RE: [newbie] Evolution

2001-11-01 Thread Franki


you were tryin a cooker version, you can't base your judgement on that,,
cooker is beta packages,

they take all the latest stuff, wrap an rpm around it and offer it for
download..

imagine getting a daily updated cvs snapshot of KDE and trying to run it
you most likely wouldn't get it to compile..

although thats alot risker then usin a cooker rpm, its the same principle,
cooker are not usually stable releases.


which would explain your problem...


having said that, to each his own. ;-)


rgds

Frank
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Subject: Re: [newbie] Evolution


On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:14:52 -0600
Gary Traffanstedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   I'm looking for user experiences with Evolution. I'm wanting to switch to
it
> from Kmail only because I like the way it does spell check. I've been
using
> KMail since I first started using Linux and so I know that KMail is quite
> dependable. Is there anything I should know about Evolution before making
the
> switch? Should I not make the switch and if so, why? Etc., etc., etc. Any
> input would be most appreciated!

I've tried the latest version 0.15 off cooker. I liked the look of the
address book which I thought might serve my purposes rather well for listing
detailed business addresses. I spent an hour or so carefully filling in
addresses, went to create a new category and the machine froze solid putting
an end to that experiment. I won't trust it with my data anymore. Evolution
is not quite ready for mission critical functions yet.

Its also a bit Redmondian for my taste, and I can't figure out how to do
*proper* rather than US English in the spell check which makes it less than
useless for my purposes.

I'll stick with Sylpheed which is in rapid development and coming along very
nicely. It handles huge folders (20megs or more) and mailing lists better
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Re: [newbie] New to Mandrake- lost in the sources void

2001-11-01 Thread Paul

In reply to Nate Kitts's words, written Fri, 02 Nov 2001 02:40:47 -0500

>My motherboard has the built in Promise ATA100 interface and i can't
>find the source that i need for my version of Mandrake (7.1 aka Linux

I doubt that mandrake 7.1 supports it. Never heard that happen. It works fine
on mdk8.0 as I am using it right now.

>for Windows) to recognize it. I also need the proper source for my sound
>card. 

Is it an on-board sound chip? If so, what chipset or soundcard is it based on?
Paul

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[newbie] New to Mandrake- lost in the sources void

2001-11-01 Thread Nate Kitts

Well first off lemme describe my system, I have:

AMD 1 Ghz Socket A Processor
Asus A7V Motherboard
512 Mb PC133 SDRAM
ATI Radeon AGP 64 Mb DDR VIVO Graphics Card
60 Gig Maxtor drive (windows based)
30 Gig Maxtor drive (linux based)
Teac 4x/4x/32x CD-RW Drive
Creative Labs PC-DVD 12x Ovation Drive
56k PCI HSP Micromodem
Creative Labs Sound Blaster PCI 512 sound card
My motherboard has the built in Promise ATA100 interface and i can't
find the source that i need for my version of Mandrake (7.1 aka Linux
for Windows) to recognize it. I also need the proper source for my sound
card. I have already found information about my modem and that it's not
supported by any Linux source. :( I would appreciate if anyone could
help me find the proper source for these devices and tell me how to install
it. I appreciate any help possible in advance.

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Re: [newbie] Questions, questions and more questions from a potential buyer

2001-11-01 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:57:03 +0800, "Michael Peligro"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Sir/Madam:

No need for formalities - this is a list where users help other users! :)

> Good day!
> 
> I am an avid gamer and I plan to migrate to Linux. The Windows upgrade is
> too steep and the product requires me to upgrade my computer hardware as
> well. I am sad that I have to pay expensive licenses and hardware for
> Windows XP only to get an operating system that is technically inferior and
> buggy compared to the rock-solid performance and cost savings of Linux. I
> have been looking at the other Linux distros and based on my research:
> 
> Linux Mandrake 8.1 is the solution for me.
> 
> Is it? To begin with, I have several questions:
> 
> 1. Will Mandrake 8.1 run on my system?
> AMD-K6-2-500
> 64MB RAM
> SIS 530 on-board AGP 2x 8MB video RAM
> ES-SOLO on-board sound card
> Does Mandrake support the drivers for my devices? Does it have a generic
> driver if in case the manufacturers for my devices are nowhere to be found
> and have ceased support?

The processor and the RAM will work, although I recommend that you upgrade to at
least 128MB of RAM for a full graphical experience (the same would go for any
OS).

I don't know about the on-board stuff. Try checking these sites:

http://lhd.zdnet.com/
http://www.linuxhardware.net/
http://www.linuxhardware.org/
http://www.linux.com/enhance/hardware/
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/hardware.php3

> 2. Is Mandrake 8.1 vulnerable to viruses such as CIH or BIOS-infecting
> viruses? Are there any antivirus software for Mandrake?

There are no virii for GNU/Linux, and it is likely that there will never be any
effective ones, due to superior design. Hence, there is no need for a virus
scanner.

There is also no need for tools like Scandisc and Defrag. GNU/Linux filesystems
take care of these things themselves.

> 3. Will Mandrake 8.1 run on a 486DX2 33mhz with 16MB RAM? One of Linux'
> strengths is running on old computer systems. Will Mandrake give a new lease
> of usable life to my old system?

Mandrake is optimised for i586 (Pentium-class) and above processors. For 386 and
486 computers, you should look at another distribution, like Red Hat or Suse.

> 4. I plan to use some legacy Windows programs (Office, Quicken, etc.) on
> Mandrake. What Windows emulator would you recommend for Mandrake? Will WINE
> work for me? How about Win4Lin? I also wish to play my Windows games with
> Linux until such time when Linux ports for these games have been released.

Microsoft applications won't work reliably in WINE, because MS designs them so
that they don't. Win4Lin and VMware are good virtualisation applications, and
Windows works reliably in them.

Ultimately, you should be looking for replacements for your apps. There is no
point whatsoever in running GNU/Linux if you're in Win4Lin or VMware all the
time. For example, StarOffice/OpenOffice is a great alternative to MS Office,
and it handles the MS Office file formats admirably. To replace Quicken, there's
Gnucash and Moneydance, which can also read Quicken files. The GIMP is better
than Adobe Photoshop in many ways, and GNOME and KDE beat the Windows interface
for power and functionality. All of these are 100% free, both in price and in
source.

Games may pose a problem. Win4Lin and VMware don't handle games too well. WINE
can play some games (e.g. The Sims and Starcraft), but most won't work. The
Windows version of Quake III can be made to work natively (not through any
emulation) in GNU/Linux with a small patch. Loki has a number of ports of
Windows games to GNU/Linux, including Unreal Tournament.

There is a special Gamers' Edition of Mandrake 8.1, which includes The Sims and
a version of WINE especially tweaked for gaming. This sounds like the distro for
you.

You should keep a dual-boot system for maximum enjoyment of your system. For
serious work, you can benefit from the power and stability of GNU/Linux. For
high-speed gaming, Wintendo is still around to boot into :)

> 5. Is there a virtual-cd program for Mandrake? Some games require me to have
> the cd on the drive while playing. In Windows, I use a virtual-cd program to
> create a virtual cd that resides on my hard drive. This lets me run games
> without reshuffling the cds on my drive. Any programs on Mandrake similar to
> this?

Provided that the CD isn't copy protected, you can easy make a CD image and
store it on your hard drive.

> 6. Can I run servers for Unreal Tournament, Quake III, Half-Life, and
> Counter-Strike simultaneously with Mandrake, while at the same time acting
> as a file-and-print sharing computer on the network? Will it crash or live
> up to the legend of Linux as a crash-proof server OS?

I've never tried it myself, but I see no reason why it shouldn't work. I think
that there is a native Half-Life server for GNU/Linux, and all of Quake III
works.

> 7. I live in the Philippines. How can I purchase Mandrake 8.1 Powerpack from
> my area? Do you h

Re: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary

2001-11-01 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:33:12 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E.
Fox) wrote:
> > RMS is the kind of guy who is very easily misunderstood. He is also the kind
> > of guy that tends to go a little overboard with things. In some cases, he
> > mellows
> 
> I've met RMS as well on two separate occasions. His last talk at SVLUG here
> in Sunnyvale (probably over a year ago) he was (at least in my opinion) over-
> doing the GPL advocacy thing, like trying to ensure that people only have
> GPL on their system (advocating exclusion of proprietary things even where
> they might be useful on Linux systems -- things like Star Office, netscape,
> etc.) And, he was pushing Debian as 'the' GNU/Linux. Not that I don't advocate
> Debian - it's a very respectable distribution with many advantages -- but the
> 'GNU/Linux' is to me a misnomer. Yes, there's a lot of GNU, and perhaps Linux
> would be less than what it is today without it, but there's a lot of extra
> non-GNU stuff in a typical Linux distro, and I don't think Debian has an
> edge on having a higher percentage of GNU than does any of the other distros
> out there.

Debian is 'the' GNU/Linux because it has an official policy of only including
something if it is GPL. KDE was excluded for some years until TrollTech
relicensed QT under the GPL.

RMS uses "GNU" in a broad sense, referring to the GNU system and to programmes
which are under GNU licenses (GPL/LGPL). This forms the vast bulk of any distro,
including the most critical portions. Linux is a kernel that cannot work on its
own. Its Windows equivalent would be krnl386.exe. The GNU system includes such
staples as Glibc, Gcc, Bash, Emacs, Midnight Commander and almost all of the
shell commands. A system cannot function without these. The GNU system also
includes GNOME and XFree86 (which is MIT licensed, not GPL). Linux itself is
GPL, with an exception for addable modules. Add to this everything which is GPL
or LGPL (including QT and KDE) and you have a system which would be over 90%
GNU, including all the vital components. The remainder are add-ons, things which
can very easily be done without. Windows isn't judged by the licenses of
external, non-essential applications, so why should GNU/Linux?

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan

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Re: [newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware

2001-11-01 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:00:11 +1100 , "Craig Williamson (ENZ)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>   I'm writing this because I'm curious.  With all the trouble with
> WindowsXP having all these hardware issues, isn't it about time to get our
> thinking caps on and re-focus our attention on the fact at this moment in
> time we have an opportunity to exploit Linux hardware capabilities.  One guy
> saying he couldn't get his USB keyboard to work under WinXP where Linux
> could is a prime example.  Okay so WindowsXP has almost rock solid
> stability, but for the first time ever, LINUX SUPPORTS MORE HARDWARE!!!.  We
> need to push this at this time before Microsoft gets it's act together.
> What are your thoughts on this and I hope it will inspire someone on this
> mailing list to push this further.  This may be the invunerability that
> could drag Microsoft to its knees.
> 
> 
> Craig Williamson

As much as I'd like to see it happen, I don't think it'll work. Hardware
manufacturers will scramble to get XP support, and our lead will quickly
disappear. If only they scrambled to get GNU/Linux support...

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan

"So, if anybody wants to have hardware sent to them - don't call me, but instead
write your own operating system. It has worked every time for me."
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Re: [newbie] Mouse

2001-11-01 Thread civileme

On Thursday 01 November 2001 19:06, Tomek Nowinski wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Once again I need your help.
>
> I hope I can explain myself...  I have problems with mouse pointing
> (punteo del ratón)... After 1 or 2 hr. of working in KDE my mouse get's
> "crazy" and the place where I make "click" is like 2 cm to the left from
> the point where I can see my mouse. Anybody knows how to solve it?
>
> Es que después de un rato de trabajo el ratón deja de apuntar en el
> lugar donde se lo ve y uno hace "click" como a 2 cm a la izquierda.
> Alguien tiene idea dónde y cómo lo puedo arreglar?
>
> Thanks for help.
>
> Tomek Nowinski

The file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (If you are using XFree 4.1) or 
/etc/X11/XF86Config (If you are using Xfree 3.3.6) has a setting called

 #Option "sw_cursor"

right in the file.

You need to edit the file.  To do that, open a terminal (what follows is my 
dialog)

[tester@civileme tester]$ su
Password:
[root@civileme tester]# kate /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
DCOPServer up and running.
[root@civileme tester]#exit
[tester@civileme tester]$

Of course, where it asked for password I put in my root password.  In Kate, I 
used ctrl-F to bring up the find window, searched for the string sw_curs and 
deleted the leading '#' sign on that line.

What you are describing is a problem with the video driver, so it would be 
helpful if you reported the brand and model of video card you use.

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[newbie] Questions, questions and more questions from a potential buyer

2001-11-01 Thread Michael Peligro

Dear Sir/Madam:


Good day!

I am an avid gamer and I plan to migrate to Linux. The Windows upgrade is
too steep and the product requires me to upgrade my computer hardware as
well. I am sad that I have to pay expensive licenses and hardware for
Windows XP only to get an operating system that is technically inferior and
buggy compared to the rock-solid performance and cost savings of Linux. I
have been looking at the other Linux distros and based on my research:

Linux Mandrake 8.1 is the solution for me.

Is it? To begin with, I have several questions:

1. Will Mandrake 8.1 run on my system?
AMD-K6-2-500
64MB RAM
SIS 530 on-board AGP 2x 8MB video RAM
ES-SOLO on-board sound card
Does Mandrake support the drivers for my devices? Does it have a generic
driver if in case the manufacturers for my devices are nowhere to be found
and have ceased support?

2. Is Mandrake 8.1 vulnerable to viruses such as CIH or BIOS-infecting
viruses? Are there any antivirus software for Mandrake?

3. Will Mandrake 8.1 run on a 486DX2 33mhz with 16MB RAM? One of Linux'
strengths is running on old computer systems. Will Mandrake give a new lease
of usable life to my old system?

