RE: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems

[Nathan Coad]

It's not the router that's the problem.  All the other (admittedly
windows) computers work fine, get ip addresses, resolve dns names, etc.

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Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 4:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems

On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:06 am, Nathan Coad wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’ve just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows
> 2000.  My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan
(realtek
> chipset RTL8101L).  Mandrake works fine with everything except for
LAN.
> I have a link light on the rj45 socket, so everything seems alright
> there.
> Where my problem is, is with pinging (or anything else) else computers
> on my network.  We have a home network with a dlink router running
dhcp,
> and a win2k server running dns.
> I initially set networking settings under mandrake to dhcp, but no ip
> address was assigned.  Instead, on startup, eth0 assigned itself an ip
> address in the 192.168 (I think) range, instead of the 10.0.0.0 range
> setup on the network.
> I’ve tried dhcp or static ip addressing, but no luck.  I’ve been using
> the netconf utility under kde
> Has anyone else had the same problems, or perhaps have some
suggestions
> as to what to do?
> My /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 currently is:
>
> DEVICE="eth0"
> BOOTPROTO="static"
> BROADCAST="10.98.230.255"
> IPADDR="10.98.230.5"
> NETMASK="255.255.255.0"
> ONBOOT="yes"
> MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes
> IPXNETNUM_802_2=""
> IPXPRIMARY_802_2="no"
> IPXACTIVE_802_2="no"
> IPXNETNUM_802_3=""
> IPXPRIMARY_802_3="no"
> IPXACTIVE_802_3="no"
> IPXNETNUM_ETHERII=""
> IPXPRIMARY_ETHERII="no"
> IPXACTIVE_ETHERII="no"
> IPXNETNUM_SNAP=""
> IPXPRIMARY_SNAP="no"
> IPXACTIVE_SNAP="no"
>
> I really don’t know where all those ipx settings came from – I don’t
use
> IPX.
>
> Anyways, thanks in advance,
> Nathan

DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink
router 
and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp
LAN.
I'm using DHCP here and it works fine.

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Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:06 am, Nathan Coad wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’ve just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows
> 2000.  My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan (realtek
> chipset RTL8101L).  Mandrake works fine with everything except for LAN.
> I have a link light on the rj45 socket, so everything seems alright
> there.
> Where my problem is, is with pinging (or anything else) else computers
> on my network.  We have a home network with a dlink router running dhcp,
> and a win2k server running dns.
> I initially set networking settings under mandrake to dhcp, but no ip
> address was assigned.  Instead, on startup, eth0 assigned itself an ip
> address in the 192.168 (I think) range, instead of the 10.0.0.0 range
> setup on the network.
> I’ve tried dhcp or static ip addressing, but no luck.  I’ve been using
> the netconf utility under kde
> Has anyone else had the same problems, or perhaps have some suggestions
> as to what to do?
> My /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 currently is:
>
> DEVICE="eth0"
> BOOTPROTO="static"
> BROADCAST="10.98.230.255"
> IPADDR="10.98.230.5"
> NETMASK="255.255.255.0"
> ONBOOT="yes"
> MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes
> IPXNETNUM_802_2=""
> IPXPRIMARY_802_2="no"
> IPXACTIVE_802_2="no"
> IPXNETNUM_802_3=""
> IPXPRIMARY_802_3="no"
> IPXACTIVE_802_3="no"
> IPXNETNUM_ETHERII=""
> IPXPRIMARY_ETHERII="no"
> IPXACTIVE_ETHERII="no"
> IPXNETNUM_SNAP=""
> IPXPRIMARY_SNAP="no"
> IPXACTIVE_SNAP="no"
>
> I really don’t know where all those ipx settings came from – I don’t use
> IPX.
>
> Anyways, thanks in advance,
> Nathan

DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink router 
and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp LAN.
I'm using DHCP here and it works fine.

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[newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems

[Nathan Coad]

Hi all,

 

I’ve just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system
with windows 2000.  My motherboard is a
Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan
(realtek chipset RTL8101L).  Mandrake works fine with everything except
for LAN.  I have a link light on the rj45
socket, so everything seems alright there.

Where my problem is, is with pinging (or anything else) else
computers on my network.  We have a home
network with a dlink router running dhcp, and a win2k server running dns.  

I initially set networking settings under mandrake to dhcp, but no ip address was
assigned.  Instead, on startup, eth0
assigned itself an ip address in the 192.168 (I think)
range, instead of the 10.0.0.0 range setup on the network.

I’ve tried dhcp or static ip addressing, but no luck. 
I’ve been using the netconf utility
under kde

Has anyone else had the same problems, or perhaps have some
suggestions as to what to do?

My /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 currently is:

 

DEVICE="eth0"

BOOTPROTO="static"

BROADCAST="10.98.230.255"

IPADDR="10.98.230.5"

NETMASK="255.255.255.0"

>

MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes

IPXNETNUM_802_2=""

IPXPRIMARY_802_2="no"

IPXACTIVE_802_2="no"

IPXNETNUM_802_3=""

IPXPRIMARY_802_3="no"

IPXACTIVE_802_3="no"

IPXNETNUM_ETHERII=""

IPXPRIMARY_ETHERII="no"

IPXACTIVE_ETHERII="no"

IPXNETNUM_SNAP=""

IPXPRIMARY_SNAP="no"

IPXACTIVE_SNAP="no"

 

I really don’t know where all those ipx settings came from – I don’t use IPX.

 

Anyways, thanks in advance,

Nathan

Re: [newbie] Microshot in the foot ?

[Harv Nelson]

Where I used to work, we refered to the Windows/Outlook combo as the 
"VTP" ... Virus Transport Protocol.

Harv

Kaj Haulrich wrote:

Recently we had a discussion on virus (pluralis : vira).

Now, returning from a non-networked-one-week-a-time job I 
browsed my *usual suspects* and learned that Micro$oft had 
purchased RAV, a Romanian Antivirus Company. Accordingly, M$ 
would discontinue the antivirus capabilities for Linux.

Although vira aren't relevant for Linux-users, it seems that 
RAV made a business out of providing numerous mailservers with 
a virus-filtering tool. In fact : probably the best antivirus 
toolkit ever.

Considering that about 30-40 % of all mailservers runs Linux 
and can be presumed to filter out vira nearly 100 %,  the 
shutdown of these capabilities would increase the virus-load 
to about 60-70 % on those unhappy Windows users.

In short : Is Windows a virus ?

Kaj Haulrich.
 



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Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid

[revolt]

Ralph Bagwell wrote:

I am still embarrassed to post because you "newbies" seem light years 
ahead of me - oh well.
 
I downloaded and installed with zero problems "amsn" a messenger 
program very like Windows Messenger. I actually swapped a few lines 
with a friend. I closed Konqueror and promptly my "chat" window went 
away. Now I don't know how to start messenger program again. A new msn 
subdirectory is now present but I can't find an exe file anywhere to 
start the messenger program .
 
Please tell me how to run the program and put an icon on the desktop - 
thanks - from a real newbie.
 
I use a program called gaim to chat with people on MSN, it comes with 
MDK9.1 but i found it easier to install a newer version that had the msn 
plug-in installed (rather than mess around with the version that comes 
with mandrake 9.1).

make sure you have urpmi set up properly with texstar as a source, this 
page can help with that: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php

then (as root) type into a console: urpmi gaim

then (using the updated version of gaim you will find under 
networking/instant messaging in the kde menu) it is pretty fool proof to 
set up an account and chat with people on MSN (click on accounts, select 
add, choose msn as protocol, put in a user name and password, and viola!)

To get the icon on the desktop in KDE click 'n drag gaim from instant 
messaginge menu to the desktop. When given the option choose "link here".

From one newb to another, hope this helps. Joe.



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Re: [newbie] help! MLDONKEY makes my system crash!

[revolt]

Ralph Slooten wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:13:26 +0800
Xuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

I want to find something to replace the win32 eMule. At first I tried 
lmule, which is so vulnerable  and unstable that it crashed and made 
core dump files so often. Then I found mldonkey , I downloaded the 
source code and compiled it as what its homepage told me to do.
After 'make install', I run it by using 'mldonkey', it looks fine and 
the mldonkey-gui works fine too. But sometime later( sometime means 1 
hour, or 5 minutes ), the system crashed. Even keyboard and mouse made 
no response, and the CapsLock and ScrollLock blinked.
   

no need to compile just go here: 
http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/mldonkey/release-2.5-3/official/

get the static binary for your architecture, static binaries work on 
most all systems and usually the stable releases are quite stable (run 
for weeks on my old p100 without problems)
You might also find it usefull to replace the servers.ini with this one: 
ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/mldonkey/pango/goodies/servers.ini.gz because I 
found that the one that came with it had too many (poor) servers in it 
which made it hard to connect to good ones.

If you were compiling mldonkey from CVS chances are it wasn't a very 
stable release.


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Re: [newbie] "updatedb" crashes and resets my comp.!!!

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Friday 13 June 2003 07:27 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 00:04, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> > > * Check the size of your SWAP
> >
> > Now here's an odd one - df and kdisk neither one show a swap? Is there
> > some trick to seeing it? (IIRC it always showed up before)
>
> fdisk -l
>
> (fdisk list partition)

Yes, that does work, thanks. I do have a swap. :-)

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Re: [newbie] "updatedb" crashes and resets my comp.!!!

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Friday 13 June 2003 07:52 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:

> Or : if you are a little concerned about using fdisk ( I am )
> you can just ( from a terminal ) type *top*. Then, at the top
> of the screen swap usage is displayed ( an updated ) every now
> and then. To get out of *top* just press *q*.
>
> HTH
> Kaj Haulrich.

That works, and "free -m" as suggested by Tom Brinkman works also.

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RE: [newbie] Microshot in the foot ?

[walt]

I noticed when downloading the windows demo version of this antivirus
software,it was 12.1 meg but the linux version was only 2.9 megs. I
installed RAV on my windows partition but am not sure if I need the linux
version on my linux computers. 

Walt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaj Haulrich
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Recently we had a discussion on virus (pluralis : vira).

Now, returning from a non-networked-one-week-a-time job I 
browsed my *usual suspects* and learned that Micro$oft had 
purchased RAV, a Romanian Antivirus Company. Accordingly, M$ 
would discontinue the antivirus capabilities for Linux.

Although vira aren't relevant for Linux-users, it seems that 
RAV made a business out of providing numerous mailservers with 
a virus-filtering tool. In fact : probably the best antivirus 
toolkit ever.

Considering that about 30-40 % of all mailservers runs Linux 
and can be presumed to filter out vira nearly 100 %,  the 
shutdown of these capabilities would increase the virus-load 
to about 60-70 % on those unhappy Windows users.

In short : Is Windows a virus ?

Kaj Haulrich.
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Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.1 user manuals are available

[eric huff]

I actually installed them with the mandrake control center gui installer 
from a "main" mirror.

