Re: [newbie] A meaningfull Subject-line would help us all
Very good point here! I for one, only respond to messages that have a subject matter that would interest me, or my knowledge would be helpful. Or if the topic becomes rather lengthy. But at the same time, sometimes it's hard to come up with a topic that really lets the list know what you need. tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "Real Men Use Vi!" Uptime: 2:53am up 3 days, 18:40, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | Hi all | | As a 'taker' from this group rather than a contributer I suppose I have got | a cheek commenting here. I do so in the hope that one day I might have | learned enough to be able to contribute :-) | | I find this list very helpful in my struggle to learn Linux and even though | some of the topics are rather advanced for me at the moment I save them all | for future reference as, I am sure, many others do. | | The big problem is that, as a reference-archive, it sometimes stinks - wth | subject headers such as 'Lets go' and 'Nearly got it' | | Why not pay this superb list the respect it deserves by supressing the | comedian that lurks inside all of us and *always* use a meaningfull Subject | description. Then, even in years to come, we could fairly easily find some | obscure technical solution or whatever. All elementary really. | | If you disagree (perhaps you believe that Linux *should* be as difficult as | possible to learn and that even these helpfull messages should be cryptic) | then fair enough. I'm sorry I mentioned it. | If, on the other hand, you feel that we might all benefit from this | brilliant suggestion then why not give it a try. | Oh yes - and tell a friend :-) | | Incidently, it's normal to courteously ask someone not to use HTML so why | not ask them to use a meaningfull header line for future posts. | | Anything to make life easier. | | Dave S. | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Recover
> I don't have a boot disk. > I believe my partition is currupted .. > > Best Regards, > SKLIM Boot from the #1 install cd, hit F1 and type 'rescue' Perhaps that gets you on the way. Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] This is a linux mailing list
I think the post in question was from one of the mandrake team... and as much as I sympathise with the situation, I agree with them... It is to easy to get into huge arguements about percieved right and wrong... and it really achives nothing except for alot of bad feeling... All the messages about prayer and good will are fine I guess, but when you start debating right and wrong, then its time to go back to linux problems. I don't think anyone has been unsympathetic, but they have probably seem this sort of thing before, people get emotional, and rightly or otherwise, start defending their positions... which leads to arguements, (which we sore the start of in the last couple of days) and name calling and all the other stuff... none of which helps.. So they try to move people on... its not a bad thing, and at least Civilme was nice enough to start another mailing list for the people wanting to talk about it.. No need to be offended by it. just my thoughts.. rgds Frankn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rog Sent: Friday, 14 September 2001 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] This is a linux mailing list On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:15:03 +0200 (CEST), you wrote: > >FYI, I'll take a look at the list tomorrow, and blacklist everyone who is >still talking about politics there. You are still welcome to discuss what >happened in one of these threads: Just curious - do you run this list? You've said twice how you'll "blacklist" anyone still discussing it tomorrow as though you have the ability to have us thrown off the list. If you are just talking about killfiling people, please killfile me now, as I have no need for discussion with you, about Linux or anything else. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Recover
and it mandrake X.XX ? u do have the cd yes - Original Message - From: "SK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux Recover > I don't have a boot disk. > I believe my partition is currupted .. > > Best Regards, > SKLIM > > - Original Message - > From: Michael Falzon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux Recover > > > > Have u try booting off a boot disk ? > > > > how bad is the OS ? > > > > or is it you just can't log in > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "SK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Linux Newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:23 PM > > Subject: [newbie] Linux Recover > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > I need some information how to recover my Linux Server when it was > > currupt. > > > What should I do if my Linux Server cannot login or boot-UP ? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > SKLIM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- -- > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Recover
I don't have a boot disk. I believe my partition is currupted .. Best Regards, SKLIM - Original Message - From: Michael Falzon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux Recover > Have u try booting off a boot disk ? > > how bad is the OS ? > > or is it you just can't log in > > - Original Message - > From: "SK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Linux Newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:23 PM > Subject: [newbie] Linux Recover > > > > Hi! > > > > I need some information how to recover my Linux Server when it was > currupt. > > What should I do if my Linux Server cannot login or boot-UP ? > > > > Best Regards, > > SKLIM > > > > > > > > > > > -- -- > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] This is a linux mailing list
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:15:03 +0200 (CEST), you wrote: > >FYI, I'll take a look at the list tomorrow, and blacklist everyone who is >still talking about politics there. You are still welcome to discuss what >happened in one of these threads: Just curious - do you run this list? You've said twice how you'll "blacklist" anyone still discussing it tomorrow as though you have the ability to have us thrown off the list. If you are just talking about killfiling people, please killfile me now, as I have no need for discussion with you, about Linux or anything else. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Linux Recover
Hi! I need some information how to recover my Linux Server when it was currupt. What should I do if my Linux Server cannot login or boot-UP ? Best Regards, SKLIM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] gnome VS kde
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 08:39:15PM -0500, Dennis Myers wrote: > On Thursday 13 September 2001 20:25, you wrote: > > Funny you should mention that. Isn't there a way to > > move it? I'm scared to death I'm going to hit Lock > > accidentally and then not know how to get back. > > > > > If I recall when you hit lock, you can recover by typing in your user > password. It is a security feature for office settings where you may be > leaving the station for a few minutes and need to secure the computer but > don't want to shut down, so you lock it. HTH ...or as protection from kitten keyboarding ; - ) > -- > Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com <>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>> Mark David Hamilton Registered Linux user 212240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~kimark <>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] filters in Kmail
Greetings all. I have my filters set up in Kmail so that anything with "Newbie" in the subject line or in the "to" field should be sent to another folder. This mostly works, but many posts from this slip through to my inbox. Upon examination, I can see no reason why these misbehaving posts are any different from others that are filtered. I am running LM8. Any ideas? TIA, Peace stan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] port forwarding
Hi All I'm going to down my old 6.1 linux mandrake box but as i'm using this box for ( MAIL and web site ) i need to make sure my new box is up and running, if i can i wound like to forward all web packs from box 1 to 2, 1 by 1 to my new box if someone knows how :-> Thanks Michael FalzonGremlin Consultancy P/L405 Francis StreetBrooklyn, Vic Australia 3025Ph: 61+ 393153855Fax: 61+393151585mobile: 0419235363Registered Linux user #204397
Re: [newbie] gnome VS kde
On Thursday 13 September 2001 20:25, you wrote: > Funny you should mention that. Isn't there a way to > move it? I'm scared to death I'm going to hit Lock > accidentally and then not know how to get back. If I recall when you hit lock, you can recover by typing in your user password. It is a security feature for office settings where you may be leaving the station for a few minutes and need to secure the computer but don't want to shut down, so you lock it. HTH -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] gnome VS kde
On Thursday 13 September 2001 20:25, you wrote: > I'm scared to death I'm going to hit Lock > accidentally and then not know how to get back. Just enter your password. And yeah, I always accidently hit logout in the K menu. Having the most destructive element being placed first in a menu is bad interface design. Matt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] gnome VS kde
Funny you should mention that. Isn't there a way to move it? I'm scared to death I'm going to hit Lock accidentally and then not know how to get back. --- Mark Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not sure, it probably depends on what you feel is > important. For example, > you might call this stupid, but I had it up to here > with accidently clicking > log out menu item in KDE on the Big K menu. Also, > KDE feels a bit sluggish. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Naish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:50 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [newbie] gnome VS kde > > > > > > which are the important differences between them? > > (not the stupid ones, only the important) > > Thanks... > > Jorge > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Save Realplayer stream?
Ok, I am haveing some problems streaming realplayer video. If I can download the video, it plays fine on realplayer. So my question is, is there a way, or utility that can find the link for the java scripts that open the realplayer? If I use the right click menu it usually just saves a javascript or an html link. -- http://home.woh.rr.com/thecraig/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Can't find StarOffice in KDE menu
I even reported this little bug to Star and never heard anything back... I just manually created the links. Ed At 07:07 PM 9/13/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I installed StarOffice.. and it tells me it is installed into the KDE menu. I >restarted my KDE. But it's still not in the KDE menu. How can I make it >appear? > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] PDF files
Ive come across a problem with kghostview PDF viewer. I can view the pdf from a website but after I save it to my hard drive I cannot open it again. It gives me the error kghostview can only open pdf ps or eps files. And then wont open the file even though it is a pdf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Can't find StarOffice in KDE menu
I installed StarOffice.. and it tells me it is installed into the KDE menu. I restarted my KDE. But it's still not in the KDE menu. How can I make it appear? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] gnome VS kde
I think Gnome is more resource hungry. Two examples are xine(a multimedia player) and the command "find" available in both environments. My machine(PIII 600, 256MB-RAM) can run xine at its full speed (200 frames on 200) only under KDE. Also if i try to find a file using the respective tool, KDE is faster. These examples suggest KDE is more SPEED-OPTIMIZED. Obviously this is only my opinion...may be someone agree with me Ragno "The Spider" Stefano. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] installing Bastille
Hi- I just successfully installed Mandrake 8.0 from CD, and now I want to install & configure Bastille. Chapter 13 in the documentation (both online & in the book that came with the CD) states: "The BastilleChooser tool allows inexperienced users to easily secure their machine..." Yet, the documentation does not state WHERE this tool is located...I have not been able to find it on my box. Can someone please tell me how to get to the Bastille Chooser tool. Thanks, Joe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Fwd: FW: Light a Candle for Unity
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: FW: Light a Candle for Unity Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:10:24 -0400 From: "Weis-Tharp, Kimberly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Though terrorists may have struck out at us as Americans, > let us come together and show our unity. Let us show that though our arm > may > have been hurt, they can not dim the heart of America which rages bright. > On Thursday September 13, 2001 at 10:30 pm EST, walk out your door and > light > a candle or lantern to show the world that our spirit burns bright. > Gather > with loved ones or gather with neighbors but let our light burn in the > night > to show that we are united and that we remain strong. > Please pass this on to anyone you know. Print it up and > pass it to neighbors who may not have internet access, post it to message > boards, clubs, news stations, anywhere and everywhere there is a PROUD > American! --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] gnome VS kde
which are the important differences between them? (not the stupid ones, only the important) Thanks... Jorge Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Need help with Squid
I've been using 10.2.1.x for years here, I'll try changing ip's later. Where's the internet connection sharing GUI? I'm using v7.02 On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:02:10 -0400, etharp wrote: >I think it is "OK" but I am not positive if you are using a "reserved for >home lans IP number. where did you get the IP number? I only use 192.168.0.x >numbers myself, with a netmask of 255.255.255.0 >IPtables were installed when I installed, so I am not sure if you can build >them, sorry. might be a "normal" part of the 2.4.x kernal, as installed by >MDK. have you tryied the internet connection sharing GUI? >On Thursday 13 September 2001 15:50, you had thoughts to the concept of: >> Are the IP tables something I'm supposed to build? Does my squid.conf look >> ok to you? If not, can you email yours privately? >> >> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:37:59 -0400, etharp wrote: >> >yep, as i understand it, and I can connect to the net thru my linux dialup >> > to the other wife and kids winder$ boxes with just damn invisable magic. >> > I set to automantically detect setings, no proxy in either the dialup or >> > lan connection, and just connect. the squid is not a proxy as much as a >> > cache. the NAT (Network Address Translation) is done for me by IP tables >> > in any version using a 2.4.x kernel. so the other boxes on my little home >> > net don't even know they have a server. they just connect without >> > considering it. >> > >> >On Thursday 13 September 2001 14:55, you had thoughts to the concept of: >> >> If I do that I can't even get the Access Configuration error - maybe >> >> because it doesn't know about port 3128? Is this supposed to work >> >> without configuring it as a proxy? >> >> >> >> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:24:32 -0400, etharp wrote: >> >> >try turing off the proxy selection in win98 >> >> > >> >> >On Wednesday 12 September 2001 10:55, you had thoughts to the concept >of: >> >> >> I'm trying to configure Squid with the following squid.conf file but >> >> >> I'm getting the following error at the Win98 workstation.. >> >> >> Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed >> >> >> at this time. The workstation's address is 10.2.1.77 and it can ping >> >> >> and Telnet into the Mandrake box - it looks to me to be some kind of >> >> >> permissions problem but I'm totally at a loss - I've read the FAQ and >> >> >> it appears to me that it's set up correctly. What should I try? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> httpd_accel_host virtual >> >> >> httpd_accel_port 80 >> >> >> httpd_accel_with_proxy on >> >> >> httpd_accel_uses_host_header on >> >> >> acl internal src 10.2.1.0/255.255.255.0 >> >> >> http_access allow internal >> >> >> http_access all >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="message.footer" >> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> >> >Content-Description: >> >> > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="message.footer" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Content-Description: > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Need help with Squid
