Re: [newbie] What would be the standard document format?
Randy Kramer wrote: > > Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > There's something else I just noticed, too: Richard Stallman's group > > must feel like we do, because "The GNU C Library Reference Manual" > > volumes 1 and 2 were done with the proper 2 space sentence separation. > > I've got them right here on the desk. > > > > Alright!! > > Randy Kramer (vowing not to post anymore to this thread ;-) > So having read the graffiti on both sides of the fence, i guess i'll just sit on it and say i'm 40'ish and we can all follow our own personal preferences. Mine is for ease of typing and simplicity as shown. LOL, fortune tossed in it's vote below! It's completely random, honest. Michael -- I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones. -- John Cage Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] apm mand. 8.1 misworks
OK, if all is well APMwise under W$, then don't touch the BIOS. Any Gnome users out there who can field this one? Brian On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 09:50, Paul Larkin wrote: > Thanks, Brian. Your reply goes with something I also > read recently somewhere. I don't like dinkin' w/BIOS, > since this is a dual HD (1 linux, 1 Win98) & the win > APM is set by the OS & works fine. But if I have > to... > > And I'm using Gnome, and there seems no evident power > control center in the Gnome or Mandrake Control > centers such as you have in KDE. > > --- Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul, > > > > You may like to check out your BIOS settings. I > > have found that the > > power saving "features" there are more likely to > > cause these sort of > > problems than the OS. > > > > You may also like to visit the KDE control center > > assuming you are using > > KDE. There's a power control section in there. Try > > turning it all off > > maybe? > > > > HTH > > Brian > > > > On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 23:04, Paul Larkin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, how can I get my mandrake 8.1 setup to restore > > > properly, after APM kicks in? > > > -What actually happens: if nothing is input to > > the PC > > > (let's say I leave the room for dinner for 20 min. > > or > > > so, so there's no mouse or keyboard input), there > > are > > > 3 beeps heard, the screen goes blank. When I come > > > back and hit a key or move the mouse -- nothing! > > The > > > screen does not restore to where it was, there's > > no > > > restore at all. I have to press "reset" button, > > and > > > fsck has to do its thing on reboot. > > > --How do I access APM (if that's the issue)? > > > There's files for apm, apmd, and hddparm that I've > > > briefly looked over the man pages for. Are any of > > > these relevant, providing the info to make the > > fix? > > > Thank you. > > > > > > = > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and > > more > > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from > > MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from > MandrakeSoft? > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot with XP
Norman, You don't need to edit boot.ini LILO will boot XP for you. Did you install XP first or second? If Linux went in last, your boot loader install should have given you a lilo entry for both XP and Linux. If this isn't the case (sounds like it), then you can either add whatever lilo entries are not there manually and then run lilo as root, or you can boot off the install cd again, select expert and upgrade, and let the installer fix it for you. Here is my /etc/lilo.conf in case you want to do it the first way: boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b vga=normal default=linux keytable=/boot/us.klt lba32 prompt timeout=50 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux root=/dev/hda6 append=" hdc=ide-scsi devfs=nomount quiet" vga=788 read-only other=/dev/hda1 label=windoze table=/dev/hda This is for 8.1, so devfs is switched off. You will probably want to leave it on with 8.2 All you need is two entries like those above pointing as the right partitions and you will be in business. HTH Brian On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 17:48, Norman Zhang wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to dual boot Linux Mandrake 8.2 with XP. XP runs on the primary > disk, and LM 8.2 runs on the secondary disk. They are both on the IDE slot > 1. I put LILO on hdb. Would someone please tell me how I can edit boot.ini > to make it boot for both OS? > > Regards, > Norman > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sony 24x CDRW #CRX175A1 & 8.1 ?
