date:20030107

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 17:55, Colin McElhatton wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to know what procedure I should use in order to create
> new shortcuts on my desktop/KDE menu (was going to call it a Start
> menu out of habit :P ) Anyway I recently installed Netscape 7.01 and
> now I would like to create an icon on my desktop so that I can run it
> quicker. How do I go about it? I tried drag and dropping the
> executable's icon to the desktop but when I double-clicked it just
> said "cannot find ". I am sure there is a simple way to do
> this but being a newbie myself I could not figure it out, any
> suggestions?
> 
> Best Regards,
> Colin McElhatton AIMIS 
> email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

1.) Right-click the desktop, choose CREATE NEW, then LINK TO APPLICATION
2.) Put a name in the text box on this first tab
3.) Click the EXECUTE tab, and in the space there, you can either browse
for the application  you want, or type in the true path name to the
executable (for Netscape, it should be /usr/local/netscape/netscape)
4.) Click again on the FIRST tab, click the icon to the left of the box
you put the name in and browse through all the pretty icons til you find
the one you want.
5.) Click OK and you're done!

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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 17:05, Jim Dawson wrote:
> Ok, That's enough. Let's get on with something more important
> 
> Which is better. vi or emacs?
> 
> 

Bastard! This is even worse!

For small to medium sized documnets - vi.
For large scale documentation and projects, xemacs.
For the inept, MS Word.
For the semi-inept, KWord.
For the M$ revolutionaries, SO or OO.
For those just wanting a really nice document, AbiWord.

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Re: [newbie] A very sweet victory indeed! - OT

On Wednesday 08 January 2003 04:51, Carl J. Bauman wrote:
> I guess what bugged me about Reuters coverage of the verdict was the
> apparent bias that they displayed with quotes like:
>
> "A Norwegian teen-ager who created a computer program to copy
> Hollywood movies"
>
> and
>
> "he helped unlock a code and distribute a program enabling
> unauthorized copying of DVD movies"
>
> when he's stated over and over again that he only wrote the thing so
> that he could view movies on an OS that the movie industry didn't
> support.  Viewing and "unauthorized copying" are very different things
> in my book.
>
> But then, maybe I don't have all the facts.
>
> Carl

I agree with you. This difference itself is what led the fella to the 
"sweet victory"

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Re: [newbie] K-Mail Filter question

2003-01-07 Thread _nasturtium

On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 02:47 am, _nasturtium wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:03 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >   I'm using KMail 1.4.3. What I do for some folders is right-click on
> > > them, select Properties, then choose "expire messages". There's a few
> > > options, you can choose whether to expire only read or unread messages
> > > after x days. In this context, expiring messages means deleting them.
> > > So you can set to expire messages in sent mail after 60 days as such.
> >
> > Tried that, but it didn't do anything.
>
> Hmm...it works on my mandrake-expert mail folder.
> Maybe it'll take 60 days before it works! :-(
Hello,
Just spent my time pondering what could be wrong, Maybe this helps, it's my 
/usr/kmailrc.

===
[Folder-.mandrake.directory/expert-expire]
Compactable=true
Current=1578
DateWidth=170
ExpireMessages=true
Identity=Myself
MailingListAdminAddress=
MailingListEnabled=true
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
OrderOfArrival=false
ReadExpireAge=14
ReadExpireUnits=1
SenderWidth=170
SortColumn=3
Status=false
SubjectWidth=310
Top=1154
UnreadExpireAge=14
UnreadExpireUnits=1
UnreadMsgs=1440
WhoField=
htmlMailOverride=false
isOpen=true
threadMessagesOverride=false
===

Perhaps (I don't know why it would, i'm using 1.4.3 as well) your KMail isn't 
updating the file correctly? Sometimes for me the UnreadMsgs count is 
incorrect.

Regards,
_nasturtium

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Re: [newbie] A very sweet victory indeed! - OT

2003-01-07 Thread Carl J. Bauman

I guess what bugged me about Reuters coverage of the verdict was the 
apparent bias that they displayed with quotes like:

   "A Norwegian teen-ager who created a computer program to copy 
Hollywood movies"

and

   "he helped unlock a code and distribute a program enabling 
unauthorized copying of DVD movies"

when he's stated over and over again that he only wrote the thing so 
that he could view movies on an OS that the movie industry didn't 
support.  Viewing and "unauthorized copying" are very different things 
in my book.

But then, maybe I don't have all the facts.

Carl

Lanman wrote:

Have a look at this one folks! You may be interested assuming you have a DVD player in that Linux box!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=569&ncid=738&e=4&u=/nm/20030107/tc_nm/tech_norway_hacker_dc_6

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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]

2003-01-07 Thread Chuck Burns

> > (I'm not getting into this.)
> 
> Damian:
> I'm with you. We can debate less filling vs great taste.
> 

Indeed! Every non-moron knows it's LESS FILLING! :p


OTOH, If we were talking about coffee, then I would have to say TASTES
GREAT!


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Re: [newbie] System messed up

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 20:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi!,
>I have been trying to change my login screen from kdm to gdm and also some other 
>changes like changing the login screen background etc.But i seemed to have messed up 
>my system.Now when i boot the boot operation goes well but on the login screen which 
>is still kdm i see icons for some 10-15 users like postfix,postgres etc.In the 
>desktop options there are only two options i.e.
> default,failsafe :) no gnome,kde.When i login using my account i see a xterm window 
>on top left quarter of screen with no titlebar or scrollbar,though my mouse works, 
>kde or gnome or any other desktop does not come up.if from this xterm window i give 
>commands startkde or startgnome i can start kde and gnome and work with them.Logout 
>or shutdown from graphical desktop takes me back to this xterm.if i close the xterm 
>while in kde or gnome system takes me back to login screen.Also when i go to mandrake 
>control center and click on users under system options ,it says files /etc/ptmp and 
>/etc/gtmp exist and it does not open users options. How can i restore my system.
> Thx,
> Ashutosh
> 

I think if we start from a different perspective, we might be able to
get all your parts back together.

If you can edit the /etc/inittab file and where you see the line:

id:5:initdefault:

Change it to:

id:3:initdefault:

...reboot - and you'll get a text login - BUT don't panic, because you
can make changes here that will start to fix the rest of the problems...

Now, once you've logged in, you can start XWindows with the command:

startx

You'll be presented with the KDE or Gnome2 gui desktop...(or should
be...)

...so try that first, then let's move to part 2.

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Attorney General Edwin Meese III explained why the Supreme Court's Miranda
decision (holding that subjects have a right to remain silent and have a
lawyer present during questioning) is unnecessary: "You don't have many
suspects who are innocent of a crime.  That's contradictory.  If a person
is innocent of a crime, then he is not a suspect."
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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which i s better:KDE or Gnome?]

2003-01-07 Thread Carroll Grigsby

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 06:56 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote:
> > The only enemies America has are enemies of liberty and freedom, and we
>
> Ummm.. errr ok.
>
>
> Damian
>
> (I'm not getting into this.)

Damian:
I'm with you. We can debate less filling vs great taste.

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Re: [newbie] System messed up

On Wednesday 08 January 2003 09:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi!,
>I have been trying to change my login screen from kdm to gdm and also
> some other changes like changing the login screen background etc.But i
> seemed to have messed up my system.Now when i boot the boot operation goes
> well but on the login screen which is still kdm i see icons for some 10-15
> users like postfix,postgres etc.

open up kcontrol (as root)
go to system -> Login manager, then click the "users"
tab, and make sure the UID ranges and "do not show hidden users"
switches are correctly set up.



>In the desktop options there are only two
> options i.e. default,failsafe :) no gnome,kde.When i login using my account
> i see a xterm window on top left quarter of screen with no titlebar or
> scrollbar,though my mouse works, kde or gnome or any other desktop does not
> come up.if from this xterm window i give commands startkde or startgnome i
> can start kde and gnome and work with them.Logout or shutdown from
> graphical desktop takes me back to this xterm.if i close the xterm while in
> kde or gnome system takes me back to login screen.Also when i go to

Again, open up kcontrol as root, go to system -> login manager,
click on "sessions" tab, in the lower part of that pane add KDE, GNOME
and any other you like. My list looks like this:
(beware, this list is case sensitive, GNOME is not the same as Gnome).

KDE
GNOME
WindowMaker
Enlightenment
BlackBox
XFce
IceWM
failsafe
default
IceWM



> mandrake control center and click on users under system options ,it says
> files /etc/ptmp and /etc/gtmp exist and it does not open users options. How
> can i restore my system. Thx,
> Ashutosh

rm -f /etc/?tmp

HTH

Damian


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[newbie] System messed up

2003-01-07 Thread meetashu

Hi!,
   I have been trying to change my login screen from kdm to gdm and also some other 
changes like changing the login screen background etc.But i seemed to have messed up 
my system.Now when i boot the boot operation goes well but on the login screen which 
is still kdm i see icons for some 10-15 users like postfix,postgres etc.In the desktop 
options there are only two options i.e.
default,failsafe :) no gnome,kde.When i login using my account i see a xterm window on 
top left quarter of screen with no titlebar or scrollbar,though my mouse works, kde or 
gnome or any other desktop does not come up.if from this xterm window i give commands 
startkde or startgnome i can start kde and gnome and work with them.Logout or shutdown 
from graphical desktop takes me back to this xterm.if i close the xterm while in kde 
or gnome system takes me back to login screen.Also when i go to mandrake control 
center and click on users under system options ,it says files /etc/ptmp and /etc/gtmp 
exist and it does not open users options. How can i restore my system.
Thx,
Ashutosh


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Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?

2003-01-07 Thread Mark Weaver

Anne Wilson wrote:

On Monday 06 Jan 2003 8:04 am, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:


james Mellema wrote:


On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:49, walt wrote:


Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary
war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be
left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm..

Walt


Whose is Norm?

I vote for:
KDE, libertarian, mechanist, Alaskan ANWAR oil exploration.


May I as a list member on a dial-up connection with limited mail box
space ask WhoTF Norm  is and WhyTF politics are doing on a linux list?
Come on guys answer a few questions or take your non-linux stuff off list

Hylton



Or set a filter on your machine to ignore them

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Re: [newbie] Phoenix 0.5

2003-01-07 Thread Mark Weaver

David Williams wrote:

On Monday 06 January 2003 09:07 pm, Todd Slater wrote:


On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:24:41 -0500

David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Not that anybody really cares.

But I tried Phoenix and I am about to uninstall it. I don't notice any
difference in performance between Mozilla and Phoenix (I have a 1.4GHZ
AMD) and I like the "stuff" like "Open a Web Page" in Moziila (among
other things). Just my two cents worth in case anybody else is going to
try Phoenix out.
David Williams


What's the "Open a Web Page" you refer to?

Todd



Actually, its "Open a Web Location" under the "File" heading. I have it set to 
"Open in a New Navigator Tab". I like the feature as you have a pull down for 
commonly used web pages like "Slashdot".  I think the implementation of tabs 
is better done in Mozilla than in Phoenix.
David

You can also access that functionality by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+L.

Mark




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Re: [newbie] OT's on this list - trying to get back OnTopic

2003-01-07 Thread Carroll Grigsby

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 04:56 am, Andy Micklethwaite wrote:
>
> I've been on this list for 2 days. I'm a newbie to MD, trying to convert
> from Windoze - Among many other things I've not got the SM56 modem going
> yet - guess why! .
>
> However I use a dial up connection, and my access time has gone up an order
> of magnitude with downloading 500+ emails from this list in 2 days. I
> haven't looked at the percentage of OTs to 'real' stuff, but it's not at
> all helpful to newbies. There appear to be helpful hints in there but
> finding them is not easy. I wonder how many other newbies are being put off
> by the sheer volume of OT. I am certainly wondering whether continuing here
> is worthwhile - the noise to signal ratio is too high at present. I shall
> persist for a short time to see what the norm is - or even who
>
> Regards, Andy.

