Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Who really owns UNIX?

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 15:29, Miark wrote:
> More like "boring" if you ask me. What peaked your interest?
> 
> Miark

It's actually quite interesting that The Open Group would state that all
of a sudden - they're wanting to maintain that UNIX is UNIX and they've
literally stated that IBM has a right to the source code as well as SCO
does...needless to say, the wraps are coming off the entire scenario as
it's being proven that SCO (and whatever software engineers) as the ones
that have written bits into linux code, instead of vice-versa...

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Re: Re[9]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

[stormjumper]

if that's the case, i guess stellarium crashes harder than linux is able to
handle, altho that statement is prolly inaccurate, given that linux is well
documented to be very insulated against application crashes...

in this case, since you can still ssh in, would it be better, once this
happens, to issue a reboot command. hopefully at least the system would
bring itself down gracefully, better than a hard reset would.
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> Hello stormjumper,
>
> Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:57:57 PM, you wrote:
>
> >> That seemed to bring down everything - ssh remote quit responding,
> >> could not log back in, no keys worked anywhere.
>
> s> i'm sorry to hear that. i've just tried, and killing the pid of
> s> startx brought down everything running on X.
>
> I tried a few things WITHOUT the crash, and they seemed to work, but
> not when I had the 'stellarium' crash. It might be that there was
> something else going on when stellarium crashed/froze x. stellarium
> crashed often enough that it was easy to check out. :-)
>
> -- 
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>
>
>






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Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Who really owns UNIX?

[Miark]

More like "boring" if you ask me. What peaked your interest?

Miark


On 15 Jun 2003 14:12:55 +1000 Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Interesting...
> 
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/itmanager/technology/story/0,229587,20275368,00.htm

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Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...

[Greg Meyer]

On Sunday 15 June 2003 12:10 am, Damian Gatabria wrote:
> In the last few weeks i've noticed OO taking over 6 minutes
> to start. This machine is a Pentium 2, 400 mhz. OO would
> take about 50 seconds to start, which was bearable, but
> now, no matter what i do to it, it just stalls for about 5 minutes.
> Once i have one instance sunning, opening documents and
> new windows is almost instantaneous... deleting the local
> installation files didn't help, and reinstalling OO didn't, either.
> This is happening with OO 1.0.3 running on Mdk 9.1..
>
Is anything else opening really slow?  Have there been any changes to your 
network setup?

If the answer to both questions is yes, then the machine might be having 
trouble resolving itself.  Check your /etc/hosts file and /etc/resolv.conf

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[newbie] ARTICLE: Who really owns UNIX?

[Stephen Kuhn]

Interesting...

http://www.zdnet.com.au/itmanager/technology/story/0,229587,20275368,00.htm

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[newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...

[Damian Gatabria]

In the last few weeks i've noticed OO taking over 6 minutes
to start. This machine is a Pentium 2, 400 mhz. OO would
take about 50 seconds to start, which was bearable, but
now, no matter what i do to it, it just stalls for about 5 minutes.
Once i have one instance sunning, opening documents and
new windows is almost instantaneous... deleting the local
installation files didn't help, and reinstalling OO didn't, either.
This is happening with OO 1.0.3 running on Mdk 9.1..

Any ideas? thanks!

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Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma

[JoeHill]

On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:25:51 -0400
JoeHill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

Well, fsck fsck! 

All I had to do was reboot...

damn! I had a good one goin there... 11 days, no problems and then
something like "normalize" brings me down...and from the CLI no less!

Oh well, start again :(

Thanks for all the suggestions, but the good news is, once again, Linux
fixes itself!

The files are all still there, gonna delete them just to be safe and
start over.

Cheers me mateys!
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Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?

[Mark]

Another solution I use to do the same thing is a separate Linux box that 
downloads and holds the mail,
and serves via IMAP to any computer or OS you need to.

Greg Meyer wrote:

On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:25 am, Gareth Qually wrote:
 

I need an e-mail program that will not only work in linux and windows 2000,
but also share data. The result I want to get is to be able to have the
data shared across the two OS's. Anyone know of a program thatdoes this?
   

Try something first that has both a Windows and a Linux version, like mozilla.
 



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[newbie] Fwd: Re: [Galeon-user] Using Kmail w/ Galeon.

[James Henry Maiewski]

--- Begin Message ---
On Saturday 14 June 2003 06:21 am, you wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 13:16, James Henry Maiewski wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Having just installed Galeon 1.3.3, I have run into a problem trying to
> > use a Kmail composer when I click on a mailto: thingy.  In Gnome control
> > center I went to "File Types and Programs," then added a new service,
> > "mailto."  In the "Program" box I entered "kmail --composer %t." This got
> > me a composer blank, but the To: field was "%t" and not the address
> > following the mailto:
>
> Try "kmail --composer %s", or perhaps even just "kmail --composer" ?

Hello,

Thanks for the suggestion.  "kmail --composer" gives me a blank composer with 
all fields blank.  "kmail --composer %s" gives "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"  While 
this is better than "&t," I wounder if I could do better.

In the Kmail handbook, %s isn't even listed (%S = Sender's address, gives 
"%S" in the To: field, as does every other listed % character).  I'll list 
these in case it helps:
%D = Date; %S = Subject; %e = Sender's address; %F = Sender's name;
%f = Sender's initials; %T = Recipient's name;
%t = Recipient's name and address

Joy!  Previously, it was suggested that I try "kmailservice "%u," which was a 
no-go, but I just tried "kmailservice %s". Bingo!

Thank you all!

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Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems

[JoeHill]

On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 07:54:43 +0530
"L.V.Gandhi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> What are the advantages of using dhcp for such small network of three 
> computers. Kindly explain. I have fixed ips for my LAN of 5 PCs.

>From the little I know, DHCP does more than just assign IPs. It also
tells the machines the gateway address and where to find other
resources. Just less to configure on the hosts on the LAN, especially
for us newbs!

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Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma

[JoeHill]

On 15 Jun 2003 12:13:19 +1000
Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> > WARNING!!!  Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause
> > SEVERE filesystem damage.
> > 

Ah, so this is the problem is that fsck is dangerous when run on an
active filesystem.

> OK, the easiest way to handle this is to boot from the first install
> CD then type rescue after hitting F1.  From there you'll get a menu
> which allows you to get a console without having your filesystems
> active. Then you can safely fsck.ext3 /dev/hda6

Still seems like an awfully harsh treatment for such a minor problem.
It's just one directory out of the whole system, sheesh... I can't
believe there's no way to just delete it!

How about just fsck.ext3 /home?

Thanks for all the help guys!

so much for my uptime! :(

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Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma

[Curt Tresenriter]

On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:05:33 -0500, Dennis Myers 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:46 pm, JoeHill wrote:
On 15 Jun 2003 10:55:46 +1000

Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> Have you tried to rename that directory, or move the contents of that
> directory elsewhere, then delete the directory, then recreate the
> directory and move all the old contents back into it?
I can rename the dir, but I can't delete, move, or even list the
contents of the directory. :(
Also, fsck says it only applies to ext2 filesystems, and I'm on ext3. Is
that true that it will only check ext2?
somebody jump in here but does not "ext3fsck" work like fsck?
Joe,

I just looked at man e2fsck looks like it might be what you need for 
ext3.
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Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems

[L.V.Gandhi]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 12:16 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:

> DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink
> router and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3
> comp LAN. I'm using DHCP here and it works fine.

What are the advantages of using dhcp for such small network of three 
computers. Kindly explain. I have fixed ips for my LAN of 5 PCs.
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Re[2]: [newbie] Microshot in the foot ?

[rikona]

Hello Kaj,

Saturday, June 14, 2003, 6:18:06 PM, you wrote:

KH> it is beyond me how this great nation  can tolerate that gang of
KH> crooks ?

Follow the money.

M$ wants to control or even take over the net. In doing so, they will
get a lot of people upset, and they are preparing for that. M$ has a
flood of expensive ads whose message is basically "what a nice company
we are." Why would they spend so much $$ on such a thing unless they
were going to do something obnoxious?

They learned their lesson about politics too. M$ is pouring serious $$
into buying politicians. They realize their doings may start serious
complaints by the public, and scre*ed companies, to their politicians,
and they need to be set up to counter that with heavy lobbying (bribes
- ooops - campaign contributions).

I also believe that M$ is trying to control what is said in the media.
With the many consolidations going on, that will be easier. After all,
there are many expensive M$ ads that might be placed if the media is
'nice'.

Follow the money.

Enough ranting for now... :-)

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Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma

[Brian Parish]

On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 11:49, JoeHill wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2003 10:16:29 +1000
> Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> 
> > Sounds like the file system is corrupt.  Have you tried fsck on this
> > partition?
> 
> hmmm, this does not sound encouraging:
> 
> fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002)
> e2fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002)
> /dev/hda6 is mounted.  
> 
> WARNING!!!  Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause
> SEVERE filesystem damage.
> 
> Do you really want to continue (y/n)? no

OK, the easiest way to handle this is to boot from the first install CD
then type rescue after hitting F1.  From there you'll get a menu which
allows you to get a console without having your filesystems active. 
Then you can safely fsck.ext3 /dev/hda6

Note that fsck normally lives in /sbin.  You may need to explicitly
reference that as there will probably be no path set for you.