I'm bad with names, so i'm not sure if you need this info or not, but 
someone will:

The best way (for me) to add a source for installs is to go here

http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php

and do what it says to add sources.

Then, in the installer (mandrake control centter-->software-->install) 
search for mandrake.

eric

> Thats nice
> You maybe have the web-address please
> Thanks
> Johan
>
> > For anyone interested in the downloadable manuals, i just stumbled on
> > them rpm'ing.
> >
> > mandrake_doc-en
> > Version: 9.1-2mdk
> > Size: 18715 KB
> > Source: main
> > Currently installed version: (none)


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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[eric huff]

> > Can you explain a bit more how this helps with backups?  This seems
> > interesting
>
> OK, here goes ... suppose you have a backup directory somewhere,



> I'm not sure that qualifies as a "bit more" though  ;-)

 :)   Thanks for the run down!  I got the jist of it.  When i'm ready for 
it, i'll pour over it.  I do plan to get a little file server running 
here...

Thanks!
eric

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Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link? hijacked to apropos

[eric huff]

On Fri June 13 2003 09:38 am, David E Fox wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] huff]$ apropos ln
> > inet_lnaof [inet](3)  - Internet address manipulation routines
> > isalnum [isalpha](3)  - character classification routines
> > iswalnum (3)  - test for alphanumeric wide character
>
> My guess - as I was looking things up here - no ln(1) man
> page. Aproopos is built from lines in man pages, ergo apropos
> doesn't come up with anything remotely related.
>
> $ man ln
>
> here says no manual entry for ln. This is from a somewhat
> restored cooker from a 9.0 install and there may be all sorts
> of missing bits but the other manual pages are there (or
> at least lots of them) and manpath is set.

But i do have a man ln, and it has "lin"k in the desc.
(no apropos for links, either)

NAME
   ln - make links between files

Oh well

eric



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[newbie] Sound Blaster Live! MIDI input/output under Mandrake 9.1

[The Other]

06/13/03

Hello All,

Since I'm not having any luck locating drivers for my Midiman, Winman 
4x4/s MIDI ISA interface card, I'll looking into going back to the 
single MIDI input/output cable coming off the joystick port of my SB 
LIve! Value card.

My Roland Sound Expansion MIDI modules will allow MIDI passthrough, so 
the single MIDI in/out from the SB Live! card should be able to drive 
2 Roland MIDI modules.

Anyone have experience using the SB Live! MIDI in/out port?

If so, how did you set it up in various software programs.  I'm using 
KDE 3.1 and its associated sound applications.  Is there a 
configuration file I should be aware of?   I've not learned about 
config files under Linux yet.  A tutorial on how to get MIDI through 
a MIDI port working would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
The Other

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[newbie] Mandrake 9.1 and Myriad's Harmony Assistant (Windows Version) Anyone Using????

[The Other]

06/13/03

Hello All,

Anyone running Myriad's program Harmony Assistant under Mandrake 9.1?

I would expect some Windows Emulation program is necessary.  I'm 
looking into Wine.  I have a Sound Blaster Live! Value sound card.

Anyone with experience in this setup?

Thank you,
The Other

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Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.1 user manuals are available

[Johan Scheepers]

Thats nice
You maybe have the web-address please
Thanks
Johan

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: [newbie] mandrake 9.1 user manuals are available


> For anyone interested in the downloadable manuals, i just stumbled on them
> rpm'ing.
>
> mandrake_doc-en
> Version: 9.1-2mdk
> Size: 18715 KB
> Source: main
> Currently installed version: (none)
>
> eric
>
>






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RE: [newbie] VPN client

[Adolf, Michael F]

To close the loop:
I found Linux VPN client software from Netlock http://www.netlock.com that
works with Nortel VPN switches. 

mike

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From: Adolf, Michael F 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:30 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [newbie] VPN client


Greetings,
Does anyone know if the MDK 9.1 kernel contains FreeS/WAN?  I read somewhere
on the FreeS/WAN site that it did, but could not find any other information.
I need my machine to be VPN client.

mike


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Re: [newbie] "updatedb" crashes and resets my comp.!!!

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Friday 13 June 2003 01:21 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:

>Neither df or any GUI for it will show swap because /swap has no
> file system. 'fdisk -l' (as root that's a lower case L), or
> 'free -m' (as user) will show your swap partition.  Sometimes it's
> useful to clear the swap.  As root,
>
>   swapoff -a  and then
>   swapon -a
>
>   'free -m' should then show total swap size with -0- used. If for
> some reason you have no /swap partition, there's a how-to for
> creating a swap file.  Not as efficient as a /swap partition tho.

Thanks Tom, was wondering about that. I did what you recommended. :-)

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Re: [newbie] Still No SCSI Emulation ??

[Langsley T Russell]

Hi again John.

You asked:

What is the output of this command:
ls -l /etc/lilo.conf

It should say this to be correct:
-rw-r--r--    1 root root  864 May 19 15:34 /etc/lilo.conf

I entered the command and got the output you said would be correct except that the date is different. 

You then said:

If it doesn't, then try doing the chmod a-rwx /etc/lilo.conf and chmod +rw /etc/lilo.conf
They should be done as root, and if done correctly,
you will get no output at all.


HTH,
John Drouhard

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Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 4:58 pm, eric huff wrote:
> Mine is broken somehow.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] huff]$ apropos ln
> inet_lnaof [inet](3)  - Internet address manipulation routines
> isalnum [isalpha](3)  - character classification routines
> iswalnum (3)  - test for alphanumeric wide character
>
> It's not a big deal, just strange mostly.
>
Another useful snippet - but it's harder to read than apropos

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 7:54 pm, Jan Wilson wrote:
> * Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030613 11:12]:
> > I should add that the properties of the Graphics link show me as
> > owner and group as user, while the properties of the OldHome link
> > show root for both.  I created them immediately consecutively, so
> > there should be not difference in what I was doing.  This is what
> > happened:
>
> Right.  Since you are the owner of the directory and the link, you
> can change the group.  You can't really change the owner, but since
> you were assigning yourself as owner, it didn't object.
>
But it looks as though root owns the link to OldHome.  At least that's 
what is shown in the properties box in kde.

> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ chown anne OldHome
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ chgrp users Oldhome
> > chgrp: failed to get attributes of `Oldhome': No such file or
> > directory
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ whoami
> > anne
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ ls -l Gr*
> > lrwxrwxrwx1 anne users   9 Jun 13 13:55 Graphics
> > -> /Graphics/
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ ls -l Old*
> > lrwxrwxrwx1 anne users  13 Jun 13 13:57 OldHome
> > -> /mnt/OldHome/  /
>
So is this actually giving me the details of the link OldHome, or the 
directory /mnt/OldHome?

> It allowed you to change the group of the LINK, not the
> /mnt/OldHome directory that the symlink links to.  Notice who owns
> /mnt ... root, right?  Probably with these permissions:
>
> drwxr-xr-x  ??  root  root  ??  mnt/
>
> So nobody except root can mess with the /mnt directory.
>
All I wanted to do was change the icon on the link.  I wasn't trying 
to do anything to the directory.

> The reason the default permissions for a symlink are
>
> lrwxrwxrwx  is that they don't really matter much.  It is only a
> pointer to a file or directory; the ownership on the target file or
> directory is what determines who can do what.

I do appreciate your patience in trying to explain to me.  I'm really 
confused.

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 5:32 pm, David E Fox wrote:
> Usually, yes. Windows doesn't make a distinction, mostly because it
> has no concept of links. A link (in Unix) is another alternate name
> for the same file (or inode). Directory entries basically have two
> components - a name and an inode. Actually there are other entries
> as well, but for simplicity's sake we can ignore them for the time
> being.
>


Thanks for the clarification.  I'll keep that to refresh my memory.

> It seems you are attempting to make a file that points to
> itself. In what directory are you trying this? Sometimes you need
> the extra 'f' to force (ln -sf) the linking. I've usually learned
> to automatically get my fingers to type 'ln -sf' when I want to
> link a file. And I think you have the source and destination
> reversed - that may be the cause of the confusion.
>
It seeme that the book that I paid £30 for gave me the wrong 
instructions!  It said ln -s linkname fullpath.  Thanks to others on 
the list I've got it sorted now.

> Since you mention icons, is this a kde 'shortcut' When you click
> on Graphics, is the intent to bring up the Graphics subdirectory?
> If so, an easier thing is to create a new Link to URL by right
> clicking on the desktop. Then you can name the file "Graphics" and
> make the URL 'file:///graphics" for instance. And if you click you
> get a window directory listing from konqueror.
>
This is what I had done earlier.  However, if you do that, the ls from 
a console, it doesn't appear to be a soft link, which is why I felt I 
should change it.

Anne


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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[Jan Wilson]

* Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030613 11:12]:
> I should add that the properties of the Graphics link show me as owner 
> and group as user, while the properties of the OldHome link show root 
> for both.  I created them immediately consecutively, so there should 
> be not difference in what I was doing.  This is what happened:

Right.  Since you are the owner of the directory and the link, you can
change the group.  You can't really change the owner, but since you
were assigning yourself as owner, it didn't object.

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ chown anne OldHome
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ chgrp users Oldhome
> chgrp: failed to get attributes of `Oldhome': No such file or 
> directory
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ whoami
> anne
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ ls -l Gr*
> lrwxrwxrwx1 anne users   9 Jun 13 13:55 Graphics -> 
> /Graphics/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ ls -l Old*
> lrwxrwxrwx1 anne users  13 Jun 13 13:57 OldHome -> 
> /mnt/OldHome/  /

It allowed you to change the group of the LINK, not the /mnt/OldHome
directory that the symlink links to.  Notice who owns /mnt ... root,
right?  Probably with these permissions:

drwxr-xr-x  ??  root  root  ??  mnt/

So nobody except root can mess with the /mnt directory.

The reason the default permissions for a symlink are

lrwxrwxrwx  is that they don't really matter much.  It is only a
pointer to a file or directory; the ownership on the target file or
directory is what determines who can do what.

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Re: [newbie] Still No SCSI Emulation ??

[John Drouhard]

On 12 Jun 2003 15:46:05 -0500
Langsley T Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 13:18, John Richard Smith wrote:
> 
> > If I were you I'd go to MCC and alter grub to lilo graphical and do as
> > listed here(as root)
> 
> Well I did as you recommended and switched to lilo graphical as my boot
> loader. I rebooted to make sure the changes I made took effect and that
> it works, which it does. 
> 
> Now when I open a terminal as root, and type in /etc/lilo.conf
> permission is denied to /etc/lilo.conf. If root doesn't have permission
> how can I do anything with the file? What must I do to get permission to
> edit this file?

What is the output of this command:
ls -l /etc/lilo.conf

It should say this to be correct:
-rw-r--r--1 root root  864 May 19 15:34 /etc/lilo.conf

If it doesn't, then try doing the chmod a-rwx /etc/lilo.conf and chmod +rw 
/etc/lilo.conf
They should be done as root, and if done correctly,
you will get no output at all.