Andy:
Good point, and well put. As Anne Wilson has already pointed out, the OT 
traffic over the past few days has been unusually heavy. It's the price of an 
active, self-moderating list, but the upside is that most responses are 
timely and usually helpful. RTFMs, spams and flames are few and far between 
here; not all lists can make that claim. IMHO, getting some occasional OT 
stuff is more than a fair trade for that kind of behavior. Also, there is 
always going to be more traffic on this list in comparison to other 
distributions' lists because Mandrake delineates its lists by general 
interest -- newbie, expert, cooker -- whereas the others segregate their 
lists by topic -- installation, configuration, networking, etc. My preference 
is to monitor fewer lists and do my own sorting.

As for your SM56 winmodem: While I can't give you any direct help because I've 
never dealt with the beasts, I can give you three winmodem links that others 
have found useful:
linmodems.org
www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
www.fcc/gov/oet/fccid/  (A quick way to identify exactly which modem -- or any 
other piece of hardware -- from the FCC number. You'll need to know the 
manufacturer and specific model number to determine if drivers are available; 
SM56 identifies the chipset, but these chips are used by several 
manufacturers, and not all of them will have Linux drivers. If your 
manufacturer does not offer a suitable driver, you may be able to use a 
driver from another manufacturer. From a search of the table at the ~gromitkc 
site for "SM56", most are marked as WM (not good), and a few are marked LM 
(there's hope).)

You can also check the newbie list archives for previous postings re your 
modem (and there have been some):
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/archives/newbie/
marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbie&r=1&w=2 (easier to use, IMHO)

HTH. If you need some more help, holler. And stick around. You'll find that 
it's worth digging through the noise to get the signals.

Norm was the fat guy on Cheers. A hero of mine. He's never posted here.

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Re: [newbie] OT's on this list

On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 05:56, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

> > Sir Robin Longsig
> 
> If my ancient brain fires the proper neural synaptic pathways correctly
> and remembers - the "four line sig" originated in newsgroups and
> migrated into mailing lists quite some time ago...but that was when
> anal-retentiveness actually had significant meaning other than what it
> denotes now - which is merely anal-retentiveness...
> 
> BTW, I knocked down my "email sig" just to keep the ultra-conservatives
> from burning a wooden cross on me lawn...
> 

My friend, it's not the conservatives that are after you.

> 
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>>SNIP SIG<<<

Heh. ;)

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Re: [newbie] OT's on this list

On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 19:02, Robin Turner wrote:

> 1.  Banter about Star Trek.  You're bound to get that sooner or later
> on any geeky list - it's just the way we are!
> 
> 2.  Arguments about American politics and the incipient war in the 
> Middle East.  I agree that this is totally OT, but on the other hand, 
> there is a war about to start.  Personally I'd rather find out about 
> what my fellow Mandrake users think about a war that has the potential
> to kill me than read about configuration problems for hardware I don't
> have.

Excellent point, Robin.  We are all human beings, first and foremost,
not computer systems.  Human life should be valued above all else,
perhaps even above the topic of the mailing list.  You can have the best
damn list advice in the world, but if you are choking and expiring on
the floor from radioactive mustard gas or anthrax spores, the advice
doesn't mean much of a shite.

A little myopia can be good for mental focus; a lot just plain makes you
blind.

> Let's keep the OT problem in proportion.  90% of on-topic posts are of
> little or no interest to me, because I don't have the problem they are
> describing and can't answer it. I accept this, because this is a
> general Mandrake list, not a list for people who have the same
> hardware and software interests as me.  I also accept that there will
> be a number of OT posts which also do not interest me.
> 
> Sir Robin
> 

True again.  One thing about this list that has always been attractive
to me is how it allows the individuals to be individuals.  CMG was
describing a mailing list to me not too long ago that required all posts
be screened by a moderator before they were released to the list.  Now
that's beyond Nazi; that's just plain nuts.  When I reflect on the
merits of this list and that one, to me it looks like the difference
between a dictatorship and a democracy.

I think that most everybody here being adult, we all have the right to
make judgements about what to post and what not to post, and what the
list is all about.  Most of the time, after the emotions are played out,
the crew here gets right back to the business at hand, most of the time
with much greater enthusiasm as before; probably because they've finally
pulled the corncob out of their @ss and it's not distracting them any
more. 

Sometimes an OT conflict will pull new members right in out of the
woodwork, or reawaken list members that were dozing off. Everybody on
the list has the desire and maturity to stay on task when needed, that's
not the real problem.  The real problem is that they are not given the
credit for having the desire and maturity to stay on task, before the
OT's are attacked. Instead of handling the OT's in a more mature manner;
which is to let the OT's dump the heart baggage, positive or negative,
and get it out in the open.

Even with the conflict, and perhaps because of it, this list is one of
the best examples of "government" by public anarchy that I've ever seen.

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Re: [newbie] Removable media problem

2003-01-07 Thread mike

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 06:46 pm, you wrote:
> I did a fresh install of Mandrake 9.0 and have not been able to get the
> removable media to work. I bought a new cdrom drive and have re-seated
> the cables numerous times. I disabled the supermount using the command
> "supermount -i disable" in a root terminal mode. I have attached my
> dmesg output and my fstab file.
>
> I have a 800 duron, 500 mb ram, sony cdrom , Toshiba DVD-rom and a scsi
> cd burner I move between systems. I have a  GA-71XEH mother brd. I have
> hooked the two hd drives on channel 1 and the cdrom dvdrom on channel 2.
>
> Before I ran the disable supermount I had all sorts of funky icons for
> the removable drives and after I ran it the icons look right but it
> always acts as if there is nothing in the drives. I have tried various
> cd's in both the cdrom and dvd drives to no avail.
>
> I have tried everything I know of but no joy. Any help will be vary much
> appreciated.
> Roly
 
I disabled supermount too.Now I have to mount the floppy and cdrom drives 
manually with the mount and umount commands.
mount /dev/fd0
umount /dev/fd0
mount /dev/hdd
umount /dev/hdd
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Re: [newbie] Removable media problem

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 10:46, Roland Hughes wrote:
> I did a fresh install of Mandrake 9.0 and have not been able to get the
> removable media to work. I bought a new cdrom drive and have re-seated
> the cables numerous times. I disabled the supermount using the command
> "supermount -i disable" in a root terminal mode. I have attached my
> dmesg output and my fstab file.
> 

Have you tried to manually mount the drive as:

mount /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1

(Assuming that the CDROM you just installed is the second drive)

?

> I have tried everything I know of but no joy. Any help will be vary much
> appreciated.
> Roly

...there's a bit of a bug with the "supermount" bit - but
mounting/unmounting manually will tell if you've got mucked up /dev's -
then we can start from that point...

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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which i s better:KDE or Gnome?]


> The only enemies America has are enemies of liberty and freedom, and we

Ummm.. errr ok.


Damian

(I'm not getting into this.)



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[newbie] Removable media problem

2003-01-07 Thread Roland Hughes

I did a fresh install of Mandrake 9.0 and have not been able to get the
removable media to work. I bought a new cdrom drive and have re-seated
the cables numerous times. I disabled the supermount using the command
"supermount -i disable" in a root terminal mode. I have attached my
dmesg output and my fstab file.

I have a 800 duron, 500 mb ram, sony cdrom , Toshiba DVD-rom and a scsi
cd burner I move between systems. I have a  GA-71XEH mother brd. I have
hooked the two hd drives on channel 1 and the cdrom dvdrom on channel 2.

Before I ran the disable supermount I had all sorts of funky icons for
the removable drives and after I ran it the icons look right but it
always acts as if there is nothing in the drives. I have tried various
cd's in both the cdrom and dvd drives to no avail.

I have tried everything I know of but no joy. Any help will be vary much
appreciated.
Roly
 
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So I installed Linux!!

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/dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
/dev/hda3 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/hdc/mnt/cdrom  auto 
codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,noauto,nosuid,ro,umask=0,user,nodev   0 0
/dev/hdd/mnt/cdrom2 auto 
codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,noauto,nosuid,ro,umask=0,user,nodev   0 0
/dev/scd0   /mnt/cdrom3 auto 
codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,noauto,nosuid,ro,umask=0,user,nodev   0 0
/dev/fd0/mnt/floppy auto 
iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,sync,unhide,noauto,nosuid,umask=0,user,nodev  0 0
/dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows ext2 defaults 1 2
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hdb5 /var/www ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0

[roly@localhost roly]$ dmesg
Linux version 2.4.19-16mdk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.2 (Mandrake 
Linux 9.0 3.2-1mdk)) #1 Fri Sep 20 18:15:05 CEST 2002
BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
 BIOS-e820:  - 0009fc00 (usable)
 BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 0010 - 1fff (usable)
 BIOS-e820: 1fff - 1fff8000 (ACPI data)
 BIOS-e820: 1fff8000 - 2000 (ACPI NVS)
 BIOS-e820:  - 0001 (reserved)
511MB LOWMEM available.
Advanced speculative caching feature not present
On node 0 totalpages: 131056
zone(0): 4096 pages.
zone(1): 126960 pages.
zone(2): 0 pages.
Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux ro root=301 devfs=mount quiet mem=nopentium 
hdc=ide-scsi
ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi
Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling.
Found and enabled local APIC!
Initializing CPU#0
Detected 807.966 MHz processor.
Console: colour dummy device 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 1612.18 BogoMIPS
Memory: 515380k/524224k available (1176k kernel code, 8456k reserved, 444k data, 136k 
init, 0k highmem)
Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok.
Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes)
Inode cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
Mount-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
Buffer-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
Page-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes)
CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0183fbff c1c7fbff , vendor = 2
CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line)
CPU: L2 Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line)
CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0183fbff c1c7fbff  
Intel machine check architecture supported.
Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0.
CPU: After generic, caps: 0183fbff c1c7fbff  
CPU: Common caps: 0183fbff c1c7fbff  
CPU: AMD Duron(tm) Processor  stepping 01
Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
enabled ExtINT on CPU#0
ESR value before enabling vector: 
ESR value after enabling vector: 
Using local APIC timer interrupts.
calibrating APIC timer ...
. CPU clock speed is 807.9973 MHz.
. host bus clock speed is 201.9993 MHz.
cpu: 0, clocks: 2019993, slice: 1009996
CPU0
mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel
PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfdb71, last bus=1
PCI: Using configuration type 1
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
PCI: Using IRQ router AMD756 VIPER [1022/740b] at 00:07.3
isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
Initializing RT netlink socket
apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16)
Starting kswapd
VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.5.0 initialized
devfs: v1.12a (20020514) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
devfs: boot_options: 0x1
vesafb: framebuffer at 0xd800, mapped to 0xe080, size 65536k
vesafb: mode is 800x600x16, linelength=1600, pages=3

Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which i s better:KDE or Gnome?]