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Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma

[Dennis Myers]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:49 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2003 10:16:29 +1000
>
> Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > Sounds like the file system is corrupt.  Have you tried fsck on this
> > partition?
>
> hmmm, this does not sound encouraging:
>
> fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002)
> e2fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002)
> /dev/hda6 is mounted.
>
> WARNING!!!  Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause
> SEVERE filesystem damage.
>
> Do you really want to continue (y/n)? no
Rats, I sent before I thought, I was thinking of the e2fsck command.  I used 
it once in the past and all was ok. Mayhap I was just lucky. ???
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Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma

[Dennis Myers]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:46 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2003 10:55:46 +1000
>
> Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > Have you tried to rename that directory, or move the contents of that
> > directory elsewhere, then delete the directory, then recreate the
> > directory and move all the old contents back into it?
>
> I can rename the dir, but I can't delete, move, or even list the
> contents of the directory. :(
>
> Also, fsck says it only applies to ext2 filesystems, and I'm on ext3. Is
> that true that it will only check ext2?

somebody jump in here but does not "ext3fsck" work like fsck?
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Re: [newbie] Microshot in the foot ?

[Dennis Myers]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:18 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:31 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
>
> 
>
> > It's getting time to start war - if M$ ain't going to play
> > nicely, then there are going to be 100% more
> > virus/trojan/macro attacks - at least that seems to be the
> > trend...
>
> 
>
> No need to start a war, Stephen. The war is on. By accusing IBM
> and the whole Open Source Community of stealing, SCO (read :
> M$) insulted every decent *netizen* in the world, including
> me.
>
> As you may have noticed, I never participated in the general
> Microsoft-bashing. The reason : I never used windows. My only
> experience with it stems from my kids, who bought PC's with
> the thingy preinstalled. I helped them wipe the dirt and get
> their PCs operational. (Afterwards they used the Windows-CD's
> for rifle-practice).
>
> At my work, the so-called *IT-department* knows next to nothing
> about IT, so they insist that I shall have something called
> *Windows 2000 Professional* on my office-PC. I tried to use it
> for a few days, but I don't think the taxpayers pay me for
> sitting on my ass rebooting PC's, staring on pop-up adds and
> blue screens of death (I happen to be a surgeon). Accordingly,
> I threw a Knoppix-CD into the cupholder, did some configuring
> and never touched the harddisk thereafter.
>
> But that is history. From now on you can count me in the army.
> I'll use everything at my disposal to miscredit, sabotage and
> boycott Microsoft. I have great admiration for the United
> States of America, but it is beyond me how this great nation
> can tolerate that gang of crooks ?
>
> And - if Microsoft wants to augment the virus-pressure, should
> we feel pity for those poor windows-users ? - I think no : by
> purchasing from criminals they asked for it.
>
> May the source be with us.
>
> Kaj Haulrich.
Kaj, well put and I agree. The USA has tolerated many gangs of crooks for a 
period of time. History shows the outcome of people such as "The Robber 
Barons" but those people don't go away, they just grow a new appendage. Money 
talks and Bulls**t walks. There is a large following of linux in the US and 
every day I see more and more in trade mags like E-week and such, talking 
about linux this and linux that. I believe that we are winning some of the 
battles and can with effort win the war. I do not believe that M$ will go 
away or be totally destroyed.  They will be reduced ( in their minds) to 
playing on a more level playing field and eventually have to deal with 
commodity OS's.  
I liken it to the field of thermodynamics. All the math and most of the 
developed equations of thermo are free and open to anyone interested in 
learning, as is the chemistry of phase shift chemicals and others such as 
that. Expansion of gases and compression of gases and the calculations needed 
for work performed are all out there. Even so, companies have taken this 
'free' information and made a business out of "heating and air conditioning".  
Computer code can work just as well that way as evidenced by Linux. It is 
only a matter of time before the "Companies" figure out more elegant ways to 
make it a paying proposition and yet the code remains free.  My $.02.
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Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma

[JoeHill]

On 15 Jun 2003 10:16:29 +1000
Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Sounds like the file system is corrupt.  Have you tried fsck on this
> partition?

hmmm, this does not sound encouraging:

fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002)
e2fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002)
/dev/hda6 is mounted.  

WARNING!!!  Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause
SEVERE filesystem damage.

Do you really want to continue (y/n)? no

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Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma

[JoeHill]

On 15 Jun 2003 10:55:46 +1000
Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> 
> Have you tried to rename that directory, or move the contents of that
> directory elsewhere, then delete the directory, then recreate the
> directory and move all the old contents back into it?

I can rename the dir, but I can't delete, move, or even list the
contents of the directory. :(

Also, fsck says it only applies to ext2 filesystems, and I'm on ext3. Is
that true that it will only check ext2?

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Re: [newbie] Microshot in the foot ?

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Sunday 15 June 2003 01:26 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:


> Think about it.


I certainly will, LyviM !

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Re: [newbie] Microshot in the foot ?

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 21:00, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> Recently we had a discussion on virus (pluralis : vira).
> 
> Now, returning from a non-networked-one-week-a-time job I 
> browsed my *usual suspects* and learned that Micro$oft had 
> purchased RAV, a Romanian Antivirus Company. Accordingly, M$ 
> would discontinue the antivirus capabilities for Linux.
> 
> Although vira aren't relevant for Linux-users, it seems that 
> RAV made a business out of providing numerous mailservers with 
> a virus-filtering tool. In fact : probably the best antivirus 
> toolkit ever.
> 
> Considering that about 30-40 % of all mailservers runs Linux 
> and can be presumed to filter out vira nearly 100 %,  the 
> shutdown of these capabilities would increase the virus-load 
> to about 60-70 % on those unhappy Windows users.
> 
> In short : Is Windows a virus ?
> 
> Kaj Haulrich.

There was a Star Trek Voyager episode one time that chronicled the
spread (onboard the ship) of a "macrovirus", which was an organism that
started out as a virus but then hijacked the resources of the crew's
bodies on the organ level (as opposed to the cellular level) in order to
produce mature macroviruses, which then were expelled from the bodies of
the crew, and had the power to fly about and travel airborne on their
own.  From there they would fly around and "bite" other crewmen, thus
exacerbating the infection cycle.

When I look at Windows, that is basically what it looks like to me; some
sort of computer macrovirus that hijacks your system's resources and
turns it into a host that's capable of producing or spreading more
viruses.  Compare this to a "normal" computer system running linux that
is NOT capable of hosting or spreading viruses.  The latter example is
the way that computing was meant to be in the beginning, before Bill
Gates threw his contamination across the computing world.

The Microsoft philosophies are more hidden than not hidden.  The fact
that Windows systems have always been vulnerable is not an accident; the
idea that a Windows system is or ever has been inherently capable of
safeguarding your data is laughable in the extreme.  If you realize and
accept this then you must also examine the corollary thesis that this
was on purpose.  Why?  Because everything a debugged program does, it
does on purpose.  A debugged program seldom does something that it was
not designed to do.

For instance the Linux kernel does not open ports 138 and 139 to the
internet every time you connect.  Why?  Because it was not designed to
do that!

On the other hand, the Winblows kernel *does* open ports 138 and 139 to
the internet every time you connect.  Why?  Because it was designed to
do so.  What do they do?  They listen for incoming connections, and will
accept a properly constructed incoming connect.  If a connection is
made, the system will not inform you of that fact or further will not
tell you what is going on while that connection is in place.  WHY? 
Because the software was not designed to do that.  Why?  Because
obviously the designers did NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.

So, Kaj, in answer to your question; yes, I think that winblows is a
virus; albeit a huge one, probably more accurately called a macrovirus. 
If you really want to get to an accurate anology, the whole winblows
macrovirus could most accurately be portrayed as a trojan horse.  The
reason is because of what a trojan horse does.

A trojan masquerades as a program that purports one purpose, but
actually has a hidden agenda or agendas.  In the case of winblows, it
proposes that it will act as a fair, correct, and proper steward of your
computing resources AND your data plus applications.  In fact it is
nothing of the sort and nothing could be further from the truth.  It is
NOT a proper steward of your computing resources (they are squandered),
it is NOT  a proper steward of your data (it is shared, corrupted,
distributed, or all three simultaneously) and it is NOT a proper steward
of your applications (which are prone to crash, either in the middle of
a game or application, losing data or savegames).

The blatantly corrupt system stewardship is only the icing on the cake,
however.  The real agenda of the trojan is to gather data and, in so
doing, control of a large segment of the world's financial resources.
Running your system's resources, playing Quake, and managing your data
are only incidental secondary events (or side benefits) that may or may
not happen. The real reason Microshaft is squirming so hard when
countries like Peru, Brazil, or Germany decide to go Linux is because
not only do they lose revenue, but more importantly they lose the data
reports that those systems can give.  Reports that can include what
people are buying, what people are reading, what people are doing.  With
that "insider trading" information, Microshaft can make investments that
are commiserant with that data and thus diversify, widening their
financial base and thus their stranglehold.

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Re: [newbie] Microshot in the foot ?

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:31 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:


> It's getting time to start war - if M$ ain't going to play
> nicely, then there are going to be 100% more
> virus/trojan/macro attacks - at least that seems to be the
> trend...


No need to start a war, Stephen. The war is on. By accusing IBM 
and the whole Open Source Community of stealing, SCO (read : 
M$) insulted every decent *netizen* in the world, including 
me.

As you may have noticed, I never participated in the general 
Microsoft-bashing. The reason : I never used windows. My only 
experience with it stems from my kids, who bought PC's with 
the thingy preinstalled. I helped them wipe the dirt and get 
their PCs operational. (Afterwards they used the Windows-CD's 
for rifle-practice).

At my work, the so-called *IT-department* knows next to nothing 
about IT, so they insist that I shall have something called 
*Windows 2000 Professional* on my office-PC. I tried to use it 
for a few days, but I don't think the taxpayers pay me for 
sitting on my ass rebooting PC's, staring on pop-up adds and 
blue screens of death (I happen to be a surgeon). Accordingly, 
I threw a Knoppix-CD into the cupholder, did some configuring 
and never touched the harddisk thereafter.