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Re: [newbie] OK so where has it gone?

[Charlie]

quoting Inhabitant of Zion's missive of Friday 13 June 2003 09:20 am:
> Hi
>
> Here is my sad sorry story of woe...
>
> HDD failed oon my system yesterday.
>
> Took everything with it.
>
> Managed to rescue most stuff but not xine.
>
> I had a copy of xine-lib-1-0.beta12.4mdk but its been lost and now I can't
> find this rpm anywhere.
>
> Its listed in the cooker sources but when you try to get a mirror up to
> download it the thing has disappeared.
>
> Anybody got a copy, know where I can download a copy or know why its been
> removed?
>
> Cheers in advance
>
> John
http://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/plf/9.1/i586/
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Re: [newbie] Kmail - when I upgrade?

[Greg Meyer]

On Friday 13 June 2003 07:26 am, Jon Vahlberg wrote:
>
> At this stage I am quite happy with Mandrake v9.0. However at some stage I
> will go to Mandrake v9.1. Usually when I do I save the files I want and
> then do a re-install (rather than upgrade). SInce I have just started to
> use Kmail what's the best way of migrating the folders across (when I do
> make the move)?
>
The config settings for kmail are kept in the ~/.kde directory, but the 
messages themselves are kept in the ~/Mail directory.  For compatibility 
reasons, you may have to let the KDE in 9.1 set up its own ~/.kde directory, 
but if you don't touch ~/Mail, you won't lose your messages.  If your home is 
on a seperate partition, just don't format it when you do the install.  If it 
is on the same partition as the system, just back up .kde and Mail and 
anything else you want to carry over.

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Re: [newbie] D4X Compile

[John Richard Smith]

Tony S. Sykes wrote:

You can do it from mcc as well. Just choose the remove option. I know you can force it not to remove anything else other than the gtk 2 in urpmi but I am not sure if this will cause any problems (somebody else from the list may be able to answer that). Where are you in uk? It might be easier if I send you a CD with all the MDK 9.1 updates on.

-Original Message-
From: John Richard Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] D4X Compile
Tony S. Sykes wrote:

 

Would it not be easier to urpme the gtk and then urpmi the gtk
specifying the newer version in the command line?
Tony.

-Original Message-
From: John Richard Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] D4X Compile
Charles A Edwards wrote:



   

On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:07:25 +0100
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  

 

what should I do then,
a urpmi , or better still where can I download pucka version with my
d4x on M9.0
 



   

Have you tried rebuilding d4x Since you did the --force install of gtk?

Hell, if it comes to it I can send you the rpm I built.
It's only 1MB.
 Charles



  

 

Indeed I have Charles, same gtk error.

but it's those gkt libraries  libgtk+2.0_0and  2:gtk+2.0  

that are the problem here ?
I just need a good copy of these I think , that is what those low % 
figures were saying ?
How big are they ?



John  

   

Tony,

Well I think that isn't going to be easy. see here,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# urpme gtk+2.0
To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be removed 
(152 MB):
drakconf-9.1-13.1mdk
drakcronat-0.1.3-1mdk
drakfirsttime-0.91-12mdk
drakxtools-9.1-31.3mdk
eog-2.2.0-1mdk
file-roller-2.2.1-1mdk
gail-1.2.0-1mdk
galeon-1.3.3-2.1mdk
gdm-2.4.1.3-5mdk
gedit-2.2.0.1-1mdk
gnome-applets-2.2.0-2mdk
gnome-control-center-2.2.0.1-2mdk
gnome-desktop-2.2.0.1-2mdk
gnome-games-2.2.0-2mdk
gnome-media-2.2.1.1-1mdk
gnome-panel-2.2.0.1-6mdk
gnome-python-1.99.15-1mdk
gnome-python-bonobo-1.99.15-1mdk
gnome-python-canvas-1.99.15-1mdk
gnome-session-2.2.0.2-2mdk
gnome-system-monitor-2.0.4-4mdk
gnome-telnet-2.4-4mdk
gnome-terminal-2.2.1-1mdk
gnome-themes-2.2-2mdk
gnome-utils-2.2.0.3-1mdk
gnome2-2.2.0-1mdk
gnomeicu-0.98.126-2mdk
gphoto-0.4.3-17mdk
gramps-0.9.0-2mdk
gtk+2.0-2.2.1-2mdk
gtk-engines2-2.2.0-2mdk
gtkam-0.1.10-2mdk
harddrake-ui-9.1-31.3mdk
libbonoboui-2.2.0-1mdk
libbonoboui2_0-2.2.0-1mdk
libeel2_2-2.2.1-1mdk
libexif-gtk4-0.3.3-2mdk
libexif-gtk4-devel-0.3.3-2mdk
libgail17-1.2.0-1mdk
libgdkcardimage0-2.2.0-2mdk
libgnome-desktop-2_2-2.2.0.1-2mdk
libgnomecanvas2_0-2.2.0.1-1mdk
libgnomeprintui2-2_0-2.2.1.1-1mdk
libgnomeui2-2.2.0.1-2mdk
libgnomeui2_0-2.2.0.1-2mdk
libgtk+2.0_0-2.2.1-2mdk
libgtk+2.0_0-devel-2.2.1-2mdk
libgtkhtml2_0-2.2.0-2mdk
libnautilus2-2.2.1-5mdk
libpanel-applet-2_0-2.2.0.1-6mdk
mdkonline-0.91-2mdk
mozilla-1.3.1-4.1mdk
mozilla-mail-1.3.1-4.1mdk
mrproject-0.9-1mdk
nautilus-2.2.1-5mdk
nautilus-gtkhtml-0.3.2-5mdk
perl-GTK2-0.0.cvs.2003.03.04.1-2mdk
perl-GTK2-devel-0.0.cvs.2003.03.04.1-2mdk
rfbdrake-0.9.1-11.1mdk
rpmdrake-2.1-15.1mdk
screem-0.6.0-1mdk
yelp-2.2.0-2mdk
Is this OK? (Y/n)

note the 152 MB in all,
and while while it may be safe to remove , I'm extremely reluctant to 
sanction it , not knowing what I am doing at all.
Since it wants to remove so much you can bet your bottom dollar it will 
want to reinstall something like as many packages, and under plain urpmi 
, there don't seem to be any resume facilities , which means when I get 
cut off by my ISP,  thats it,  start again.

If I could use MCC update at least each updated package gets ticked off 
and when I manually restart the process it at leasts restarts at the 
beginning of the last package it was updating, tiresome but achievable, 
whereas plain urpmi makes you start all over again, at least it did for 
me last time I tried it, I don't pretend to know and understand these 
urpmi stuff well.

Cann't I simply urpmi libgtk+2.0_0,urpmi gtk+2.0
and won't it simply overwrite the existing installs.
John
 

Which remove option should I elect to use in MCC ?

I still haven't figured it all out yet, if I choose main, is seems to 
inply the lot, but surely the others don't have the required libraries, 
but in any case I've only just none this recently about 1 1/2 days ago. 
I remobed the lot from the list and updated the , what's it called, 
headlist? whatever , and then downloaded the updates, so I'm up todate 
as far as MCC thinks it should be .

Still confused,

John

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Re: Re[5]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

[Tom Brinkman]

On Thursday June 12 2003 01:27 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:54:10 -0500
>
> Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > 'kill -9' all the relevant pid's.   (alias wpid='ps aux |
> > grep')
>
> or my favourite, kill `pidof "appname"`... you gotta do it as
> root, but it will kill all instances of the app without you
> having to do all the PIDs. the "backticks" are the non-shift ~.

Thanks Joe, I had forgot about pidof, but you reminded me why I 
long ago made the wpid alias to begin with so I could kill my 
user processes as user.  You can get into trouble if you kill some 
processes as root ;)
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Re: [newbie] "updatedb" crashes and resets my comp.!!!

[Tom Brinkman]

On Friday June 13 2003 09:04 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> Now here's an odd one - df and kdisk neither one show a swap? Is
> there some trick to seeing it? (IIRC it always showed up before)

   Neither df or any GUI for it will show swap because /swap has no 
file system. 'fdisk -l' (as root that's a lower case L), or 
'free -m' (as user) will show your swap partition.  Sometimes it's 
useful to clear the swap.  As root,

  swapoff -a  and then
  swapon -a

  'free -m' should then show total swap size with -0- used. If for 
some reason you have no /swap partition, there's a how-to for 
creating a swap file.  Not as efficient as a /swap partition tho.
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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Friday 13 June 2003 08:41 am, Technoslick wrote:
>
> Reminds me of my MS-DOS days, back in the late '80s when I was using
> PKZIP at the command line level. It took me a while to remember that you
> place the name of the archive you are creating before the name of the
> files you are placing in the archive. Seemed backward to me then.
>
> Hmmm...wanna bet the authors/founders of PKZIP/PKWARE were *nix users?
> ;0]
>
> T

T:
Or CP/M, where copying was done with: pip destination source. Caused me to 
mess up a lot of stuff back when I was MS-DOS by day, and CP/M on my own 
time.
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Re: [newbie] Start up: hijacked to sigs

[Tom Brinkman]

On Thursday June 12 2003 11:30 pm, eric huff wrote:
> Somebody had added text below a sig, so when somebody else
> replied, kmail stripped the sig and all below it in the reply.

I believe I replied to that post myself. When I clicked on 
Kmail's reply, the mesg wasn't quoted. I saw the problem right 
away, discarded that reply, and then hi-lited the text, then 
clicked reply. NBFD.

   And Charles as always is correct. I had forgotten the internet 
standard is 'dash, dash, space' proceeding a sig.  My only defense 
is Kmail does it correctly for me ;)
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Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?

[David E Fox]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] huff]$ apropos ln
> inet_lnaof [inet](3)  - Internet address manipulation routines
> isalnum [isalpha](3)  - character classification routines
> iswalnum (3)  - test for alphanumeric wide character

My guess - as I was looking things up here - no ln(1) man
page. Aproopos is built from lines in man pages, ergo apropos 
doesn't come up with anything remotely related.

$ man ln

here says no manual entry for ln. This is from a somewhat 
restored cooker from a 9.0 install and there may be all sorts
of missing bits but the other manual pages are there (or 
at least lots of them) and manpath is set.

> eric

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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[David E Fox]

> I have just realised that if yoiu use kde's 'create a link here', you 
> get a hard link.  Now I may have completely misunderstood the whole 
> theory, but I thought that when you want to make what windows calls a 
> shortcut, you really want a soft link?

Usually, yes. Windows doesn't make a distinction, mostly because it
has no concept of links. A link (in Unix) is another alternate name
for the same file (or inode). Directory entries basically have two
components - a name and an inode. Actually there are other entries as
well, but for simplicity's sake we can ignore them for the time being.