Are the IP tables something I'm supposed to build? Does my squid.conf look ok to you? If not, can you email yours privately? On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:37:59 -0400, etharp wrote: >yep, as i understand it, and I can connect to the net thru my linux dialup to >the other wife and kids winder$ boxes with just damn invisable magic. I set >to automantically detect setings, no proxy in either the dialup or lan >connection, and just connect. the squid is not a proxy as much as a cache. >the NAT (Network Address Translation) is done for me by IP tables in any >version using a 2.4.x kernel. so the other boxes on my little home net don't >even know they have a server. they just connect without considering it. >On Thursday 13 September 2001 14:55, you had thoughts to the concept of: >> If I do that I can't even get the Access Configuration error - maybe >> because it doesn't know about port 3128? Is this supposed to work without >> configuring it as a proxy? >> >> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:24:32 -0400, etharp wrote: >> >try turing off the proxy selection in win98 >> > >> >On Wednesday 12 September 2001 10:55, you had thoughts to the concept of: >> >> I'm trying to configure Squid with the following squid.conf file but >> >> I'm getting the following error at the Win98 workstation.. >> >> Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at >> >> this time. The workstation's address is 10.2.1.77 and it can ping and >> >> Telnet into the Mandrake box - it looks to me to be some kind of >> >> permissions problem but I'm totally at a loss - I've read the FAQ and it >> >> appears to me that it's set up correctly. What should I try? >> >> >> >> >> >> httpd_accel_host virtual >> >> httpd_accel_port 80 >> >> httpd_accel_with_proxy on >> >> httpd_accel_uses_host_header on >> >> acl internal src 10.2.1.0/255.255.255.0 >> >> http_access allow internal >> >> http_access all >> > >> > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="message.footer" >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> >Content-Description: >> > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Greer > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:51 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem > > > on 9/13/01 1:40 PM, Charles A Edwards at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I have had/have 2 different Riva 16MB cards. > > These cards have never supported 24bpp. > > This is by design, not because of the OS being used. > > My card supports 24bpp fine in Windows, although it may be > 32bpp. Are you > saying that 24bpp in particular is not supported or they > won't go beyond > 16bpp? > > Matt > > I was saying that all resolutions are supported except for 24bpp. I could run 32bpp in both linux and windows as well as 16bpp and all lower settins but Not 24bpp. We may have a labeling problem here. Nvidia made a specific line using the Riva 128 chipset usually marketed as Riva TNT it is not a TNT2 card. The only 16mb TNT2 card that I am aware of by Nvidia is the Vanta line although other makers such as Creative do offer a line of Riva TNT2 cards including 1 listed as Riva TNT2 without the Vanta designation, listing under the specs only that it uses the TNT2 engine, no mention of chipset. So after all of that now I am confused. Glad I switched to ATI. Charles (-: Forever never goes beyond tomorrow. And for too many there are now no tomorrows. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Kmid & /dev/sequencer
Dear All, I downloaded a MIDI file a couple of weeks ago and played it with no problems using kmid. Then yesterday I downloaded some .kar files and tried to play them and when I tried kmid I got a message that /dev/sequencer could not be opened. I then tried the MIDI file that I had played successfully a couple of weeks ago and got the same message. I went to the newbie archives for some answers but none have helped so far. My question is why would this have worked at first then all of a sudden not work? What can I do to get this working? I have no trouble with sound in any other area such as playing CD's, xmms, realplayer,etc. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Sincerely, Marcia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mouse/cursor translated
On Thursday 13 September 2001 20:28, Terry Smith wrote: > I've got my home and office machines running LM8.0 (June Update) and > have run into an annoying problem with the box at home. Occasionally > (more often lately), while in a KDE session, my mouse position will be > translated. By that I mean the coordinates shown by the cursor and the > coordinates of the spot actually activated by a mouse click are not the > same. The 'mouse click' location is 1/2" to the left of what the cursor > shows. Fairly annoying at the least and very difficult, if not > impossible, to select from pull down menus, etc. at the worst. > > This happens during the session and can be 'corrrected' by rebooting > (but not by logging out and in). > > So ... what's causing this? > > Is there a way to reorient the mouse without logging out or rebooting? > > TIA. > > Terry Smith > Woods Hole, MA, USA On the second question try ControlCenter-Hardware-Mouse and Mousedrake should recalibrate it. As to what is causing it, have you considered a new mouse? Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] LILO and "welcome screen
On Thursday 13 September 2001 19:32, Valerie Cheng wrote: > Hi, I also want to get rid of the blue welcome bitmap. If you find a > solution off-list, could you please tell me? Thanx. > > > Hi there. I've been quietly testing 8.1 since the first beta. This is > > the first linux distro I've tried in many years of dabbling that I feel > > is compelling enough to switch to (from Windows.) > > > > I'm having several minor problems and have many questions. I thought I'd > > start with something simple =): > > > > 1) When LILO loads, I want to have a simple prompt (boot:) This used to > > be possible with LILO but I can't figure-out what to modify let alone how > > to midfy it to get rid of that colour menu. I figured out how to get rid > > of the text (by editing the message files), but how do I eliminate the > > colour box menu? > > > > 2) I run 1024x768x16bpp at boot so I can see as many of the boot-time > > messages on-screen as possible. Unfortunatly, that lousy blue "welcome" > > bitmap is in the way. How do I get rid of it? OK Go to Mandrake Control Center and open Boot=>Boot Config Uncheck Aurora to see the messages Click "Configure" in the upper right corner and select "LILO with text menu" Then you will be able to follow all the boot processes in text, and you won't have to deal with the Welcom Bitmap that pops up with Graphical LILO or GRUB. Civileme Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] LILO and "welcome screen
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:32:15 -0400 Valerie Cheng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, I also want to get rid of the blue welcome bitmap. If you find a solution > off-list, could you please tell me? Thanx. Simplest way of doing that is uninstall aurora. As root: rpm -e aurora Should fix that bit. > > Hi there. I've been quietly testing 8.1 since the first beta. This is the > > first linux distro I've tried in many years of dabbling that I feel is > > compelling enough to switch to (from Windows.) > > > > I'm having several minor problems and have many questions. I thought I'd > > start with something simple =): > > > > 1) When LILO loads, I want to have a simple prompt (boot:) This used to be > > possible with LILO but I can't figure-out what to modify let alone how to > > midfy it to get rid of that colour menu. I figured out how to get rid of > > the text (by editing the message files), but how do I eliminate the colour > > box menu? > > > > 2) I run 1024x768x16bpp at boot so I can see as many of the boot-time > > messages on-screen as possible. Unfortunatly, that lousy blue "welcome" > > bitmap is in the way. How do I get rid of it? > > > > STIA for the help all. I'll be asking lots of questions to get things > > going well. :-) > > > > > > A comment about what happened in New York: the world is broken, and since > > everything effects everything else in the web of life, we are all culpable. > > Heal yourself, and you'll heal the world. > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="message.footer" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Content-Description: > > > -- "The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected" (The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.) Registered Linux User: 102826ICQ#: 89345394 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] multiple copies of ML messages
I've been getting two copies of several of the messages from this mailing list. For example, Sridhar's replies to my messages: one was what was sent to the list, and one was what he cc'd to me. But I received a third today (the other two came yesterday), which I believe was the same as the first. And several other messages which I did not receive a cc of, I have received twice. Does this happen to anyone else? I'm guessing there's an admin email address I should be sending this message to, but I didn't see one in the welcome messages(s) I received when I joined. Jesse -- !! Jesse C. Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] [___] `|' "I have the simplest tastes. I am always /|\ satisfied with the best." -- Oscar Wilde Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Need help with Squid
If I do that I can't even get the Access Configuration error - maybe because it doesn't know about port 3128? Is this supposed to work without configuring it as a proxy? On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:24:32 -0400, etharp wrote: >try turing off the proxy selection in win98 > > >On Wednesday 12 September 2001 10:55, you had thoughts to the concept of: >> I'm trying to configure Squid with the following squid.conf file but I'm >> getting the following error at the Win98 workstation.. >> Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at >> this time. The workstation's address is 10.2.1.77 and it can ping and >> Telnet into the Mandrake box - it looks to me to be some kind of >> permissions problem but I'm totally at a loss - I've read the FAQ and it >> appears to me that it's set up correctly. What should I try? >> >> >> httpd_accel_host virtual >> httpd_accel_port 80 >> httpd_accel_with_proxy on >> httpd_accel_uses_host_header on >> acl internal src 10.2.1.0/255.255.255.0 >> http_access allow internal >> http_access all > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="message.footer" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Content-Description: > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
on 9/13/01 1:40 PM, Charles A Edwards at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have had/have 2 different Riva 16MB cards. > These cards have never supported 24bpp. > This is by design, not because of the OS being used. My card supports 24bpp fine in Windows, although it may be 32bpp. Are you saying that 24bpp in particular is not supported or they won't go beyond 16bpp? Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie]Dialling out problem
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Adam Cripps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have just installed and am looking forward to > getting on the net with Linux. My modem - (COM2) seems > to be working fine, but when it dials the ISP number I > get a woman on the network (recorded voice) saying > that the number has not been recognised, please try > again. > > I think the problem stems from the fact that for the > ISP (NTL - dialling in the UK) I have to dial a prefix > of 1263 - it might be this that causes problems in the > dialing process. Is there any way of getting a pause > between the 1263 and the rest of the 0800 number? Adam, Your message above is a little confusing... Do you mean that you have to dial 1263 _before_ you can access the general telephone network?? If that's the case it would indicate that the first part of the number (1263) is used to get outside of a PABX (Private Branch Exchange) the internnal telephone system used by a business, and the recorded message comes from the PABX equipment rather than the General network. If you are calling from home, you would only use the 0800-number. If from your work, and your workplace uses a PABX then you have to use the first part as well. It may be that if you add a comma in the dial string after the 1 and another after the 263 part you will get through the PABX exchange. Your dialstring in this case should look like this: ATDT1,263,0800 xxx (the x's for the other numbers) Give this a try and come back to us. (you can also try dialing the nembers from your telephone to see what you get from which ever location you attemting to get access from - you should get noises similar to those you hear from fax machines when you connect to your ISP's modem Cheers John -- "The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected" (The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.) Registered Linux User: 102826ICQ#: 89345394 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:29:07 +0100 Mark Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > I'm running LM 7.2 (usually with KDE). > I've tried using DrakConf - "Change Screen Resolution" with no success. My > hardware is listed in the dropdowns for both graphics card and monitor so I > select them both "Cirrus Login GD544x" and "Gateway 1572FS". > I choose a resolution of 1024 x 768. > Doing a "Show Information" displays the correct hardware AND resolution. > Doing a "Test again" shows 800 x 600 instead of the configured 1024 x 768. > > It simply refuses to change to the required resolution. Mark, I had the same set of problems as you a few weeks ago, and didn't win!! Best I got was 800x600x16 and very poor definition as that. These cards seem to run well in Windows but the Linus drivers seem to be rather short. I swapped out to another card and solved the problem. Cheers John -- "The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected" (The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.) Registered Linux User: 102826ICQ#: 89345394 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Greer > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem > > > on 9/13/01 12:24 PM, Gary Traffanstedt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I have three machines running Mandrake. Two are pc's and > one is an iMac. All > > three run 32 bit at high resolutions. The iMac is at > 1024x768 and the other > > two have 19" monitors so I run them at 1280. I have had > problems in the past > > with various hardware setups and for those just starting > out with Linux, it > > really helps to have common hardware configurations. > > I have a Riva TNT2 with 16MB of RAM. Mandrake recognized the card fine > during install, but when setting the resolution it says 24bpp is not > supported for this card. Also if I try to set my res to > 1280x?? it will > instead keep it at 1024x768 and give me a 1280x?? virtual desktop. > > It's one of those things I keep meaning to get around to but > haven't, since > 16bpp isn't at all bad for general computer use. > > Anyway, if anyone has any ideas for me that'd be great. But I > need to look > into this more myself. I was more making a comment on the > seeming prevalence > of 16bpp displays in Linux rather than asking a question. > > Matt > > I have had/have 2 different Riva 16MB cards. These cards have never supported 24bpp. This is by design, not because of the OS being used. I do not recall any specifics regrading the resolution I choose to use. What you should look at is the Refresh and properties given to your monitor as it is detected in linux. There are generic entries which if used will not allow a resolution greater then 1024x768. You can change to a higher value in the monitor selection but be sure that your monitor is actually capable of handling it. 1 other note as to bpp is that if you choose to use 3D hardware acceleration the the bpp by default is set to 16bpp because most 3D apps,especially games will only run at that bpp setting. Charles (-: Forever never goes beyond tomorrow. And for too many there are now no tommorows. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mouse/cursor translated