But that is history. From now on you can count me in the army. 
I'll use everything at my disposal to miscredit, sabotage and 
boycott Microsoft. I have great admiration for the United 
States of America, but it is beyond me how this great nation 
can tolerate that gang of crooks ?

And - if Microsoft wants to augment the virus-pressure, should 
we feel pity for those poor windows-users ? - I think no : by 
purchasing from criminals they asked for it.

May the source be with us.

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Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 10:37, JoeHill wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2003 10:16:29 +1000
> Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> 
> > Sounds like the file system is corrupt.  Have you tried fsck on this
> > partition?
> 
> everything else is fine. only that directory is screwed. I am not
> familiar with fsck, but from the man page it seems to be a big stick for
> a little problem. one thing I am not clear on, is there any way like
> fsck to just apply to the affected directory?

Have you tried to rename that directory, or move the contents of that
directory elsewhere, then delete the directory, then recreate the
directory and move all the old contents back into it?

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Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma

[JoeHill]

On 15 Jun 2003 10:16:29 +1000
Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Sounds like the file system is corrupt.  Have you tried fsck on this
> partition?

everything else is fine. only that directory is screwed. I am not
familiar with fsck, but from the man page it seems to be a big stick for
a little problem. one thing I am not clear on, is there any way like
fsck to just apply to the affected directory?

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Re: [newbie] gkrellm

[Dennis Myers]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:53 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:54 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
> > This is one of those rare instances where you  may have to reboot, I can
> > not find a way for the plugins to activate without a reboot. Same with
> > lm_sensors. HTH
>
> Actually, I've been able to get it to work after installing by (as root)
> doing:
>
> /etc/rc.d/rc.local
>
> Seems to work here.
Thanks for sharing that Ron, next time I will try doing that. Civileme always 
said that there is no reason to have to reboot in linux. Easy for him to say, 
cause he knows stuff that only  he and Linus have talked about, betcha. 
Howsomever, your tip above is proof he is probably right.
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Re: [newbie] gkrellm

[Dennis Myers]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 05:25 pm, Chris wrote:
> On Saturday 14 June 2003 07:54 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
> > This is one of those rare instances where you  may have to reboot, I can
> > not find a way for the plugins to activate without a reboot. Same with
> > lm_sensors. HTH
>
> Dennis, got lm_sensors installed, got the gkrellm sensor plugin installed,
> setup, but temp/fan readings aren't correct.  If I run 'sensors' from the
> cl I get:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] chris]$ sensors
>  SDRAM Size (MB):128
>
> eeprom-i2c-0-51
> Adapter: SMBus Via Pro adapter at 5000
> Algorithm: Non-I2C SMBus adapter
> Memory type:SDRAM DIMM SPD
> SDRAM Size (MB):128
>
> Which I know is wrong for the temp and probably for the voltages.  The
> memory reported is wrong, I have 256mb ram. When I rebooted awhile ago the
> cpu temp reported by the bios was 104F.  Checking processes it shows
> lm_sensors is running and it shows start at boot.  Another question I have
> is at the end of setting up lm_sensors it tells me to copy
> prog/init/lm_sensors.init to /etc/rc.d/init.d/lm_sensors can't find
> prog/init/lm_sensors but I guess since it did start at boot that this isn't
> necessary.  My cpu info is an AMD 1.2Ghz T-Bird
>
> So, bottom line, where have I screwed up my setup?
>
> Thanks for any help
Actually I have the message after install to copy to /etc/rc.* and modules 
config.  What I did was a cut and paste of the text between the lines and 
paste the /etc/rc.* stuff into  /etc/rc.d/rc.local   paste it in right after 
the first paragraph .  Then the stuff that it shows as pasting to 
modules.conf  I do the same cut and paste of the relevent text only ,  in 
other words the stuff between the lines. Put it in /etc/modules.conf.   I 
like kedit as my editor but to do this you have to open a console and at the 
prompt type in 'su' and then give the root password, then at the prompt type 
"kedit" and then in the small gui click on the open file folder icon and 
navigate to the /etc directory to make the changes above.  You do need to do 
this so that it reads the sensors correctly.  If need be do the 
sensors-detect as su again and it will take you through the whole set up once 
again.  Once this is done you can adjust the sensors reading by changing the 
factor number to a decimal point value.  Say to cut the temp reading in half 
just change the factor number to  .5000   and so on.  4 decimal place 
adjustments can put you right on for starters but these readings are not 4 
decimal places accurate. Look at them as aproximate and play it safe.  HTH
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Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma

[Greg Meyer]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 07:25 pm, JoeHill wrote:

>
> Any way out of this? I just want to delete the dir and start over. I
> cannot even delete the parent dir!
>
> Any help appreciated, as always.

First thing I would do is boot up with wither the rescue cd or something like 
knoppix and run fsck on the partition in question to make sure the filesystem 
is not corrupt, or if it is, to fix it.  It sounds like the segfault happened 
in the middle of a write operation that was going on.
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Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma

[Brian Parish]

On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 09:25, JoeHill wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I ripped some cd tracks to make a cd for a friend "chris".
> 
> I ran "normalize -m * in the dir ~/mp3/chris, and it segfaulted part
> of the way through.
> 
> Now, if I try to even list the contents of the dir, the shell freezes,
> ctrl-c will not get me out.
> 
> I tried rm -rf ~/mp3/chris, it freezes too, and again I cannot ctrl-c
> out of it. Same as root, why I thought that would work, I don't know,
> LOL.
> 
> Any way out of this? I just want to delete the dir and start over. I
> cannot even delete the parent dir!
> 
> Any help appreciated, as always.
Sounds like the file system is corrupt.  Have you tried fsck on this
partition?

HTH
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Re: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?

[g]

rikona wrote:

I don't seem to have one of these. Is MD supposed to come set up with
one?
my x desktop is built from accumulation of past distribs that i carry
to new installs. icon for 'linux documents' is from somewhere around
md 6.

I was going to set up a link, but I don't seem to have the dir
'/usr/share/doc/mandrake/en/index.html'. Did I not install something?
good question. i am still with md 9.0, as i have problems with md 9.1 dl.

When I'm hungry[desperate for a quick solution], feeding is nice. :-)
true, but when someone feeds you, do you look around on your own to find
desert? like, more info about what you are in question about? or do you
just accept answers with out further research?
Your short summary would be a good beginning for a 'HOW TO find info',
though. Might be very worthwhile for newbies.
my knowledge gained is from having been in unix from 70's and 80's. over time,
what i have learned is from a lot of reading of books, man pages and howto's.
from what i have noted in a lot of newbie questions, many questions are asked
because newbies do not take enough time, of put fort enough effort to find out
how linux works on their own. no reflection on anyone, just something that comes
about from way things are when someone is an ms windows user. ms windows is, with
out question, easier than x-windows. linux is not ms and hopefully never will be.
always remember, you get out of something what you are willing to put into it.
if you take an easy way by asking questions with out first looking for answers,
a day will come when you are in dire need of help, and no way to connect.
another is, i believe, that newbies have a tendency to try to 'keep up with
jones' by installing and updating every time there is a new release. what is
gained, is how to do installs and updates and nothing is learned about how and
what of systems themselves.
what would be of great help for newbies, is for replies to point newbies in a
direction to help themselves.
how many times have you seen answers given without any refs to man, info, or
howto's? much less hot links to places to find further info. tech lists have
become more of a 'quick answer' than they are true tech support learning place.
as for apropos, i have never found it to be all that helpful when it does work.

peace out.

tc,hago.

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Re: [newbie] harddrive activity every few seconds?

[Kaj Haulrich]

> On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 19:49, eric huff wrote:
> > About every 4-5 seconds i get a small blip of harddrive
> > activity.  On gkrellm it shows up usu as 66K, sometimes
> > 106K.
> >
> > Any idea what this is?  I can't find any logs that are
> > being updated this often.
> >
> > I'm running ML 9.1, with ReiserFS, if that helps.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > eric

Eric, if it's a small blip only, I guess that's the *sync* 
function doing its job. Nothing to worry about.

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Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 22:25, Gareth Qually wrote:
> I need an e-mail program that will not only work in linux and windows 2000,
> but also share data. The result I want to get is to be able to have the data
> shared across the two OS's. Anyone know of a program thatdoes this?
> 
> Ciao
> 
> Gareth Qually

That's truly pushing the limits mate.
Try Netscape 7.0+ mail or Mozilla mail.

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Re: [newbie] harddrive activity every few seconds?

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 19:49, eric huff wrote:
> About every 4-5 seconds i get a small blip of harddrive activity.  On 
> gkrellm it shows up usu as 66K, sometimes 106K.
> 
> Any idea what this is?  I can't find any logs that are being updated this 
> often.
> 
> I'm running ML 9.1, with ReiserFS, if that helps.
> 
> Thanks,
> eric

It could be swap, could be even gKrellm itself reading the drives - have
you checked what processes are running? Have you setup your params for
your drive(s) with hdparm for read/write caching?

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Re: [newbie] Spontaneous desktop switching

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 08:16, Miark wrote:
> I'm using Texstar's KDE 3.1.2. Every once in a while, the desktop
> will switch to another desktop by itself. I can't see any pattern
> to it either, so I don't know what's triggering it. Any ideas?
> 
> Miark

Is it switching to a specific desktop, or a random desktop? The reason
I'm asking is if there's an application that becomes "focused" on a
particular desktop, it could cause KDE to switch to that particular
desktop...