Adding a link basically involves making up a new name (even in another
directory) and copying the inode from the old directory entry to the
new one. Removing only removes the directory entry, not the contents,
unless there are no more links.

Because links involve copying the inode, they can't cross file 
system boundaries. For instance, inode #10993 on / is another
file than inode #10993 on /home.

Symobolic links work a little bit differently. They store (sometimes
in the inode) a pathname to the destination file. BUt these are 
separate files. A hard link only takes up a directory entry.

In that context, windows shortcuts are closer to symbolic links since
they are essentially files with embedded filenames.

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$ ln -s Graphics /Graphics
> ln: creating symbolic link `/Graphics/Graphics' to `Graphics': 
> Operation not permitted
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$

It seems you are attempting to make a file that points to 
itself. In what directory are you trying this? Sometimes you need the
extra 'f' to force (ln -sf) the linking. I've usually learned to 
automatically get my fingers to type 'ln -sf' when I want to link a
file. And I think you have the source and destination reversed - that
may be the cause of the confusion.

Since you mention icons, is this a kde 'shortcut' When you click
on Graphics, is the intent to bring up the Graphics subdirectory? If
so, an easier thing is to create a new Link to URL by right clicking on
the desktop. Then you can name the file "Graphics" and make the URL
'file:///graphics" for instance. And if you click you get a window
directory listing from konqueror.

> Anne

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Re: [newbie] Galeon & Flash Plug-in

[Tom Brinkman]

On Thursday June 12 2003 05:20 pm, RichardA wrote:

> It's worse than that, T. As Linux users, we're barred from
> experiencing the wonderful world of Shockwave. We'll just have to
> make do with the useful part of the web.
>
> And yes, my plugin is out of date. It goes with my computer,
> clothes, music...
>
> Richard

 Mandrake rpm, FlashPlayer-6.0-3mdk. I installed it and did 
nothin else. All browsers I use (mozilla & konqueror, flash is 
enabled for galeon too) are automagically flash enabled.  FWIW, I 
detest flash, but I hate gettin error mesg's from flash web pages 
even more. Same deal with java, Mandrake rpm, j2re-1.4.1_01-5mdk, 
install it, nothin else needs to be done.
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Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:54:11 -0700
eric huff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> And for those of you like me who have trouble speling approppos :)
> it's the same as man -k link   (k for keyword).

Cool! I know, I'm a gud speler mosly, but apr...appro...a..

ah, ferget it.

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Re: [newbie] Tip of the Day

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:14:48 -0500
C Tresenriter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Re: Lockergnome's Penguin shell
> It used to be written by Tony Steidler-Dennison until recently - very
> good stuff.
> He's recently started another weekley linux thing called Uptime - see 
> http://www.steidler.net/uptime/
> Tony's main work involes large telescopes run by linux - he's just
> returned from a job in Japan.
> also see his blog Frankly I'd Rather Not... at
> http://www.steidler.net/

Thanks, I'd wondered where he'd gotten to.
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Re: [newbie] Comparing CDs - whats the best way of doing it?

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:22:05 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

> 
> Try diff --brief --recursive dir1 dir2
> 
> The --brief option cuts out a lot of the output.

ah, so I wasn't too far off! My god, I think I can actually read man
pages now!

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Re: [newbie] Kmail - when I upgrade?

[eric huff]

Didn't some people have problems doing this since config files that needed 
updated weren't?  I think it was with kde or something.
Or are you just trying to get more people frustrated with kde, Joe?  :)

eric

On Fri June 13 2003 06:07 am, JoeHill wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:26:14 +1000
> Jon Vahlberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>(by way of Jon Vahlberg
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) uttered:
> > At this stage I am quite happy with Mandrake v9.0. However at some
> > stage I will go to Mandrake v9.1. Usually when I do I save the files I
> > want and then do a re-install (rather than upgrade). SInce I have just
> > started to use Kmail what's the best way of migrating the folders
> > across (when I do make the move)?
>
> The easiest thing is to just do the new install, but make sure it does
> not format your existing /home partition. Then, when the new system
> comes up, yer all set. I believe there is an option during the install
> to do "custom" disk partitioning, this is what you would want to choose.
>
> However, it is still a good idea to back up your home dir, say to a CD,
> just in case.


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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[eric huff]

On Fri June 13 2003 05:28 am, Jan Wilson wrote:
> * Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030613 05:58]:
> > I have just realised that if yoiu use kde's 'create a link here', you
> > get a hard link.  Now I may have completely misunderstood the whole
> > theory, but I thought that when you want to make what windows calls a
> > shortcut, you really want a soft link?
>
> Probably.  Hard links DO have some nice uses, for example making
> successive backups.  By copying hard links you can automatically make
> real copies only of only the files that have changed.

Can you explain a bit more how this helps with backups?  This seems 
interesting

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Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?

[eric huff]

Mine is broken somehow.  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] huff]$ apropos ln
inet_lnaof [inet](3)  - Internet address manipulation routines
isalnum [isalpha](3)  - character classification routines
iswalnum (3)  - test for alphanumeric wide character

It's not a big deal, just strange mostly.  

eric


On Fri June 13 2003 05:03 am, Ken Walker wrote:
> There is if you type aprops ln, goes to show if you use that you think
> is what you want, it isn't always and can lead you on a merry
> roundabout.
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: eric huff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: 13 June 2003 5:25 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?
> >
> >> and that's probably where apropos comes in
> >> (see last line of included output)
> >
> >I was just about to mention apropos, but check out my
> >output:  no ln
> >command.


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Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?

[eric huff]

> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] sj]# apropos link
> > cleanlinks   (1x)  - remove dangling symbolic links and
> > empty directories
> > ifplugd  (8)  - A link detection daemon for ethernet
> > *remainder of apropos output snipped*
>
> That's useful.  I never really understood the use of apropos, but I
> can see it helping here.

And for those of you like me who have trouble speling approppos :)
it's the same as man -k link   (k for keyword).

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[newbie] OK so where has it gone?

[Inhabitant of Zion]

Hi

Here is my sad sorry story of woe...

HDD failed oon my system yesterday.

Took everything with it.

Managed to rescue most stuff but not xine.

I had a copy of xine-lib-1-0.beta12.4mdk but its been lost and now I can't find this 
rpm anywhere.

Its listed in the cooker sources but when you try to get a mirror up to download it 
the thing has disappeared.

Anybody got a copy, know where I can download a copy or know why its been removed?

Cheers in advance

John





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RE: [newbie] D4X Compile

[Tony S. Sykes]

You can do it from mcc as well. Just choose the remove option. I know you can force it 
not to remove anything else other than the gtk 2 in urpmi but I am not sure if this 
will cause any problems (somebody else from the list may be able to answer that). 
Where are you in uk? It might be easier if I send you a CD with all the MDK 9.1 
updates on.

-Original Message-
From: John Richard Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] D4X Compile


Tony S. Sykes wrote:

>Would it not be easier to urpme the gtk and then urpmi the gtk
>specifying the newer version in the command line?
>
>Tony.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: John Richard Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:45 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [newbie] D4X Compile
>
>
>Charles A Edwards wrote:
>
>  
>
>>On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:07:25 +0100
>>John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>what should I do then,
>>>a urpmi , or better still where can I download pucka version with my
>>>d4x on M9.0
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>Have you tried rebuilding d4x Since you did the --force install of gtk?
>>
>>Hell, if it comes to it I can send you the rpm I built.
>>It's only 1MB.
>>
>>
>>   Charles
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>Indeed I have Charles, same gtk error.
>
>but it's those gkt libraries  libgtk+2.0_0and  2:gtk+2.0  
>
>that are the problem here ?
>I just need a good copy of these I think , that is what those low % 
>figures were saying ?
>How big are they ?
>
>
>
>John  
>  
>
Tony,


Well I think that isn't going to be easy. see here,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# urpme gtk+2.0
To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be removed 
(152 MB):
drakconf-9.1-13.1mdk
drakcronat-0.1.3-1mdk
drakfirsttime-0.91-12mdk
drakxtools-9.1-31.3mdk
eog-2.2.0-1mdk
file-roller-2.2.1-1mdk
gail-1.2.0-1mdk
galeon-1.3.3-2.1mdk
gdm-2.4.1.3-5mdk
gedit-2.2.0.1-1mdk
gnome-applets-2.2.0-2mdk
gnome-control-center-2.2.0.1-2mdk
gnome-desktop-2.2.0.1-2mdk
gnome-games-2.2.0-2mdk
gnome-media-2.2.1.1-1mdk
gnome-panel-2.2.0.1-6mdk
gnome-python-1.99.15-1mdk
gnome-python-bonobo-1.99.15-1mdk
gnome-python-canvas-1.99.15-1mdk
gnome-session-2.2.0.2-2mdk
gnome-system-monitor-2.0.4-4mdk
gnome-telnet-2.4-4mdk
gnome-terminal-2.2.1-1mdk
gnome-themes-2.2-2mdk
gnome-utils-2.2.0.3-1mdk
gnome2-2.2.0-1mdk
gnomeicu-0.98.126-2mdk
gphoto-0.4.3-17mdk
gramps-0.9.0-2mdk
gtk+2.0-2.2.1-2mdk
gtk-engines2-2.2.0-2mdk
gtkam-0.1.10-2mdk
harddrake-ui-9.1-31.3mdk
libbonoboui-2.2.0-1mdk
libbonoboui2_0-2.2.0-1mdk
libeel2_2-2.2.1-1mdk
libexif-gtk4-0.3.3-2mdk
libexif-gtk4-devel-0.3.3-2mdk
libgail17-1.2.0-1mdk
libgdkcardimage0-2.2.0-2mdk
libgnome-desktop-2_2-2.2.0.1-2mdk
libgnomecanvas2_0-2.2.0.1-1mdk
libgnomeprintui2-2_0-2.2.1.1-1mdk
libgnomeui2-2.2.0.1-2mdk
libgnomeui2_0-2.2.0.1-2mdk
libgtk+2.0_0-2.2.1-2mdk
libgtk+2.0_0-devel-2.2.1-2mdk
libgtkhtml2_0-2.2.0-2mdk
libnautilus2-2.2.1-5mdk
libpanel-applet-2_0-2.2.0.1-6mdk
mdkonline-0.91-2mdk
mozilla-1.3.1-4.1mdk
mozilla-mail-1.3.1-4.1mdk
mrproject-0.9-1mdk
nautilus-2.2.1-5mdk
nautilus-gtkhtml-0.3.2-5mdk
perl-GTK2-0.0.cvs.2003.03.04.1-2mdk
perl-GTK2-devel-0.0.cvs.2003.03.04.1-2mdk
rfbdrake-0.9.1-11.1mdk
rpmdrake-2.1-15.1mdk
screem-0.6.0-1mdk
yelp-2.2.0-2mdk
Is this OK? (Y/n)

note the 152 MB in all,
and while while it may be safe to remove , I'm extremely reluctant to 
sanction it , not knowing what I am doing at all.
Since it wants to remove so much you can bet your bottom dollar it will 
want to reinstall something like as many packages, and under plain urpmi 
, there don't seem to be any resume facilities , which means when I get 
cut off by my ISP,  thats it,  start again.

