Re: [newbie] WE R @ it again.......my humblest apologies..
On Tue July 22 2003 10:36 pm, Frankie wrote: > I apologise because for 2 times this month I have found > myself > to be a participant in heated OT discussions.. > > kindest regards > > > Franki Please do not take fault for something that was put outthere to do just that. Draw you into a "heated discussion"(for lack of better words). You have a point and you made it. I have been following this list for not even a full year and have really learned awhole lots by just reading and taking note (a hell of alot of notes). It always seems to come up just in time the subject that is making me pull the last of my hairs. But just in the past few weeks jolly Joe Hill seems to be really hitting that "line" hard and acting like a class "A" speed freak..paranoid almost God like (in his mind). Or he could be a plant from microshaftput here to createwell exactly what he is doing, making problems for this list. Well thats my to cents. Now hopfully this list will get back to enlighten us newbies. From some who hates to write, Careless Carlos Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] WE R @ it again.......my humblest apologies..
Hi guys and ladies.. I have written to Joe off list and asked him not to leave. We are not on the list for political reasons and they should not be the reason for anyone to leave it either. I apologise because for 2 times this month I have found myself to be a participant in heated OT discussions.. It is my fault for taking some things too personally, and I will try to do better in future and where I can't I'll make use of the OT list. I hate the idea that I might be part of what makes newbies think that linux users are all fanatical evangelists.. its wrong and I don't want to perpetuate that myth. kindest regards Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Help me out
Lanman is the dude.. For myself I would like to apologise for my participation in that thread at all. I write software so I took it too personal is all. Gene, we all will and do attempt to help people on this list whenever we can, regardless of the OT stuff that apears here as well. I'd help more myself, but every time i go to, I still have 100 emails from the list to read and discover that person in need has already been answered several times and no longer requires my help.. :-) I do occasionally get their first though.. and when I do, I secretly flip Stephen the bird :-) Welcome to the list, apologies for my bad behaviour and I hope you have a long and productive relationship with the us And your all welcome to go out on the boat with me any time..its only small, so you'll have to do it in groups.. but its great fun and is the sole reason I have yet to have a brain embolism... (you'll have to bring your own alcohol though :-) regards Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lanman Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2003 11:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Help me out I'm with Stephen on this one Gene! Welcome and well said, Sir Knight! Get a good grip , and hang on for a hell of a ride! In the past, you may have heard such expressions as "Trust me! I'm from the government. I'm here to help"! You probably laughed about such things, ( as did we! ), but here, when the list members aren't flaming Microsoft, SCO, or each other (Grin! Grin!) they're usually a bunch of warm-hearted, generous, humorous, and helpful individuals. Especially helpful! For the most part they're a good bunch. Sorry you had to join up in the middle of a nasty thread. It's just that some of the list members are grouchy because they've been forced to use Microsoft stuff at work. I myself have been on this list for far too long, but even so, I've learned a huge amount of important things. For Instance, Stephen Kuhn needs to get some newer ties (!?), Frankie has a boat and likes to drink whenever he takes it out on the water ( I'm very jealous about that by the way!), Femme Fatale and Anne both seem to have their heads screwed on real good, and often provide maturity whenever the gang starts a ruckus ( Man! Talk about scoring brownie points with the "Babes" ! ), and occasionally we even talk about Linux! Did I mention that they also have a great sense of humour? Seriously, though,...Welcome to "Our Gang", and I for one hope you stick around long enough to learn everything you can about Linux. That way , the rest of us can hop on a plane, and drop in on Stephen and Frankie, where we'll all go boating, drinking, and other "stuff", knowing that you'll be here to take up the slack! So, where's everyone else? C'Mon people! Jump in here and say Hi to Gene! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/23/2003 at 12:37 PM Stephen Kuhn wrote: >On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:24, Gene Barker wrote: >> I am a new linux user, about a month. I need your help, speaking to >> the 4newbie! group. >> >> I joined this group in hopes of learning more of linux and solutions >> to problems I may have. I have been inundated with emails from our >> group, most of them not very useful. May I request 2 things. >> >> 1. Limit or eliminate political or philosophical discussions from >> this channel. Lets use it as a tool to learn of linux. >> 2. The answers to legitimate questions are sometimes cryptic and >> hard for me to follow. A little more information or a way to >> follow the conversation would be helpful to me. Any >> suggestions would be appreciated. >> Cordially, >> Gene Barker > >Gene, welcome. > > One thing you might want to do is to turn on "message threading" in >your email client (if you can) - it helps to discern between what is a >random message and what is a "conversation" - or threaded discussion. > > Anyways, what can we do for you? > >-- >Wed Jul 23 12:35:00 EST 2003 > 12:35:00 up 9 days, 4:38, 2 users, load average: 0.36, 0.19, 0.17 >--- -- >|____ |kuhn media australia | >| /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | >| .\__/ || | | || >| _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn | >| | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >--- -- > linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH 9 > Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 >--- -- > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > >Love is in the offing. Be affectionate to one who adores you. > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from M
Re: [newbie] Re: Robotics
> > Hm...i can say i want to start into electronics/robotics. My > > techie friend said that i should buy an 8 bit "controller" that i > > can download a program to. Would anyone know of such of a > > "processor"? How about any mailing lists? Sites? Anything? You can > > mail me directly if you wish You could look at Microchip. The PICs are just the processor itself, so you'll have to wrap the circuit around it, or get one of the "breadboard" kits, but those will be "clunkier" then making the circuit itself. Go to www.microchip.com , and maybe http://www.microchip.com/1010/pline/tools/tparty/index.htm for third party stuff. The cheapest route (other than programming inassembly) is PicBasic, but there are C compilers. anyway If it peaks your interest, i can give you a list of my favorite starting pieces. But i usu do it for work, so i have the luxury of designing a PCBA to plop it in. eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Other Users Running?
rikona wrote:
Hello Aron,
Tuesday, July 22, 2003, 9:38:17 PM, you wrote:
AS> Then do a man -woman (unknown command) ;-)
We could use a bit of humor
Not mine, and I have not tried them in Mandrake...
The following are strange error messages you can get Unix to generate.
% rm microsoft-ethics
rm: microsoft-ethics nonexistent
% ar m God
ar: God does not exist
% "How would you rate SCO's incompetence?
Unmatched ."
% [Where is Jimmy Hoffa?
Missing ].
% ^How did the sex change^ operation go?
Modifier failed.
% If I had a ( for every $ Bill Gates spent, what would I have?
Too many ('s.
% make love
Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop.
% sleep with me
bad character
% got a light?
No match.
% man: why did you get a divorce?
man:{sp 0}: Too many arguments.
% ^What is saccharine?
Bad substitute.
% man woman
No manual entry for woman.
% %blow
%blow: No such job.
% (-
(-: Command not found.
% sh
$ PATH=pretending! /usr/ucb/which sense
no sense in pretending!
$ drink
$ mkdir matter; cat >matter
matter: cannot create
Nice. :-)
--
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"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it."
-George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903)
"Maxims for Revolutionists"
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Re[2]: [newbie] Other Users Running?
Hello Aron,
Tuesday, July 22, 2003, 9:38:17 PM, you wrote:
AS> Then do a man -woman (unknown command) ;-)
We could use a bit of humor
Not mine, and I have not tried them in Mandrake...
The following are strange error messages you can get Unix to generate.
% rm microsoft-ethics
rm: microsoft-ethics nonexistent
% ar m God
ar: God does not exist
% "How would you rate SCO's incompetence?
Unmatched ."
% [Where is Jimmy Hoffa?
Missing ].
% ^How did the sex change^ operation go?
Modifier failed.
% If I had a ( for every $ Bill Gates spent, what would I have?
Too many ('s.
% make love
Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop.
% sleep with me
bad character
% got a light?
No match.
% man: why did you get a divorce?
man:{sp 0}: Too many arguments.
% ^What is saccharine?
Bad substitute.
% man woman
No manual entry for woman.
% %blow
%blow: No such job.
% (-
(-: Command not found.
% sh
$ PATH=pretending! /usr/ucb/which sense
no sense in pretending!
$ drink matter
matter: cannot create
--
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Re: [newbie] Other Users Running?
Aron Smith wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2003 08:30 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 13:13, Cody Harris wrote: I know theres a command for this, but how to i get a list of all the logged in users and what they are running (and what term they are on). Thanks! Open a term, and type: who Another thing to check out is what "who" can do for you. Do a "man who" - it's a great utility. Then do a man -woman (unknown command) ;-) Only if you have the funny-manpages package installed. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." -George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
Curt Tresenriter wrote: On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:36, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: C Tresenriter wrote: There's plenty of blame to go around. Agreed. However, there is a line at which heated discussion turns into verbal abuse. You can tell a person that their information is wrong with out attacking them personally. That is when it crosses the line. I didn't realize only one person using personal attacks, thought I saw several. It takes two to tango. It takes two to debate. Unfortunately, one can start a war. :-( One needs another to start a war Agreed. There does need to be a victim. - although *one* can certainly end a war. I'm ending my part, whatever that may be, but in the future I will not stand by and watch if someone (guess who?) again decides to attack anyone else (Anne, etc.) without cause. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." -George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Other Users Running?