2003-01-07 Thread Keith

America has lots of friends around the world...Liberal media elites only 
focus on disent...
Appeasement of Hitler did not workNever has, never will.
The only enemies America has are enemies of liberty and freedom, and we have 
always had lots of them, even right here...Only 1/3 of the original 
population wanted to be independent...It took lots of famous Christians like 
Patrick Henry saying "give me liberty, or give me dealth..." and Samuel 
Adams, who lived in relative poverty to promote the cause of freedom...
Keith

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 05:08 pm, Dennis & Sue wrote:
> 
> > > ~Brandon
> >
> >  I think this would be a good point to end this thread, there are many who
> > hold strong views about this subject and I fear that to continue to 
express
> > them here could lead to a falling out of members.
> Yeah, Count me as one.
> 
> > It goes without saying that it is a very emotive subject, many of us will
> > have strong views which will differ widely dependant upon such factors as
> > country of residence, political persuasion, religious belief etc.
> > Let's remember that the members of this list are spread around the globe
> > with the common aim of helping other Mandrake users and promoting Mandrake
> > generally, so let's not spoil it by expressing political opinions which 
are
> > of no relevance to this list and could concievably lead to alienation of
> > valued members.
> I'm probably not considered a valuable member, But I'm considering becoming 
a 
> new member of the Red Hat Group.
> I've had my fill of this cryfest bullshit, This I can get from the Media.
> We'll see where it goes from here.
> 
> 

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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]

On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 18:08, Dennis & Sue wrote:

> Yeah, Count me as one.

I absolutely refuse to do that.

> I'm probably not considered a valuable member, But I'm considering becoming a 
> new member of the Red Hat Group.

You are a VERY valuable member, believe me.

> I've had my fill of this cryfest bullshit, This I can get from the Media.

True.  You are preaching to the choir.

> We'll see where it goes from here.

The leftist socialists are everywhere; however so are the ones in the
right. Going somewhere else won't change their minds or get rid of them.
So hang tough; before long, we'll all be talking about LM90 install
stuff again soon.

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Re: [newbie] rpmdrake

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 10:17, Damian Gatabria wrote:
> > Does anybody know what could be wrong and how to fix it?
> >
> > TIA,
> 
> Just a shot in the dark, but have you tried rpm --rebuilddb?
> 
> HTH
> 
> Damian

I've had to do this before - so now I have a weekly cron job doing it -
JUST in case.

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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie]Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]

On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 19:12, Dennis & Sue wrote:

> My money won't create 200 terrorists, Their FUed Religion already has. What my 
> money will buy is 200 more bullets to put and end to them, And that I would 
> consider money well spent. Besides, it will help to cut down on foreign aid. 
> It's funny how America is always spoke of as being after the allmighty dollar, 
> and yet We're not the ones with our hands forever outstretched to receive our 
> foreign aid check from who ? Yeah.
> No really, we need to continue this thread, I've got plenty more.

Whew.  This is *good* to me.  I'm glad I didn't weigh in on this one
just so I could see this.

Ahh, well.  Back to the LM90 test install.  H...now where did I put
my cowboy hat...

Oh yeah, there it is.  Over there by the WW2 history books.  Oh hell,
there's my 45...

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Re: [newbie] rpmdrake


> Does anybody know what could be wrong and how to fix it?
>
> TIA,

Just a shot in the dark, but have you tried rpm --rebuilddb?

HTH

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Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]

2003-01-07 Thread et

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 08:38 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 18:04, Dennis & Sue wrote:
>
> Well, Dennis & Sue, all I can say is that you've got your shite
> together. You got's my vote, I'll be watching email from this address
> much closer in the future.
>
> Btw, see what you think about this:
>
> Strategy of appeasement = NaziDrake
 a much deserved and post timely death for such OT threads as this, on a 
"tech" mailling list


> Heh.
>
> --LX
>
> P.S.  Funny how, during the last WW, the Allied symbol was a star, which
> is the same symbol as Mandrake carries now.  Conversely, if the beloved
> European appeasement strategy had been brought to fruition with Hitler,
> we would have a swastika symbol instead.
>
> Interesting how history impacts everything.  Like Mandrake.
>
> > I have patiently waited for this ridiculous diatribe to die off. I have
> > "listened" as you people have insulted MY country, MY President, My
> > people. Now, I've had enough, And I'm going to have MY say. Some probably
> > won't like what I have to say, How unfortunate for you. I have not
> > enjoyed much of what you have said.
> >
> > > It has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction, that's an
> > > excuse.
> >
> > Really ? Let's go back to June 7,1981 When Israel blew up a Iraqi nuclear
> > reactor. The world screamed for their blood once again. The Israeli's
> > claimed that it was a preemptive strike. Menachem Begin spoke "The
> > Iraqi's were preparing atomic bombs to drop on the children of Israel","
> > Another holocaust would have happened in the history of the Jewish
> > people". " Never again, NEVER AGAIN"! "Tell your freinds, Tell anybody
> > you meet, we shall defend our people  with all the means at our
> > disposal". Their critics would hear none of that, No it was just the
> > hateful agressive Jews at it again, Just haters, probably Conservatives
> > too. A  U.N. sanction was demanded by Secretary General Chedli Klibi, of
> > the Arab League.  The Russians lined up with the Arabs,As did the
> > British, screaming for  vengence, Screaming for sanctions. The U.N.
> > condemned the Israeli attack. Days later, Israel began releasing
> > documents, Here is some of what was released : 13 feet beneath the
> > reactor, The Iraqi's had been maintaining a secret installation for use
> > in developing an atomic weapon. They had stockpiled 200 tons of natural
> > plutonium . They were indeed developing weapons of mass destruction. That
> > is an undisputable FACT. Not an opinion, not a feeling, not an emotional
> > let's all just get along and pretend it's ok, a FACT.



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Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Books (or lack of them)

On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 17:40, FemmeFatale wrote:

> How the hell I botched that I dunno but I managed to reply to this post & 
> replied to myself!?!!!
> 
> try this again
> 
> -
> FemmeFatale

I told you to give that nitrous oxide bottle a rest.

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Re: [newbie] A very sweet victory indeed!

On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 17:10, Kaj Haulrich wrote:

> Sorry to disappoint you folks, but this verdict is in 
> accordance with the PRESENT law in Norway only. Like 
> Denmark and the whole European Union Norway is about to 
> change its legislation on these matters, making it a crime 
> to write code that can break or surpass copyright 
> encoding. Consequently, the prosecutors ( Holywood ) 
> immidiately appealed.
> 
> Of course, this is the usual schizophrenia of the EU, 
> because at the same time the union strongly encourages the 
> various governments to convert from proprietary to open 
> source software !
> 
> I guess however, that no matter what the final outcome may 
> be, at least we danes will react as usual : we don't care 
> what studid politicians, judges or lawyer dicide. We like 
> common sense as much as freedom.  I suppose *DVD-Jon* will 
> take the same stance.
> 
> Kaj Haulrich
> Denmark.

Well said, Kaj.  A.I miss the homeland.  ;)

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Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which isbetter:KDE or Gnome?]

On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 18:04, Dennis & Sue wrote:

Well, Dennis & Sue, all I can say is that you've got your shite
together. You got's my vote, I'll be watching email from this address
much closer in the future.

Btw, see what you think about this:

Strategy of appeasement = NaziDrake

Heh.

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P.S.  Funny how, during the last WW, the Allied symbol was a star, which
is the same symbol as Mandrake carries now.  Conversely, if the beloved
European appeasement strategy had been brought to fruition with Hitler,
we would have a swastika symbol instead.

Interesting how history impacts everything.  Like Mandrake.

> I have patiently waited for this ridiculous diatribe to die off. I have 
> "listened" as you people have insulted MY country, MY President, My people. 
> Now, I've had enough, And I'm going to have MY say. Some probably won't like 
> what I have to say, How unfortunate for you. I have not enjoyed much of what 
> you have said.
> 
> > It has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction, that's an excuse.
> 
> Really ? Let's go back to June 7,1981 When Israel blew up a Iraqi nuclear 
> reactor. The world screamed for their blood once again. The Israeli's claimed 
> that it was a preemptive strike. Menachem Begin spoke "The Iraqi's were 
> preparing atomic bombs to drop on the children of Israel"," Another holocaust 
> would have happened in the history of the Jewish people". " Never again, 
> NEVER AGAIN"! "Tell your freinds, Tell anybody you meet, we shall defend our 
> people  with all the means at our disposal". Their critics would hear none of 
> that, No it was just the hateful agressive Jews at it again, Just haters, 
> probably Conservatives too. A  U.N. sanction was demanded by Secretary 
> General Chedli Klibi, of the Arab League.  The Russians lined up with the 
> Arabs,As did the British, screaming for  vengence, Screaming for sanctions. 
> The U.N. condemned the Israeli attack. Days later, Israel began releasing 
> documents, Here is some of what was released : 13 feet beneath the reactor, 
> The Iraqi's had been maintaining a secret installation for use in developing 
> an atomic weapon. They had stockpiled 200 tons of natural plutonium . They 
> were indeed developing weapons of mass destruction. That is an undisputable 
> FACT. Not an opinion, not a feeling, not an emotional let's all just get 
> along and pretend it's ok, a FACT.

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RE: [newbie] Mandrake Books (or lack of them)

2003-01-07 Thread Adolfo Bello

> Other than that I have a link here if you want it for Free 
> (YES FREE!!! 
> do i sound like a paid advert yet? ) for E-Books:
> 
http://maththinking.com/boat/languageBooksIndex.html

Great, Femme. Really great. Thans a lot.

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[newbie] rpmdrake

2003-01-07 Thread Guilherme Cirne

Hi all,

I'm having some problems with rpmdrake. Suddenly it won't start anymore. I 
can't remember when I last used it but it has always worked perfectly, up 
until today.

When I try to start it from a terminal i get the following messages:

examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 
1 (x86) (cdrom1).cz]

examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 
2 (x86) (cdrom2).cz]

examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD 
(x86) (cdrom3).cz]

examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.RPMs.cz]

examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.RPMs2.cz]

examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Contrib.cz]

examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.RPMs3.cz]

examining synthesis file 
[/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.update_source.cz]

examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Plf.cz]

and then it just sits there forever. I tried removing the Plf source with 
urpmi.removemedia Plf thinking that might be the problem but it still 
doesn't start. It gives the same messages up to the (now) last source:

examining synthesis file 
[/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.update_source.cz]

Does anybody know what could be wrong and how to fix it?

TIA,

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Re: [newbie] redauction

2003-01-07 Thread Simon Prosser

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>
> Anne
makes a change i guess :D
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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which i s better:KDE or Gnome?]

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 07:07 pm, Robin Turner wrote:
> Dennis & Sue wrote:
> >>>~Brandon
> >>
> >> I think this would be a good point to end this thread, there are many
> >> who hold strong views about this subject and I fear that to continue to
> >> express them here could lead to a falling out of members.
> >
> > Yeah, Count me as one.
>
> As someone who recently insulted the religion of about 25% of the
> planet, that is rich.

 I was struck, BEFORE I  struck .
Kind of how Americans are, Kind, Patient,  Generous,and Tolerant, To a point.
then we stand up for what we believe in. If necessary, we put our lives on the 
line.
We don't scurry away hoping someone else will do it for us . We're not 
cowards. We don't target civilians, We don't place them in harm's way, and we 
don't use them for shields.
Read up a bit about your 25%'s beliefs sport, Something other than the drivel 
you get from the media.

> > I'm probably not considered a valuable member, But I'm considering
> > becoming a new member of the Red Hat Group.
> > I've had my fill of this cryfest bullshit, This I can get from the Media.
> > We'll see where it goes from here.
>
> Interesting - you are considering changing your distro because some
> people have opinions you don't like? 
Oh no, differing opinions don't bother me, Being insulted begins to get old 
rather quickly.