If I could use MCC update at least each updated package gets ticked off 
and when I manually restart the process it at leasts restarts at the 
beginning of the last package it was updating, tiresome but achievable, 
whereas plain urpmi makes you start all over again, at least it did for 
me last time I tried it, I don't pretend to know and understand these 
urpmi stuff well.

Cann't I simply urpmi libgtk+2.0_0,urpmi gtk+2.0
and won't it simply overwrite the existing installs.

John

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Re: [newbie] Tip of the Day

[Troy Davidson]

And mine.  ;)  I love doing things in the background so I can work on other
things.  This will come in handy.

Troy Davidson 
Linux User #311107

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real life computer and 
  gaming nerd! 

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Quoting Len Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:34:38 -0700
> eric huff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu June 12 2003 09:07 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> > > nohup gkrellm &
> > 
> > That definitely gets added to my bag of tricks...
> > 
> > Thanks for the tip, Joe!
> 
> And to mine.  You are the bee's knees Joe (don't ask - ancient UK
> colloquialism).
> -- 
> Len Lawrence
> --
> "Never face facts; if you do, you'll never get up in the morning."
> -- Marlo Thomas
> --
> 
> 

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Re: [newbie] one more

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 2:46 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:19:45 +0100
>
> Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > Joe - you could really help me.  I'm snowed under at the moment. 
> > Will
> >
> > you do a bit of sorting out and get them onto the
> > MandrakeReferences page with suitable short description?  Thanks
>
> Done!
>
> There were only 3 that weren't already listed, but hey, the more
> the better!

Thanks, Joe.  Much appreciated.

Anne

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RE: [newbie] Tip of the Day

[Burrows, Scott]

Nice tip.  My ye 'ole Book of Knowledge has been enriched.

Thanks Joe.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: eric huff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Tip of the Day


On Thu June 12 2003 09:07 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> nohup gkrellm &

That definitely gets added to my bag of tricks...

Thanks for the tip, Joe!


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Re: [newbie] Comparing CDs - whats the best way of doing it?

[hendrik]

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 09:22:33AM -0400, JoeHill wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:26:36 +1000
> Jon Vahlberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>(by way of Jon Vahlberg
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) uttered:
> 
> > I am making some backup CDs for some of my data CDs but would like to
> > check that all the files on one CD matches the same on another CD?
> > What's the best way of doing such a comparison? I could run md5
> > against it but I would have to do it for each individual file - I am
> > guessing there's a better way of doing it. Thanks.
> 
> "diff" might do it for you. It does handle directories if you specify
> the -r switch.
> 
> That's a lotta data, though, diff could give you some horrendous amounts
> of output.

Try diff --brief --recursive dir1 dir2

The --brief option cuts out a lot of the output.

Of course, you'd have to have two CD drives for this if you were comparing two CDs.  
Or else copy one to hard disk.

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Re: [newbie] Tip of the Day

[C Tresenriter]

I appreciated that too.

Re: Lockergnome's Penguin shell
It used to be written by Tony Steidler-Dennison until recently - very good 
stuff.
He's recently started another weekley linux thing called Uptime - see 
http://www.steidler.net/uptime/
Tony's main work involes large telescopes run by linux - he's just returned 
from a job in Japan.
also see his blog Frankly I'd Rather Not... at http://www.steidler.net/

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RE: [newbie] HTML on Mailing list

[Dennis . R . Myers]

Title: RE: [newbie] HTML on Mailing list







-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aron Smith
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] HTML on Mailing list



On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 21:43, Guy Rouillier wrote:
> Aron Smith wrote:
> 
> > I Found this site that not only gives the reasons not to use HTML but
> > also how to turn it off even if you use (ugh)AOL
> 
> And that site would be?
http://.expita.com/nomime.htm
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
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I have tried this with Outlook 2002 and my mail still shows up as html as this one is an example. I can find no way to stop it so I conclude I must quit using the office email and only send from my linux computer at home.  Dennis M.

Re: [newbie] "updatedb" crashes and resets my comp.!!!

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Friday 13 June 2003 02:01 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> * Double check all your system path(s) in the /etc/profile, the .bashrc
> of your home account, the /etc/ld.so.conf

.bashrc looks okay - I have a lot of aliases in there but they are valid.

ld.co.conf looks like this:
/usr/X11R6/lib
/usr/lib/qt3/lib
/usr
/usr/lib
/usr/local/lib

and here is /etc/profile

# /etc/profile -*- Mode: shell-script -*- 
# (c) MandrakeSoft, Chmouel Boudjnah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

loginsh=1

# Users generally won't see annoyng core files
[ "$UID" = "0" ] && ulimit -S -c 100 > /dev/null 2>&1

if ! echo ${PATH} |grep -q /usr/X11R6/bin ; then
PATH="$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin"
fi

if [ "$UID" -ge 500 ] && ! echo ${PATH} |grep -q /usr/games ; then
export PATH=$PATH:/usr/games
fi

umask 022

USER=`id -un`
LOGNAME=$USER
MAIL="/var/spool/mail/$USER"
HISTCONTROL=ignoredups
HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname`
HISTSIZE=1000

if [ -z "$INPUTRC" -a ! -f "$HOME/.inputrc" ]; then
INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc
fi

# some old programs still use it (eg: "man"), and it is also
# required for level1 compliance for LI18NUX2000
NLSPATH=/usr/share/locale/%l/%N

export PATH PS1 USER LOGNAME MAIL HOSTNAME INPUTRC NLSPATH
export HISTCONTROL HISTSIZE 

for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh ; do
if [ -x $i ]; then
. $i
fi
done

unset i

> * Rerun ldconfig

DId that.

> * Disable any services that are running that you seriously don't need.

Always do that from the get-go.

> * Delete any core.* files laying around

Found none.

> * Check the size of your SWAP

Now here's an odd one - df and kdisk neither one show a swap? Is there some 
trick to seeing it? (IIRC it always showed up before)

> * Do an fsck on your / partition from the first installation CD

Off a fresh install? And after having it happen before the new install? What 
are the odds one that one off a 2-3 month old Maxtor drive? Its ReiserFS.

> * Do an "updatedb" from "single user mode"

Tried that one already.

> * Cross your fingers

Yeah. ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Galeon & Flash Plug-in

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Friday 13 June 2003 06:46 am, Technoslick wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 22:10, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> >
> > It is a minor problem here. I do some surfing with 3 year old grandson at
> > various kiddie sites that intermingle Flash and Shockwave stuff (mostly
> > www.nickjr.com). Will doesn't want to hear about OSS vs proprietary, nor
> > the evilness of all things Microsoft; he just wants to play the game.
>
> Your Grandson's attitude about just wanting it to work is shared by all
> youth of today ( many spouses, I do imagine.) My youngest is 19 and
> she'd say exactly the same thing. Unfortunately, I could say the same
> for my wife.:0[
>
> T

T:
Will is actually very good about the whole thing. He even puts up with my 
dialup connection (although he has cable access at home), using the download 
progress screen to develop his numbers skills. OK, OK, I'll confess -- it's 
me that gets fidgetty.

Now to check into that Crossover plugin lead --

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Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:34:06 +0100
Richard Urwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> example Joe might take over the project

Bd idea!
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Re: [newbie] APT

[Derek Jennings]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 1:33 pm, Keith Powell wrote:
> Is the Ibiblio APT repository no longer available? I have been trying to
> access it for some time, but all I get is a 404 error.
>
> On an associated note, is the PLF source no longer available? I can't
> access that either.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Keith

If you mean Texstars apt repository, following an outage at ibiblio his files 
came back with a different path. Check with the link at pclinuxonline.net to 
find the current path to the repository.

As for PLF, they had an outage a daya ago, but they seem OK now.

If downloading from plf, some of their morrirs are pretty poor. Personallu I 
find the club-internet one OK.

derek


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Re: [newbie] D4X Compile

[John Richard Smith]

Tony S. Sykes wrote:

Would it not be easier to urpme the gtk and then urpmi the gtk
specifying the newer version in the command line?
Tony.

-Original Message-
From: John Richard Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] D4X Compile
Charles A Edwards wrote:

 

On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:07:25 +0100
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


   

what should I do then,
a urpmi , or better still where can I download pucka version with my
d4x on M9.0
  

 

Have you tried rebuilding d4x Since you did the --force install of gtk?

Hell, if it comes to it I can send you the rpm I built.
It's only 1MB.
  Charles



   

Indeed I have Charles, same gtk error.

but it's those gkt libraries  libgtk+2.0_0and  2:gtk+2.0  

that are the problem here ?
I just need a good copy of these I think , that is what those low % 
figures were saying ?
How big are they ?



John  
 

Tony,

Well I think that isn't going to be easy. see here,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# urpme gtk+2.0
To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be removed 
(152 MB):
drakconf-9.1-13.1mdk
drakcronat-0.1.3-1mdk
drakfirsttime-0.91-12mdk
drakxtools-9.1-31.3mdk
eog-2.2.0-1mdk
file-roller-2.2.1-1mdk
gail-1.2.0-1mdk
galeon-1.3.3-2.1mdk
gdm-2.4.1.3-5mdk
gedit-2.2.0.1-1mdk
gnome-applets-2.2.0-2mdk
gnome-control-center-2.2.0.1-2mdk
gnome-desktop-2.2.0.1-2mdk
gnome-games-2.2.0-2mdk
gnome-media-2.2.1.1-1mdk
gnome-panel-2.2.0.1-6mdk
gnome-python-1.99.15-1mdk
gnome-python-bonobo-1.99.15-1mdk
gnome-python-canvas-1.99.15-1mdk
gnome-session-2.2.0.2-2mdk
gnome-system-monitor-2.0.4-4mdk
gnome-telnet-2.4-4mdk
gnome-terminal-2.2.1-1mdk
gnome-themes-2.2-2mdk
gnome-utils-2.2.0.3-1mdk
gnome2-2.2.0-1mdk
gnomeicu-0.98.126-2mdk
gphoto-0.4.3-17mdk
gramps-0.9.0-2mdk
gtk+2.0-2.2.1-2mdk
gtk-engines2-2.2.0-2mdk
gtkam-0.1.10-2mdk
harddrake-ui-9.1-31.3mdk
libbonoboui-2.2.0-1mdk
libbonoboui2_0-2.2.0-1mdk
libeel2_2-2.2.1-1mdk
libexif-gtk4-0.3.3-2mdk
libexif-gtk4-devel-0.3.3-2mdk
libgail17-1.2.0-1mdk
libgdkcardimage0-2.2.0-2mdk
libgnome-desktop-2_2-2.2.0.1-2mdk
libgnomecanvas2_0-2.2.0.1-1mdk
libgnomeprintui2-2_0-2.2.1.1-1mdk
libgnomeui2-2.2.0.1-2mdk
libgnomeui2_0-2.2.0.1-2mdk
libgtk+2.0_0-2.2.1-2mdk
libgtk+2.0_0-devel-2.2.1-2mdk
libgtkhtml2_0-2.2.0-2mdk
libnautilus2-2.2.1-5mdk
libpanel-applet-2_0-2.2.0.1-6mdk
mdkonline-0.91-2mdk
mozilla-1.3.1-4.1mdk
mozilla-mail-1.3.1-4.1mdk
mrproject-0.9-1mdk
nautilus-2.2.1-5mdk
nautilus-gtkhtml-0.3.2-5mdk
perl-GTK2-0.0.cvs.2003.03.04.1-2mdk
perl-GTK2-devel-0.0.cvs.2003.03.04.1-2mdk
rfbdrake-0.9.1-11.1mdk
rpmdrake-2.1-15.1mdk
screem-0.6.0-1mdk
yelp-2.2.0-2mdk
Is this OK? (Y/n)

note the 152 MB in all,
and while while it may be safe to remove , I'm extremely reluctant to 
sanction it , not knowing what I am doing at all.
Since it wants to remove so much you can bet your bottom dollar it will 
want to reinstall something like as many packages, and under plain urpmi 
, there don't seem to be any resume facilities , which means when I get 
cut off by my ISP,  thats it,  start again.

