injured today. But to show
> > 
> > >just
> > > > >
> > > > >how
> > > > >
> > > > > > much this affects people in many other ways, here is my story.
> > > > > > My brother-in-law was working on a military base in NY today. He
> > was 
> > >on
> > > > >
> > > > >the
> > > > >
> > > > > > roof of a building  when it happened. He didn't hear or see it,
> > but 
> > >was
> > > > > > told by the military that they had to leave. He couldn't contact
> > us 
> > >all
> > > > >
> > > > >day
> > > > >
> > > > > > today, his first message wasn't until 6pm tonight.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My sister was married on Sept. 1st of this year to a Marine. She
> > is 
> > >19
> > > > >
> > > > >and
> > > > >
> > > > > > they moved to NC. This is her first time away from home. Her
> > husband
> > > > > > was called to the base tonight and the base was on lockdown, which
> > > > > > means

Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:03:37 +0800, "Franki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think the terrorists deserver american style justice...

NOBODY deserves "american style justice". Do you support capital punishment? The
USA is the only "advanced democracy" that does, and it has ignored United
Nations pressure to change that. Do you support homophobic laws? The last time I
checked, twenty of fifty US states have laws prohibiting homosexual behaviour.
Do you support companies like Nike and Microsoft, who exploit people worldwide
for their own financial gain? Do you support laws that benefit large capitalist
corporations at the expense of the average citizen, like the DMCA? Civileme has
mentioned in a number of posts that he is afraid to go back to his own country
(the US) for fear of him being persecuted under DMCA-style laws (CMIIW,
Civileme).

Things aint that simple. There is always another viewpoint, and we must try to
view things the way 'they' would see it, in order to understand them and
determine their motives. If your family and community was impoverished and
subject to a brutal authoritarian regime, all thanks to US Foreign Policy,
wouldn't _you_ want revenge?

I am doing a major in Government and International Relations as part of my
university degree (along with Information Systems). The most important thing to
learn is that you cannot impose Western liberal views upon those who haven't had
a Western liberal upbringing. For example, if these guys are Arab, then you have
to think like an Arab in order to understand them. Thinking like an Australian
or an American doesn't help one bit.

Before I get labelled as being callous, let me add that I do _not_ condone such
behaviour, and my heart goes out to the victims' families. It is important,
however, to remain calm and level-headed in such a crisis. This is,
understandably, _very_ difficult to do if you know someone who is involved. We
should try to look objectively at the events, and not just get swept away by all
the media coverage.
 
> Why give then an anesthetic before killing them (by putting them to
> sleep)
> 
> they didnt' give their victims any choice in the matter...
> 
> 
> They deserve alot more then peaceful sleep, they deserve public torture...
> to serve as a warning...
> 
> 
> It won't happen, but its what they deserver,, and because it won't happen,
> it will one day happen again...
> 
> 
> Geeze, I am such a bastard about this
> 
> 
> 
> Frank
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lanman
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 12:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matt Greer
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK
> 
> 
> Matt; My comments regarding possible retribution were directed ONLY at those
> responsible. Didn't mean to give you the wrong impression. And I believe
> that
> - given the chance- President Bush will take extreme pleasure in bringing
> those responsible over to our side of the pond (if at all possible, assuming
> that they're not already here), to face justice "American" style. The
> American people will expect it. Kind of a "slap in the face" to those
> murderers. Knowing this, they may choose to "take themselves out" instead.
> But whether they're Palestinians or Martians, the Americans deserve justice.
> They already paid the bill. Ask any New Yorker!
> 
> Sleep time! Goodnight all.
> 
> Lanman
> 
> On Thursday 13 September 2001 12:17 am, Matt Greer wrote:
> > On Tuesday 11 September 2001 23:07, you wrote:
> > > By the way, I'm not comparing this to college football.
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I was/am a bit frustrated at people's reactions to the
> > Palestineans . What they're doing is dispicable, but that doesn't
> mean
> > we should want their deaths.
> >
> > > I think these terrorists should be feeling the same way right
> > > about now. I don't think they thought this attack through well enough to
> > > ponder the response that will surely follow.
> >
> > Either they didn't really think of the consequences or they don't care. A
> > war could be exactly what they wanted. Who knows.
> >
> > Watching the tower crumble to the ground sends chills down my spine
> > everytime I see it. I don't think hardly anyone would have thought a plane
> > crashing into the upper portion of  a skyscraper could cause it to
> implode.
> > A news channel tonight had an engineer on and even he was surprised.
> >
> > Matt

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Re: [newbie] cdrecord Front-End

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

Look for "normalize" at rpmfind.net.

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:01:08 -0300, Guilherme Cirne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've been searching for good a frontend for cdrecord but haven't found one 
> which I find adequate. I have tested gtoaster and eroaster so far. ERoaster 
> has support for normalize but doesn't support TAO mode. GToaster has support 
> for both TAO and DAO modes but doesn't have any option for normalizing audio 
> tracks.
> 
> So, basically, what I am looking for is a frontend which can do both TAO and 
> DAO, and also has support for normalizing. Anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks for any help,

-- 
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LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
-- Jeremy S. Anderson



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[newbie] [MDLUG] Problems with SWAT and SAMBA

[Ira M. Bargon III]

I have just installed Mandrake 8 on a server. This server basically just 
shares an internet connection. I used Mandrakes Internet Sharing program to 
set this up. Now im trying to set up SAMBA. Mandrake 8 automatically sets 
this up for you. But you still have to do some fiddling around to configure 
for your certain use. Well i can see the linux box on Network Neighborhod, 
but when i try to access it up comes a password box for a connection to IPC, 
well i typed in the root password and its says wrong password. Well then i 
said i will try SWAT which configures samba. When i try to use swat from any 
other machine besides the server it self i get an error message of 
Network Connection ErrorConnection reset by peer.But if i use 
swat from linux box itself it works fine.Im using xinetd instead of inetd. 
The /etc/services file is set up correclty. I think this might be a firewall 
problem, not a swat or samba problem? Here is an entry from my 
/var/log/auth.logSep 11 18:50:09 localhost xinetd[19828]: FAIL: swat 
libwrap from=192.168.0.16 Here is my hosts.allow and deny 
entryieshosts.allowswat:LOCAL,194.7.51., 
10.1.1.hosts.denyswat:ALLAre those set up correclty, also my 
/etc/hosts has an entry for localhost.localdomain 127.0
Also my /etc/xinetd.d/samba file looks like 
this
service 
swat{    port    = 
901    
socket_type = 
stream    wait    = 
no    only_from = 
192.168.0.16    
user    = root    # 
server    = 
/usr/sbin/swat    server = 
/usr/sbin/tcpd     server_args  
= /usr/sbin/swat    
log_on_failure  += USERID    
disable = no}
If this is a firewall problem, how do i fix it.  This was all set 
up by the Mandrake 8 Inernet Sharing Program and im somewhat unfamiliar with 
the firewall and its configuration files.Any help would be greatly 
appreciated.Thanks,  Ira Bargon