 Don't bother - I'm sure there are
> bleeding-heart liberals on the RedHat list as well.  Didn't you wonder
> why the hat was red?
 Gosh no, I honestly never wondered why the hat was red. Do you suppose it's 
because they love liberal sobfests as well ?
Do you suppose their mailing lists are infected with liberal whine a thons ?
Do you suppose they would be profitable if that were the case ?
Liberalism doesn't sell, Nobody buys into it.
> Sir Robin



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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]

2003-01-07 Thread Robin Turner

Dennis & Sue wrote:

~Brandon


I think this would be a good point to end this thread, there are many who
hold strong views about this subject and I fear that to continue to express
them here could lead to a falling out of members.


Yeah, Count me as one.


As someone who recently insulted the religion of about 25% of the 
planet, that is rich.

It goes without saying that it is a very emotive subject, many of us will
have strong views which will differ widely dependant upon such factors as
country of residence, political persuasion, religious belief etc.
Let's remember that the members of this list are spread around the globe
with the common aim of helping other Mandrake users and promoting Mandrake
generally, so let's not spoil it by expressing political opinions which are
of no relevance to this list and could concievably lead to alienation of
valued members.


I'm probably not considered a valuable member, But I'm considering becoming a 
new member of the Red Hat Group.
I've had my fill of this cryfest bullshit, This I can get from the Media.
We'll see where it goes from here.

Interesting - you are considering changing your distro because some 
people have opinions you don't like?  Don't bother - I'm sure there are 
bleeding-heart liberals on the RedHat list as well.  Didn't you wonder 
why the hat was red?

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] VNC getting OT to urpmi

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 10:39, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 19:43, Lee wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > Can I urpmi a Red Hat RPM?
> >
> > Lee
>
> You might be able to, but keep in mind that MDK and RH have different
> directory structures for different applications - you could very well
> cause things to break, and it's not necessarily advised.

So you state! I for one have never been able to break anything using urpmi 
provided I don't allow 'force' or 'nodeps'.
Sometimes the app's install but don't work and then "urpme" is called for.

I wonder, does anyone have real experiences to share in breaking things using 
plain urpmi? Maybe I've just been lucky up to now.

Good going,
HarM

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Re: [newbie] OT's on this list

2003-01-07 Thread Robin Turner

Anne Wilson wrote:

You hit us at the wrong time, Andy.  There is usually a bit of OT, but not 
much.  This last 2 days have been most unusual.  However, things have been a 
bit quiet in the past few weeks.  The norm, without much OT, is 200 - 250 
posts a day.  

A good point.  The two major OT threads are:

1.  Banter about Star Trek.  You're bound to get that sooner or later on 
any geeky list - it's just the way we are!

2.  Arguments about American politics and the incipient war in the 
Middle East.  I agree that this is totally OT, but on the other hand, 
there is a war about to start.  Personally I'd rather find out about 
what my fellow Mandrake users think about a war that has the potential 
to kill me than read about configuration problems for hardware I don't have.

Let's keep the OT problem in proportion.  90% of on-topic posts are of 
little or no interest to me, because I don't have the problem they are 
describing and can't answer it. I accept this, because this is a general 
Mandrake list, not a list for people who have the same hardware and 
software interests as me.  I also accept that there will be a number of 
OT posts which also do not interest me.

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Re: [newbie] update mirrors MDK 9.0

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 19:27, ivette brusselmans wrote:
> Yes, I added the relative path, but when I click on update to update the
> update_source, save and quit, reopen mandrake software manager,
> update_source is not indicated.

I had a simular sort of problem. First deleting the existing update_source en 
than adding one worked OK. I use the club-internet.fr server BTW.

Then using Mandrake Update requires me to select the mirror again, but after 
that, it works. Whatever the reason!

What this "update" function does in the "software sources manager"? I wouldn't 
know, maybe it's just there 'cause it looks nice.:o)

Good luck,
HarM

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Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which isbetter:KDE or Gnome?]

2003-01-07 Thread Robin Turner

Lyvim Xaphir wrote:

On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 04:20, John Richard Smith wrote:


Our Prime minister Tony Blair is way out on a limb.There is little support
for an Iraqi war.



Let me tell you something. Your prime minister has more balls than all
the leaders in Europe put together and multiplied by 10x.  He's well
thought of in the United States, almost a hero even.  He's what I call a
real leader.  You guys are lucky as hell to have him.


I promised myself I would not contribute the slew of OT posts here, but 
I couldn't resist.  For my recently-posted thoughts on Blair and the 
Gulf, see www.livejournal.com/users/solri

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[newbie] OT's

2003-01-07 Thread Lee

I have a complaint.

Can't we have video with these political rants?  It's boring without watching 
the stomping, arm flapping, drooling, etc.  Don't hit the monitor with the 
flag.

Lee


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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 08:26 am, Hesham Khonji wrote:

> What if along with that one "terrorist" supporter, your tax money destroys
> innocent civilians  
That would be a sad, and unfortunate colatteral effect. Most certain to 
happen, unavoidable since the Arabs use civilians as shields. But then again, 
that's one reason it's called a war,war is hell,  and not a picnic.

and creates 200 other "terrorist" supporters. Would you
> consider your money well spent then?

My money won't create 200 terrorists, Their FUed Religion already has. What my 
money will buy is 200 more bullets to put and end to them, And that I would 
consider money well spent. Besides, it will help to cut down on foreign aid. 
It's funny how America is always spoke of as being after the allmighty dollar, 
and yet We're not the ones with our hands forever outstretched to receive our 
foreign aid check from who ? Yeah.
No really, we need to continue this thread, I've got plenty more.
>
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[newbie] nautilus scripts - where can I find more/share some

2003-01-07 Thread Azrael

The scripts in the right click menu in nautilus is rather useful, and I
have made a few very simple ones for myself, and I was wondering if
there was a website where one could share them, and more usefully, find
other ones.

Many thanks,


p.s. In case anyone is interested, I installed mp3toogg (copied a perl
script to /usr/bin/) and made the following script to let me click on
mp3s in nautilus and convert to oggs.:


#!/bin/sh

if test $# -ne 1; then
exit 1
fi

quoted=$(echo -e "$NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATHS" | awk 'BEGIN {
FS = "\n" } { printf "\"%s\" ", $1 }' | sed -e s#\"\"##)

eval "/usr/bin/mp3toogg 5 $quoted"

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RE: [newbie] A much better, happier, brighter, Mandrake Friendly article

2003-01-07 Thread Adolfo Bello

> BTW, the writer is brilliant -
Sure he is.

http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT9221428935.html

Thanks for the link.


> Cheers! Hope everyone's happier with the SLIMMED DOWN SIGNATURE.

I miss the guy staring at the monitor :-)

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Re: [newbie] Nvidia Geforce 4 - Poor Video etc

2003-01-07 Thread Jordan Elver

Thanks for the reply Stephen,

> > Question 1:
> > My problem is that, when I try to play a DVD the picture has a grey box
> > over the image. You can see the video in the background, but it's like
> > the video has a transparent gray box in front. DVD used to play ok with
> > the Matrox.
>
> Blow out your mplayer prefs/configs and fire it up again.
> (open a term and type: rm .mplayer - delete the hidden dir)

Thanks, I did that. But before I got your reply, I relised that it was only 
xine which was causing the problem. Whenever you run xine I get the grey 
screen, and every app afterwards gets the same. I tried removing the old 
version and installing the latest but not th d5d plugin doesn't show up.

> > Question 2:
> > My config file is very minimal, I removed so options, which I think were
> > Matrox specific. Could some kind person mail me an example of there
> > config file? or point to a site that has examples?
>
> There is a wonderful proggie for tweaking your NVidia - called "yanc" -
>
> http://yanc.sourceforge.net/index-en.html
>
> It's beautiful!

Yeah, I saw your post the other day about it, I'll give it a try.

> > Question 3:
> > When I check in HardDrake, it identifies the card as a Geforce 2? But in
> > windows, it's a Geforce 4. Why would this be?
>
> Keep in mind that the Hardwaredrake only reads from the text file - so
> the labelling in the text file is reflected here - use "yanc" and you'll
> be right.

Thats strange though, I've never had a Geforce 2, why would it show that?

Thanks for your help :)
Jordan

P.S. Does anyone know how to get xine to UPDATE packages using urpmi? It never 
seems to want to update packagaes which are already installed. Specifically, 
I want to update gtk.
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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which i s better:KDE or Gnome?]


> > ~Brandon
>
>  I think this would be a good point to end this thread, there are many who
> hold strong views about this subject and I fear that to continue to express
> them here could lead to a falling out of members.
Yeah, Count me as one.

> It goes without saying that it is a very emotive subject, many of us will
> have strong views which will differ widely dependant upon such factors as
> country of residence, political persuasion, religious belief etc.
> Let's remember that the members of this list are spread around the globe
> with the common aim of helping other Mandrake users and promoting Mandrake
> generally, so let's not spoil it by expressing political opinions which are
> of no relevance to this list and could concievably lead to alienation of
> valued members.
I'm probably not considered a valuable member, But I'm considering becoming a 
new member of the Red Hat Group.
I've had my fill of this cryfest bullshit, This I can get from the Media.
We'll see where it goes from here.


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Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 04:20 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
> Our Prime minister Tony Blair is way out on a limb.There is little support
> for an Iraqi war.

I have patiently waited for this ridiculous diatribe to die off. I have 
"listened" as you people have insulted MY country, MY President, My people. 
Now, I've had enough, And I'm going to have MY say. Some probably won't like 
what I have to say, How unfortunate for you. I have not enjoyed much of what 
you have said.

> It has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction, that's an excuse.

Really ? Let's go back to June 7,1981 When Israel blew up a Iraqi nuclear 
reactor. The world screamed for their blood once again. The Israeli's claimed 
that it was a preemptive strike. Menachem Begin spoke "The Iraqi's were 
preparing atomic bombs to drop on the children of Israel"," Another holocaust 
would have happened in the history of the Jewish people". " Never again, 
NEVER AGAIN"! "Tell your freinds, Tell anybody you meet, we shall defend our 
people  with all the means at our disposal". Their critics would hear none of 
that, No it was just the hateful agressive Jews at it again, Just haters, 
probably Conservatives too. A  U.N. sanction was demanded by Secretary 
General Chedli Klibi, of the Arab League.  The Russians lined up with the 
Arabs,As did the British, screaming for  vengence, Screaming for sanctions. 
The U.N. condemned the Israeli attack. Days later, Israel began releasing 
documents, Here is some of what was released : 13 feet beneath the reactor, 
The Iraqi's had been maintaining a secret installation for use in developing 
an atomic weapon. They had stockpiled 200 tons of natural plutonium . They 
were indeed developing weapons of mass destruction. That is an undisputable 
FACT. Not an opinion, not a feeling, not an emotional let's all just get 
along and pretend it's ok, a FACT.

> It has everything to do with the American Governments Middle East Foreign
> Policy, which is stimulating terrorism  and has been for some time,

America's "sin" that stimulates terrorism is this - Supporting Israel. As long 
as we support Israel then we will be hated by the Arab nations. Our only 
mistake was during the Iran / Iraq war assuming that the enemy of our enemy 
is our friend. They are not, never have been, never will be. If not for 
Israel, Then because we are not Islamic. When the Arabs have no common enemy 
to fight, They kill each other. As much as we hear of the "plight" of the 
Palastinians, Which of those nations have ever raised a finger to help their 
brother Palistine ?  They throw the Palastinians out of their countries. Only 
using them as pawns against Israel.
When Israel offered the Palastinians settlements, and money They were told not 
to accept, To do so would cost them their lives. Yassar Arafat led attacks 
against HIS people, The ones who accepted land, and money. Yassar Arafat 
killed HIS brothers for wanting peace.

and an
> invasion of Iraq right now will confirm in the minds of evey Arab just
> how much they have to fear.

