[newbie] KPACKAGE , remote host ?... and GNORPM too.

[Bob]

Hi,

What's the format for a host URL in Kpack's config setup. I 
tried both the "Use remote host" option (which disables all 
other package formats except DEBIAN) and under the RPM-locations
button. Either I get a ROOT LOGIN or error popup from the remote
or everything goes well but nothing happens: Kpack doesn't seem 
to list any extra RPM's from the host and not even a (recursive 
?) search (apparently not on the host) gives results.
Any solutions and what are good mirror URLs ?

I also have a remote host problem with GNORPM. Here you can 
provide an URL but it seems to add 
"resources/RDF/fullindex.rdf.gz" to the end (this is apparently 
hardwired in GNORPM, I checked it in a hexeditor) and this 
listfile is nowhere to be found anymore (not even at 
//rpmfind.net). So is GNORPM obsolete by now ?

Thanks,
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Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

[John Wilson]

On September 22, 2003 07:40 pm, yankl wrote:

>vicously clear cuts a whole forest of words<

>
> I do not think that we need to embrace every person who like to switch to
> linux. (I see the stones flying in my direction but bare with me for a
> second) The *NIX OS is designed for responsible people, are we agree on
> this?

Of course we can. :-)

In fact any OS should be designed for responsinle persons.  The fact is that 
our favourite whipping boy is designed that way too, then sold as an OS for 
morons.  You get what you market to. :-)

>
> NT-2000-XP could be as good as *NIX (I see more stones flying in my
> direction) but it have two major flows. First, every user is Administrator
> in the system.Second, its make operation easy by hiding most of the
> backstage operation from user. Why? Because it is easy OS, i.e., by doing
> this OS writer eliminate situation where user would need to know underbelly
> of the system.  The idea is that you do not need to know how staff ranning.
> In opposite in *NIX to survive one need to know how things working and why
> they working like this. Users who like to run easy OS and like to switch to
> *NIX will force us to come to the same situation where by default we will
> try to make a user life as easy as it can be. I see that trend in some kde
> tools. For example do you know where is settings for mime types association
> is?  Now tell me where is a file where this settings stored and what
> command is responsible for update of this settings? One Russian general sad
> that if it is difficult in training, it will be easy in a battle. So unless
> it is emergency the response RFTM could be a good one.

Okay, I'm gonna start flogging this dead horse again.

Let's go back a bit to where the man pages actually came from and the purpose 
they served and largely continue to serve.  In the early NIX world where the 
folks hacking away on the system were C programmers talking to C programmers 
they came up with this neat system to communicate with each other.  It was 
called manuals or man pages.  Initially they were nothing more than slighlty 
edited copies of code comments explaining a module or package complete with a 
list of options.

While they've come a very small way since then in that they are no longer just 
a rehash of code commentary the purpose is still the same.  It may not be C 
programmers talking to C programmers any more it's more likely to be shell 
programmers talking to each other.  It's still dense, it says very little 
that is of any help to a newbie and is likely to lead to more confusion that 
it is to a solution.

And it ain't just Windows users that will be running for the hills.  They'll 
be Mac users, Amiga users and just plain folk who haven't had their own  
desktop/laptop before.

Hell, the man pages are intimidating to university students who specialize in 
NIX.  They serve an invaluable purpose, as noted above, but they were never 
intended or written as teaching tools to people who are looking at Mandrake 
and scratching their heads about how to do something.
>
> By the chance -k switch in man is key word switch. To find the man pages
> related to some word.

I've made dinner and washed up waiting on that one :-)

While not a shot at you, yankl, there are things people who advocate man pages 
as a teaching/learning document need to remember.

The most important thing is that adults don't learn that way.  Present an 
adult with an impetetrable wall, which is how man pages and, sadly, the 
majority of HOWTOS, appear and they will try to work through it for a while 
then wonder what the blazes and I doing here and go out and get you know what 
from a certain Mr Gates cause everyone tells them the lie that it's easy.

Adults need to feel, fairly quickly, that they've accomplished something.  And 
documentation should be written to allow that.

For example, Joe and Jane Public have a spanking new Mandrake system with, 
what they discover, is a web server called Apache on it.  Great, says Jane, I 
want to put some stuff up there just for your family.  Documents on Apache 
should show Jane, and Joe if he can pull himself away from his favourite 
beverage and the football match, how to do that in quick order.  We'll 
pretend such documentation exists.  (It doesn't, believe me.)  Jane looks at 
her creation and smiles.  Now she's ready to delve more deeply into the 
mysteries of .htaccess and a whole bunch of other stuff that she didn't know 
existed.  She's also ready to poke around into the firewall because someone 
suggested that turning off port 80 access incoming from the internet would be 
a very good idea.  She quickly finds documentation on shorewall and webmin 
that help her do this. (This currently does not exist.  It used to but the 
maintainer of shorewall has deleted it.)

Now she's ready to dig into the HOWTOS and the man pages.  She's done 
something, she'd proud of it and wants to learn more.  She knows, and so does 
Joe, that it can

Re: [newbie] CLI downloading

[Fajar Priyanto]

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On Tuesday 23 September 2003 01:06 pm, yankl wrote:
> try to put "\" in front of "!" so the address should read
>  http://www.overclockedcafe.com/Sandra_standard/OCCsanMAX3\!.zip

Thanks yankl, it works! ;p

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Re: [newbie] CLI downloading

[yankl]

On Tuesday 23 September 2003 12:21 am, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
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>
> Dear all,
> I've just been using Prozilla, and I like it. It's very similar to DAP for
> windows.
>
> However, some sites seem to prevend the use of this kind of download
> managers (especially CLI ones) by appending a "!" at the end of the
> filename. So, when I type it, the bash will return an error.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Documents]$ proz
> http://www.overclockedcafe.com/Sandra_standard/OCCsanMAX3!.zip
> bash: !.zip: event not found
>
> How do I work around this?
> Thanks
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> Quote of the day:
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 http://www.overclockedcafe.com/Sandra_standard/OCCsanMAX3\!.zip
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[newbie] 9.2 release date

[Anarky]

   hmmm .. I thought it was going to be released on 22nd ... but it's 
23rd .. and nothing :(


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RE: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!