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 08:30 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 13:13, Cody Harris wrote: > > I know theres a command for this, but how to i get a list of all the > > logged in users and what they are running (and what term they are on). > > > > Thanks! > > Open a term, and type: who > > Another thing to check out is what "who" can do for you. Do a "man who" > - it's a great utility. Then do a man -woman (unknown command) ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 08:42 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:28:53 -0400 > > Brant Fitzsimmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > That may work for you, but, unfortunately, this doesn't solve the > > problem for the newbies that come to the list and find some jerk > > insulting everyone when they state something that he deems to be below > > > > his intelligence level. How many people have dropped off of this list > > > > in the past 2 weeks due to an onslaught of over-the-top arrogance and > > abuse? > > > > It's unfortunate; because Joe is also one of the most personable (when > > > > you haven't offended his god complex) and *potentially* helpful people > > > > on the list. It would be nice to see more humility and greatfullness > > for the opportunity to share our skills with some who are open to > > learning new things. > > > > We get it Joe. You're great; we're not. Now let's get back to > > business; and not drive *anyone else* away. > > You know what? You can go fuck yourself, and so can everybody on here. > > I am sick of being blamed for the flame wars on here, every time there's > a debate and I am involved, it's Joe. If there are people getting scared > away, it's Joe. Joe has a God complex because he doesn't share your > fucked up views, Joe this, Joe that. > > Fuck you all. > > Bye. Joe we are trying to see your point of view.. But unfortunately most of us can not get our heads that far up our ass Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:36, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: > C Tresenriter wrote: > > > > > There's plenty of blame to go around. > > > Agreed. However, there is a line at which heated discussion turns into > verbal abuse. You can tell a person that their information is wrong > with out attacking them personally. That is when it crosses the line. I didn't realize only one person using personal attacks, thought I saw several. > > It takes two to tango. > It takes two to debate. Unfortunately, one can start a war. :-( One needs another to start a war - although *one* can certainly end a war. -- Registered Linux User #299730 Registered Machine #2046 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~60.51518 N, 150.79705 W*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
C Tresenriter wrote: There's plenty of blame to go around. Agreed. However, there is a line at which heated discussion turns into verbal abuse. You can tell a person that their information is wrong with out attacking them personally. That is when it crosses the line. It takes two to tango. It takes two to debate. Unfortunately, one can start a war. :-( It's just like politics... the Republicans blame Democrats and Democrats blame Republicans. The truth, I think lies somewhere in between. Out of both parties' reach. :-P At 11:42 PM 7/22/03 -0400, you wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:28:53 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > That may work for you, but, unfortunately, this doesn't solve the > problem for the newbies that come to the list and find some jerk > insulting everyone when they state something that he deems to be below > > his intelligence level. How many people have dropped off of this list > > in the past 2 weeks due to an onslaught of over-the-top arrogance and > abuse? > > It's unfortunate; because Joe is also one of the most personable (when > > you haven't offended his god complex) and *potentially* helpful people > > on the list. It would be nice to see more humility and greatfullness > for the opportunity to share our skills with some who are open to > learning new things. > > We get it Joe. You're great; we're not. Now let's get back to > business; and not drive *anyone else* away. You know what? You can go fuck yourself, and so can everybody on here. I am sick of being blamed for the flame wars on here, every time there's a debate and I am involved, it's Joe. If there are people getting scared away, it's Joe. Joe has a God complex because he doesn't share your fucked up views, Joe this, Joe that. Fuck you all. Bye. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 23:39:39 up 23:09, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [Wisdom] is a tree of life to those laying hold of her, making happy each one holding her fast. -- Proverbs 3:18, NSV -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." -George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help me out
So, where's everyone else? C'Mon people! Jump in here and say Hi to Gene! Eh? I dunno ... he's probably a vegetarian ... Harv [EMAIL PROTECTED] == "When I was younger, I could remember anything ... whether it had happened, or not." Mark Twain Lanman wrote: I'm with Stephen on this one Gene! Welcome and well said, Sir Knight! Get a good grip , and hang on for a hell of a ride! In the past, you may have heard such expressions as "Trust me! I'm from the government. I'm here to help"! You probably laughed about such things, ( as did we! ), but here, when the list members aren't flaming Microsoft, SCO, or each other (Grin! Grin!) they're usually a bunch of warm-hearted, generous, humorous, and helpful individuals. Especially helpful! For the most part they're a good bunch. Sorry you had to join up in the middle of a nasty thread. It's just that some of the list members are grouchy because they've been forced to use Microsoft stuff at work. I myself have been on this list for far too long, but even so, I've learned a huge amount of important things. For Instance, Stephen Kuhn needs to get some newer ties (!?), Frankie has a boat and likes to drink whenever he takes it out on the water ( I'm very jealous about that by the way!), Femme Fatale and Anne both seem to have their heads screwed on real good, and often provide maturity whenever the gang starts a ruckus ( Man! Talk about scoring brownie points with the "Babes" ! ), and occasionally we even talk about Linux! Did I mention that they also have a great sense of humour? Seriously, though,...Welcome to "Our Gang", and I for one hope you stick around long enough to learn everything you can about Linux. That way , the rest of us can hop on a plane, and drop in on Stephen and Frankie, where we'll all go boating, drinking, and other "stuff", knowing that you'll be here to take up the slack! So, where's everyone else? C'Mon people! Jump in here and say Hi to Gene! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/23/2003 at 12:37 PM Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:24, Gene Barker wrote: I am a new linux user, about a month. I need your help, speaking to the ´newbie¡ group. I joined this group in hopes of learning more of linux and solutions to problems I may have. I have been inundated with emails from our group, most of them not very useful. May I request 2 things. 1. Limit or eliminate political or philosophical discussions from this channel. Letÿs use it as a tool to learn of linux. 2. The answers to legitimate questions are sometimes cryptic and hard for me to follow. A little more information or a way to follow the conversation would be helpful to me. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Cordially, Gene Barker Gene, welcome. One thing you might want to do is to turn on "message threading" in your email client (if you can) - it helps to discern between what is a random message and what is a "conversation" - or threaded discussion. Anyways, what can we do for you? -- Wed Jul 23 12:35:00 EST 2003 12:35:00 up 9 days, 4:38, 2 users, load average: 0.36, 0.19, 0.17 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Love is in the offing. Be affectionate to one who adores you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Robotics
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 06:51 pm, Cody Harris wrote: > Hm...i can say i want to start into electronics/robotics. My techie > friend said that i should buy an 8 bit "controller" that i can download a > program to. Would anyone know of such of a "processor"? How about any > mailing lists? Sites? Anything? You can mail me directly if you wish There are several the 80c85 and the Basic Stamp series You can find every thing you need at this site http://www.parallax.com/ > > -Cody Harris > > Linux Rox My Sox! > Check out HCHS! > http://vectec.net > > Proud to use Mandrake Linux 8.1 as a server. > Not proud to use Windows as a primary server. > > Registered Linux user #315598 > Registered Linux Computer #200951 > Wrote on a Windoze Computer :( Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
Good God. I finally get a chance to get back on for a while and this is the first thing I see. John Rigby was a saint compared to this troll. --LX On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:42, JoeHill wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:28:53 -0400 > Brant Fitzsimmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > That may work for you, but, unfortunately, this doesn't solve the > > problem for the newbies that come to the list and find some jerk > > insulting everyone when they state something that he deems to be below > > > > his intelligence level. How many people have dropped off of this list > > > > in the past 2 weeks due to an onslaught of over-the-top arrogance and > > abuse? > > > > It's unfortunate; because Joe is also one of the most personable (when > > > > you haven't offended his god complex) and *potentially* helpful people > > > > on the list. It would be nice to see more humility and greatfullness > > for the opportunity to share our skills with some who are open to > > learning new things. > > > > We get it Joe. You're great; we're not. Now let's get back to > > business; and not drive *anyone else* away. > > You know what? You can go fuck yourself, and so can everybody on here. > > I am sick of being blamed for the flame wars on here, every time there's > a debate and I am involved, it's Joe. If there are people getting scared > away, it's Joe. Joe has a God complex because he doesn't share your > fucked up views, Joe this, Joe that. > > Fuck you all. > > Bye. -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk "Filter That, Bitch!" --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help me out
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 08:53 pm, Lanman wrote: > I'm with Stephen on this one Gene! Welcome and well said, Sir Knight! Get a > good grip , and hang on for a hell of a ride! > > In the past, you may have heard such expressions as "Trust me! I'm from the > government. I'm here to help"! You probably laughed about such things, ( as > did we! ), but here, when the list members aren't flaming Microsoft, SCO, > or each other (Grin! Grin!) they're usually a bunch of warm-hearted, > generous, humorous, and helpful individuals. Especially helpful! For the > most part they're a good bunch. Sorry you had to join up in the middle of a > nasty thread. It's just that some of the list members are grouchy because > they've been forced to use Microsoft stuff at work. > > I myself have been on this list for far too long, but even so, I've learned > a huge amount of important things. For Instance, Stephen Kuhn needs to get > some newer ties (!?), Frankie has a boat and likes to drink whenever he > takes it out on the water ( I'm very jealous about that by the way!), Femme > Fatale and Anne both seem to have their heads screwed on real good, and > often provide maturity whenever the gang starts a ruckus ( Man! Talk about > scoring brownie points with the "Babes" ! ), and occasionally we even talk > about Linux! Did I mention that they also have a great sense of humour? > > Seriously, though,...Welcome to "Our Gang", and I for one hope you stick > around long enough to learn everything you can about Linux. That way , the > rest of us can hop on a plane, and drop in on Stephen and Frankie, where > we'll all go boating, drinking, and other "stuff", knowing that you'll be > here to take up the slack! > > So, where's everyone else? C'Mon people! Jump in here and say Hi to Gene! > > Lanman Higene LOL > > *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** > > On 7/23/2003 at 12:37 PM Stephen Kuhn wrote: > >On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:24, Gene Barker wrote: > >> I am a new linux user, about a month. I need your help, speaking to > >> the ´newbie¡ group. > >> > >> I joined this group in hopes of learning more of linux and solutions > >> to problems I may have. I have been inundated with emails from our > >> group, most of them not very useful. May I request 2 things. > >> > >> 1. Limit or eliminate political or philosophical discussions from > >> this channel. Letÿs use it as a tool to learn of linux. > >> 2. The answers to legitimate questions are sometimes cryptic and > >> hard for me to follow. A little more information or a way to > >> follow the conversation would be helpful to me. Any > >> suggestions would be appreciated. > >> Cordially, > >> Gene Barker > > > >Gene, welcome. > > > > One thing you might want to do is to turn on "message threading" in > >your email client (if you can) - it helps to discern between what is a > >random message and what is a "conversation" - or threaded discussion. > > > > Anyways, what can we do for you? > > > >-- > >Wed Jul 23 12:35:00 EST 2003 > > 12:35:00 up 9 days, 4:38, 2 users, load average: 0.36, 0.19, 0.17 > >- > > > >|____ |kuhn media australia| > >| /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | > >| .\__/ || | | || > >| _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| > >| > >| | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > > >- > > linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH 9 > > Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 > >- > > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > > > >Love is in the offing. Be affectionate to one who adores you. > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 03:12 pm, Robin Turner wrote: > Harv Nelson wrote: > >>> or should we have the right to own what we create just like > >>> a person that creates a sculpture or paints a picture etc... > > > > Unfortunately, the creator/author of a work is seldom the person to reap > > the greatest benefit from his creativity/creation. Rather, the > > distributor of the creative work usually reaps an undue reward ... RIAA, > > auction houses, theaters, movie producers, publishers, etc., are > > examples. > > > > I could never understand why recording artists did NOT immediately latch > > on to some "nickle-a-pop" revision "napster", etc. and make it their own. > > Some did. > > Sir Robin Did you notice that as the copyrights on a lotm of walt Disney stuff was about to expire they extended the copyright period? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