4. I plan to use some legacy Windows programs (Office, Quicken, etc.) on
Mandrake. What Windows emulator would you recommend for Mandrake? Will WINE
work for me? How about Win4Lin? I also wish to play my Windows games with
Linux until such time when Linux ports for these games have been released.

5. Is there a virtual-cd program for Mandrake? Some games require me to have
the cd on the drive while playing. In Windows, I use a virtual-cd program to
create a virtual cd that resides on my hard drive. This lets me run games
without reshuffling the cds on my drive. Any programs on Mandrake similar to
this?

6. Can I run servers for Unreal Tournament, Quake III, Half-Life, and
Counter-Strike simultaneously with Mandrake, while at the same time acting
as a file-and-print sharing computer on the network? Will it crash or live
up to the legend of Linux as a crash-proof server OS?

7. I live in the Philippines. How can I purchase Mandrake 8.1 Powerpack from
my area? Do you have a reseller in my country or do I have to order directly
from you? Can I be a dealer for Linux Mandrake in my area?

8. I plan to use my Mandrake system as a point of sharing internet access
for the other computers in my home network. Is it possible to do this with
Mandrake?

These are the questions I have for now. I plan to buy Mandrake 8.1 at the
end of November. Thank you very much for the time spent on my inquiries.

It is time for Microsoft to join the dinosaurs of old computing.
Long live Linux and the Open-source movement!!!


Regards,

Mike




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[newbie] Kmail Problem

2001-11-01 Thread Margaret N Uy


Kmail is a bit choosy when sending out emails.  It works when I send to some 
addresses, and doesn't with others.  A dialog box appears which has the 
following error, verbatim:

Sending failed:
a SMTP error occured
Command: DATA
Response: 250 2.1.5  ... Recipient ok

The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the problem 
(e.g. broken address) or remove the message from he 'outbox' folder.

Note: other messages will also be blocked by this message, as long as it is 
in the 'outbox' folder

The following transport protocol was used:
smtp://smtp.info.com.ph:25

---

The funny thing about it is that when I put the same address in the Cc field 
instead of the To field, it would work perfectly.  Oh, and if I put the same 
address in both the To field and the Cc field.  

How can I fix this?

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[newbie] AOL Email.pl!pls help

2001-11-01 Thread AOL Systems

To all my friends in Mandrake

I have perl porgram that sends info to my e-mail.i called it email.pl it
is inserted on the send botton of my html page but when i uploaded the
webpage in the internet and i fillout the information of the page and
click the botton send.when i check my e-mail i did not send an e-mail or
info about who register or fill-out my my webpage.Is there something
wrong? can u pls e-mail me a .pl program or perl program that parse the
info and send to my e-mail.
Pls help!

Thanks and more power!

Respectfully
AOL
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Re: [newbie] Pentium IV

2001-11-01 Thread David E. Fox

> I'm thinking (actually I've already ordered) a new motherboard and an intel 
> pentium IV chip. 

Personally speaking you're way better off with an Athlon system. Intel
brought out the IV far too quickly IMHO and from reading others' comments,
they really botched the design. Athlons of a lower clock frequency can
easily outperform higher-clocked IVs, and the Athlon is a far cheaper
solution. The downside - you have to get a different mb for the Athlon,
but that's probably true of the IV as well. Durons are cheaper still, but
the lack of the extra cache that the Athlon provides can stall things.

Athlons (particularly with respect to AMD's heat sink, if you get a 
retail boxed version of the processor) can be hard to install because
it's difficult to put on the heat sink if you're not experienced in
working that. I saw a tech do it easily and I was amazed -- but then
again, he had a proper tool. I got ouch all over my fingers :).


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Re: [newbie] The Old Java /Mozilla Question...

2001-11-01 Thread Lee Roberts

What's wrong with leaving it where the rpm put mozilla (/usr/bin)?

At 05:44 PM 11/1/2001 +, Derek Jennings wrote:
>
>This came from a mail on the Galeon list. It is true for Mozilla, Galeon and 
>Netscape
>
>Install mozilla at /usr/local/mozilla. The JAVA
>plugin ( a symbolic link and java2 JVM) for mozilla
>should be in installed in directory
>/usr/local/mozilla/plugins. export
>MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/mozilla then run your
>galeon. It should work. Beware Java plugin for mozilla
>you should blackdown (j2re1.3.0) or SUn's JAVA2
>1.3.0_01. Good luck,
>
>
>I think the last sentence means you should use the SUN jre rather than the 
>download Netscape/Mozilla give you. I assume you know where to get the SUN jre
>
>
>Derek
>
>
>
>On Wednesday 31 October 2001 15:09, Franki wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> I have Mozilla 0.9.4 build 2001100112
>>
>> Its working perfectly well, I went to one of my sites which has a JAVA
>> applet in it,,
>>
>> Mozilla poped out and asked me to download the Java plugin, which I did,
>> (for linux of course)
>>
>> anyway, after a long download, the applet still doesn't work, there is a
>> "java2"
>> directory in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
>>
>> So its there, but Mozilla doesn't recognise it and prompts me to do it
>> again..
>>
>> This has probably been answered many times, but I searched the archives and
>> found no answer..
>>
>> i do not have NS6.1 installed.. why would I ? I have mozilla, this is
>> running on mdk8.1 (or should I say not working.)
>>
>> any suggestions would be much appreciated.
>>
>> rgds
>>
>> Frank
>
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Re: [newbie] Evolution

2001-11-01 Thread Lee

Right off the bat, I have a problem with Evolution - get an error
message when trying to GPG encrypt and/or sign a message. Is there an
FAQ for this mail program or does anyone know why I get "malformed user
ID"? GnuPG works fine with Kmail.

On Thu, 2001-11-01 at 18:33, shipahoy wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:14:52 -0600
> Gary Traffanstedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I'm looking for user experiences with Evolution. I'm wanting to switch to it 
> > from Kmail only because I like the way it does spell check. I've been using 
> > KMail since I first started using Linux and so I know that KMail is quite 
> > dependable. Is there anything I should know about Evolution before making the 
> > switch? Should I not make the switch and if so, why? Etc., etc., etc. Any 
> > input would be most appreciated!
> 
> I've tried the latest version 0.15 off cooker. I liked the look of the address book 
>which I thought might serve my purposes rather well for listing detailed business 
>addresses. I spent an hour or so carefully filling in addresses, went to create a new 
>category and the machine froze solid putting an end to that experiment. I won't trust 
>it with my data anymore. Evolution is not quite ready for mission critical functions 
>yet.
> 
> Its also a bit Redmondian for my taste, and I can't figure out how to do *proper* 
>rather than US English in the spell check which makes it less than useless for my 
>purposes.
> 
> I'll stick with Sylpheed which is in rapid development and coming along very nicely. 
>It handles huge folders (20megs or more) and mailing lists better than any mail 
>client I've ever used.
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] Windows eXPerience, MandrakeLinux saves the Day-ta

2001-11-01 Thread civileme

On Thursday 01 November 2001 07:21, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> civileme wrote:
> > I knew that extra phone listing might be handy someday.  Fussing with a
> > download that wouldn't md5sum and needing it very badly, I was only too
> > happy for the break when the phone rang and I picked it up, saying
> > "Mandrakesoft".
> >
> > "Errr, I have a REAL problem. "
> >
> > "Is it with one of our systems?"
> >
> > "No," he replied, "but I'll buy the most expensive boxed set if your
> > system can help me."
> >
> > In the course of a few minutes I learned that this fellow hadf a Dell
> > Dimension P-II 400 with STB Velocity card and Turtle Beach Montego II
> > Sound card, and he had been running Win98 successfully.  He had a
> > Microsoft-badged optical mouse and Microsoft-badged USB keyboard.
> >
> > When WinXP came out, his father was the first person in line at CompUSA
> > to buy it at 12:01 am October 25th.
> >
> > So he installed the update.
> >
> > Keyboard and mouse promptly stopped working.
> >
> > His plan was to install linux, copy his vital data over to it, then
> > format the winpartition and reinstall XP cleanly as Microsoft Support
> > (Two hours on hold long distance to Redmond ) assured him if he did that
> > that his keyboard and mouse would work.
> >
> > I told him where to pick up the download edition of 8.1 and he took them.
> >  An hour later I had a call, "It won't resize Windows small enough."
> >
> > By now it was 7 pm.  I went to his computer and brough along a spare 10G
> > disk.  I added it temporarily on the spare connector and let him install
> > ML 8.1 to the second disk, making sure he chose GRUB to boot with.
> >
> > Everything worked, and his cable modem connected out of the box--only the
> > advisory popped up to visit sourceforge about the sound card. 
> > Transferring his 2.2G of files was a snap, then diskdrake was called to
> > clean up the messy hda, partitioning 3/4 of it for windows and leaving
> > the rest for his "rescue system".
> >
> > WinXP balked and insisted on seeing the win98 CD, then it installed,
> > taking out the boot record entry for linux (but we had a boot disk).  The
> > mouse and keyboard worked fine until the final reboot then communication
> > ceased.
> >
> > Now out with the win98 disk but it refuses to install over XP.  Back to
> > Linux and diskdrake from a terminal su'ed too root to wipe clean again.
> >
> > Win98 now loads after an old installer trick of copying the win98
> > directory to the hard drive and installing from there.
> >
> > And linux restores the 2.2 G of files it had saved.  Now the extra Hdd is
> > removed and win98 is running using mouse and keyboard.
> >
> > Back to CompUSA goes the XP even though one mouse worked long enough to
> > send Redmond the info for the activation Code.  Into CompUSA is placed an
> > Order for ProSuite.  He already has the Aureal drivers from sourceforge.
> >
> > I know sometimes our system has trouble with a wheelmouse, and a lot of
> > trouble if someone sets the wrong mouse type (3-button emulation kills
> > wheelmice), but this is something I don't think we have ever done. 
> > Certified Hardware not running on a new system is a serious flaw, and
> > even a billion dollar advertising campaiggn and midnight starting sales
> > will not correct that sort of flaw.
> >
> > Civileme
>
> Civileme:
> Exactly which support option covers house calls?
> -- Carroll
Well, you buy the new ProSuite coming out soon--the one with a long support 
option

Then you move to Anchorage, Alaska...

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Re: [newbie] Alternative to ICQ?

2001-11-01 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

Jabber is a great open source IM protocol. Gabber, a Jabber client, allows you
to connect to he MSN, ICQ and Yahoo networks as well. It has some features that
you won't find in the mainstream IM services, like encryption. There are Windows
Jabber clients as well. Go to jabber.com and jabber.org for more info.

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:56:11 -0600, "Mark D'voo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> how about jabber
> 
> On Thursday 01 November 2001 04:43 pm, you wrote:
> > ICQ has been really messing up lately, or maybe its something to do with my
> > firewall, either way what the list suggest for IM between this linux box
> > and windows users. Something that is fairly secure and has decent features
> > but easy for windows people to install.


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Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...

2001-11-01 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

My /etc/fstab line looks like this:

/dev/hda1 / reiserfs notail 1 1

You probably shouldn't be using ReiserFS for /, though. There are some known
problems with doing so, but I haven't noticed any (yet).

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:59:53 +0800, "Loke Kit Kai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have
> chance to play with it yet... having exams now...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52
> To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
> 
> 
> For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to mount
> your partitions with the notail parameter.
> 
> However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and
> business-oriented
> distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for servers.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, "Loke Kit Kai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Ronald J. Hall
> > Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19
> > To: Mandrake Newbie List
> > Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
> >
> >
> > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> > >
> > > I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS.
> > You must
> > > remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and
> > reliability
> >
> > Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance
> > to
> > hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer
> > from
> > Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you
> > just said.
> >
> > However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware
> test?
> >
> > So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a
> > little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against
> > the
> > ext3 fs?
> >
> > Later! ;-)
> >
> > --
> >
> >/\
> >
> > Dark> >\/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sridhar Dhanapalan
> 
> "... if you're a basic PC user thinking about buying XP, don't. It's
> basically
> malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain a
> Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child when
> you
> try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it
> disapproves." -- Thomas C. Greene, "Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2", The Register
> (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-10-30.
> 



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[newbie] Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware

2001-11-01 Thread Craig Williamson (ENZ)
Title: Linux versus WindowsXP Haredware





Hi All,


    I'm writing this because I'm curious.  With all the trouble with WindowsXP having all these hardware issues, isn't it about time to get our thinking caps on and re-focus our attention on the fact at this moment in time we have an opportunity to exploit Linux hardware capabilities.  One guy saying he couldn't get his USB keyboard to work under WinXP where Linux could is a prime example.  Okay so WindowsXP has almost rock solid stability, but for the first time ever, LINUX SUPPORTS MORE HARDWARE!!!.  We need to push this at this time before Microsoft gets it's act together.  What are your thoughts on this and I hope it will inspire someone on this mailing list to push this further.  This may be the invunerability that could drag Microsoft to its knees.


Craig Williamson





Re: [newbie] The 56K Professional Message Modem in Mandrake 8.1

2001-11-01 Thread Robin Ballantine

Hi Michael, I have a 3Com/US Robotics 56K Message Modem (it doesn't say 
anywhere that it's professional on it) and use it with 8.1 and kppp no 
problems.