On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 16:51, db wrote: > > Does anyone know if the Sony 24x CDRW #CRX175A1 cdburner will work for sure > with Mandrake 8.1? > Worked for me on 8.1, and set itself up easily in 8.2. I burn data CDs at 24x, but have difficulty copying music CDs. Mayhaps its payback for pirating music:-) -- Jim - james Mellema, CRNA -- APATHY ERROR: Don't bother striking any key. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting with Multiple Linux Distro's
ai4a wrote: > > Hi Barry, > > I do almost the same thing except my second linux is on hda8 (the / > > partition which also has all other partitions except /var & /home). My > > lilo entry for my second linux looks like this: > > > > other=/dev/hda8 > > label=Debian > > > > Both linuxs boot fine. > > HTH > > Charles > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > PS: I should have added that my first linux lilo.conf is installed in > mbr (/dev/hda) and the second linux lilo.conf is installed in /dev/hda8 > Charles I think it might have had a chance of working if I had been on a single large hard drive. With the additional problem of navigating to a second drive on boot, it was just too much. It simply didn't have enough kernel/initrd info to handle it. Adding the mount points for the second drive to 8.1's fstab gave me an easy way to copy the kernel/initrd files to the first drive. Adding the correct kernel and initrd to lilo.conf took care of the rest. Barry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting with Multiple Linux Distro's
I just wanted to thank you John and civilme for your help in setting up dual boot. It's up and running in both 8.1 and 8.2. Your help was greatly appreciated. Barry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] (in desperation, I repost) 52MB limit
Hello List, I have an Mitsubishi Amity CN notebook, Pentium 133MHz 48MB RAM (which is it's maximum capacity), with a 1.5GB hard drive with which I'd like to dual boot Win98 and Linux-Mandrake 8.2. I can connect to the Internet and LAN via a Netgear FA411 PCMCIA NIC under Win9x. I have set aside 128MB for swap space and 550MB for / (I am not interested in trying to run X on this little thing). I'd like to do a network install. I can mount the CD in another box and make a network connection to it but I get an error message stating that 52MB RAM is needed. The drakx README might be saying I could use a "ramdisk" but I don't know what that is or how to set one up. I've included some of the README below. Maybe you can help me. Thanks, Jon * PCMCIA install *** If the media you use to install is a pcmcia device, use the pcmcia boot disk. * Ramdisk or not *** The DrakX install is much bigger than the newt one. So the ramdisk which was used is getting big, and costs a lot in memory (eg: the mdkinst_stage2 is 14MB - 23/09/99) (update! now size is 21MB - 24/01/01) | | newt| DrakX |---+-+- - | nfs | live| live | ftp | ramdisk | ramdisk | http | ramdisk | ramdisk | hd| ramdisk | live if Mandrake/mdkinst/usr/bin/runinstall2 is a link, | | | ramdisk otherwise | cdrom | ramdisk | live if memory < 52MB, ramdisk otherwise Where ramdisk is needed, if detected memory is below the limit allowed for ramdisk (maintained in file gi/mdk-stage1/config-stage1.h; currently 52 Mb), a failure dialog will be printed explaining that there is not enough memory to perform the installation. When i say live, it means that the stage1 will *mount* the Mandrake/mdkinst and use it that way. The ramdisk is used in place of the live in some cases. This ramdisk is filled with mdkinst_stage2.gz For cdrom install, the ramdisk is used to speed up things (access time is quite high on cdrom drives) For pcmcia, it depends on the type of install. * Thanks, Jon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 4/17/2002 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] moving /var partition
My /var partition is getting full (http server and discussion board). I have new 30GB hard drive to add and want to move the /var partition to the new drive. What would be the best way to do this. I want the /var partition to be the only partition on the new drive. Mandrake 8.2. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MP3 Download
I use Limewire, it works ok. Rodrigo Brian York wrote: > Is their a good progam that can be used to download music in linux? > > Thanks > Brian > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] dual boot with XP
Hi, I am trying to dual boot Linux Mandrake 8.2 with XP. XP runs on the primary disk, and LM 8.2 runs on the secondary disk. They are both on the IDE slot 1. I put LILO on hdb. Would someone please tell me how I can edit boot.ini to make it boot for both OS? Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2 DVD
On Sunday 21 April 2002 21:09, you wrote: > I have seen in the past a Mandrake set priced a notch higher (around > $130, as I recall) that does include a DVD. I forget the exact name, > but I know the word "server" is in the name. Someone possibly noticed this already, but "server" is not in the name after all. The description says "solid server, friendly desktop." It was the ProSuite I was thinking of: "The 8.2 ProSuite Edition features 8 CDs (including 2 special server CDs), 1 DVD, and 2 comprehensive manuals. Also included is a subscription for 2 Update CDs to be received during product life which contain security and bug fixes ... Price (TAX included) is $149 USD + $15 USD for shipping." *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.3 Professional KDE 2.2.1 KMail 1.3.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] What would be the standard document format?
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > There's something else I just noticed, too: Richard Stallman's group > must feel like we do, because "The GNU C Library Reference Manual" > volumes 1 and 2 were done with the proper 2 space sentence separation. > I've got them right here on the desk. > Alright!! Randy Kramer (vowing not to post anymore to this thread ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Restricting resource usage
On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 03:29:27PM -0400, Brian York wrote: > Is their a way to restrict the amount of network and other resource > usage that a user on a remote computer can use? > > Reason: I am on a lan at my college and i share 30 GB of music and 10 GB > fo software. During a typical day i can be sending 500KB/s of data. I > would rather this be around 200KB/s because it kills my connection and > can slow down my hard drive (only one HD would be fine if i had another > one). for my shares i use a guest account "pcguest" so reduing resorce > usage is only going to affect people connected to me to download music. Try to consider linux QOS (Quality of Service) http://qos.ittc.ukans.edu/howto/ http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Bandwidth-Limiting-HOWTO/cbq.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2 DVD
On Sunday 21 April 2002 14:14, Damian wrote: > ( i actually didn't know they ever had a DVD version. i only knew > about SuSe doing this, but since their distro is 7 CD's... ) The Mandrake set that sells at about the same price point as SuSE Professional is the Mandrake Power Pack. It does not have a DVD. I agree with the previous poster, it is really nice installing from DVD. Just let it go until finished - no disc changes. I have seen in the past a Mandrake set priced a notch higher (around $130, as I recall) that does include a DVD. I forget the exact name, but I know the word "server" is in the name. *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.3 Professional KDE 2.2.1 KMail 1.3.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] What would be the standard document format?