If I could use MCC update at least each updated package gets ticked off 
and when I manually restart the process it at leasts restarts at the 
beginning of the last package it was updating, tiresome but achievable, 
whereas plain urpmi makes you start all over again, at least it did for 
me last time I tried it, I don't pretend to know and understand these 
urpmi stuff well.

Cann't I simply urpmi libgtk+2.0_0,urpmi gtk+2.0
and won't it simply overwrite the existing installs.
John

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Re: [newbie] one more

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:19:45 +0100
Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Joe - you could really help me.  I'm snowed under at the moment.  Will
> 
> you do a bit of sorting out and get them onto the MandrakeReferences 
> page with suitable short description?  Thanks

Done!

There were only 3 that weren't already listed, but hey, the more the
better!

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Re: [newbie] Annoying Problem in Mandrake 9.1

[Jason Guidry]

Zariyan Zephyr wrote:
Why my Mandrake 9.1 can't be reboot or shutdown in text mode
(non-Xwindow). I typed "shutdown -r now" or "halt" but the output is
";2R". I must type "shutdown -r now" many times to reboot my PC. Why
should I do to fix it ?. 
I think it defaults to only let root reboot from the command line.  try 
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Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?

[Richard Urwin]

It is also useful to remember that the path that you specify for the first 
parameter can and often should be a relative path.

For example if I have a project involving a lot of files in multiple 
directories, and in one of those I need a link to a file in another, it would 
be better to do:
ln -s ../dir/file
than
ln -s /home/richard/development/project/dir/file

The difference comes when the entire project tree is copied elsewhere, for 
example Joe might take over the project. So the file is now in 
/home/joe/mystuff/progs/project/dir/file. If I linked it relative then the 
link would still work, but with absolute pathnames they would have to be 
recreated.

On the other hand a link oustide the project, say to /usr/include/stdio.h 
should be done with an absolute path, or it will fail in the same 
circumstances:

ln -s ../../../../../usr/include/stdio.h
when moved to Joe's directory now refers to /home/usr/include/stdio.h, which 
does not exist.

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[newbie] Annoying Problem in Mandrake 9.1

[Zariyan Zephyr]

Dear All,
Why my Mandrake 9.1 can't be reboot or shutdown in text mode
(non-Xwindow). I typed "shutdown -r now" or "halt" but the output is
";2R". I must type "shutdown -r now" many times to reboot my PC. Why
should I do to fix it ?. I don't want to change my Mandrake to Red Hat
9 or Libranet Linux 2.8. TIA.

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Re: [newbie] Comparing CDs - whats the best way of doing it?

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:26:36 +1000
Jon Vahlberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>(by way of Jon Vahlberg
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) uttered:

> I am making some backup CDs for some of my data CDs but would like to
> check that all the files on one CD matches the same on another CD?
> What's the best way of doing such a comparison? I could run md5
> against it but I would have to do it for each individual file - I am
> guessing there's a better way of doing it. Thanks.

"diff" might do it for you. It does handle directories if you specify
the -r switch.

That's a lotta data, though, diff could give you some horrendous amounts
of output.

I found this on google/linux:

http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue27/marsden.html

I also found this:

http://library.n0i.net/linux-unix/tutorials/ill-unixbsd/ch34/139-140.html#Heading1

but dircmp is not a command I can find on my MDK system, anyone know of
a Mandrake equiv?

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Re: [newbie] one more

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 1:43 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:08:03 +0100
>
> Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > Done that one, T, and thanks, Joe.  I have some others marked up
> > for including, but I have some catching up to do.
>
> If you want to harvest some more, Distrowatch has a list of
> Mandrake related sites. One that has some pretty good tutorials is
>
> http://icculus.org/~dolson/mdkxp/
>
Joe - you could really help me.  I'm snowed under at the moment.  Will 
you do a bit of sorting out and get them onto the MandrakeReferences 
page with suitable short description?  Thanks

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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 2:17 pm, Richard Urwin wrote:
> On Friday 13 Jun 2003 1:20 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> The way to remember it is that is has the same syntax as cp.
> cp old-file new-file
> ln -s old-file new-file

Fair enough - that should be easy to remember.  Thanks

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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 2:09 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 13 Jun 2003 1:28 pm, Jan Wilson wrote:
> > * Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030613 05:58]:
> > You know, it took a long time before I got unconfused about that,
> > myself.  What you want is:
> >
> > ln -s  
> >
> > This seems somehow backwards, and the man page uses terms that
> > didn't make it clear, at least for me.
> >
> > > OK - obviously there's something I haven't understood.  Not
> > > least, 'why' it's not permitted.  I thought that it would
> > > overwrite the existing link/icon.  Is that not so, or is there
> > > some other aspect that I have misunderstood?
> >
> > If there is an existing file, directory, or link with the same
> > name, you will have to delete it first.  ln won't overwrite an
> > existing file name.  And remember, EVERYTHING in Linux is a file
> > ;-)
>
> Hi, Jan.  OK - got the link created.  Then I created one to another
> location, which I called OldHome, being my /home in 9.0.  All I
> wanted to do next was replace the default folder icon with the
> folder-important icon, to make a clear differentiation, but I was
> told I do not have sufficient access to write to
> /home/anne/Desktop/OldHome/.directory.  Can you explain to me what
> is happening here?
>
> Anne

I should add that the properties of the Graphics link show me as owner 
and group as user, while the properties of the OldHome link show root 
for both.  I created them immediately consecutively, so there should 
be not difference in what I was doing.  This is what happened:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ chown anne OldHome
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ chgrp users Oldhome
chgrp: failed to get attributes of `Oldhome': No such file or 
directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ whoami
anne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ ls -l Gr*
lrwxrwxrwx1 anne users   9 Jun 13 13:55 Graphics -> 
/Graphics/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ ls -l Old*
lrwxrwxrwx1 anne users  13 Jun 13 13:57 OldHome -> 
/mnt/OldHome/  /

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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[Richard Urwin]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 1:20 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 13 Jun 2003 1:13 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
> > On Friday 13 June 2003 07:54 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$ ln -s Graphics /Graphics
> > > ln: creating symbolic link `/Graphics/Graphics' to `Graphics':
> > > Operation not permitted
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$
> >
> > It seems you cannot create a symlink in the directory you want to
> > link to.  or perhaps you reversed the order of the syntax.  it
> > should be:
> >
> > ln -s  linkname
> >
> > So if you wanted to create a link Graphics in your home dir to
> > /Graphics, it should be:
> >
> > ln -s /Graphics Graphics
>
> I sometimes think I'll never get this straight.  What you said is what
> would seem logical to me, but the book I consulted said
>
> ln -s name-of-link path/to/location
>
> So now I guess it's throw away the book and rely on common sense - for
> this bit anyway 

The way to remember it is that is has the same syntax as cp.
cp old-file new-file
ln -s old-file new-file

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Re: [newbie] Comparing CDs - whats the best way of doing it?

[stormjumper]

this was covered some time back in the lists, so if you wan greater detail,
you may need to search the archives a little bit.

otherwise, as long as it works, the easiest method is
md5 /dev/cdrom

unfortunately, the consensus at that time is that on certain setups, it may
fail with a "unexpected end of file" error or something like that.
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Subject: [newbie] Comparing CDs - whats the best way of doing it?


Hi,

I am making some backup CDs for some of my data CDs but would like to check
that all the files on one CD matches the same on another CD? What's the best
way of doing such a comparison? I could run md5 against it but I would have
to do it for each individual file - I am guessing there's a better way of
doing it. Thanks.

Jon.









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Re: [newbie] Kmail - when I upgrade?

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:26:14 +1000
Jon Vahlberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>(by way of Jon Vahlberg
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) uttered:

> 
> At this stage I am quite happy with Mandrake v9.0. However at some
> stage I will go to Mandrake v9.1. Usually when I do I save the files I
> want and then do a re-install (rather than upgrade). SInce I have just
> started to use Kmail what's the best way of migrating the folders
> across (when I do make the move)?

The easiest thing is to just do the new install, but make sure it does
not format your existing /home partition. Then, when the new system
comes up, yer all set. I believe there is an option during the install
to do "custom" disk partitioning, this is what you would want to choose.

However, it is still a good idea to back up your home dir, say to a CD,
just in case.

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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 1:28 pm, Jan Wilson wrote:
> * Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030613 05:58]:
> You know, it took a long time before I got unconfused about that,
> myself.  What you want is:
>
> ln -s  
>
> This seems somehow backwards, and the man page uses terms that
> didn't make it clear, at least for me.
>
> > OK - obviously there's something I haven't understood.  Not
> > least, 'why' it's not permitted.  I thought that it would
> > overwrite the existing link/icon.  Is that not so, or is there
> > some other aspect that I have misunderstood?
>
> If there is an existing file, directory, or link with the same
> name, you will have to delete it first.  ln won't overwrite an
> existing file name.  And remember, EVERYTHING in Linux is a file 
> ;-)

Hi, Jan.  OK - got the link created.  Then I created one to another 
location, which I called OldHome, being my /home in 9.0.  All I 
wanted to do next was replace the default folder icon with the 
folder-important icon, to make a clear differentiation, but I was 
told I do not have sufficient access to write to 
/home/anne/Desktop/OldHome/.directory.  Can you explain to me what is 
happening here?