On Thursday 01 November 2001 5:50 pm, you wrote:
> A sort of pre-sales query --
>
> I've got a 3Com/US Robotics 56K Professional Message Modem, which worked
> fine with Mandrake 7.2, SuSE 7.0 and 7.1, and currently (on the same PC)
> with Windows 98 s.e, but not SuSE 7.2.
>
> In SuSE's default dialler kinternet (much like kppp except for the security
> vulnerabilities), a successful connection that progesses beyond the modem
> handshake is apparently impossible. The same is true of wvdial; rather than
> a usable connection, xconsole merely reports "linux pppd [] Couldn't
> release PPP unit: Inappropriate ioctl for device". kppp sometimes obtains a
> successful connection as opposed to a time-out, but not on a reliable
> basis. It should be pointed out that when the Message Modem is replaced by
> a Diamond 56e Pro, using the same settings, no problems arise.
>
> So I was wondering what results people were experiencing with their
> Professional Message Modems in Mandrake 8.1...
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Michael



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Re: [newbie] Evolution

2001-11-01 Thread shipahoy

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:14:52 -0600
Gary Traffanstedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   I'm looking for user experiences with Evolution. I'm wanting to switch to it 
> from Kmail only because I like the way it does spell check. I've been using 
> KMail since I first started using Linux and so I know that KMail is quite 
> dependable. Is there anything I should know about Evolution before making the 
> switch? Should I not make the switch and if so, why? Etc., etc., etc. Any 
> input would be most appreciated!

I've tried the latest version 0.15 off cooker. I liked the look of the address book 
which I thought might serve my purposes rather well for listing detailed business 
addresses. I spent an hour or so carefully filling in addresses, went to create a new 
category and the machine froze solid putting an end to that experiment. I won't trust 
it with my data anymore. Evolution is not quite ready for mission critical functions 
yet.

Its also a bit Redmondian for my taste, and I can't figure out how to do *proper* 
rather than US English in the spell check which makes it less than useless for my 
purposes.

I'll stick with Sylpheed which is in rapid development and coming along very nicely. 
It handles huge folders (20megs or more) and mailing lists better than any mail client 
I've ever used.



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Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail

2001-11-01 Thread Michael

A couple of weeks ago i set up fetchmail (among others) with help from
this list... Works great now  :) Thanks all!

Reading all your comments here about the danger of running procmail as
root. Is there not a similar warning with running fetchmail as root?
If not, what makes feetchmail safe and procmail not?

Paul wrote:
> 
> In reply to Paul Schwebel's words, written Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:12:12 -0800
> (PST)
> 
> >No, I think I get it. Right now I have fetchmail get
> >our mail. Then, you're saying that I can set up a
> >procmail recipe so that when I get the mail, it sends
> >wife-specific mail to her, and when she opens the
> >mail, it sents husband-specific mail to me. Right?
> 
> So it should be. Works fine for me, sending certain mails on to my work
> account.
> Paul
> 
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> Does a winged life destroy
> But he who kisses a joy as it flies
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Re: [newbie] HELP, HElP: emergency recovery needed urgently

2001-11-01 Thread Paul

In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s words, written Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:41:50
-0800

A proper upgrade should leave 2.4.3. on disk. Can't you see that in lilo/grub
when booting?
Paul

>I updated kernel 2.4.7 from 2.4.3 in M8. after updating and rebooting
>system froze while trying to load second stage booting (i guess). it
>stays here and does do anything else.  I checked in MUO. it says to run
>rescue from CD (i don't have a floopy boot disk). But i am sure what to
>do after that. Very important files in hard drive that I must not lose.
>

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Re: [newbie] Rmove screensavers?

2001-11-01 Thread Søren Neigaard

Ok - Can I comment it out with a #?

What should I remove? Here's some of my file, what goes and what stays
(stuff like programs and mone confuses me).

programs: \
-"Qix (solid)"  qix -root -solid -delay 0 -segments 100 \n\
-  "Qix (transparent)"  qix -root -count 4 -solid -transparent  \n\
-   "Qix (linear)"  qix -root -count 5 -solid -transparent\
  -linear -segments 250 -size 100   \n\
- mono:"Qix (xor)"  qix -root -linear -count 5 -size 200  \
  -spread 30 -segments 75 -solid -xor   \n\
  "Attraction (balls)"  attraction -root -mode balls\n\
  "Attraction (lines)"  attraction -root -mode lines -points 3\
  -segments 200 \n\
-  "Attraction (poly)"  attraction -root -mode polygons \n\
"Attraction (splines)"  attraction -root -mode splines -segments  \
  300   \n\
"Attraction (orbital)"  attraction -root -mode lines -radius 300  \
  -orbit -vmult 0.5 \n\
pyro -root  \n\
rocks -root \n\


On Thu, 2001-11-01 at 19:30, Michel Clasquin wrote:
> > I did all you sayd (I'm using Gnome), deleted the files and ran
> > xscreensaver-demo, but I still have all the screensavers in my
> > controlpanel (and in xscreensaver-demo). What to do then?
> 
> OK, no more Mr Nice Guy!  in your home directory is a file called 
> .xscreensaver (the period in front of the name is important). Load it into 
> whatever text editor you like to use and remove the lines naming the 
> offensive savers.
> 
> Not that the entries will do any harm (if they're not on the disk, they 
> can't get run), but it is cleaner to have them removed.
> 





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RE: [newbie] HELP, HElP: emergency recovery needed urgently

2001-11-01 Thread Franki

WEll, I don't know the solution to your problem for sure,

I have never upgraded a kernel, I always install it beside the old one, so
that if something goes wrong, I can still
boot the old one.. that is the recommended way of doing things..


if it was me, in your case, I would boot from the Cdrom, and try to upgrade
the kernel... using upgrade instead of install..

I have heard that may work.. or you could try copying the boot kernel  from
your cd into your boot directory on your hard drive and try to get it up
that way.. (you'd have to edit your boot manager as well, so that it calls
the rigth kernel.)
I have heard that that can work as well.

but if you just want to retrieve info.. boot from you mandrake CD, then
mount the partition that has the data you want on it,

it could be hda hdb hdc or hdd and any of the partition numbers, like hda1
or hdb3 it depends on how you originally installed mandrake, if you only
have one hard drive, it will most likely be hda,,,so if it was hda1 you
would type:

mkdir /mnt/drivedir && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/drivedir

you can add the fs system type to that as well, but it may not be
necessary..

keep trying partitions till you find the one you want..

once its mounted, you can copy data of it to floppy, or another hard disk if
you want to.. I have done this many times..

usually when I want data of an old hard drive when I have upgraded.



rgds

Frank


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 2 November 2001 3:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] HELP, HElP: emergency recovery needed urgently


Hi everyone:

I updated kernel 2.4.7 from 2.4.3 in M8. after updating and rebooting
system froze while trying to load second stage booting (i guess). it
stays here and does do anything else.  I checked in MUO. it says to run
rescue from CD (i don't have a floopy boot disk). But i am sure what to
do after that. Very important files in hard drive that I must not lose.

Please, HELP!!!

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[newbie] HELP, HElP: emergency recovery needed urgently

2001-11-01 Thread aortiz

Hi everyone:

I updated kernel 2.4.7 from 2.4.3 in M8. after updating and rebooting
system froze while trying to load second stage booting (i guess). it
stays here and does do anything else.  I checked in MUO. it says to run
rescue from CD (i don't have a floopy boot disk). But i am sure what to
do after that. Very important files in hard drive that I must not lose.

Please, HELP!!!

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Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail

2001-11-01 Thread Paul

In reply to Paul Schwebel's words, written Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:12:12 -0800
(PST)

>No, I think I get it. Right now I have fetchmail get
>our mail. Then, you're saying that I can set up a
>procmail recipe so that when I get the mail, it sends
>wife-specific mail to her, and when she opens the
>mail, it sents husband-specific mail to me. Right?

So it should be. Works fine for me, sending certain mails on to my work
account.
Paul

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Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail

2001-11-01 Thread Paul Schwebel

No, I think I get it. Right now I have fetchmail get
our mail. Then, you're saying that I can set up a
procmail recipe so that when I get the mail, it sends
wife-specific mail to her, and when she opens the
mail, it sents husband-specific mail to me. Right?

--- Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In reply to Paul Schwebel's words, written Thu, 1
> Nov 2001 10:36:53 -0800
> (PST)
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> If you know how to get procmail running on your own
> account, then there would
> be a simple solution as long as you have postfix
> running too.
> You can set up a recipe for procmail that determines
> if mail is for you or
> your wife. If it is your wife's, then just have
.
.
.
, the 3rd approach might be to change the
> >permissions on the directory that fetchmail dumps
> the
> >mail into so we can both access it. 
> 
> 
> 
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> Does a winged life destroy
> But he who kisses a joy as it flies
> Lives in eternal sunrise
> -William Blake
> 
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Re: [newbie] Abiword spellchecker

2001-11-01 Thread Paul Rodríguez

Thanks, Sridhar!  While installing abispell didn't change anything for
me on a vanilla 8.1, I was able to install 0.9.4 from a src rpm.  I
chose the gtk rpm as the gnome one had build errors.  Now it's working
perfectly!  And I'm a happy man!

-Paul Rodríguez

On Wed, 2001-10-31 at 22:40, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> Anybody interested in having spellchecking in Abiword can find the appropriate
> packages here:
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=15518
> 



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[newbie] security, suse and mandrake.. and permissions

2001-11-01 Thread Franki

Hi all,

both mandrake and Suse have hardening scripts,

suse has a file called: /etc/permissions.secure and others to allow you to
set permissions or exceptions for
stuff loaded after the install..


Does mandrake have anything like that?


for example, I get thousands of "world writable files" messages in the
emails the server sends me each night..

most of them are tmp files.. that I didn't put there, but gnome and kde
did..

I'd like to know if there is a problem there or not, and if not, can I get
rid of the messages relating to those files..

Also, I thought i'd be smart and make ownership for all files in
/var/www/html and /var/www/cgi-bin owned by apache.apache

that works great, but all of those files are added to the world writable
list..

is it a problem??  should I own the files as another user? or create another
user with a /bin/false login?

whats the most secure method of ownership for html and cgi files ???

if its not secure to be owned by apache, I'll change it, and I want to stop
the error messages as well.


any thoughts..??



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Re: [newbie] IRQ`s

2001-11-01 Thread Florian Struck

Thanx for the reply. 
I was now trying to do a few things :

First my original setup :

AGP = nvidia
PCI1 = empty
PCI2 = firewire
PCI3 = soundblaster128
PCI4 = ethernet
PCI5 = WinTV
ISA = empty

First i changed the tvcard wich was in the last pci slot (sharing with 
nvidia) to PCI slot1 below the AGP slot restarted my box and it was still 
sharing with nvidia "damn" .
Then i took out the firewire card and put the tvcard into its slot (PCI2)
After restarting the system it was not sharing anymore tvcard had irq9 and 
nvidia was alone on irq11 ... but it kept crashing the whole system so its 
not about the irq .
So i have two questons :
first how can it be that the agpslot shares with 2 different PCI slots and 
how can it be that i have 5 slots but i can only use 3 of them if i avoid 
sharing the agp`s irq? ( i need atleast 4 of them )
Second question is do you know anything about wintv cards and xawtv why could 
it be crashing my entire system it seems to be not nice at all.
Thanx in advance
Florian


On Thursday 01 November 2001 17:41, Onur Kucuk wrote:
> FS> Hello i have a little problem with my irq`s .
> FS> Since i have quite a lot of hardware in my box there is some sharing.
> Now the FS> problem is that my wintv card shares an irq with my GeForce and
> since it FS> crashes my complete system after running xawtv or zapping as
> well as any FS> other tv prog its obviously not wise that they share the
> irq with the grafix FS> device =).
>
>  Most probably the irq conflict is causing this, you are right.
>  Especially the graphics card should stay alone, even though there are
>  lots of irq management systems (mean the ones in your board and OS).
>
> FS> Now i dont know much at all about irq management if someone could tell
> me the FS> comand to change an irq and which irq is free and available in
> my pc FS> here is a cat /proc/interrupts :
>
>  Unfortunately there is no command that can change irqs, as long as
>  they asre not pnp etc. But even if they are, I never could get success
>  in this. Why ? Because IRQ's are managed by boards more strictly in
>  later systems.
>
> FS> # cat /proc/interrupts
> FS>CPU0
> FS>   0: 567487  XT-PIC  timer
> FS>   1:   3092  XT-PIC  keyboard
> FS>   2:  0  XT-PIC  cascade
>
>   IRQ 3 and 4 seems to be not used. These are the serial ports. If
>   you dont use any of them,or both, shut them off from your bios.
>
> FS>   5:  0  XT-PIC  es1371
>   You are very lucky your sound card uses irq 5 (I could not
>   manage that) Keep it like this.
>
> FS>   7:  1  XT-PIC  parport0
> FS>   8:  1  XT-PIC  rtc
> FS>  10:   4323  XT-PIC  usb-uhci, usb-uhci, eth0
>
>  If you are not using any usb devices, shut your usb controllers
>  from your bios. They dont screw things but it would be better.
>
> FS>  11: 238652  XT-PIC  bttv, nvidia
>
>  I guess your tv card is in slot 1 of your board. Usually in
>  boards the pci slot 1 and the agp slot share the same irq, so
>  change the place of it.
>
> FS>  12:  90182  XT-PIC  PS/2 Mouse
> FS>  14:  54881  XT-PIC  ide0
> FS>  15:   7586  XT-PIC  ide1
>
>  These are all fine. I guess 13 is also being used by something
>  related to CPU, so dont try to use 13. (most probably cant
>  either)
>
> FS> NMI:  0
> FS> ERR:  0
>
> FS> All devices are listed exept my firewire card which i didnt load yet
> but if i FS> remember right it would, if loaded, use irq 9 but i might be
> wrong about that.
>
> Actually irq 9 is not as fine as irq 5,10,11 etc. but I did not
> have any troubles using that.
>
> Usually boards assign irqs to pci slots, that is like pci slot 3
> can only use irq 9 and the irq of the pci slot 6 (something like
> that). You can find info about this in your mobo's manual, though
> you dont need to waste your time.
>
> Simply, shut down the systms that you dont use, serial port,
> parallel port, usb etc. After all that, try different combinations
> of pci slots on your board, after a few tries you will realize how
> to solve your trouble.
>
>  Good Luck
>  Onur Kucuk
>
>
>
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Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail

2001-11-01 Thread Paul Schwebel

Ralph,

I can see three possible approaches. 