- Original Message - From: "Carroll Grigsby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] What would be the standard document format? > On Sunday 21 April 2002 07:19 pm, Lee wrote: > > On Sunday 21 April 2002 06:28 pm, you wrote: > > > On Sat, 2002-04-20 at 09:27, Randy Kramer wrote: > > > > Michael wrote: > > > > > I thought double spacing was outdated anyway in modern business > > > > > communications. Still personal preferences are what life thrives on. > > > > > > > > Hmm, I'm on the old side, but I never saw any reference to double > > > > spacing being outdated except in Internet / HTML / computer related > > > > discussions -- it makes me suspect that somebody decided putting two > > > > spaces after the punctuation ending a sentence would be too difficult > > > > for a computer to deal with (or didn't even know it was the established > > > > practise) and simply ignored it. (KISS?) > > > > > > I agree with your suspicions Randy; with the qualification that perhaps > > > it had a little more to do with people than computers. > > > > > > > That suspicion sort of destroys my faith in computers / programmers. > > > > (Well, it might have been destroyed before then ;-) > > > > > > > > (sorry, not intended to sound like a rant) > > > > > > > > (Two spaces are still used in all the business correspondence I send > > > > and receive.) > > > > > > I've also been using two space sentence endings in all my emails, > > > correspondence, business letters, reports, etc etc for years because it > > > is the correct method, and I've never had a problem with "rivers of > > > white". I note that most other recent books that I have here on the > > > shelves also have the correct sentence end spacing also; including > > > Kernigan and Ritchie's "The C Programming Language." > > > > > > This two space controversy sounds much like what I've heard this before; > > > newer is good, old is bad. Only the new concepts should exist, and are > > > not compatible with the stuff that evolved from the past; GUI's are more > > > advanced than CLI's; music of this generation is better than the last > > > generation's crap, blah blah blah ad infinitim. For me, some sentence > > > separation is easier to read as opposed to run-on sentences. > > > > > > > Randy Kramer > > > > > > LX > > > > Something else to consider. When a letter crosses my desk, my first urge > > before reading is to throw it away. Traditional appearance could well make > > the difference. Us old timers are comfortable with 2 spaces. > > > > Then there are days when everything goes in the round file. After all, if > > it's really important, they'll try again. > > > > Lee > > Lee: > Guess I'm not the only cranky old bastard on the list :^). > > Reading through these posts, I had a flashback to a print shop class in > junior high where we learned the basics of setting type by hand. I have a > vague recollection that en spaces where used between words and em spaces > between sentences. Then, at the end of the line, thinner spaces were inserted > at various points in the line in order to justify the type. This was for not > just esthetics, but for a very practical reason, as well: If the type was not > properly justified it would fall out of the stick or, worse yet, fall apart > in the press. > > For those who have no idea what an em and en are, an em is a space whose > width is equivalent to the height of the type, and an en is half the width of > an em. > > -- cmg I had the same class in Junior High (middle school was a grassy area called the "quad"). We made "business cards", it was messy fun. JRD/ms > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/2002 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] What would be the standard document format?
On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 19:19, Lee wrote: > Something else to consider. When a letter crosses my desk, my first urge > before reading is to throw it away. Traditional appearance could well make > the difference. Us old timers are comfortable with 2 spaces. > > Then there are days when everything goes in the round file. After all, if > it's really important, they'll try again. > > Lee There's something else I just noticed, too: Richard Stallman's group must feel like we do, because "The GNU C Library Reference Manual" volumes 1 and 2 were done with the proper 2 space sentence separation. I've got them right here on the desk. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Sony 24x CDRW #CRX175A1 & 8.1 ?
Does anyone know if the Sony 24x CDRW #CRX175A1 cdburner will work for sure with Mandrake 8.1? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] What would be the standard document format?
On Sunday 21 April 2002 07:19 pm, Lee wrote: > On Sunday 21 April 2002 06:28 pm, you wrote: > > On Sat, 2002-04-20 at 09:27, Randy Kramer wrote: > > > Michael wrote: > > > > I thought double spacing was outdated anyway in modern business > > > > communications. Still personal preferences are what life thrives on. > > > > > > Hmm, I'm on the old side, but I never saw any reference to double > > > spacing being outdated except in Internet / HTML / computer related > > > discussions -- it makes me suspect that somebody decided putting two > > > spaces after the punctuation ending a sentence would be too difficult > > > for a computer to deal with (or didn't even know it was the established > > > practise) and simply ignored it. (KISS?) > > > > I agree with your suspicions Randy; with the qualification that perhaps > > it had a little more to do with people than computers. > > > > > That suspicion sort of destroys my faith in computers / programmers. > > > (Well, it might have been destroyed before then ;-) > > > > > > (sorry, not intended to sound like a rant) > > > > > > (Two spaces are still used in all the business correspondence I send > > > and receive.) > > > > I've also been using two space sentence endings in all my emails, > > correspondence, business letters, reports, etc etc for years because it > > is the correct method, and I've never had a problem with "rivers of > > white". I note that most other recent books that I have here on the > > shelves also have the correct sentence end spacing also; including > > Kernigan and Ritchie's "The C Programming Language." > > > > This two space controversy sounds much like what I've heard this before; > > newer is good, old is bad. Only the new concepts should exist, and are > > not compatible with the stuff that evolved from the past; GUI's are more > > advanced than CLI's; music of this generation is better than the last > > generation's crap, blah blah blah ad infinitim. For me, some sentence > > separation is easier to read as opposed to run-on sentences. > > > > > Randy Kramer > > > > LX > > Something else to consider. When a letter crosses my desk, my first urge > before reading is to throw it away. Traditional appearance could well make > the difference. Us old timers are comfortable with 2 spaces. > > Then there are days when everything goes in the round file. After all, if > it's really important, they'll try again. > > Lee Lee: Guess I'm not the only cranky old bastard on the list :^). Reading through these posts, I had a flashback to a print shop class in junior high where we learned the basics of setting type by hand. I have a vague recollection that en spaces where used between words and em spaces between sentences. Then, at the end of the line, thinner spaces were inserted at various points in the line in order to justify the type. This was for not just esthetics, but for a very practical reason, as well: If the type was not properly justified it would fall out of the stick or, worse yet, fall apart in the press. For those who have no idea what an em and en are, an em is a space whose width is equivalent to the height of the type, and an en is half the width of an em. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Which new IDE cd-burners supported by 8.1 ?