There's plenty of blame to go around. It takes two to tango. It's just like politics... the Republicans blame Democrats and Democrats blame Republicans. The truth, I think lies somewhere in between. At 11:42 PM 7/22/03 -0400, you wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:28:53 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > That may work for you, but, unfortunately, this doesn't solve the > problem for the newbies that come to the list and find some jerk > insulting everyone when they state something that he deems to be below > > his intelligence level. How many people have dropped off of this list > > in the past 2 weeks due to an onslaught of over-the-top arrogance and > abuse? > > It's unfortunate; because Joe is also one of the most personable (when > > you haven't offended his god complex) and *potentially* helpful people > > on the list. It would be nice to see more humility and greatfullness > for the opportunity to share our skills with some who are open to > learning new things. > > We get it Joe. You're great; we're not. Now let's get back to > business; and not drive *anyone else* away. You know what? You can go fuck yourself, and so can everybody on here. I am sick of being blamed for the flame wars on here, every time there's a debate and I am involved, it's Joe. If there are people getting scared away, it's Joe. Joe has a God complex because he doesn't share your fucked up views, Joe this, Joe that. Fuck you all. Bye. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 23:39:39 up 23:09, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [Wisdom] is a tree of life to those laying hold of her, making happy each one holding her fast. -- Proverbs 3:18, NSV Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help me out
Lanman wrote: I'm with Stephen on this one Gene! Welcome and well said, Sir Knight! Get a good grip , and hang on for a hell of a ride! In the past, you may have heard such expressions as "Trust me! I'm from the government. I'm here to help"! You probably laughed about such things, ( as did we! ), but here, when the list members aren't flaming Microsoft, SCO, or each other (Grin! Grin!) they're usually a bunch of warm-hearted, generous, humorous, and helpful individuals. Especially helpful! For the most part they're a good bunch. Sorry you had to join up in the middle of a nasty thread. It's just that some of the list members are grouchy because they've been forced to use Microsoft stuff at work. I myself have been on this list for far too long, but even so, I've learned a huge amount of important things. For Instance, Stephen Kuhn needs to get some newer ties (!?), Frankie has a boat and likes to drink whenever he takes it out on the water ( I'm very jealous about that by the way!), Femme Fatale and Anne both seem to have their heads screwed on real good, and often provide maturity whenever the gang starts a ruckus ( Man! Talk about scoring brownie points with the "Babes" ! ), and occasionally we even talk about Linux! Did I mention that they also have a great sense of humour? Seriously, though,...Welcome to "Our Gang", and I for one hope you stick around long enough to learn everything you can about Linux. That way , the rest of us can hop on a plane, and drop in on Stephen and Frankie, where we'll all go boating, drinking, and other "stuff", knowing that you'll be here to take up the slack! So, where's everyone else? C'Mon people! Jump in here and say Hi to Gene! Lanman Hello Gene. Believe it or not, there is quite a bit of knowledge to be gleaned from this list. :-) We will try to stay on-point as much as possible. It behooves us to do so, because there's a lot of useful information that needs to be shared with those who are in need. You said in your original post that you needed help. Was there anything specific that you had in mind? -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." -George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help me out
I'm with Stephen on this one Gene! Welcome and well said, Sir Knight! Get a good grip , and hang on for a hell of a ride! In the past, you may have heard such expressions as "Trust me! I'm from the government. I'm here to help"! You probably laughed about such things, ( as did we! ), but here, when the list members aren't flaming Microsoft, SCO, or each other (Grin! Grin!) they're usually a bunch of warm-hearted, generous, humorous, and helpful individuals. Especially helpful! For the most part they're a good bunch. Sorry you had to join up in the middle of a nasty thread. It's just that some of the list members are grouchy because they've been forced to use Microsoft stuff at work. I myself have been on this list for far too long, but even so, I've learned a huge amount of important things. For Instance, Stephen Kuhn needs to get some newer ties (!?), Frankie has a boat and likes to drink whenever he takes it out on the water ( I'm very jealous about that by the way!), Femme Fatale and Anne both seem to have their heads screwed on real good, and often provide maturity whenever the gang starts a ruckus ( Man! Talk about scoring brownie points with the "Babes" ! ), and occasionally we even talk about Linux! Did I mention that they also have a great sense of humour? Seriously, though,...Welcome to "Our Gang", and I for one hope you stick around long enough to learn everything you can about Linux. That way , the rest of us can hop on a plane, and drop in on Stephen and Frankie, where we'll all go boating, drinking, and other "stuff", knowing that you'll be here to take up the slack! So, where's everyone else? C'Mon people! Jump in here and say Hi to Gene! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/23/2003 at 12:37 PM Stephen Kuhn wrote: >On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:24, Gene Barker wrote: >> I am a new linux user, about a month. I need your help, speaking to >> the ´newbie¡ group. >> >> I joined this group in hopes of learning more of linux and solutions >> to problems I may have. I have been inundated with emails from our >> group, most of them not very useful. May I request 2 things. >> >> 1. Limit or eliminate political or philosophical discussions from >> this channel. Letÿs use it as a tool to learn of linux. >> 2. The answers to legitimate questions are sometimes cryptic and >> hard for me to follow. A little more information or a way to >> follow the conversation would be helpful to me. Any >> suggestions would be appreciated. >> Cordially, >> Gene Barker > >Gene, welcome. > > One thing you might want to do is to turn on "message threading" in >your email client (if you can) - it helps to discern between what is a >random message and what is a "conversation" - or threaded discussion. > > Anyways, what can we do for you? > >-- >Wed Jul 23 12:35:00 EST 2003 > 12:35:00 up 9 days, 4:38, 2 users, load average: 0.36, 0.19, 0.17 >- >|____ |kuhn media australia| >| /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | >| .\__/ || | | || >| _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| >| | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >- > linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH 9 > Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 >- > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > >Love is in the offing. Be affectionate to one who adores you. > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Other Users Running?
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 13:13, Cody Harris wrote: > I know theres a command for this, but how to i get a list of all the logged > in users and what they are running (and what term they are on). > > Thanks! Open a term, and type: who Another thing to check out is what "who" can do for you. Do a "man who" - it's a great utility. -- Wed Jul 23 13:25:00 EST 2003 13:25:00 up 9 days, 5:28, 2 users, load average: 0.26, 0.30, 0.23 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * She won' go Warp 7, Cap'n! The batteries are dead! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:28:53 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > That may work for you, but, unfortunately, this doesn't solve the > problem for the newbies that come to the list and find some jerk > insulting everyone when they state something that he deems to be below > > his intelligence level. How many people have dropped off of this list > > in the past 2 weeks due to an onslaught of over-the-top arrogance and > abuse? > > It's unfortunate; because Joe is also one of the most personable (when > > you haven't offended his god complex) and *potentially* helpful people > > on the list. It would be nice to see more humility and greatfullness > for the opportunity to share our skills with some who are open to > learning new things. > > We get it Joe. You're great; we're not. Now let's get back to > business; and not drive *anyone else* away. You know what? You can go fuck yourself, and so can everybody on here. I am sick of being blamed for the flame wars on here, every time there's a debate and I am involved, it's Joe. If there are people getting scared away, it's Joe. Joe has a God complex because he doesn't share your fucked up views, Joe this, Joe that. Fuck you all. Bye. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 23:39:39 up 23:09, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [Wisdom] is a tree of life to those laying hold of her, making happy each one holding her fast. -- Proverbs 3:18, NSV Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
Ouch! Nice one there! Way to go Brant! ( TeeHee! ). You Da Man! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/22/2003 at 10:28 PM Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: >Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote: > >>Hi All >> >>Every now and again emotions exceed politeness to such an extent that >pasions >>are inflamed beyond tolerance. >> >>Oh well I guess that is why the linux gods created email filters. >> >>Lets see now. >>Open Settings >>Open Configure Filters >>Set Filter >>Apply >> >>Rudeness problem disappeared. >> >That may work for you, but, unfortunately, this doesn't solve the >problem for the newbies that come to the list and find some jerk >insulting everyone when they state something that he deems to be below >his intelligence level. How many people have dropped off of this list >in the past 2 weeks due to an onslaught of over-the-top arrogance and >abuse? > >It's unfortunate; because Joe is also one of the most personable (when >you haven't offended his god complex) and *potentially* helpful people >on the list. It would be nice to see more humility and greatfullness >for the opportunity to share our skills with some who are open to >learning new things. > >We get it Joe. You're great; we're not. Now let's get back to >business; and not drive *anyone else* away. > >-- >Brant Fitzsimmons >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." > > -George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) > "Maxims for Revolutionists" > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help me out
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:24, Gene Barker wrote: > I am a new linux user, about a month. I need your help, speaking to > the “newbie” group. > > I joined this group in hopes of learning more of linux and solutions > to problems I may have. I have been inundated with emails from our > group, most of them not very useful. May I request 2 things. > > 1. Limit or eliminate political or philosophical discussions from > this channel. Let’s use it as a tool to learn of linux. > 2. The answers to legitimate questions are sometimes cryptic and > hard for me to follow. A little more information or a way to > follow the conversation would be helpful to me. Any > suggestions would be appreciated. > Cordially, > Gene Barker Gene, welcome. One thing you might want to do is to turn on "message threading" in your email client (if you can) - it helps to discern between what is a random message and what is a "conversation" - or threaded discussion. Anyways, what can we do for you? -- Wed Jul 23 12:35:00 EST 2003 12:35:00 up 9 days, 4:38, 2 users, load average: 0.36, 0.19, 0.17 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Love is in the offing. Be affectionate to one who adores you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote: Hi All Every now and again emotions exceed politeness to such an extent that pasions are inflamed beyond tolerance. Oh well I guess that is why the linux gods created email filters. Lets see now. Open Settings Open Configure Filters Set Filter Apply Rudeness problem disappeared. That may work for you, but, unfortunately, this doesn't solve the problem for the newbies that come to the list and find some jerk insulting everyone when they state something that he deems to be below his intelligence level. How many people have dropped off of this list in the past 2 weeks due to an onslaught of over-the-top arrogance and abuse? It's unfortunate; because Joe is also one of the most personable (when you haven't offended his god complex) and *potentially* helpful people on the list. It would be nice to see more humility and greatfullness for the opportunity to share our skills with some who are open to learning new things. We get it Joe. You're great; we're not. Now let's get back to business; and not drive *anyone else* away. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." -George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Other Users Running?