[Frankie]

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn
>Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2003 7:25 AM
>To: Mandrake Newbie
>Subject: Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!
>
>
>On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 08:57, Chris wrote:
>> On Sunday 21 September 2003 11:37 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Mate, I was just wee'ing in everyone's weetbix...personally, I think
>> > Honda's are great for family usage, Ford's are great for
>utes, Toyota is
>> > great for rover-type utes, Mercedes is great for buses and
>small trucks,
>> > and Holdens are, uh, great for decorating your driveway...or
>holding up
>> > a garage...
>>
>> So Stephen, you're telling me that the new GTO which is based
>on a Holden
>> will not really be worth the $$?  Personally I think its ugly,
>looks too
>> much like the Grand Am in front, and I know I can't afford one.
>
>Nah - I wouldn't waste the bux. I'm actually looking at getting a
>Vauxhall or something pre-1969 / post-1955 for a biz car; seen a few old
>Holden utes that are cool - classics - ditto with a few Ferds - and even
>an old Dodge ute (nice paintjob) - all for under $10k; if I had the
>cashola for a new vehicle - I'd not mind one of the new Honda SUV-type
>thingies - or if I was really really selfish, a Honda2000 - but I have
>to think practically...
>
>Would be great, through - driving 'round town in an old classic with
>adverts painted on it and a wild paint job (not too "punk",
>though)...sure beats seeing some of the "competition"...they all seem to
>have the same vehicles...
>
>stephen kuhn - owner

FRANKI:

Yeah, I have an old Falcon XC sundowner panel van in the shed, apparently
its quite rair,, if I had not taken out the 6cyl and put in the 351 V8 it
would be worth bucks..

will make a good work car one day, when I get around to shoehorning a Lexus
LS400 motor into it..

the old cars have so much more character.

rgds

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Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

[yankl]

On Monday 22 September 2003 11:47 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
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> September 22, 2003 08:40 pm, yankl wrote:
> [..]
>
> > Thanks for correcting me, it is rant. The spell check some time can be an
> > evil creature.
>
> I was having a bit of fun Yankl.
>
> 
> The use of the word seemed possibly appropriate given that line in your
> signature. ;)
> 
>

I have not made a connection until I look at word definition.

> Depends on your desktop environment. Are you after the mimetypes in;

talk about kde and on going problem with wma files. I was trying to make a 
point of hiding setting from users. In days when I started many moons ago, 
script was a king and you use to have had figure out staff by yourself, and 
along the way you would find tons of info which would help you in the future. 
Now days KDE/GNOME  becoming dangerously NTish, which could compromise 
security and stability of *NIX. 


> I guess you haven't tried the Release Candidates for 9.2 then?

 cooker since it reopen after 9.1 relies 


> Smells like "protecting the noobs from themselves" and I find that slightly
> distasteful.

second this


> It's been an interesting 
> discussion, thanks. :)

Yes it was. Hope it all for good.

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[newbie] untarring a backup of windows partition - permission with fat32

[revolt]

 I want to backup my boss's fresh install of XP to a gzip (on a 
mandrake partition) on his dell, then be able to "ghost" his XP back 
onto the fat32 partition. I have been experimenting in preparation for 
this and have gotten some errors that I believe may be related to fat32 
not having any permissions system (Cannot utime: Operation not 
permitted), yet the files are all extracted (apparently) correctly. I 
know people on the list have suggested using this method before. Could 
someone provide more explicit instructions for me? TIA


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Re: [newbie] load average

[Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas]

On Monday 22 September 2003 13:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That's the result of some commands, as "top"!

And I got the idea from some aussie (ex-yankie dude). :-)

And it changes at every 5 minutes!

Ricardo Castanho

(also curious!)


> Ricardo's signature wrote this in a message on Saturday morning (00:50:14):
> =-=-=
> Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:45:00 -0300
>  00:45:00 up 2 days, 13:35,  3 users,  load average: 1.86, 1.72, 1.37
> =-=-=
> What is this load average?  I thought that it was a percentage of CPU use,
>  but then he's at 186%, so that's obviously wrong (unless he typed this as
>  a joke . . .).  Also, what are the other 2 values?  They seem related to
>  the first, I'm thinking [avg last minute], [avg last hour]
>
> Curiously,
> Max

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla as default email - again

[Russ]

Hi Brant,

Thanks for the reply. The same email link in Mozilla browser opens an 
empty email with the "To:" field filled in. That same exact link when 
clicked in Konquerer opens a blank email with the focus on the "To:" 
field but not filled in. However, when I choose Kmail as the default 
email client and click that same link in Konquerer the address is filled in.

Thanks for the help
Russ
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:

The "%t" fills in the "To:" field of the email with whatever is included 
in the mailto: link.  No "To:" field in the link--no "To:" field in the 
email.

The same goes for the "%s" macro.  Only it deals with the subject.