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Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?

[Derek Jennings]

On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:53:14 +0100
Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 8:47 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
> > On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 8:33 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > Derek - the old netscape versions allowed you to specify where
> > > your mail was kept.  I haven't seen any way of doing it with
> > > netscape6 and later or mozilla.  Is it there?
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > I have no idea since I use neither. But hasn't there been a
> > discussion recently about the use of symlinks?
> >
> > derek
> 
> OK - I'm thick.  How would a symlink put the data onto a fat32 
> partition, or alternatively, how could you persuade mozilla to use a 
> symlink under your home to put the data on the fat32 partition?
> 
> Anne

Make a folder(or file) on a FAT32 partition for mail, and create a symlink from there 
to the location Mozilla is expecting to find its mail in. 
Mozilla will neither know nor care that that one file was on a Fat32 partition.

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Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid

[revolt]

Ralph Bagwell wrote:

Thanks a lot Joe BUT:

I have the program running but can only get AOL to work. I have only two
options AOL/ICQ and TOC (whatever that is) as proocols available,.
I was unable to follow your instructions on setting up the urpmi deal.

But I now know how to make the amsn program run - which gives me MSN use -
although I have been unable to execute the program like I think you are
supposed to - nor can I put an icon on the desktop for it - I do have an
icon for gaim.
ralph

O.K. sorry if I am telling you stuff you know already but...

To become the root user open a terminal/console window and type: su

when prompted give your password for the root user/super user (su)

then copy and paste this line into your command line:
urpmi.addmedia texstar 
ftp://ftp.bahcesehir.edu.tr/pub/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms with hdlist.cz
hit enter...

wait till texstar is setup as a source for urpmi

then type: urpmi gaim

After downloading, you will be told that: the following packages have 
bad signatures:
...gaim-0.64-1tex.i586.rpm

You DO want to continue installation, type y and enter, the signature is 
only bad because you don't have urpmi set up with the proper gpg 
signatures for this source.

Now assuming that works you should have the updated version of gaim 
ready to use, including the MSN protocol.

HTH,  joe


 

I use a program called gaim to chat with people on MSN, it comes with
MDK9.1 but i found it easier to install a newer version that had the msn
plug-in installed (rather than mess around with the version that comes
with mandrake 9.1).
make sure you have urpmi set up properly with texstar as a source, this
page can help with that: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php
then (as root) type into a console: urpmi gaim

then (using the updated version of gaim you will find under
networking/instant messaging in the kde menu) it is pretty fool proof to
set up an account and chat with people on MSN (click on accounts, select
add, choose msn as protocol, put in a user name and password, and viola!)
To get the icon on the desktop in KDE click 'n drag gaim from instant
messaginge menu to the desktop. When given the option choose "link here".
From one newb to another, hope this helps. Joe.

   



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Re: [newbie] Microshot in the foot ?

[Robin Turner]

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:52 pm, Robin Turner wrote:

Kaj Haulrich wrote:

Recently we had a discussion on virus (pluralis : vira).
Sorry to be pedantic, but the plural of "virus" in English
is "viruses". The -a suffix is the plural for, IIRC, second
declension neuter nouns. If you want the Latin plural, it's
"viri" (NOT "virii" - that would ony be the case if the
singular were "virius").
Latin is a horrible language.


OK Stephen and sir Robin, thanks for the correction. 
Nevertheless it still puzzles me, why M$ pulls those 
virus-filters off the net ? One could say that Linux 
mailservers with RAV on them act like vacuumcleaners in a very 
dusty room (the Net). By turning them off all the viri in the 
world will hit those windows-boxes like flies are attracted to 
other kinds of s***. 
Good point. Why should people running Linux go out of their way to 
protect people running Windows?

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[newbie] The Mysterious Vanishing Title Bar

[Glenn]

Can anybody tell me whether there's an easy way to recover the title bars
for my apps in MDK 9.1?  I got into a fix where I had a couple of Konsole
sessions that wouldn't "kill", and the process of attempting to kill them
made the title bar non-existent on every application I opened thereafter
(and even after a clean restart of the machine), and apps are non-movable.
Menu selections are still available.  Additionally, of course the
minimize/maximize/and close icons are gone.  Any help for a newbie (even
after four months)??

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Re: [newbie] gkrellm

[Chris]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 07:54 am, Dennis Myers wrote:

>
> This is one of those rare instances where you  may have to reboot, I can
> not find a way for the plugins to activate without a reboot. Same with
> lm_sensors. HTH

Dennis, got lm_sensors installed, got the gkrellm sensor plugin installed, 
setup, but temp/fan readings aren't correct.  If I run 'sensors' from the cl 
I get:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] chris]$ sensors
lm80-i2c-0-2d
Adapter: SMBus Via Pro adapter at 5000
Algorithm: Non-I2C SMBus adapter
+5V:   +4.55 V  (min =  +4.74 V, max =  +0.00 V)   ALARM
VTT:   +1.64 V  (min =  +1.90 V, max =  +2.10 V)   ALARM
+3.3V: +2.50 V  (min =  +3.13 V, max =  +3.46 V)   ALARM
+Vcore:+3.01 V  (min =  +1.80 V, max =  +1.99 V)   ALARM
+12V: +13.26 V  (min = +11.37 V, max = +12.57 V)   ALARM
-12V:  -9.56 V  (min = -12.41 V, max = -11.20 V)
-5V:   -3.77 V  (min =  -5.16 V, max =  -4.64 V)   ALARM
fan1: 10629 RPM  (min = 6000 RPM, div = 1)
fan2: 9642 RPM  (min = 6000 RPM, div = 1)
temp: +127.00 °C (hot:limit =  +6°C,  hysteresis =  +5°C) ALARM
 (os: limit =  +6°C,  hysteresis =  +5°C) ALARM
alarms:   Board temperature input (LM75)   ALARM
alarms:   Chassis intrusion detection  ALARM

eeprom-i2c-0-50
Adapter: SMBus Via Pro adapter at 5000
Algorithm: Non-I2C SMBus adapter
Memory type:SDRAM DIMM SPD
SDRAM Size (MB):128

eeprom-i2c-0-51
Adapter: SMBus Via Pro adapter at 5000
Algorithm: Non-I2C SMBus adapter
Memory type:SDRAM DIMM SPD
SDRAM Size (MB):128

Which I know is wrong for the temp and probably for the voltages.  The memory 
reported is wrong, I have 256mb ram. When I rebooted awhile ago the cpu temp 
reported by the bios was 104F.  Checking processes it shows lm_sensors is 
running and it shows start at boot.  Another question I have is at the end of 
setting up lm_sensors it tells me to copy prog/init/lm_sensors.init to 
/etc/rc.d/init.d/lm_sensors can't find prog/init/lm_sensors but I guess since 
it did start at boot that this isn't necessary.  My cpu info is an AMD 1.2Ghz 
T-Bird

So, bottom line, where have I screwed up my setup?

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[newbie] Spontaneous desktop switching

[Miark]

I'm using Texstar's KDE 3.1.2. Every once in a while, the desktop
will switch to another desktop by itself. I can't see any pattern
to it either, so I don't know what's triggering it. Any ideas?

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Re: [newbie] Microshot in the foot ?

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:52 pm, Robin Turner wrote:
> Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > Recently we had a discussion on virus (pluralis : vira).
>
> Sorry to be pedantic, but the plural of "virus" in English
> is "viruses". The -a suffix is the plural for, IIRC, second
> declension neuter nouns. If you want the Latin plural, it's
> "viri" (NOT "virii" - that would ony be the case if the
> singular were "virius").
>
> Latin is a horrible language.

OK Stephen and sir Robin, thanks for the correction. 
Nevertheless it still puzzles me, why M$ pulls those 
virus-filters off the net ? One could say that Linux 
mailservers with RAV on them act like vacuumcleaners in a very 
dusty room (the Net). By turning them off all the viri in the 
world will hit those windows-boxes like flies are attracted to 
other kinds of s***. 

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Re: [newbie] Run oldrer MD programs in 9.1?

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:18 pm, rikona wrote:

>
> Where did you get that? I can't find a Mandrake rpm for 9.1
> anywhere.


As far as I remember, I used http://rpmfind.net to get hold of 
it. Can't remember the FTP address, though.

HTH
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Re: [newbie] Microshot in the foot ?

[Robin Turner]

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
Recently we had a discussion on virus (pluralis : vira).
Sorry to be pedantic, but the plural of "virus" in English is "viruses". 
The -a suffix is the plural for, IIRC, second declension neuter nouns. 
If you want the Latin plural, it's "viri" (NOT "virii" - that would ony 
be the case if the singular were "virius").

Latin is a horrible language.

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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Run oldrer MD programs in 9.1?

[Inhabitant of Zion]

Hi

Mind you there is a list of dependencies as long as your arm... all the best! ROTFL

John

. ,snip>
> 
> KH> Why not use the newest version ? -I have kstars 0.9.1 running 
> KH> fine on my 9.1 box.
> 
> Where did you get that? I can't find a Mandrake rpm for 9.1 anywhere.
> 


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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Run oldrer MD programs in 9.1?

[Inhabitant of Zion]

Hi

Its on the club site:

http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/mandrake/9.1/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/kdeedu-3.1-5mdk.i586.html

John

. ,snip>
> 
> KH> Why not use the newest version ? -I have kstars 0.9.1 running 
> KH> fine on my 9.1 box.
> 
> Where did you get that? I can't find a Mandrake rpm for 9.1 anywhere.
> 


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[newbie] USB Flash disk

[Aron Smith]

Bought one of those little usb pendrives M9.1 reconizes it but it is read only 
any body know how to reset it to r/w ?