I know theres a command for this, but how to i get a list of all the logged in users and what they are running (and what term they are on). Thanks! -Cody Harris Linux Rox My Sox! Check out HCHS! http://vectec.net Proud to use Mandrake Linux 8.1 as a server. Not proud to use Windows as a primary server. Registered Linux user #315598 Registered Linux Computer #200951 Wrote on a Windoze Computer :( Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
JoeHill wrote: agreeable as possible. You have, as Anne, treated me to abuse, fixating on one comment out of a whole discussion to label me a communist, and belittle me for any sympathies I may have with that philosophy. Anne's argument was not exactly cogent, and it was, IMHO, hijacking a potentially interesting (if somewhat OT) thread about IP and how programmers can be remunerated for their work ... but it wasn't abuse. Saying "Fuck off" is abuse. Keep that kind of thing for the OT list, please. Sir Robin -- "A strategy is still being formulated." Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:18:31 -0400 JoeHill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> insightfully noted: >On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:09:07 +0100 >Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > >> > > Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post >> > > next. > >Oh, I see, you can cut the discussion off, but not me? > >> > > I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people >> > > there think about communism. > >You wouldn't know communism if you were pissing on it. > >You took a trip to Russia, it doesn't make you an expert. > >> > whatever, then don't bother communicating with me ever again. >> >> OK - you don't like to hear anything against your beliefs do you? >> >No, I don't appreciate being treated with disdain by someone whom I have >gone *out of my way* to be nice to, to help, to treat as a friend. > >You only get one chance with me, unfortunately, in that kind of >situation. > >So, fuck off. === Yup., time to unsub from this one. The ad hominems and other childish nonsense are beyond belief here!!! Who likes to wear the red bandana?? Who likes to play moderator uggg Later folks -- "The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life" --Muhammad Ali Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] [OT] Robotics
Hm...i can say i want to start into electronics/robotics. My techie friend said that i should buy an 8 bit "controller" that i can download a program to. Would anyone know of such of a "processor"? How about any mailing lists? Sites? Anything? You can mail me directly if you wish -Cody Harris Linux Rox My Sox! Check out HCHS! http://vectec.net Proud to use Mandrake Linux 8.1 as a server. Not proud to use Windows as a primary server. Registered Linux user #315598 Registered Linux Computer #200951 Wrote on a Windoze Computer :( Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] flowcharting software?
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 05:04, Grant wrote: > Does anyone know of any flowcharting software for Linux? > > - Grant What about using DIA to do this? -- Wed Jul 23 12:10:00 EST 2003 12:10:00 up 9 days, 4:13, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.24, 0.26 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * The world is coming to an end--save your buffers! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
Hi All Every now and again emotions exceed politeness to such an extent that pasions are inflamed beyond tolerance. Oh well I guess that is why the linux gods created email filters. Lets see now. Open Settings Open Configure Filters Set Filter Apply Rudeness problem disappeared. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:55:53 -0400 JoeHill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> insightfully noted: >On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:36:07 -0400 >crak600 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > >> joe, if you feel so inclined to give me the same response >> as you just gave to anne, do it "offlist" as to not clog everyone >> else's mailboxes up with utter garbage and non-sense. you won't hurt >> my feelings or make me bitter by doing so either. > >*learn to read* > >I sent that to Anne offlist, *she* put it back on. *That's* what upset >me. > >What also upsets me is that *one* aspect of my belief system (communist, >anarchist, libertarianism, a mix of each) is dwelled on *incessantly* by >people who know *nothing* about those things. Might that include you??? I'm outta here. -- "The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life" --Muhammad Ali Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] flowcharting software?
While we're on the subject, does anyone know of Free ER diagram templates for Kivio? John. On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:54, Greg Meyer wrote: > On Tuesday 22 July 2003 03:04 pm, Grant wrote: > > Does anyone know of any flowcharting software for Linux? > > look at kivio, it should be on your cds. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Help me out
I am a new linux user, about a month. I need your help, speaking to the “newbie” group. I joined this group in hopes of learning more of linux and solutions to problems I may have. I have been inundated with emails from our group, most of them not very useful. May I request 2 things. Limit or eliminate political or philosophical discussions from this channel. Let’s use it as a tool to learn of linux. The answers to legitimate questions are sometimes cryptic and hard for me to follow. A little more information or a way to follow the conversation would be helpful to me. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Cordially, Gene Barker
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 03:55 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:07:37 +0800 > > "Frankie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > Anyway, enough of this rubbish.. > > If I start another one of these flamewar things Stephen will > > never forgive me.. > > Too late, arsewipe. I tried to take it offlist, Anne brought it back on, > and here you are continuing it. > > Neither of you know the slightest thing about communism, gleaning all > you think you know from network news and tabloids. > > But, frankly, this was never about communism. *You* called me a > communist, and I made a flippant remark about being "not quite". > > *You* continue this diatribe against communism and everything that > threatens your tiny, pathetic little existence, if you will, just don't > try to paint me as the agitator. > > From you it doesn't surprise me, but for Anne to post a singularly > > trollish comment like: > > > Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post > > > next. > > > > > > I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people > > > there think about communism. > > I am quite surprised and dismayed. I have always treated her with the > utmost respect and even admiration. Now I see her true colours, posting > a private communication on a public forum, thus aggravating the > situation further. > > As far as I am concerned, you are both to be deeply ashamed for this > kind of attack. I have made every effort with you, Frankie boy, over the > last couple of days since you helped me with my mailserver, to be as > agreeable as possible. You have, as Anne, treated me to abuse, fixating > on one comment out of a whole discussion to label me a communist, and > belittle me for any sympathies I may have with that philosophy. > > To hell with you both then, I don't need help from people who cannot > use their own best judgement to avoid heated topics, as I have made a > serious effort to do of late, well, except on the OT list. > > I'm not interested in your ill-informed opinions on communism, your > mockery of my beliefs, or your childish insults. > > Buh-bye. Ats ok, I find that a good many of the flame wars appear to be around joe hill, --filtered-- -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 7:51 pm, you wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:39:45 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next. I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people there think about communism. whatever, then don't bother communicating with me ever again. OK - you don't like to hear anything against your beliefs do you? Now can we get back to linux? Or take this to the OT list? It's an interesting thread, but I'm not sure if it's relevant to this list. -- "A strategy is still being formulated." Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] this is awesome
I have to say that I'm really excited about Linux and open source software in general. I recently made the switch and I feel like I have a grip on what it's all about now. I must say it is a very very good thing. I checked out XFce4 and that's awesome. I'd like to check out Waimea, but waimea.org seems to have been down for a couple days now. What else should I check out? Not just Window Managers, but all kinds of Linux stuff. Maybe there's a website that goes over stuff like that? - Grant P.S. Does anyone know of a laptop retailer that will lease a laptop without an OS or maybe just with Linux? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
Frankie wrote: Does translation to 1's and 0's make something worthless? because the same can be done for your genitical profile :-) Bad analogy. I didn't design my own genes. Sir Robin -- "A strategy is still being formulated." Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:36:07 -0400 crak600 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > joe, if you feel so inclined to give me the same response > as you just gave to anne, do it "offlist" as to not clog everyone > else's mailboxes up with utter garbage and non-sense. you won't hurt > my feelings or make me bitter by doing so either. *learn to read* I sent that to Anne offlist, *she* put it back on. *That's* what upset me. What also upsets me is that *one* aspect of my belief system (communist, anarchist, libertarianism, a mix of each) is dwelled on *incessantly* by people who know *nothing* about those things. What upsets me is when I am discussing a narrow point of legality, and people start bringing in examples about plumbers and artists and programmers, when all I am talking about is copyright law. What puts me right over the edge is when I try to end it and people just keep going on and on and on, oh, so *you* are supposed to get the last word on the list, eh? Reply to you offlist so you can have your say and slag me in public and I can't defend myself in the same way? Ya, right. Not bloody likely. This will end when you and your ilk get it through your thick skulls that belittling people's philosophies, notice I said belittling, not *debating* (requiring knowledge, insight, and study), is not to be tolerated, and *will not be tolerated*. If you want to debate, fine, but when I hear shit like this: "The best communists are those that live in non communist countries. They never see/feel the real hand of it on them, so they get all fanatical about it n stuff its really very very interesting to watch, I recommend it. The ones that live in the real communist countries mostly seem to hate it after awhile.. go figure.. It probably has to do with it usually being forced on them by a minority. I think two things.. 1. Joe hates microsoft for the wrong reasons. 2. Joe likes linux for the wrong reasons too. (free doesn't necessarily mean no cost)" Courtesy of dickhead up there, I feel it is within my rights to respond. Anyone who has a problem with this can kiss my ass. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 17:44:08 up 17:13, 5 users, load average: 0.03, 0.08, 0.06 A lifetime isn't nearly long enough to figure out what it's all about. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 04:18 pm, JoeHill wrote: > No, I don't appreciate being treated with disdain by someone whom I have > gone *out of my way* to be nice to, to help, to treat as a friend. > > You only get one chance with me, unfortunately, in that kind of > situation. > > So, fuck off. ok, so now i have a questionwhere is the REAL newbie linux list? you know, the list where people try to help other people out when they can't figure something out on their own? personally, i don't mind things going onto a tangent and things other than linux (or whatever the list may be for) being brought up (for this list i would think anything computer related whether it be software, hardware, news, lawsuits, etc). but the name calling and all this other BS is just too much. i understand expressing your views on something, but telling someone to "fuck off" really makes me wonder if i'm on the right mailing list or not. having opinions and knowing how to express them is a wonderful thing to be able to do, but i believe that in kindergarten they start teaching you to not call people names or the like when you don't agree with them or their views. hey, i'm not perfect, i'm not on a soapbox, i'm not preaching, but this is turning into childish non-sense. grow up or go to aol or yahoo chat rooms to bicker with people and act like children. i'm on this list to try to learn something and get tips/pointers/help when i'm stuck on whatever it may be that i can't do on my ownnot to feel like i'm reading a transcription of my children arguing with each other. i have a feeling joe doesn't like me either based on his reply to what i posted about common sense when that kazaa thread started going way off topic. i don't think he knows what common sense is, as noted by the comments he just directed to Anne. joe, if you feel so inclined to give me the same response as you just gave to anne, do it "offlist" as to not clog everyone else's mailboxes up with utter garbage and non-sense. you won't hurt my feelings or make me bitter by doing so either. can we get back to linux and other computer related stuff now? Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] O.T. Hypocrasy?
received an e-mail with this as a footer: MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Paul M _ CYTANET WebMail http://webmail.cytanet.com.cy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] flowcharting software?
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 03:04 pm, Grant wrote: > Does anyone know of any flowcharting software for Linux? > look at kivio, it should be on your cds. -- /g "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] samba security premissions.
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 02:48 pm, Daniel Buchanan wrote: > the share as well. I would really like to know where to look to see a > login/activity log. /var/log/samba -- /g "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:07:37 +0800 "Frankie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > Anyway, enough of this rubbish.. > If I start another one of these flamewar things Stephen will > never forgive me.. Too late, arsewipe. I tried to take it offlist, Anne brought it back on, and here you are continuing it. Neither of you know the slightest thing about communism, gleaning all you think you know from network news and tabloids. But, frankly, this was never about communism. *You* called me a communist, and I made a flippant remark about being "not quite". *You* continue this diatribe against communism and everything that threatens your tiny, pathetic little existence, if you will, just don't try to paint me as the agitator. >From you it doesn't surprise me, but for Anne to post a singularly trollish comment like: > > Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post > > next. > > > > I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people > > there think about communism. I am quite surprised and dismayed. I have always treated her with the utmost respect and even admiration. Now I see her true colours, posting a private communication on a public forum, thus aggravating the situation further. As far as I am concerned, you are both to be deeply ashamed for this kind of attack. I have made every effort with you, Frankie boy, over the last couple of days since you helped me with my mailserver, to be as agreeable as possible. You have, as Anne, treated me to abuse, fixating on one comment out of a whole discussion to label me a communist, and belittle me for any sympathies I may have with that philosophy. To hell with you both then, I don't need help from people who cannot use their own best judgement to avoid heated topics, as I have made a serious effort to do of late, well, except on the OT list. I'm not interested in your ill-informed opinions on communism, your mockery of my beliefs, or your childish insults. Buh-bye. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 16:42:02 up 16:11, 5 users, load average: 0.16, 0.05, 0.01 He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know. -- Lao Tsu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] MS is at it again...