I've got my home and office machines running LM8.0 (June Update) and have run into an annoying problem with the box at home. Occasionally (more often lately), while in a KDE session, my mouse position will be translated. By that I mean the coordinates shown by the cursor and the coordinates of the spot actually activated by a mouse click are not the same. The 'mouse click' location is 1/2" to the left of what the cursor shows. Fairly annoying at the least and very difficult, if not impossible, to select from pull down menus, etc. at the worst. This happens during the session and can be 'corrrected' by rebooting (but not by logging out and in). So ... what's causing this? Is there a way to reorient the mouse without logging out or rebooting? TIA. Terry Smith Woods Hole, MA, USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie]Dialling out problem
Thanks again, one and all, as it worked, and I now have access at home. Adam Robert MacLean wrote: > AT is the command used to initialise (turn on) the modem. HTH > > Robert MacLean > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Cripps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie]Dialling out problem > > >> Thanks for such speedy replies! Makes me even more >> glad that I've made the switch! >> >> Unfortunately, I'm at work, (I've no access at home, >> at the mo) so you won't find out if it works, until >> tonight. Sounds like it will thought. >> >> BTW, what is AT? >> >> Thanks again >> Adam >> --- Jamie Kerwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Just adding a comma (,) or 2 after the 1263 should >>> do the trick. >>> >>> Jamie >>> >>> From: Adam Cripps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie]Dialling out problem Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:24:06 -0700 (PDT) I have just installed and am looking forward to getting on the net with Linux. My modem - (COM2) >>> >>> seems >>> to be working fine, but when it dials the ISP >>> >>> number I >>> get a woman on the network (recorded voice) saying that the number has not been recognised, please try again. I think the problem stems from the fact that for >>> >>> the >>> ISP (NTL - dialling in the UK) I have to dial a >>> >>> prefix >>> of 1263 - it might be this that causes problems in >>> >>> the >>> dialing process. Is there any way of getting a >>> >>> pause >>> between the 1263 and the rest of the 0800 number? Running AMDk7 1100 - 288 Mb, 40Gb disk, old >>> >>> Rockwell >>> chip modem and 3dfx Voodoo3 PCI graphics card. Adam __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information >>> >>> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ >>> Want to buy your Pack or Services from >>> >>> MandrakeSoft? >>> Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com >>> >> _ >> >>> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >>> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >>> >>> Want to buy your Pack or Services from >>> >> MandrakeSoft? >> >>> Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com >>> >> >> __ >> Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? >> Donate cash, emergency relief information >> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ >> >> > > > -- > -- > > >> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >> Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com >> > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > message.footer > > Content-Type: > > text/plain > Content-Encoding: > > 8bit > > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
> I have a Riva TNT2 with 16MB of RAM. Mandrake recognized the card fine > during install, but when setting the resolution it says 24bpp is not > supported for this card. Also if I try to set my res to 1280x?? it will > instead keep it at 1024x768 and give me a 1280x?? virtual desktop. > > It's one of those things I keep meaning to get around to but haven't, since > 16bpp isn't at all bad for general computer use. > > Anyway, if anyone has any ideas for me that'd be great. But I need to look > into this more myself. I was more making a comment on the seeming > prevalence of 16bpp displays in Linux rather than asking a question. > > Matt > I just found this not sure if it will help but might be worth a try. Having the latest drivers usually helps. http://www.nvidia.com/us/nn/pg000588.htm Gary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
In reply to Matt's words, written Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:06:57 -0500 >> 16 bit 1024x768. But I cannot rule over your money, of course. >> >What about 24 or 32? Whenever screen res comes up in linux groups--from what >I can see--16 bit seems to be the norm. I'd really like to get at least 24 >bit color on my machine, but I can't get beyond 16. Is this a video card >thing or something about linux itself that forces this restriction? It is mainly a driver thing. And some experience. Lots of applications (Netscape is famous for this) do not like 24bit colors. If your hardware / driver combo support 32bit and you see the difference between 16 and 32 bit, then go for 32 bit. My eyesight is color deficient so I do not need more than 16 bit. That's why I slip into that. Paul -- I have an excellent track record, although I am not a horse. http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.6.1 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
on 9/13/01 12:24 PM, Gary Traffanstedt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have three machines running Mandrake. Two are pc's and one is an iMac. All > three run 32 bit at high resolutions. The iMac is at 1024x768 and the other > two have 19" monitors so I run them at 1280. I have had problems in the past > with various hardware setups and for those just starting out with Linux, it > really helps to have common hardware configurations. I have a Riva TNT2 with 16MB of RAM. Mandrake recognized the card fine during install, but when setting the resolution it says 24bpp is not supported for this card. Also if I try to set my res to 1280x?? it will instead keep it at 1024x768 and give me a 1280x?? virtual desktop. It's one of those things I keep meaning to get around to but haven't, since 16bpp isn't at all bad for general computer use. Anyway, if anyone has any ideas for me that'd be great. But I need to look into this more myself. I was more making a comment on the seeming prevalence of 16bpp displays in Linux rather than asking a question. Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie]Dialling out problem
Hello: Thank you everybody for the quick response. The ifconfig eth0 down has solved my immediate problem, but it does not address my overall issue. Which is fine, since at the time I just wanted to get back to square one and start over. I have two pc's at home. Both of them run windoze 98se, and they are both configured via a LAN for file and printer sharing. In one of my two pc's I have partitioned my hdd and installed LM8.0. I have been hearing of Linux for at least a couple of years and had wanted to give it a shot. I am now trying to configure the Linux partition to re-establish my LAN. So bascially, I am talking about one Win98se box (Linksys nic), connected, via a Linksys switch, to my linux box(Linksys nic). For the most part I use my linux pc as my main interface to the internet (a whopping 28.8 connection speed via modem). Whether each box accesses the internet separately or they both use my connection via the unix box iis immaterial to me. Whichever method seems the most practical will be the method I will use. The other pc is used mostly by my wife to check email and for work. I also use it as a place to keep my back up files. So my main interest would be to have the two pc's connected for file and printer sharing (both printers are currently attached to the linux box). I read the documentation and concluded the Samba software was the answer to my questions. Let me digress for a line or two. While installing LM it looked to me like the nic was recognized and it was using the "tulip" driver. I obtained the information from the Mandrake Control Center (MCC). I Assumed (which in retrospect, might have been a mistake), since LM recognized my nic that I was set to run in Samba. Well, I read the instructions for Samba. I installed the proper files from the LM8.0 cd rom, I made the recommended changes in the smb.conf file, and then executed the smb command (./smb start). When the command was executed, two lines showed up on my terminal each ended with the word "ok". So I was all excited about it. "I be the big kahuna, I know what I am doing." Well, the celebration was short lived. I went to the windoze box and network neighborhood would not recognize the existence of my linux. I check the back of my linux box. The nic has 4 led in the back. When it is working properly (in windows), three of the 4 lights will be on at all times, and the fourth one will light up when the machine is active in the lan. When I checked the light status, only two of the lights were on. I have tried several things and none have worked. I realize I need to set up a p/w for the satellite windows box, but when I log into windows, it does not ask for a password. And is that the password the samba is seeking when trying to connect to the windows box? I also realize the need to set up a user in the linux box which matches the name of the windows system. I am just a bit fuzzy as how to go about it. My windows box is named Jean. So does it mean, I must set up a p/w in the Jean machine when it first boots up, set a user in linux by the name of Jean, assign it a p/w, and then have both p/w to be the same? Am I clear on this, or am I off base? I also thought maybe my nic was not configured. That is when I went into MCC and tried to configure it. As I retraced my steps, I now realize I was configuring it to be my internet connection, which was a blatant mistake on my part. To make matters worse, I set it up with a static ip of 192.168.1.127(which I suspect threw my internet connection for a loop). Fortunately, I was saved from myself by the "ifconfig" command. But now, what do I do to finish setting up my LAN? Poking around MCC, I noticed there is an "expert" way to configure the nic. There it asks what protocol to use, static ip, uchp, and there was a third choice I can't remember. Should I go ahead and set it up for uchp, or static? And then what? Should I give up trying to set this up via MCC (Mandrake Control Center) and do it via the terminal mode? I think I have covered most of it. If you need any further information, I will be more than glad to provide it. Thanks in advance. Regards, Dexter AKA coqui- in #shelter on EFnet. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] LILO and "welcome screen
Hi, I also want to get rid of the blue welcome bitmap. If you find a solution off-list, could you please tell me? Thanx. > Hi there. I've been quietly testing 8.1 since the first beta. This is the > first linux distro I've tried in many years of dabbling that I feel is > compelling enough to switch to (from Windows.) > > I'm having several minor problems and have many questions. I thought I'd > start with something simple =): > > 1) When LILO loads, I want to have a simple prompt (boot:) This used to be > possible with LILO but I can't figure-out what to modify let alone how to > midfy it to get rid of that colour menu. I figured out how to get rid of > the text (by editing the message files), but how do I eliminate the colour > box menu? > > 2) I run 1024x768x16bpp at boot so I can see as many of the boot-time > messages on-screen as possible. Unfortunatly, that lousy blue "welcome" > bitmap is in the way. How do I get rid of it? > > STIA for the help all. I'll be asking lots of questions to get things > going well. :-) > > > A comment about what happened in New York: the world is broken, and since > everything effects everything else in the web of life, we are all culpable. > Heal yourself, and you'll heal the world. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
On Thursday 13 September 2001 12:06, you wrote: > on 9/13/01 5:48 PM, Paul at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In reply to Mark's words, written Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:44:09 +0100 > > > > Looks like your hardware is not happy with more colors. So either you > > have to do with 800x600 or the 8bit technicolor experience. > > > > Can't recall everything. If you are not on a notebook, perhaps a > > different vidcard would help. I use a Geforce II Nvidia something and > > that works well on 16 bit 1024x768. But I cannot rule over your money, of > > course. > > What about 24 or 32? Whenever screen res comes up in linux groups--from > what I can see--16 bit seems to be the norm. I'd really like to get at > least 24 bit color on my machine, but I can't get beyond 16. Is this a > video card thing or something about linux itself that forces this > restriction? > > Matt > > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com I have three machines running Mandrake. Two are pc's and one is an iMac. All three run 32 bit at high resolutions. The iMac is at 1024x768 and the other two have 19" monitors so I run them at 1280. I have had problems in the past with various hardware setups and for those just starting out with Linux, it really helps to have common hardware configurations. I know Linux will run on almost anything, and if you know what your doing and have several hours to kill, most graphic cards will run fine, but for the rest of us, having common setups means less frustration. I had a cheap card that I bought at OfficeMax some time back that I recently tried to use with Mandrake and had a lot of problems. I was able to get it to work but it only supported 800x600 at 256 colors which wasn't very pleasant to look at. I bought a VooDoo 3 from a friend, booted Mandrake, it detected the new card on boot and made the process of installing a new card very easy. Gary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
on 9/13/01 5:48 PM, Paul at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In reply to Mark's words, written Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:44:09 +0100 > > Looks like your hardware is not happy with more colors. So either you have to > do with 800x600 or the 8bit technicolor experience. > > Can't recall everything. If you are not on a notebook, perhaps a different > vidcard would help. I use a Geforce II Nvidia something and that works well on > 16 bit 1024x768. But I cannot rule over your money, of course. > What about 24 or 32? Whenever screen res comes up in linux groups--from what I can see--16 bit seems to be the norm. I'd really like to get at least 24 bit color on my machine, but I can't get beyond 16. Is this a video card thing or something about linux itself that forces this restriction? Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] linux newbie list
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:21:44 +0200, civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Take it Somewhere else" has been the advice. > > It looks like a long haul for some. There is grief and a ritual is in order > to begin the process of recovery. > > Go to www.YahooGroups.com and look for USAunderattack in Multiculturalism. > > Join the group and post away. It is called [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I set it up, and I may look in from time to time. Chief guideline is, > "remain friends" which doesn't mean post nicely but rather be forgiving. > > Civileme For anyone who's interested, here's a direct link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GNUlinuxgrief -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
In reply to Mark's words, written Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:44:09 +0100 Looks like your hardware is not happy with more colors. So either you have to do with 800x600 or the 8bit technicolor experience. Can't recall everything. If you are not on a notebook, perhaps a different vidcard would help. I use a Geforce II Nvidia something and that works well on 16 bit 1024x768. But I cannot rule over your money, of course. Paul >Thanks Paul - I'm now living the Linux experience @ 1024 x 768 in glorious >8! bit technicolour ;-( > >>Do you run 32bit colors? Try 16bit colors then. >>Keep the settings on the conservative end, linux drivers usually do not >push >>the hardware to the extreme limits, contrary to that other software -- I have an excellent track record, although I am not a horse. http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.6.1 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Re: where did the newbie list go?
