[newbie] kde and konqueror

[linux]

hi
i have a big problem! i changed the colors of kde(controlcenter->look&feel-
>style and so on) to a grey. while i'm browsing my harddisk with konqueror(like 
explorer in windows), there are all files listened up. The first line is grey, 
the second is just white! the followed line is grey, then white. every second 
line is just white. if i select all files, the filenames are showed in a 
different grey(you can have an other color for selecting).
do you know what i mean? i cant give you any screenshots cause i dont know how 
to made them under linux(how do i?). i will upload some pictures in the 
evening, now i am at work ;)

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla and my bank

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 31 Jul 2003 3:13 am, David wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 July 2003 12:11 pm, David wrote:
> > I use Mozilla for my personal accounts with one bank.
> > I have recently started a business account with another bank.
> > When I enter the account number and password with the new bank
> > and press go, nothing happens (using Mozilla). I can use my
> > wife's (retch) Win98 and Explorer and it works fine.
>
> OK - I accepted popups from the bank. Added the user.js file and
> tried Konq. None of which works.
> I am beginning to think that Derek is right and that it is a Java
> script problem. I installed Java sometime back but I recently
> upgraded to Mozilla 1.4 from 1.31. It seems to me that sometimes in
> upgrading not all things are correctly "connected". How would I go
> about checking to see if the Java that I have is working with this
> version of Mozilla.
> Dav id

Grit your teeth and turn back on everything that annoys you.  If the 
bank line works then, turn off just one item at a time until you find 
what upsets it.  IIRC it was absolutely necessary to allow the full 
range of Javascript for Navigator to allow my banking line to work.

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Re: [newbie] OT: Conspiracy Theory

[Aron Smith]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 10:55 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 14:24, Aron Smith wrote:
> > On Wednesday 30 July 2003 08:57 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > > This isn't a Mel Gibson movie.
> > >
> > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39115375,00.htm
> > >
> > > LX
> >
> > Ah Ha the plot sickens
>
> Most intelligent and informed people already saw this as being the
> relative "big picture"; what sickens me the most is that SCO is allowed
> to act at arrogantly as it has - ditto with Microsoft.
** What we have here is the typical Harvard School of Business method of 
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Re: [newbie] OT: Conspiracy Theory

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 14:24, Aron Smith wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 July 2003 08:57 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > This isn't a Mel Gibson movie.
> >
> > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39115375,00.htm
> >
> > LX
> Ah Ha the plot sickens

Most intelligent and informed people already saw this as being the
relative "big picture"; what sickens me the most is that SCO is allowed
to act at arrogantly as it has - ditto with Microsoft.

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[newbie] OT Looking for a scheduleing program for my company.

[Dan Gordon]

Does not have to be heavyweight just enough for about ten people with
multiple shifts per day.

Any help appreciated.

Regards,
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Re: [newbie] DVD writing software

[Ralph Slooten]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:10:18 -0400
James Henry Maiewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Price notwithstanding, why aren't 6G blanks available?  How can it be
>   that 
> only companies that record their precious copyrighted material have access to 
> these products?

Good point, but it's not just the discs that cannot support it, it's the
DVD-Writers themselves too. How they have managed so far I have no idea, but
from their aspect, so far so good ;-)

One reason for this might be that DVD hasn't actually been defined yet. Yeah,
believe it or now, Floppy got defined when it got introduces, same with the CD,
USB, IDE, SCSII, PS2 ... so on, but DVD still haven't been defined, as to what
can and what can't, and how.

This is the number 1 reason why prople all ove the world have problems with
certain DVD's. Using mplayer on the console it becomes very clear just how
different each DVD is. They all seem to use their own structure.

While DVD as we know it hasn't been defined, apparently DVD has been defined
recently, but this is the good part: The definitition of a DVD is a 30 Gig disc,
working like a DVD as we know it, but on another device. Yeah, it was called
something like "Blue ", and was supposed to become the new
medium, with 30 Gigs instead. The only problem is that current DVD players are
incompatible, so this is actually quite irronic :P


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Re: [newbie] OT: Conspiracy Theory

[Aron Smith]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 08:57 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> This isn't a Mel Gibson movie.
>
> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39115375,00.htm
>
> LX
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[newbie] OT: Conspiracy Theory

[Lyvim Xaphir]

This isn't a Mel Gibson movie.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39115375,00.htm

LX

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Re: [newbie] audio software

[T C]

Thanks, for the input. I have just started to use Audacity and it may
do what I want for editing, but as I move into using my computer for
hard disc recording and mixing tracks I wonder if Audacity will still
do the job. Oh well, that's a great thing about Linux and OSS, you have
options.

--- David E Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > I am interested in trying out some sound editing software and I am
> > hoping to get opinions on 2 of them: Rosegarden and Ardour. Since I
> am
> 
> I played around a bit with Rosegarden. I haven't really tried ardour,
> 
> but imho these two are more suited as composition tools rather than
> sound editing. If editing is what you want to do, check out audacity,
> 
> as it is pretty slick. I use it to edit radio shows that I 'tape' off
> the net and such.
> 
> > TC
>

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RE: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Frankie]

we don't...

I load linux onto pocket calculators and Xbox's and other
general appliances...

I am talking to you now from my blender :-)


rgds

Franki

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On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 23:39, Frankie wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
>
> I do exactly the same thing here in Western Australia,

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[newbie] fstab, windows folders and permissions

[L.V.Gandhi]

I have uid=501 and umask=0 2 2 for windows folders in fstab. though I get 
owner as 501 user, permissions are there as 777 instead of 755 as dictated by 
umask. How to go about getting permissions as 755 for windows folders.
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Re: [newbie] cd-rw error

[L.V.Gandhi]

On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 7:24 pm, K Montgomery wrote:
> When I've received errors like this, I have been able to write the CD if
> I reduce the write speed (from, say, 8x to 4x, for example).
I used even 
cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,0,0  -data /mnt/wind/arch-0.4.iso

Still I get errors
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4 in real TAO mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write0 seconds. Operation starts.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
Performing OPC...
Starting new track at sector: 0
Track 01:0 of  542 MB written.cdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi 
sendcmd: no error
CDB:  2A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1F 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 27 00 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x27 Qual 0x00 (write protected) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.007s timeout 40s

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Re: [newbie] Is it time to talk scanners again?

[Erylon Hines]

I have to say, film and slide scanning with Sane is pretty much useless.  And, 
I don't know of any Linux app that will actually do it.  Anyone else???

I have used the 1260 for slide scanning in Windows, and it does a very 
passable job.



 Wednesday 30 July 2003 12:23 pm, Richard Urwin wrote:
> At some point in the near future I'll be buying a scanner. I have
> browsed the last thread on this subject, including
> http://www.buzzard.org.uk/jonathan/scanners-usb.html, the TWiKi and the
> SANE site. From these it looks like the Epson 1260 photo is a good
> choice. The thing is a good part of the work I'm buying this thing for
> is proofing B&W 35mm film. The only comment I found about film
> scanning, for any scanner,  was one of the comments on the 1260, (I
> think on the SANE site or link therefrom,) that the Linux support for
> film gives poor quality. Is this an obsolete comment? Does anyone on
> the list have experience of this scanner with film? Does anyone have
> any alternative suggestions or comments?
>
> (I know a higher res scanner would be better, or even a dedicated film
> scanner, but I don't want the price to be much over £100, and I can't
> justify two devices.)
>
> Thanks,


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Re: [newbie] Adding update sources via urpmi.addmedia?

[Dennis Myers]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 07:52 pm, Glenn wrote:
> Entering the following per results of running through the
> plf.zarb.org/~nanardon site (as recommended by Charlie, nanookatlarge,  a
> couple of months ago):
> urpmi.addmedia --update updates
> ftp://ftp.nmt.edu/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/9.1/RPMS/ with
> ../base/hdlist.cz
>
> gives me the following:
> added medium updates
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 1
> (x86) (cdrom1).cz]
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 2
> (x86) (cdrom2).cz]
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD
> (x86) (cdrom3).cz]
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.update_source.cz]
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz]
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.main.cz]
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.contrib.cz]
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.jpackage.free.cz]
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.texstar.cz]
> retrieving description file of "updates"...
> retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of "updates"...
> ftp://ftp.nmt.edu/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/9.1/RPMS/base/hdlist.cz
> ...retrieving failed: curl failed: exited with 10 or signal 0
>
> retrieve of source hdlist (or synthesis) failed
> no hdlist file found for medium "updates"
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.updates.cz]
> problem reading synthesis file of medium "updates"
> unable to update medium "updates"
>
> Anybody see what's going wrong here?  This is a result of running it for
> the third time in the last two months, with the same result.  Stupid newbie
> tricks that I'm not catching on to?  Thanks in advance for any assistance
> you can provide.
Try "urpmi.update update -a"  and see if that goes. HTH
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Re: [newbie] audio software

[David E Fox]

> 
> I am interested in trying out some sound editing software and I am
> hoping to get opinions on 2 of them: Rosegarden and Ardour. Since I am

I played around a bit with Rosegarden. I haven't really tried ardour, 
but imho these two are more suited as composition tools rather than
sound editing. If editing is what you want to do, check out audacity, 
as it is pretty slick. I use it to edit radio shows that I 'tape' off
the net and such.

> TC

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla and my bank

[David]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 12:11 pm, David wrote:
> I use Mozilla for my personal accounts with one bank.
> I have recently started a business account with another bank.
> When I enter the account number and password with the new bank and press
> go, nothing happens (using Mozilla). I can use my wife's (retch) Win98 and
> Explorer and it works fine.

OK - I accepted popups from the bank. Added the user.js file and tried Konq.
None of which works.
I am beginning to think that Derek is right and that it is a Java script 
problem. I installed Java sometime back but I recently upgraded to Mozilla 
1.4 from 1.31. It seems to me that sometimes in upgrading not all things are 
correctly "connected". How would I go about checking to see if the Java that 
I have is working with this version of Mozilla. 
Dav id

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Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 06:31, Sharrea wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:04, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > This is slightly OT, but I wanted to show something about how consumers
> > think (non-geek consumers that are looking for SOLUTIONS and not OS
> > wars).
> 
> 
> Excuse my ignorance, but what kind of machine do you use in these 
> situations?  I suppose its not a PC?  Do you have to use a "server" machine 
> specifically?  Just curious.
> 
> Sharrea

Here's something from the world I've lived in:

If you're going to build a monster Exchange server, you're going to have
to not only purchase the expensive software, but the machinery to run it
along with redundant RAID arrays and an expensive backup solution.

If you're going to build a monster POP3 server with IMAP capabilities,
you can scrimp on the actual hardware as well as the software, use a
less powerful machine and just add more disks or other bits'n'bobs that
are actually more useful.

You can use a "desktop" PC to build a very nicely done DNS server for a
large organisation; you can't do that with Windows. It would have to be
a monster machine in and of itself.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 on Dell Inspiron 5150

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 00:18, Eric Fesler wrote:

> I tried to activate the dma using the command:
> hdparm -c1d1 /dev/hdc 

Do the commands ONE AT A TIME for best results. Really.

Try:

hdparm -d1 -c1 -u1 -m16 -A1 -W1 -X69 /dev/hdc

...and see what you get when you type:

hdparm -tT /dev/hdc

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Re: [newbie] Instant Messaging Recommendation?

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 09:54, John Layt wrote:
> Not being an IM type myself, can anyone recommend a nice Instant Messaging 
> program (preferably KDE) that can auto-detect when you go on-line with kppp 
> and auto-login to a messaging service?
> 
> In case you're wondering, I've recently converted my father to Linux, and he 
> has the habit of being online whenever family want to phone home (usually 
> because he's forgotten to log off).  If I have an IM he auto-logs into, we 
> can send him messages to disconnect, or even just chat without him having to 
> remember to log-in to the IM service.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> John.