Approach 1:
The one you wrote here makes sense, but I'm not sure
what you meant below by  "export" both our mail
folders. She uses Kmail, and I use Evolution.

Approach 2:
Put the .procmailrc in /etc and have procmail run as
root, though I'm not sure: 
1. how to invoke it, and 
2. I don't know if procmail runs with root priviledges
anyway, and 
3.if I have to setuid it and if this is too dangerous
from a security standpoint, not to mention
4. I don't know if a procmail recipe can put mail in
any folder I specify or if it has to be a subfolder of
{HOME}/Mail. 

Finally, we have Approach 3:
Privacy is not the issue. It's just that we share our
email account. Under Win9x this wasn't a problam, but
since Linux really isolates one user from another,
when I get the mail it goes into my inbox and when she
gets the mail it goes into her inbox. I get mail
intended for her and vice versa.
  So, the 3rd approach might be to change the
permissions on the directory that fetchmail dumps the
mail into so we can both access it. 

Is that easier than the symlink approach you
mentioned? We could each symlink our inbox folder to
where fetchmail dumps it? I haven't much experience
with symlinks, so I'm not sure how the permissions
would work. 

However this ends up, I've been learning alot. Thanks.

-Paul


--- Ralph Slooten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Paul Schwebel wrote:
> 
> > Then, how do I get this to work? Say I put a
> > .procmailrc in my home directory and another one
> in my
> > wifes.
> >
> > The point of this is to filter the mail headers so
> > that mail addressed to me goes to my mailbox and
> mail
.
.
.
> Yes, in my opinion this will fail miserably. The
> problem here is that you
> both receive mail via the same e-mail address
> (forwarded). There are
> probably several complicated ways to get this
> eventually to work, maybe by
> internally mailing messages accross, but this is of
> course a pain in the
> ass. 1 solution I can think of is to "export" both
> your mail folders, into
> a shared folder like /home/mail . In /home/mail you
.
.
.
> This of course has absolutely no point if you want
> total privacy, but hey,
> you married her :-) LOL
> 
> Not sure what mail program you guys are using, but
> most standard
> mailfolders can just be symlinked to the
> /home/mail/you or
> /home/mail/your_wife folders.
> 
> Hope this helps ya,
> 
> greetings
> 
> Ralph


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Re: [newbie] 8.1 PowerPack

2001-11-01 Thread Paul

In reply to Charles A Edwards's words, written Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:09:50 -0500

Hmmm.  I received the download disks a while ago, and the powerpack yesterday.
But then, that's easy. I am in Holland, and they shipped it from France.
Almost around the corner ;)
Paul

>I received today my 8.1 PowerPack which I had ordered through MandrakeSoft.
>
>BTW
>The 8.1 Download edition which I was supposed to be sent to use until
>the PowerPack was ready were included in the same package. 


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[newbie] Hey can someone put Mandrake 8.1 up in their Morpheus accounts so we can get some serious downloads going

2001-11-01 Thread Roger

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RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...

2001-11-01 Thread Loke Kit Kai

well, if u say it will run with no problems, then I wouldn't change
it...simply because that was my experiment os...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Franki
Sent: 02 November 2001 02:04
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...


I have done that before myself with no problems..

but if you want to change it, it should be the same as any other
partition...

make a new partition and format it ext2 or 3, (dunno if it has to be at the
start of the disk or not, but it couldn't hurt)

copy everything from boot into it..

then edit /etc/fstab to point /boot to your new partiton..

reboot..

like I said, I have not done it with boot before, but I did it totally
sucessfully with /var in 8.1
(in my case, /var ran out of space and I needed heaps more, so I added
another drive (three in that system now)
and created /var2 on it.. formated it reiserfs and mounted it and copied
everything from var into it..

then edited fstab to mount that new partition as var and removed the entry
for the old one..

then rebooted and lo and behold,, it worked. I was feeling rather proud of
myself. :-)


rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Loke Kit Kai
Sent: Friday, 2 November 2001 1:25 AM
To: 'Sridhar Dhanapalan'; Mandrake List (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...


oh no... I use ReiserFS for /... how do I change that to wat ever u
recommend? or do I have to reinstall the whole system? so sorry that I asked
so many questions

-Original Message-
From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 02 November 2001 01:20
To: Loke Kit Kai
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...


My /etc/fstab line looks like this:

/dev/hda1 / reiserfs notail 1 1

You probably shouldn't be using ReiserFS for /, though. There are some known
problems with doing so, but I haven't noticed any (yet).

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:59:53 +0800, "Loke Kit Kai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have
> chance to play with it yet... having exams now...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52
> To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
>
>
> For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to
mount
> your partitions with the notail parameter.
>
> However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and
> business-oriented
> distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for
servers.
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, "Loke Kit Kai"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Ronald J. Hall
> > Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19
> > To: Mandrake Newbie List
> > Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
> >
> >
> > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> > >
> > > I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include
ReiserFS.
> > You must
> > > remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and
> > reliability
> >
> > Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a
chance
> > to
> > hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software
engineer
> > from
> > Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what
you
> > just said.
> >
> > However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware
> test?
> >
> > So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets
a
> > little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise,
against
> > the
> > ext3 fs?
> >
> > Later! ;-)
> >
> > --
> >
> >
/\
> >
> > Dark> >
\/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sridhar Dhanapalan
>
> "... if you're a basic PC user thinking about buying XP, don't. It's
> basically
> malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain
a
> Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child
when
> you
> try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it
> disapproves." -- Thomas C. Greene, "Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2", The Register
> (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-10-30.
>



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RE: [newbie] 8.1 PowerPack

2001-11-01 Thread Franki

Wow, heard alot of bad stuff about mandrakeshop,,

I can't say I have experianced that yet, I got my download disks promptly,
and the others should arrive in AUstralia
any day now...


rgds

Frank
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles A Edwards
Sent: Friday, 2 November 2001 2:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] 8.1 PowerPack



I received today my 8.1 PowerPack which I had ordered through MandrakeSoft.

BTW
The 8.1 Download edition which I was supposed to be sent to use until
the PowerPack was ready were included in the same package.


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RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...

2001-11-01 Thread Franki

I have done that before myself with no problems..

but if you want to change it, it should be the same as any other
partition...

make a new partition and format it ext2 or 3, (dunno if it has to be at the
start of the disk or not, but it couldn't hurt)

copy everything from boot into it..

then edit /etc/fstab to point /boot to your new partiton..

reboot..

like I said, I have not done it with boot before, but I did it totally
sucessfully with /var in 8.1
(in my case, /var ran out of space and I needed heaps more, so I added
another drive (three in that system now)
and created /var2 on it.. formated it reiserfs and mounted it and copied
everything from var into it..

then edited fstab to mount that new partition as var and removed the entry
for the old one..

then rebooted and lo and behold,, it worked. I was feeling rather proud of
myself. :-)


rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Loke Kit Kai
Sent: Friday, 2 November 2001 1:25 AM
To: 'Sridhar Dhanapalan'; Mandrake List (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...


oh no... I use ReiserFS for /... how do I change that to wat ever u
recommend? or do I have to reinstall the whole system? so sorry that I asked
so many questions

-Original Message-
From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 02 November 2001 01:20
To: Loke Kit Kai
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...


My /etc/fstab line looks like this:

/dev/hda1 / reiserfs notail 1 1

You probably shouldn't be using ReiserFS for /, though. There are some known
problems with doing so, but I haven't noticed any (yet).

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:59:53 +0800, "Loke Kit Kai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have
> chance to play with it yet... having exams now...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52
> To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
>
>
> For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to
mount
> your partitions with the notail parameter.
>
> However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and
> business-oriented
> distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for
servers.
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, "Loke Kit Kai"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Ronald J. Hall
> > Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19
> > To: Mandrake Newbie List
> > Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
> >
> >
> > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> > >
> > > I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include
ReiserFS.
> > You must
> > > remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and
> > reliability
> >
> > Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a
chance
> > to
> > hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software
engineer
> > from
> > Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what
you
> > just said.
> >
> > However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware
> test?
> >
> > So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets
a
> > little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise,
against
> > the
> > ext3 fs?
> >
> > Later! ;-)
> >
> > --
> >
> >
/\
> >
> > Dark> >
\/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sridhar Dhanapalan
>
> "... if you're a basic PC user thinking about buying XP, don't. It's
> basically
> malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain
a
> Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child
when
> you
> try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it
> disapproves." -- Thomas C. Greene, "Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2", The Register
> (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-10-30.
>



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RE: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary

2001-11-01 Thread Franki

That can't be true, not according to my understanding of GPL copyleft..

redhat is absolutly chockers with GPL software, not the least of which is
the kernel itself,

they HAVE to be licensed as GPL,, without GPL, redhat would drop out of the
race in a big
hurry... not to mention ending up in court..



rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hal Wigoda
Sent: Friday, 2 November 2001 12:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary



I just saw Stallman speak last night
and he inferred that Red Hat is not GPL.

>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format...
>
> =_1004623536-1734-4670
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:39:32 +1100
> Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:40:39 -0500, Charles A Edwards
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > I do not understand the hue&cry, especially from linux users, about
the
> > > activation process of Windows XP, or the fact that it is tied to 1
system.
> > >
> > > This not an unheard of, or unused procedure.
> > >
> > > Red Hat has been using basicly the same in there treatment of
installations
> > > since 7.1.
> >
> > Ummm... How?
> >
> > Red Hat is GPL. You can download it freely of the Internet. What's the
point in
> > a product activation copy protection scheme then?
> >
> > --
>
>
> Yes RH is GPL, so is SuSE but you can not dowload a fully functional ISO
> of it.
>
> Being GPL has nothing to do with the basics action that RH "leads" one to
> beleive you must take once you have have installed RH.
>
> Read the following from the RH site:
>
>
>
>  
> "Get the most out of your Red Hat systems.
> Red Hat Network is an Internet solution for managing one or more Red Hat
> Linux systems.  All Security Alerts, Bug Fix Alerts, and Enhancement
> Alerts (collectively known as Errata Alerts) can be retreived directly
> from Red Hat. You can even have updates automatically delivered
> directly to your system as soon as they are released.
> Because Red Hat Network keeps track of when Errata Updates are
> released and sends you email notifications, it can:
> Reduce the time and effort required by system administrators to stay
>   on top of the Red Hat errata list
> Minimize security vulnerabilities in your network by providing the
>   patches as soon as Red Hat releases them
>
> Filter out package updates not relevant to your network
>
> Schedule Errata Updates so that packages are delivered to selected
>   systems when you want it
> To start using Red Hat Network today, follow these steps:
> Create a System Profile by registering your system with Red Hat
>   Network. Just run the command rhn_register on the system.
> Log in to Red Hat Network and entitle the system
>   to all the Software Manager benefits.
> Start scheduling updates.
> If you need help with these steps, refer to the Red Hat Network User
Reference Guide.
> If you are a current Red Hat Network customer, please read
> The New RHN to learn what has changed and what
> features have been added."
>
>
> When you register and  entitle your system, a profile for that system is
> created.
> If you wish to install on another or even change systems and still access
the
> RHN you must first unentitle the original system and then register and
entitle
> the second system.
> If you should wish to use the RHN on more then 1 system you must purchase
> additional subscribtions at $19.95 per month per machine.
>
> Sure, you can get around this by listing all updates applied to one system
> and then manually updating on any others that you might have.
> But how many users would even think of this much less do it.
>
> There is nothing wrong with RH doing this, linux distros if they are to
stay
> viable must find means of generating revenue beyond that aquired through
the
> sale of box sets of the OS.
>
> Is this exactly the same practice that is being used by MS with WP?
> No.
> But the basic priciple behind the approch both are taking is the same, 1
copy
> of the OS on one system.
>
> You may well have a differing view, that is why we each are individuals
and
> each has the 'right' to hold and express their own views.
>
> But, as to me personally, I can equate no difference between MS's policies
> in regards to XP and those being currently employeed by RH.
>
>
>Charles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>  
>
>
>
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RE: [newbie] current state of anti-aliasing in 8.1

2001-11-01 Thread Franki

I can't say this for certain, but I think it worked out of the box for me..

opening a file in a text editor in kde is SOO much clearer txt
then
in 7.2, which is what I had before..

everything txt wise seems clearer, so I am guessing its enabled by default
if everything
can support it..


rgds

Frank
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Rodríguez
Sent: Friday, 2 November 2001 12:29 AM
To: newbie
Subject: [newbie] current state of anti-aliasing in 8.1


What's the current state of anti-aliasing in 8.1?

Is there an easy way to get the system to anti-alias, or does it work
out of the box?

If it's not working out of the box, is it a reasonable thing to work
towards this for the next release?  If so, maybe we can incorporate
working anti-aliasing into Mandrake packaged programs as well?  (like
abiword)

How do you feel about this?