And what are these 9/11 , School bombing  type of attacks suppose to stimulate 
? Fear. So you can quit whining about the poor , innocent Arabs. Especially 
when the cowardly little bastards run into an Israeli school and blow up 
innocent civilians.
 They are all in bed together on this terror. It is how cowards fight. It's 
all they know, nothing of honor, Nothing of Integrity. 

They are a detestable people hell bent on your destruction. They do not want 
peace. And I do not want peace at any cost. Why is it that liberals generally 
want peace, no matter what the price ? Is it  worth your dignity ? Your self 
respect ?  Your silence to wrongs committed against an innocent people ? What 
wouldn't you give for it ? Apparantly your life.

> The middle east is the worlds oil well,

Not after America comes in, It's called the spoils of war, and it then belongs 
to US.
 invading Iraq at this time and
> under current circumstances is a 10 year blue touch paper to ww3 with
> china. John

At the moment, The only thing China really has on us in manpower.   They can 
send them out like ants, Lose 20 million like nothing. That's why we develop 
weapons.
And besides, What are we suppose to do ? Cower in the corner like most of the 
world did some 60 years ago ?
"Oh no, We can't defend ourselves because somebody might beat us up" , Or is 
it this instead " It just wouldn't be prudent" ?
I've had my fill of people "pissing" on the one nation that has helped every 
other. We've put our blood, sweat, and tears into EVERY other nation on this 
planet and have been insulted for it. 
We are not perfect, we make mistakes. This just doesn't happen to be one of 
them.
And neither will taking out the next Arab nation.

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Fwd: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Books (or lack of them)




At 11:56 PM 1/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:

Is there any good book on Mandrake 9? 8.2?

I really don't understand why there are that many books on RH and none that
I know on Mandrake.

BTW, I really enjoyed the "KDE or Gnome" thread.

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I agree Adolpho.  I think its because Mandrake is a France distro & there 
aren't a lot of books from there that can be translated to english 
easily... OR so i'm surmising. :|

Other than that I have a link here if you want it for Free (YES 
FREE!!! do i sound like a paid advert yet? ) for E-Books:

http://maththinking.com/boat/languageBooksIndex.html



How the hell I botched that I dunno but I managed to reply to this post & 
replied to myself!?!!!

try this again

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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which i s better:KDE or Gnome?]

At 06:21 AM 1/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>  I think this would be a good point to end this thread, there are many who
> hold strong views about this subject and I fear that to continue to 
express
> them here could lead to a falling out of members.
> It goes without saying that it is a very emotive subject, many of us 
will have
> strong views which will differ widely dependant upon such factors as 
country
> of residence, political persuasion, religious belief etc.
> Let's remember that the members of this list are spread around the 
globe with
> the common aim of helping other Mandrake users and promoting Mandrake
> generally, so let's not spoil it by expressing political opinions which 
are
> of no relevance to this list and could concievably lead to alienation of
> valued members.
> --
> http://www.poogle.co.uk

Well said.

Now, if I can just get my wine/counter-strike stuff working, I can get
back to fighting terrorism instead of reading/writing about it here. ;)

Have a good one,
~Brandon

Laffs, Poogle always has something good to say.  I agree with ya Brandon, 
though I prefer something more fun like WarCraft 3 where the enemy is more 
easily discerned by the Rush of attackers flooding my way while they 
annihilate my forces!

:)
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Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]

At 10:29 AM 1/7/2003 +0100, you wrote:



John Richard Smith wrote:

Our Prime minister Tony Blair is way out on a limb.There is little support
for an Iraqi war.


I think that this list is intended for discussion about Mandrake Linux.

While I appreciate your opinion and actually agree with most points, in my 
opinion this list is not appropriate to discuss politics.

--
Milos Prudek

hate to agree, but i do

heh... politics/abortion/religion=not listable stuff really... gets too 
messy :)

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Books (or lack of them)

At 11:56 PM 1/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:

Is there any good book on Mandrake 9? 8.2?

I really don't understand why there are that many books on RH and none that
I know on Mandrake.

BTW, I really enjoyed the "KDE or Gnome" thread.

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I agree Adolpho.  I think its because Mandrake is a France distro & there 
aren't a lot of books from there that can be translated to english 
easily... OR so i'm surmising. :|

Other than that I have a link here if you want it for Free (YES FREE!!! 
do i sound like a paid advert yet? ) for E-Books:

http://maththinking.com/boat/languageBooksIndex.html



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Re: [newbie] Voting Poll

On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 9:30 pm, Richard Gelling wrote:
> Hi
>
> I dont know if anybody is interested but there is a voting poll at the
> following URL:
>
> http://discuss.extremetech.com/extremetech/messages?msg=24562.1
>
> Where you can vote for the best version of windoze or If you prefer
> Linux.Lets see if we can raise the numbers a bit.
>
> Richard G.

Win98 9%, WinMe 2%, Linux 13% - it's a start

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Re: [newbie] weird problem listening to music

2003-01-07 Thread Azrael

On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 21:57, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 08:40, Azrael wrote:
> > I have mpg123 installed, and also ogg123 installed. However when using
> > nautilus to double-click on an mp3 or ogg file, even though the above
> > programs are the defaults, I hear nothing.
> > If I use mpg123 at the command line to play an mp3, I hear nothing.
> > Yet I can get sound from playing video file sin xine, or even mp3's in
> > xmms.
> > 
> > Anyone understand what is going on?
> > 
> > I have a secondary issue: I recently re-installed mdk9, previously I
> > could hover the mouse over an mp3/off file, and hear it play. A little
> > icon would appear on the song when doing this.
> > 
> > Now this doesn't happen, no sound, and no little icon appearing to
> > symbolise it trying to preview the music.
> > Related problem to above one?
> > 
> > Help much appreciated, thanks!
> 
> KDE and Gnome2 use different sound engines. ESD is the engine for Gnome,
> aRTS is the engine for KDE. You might have to double check your settings
> for sound preferences in order to get them to work properly.


Sheesh .. 'enable sound server startup' in gnome. Did that, and my
problems are both solved. Sheesh I feel stupid now!!!

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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which i s better:KDE or Gnome?]

2003-01-07 Thread Ronald J. Hall

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 09:21 am, Brandon Vanderberg wrote:

> Well said.
>
> Now, if I can just get my wine/counter-strike stuff working, I can get
> back to fighting terrorism instead of reading/writing about it here. ;)
>
> Have a good one,
> ~Brandon

I love Half-Life here under WineX - I've not tried CounterStrike yet. I've got 
all of them though, bought them in a "all in one pack". I watched the intro 
to CounterStrike on my sons' dual-booting computer. It looked fun. :-)

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Re: [newbie] IBM Deskstars in Mandrake 9.0 server

2003-01-07 Thread Ronald J. Hall

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 10:52 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:

>  There's two schools on this, I side with those that believe
> spinning the drives down is a bad idea.  Sort'a like a lightbulb,
> they last longer if you're not always turnin 'em off and on ;)

One of the things I do when I install a new MB/update BIOS is go into power 
management and make sure my HD(s) *don't* spin down... 

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Re: [newbie] A very sweet victory indeed!

2003-01-07 Thread Ronald J. Hall

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 02:41 pm, Lanman wrote:
> Have a look at this one folks! You may be interested assuming you have a
> DVD player in that Linux box!
>
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=569&ncid=738&e=4&u=/nm/200
>30107/tc_nm/tech_norway_hacker_dc_6
>
> Lanman

Well, its about time. Nice to know some jury's have got a little common sense.

Now I don't have to draw the curtains, shut the doors, and don a mask just to 
watch "Lord Of The Rings"! 

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Re: [newbie] Gimp question

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 03:38, Anne Wilson wrote:
> Whilst installing something else, I saw what I thought was a Gimp plugin, and 
> installed it.  The menu says that it is Gimp 1.3.8.  It looks like a later 
> version of Gimp, but seems incomplete.  Certainly it doesn't see my scanner, 
> and few .jpgs preview (I think the ones that do have been open in the old 
> Gimp first, which presumably created the preview).  Opening a .jpg that 
> hasn't previewed seems to result in a chequer-board display.  The 
> documentation files are not present.
> 
> What is this?  Is it a demo of work in hand?  It looks as though it will be 
> good when it's complete, but it's pretty useless at the  moment.  Is this my 
> install, or is it the program itself?
> 
> Anne

I tried to work with GIMP-1.3.8, but after dealing with it's "lack of
speed" and it's apparent umbilical cord to Gnome2 and GCONF - AND it's
inability to perform simple functions as did the GIMP 1.2+ series, I
went back to 1.2.3 instead...doesn't really seem finished, though...

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Re: [newbie] Personal database use

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 03:55, Anne Wilson wrote:
> I have a large quantity of data collected over a long time in Lotus Approach 
> databases.  These are in many respects like Access, I think, with Lotus 
> Approach supplying the front-end, relational engine, forms designer and query 
> tools which act on .dbf database tables.  I have opened one of the tables 
> successfully in StarCalc, so I know they are readable.
> 
> I want to migrate these files to linux - at present I'm using Win4Lin to 
> access them.  MySQL looks over the top for a single user app, and as far as I 
> can see Katabase is still in early development.  I have done a tiny bit of 
> SQL work, so the idea doesn't panic me, but I wonder if it is the best 
> solution.  Has anyone any comments?
> 
> Anne

Personally I would export the data to csv and then import it into a new
MySQL database. There are heaps of GUI controllers/tools/administrative
navigators for MySQL - and you could quite easily create a front end
from either PHP, KOffice, OO or SO...

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RE: SV: SV: [newbie] OT - Star Trek Nemesis

2003-01-07 Thread Franki

well, I don't know if I prefer Voyager or TNG but I will say that on a perve
scale...

7of9 has yet to be topped.