Where do I find a compatability list for new acceptable IDE CDRWs? I need to buy one. And where can I find out more about the particulars of setting one up: "ide bu" and editing the /etc/lilo.conf etc.? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] apm mand. 8.1 misworks
Thanks, Brian. Your reply goes with something I also read recently somewhere. I don't like dinkin' w/BIOS, since this is a dual HD (1 linux, 1 Win98) & the win APM is set by the OS & works fine. But if I have to... And I'm using Gnome, and there seems no evident power control center in the Gnome or Mandrake Control centers such as you have in KDE. --- Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul, > > You may like to check out your BIOS settings. I > have found that the > power saving "features" there are more likely to > cause these sort of > problems than the OS. > > You may also like to visit the KDE control center > assuming you are using > KDE. There's a power control section in there. Try > turning it all off > maybe? > > HTH > Brian > > On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 23:04, Paul Larkin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, how can I get my mandrake 8.1 setup to restore > > properly, after APM kicks in? > > -What actually happens: if nothing is input to > the PC > > (let's say I leave the room for dinner for 20 min. > or > > so, so there's no mouse or keyboard input), there > are > > 3 beeps heard, the screen goes blank. When I come > > back and hit a key or move the mouse -- nothing! > The > > screen does not restore to where it was, there's > no > > restore at all. I have to press "reset" button, > and > > fsck has to do its thing on reboot. > > --How do I access APM (if that's the issue)? > > There's files for apm, apmd, and hddparm that I've > > briefly looked over the man pages for. Are any of > > these relevant, providing the info to make the > fix? > > Thank you. > > > > = > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and > more > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from > MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updates
Matt, I assume you are dual booting, so the easiest way is to download to a fat32 partition the RPM's. Now boot linux, and find /mnt/windows or whatever the fat32 partition is mounted as. From there (as root) you can: rpm -Uvh rpm-file-name for updates. Don't do that for a new kernel though! For that it's: rpm -ivh kernelx HTH Brian On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 09:26, Matt Blake wrote: > I want to download the updates for 8.2, but due to a winmodem need to do > it through windows. Is it better to download the RPM's or SRPM's? How > do i then install the updates? > > Cheers > Matt > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2 DVD
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:38:32 -0400 ed Tharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 21 April 2002 02:14 pm, you wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 08:23:47 -0400 > > > > ed Tharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > the DVD has MUCH more stuff than the "download" CDs and most of the rest > > > is not GPL but is commercial software, the dvd-deal you had was a > > > "prepurchase" and there were some "prepurchase" deals for 8.2 also. I > > > guess knowing about the "pre-release" deals is one of the advantages of > > > being on this mail list. > > > > well, yah i supposed it would have more stuff than the download version, > > but does it have even more stuff than the usual boxed set? > > ( i actually didn't know they ever had a DVD version. i only knew about > > SuSe doing this, but since their distro is 7 CD's... ) > > > > Damian > > well the power pack is 7 or so CDs, and the "prosuite" is the DVD version, > didn't know this. sorry for mi ignorant post... Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Updates
I want to download the updates for 8.2, but due to a winmodem need to do it through windows. Is it better to download the RPM's or SRPM's? How do i then install the updates? Cheers Matt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] What would be the standard document format?