Hello JoeHill, Tuesday, July 22, 2003, 9:06:26 AM, you wrote: J> This is what frightens the RIAA so very much, their whole business J> is based on promotion and distribution. Yep. This is how I am doing my protesting. I do NOT buy any music from the 'biggies' any more. It has turned out quite well, and I don't feel like I am missing anything. For me, it has turned out to be a better solution. In snooping around the net, I have found several groups that I like MUCH better than anything I hear on radio, TV, etc. Much of this is just the boy-band-of-the-week anyway. Yech. J> Chuck D. from Public Enemy is a real pioneer in this area, but there are J> many others: J> http://www.boycott-riaa.com/artists/ I check his list of labels before I buy anything. It is helpful in avoiding those who try to hide their affiliation. I've become a great fan of open source for more than just linux. http://www.archive.org/ has some interesting links for music, among other things. Search on 'open source music' for more info. Even the esoteric, expensive world of medical information has dipped a toe into open info via the Public Library of Science. We're slowly going in the right direction, I guess. Even so, the teenies will still be brainwashed by the media to pump $$ into whatever the biggies are pushing. I doubt many will do what I am doing - it doesn't conform to their peer pressure. :-) It might be a very interesting nightmare for RIAA if indies DID get popular with this group, though. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 9:18 pm, JoeHill wrote: [...] > No, I don't appreciate being treated with disdain by someone whom I have > gone *out of my way* to be nice to, to help, to treat as a friend. > > You only get one chance with me, unfortunately, in that kind of > situation. > > So, fuck off. Wow, you really are a prick aren't you? The mails that I replied to earlier I now notice were direct to you. Despite being polite you chose to be abusive in return. Your reply to Anne, who is unfailingly courteous, not to mention one of the regulars who will help anyone with a problem, says far more about you than you can imagine. I'd like to imagine you as a sulky teenager which would at least provide some sort of poor excuse for you, unfortunately I suspect the rreality falls in the first line of this reply. regards Daryl -- Marriage is the waste-paper basket of the emotions. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
I like you Anne, you have what my grandpappy called spunk :-) I agree, he doesn't like to listen, he likes to sprout... The best communists are those that live in non communist countries. They never see/feel the real hand of it on them, so they get all fanatical about it n stuff its really very very interesting to watch, I recommend it. The ones that live in the real communist countries mostly seem to hate it after awhile.. go figure.. It probably has to do with it usually being forced on them by a minority. I think two things.. 1. Joe hates microsoft for the wrong reasons. 2. Joe likes linux for the wrong reasons too. (free doesn't necessarily mean no cost) Anyway, enough of this rubbish.. If I start another one of these flamewar things Stephen will never forgive me.. I wouldn't have seen this at all cos I consulted with those wiser then myself and received advice to the effect that Joes posts should be sent straight to my bit bucket (notice I said "my" bit bucket, i am not suggestion you all ignore him.. they I would certainly not be offended if you did. :-) I would never ignore anne's posts though... :-) so here I am. Back to linux it is... regards franki htmlfixit.com PS, hopefully Joe has filtered me, so if no-one responds to this, he will never know I sent it.. so please don't :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2003 3:09 AM To: newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!! On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 7:51 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:39:45 +0100 > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post > > next. > > > > I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people > > there think about communism. > > whatever, then don't bother communicating with me ever again. OK - you don't like to hear anything against your beliefs do you? Now can we get back to linux? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:09:07 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post > > > next. Oh, I see, you can cut the discussion off, but not me? > > > I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people > > > there think about communism. You wouldn't know communism if you were pissing on it. You took a trip to Russia, it doesn't make you an expert. > > whatever, then don't bother communicating with me ever again. > > OK - you don't like to hear anything against your beliefs do you? > No, I don't appreciate being treated with disdain by someone whom I have gone *out of my way* to be nice to, to help, to treat as a friend. You only get one chance with me, unfortunately, in that kind of situation. So, fuck off. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 16:15:06 up 15:44, 5 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.01 It is only with the heart one can see clearly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. -- The Fox, 'The Little Prince" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 7:51 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:39:45 +0100 > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post > > next. > > > > I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people > > there think about communism. > > whatever, then don't bother communicating with me ever again. OK - you don't like to hear anything against your beliefs do you? Now can we get back to linux? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] MS at it again
It seems that there are 2 separate discussions going on here, firstly, licensing of software issues and, secondly, the companies exploitation of musicians, et. With music companies, they trap musicians with big advances, put them up hotels, get the whole PR stuff going, pay for their recording, grooming, etc THEN give them the bill. Fortunately (?) now they're focussed on a few artistes who will get them money leaving the rest to go back to the more traditional 'if enough people think you're good, you'll make it". Being a boring old fart I can remeber going to see unknowns that the recording industry were ignoring, like Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, etc. Pity they've turned out as bad as the rest (corrupted by the industry?). If I buy a car, it's mine. I can give it away, I can sell it on, whatever. I cannot do this with (e.g.) MS products. Even if (as in the case of the Austarlian charity giving old PCs to Vietnam & the Philipines) if it is old stock (Win 3.1 & 95). Keeping to the car analogy, would many buy a Ford if they could only drive it where they were told, using Ford fuel. I'll make my choices who my money goes to. Paul M _ CYTANET WebMail http://webmail.cytanet.com.cy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] samba security premissions.
I am trying to configure samba (from mandrake 8.2) to allow everyone to read a share but to allow only me to have write and delete premissions. I managed to successfully connect to the share from a windoze 2k machine using my samba user/password. The linux,it's a laptop, and win2k machines are on different domain/workgroups. I noticed that no conections ever show up in the all conections list nor in the one for the share as well. I would really like to know where to look to see a login/activity log. I'm attaching my .conf file as well. The win2k machine is on a microbully network with a win2k server running as a pdc and the laptop is on the workgroup that runs at home. I have never been able to do this type of configuration so i'm hopping it's just something simple. I use webadmin for my system maintenance. # This is the main Samba configuration file. You should read the # smb.conf(5) manual page in order to understand the options listed # here. Samba has a huge number of configurable options (perhaps too # many!) most of which are not shown in this example # # Any line which starts with a ; (semi-colon) or a # (hash) # is a comment and is ignored. In this example we will use a # # for commentry and a ; for parts of the config file that you # may wish to enable # # NOTE: Whenever you modify this file you should run the command "testparm" # to check that you have not made any basic syntactic errors. # #=== Global Settings = [global] smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd printing = cups dns proxy = no security = share server string = dan's laptop workgroup = pokemon socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m netbios name = porygon load printers = yes public = yes os level = 1 printcap name = lpstat default = download max log size = 50 [public] path = /home/local/samba-public writable = yes comment = Public space with read-write access public = yes [download] path = /home/dan/download writable = yes user = dan,nobody only user = yes read list = nobody valid users = dan,nobody public = yes write list = dan [mavica] path = /home/dan/mavica writable = yes preserve case = yes user = dan,nobody only user = yes read list = nobody map hidden = no valid users = dan,nobody comment = pictures delete readonly = yes mangle case = yes case sensitive = yes write list = dan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] flowcharting software?
Does anyone know of any flowcharting software for Linux? - Grant Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 6:05 pm, JoeHill wrote: > and if you think I'm a communist, you are close, and it is not a > crime. If it bothers you that much tho, hey, filter me! LOL! Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next. I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people there think about communism. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT address?
Cornerstone Community Farm wrote: Please re-post the OT address for all to benefit! Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:38:01 +0800 "Frankie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: look, I am not looking for a showdown on "what is information". That has been an ongoing debate for decades and will continue no doubt. My point has a very narrow focus, a legal one, on which I am backed up by hundreds of years of legal precedent, the EFF, the FSF, and OS advocates in general. Information cannot be *stolen*, it is an autonomous resource, and to try to define ownership is folly and futile. and if you think I'm a communist, you are close, and it is not a crime. If it bothers you that much tho, hey, filter me! LOL! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 13:01:55 up 12:31, 5 users, load average: 0.03, 0.06, 0.03 We're all in this alone. -- Lily Tomlin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 5:12 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:49:23 +0100 > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > I wonder if there's a catch we don't know about, or whether it's > > just that they think they'll never get anywhere without the > > contract. It seems to be an ideal answer, but obviously many > > artists aren't convinced. > > Further: > > http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php > > interesting model. I strongly believe that Open Source is the sol'n > to many conundrums such as music, software, and ideas in general. > Everyone is too focused on "mine mine mine" like 3 yr olds in a > sandbox. It's time capitalism grew up! An interesting article. There's a possible weakness in the huge variety of models, but choice for the artist is a plus. I'm a bit dubious about the 'Ad Revenue Sharing', as it could easily turn into yet another way of giving micro amounts to the artist and keeping the rest for the site. I'm not too keen, either, on having governments fix the fee (Individual Compulsory Licenses). Still, that leaves several others that could work. Apart from the distributor rip-off, the other often-heard argument is that you only really want one or two tracks from an album. So, serious question from one who no longer follows much in the music line, how much would you pay per track? Personally I would like to be able to listen for, say, 1/2 minute free of charge before buying on a per track basis. This would enable me to buy artists and tracks that I have not heard before, with confidence. I would almost certainly buy more if I could do this. I can't bring myself to pay £16 or whatever on the off chance that I would play a cd more than a couple of times, so I don't buy many. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] MS is at it again...