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Re: [newbie] Mozilla as default email - again

[Brant Fitzsimmons]

Russ wrote:

Hi Brant,

even though that string didn't work, that was what I was asking for. 
Could you tell me what they mean and maybe I can experiment with some 
others. Maybe even a place the gives a short and easy (remember newbie 
here) to understand howto on strings (if in fact I am actually using 
the correct term).

Thanks
Russ
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:

I believe that this is what you are looking for.

mozilla -compose %t %s 

The "%t" fills in the "To:" field of the email with whatever is included 
in the mailto: link.  No "To:" field in the link--no "To:" field in the 
email.

The same goes for the "%s" macro.  Only it deals with the subject.

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[newbie] CLI downloading

[Fajar Priyanto]

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Dear all,
I've just been using Prozilla, and I like it. It's very similar to DAP for 
windows.

However, some sites seem to prevend the use of this kind of download managers 
(especially CLI ones) by appending a "!" at the end of the filename. So, when 
I type it, the bash will return an error.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] Documents]$ proz 
http://www.overclockedcafe.com/Sandra_standard/OCCsanMAX3!.zip
bash: !.zip: event not found

How do I work around this?
Thanks
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Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

[Charlie M.]

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September 22, 2003 08:40 pm, yankl wrote:
[..]

> Thanks for correcting me, it is rant. The spell check some time can be an
> evil creature.

I was having a bit of fun Yankl. 


The use of the word seemed possibly appropriate given that line in your 
signature. ;)


> I do not think that we need to embrace every person who like to switch to
> linux. (I see the stones flying in my direction but bare with me for a
> second) The *NIX OS is designed for responsible people, are we agree on
> this?

Agreed with limits. Some "irresponsible" people may seem that way at first 
blush, and may even be so. But everyone has the potential to grow so I think 
all deserve a chance. One anyway. 

> NT-2000-XP could be as good as *NIX (I see more stones flying in my
> direction) but it have two major flows. First, every user is Administrator
> in the system.Second, its make operation easy by hiding most of the
> backstage operation from user. Why? Because it is easy OS, i.e., by doing
> this OS writer eliminate situation where user would need to know underbelly
> of the system.  The idea is that you do not need to know how staff ranning.
> In opposite in *NIX to survive one need to know how things working and why
> they working like this. Users who like to run easy OS and like to switch to
> *NIX will force us to come to the same situation where by default we will
> try to make a user life as easy as it can be. I see that trend in some kde
> tools. For example do you know where is settings for mime types association
> is?  Now tell me where is a file where this settings stored and what
> command is responsible for update of this settings? One Russian general sad
> that if it is difficult in training, it will be easy in a battle. So unless
> it is emergency the response RFTM could be a good one.
>
Depends on your desktop environment. Are you after the mimetypes in;

/usr/bin
/usr/share
/usr/local

or over all? It's a long list. File associations for most people are found in 
and changed in the GUI file manager. Some people do everything at the CLI 
instead though. I don't have a preference myself, I'll use whatever strikes 
my fancy at the moment. 

Or did you just want /etc/menu-methods? Or in user space only?

I guess you haven't tried the Release Candidates for 9.2 then? Some of the 
changes are leaning that way, even more than some of the things incorporated 
into 9.1. There are a few details that I'll be changing and a few functions 
I'll be adding back into my own install to get back to the "easy enough to 
work with, *very easy to break*" that I've grown accustomed to. I can still 
do whatever I've always been able to in Mandrake Linux, it's just not as easy 
to do some things as it once was. As super user for example.

Smells like "protecting the noobs from themselves" and I find that slightly 
distasteful. 

It's their equipment, if they want to screw it up let them.

I will disagree however that RTFM is ever a good stand alone response. Some 
people won't even know at first that there are such things. '"RTFM X part of 
the manual" accessed by typing the following command in a terminal' would 
probably always be appropriate however.

> By the chance -k switch in man is key word switch. To find the man pages
> related to some word.

Yes and how many that inhabit this list knew that before this thread (useful 
as it probably has been) started? It's been an interesting discussion, 
thanks. :)

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Lance Cummings]

Hi Paul,

Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 9:25:42 AM, you wrote:

HF> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:17:04 +0100 Derek Jennings
HF> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
HF> 
>> Hey calm down Lance. I was not saying you cannot control refresh rate
>> in Linux. Merely that it is not as simple as just selecting a drop
>> down box like in Windows. To get 32bit 1024x 768 resolution all you
>> need do is add the lines
>> 
HF> 
>> derek
>> 
HF> I think part of his point is it should be simpler.  I agree with him.

That's about the long and short of it, yes.  Linux is clearly trying
to make a push onto the corporate and retail desktop.  And a lot of
Linux backers are claiming these days that the ease-of-use and
installation issues have pretty much been taken care of by the modern
distributions and automated install routines. And to a large extent,
this claim is clearly true.

But here is a very basic configuration area where there is a rather
large hole. Refresh rate is very basic for ergonomic computing. The
desire of a great many people to run at as high a refresh rate as
their hardware will allow is not going to go away.  And people -- by
and large -- are not going to take mini E.E. courses in order to
configure their monitors to run at desired settings in Linux,
especially given the fact that the wrong numbers on a mode line can
silently trash the monitor.  Some will indeed do that of course, but
the OS isn't ever going to go mainstream that way. This is simply an
incompleteness in setup and configuration, and a pretty glaring one
considering the progress that has been made in other areas with
respect to getting this puppy ready for the mainstream. (There are
three things everyone wants to set almost immediately with regard to
the visual interface: color depth, screen res., and vertical refresh
rate -- Linux has the first two down pat and is missing the third, so
it's very, very noticeable.)