On Sunday 21 April 2002 06:28 pm, you wrote: > On Sat, 2002-04-20 at 09:27, Randy Kramer wrote: > > Michael wrote: > > > I thought double spacing was outdated anyway in modern business > > > communications. Still personal preferences are what life thrives on. > > > > Hmm, I'm on the old side, but I never saw any reference to double > > spacing being outdated except in Internet / HTML / computer related > > discussions -- it makes me suspect that somebody decided putting two > > spaces after the punctuation ending a sentence would be too difficult > > for a computer to deal with (or didn't even know it was the established > > practise) and simply ignored it. (KISS?) > > I agree with your suspicions Randy; with the qualification that perhaps > it had a little more to do with people than computers. > > > That suspicion sort of destroys my faith in computers / programmers. > > (Well, it might have been destroyed before then ;-) > > > > (sorry, not intended to sound like a rant) > > > > (Two spaces are still used in all the business correspondence I send and > > receive.) > > I've also been using two space sentence endings in all my emails, > correspondence, business letters, reports, etc etc for years because it > is the correct method, and I've never had a problem with "rivers of > white". I note that most other recent books that I have here on the > shelves also have the correct sentence end spacing also; including > Kernigan and Ritchie's "The C Programming Language." > > This two space controversy sounds much like what I've heard this before; > newer is good, old is bad. Only the new concepts should exist, and are > not compatible with the stuff that evolved from the past; GUI's are more > advanced than CLI's; music of this generation is better than the last > generation's crap, blah blah blah ad infinitim. For me, some sentence > separation is easier to read as opposed to run-on sentences. > > > Randy Kramer > > LX Something else to consider. When a letter crosses my desk, my first urge before reading is to throw it away. Traditional appearance could well make the difference. Us old timers are comfortable with 2 spaces. Then there are days when everything goes in the round file. After all, if it's really important, they'll try again. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ogg Vorbis conversions
On 21 Apr 2002 11:58:49 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2002-04-20 at 23:54, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:19:50 -0400, Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Greetings > > > > > > I have several thousand mp3's I would like to convert to OGG. Anyone have > > > a suggestion? > > > > Install the mp32ogg package, then you can run mp32ogg. > > But as you yourself pointed out Srid, the only advantage to this > conversion will be a space savings; since ogg files compress the > information 50% better than the mp3 format. Yes, that's right. Moreover, you're converting between two lossy formats. The Ogg conversion is guaranteed to be of slightly lesser quality than the MP3 original (although I doubt you'd notice it). The space savings can be amazing, though. It is not uncommon for people to have several gigabytes of MP3s nowadays; converting it all to Ogg will enable one to store twice as much audio in the same space. > BTW, I've been testing wav-ogg compression. I had a 1.33 gig wav that I > changed over to ogg format; it compressed down to 90 megs! > > That was at 128 kb encoding. The numbers worked out to be around 12.3 > to 1 compression. I'm astounded at this performance. Ogg Vorbis is great, particularly when encoding from a non-lossy source (e.g. an uncompressed WAV file or a CD). As has been mentioned above, the benefits of converting from MP3 are less, but I beleive it is still worth it. Since most audio on the Internet right now is in MP3 format, the best thing to do is to try to get files encoded at a sample rate higher than the standard 128Kb/s (I aim for 160Kb/s or preferably 192Kb/s myself). Then you have a 'buffer' of quality that can be lost without compromising the audio too much when converting to Ogg (a lossy process). > Sox is the absolute bomb, btw. I've got it recording directly off the > soundcard now, straight into ogg format. I had to install the Ogg > Vorbis libs and recompile the Sox src.rpm to get that working but I'll > tell youit was well worth it. I've been planning to post the > solution to the recording thing I've been dealing with for the past > week; guess I need to get that together. Thanks for the tip. I must look into that. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan "We're still waiting for the Vatican to officially canonize this kernel, but trust me, that's only a matter of time. It's a little known fact, but the Pope likes penguins too." -- Linus Torvalds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2 DVD
On Sunday 21 April 2002 02:14 pm, you wrote: > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 08:23:47 -0400 > > ed Tharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the DVD has MUCH more stuff than the "download" CDs and most of the rest > > is not GPL but is commercial software, the dvd-deal you had was a > > "prepurchase" and there were some "prepurchase" deals for 8.2 also. I > > guess knowing about the "pre-release" deals is one of the advantages of > > being on this mail list. > > well, yah i supposed it would have more stuff than the download version, > but does it have even more stuff than the usual boxed set? > ( i actually didn't know they ever had a DVD version. i only knew about > SuSe doing this, but since their distro is 7 CD's... ) > > Damian well the power pack is 7 or so CDs, and the "prosuite" is the DVD version, Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] KDE 3