Dude, here is the thing.. Your opinion of what is information appears to be different from everyone elses. Define information?? I think your current definition is flawed, but lets here it from your own lips. A program can manipulate information and many of them do.. the program itself however is NOT information since it conveys no import by itself, its a tool. IT would appear that you think programmers that want to protect their work should NOT use OSS as a means to do that.. after all, If I give you the binary instead of the src, its much harder to define it as info. (or better, make software that will only run on one machine and that copies will not run on other systems) That's it,, burn your mandrake disks now you silly boy, that's microsnot talk. Simple fact is.. If I break into your house and take your telly (do you have a good one??? also, what is your address???) Its stealing and If I got caught, I'd expect to be prosecuted.. why? because the real owner of that telly paid for it and it was his (or hers)... When I create something that people want.. (a basic principle of commerce the world over) it has whatever value I assign it.. It is mine, and I own it.. Just like a sculpture, a chair a boat or anything else I create. If someone buys it. They own the rights to it. the rights being that they can sell it or give it away as long as they do so to only one person or company and give up their own copy.. Just like any other possession. Those are the rights I give to someone when I sell my software as non GPL. I agree Microsnot has gone way to far in their "rights" as you never really have any accept that you can USE their software for as long as THEY deem appropriate and under their constraints.. but it IS their right to do so.. It's everyone else's right to not use Microsnot software. (which I suggest wherever possible). To say that stealing things like programs, books, movies should be a non criminal act is tell every author, singer, movie house etc that they should only expect to sell something once and have that one person share it with everyone else.. That's fine, but imagine how much things would start costing. You have not thought that though Joe, if your policy was put into effect, there would be precious little money in those fields and whole industries would fail, no movies, no books, no songs, sounds like a great world to me. (NOT) I think the way the recording industry are trying to enforce it is the wrong approach.. but I don't think anyone intelligent can deny their right to their works. Would they have spent 300 million making the titanic had it been legal to give it away or sell it for 2 bucks a pop?? you can't take ten million or more people to court.. its just not practical. But our rights need protecting so what to do?? Joe, have you written software? a book? Something else that you class as "info" and had it stolen??? I dount it from your comments here. Funny thing was I agreed with the initial points, but everything you said after that is just rubbish. The way you say it, is that the small guy should get out of business if he/she can't afford to sue those that infringe his rights?? so only companies like microsnot can stay in business... no thanks i don't want to live in that world.. Its only free to sue if you win.. and there is always the risk you won't. Multiply that by thousands and you have a case where only the recording industry, microsnot or the movie industry can afford to stay in business.. Anyway, I am not gonna get dragged into this again,, fool me once, shame on you.. fool me twice shame on me. That was my last word on the subject, so go ahead Joe, convince us of your intelligence or lack thereof. My experiance from the OT list is that you are about 2mm from communism in your outlook.. So you probably think that work should be shared.. fine, if the government feed me, clothed me, paid my expenses, I'd think about it.. otherwise I have a right to expect to earn a living just like a plumber or an electrician. regards Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JoeHill Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 11:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:33:21 +0800 "Frankie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > Once again Joe, we find ourselves at the opposite end of > the spectrum.. no, no, no, you are misunderstanding me. > so you are saying that any creative works that is not a painting > or sculture or other (real world item) has no value?? not at *all*. things have the value we give them. *All* I am saying pertains to *legal* definitions, how they are and how they can be improved. No one *ever* pays attention! > I actually write small programs, and most often I give them > away > for free.. but not always.. > > If I spend alot of time working on a script, i reserve the > right to > charge for it if I want to.. after all, I spend the hours > and hours >
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:49:23 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > I wonder if there's a catch we don't know about, or whether it's just > that they think they'll never get anywhere without the contract. It > seems to be an ideal answer, but obviously many artists aren't > convinced. More and more artists are going this route. This is what frightens the RIAA so very much, their whole business is based on promotion and distribution. Chuck D. from Public Enemy is a real pioneer in this area, but there are many others: http://www.boycott-riaa.com/artists/ -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 12:02:49 up 11:32, 5 users, load average: 0.09, 0.08, 0.08 To lead people, you must follow behind. -- Lao Tsu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 4:37 pm, Harv Nelson wrote: > >>or should we have the right to own what we create just like > >>a person that creates a sculpture or paints a picture etc... > > Unfortunately, the creator/author of a work is seldom the person to > reap the greatest benefit from his creativity/creation. Rather, > the distributor of the creative work usually reaps an undue reward > ... RIAA, auction houses, theaters, movie producers, publishers, > etc., are examples. > > I could never understand why recording artists did NOT immediately > latch on to some "nickle-a-pop" revision "napster", etc. and make > it their own. > I wonder if there's a catch we don't know about, or whether it's just that they think they'll never get anywhere without the contract. It seems to be an ideal answer, but obviously many artists aren't convinced. Anne > > Frankie wrote: > >Once again Joe, we find ourselves at the opposite end of > >the spectrum.. > > > >so you are saying that any creative works that is not a > >painting > >or sculture or other (real world item) has no value?? > > > >so Lord of the rings should have always been free because > >its just > >"information"??? > > > >I actually write small programs, and most often I give them > >away > >for free.. but not always.. > > > >If I spend alot of time working on a script, i reserve the > >right to > >charge for it if I want to.. after all, I spend the hours > >and hours > >writing it. > > > >Also, if 1000's of people start handing a script I wrote > >that is not > >free to all their mates.. > > > >I am just a small guy, I can't afford to do anything about > >it. > >So they would all get away with it.. > > > >I know you probably don't care.. because you didn't spend > >days working > >on it.. but having something I worked so hard on totally > >devalued makes > >me very angry.. > > > >If I give it away for free like I normally do, thats fine, > >it was my > >choice.. but to have you decide its "information" and just > >hand it out > >is wrong and since I can't afford to go after anyone for it, > >they would > >all get away with it if there were not laws protecting me. > > > >So what is the answer Joe, you can't have it both ways.. > >should we all > >stop programmign potentially useful software because its not > >worth > >anything... or should we have the right to own what we > >create just like > >a person that creates a sculpture or paints a picture etc... > > > >Does translation to 1's and 0's make something worthless? > >because the same can be done for your genitical profile > > > >:-) > > > >regards > > > > > >Franki > >htmlfixit.com > > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JoeHill > >Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 9:07 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... > > > > > >On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:33:42 +0100 > > > >Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > >>The result of a > >>programmer's work is *not* information, > > > >Really? Looks like bits and bytes to me, but then I am no > >programmer. > > > >The programmer is being paid for his/her efforts and time, > >in the end. > >Whether he or she releases the source code is up to him/her. > > > >The point is, it is up to creative types, artists, > >programmers, what > >have you, to enforce their own copyrights, it is not a > >matter for the > >criminal law. Sure, downloading Photoshop for free is not > >"right", but > >it is not a criminal offense. No existing property was > >actually stolen, > >no quantifiable harm has been done. That is why the BSA's > >estimates of > >how much money is lost each year to software piracy is such > >a load of > >bull. Who's to say if I didn't download it I would actually > >buy it? > > > >This is why I swithed from warez pirate to OS Linux, I > >didn't want to > >get into that whole sha-mozzle. It's a dead end street. > > > > > > > >-- > >Joehill > >Registered Linux user #282046 > >Homepage: nodex.sytes.net > >++ > > 09:01:20 up 8:31, 1 user, load average: 0.18, 0.21, 0.14 > >Reality does not exist -- yet. > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >-- > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT address?
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 08:24 am, JoeHill wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:16:45 -0500 > > Cornerstone Community Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > Please re-post the OT address for all to benefit! > > Thanks > > http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot > > warning: there are many on there with very short tempers and bad > attitudes. *I* try to keep them under control, but it ain't always easy. > > The ones to watch out for are Robin Turner, Tom Brinkman, and N.B. Day, > very ill tempered and will snap your head off for nothing! > > ;) > > I'm sure they'll happily fill you in on me! I'm hurt after all the times that i got your blood pressure up :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OT address?
Please re-post the OT address for all to benefit! Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:49:23 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > I wonder if there's a catch we don't know about, or whether it's just > that they think they'll never get anywhere without the contract. It > seems to be an ideal answer, but obviously many artists aren't > convinced. Further: http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php interesting model. I strongly believe that Open Source is the sol'n to many conundrums such as music, software, and ideas in general. Everyone is too focused on "mine mine mine" like 3 yr olds in a sandbox. It's time capitalism grew up! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 12:10:08 up 11:39, 5 users, load average: 0.13, 0.14, 0.10 Expansion means complexity; and complexity decay. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:37:43 -0500 Harv Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > Unfortunately, the creator/author of a work is seldom the person to > reap the greatest benefit from his creativity/creation. Rather, the > distributor of the creative work usually reaps an undue reward ... > RIAA, auction houses, theaters, movie producers, publishers, etc., are > examples. > > I could never understand why recording artists did NOT immediately > latch on to some "nickle-a-pop" revision "napster", etc. and make it > their own. BINGO! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 11:50:01 up 11:19, 5 users, load average: 0.11, 0.18, 0.10 Getting there is only half as far as getting there and back. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
> If I spend alot of time working on a script, i reserve the > right to > charge for it if I want to.. after all, I spend the hours > and hours > writing it. Which you have with the GPL although you cannot demand it, BUT I do agree in the sense that programmer has the right to use whichever license he/she feels for his software, I personally would prefer if GPL or the BSD License would be used. I guess this is the point you are trying make as well /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
or should we have the right to own what we create just like a person that creates a sculpture or paints a picture etc... Unfortunately, the creator/author of a work is seldom the person to reap the greatest benefit from his creativity/creation. Rather, the distributor of the creative work usually reaps an undue reward ... RIAA, auction houses, theaters, movie producers, publishers, etc., are examples. I could never understand why recording artists did NOT immediately latch on to some "nickle-a-pop" revision "napster", etc. and make it their own. Harv Frankie wrote: Once again Joe, we find ourselves at the opposite end of the spectrum.. so you are saying that any creative works that is not a painting or sculture or other (real world item) has no value?? so Lord of the rings should have always been free because its just "information"??? I actually write small programs, and most often I give them away for free.. but not always.. If I spend alot of time working on a script, i reserve the right to charge for it if I want to.. after all, I spend the hours and hours writing it. Also, if 1000's of people start handing a script I wrote that is not free to all their mates.. I am just a small guy, I can't afford to do anything about it. So they would all get away with it.. I know you probably don't care.. because you didn't spend days working on it.. but having something I worked so hard on totally devalued makes me very angry.. If I give it away for free like I normally do, thats fine, it was my choice.. but to have you decide its "information" and just hand it out is wrong and since I can't afford to go after anyone for it, they would all get away with it if there were not laws protecting me. So what is the answer Joe, you can't have it both ways.. should we all stop programmign potentially useful software because its not worth anything... or should we have the right to own what we create just like a person that creates a sculpture or paints a picture etc... Does translation to 1's and 0's make something worthless? because the same can be done for your genitical profile :-) regards Franki htmlfixit.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JoeHill Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 9:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:33:42 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: The result of a programmer's work is *not* information, Really? Looks like bits and bytes to me, but then I am no programmer. The programmer is being paid for his/her efforts and time, in the end. Whether he or she releases the source code is up to him/her. The point is, it is up to creative types, artists, programmers, what have you, to enforce their own copyrights, it is not a matter for the criminal law. Sure, downloading Photoshop for free is not "right", but it is not a criminal offense. No existing property was actually stolen, no quantifiable harm has been done. That is why the BSA's estimates of how much money is lost each year to software piracy is such a load of bull. Who's to say if I didn't download it I would actually buy it? This is why I swithed from warez pirate to OS Linux, I didn't want to get into that whole sha-mozzle. It's a dead end street. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 09:01:20 up 8:31, 1 user, load average: 0.18, 0.21, 0.14 Reality does not exist -- yet. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:33:21 +0800 "Frankie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > Once again Joe, we find ourselves at the opposite end of > the spectrum.. no, no, no, you are misunderstanding me. > so you are saying that any creative works that is not a painting > or sculture or other (real world item) has no value?? not at *all*. things have the value we give them. *All* I am saying pertains to *legal* definitions, how they are and how they can be improved. No one *ever* pays attention! > I actually write small programs, and most often I give them > away > for free.. but not always.. > > If I spend alot of time working on a script, i reserve the > right to > charge for it if I want to.. after all, I spend the hours > and hours > writing it. of course you do, and rightly so, but if someone downloads the app and misappropriates it, *it is not a criminal offense*, repeat after me, it is a *civil* matter of contracts and copyrights!! > Also, if 1000's of people start handing a script I wrote > that is not > free to all their mates.. > > I am just a small guy, I can't afford to do anything about > it. > So they would all get away with it.. Tough. It's the way the game is played. If you are not willing to defend your licenses and copyrights then get out of business. Sorry, I don't mean to sound heartless...and if you take someone to court for breach of contract or license, you don't pay a cent, they do. > I know you probably don't care.. because you didn't spend > days working > on it.. but having something I worked so hard on totally > devalued makes > me very angry.. I *do* care, and you have no reason to be angry at me, I am arguing a very specific point here, and people have taken it completely the wrong way. > If I give it away for free like I normally do, thats fine, > it was my > choice.. but to have you decide its "information" and just > hand it out > is wrong and since I can't afford to go after anyone for it, > they would > all get away with it if there were not laws protecting me. There *are* laws protecting you, just not criminal ones! > or should we have the right to own what we create just like > a person that creates a sculpture or paints a picture etc... ah, now there's the rub. can you "own" information? Quite clearly not. What you *can* own is the rights to use said info in your work, and if you offer that info (app) for public consumption, then you do so contractually. If someone violates that contract, fine, sue him. > Does translation to 1's and 0's make something worthless? > because the same can be done for your genitical profile No, but it makes it information and therefore no longer a matter for the criminal courts. Of course it has value, just don't ask the F.B. f'ckn I. to arrest people who appropriate your code! As far as "genetical" code, of course no one should own that, it is a product of nature, we only tinker here and there. Owning genetic code is ridiculous and, quite frankly, a frightening concept. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 11:25:17 up 10:55, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.10 Murphy was an optimist. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CD3
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 16:37, drew martin wrote: > That worked. > Drew > > > __ Pleased to hear it (I think) Paul M Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended Webcams [was - Recommended A4 Scanners]
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 1:34 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:22:04 +0100 > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > The point of the page is to be as helpful as possible, and I > > think that bad as well as good is needed to do that. Don't you > > agree? > > Anne's in a scrappy mood today! Everyone give her a big group hug! Hey - didn't mean to be scrappy Just explaining my thinking. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT address?