> I have a DVD ROM drive in the NT machine - is it possible to configure > things so that I can load Linux software on a DVD by reading the NT DVD > drive over the network? Share your DVD drive on your NT box as per usual then use Samba from your Linux box to browse the share. There are Samba HOWTOs on www.mandrakeuser.org. Komba2 is a handy tool making it easier to browse and share files over Samba. You can find a Komba2 rpm at rpmfind.net. Richie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] This is a linux mailing list
Yes this is a Linux mailing list. I am often amazed at how many Linux questions go unanswered and how much time is spemt helping people with general windows questions. I have voiced my opinions about this and the answer I was given, "Do you have a delete key"? So if you are not happy with the attacks on the USA use your delete key and your filters!!! John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Problems configuring network card
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Admin wrote: > Hello: > > Got a problem. I was trying to configure my nic using the Mandrake Control > Center - Connection. I entered the information as best I thought. I am > pretty new at Linux and admitedly some of it was guess work. After I > finished configuring it I rebooted the system. > > When I tried to re-establish my connection to the internet via my modem the > connection was established without any problems. But now none of my internet > applicatons are able to access internet locations. My email program is > timing out, can't access IRC, and web browser also times out. > > I am able to gain full access again, if and only if I physically remove the > nic from the slot in the computer. I suspect, once the modem connects with > the isp, the pc is trying to access the internet via the nic instead of the > modem. It is a theory and the only one I have. Your theory is correct. Since you access the internet via dialup then why do you want to configure your nic card. Unless you want an network with another local computer. Nic cards use coax or 10/100 bt connections. and do not use a tel. modem. > > With the nic installed, I have tried going back to Mandrake's control center, > but when I click on the connection icon, it times out after 15 seconds. So I > can't go back and reconfigure the nic. > > Can somebody guide me on how to get back to where I was before I tried to > configure my nic? I am very new at this. I have read some of the > documentation on configuring network cards, and establishing lan's (my > ultimate goal) but find many of it to deal in generalities. I have had the > system for maybe a couple of weeks and still feel like I am walking blind > through a mind field. Thanks in advance for your help. I believe your problem is with the file; /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0. You need to get logged on as root in a console and as root edit that file. I use pico for those simple editing tasks. In that file you probably have your ISP as your IPADDR, change that to 192.168.1.1, change the NETWORK to 192.168.1.0 and BROADCAST to 192.168.1.255 That is the internal or local isp addresses that Linux normally uses for a local LAN. > Regards, > > Dexter I hope his helps, Warren -- * | Warren Hrach, San Diego, CA 92107 | * * | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux & BBBS on an AMD K5 | * * | BBS at (619}224-4878 | * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one)
Maybe the citizens of nations considered hostile by the US should stand up and realize as long as they support leadership viewed by the US as hostile they are endagering their lives and their families lives. Due to the events in NYC and DC this week THOUSANDS of innocents on both sides will die. It is only a matter of time. Perhaps it is time for other arab states to stand up against leadership such as the Taliban, who are known to harbour terrorists. The US's history speaks for itself. Tens of thousands of innocent Japanese dies after pearl Harbour do you think we will respond any differently this time? Sad isn't it? Whats this got to with Linux anyhow... Peace 0ut and God Bless America! RC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sridhar Dhanapalan Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ronald J. Hall Subject: Re: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one) On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:39:31 -0400, "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > > This is the kind of point that I have been trying to make. As you have said > > "there are always two sides to every issue". In many cases, there are even more > > than two sides and viewpoints. The US media has managed to convince many people > > to believe that all (or many) Palestinians are terrorists, and that they should > > all be killed. If you look at things from the view of the Palestinians, _they_ > > are the ones who are being persecuted. > > I'm confused at this (and I apologise for butting in on this thread, but I > felt I had little choice)... > > I've never felt, seen, or been convinced by the press/media in my country that > ALL Palestinians are terrorists. As bad and misinformed as they are sometimes, > I've just never gotten that from them... Good for you. That is how everyone should be. However, from looking at the posts in places like MandrakeForum.com, it seems as there is a vocal minority who are convinced that the answer to the problem is to bomb the entire Middle East and kill all the Arabs. That is scary, and IMHO these people are even worse than the terrorists. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] linux newbie list
"Take it Somewhere else" has been the advice. It looks like a long haul for some. There is grief and a ritual is in order to begin the process of recovery. Go to www.YahooGroups.com and look for USAunderattack in Multiculturalism. Join the group and post away. It is called [EMAIL PROTECTED] I set it up, and I may look in from time to time. Chief guideline is, "remain friends" which doesn't mean post nicely but rather be forgiving. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] USA this and USA that,w here did the newbie list go?
I've been talking about it at length - in a suitable place. Could all the rest of you go somewhere suitable as well please? Now, can somebody point me at a place where I can get simple words-of-one-syllable advice for setting up Samba so that I can access shares on an NT machine from my KDE/Gnome or whatever desktop please. I have a DVD ROM drive in the NT machine - is it possible to configure things so that I can load Linux software on a DVD by reading the NT DVD drive over the network? John > -Original Message- > From: Matt Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:28 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] USA this and USA that,w here did the newbie list > go? > > > On Wednesday 12 September 2001 23:17, you wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:09:02 +0200, you wrote: > > >Considering this is a Linux newbie list and I have managed > to delete > > >over 150 email regarding the US TERROR ATTACK can we > please drop the > > >subject on this list. some of us do have limited email > space which we > > >pay for! > > > > How about a little sensitivity for those of us who consider > ourselves > > affected by this event? > > This event is unlike anything in US history. People are going > to talk about > this whether others like it or not. > > Matt > > ** Any views expressed in this message are the sender's own, and do not represent the views of Nailsea Family Practice or Woodspring Healthcare Limited except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of one or both of those organisations. This e-mail should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed. Accordingly, we disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences of any person other than the intended recipients acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please accept our apologies and we simply request that you delete this document. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:36:27 -0400, "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > > > In short, neither North nor South Korea were truly "innocent". Both were > > dictatorial regimes which pretended to be "democratic". Each was propped-up by a > > world superpower. It has been fashionable to romanticise about South Korea being > > a democracy that was being unnecessarily attacked by the North, but this is not > > the case. Both nations were simply tools of the Cold War. > > I'm sorry - I missed something here. I appreciate this "fyi" but you didn't > answer my question. Did not N. Korea attack S.Korea and UN forces, including > the US intervene? Regardless of the type of government or religion involved... > > > I don't know much about the Gulf region, but I know that Kuwait is most > > certainly _not_ a democracy. The National Assembly has almost no power, and > > women cannot vote (it is a very Islamic nation, after all). The press is > > strictly censored and controlled. Nevertheless, this small nation are heavily > > backed by the US and other Western nations because of their oil reserves. > > Again, you've missed my original point and observation in this case. > Regardless of their type of government, they were ATTACKED by another country > and then aided by the United States. Do the Kuwaiti (sp? for plural?) people > not have their country back today because of the US? (and if it hadn't been > for the US - who could have or would have done it? If Hussein hadn't been > stopped there, what other country would have been next? Don't get me wrong, I > too feel uncomfortable with my country in a role of "world policeman", but > sometimes, you are needed...I wish it were not so...but -stuff- happens. ;-) You're right. I don't know much on the origins of the Korean War, so I can't really comment. I'm tempted to agree with you that the North attacked the South without provocation (i.e. the generally-held view), but I am reluctant to say anything because I know little about it all. For example, I have read very valid arguments saying that Russia, and not Germany or Austria, started the First World War. Working out the origins of a war is often _far_ more complex than the war itself. A better example would be the situation in Vietnam. After WWII, Ho Chi Minh established his regime in the north while the French re-imposed their rule in the south. The forces of the north, the Viet Minh, finally managed to defeat the French in 1954, but was forced by the US to give up the newly-won south to a US-backed "democratic" government (which in reality was quite authoritarian and brutal). Both sides agreed to have a referendum for reunification in 1956. However, the South Vietnamese, still guided by the United States, refused to sign an agreement or hold elections. This, of course, triggered the Vietnam War. Anyway, I'm so far off topic it's ridiculous (an understatement, I know :-) ). I'll wrap it up there. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one)
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:18:26 -0400, Moses Backman III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 13 September 2001 03:48 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > This is the kind of point that I have been trying to make. As you have said > > "there are always two sides to every issue". In many cases, there are even > > more than two sides and viewpoints. The US media has managed to convince > > many people to believe that all (or many) Palestinians are terrorists, and > > that they should all be killed. If you look at things from the view of the > > Palestinians, _they_ are the ones who are being persecuted. > > > > Things are not as simple as they may seem, and I thank you for sharing your > > views. > > > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:39:07 +0200, "Mohammed Arafa" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > i thank you for reminding us of the people being discriminately > > > massacared in Palestine. of how the Israelis are using guns and armoured > > > vehicles and mortar and missiles against unarmed men, women and children > > > every day. Of how, the Israelis have by force taken away land from their > > > owners, sometimes killing them; the Palestinians, displacing them, , how > > > they have razed homes of the parents of "suspected" freedom fighters, > > > even though those freedom fighters arent there or living there. how they > > > have imprisoned those freedom fighters, on mere suspicion, without > > > rights, without time limits, without age limits (could a 14 old kid be a > > > terrorist?) > > > of how the israelis have taken the opportunity given by the world looking > > > at america to take over more land in Palestine (a whole town yesterday on > > > tuesday). of how the israelis are slowly and surely killing the parties > > > who they are *talking* with in Palestine, may i remind u that the > > > israelis took over the government building of the PNA recently? > > > > > > finally, may i remind u that there are always two sides to every issue: > > > the israelis are after land; from the nile river to the tigris in iraq; > > > whereas the Palestinians are after their very survival: life. > > > > > > thanks for letting me rant on a for a bit > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Michael Spivak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:00 AM > > > Subject: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one) > > > > > > > Please let me remind you again, coz I'm sure many > > > > people did it already, this mail list is about newbies for Linux > > > > and not politic, and not terror. Don't think that I like > > > > what happened there, I was in shock myself. Just > > > > try to think , that people in Israel deals with the situation > > > > every day, all the day, all the week, all the year ... > > > > Now, back to the theme of the letter, try not to send > > > > any letter, that not about the main theme - LINUX. > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > Michael Spivak > > to be perfectly honest, the World Trade Center's 50,000 employees have > nothing to do with what happens in that dirt farm over there. People are > just trying to make a living and are being killed for it. maybe it's ok with > you, but it's not with me. don't try to justify what happened here. there > is no argument you can make that will set this as fair. i say we wreck out > the entire area starting in Afghanistan. when we've made moves it was always > in a way that minimized risk to innocent people. that's who these animals > went after. maybe you were one of the shit heads dancing around when you > heard and saw this. i hope not. i hope i never see you if you were. my > hometown was destroyed by losers and now they should have to pay You really should read _all_ the posts in the thread before responding. I have already expresesed my deepest condolences to the victims and their families. I have also stated that I do _not_ condone such violence, whether it be by the United States, by terrorists, or by someone else. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:53:44 -0700 (PDT), "Jesse C. Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > Perhaps this _is_ just "something that every teenager goes through". I have > > never really disputed that, and I never will. However, I _did_ provide > > evidence in support, and I believe it is quite ridiculous when someone > > posts the equivalent of "you're a moron", without saying why. > > Yes, that does get frustrating. I've pretty much given up on arguments > such as those. :) > > > I never expected everyone to agree with me. I merely intended to offer an > > alternate viewpoint from the standard one put forward by much of the media > > and by many governments worldwide. > > Ah, but you did it with a statement tantamount to "I know more than you." > That's much more than merely offering an alternate viewpoint. I obviously did not intend that, and perhaps I could have worded things a little better :-) > > Most people don't specialise in government and international relations. Most > > people don't read books, articles and journals on these topics very often, > > if at all. Therefore, it is difficult for most people to gain a real grasp > > of the situation. _This_ is the simple point I was trying to make. > > Yes, and that is why I have not disputed most of your points regarding > such things. However, despite what you seem to think, there is much more > to learning than poring through books. Books give you knowledge, but > experience gives you wisdom, including the wisdom to think beyond "standard > Western neoliberal thinking," no matter where you live or were raised. > _Experience_ does not offer only one viewpoint; _an experience_ does. > There is a difference. > > > Would you argue with a doctor over medical treatments? No, because doctors > > generally know much more than the average person in the field of medicine, > > due to training. > > Um, you're 19. Unless you're the Government and International Relations > version of Doogie Howser, you're the equivalent of a second year pre-med > student, not a doctor. :) It was merely an example. I obviously _did_ exaggerate it to make my point clearer. > And to continue with that analogy, I've known > pre-med students who knew less about anatomy and biology than I knew when > I was in high school. So how much you know, or think you know, does not > really matter, because you never know who is going to know more than you. > Therefore, it really is not a good idea to present your points from such > an authoritarian standpoint. > > In other words, perhaps much of the backlash you have received is more a > result of how, not what you said. Present it in a different way, and > maybe more people would have taken it the way you intended. Those that > aren't completely blinded by patriotism, at least. My original aim was simply to get people to _think_ about things and not make rash decisions simply based on instinct and emotion (patriotism, shock, etc.), _not_ to convince them that I am right. I have accepted constructive criticism, such as yours, with open arms, and I shall continue to do so. > Well, it's a possibility, anyhow. > > > Jesse, now two degrees removed from the relevant topic of this list... Thank you for your candid comments. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one)
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:39:31 -0400, "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > > This is the kind of point that I have been trying to make. As you have said > > "there are always two sides to every issue". In many cases, there are even more > > than two sides and viewpoints. The US media has managed to convince many people > > to believe that all (or many) Palestinians are terrorists, and that they should > > all be killed. If you look at things from the view of the Palestinians, _they_ > > are the ones who are being persecuted. > > I'm confused at this (and I apologise for butting in on this thread, but I > felt I had little choice)... > > I've never felt, seen, or been convinced by the press/media in my country that > ALL Palestinians are terrorists. As bad and misinformed as they are sometimes, > I've just never gotten that from them... Good for you. That is how everyone should be. However, from looking at the posts in places like MandrakeForum.com, it seems as there is a vocal minority who are convinced that the answer to the problem is to bomb the entire Middle East and kill all the Arabs. That is scary, and IMHO these people are even worse than the terrorists. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:24:06 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sridhar... > > I have no desire to debate you as it is pointless & a counterproductive > waste of time. Your above statement is true. It is impossible to argue with someone who is stuck in their ways and unwilling to even _consider_ alternate viewpoints. I only wished for people to _consider_ different ideas, not to necessarily accept them. Your stubbornness makes you appear to be incapable of doing even this. > Others are going to love to engage you in this and already you've > received rebuttals which encompass both my sentiments and feelings. Rich > did a pretty good job. He most certainly did, and I have lauded him for it. So why must _you_ be so incapable of being as civilised and articulate as he? > This however makes you no less or more than what you are... Full of > yourself. I provided a reason for my views. In return, you have called me names, without providing _any_ reason whatsoever, as if you were three years old. I would say that _you_ are full of yourself. Once again, I invite you to actually _prove_ me wrong. > Time is a teacher that no one is able to resist. I never discounted the role of experience; I merely indicated that there are other factors which must be considered which experience alone cannot address. Tell me, what experience do _you_ have of Afghanistan or the Taleban? I have mentioned this before, and you have conveniently sidestepped this (along with all my other arguments) as if you were some sort of spin doctor. > -JMS I shall try to leave things there (I tried before, but you persisted). I do not wish for Deno to take me off this list for continuing an off-topic thread. > |-Original Message- > |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sridhar > |Dhanapalan > |Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:40 AM > |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > |Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK > | > | > |On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:07:49 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez" > |<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > |wrote: > |> > |> God are you full of yourself... -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
Title: RE: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem Thanks Paul - I'm now living the Linux experience @ 1024 x 768 in glorious 8! bit technicolour ;-( >Do you run 32bit colors? Try 16bit colors then. >Keep the settings on the conservative end, linux drivers usually do not push >the hardware to the extreme limits, contrary to that other software Paul
RE: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!
Sridhar You are itching for something to rebut, for something to refute. This does nothing to make your statements or facts correct, appropriate or thoughtful nor help matters at all. Let someone else give stroke your ego. I don't care to. You simply don't "get it". -JMS Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] This is a linux mailing list
On Thursday 13 September 2001 08:53 am, you wrote: > on 9/13/01 8:15 AM, Charles A Edwards at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >> Denis HAVLIK > >> > >> > >> Hi, folks > >> > >> While I do agree that recent airplane flights which missed > >> their intended > >> destinations and bumped in WTC and pentagon ARE extremely interesting > >> subjects for discussion, it is time to remind you that this is a > >> LINUX-MANDRAKE related mailing list. > > > > But I find your above comment trivializing the terrorist > > attack and the death of what now looks to be more than 6000 > > people as being patently offensive > > Denis' comment was simply immature, and of course very offensive as well. > That's the kind of thing that people hide behind their computers to say. > > Matt > Offensive, rude, inconsiderate and just plain mean spirited. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] This is a linux mailing list
> -Original Message- > From: Denis HAVLIK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:15 AM > To: Charles A Edwards > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [newbie] This is a linux mailing list > > > > Charles, > > Your ignorance makes me sick. > > FYI, I come from a country which suffered in a very filthy > war in 90-s, > Several percents of the population were killed, and ca 20-30% of the > people were forced to flee their homes (most never returned). In > fact, war has been so bad that no one has the guts to do a population > census yet. > > Family of my wife has been terorised for years, their possesions were > taken away, they were denied right to work (and thus earn a > living), and > only providence saved her father from death - simply because > they refused > to go away from a town where they were born and lived all their life. > The rest of her family is today either dispersed all over the > world (only > her parents stayed where they were), or dead. > My family was luckier (they lived on a "right" place for our > nationality): > they had to go trough a period of dispair and luck of money, > but none of > them was physically in danger except for my oncel. > > Still, I never insisted on discussing that in a linux mailing list , > simply because this is not appropriate place to do it. > I was not discussing the Events on this list. I was addressing the comment that YOU, a Mandrakesoft employee, made regrading said events. True, I knew nothing of your history so of that then yes I, by definition am ignorant. But being apprised of said history it make your comment " that recent airplane flights which missed their intended destinations and bumped in WTC and pentagon" even more macabre. You made this comment, not I or someother who wished to provoke this discussion. If what I said, to you showed sickening ignorance, what, with your history, do your words show of you. Your point as to the purpose of this list and the actions you would take starting tomorrow were complete unto themself. They did not require the preface which I found objectionable. Do me one favor. Read your post again. Not as you wrote it, but as someone such as I who has been deeply affected by the events would read it. If you find nothing with which someone might take umbrage so be it. Nothing more need be said. Charles A Edwards Forever never goes beyond tomorrow. And for too many there are now no tommorows. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] This is a linux mailing list
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Charles A Edwards wrote: + I was not discussing the Events on this list. + I was addressing the comment that YOU, a Mandrakesoft + employee, made regrading said events. + + True, I knew nothing of your history so of that then + yes I, by definition am ignorant. + + But being apprised of said history it make your comment + " that recent airplane flights which missed their intended + destinations and bumped in WTC and pentagon" + even more macabre. Ah, you mean that? Well, a war makes you somewhat cynical, that's the way to keep the sanity. Sorry for that, I do care about people who lost their lives, I just don't have a habit of expressing it very loudly. cu Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlik http://MandrakeForum.com Mandrakesoft ||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Community (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) --oOO--(_)--OOo- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Attention for everybody
On Wednesday 12 September 2001 11:18 pm, Greg G wrote: > no it is not the city of god > > __ > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > Donate cash, emergency relief information > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ it's "the city of York" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one)
On Thursday 13 September 2001 03:48 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > This is the kind of point that I have been trying to make. As you have said > "there are always two sides to every issue". In many cases, there are even > more than two sides and viewpoints. The US media has managed to convince > many people to believe that all (or many) Palestinians are terrorists, and > that they should all be killed. If you look at things from the view of the > Palestinians, _they_ are the ones who are being persecuted. > > Things are not as simple as they may seem, and I thank you for sharing your > views. > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:39:07 +0200, "Mohammed Arafa" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > i thank you for reminding us of the people being discriminately > > massacared in Palestine. of how the Israelis are using guns and armoured > > vehicles and mortar and missiles against unarmed men, women and children > > every day. Of how, the Israelis have by force taken away land from their > > owners, sometimes killing them; the Palestinians, displacing them, , how > > they have razed homes of the parents of "suspected" freedom fighters, > > even though those freedom fighters arent there or living there. how they > > have imprisoned those freedom fighters, on mere suspicion, without > > rights, without time limits, without age limits (could a 14 old kid be a > > terrorist?) > > of how the israelis have taken the opportunity given by the world looking > > at america to take over more land in Palestine (a whole town yesterday on > > tuesday). of how the israelis are slowly and surely killing the parties > > who they are *talking* with in Palestine, may i remind u that the > > israelis took over the government building of the PNA recently? > > > > finally, may i remind u that there are always two sides to every issue: > > the israelis are after land; from the nile river to the tigris in iraq; > > whereas the Palestinians are after their very survival: life. > > > > thanks for letting me rant on a for a bit > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Michael Spivak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:00 AM > > Subject: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one) > > > > > Please let me remind you again, coz I'm sure many > > > people did it already, this mail list is about newbies for Linux > > > and not politic, and not terror. Don't think that I like > > > what happened there, I was in shock myself. Just > > > try to think , that people in Israel deals with the situation > > > every day, all the day, all the week, all the year ... > > > Now, back to the theme of the letter, try not to send > > > any letter, that not about the main theme - LINUX. > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Michael Spivak to be perfectly honest, the World Trade Center's 50,000 employees have nothing to do with what happens in that dirt farm over there. People are just trying to make a living and are being killed for it. maybe it's ok with you, but it's not with me. don't try to justify what happened here. there is no argument you can make that will set this as fair. i say we wreck out the entire area starting in Afghanistan. when we've made moves it was always in a way that minimized risk to innocent people. that's who these animals went after. maybe you were one of the shit heads dancing around when you heard and saw this. i hope not. i hope i never see you if you were. my hometown was destroyed by losers and now they should have to pay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] USA this and USA that,w here did the newbie list go?