I have a very well-known monitor that has been out for a number of
years.  There are probably tens of thousands of people using the
exact same model (Viewsonic PF790), and there would have to be at
least hundreds if not thousands of Linux users using it.  It's hard
for me to believe there isn't a database somewhere in the Linux
community where these settings are maintained, and I can just read
and make the appropriate edit with some fair degree of confidence.
But apparently that is the case. Sometimes it takes an outsider with
a fresh viewpoint to notice things.  This is very noticeable.


Lance


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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Charlie M.]

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> Just as long as its someone.
> it was Masterfuly done.
>
Thanks Aron. I wish such things didn't feel necessary occasionally.
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Re: [newbie] Re: problem installing mplayer

[Charlie M.]

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September 22, 2003 08:41 pm, Terence J. Golightly wrote:
[..]
Public key attached in off list message.

> I tried to cut and paste a search on your key at the end of your
> message, but got a keyserver error message code not found.  I don't
> think I am entering the string correctly.  I did a highlight and copy of
> the string of characters and I tried the whole text form signature begin
> to signature end and got the same error message.

The search on the keyserver would be easier if you used the key number rather 
than the string. Or at least possible. It should be at the top of the 
message. It's (Key ID: 0x1B996522) but I sent it to you off list anyway.
>
> ? I did the import of the key from zarb using lynx just as you describe,
> I was wondering if there is another way(s)? Would Firebird or Opera do
> that for me as well?

They would download the key (pubkey.asc) but I don't know if you could pipe it 
directly to gpg 'cause I've honestly never tried it with any browser except 
lynx and you need to be superuser or root for the import to function. Since 
you'd have to be at the command line anyway to do it directly lynx is less 
trouble anyway. :-) Told you people I was lazy, didn't I? 

> Worked like linux. :)
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Terry
>
You're welcome. The key you wanted is on it's way off list.
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Re: [newbie] Mozilla as default email - again

[Russ]

Hi Brant,

even though that string didn't work, that was what I was asking for. 
Could you tell me what they mean and maybe I can experiment with some 
others. Maybe even a place the gives a short and easy (remember newbie 
here) to understand howto on strings (if in fact I am actually using the 
correct term).

Thanks
Russ
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
I believe that this is what you are looking for.

mozilla -compose %t %s



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Re: [newbie] Mozilla as default email - again

[Brant Fitzsimmons]

Russ wrote:

Hi Carroll,

I replied to that email. In my original email I did say mozilla 
-composer but I meant mozilla -compose (no "r"). Sorry for the confusion.

When I enter mozilla -mail into the field and I click on an email link 
in Konquerer, Mozilla email program does open (the whole program). 
When I put mozilla -compose (no "r") then an email opens ready to fill 
out and send. However, I have to fill in the email address and the 
subject. When I click on an email address in the Mozilla Browser then 
an email opens ready to compose but the email address is already 
filled in. Therefore, mozilla -compose is correct for that field but 
there should be some sort of a string or something that follows it (ie 
"mozilla -compose "). I know nothing about strings so 
I have no idea where to start to experiment with.

Yes, mozilla -composer (with and "r") does open the HTML editor. I 
suspect the email editor uses the same engine. Anyway, what I am 
asking for is the  part.

Thanks
Russ
Carroll Grigsby wrote:

Russ:
What was wrong with Margot's reply of 09/20/03? Mozilla -composer is 
used to create HTML pages; Mozilla -mail is used to access mail. Or 
didn't that work for you?
-- cmg

I believe that this is what you are looking for.

mozilla -compose %t %s

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla as default email - again

[Russ]

Hi Carroll,

I replied to that email. In my original email I did say mozilla 
-composer but I meant mozilla -compose (no "r"). Sorry for the confusion.

When I enter mozilla -mail into the field and I click on an email link 
in Konquerer, Mozilla email program does open (the whole program). When 
I put mozilla -compose (no "r") then an email opens ready to fill out 
and send. However, I have to fill in the email address and the subject. 
When I click on an email address in the Mozilla Browser then an email 
opens ready to compose but the email address is already filled in. 
Therefore, mozilla -compose is correct for that field but there should 
be some sort of a string or something that follows it (ie "mozilla 
-compose "). I know nothing about strings so I have no 
idea where to start to experiment with.

Yes, mozilla -composer (with and "r") does open the HTML editor. I 
suspect the email editor uses the same engine. Anyway, what I am asking 
for is the  part.

Thanks
Russ
Carroll Grigsby wrote:
Russ:
What was wrong with Margot's reply of 09/20/03? Mozilla -composer is used to 
create HTML pages; Mozilla -mail is used to access mail. Or didn't that work 
for you?
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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Dale Huckeby]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Aron Smith wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 11:09, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Monday 22 Sep 2003 5:04 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
> > 
> > > Now That was vintage joe hill Rah!
> > 
> > Aron, that was a 245 line email, for that one line.  Could I 
> > respectfully point you at 
> > http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette
> > 
> > Anne
> True love but sometimes the comparison is the content.

  Anne was being tactful.  It's _rude_ to make the rest of us to wade
through an entire previous post to get to your way_to_go line.  If you
flagged it "No added content", at least I'd know not to waste my time
looking for some.