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Tip of the Day

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:41:17 -0400
"Lanman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Whaddya mean, Ancient? I still use it daily! Ancient! Jeesh! Odds
> Bodkins ! Gadzooks! It's not Ancient! Just "Seasoned"!

Heh, how 'bout this one:

"All the hairy chest to you folks!"

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Re: [newbie] Tip of the Day

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:44:15 +0100
Len Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> And to mine.  You are the bee's knees Joe (don't ask - ancient UK
> colloquialism).

>From my daughter's video collection:

"And from then on, all the other engines called James 'the bees
knees'..."

So thanks very much!
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[newbie] Kmail - when I upgrade?

[Jon Vahlberg]

Hi,

At this stage I am quite happy with Mandrake v9.0. However at some stage I
will go to Mandrake v9.1. Usually when I do I save the files I want and then
do a re-install (rather than upgrade). SInce I have just started to use Kmail
what's the best way of migrating the folders across (when I do make the
move)?

Thanks.

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[newbie] Comparing CDs - whats the best way of doing it?

[Jon Vahlberg]

Hi,

I am making some backup CDs for some of my data CDs but would like to check
that all the files on one CD matches the same on another CD? What's the best
way of doing such a comparison? I could run md5 against it but I would have
to do it for each individual file - I am guessing there's a better way of
doing it. Thanks.

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Re: [newbie] one more

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:08:03 +0100
Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Done that one, T, and thanks, Joe.  I have some others marked up for 
> including, but I have some catching up to do.

If you want to harvest some more, Distrowatch has a list of Mandrake
related sites. One that has some pretty good tutorials is

http://icculus.org/~dolson/mdkxp/

icculus.org seems to be offline at the moment, but I can't see that
being for very long...I hope...

anyway, DOlson is, well, he's a character alright, but he knows his
stuff. SERIOUSLY into Linux gaming, HATES winex, and he'd be right in
there with the creationists over on the OT list!

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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[Technoslick]

On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 08:28, Jan Wilson wrote:
> * Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030613 05:58]:
> > I have just realised that if yoiu use kde's 'create a link here', you 
> > get a hard link.  Now I may have completely misunderstood the whole 
> > theory, but I thought that when you want to make what windows calls a 
> > shortcut, you really want a soft link?
> 
> Probably.  Hard links DO have some nice uses, for example making
> successive backups.  By copying hard links you can automatically make
> real copies only of only the files that have changed.
> 
> > With this in mind, I set out to try to correct the situation.  I have, 
> > for instance a desktop icon called Graphics, which should simply put 
> > me into /Graphics.  This is what happened:
> 
> So you want a link named Graphics, pointing to a directory named /Graphics,
> right?
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$ ln -s Graphics /Graphics
> > ln: creating symbolic link `/Graphics/Graphics' to `Graphics': 
> > Operation not permitted
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$
> 
> You know, it took a long time before I got unconfused about that,
> myself.  What you want is:
> 
> ln -s  
> 
> This seems somehow backwards, and the man page uses terms that didn't
> make it clear, at least for me.
> 
> > OK - obviously there's something I haven't understood.  Not least, 
> > 'why' it's not permitted.  I thought that it would overwrite the 
> > existing link/icon.  Is that not so, or is there some other aspect 
> > that I have misunderstood?
> 
> If there is an existing file, directory, or link with the same name,
> you will have to delete it first.  ln won't overwrite an existing file
> name.  And remember, EVERYTHING in Linux is a file  ;-)

I'm still struggling to remember this. 

Reminds me of my MS-DOS days, back in the late '80s when I was using
PKZIP at the command line level. It took me a while to remember that you
place the name of the archive you are creating before the name of the
files you are placing in the archive. Seemed backward to me then. 

Hmmm...wanna bet the authors/founders of PKZIP/PKWARE were *nix users?
;0]

T


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Re: [newbie] Tip of the Day

[Lanman]

Whaddya mean, Ancient? I still use it daily! Ancient! Jeesh! Odds Bodkins ! Gadzooks! 
It's not Ancient! Just "Seasoned"!

Lanman

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On 6/13/2003 at 6:44 AM Len Lawrence wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:34:38 -0700
>eric huff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu June 12 2003 09:07 pm, JoeHill wrote:
>> > nohup gkrellm &
>>
>> That definitely gets added to my bag of tricks...
>>
>> Thanks for the tip, Joe!
>
>And to mine.  You are the bee's knees Joe (don't ask - ancient UK
>colloquialism).
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Re: [newbie] Tip of the Day

[Lanman]

Joe; Thank-You for playing our game! We have some wonderful parting gifts for you! Oh, 
and thanks for the Tip of the Day! Very helpful!

Lanman

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On 6/13/2003 at 12:07 AM JoeHill wrote:

>Thought I would pass this on from my Lockergnome Penguin Shell
>subscription:
>
>"Background Commands
>
>As you probably know, running commands in the console is my preferred
>method. I love the flexibility the console provides in executing these
>commands, allowing exactly the options I need to get the job done -
>nothing more, nothing less. I keep very few icons on the desktop for
>that reason; most of the programs I run, I run from the terminal.
>
>Which all raises an issue in my daily Linux use. When I'm running
>several applications, all launched from the command line, I'm often left
>with several open terminal windows. I can minimize them while the
>program is running, but it's still more clutter than I like. I can jump
>off to another desktop, but I know the windows are still open and still
>there. It just disrupts my sense of order.
>
>We've talked before about one quick way to solve this problem. Using the
>& sign at the end of a command:
>
>gkrellm &
>
>will free up the window to use for another program. When you execute the
>command with this operator, you'll see
>
>[1] 3000
>
>This designates the first [1] program, running in process ID 3000. With
>this tweak, it's likely that you can run more programs from a single
>window than you CPU or system can handle. I've never run that many but,
>theoretically, it's possible.
>
>Even this method has its drawbacks. When you log out of the console
>window, the program goes with it. In other words, closing the terminal
>also closes the program. That's probably not what you want when you've
>pushed a command to the background.
>
>There is, however, a way to truly push a program into the background
>from the terminal. Using this method, you can close the window while
>keeping the program running:
>
>nohup gkrellm &
>
>This simple addition of six keystrokes (space included) signals the
>system that you'd like to run the program without a hangup option -
>[no][h]ang[up]. In effect, it frees the command from the terminal,
>allowing you to close the console without killing the program.
>
>If you love the power of the console and happen to be a desktop
>neat-freak like myself, you'll soon learn to love the nohup command."
>
>enjoy!
>
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Re: [newbie] thanks

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 16:54, maxim j NARBROUGH wrote:
> thanks stephen,
>  figured it out already, just did a test run with Tux racer... all rock and
> rolling now.

Now you just enjoy! Have heaps of fun! Tell more people about your great
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Re: [newbie] Galeon & Flash Plug-in

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 11:46 am, Technoslick wrote:

> Your Grandson's attitude about just wanting it to work is shared by
> all youth of today ( many spouses, I do imagine.) My youngest is 19
> and she'd say exactly the same thing. Unfortunately, I could say
> the same for my wife.:0[
>
Hey, haven't we all said it in exasperation? 

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RE: [newbie] Savage drivers

[Technoslick]

On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 05:53, Hutton Daniel wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 13:23, Charles A Edwards wrote:
> > On 12 Jun 2003 10:28:47 -0400
> > Technoslick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > For me, this is a dead issue since the card has been
> > > relegated to Windows duty
> > 
> >  
> > My 1 foray into the realm of the S3/Savage has made its appropriate
> > home in my 'piece-of-shit' junkbox.
> > It never even performed marginally even in windblows.
> > 
> > 
> > Charles
> 
> >Yeah...well...you're right. :0[  When I bought it there wasn't any
> >thought of using it in Linux, and no idea that it would perform
> >marginally in Windows. The price was right at the time. I'm pack-rat,
> by
> >genetics, so I feel obligated to still give it life. But, your right.
> It
> >should be guillotined, instead!
> 
> >T
> 
> 
> Well thanks for all your help guys. I was really pleased to get such a
> quick response. I went to work on the machine last night and I tried
> the Xtart thing and it failed, so I guess that means that the chipset
> is not supported. I happened to have a newish Slackware disk with me
> so I installed it to see how it would cope with the savage and it just
> defaulted to the Vesa server and that worked fine, even with KDE
> 3.1.0. I put the same setup on Mandrake using XFdrake and it worked
> fine there too, no surprise.
> 
> I don't really undrestand why Mandrake doesn't default in the same way
> after not finding a suitable driver. Does the vesa server mean that
> the card is not being used properly (or at all). I would think its
> fine for an easy peasy newbie friendly installation if it just
> defaults to vesa so at least people can have a look at the desktop and
> be happy that the installation has gone ok. People who want to get the
> maximum out of their graphics card will soon find out if it's not
> being used properly and can go and fix it. I still didn't open the
> case, the computer is not mine so I'll avoid doing that until I really
> have to.
> 
> Thanks once again for the help, hope I can be of help to you sometime.
> Ciao,
> Daniel Hutton
> 

Glad that you found a way to get it working. I did try using the Knoppix
settings that did work on my particular setup (VESA) on the Mandrake
XF86Config-4 and I couldn't get it to work. Someone on the expert list
just posted a link to some archived posts that showed how the problem
was fixed in the Savage series by transposing the savage driver from a
RedHat 9.0 distro. Too bad that I've permanently demoted my S3 Savage
2000 card to Windows duty, it would be great to see if this worked for
me, too. 

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Re: [newbie] one more

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 11:55 am, Technoslick wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 00:13, JoeHill wrote:
> > http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/
>
> Looks like another winner, Joe! Thanks, again. Bookmarked and still
> open for later perusal.
>
> I should check with Anne to see if anyone is managing bookmarks on
> the Twiki. It would be nice to go to a familiar site to get links
> to everything and anything to do with Linux.
>
> T

Done that one, T, and thanks, Joe.  I have some others marked up for 
including, but I have some catching up to do.

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Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?

[Technoslick]

On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 01:23, Len Lawrence wrote:
> On 12 Jun 2003 17:40:14 -0400
> Technoslick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 22:44, Derick Schmidt wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > Use ln -s 
> > > 
> > > for example
> > > 
> > > ln -s /mnt/win_d
> > 
> > Aren't you missing the name of the link in your syntax?
> 
> Not necessarily.  If no name is specified the last component of the file 
> name is used.  In this particular case the link will be named win_d in 
> whichever directory the command is invoked.

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up for me. :0)

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Re: [newbie] one more

[Technoslick]

On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 00:13, JoeHill wrote:
> http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/

Looks like another winner, Joe! Thanks, again. Bookmarked and still open
for later perusal.

I should check with Anne to see if anyone is managing bookmarks on the
Twiki. It would be nice to go to a familiar site to get links to
everything and anything to do with Linux.