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Re: [newbie]Konqueror Crashes on changing Viewing Mode

[Heather/Femme]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 12:35, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:

> >Hi, Femme.  I regularly switch between icon and tree view, without 
> >problems.  Just to see, I tried every view version offered, and all 
> >were ok.  However, just occasionally Konq does crash for no apparent 
> >reason.  Once that has happened it is unstable, and I have to log out 
> >and back in to clear it.  Does that help?
> >
> 
> I use 3.1.2 from Texstar and don't seem to have as many crashes as I 
> used to.  You may want to give it a try.  You also get things like 
> pretty drop shadows on active windows. :-)

For some unknown reason it's fixed itself. :|

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Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 05:06, Todd Slater wrote:

> Sorry for hijacking this thread but . . .
> 
> I need suggestions for selling folks at work (a technical college) that
> Linux should be part of our IT curriculum (especially the web
> development/e-commerce part). They want to keep everything Windows,
> .net, .asp, java; I'm not faculty but would like to point out the folly
> of a Windows-only approach. What can I cite (that is not hyper-biased)
> other than the Netcraft surveys showing over 60% of web servers run
> Apache?

Firstly, any IT department that wants to stick to "Only Windows" or even
"Only Linux" is making a costly mistake in that of itself. If you look
at a "network" from an outside perspective - or from a more "macro"
standpoint, it (the network) should be strong, solid and be able to face
any task; hence having a mix of Windows and Linux can only make the
picture stronger and brighter overall. Cost is a factor, security is a
factor.

Where Windows lacks in security, Linux can take up the slack. For where
Linux lacks in "Microsoft proprietary ability", well, the Windows
servers take up that slot. DNS servers? Linux. Webservers? A mix of
Linux and Windows. Fileservers? Linux. Print servers? Linux. Exchange?
Well, obviously Windows. Mail gateway? Linux. Network proxy and
firewall? Linux. Game server? Linux. Streaming media? Windows.

They CAN compliment each other greatly and make for a solid and secure
network. Just have to put aside the BS thinking and get on with the real
work.

As as administrator to a network, I would much MUCH rather spend my time
doing silly things and monitoring a solid network - as opposed to
patching, fixing, fighting crap all the time. When I worked for Samsung
we had a "mix" - and it was a gravy job most of the time. It was,
though, due to the fact that the UNIX/Linux administration and the
Windows administration sat down and thought out how to best approach the
"new network" and how to balance the load according to demand; it was an
"even Steven" deal and in the end, all of our work was easy as pie -
most of us had more than enough time on our hands to do REAL research,
or help out the help desk guys (which was a great thing for them as they
got a chance to learn about network administration and how we perceive
things from sitting in the coms room all day long...)
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Re: [newbie] Adding update sources via urpmi.addmedia?

[Heather/Femme]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 20:52, Glenn wrote:
> Entering the following per results of running through the 
> plf.zarb.org/~nanardon site (as recommended by Charlie, nanookatlarge,  a 
> couple of months ago):
> urpmi.addmedia --update updates 
> ftp://ftp.nmt.edu/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/9.1/RPMS/ with ../base/hdlist.cz

> Anybody see what's going wrong here?  This is a result of running it for the 
> third time in the last two months, with the same result.  Stupid newbie 
> tricks that I'm not catching on to?  Thanks in advance for any assistance you 
> can provide.

Not to hijack this thread, but i too tried this & now can't re-add my cdrom sources 
for whatever reason!

Help?

permissions are set properly afaik & i'm part of hte cdrom/writer group... :\

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Re: [newbie] My winmodem used to work!

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 04:52, Grant Guttero wrote:

> Here's my modules.conf file:
> 
> probeall usb-interface usb-uhci
> alias sound-slot-0 snd-0
> # lt_drivers: autoloading and insertion parameter usage
> alias char-major-62 lt_serial
> alias /dev/tts/LT0 lt_serial
> alias /dev/modem lt_serial
> # The next two lines are syntax examples, only Rarely Needed, to automate parameter 
> usage during lt_drivers insertion. See documentation for details.
> # options lt_modem vendor_id=0x115d device_id=0x0420
> # options lt_modem Forced=3,0x130,0x2f8,0
> # section for lt_drivers ends

Well it certainly appears as though the proper stuff is all there for
the modem to be working - have you tried to do a:

modprobe lt_serial

...to see what happens?

So then you're going to make sure you have a link to /dev/modem created
if it ain't already - easy enough - just type:

ln -s /dev/lt_serial /dev/modem

...that should start you on yer way hometeam!

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Re: [newbie] How do I start the GUI from a command line?

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 03:38, Aaron Burke wrote:
> After I initially installed Mandrake 8.2 (it's the only version I have
> access to), I must have chose somewhere along the line to automatically
> start with the KDE Interface with my personal login. However, I thought I
> found the place to disable that and get the GUI to choose the Interface (I
> wanted to try out more than KDE), but when I did that and rebooted, I get
> a command-line login and nothing more.
> My question is this: what command do I use to bring up the GUI?

startx

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Re: [newbie] Adding update sources via urpmi.addmedia?

[Haywiremac]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:52:11 -0500
Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Anybody see what's going wrong here?  This is a result of running it
> for the third time in the last two months, with the same result. 
> Stupid newbie tricks that I'm not catching on to?  Thanks in advance
> for any assistance you can provide.

1. Try a different mirror than ftp://ftp.nmt.edu/, though I think that
is not the cause of the failure.

2. Try urpmi.addmedia --wget, since curl is what's exiting with an
error.

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Re: [newbie] Instant Messaging Recommendation?

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 07:54 pm, John Layt wrote:
> Not being an IM type myself, can anyone recommend a nice Instant Messaging
> program (preferably KDE) that can auto-detect when you go on-line with kppp
> and auto-login to a messaging service?
>
> In case you're wondering, I've recently converted my father to Linux, and
> he has the habit of being online whenever family want to phone home
> (usually because he's forgotten to log off).  If I have an IM he auto-logs
> into, we can send him messages to disconnect, or even just chat without him
> having to remember to log-in to the IM service.
>
> Cheers!
>
> John.

John:
The IM solution only works if Dad monitors his monitor even when he's 
off-line, but it won't be effective if he is elsewhere when someone needs to 
contact him. How about installing a second phone line for his modem? The 
monthly charges are pretty low because all it needs is basic local access -- 
no long distance carrier, no call waiting, no caller ID, none of that jazz -- 
just POTS. Of course, for a few bucks more, there's always ADSL or cable.
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RE: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 23:39, Frankie wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> I do exactly the same thing here in Western Australia,

I'm still surprised y'all even have computers out thar!

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[newbie] Adding update sources via urpmi.addmedia?

[Glenn]

Entering the following per results of running through the 
plf.zarb.org/~nanardon site (as recommended by Charlie, nanookatlarge,  a 
couple of months ago):
urpmi.addmedia --update updates 
ftp://ftp.nmt.edu/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/9.1/RPMS/ with ../base/hdlist.cz

gives me the following:
added medium updates
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 1 
(x86) (cdrom1).cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation CD 2 
(x86) (cdrom2).cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.International CD 
(x86) (cdrom3).cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.update_source.cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.main.cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.contrib.cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.jpackage.free.cz]
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.texstar.cz]
retrieving description file of "updates"...
retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of "updates"...
ftp://ftp.nmt.edu/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/9.1/RPMS/base/hdlist.cz
...retrieving failed: curl failed: exited with 10 or signal 0

retrieve of source hdlist (or synthesis) failed
no hdlist file found for medium "updates"
examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.updates.cz]
problem reading synthesis file of medium "updates"
unable to update medium "updates"

Anybody see what's going wrong here?  This is a result of running it for the 
third time in the last two months, with the same result.  Stupid newbie 
tricks that I'm not catching on to?  Thanks in advance for any assistance you 
can provide.
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RE: [newbie] Instant Messaging Recommendation?

[Lanman]

Kopete and amsn work just fine as well.

Lanman

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On 7/30/2003 at 8:13 PM walt wrote:

>I use GAIM with no problems for my IM needs
>
>walt
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Layt
>Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:54 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [newbie] Instant Messaging Recommendation?
>
>Not being an IM type myself, can anyone recommend a nice Instant Messaging
>program (preferably KDE) that can auto-detect when you go on-line with
>kppp
>and auto-login to a messaging service?
>
>In case you're wondering, I've recently converted my father to Linux, and
>he
>
>has the habit of being online whenever family want to phone home (usually
>because he's forgotten to log off).  If I have an IM he auto-logs into, we
>can send him messages to disconnect, or even just chat without him having
>to
>
>remember to log-in to the IM service.
>
>Cheers!
>
>John.
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [newbie] Instant Messaging Recommendation?

[walt]

I use GAIM with no problems for my IM needs

walt

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Layt
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] Instant Messaging Recommendation?

Not being an IM type myself, can anyone recommend a nice Instant Messaging 
program (preferably KDE) that can auto-detect when you go on-line with kppp 
and auto-login to a messaging service?

In case you're wondering, I've recently converted my father to Linux, and he

has the habit of being online whenever family want to phone home (usually 
because he's forgotten to log off).  If I have an IM he auto-logs into, we 
can send him messages to disconnect, or even just chat without him having to

remember to log-in to the IM service.

Cheers!

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[newbie] Instant Messaging Recommendation?

[John Layt]

Not being an IM type myself, can anyone recommend a nice Instant Messaging 
program (preferably KDE) that can auto-detect when you go on-line with kppp 
and auto-login to a messaging service?

In case you're wondering, I've recently converted my father to Linux, and he 
has the habit of being online whenever family want to phone home (usually 
because he's forgotten to log off).  If I have an IM he auto-logs into, we 
can send him messages to disconnect, or even just chat without him having to 
remember to log-in to the IM service.

Cheers!

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Re: [newbie] My winmodem used to work!

[John Layt]

I've noticed that my /dev/modem link dissapperas/reappears at random as well, 
probably something to do with devfs, which I think dynamically cretates the 
link on boot.  Instead, point your dialler directly to the /dev/ttySx device 
number for your modem.

John.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:45, Grant wrote:
> I had my the Lucent winmodem in my laptop working with a program called
> Penggy that dials up to AOL.  Now when I try to use Penggy it tells me
> there is no such file or directory called /dev/modem.  I really don't see
> how any modem setting could have been altered.  I tried to re-install the
> package that made the winmodem work before but it tells me it's already
> installed. Does anyone have any idea how to get this modem recognized
> again?
>
> - Grant


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Re: [newbie] KDE desktop cruft

[Derek Jennings]

On Wednesday 30 Jul 2003 10:57 pm, Russ Kepler wrote:
> I've got a couple of icons on my desktop that I can't get rid of (and don't
> appear in the Desktop directory).  I suspect that they're artifacts from an
> automount or something, but I can't remove the /mnt entries, either.  The
> icons appear as "CD-ROM mounted at /mnt/cdrom2" and "CD-ROM mounted at
> /mnt/cdrom2" and appear as a cd-rom image with a small green triangle in
> the lower right corner.  The entries in /mnt have odd permissions:
>
> drwxrwxrwx1 root root0 Jul 29 19:13 cdrom2/
> drwxrwxrwx1 root root0 Jul 29 19:13 cdrom3/
>
> These entries are not removable. either.
>
> I'd really prefer to have the second cd-rom drive use manual mounting as
> the first and to clean up my desktop by removing these.  Suggestions?