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Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

[yankl]

On Monday 22 September 2003 09:19 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
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>
> September 22, 2003 06:51 pm, yankl wrote:
> > On Monday 22 September 2003 07:51 pm, Heather/Femme wrote:
> > > On 22 Sep 2003 06:41:39 -0400
> >
> > I think my point was not taken properly. I am sorry it probably my
> > English (it not even my second language more like fourth).
>
> My point was that (I'm accepting the language barrier but you seem to be
> doing amazingly well) a response such as that one would frighten most
> Windows refugees to death when they're already near to running for the
> hills. I hope you didn't take anything that I responded the wrong way. We
> need all of the help we can find around here and you *do* seem to know what
> you're doing AFAICS.
>
> > My point was  that people should make a research first and then try to
> > ask questions. By researching you find new tools and new way to do it. By
> > asking and replicating what other told you you box yourself in one
> > "correct way" and do not know that their are more way to do it.
>
>  I'll agree with that within the limitation that first we have to teach
> those people _how_ to find the answers. As with almost everything related
> to Open Source Software, there are many ways to do searches, many sources
> to do those searches. It always amazes me that so many people that I deal
> with daily have a hard time finding things on Google, but that doesn't mean
> I stop trying to teach them.
>
> > Man pages problem is not often in man pages writers, it is in man pages
> > users. Remember to get correct answer you must ask correct question. And
> > this mean techno talk, jargon, terminology and simple understanding of
> > what you are trying to do.
>
> This goes back to the fact that a newbie isn't going to know how to ask
> "intelligent questions" until they're taught. Can we agree on that?
>
> > I am not against community support. However, I think that teaching people
> > to understand how to get info from resources provided to them we could
> > help them more then just given them correct answer.
>
> Usually I'll post a link to more information when I answer a question. I've
> been a bit slack on that score recently due to time pressure; but that's
> *my* problem. If even half of those reading such responses click the links
> eventually they'll gain a glimpse of what's available.
>
> > My definition of m$users is people who do not think how to do something
> > but just know how to click. Other name I have for them is lifu "long
> > index fingers users".
>
> Really? I call those people politicians(1) usually.  MS users are people
> that in most cases have never had a reason to think anything else was
> possible.
>
> > Sorry for an other runt.
>
> OK, now I'm starting to wonder about those weak language skills you claim.
> In your signature you call yourself "Tiny IT guy" but that's three times
> that I remember you have used the word "runt" when the correct word is
> "rant." Unless it's an intentional pun of course. If it is; good one! :-)
>
> ;)Which other runt though? (;
>
> Peace;
> Charlie
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Thanks for correcting me, it is rant. The spell check some time can be an evil 
creature. 

I do not think that we need to embrace every person who like to switch to 
linux. (I see the stones flying in my direction but bare with me for a 
second) The *NIX OS is designed for responsible people, are we agree on this?

NT-2000-XP could be as good as *NIX (I see more stones flying in my direction) 
but it have two major flows. First, every user is Administrator in the 
system.Second, its make operation easy by hiding most of the backstage 
operation from user. Why? Because it is easy OS, i.e., by doing this OS 
writer eliminate situation where user would need to know underbelly of the 
system.  The idea is that you do not need to know how staff ranning. In 
opposite in *NIX to survive one need to know how things working and why they 
working like this. Users who like to run easy OS and like to switch to *NIX 
will force us to come to the same situation where by default we will try to 
make a user life as easy as it can be. I see that trend in some kde tools. 
For example do you know where is settings for mime types association is?  Now 
tell me where is a file where this settings stored and what command is 
responsible for update of this settings? One Russian general sad that if it 
is difficult in training, it will be easy in a battle. So unless it is 
emergency the response RFTM could be a good one. 


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Re: [newbie] Re: problem installing mplayer

[Terence J. Golightly]

On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 22:54, Charlie M. wrote:

Charlie,

> Last question answered first. My public key is on the MIT keyserver
> Just input the number 

I tried to cut and paste a search on your key at the end of your
message, but got a keyserver error message code not found.  I don't
think I am entering the string correctly.  I did a highlight and copy of
the string of characters and I tried the whole text form signature begin
to signature end and got the same error message. 

> import it. 

? I did the import of the key from zarb using lynx just as you describe,
I was wondering if there is another way(s)? Would Firebird or Opera do
that for me as well?
> 
> The reason you can't import the PLF key with that command is there's one too 
> many hyphens Terry. Compare; what you input:
> 
> lynx -source http://plf.zarb.org/plf.asc | gpg - --import 

> to what I sent:
> 
> lynx -source http://plf.zarb.org/plf.asc | gpg --import
> 
Worked like linux. :)

Thanks again,

Terry

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1) [Off list]

[Dennis Myers]

On Monday 22 September 2003 08:51 pm, Heather/Femme wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:22:17 -0400
>
> Carroll Grigsby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Monday 22 September 2003 08:25 pm, Heather/Femme wrote:
> > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:17:04 +0100
> > > Derek Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 


> > > 
> > >

> > >
> > > I think part of his point is it should be simpler.  I agree with
> > > him.
> > >
> > > Paul Femmeyon
> >
> > Femme:
> > Paul? This time you've really lost me.
> > -- cmg

Like Paul Bunyun of legend.

> Missed chopping out a name at the bottom.
>
> Was referring to Lances suggestion changing resolution & refresh should
> be easier to do in Linux. It should.  Thats all I meant.  Sorry for the
> confusion.
>
> Femme

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Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

[yankl]

On Monday 22 September 2003 07:51 pm, Heather/Femme wrote:
> On 22 Sep 2003 06:41:39 -0400

I think my point was not taken properly. I am sorry it probably my English (it 
not even my second language more like fourth). 

My point was  that people should make a research first and then try to ask 
questions. By researching you find new tools and new way to do it. By asking 
and replicating what other told you you box yourself in one "correct way" and 
do not know that their are more way to do it. 

Man pages problem is not often in man pages writers, it is in man pages users. 
Remember to get correct answer you must ask correct question. And this mean 
techno talk, jargon, terminology and simple understanding of what you are 
trying to do.