Just curious..How do I go about doing that in RedHat 7.2 On Sunday 21 April 2002 04:50 pm, you wrote: > On Sunday 21 Apr 2002 8:23 pm, Jesse Angell wrote: > > Is KDE3 included in mandrake 8.2.. If not, how hard is it to upgrade > > it.. > > It's not. But it turns out to be straightforward to upgrade thanks to a > little bit of magic from Mandrake (the urpmi command): > > i. Go to a download location for the Mandrake packages via: > > http://download.kde.org/stable/3.0/Mandrake/ > > then the 8.2/RPMS/i586 directory on the server you're automatically > directed to. > > ii. Download _every_ package there - I think there are currently > thirty-four of them - to a directory. Don't pick and choose the > packages; the next step may not work if you do so. > > iii. Go to a shell, log in as root (su then ) then do: > > cd > urpmi.addmedia kde3 file:// [1] > urpmi * > > And, after about 10 minutes, KDE3 will be installed. Log out of KDE2 > (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace) and log back in again, picking 'KDE3' from the > drop-down list of window managers on the login screen. That's all. > > Alastair > > [1] for example, I put the files in /home/alastair/kde3 so the commands > would be > > cd /home/alastair/kde3 > urpmi.addmedia kde3 file:///home/alastair/kde3 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE 3
On Sunday 21 Apr 2002 8:23 pm, Jesse Angell wrote: > Is KDE3 included in mandrake 8.2.. If not, how hard is it to upgrade > it.. It's not. But it turns out to be straightforward to upgrade thanks to a little bit of magic from Mandrake (the urpmi command): i. Go to a download location for the Mandrake packages via: http://download.kde.org/stable/3.0/Mandrake/ then the 8.2/RPMS/i586 directory on the server you're automatically directed to. ii. Download _every_ package there - I think there are currently thirty-four of them - to a directory. Don't pick and choose the packages; the next step may not work if you do so. iii. Go to a shell, log in as root (su then ) then do: cd urpmi.addmedia kde3 file:// [1] urpmi * And, after about 10 minutes, KDE3 will be installed. Log out of KDE2 (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace) and log back in again, picking 'KDE3' from the drop-down list of window managers on the login screen. That's all. Alastair [1] for example, I put the files in /home/alastair/kde3 so the commands would be cd /home/alastair/kde3 urpmi.addmedia kde3 file:///home/alastair/kde3 -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KDE 3
Is KDE3 included in mandrake 8.2.. If not, how hard is it to upgrade it.. Thanks, Jesse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Restricting resource usage
Is their a way to restrict the amount of network and other resource usage that a user on a remote computer can use? Reason: I am on a lan at my college and i share 30 GB of music and 10 GB fo software. During a typical day i can be sending 500KB/s of data. I would rather this be around 200KB/s because it kills my connection and can slow down my hard drive (only one HD would be fine if i had another one). for my shares i use a guest account "pcguest" so reduing resorce usage is only going to affect people connected to me to download music. Thanks Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTS / Audio Codec97 / and VT8233 Audio Chip configuration
It seems you succesfully loaded the ALSA driver modules for your sound(card), including the OSS emulation modules snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss :) Can you use K -> multimedia -> sound -> Sound Mixer? Can you hear an audio CD with the KDE CD player afterwards? What happens when you try XMMS? On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:16:12 +0100 John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 19 April 2002 18:53, you wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:38:10 +0100 > > > > John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thursday 18 April 2002 20:47, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > I have a MSI K7T266 Pro2 Mobo which has via 8233 AC97 soundchip built > > > into the board. > > > Upon install LM8.2 seems to configure an OSS driver which works,but only > > > with one item, namely the CD player. Nothing else seems connected to the > > > system. There is no Mandrake sound for the OS, no Xcdroast , no midi > > > player, you name it it doesn't work. It does not seem to be anything to > > > do with unmuting. > > > So what am I to do, several suggestions later someone said configure the > > > alsa sound driver, instead of the OSS driver,which I think I have > > > achieved. Certainly kernel configure and KDE sound believe it is running. > > > It makes no difference whether ARTS is enabled or disabled. > > > There does not seem to be any sndconfig command line facility. > > > The website mentioned previously says add > > > alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-via8233 > > > post-install snd-slot-0 snd-pcm-oss to modules.conf, > > > but although this does help to bring alsa to live as a driver > > > It appears in the boot script now, > > > Nothing including the CD player works. > > > I don't actually have any sound at all. > > > However I think it should work, something is amiss, > > > but I am fast running out of ideas. > > > Installing the latest alsa driver was just one idea. > > > Reconfigure the modules.conf file to include lines about > > > amixer set Master 22 unmute > > > amixer set Master Mono 22 unmute > > > amixer set Input Gain 22 unmute > > > amixer set Aux 22 unmute > > > amixer set Line 22 unmute > > > amixer set PCM 22 unmute was another, > > > but when I do this I get lots of "failed" script at boot time, > > > with comments about line this and that being unrecognised. > > > The only clue I can find is in configure KDE-info-sound, > > > two lines, synth dev:not enabled in config > > >midi dev : not enabled in config > > > possibly modules.conf needs additional lines to achieve this ? > > > I suspect the alsa sound driver is there and running but no sound > > > device is connecting with it. > > > Is it anything to do with AC97 ? > > > I don't know ? > > > > > > regards, > > > John > > > > Uhm, what modules are loaded (check with '/sbin/lsmod')? And what's in > > /etc/modules.conf? Can you use K -> multimedia -> sound -> Sound Mixer? > > Good luck getting this to work! > > > > -Frans > > Thanks Frans, > > At the risk of being over informative I list everything I can think of,except > file permissions.:- > THIS IS WITH OSS DRIVER CONFIGURED AS PER MANDRAKE INSTALL > > This gives a Working CD player, nothing else > > [root@localhost root]# /sbin/lsmod > Module Size Used byNot tainted > via82cxxx_audio18144 1 > uart401 6336 0 [via82cxxx_audio] > ac97_codec 9568 0 [via82cxxx_audio] > sound 57292 0 [via82cxxx_audio uart401] > soundcore 4068 4 [via82cxxx_audio sound] > parport_pc 22088 1 (autoclean) > lp 6464 1 (autoclean) > parport23968 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] > af_packet 12488 0 (autoclean) > ip_vs 65400 0 (autoclean) > ipchains 35816 0 > printer 5824 0 > usb-uhci 21668 0 (unused) > usb-ohci 19072 0 (unused) > usbcore59072 1 [printer usb-uhci usb-ohci] > supermount 62180 4 (autoclean) > nls_iso8859-1 2816 4 (autoclean) > ntfs 51744 4 (autoclean) > ide-scsi8032 0 > scsi_mod 92488 1 [ide-scsi] > rtc 5912 0 (autoclean) > [root@localhost root]# > .. > /etc/modules.conf > > alias net-pf-4 ipx > alias usb-interface usb-ohci > probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi > alias sound-slot-0 via82cxxx_audio > alias usb-interface1 usb-uhci > alias usb-interface2 usb-uhci > alias usb-interface3 usb-uhci > > [root@localhost root]# lsmod > Module Size Used byNot tainted > nls_iso8859-15 3360 1 (autoclean) > nls_cp850 3584 1 (autoclean) > vfat9788 1 (autoclean) > fat3