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:16:45 -0500 Cornerstone Community Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > Please re-post the OT address for all to benefit! > Thanks http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot warning: there are many on there with very short tempers and bad attitudes. *I* try to keep them under control, but it ain't always easy. The ones to watch out for are Robin Turner, Tom Brinkman, and N.B. Day, very ill tempered and will snap your head off for nothing! ;) I'm sure they'll happily fill you in on me! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 11:22:15 up 10:52, 5 users, load average: 0.04, 0.10, 0.13 Just remember, wherever you go, there you are. -- Buckaroo Bonzai Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] MS is at it again...
Once again Joe, we find ourselves at the opposite end of the spectrum.. so you are saying that any creative works that is not a painting or sculture or other (real world item) has no value?? so Lord of the rings should have always been free because its just "information"??? I actually write small programs, and most often I give them away for free.. but not always.. If I spend alot of time working on a script, i reserve the right to charge for it if I want to.. after all, I spend the hours and hours writing it. Also, if 1000's of people start handing a script I wrote that is not free to all their mates.. I am just a small guy, I can't afford to do anything about it. So they would all get away with it.. I know you probably don't care.. because you didn't spend days working on it.. but having something I worked so hard on totally devalued makes me very angry.. If I give it away for free like I normally do, thats fine, it was my choice.. but to have you decide its "information" and just hand it out is wrong and since I can't afford to go after anyone for it, they would all get away with it if there were not laws protecting me. So what is the answer Joe, you can't have it both ways.. should we all stop programmign potentially useful software because its not worth anything... or should we have the right to own what we create just like a person that creates a sculpture or paints a picture etc... Does translation to 1's and 0's make something worthless? because the same can be done for your genitical profile :-) regards Franki htmlfixit.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JoeHill Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 9:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:33:42 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > The result of a > programmer's work is *not* information, Really? Looks like bits and bytes to me, but then I am no programmer. The programmer is being paid for his/her efforts and time, in the end. Whether he or she releases the source code is up to him/her. The point is, it is up to creative types, artists, programmers, what have you, to enforce their own copyrights, it is not a matter for the criminal law. Sure, downloading Photoshop for free is not "right", but it is not a criminal offense. No existing property was actually stolen, no quantifiable harm has been done. That is why the BSA's estimates of how much money is lost each year to software piracy is such a load of bull. Who's to say if I didn't download it I would actually buy it? This is why I swithed from warez pirate to OS Linux, I didn't want to get into that whole sha-mozzle. It's a dead end street. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 09:01:20 up 8:31, 1 user, load average: 0.18, 0.21, 0.14 Reality does not exist -- yet. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] error in opening attachment with netscape in linux
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 22:39, JoeHill wrote: > 2nite is the nite! That's a song by Rod Stewart. -- Tue Jul 22 23:25:00 EST 2003 23:25:00 up 8 days, 15:28, 2 users, load average: 1.21, 1.04, 0.64 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * pain, n.: One thing, at least it proves that you're alive! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] ip tables and ip masq
Slightly I want to modify my yesterday mail. In a PC with modem, which is to act as masq server, I have already installed iptables. However starting its daemon during startup was disabled by me. Now I have followed IP-masquerade howto. I made rc.firewall-2.4 , put it in /etc/rc.d and firewall-2.4 in /etc/rc.d/init.d/. Now when I ran rc.firewall-2.4 in command line, I get errors many modules are already running. Further gateway ip address of eth0, I can ping. When masq server is connected to internet, I can ping its dynamically allocated ip address. But I can't ping its dns server by its number also. The rules were intially as propsed by ip-masq howto [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# netstat -rn Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface 61.1.161.42 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 0 0 ppp0 192.168.16.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 61.1.161.42 0.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 ppp0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# iptables -t nat -L Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination MASQUERADE all -- anywhere anywhere Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# iptables -L Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy DROP) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere LOGall -- anywhere anywhere LOG level warning Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination but after doing [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# iptables -L Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere LOGall -- anywhere anywhere LOG level warning Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination In this copndition masq is working. Only I want some clarification. Why it is now working but not with previous rules. In both general condition of ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere exists. -- L.V.Gandhi 203, Soundaryalahari Apartments, Lawsons Bay colony, Visakhapatnam, 530017 MECON, 5th Floor, RTC Complex, Visakhapatnam AP 530020 INDIA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] opening port 8080
Apache is only listening on port 80. I'm trying to get Zope up and running on port 8080. But, whenever I try to hit http://myurl:8080 it will only work on my server, and none of the other machines. Somehow, even though this appears to be open in the firewall and Zope is up and listening, the outside requests are not getting through...driving me up the wall. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] error in opening attachment with netscape in linux
On 22 Jul 2003 22:28:36 +1000 Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > They're OpenOffice and StarOffice documents, Mr. Gangabrain. sorry. but the correct spelling is "ganjabrain", and I am utterly dry at the moment :( just coffee for me this AM! but my friend assures me 2nite is the nite! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 08:38:20 up 8:08, 1 user, load average: 0.33, 0.15, 0.10 The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusions. -- Maurice Chapelain, "Main courante" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] CD3
That worked. Drew Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 12:13 pm, Robin Turner wrote: [...] > In American law it's a "person" - comes from a case around the turn of > the century: Dartmouth College vs. someone-or-other. > > Time we took this thread to the OT list? > > Sir Robin And in the UK it's Salomon v Salomon Ltd, turn of the 20th century, though my memory isn't so good these days. ;o) Yes you're right, it's well OT now. regards Daryl -- When confronted by a difficult problem, you can solve it more easily by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:33:42 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > The result of a > programmer's work is *not* information, Really? Looks like bits and bytes to me, but then I am no programmer. The programmer is being paid for his/her efforts and time, in the end. Whether he or she releases the source code is up to him/her. The point is, it is up to creative types, artists, programmers, what have you, to enforce their own copyrights, it is not a matter for the criminal law. Sure, downloading Photoshop for free is not "right", but it is not a criminal offense. No existing property was actually stolen, no quantifiable harm has been done. That is why the BSA's estimates of how much money is lost each year to software piracy is such a load of bull. Who's to say if I didn't download it I would actually buy it? This is why I swithed from warez pirate to OS Linux, I didn't want to get into that whole sha-mozzle. It's a dead end street. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 09:01:20 up 8:31, 1 user, load average: 0.18, 0.21, 0.14 Reality does not exist -- yet. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended Webcams [was - Recommended A4 Scanners]
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:22:04 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > The point of the page is to be as helpful as possible, and I think > that bad as well as good is needed to do that. Don't you agree? Anne's in a scrappy mood today! Everyone give her a big group hug! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 08:33:51 up 8:03, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.06 Reality always seems harsher in the early morning. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 1:01 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:48:28 +0100 > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > if you work 40 hours/week or more on something, don't you expect > > to get paid? > > for me, that's a *big* if! :))) but of course, for my time and > effort, not for my info. Trying to cage info is like trying to > hogtie a snake. So how do you pay a programmer for his time and effots? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 1:32 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:20:12 +0100 > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > So how do you pay a programmer for his time and effots? > > er, by the hour? or on a per-project basis, or contract, I dunno. > > I don't know payroll! All I know is, it is impossible to make > information a commodity, at least not without getting into the mess > we're in now with IP, P2P, and DMCA and all that. Of course people > shouldn't work for free... But you see this isn't a matter of payroll. The result of a programmer's work is *not* information, it is a product, and it should be for him to decide whether that product is given away or sold. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 12:44 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:49:49 +0800 > > "Frankie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > All pirated, of course ... > > but...what *is* pirated...did Photoshop invent *everything* that > goes into their product? > > Like Disney, they whinge about IP, but 90% of their movies are not > original at all! > > Information must be free! > Information, yes. And some people donate their spare time for free, but if you work 40 hours/week or more on something, don't you expect to get paid? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:20:12 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > So how do you pay a programmer for his time and effots? er, by the hour? or on a per-project basis, or contract, I dunno. I don't know payroll! All I know is, it is impossible to make information a commodity, at least not without getting into the mess we're in now with IP, P2P, and DMCA and all that. Of course people shouldn't work for free... -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 08:29:43 up 7:59, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.08, 0.08 There's only one everything. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] error in opening attachment with netscape in linux
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 21:37, JoeHill wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but what in the name of sweet Mary mother of God is > an .sxw or .sxc? They're OpenOffice and StarOffice documents, Mr. Gangabrain. > Also, try saving the doc to your home dir first, then open with > appropriate app (OO). > > Mayhap Mozilla has probs interfacing with OO? -- Tue Jul 22 22:25:00 EST 2003 22:25:00 up 8 days, 14:28, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.04 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Factorials were someone's attempt to make math LOOK exciting. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Problem with rpmdrake 9.1
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:04:06 -0400 "Rana D'Costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > Hi! Is it possible to configure the settings of rpmdrake 9.1 so that > while installing packages from installation CD of Mandrake Linux 9.1 > it will prompt to insert the CD into CD-Rom instead of my cd writer? Each CD must have its own "path", therefore no, not really. However, you could follow SK's seminal advice (and I mean SEMINAL, LOL!) and copy the contents of the CDs to your HD in /usr/src/mdkcd1, etc. I did that and now it's like making love to a beautiful brunette on a beach in Fiji. I don't get out much... -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 07:38:04 up 7:07, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [Wisdom] is a tree of life to those laying hold of her, making happy each one holding her fast. -- Proverbs 3:18, NSV Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended Webcams [was - Recommended A4 Scanners]