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Re[2]: [newbie] Run oldrer MD programs in 9.1?

[rikona]

Hello Derek,

Saturday, June 14, 2003, 12:45:33 PM, you wrote:

DJ> Kstars is in the kdeedu package Just run urpmi kdeedu

"no package"

DJ> If you ever wnat to know which package an application is in just run urpmq

"no package"

DJ> and  urpmf

I get docs, etc for just about any language you can think of, but no
pgm. :-)

DJ> As for running old packages. It would almost certainly not work. In fact you 
DJ> would be lucky if it even installed without being forced. The Unix philosophy 
DJ> is for applications to share libraries (ro keep them small) . If kstars 
DJ> needed a library which was incompatible with the ones on your system it would 
DJ> refuse to install. 

A suse version did fail - it needed an older lib.

About this time, I thought I may not have kdeedu installed, so I got
it from the Club. Kstars is now working well (no crashes so far). :-)

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Re: [newbie] I borked my boot partition..

[Eric Huff]

fsck won't save my /boot partition: bad superblock.

At this point, i think i should fdisk hda6 and copy the /boot from knoppix 
over to it.

Does this make sense?

Or should i let the install cd format that section, and do a mini install?

Thanks for any advice,
eric

On Saturday 14 June 2003 09:08 am, Richard Urwin wrote:
> On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 3:41 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
> > When i get knoppix going, what do i do with the partition?
> > I assume i would start with fsck?
>
> That'll be a good guess. It sort of depends on what you find.
>
> > If i can't recover the /boot partition, can i just copy the /boot files
> > from my other box that's runing ML9.1?
>
> That's straying into expert terratory. I would guess that the vanilla MDK
> kernel would run OK, more likely if both systems were installed using
> similar options. It's certainly worth trying as I imagine your other
> options are limited. If it fails try booting failsafe mode and you might be
> able to rebuild the kernel.
>
> If you can repair enough you should be able to get the repair option to run
> off the MDK CDs.
>
> Otherwise I would backup everything and reinstall.


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Re[2]: [newbie] Run oldrer MD programs in 9.1?

[rikona]

Hello Kaj,

Saturday, June 14, 2003, 12:37:25 PM, you wrote:

KH> On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:36 pm, rikona wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I found an old version of kstars for MD versions up to 8,
>> and the RPM is still available. Would it run in 9.1, or is
>> it likely to cause problems?

KH> Why not use the newest version ? -I have kstars 0.9.1 running 
KH> fine on my 9.1 box.

Where did you get that? I can't find a Mandrake rpm for 9.1 anywhere.

I found a suse rpm for kstars 0.9.1, and thought I'd try it, but it
wants libpng.so.2, and fails to install. I have a later version on my
machine [so.3].

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Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?

[Gareth Qually]

Thanks for that Eric, i will study up on that.
Ciao

Gareth Qually

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Subject: Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?


> On Saturday 14 June 2003 09:03 am, Gareth Qually wrote:
> > Thanks Greg and Derek, I was sleeping, didn't think of the two most
> > obvious. Derek you say I should use a FAT32 partition, but my Linux
> > partition sees my NTFS, so that should be ok right?
>
> Since you are planning ahead, you definitely want linux writing to fat32,
not
> ntfs.  As far as i've read and heard on these lists, writing to ntfs is
> experimental at best.
>
> eric
>
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Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 8:47 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
> On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 8:33 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Derek - the old netscape versions allowed you to specify where
> > your mail was kept.  I haven't seen any way of doing it with
> > netscape6 and later or mozilla.  Is it there?
> >
> > Anne
>
> I have no idea since I use neither. But hasn't there been a
> discussion recently about the use of symlinks?
>
> derek

OK - I'm thick.  How would a symlink put the data onto a fat32 
partition, or alternatively, how could you persuade mozilla to use a 
symlink under your home to put the data on the fat32 partition?

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Re: [newbie] gkrellm

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:54 am, Dennis Myers wrote:

> This is one of those rare instances where you  may have to reboot, I can
> not find a way for the plugins to activate without a reboot. Same with
> lm_sensors. HTH

Actually, I've been able to get it to work after installing by (as root) 
doing:

/etc/rc.d/rc.local

Seems to work here.

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Re: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 7:54 pm, rikona wrote:
> F> The New twikis work too. :D
>
> What's a twiki?

It;s a community owned and edited site.  Ours is at

http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/WebHome

Browse around, there's a surprising amount there already, and it's 
growing fast.  There's also a NewbieFriendly page, with links that 
aim specifically to help newbies.

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Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?

[Derek Jennings]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 8:33 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 3:31 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
> > On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 2:13 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
> > > On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:25 am, Gareth Qually wrote:
> > > > I need an e-mail program that will not only work in linux and
> > > > windows 2000, but also share data. The result I want to get is
> > > > to be able to have the data shared across the two OS's. Anyone
> > > > know of a program thatdoes this?
> > >
> > > Try something first that has both a Windows and a Linux version,
> > > like mozilla.
> >
> > and of course keep your mails on a FAT32 partition so both Windows
> > and Linux clients can read them.
>
> Derek - the old netscape versions allowed you to specify where your
> mail was kept.  I haven't seen any way of doing it with netscape6 and
> later or mozilla.  Is it there?
>
> Anne


I have no idea since I use neither. But hasn't there been a discussion 
recently about the use of symlinks?

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Re: [newbie] Run oldrer MD programs in 9.1?

[Derek Jennings]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 7:36 pm, rikona wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I found an old version of kstars for MD versions up to 8, and the RPM
> is still available. Would it run in 9.1, or is it likely to cause
> problems?

Kstars is in the kdeedu package Just run 
urpmi kdeedu

If you ever wnat to know which package an application is in just run urpmq and 
urpmf

As for running old packages. It would almost certainly not work. In fact you 
would be lucky if it even installed without being forced. The Unix philosophy 
is for applications to share libraries (ro keep them small) . If kstars 
needed a library which was incompatible with the ones on your system it would 
refuse to install. 
The exception is packages which are 'statically linked' so they contain all 
the libraries they need (and are therefore larger)

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Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 3:31 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
> On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 2:13 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
> > On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:25 am, Gareth Qually wrote:
> > > I need an e-mail program that will not only work in linux and
> > > windows 2000, but also share data. The result I want to get is
> > > to be able to have the data shared across the two OS's. Anyone
> > > know of a program thatdoes this?
> >
> > Try something first that has both a Windows and a Linux version,
> > like mozilla.
>
> and of course keep your mails on a FAT32 partition so both Windows
> and Linux clients can read them.
>
Derek - the old netscape versions allowed you to specify where your 
mail was kept.  I haven't seen any way of doing it with netscape6 and 
later or mozilla.  Is it there?

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Run oldrer MD programs in 9.1?

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:36 pm, rikona wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I found an old version of kstars for MD versions up to 8,
> and the RPM is still available. Would it run in 9.1, or is
> it likely to cause problems?

Why not use the newest version ? -I have kstars 0.9.1 running 
fine on my 9.1 box.

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Re: [newbie] I borked my boot partition.. (Hijacked)

[Poogle]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 H:07 pm, Poogle wrote:
> On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 H:30 pm, Jan Wilson wrote:
> > * Poogle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030614 08:24]:
> > > Always assuming that Knoppix runs on your system, I have it and while
> > > it runs with no problem on my laptop, it doesn't like either the Flat
> > > Panel or the onboard sis630 on my PC, I can't even get it to run in
> > > text mode - just an "out of range" message from my monitor. Having said
> > > that I've not tried very hard yet.
> >
> > Is that a recent version of Knoppix?  I have found Knoppix to be
> > excellent at recognizing hardware that other software stumbles over.
> > If Mandrake doesn't catch it, I try Knoppix and get the info from the
> > XF86Config-4 or whatever.
>
> It's 3.2 from a coverdisc, I was surprised that it had no problems with my
> laptop and it's neomagic video/audio which IIRC earlier versions of
> Mandrake did, but then it failed on my PC, or perhaps I would be more
> correct in saying my PC failed it.
> Having had a quick look at the Knoppix forums it appears that some flat
> panels or flat panel/graphics card combinations do not work well but there
> are "cheats" as they refer to them to get them working, as I said I've not
> really looked at it , when I have time I will set about it properly.


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ctrl>alt>+/- and I got a viewable screen so at least I know it works,I've 
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Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 2:57 pm, Ralph Bagwell wrote:
> Sure thing. My smb.conf file is at /etc/samba/  . It says under
> [printers] "path = /var/spool/samba" and yes my jobs are there.
>
> It also says "workgroup =  MDKGROUP" under  [global]
>
> Is this file editable? And does it "config" samba ?
>
It does, indeed.  The workgroup needs setting to whatever your windows 
boxes use, and remember that it's case sensitive.

I would definitely delete those jobs in the queue.  If they can't be 
processed for any reason they will block the queue for other jobs.  
If you are printing from a windows box, did you install the windows 
drivers on the box, or try to use cups?  Finally, the windows boxes 
probably have to have the output set to raw on the advanced 
tab/button.

How did you set up your samba configuration?  And how did you set up 
the printer sharing?  Can you remind us where you want to print from 
and to?

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Re[9]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

[rikona]

Hello stormjumper,

Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:57:57 PM, you wrote:

>> That seemed to bring down everything - ssh remote quit responding,
>> could not log back in, no keys worked anywhere.

s> i'm sorry to hear that. i've just tried, and killing the pid of
s> startx brought down everything running on X.