>From: Rog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [newbie] USA this and USA that,w here did the newbie list go? >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:17:18 -0400 > >On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:09:02 +0200, you wrote: > > >Considering this is a Linux newbie list and I have managed to delete > >over 150 email regarding the US TERROR ATTACK can we please drop the > >subject on this list. some of us do have limited email space which we > >pay for! > > > > >How about a little sensitivity for those of us who consider ourselves >affected by this event? > >peace, > >Rog > hey.. i think it's absolutely right to discuss the terrorist attack.. but how about opening a different mailing list for that issue or others not regarding linux? i'm shocked by it too, and the things said about this in this list are (mostly) well said, make sense and i understand the feeligs.. i don't want anyone to think it does not concern me, but it could be a better idea to do this somewhere else.. bye. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie]Dialling out problem
AT is the Hayes command for Attention. For example, ATDT12345 means "Attention, Dial, Tone calling, 12345" ATDP is "Attention, Dial, Pulse calling" and so on... Steve Flynn NOP Data Migration Ops Analyst * 01603 687386 -Original Message- From: Jamie Kerwick [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [newbie]Dialling out problem AT in what repect ? Do you mean as in AT modem commands? Not sure what it stands for but they are commands that are sent to the modem in the process of dialing, they can also be sent to change settings in the modem, ie set speaker level, etc. Jamie >From: Adam Cripps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [newbie]Dialling out problem >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:41:16 -0700 (PDT) > >Thanks for such speedy replies! Makes me even more >glad that I've made the switch! > >Unfortunately, I'm at work, (I've no access at home, >at the mo) so you won't find out if it works, until >tonight. Sounds like it will thought. > >BTW, what is AT? > >Thanks again >Adam >--- Jamie Kerwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just adding a comma (,) or 2 after the 1263 should > > do the trick. > > > > Jamie > > > > > > >From: Adam Cripps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: [newbie]Dialling out problem > > >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 04:24:06 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >I have just installed and am looking forward to > > >getting on the net with Linux. My modem - (COM2) > > seems > > >to be working fine, but when it dials the ISP > > number I > > >get a woman on the network (recorded voice) saying > > >that the number has not been recognised, please try > > >again. > > > > > >I think the problem stems from the fact that for > > the > > >ISP (NTL - dialling in the UK) I have to dial a > > prefix > > >of 1263 - it might be this that causes problems in > > the > > >dialing process. Is there any way of getting a > > pause > > >between the 1263 and the rest of the 0800 number? > > > > > >Running AMDk7 1100 - 288 Mb, 40Gb disk, old > > Rockwell > > >chip modem and 3dfx Voodoo3 PCI graphics card. > > > > > >Adam > > > > > > > > >__ > > >Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > > >Donate cash, emergency relief information > > > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from > > MandrakeSoft? > > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > >_ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from >MandrakeSoft? > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > >__ >Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? >Donate cash, emergency relief information >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp << File: message.footer >> ** This email and any files sent with it are intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient please telephone/email the sender immediately. You should not disclose the content or take/retain/distribute any copies. ** Norwich Union Life & Pensions Limited Registered Office 2 Rougier Street York YO90 1UU Registered in England Number 3253947 A member of the Norwich Union Marketing Group which is regulated by the Personal Investment Authority. Member of the Association of British Insurers. For further Enquires 01603 622200 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] This is a linux mailing list
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Charles A Edwards wrote: + Denis + + I agree that this is a linux list and that there are better + forums for the discussion of the events of 9/11/2001 and as + such I have reframed from making any comments, till now. + + But I find your above comment trivializing the terrorist + attack and the death of what now looks to be more than 6000 + people as being patently offensive. Charles, Your ignorance makes me sick. FYI, I come from a country which suffered in a very filthy war in 90-s, Several percents of the population were killed, and ca 20-30% of the people were forced to flee their homes (most never returned). In fact, war has been so bad that no one has the guts to do a population census yet. Family of my wife has been terorised for years, their possesions were taken away, they were denied right to work (and thus earn a living), and only providence saved her father from death - simply because they refused to go away from a town where they were born and lived all their life. The rest of her family is today either dispersed all over the world (only her parents stayed where they were), or dead. My family was luckier (they lived on a "right" place for our nationality): they had to go trough a period of dispair and luck of money, but none of them was physically in danger except for my oncel. Still, I never insisted on discussing that in a linux mailing list , simply because this is not appropriate place to do it. Mandrakesoft mailing lists are to an extent open for non-related discussions, but at the moment when people start complaining about never-ending discussions which aren't related to linux I'm required to put an end to it. FYI, I'll take a look at the list tomorrow, and blacklist everyone who is still talking about politics there. You are still welcome to discuss what happened in one of these threads: http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1169&lang=en http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1170&lang=en http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1171&lang=en cu Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlik http://MandrakeForum.com Mandrakesoft ||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Community (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) --oOO--(_)--OOo- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 8.0 & Mac G3
Anyone know how to configure the built in Ethernet on the beige G3 for Mandrake 8.0? Any advice would be appreciated. Mike Carlson http://www.domitianx.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought Of The Moment: "My software never has bugs. It just develops random features." Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] This is a linux mailing list
on 9/13/01 8:15 AM, Charles A Edwards at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> Denis HAVLIK >> >> Hi, folks >> >> While I do agree that recent airplane flights which missed >> their intended >> destinations and bumped in WTC and pentagon ARE extremely interesting >> subjects for discussion, it is time to remind you that this is a >> LINUX-MANDRAKE related mailing list. > But I find your above comment trivializing the terrorist > attack and the death of what now looks to be more than 6000 > people as being patently offensive Denis' comment was simply immature, and of course very offensive as well. That's the kind of thing that people hide behind their computers to say. Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
This is all assuming that it was bin Laden. If it was, we need to look at his motives. I think we will find that his motives are not much different from ours if we decide to go kill a bunch of innocents. Quoting "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > jennifer wrote: > > > > Don't get me wrong...by justice I don't mean that be passive. I just > think > > its wrong to go after (speculation) Afghanastan as a country and kill > more > > innocents due to a faction of people taking refuge there. But how else to > get > > to him? > > > > Its just a big dilemna...Does innocent Afgannies (sp?) dying mean justice > for > > us if we get the man responsble?? > > Hi Jennifer. I understand your concerns. However, IMHO, if a country or > organization deliberately houses/harbors/shelters those who would do > something > like this, then all bets are off... > > Think about it this way...say it is the leading candidate right now, and he > is > in Afghanistan. We go in, do what is necessary, and as is the case many > times > (he will be hiding in some place with innocents around him, shielding him, > like Hussein) some innocents die...BUT next year, this man, this monster is > not able to repeat his actions and kill 10,000 or a 100,000 (what if he had > used chemical agents? Do you think he is too moral to do that?) Is the gain > not worth it? > > (all this is a "supposing it is you-know-who scenario) > > I fully agree its a very hard subject and I have mixed emotions as well, but > I > fully support the action that REMOVES this threat. > > > An interesting note on todays events.It's international peace day. > God > > help us. > > There's some serious irony for you... ;-( > > Later... > > > /\ > Dark> \/ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
> Hi > I'm running LM 7.2 (usually with KDE). > I've tried using DrakConf - "Change Screen Resolution" with no success. My > hardware is listed in the dropdowns for both graphics card and monitor so I > select them both "Cirrus Login GD544x" and "Gateway 1572FS". > I choose a resolution of 1024 x 768. > Doing a "Show Information" displays the correct hardware AND resolution. > Doing a "Test again" shows 800 x 600 instead of the configured 1024 x 768. Do you run 32bit colors? Try 16bit colors then. Keep the settings on the conservative end, linux drivers usually do not push the hardware to the extreme limits, contrary to that other software Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one)
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > This is the kind of point that I have been trying to make. As you have said > "there are always two sides to every issue". In many cases, there are even more > than two sides and viewpoints. The US media has managed to convince many people > to believe that all (or many) Palestinians are terrorists, and that they should > all be killed. If you look at things from the view of the Palestinians, _they_ > are the ones who are being persecuted. I'm confused at this (and I apologise for butting in on this thread, but I felt I had little choice)... I've never felt, seen, or been convinced by the press/media in my country that ALL Palestinians are terrorists. As bad and misinformed as they are sometimes, I've just never gotten that from them... -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > In short, neither North nor South Korea were truly "innocent". Both were > dictatorial regimes which pretended to be "democratic". Each was propped-up by a > world superpower. It has been fashionable to romanticise about South Korea being > a democracy that was being unnecessarily attacked by the North, but this is not > the case. Both nations were simply tools of the Cold War. I'm sorry - I missed something here. I appreciate this "fyi" but you didn't answer my question. Did not N. Korea attack S.Korea and UN forces, including the US intervene? Regardless of the type of government or religion involved... > I don't know much about the Gulf region, but I know that Kuwait is most > certainly _not_ a democracy. The National Assembly has almost no power, and > women cannot vote (it is a very Islamic nation, after all). The press is > strictly censored and controlled. Nevertheless, this small nation are heavily > backed by the US and other Western nations because of their oil reserves. > > -- > Sridhar Dhanapalan. > "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: > LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." > -- Jeremy S. Anderson Again, you've missed my original point and observation in this case. Regardless of their type of government, they were ATTACKED by another country and then aided by the United States. Do the Kuwaiti (sp? for plural?) people not have their country back today because of the US? (and if it hadn't been for the US - who could have or would have done it? If Hussein hadn't been stopped there, what other country would have been next? Don't get me wrong, I too feel uncomfortable with my country in a role of "world policeman", but sometimes, you are needed...I wish it were not so...but -stuff- happens. ;-) -- /\ Dark> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Screen Resolution Problem
Title: Screen Resolution Problem Hi I'm running LM 7.2 (usually with KDE). I've tried using DrakConf - "Change Screen Resolution" with no success. My hardware is listed in the dropdowns for both graphics card and monitor so I select them both "Cirrus Login GD544x" and "Gateway 1572FS". I choose a resolution of 1024 x 768. Doing a "Show Information" displays the correct hardware AND resolution. Doing a "Test again" shows 800 x 600 instead of the configured 1024 x 768. It simply refuses to change to the required resolution. Any ideas? Thanks Mark
Re: [newbie] USA this and USA that,w here did the newbie list go?
you know what, you're right. Fuck the 6000 people who will fill the extra bodybags Mayor Guiliani (sp) asked for, let's all deal with your limited e-mail space problem. TELL ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, TBS AND EVERY OTHER BROADCASTER COVERING THE STORY TO STOP. THIS GUY PROBABLY WANTED TO SEE A GAME LAST NIGHT AND HE'S ONLY GOT LIMITED TIME FOR THE TV. HELL, LET'S STOP DIGGING OUT BODIES AND SHIPPING OFF APPENDAGES WE'VE GOT A REAL PROBLEM HERE - THIS GUY HAS TO DELETE 150+ E-MAILS AND HE'S ONLY GOT LIMITED SPACE. how about you read the friggin' MUO or MUF archives. or, here's a thought. GET A JOB maybe then you can afford an ISP who'll give you a reasonable cap on e-mail. see this is the kind of selfish, penny-annie bullshit attitude that got us here in the first place. it's always about us. we don't want to be inconvienced by airport restrictions, by war, or by e-mail. i say that it's time to snatch our collective head out of our ass, take back the olive branch we always want to hold out and give the world the finger as we do some major ass-kicking. On Thursday 13 September 2001 12:17 am, Rog wrote: > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:09:02 +0200, you wrote: > >Considering this is a Linux newbie list and I have managed to delete > >over 150 email regarding the US TERROR ATTACK can we please drop the > >subject on this list. some of us do have limited email space which we > >pay for! > > How about a little sensitivity for those of us who consider ourselves > affected by this event? > > peace, > > Rog <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!
Sridhar... I have no desire to debate you as it is pointless & a counterproductive waste of time. Others are going to love to engage you in this and already you've received rebuttals which encompass both my sentiments and feelings. Rich did a pretty good job. This however makes you no less or more than what you are... Full of yourself. Time is a teacher that no one is able to resist. -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sridhar |Dhanapalan |Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:40 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK | | |On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:07:49 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez" |<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |wrote: |> |> God are you full of yourself... | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
By the same token, those Canucks are a DAMN GOOD neighbor... Boarder checkpoints to the north are almost pointless. -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of jennifer |Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:37 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; KL, Kiran |Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA | | | | | |>This, from a Canadian newspaper, no less, is worth |sharing. |> |> |>America: The Good Neighbor. |> |> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The 2nd Mandrake 8 CD
On Wednesday 12 September 2001 23:08, Mr S Ganesan wrote: > dear sir, > Could u kindly give me the site from where i can download MK linux 8.1? I don't believe that 8.1 is out yet. When the *final* release is out, go to www.linux-mandrake.com or www.mandrakesoft.com. It is very big (2x650mb) if you are using a modem connection. George Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!