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 1:05 pm, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: > > I would add, though, that it's just as important to add items > > that don't work, or work partially, with comments. Particularly > > if they are on hardware lists as being compatible. > > Ahh OK I thought it was just for stuff that worked - I'll add my > webcam then as I never did manage to get it to work. The point is that you obviously had great difficulties. That's useful to someone to know if they are considering buying one. OTOH, if someone else manages it they can edit, adding the fix. The point of the page is to be as helpful as possible, and I think that bad as well as good is needed to do that. Don't you agree? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended Webcams [was - Recommended A4 Scanners]
> > I would add, though, that it's just as important to add items that > don't work, or work partially, with comments. Particularly if they > are on hardware lists as being compatible. > Ahh OK I thought it was just for stuff that worked - I'll add my webcam then as I never did manage to get it to work. -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 92791912 13:03:06 up 8 days, 2:41, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.1
On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 18:46, keith deleeu wrote: > Has anyone managed to get Mandrake 9.1 working properly on an Apple > iBook version 2.3? I get 'funny' horizontal lines about 5cm wide, 5mm > apart, travelling continuously down the right-hand side of the screen > - is it just an XF86Config-4 problem? If so, what should this file > look like? Thanks. You might want to seriously look into the proper driver for the iBook - I seem to remember that I had some kinda ATI card in mine...so in identifying the proper driver, then obtaining it, you should have a clean go at it from there... You might want to boot into console mode to change/modify the driver as well - cuz sometimes when doing the driver from within XWin, you muck things up worse... -- Tue Jul 22 22:05:00 EST 2003 22:05:00 up 8 days, 14:08, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.10, 0.04 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Tu sais que t'es pas terrible pas toi ! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended Webcams [was - Recommended A4 Scanners]
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 12:21 pm, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: > > This is precisely the sort of info that really should be on the > > TWiki page. Could you make an entry, please? It could save > > someone a lot of heartache. If yoiu find a solution to the > > problem it would be easy to add that on later. > > > > http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/HardwareCompatibility > > I have added a Webcam section to the TWiki so if you have one that > works then please add the info to the TWiki page. After a good bit of research I have just ordered one that ie 'supposed' to work. I'll report back as soon as I know. Also, I have a LifeView CapView, which is used to capture from a camcorder. I have had partial success with this, and am working with the programmer of the driver to resolve problems. Again, I will add that (to the webcam section, I think) when our work is ended. I would add, though, that it's just as important to add items that don't work, or work partially, with comments. Particularly if they are on hardware lists as being compatible. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:48:28 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > if you work 40 hours/week or more on something, don't you expect > to get paid? for me, that's a *big* if! :))) but of course, for my time and effort, not for my info. Trying to cage info is like trying to hogtie a snake. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 07:59:53 up 7:29, 1 user, load average: 0.30, 0.11, 0.03 You can observe a lot just by watching. -- Yogi Berra Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:49:49 +0800 "Frankie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > All pirated, of course ... but...what *is* pirated...did Photoshop invent *everything* that goes into their product? Like Disney, they whinge about IP, but 90% of their movies are not original at all! Information must be free! read my manifesto :D -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 07:42:11 up 7:11, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.05, 0.01 Do not seek death; death will find you. But seek the road which makes death a fulfillment. -- Dag Hammarskjold Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] opening port 8080
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:22:57 +1200 Sharrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > apache it'll likely be in commonhttpd.conf or httpd.conf. or httpd2.conf? -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 07:41:29 up 7:11, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.06, 0.02 There's only one everything. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] error in opening attachment with netscape in linux
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:48:19 +0700 Eko Budiharto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > I have a situation where I receive any attachment in .doc or .sxw or > .xls or .sxc format and open it using openoffice, Iwill get an error > message : "Error loading document file :///tmp/Adm%20officer.sxw: > Read-Error. > Format error discovered in the file in sub-document styles.xml at > 1,18(row, col)." > Please someone tell me what cause this kind of error. > Thank you in advance. Excuse my ignorance, but what in the name of sweet Mary mother of God is an .sxw or .sxc? Also, try saving the doc to your home dir first, then open with appropriate app (OO). Mayhap Mozilla has probs interfacing with OO? -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 07:35:05 up 7:04, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 And ever has it been known that love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation. -- Kahlil Gibran Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) Making a file available for download
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:12:03 +0300 Robin Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > BTW, if you don't have a permanent IP number, check out www.no-ip.com > (thanks to Joe for making me aware of that one). It's so bloody easy, it makes my ISP quiver with rage. 'Course, my wife is a bigshot at my ISP, so, LOL! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 07:33:36 up 7:03, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.00 Murphy was an optimist. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) Making a file available for download
BTW, if you don't have a permanent IP number, check out www.no-ip.com (thanks to Joe for making me aware of that one). Sir Robin -- "A strategy is still being formulated." Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Recommended Webcams [was - Recommended A4 Scanners]
> This is precisely the sort of info that really should be on the TWiki > page. Could you make an entry, please? It could save someone a lot > of heartache. If yoiu find a solution to the problem it would be > easy to add that on later. > > http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/HardwareCompatibility > I have added a Webcam section to the TWiki so if you have one that works then please add the info to the TWiki page. -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 92791912 12:18:09 up 8 days, 1:56, 3 users, load average: 0.11, 0.06, 0.01 Disease can be cured; fate is incurable. -- Chinese proverb pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [newbie] MS is at it again...
Hey, complete is complete, Don't knock it.. :-) rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robin Turner Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2003 4:28 PM To: newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... rikona wrote: > > Bigger is NOT necessarily better. Here in Turkey if you buy from a smaller dealer, it's normal for a computer to come with a complete set of disks for Windows, MS Office and Photoshop. All pirated, of course ... Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.
ed tharp wrote: On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 13:47, Graham Watkins wrote: ed tharp wrote: lawyers and university professors and the NEA are not ruining the world, corporate greed is a serious problem itself. while Corporations are an "entity" they do not have feelings or emotions. they (the Corp). exist only as a group of papers. they are run by people, who for the most part, are trying to make it look as tho they are both following the rules to "play and work fair" and "make a profit". IMHO, as I see it, the real problem is that a Corporations "right to exist" trumps an individuals "right to exist", legally. According to Roger Scruton, whose lectures I attended many years ago, a corporation has the status of a person in law. This strikes me as unfortunate as a corporation, while possessing similar appetites, lacks many of the moral characteristics of a person - occasional inclinations towards altruism, any sense of fairness - above all, it completely lacks a sense of shame. It can, however, afford more and better legal help than the average regular person. I was under the impression it had the same status as an "enity" as any other "living" enity, which includes "persons" In American law it's a "person" - comes from a case around the turn of the century: Dartmouth College vs. someone-or-other. Time we took this thread to the OT list? Sir Robin -- "A strategy is still being formulated." Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] my site(self advt)
On Monday 21 Jul 2003 3:33 pm, L.V.Gandhi wrote: > On Monday 21 Jul 2003 2:50 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Monday 21 Jul 2003 1:51 am, L.V.Gandhi wrote: > > > I have uploaded on 19th Jul 2003, with some more useful info > > > for linux newbies. have a look at http://lvgandhi.tripod.com/. > > > any comments welcome. > > > > Hi, LV. There's a lot of good stuff there. I'll put a link onto > > the TWiki pages. The link to Hints seems to be broken, though? > > > > Anne > > Thanks for visiting. I am unable to follow what you meant by 'The > link to Hints seems to be broken'. If you mean word hints below > Linux sites, then it is nothing but a title for the hints under > various categories of hints. Taken note of it. I made a change to > give a linebreak between linux sites and hints and made hints bold. > Thanks for links to TWiki pages. Hi, LV - I see what you mean. Yes, the way you have it now makes the difference quite clear Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Recommended A4 Scanners for MDK91? - Decision Made!!
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 7:17 am, Eko Budiharto wrote: > Hi, > I just add some of my experience. In my office, I use UMAX Astra > 2200. I used it in Linux (with RAM 512MB) and Kooka, it worked > fine. But lately, I changed my memory (because the 512 is personal > belonging) and test it with Kooka and Sane, It hangs. > This is precisely the sort of info that really should be on the TWiki page. Could you make an entry, please? It could save someone a lot of heartache. If yoiu find a solution to the problem it would be easy to add that on later. http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/HardwareCompatibility Thanks Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.
On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 13:47, Graham Watkins wrote: > ed tharp wrote: > >>lawyers and university professors and the NEA are not ruining the world, > >>corporate greed is a serious problem itself. > > > > > > > > while Corporations are an "entity" they do not have feelings or > > emotions. they (the Corp). exist only as a group of papers. they are run > > by people, who for the most part, are trying to make it look as tho they > > are both following the rules to "play and work fair" and "make a > > profit". IMHO, as I see it, the real problem is that a Corporations > > "right to exist" trumps an individuals "right to exist", legally. > > > > According to Roger Scruton, whose lectures I attended many years ago, a > corporation has the status of a person in law. This strikes me as > unfortunate as a corporation, while possessing similar appetites, lacks > many of the moral characteristics of a person - occasional inclinations > towards altruism, any sense of fairness - above all, it completely lacks > a sense of shame. It can, however, afford more and better legal help > than the average regular person. > I was under the impression it had the same status as an "enity" as any other "living" enity, which includes "persons" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