KDE Control Centre>LookNFeel>Behaviour

check/uncheck however you want your desktop.

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Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Sharrea]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:04, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> This is slightly OT, but I wanted to show something about how consumers
> think (non-geek consumers that are looking for SOLUTIONS and not OS
> wars).


Excuse my ignorance, but what kind of machine do you use in these 
situations?  I suppose its not a PC?  Do you have to use a "server" machine 
specifically?  Just curious.

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Re: [newbie] aumix not working

[Anne Wilson]

I tend to agree, but since we often have to work with what we've 
got

Meanwhile, I would run HardDrake from the mcc.  Select the card, and 
see what it says it is.  I can't remember the names on the two 
buttons on the right, but try them.  One of them will show suggested 
alternative drivers.  It sounds as though you have been trying to 
suss it out yourself, instead of letting HardDrake doit.  Try it and 
see

Anne

On Wednesday 30 Jul 2003 8:13 am, James Henry Maiewski wrote:
> Hello,
>
>   There have been numerous warnings concerning SBLive cards that say
> that have the emu10k1 chip but, in point of fact, do not.  The mere
> fact that this is possible, makes the SBLive an unatractive option
> for Linux.
>
>   Jim
>
> On Tuesday 29 July 2003 10:05 pm, Mike Adolf wrote:
> > On Tuesday 29 July 2003 02:05 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 5:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ..
> > > >
> > > > HardDrake recommends somelike (I not at my machine) cs49xx
> > > > but if you use that one it errors out on boot.  I have it set
> > > > at cs4232 and it worked at one time. But as it says above,
> > > > aumix kept setting mute all, until it quit running.
> > >
> > > Mike - does HardDrake recognise it as a SBLive?  The reason I
> > > ask is that many cards that were sold as such are actually
> > > other models. For instance, I have a box here with a card that
> > > I originally bought as a SBLive, but Mandrake says it is an
> > > Ensoniq, and with the es driver it works fine.
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > Anne,
> > I'm not exactly sure what you are asking, but I think the answer
> > is no.  I looked at the list of available 'drivers' and there was
> > an 'sb' but no SBLive. I am going to try some of the trouble
> > shooting suggestions I found in HardDrake.  I'll let you know
> > when I have more information. Thanks
> >
> > Mike


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[newbie] KDE desktop cruft

[Russ Kepler]

I've got a couple of icons on my desktop that I can't get rid of (and don't 
appear in the Desktop directory).  I suspect that they're artifacts from an 
automount or something, but I can't remove the /mnt entries, either.  The 
icons appear as "CD-ROM mounted at /mnt/cdrom2" and "CD-ROM mounted at 
/mnt/cdrom2" and appear as a cd-rom image with a small green triangle in the 
lower right corner.  The entries in /mnt have odd permissions:

drwxrwxrwx1 root root0 Jul 29 19:13 cdrom2/
drwxrwxrwx1 root root0 Jul 29 19:13 cdrom3/

These entries are not removable. either.  

I'd really prefer to have the second cd-rom drive use manual mounting as the 
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Re: [newbie] semi-pro sound card for Linux

[Curt Tresenriter]

Check out Turtle Beach's Santa Cruz by Voyetra


On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:05:09 -0500
"fifner the dragon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> I need a new sound card. I got a new set of headphones and now I hear all the noise 
> from my soundblaster. 
> 
> Does anyone know of a card with very low noise. It must have left in, right in, left 
> out and right out or stereo in and stereo out. And a  digital line in would be nice. 
> So would a midi interface.  
> 
> The ones in the conputer stores are not good enough so I have to look in the music 
> stores. I don't know anything about the brands they sell (exept for Terratec, I had 
> a Terratec one once and was very happy with it).
> 
> And the persons working in music stores seems to know only about Mac and Windows, 
> and never if a card can be used under Linux. I'm considering Roland, Terratec, RME, 
> Creamware, Echo, Ego Sys and M-audio.
> 
> Does anyone know if any of these have good Linux drivers?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
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Re: [newbie] OT M$ Loses again

[Haywiremac]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:27:26 +0300
Robin Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Bring on the Visigoths!

Was it the Visigoths that brought Rome down? I thought they lived in
France...got wiped out by the Church in Medieval times...

Either way, I like being on the side that's gonna kick some arrogant
MS/Rome butt comin up real soon. :-D

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla and my bank

[Brant Fitzsimmons]

David wrote:

I use Mozilla for my personal accounts with one bank.
I have recently started a business account with another bank.
When I enter the account number and password with the new bank and press go, 
nothing happens (using Mozilla). I can use my wife's (retch) Win98 and 
Explorer and it works fine.
I thought it was the popups at first, I have had this issue before then I 
thought it was in how Mozilla identified itself. I have heard that some banks 
were going to an Explorer only interface.
I can't seem to find in Mozilla 1.4 any way to have it announce its anything 
other than Mozilla.
Any ideas to shed some light on this?

Make sure you don't have cookies blocked from the banks domain.

Tools => Cookie Manager => Unblock Cookies from this Site

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Re: [newbie] KDE Weirdness, logout button without the dragon

[Heather/Femme]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 03:15, James Henry Maiewski wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 July 2003 06:45 pm, Heather/Femme wrote:
> > Other small problem... I like that little dragon that pops up & gives me
> > options on how i want to logout when I hit the Logout button on the
> > kicker.  It seems to not be there anymore...yet was there when I first
> > loaded 9.0/.1.  Where is he & how do I get him back permanently?
>  Hello,
> 
>   I had this problem when I inadvertently had automatic login.  I couldn't find 
> a way to stop it and other problema, but they all disappeared when I got back 
> to regular logon sessions.
> 
>   Jim
> 

Thanks... I do autologin.  I'll try that. :D
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Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Paul]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 19:29, Aron Smith wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 July 2003 07:09 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 21:56, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > Well argued, Stephen.  A construction company wants to construct, a
> > > manufacturing company wants to manufacture.  They want a computer to
> > > be a tool, not a master.  What you are offering them is a dream
> > > solution.
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > Not a dream - a reality - the tools are here before us - before me; it's
> > a "marriage"; and for as much as I would like to constantly live "in the
> > linux world" I have to cater to the desires of the non-geek world - they
> > just want things to work without question, without a doubt.
> ** getting things to "Work" often requires a hell of a lot more work than 
> originally expected ;-)


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Re: [newbie] aumix not working

[James Henry Maiewski]

Hello,

There have been numerous warnings concerning SBLive cards that say that have 
the emu10k1 chip but, in point of fact, do not.  The mere fact that this is 
possible, makes the SBLive an unatractive option for Linux.

Jim


On Tuesday 29 July 2003 10:05 pm, Mike Adolf wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 July 2003 02:05 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 5:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ..
> > >
> > > HardDrake recommends somelike (I not at my machine) cs49xx but if
> > > you use that one it errors out on boot.  I have it set at cs4232
> > > and it worked at one time. But as it says above, aumix kept setting
> > > mute all, until it quit running.
> >
> > Mike - does HardDrake recognise it as a SBLive?  The reason I ask is
> > that many cards that were sold as such are actually other models.
> > For instance, I have a box here with a card that I originally bought
> > as a SBLive, but Mandrake says it is an Ensoniq, and with the es
> > driver it works fine.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Anne,
> I'm not exactly sure what you are asking, but I think the answer is no.  I
> looked at the list of available 'drivers' and there was an 'sb' but no
> SBLive. I am going to try some of the trouble shooting suggestions I found
> in HardDrake.  I'll let you know when I have more information. Thanks
>
> Mike


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[newbie] Runaway pcmcia services

[Peter Pankonin]

Hi all. I recently got a wireless NIC (Linksys WPC11) card. When starting 
pcmcia, my system (Mandy 9.1) goes nuts...

For about 3 to 4 minutes I get this in the terminal:

Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: 
Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: 
Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: 
Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: 
Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: 
Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: 
Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: 
Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: 
Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: 
Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: 
Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: 
Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: 
Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services: Starting PCMCIA services:

etc.

(sometimes at this point there is an error about too many files...) Then, 
for another 3 to 4 minutes I get this:

insmod: a module named pcmcia_core already exists
modprobe: insmod 
/lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o.gz failed
modprobe: insmod pcmcia_core failed
insmod: a module named pcmcia_core already exists
modprobe: insmod 
/lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o.gz failed
modprobe: insmod pcmcia_core failed
insmod: a module named pcmcia_core already exists
modprobe: insmod 
/lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o.gz failed
modprobe: insmod pcmcia_core failed
insmod: a module named pcmcia_core already exists
modprobe: insmod 
/lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o.gz failed
modprobe: insmod pcmcia_core failed
insmod: a module named pcmcia_core already exists
modprobe: insmod 
/lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o.gz failed
modprobe: insmod pcmcia_core failed
insmod: a module named pcmcia_core already exists

etc.

After that I can insert my wireless card and everything works fine.

If I set pcmcia to start on boot, it takes about 6 minutes longer to start. I 
imagine it's doing the above in the background.

Any ideas as to how I can fix this? Thanks.

-- 
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Registered Linux User 246938

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Those who understand binary, and those who don't.



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Re: [newbie] KDE Weirdness, logout button without the dragon

[James Henry Maiewski]

On Tuesday 29 July 2003 06:45 pm, Heather/Femme wrote:
> Other small problem... I like that little dragon that pops up & gives me
> options on how i want to logout when I hit the Logout button on the
> kicker.  It seems to not be there anymore...yet was there when I first
> loaded 9.0/.1.  Where is he & how do I get him back permanently?
 Hello,

I had this problem when I inadvertently had automatic login.  I couldn't find 
a way to stop it and other problema, but they all disappeared when I got back 
to regular logon sessions.

Jim

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Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Aron Smith]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 01:46 pm, Sabin, Matthew wrote:
> The bes arguments I've seen use the monoculture analogy from farming:
>
> If every farmer plants the same variety as every other farmer in a region,
> they all get spectacular results, and the benefit of mass purchases to
> lower the cost of seed and fertilizer, but when a bug or disease strikes
> one farmer's crop, all of them get it and the whole region's crop is
> destroyed.
>
> With an all windows house (or all Linux for that matter) one new exploit
> and the whole system is in danger -- we're facing the need to patch over a
> thousand machines this week because of a new windows vulnerability, and our
> parent company has over 2500 in just one building!
>
> Adding Linux to the mix of a companies servers and/or desktops actually
> helps them weather the storms better.

*** Good point
>
> --Matthew
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Aron Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence
>
> On Wednesday 30 July 2003 12:06 pm, Todd Slater wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:21:09PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote:
> > > Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > > >Now, what I'm trying to get at here is this simple fact: Linux and
> > > >Microsoft can get along - and get along quite well together. I went
>
> 
>
> > Sorry for hijacking this thread but . . .
>
> ** You are not hijacking this will fit in just right with what promises to
> be
> **a very intresting thread
>
> > I need suggestions for selling folks at work (a technical college) that
> > Linux should be part of our IT curriculum (especially the web
> > development/e-commerce part). They want to keep everything Windows,
> > .net, .asp, java; I'm not faculty but would like to point out the folly
> > of a Windows-only approach. What can I cite (that is not hyper-biased)
> > other than the Netcraft surveys showing over 60% of web servers run
> > Apache?
>
> 
>
> > Todd


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Re: [newbie] DVD writing software

[James Henry Maiewski]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 04:30 am, Haywiremac wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:39:00 -0400
>
> "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > you can't do a 1 to 1 copy of commercial DVDs but with 4.x gigs of
> > data,
>
> Even if you could, a blank DVD costs almost as much as the one you want
> to copy, no?