Wonder what OS, the borg use to commumicate with the hive?


rgds

Frank

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On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 09:12, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 3:25 pm, Anders Lind wrote:
> > Deanna Troi was fabulous.  And Will Riker grew on you.  Kinda like his
> > beard.  Anyway, Deanna was great!  You can instantly tell what season
> > you're watching by looking at her bust size.
> >
> > Anders Lind wrote:
> >
> > LOL, the woman is not even good looking IMO, anyway those shallowness
> > aside, she is just boring IMO, no action or so and same with Riker, my
> > favorites on TNG (Which I BTW think along with DS9 are the most boring
> > ST's, I have not seen any Enterprise though) are Data, Worf and Yar
>
> Never like Yar, but could go for Worf anytime
>
> Anne

But being a woman, you didn't have the same appreciation for her tight
uniform, short blonde hair, large, er, lungs, shapely, er, uh, physical
stature...(almost like 7 of 9)


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Re: [newbie] OT's on this list

2003-01-07 Thread Keith

Andy,  I've been on the list when I have time for about six months.  Mail 
volume has been DOWN, possibly because of everyone being busy of the 
Christmas/New Years holidays.  
It's best to FILTER your messages so business/personal/mandrake mail all goes 
to its own "box", that way, even if you get too busy to read Mandrake mail, 
you will still get your mail needed for daily life/business.
The current 3 OT topics have been UNUSUAL...Often there are weeks with none 
or just a little comment on the bottom of a post on hardware.  
My guess is OT is normally only 1% (one percent) of total volume.
My advice is drop this forum UNLESS you truly want to learn...Mail volume 
will not likely go down
We on the list could help EVERYONE by ONLY QUOTING WHAT IS NEEDED IN 
RESPONDING TO A QUESTION/COMMENT...That will save much more online time 
that cutting OT's...
 
noise to signal ratio is too high at present. I shall persist for a short 
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Re: [newbie] IBM Deskstars in Mandrake 9.0 server

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 02:10, Chuck Burns wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 05:28, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > 
> > I like Maxtor drives - and I especially like the fact that they are the 
> > cheapest offered by my vendor as well as being utterly reliable in my 
> > experience.
> > 
> Maxtor? Bad Juju for me.  Probably one of the loudest hard drives I've
> ever used.  I've also been scared of seagate for years, but there seems
> to be a genuine effort by that company to fix that, and I would actually
> even consider buying them. (NOT the desktop line.. the barracuda's...)
> 
> Chuck

Mostly I've had wonderful experiences with IBM and Seagate drives -
especially for large scale boxen...WD's for everything/everyone
else...my ST's are happy campers and run 24x7x365.25 - rarely ever
powered down. Heat problems - especially due to poor case design have
been fixed by cutting a 6" diameter hole in the SIDE of the casing and
bolting a 240v, 400 cubic meter per hour fan in the side (who says I
don't mod my cases?) - keeping everything inside at a nice 21c (and the
CPU at a nice 33c).

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Re: [newbie] Personal database use

On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 7:17 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Anne,
>
> the physical location of the different components are irrelevant.
>  the database (Mysql) is the server and the client (mysql cli
> client, myphpadmin, perl/cgi/html webpage, whatever) is the
> client.  they can easily be on the same pc or different ones; i
> use them in both scenarios.  likewise the ui can be on the same
> pc or a different platform completely; all you need do is direct
> the connection back to mysql, whether it be a local or networked
> connection.  basically the database and whatever interface you
> decide on are completely separate and have only the constructed
> connection between them in common.
>
Thanks, Joe

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake9.0 and Mplayer problems

2003-01-07 Thread John Richard Smith

Charles A Edwards wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:14:52 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well I've got a working version on but I cannot say I'm all that happy.
For one thing I have had to go back to an old mplayer tar ball
MPlayer-20020919.tar.gz.

John, I can send you the .spec for mplayer-0.90.rc2.
It can be built as straight mdk or with more bells and whistles as plf.
I have built and tested it myself on my 9.0 system and it contains no requirements which are not available from either the mdk 9.0 tree or the
plf 9.0 tree, just use urpmi to install any pkgs it says you are missing.
Should you have problem building it I can probably get you those as well.

Charles

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Why not ,
I have since last message got the pre9 compiled and on and
working quite well as gmplayer and mplayer but it stalls in mencoder
says something about not having libmp3lame installed.

I thought these mplayerpre9's etc were supposed to be pretty much
self contained tar balls , doesn't seem like it . not so Polished output
and
all that. I must say M8.2 and mplayer pre5 where I came in with installing
mplayer was much easier to install. M9 doesn't seem to suit any
of these current "pre" releases very much.

I take it

mplayer-0.90.rc2

is an rpm install , what's the chance of clashing with
my existing tar ball installs ?

Anyweay I'm will to try.

John

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Re: [newbie] Personal database use

On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 7:16 pm, Milos Prudek wrote:
> > I want to migrate these files to linux - at present I'm using Win4Lin to
> > access them.  MySQL looks over the top for a single user app, and as far
> > as I can see Katabase is still in early development.  I have done a tiny
> > bit of SQL work, so the idea doesn't panic me, but I wonder if it is the
> > best solution.  Has anyone any comments?
>
> PostgreSQL is excellent and fast. A graphical X window client "pgaccess"
> is available, stable and full-featured. This client works nicely for
> both local and remote connections. It definitely beats using web browser
> for database access.

OK - I looked it up.  It looks very approachable.  Is PostgreSQL a better 
choice than MySQL, do you think?

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Re: [newbie] Desktop Question

2003-01-07 Thread Tom

Size will only allow me to adjust it bigger Horizontally.  I cannot adjust
it vertically and I need it smaller, not bigger.


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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Desktop Question


> On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 1:49 pm, Tom wrote:
> > My windows on KDE or GNOME are too large for the screen.  I have tried
> > every resolution setting but it does not fix the problem.  I have
searched
> > documentation and still did not see a fix to this.  I am sure it is a
> > simple setting that I am overlooking but I cannot find it.  In a
WinBLows
> > system changing the resolution to a higher setting fixes this problem.
But
> > it does not on my Mandrake 9.0 machine.
>
>
> In KDE  size the windows to the size of your choice, position them on the
> Desktop you prefer, and then right click on the top of the Window and
select
> Store Settings
>
>
> derek
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Re: [newbie] Mounting Iomega External 100MB Zip Drive

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 01:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ok, I've never used a zip drive before, so I bought one off ebay for $12 ;) 
> 
> The only port it'll fit into is my printer port (the plug has 25 pins). 
> Everything appears to work and I have a zip disk inserted. 
> 
> I've read the HOWTO documentation that says to, among other things, make an 
> entry in fstab for /dev/sda, but I don't see an entry in /dev for this, or 
> anything like it. 
> 
> Is there something else in /dev I could use? 
> 
> I'm running Mandrake 9.0

Part of the question lies in this: Is it showing up in the
Hardwaredrake? If the hardware DOES exist in the linux configuration,
then it SHOULD be mountable - but keep in mind as well that the zipdisk
has to be formatted as well...check to see if the hardware is showing up
and take it from that point..."tell us what you see grasshopper"

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Re: [newbie] What happened?

2003-01-07 Thread JM5379

i believe the newest release of mdk defaults to slocate updating
the db (updatedb) weekly rather than daily now.  as root run
updatedb and see if those programs show up with locate after.

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Subject: [newbie] What happened?

>I installed kav (Kaspersky AntiVirus) from the Mdk cds.  I then
tried to=20
>locate the installation.  All I can find are 4 entries like this:
>
>/oldhome/anne/.kde/share/thumbnails/13ff/b654/cf3ae85ae3e15dfe6604afcd/60/k
=
>av4.0_linuxworkstatione.pdf
>
>I presume that this is literally a thumbnail entry - it
certainly doesn't o=
>pen=20
>either in KGhostView or Acrobat.  I have tried 'locate' with kav
and with=
>=20
>kaspersky.  I simply can't find the app or the .pdf
>
>Anne
>

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[newbie] A very sweet victory indeed!

2003-01-07 Thread Lanman

Have a look at this one folks! You may be interested assuming you have a DVD player in 
that Linux box!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=569&ncid=738&e=4&u=/nm/20030107/tc_nm/tech_norway_hacker_dc_6

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Re: [newbie] Nvidia Geforce 4 - Poor Video etc

On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 00:21, Jordan Elver wrote:
> Hi,
> I recently swapped my Matrox G400 Max for an Nvidia Geforce 4 64Mb. I 
> downloaded the driver tarballs from nvidia.com, installed them, changed the 
> XFree86 Config and it now works ok. I have tried tux racer and that plays 
> better than before. I plan to try unreal 2003 when I can clear some space for 
> the install :)
> 
> Question 1:
> My problem is that, when I try to play a DVD the picture has a grey box over 
> the image. You can see the video in the background, but it's like the video has 
> a transparent gray box in front. DVD used to play ok with the Matrox.

Blow out your mplayer prefs/configs and fire it up again.
(open a term and type: rm .mplayer - delete the hidden dir)

> 
> Question 2:
> My config file is very minimal, I removed so options, which I think were Matrox 
> specific. Could some kind person mail me an example of there config file? or 
> point to a site that has examples?

There is a wonderful proggie for tweaking your NVidia - called "yanc" - 

http://yanc.sourceforge.net/index-en.html

It's beautiful!

> 
> Question 3:
> When I check in HardDrake, it identifies the card as a Geforce 2? But in 
> windows, it's a Geforce 4. Why would this be?

Keep in mind that the Hardwaredrake only reads from the text file - so
the labelling in the text file is reflected here - use "yanc" and you'll
be right.


> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Jordan
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Re: [newbie] OT's on this list

2003-01-07 Thread mike

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 04:56 am, you wrote:
> At 12:22 06/01/03 +, you wrote:
> >It was never my intention to set off such a long OT, but it is harmless. 
> > For those who find it a problem it is a simple matter to set a filter
> > that ignores such posts - correct me if I'm wrong?
>
> ...
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been on this list for 2 days. I'm a newbie to MD, trying to convert
> from Windoze - Among many other things I've not got the SM56 modem going
> yet - guess why! .
>
> However I use a dial up connection, and my access time has gone up an order
> of magnitude with downloading 500+ emails from this list in 2 days. I
> haven't looked at the percentage of OTs to 'real' stuff, but it's not at
> all helpful to newbies. There appear to be helpful hints in there but
> finding them is not easy. I wonder how many other newbies are being put off
> by the sheer volume of OT. I am certainly wondering whether continuing here
> is worthwhile - the noise to signal ratio is too high at present. I shall
> persist for a short time to see what the norm is - or even who
>
> Regards, Andy.

Maybe we can start an off topic list that people can optionally subscribe to 
then the newbie and expert lists can be more strictly policed.We could call 
it "Mandrake Off Topic"

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Re: [newbie] Gimp question

On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 8:07 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 January 2003 16:38, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Whilst installing something else, I saw what I thought was a Gimp plugin,
> > and installed it.  The menu says that it is Gimp 1.3.8.  It looks like a
> > later version of Gimp, but seems incomplete.  Certainly it doesn't see my
> > scanner, and few .jpgs preview (I think the ones that do have been open
> > in the old Gimp first, which presumably created the preview).  Opening a
> > .jpg that hasn't previewed seems to result in a chequer-board display. 
> > The documentation files are not present.
> >
> > What is this?  Is it a demo of work in hand?  It looks as though it will
> > be good when it's complete, but it's pretty useless at the  moment.  Is
> > this my install, or is it the program itself?
> >
> > Anne
>
> No, it's a bug in 1.3.8 if you take a look in the "layers pane" you can
> actually see a minature of what should be displayed. I'ts there but it's
> invisible. Native gimp files (xcf) load fine though:o)
>
> All 1.3.x versions are development versions and considered (very) unstable
> and incomplete.
> For stability stick to 1.2.x versions. Use that as the work-horse and 1.3
> for testing. Gimp 1.3.8 looks nice(r) though, =:o)
>
> Good gimping,
> HarM

I thought it must be something like that.  It certainly looks as though it 
will be nice when it gets there.  Still, the workhorse will do for now, so 
I'll uninstall the new one.