Re: [newbie] Ogg Vorbis conversions
> BTW, I've been testing wav-ogg compression. I had a 1.33 gig wav that I > changed over to ogg format; it compressed down to 90 megs! That's quite impressive! I doubt mp3 would be neawrly that efficient. I did some mp3 to ogg conversions on some 22050 khz (old time radio type files) on one 12 meg file, ogg turned it into a 7 meg file. That's for about an hour's worth of audio (lo fi of course). Out of curiosity, about how long did oggenc take to do that conversion? And did you have to replace the sore CPU afterwards? :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2 DVD
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 08:23:47 -0400 ed Tharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the DVD has MUCH more stuff than the "download" CDs and most of the rest is > not GPL but is commercial software, the dvd-deal you had was a "prepurchase" > and there were some "prepurchase" deals for 8.2 also. I guess knowing about > the "pre-release" deals is one of the advantages of being on this mail list. > well, yah i supposed it would have more stuff than the download version, but does it have even more stuff than the usual boxed set? ( i actually didn't know they ever had a DVD version. i only knew about SuSe doing this, but since their distro is 7 CD's... ) Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] strange printing problem with LM8.2
Hi all, I'm having a strange problem printing to my Epson Stylus 660 connected to local parallel port. This use to work w/o problem when I was using LM8.0. The problem is that on top of every page, two lines are *always* printed: 284.4 @EJL then it runs out of room at the bottom of the page and prints the last half inch to the next sheet. I've tried changing the drivers (there are 5~6 listed for this printer), all gave the same thing. Can anyone please help? This is really getting to my nerves TIA! Andy = Andy Liaw Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] bios setting
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Bill Spatz wrote: > > > -- Forwarded Message -- > > Subject: Re: [newbie] bios setting > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:31:45 -0600 > From: Bill Spatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ron Grace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Sunday 21 April 2002 09:21 am, you wrote: > > on page 5 of the mandrake guide it tells me to set my bios for the pnp, > > it tell me to hold down the delete key at power up to change the setting. i > > am running a compaq 7470 windows 98se. when i do this nothing different > > happens windows still loads,i have tried both ways reboot,power off and > > then power it back up.help ty Ron > > On Compaq's, (most of the time), watch for a blinking block cursor on the > upper right hand corner and then press the F10 key. Yes, and press it repeatedly! Just once probably will not do it. BTW, in my Compaqs bios, there is no pnp setting to turn off...a Presario 5834, IIRC, that had about the most rudimentary bios you'll ever see. -- peace, Rog registered linux user #190719 ICQ #56469198 http://www.toddstheory.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] apm mand. 8.1 misworks
Hi, how can I get my mandrake 8.1 setup to restore properly, after APM kicks in? -What actually happens: if nothing is input to the PC (let's say I leave the room for dinner for 20 min. or so, so there's no mouse or keyboard input), there are 3 beeps heard, the screen goes blank. When I come back and hit a key or move the mouse -- nothing! The screen does not restore to where it was, there's no restore at all. I have to press "reset" button, and fsck has to do its thing on reboot. --How do I access APM (if that's the issue)? There's files for apm, apmd, and hddparm that I've briefly looked over the man pages for. Are any of these relevant, providing the info to make the fix? Thank you. = __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] ProFTPd problem
Hi all, I am running ProFTPd, at least I hope I do. When I start the service, it says "ok" When I want to log into the server, I see: [paul@tbird paul]$ ftp tbird Connected to tbird.merlijn. Compiled-in modules: ftp> user paul Not connected. ftp> bye I followed the thread on proftpd which happened about a month ago, stating that the setup should not be "Server= standalone" but "Server=inetd". I tried that setup too, but that gave me only the info that there was no socket available (or something to that extent). Can anyone help me get FTP back up? I like it to fling files back and forth through scripts. My /etc/proftpd.conf ServerName "ProFTPD on TBIRD" ServerType standalone #ServerType inetd DefaultServer on AllowStoreRestart on # Port 21 is the standard FTP port. Port21 # Umask 022 is a good standard umask to prevent new dirs and files # from being group and world writable. Umask 022 MaxInstances30 # Set the user and group that the server normally runs at. Usernobody Group nogroup # Normally, we want files to be overwriteable. AllowOverwriteon # Needed for NIS. PersistentPasswdoff This is the plain vanilla config as set up by Mandrake 8.2. I wonder what I have to change to get this back up an and running as with 8.0. There it worked right out of the box. Strange... Paul -- Men of genius are often dull and inert in society, as a blazing meteor when it descends to earth, is only a stone. -Henry Wadsworth http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.2 - Sylpheed 0.7.4 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Switching Desktops