Yes. This is exactly the point. -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jesse C. Chang |Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:18 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK | | |Jose M. Sanchez wrote: | |> God are you full of yourself... | |Like civileme said previously (I think it was him), both sides |have a kernel of truth in them. He (Sridhar) is not entirely |off-base. What Americans percieve as an act of evil might |very well be considered a blow against evil by many Muslims, |much like the Crusades were by the Christians of the Middle |Ages. It's pretty ridiculous the way people can justify the |atrocities they commit as being in the name of their God (I'm |not saying that is definitely the case here, but it is a possiblity). | |However, I have to agree that his attitude leaves something to |be desired. But it's something that every teenager goes |through. I know I've been there, thinking I am somehow more |knowledgeable than most everyone else just because I learned |something new. In a few years, real world experience will |give him a wake-up call, and he'll realize that, as he becomes |older and wiser, just how much he doesn't know. And I mean |beyond just saying, "I don't claim to know everything," which |is absolutely meaningless, especially when immediately |followed by, "but I know more than most people." | | |Jesse | |-- | !! Jesse C. Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [___] | `|' "I have the simplest tastes. I am always | /|\ satisfied with the best." -- Oscar Wilde | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] How do you load Mandrake 7.0 on a system already running Win2000 pro?
I'm currently trying to install Mandrake 7.0 on a P3 450 with 196meg, Matrx Video 32meg Video Card, Soundblaster Live, Mitsumi CDRW, I have two IBM harddrive and have partitioned the primary using FAT16 partitions, I have installed win2000 on the second disk and this is partitioned using NTFS and Fat32. I try to install Mandrake as I am just new and want to get away from Microsoft crap. When installing it recognises every thin, the when initialising ramdisk it just hangs. I don't think it is a hardware fault as every thing appears to be compatible from searches I have done. Any body have any suggestions? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!
On Thursday 13 September 2001 12:39 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > Mr Buckner, > > This is exactly what I was after -- a _constructive_ rebuttal based on > fact, not hearsay, emotion or "experience". As I have tried to make clear, > there is never _one_ view of things, particularly in the social sciences > (such as this). You obviously believe differently to myself, and you have > been able to articulate your views clearly. For that I applaud you. In > contrast to what some may think, it was never my intention to force my view > upon others, but rather to convince people to be more open-minded about > such matters. I have reread the portions of my posts which you have quoted, > and I have taken note of some of your observations so that I may learn from > them. While you make some very valid points (supported by some good > evidence), I cannot agree with most of your argument. Nevertheless, I > respect your view, for it is clear that you have carefully thought it over. > > > Regards, > > Sridhar. > Sridhar (if I may call you that, and I would like to in light of your response), Thank you for your response. In my view, and, from your post I believe in your view as well, there is no "right" answer on the issues we have discussed. I am very glad that you are willing to consider the points I have tried to make, and have no problem at all if you decide to reject them after consideration. What I really wanted, and want, is to open a dialogue with each of us considering the other's point of view, recognizing that reasonable minds may differ. I hope that, as events go forward, you will keep in mind the points I have tried to make and continue to evaluate and re-evaluate their merits. Just to provide you with some context, I was actually shocked at the depth of feeling that recent events and your posts have evoked in me since I have spent most of my life complaining about my government's policies. I was one of the hippies in the streets in the late 1960's protesting my government's stance in Viet Nam. I was one of the happiest people alive when Nixon was impeached. In short, I am a very unlikely person to post to a newsgroup a defense of my country's policies and actions. Watching the film of the attack on 9/11, and reading your posts, however, have caused me to think very hard on the US and how I feel about my country. Doing so reminded me that I truly do love my country. I doubt that any country, other than perhaps the USSR, has ever lived under the constant threat of nuclear annihilation, something I have not thought about for a very long time. When I was six, seven, and eight years old (the late 1950s and very early 1960s), we used to have drills in school about what to do in the event of a nuclear attack (obviously from Russia since, at the time, no one else had nuclear weapons). During those drills, we were to get under our desks at school. Today, we all know that the idea that we would survive a nuclear attack if we got under our school desks, but we would not if we failed to do so, is ridiculous. In fact, the whole idea is so silly that it led to parody charts setting out all the steps we followed during our drills and adding one more step: in the event of nuclear attack, we should follow the steps we practiced in school and, after doing so, we should bend over real far and "kiss our a$$s goodbye." That thought -- that we could be annihilated by the USSR -- always colored US policy before the end of the Cold War. It also, undeniably, led to some bad choices about who to support in certain other countries. I still do not believe those choices were made in bad faith or out of unreasonable selfishness. I think those choices were made out of fear and self-preservation. In any event, I am delighted by your post. From a different post, I see that you are young. Being young is the best thing so long as you keep an open mind, evaluate new facts as you receive them, and constantly reevaluate your views based on information as you receive it. Please don't formulate opinions now and believe that you must defend them as a matter of personal honor. You are obviously an intelligent person; use that intelligence to constantly acquire new facts, to evaluate those facts objectively, and to modifiy your views, if appropriate, based on new information. Please understand that the people of the United States. like the people of every country I have visited, are, individually, well-meaning. That is why indiscriminate terrorist attacks are so bad. I am glad we had this dialog. I truly would be interested in citations to reading material that you believe supports the viewpoints you have expressed as I think consideration of other viewpoints, even if you regard them as wrong, is always a useful intellectual exercise. To be honest, if I disagree with those materials, I would enjoy the exercise of reviewing them and deciding in my own mind why they are
RE: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one)
> of how the Israelis are using guns and armoured vehicles and >mortar and missiles against unarmed men, women and children every day ??? Do you live here ? Did you sow thos "Unarmed men,woman and children" ??? I do live here, and i do see all those armed very well and firing on me ! So stop telling me what is true and what isn't !!! Do you know that 14 years old can be a terrorist , becouse his parents tell him (i heard it myself) - "Go and kill those Israely basterds, dogs" >how the israelis have taken the opportunity given by the world looking at >america to take over more land in Palestine (a whole town yesterday on >tuesday). Did you know that those "peacfully" palestinians killed with cold blood 2 peoples ? A women 45 years old !!! Off course you'll say that she drived a tank, and went to kill some more palestinians I'have only one thing to tell you : Don't tell stuff, before you see something yourself !! It's my brothers and sisters the palestinians kills every day, BTW in exact way the terrorists did in America - blowing cars, blowing kamikaze, shooting on us from behind walls on the roads So please stop cry for something you don't know nothing about Please don't let you think that i have something personal against you, palestinians or any other people in the world, it's just the world television that "like" the israelians, adn shows only what they want to show. You want to see it yourself - Come to israel and live a week in the Israely side, then a week in the palestinian then we'll talk again. Please don't reply on this before you visit Israel Thanks in advance. Michael Spivak -Original Message- From: Mohammed Arafa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one) i thank you for reminding us of the people being discriminately massacared in Palestine. of how the Israelis are using guns and armoured vehicles and mortar and missiles against unarmed men, women and children every day. Of how, the Israelis have by force taken away land from their owners, sometimes killing them; the Palestinians, displacing them, , how they have razed homes of the parents of "suspected" freedom fighters, even though those freedom fighters arent there or living there. how they have imprisoned those freedom fighters, on mere suspicion, without rights, without time limits, without age limits (could a 14 old kid be a terrorist?) of how the israelis have taken the opportunity given by the world looking at america to take over more land in Palestine (a whole town yesterday on tuesday). of how the israelis are slowly and surely killing the parties who they are *talking* with in Palestine, may i remind u that the israelis took over the government building of the PNA recently? finally, may i remind u that there are always two sides to every issue: the israelis are after land; from the nile river to the tigris in iraq; whereas the Palestinians are after their very survival: life. thanks for letting me rant on a for a bit - Original Message - From: "Michael Spivak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:00 AM Subject: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one) > > Please let me remind you again, coz I'm sure many > people did it already, this mail list is about newbies for Linux > and not politic, and not terror. Don't think that I like > what happened there, I was in shock myself. Just > try to think , that people in Israel deals with the situation > every day, all the day, all the week, all the year ... > Now, back to the theme of the letter, try not to send > any letter, that not about the main theme - LINUX. > > TIA > > Michael Spivak > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] connecting 2 pc's to a linux server
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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:17:37 -0700 (PDT), "Jesse C. Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jose M. Sanchez wrote: > > > God are you full of yourself... > > Like civileme said previously (I think it was him), both sides have a > kernel of truth in them. He (Sridhar) is not entirely off-base. What > Americans percieve as an act of evil might very well be considered a > blow against evil by many Muslims, much like the Crusades were by the > Christians of the Middle Ages. It's pretty ridiculous the way people > can justify the atrocities they commit as being in the name of their > God (I'm not saying that is definitely the case here, but it is a > possiblity). Exactly. It depends on how you see things. For example, the motives (and hence the root of the problem) of the Taliban (or whoever did it) _cannot_ be understood with standard Western neoliberal thinking. They are _not_ Western, and they are certainly _not_ neoliberal. > However, I have to agree that his attitude leaves something to be > desired. But it's something that every teenager goes through. I know > I've been there, thinking I am somehow more knowledgeable than most > everyone else just because I learned something new. In a few years, > real world experience will give him a wake-up call, and he'll realize > that, as he becomes older and wiser, just how much he doesn't know. Perhaps this _is_ just "something that every teenager goes through". I have never really disputed that, and I never will. However, I _did_ provide evidence in support, and I believe it is quite ridiculous when someone posts the equivalent of "you're a moron", without saying why. I never expected everyone to agree with me. I merely intended to offer an alternate viewpoint from the standard one put forward by much of the media and by many governments worldwide. If one disagrees after actually _considering_ it with an open mind, then fine. But if somebody says "I'm older than you, I have more experience, you're wrong" without giving a real reason, I only get the impression that this person has no independent thought whatsoever, and that they are reacting simply based on emotion, not on independent thought or reason. > And I mean beyond just saying, "I don't claim to know everything," > which is absolutely meaningless, especially when immediately followed > by, "but I know more than most people." Most people don't specialise in government and international relations. Most people don't read books, articles and journals on these topics very often, if at all. Therefore, it is difficult for most people to gain a real grasp of the situation. _This_ is the simple point I was trying to make. Would you argue with a doctor over medical treatments? No, because doctors generally know much more than the average person in the field of medicine, due to training. > Jesse -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:07:49 -0400, "Jose M. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > God are you full of yourself... Sounds more like the other way around. I substantiated my arguments with fact and reason. If you doubt any of it, try looking it up in something _reputable_. You, on the other hand, appear to be incapable of articulating yourself in such a situation, possibly blinded by your emotions and by what you call "experience". I appreciate _constructive_ crriticism, for it is a good way to learn. However, your brand of criticism is nothing but constructive, as you offer no reasons as to why you disagree. It is simply a troll. > I'm quite sure that this will, as is normal for most people, lead to a > very thoughtful and even tempered adult. For the moment though it really > sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black. I try to consider things from different viewpoints, in order to gauge a better understanding of them. Your xenophobia when it comes to different ideas is distressing. > There is nothing I could do to change your mind on those points you have > wrong, that you are citing from here-say. Nor do I want or need to, as > experience is a MUCH better teacher. I do not wish to necessarily change people's minds, but merely to open them up a little to consider new viewpoints. Once considered, an informed decision can hopefully be made, and the view can be either accepted (either in full or in part) or discarded altogether. You seem to be incapable of doing so. Experience teaches you ONE viewpoint, grounded in ONE community and ONE culture. You cannot expect to understand the world with this kind of knowledge. Do _you_ understand the the Taliban (assuming they did it) act the way they do? Your "experience" cannot explain Islamic fundamentalism at all. > "I have read in proper academic articles and journals," > > U-huh, this confirms my original statement. This was merely an example, and your ignorant response only serves to confirm my original obversations about you. Proper academics are always careful to reference their work thoroughly, in order to provide evidence supporting their views. You do no such thing. You don't even offer a view other than the equivalent of "you're a moron". How can you expect anyone to believe you when you don't state why you think this way? How old are YOU, anyway? You're starting to sound like an old broken vinyl record to me. Come back when you actually have something constructive to say instead of trolls. > -JMS -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] maybe a revenge?
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:03:33 -0400, "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> >
> > Just off the top-of-my-head, I can think of the entire Panama campaign and
many
> > smaller compaigns in Korea and Vietnam which did _not_ follow this format.
Do
> > you have any idea of what the civilian toll was in Korea and Vietnam? Don't
> > think that they just got in the way by accident, many were killed by both
sides
> > either for "strategic" reasons or simply for the hell of it. Quite a few of
> > these incidents have been well documented, and many Koreans have taken the
US
> > military to court (in the US) over issues such as this.