I tried a few things WITHOUT the crash, and they seemed to work, but
not when I had the 'stellarium' crash. It might be that there was
something else going on when stellarium crashed/froze x. stellarium
crashed often enough that it was easy to check out. :-)

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Re[2]: [newbie] How to create a symbolic link?

[rikona]

Hello g,

Thursday, June 12, 2003, 4:19:14 PM, you wrote:

> if he did not have an icon 'linux documents'

I don't seem to have one of these. Is MD supposed to come set up with
one? I was going to set up a link, but I don't seem to have the dir
'/usr/share/doc/mandrake/en/index.html'. Did I not install something?

g> all of which goes to show that anyone can feed someone an answer to
g> a question, or teach someone how to find answers. :P

When I'm hungry[desperate for a quick solution], feeding is nice. :-)

Your short summary would be a good beginning for a 'HOW TO find info',
though. Might be very worthwhile for newbies.

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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 3:20 pm, Jan Wilson wrote:
> * Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030614 07:02]:
> > Yes - I had done that before, but it appears to be a hard link,
> > not a soft one, which is why I started again with ln -s.
>
> No, it isn't a link at all, in the sense of ln or ln -s ... it's
> just a KDE config file.



Thanks, Jan.  That's a lot clearer.   It seems I needn't have bothered 
at all, but then I wouldn't have learned anything, would I? :-)

I shall, after consulting your explanations (which I have printed 
out), use links with much more confidence now.

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Re: [newbie] I borked my boot partition.. (Hijacked)

[Poogle]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 H:30 pm, Jan Wilson wrote:
> * Poogle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030614 08:24]:
> > Always assuming that Knoppix runs on your system, I have it and while it
> > runs with no problem on my laptop, it doesn't like either the Flat Panel
> > or the onboard sis630 on my PC, I can't even get it to run in text mode -
> > just an "out of range" message from my monitor. Having said that I've not
> > tried very hard yet.
>
> Is that a recent version of Knoppix?  I have found Knoppix to be
> excellent at recognizing hardware that other software stumbles over.
> If Mandrake doesn't catch it, I try Knoppix and get the info from the
> XF86Config-4 or whatever.

It's 3.2 from a coverdisc, I was surprised that it had no problems with my 
laptop and it's neomagic video/audio which IIRC earlier versions of Mandrake 
did, but then it failed on my PC, or perhaps I would be more correct in 
saying my PC failed it.
Having had a quick look at the Knoppix forums it appears that some flat panels 
or flat panel/graphics card combinations do not work well but there are 
"cheats" as they refer to them to get them working, as I said I've not really 
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Re[7]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

[rikona]

Hello Tom,

Thursday, June 12, 2003, 10:54:10 AM, you wrote:

>> That's exactly what I did, but it didn't kill it. I'd run top, get
>> the PID, exit top, kill it, go back to top, and it's still there.
>> Any idea why?

TB>Usually I start with a 'killall '  If that doesn't get 
TB> it done I run 'wpid ' to get the pid(s) and then 
TB> 'kill -9' all the relevant pid's.   (alias wpid='ps aux | grep')

When I ran kill -9 x, it seemed to disable the entire machine. I
couldn't log on remotely anymore, and nothing else responded. Should
there be something still running when x is killed ungracefully, or is
that just inviting a crash?

I tried running ps aux | grep appname, but it gives me an error. Does
linux treat alises as (some alias) appname?

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Re[8]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

[rikona]

Hello FemmeFatale,

Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 5:08:14 PM, you wrote:

F> I hate "man" pages...with a passion... they weren't meant as
F> tutorials...as such they suck.  They are terse, capable but like
F> the military very  practical.  Rely on web stuff if you can more
F> often for how-tos & "i'm an  idiot but heres how this works..."
F> guides.

I find, for me, the best kind of reference is in between the man pages
and the how-to's, with a bit more details about the various things
that often seem to go wrong. Not many of these around. I quite
recently found one regarding samba setup in the Mandrake Campus
section, though. If I had seen it when I was setting up samba, it
would have been very helpful.

F> The New twikis work too. :D

What's a twiki?

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Re[7]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

[rikona]

Hello Stephen,

Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 4:19:25 PM, you wrote:

SK> On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 04:41, rikona wrote:

>> That's exactly what I did, but it didn't kill it. I'd run top, get the
>> PID, exit top, kill it, go back to top, and it's still there. Any idea
>> why?

SK> It's probably easier to run pstree and see what is linked to the
SK> process, then kill all the bits tied to the process...

Another interesting command. :-) When I run it, I get a nice tree, but
'x' is not listed. 'x' does appear when I run top. I do get kdeinit,
and it has under it the various things open on the desktop. Is x
'hidden' inside kde? Also, I get a 14*[kdeinit]. Does this mean that I
have 14 instances of kde running?

I got a book "Unix and X command compendium", since I didn't see a
good listing of commands in other books. It is good - BUT - it has
more than 2,200 commands documented! No wonder *nix is so confusing to
newbies. One could spend a good while just trying out all the
commands. :-)

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[newbie] fubaring my system

[Aron Smith]

OK you clowns are gonna laugh at this
I finaly upgraded to 9.1  although the consumption of too many adult 
beverages combined with a lack of sleep lead me to doing a full install 
instead of an upgrade. Luckly all i lost was the 15 Gb of ?? (hell I didn't 
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Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?

[Eric Huff]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 09:03 am, Gareth Qually wrote:
> Thanks Greg and Derek, I was sleeping, didn't think of the two most
> obvious. Derek you say I should use a FAT32 partition, but my Linux
> partition sees my NTFS, so that should be ok right?

Since you are planning ahead, you definitely want linux writing to fat32, not 
ntfs.  As far as i've read and heard on these lists, writing to ntfs is 
experimental at best.

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[newbie] Run oldrer MD programs in 9.1?

[rikona]

Hello,

I found an old version of kstars for MD versions up to 8, and the RPM
is still available. Would it run in 9.1, or is it likely to cause
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[newbie] Furbaring my system

[Aron Smith]

well I did it updated from 9.0 to 9.1 unfortunely I was trying to upgrade and 
the Adult beverages got inthe way so I lost everything. Oh well didn't need 
that 15Gb of archived e-mail anyway. My system is fast now.

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Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?

[Aron Smith]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 05:25 am, Gareth Qually wrote:
that sounds like ximian connector to me
www.ximian.com
> I need an e-mail program that will not only work in linux and windows 2000,
> but also share data. The result I want to get is to be able to have the
> data shared across the two OS's. Anyone know of a program thatdoes this?
>
> Ciao
>
> Gareth Qually
>
> www.slowlymakingsmoke.com


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Re: [newbie] gkrellm

[Dennis Myers]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 01:20 pm, Chris wrote:
> On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:08 am, JoeHill wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:48:39 -0500
> >
> > Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > > When trying
> > > to install the plugins from my 9.0 cds I get "everything installed"
> >
> > IIRC, this is a bug in 9.0, you may need to use the software manager in
> > MCC
>
> Just tried that Joe, if the gkrellm-plugins is checked I get everything
> installed, if its not checked the install goes ok, but no plugins.
This is one of those rare instances where you  may have to reboot, I can not 
find a way for the plugins to activate without a reboot. Same with 
lm_sensors. HTH
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Re: [newbie] Texstar' version of KDE

[Miark]

One minuscule difference I noticed is Ctrl-U in Konq is a shortcut
for View Source, just as in Mozilla. But minuscule as it is, it's
really important to me!

Miark



On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:00:18 -0700
Rob Blomquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I just uploaded 3.1.2 from the Texstar site last night, and rebooted this 
> morning. The #1 change in my opinion is that xscreensavers is working 
> properly in KDE.
> 
> Otherwise, I have not seen much difference, and my machine is running the way 
> it was without any problems cropping up.
> 
> Rob
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] gkrellm

[Chris]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:08 am, JoeHill wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:48:39 -0500
>
> Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > When trying
> > to install the plugins from my 9.0 cds I get "everything installed"
>
> IIRC, this is a bug in 9.0, you may need to use the software manager in
> MCC

Just tried that Joe, if the gkrellm-plugins is checked I get everything 
installed, if its not checked the install goes ok, but no plugins.

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Re: [newbie] harddrive activity every few seconds?

[JoeHill]

On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 02:49:13 -0700
eric huff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Any idea what this is?  I can't find any logs that are being updated
> this often.

Run "top" and just watch for what might be acting up (should appear at
the top of the list every 4 or 5 seconds). Also check for any cron jobs
(can't imagine what might run that often, LOL), also, close all your
running apps, open them one at a time and see if one of them is
generating the activity. I've had this before myself, and it ended up
being something pretty innocuous (sp?).

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Re: [newbie] Texstar' version of KDE

[Rob Blomquist]

On Monday 09 June 2003 09:19 am, Keith Powell wrote:
> Sorry if this has been asked before, but I have been off the list for three
> weeks and can't find the answer in the archives.
>
> I am running KDE3.1.0 as came with 9.1, but I see that Texstar has a
> version 3.1.2.
>
> Are there many improvements in his version? I have only got a dial-up
> connection, so the download would take several hours and I want to be
> certain that it would be worth it.

I just uploaded 3.1.2 from the Texstar site last night, and rebooted this 
morning. The #1 change in my opinion is that xscreensavers is working 
properly in KDE.

Otherwise, I have not seen much difference, and my machine is running the way 
it was without any problems cropping up.