> > And would www.civileme.com/mgm.jpg be a picture of > you? > > Ron gee, if it is, does he have the face for radio or what just joking, and since I ain't volunteering my picture... we can all just guess that the uglier one is... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2 DVD
the DVD has MUCH more stuff than the "download" CDs and most of the rest is not GPL but is commercial software, the dvd-deal you had was a "prepurchase" and there were some "prepurchase" deals for 8.2 also. I guess knowing about the "pre-release" deals is one of the advantages of being on this mail list. On Saturday 20 April 2002 07:20 pm, you wrote: > On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:29:12 -0400 > > Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Am I reading the website right? The Mandrake DVD is only available with > > the 8 CD/ DVD Prosuite set for $150? > > > > There used to be a 8.1 DVD set for $50, which I would get for home use, > > but $150 is a little steep. Anybody else > > know where I can get a DVD of Mandrake? I like it for the convenience > > of installing. > > > > Mark > > uhm.. why would you want to have Mandrake on a DVD when it only takes 3 > CD's ? i guess they left the DVD option for the bigger versions, that's > all.. > > Damian -- In the June 15, 2000 issue of the magazine "Internet World" Alex Lightman points out that; "Moores Law, which holds that computer chips double in processing power every 18 months" and also notes that Ray Kurzweil claims in Age of Spiritual Machines that its closer to every 12 months. Things get scary for some singularity forecasters around 2020, when computing power equivalent to the human brain is expected to cost about $1,000. and even more frightening with all the brain power in the U.S. available for $1,000 by 2040. "The idea of the singularity as ground zero for human extinction will pose a chal lenge in the very near future" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Running gcc
Hey folks, I'm trying to install a theme and when I run ./configure I get the following message: # ./configure (lots of text...) configure: error: installation or configuration problem: c++ compiler cannot create executables Although I understand what it means I don't know the first thing about C++ compilers. I did have trouble with installing gcc from the Mandrake cdrom. Yesterday I used Red Carpet to install gcc and it downloaded and installed without errors or warnings. Does anybody know how I can discover why gcc seems to be so hard to install and how I can get it running? I'm running 8.1 and according to soft mgr I have gcc version 2.96-0.63.1mdk installed. Cheers, Marco Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] installing Star Office
On Sunday 21 April 2002 10:42, Miark wrote: > > That's right. Sorry, I made a mistake when giving the version number. The > > package in Contribs is the latest build, 641d. It is the last planned > > release before OpenOffice.org 1.0. > > Why didn't Sun wait for OO1 before releasing SO6? That doesn't make much > sense. Probably because it had been such a long time since 5.2, which had known issues, and 641 is perfectly good and stable. Calling the next release 1.0 does not mean previous versions are alpha, it's just that OpenOffice decided to switch to a more standard version numbering system. Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Way OT: What would be the standard document format?
On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:18:01 -0400 Todd Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Regarding the one space or two spaces after sentence-ending punctuation, > it has more to do with monospaced vs. proportional fonts. With monospaced > fonts, the only type available on typewriters, it is (if you can find a > typewriter)/was necessary to add two spaces; on proportional fonts, as > seen on puters, it is only necessary to use one space. My college study included the work of perhaps the single authority on typography, Robert Bringhurst. In his 350-page (!) book, _The Elements of Typographic Style_, he says: "In the nineteenth century, which was a dark and inflationary age in typography and type design, many compositors were encouraged to stuff extra space between sentences. Generations of twentieth-century typists were then taught to do the same, by hitting the space-bar twice after every period. Your typing as well as your typesetting will benefit from unlearning this quaint Victorian habit." Of course, when you charge by the page, inventing a convention like this seems like a great idea :-) At any rate, the two-space style was based not on readability, but on tradition that existed long before typewriters, and a bad tradition at that. So when these references below talk about fixed vs. proportional fonts, and typewriters vs. computers, it clearly shows that they have no idea what they're talking about. History is clear on this. So believe them when they say to use one space on a computer using a proportional font, but ignore them when they advocate using two spaces under other circumstances. Miark > Want links? This discussion came up on another list I'm on. Here are a few > I culled from the archives. > > APA (see the bottom, #14): http://www.apastyle.org/faqs.html#14 > > MLA: > http://www.mla.org/www_mla_org/style/style_main.asp?level=2&mode=page&page=1 > &link=sty72800121252§ion=sty51800124510 > > Chicago Manual of Style: > http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/cmosfaq.html#8 > > http://spider.georgetowncollege.edu/wsr/csc120/wp1spa97.htm > > http://www.cmu.edu/styleguide/punctuation.html#spacing > > http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/period.htm > > There are many more, but you get the idea. > > Todd > > -- > Todd Slater > 10:03am up 1 day, 20:52, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.07, 0.10 > Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education. > (Bertrand Russell) > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] installing Star Office
> That's right. Sorry, I made a mistake when giving the version number. The > package in Contribs is the latest build, 641d. It is the last planned release > before OpenOffice.org 1.0. Why didn't Sun wait for OO1 before releasing SO6? That doesn't make much sense. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