-Paul Rodríguez


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RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...

2001-11-01 Thread Franki

Old reiserfs versions, like those that come with 7.2 and before can have
problems with
disk intensive operations, like runnin postfix on it on a high intake mail
server..

I had this problem myself, and it was on a box that only did 6000 odd emails
a day..

got heaps of error messages in the logs from postfix reporting file system
problems,

I asked on the postfix list and its a known issue with reiserfs, which has
apparently
been fixed with 8.1's version.. I have not had any problems yet,, but have
yet to
put it on  the mail server...

in all other areas, Reiserfs has been flawless.. I look forward to the
upcoming complete
rebuild of it.


rgds

Frank
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Loke Kit Kai
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 11:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...


may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Ronald J. Hall
Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19
To: Mandrake Newbie List
Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...


Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
>
> I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS.
You must
> remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and
reliability

Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance
to
hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer
from
Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you
just said.

However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test?

So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a
little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against
the
ext3 fs?

Later! ;-)

--

   /\

Dark>

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Re: [newbie] IEEE-1394 support

2001-11-01 Thread Terry

On Thursday 01 November 2001 08:47 am, you wrote:
> I don't know, and don't know much about FireWire, USB, and USB2, but I
> get the feeling that (1) FireWire will always be more expensive than
> USB(2), and FireWire will be obsolete before USB(2).  Is there something
> that is driving you to use FireWire instead of USB?  I would look
> carefully at USB(2) before confirming a decision to use FireWire.

We are looking at FireWire for compatibility purposes between Mac and PC.  
Also because it was designed for high-bandwidth peripherals such as digital 
video equipement, and DVD writing capability, which is something that is 
relatively common here.  USB 2.0 is faster than FireWire currently, but USB 
and FireWire were designed to compliment one another, not replace one or the 
other.  FireWire can support up to 3200kB/sec (if memory serves me 
correctly), which even USB 2.0 can't come close to.

> I used to work for a large company that always used the high price
> spread -- mainframes were always IBM, never an IBM compatible; chose
> TokenRing ~10 years ago instead of Ethernet; etc.  While those decisions
> are not the total or primary reason, they are now in chapter 11.
>
> Randy Kramer

Being a state university, we don't have the luxury of getting the high price 
ticket items, but do get what we can, taking into consideration student 
request.  Hopefully we won't be going into Chapter 11 anytime soon! :)
-- 
Terry Sheltra
PC Technician/Network Administrator
University of Virginia
School of Architecture
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
434 (or 804) 982.3047

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[newbie] The 56K Professional Message Modem in Mandrake 8.1

2001-11-01 Thread Michael Carr

A sort of pre-sales query --

I've got a 3Com/US Robotics 56K Professional Message Modem, which worked
fine with Mandrake 7.2, SuSE 7.0 and 7.1, and currently (on the same PC)
with Windows 98 s.e, but not SuSE 7.2.

In SuSE's default dialler kinternet (much like kppp except for the security
vulnerabilities), a successful connection that progesses beyond the modem
handshake is apparently impossible. The same is true of wvdial; rather than
a usable connection, xconsole merely reports "linux pppd [] Couldn't
release PPP unit: Inappropriate ioctl for device". kppp sometimes obtains a
successful connection as opposed to a time-out, but not on a reliable basis.
It should be pointed out that when the Message Modem is replaced by a
Diamond 56e Pro, using the same settings, no problems arise.

So I was wondering what results people were experiencing with their
Professional Message Modems in Mandrake 8.1...

Thanks in advance,

Michael








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Re: [newbie] The Old Java /Mozilla Question...

2001-11-01 Thread Derek Jennings


This came from a mail on the Galeon list. It is true for Mozilla, Galeon and 
Netscape

Install mozilla at /usr/local/mozilla. The JAVA
plugin ( a symbolic link and java2 JVM) for mozilla
should be in installed in directory
/usr/local/mozilla/plugins. export
MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/mozilla then run your
galeon. It should work. Beware Java plugin for mozilla
you should blackdown (j2re1.3.0) or SUn's JAVA2
1.3.0_01. Good luck,


I think the last sentence means you should use the SUN jre rather than the 
download Netscape/Mozilla give you. I assume you know where to get the SUN jre


Derek



On Wednesday 31 October 2001 15:09, Franki wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> I have Mozilla 0.9.4 build 2001100112
>
> Its working perfectly well, I went to one of my sites which has a JAVA
> applet in it,,
>
> Mozilla poped out and asked me to download the Java plugin, which I did,
> (for linux of course)
>
> anyway, after a long download, the applet still doesn't work, there is a
> "java2"
> directory in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
>
> So its there, but Mozilla doesn't recognise it and prompts me to do it
> again..
>
> This has probably been answered many times, but I searched the archives and
> found no answer..
>
> i do not have NS6.1 installed.. why would I ? I have mozilla, this is
> running on mdk8.1 (or should I say not working.)
>
> any suggestions would be much appreciated.
>
> rgds
>
> Frank



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[newbie] Another Sound problem

2001-11-01 Thread Great Dragon

Alright, here is what I have:
a Dell GX1P with a Crystal Audio CS4232 sound card, on the board
It finds the driver but it can't load OPL3.  It says YM3812 and OPL-3 
driver, OPL3 not detected ff.  I run sndconfig and the first test comes back 
good, I can hear the wav, the midi gives me an error, errors about
/lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/OPL3.o.gz: init_module: No 
such device
/lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/OPL3.o.gz: insmod
/lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/OPL3.o.gz failed
/lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/OPL3.o.gz: insmod synth0 
failed

I play the system Beep in Startx but XMMS doens't put out any sound.  The 
display says its playing.  I also don't have a /dev/dsp directory.  I'm more 
than a little new, read everything I could and am confused as to what I need 
to have to get this to work, what I might be missing, and how to go about 
fixing it.

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Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail

2001-11-01 Thread Ralph Slooten

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Paul Schwebel wrote:

> Then, how do I get this to work? Say I put a
> .procmailrc in my home directory and another one in my
> wifes.
>
> The point of this is to filter the mail headers so
> that mail addressed to me goes to my mailbox and mail
> addressed to my wife goes to hers (we have different
> addresses that get forwarded to the same email account
> at my ISP).
>
> Now, say I log in. I have a .procmailrc in my home
> directory, so Linux invokes procmail. My recipe tries
> to move mail addressed to my wife into her home
> directory. I'm not logged in as root, so won't this
> fail?

Yes, in my opinion this will fail miserably. The problem here is that you
both receive mail via the same e-mail address (forwarded). There are
probably several complicated ways to get this eventually to work, maybe by
internally mailing messages accross, but this is of course a pain in the
ass. 1 solution I can think of is to "export" both your mail folders, into
a shared folder like /home/mail . In /home/mail you make then 2 folders,
one for you, the other for your wife. Give read / write / excecute acces to
both these folders of a common user (make something up like homemail or
something). Add yourselves into these groups, and then you and her can both
write and read into those folders. This way your .procmailrc can direct
messages to het straight into her mailfolder.

This of course has absolutely no point if you want total privacy, but hey,
you married her :-) LOL

Not sure what mail program you guys are using, but most standard
mailfolders can just be symlinked to the /home/mail/you or
/home/mail/your_wife folders.

Hope this helps ya,

greetings

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Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail

2001-11-01 Thread Paul

In reply to Paul Schwebel's words, written Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:10:46 -0800
(PST)

>Now, say I log in. I have a .procmailrc in my home
>directory, so Linux invokes procmail. My recipe tries
>to move mail addressed to my wife into her home
>directory. I'm not logged in as root, so won't this
>fail?

You will have to give yourself writing permissions in the directory of your
wife's home dir for this action to succeed, I'd say.
Paul

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Re: [newbie] password in network

2001-11-01 Thread Michael D. Viron

Are you trying to connect from a windows PC to a linux samba server?

If you are, you must make sure that either your windows username is mapped
to your unix username in /etc/smbusers (or possibly /etc/samba/smbusers,
depending on which version of samba / Mandrake you are using on the server)
or a valid unix username.  The password is then the same as the one for
your unix user account (which, if you want to make things easier, should be
the same as your windows user password).

Michael

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At 11:29 AM 11/01/2001 +, belcoop wrote:
>After reconfiguring many times the network, suddenly the computer appears on 
>the screen oof the windows network. 
>
>To access however, he asks for passwords. Where do I find/install them? 
>
>Thanks, 
>
>Geert
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RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...

2001-11-01 Thread Loke Kit Kai

oh no... I use ReiserFS for /... how do I change that to wat ever u
recommend? or do I have to reinstall the whole system? so sorry that I asked
so many questions

-Original Message-
From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 02 November 2001 01:20
To: Loke Kit Kai
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...


My /etc/fstab line looks like this:

/dev/hda1 / reiserfs notail 1 1

You probably shouldn't be using ReiserFS for /, though. There are some known
problems with doing so, but I haven't noticed any (yet).

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:59:53 +0800, "Loke Kit Kai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have
> chance to play with it yet... having exams now...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52
> To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
>
>
> For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to
mount
> your partitions with the notail parameter.
>
> However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and
> business-oriented
> distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for
servers.
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, "Loke Kit Kai"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Ronald J. Hall
> > Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19
> > To: Mandrake Newbie List
> > Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
> >
> >
> > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> > >
> > > I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include
ReiserFS.
> > You must
> > > remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and
> > reliability
> >
> > Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a
chance
> > to
> > hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software
engineer
> > from
> > Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what
you
> > just said.
> >
> > However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware
> test?
> >
> > So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets
a
> > little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise,
against
> > the
> > ext3 fs?
> >
> > Later! ;-)
> >
> > --
> >
> >
/\
> >
> > Dark> >
\/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sridhar Dhanapalan
>
> "... if you're a basic PC user thinking about buying XP, don't. It's
> basically
> malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain
a
> Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child
when
> you
> try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it
> disapproves." -- Thomas C. Greene, "Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2", The Register
> (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-10-30.
>



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Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail

2001-11-01 Thread Paul Schwebel


--- "Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, quaylar wrote:
> 
> So you better not run /etc/procmailrc!
> root privileges!!!
> Just make a simple one and copy to other users...
> much better than having
> a security 'hole'!

Then, how do I get this to work? Say I put a
.procmailrc in my home directory and another one in my
wifes. 

The point of this is to filter the mail headers so
that mail addressed to me goes to my mailbox and mail
addressed to my wife goes to hers (we have different
addresses that get forwarded to the same email account
at my ISP). 

Now, say I log in. I have a .procmailrc in my home
directory, so Linux invokes procmail. My recipe tries
to move mail addressed to my wife into her home
directory. I'm not logged in as root, so won't this
fail?


> 
> >>Will this work?? The man page says nothing about
> /etc/procmailrc.
> >u sure ? and whats this then :
> >man procmail
> >"If no rcfiles and no -p have been specified on the
> command
> >line,  procmail  will, prior to reading
> $HOME/.procmailrc,
> >interpret  commands  from  /etc/procmailrc  (if 
> present).
> >Care must be taken when creating /etc/procmailrc,
> because,
> >if circumstances permit, it will  be  executed 
> with  root
> >privileges  (contrary  to  the  $HOME/.procmailrc 
> file of
> >course)."
> >read more carefully ;)
> >--quay
> 
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RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...

2001-11-01 Thread Loke Kit Kai

how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have
chance to play with it yet... having exams now...

-Original Message-
From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52
To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List
Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...


For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to mount
your partitions with the notail parameter.

However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and
business-oriented
distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for servers.


On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, "Loke Kit Kai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Ronald J. Hall
> Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19
> To: Mandrake Newbie List
> Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
>
>
> Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> >
> > I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS.
> You must
> > remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and
> reliability
>
> Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance
> to
> hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer
> from
> Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you
> just said.
>
> However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware
test?
>
> So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a
> little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against
> the
> ext3 fs?
>
> Later! ;-)
>
> --
>
>/\
>
> Dark>\/
>
>
>
>



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basically
malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain a
Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child when
you
try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it
disapproves." -- Thomas C. Greene, "Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2", The Register
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Re: [newbie] current state of anti-aliasing in 8.1

2001-11-01 Thread shane

all i know is that 8.1 is the install ever that i have tried that did _not_ 
require a visit to the "font deuglification" page.  :0

On Thursday 01 November 2001 08:29, you spoke unto me thusly:
> What's the current state of anti-aliasing in 8.1?
>
> Is there an easy way to get the system to anti-alias, or does it work
> out of the box?
>
> If it's not working out of the box, is it a reasonable thing to work
> towards this for the next release?  If so, maybe we can incorporate
> working anti-aliasing into Mandrake packaged programs as well?  (like
> abiword)


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Re: [newbie] now THAT is irritating

2001-11-01 Thread kons Richard Bown

Now if you find that annoying, what about a certain server which keeps
sending mail back for two reason, 1 his mailbox is full and secondly an
unrecognised characterset.
probally the 2 little dots above the letter o in the town I'm in

regards richard


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Re: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary

2001-11-01 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

RMS is the kind of guy who is very easily misunderstood. He is also the kind of
guy that tends to go a little overboard with things. In some cases, he mellows
out with time, after an initial burst of accusations. In short, he's eccentric.
And eccentricity and genius go hand-in-hand :)

Red Hat has always prided itself on how it licenses everything it makes for its
distro under the GPL. Michael Tiemann is one of the the largest corporate GPL
supporters, and I've always enjoyed his writings and speeches. One problem with
Red Hat, however, is that it is the most popular distribution. This has made it
behave in a somewhat proprietary manner, although within the scope of the GPL.
For example, they are not a member of the LSB, since they are already a de-facto
standard. Joining the LSB would jeapordise that position. Their move to gcc 2.96
has been very controversial. To see Red Hat's defence, see
http://bero.org/gcc296.html. They made a similar move some years ago, when they
switched from libc to glibc. This broke compatibility with other distributions,
and it took about a year before things were back to normal again.