> >
> > What about places like Chile, where the US funded a bloody coup and then
> > supported the establishment of a brutal dictatorship?
> >
> > It aint that simple. It almost never is. War is hell.
>
> Just taking the Korean referral for an example here, and by all means correct
> me if I'm wrong, but didn't ---> United Nation <--- forces enter the Korean
> war because NORTH Korea attacked S. Korea? Were we not there, along with UN
> forces, defending an innocent country?
Well, I'm drifting away from my original argument here, but I shall respond
nonetheless. See this as more of an FYI than an actual argument :-)
After World War II, Syngman Rhee was elected to be president of the Republic of
Korea ("South Korea"), and was backed by the US. While initially popular, his
government quickly became corrupt and authoritarian. The constitution was
modified to make Rhee a virtual dictator, and US aid continued to pour in
despite this. The economy was neglected by the government, and South Korea was
one of the poorest nations in the world. By the time of the Korean War, the
South was not much more free than the North, and far poorer. After the War, the
US supported Rhee's return to power, despite his then-known authoritarian
ambitions.
In short, neither North nor South Korea were truly "innocent". Both were
dictatorial regimes which pretended to be "democratic". Each was propped-up by a
world superpower. It has been fashionable to romanticise about South Korea being
a democracy that was being unnecessarily attacked by the North, but this is not
the case. Both nations were simply tools of the Cold War.
> Just like Kuwait...(although I don't think the UN was involved there).
I don't know much about the Gulf region, but I know that Kuwait is most
certainly _not_ a democracy. The National Assembly has almost no power, and
women cannot vote (it is a very Islamic nation, after all). The press is
strictly censored and controlled. Nevertheless, this small nation are heavily
backed by the US and other Western nations because of their oil reserves.
--
Sridhar Dhanapalan.
"There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
-- Jeremy S. Anderson
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Re: [newbie] Re: [LINUX_Newbies] USA TERROR ATTACK!!!!
Mr Buckner, This is exactly what I was after -- a _constructive_ rebuttal based on fact, not hearsay, emotion or "experience". As I have tried to make clear, there is never _one_ view of things, particularly in the social sciences (such as this). You obviously believe differently to myself, and you have been able to articulate your views clearly. For that I applaud you. In contrast to what some may think, it was never my intention to force my view upon others, but rather to convince people to be more open-minded about such matters. I have reread the portions of my posts which you have quoted, and I have taken note of some of your observations so that I may learn from them. While you make some very valid points (supported by some good evidence), I cannot agree with most of your argument. Nevertheless, I respect your view, for it is clear that you have carefully thought it over. Regards, Sridhar. On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:33:02 -0700, Rich Buckner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mr. Dhanapalan: > > I have read most if not all of your posts on this topic, and disagree with > the vast bulk of what you say. The post to which I am responding, however, > reflects such a far too short-sighted view of history > that the temptation to respond is irresistible. > > On Wednesday 12 September 2001 06:38 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > [snip] > > > > Umm... Have you actually read or seen what's _really_ going on? By this, I > > mean from _credible_ sources like good historians and theorists (e.g. Wade, > > Johnson, Vogel, etc.), not the mass-media, which is notorious for its > > oversimplification of facts. It appears that YOU are the victim of > > mis-representations and hearsay. How can you expect to be truly objective > > when you _live_ in the country? This is simply impossible, because of > > factors like emotional attachments, habits and teachings (e.g. from schools > > and the media). The same would go for any nation that one is attached to. I > > don't expect to be able to be objective about my country, because I like > > it. > > No one is "truly objective." Everyone has biases that affect their thoughts > and reasoning. Is a non-resident of the US who hates the US necessarily more > unbiased than a US resident who loves his country? No, not necessarily. > Your posts reflect your biases. This post no doubt reflects mine. The fact > that I have biases (or that the poster to whom you were replying above has > biases) does not inevitably mean that the point of view I express is wrong, > that the point of view the previous poster expressed is wrong, or that your > point of view is incorrect. > > > [snip] > > > > Not so. Your approach is very un-scientific indeed. > > > [snip] > > Any analysis of historic trends, causes, and effects is by its very nature > "un-scientific" because any such analysis ultimately amounts to an expression > of the analyst's opinion. Your posts are full of subjective, qualitative > views about whether the US is good or bad, how much harm it has caused, and > the like. Those opinions, with which I disagree with strongly, may be > honestly held, but they remain "un-scientific" opinions. > > > > [snip] > > Your inflexibility and lack of receptibility to different ideas and > > viewpoints is worrisome. If you read academic political papers over the > > years, you will notice how attitudes and views change with time, as > > situations change and new evidence and theories come to light. The world is > > ever-changing, not static. You need to try to evolve with this or risk > > falling behind and being cast aside as an old relic. Many older people I > > meet tend to be "Cold Warriors", that is those who are stuck in the old > > Cold War mentality that communism is all evil and that the USA is the > > bastion of world democracy and hence is all good. Could you be one of those > > Cold Warriors, Jose? Here's a wake-up call: nothing is perfect. Since the > > end of the Cold War, people have been noticing the widening cracks in the > > armour of the Anglo-American neoliberal system, which for so long had > > remained stable due to the constant communist threat. > > You seem to imply that one can read "academic political papers" and that > those papers somehow establish the "right" answer about whether the US is > good or bad, and that events predating the Cold War are now irrelevant to a > qualitative evaluation of the US. I think you are clearly wrong on both > points. > > First, "academic political papers" reflect nothing more than the opinions of > their authors. As a colleague of mine likes to say "opinions are like > a$$holes, everybody has one." I daresay that, if I wanted to spend the time, > I could find "academic" papers that would support almost any view, even views > that are later shown to be demonstrably wrong. After all, the head of the US > Patent Office in the early 1900s expressed the view that everything that > could be invented had by
Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA
You are absolutely right, and I don't dispute it. The point of my comment, however, was simply to get Amreicans to _think_ about what's going on in their own government. You have obviously thought about it, and you have reached your own (laudable) conclusion. If it sounded like a direct attack on the civilian population of the United States (and now that I think about it, it did seem a bit harsh), I apologise. On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:55:43 -0400, etharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I sware I do NOT have the power to stop any of this. We did NOT elect this > president. I am no more to blame for the things the Bush family has > perpetuated on the world than the farmer in the field in Afganistan, only > trying to feed his family. I have even elected to take my own personal "vow > of poverty" to not accept anything that may have been "ill gotten" by my > people. I am more than willing to remember and apologize for the genocide of > American Idians, (and if reparations are to be considered, I would say that > both White and Black Americans MUST put the indeginis people who's land we > stole and whom the US goverment perpetuated Gernocide against FIRST. Then we > can Apologize for the lesser crime of Slavery. (and while I do not thinks > slavery is a small crime, I believe most folks would consider Genocide worse.) > > > > that Americans have elected. The American people have the power to stop > > > this > > > horror, yet they do not exercise it. > Maybe you could expound on how we could stop it, I am ALL ears. > > > Are you any better than the > > > 'terrorists'? > > > > > > > -- kiran > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: nathan wainwright [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:48 AM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA > > > > > > > > > > one thing is, if i am needed i will defend my country (cdn), and > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > elses from these bastards... > > > > > > > > > > sorry all, but when every anyone does something like this i hate them > > > > > > > > > > more so for childeren that had noe even started their lifes > > > > > > > > > > -- nathan > > > > > > > > > > >From: jennifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],"nathan wainwright" > > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA > > > > > >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:16:32 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes, i hear you about being scared...I'm from boston and was > > > > > > evacuated > > > > > > > > >today > > > > > >from work. I just hope that fear does not drive us to succomb to the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > >hatred that has been bestowed upon us today. This is a delicate > > > > > > > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > > > >I > > > > > >truely hope that it was a terrorist group and not a nation that > > > > > > attacked > > > > > > > > >us. > > > > > >I certainly don't want friends or family to have to go to war over > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > >have enough sadness to deal with. > > > > > > > > > > > >I think the best thing we can do is recover as quickly as possible. > > > > > > Send > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > >message that we are stronger than they are...morally an spiritually. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > >stay together as a nation, justice will prevail. This has certainly > > > > > >reminded > > > > > >me to value America and renewed my national pride. > > > > > > > > > > > >Ans thank you to all the people on this list from all nations who > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > >shown > > > > > >support for us whether we were personally affected or not. > > > > > > > > > > > >On Tuesday 11 September 2001 23:50, nathan wainwright wrote: > > > > > > > i now i added once.. im canadian.. and i am scared, and sorry for > > > > > > > everything that happend for the man that talked to his wife > > > > > > > before > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > died... to all the childeren that are dead, and the others that > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > >longer > > > > > > > > > > > > > have parents... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i want those bastards to pay dearly for what they did, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ill keep it simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > President bush... go nuts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- nathan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lanman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: breaking news in USA > > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:48:14 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jon; Good sense is never "Off Topic". Tell your sister that > > > > > > > > we're > > > > > > > > > > > >rooting > > > > > > > > > > > > > >for > > > > > > > >the quick return of her husband. Absolutley right by the way. > >
Re: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one)
This is the kind of point that I have been trying to make. As you have said "there are always two sides to every issue". In many cases, there are even more than two sides and viewpoints. The US media has managed to convince many people to believe that all (or many) Palestinians are terrorists, and that they should all be killed. If you look at things from the view of the Palestinians, _they_ are the ones who are being persecuted. Things are not as simple as they may seem, and I thank you for sharing your views. On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:39:07 +0200, "Mohammed Arafa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i thank you for reminding us of the people being discriminately massacared > in Palestine. of how the Israelis are using guns and armoured vehicles and > mortar and missiles against unarmed men, women and children every day. Of > how, the Israelis have by force taken away land from their owners, sometimes > killing them; the Palestinians, displacing them, , how they have razed homes > of the parents of "suspected" freedom fighters, even though those freedom > fighters arent there or living there. how they have imprisoned those freedom > fighters, on mere suspicion, without rights, without time limits, without > age limits (could a 14 old kid be a terrorist?) > of how the israelis have taken the opportunity given by the world looking at > america to take over more land in Palestine (a whole town yesterday on > tuesday). of how the israelis are slowly and surely killing the parties who > they are *talking* with in Palestine, may i remind u that the israelis took > over the government building of the PNA recently? > > finally, may i remind u that there are always two sides to every issue: the > israelis are after land; from the nile river to the tigris in iraq; whereas > the Palestinians are after their very survival: life. > > thanks for letting me rant on a for a bit > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Spivak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:00 AM > Subject: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one) > > > > > > Please let me remind you again, coz I'm sure many > > people did it already, this mail list is about newbies for Linux > > and not politic, and not terror. Don't think that I like > > what happened there, I was in shock myself. Just > > try to think , that people in Israel deals with the situation > > every day, all the day, all the week, all the year ... > > Now, back to the theme of the letter, try not to send > > any letter, that not about the main theme - LINUX. > > > > TIA > > > > Michael Spivak -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one)
i thank you for reminding us of the people being discriminately massacared in Palestine. of how the Israelis are using guns and armoured vehicles and mortar and missiles against unarmed men, women and children every day. Of how, the Israelis have by force taken away land from their owners, sometimes killing them; the Palestinians, displacing them, , how they have razed homes of the parents of "suspected" freedom fighters, even though those freedom fighters arent there or living there. how they have imprisoned those freedom fighters, on mere suspicion, without rights, without time limits, without age limits (could a 14 old kid be a terrorist?) of how the israelis have taken the opportunity given by the world looking at america to take over more land in Palestine (a whole town yesterday on tuesday). of how the israelis are slowly and surely killing the parties who they are *talking* with in Palestine, may i remind u that the israelis took over the government building of the PNA recently? finally, may i remind u that there are always two sides to every issue: the israelis are after land; from the nile river to the tigris in iraq; whereas the Palestinians are after their very survival: life. thanks for letting me rant on a for a bit - Original Message - From: "Michael Spivak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:00 AM Subject: [newbie] Newbies forum (this one) > > Please let me remind you again, coz I'm sure many > people did it already, this mail list is about newbies for Linux > and not politic, and not terror. Don't think that I like > what happened there, I was in shock myself. Just > try to think , that people in Israel deals with the situation > every day, all the day, all the week, all the year ... > Now, back to the theme of the letter, try not to send > any letter, that not about the main theme - LINUX. > > TIA > > Michael Spivak > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