Rob

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Re: [newbie] Linux drver genius colorpage vivid III scanner

[Warren Post]

El dom, 08-06-2003 a las 12:27, Johan Scheepers escribió:
> Hi,
> I need linux driver for above scanner

The Genius ColorPage-Vivid series are rebadged Plustek products, so you
need drivers and instructions for Plustek scanners:

Drivers and general information:


Clear newbie friendly instructions:


> Anyway where is the best place to look for linux drivers

The manufacturer's web site is the place to start. Genius's web site
 provides links to Linux drivers for their
scanners. Failing that, try Google. Failing that, search the archives of
this list. I save all the posts to this list for that purpose. Failing
that, ask here.

Johan, I suggest you remove the Reply-to information from your email
client. When I started to reply to your query, my reply was addressed to
you personally and not to the newbie list.

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Re: [newbie] I borked my boot partition.. (Hijacked)

[Jan Wilson]

* Poogle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030614 08:24]:
> Always assuming that Knoppix runs on your system, I have it and while it runs 
> with no problem on my laptop, it doesn't like either the Flat Panel or the 
> onboard sis630 on my PC, I can't even get it to run in text mode - just an 
> "out of range" message from my monitor. Having said that I've not tried very 
> hard yet. 

Is that a recent version of Knoppix?  I have found Knoppix to be
excellent at recognizing hardware that other software stumbles over.
If Mandrake doesn't catch it, I try Knoppix and get the info from the
XF86Config-4 or whatever.

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Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems

[Dennis Myers]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:48 am, Nathan Coad wrote:
> It's not the router that's the problem.  All the other (admittedly
> windows) computers work fine, get ip addresses, resolve dns names, etc.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall
> Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 4:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
>
> On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:06 am, Nathan Coad wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I’ve just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows
> > 2000.  My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan
>
> (realtek
>
> > chipset RTL8101L).  Mandrake works fine with everything except for
>
> LAN.
>
> > I have a link light on the rj45 socket, so everything seems alright
> > there.
> > Where my problem is, is with pinging (or anything else) else computers
> > on my network.  We have a home network with a dlink router running
>
> dhcp,
>
> > and a win2k server running dns.
> > I initially set networking settings under mandrake to dhcp, but no ip
> > address was assigned.  Instead, on startup, eth0 assigned itself an ip
> > address in the 192.168 (I think) range, instead of the 10.0.0.0 range
> > setup on the network.
> > I’ve tried dhcp or static ip addressing, but no luck.  I’ve been using
> > the netconf utility under kde
> > Has anyone else had the same problems, or perhaps have some
>
> suggestions
>
> > as to what to do?
> > My /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 currently is:
> >
> > DEVICE="eth0"
> > BOOTPROTO="static"
> > BROADCAST="10.98.230.255"
> > IPADDR="10.98.230.5"
> > NETMASK="255.255.255.0"
> > ONBOOT="yes"
> > MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes
> > IPXNETNUM_802_2=""
> > IPXPRIMARY_802_2="no"
> > IPXACTIVE_802_2="no"
> > IPXNETNUM_802_3=""
> > IPXPRIMARY_802_3="no"
> > IPXACTIVE_802_3="no"
> > IPXNETNUM_ETHERII=""
> > IPXPRIMARY_ETHERII="no"
> > IPXACTIVE_ETHERII="no"
> > IPXNETNUM_SNAP=""
> > IPXPRIMARY_SNAP="no"
> > IPXACTIVE_SNAP="no"
> >
> > I really don’t know where all those ipx settings came from – I don’t
>
> use
>
> > IPX.
> >
> > Anyways, thanks in advance,
> > Nathan
>
> DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink
> router
> and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp
> LAN.
> I'm using DHCP here and it works fine.
Did you check and make sure that the firewall was not activated by default. 
You can check it in MCC. (Mandrake Control Center).  Look at "security"and 
then "firewall"  if firewall shows that it is running check the box for allow 
everything, and then see if you can access. If  you get on the internet, then 
I believe you can go back and uncheck the allow everything and the firewall 
will come back up but now it should not block access. HTH
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Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid

[Ralph Bagwell]

Really great help derek - thanks

ralph

> > How do I get an icon on the desktop that runs the program ?
>
> ./amsn   means run the application amsn which will be found in the current
> directory. It would also work if you typed /path/to/directory/amsn
>
> In Linux any file can be executable if the 'execute' file attribute bit is
> set. It does not need an .exe or .bin extension.
>
> If you are running KDE.To make a desktop icon just right click on desktop
and
> select CreateNew>Link to application
>
> If the app you want to run already has a menu item then just click on the
kde
> menu and drag/drop the menu entry onto the desktop.
>
> If you want to add a new menu item,  run menudrake from Mandrake Control
> Centre.
>
> derek
>
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Re: [newbie] gkrellm

[JoeHill]

On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:48:39 -0500
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> When trying 
> to install the plugins from my 9.0 cds I get "everything installed"

IIRC, this is a bug in 9.0, you may need to use the software manager in
MCC

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Re: [newbie] gkrellm

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:48 am, Chris wrote:
> Gkrellm is installed, however none of the plug-ins appear to be.  When
> trying to install the plugins from my 9.0 cds I get "everything installed".
>  The dir /usr/lib/gkrellm/plugins is empty which is where I assume they are
> supposed to be located.
>
> Any advice?

Do you have lm-sensors installed? If not install it. If you do, did you run 
(as root) sensors-detect? If not, run that and follow the prompts, with the 
instructions at the end carefully.

Lm-sensors/gkrellm works great here. (some of the stuff you can do will 
depends on your motherboard, btw).

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[newbie] Start your urpmi --updates!

[JoeHill]

http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/06/13/1114229

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Re: [newbie] I borked my boot partition..

[Richard Urwin]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 3:41 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
> When i get knoppix going, what do i do with the partition?
> I assume i would start with fsck?

That'll be a good guess. It sort of depends on what you find.

> If i can't recover the /boot partition, can i just copy the /boot files
> from my other box that's runing ML9.1?

That's straying into expert terratory. I would guess that the vanilla MDK 
kernel would run OK, more likely if both systems were installed using similar 
options. It's certainly worth trying as I imagine your other options are 
limited. If it fails try booting failsafe mode and you might be able to 
rebuild the kernel.

If you can repair enough you should be able to get the repair option to run 
off the MDK CDs.

Otherwise I would backup everything and reinstall.

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Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?

[Gareth Qually]

Thanks Greg and Derek, I was sleeping, didn't think of the two most obvious.
Derek you say I should use a FAT32 partition, but my Linux partition sees my
NTFS, so that should be ok right?

Ciao

Gareth Qually

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- Original Message -
From: "Derek Jennings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?


> On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 2:13 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
> > On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:25 am, Gareth Qually wrote:
> > > I need an e-mail program that will not only work in linux and windows
> > > 2000, but also share data. The result I want to get is to be able to
have
> > > the data shared across the two OS's. Anyone know of a program thatdoes
> > > this?
> >
> > Try something first that has both a Windows and a Linux version, like
> > mozilla.
>
> and of course keep your mails on a FAT32 partition so both Windows and
Linux
> clients can read them.
>
> (BTW: Opera7.11 also has a nice mail client which is Windows and Linux)
>
> derek
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Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid

[Ralph Bagwell]

Thanks a lot Joe BUT:

I have the program running but can only get AOL to work. I have only two
options AOL/ICQ and TOC (whatever that is) as proocols available,.

I was unable to follow your instructions on setting up the urpmi deal.

But I now know how to make the amsn program run - which gives me MSN use -
although I have been unable to execute the program like I think you are
supposed to - nor can I put an icon on the desktop for it - I do have an
icon for gaim.

ralph

> I use a program called gaim to chat with people on MSN, it comes with
> MDK9.1 but i found it easier to install a newer version that had the msn
> plug-in installed (rather than mess around with the version that comes
> with mandrake 9.1).
>
> make sure you have urpmi set up properly with texstar as a source, this
> page can help with that: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php
>
> then (as root) type into a console: urpmi gaim
>
> then (using the updated version of gaim you will find under
> networking/instant messaging in the kde menu) it is pretty fool proof to
> set up an account and chat with people on MSN (click on accounts, select
> add, choose msn as protocol, put in a user name and password, and viola!)
>
> To get the icon on the desktop in KDE click 'n drag gaim from instant
> messaginge menu to the desktop. When given the option choose "link here".
>
>
>  From one newb to another, hope this helps. Joe.
>
>
>
>






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Re: [newbie] I borked my boot partition.. (Hijacked)

[Poogle]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 H:53 pm, Richard Urwin wrote:
> On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 2:41 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
> > Well, when i reboot, i get kernel panic for no INIT=   (i think)
> > and when i "upgrade" i find that hda6 (which is where /boot is) has
> > errors that the install cd can't fix.
> >
> > Ok, so what should i do now?  I have heard people on the list say it is
> > not necessary to put  /boot on it's own part, so feel free to suggest any
> > appropriate options.
> >
> > I will go off and google now, but i trust you folks a lot more, so
> > hopefully someone will know the fix.
> >
> > As far as i can tell, just getting the /boot dir functional and maybe
> > redoing the bootloader should be enough.
>
> Download and burn a CD of Knoppix and boot off it. That will get you a
> running Linux system that you can use to fix the partitions.
>
> http://www.knoppix.net/

Always assuming that Knoppix runs on your system, I have it and while it runs 
with no problem on my laptop, it doesn't like either the Flat Panel or the 
onboard sis630 on my PC, I can't even get it to run in text mode - just an 
"out of range" message from my monitor. Having said that I've not tried very 
hard yet. 
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Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid

[Ralph Bagwell]

Sure thing. My smb.conf file is at /etc/samba/  . It says under [printers]
"path = /var/spool/samba" and yes my jobs are there.