However, in the case of libc/glibc, somebody had to make the move forward in
order to progress. Red Hat, being the largest distro company and the de facto
standard, took the initiative, and so have been blamed for deliberately making
their distro incompatible with others. Without a standards body like the LSB,
Red Hat was responsible for the community as a whole.

Things should improve in the future, as distros sync with the LSB.


On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:41:57 -0600 (CST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Wigoda)
wrote:
> 
> I just saw Stallman speak last night
> and he inferred that Red Hat is not GPL.
> 
> > 
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format...
> > 
> > =_1004623536-1734-4670
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> > 
> > On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:39:32 +1100
> > Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:40:39 -0500, Charles A Edwards
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I do not understand the hue&cry, especially from linux users, about the 
> > > > activation process of Windows XP, or the fact that it is tied to 1
> > > > system.
> > > > 
> > > > This not an unheard of, or unused procedure.
> > > > 
> > > > Red Hat has been using basicly the same in there treatment of
> > > > installations since 7.1.
> > > 
> > > Ummm... How?
> > > 
> > > Red Hat is GPL. You can download it freely of the Internet. What's the
> > > point in a product activation copy protection scheme then?
> > > 
> > > -- 
> >   
> >  
> > Yes RH is GPL, so is SuSE but you can not dowload a fully functional ISO
> > of it.
> > 
> > Being GPL has nothing to do with the basics action that RH "leads" one to
> > beleive you must take once you have have installed RH.
> > 
> > Read the following from the RH site:
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > "Get the most out of your Red Hat systems.
> > Red Hat Network is an Internet solution for managing one or more Red Hat
> > Linux systems.  All Security Alerts, Bug Fix Alerts, and Enhancement
> > Alerts (collectively known as Errata Alerts) can be retreived directly
> > from Red Hat. You can even have updates automatically delivered
> > directly to your system as soon as they are released.
> > Because Red Hat Network keeps track of when Errata Updates are
> > released and sends you email notifications, it can:
> > Reduce the time and effort required by system administrators to stay
> >   on top of the Red Hat errata list
> > Minimize security vulnerabilities in your network by providing the
> >   patches as soon as Red Hat releases them
> >  
> > Filter out package updates not relevant to your network
> >  
> > Schedule Errata Updates so that packages are delivered to selected
> >   systems when you want it
> > To start using Red Hat Network today, follow these steps:
> > Create a System Profile by registering your system with Red Hat
> >   Network. Just run the command rhn_register on the system.
> > Log in to Red Hat Network and entitle the system 
> >   to all the Software Manager benefits.
> > Start scheduling updates.
> > If you need help with these steps, refer to the Red Hat Network User
> > Reference Guide. If you are a current Red Hat Network customer, please read
> > The New RHN to learn what has changed and what 
> > features have been added."
> > 
> > 
> > When you register and  entitle your system, a profile for that system is
> > created.
> > If you wish to install on another or even change systems and still access
> > the RHN you must first unentitle the original system and then register and
> > entitle the second system.
> > If you should wish to use the RHN on more then 1 system you must purchase
> > additional subscribtions at $19.95 per month per machine.  
> > 
> > Sure, you can get around this by listing all updates applied to one system
> > and then manually updating on any ot

Re: [newbie] IRQ`s

2001-11-01 Thread Onur Kucuk


FS> Hello i have a little problem with my irq`s .
FS> Since i have quite a lot of hardware in my box there is some sharing. Now the 
FS> problem is that my wintv card shares an irq with my GeForce and since it 
FS> crashes my complete system after running xawtv or zapping as well as any 
FS> other tv prog its obviously not wise that they share the irq with the grafix 
FS> device =).

 Most probably the irq conflict is causing this, you are right.
 Especially the graphics card should stay alone, even though there are
 lots of irq management systems (mean the ones in your board and OS).

FS> Now i dont know much at all about irq management if someone could tell me the 
FS> comand to change an irq and which irq is free and available in my pc 
FS> here is a cat /proc/interrupts :

 Unfortunately there is no command that can change irqs, as long as
 they asre not pnp etc. But even if they are, I never could get success
 in this. Why ? Because IRQ's are managed by boards more strictly in
 later systems.

FS> # cat /proc/interrupts
FS>CPU0
FS>   0: 567487  XT-PIC  timer
FS>   1:   3092  XT-PIC  keyboard
FS>   2:  0  XT-PIC  cascade

  IRQ 3 and 4 seems to be not used. These are the serial ports. If
  you dont use any of them,or both, shut them off from your bios.

FS>   5:  0  XT-PIC  es1371
  You are very lucky your sound card uses irq 5 (I could not
  manage that) Keep it like this.

FS>   7:  1  XT-PIC  parport0
FS>   8:  1  XT-PIC  rtc
FS>  10:   4323  XT-PIC  usb-uhci, usb-uhci, eth0

 If you are not using any usb devices, shut your usb controllers
 from your bios. They dont screw things but it would be better.

FS>  11: 238652  XT-PIC  bttv, nvidia

 I guess your tv card is in slot 1 of your board. Usually in
 boards the pci slot 1 and the agp slot share the same irq, so
 change the place of it.

FS>  12:  90182  XT-PIC  PS/2 Mouse
FS>  14:  54881  XT-PIC  ide0
FS>  15:   7586  XT-PIC  ide1

 These are all fine. I guess 13 is also being used by something
 related to CPU, so dont try to use 13. (most probably cant
 either)

FS> NMI:  0
FS> ERR:  0

FS> All devices are listed exept my firewire card which i didnt load yet but if i 
FS> remember right it would, if loaded, use irq 9 but i might be wrong about that.

Actually irq 9 is not as fine as irq 5,10,11 etc. but I did not
have any troubles using that.

Usually boards assign irqs to pci slots, that is like pci slot 3
can only use irq 9 and the irq of the pci slot 6 (something like
that). You can find info about this in your mobo's manual, though
you dont need to waste your time.

Simply, shut down the systms that you dont use, serial port,
parallel port, usb etc. After all that, try different combinations
of pci slots on your board, after a few tries you will realize how
to solve your trouble.

 Good Luck
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RE: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary

2001-11-01 Thread Loke Kit Kai

guys... can u guys stop arguing about these stuffs... do u know if microsoft
officials are lurking in the list, their smile are from ear to ear... do u
want linux to be seperated to different camps? development hindered by
disunity like unix? Go ahead and argue about small things... Microsoft is
the one gaining...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sridhar Dhanapalan
Sent: 02 November 2001 00:13
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary


Are you saying that you don't trust the entire RHN just because of a bug in
the
software? Do you think Red Hat did it on purpose? That sounds rather unfair
to
me. Remember, everything is GPL, just like MandrakeOnline. There is nothing
hidden here.

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:37:09 -0500 (EST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I don't trust the RedHat Network though.  I had a customer that had his
> entire /usr/bin directory wiped out after running the RH Network daemon.
> It was a bloody mess.
>
> Arthur H. Johnson II
> The Linux Box
> http://www.linuxbox.nu
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Charles A Edwards wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:39:32 +1100
> > Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:40:39 -0500, Charles A Edwards
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I do not understand the hue&cry, especially from linux users, about
the
> > > > activation process of Windows XP, or the fact that it is tied to 1
> > > > system.
> > > >
> > > > This not an unheard of, or unused procedure.
> > > >
> > > > Red Hat has been using basicly the same in there treatment of
> > > > installations since 7.1.
> > >
> > > Ummm... How?
> > >
> > > Red Hat is GPL. You can download it freely of the Internet. What's the
> > > point in a product activation copy protection scheme then?
> > >
> > > --
> >
> >
> > Yes RH is GPL, so is SuSE but you can not dowload a fully functional ISO
> > of it.
> >
> > Being GPL has nothing to do with the basics action that RH "leads" one
to
> > beleive you must take once you have have installed RH.
> >
> > Read the following from the RH site:
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> > "Get the most out of your Red Hat systems.
> > Red Hat Network is an Internet solution for managing one or more Red Hat
> > Linux systems.  All Security Alerts, Bug Fix Alerts, and Enhancement
> > Alerts (collectively known as Errata Alerts) can be retreived directly
> > from Red Hat. You can even have updates automatically delivered
> > directly to your system as soon as they are released.
> > Because Red Hat Network keeps track of when Errata Updates are
> > released and sends you email notifications, it can:
> > Reduce the time and effort required by system administrators to stay
> >   on top of the Red Hat errata list
> > Minimize security vulnerabilities in your network by providing the
> >   patches as soon as Red Hat releases them
> >
> > Filter out package updates not relevant to your network
> >
> > Schedule Errata Updates so that packages are delivered to selected
> >   systems when you want it
> > To start using Red Hat Network today, follow these steps:
> > Create a System Profile by registering your system with Red Hat
> >   Network. Just run the command rhn_register on the system.
> > Log in to Red Hat Network and entitle the system
> >   to all the Software Manager benefits.
> > Start scheduling updates.
> > If you need help with these steps, refer to the Red Hat Network User
> > Reference Guide. If you are a current Red Hat Network customer, please
read
> > The New RHN to learn what has changed and what
> > features have been added."
> >
> >
> > When you register and  entitle your system, a profile for that system is
> > created.
> > If you wish to install on another or even change systems and still
access
> > the RHN you must first unentitle the original system and then register
and
> > entitle the second system.
> > If you should wish to use the RHN on more then 1 system you must
purchase
> > additional subscribtions at $19.95 per month per machine.
> >
> > Sure, you can get around this by listing all updates applied to one
system
> > and then manually updating on any others that you might have.
> > But how many users would even think of this much less do it.
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with RH doing this, linux distros if they are to
stay
> > viable must find means of generating revenue beyond that aquired through
the
> > sale of box sets of the OS.
> >
> > Is this exactly the same practice that is being used by MS with WP?
> > No.
> > But the basic priciple behind the approch both are taking is the same, 1
> > copy of the OS on one system.
> >
> > You may well have a differing view, that is why we each are individuals
and
> > each has the 'right' to hold and express their own views.
> >
> > But, as to me personally, I can equate no difference between MS's
policies
> > in regards to XP and

Re: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary

2001-11-01 Thread Charles A Edwards

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:40:23 +1100
Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:06:35 -0500, Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:39:32 +1100
> > Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> 
> 
> If you have a problem with RHN, then you have a problem with customised web
> services in general. Services are the only way that companies like Mandrake and
> Red Hat can make significant amounts of money, since they are losing money on
> their distributions. There is nothing wrong with web services, provided that
> they are carried out in an ethical manner. RHN and MandrakeOnline only collect
> the information they need to do a specific task. They don't try to cover
> everything from e-mail to e-commerce, and they don't subvert the user's Internet
> experience like XP. They also clearly spell out what they are doing, and they
> don't try to press-gang the user into joining. They are also GPL, so there is no
> chance of spyware and little chance of insecurity (because of peer review,
> etc.).
>
 

I have no problem with RHN as so stated in my previous post.

I used it with 7.1 and am currently using it with 7.2

It was not my objective to either vilify RH nor to condone the actions or
behaviour of MS.

You are speaking of the actuality of the consequences as handled and applied
by either party.
I was speaking of and comparing only the base concept as being used by both
and the common core from which it was derived.

We hold differing views on this matter.
You need not agree or change to mine, nor I to yours.
Both, should, and do, have their place.
And each should be respected as such.   


   Charles
  

 




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Re: [newbie] xp remote access safe?

2001-11-01 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:23:55 +0200, "Mohammed Arafa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> any xp pc with web services enabled for remote access can be accessed with
> http://ip/tsweb/
> it will give u the xp logon screen.
> 
> my question is ..is it safe? coz altho i m pro linux , the workstations are
> m$ territory n the organisation is thinking of upgrading from nt to xp.
> are there any articles or security warning regarding this?
> 
> thx

Mandrake has had this sort of feature for quite some time through Webmin. Webmin
uses HTTPS, the secure form of HTTP. Using HTTP (not HTTPS) alone, which XP does
(according to your post) is VERY insecure. Nothing is encrypted or protected in
any way. Things like passwords would be passed over the Internet in plain text.
This, combined with the XP feature of being able to be controlled remotely
(something that X has been able to do since the beginning, and securely too), is
a MAJOR security risk.