I am not against community support. However, I think that teaching people to 
understand how to get info from resources provided to them we could help them 
more then just given them correct answer.

My definition of m$users is people who do not think how to do something but 
just know how to click. Other name I have for them is lifu "long index 
fingers users".

Sorry for an other runt.

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Sunday 21 September 2003 11:29 pm, Lance Cummings wrote:
>
> Last question for now:
>
> I set up the box to use KDE and Kmail.  I did not give Kmail my
> account information yet, because for the time being I want to keep my
> e-mail database on Windows intact.  That means I want to download,
> but not delete from the server with Kmail.  Anyone know real quick
> how to set that up before "turning on" Kmail by giving it access to
> my server?
>
> Thanks to everyone who's chipping in here.
>
> Lance

Lance:
>From KMail, Click Settings; Configure KMail; Network; Extras, and set the 
"Delete message from server..." to off.
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Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Monday 22 September 2003 11:15 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 00:45, Frankie wrote:
> > Well Steve,
> >
> > I figured that considering your linux favours, and what you do for a
> > job... there was a good chance you are a geek...
> >
> > Now I know your a 4 cyl fan that can't appreciate a good V8, the picture
> > is complete..
>
> (She's had a Honda Civic since 1992...family car...four door - not a
> hotrod)
>
> > Do you own a pocket protector?  do you go out with a pocket that contains
> > more then one writing impliment???
>
> Er, yeah - but I don't wear the PP no mo...and yeah, I do go out with MY
> PEN and at least one disposable pen for those that steal pens...and my
> calculator...
>

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Heather/Femme]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:17:04 +0100
Derek Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey calm down Lance. I was not saying you cannot control refresh rate
> in Linux. Merely that it is not as simple as just selecting a drop
> down box like in Windows. To get 32bit 1024x 768 resolution all you
> need do is add the lines
> 

> derek
> 
I think part of his point is it should be simpler.  I agree with him.

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Re: [newbie] KDE Multilanguage support

[yankl]

On Monday 22 September 2003 05:37 pm, Boulytchev, Vasiliy wrote:
> Ladies and Gents,
>   I would like to be able to use Cyrillic's on KDE 3.0 (md9.0)... Where do I
> go to, to accomplish this?
>
> THANKS!
>
>
> Vasiliy Boulytchev
> Colorado Information Technologies, Inc.
> http://www.coinfotech.com

In the Kde Control Center you need to change country.

Simple way to do it to go to cli and type "kcmshell language". This will bring 
interface for language alone. On the first tab change United States to Russia 
restart kde. 

Rest is in Russian:
Esli ne ponyal napish na mylo.
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Re: [newbie] Damn "newbie" user!

[Julian]

On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 12:42 am, Julian wrote:
> On Monday 22 Sep 2003 5:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Everytime I get one I reply to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" with "Fix your email."
> > Doesn't bounce back, but it might go to /dev/null, I suppose.
>
> looks like it comes from here:
> http://kaluga.mts.ru/mts/ru-full/welcome
> Looking at the archive, everything has been tried. I'll ask a russian
> speaking friend to e-mail them anyway.

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Re: [newbie] load average

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Monday 22 September 2003 12:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ricardo's signature wrote this in a message on Saturday morning (00:50:14):
> =-=-=
> Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:45:00 -0300
>  00:45:00 up 2 days, 13:35,  3 users,  load average: 1.86, 1.72, 1.37
> =-=-=
> What is this load average?  I thought that it was a percentage of CPU use,
>  but then he's at 186%, so that's obviously wrong (unless he typed this as
>  a joke . . .).  Also, what are the other 2 values?  They seem related to
>  the first, I'm thinking [avg last minute], [avg last hour]
>
> Curiously,
> Max

From "man uptime"

uptime gives a one line display of the following information.  The cur-
rent time, how long the system has been running,  how  many  users  are
currently  logged  on,  and the system load averages for the past 1, 5,
and 15 minutes.

HTHs! :-)

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Re: [newbie] VMWare

[Lee Wiggers]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:35:02 -0400
Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:37:19 -0400, Lee Wiggers
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I put it in fat32 because of the ntfs write thing.  It's first
> > shot practice anyway.
> 
> If you're using a "virtual disk" setup, that won't matter because
> Linux won't be able to access it anyway. The only way in or out of
> the file system will be networked filesharing (Samba and M$ file
> sharing).
> 
> Miark
> 
> 
I see that now.  Mondays are always smarter than Fridays around
here.  It's been a VMware weekend.

Thanks

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Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

[Heather/Femme]

On 22 Sep 2003 06:41:39 -0400
ed tharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 :)
> > > 
> > LOL nice going Rikona!
> > 
> > hehe sorry but thats hilarious!
> > 
> > FemmesAnAxeMurderer
> > 
> O... No, she doesn't have a very strange sense of humor,,, no,,,
> nothing like that,,,
> 
> But I like it
> 
> ET
> 

*grins* ty.
:)

Least I'm keeping Ed amused.

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Re: [newbie] Damn "newbie" user!

[Julian]

On Monday 22 Sep 2003 5:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Everytime I get one I reply to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" with "Fix your email."
> Doesn't bounce back, but it might go to /dev/null, I suppose.
>

looks like it comes from here:
http://kaluga.mts.ru/mts/ru-full/welcome
Looking at the archive, everything has been tried. I'll ask a russian speaking 
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Re: [newbie] back to gnome

[Angus Auld]

- Original Message -
From: Tapani Mylly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [newbie] back to gnome

> Hi!
> 
> Being a total newbie(just installed my first Linux), I have a silly 
> question. My Linux starts to the shell, I accidentally changed the 
> configurations. How do I start gnome from the shell? I would dearly like 
> to get back to the much more familiar graphical interface.
> 
> Thanks
> Tapani Mylly
>
The file, etc/inittab.look for the line that says: "id:3:initdefault:" and edit 
it to: "id:5:initdefault:"
This has to be done as "root", or "administrative mode".