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Re: [newbie] OT's on this list

On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 9:56 am, Andy Micklethwaite wrote:
> At 12:22 06/01/03 +, you wrote:
> >It was never my intention to set off such a long OT, but it is harmless. 
> > For those who find it a problem it is a simple matter to set a filter
> > that ignores such posts - correct me if I'm wrong?
>
> ...
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been on this list for 2 days. I'm a newbie to MD, trying to convert
> from Windoze - Among many other things I've not got the SM56 modem going
> yet - guess why! .
>
> However I use a dial up connection, and my access time has gone up an order
> of magnitude with downloading 500+ emails from this list in 2 days. I
> haven't looked at the percentage of OTs to 'real' stuff, but it's not at
> all helpful to newbies. There appear to be helpful hints in there but
> finding them is not easy. I wonder how many other newbies are being put off
> by the sheer volume of OT. I am certainly wondering whether continuing here
> is worthwhile - the noise to signal ratio is too high at present. I shall
> persist for a short time to see what the norm is - or even who
>
You hit us at the wrong time, Andy.  There is usually a bit of OT, but not 
much.  This last 2 days have been most unusual.  However, things have been a 
bit quiet in the past few weeks.  The norm, without much OT, is 200 - 250 
posts a day.  

The sheer amount of info here is a bit 'can't see the wood for the trees'.  I 
suggest that you start by setting a filter (or 2) to move newbie posts 
containing words or phrases that mean they are most likely to be of interest 
to you, with the filter moving them to a newbie folder.  Delete the rest of 
the incoming stuff, for now.  You can change your setup when you are ready 
for more.

HTH

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Re: [newbie] Desktop Question

On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 02:46, Jerry wrote:
> I've noticed that a few apps' windows in mandrake don't fit on my screen
> example:  the startup screen for linuxconf.
> I've not found a way to fix this either... i think it's just an issue of the program 
>itself not drawing the window to fit on the desktop properly.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 07:49:39 -0600
> Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > My windows on KDE or GNOME are too large for the screen.  I have tried every 
>resolution setting but it does not fix the problem.  I have searched documentation 
>and still did not see a fix to this.  I am sure it is a simple setting that I am 
>overlooking but I cannot find it.  In a WinBLows system changing the resolution to a 
>higher setting fixes this problem.  But it does not on my Mandrake 9.0 machine.
> > 

Alot of this has to do with "widget size" - which is dependent on font
size. If you use, say, fonts of weight 10, a screen size of say
1024x768, everything should fit comfortably on your display (should -
SHOULD). Experimenting with font sizes and screen resolutions is the way
to find your happy medium.

I personally can't live in a world less than 1600x1200 - but then again,
I've got a huge monitor...

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Re: [newbie] update mirrors MDK 9.0

2003-01-07 Thread ivette brusselmans

Yes, I added the relative path, but when I click on update to update the 
update_source, save and quit, reopen mandrake software manager, 
update_source is not indicated.

From: "H.J.Bathoorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] update mirrors MDK 9.0
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:58:35 +

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 18:09, ivette brusselmans wrote:
> Hello
>
>
> When I try to update, I keep getting the message:
> "There was an error downloading the mirrors list:
> couldn't connect
> The network, or MandrakeSoft website, are maybe unavailable. Please try
> again later."
> I can mail and surf without problems, so it is not my network.
> I also tried to choose a mirror manually in Software Sources Manager,
> adding mirror site
> 
ftp://ftp.stealth.net/pub/mirrors/ftp.mandrake.com/Mandrake/updates/9.0/RPM
>S, but to no avail, manager didn't accept it, I get the message: "unable 
to
> update medium, it will be automatically disabled."
>
> Suggestions?

Maybe! When adding the update medium did it state ../base/hdlist.cz 
underneath
at relative path to synthesis/hdlist?
If not, add it and it should work.

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[newbie] What happened?

I installed kav (Kaspersky AntiVirus) from the Mdk cds.  I then tried to 
locate the installation.  All I can find are 4 entries like this:

/oldhome/anne/.kde/share/thumbnails/13ff/b654/cf3ae85ae3e15dfe6604afcd/60/kav4.0_linuxworkstatione.pdf

I presume that this is literally a thumbnail entry - it certainly doesn't open 
either in KGhostView or Acrobat.  I have tried 'locate' with kav and with 
kaspersky.  I simply can't find the app or the .pdf

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Re: [newbie] Personal database use

2003-01-07 Thread Milos Prudek



I want to migrate these files to linux - at present I'm using Win4Lin to 
access them.  MySQL looks over the top for a single user app, and as far as I 
can see Katabase is still in early development.  I have done a tiny bit of 
SQL work, so the idea doesn't panic me, but I wonder if it is the best 
solution.  Has anyone any comments?

PostgreSQL is excellent and fast. A graphical X window client "pgaccess" 
is available, stable and full-featured. This client works nicely for 
both local and remote connections. It definitely beats using web browser 
for database access.

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Re: [newbie] Personal database use

2003-01-07 Thread JM5379

sadly, i rather glossed over some of the details of your question
so my answer wasn't as relevant as i'd hoped.  never mind... sigh.


--- Original Message ---
From: Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Personal database use

>On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 5:45 pm, Paul wrote:
>> In reply to Anne's mail, d.d. Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:15:42 +:
>> >Thanks for the quick reply.  I get the idea that SQL is more
suited to
>> >client/server setup.  Is this correct?  How does it perform
where the
>> >database files, engine, and ui are all on one pc?
>>
>> It is amazingly fast. Even considering that the frontend is a PHP
>> application when you talk about phpMyAdmin.
>> I have some scripts going from the command line (built with
myadmin and
>> saved to disk) and that is really fast. I notice a bit of
delay happening
>> with tables that have loads of fields (> 50) and over 10,000
records
>> though. That may take 5 or 6 seconds for a normal optimised
query. (Athlon
>> 1200, 256 MB Ram and ATA100 7200 rpm disks here.)
>
>Thanks, Paul
>
>Anne
>




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Re: [newbie] New Ati drivers for linux

2003-01-07 Thread drwhat

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On Monday 06 January 2003 12:44 pm, Joan Tur wrote:
> Hallo!
>
> I've seen at Ati's website that it's made linux drivers for 8500 to 9700
> cards.  The question is: can you play with these drivers with  UT or any
> other game ported to linux?
>
> Untill now I thought that nVidia was the only option to play under linux.

humm.. there is also Matrox. They have available drivers for linux, and the 
default xfree drivers support accelerated modes nicely :)

>
> PD  I prefer Ati to nVidia; if the answer to the question above is yes I'll
> sell my Radeon 7000 and buy a brand new 9000  ;)

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Re: [newbie] Scripts in Mandrake 9.0

2003-01-07 Thread Milos Prudek



Lth wrote:

Sorry but my English isn't well.
 
I need help. I use shell /bin/bash on Mandrake 9.0.
My Linux can't do scripts... like install.sh or configure.
Yesterday I tryed to compile and install one program (name: EKG) and I 
can't.
 
What am I doing wrong?
What I should install or configure?
 
What mistakes I did in this text? :-)

You made three mistakes in this text:

a) you did not post the error message that appears when you try to run a 
script.

b) you did not provide an example showing how exactly you (try to) run a 
script.

c) you posted HTML mail instead of plain mail. Many people on email 
groups dislike HTML mail, and for a good reason.

As for your English, it is absolutely OK and everyone can understand 
what you mean.

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Re: [newbie] Personal database use

2003-01-07 Thread JM5379

Anne,

the physical location of the different components are irrelevant.
 the database (Mysql) is the server and the client (mysql cli
client, myphpadmin, perl/cgi/html webpage, whatever) is the
client.  they can easily be on the same pc or different ones; i
use them in both scenarios.  likewise the ui can be on the same
pc or a different platform completely; all you need do is direct
the connection back to mysql, whether it be a local or networked
connection.  basically the database and whatever interface you
decide on are completely separate and have only the constructed
connection between them in common.

i hope i described what i wanted to say such that it makes sense
to someoen besides me *g*.

joe

--- Original Message ---
From: Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Personal database use

>On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 5:10 pm, Paul wrote:
>> In reply to Anne's mail, d.d. Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:55:22 +:
>> >I want to migrate these files to linux - at present I'm using
Win4Lin to
>> >access them.  MySQL looks over the top for a single user app,
and as far
>> > as I can see Katabase is still in early development.  I have
done a tiny
>> > bit of SQL work, so the idea doesn't panic me, but I wonder
if it is the
>> > best solution.  Has anyone any comments?
>>
>> Hi Anne,
>>
>> I do not know Lotus Approach, but for MySQL there is a nice
web-interface
>> called phpMyAdmin which works wonderfully when you have Apache
running.
>> MyAdmin assists you in creating queries and reports. I find it
very good
>> and useable.
>>
>> You can find phpMyAdmin at
http://www.phpwizard.net/projects/phpMyAdmin/
>>
>> You do need to have MySQL up and running for this to work
though. There is
>> info on that on the Web, on the list here too. If you have a
problem
>> getting MySQL up and running I may be able to help you a bit.
I have
>> something on paper here that got me this far  :-)
>>
>Thanks for the quick reply.  I get the idea that SQL is more
suited to=20
>client/server setup.  Is this correct?  How does it perform
where the=20
>database files, engine, and ui are all on one pc?
>
>Anne
>

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Re: [newbie] apache configure for local use

2003-01-07 Thread Milos Prudek



And, I presume, apache is listed as "httpd" when you issue "ps ax".


??? apache is listed as httpd if I open localhost in Galeon


"ps ax" is a command. You need a command line window (in other words a 
console or a terminal) to issue commands. Try to start console by 
clicking the icon "computer screen with a yellow shell". See the 
attached picture of the icon.

How did you start apache?


Via Galeon
Via apachect1 start in a terminal


There is also a different way to start apache. As root, run 
"/etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start" in terminal.

Which line did you change in httpd.conf?


Don't know by heart, tried 'all options'


This is bad. Next time please write down your steps. It is difficult to 
help you otherwise.

- Do you need to login as root to browse localhost web pages?


I only get the default page and can not go any further from ther, that's the
problem I was trying to address


Well, your original question was "Can I configure Apache for multiple 
users? SO I do not need to login as root (which is pretty risc-full with 
the GUI's".

I do not know how to answer this question because it does not make sense 
to me. That's why I asked the other questions. A correct question is 
half of the answer :-)

I will try to figure out the correct question:

- apache is automatically multi-user. Anyone can browse webpages 
published by apache (unless specifically forbidden). This is similar to 
Microsoft IIS and other webservers. They also publish webpages for everyone.

- only root can start apache manually ("/etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start").

- to start apache automatically when Linux starts, the root user must 
create a symlink that points from "/etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd" to 
"/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S80httpd". You can also use a different number than 80, 
it just specifies process startup order. In other words you can create 
symlink to "/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S90httpd" if you prefer apache to start 
later. If this link exists, apache will start automatically next time 
you boot Linux.

- If you do not know how to create symlink, learn how to do it. Issue 
"man ln" and concentrate upon the "ln -s" option. It is very useful to 
understand symlinks. It will help you with many aspects of Linux. 
Symlinks are like Windows "shorcuts", only more powerful.

- If you absolutely refuse to learn symlinks, Mandrake allows you to do 
the same thing with your mouse. Start DrakConf, click System, click 
Services, and depress "On Boot" button in the httpd line.

Since this answer may be useful to other people, I posted it to Mandrake 
Newbie conference. In my opinion tt is better to keep the discussion there.