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan

"I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows.
You may laugh at my expense -- I deserve it."
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Re: [newbie] Windows eXPerience, MandrakeLinux saves the Day-ta

2001-11-01 Thread Carroll Grigsby

civileme wrote:
> 
> I knew that extra phone listing might be handy someday.  Fussing with a
> download that wouldn't md5sum and needing it very badly, I was only too happy
> for the break when the phone rang and I picked it up, saying "Mandrakesoft".
> 
> "Errr, I have a REAL problem. "
> 
> "Is it with one of our systems?"
> 
> "No," he replied, "but I'll buy the most expensive boxed set if your system
> can help me."
> 
> In the course of a few minutes I learned that this fellow hadf a Dell
> Dimension P-II 400 with STB Velocity card and Turtle Beach Montego II Sound
> card, and he had been running Win98 successfully.  He had a Microsoft-badged
> optical mouse and Microsoft-badged USB keyboard.
> 
> When WinXP came out, his father was the first person in line at CompUSA to
> buy it at 12:01 am October 25th.
> 
> So he installed the update.
> 
> Keyboard and mouse promptly stopped working.
> 
> His plan was to install linux, copy his vital data over to it, then format
> the winpartition and reinstall XP cleanly as Microsoft Support (Two hours on
> hold long distance to Redmond ) assured him if he did that that his keyboard
> and mouse would work.
> 
> I told him where to pick up the download edition of 8.1 and he took them.  An
> hour later I had a call, "It won't resize Windows small enough."
> 
> By now it was 7 pm.  I went to his computer and brough along a spare 10G
> disk.  I added it temporarily on the spare connector and let him install ML
> 8.1 to the second disk, making sure he chose GRUB to boot with.
> 
> Everything worked, and his cable modem connected out of the box--only the
> advisory popped up to visit sourceforge about the sound card.  Transferring
> his 2.2G of files was a snap, then diskdrake was called to clean up the messy
> hda, partitioning 3/4 of it for windows and leaving the rest for his "rescue
> system".
> 
> WinXP balked and insisted on seeing the win98 CD, then it installed, taking
> out the boot record entry for linux (but we had a boot disk).  The mouse and
> keyboard worked fine until the final reboot then communication ceased.
> 
> Now out with the win98 disk but it refuses to install over XP.  Back to Linux
> and diskdrake from a terminal su'ed too root to wipe clean again.
> 
> Win98 now loads after an old installer trick of copying the win98 directory
> to the hard drive and installing from there.
> 
> And linux restores the 2.2 G of files it had saved.  Now the extra Hdd is
> removed and win98 is running using mouse and keyboard.
> 
> Back to CompUSA goes the XP even though one mouse worked long enough to send
> Redmond the info for the activation Code.  Into CompUSA is placed an Order
> for ProSuite.  He already has the Aureal drivers from sourceforge.
> 
> I know sometimes our system has trouble with a wheelmouse, and a lot of
> trouble if someone sets the wrong mouse type (3-button emulation kills
> wheelmice), but this is something I don't think we have ever done.  Certified
> Hardware not running on a new system is a serious flaw, and even a billion
> dollar advertising campaiggn and midnight starting sales will not correct
> that sort of flaw.
> 
> Civileme
> 
Civileme:
Exactly which support option covers house calls?
-- Carroll



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[newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...

2001-11-01 Thread Ronald J. Hall

Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> 
> I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS. You must
> remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and reliability

Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance to
hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer from
Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you
just said.

However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test?

So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a
little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against the
ext3 fs?

Later! ;-)

-- 
 
   /\
   Dark>

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Re: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary

2001-11-01 Thread arthur


I don't trust the RedHat Network though.  I had a customer that had his
entire /usr/bin directory wiped out after running the RH Network daemon.
It was a bloody mess.

Arthur H. Johnson II
The Linux Box
http://www.linuxbox.nu
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Charles A Edwards wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:39:32 +1100
> Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:40:39 -0500, Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > I do not understand the hue&cry, especially from linux users, about the
> > > activation process of Windows XP, or the fact that it is tied to 1 system.
> > >
> > > This not an unheard of, or unused procedure.
> > >
> > > Red Hat has been using basicly the same in there treatment of installations
> > > since 7.1.
> >
> > Ummm... How?
> >
> > Red Hat is GPL. You can download it freely of the Internet. What's the point in
> > a product activation copy protection scheme then?
> >
> > --
>
>
> Yes RH is GPL, so is SuSE but you can not dowload a fully functional ISO
> of it.
>
> Being GPL has nothing to do with the basics action that RH "leads" one to
> beleive you must take once you have have installed RH.
>
> Read the following from the RH site:
>
>
>
>  
> "Get the most out of your Red Hat systems.
> Red Hat Network is an Internet solution for managing one or more Red Hat
> Linux systems.  All Security Alerts, Bug Fix Alerts, and Enhancement
> Alerts (collectively known as Errata Alerts) can be retreived directly
> from Red Hat. You can even have updates automatically delivered
> directly to your system as soon as they are released.
> Because Red Hat Network keeps track of when Errata Updates are
> released and sends you email notifications, it can:
> Reduce the time and effort required by system administrators to stay
>   on top of the Red Hat errata list
> Minimize security vulnerabilities in your network by providing the
>   patches as soon as Red Hat releases them
>
> Filter out package updates not relevant to your network
>
> Schedule Errata Updates so that packages are delivered to selected
>   systems when you want it
> To start using Red Hat Network today, follow these steps:
> Create a System Profile by registering your system with Red Hat
>   Network. Just run the command rhn_register on the system.
> Log in to Red Hat Network and entitle the system
>   to all the Software Manager benefits.
> Start scheduling updates.
> If you need help with these steps, refer to the Red Hat Network User Reference Guide.
> If you are a current Red Hat Network customer, please read
> The New RHN to learn what has changed and what
> features have been added."
>
>
> When you register and  entitle your system, a profile for that system is
> created.
> If you wish to install on another or even change systems and still access the
> RHN you must first unentitle the original system and then register and entitle
> the second system.
> If you should wish to use the RHN on more then 1 system you must purchase
> additional subscribtions at $19.95 per month per machine.
>
> Sure, you can get around this by listing all updates applied to one system
> and then manually updating on any others that you might have.
> But how many users would even think of this much less do it.
>
> There is nothing wrong with RH doing this, linux distros if they are to stay
> viable must find means of generating revenue beyond that aquired through the
> sale of box sets of the OS.
>
> Is this exactly the same practice that is being used by MS with WP?
> No.
> But the basic priciple behind the approch both are taking is the same, 1 copy
> of the OS on one system.
>
> You may well have a differing view, that is why we each are individuals and
> each has the 'right' to hold and express their own views.
>
> But, as to me personally, I can equate no difference between MS's policies
> in regards to XP and those being currently employeed by RH.
>
>
>Charles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>  
>
>
>




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Re: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary

2001-11-01 Thread Peter Watson

On Thursday 01 November 2001 14:06 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:39:32 +1100
>
> Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:40:39 -0500, Charles A Edwards
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > I do not understand the hue&cry, especially from linux users,
> > > about the activation process of Windows XP, or the fact that it
> > > is tied to 1 system.
> > >
> > > This not an unheard of, or unused procedure.
> > >
> > > Red Hat has been using basicly the same in there treatment of
> > > installations since 7.1.
> >
> > Ummm... How?
> >
> > Red Hat is GPL. You can download it freely of the Internet.
> > What's the point in a product activation copy protection scheme
> > then?
> >
> > --
>
> Yes RH is GPL, so is SuSE but you can not dowload a fully
> functional ISO of it.
>
> Being GPL has nothing to do with the basics action that RH "leads"
> one to beleive you must take once you have have installed RH.
>
> Read the following from the RH site:
>
>
>
>  
> "Get the most out of your Red Hat systems.
> Red Hat Network is an Internet solution for managing one or more
> Red Hat Linux systems.  All Security Alerts, Bug Fix Alerts, and
> Enhancement Alerts (collectively known as Errata Alerts) can be
> retreived directly from Red Hat. You can even have updates
> automatically delivered directly to your system as soon as they are
> released.
> Because Red Hat Network keeps track of when Errata Updates are
> released and sends you email notifications, it can:
> Reduce the time and effort required by system administrators to
> stay on top of the Red Hat errata list
> Minimize security vulnerabilities in your network by providing the
>   patches as soon as Red Hat releases them
>
> Filter out package updates not relevant to your network
>
> Schedule Errata Updates so that packages are delivered to selected
>   systems when you want it
> To start using Red Hat Network today, follow these steps:
> Create a System Profile by registering your system with Red Hat
>   Network. Just run the command rhn_register on the system.
> Log in to Red Hat Network and entitle the system
>   to all the Software Manager benefits.
> Start scheduling updates.
> If you need help with these steps, refer to the Red Hat Network
> User Reference Guide. If you are a current Red Hat Network
> customer, please read The New RHN to learn what has changed and
> what
> features have been added."
>
>
> When you register and  entitle your system, a profile for that
> system is created.
> If you wish to install on another or even change systems and still
> access the RHN you must first unentitle the original system and
> then register and entitle the second system.
> If you should wish to use the RHN on more then 1 system you must
> purchase additional subscribtions at $19.95 per month per machine.
>
> Sure, you can get around this by listing all updates applied to one
> system and then manually updating on any others that you might
> have. But how many users would even think of this much less do it.
>
> There is nothing wrong with RH doing this, linux distros if they
> are to stay viable must find means of generating revenue beyond
> that aquired through the sale of box sets of the OS.
>
> Is this exactly the same practice that is being used by MS with WP?
> No.
> But the basic priciple behind the approch both are taking is the
> same, 1 copy of the OS on one system.
>
> You may well have a differing view, that is why we each are
> individuals and each has the 'right' to hold and express their own
> views.
>
> But, as to me personally, I can equate no difference between MS's
> policies in regards to XP and those being currently employeed by
> RH.
>
>
>Charles


I think that you're missing the point here. Red Hat Network is an 
entirely voluntary service which you _may_ choose to use or not. It 
does not affect your use of the operating system in any way.

On the other hand there is absolutely nothing voluntary about M$ 
activation, and it does _not_ provide you with the sort of service 
that Red Hat Network gives.


Regards

Pete



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Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...

2001-11-01 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:18:30 -0500, "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
> > 
> > I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS. You
> > must remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and
> > reliability
> 
> Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance to
> hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer from
> Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you
> just said.
> 
> However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test?
> 
> So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a
> little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against the
> ext3 fs?
> 
> Later! ;-)

It really depends on what you're doing. I wasn't trying to diss ReiserFS in my
earlier post - I use it at home and I quite like it. However, every FS has its
strengths and weaknesses, and overall I think that Ext3 is a better server FS.
ReiserFS is best when space is at a premium (because the tails can be packed),
or when you're dealing with many small files. The former case is uncommon in the
server arena (since servers usually have oodles of space). The latter may come
into play in a webserver environment, where many small HTML and picture files
are served. I have little idea of how ReiserFS currently behaves in a RAID
environment, which is common on servers. It used to have RAID issues, but now I
believe it works... slowly (IIRC).

ReiserFS is built using balanced trees, which are generally slow. Nevertheless,
Hans Reiser and his crew have done a marvellous job at making ReiserFS a
relatively fast FS. Still, I don't think it is a real 'heavy duty' FS, nor was
it designed to be. Reiser 4, due 30 September 2002, will be built using the more
advanced dancing trees method. It will feature a plug-in architecture, allowing
the easy creation and addition of extensions. It will be secure (they're being
funded by the US Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency), and it should be
capable of doing what ReiserFS was originally slated to do - host a database
_directly_ on the filesystem. This should dramatically boost database
performance, and should make Reiser 4 the fastest FS around for databases.

-- 
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[newbie] xp remote access safe?

2001-11-01 Thread Mohammed Arafa

any xp pc with web services enabled for remote access can be accessed with
http://ip/tsweb/
it will give u the xp logon screen.

my question is ..is it safe? coz altho i m pro linux , the workstations are
m$ territory n the organisation is thinking of upgrading from nt to xp.
are there any articles or security warning regarding this?

thx


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[newbie] time for a new worm

2001-11-01 Thread kons Richard Bown

here's an idea for some bright spark, how about a worm which changes the
reg data in XP, and puts a penguin instead of their daft logo.
I wonder how long it would take norton etc, to ignore it as well.


have fun
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Re: [newbie] Help with KDE

2001-11-01 Thread Randy Kramer

Bill,

These are rather terse answers because I can't tell you at this time
exactly how to do these things.  I put this under the category of "any
help" and only responded because, AFAICT, no one else has responded so
far.

William R. Nash wrote:
> 1.  Is there a way i can use JAVA with kongueror with mandrake 8.1.  I
> believe i install java on the computer.

Yes.  I believe you will have to download a Java something (program) and
then install it in konqueror, maybe via a plugin.  I can't think of the
correct name for the Java program, but I think of it as the Java
interpreter.  Several varieties are available, including one from IBM. 
If you search the archives, you will find posts that mention the
varieties and make recommendations as to the best.

> 
> 2.  How can i set up the network section under kongueror.  I have 3
> linux machine running on 200 mhz computer and 1 500 mhz computer
> running windows xp.  I would like to be able to conect to all
> machine via network.  now what i have been doing to ftp program from
> computer to computer.  this is what i have setup.
> 
> 1 computer running linux mandrake 8.1.  firewall ftp and webpage
> email. internet gateway.
> 1 computer linux mandrake 8.1 been testing red hat 7.2 test machine
> 1 computer linux mandrake 8.1 wife computer
> 1 windows xp due to some software that will not run under linux.
> 

Almost certainly yes.  The only reason for my uncertainty is that I've
heard vague things about limitations in XP about what they allow you to
network with -- I vaguely have the impression that all computers
networked with an XP computer have to be running XP, but, assuming and
hoping that information is incorrect, what you want is Samba which is a
Linux equivalent of the Microsoft smb protocol and networking software. 
You will be able to share files and printers, and the Windows box will
be able to find them in Network Neighborhood just like it would if it
was networked to other Windows computers.  (And, of course, the Linux
box can use access files and printers on the Windows box.)

I've done a little bit with Samba, I've experimented with smbclient and
mounting a windows drive  in a Linux box by setting up fstab
appropriately.  (All this stuff was from several installs ago, so I
can't send you a current fstab or smbclient command or configuration.)