Might be easier for you to use Mandrake Control Center. Click "MCC", type root 
password, go to "Boot". In the section that is "System mode", put a check in the 
box that says: "Launch the graphical environment when your system starts".

Also, you can install a program called "Xtart", which is on your install cd's. 
In text mode (runlevel 3), just type "Xtart", and you will be given options to 
boot the various graphical environments you have installed.

HTH a little. Best regards to you.welcome to Linux!! Mandrake rocks!
 
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Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 08:57, Chris wrote:
> On Sunday 21 September 2003 11:37 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> 
> >
> > Mate, I was just wee'ing in everyone's weetbix...personally, I think
> > Honda's are great for family usage, Ford's are great for utes, Toyota is
> > great for rover-type utes, Mercedes is great for buses and small trucks,
> > and Holdens are, uh, great for decorating your driveway...or holding up
> > a garage...
> 
> So Stephen, you're telling me that the new GTO which is based on a Holden 
> will not really be worth the $$?  Personally I think its ugly, looks too 
> much like the Grand Am in front, and I know I can't afford one.

Nah - I wouldn't waste the bux. I'm actually looking at getting a
Vauxhall or something pre-1969 / post-1955 for a biz car; seen a few old
Holden utes that are cool - classics - ditto with a few Ferds - and even
an old Dodge ute (nice paintjob) - all for under $10k; if I had the
cashola for a new vehicle - I'd not mind one of the new Honda SUV-type
thingies - or if I was really really selfish, a Honda2000 - but I have
to think practically...

Would be great, through - driving 'round town in an old classic with
adverts painted on it and a wild paint job (not too "punk",
though)...sure beats seeing some of the "competition"...they all seem to
have the same vehicles...

stephen kuhn - owner
==
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Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 03:25, Kaj Haulrich wrote:

> Can't remember exactly, but I do remember reading an article 
> about it. It said that a lot of large corporations like Royal 
> Dutch Shell, Toyota, Unilever and GM uses linux. Especially 
> about GM : their dealers all over the world orders spare parts 
> etc. on a linux network.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Kaj Haulrich.

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Charlie M.]

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September 22, 2003 03:55 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
[...]

> > 
> > But it wasn't done by "Joe Hill" Aron. It was me.  I signed it.
> >
> > I don't know if you're trying to cheer the sentiments apparent in the
> > diatribe I unleashed on Lance or insult B. (aka Haywire Mac) by comparing
> > the two of us.
> >
> > Thanks I think. ;-)
> > 
>
> Trying and evendently suceeding in P.O someone.):-0

You obviously missed the just kidding () statement. Or you didn't and I 
missed something entirely. Whichever, if you think you got me PO'ed you're 
mistaken.

As for anyone else you may have ticked off, you're on your own. :-)

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Re: [newbie] urpmi: removed my install disks as sources

[Chris]

On Monday 22 September 2003 11:33 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I thought about this for a while, judged the risks of misunderstanding
> the function of the "core" group, and then decided to go ahead and add
> that group.  So I did.  In doing so, have I replaced a source for all the
> programs which had been available to me on the installation discs?  If I
> need to readd the discs, what's the actual cli?
>
> Thanks,
> Max

To readd your cd sources do:

Put CD1 in the drive and in root terminal type:
urpmi.addmedia --distrib cdrom removable://mnt/cdrom


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Re: [newbie] Newsgroup binary extractor?

[Chris]

On Monday 22 September 2003 03:57 am, Bela Markus wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a script to extract binaries from USNET newsgroups
> automatically.
>
> Regards... Bela

Use BNR2, downloads and extracts.  Linux as well as win version.
www.bnr2.org

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Re: [newbie] Windows version of Konqueror and Kmail.

[Angus Auld]

- Original Message -
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [newbie] Windows version of Konqueror and Kmail.

> Hi,
> 
> Is there a windows version of Konqueror or Kmail?
> 
> I am dual booting and I want the same browser and mail program on both 
> systems. I can use mozilla that way but the KDE versions are better 
> integrated with KDE on LM9.1. And besides, the Linux version of Mozilla 
> is lagging behind the windows version too.
> 
> Thanx,
> 
> Ayoub890
>***
MS is not too "open" when it comes to open source software. I don't expect to see a 
version of Konq or Kmail for MS, but I could be wrong. ;-)
There is some OSS software for MS though. I use Gaim for MS, and OpenOffice and 
AbiWord.
Opera, while not OSS, is a very nice cross-platform browser, and I find Pegasus (not 
OSS, but free!) to be a very secure mail program for MS (no Linux version though). 
Pegasus is excellent.

Not using IE or Outlook is taking security measures by my reckoning. :-)

Best regards.

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Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!

[Chris]

On Sunday 21 September 2003 11:37 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

>
> Mate, I was just wee'ing in everyone's weetbix...personally, I think
> Honda's are great for family usage, Ford's are great for utes, Toyota is
> great for rover-type utes, Mercedes is great for buses and small trucks,
> and Holdens are, uh, great for decorating your driveway...or holding up
> a garage...

So Stephen, you're telling me that the new GTO which is based on a Holden 
will not really be worth the $$?  Personally I think its ugly, looks too 
much like the Grand Am in front, and I know I can't afford one.