Hello,

Price notwithstanding, why aren't 6G blanks available?  How can it be that 
only companies that record their precious copyrighted material have access to 
these products?

Jim.

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RE: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Sabin, Matthew]

Title: RE: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence





The bes arguments I've seen use the monoculture analogy from farming:


If every farmer plants the same variety as every other farmer in a region, they all get spectacular results, and the benefit of mass purchases to lower the cost of seed and fertilizer, but when a bug or disease strikes one farmer's crop, all of them get it and the whole region's crop is destroyed.

With an all windows house (or all Linux for that matter) one new exploit and the whole system is in danger -- we're facing the need to patch over a thousand machines this week because of a new windows vulnerability, and our parent company has over 2500 in just one building!

Adding Linux to the mix of a companies servers and/or desktops actually helps them weather the storms better.


--Matthew


-Original Message-
From: Aron Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence



On Wednesday 30 July 2003 12:06 pm, Todd Slater wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:21:09PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote:
> > Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > >Now, what I'm trying to get at here is this simple fact: Linux and
> > >Microsoft can get along - and get along quite well together. I went

> Sorry for hijacking this thread but . . .


** You are not hijacking this will fit in just right with what promises to be 
**a very intresting thread


>
> I need suggestions for selling folks at work (a technical college) that
> Linux should be part of our IT curriculum (especially the web
> development/e-commerce part). They want to keep everything Windows,
> .net, .asp, java; I'm not faculty but would like to point out the folly
> of a Windows-only approach. What can I cite (that is not hyper-biased)
> other than the Netcraft surveys showing over 60% of web servers run
> Apache?

> Todd

Re: [newbie] OT M$ Loses again

[Aron Smith]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 11:27 am, Robin Turner wrote:
> Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 16:14, Lee Wiggers wrote:
> >>http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2003-07-14-linux-tech_x.htm
> >
> > Rome wasn't built in a day, and certainly didn't fall in a day; but we
> > can hope for a quicker demise to the monopoly of dem guys!
>
> Bring on the Visigoths!
**nah they use Visual Goth (BASIC) :-))
>
> Sir Robin


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Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Aron Smith]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 12:06 pm, Todd Slater wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:21:09PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote:
> > Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > >Now, what I'm trying to get at here is this simple fact: Linux and
> > >Microsoft can get along - and get along quite well together. I went
>
> 
>
> > Absolutely.  In my university most of the servers run Linux.  They used
> > to have a bewildering variety of server OSs, including NT, but Linux
> > started taking over a few years back (Mandrake 7.2!) and now all your
> > base are belong to us (except for a couple of stubborn Solaris servers).
> > For workstations/PCs, the majority of students and staff run Windows
> > (mainly 98, with a few XP boxes, probably installed illicitly by users)
> > the scientists and techies generally run XP or Mandrake, and the arty
> > types have a few Macs.  In my own office, all the boxes run Win 98,
> > except for mine, which is running Mdk 9.1.  It runs the printer and FTP
> > server, and every night it backs up all the Windows boxes and checks
> > them for viruses.
>
> Sorry for hijacking this thread but . . .

** You are not hijacking this will fit in just right with what promises to be 
**a very intresting thread

>
> I need suggestions for selling folks at work (a technical college) that
> Linux should be part of our IT curriculum (especially the web
> development/e-commerce part). They want to keep everything Windows,
> .net, .asp, java; I'm not faculty but would like to point out the folly
> of a Windows-only approach. What can I cite (that is not hyper-biased)
> other than the Netcraft surveys showing over 60% of web servers run
> Apache?
>
> It was only after making a presentation to some higher-ups that I was
> able to put pressure on our IT manager to let me run a Linux server to
> solve some problems we were having. The theme here is that folks here
> are ignorant about Linux. I mean, can you imagine an IT program in
> ecommerce that didn't at least cover publishing on a *nix server?
>
> But then again, we always upgrade to the latest M$ Office suite on the
> grounds that it's what businesses use. I tell them that if they wanted
> to teach what businesses use, we should really do a survey and see what
> businesses are using--around here, probably Windows 95 and Office 97!
>
> Todd


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Re: [newbie] alsa driver compile problem

[Dennis Myers]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 02:07 pm, Inhabitant of Zion wrote:
> Hi
>
> Trying to get the sound card to work on the wifes Dell optiplex.
>
> Wanted to compile the alsa driver from source but am getting this error:
>
> checking whether gcc needs -traditional... no
> checking for current directory... /home/williamjay/tmp/alsa-driver-0.9.6
> checking cross compile...
> checking for directory with kernel source... /usr/src/linux
> checking for kernel version... The file
> /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist. Please, install the
> package with full kernel sources for your distribution or use
> --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel sources
> (default is /usr/src/linux). make all-deps
> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/williamjay/tmp/alsa-driver-0.9.6'
> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all-deps'.
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/williamjay/tmp/alsa-driver-0.9.6'
>
> Please, run the configure script as first...
>
> rm -f /snd*.o /persist.o /isapnp.o
> make[1]: Entering directory
> `/home/williamjay/tmp/alsa-driver-0.9.6/support' Makefile:9:
> ../Makefile.conf: No such file or directory Makefile:27: /Rules.make: No
> such file or directory make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/Rules.make'.
>  Stop. make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/home/williamjay/tmp/alsa-driver-0.9.6/support' make: ***
> [install-modules] Error 1
>
> Where does mandrake hide the Kernel sources?

you should be able to do "urpmi kernel-source" in command line or in MCC 
search on "kernel" and it will list the available packages. HTH
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Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Todd Slater]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:21:09PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote:
> Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> 
> >
> >Now, what I'm trying to get at here is this simple fact: Linux and
> >Microsoft can get along - and get along quite well together. I went
 
> Absolutely.  In my university most of the servers run Linux.  They used 
> to have a bewildering variety of server OSs, including NT, but Linux 
> started taking over a few years back (Mandrake 7.2!) and now all your 
> base are belong to us (except for a couple of stubborn Solaris servers). 
> For workstations/PCs, the majority of students and staff run Windows 
> (mainly 98, with a few XP boxes, probably installed illicitly by users) 
> the scientists and techies generally run XP or Mandrake, and the arty 
> types have a few Macs.  In my own office, all the boxes run Win 98, 
> except for mine, which is running Mdk 9.1.  It runs the printer and FTP 
> server, and every night it backs up all the Windows boxes and checks 
> them for viruses.

Sorry for hijacking this thread but . . .

I need suggestions for selling folks at work (a technical college) that
Linux should be part of our IT curriculum (especially the web
development/e-commerce part). They want to keep everything Windows,
.net, .asp, java; I'm not faculty but would like to point out the folly
of a Windows-only approach. What can I cite (that is not hyper-biased)
other than the Netcraft surveys showing over 60% of web servers run
Apache?

It was only after making a presentation to some higher-ups that I was
able to put pressure on our IT manager to let me run a Linux server to
solve some problems we were having. The theme here is that folks here
are ignorant about Linux. I mean, can you imagine an IT program in
ecommerce that didn't at least cover publishing on a *nix server?

But then again, we always upgrade to the latest M$ Office suite on the
grounds that it's what businesses use. I tell them that if they wanted
to teach what businesses use, we should really do a survey and see what
businesses are using--around here, probably Windows 95 and Office 97!

Todd

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Re: [newbie] alsa driver compile problem

[Richard Urwin]

On Wednesday 30 Jul 2003 8:07 pm, Inhabitant of Zion wrote:
> Wanted to compile the alsa driver from source but am getting this
> error:
>
 checking for kernel version... The file
> /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist. Please,
> install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution or
> use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
> sources (default is /usr/src/linux). make all-deps
>
> Where does mandrake hide the Kernel sources?

The path would be correct on my (MDK9.1) machine.
You probably haven't installed the kernel source RPM.

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Re: [newbie] How do I start the GUI from a command line?

[Eric Fesler]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 19:38, Aaron Burke wrote:
> After I initially installed Mandrake 8.2 (it's the only version I have
> access to), I must have chose somewhere along the line to automatically
> start with the KDE Interface with my personal login. However, I thought I
> found the place to disable that and get the GUI to choose the Interface (I
> wanted to try out more than KDE), but when I did that and rebooted, I get
> a command-line login and nothing more.
> My question is this: what command do I use to bring up the GUI?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __
> 
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You should try:
startx

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[newbie] Is it time to talk scanners again?

[Richard Urwin]

At some point in the near future I'll be buying a scanner. I have 
browsed the last thread on this subject, including 
http://www.buzzard.org.uk/jonathan/scanners-usb.html, the TWiKi and the 
SANE site. From these it looks like the Epson 1260 photo is a good 
choice. The thing is a good part of the work I'm buying this thing for 
is proofing B&W 35mm film. The only comment I found about film 
scanning, for any scanner,  was one of the comments on the 1260, (I 
think on the SANE site or link therefrom,) that the Linux support for 
film gives poor quality. Is this an obsolete comment? Does anyone on 
the list have experience of this scanner with film? Does anyone have 
any alternative suggestions or comments?

(I know a higher res scanner would be better, or even a dedicated film 
scanner, but I don't want the price to be much over £100, and I can't 
justify two devices.)

Thanks,

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Re: [newbie] Need SWAP before FTP install of Madrake 9.1 on oldsystem (1 more try)

[ThinKer]

Posting this to the list in case anyone can help ...

thanks for the info Miark,

1. When I attempted to install SuSE 8.2, the installation alerted me
that I did not have enough system memory and prompted me to activate my
swap partition, which I did, and I was able to proceed with the
installation. That installation failed due to hangings in YaST, but I
was able to use my swap to run the installation program. So I guess I
need an 'addition' to the network.img boot disk that will allow me to
get to a shell and type a command to activate the swap?

2. On the idea of getting more RAM; this is an OLD machine. We are
talkin' 72 pin SIMMS here. I can't find anything below $30 for 16MB
module. I have never seen obsolete technology cost so much! Plus, this
machine has to have matching capacities in each slot. Dont ask me why,
but if I put a 4MB module in slot 0 and a 8MB module in slot 1, the
machine won't even boot.



Any help on this? Anyone? Please?


-=Thinker


On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 10:31, Miark wrote:
> Glad to hear of your success thus far.
> 
> Swap space won't help you when it comes to installation--it's
> memory that counts. (Not sure why, but I'd love to know.) 
> 
> But if a working computer is worth another $10, I recommend buying
> another stick of RAM. I bought a 64MB stick of PC133 a few weeks ago for
> $8, including shipping. Pricewatch.com says you can do it right now
> for $9. At any rate, it can be done for less than $10.
> 
> Miark
> 
> 
> On 30 Jul 2003 05:32:38 -0400, ThinKer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I decided to give the Pentium 120 on last try. This time, I decided to
> > go with Mandrake 9.1 via floppy install.
> > 
> > 1. I downloaded, made and booted the floppy.
> > 2. Install screen didn't freeze my machine (unlike SuSE 8.2!).
> > 3. Network card and DHCP were both detected beautifully (unlike Debian
> > !).
> > 
> > Problem: After all that good news, the Please choose the installation
> > method' screen has the nerve to tell me that "FTP install needs more
> > than 68 Mbytes of memory (detected 64). You may want to try an NFS
> > install.'
> > 
> > I have the drive still partitioned from my previous attempt at
> > installing Debian (/dev/hdc1 allocated for 256MB of swap). Will this
> > help, and if so, how do I turn it on so that this installation can see
> > it.
> > 
> > FYI: I am already further in 5 minutes with Mandrake than I got with
> > Debian, SuSE and FreeBSD. All I need is SWAP !! 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > -=Thinker 
> 


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Re: [newbie] Draw a simple line with Gimp

[Robin Turner]

Marco Verheul wrote:
Hi all,

I want to design a logo with Gimp and I need to insert a simple straight
horizontal line. How do I do this?
In my experience, the GIMP is best for what its name implies: image 
_manipulation_.  For designing from scratch I find xfig works better, 
despite its yucky GUI.  OpenOffice Draw isn't bad for simple stuff. 
Once you've got your basic design, then you can always use the GIMP to 
add flashy effects to it.