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Re: [newbie] Start up

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 2:00 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
> On Thursday 12 June 2003 12:41 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> > On Thursday June 12 2003 07:31 am, Todd Slater wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 08:56:03AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > Which brings up another point.  We often tell newbies about
> > > > html, but rarely do I see any mention of how to handle sigs.
> > > > If someone leaves a sig in place and replies below, it is
> > > > impossible to reply correctly, as Carroll said, because
> > > > everything below the '--' line disappears.
> > >
> > > Hmm, this sounds like bad design in kmail rather than a breach
> > > of etiquette. It is not difficult to imagine times when you
> > > would want to reply and include the original writer's sig. If
> > > anything, kmail should offer the option of turning off
> > > automatic deletion of the sig, or allow the user to select the
> > > text from
>
> thehttps://localhost:1/
>
> > > original to be included in the reply (select text, click
> > > Reply). Sylpheed offers both options.
> > >
> > > How do other MUA's handle sigs in a reply? What else are people
> > > using--kmail, sylpheed, evolution . . .?
> > >
> > > Todd
> >
> > Notice before my sig the two hyphens.  This is not bad
> > design, it's a long time internet standard, that the sig is
> > proceeded by the hyphens so that sig's are ignored by servers. 
> > If your mail reader includes sigs in replys, that are properly
> > separated from the mesg body by the hyphens, then it's your email
> > client that has a bad design.  Kmail properly and automatically
> > adds the hyphens before the sig.
>
> Right, this is the first I've seen or heard of a problem with sig
> lines.  My kmail seems to read it all without a problem.  Am I
> missing something? Nothing appears to be amiss.


No, it's not reading that is a problem, Dennis.  However, if you reply 
to a mail where the previous respondent had left in a sig, kmail 
would quote up to the first sig divider.  Thus, the reply that you 
were actually replying to is lost.  IYSWIM

It's hard to demonstrate to you, because kmail automatically trims out 
the sign, so I can send you an uncut one to show you.

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Tip of the Day

[Technoslick]

On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 00:07, JoeHill wrote:

> There is, however, a way to truly push a program into the background
> from the terminal. Using this method, you can close the window while
> keeping the program running:
> 
> nohup gkrellm &
> 
> This simple addition of six keystrokes (space included) signals the
> system that you'd like to run the program without a hangup option -
> [no][h]ang[up]. In effect, it frees the command from the terminal,
> allowing you to close the console without killing the program.
> 
> If you love the power of the console and happen to be a desktop
> neat-freak like myself, you'll soon learn to love the nohup command."

A good one, Joe. I wondered how to get around this, myself. Thanks.

BTW, I subscribe to the Lockergnome Webmaster newsletters. Never even
knew they had one for Linux. I should check this out. 

Hmmm...two good tips. Thanks!

T


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Re: [newbie] Galeon & Flash Plug-in

[Technoslick]

On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 22:10, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> On Thursday 12 June 2003 08:43 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
> > On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 16:35, Technoslick wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 18:20, RichardA wrote:
> > > > On 12 Jun 2003 17:38:12 -0400
> > > >
> > > > Technoslick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 17:25, RichardA wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:39:02 +0100
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday 12 Jun 2003 6:01 pm, RichardA wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > T
> > > >
> > > > It's worse than that, T. As Linux users, we're barred from experiencing
> > > > the wonderful world of Shockwave. We'll just have to make do with the
> > > > useful part of the web.
> > > >
> > > > And yes, my plugin is out of date. It goes with my computer, clothes,
> > > > music...
> > >
> > > Right awn, Brother!
> >
> > who needs ads in Shockwave? usually I find sites that insist on
> > Shockwave are not worth watching.
> >
> > > T
> 
> It is a minor problem here. I do some surfing with 3 year old grandson at 
> various kiddie sites that intermingle Flash and Shockwave stuff (mostly 
> www.nickjr.com). Will doesn't want to hear about OSS vs proprietary, nor the 
> evilness of all things Microsoft; he just wants to play the game.

Fortunately, both my daughters are of adults. I got past that issue long
ago. Grandchilden are a ways away. By then, Linux will be he 'de facto'
O/S and this will have been a moot point for me. ;0)

When I was giving Richard a '70s "Right on!", I was replying to the time
period I speculated his comment of age, clothes, etc., were based on. I
have no personal issues against Shockwave, or any other display media
that can enrichen my experience on the Web. My complaints come when the
Webmaster takes such liberties as to not allow for visitors'
preferences. Those with bandwidth restrictions and/or have throttled
down their browsers for whatever their reasons shouldn't be forced to
endure these presentations. I have visited sites that used Flash and
Shockwave as a means to give a presentation in an environment of choice
and need. Both are excellent ways to give someone a tour of your product
or explanation of how your service works. It's the opening message crap
that is annoying and not fair to many. So, I would like to see all of
these rich mediums come to Linux. 

Your Grandson's attitude about just wanting it to work is shared by all
youth of today ( many spouses, I do imagine.) My youngest is 19 and
she'd say exactly the same thing. Unfortunately, I could say the same
for my wife.:0[

T


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Re: [newbie] Galeon & Flash Plug-in

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 12 Jun 2003 11:20 pm, RichardA wrote:
> On 12 Jun 2003 17:38:12 -0400

> It's worse than that, T. As Linux users, we're barred from
> experiencing the wonderful world of Shockwave. We'll just have to
> make do with the useful part of the web.
>
> And yes, my plugin is out of date. It goes with my computer,
> clothes, music...
>
Awww - sob, sob

Anne


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Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 12:19 am, g wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Of course, the snag is that you have to know that 'ln' is the
> > progname for making a symbolic link 
>

>
> possibilities are numerous.
>
Absolutely - as always, linux is about choice 

Anne

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Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 3:23 am, stormjumper wrote:
> and that's probably where apropos comes in
> (see last line of included output)
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] sj]# apropos link
> cleanlinks   (1x)  - remove dangling symbolic links and
> empty directories
> ifplugd  (8)  - A link detection daemon for ethernet
> devices ifstatus (8)  - A link beat detection tool
> ld   (1)  - Using LD, the GNU linker
> ld.so/ld [ld](8)  - linux.so - dynamic linker/loader
> ldconfig (8)  - determine run-time link bindings
> link (1)  - call the link function to create a link
> to a file
> ln   (1)  - make links between files
> *remainder of apropos output snipped*

That's useful.  I never really understood the use of apropos, but I 
can see it helping here.

Anne

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RE: [newbie] Savage drivers

[Hutton Daniel]

Title: RE: [newbie] Savage drivers






On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 13:23, Charles A Edwards wrote:
> On 12 Jun 2003 10:28:47 -0400
> Technoslick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > For me, this is a dead issue since the card has been
> > relegated to Windows duty
> 
>  
> My 1 foray into the realm of the S3/Savage has made its appropriate
> home in my 'piece-of-shit' junkbox.
> It never even performed marginally even in windblows.
> 
> 
> Charles


>Yeah...well...you're right. :0[  When I bought it there wasn't any
>thought of using it in Linux, and no idea that it would perform
>marginally in Windows. The price was right at the time. I'm pack-rat, by
>genetics, so I feel obligated to still give it life. But, your right. It
>should be guillotined, instead!


>T



Well thanks for all your help guys. I was really pleased to get such a quick response. I went to work on the machine last night and I tried the Xtart thing and it failed, so I guess that means that the chipset is not supported. I happened to have a newish Slackware disk with me so I installed it to see how it would cope with the savage and it just defaulted to the Vesa server and that worked fine, even with KDE 3.1.0. I put the same setup on Mandrake using XFdrake and it worked fine there too, no surprise.

I don't really undrestand why Mandrake doesn't default in the same way after not finding a suitable driver. Does the vesa server mean that the card is not being used properly (or at all). I would think its fine for an easy peasy newbie friendly installation if it just defaults to vesa so at least people can have a look at the desktop and be happy that the installation has gone ok. People who want to get the maximum out of their graphics card will soon find out if it's not being used properly and can go and fix it. I still didn't open the case, the computer is not mine so I'll avoid doing that until I really have to.

Thanks once again for the help, hope I can be of help to you sometime.
Ciao,
Daniel Hutton

Re: [newbie] Format floppy

[Frans Ketelaars]

On Friday 13 June 2003 11:17, kostas wrote:
> Hello all
> i want to make a small script for formating a floppy disk.
> Does anybody knows how the bash command is?
>
> Kostas Dimitriou
> http://gasdim.topcities.com (greek)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] frans]$ apropos floppy
fdformat (8)  - Low-level formats a floppy disk
floppyd  (1)  - floppy daemon for remote access to floppy drive 
floppyd_installtest - tests whether floppyd is installed and running
floppyd_installtest  (1)  - tests whether floppyd is installed and running
gfloppy  (1)  - a simple floppy formatter for the GNOME
mbadblocks   (1)  - tests a floppy disk, and marks the bad blocks in 
the FAT
mformat  (1)  - add an MSDOS filesystem to a low-level formatted 
floppy disk
mkbootdisk   (8)  - creates a stand-alone boot floppy for the running 
system
mkrescue (8)  - make rescue floppy
setfdprm (8)  - sets user-provided floppy disk parameters

I think you want mformat and maybe fdformat.

HTH,

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[newbie] Format floppy

[kostas]

Hello all
i want to make a small script for formating a floppy disk.
Does anybody knows how the bash command is?

Kostas Dimitriou
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RE: [newbie] D4X Compile

[Tony S. Sykes]

Would it not be easier to urpme the gtk and then urpmi the gtk
specifying the newer version in the command line?

Tony.

-Original Message-
From: John Richard Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] D4X Compile


Charles A Edwards wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:07:25 +0100
>John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>what should I do then,
>>a urpmi , or better still where can I download pucka version with my
>>d4x on M9.0
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>Have you tried rebuilding d4x Since you did the --force install of gtk?
>
>Hell, if it comes to it I can send you the rpm I built.
>It's only 1MB.
>
>
>Charles
>
>  
>
Indeed I have Charles, same gtk error.

but it's those gkt libraries  libgtk+2.0_0and  2:gtk+2.0  

that are the problem here ?
I just need a good copy of these I think , that is what those low % 
figures were saying ?
How big are they ?



John  

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RE: [newbie] VPN client

[Tony S. Sykes]

Mike,

I use vmware and microsoft vpn at the moment till I can find an easy
solution. If you find one I would like to know as well.

Tony.

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Greetings,
Does anyone know if the MDK 9.1 kernel contains FreeS/WAN?  I read
somewhere
on the FreeS/WAN site that it did, but could not find any other
information.
I need my machine to be VPN client.

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[newbie] Multikey Board Setting

[Saurav Gohain]

Hi 
i am using mandrake 9.1 and am trying to use two  keybaords at a time. 
I have set my keyboard to US English and Bengali and CtRL +Alt for switching between them.
 
But when i use Gedit, there's no display when i try to type in Bengali. 
 
Although, it types well when i select only Bengali.
Why is it so? Anybody have some clue. 
 
Regards
Saurav
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