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Re: [newbie] Gimp question

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 16:38, Anne Wilson wrote:
> Whilst installing something else, I saw what I thought was a Gimp plugin,
> and installed it.  The menu says that it is Gimp 1.3.8.  It looks like a
> later version of Gimp, but seems incomplete.  Certainly it doesn't see my
> scanner, and few .jpgs preview (I think the ones that do have been open in
> the old Gimp first, which presumably created the preview).  Opening a .jpg
> that hasn't previewed seems to result in a chequer-board display.  The
> documentation files are not present.
>
> What is this?  Is it a demo of work in hand?  It looks as though it will be
> good when it's complete, but it's pretty useless at the  moment.  Is this
> my install, or is it the program itself?
>
> Anne

No, it's a bug in 1.3.8 if you take a look in the "layers pane" you can 
actually see a minature of what should be displayed. I'ts there but it's 
invisible. Native gimp files (xcf) load fine though:o)

All 1.3.x versions are development versions and considered (very) unstable and 
incomplete.
For stability stick to 1.2.x versions. Use that as the work-horse and 1.3 for 
testing. Gimp 1.3.8 looks nice(r) though, =:o)

Good gimping,
HarM

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Re: [newbie] Scripts in Mandrake 9.0

2003-01-07 Thread mycal62

Your english is fine.

in trying to run a script from the command line or console,

do you do like this :   [root@linux root]#./configure
[root@linux root]#./install.sh

the part :./ must be added before the word configure, or 
install.sh and is usually  done in root.

Hope this helps a bit Lth,  from Poland, yes?

Mike  - ( usa )

Lth wrote:

Sorry but my English isn't well.
 
I need help. I use shell /bin/bash on Mandrake 9.0.
My Linux can't do scripts... like install.sh or configure.
Yesterday I tryed to compile and install one program (name: EKG) and I 
can't.
 
What am I doing wrong?
What I should install or configure?
 
What mistakes I did in this text? :-)


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Re: [newbie] OT's on this list

2003-01-07 Thread Andy Micklethwaite

At 12:22 06/01/03 +, you wrote:
>It was never my intention to set off such a long OT, but it is harmless.  For 
>those who find it a problem it is a simple matter to set a filter that 
>ignores such posts - correct me if I'm wrong?
...

Hi,

I've been on this list for 2 days. I'm a newbie to MD, trying to convert from Windoze 
- Among many other things I've not got the SM56 modem going yet - guess why! .

However I use a dial up connection, and my access time has gone up an order of 
magnitude with downloading 500+ emails from this list in 2 days. I haven't looked at 
the percentage of OTs to 'real' stuff, but it's not at all helpful to newbies. There 
appear to be helpful hints in there but finding them is not easy. I wonder how many 
other newbies are being put off by the sheer volume of OT. I am certainly wondering 
whether continuing here is worthwhile - the noise to signal ratio is too high at 
present. I shall persist for a short time to see what the norm is - or even who

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Re: [newbie] update mirrors MDK 9.0

On Tuesday 07 January 2003 18:09, ivette brusselmans wrote:
> Hello
>
>
> When I try to update, I keep getting the message:
> "There was an error downloading the mirrors list:
> couldn't connect
> The network, or MandrakeSoft website, are maybe unavailable. Please try
> again later."
> I can mail and surf without problems, so it is not my network.
> I also tried to choose a mirror manually in Software Sources Manager,
> adding mirror site
> ftp://ftp.stealth.net/pub/mirrors/ftp.mandrake.com/Mandrake/updates/9.0/RPM
>S, but to no avail, manager didn't accept it, I get the message: "unable to
> update medium, it will be automatically disabled."
>
> Suggestions?

Maybe! When adding the update medium did it state ../base/hdlist.cz underneath 
at relative path to synthesis/hdlist?
If not, add it and it should work.

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Re: [newbie] Desktop Question

2003-01-07 Thread Derek Jennings

On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 1:49 pm, Tom wrote:
> My windows on KDE or GNOME are too large for the screen.  I have tried
> every resolution setting but it does not fix the problem.  I have searched
> documentation and still did not see a fix to this.  I am sure it is a
> simple setting that I am overlooking but I cannot find it.  In a WinBLows
> system changing the resolution to a higher setting fixes this problem.  But
> it does not on my Mandrake 9.0 machine.


In KDE  size the windows to the size of your choice, position them on the 
Desktop you prefer, and then right click on the top of the Window and select 
Store Settings


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[newbie] Scripts in Mandrake 9.0

2003-01-07 Thread Lth




Sorry but my English isn't well.
 
I need help. I use 
shell /bin/bash on Mandrake 9.0.
My Linux can't do scripts... like install.sh or 
configure.
Yesterday I tryed to compile and 
install one program (name: EKG) and I can't.
 
What am I doing wrong?
What I should install or configure?
 
What mistakes I did in this text? 
:-)

[newbie] update mirrors MDK 9.0

2003-01-07 Thread ivette brusselmans



Hello


When I try to update, I keep getting the message:
"There was an error downloading the mirrors list:
couldn't connect
The network, or MandrakeSoft website, are maybe unavailable. Please try 
again later."
I can mail and surf without problems, so it is not my network.
I also tried to choose a mirror manually in Software Sources Manager, adding 
mirror site 
ftp://ftp.stealth.net/pub/mirrors/ftp.mandrake.com/Mandrake/updates/9.0/RPMS, 
but to no avail, manager didn't accept it, I get the message: "unable to 
update medium, it will be automatically disabled."

Suggestions?

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Re: [newbie] Personal database use

On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 5:45 pm, Paul wrote:
> In reply to Anne's mail, d.d. Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:15:42 +:
> >Thanks for the quick reply.  I get the idea that SQL is more suited to
> >client/server setup.  Is this correct?  How does it perform where the
> >database files, engine, and ui are all on one pc?
>
> It is amazingly fast. Even considering that the frontend is a PHP
> application when you talk about phpMyAdmin.
> I have some scripts going from the command line (built with myadmin and
> saved to disk) and that is really fast. I notice a bit of delay happening
> with tables that have loads of fields (> 50) and over 10,000 records
> though. That may take 5 or 6 seconds for a normal optimised query. (Athlon
> 1200, 256 MB Ram and ATA100 7200 rpm disks here.)

Thanks, Paul

Anne


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Re: [newbie] Personal database use

2003-01-07 Thread Paul

In reply to Anne's mail, d.d. Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:15:42 +:

>Thanks for the quick reply.  I get the idea that SQL is more suited to 
>client/server setup.  Is this correct?  How does it perform where the 
>database files, engine, and ui are all on one pc?

It is amazingly fast. Even considering that the frontend is a PHP
application when you talk about phpMyAdmin.
I have some scripts going from the command line (built with myadmin and
saved to disk) and that is really fast. I notice a bit of delay happening
with tables that have loads of fields (> 50) and over 10,000 records though.
That may take 5 or 6 seconds for a normal optimised query. (Athlon 1200, 256
MB Ram and ATA100 7200 rpm disks here.)

Paul

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Re: [newbie] MOUSE normal speed

2003-01-07 Thread Charlie

On January 6, 2003 11:56 pm, Russ wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I use a trackball and I have to roll it quite a bit to get it to go
> anywhere. This is not an acceleration problem. It is too slow for the
> normal movement. I go to MCC and alter the mouse to "Microsoft Explorer"
> mouse and it scoots along like I want it to, but when I log out and log
> back in the setting is gone and I'm back to the turtle.
>
> How do I get my setting to stick?
>
> Thanks
> Russ

Ya know Russ I had a very similar problem with my Logitech marble and couldn't 
find a solution anywhere. I changed, and fiddled with, every mouse setting in 
the Mandrake Control Center, the KDE Control Center, ran mousedrake to see if 
I could find anything relevant there, checked the conf files, literally 
*everything.* No joy. During the same time frame I installed release 
candidate 2 of Mandrake 9. As with your mouse troubles, changing the settings 
livened up the mouse temporarily but it never seemed to hold. 

Then I cleaned the ball and the lens. Especially the lens. That fixed the 
problem with the dragging cursor stumbling across the screen. The settings 
for my Logitech are still set to generic and it doesn't seem to matter.

HTH

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Re: [newbie] Personal database use

On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 5:10 pm, Paul wrote:
> In reply to Anne's mail, d.d. Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:55:22 +:
> >I want to migrate these files to linux - at present I'm using Win4Lin to
> >access them.  MySQL looks over the top for a single user app, and as far
> > as I can see Katabase is still in early development.  I have done a tiny
> > bit of SQL work, so the idea doesn't panic me, but I wonder if it is the
> > best solution.  Has anyone any comments?
>
> Hi Anne,
>
> I do not know Lotus Approach, but for MySQL there is a nice web-interface
> called phpMyAdmin which works wonderfully when you have Apache running.
> MyAdmin assists you in creating queries and reports. I find it very good
> and useable.
>
> You can find phpMyAdmin at http://www.phpwizard.net/projects/phpMyAdmin/
>
> You do need to have MySQL up and running for this to work though. There is
> info on that on the Web, on the list here too. If you have a problem
> getting MySQL up and running I may be able to help you a bit. I have
> something on paper here that got me this far  :-)
>
Thanks for the quick reply.  I get the idea that SQL is more suited to 
client/server setup.  Is this correct?  How does it perform where the 
database files, engine, and ui are all on one pc?

Anne


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Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]

2003-01-07 Thread Keith

Read/study HISTORY...
Appeasement NEVER works long term.
Take a look at civilizations that have survived over 200 years.  The few have 
freedom.  BUT freedom does not mean license to be irresponsible or evil, that 
type of "freedom" is called bondage.

> What if along with that one "terrorist" supporter, your tax money destroys 
> innocent civilians and creates 200 other "terrorist" supporters. Would you 
> consider your money well spent then?


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Re: [newbie] Personal database use

2003-01-07 Thread Paul

In reply to Anne's mail, d.d. Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:55:22 +:

>I want to migrate these files to linux - at present I'm using Win4Lin to 
>access them.  MySQL looks over the top for a single user app, and as far as
>I can see Katabase is still in early development.  I have done a tiny bit
>of SQL work, so the idea doesn't panic me, but I wonder if it is the best 
>solution.  Has anyone any comments?

Hi Anne,

I do not know Lotus Approach, but for MySQL there is a nice web-interface
called phpMyAdmin which works wonderfully when you have Apache running.
MyAdmin assists you in creating queries and reports. I find it very good and
useable.

You can find phpMyAdmin at http://www.phpwizard.net/projects/phpMyAdmin/

You do need to have MySQL up and running for this to work though. There is
info on that on the Web, on the list here too. If you have a problem getting
MySQL up and running I may be able to help you a bit. I have something on
paper here that got me this far  :-)

Good luck,
Paul

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[newbie] Personal database use

I have a large quantity of data collected over a long time in Lotus Approach 
databases.  These are in many respects like Access, I think, with Lotus 
Approach supplying the front-end, relational engine, forms designer and query 
tools which act on .dbf database tables.  I have opened one of the tables 
successfully in StarCalc, so I know they are readable.

I want to migrate these files to linux - at present I'm using Win4Lin to 
access them.  MySQL looks over the top for a single user app, and as far as I 
can see Katabase is still in early development.  I have done a tiny bit of 
SQL work, so the idea doesn't panic me, but I wonder if it is the best 
solution.  Has anyone any comments?

Anne


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[newbie] Gimp question

Whilst installing something else, I saw what I thought was a Gimp plugin, and 
installed it.  The menu says that it is Gimp 1.3.8.  It looks like a later 
version of Gimp, but seems incomplete.  Certainly it doesn't see my scanner, 
and few .jpgs preview (I think the ones that do have been open in the old 
Gimp first, which presumably created the preview).  Opening a .jpg that 
hasn't previewed seems to result in a chequer-board display.  The 
documentation files are not present.

What is this?  Is it a demo of work in hand?  It looks as though it will be 
good when it's complete, but it's pretty useless at the  moment.  Is this my 
install, or is it the program itself?

Anne


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