If you want to get really ambitious, try Blender. It's an animation 
program, but you can also use it as a kind of 3D CAD program.

Sir Robin

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break them."
- Blake's 7

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Re: [newbie] OT M$ Loses again

[Robin Turner]

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 16:14, Lee Wiggers wrote:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2003-07-14-linux-tech_x.htm


Rome wasn't built in a day, and certainly didn't fall in a day; but we
can hope for a quicker demise to the monopoly of dem guys!
Bring on the Visigoths!

Sir Robin

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break them."
- Blake's 7

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla and my bank

[Derek Jennings]

On Wednesday 30 Jul 2003 5:11 pm, David wrote:
> I use Mozilla for my personal accounts with one bank.
> I have recently started a business account with another bank.
> When I enter the account number and password with the new bank and press
> go, nothing happens (using Mozilla). I can use my wife's (retch) Win98 and
> Explorer and it works fine.
> I thought it was the popups at first, I have had this issue before then I
> thought it was in how Mozilla identified itself. I have heard that some
> banks were going to an Explorer only interface.
> I can't seem to find in Mozilla 1.4 any way to have it announce its
> anything other than Mozilla.
> Any ideas to shed some light on this?


If you try with konqueror you can select a different Browser ID for a specific 
site. Take a look at Settings>Browser Identification

Also Opera allows you to switch browser IDs (Hit F12) 

Dunno about Mozilla, but there is probably a way.

However you might well find that it is not a problem with browser ID, but is 
an issue with crummy Internet Explorer Javascript. I have that problem with 
my bank, but I can get around it by using a URL which takes me a bit deeper 
in the login process and bypasses the javascript.

Also make sure your proxy server is disabled for that domain. (If you have 
one)

And of course complain to your bank and point out there are other banks :-)


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Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Aron Smith]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 07:09 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 21:56, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Well argued, Stephen.  A construction company wants to construct, a
> > manufacturing company wants to manufacture.  They want a computer to
> > be a tool, not a master.  What you are offering them is a dream
> > solution.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Not a dream - a reality - the tools are here before us - before me; it's
> a "marriage"; and for as much as I would like to constantly live "in the
> linux world" I have to cater to the desires of the non-geek world - they
> just want things to work without question, without a doubt.
** getting things to "Work" often requires a hell of a lot more work than 
originally expected ;-)


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Re: [newbie] two Mandrakes on two harddrives

[John Richard Smith]

Dennis Myers wrote:

Thanks John, I appreciate the input and think that from now on I will have 
/boot partitions on all installs. Does it matter where you put it, as in the 
first or second partition?
 

 

I always put mine on the first harddrive.Never had it on a second drive, 
I think it might not work there.
It used to be necesary to be within 1024 cylinders(approx 8gigs), 
however I am told that does not matter any more, but again I've never 
tried it. when ever I set up a hard drive from the start I just add a 
suitable partition right at the front whether I turn it into a /boot 
partition or not,  I shove the /swap in the middle for best data flow, 
the rest is to taste, and it does not matter which harddrive the rest of 
the partitions are put on , you just please yourself.Whatever happens to 
suit.  I invariably devide the unused portions into convenient spare 
partitions and add lines in fstab to mount them. Dead handy to have 
these spare partitions.

John

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla and my bank

[Aron Smith]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 09:11 am, David wrote:
> I use Mozilla for my personal accounts with one bank.
> I have recently started a business account with another bank.
> When I enter the account number and password with the new bank and press
> go, nothing happens (using Mozilla). I can use my wife's (retch) Win98 and
> Explorer and it works fine.
> I thought it was the popups at first, I have had this issue before then I
> thought it was in how Mozilla identified itself. I have heard that some
> banks were going to an Explorer only interface.
> I can't seem to find in Mozilla 1.4 any way to have it announce its
> anything other than Mozilla.
> Any ideas to shed some light on this?
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[newbie] Screens

[John Richard Smith]

Is ARIANET  a good make of screens ?

ManufacturerARIANET
Model Number
Supported Operating Systems NA
Min Recommended CPU N/A
Size19
Screen Type CRT
Viewable Area   18
Optimal Resolution  1280x1024 @ 85Hz
Dot Pitch   0.26
Supported Resolutions   1600x1200 @ 75Hz
Supported Refresh Rates Upto 85Hz @ 1280x1024
ControlsOSD
SpeakersNO
Features100 degree deflection short length tube
Warranty Information1 Yr RTB
Compliancy  MPR-II, TCO95
Minimum Required Memory N/A
Minimum Required Hard Disk Space10MB for drivers
Just wondered

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Re: [newbie]Konqueror Crashes on changing Viewing Mode

[Brant Fitzsimmons]

Anne Wilson wrote:

On Wednesday 30 Jul 2003 12:44 am, Heather/Femme wrote:
 

On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 21:18, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
   

Heather/Femme wrote:
 

Subject says it all.

Pick any mode, tree, multi-column...whatever.  It thinks about
it, then crashes.  Updated KDE & MDK in general...nada.  Ideas?
Try it see what happens.
   

What version of KDE?
 

AFAICT, KDE 3.1.0
   

Hi, Femme.  I regularly switch between icon and tree view, without 
problems.  Just to see, I tried every view version offered, and all 
were ok.  However, just occasionally Konq does crash for no apparent 
reason.  Once that has happened it is unstable, and I have to log out 
and back in to clear it.  Does that help?

I use 3.1.2 from Texstar and don't seem to have as many crashes as I 
used to.  You may want to give it a try.  You also get things like 
pretty drop shadows on active windows. :-)

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[newbie] Mozilla and my bank

[David]

I use Mozilla for my personal accounts with one bank.
I have recently started a business account with another bank.
When I enter the account number and password with the new bank and press go, 
nothing happens (using Mozilla). I can use my wife's (retch) Win98 and 
Explorer and it works fine.
I thought it was the popups at first, I have had this issue before then I 
thought it was in how Mozilla identified itself. I have heard that some banks 
were going to an Explorer only interface.
I can't seem to find in Mozilla 1.4 any way to have it announce its anything 
other than Mozilla.
Any ideas to shed some light on this?
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RE: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Frankie]

Hi Stephen,

I do exactly the same thing here in Western Australia,

I have several clients over here that are running linux..
and they proudly
tell everyone that they are "hip" enough to be running a
linux server..
(though ususally they don't even know how to log into it..)

I use several as fileservers, mail/spam/virus filters,
gateways, proxies,
backups, DNS, webservers etc etc.. much the same stuff you
are talking about.

most of them are over the moon that they don't need client
licenses for all
the workstations anymore...

Its good stuff. :-)


regards

Franki

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen
Kuhn
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 7:04 PM
To: Mandrake Newbie
Subject: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence


This is slightly OT, but I wanted to show something about
how consumers
think (non-geek consumers that are looking for SOLUTIONS and
not OS
wars).

I have a customer - they're a building/architecture firm
here in
Wollongong, New South Wales (Australia!); they spend very
large amounts
of money on software necessary to do their work (AutoCAD and
a
financial/accounting package with estimation and cost
factoring that
works hand-in-hand with AutoCAD) but cannot necessarily run
out and
purchase new machines every year to keep up with the
techno-tide; they
run primarily XP, Win2k and Win98SE - and they're happy
doing this as it
suits their purposes and their comfort levels - they're
stuck into using
computers all the time - day in and day out and don't have
the time to
"relearn" new applications, new operating systems or new
office suites.

They need a server - file server and print server (at least
this is what
they wanted at first) - on top of this, they want a way to
protect the
network from bugs'n'nasties, and the horrible pop-up ads and
other junk
that ends up cluttering up their email boxes. They have no
care as to
what is what - just that it's a machine to do the job. They
want to do
it for the least amount/least cost, but most punch.

I'm building them a linux server. This machine will be their
mail server
(wow, really?), their file server, their print server, their
fax server
(wow, really?), their proxy server (wow, really?), their
firewall and
internet gateway (super wow, really?), their backup server
(even bigger
wow's and really's!?!), their "profile" storage server, and
last but not
least, their "intranet" server (Gosh and jeepers! Way
cool!); cost was
the factor.

They were given an outline of the machine and it's
capabilities -
without really telling the "boss" what OS the machine was
going to have
- he was over the moon with the "total cost"; question did
come, though,
as to what it was going to run - to which he was told
"linux"; "Oh
really? Ok...is that cheaper than Windows server?" - I then
proceeded to
tell him that it would cost literally another $3000 to $5000
for an "All
Windows" server. Nah. No go. "Um, I like the first one you
said"..."Linux?" - "Yeah, that one".

He was told that he (or I) can actually completely
administer the
machine remotely - or perform maintenance or support
remotely - no extra
cost (except for the support contract which is still not
alot of money);
way cool! That's really cool!

Here's some things he liked right off the bat:

* No need to learn any new applications
* No need to understand anything new
* No change of "visual" infrastructure
* No training necessary for the workers
* No "thinking" about doing backups (they hate that)
* No "poking around" with ADSL settings anymore
* No need to manually virus scan stuff
* No worries about viruses born through email
* No more pop-up ads
* pr0n dialers can't work anymore (boss surfs a bit)
* Everyone's activities can be monitored by the boss
* No need to have me visit physically
* No more need to have me do support "on site"
   (unless something really screws up)
* No licensing with Microsoft (He hates those ties)

He asked about updating the software. I said it updates
itself. Big
smile. He asked about how the antivirus software updates. I
said it
updated itself. Bigger smile. He asked if he had to do
manual scans for
bugs anymore - I said "Only if you want to" - He digs that.

These people don't give a rat's bum about being loyal to
Microsoft or to
another - they're worried about cost and effectiveness. If
he can get
two more years out of a box with Win2k on it or Win98SE on
it, he's over
the moon. Less overhead.

Now, what I'm trying to get at here is this simple fact:
Linux and
Microsoft can get along - and get along quite well together.
I went
through this same thing about 10 years ago with Macs and
PC's - and
shown people time and time again that they can live happily
together and
not be a thorn in anyone's side. Linux - especially when
used properly
as a server that's setup nicely and setup for alot of
monotonous
repetitive tasks can make a network with MS products more
stable and
more safe; for all intents and purposes, Windows was built
to be a
"work

Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 30 Jul 2003 3:09 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 21:56, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Well argued, Stephen.  A construction company wants to construct,
> > a manufacturing company wants to manufacture.  They want a
> > computer to be a tool, not a master.  What you are offering them
> > is a dream solution.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Not a dream - a reality - the tools are here before us - before me;
> it's a "marriage"; and for as much as I would like to constantly
> live "in the linux world" I have to cater to the desires of the
> non-geek world - they just want things to work without question,
> without a doubt.

>From their perspective, a dream - more than they believed possible.  
All they want, and it will just get the job done, no hassle.  From 
your perspective, reality.  The end result, though is something that 
really works, and that's all that matters.  If and when Linux can 
give them the same problem-free usage without windows at all, that's 
fine, but reality means living in today's world, so it's compromise 
for the geek end, and dream solution for the company.