If you want your Linux boxes to see stuff on the Windows box, all you
need is smbclient or modifications to fstab.  If you want the Windows
box to see stuff on the Linux boxes, AFAIK, a Samba server must be set
up on each Linux box.

When I attempted all of this, I found instructions that seemed rather
simple for the smbclient and fstab stuff, the Samba server seemed to
require a lot more reading.  (It might be simple enough, I just haven't
tried to wade through it.)

Actually, I've just moved some pages from by private TWiki to WikiLearn
hopefully to help:  (These are TWiki pages, so if you find errors or can
make them better you can register and edit the pages -- see
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/AboutThesePages.)  (I do not
consider the pages "finished" -- I moved them to WikiLearn just now in
order to possibly provide some help to you.)

http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/Samba
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/InstallingSambaBeginner
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/SambaResources
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/fstabFile
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/SambaMount
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/SambaClientInKonqueror

Hope this helps,
Randy Kramer



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Re: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary

2001-11-01 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:06:35 -0500, Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:39:32 +1100
> Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:40:39 -0500, Charles A Edwards
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I do not understand the hue&cry, especially from linux users, about the 
> > > activation process of Windows XP, or the fact that it is tied to 1 system.
> > > 
> > > This not an unheard of, or unused procedure.
> > > 
> > > Red Hat has been using basicly the same in there treatment of
> > > installations since 7.1.
> > 
> > Ummm... How?
> > 
> > Red Hat is GPL. You can download it freely of the Internet. What's the point
> > in a product activation copy protection scheme then?
> > 
> > -- 
>   
>  
> Yes RH is GPL, so is SuSE but you can not dowload a fully functional ISO
> of it.
> 
> Being GPL has nothing to do with the basics action that RH "leads" one to
> beleive you must take once you have have installed RH.
> 
> Read the following from the RH site:
>  
> 
> 
>  
> "Get the most out of your Red Hat systems.
> Red Hat Network is an Internet solution for managing one or more Red Hat
> Linux systems.  All Security Alerts, Bug Fix Alerts, and Enhancement
> Alerts (collectively known as Errata Alerts) can be retreived directly
> from Red Hat. You can even have updates automatically delivered
> directly to your system as soon as they are released.
> Because Red Hat Network keeps track of when Errata Updates are
> released and sends you email notifications, it can:
> Reduce the time and effort required by system administrators to stay
>   on top of the Red Hat errata list
> Minimize security vulnerabilities in your network by providing the
>   patches as soon as Red Hat releases them
>  
> Filter out package updates not relevant to your network
>  
> Schedule Errata Updates so that packages are delivered to selected
>   systems when you want it
> To start using Red Hat Network today, follow these steps:
> Create a System Profile by registering your system with Red Hat
>   Network. Just run the command rhn_register on the system.
> Log in to Red Hat Network and entitle the system 
>   to all the Software Manager benefits.
> Start scheduling updates.
> If you need help with these steps, refer to the Red Hat Network User Reference
> Guide. If you are a current Red Hat Network customer, please read
> The New RHN to learn what has changed and what 
> features have been added."
> 
> 
> When you register and  entitle your system, a profile for that system is
> created.
> If you wish to install on another or even change systems and still access the
> RHN you must first unentitle the original system and then register and entitle
> the second system.
> If you should wish to use the RHN on more then 1 system you must purchase
> additional subscribtions at $19.95 per month per machine.  
> 
> Sure, you can get around this by listing all updates applied to one system
> and then manually updating on any others that you might have.
> But how many users would even think of this much less do it.
> 
> There is nothing wrong with RH doing this, linux distros if they are to stay
> viable must find means of generating revenue beyond that aquired through the
> sale of box sets of the OS.
> 
> Is this exactly the same practice that is being used by MS with WP?
> No.
> But the basic priciple behind the approch both are taking is the same, 1 copy
> of the OS on one system.
> 
> You may well have a differing view, that is why we each are individuals and 
> each has the 'right' to hold and express their own views.
> 
> But, as to me personally, I can equate no difference between MS's policies 
> in regards to XP and those being currently employeed by RH. 
> 
> 
>Charles

I think these things are _very_ different. The Red Hat Network is completely
voluntary, and there is no constant nagging to join it as there is in XP to join
Passport. Also, the information collected by RHN is limited to basic
identification and contact details, along with system configuration information.
This is merely to customise updates and notification of those updates for the
consumer. RHN doesn't ask for your credit card numbers or all your passports,
nor does it try to channel you to specific web sites so that you are less likely
to visit competing sites. In fact, RHN is not very different from
MandrakeOnline.

If you have a problem with RHN, then you have a problem with customised web
services in general. Services are the only way that companies like Mandrake and
Red Hat can make significant amounts of money, since they are losing money on
their distributions. There is nothing wrong with web services, provided that
they are carried out in an ethical manner. RHN and MandrakeOnline only collect
the information they need to do a specific task. They don't try to cover
everything from e-mail to e-commerce, and they don't subvert the user's Internet
experience like XP. They also clearly spell out wha

Re: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary

2001-11-01 Thread Charles A Edwards

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:39:32 +1100
Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:40:39 -0500, Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I do not understand the hue&cry, especially from linux users, about the 
> > activation process of Windows XP, or the fact that it is tied to 1 system.
> > 
> > This not an unheard of, or unused procedure.
> > 
> > Red Hat has been using basicly the same in there treatment of installations
> > since 7.1.
> 
> Ummm... How?
> 
> Red Hat is GPL. You can download it freely of the Internet. What's the point in
> a product activation copy protection scheme then?
> 
> -- 
  
 
Yes RH is GPL, so is SuSE but you can not dowload a fully functional ISO
of it.

Being GPL has nothing to do with the basics action that RH "leads" one to
beleive you must take once you have have installed RH.

Read the following from the RH site:
 


 
"Get the most out of your Red Hat systems.
Red Hat Network is an Internet solution for managing one or more Red Hat
Linux systems.  All Security Alerts, Bug Fix Alerts, and Enhancement
Alerts (collectively known as Errata Alerts) can be retreived directly
from Red Hat. You can even have updates automatically delivered
directly to your system as soon as they are released.
Because Red Hat Network keeps track of when Errata Updates are
released and sends you email notifications, it can:
Reduce the time and effort required by system administrators to stay
  on top of the Red Hat errata list
Minimize security vulnerabilities in your network by providing the
  patches as soon as Red Hat releases them
 
Filter out package updates not relevant to your network
 
Schedule Errata Updates so that packages are delivered to selected
  systems when you want it
To start using Red Hat Network today, follow these steps:
Create a System Profile by registering your system with Red Hat
  Network. Just run the command rhn_register on the system.
Log in to Red Hat Network and entitle the system 
  to all the Software Manager benefits.
Start scheduling updates.
If you need help with these steps, refer to the Red Hat Network User Reference Guide.
If you are a current Red Hat Network customer, please read
The New RHN to learn what has changed and what 
features have been added."


When you register and  entitle your system, a profile for that system is
created.
If you wish to install on another or even change systems and still access the
RHN you must first unentitle the original system and then register and entitle
the second system.
If you should wish to use the RHN on more then 1 system you must purchase
additional subscribtions at $19.95 per month per machine.  

Sure, you can get around this by listing all updates applied to one system
and then manually updating on any others that you might have.
But how many users would even think of this much less do it.

There is nothing wrong with RH doing this, linux distros if they are to stay
viable must find means of generating revenue beyond that aquired through the
sale of box sets of the OS.

Is this exactly the same practice that is being used by MS with WP?
No.
But the basic priciple behind the approch both are taking is the same, 1 copy
of the OS on one system.

You may well have a differing view, that is why we each are individuals and 
each has the 'right' to hold and express their own views.

But, as to me personally, I can equate no difference between MS's policies 
in regards to XP and those being currently employeed by RH. 


   Charles
 

  







 
 




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Re: [newbie] 2 Zip icons...?

2001-11-01 Thread Ronald J. Hall

Alan Shoemaker wrote:

> Ronaldyou'll find that icon stored as
> /usr/share/mdk/Zip2.desktop.  Kill that one as well as the
> one on your desktop and it'll disappear forever. :)
> --
> Alan

Thank you Alan!!! It was really starting to bug me. I had figured out how to
get rid of my dog-ugly XawTV icon (it was in /etc/dynamic), and I tried to
find a Zip icon there as well. I had even resorted to looking thru scripts,
thinking it was originating from there!

Thanks again! ;-)

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[newbie] compiling module problems

2001-11-01 Thread Robin Ballantine

 Hi everyone, I've been having a few problems trying to compile the modules 
that I want from the kernel-source-2.4.8-26mdk.i586.rpm supplied with 8.1. 
I'm using gcc2.96 and can get through compiling the kernel ok, but not any of 
the modules. The only way I could get all the features I wanted was by 
compiling a monolithic kernel which is not what I'm looking for. 
 These are the sorts of errors I was getting;
  
  field `loops_per_jiffy_R_ver_str' declared as a function
  nondigits in number and not hexadecimal (lots of these)
  parse error before `65dda927'
  missing white space after number `7e9'  etc,etc.

for each and every module (except I think agpgart). I think I have all the 
relevant source files in place and have tried using gcc3.0 and the egcs 
compiler without success on 'make modules'. I've tried umpteen times deleting 
the whole source and reinstalling from the rpm and still the same.  It's 
strange because I downloaded the 2.4.13 kernel source and tried it and 
managed to compile the kernel and modules without any bother, only to find 
that there was no ext3 support included.

 Anyone got any ideas or suggestions to help me compile the modules from
kernel-source-2.4.8-26mdk.i586.rpm for my Athlon and where I might be going 
wrong ?




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[newbie] Time For Me To Put Back In

2001-11-01 Thread Michael Falzon




Hi All
 I 
found a old script, That i updated to find 
key words ( that i need it to look for ) in my log files. 
( not sure  who ask for this some 
time ago)
 
Note the script 
was from http://dshield.org
 
My Updates
 
http://mozysswamp.yi.org/putback/ 
 
 
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Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBshttp://mozysswamp.yi.orgRegistered LFS 
User   #406Registered Linux User 
#204397


[newbie] Time For Me To Put Back In

2001-11-01 Thread Michael Falzon



Hi All
 I 
found a old script, That i updated to find 
key words ( that i need it to look for ) in my log files. 
( not sure  who ask for this some 
time ago)
 
Note the script 
was from http://dshield.org
 
My Updates
 
http://mozysswamp.yi.org/putback/ 
 
 
Michael FalzonLast Of The BBs SysopMozy's 
Swamp BBs & Red Dwarf BBshttp://mozysswamp.yi.orgRegistered LFS 
User   #406Registered Linux User 
#204397


RE: [newbie] Binary newsreader

2001-11-01 Thread Søren Neigaard

Yes I use that one too, great app., but can I get it to save all binariy
attachements?

On Tue, 2001-10-30 at 19:03, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
> If you have LM8.1 you already have a WONDERFUL newsreader called PAN.
> 
> For me it's the "Killer Linux App".
> 
> Agent, and others cannot handle the sheer amount of messages that PAN
> deals with, with aplomb.
> 
> E.G. I can download, sort and rethread 240,000 message headers in PAN in
> seconds.
> 
> Agent and others choke after 10,000.
> 
> -JMS
> 
> |-Original Message-
> |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Søren Neigaard
> |Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:52 PM
> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |Subject: [newbie] Binary newsreader
> |
> |
> |Do any of you know of a newsreader like NewsBin 
> |(http://www.newsbin.com) for Linux? One that can download the 
> |binaries for all subscribed groups.
> |
> |Best regards
> |Søren
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> 
> 
> 
> =_1004465052-1734-4230
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Re: [newbie] Rmove screensavers?

2001-11-01 Thread Søren Neigaard

On Mon, 2001-10-29 at 20:33, Michel Clasquin wrote:
> On Monday 29 October 2001 18:56, you wrote:
> > How do I remove some of the screensavers, an keep the rest? Do I need to
> > delete some files, and can I easily guess the filenames?
> 
> The xscreensaver modules  (used in Gnome and most other environments)  are 
> just regular executables  and should be in /usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver. 
> KDE has its own screensavers, which are all in /usr/bin (Lawd help us, 
> what *won't* they chuck in there?), but can be distinguished because they 
> have a .kss extension. Try these commands in a terminal:
> 
> locate xscreensaver
> locate .kss
> 
> and you should see what is happening on your system.
> 
> Deleting the ones you don't like is quite safe (you'll need to be logged 
> in as root), though moving them to a temporary directory is perhaps 
> smarter. But keep in mind that your next install or upgrade might put them 
> back and you'll have to re-delete them. Oh yes, and run your environment's 
> screensaver setup applet after you're done, just to tidy up the config 
> files. In KDE you'll find it in kcontrol, in Gnome run xscreensaver-demo.

I did all you sayd (I'm using Gnome), deleted the files and ran
xscreensaver-demo, but I still have all the screensavers in my
controlpanel (and in xscreensaver-demo). What to do then?




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[newbie] How to connect from linux computer to network

2001-11-01 Thread belcoop

Suddenly, my linux computer appears on the wondows network. However, in 
Konquerer he still says cannot connect to localhost. 

How do I see the network on my linux computer? 



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[newbie] password in network

2001-11-01 Thread belcoop

After reconfiguring many times the network, suddenly the computer appears on 
the screen oof the windows network. 

To access however, he asks for passwords. Where do I find/install them? 

Thanks, 

Geert



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