It also says "workgroup =  MDKGROUP" under  [global]

Is this file editable? And does it "config" samba ?

> Ralph - could you look at /etc/smb.conf to see where it is locating
> your spool file, and check that your print jobs are actually in that
> file.
>
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Re: [newbie] I borked my boot partition..

[Richard Urwin]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 2:41 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
> Well, when i reboot, i get kernel panic for no INIT=   (i think)
> and when i "upgrade" i find that hda6 (which is where /boot is) has errors
> that the install cd can't fix.
>
> Ok, so what should i do now?  I have heard people on the list say it is not
> necessary to put  /boot on it's own part, so feel free to suggest any
> appropriate options.
>
> I will go off and google now, but i trust you folks a lot more, so
> hopefully someone will know the fix.
>
> As far as i can tell, just getting the /boot dir functional and maybe
> redoing the bootloader should be enough.

Download and burn a CD of Knoppix and boot off it. That will get you a running 
Linux system that you can use to fix the partitions.

http://www.knoppix.net/

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Re: [newbie] APT

[Keith Powell]

On Friday 13 Jun 2003 1:53 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
> On Friday 13 Jun 2003 1:33 pm, Keith Powell wrote:
> > Is the Ibiblio APT repository no longer available? I have been trying to
> > access it for some time, but all I get is a 404 error.
> >
> > On an associated note, is the PLF source no longer available? I can't
> > access that either.
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Keith
>
> If you mean Texstars apt repository, following an outage at ibiblio his
> files came back with a different path. Check with the link at
> pclinuxonline.net to find the current path to the repository.
>
> As for PLF, they had an outage a daya ago, but they seem OK now.
>
> If downloading from plf, some of their morrirs are pretty poor. Personallu
> I find the club-internet one OK.
>
> derek

Hello Derek.

Thank you for the information. May I say that, under the circumstances, it was 
very apt. 

The PLF source is now working, but I am having still problems on getting 
Texstar's apt working. Must have still got the path wrong, but will have 
another try. :-(

Many thanks again

Keith 

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Re: [newbie] Hard and soft links

[Richard Urwin]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 1:06 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 13 Jun 2003 10:49 pm, Jan Wilson wrote:
> > I just right-clicked on my desktop, selected Create New --> Link to
> > Location, typed in a name (I picked Testing) and browsed to a
> > folder in /mnt.  It left a dumb page-looking logo on my desktop.  I
> > right-clicked on it, clicked on the icon in the dialog box, and
> > selected a better icon image.  It worked easily.
>
> Yes - I had done that before, but it appears to be a hard link, not a
> soft one, which is why I started again with ln -s.

I'm suprised. /mnt is usually a different partition to /home, so hard links 
would be impossible.

> What really foxed me, was that the symbolic link I had made to
> /Graphics created a desktop icon owned by me, whereas the same
> command to link to /mnt/OldHome created one owned by root.  The only
> difference I can see is that /Graphics is a vfat partition, whereas
> /mnt/OldHome is owned by root.  Is that the reason that the link is
> also owned by root?

Yes. Links inherit the ownership of the file they link to, otherwise it's a 
security hole.

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[newbie] I borked my boot partition..

[Eric Huff]

Hi folks, 

Lesson learned today: no resizing of ntfs partitions because all those 
margaritas are keeping you from sleeping...

Here's what i did:  My ntfs partion was hda1, 
/boot hda5
/ hda6

I shrunk the ntfs (successfuly) at the cli.
I think at this point, it told me that it renamed the partitions, so that the 
new one was hda5,
hda5 became hda6, ...

Then, i went to diskdrake (which i prolly should have done first)
and formatted and mounted hda5 as /stuff.
It didn't show as formatted in diskdrake, but i could go into it and make 
files, etc.  So i very dumbly decided that was a good time to reboot.

Well, when i reboot, i get kernel panic for no INIT=   (i think)
and when i "upgrade" i find that hda6 (which is where /boot is) has errors 
that the install cd can't fix.

Ok, so what should i do now?  I have heard people on the list say it is not 
necessary to put  /boot on it's own part, so feel free to suggest any 
appropriate options.

I will go off and google now, but i trust you folks a lot more, so hopefully 
someone will know the fix. 

As far as i can tell, just getting the /boot dir functional and maybe redoing 
the bootloader should be enough.

If it helps, lilo is working fine, and it does still boot into windows just 
fine.

I am running ML 9.1.

Thanks in advance for any rescue advice!
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Re: [newbie] Large Hard Drives

[Greg Meyer]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:53 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
> One thing I have been meaning to ask , now that large hard drives are
> becoming cheap enough, is how long does it take for bootups to complete
> the fsck tasks on say a 120 gig drive, with a modern AMD1800 Athlon, or
> a similar P4 processor.
>
> Currently I have a 40gig drive, and usually when required it fsck's at
> least 3 of my partitions, I have about 7 partitions it likes to keep a
> track on. If I bought a 120gig drive to add as say a secondary drive
> would it take for ever to fsck on these bootups.
>
It should be pretty short if you use a journaling file system like reiserfs or 
ext3.  If you stick with ext2, it would be l.  You'll probably 
get better performance out of reiserfs on a disk that big, as ext3 does not 
scale as well.

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Re: [newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?

[Greg Meyer]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:25 am, Gareth Qually wrote:
> I need an e-mail program that will not only work in linux and windows 2000,
> but also share data. The result I want to get is to be able to have the
> data shared across the two OS's. Anyone know of a program thatdoes this?
>
Try something first that has both a Windows and a Linux version, like mozilla.
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[newbie] Large Hard Drives

[John Richard Smith]

One thing I have been meaning to ask , now that large hard drives are 
becoming cheap enough, is how long does it take for bootups to complete 
the fsck tasks on say a 120 gig drive, with a modern AMD1800 Athlon, or 
a similar P4 processor.

Currently I have a 40gig drive, and usually when required it fsck's at 
least 3 of my partitions, I have about 7 partitions it likes to keep a 
track on. If I bought a 120gig drive to add as say a secondary drive 
would it take for ever to fsck on these bootups.

John

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Re: [newbie] Sound Blaster Live! MIDI input/output under Mandrake 9.1

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 3:24 am, The Other wrote:
> 06/13/03
>
> Hello All,
>
> Since I'm not having any luck locating drivers for my Midiman,
> Winman 4x4/s MIDI ISA interface card, I'll looking into going back
> to the single MIDI input/output cable coming off the joystick port
> of my SB LIve! Value card.
>
> My Roland Sound Expansion MIDI modules will allow MIDI passthrough,
> so the single MIDI in/out from the SB Live! card should be able to
> drive 2 Roland MIDI modules.
>
> Anyone have experience using the SB Live! MIDI in/out port?
>
There is a program called emu10k1-tools, which might help.  I can't 
say if it does, because I haven't managed to get it working with my 
audigy.

Anne

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[newbie] Mail program for Linux and windows?

[Gareth Qually]

I need an e-mail program that will not only work in linux and windows 2000,
but also share data. The result I want to get is to be able to have the data
shared across the two OS's. Anyone know of a program thatdoes this?

Ciao

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Re: [newbie] I feel so stupid

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 1:40 am, Ralph Bagwell wrote:
> I am still embarrassed to post because you "newbies" seem light
> years ahead of me - oh well.
>
Some of us feel to be newbies for a *verrry* long time   But it's 
not so long since we took our first steps that we've forgotten 

> (PS Anne, I still have not found out how to add my Epson printer -
> but I have learned a few things - I can ping my remote with either
> the name or IP - A thing called "KjobViewer" says I have 5 "jobs"
> queued -three from "root" and 2 from "ralph" - right clicking these
> entries and left clicking "job IPP report"  yields a mountain of
> info on the print job - including an IP (192.168.0.157:631/jobs/14
> (for example) - which is very curious because the IP assigned by my
> server is 192.168.0.137 - I have no idea how this is happening.)
>
> ralph  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ralph - could you look at /etc/smb.conf to see where it is locating 
your spool file, and check that your print jobs are actually in that 
file.

Anne

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Re: [newbie] sound problems Via AC97 on Sony Vaio

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 12:12 am, Lavanya Vasudevan wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm having trouble getting my Apollo Super AC97 sound card to work
> on my Sony Vaio PCG FXA47, running Mandrake 9.1.  Here are the
> details from HardDrake:
>
I don't know specifics for this card, but in principle, go to mcc, 
hardware, harddrake and find the entry for your card.  Click on it 
and a right-hand panel appears.  One of the two buttons (top one I 
think) offers you alternative drivers.  Select one of those, then run 
the config tool.  If it doesn't work you can simply go over those 
steps, and the original driver will be offered as the alternative 
one, so you have nothing to lose.

HTH

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Quote character not working.

[Anne Wilson]

On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 12:13 am, Stuart Guthrie wrote:
> I´m trying to use the inverted comma character (ie ") in Evolution
> and lots of other parts of Mandrake 9.1 including the console. It
> doesn´t type a quote. If I press it twice it types a thing that
> looks like a quote but is not (ie ¨) (scripts with it in fail). Can
> someone help me? Where do I correct this behaviour?
>
> I´m in Australia (apologies for our current government BTW) so I´m
> using a US keyboard I guess.

This sort of problem is usually connected to keyboard/language/locale.  
For the keyboard, try mcc > Hardware > KeyboardDrake.  You have US 
keyboard, US International keyboard and UK keyboard.  You can easily 
change between them to see if any suit you better.  Aternatively, if 
you use kde, you can use K > Configuration > Control Centre > 
Accessibility, where you will find both keyboard layouts and regions.

HTH

Anne

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