Anne

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[newbie] Mandrake 9.1 on Dell Inspiron 5150

[Eric Fesler]

Hi,

I just installed Mandrake 9.1 on a Dell Inspiron 9.1 and I've got
several issues:

I'm using the kernel linux-2.4.21-0.13mdkenterprise

1°) The harddisk is really slow : hdparm shows a transfer rate of
3.5Mb/s

I tried to activate the dma using the command:
hdparm -c1d1 /dev/hdc 

and I got the following output:
/dev/hdc:
 setting 32-bit IO_support flag to 1
 setting using_dma to 1 (on)
 HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
 IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
 using_dma=  0 (off)

2°) If I switch ACPI on in lilo.conf, the PC just freeze after having
loaded the kernel
I trued to recompile without APM and without APIC but then the PC reboot
after having loaded the kernel

Any ideas how I can solve those issues. Issue 1 is the most important up
to now.


Thanks 


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Re: [newbie] 2.6-test kernel rpms available?

[Tom Brinkman]

On Tuesday July 29 2003 11:52 am, Jerry Barton wrote:
> >Bottom line: 2.6 will be ready to use sometime early next
> > year. I'd suggest you search and read the '2.6' discussion on
> > the cooker ML archive.
> > --
> > Tom Brinkman  Corpus Christi, Texas
>
> Thanks Tom, I'll read up on that.  I've got a test machine I'm
> kinda fooling around a bit with (testing 9.2 beta and the likes)
> and thought I'd see how 2.6 was.  I'll see what I can do with the
> source.  If nothing else just reading the docs would be
> interesting for me.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Jerry

As always I forgot to mention the cooker change log list. That's 
where much of the 2.6 conversation took place. So you should check 
both archives. Probly LKML too.  Yeah, if you've got a spare box to 
play with, then go for it. Let us know how it goes.
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Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

[Paul]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 12:33, Inhabitant of Zion wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I tried this and found that a lot of web sites now won't load...
> 
> Anybody else experience this?
> 

Hi John,

did you try the /etc/hosts or the Mozilla block suggestions?

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Re: [newbie] Laaaag time in mail reaching List

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 22:09, Haywiremac wrote:
> On 30 Jul 2003 20:31:34 +1000
> Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> 
> > ...and you've been smoking WHAT again?
> 
> ffft... wha?
> 
> anyway, I've started experimenting with Postfix and now I am relaying
> mail to this list through my ISP, seems to be quicker that way, tho
> kinda redundant...

What's redundant?
What's redundant?
What's redundant?

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Re: [newbie] Laaaag time in mail reaching List

[Haywiremac]

On 31 Jul 2003 00:10:55 +1000
Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> What's redundant?
> What's redundant?
> What's redundant?

The Department of Redundancy Department, of course!

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Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 21:56, Anne Wilson wrote:

> Well argued, Stephen.  A construction company wants to construct, a 
> manufacturing company wants to manufacture.  They want a computer to 
> be a tool, not a master.  What you are offering them is a dream 
> solution.
> 
> Anne

Not a dream - a reality - the tools are here before us - before me; it's
a "marriage"; and for as much as I would like to constantly live "in the
linux world" I have to cater to the desires of the non-geek world - they
just want things to work without question, without a doubt.

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Re: [newbie] two Mandrakes on two harddrives

[Dennis Myers]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 08:55 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
> Dennis Myers wrote:
> >On Tuesday 29 July 2003 07:32 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
> >>Dennis Myers wrote:
> >>>On Tuesday 29 July 2003 02:57 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 5:29 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
> >On Monday 28 July 2003 10:46 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> >>On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 13:24, Dennis Myers wrote:
> >>>Has anyone installed two MLinux on two seperate HDs on the same
> >>>comp and figured out how to get lilo to read them both at boot?
> >>>I am trying to do it so that I can beta test and yet run the
> >>>regular system when I am not running tests. Any hints or manual
> >>>suggestions are appreciated, I have not found anything to help.

> >>have to install a new lilo which will boot up initially from the last ,
> >>that is second OS, install's  /etc/lilo.conf, when on sesktop make a
> >>fresh stanza to boot the first OS and reboot to that OS,where if you
> >>prefer to have the bootup done from the first OS /etc/lilo.conf, merely
> >>add a new stanza to boot the second OS and run /sbin/lilo to rewrite mbr
> >>lilo again. If you don't mind booting from the second OS /etc/lilo.conf
> >>then your merely have to add that stanza to boot the first OS. Sounds
> >>complicated but isn't.
> >>
> >>You must, I think, have the /boot partition on the first hda, I don't
> >>think it works putting it on the second hdb . I always put mine in as
> >>the frist partition on hda, but I don't think it's imperative anymore.
> >>
> >>John
> >
> >I don't have a problem understanding the above but whenever I try to add
> > the second to the first or vice versa I get "/sbin/lilo
> >Fatal: Open /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-xxxmdk;  no such file or directory.
> >either way I go it is the same. I remember this problem in the past, it
> > seems unable to see the correct image.  Any help?
>
> It cannot find the kernel, I'm guessing here, but seems to me that you
> elected to have /boot as part of your /base  in each OS , Yes ?   If
> so,  then you need to copy the kernel over to be with the /boot
> directory in the same OS where the /etc/lilo.conf is being read.
>
> You see I ellect to have a /bootpartition , so the installers in each OS
> automatically install the kernel and everything else in the same place
> and all is found correctly.Incidentally, you may have to copy more than
> the kernel, there is also the initrd files as well.
>
> Also don't forget to explicity define the kernel and initrd files with
> each stanza
> in /etc/lilo.conf
>
> here is my current /etc/lilo.conf
> boot=/dev/hda
> map=/boot/map
> install=/boot/boot.b
> vga=791
> default=91-2.4.21.0
> keytable=/boot/uk.klt
> lba32
> prompt
> nowarn
> timeout=200
> message=/boot/message
> menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw
> ignore-table
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk
>label=91-2.4.21.0
> root=/dev/hda7
> initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img
> append=" quiet devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi acpi=on"
> #append=" quiet devfs=mount hdd=ide-scsi acpi=off"
> vga=791
> read-only
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk
>label=91-failsafe
> root=/dev/hda7
> initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img
> append=" quiet devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi acpi=off"
> vga=ask
> read-only
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk
> label=91-nonfb
> root=/dev/hda7
> initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.13mdk.img
> append=" quiet devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi acpi=off"
> vga=ask
> read-only
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk
> label=90-2.4,19-16
> root=/dev/hda6
> initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.19-16mdk.img
> append="quiet devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi nobiospnp"
> vga=791
> read-only
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk
> label=90-nonfb
> root=/dev/hda6
> initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.19-16mdk.img
> append="quiet devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi nobiospnp"
> vga=ask
> read-only
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk
> label=90-failsafe
> root=/dev/hda6
> initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.19-16mdk.img
> append="quiet devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi nobiospnp"
> vga=ask
> read-only
> other=/dev/hda1
> label=W2000
> table=/dev/hda
> other=/dev/fd0
> label=floppy
> unsafe
>
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.22mdk
> label=M91-2.4.21.0.22
> root=/dev/hda7
> read-only
> optional
> vga=791
> append=" quiet devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi acpi=off"
> initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.21-0.22mdk.img
>
>
> You will notice the last stanza is an experimental kernel.
> I find it  is easiest to have a /boot partition.
>
>
> Hope I'm not telling you the obvious.
>
>
> John
Thanks John, I appreciate the input and think that from now on I will have 
/boot partitions on all installs. Does it matter where you put it, as in the 
first or second partition?
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RE: [newbie] DVD writing software

[Tony S. Sykes]

Here in England you can get blank DVD's for less than ?1. Re-writeable's
are under ?2.

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Slooten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] DVD writing software


On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:39:00 -0400
"Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Just an observation to this thread. From whats been said, you can't do
a 1 to 
> 1 copy of commercial DVDs but with 4.x gigs of data, you sure could
use 
> Mencoder with very -high- settings to make a darn near perfect Divx
file, 
> right?
> 
> I mean, considering that it makes very good quality movies from DVD
that fit 
> onto a single 650 meg CD-ROM right now. :-)

Yes, technically very true. You could produce a DivX file with a bitrate
of over
5000 if wanted, giving you picture-perfect quality. If it puts a heavier
load on
the CPU, I can't be sure though, and you would not be able to play it in
a
common DVD player either.

I thought about this one, and recconed that if you tried to hit 1 Gig
per DivX,
you would be left with super quality, and could fit 4 movies on one DVD.
But is
this worth it, I'm not sure either. DVD's (blank) have reduced in price,
but are
not cheap yet here in Holland.

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Re: [newbie] Laaaag time in mail reaching List

[Aron Smith]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 02:18 am, Haywiremac wrote:
> I have tested this with mails to other lists and back to my ISP, but it
> seems that because I am posting from my own domain, this list takes
> awhile to show/receive them.
>
> It *only* happens with this list. Is there some delay due to lookups and
> verification if I am not sending from a big domain like Earthlink?
>
> The delay is *several minutes* which, for me, is an eternity!
>
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RE: [newbie] DVD writing software

[Frankie]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anne
Wilson

On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 11:19 pm, Richard Urwin wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 8:52 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > My box is pretty full, so I'd have to forego something
if I
> > wanted another card in.  I'm beginning to think that one
computer
> > just isn't enough for all the things I want to do 
>
> Time to look at OpenMOSIX? Unlike Beowulf it gives you n
screens
> for n boxes, but they are all one computer. Some day I'll
give it a
> go. When I manage to convince my gf that two computers is
not
> excessive...

Hmm - tempting - give up! - go on, I like it - go away, I
can't do
this - can I? - no I can't

Stop putting ideas into my head   Not an option at the
moment,
Richard, but this is an idea that might just grow.

Anne

==

FRANKi:

Some people dream of world peace, others for a polution free
world..
I personally dream of owning my own RenderWall like the guys
that
create the graphics for lord of the rings..

5000 odd linux box's all working together.. its. well
its just a wonderful thing
makes me all teary n sh!t when I think about it.  :-)

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Ripping Music with grip(Just Shoot ME)

[Aron Smith]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 05:25 am, Jason wrote:
> That's not strictly true, there are Mandrake specific pre-compiled
> binaries for notlame (an mp3 encoder) over at PLF
> (http://plf.zarb.org/). Simply head on over to
> http://www.zarb.org/~nanardon/ and choose an URPMI plf source, add it
> and then urpmi ripperx and urpmi notlame and you are all set. Simple as
> pie.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jason
>
> Sevatio wrote:
> > Make sure you have lame or some kind of encoder installed.  Due to some
> > b.s. patent issues, you'll have to get lame's source and compile it onto
> > your machine. You might even check http://www.rpmfind.net for lame. Then
> > set grip to point to lame for the encoder location.  Good luck. Enjoy!
> > You might even consider encoding to Ogg instead of Mp3 because Ogg is
> > noticeably better.
No problem using OGG on my box at home but this was for the $20.00 MP3 player 
in my car it won't even recognize a disk of OGGs
What I am trying to do is put several disks of music on one disk so I don't 
have to keep changing them (Hey It's cheaper than satellite radio) :-)
> >
> > Aron Smith wrote:


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Re: [newbie] two Mandrakes on two harddrives

[Dennis Myers]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 03:39 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 Jul 2003 5:35 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
> > On Monday 28 July 2003 10:46 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 13:24, Dennis Myers wrote:
> > > > Has anyone installed two MLinux on two seperate HDs on the same
> > > > comp and figured out how to get lilo to read them both at boot?
> > > > I am trying to do it so that I can beta test and yet run the
> > > > regular system when I am not running tests. Any hints or manual
> > > > suggestions are appreciated, I have not found anything to help.
> > >
> > > It would truly be a matter of properly writting out the
> > > /etc/lilo.conf of the first installation; the first installation
> > > would write the lilo to the MBR of the first HD; then after
> > > you've done all that wonderful jazz and gotten your primary
> > > installation up and running, do a second installation on the
> > > "second" drive, but choose to NOT write lilo; then make note of
> > > the boot partition for the second installation and whatnot, and
> > > then write that into the /etc/lilo.conf on the first drive.
> >
> > OK, I don't know for sure what I did differently this time but
> > after two reinstalls of both 9.1 and 9.2beta1 and three rewrites of
> > lilo.conf I have a viable lilo boot screen. The last time I rewrote
> > lilo and then mounted the /dev/hdc1 to /mnt/linux-0 and then did
> > /sbin/lilo. I have no idea if there is a need for this sequence or
> > not. I also installed 9.1 on hda and in diskdrake left hdc blank.
> > Then when I went to install 9.2 on hdc I had a blank partition
> > table to write to. Also unknown if this was necessary. But it works
> > now.
> > Stubborn to a fault or just persistent, I prefer the latter when
> > describing my temperament. But it works!
>
> Congratulations!  Feels good whenyou've wrestled and won, doesn't it?
> Just one thing - if you've got a working lilo.conf I would copy it to
> lilo.conf.sav now, just in case you need to try anything else.
>
> Anne
Good idea, I think I will print it out also, and put it in a safe deposit box. 
:  0   Thanks for all the help everyone, sometimes it is easier to struggle 
if you know you are not on your own.
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Re: [newbie] two Mandrakes on two harddrives

[John Richard Smith]

Dennis Myers wrote:

On Tuesday 29 July 2003 07:32 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Dennis Myers wrote:
   

On Tuesday 29 July 2003 02:57 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 

On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 5:29 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
   

On Monday 28 July 2003 10:46 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 

On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 13:24, Dennis Myers wrote:
   

Has anyone installed two MLinux on two seperate HDs on the same
comp and figured out how to get lilo to read them both at boot?
I am trying to do it so that I can beta test and yet run the
regular system when I am not running tests. Any hints or manual
suggestions are appreciated, I have not found anything to help.
 

It would truly be a matter of properly writting out the
/etc/lilo.conf of the first installation; the first installation
would write the lilo to the MBR of the first HD; then after
you've done all that wonderful jazz and gotten your primary
installation up and running, do a second installation on the
"second" drive, but choose to NOT write lilo; then make note of
the boot partition for the second installation and whatnot, and
then write that into the /etc/lilo.conf on the first drive.
   

Thanks Stephen, that is essentially what I am trying to do, just
not getting it right. I will try a clean install of the beta and
not write lilo I think this is where I screwed up. Thanks again,
 

Just wondering - if you installed to the second drive without the
first attached and let it write its lilo, wouldn't that give you the
info you need?  Then re-attaching the first drive it would boot from
the original lilo, Ithink, and you could add the necessary stanza?
Or am I crazy 

Anne
   

I tried that a while back and ran into a problem with the kernel image not
being on hda, caused a kernel panic for the second OS boot. I am not
having much luck here, if I format both disks when installing the first
OS it won't let me name the 2nd harddrive other than /tmp or /var/www
etc.  So I know this can be done and civileme tried to explain how to do
it using a /obj partition, but I must be to dense to figure that one out.
I can not name two / partitions or two /home etc without getting a
conflict.  So anyone see how my head is screwed on backwards?
 

I must say I don't actually have one /home partition, I just let each OS
have a /home directory as part of / base , so my experience is not the
same as yours, but having said that, I cannot see why you need two /home
partitions anyway.
I do have a /boot partition which keeps that simple.
I take it you have all your partitioning done with mandrake's diskdrake,
so diskdrake ought to just recognise the second drive and designate it
hdb, it always has for me.
I then click on the second tab for hdb and begin to partition as
required, if this the second OS install , I designate the /base
partition , format and proceed to install. You already have a /swap so
that's ok,
When your done installing you don't seem to have choice these days and
have to install a new lilo which will boot up initially from the last ,
that is second OS, install's  /etc/lilo.conf, when on sesktop make a
fresh stanza to boot the first OS and reboot to that OS,where if you
prefer to have the bootup done from the first OS /etc/lilo.conf, merely
add a new stanza to boot the second OS and run /sbin/lilo to rewrite mbr
lilo again. If you don't mind booting from the second OS /etc/lilo.conf
then your merely have to add that stanza to boot the first OS. Sounds
complicated but isn't.
You must, I think, have the /boot partition on the first hda, I don't
think it works putting it on the second hdb . I always put mine in as
the frist partition on hda, but I don't think it's imperative anymore.
John
   

I don't have a problem understanding the above but whenever I try to add the 
second to the first or vice versa I get "/sbin/lilo 
Fatal: Open /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-xxxmdk;  no such file or directory. 
either way I go it is the same. I remember this problem in the past, it seems 
unable to see the correct image.  Any help? 
 

It cannot find the kernel, I'm guessing here, but seems to me that you 
elected to have /boot as part of your /base  in each OS , Yes ?   If 
so,  then you need to copy the kernel over to be with the /boot 
directory in the same OS where the /etc/lilo.conf is being read.

You see I ellect to have a /bootpartition , so the installers in each OS 
automatically install the kernel and everything else in the same place 
and all is found correctly.Incidentally, you may have to copy more than 
the kernel, there is also the initrd files as well.

Also don't forget to explicity define the kernel and initrd files with 
each stanza
in /etc/lilo.conf

here is my current /etc/lilo.conf
boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
vga=791
default=91-2.4.21.0
keytable=/boot/uk.klt
lba32
prompt
nowarn
timeout=200
message=/boot/message
menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw
ignore-table
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk
  

Re: [newbie] DVD writing software

[John Richard Smith]

Haywiremac wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:39:00 -0400
"Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
 

you can't do a 1 to 1 copy of commercial DVDs but with 4.x gigs of
data,
   

Even if you could, a blank DVD costs almost as much as the one you want
to copy, no?
 

In UK , currently, I can buy them for around £3/4  mark each, though the 
price is coming down all the time.

John

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[newbie] Temperatures

["Iván V.G."]

From what  software does that information comes?

Linux's spreading all around my computers, ;-) including a portable AMD 
Athlon who gets hot as hell! I'm newbie and although I've downloaded 
LM-Sensors an I2CBlahBlah, it scared me when it suggested making some 
kernel tests... It also suggested that some distros have something about 
it built-in... But I'm confused (I'm truly a Linux newbie!).

I'm testing some things I've read on another thread ("Getting system 
temperatures") and  I'll surely ask you some things. Thanks in advance.

Chris wrote:

I asked Dennis what this was off-list and hes not sure, so I'll throw this out 
to the rest.  Below is my "sensors" output, what is SBr temp?

via686a-isa-6000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Algorithm: ISA algorithm
CPU core:  +1.71 V  (min =  +1.79 V, max =  +2.18 V)   ALARM
+2.5V: +2.42 V  (min =  +2.24 V, max =  +2.74 V)
I/O:   +3.33 V  (min =  +2.95 V, max =  +3.62 V)
+5V:   +4.89 V  (min =  +4.47 V, max =  +5.49 V)
+12V: +11.80 V  (min = +10.79 V, max = +13.18 V)
CPU Fan:  4787 RPM  (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2)
P/S Fan: 0 RPM  (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2)
SYS Temp:  +44.1°C  (limit =  +60°C, hysteresis =  +50°C)
CPU Temp:  +38.6°C  (limit =  +60°C, hysteresis =  +50°C)
SBr Temp:  +25.9°C  (limit =  +60°C, hysteresis =  +50°C)
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Re: [newbie] Draw a simple line with Gimp

[Michael Adams]

On 30 Jul 2003 14:32:10 +
Marco Verheul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I want to design a logo with Gimp and I need to insert a simple straight
> horizontal line. How do I do this?
> 
> Marco
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> 
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> 
> 
> 

A straight line is a bezier with no flex. May take a little experimenting. Or zoom in 
majorly and follow the squares.

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Re: [newbie] Draw a simple line with Gimp

[Haywiremac]

On 30 Jul 2003 14:32:10 +
Marco Verheul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> I want to design a logo with Gimp and I need to insert a simple
> straight horizontal line. How do I do this?

marquee tool, drag a selection one or two pixels thick and fill with
your choice of 32 billion colours...

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Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

[Inhabitant of Zion]

Hi

I tried this and found that a lot of web sites now won't load...

Anybody else experience this?


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[newbie] Draw a simple line with Gimp

[Marco Verheul]

Hi all,

I want to design a logo with Gimp and I need to insert a simple straight
horizontal line. How do I do this?

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Re: [newbie] Ripping Music with grip(Just Shoot ME)

[Jason]

That's not strictly true, there are Mandrake specific pre-compiled 
binaries for notlame (an mp3 encoder) over at PLF 
(http://plf.zarb.org/). Simply head on over to 
http://www.zarb.org/~nanardon/ and choose an URPMI plf source, add it 
and then urpmi ripperx and urpmi notlame and you are all set. Simple as pie.

Cheers

Jason

Sevatio wrote:
Make sure you have lame or some kind of encoder installed.  Due to some 
b.s. patent issues, you'll have to get lame's source and compile it onto 
your machine. You might even check http://www.rpmfind.net for lame. Then 
set grip to point to lame for the encoder location.  Good luck. Enjoy!  
You might even consider encoding to Ogg instead of Mp3 because Ogg is 
noticeably better.

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Re: [newbie] Laaaag time in mail reaching List

[Haywiremac]

On 30 Jul 2003 20:31:34 +1000
Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> ...and you've been smoking WHAT again?

ffft... wha?

anyway, I've started experimenting with Postfix and now I am relaying
mail to this list through my ISP, seems to be quicker that way, tho
kinda redundant...

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Re: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 30 Jul 2003 12:04 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> Here's some things he liked right off the bat:
>
> * No need to learn any new applications
> * No need to understand anything new
> * No change of "visual" infrastructure
> * No training necessary for the workers
> * No "thinking" about doing backups (they hate that)
> * No "poking around" with ADSL settings anymore
> * No need to manually virus scan stuff
> * No worries about viruses born through email
> * No more pop-up ads
> * pr0n dialers can't work anymore (boss surfs a bit)
> * Everyone's activities can be monitored by the boss
> * No need to have me visit physically
> * No more need to have me do support "on site"
>(unless something really screws up)
> * No licensing with Microsoft (He hates those ties)
>
> He asked about updating the software. I said it updates itself. Big
> smile. He asked about how the antivirus software updates. I said it
> updated itself. Bigger smile. He asked if he had to do manual scans
> for bugs anymore - I said "Only if you want to" - He digs that.
>
Well argued, Stephen.  A construction company wants to construct, a 
manufacturing company wants to manufacture.  They want a computer to 
be a tool, not a master.  What you are offering them is a dream 
solution.

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Epson C62

[rluchor]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 04:41, Anne Wilson wrote:


>
> PS maybe it was just a bad Amazon cart and the next one would have
> worked fine? Just a thought. You know how random the Universe is!
> 

That's not impossible.  I have used replacement carts for my DJ990 
without problems, but I did get one that simply would not be 
accepted.  I rang the supplier, who sent me a replacement and a bag 
to returnthe faulty one.

Anne


My C62 worked OK with a non-Epson cart with MDK9.1 after several nozzle cleanings.  When I used it with WinXP a message popped up that the cart wasn't Epson and the result might not be what was expected.  Other than the original problem that I described here, it works OK.

Rich



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Re: [newbie] Soundblaster Audigy 5.1 Surround

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 30 Jul 2003 11:34 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 20:18, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I have had SBLive surround and now Audigy surround working.  I
> > was never able to get surround on, for instance, the default cd
> > player, but xmms manages everything fine for me.  Have you tried
> > it?
> >
> > Anne
>
> Uh - Anne, how did you get the surround to work with the SBDead!
> ???

With the SBLive under 9.0 I followed Derek's instructions to install 
the cdread plugin.  The Mandrake page says that you need it if you 
don't have a proper cable connection, but in spite of the cable 
nothing was working before, and everything worked afterwards.  When 
lightning caused a spike that got my card I bought an Audigy.  IIRC 
it worked out of the box - but remember the plugin was still there.

Under 9.1 emu10k2 is installed and everything is fine.

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Re: [newbie] OT: ad blocking

[Michael Adams]

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:22:04 -0700
Eric Huff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > There s a simple solution to adverts actually from known sites. This
> > will not block everything concerning adverts, but it will block
> > everything from these advert sites.
> > 
> > Edit your /etc/hosts file as root, and add lines like:
> > 
> > 127.0.0.1   doubleclick.com
> 
> This was actually the topic of the original email i sent...
> 
> 

And now i really love this thread. Excuse me while i venture into su (somewhere 
underhood) and try not to break my computer again.

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Re: [newbie] Soundblaster Audigy 5.1 Surround

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 30 Jul 2003 11:35 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i need the surround while watching a dvd ;) this can only be done
> with xine. 

I also have surround sound with xine.  Get it working in xmms and it 
will probably work in xine - I suspect that they both need the same 
plugin.

> you defenatly dont have surround with the cd player,
> cause a music cd only have stereo sound. in this way, you have the
> same sound at all speakers(left and right are different)
>
It cannot be that simple, as I have a couple of cd's where the centre 
speaker is definitely carrying a separate track.  There is no 
mistaking it.

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Soundblaster Audigy 5.1 Surround

[linux]

i need the surround while watching a dvd ;) this can only be done with xine. 
you defenatly dont have surround with the cd player, cause a music cd only have 
stereo sound. in this way, you have the same sound at all speakers(left and 
right are different)

Zitat von Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Wednesday 30 Jul 2003 7:53 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi
> > i use a sounblaster audigy. i dont have surround in linux :( in
> > windows i do (but who likes weindows?*smile*)
> > are there any ways to get surround?
> >
> > r.liechti
> 
> I have had SBLive surround and now Audigy surround working.  I was 
> never able to get surround on, for instance, the default cd player, 
> but xmms manages everything fine for me.  Have you tried it?
> 
> Anne
> 
> 




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Re: [newbie] Soundblaster Audigy 5.1 Surround

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 20:18, Anne Wilson wrote:

> I have had SBLive surround and now Audigy surround working.  I was 
> never able to get surround on, for instance, the default cd player, 
> but xmms manages everything fine for me.  Have you tried it?
> 
> Anne

Uh - Anne, how did you get the surround to work with the SBDead! ???

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down. Not everyone makes the same assumptions. I haven't lost my mind... it's
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Re: [newbie] gtk-gnutella

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 14:59, Ralph Slooten wrote:

> I still say DC all the way, but not via mldonkey ;-)
> 
> Greetings
> Ralph

What a "Ralph" thing to say! (g)

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Freaks In Linux Houses Shouldn't Throw FUD

By Mr. Stu Poor, technology pundit for the Arkansas "Roadkill
Roundup" newspaper. [Editor's Note: He's the local equivalent of Jesse
Berst].

As you all know, February 17th was the happy day that Microsoft officially
released Windows 2000. I went down to the local Paperclips computer store
and asked if they had any copies in stock. 

One of the pimply-faced Linux longhairs explained that Paperclips didn't
carry Win2K because it is not intended for consumers. What FUD! I can't
believe the gall of those Linux Communists to spread such FUD (Fear,
Uncertainty, and Doubt) about Windows 2000, which is _the_ best, most
stable operating system ever produced in the history of mankind! 

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[newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence

[Stephen Kuhn]

This is slightly OT, but I wanted to show something about how consumers
think (non-geek consumers that are looking for SOLUTIONS and not OS
wars).

I have a customer - they're a building/architecture firm here in
Wollongong, New South Wales (Australia!); they spend very large amounts
of money on software necessary to do their work (AutoCAD and a
financial/accounting package with estimation and cost factoring that
works hand-in-hand with AutoCAD) but cannot necessarily run out and
purchase new machines every year to keep up with the techno-tide; they
run primarily XP, Win2k and Win98SE - and they're happy doing this as it
suits their purposes and their comfort levels - they're stuck into using
computers all the time - day in and day out and don't have the time to
"relearn" new applications, new operating systems or new office suites.

They need a server - file server and print server (at least this is what
they wanted at first) - on top of this, they want a way to protect the
network from bugs'n'nasties, and the horrible pop-up ads and other junk
that ends up cluttering up their email boxes. They have no care as to
what is what - just that it's a machine to do the job. They want to do
it for the least amount/least cost, but most punch.

I'm building them a linux server. This machine will be their mail server
(wow, really?), their file server, their print server, their fax server
(wow, really?), their proxy server (wow, really?), their firewall and
internet gateway (super wow, really?), their backup server (even bigger
wow's and really's!?!), their "profile" storage server, and last but not
least, their "intranet" server (Gosh and jeepers! Way cool!); cost was
the factor.

They were given an outline of the machine and it's capabilities -
without really telling the "boss" what OS the machine was going to have
- he was over the moon with the "total cost"; question did come, though,
as to what it was going to run - to which he was told "linux"; "Oh
really? Ok...is that cheaper than Windows server?" - I then proceeded to
tell him that it would cost literally another $3000 to $5000 for an "All
Windows" server. Nah. No go. "Um, I like the first one you
said"..."Linux?" - "Yeah, that one".

He was told that he (or I) can actually completely administer the
machine remotely - or perform maintenance or support remotely - no extra
cost (except for the support contract which is still not alot of money);
way cool! That's really cool!

Here's some things he liked right off the bat:

* No need to learn any new applications
* No need to understand anything new
* No change of "visual" infrastructure
* No training necessary for the workers
* No "thinking" about doing backups (they hate that)
* No "poking around" with ADSL settings anymore
* No need to manually virus scan stuff
* No worries about viruses born through email
* No more pop-up ads
* pr0n dialers can't work anymore (boss surfs a bit)
* Everyone's activities can be monitored by the boss
* No need to have me visit physically
* No more need to have me do support "on site"
   (unless something really screws up)
* No licensing with Microsoft (He hates those ties)

He asked about updating the software. I said it updates itself. Big
smile. He asked about how the antivirus software updates. I said it
updated itself. Bigger smile. He asked if he had to do manual scans for
bugs anymore - I said "Only if you want to" - He digs that.

These people don't give a rat's bum about being loyal to Microsoft or to
another - they're worried about cost and effectiveness. If he can get
two more years out of a box with Win2k on it or Win98SE on it, he's over
the moon. Less overhead.

Now, what I'm trying to get at here is this simple fact: Linux and
Microsoft can get along - and get along quite well together. I went
through this same thing about 10 years ago with Macs and PC's - and
shown people time and time again that they can live happily together and
not be a thorn in anyone's side. Linux - especially when used properly
as a server that's setup nicely and setup for alot of monotonous
repetitive tasks can make a network with MS products more stable and
more safe; for all intents and purposes, Windows was built to be a
"workstation" and really nothing more (although it's always pushed into
trying to be a server product); end-users can happily be in XP and linux
happily sits in the background churning away at the tough jobs - jobs it
was designed to do from the get-go...

Now there might come a time when I can show this particular customer
that a linux workstation might be a good choice for an addition there in
the office, but currently, it's of no use - they ain't got the time nor
the freedom to "test" this...

...and they saved thousands of dollars off of "locked in licensing" of a
Microsoft product - and that money saved is money I'll get back out of
them when they purchase something else they've been wanting almost more
than a new server - 19" monitors!

...resume your course...
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Re: [newbie] Laaaag time in mail reaching List

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 19:18, Haywiremac wrote:

> Heh, and fortune once again spits out a suitable sig!

...and you've been smoking WHAT again?

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As for the basic assumptions about individuality and self, this is the core
of what I like about cyberpunk. And it's the core of what I like about certain
pre-gibson neophile techie SF writers that certain folks here like to put
down. Not everyone makes the same assumptions. I haven't lost my mind... it's
backed up on tape.
-- Peter da Silva

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Re: [newbie] gtk-gnutella

[Ralph Slooten]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:19:12 -0400
Haywiremac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ah, the way I understood it was that with a new version, MLDonkey would
> be getting aroung that, sharing amongst all networks. I'll read it
> again.

Sharing on most networks, not all. On DC, these clients have a static "share" of
exactly 12MB, which is actually not even a share, but a so-called value which is
hard-coded. So it comes down to the fact that on hubs, all these *donkey users
are simple just leaching off others, which not giving anything back. These
clients also result in a shitload of traffic on hubs, with all their searches
and so on.

I believe the DC plugin will be called off pretty soon, due to the fact that
most hubs permanently ban Donkey users (in any form) due to their
useless-workings on a 2-way scale. If you take, you must give, but these clients
cannot give, so are not welcome.


> What do you find is the biggest advantage with DC? I only just migrated
> from gtk-gnutella to mldonkey...I have a feeling... :-))


The biggest advantage.. hmm, this is a good one. I'm not sure. I use DCGui-qt
(http://dc.ketelhot.de/), and am actively busy with it's development and
creation of Mandrake RPM's on my site. This client supports features beyond the
well-knows DC++ (windows) but has not really as of yet been well accepted on all
hubs, mainly due to the fact that these kiddie-scripters who write these bots to
monitor clients have the theory of "if it's not DC++, it's bad".

Direct Connect is a great fast system, but is aimed at users with fixed
connections (adsl and higher). It's a fast network due to the fact that, unlike
kazaa, all searches are local (the hub/s you are on), and not all on one central
server, and clients like DCGui-qt can add multiple sources for one file.

Now for my honest feelings of Direct Connect: Superior for large files (iso's,
films and so on), but sometimes a PITA for let's say an mp3 album. So, it all
depends on what you like, and what you use. Direct Connect is a chat program
too, kinda like IRC on every hub you are connected to. I like it, and will be
using it for a long time, as everything I need is on it, just it takes sometimes
a full (all) hub-searches (I have around 4000 hubs in my list) to find it, hence
the reason for a good connection ;-)

Greetings
Ralph
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Re: [newbie] OT M$ Loses again

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 16:14, Lee Wiggers wrote:
> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2003-07-14-linux-tech_x.htm

Rome wasn't built in a day, and certainly didn't fall in a day; but we
can hope for a quicker demise to the monopoly of dem guys!

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A fake fortuneteller can be tolerated.  But an authentic soothsayer should
be shot on sight.  Cassandra did not get half the kicking around she deserved.
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Re: [newbie] DVD writing software

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 11:19 pm, Richard Urwin wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 8:52 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > My box is pretty full, so I'd have to forego something if I
> > wanted another card in.  I'm beginning to think that one computer
> > just isn't enough for all the things I want to do 
>
> Time to look at OpenMOSIX? Unlike Beowulf it gives you n screens
> for n boxes, but they are all one computer. Some day I'll give it a
> go. When I manage to convince my gf that two computers is not
> excessive...

Hmm - tempting - give up! - go on, I like it - go away, I can't do 
this - can I? - no I can't

Stop putting ideas into my head   Not an option at the moment, 
Richard, but this is an idea that might just grow.

Anne

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