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Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 02:46, Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote:
> On Monday 22 September 2003 00:26, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> 
> Why not Mitsubishi - Pajero?

They're all right for minor trekking in the outback...for at least a day
or two...

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Aron Smith]

On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 10:36, Charlie M. wrote:
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> September 22, 2003 10:04 am, Aron Smith wrote:
> [..]
> > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 09:49, Charlie M. wrote:
> > **
> > Now That was vintage joe hill Rah!
> >
> 
> But it wasn't done by "Joe Hill" Aron. It was me.  I signed it.
> 
> I don't know if you're trying to cheer the sentiments apparent in the diatribe 
> I unleashed on Lance or insult B. (aka Haywire Mac) by comparing the two of 
> us.
> 
> Thanks I think. ;-)
> 
> 
> Charlie
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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Aron Smith]

On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 11:23, HaywireMac wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:09:22 +0100
> Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> 
> > Aron, that was a 245 line email, for that one line.  Could I 
> > respectfully point you at 
> > http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette
> 
> Did you put anything on there about telling someone to "take a flying
>  at a rolling doughnut, you snot-nosed *"?
> 
> I think that should be there... ;-)
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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Aron Smith]

On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 11:09, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Monday 22 Sep 2003 5:04 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
> 
> > Now That was vintage joe hill Rah!
> 
> Aron, that was a 245 line email, for that one line.  Could I 
> respectfully point you at 
> http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette
> 
> Anne
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Re: [newbie] iptraf

[Dennis Myers]

On Sunday 21 September 2003 09:59 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 11:33, Dennis Myers wrote:
> > Where do you go to find out what the "flags" mean, like S and A? I can
> > only guess what their meaning is.
>
> Didn't we just go over the thing about RTFM?
>
> man iptraf:
>
> 
>
> FILES
> /var/log/iptraf/*.log - log file
> /var/local/iptraf/* - important IPTraf data files
>
> SEE ALSO
> Documentation/* - complete documentation written by the author
>
> AUTHOR
>Gerard Paul Java ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
>
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I looked at man iptraf, no explanation of the log flags that I could see. I 
don't find any other docs on it, probably using the wrong search parameters 
again. So that is why I came to the list, thought someone would know where to 
look other than man. 
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Re: [newbie] iptraf

[Dennis Myers]

On Monday 22 September 2003 04:02 pm, Sharrea Day wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I did man iptraf and found no mention of the flags meanings, the ones
> > that show up on the output, not the ones you use to start up a process.
>
> file:///usr/share/doc/iptraf-2.7.0/Documentation/cmdline.html
>
> for full documentation
> file:///usr/share/doc/iptraf-2.7.0/Documentation/manual.html
>
> you may have to change the version from -2.7.0
>
> Sharrea
Thanks, found what I needed know. Once again looking in the wrong place. 
Slocate didn't help, man didn't help, but Sharrea did, not a cli note though, 
Thanks again.
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[newbie] KDE Multilanguage support

[Boulytchev, Vasiliy]

Ladies and Gents,
I would like to be able to use Cyrillic's on KDE 3.0 (md9.0)... Where do I go 
to, to accomplish this?

THANKS!

 
Vasiliy Boulytchev
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RE: [newbie] hdd speed problem

[Boulytchev, Vasiliy]

Ok,
The 10 times Ive played with hdparm, I've messed up the installation.  I will 
never touch hdparm, and will use SCSI forever.  That was my newyears resolution.  I 
know hdparm did help me speed things up, but "playing" with the settings is never a 
good idea :

 
Vasiliy Boulytchev
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http://www.coinfotech.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 7:12 PM
To: Mandrake Newbie
Subject: Re: [newbie] hdd speed problem


On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 17:16, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
> I am having still problem with hdd speed.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] lvgandhi]# hdparm /dev/hda



> I have following lines in dmesg.
> blk: queue c03cb420, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0x)
> ide0: Speed warnings UDMA 3/4/5 is not functional.
> blk: queue c03cb55c, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0x)
> ide0: Speed warnings UDMA 3/4/5 is not functional.
> inserting floppy driver for 2.4.21-0.13mdk
> 
> It is shown as 100ATA in bios while booting. 
> hdparm -X 69 /dev/hda also doesn't help.
> What to do?

And I'm to assume you've tried:

hdparm -X68 -c3 -m16 -d1 -A1 -W1 /dev/hda

??

Also, you can (stress CAN) force params at kernel boot by appending to
your lilo.conf as the following:

append="quiet devfs=mount idebus=66 ide0=ata66 ide1=ata66"

(tailor it to  your system, then re-run lilo)

Try that - and reboot - watch what dmesg says and then try your params
again with hdparm

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Re: [newbie] .rar

[Liechti]

thanks! :) was asingle file, only three files were corrupt... ;) 
 
remo 

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Re: [newbie] iptraf

[Sharrea Day]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I did man iptraf and found no mention of the flags meanings, the ones
> that show up on the output, not the ones you use to start up a process.

file:///usr/share/doc/iptraf-2.7.0/Documentation/cmdline.html

for full documentation 
file:///usr/share/doc/iptraf-2.7.0/Documentation/manual.html

you may have to change the version from -2.7.0 

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Re: [newbie] load average

[Russ Kepler]

On Monday 22 September 2003 10:46 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ricardo's signature wrote this in a message on Saturday morning (00:50:14):
> =-=-=
> Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:45:00 -0300
>  00:45:00 up 2 days, 13:35,  3 users,  load average: 1.86, 1.72, 1.37
> =-=-=
> What is this load average?  I thought that it was a percentage of CPU use,
>  but then he's at 186%, so that's obviously wrong (unless he typed this as
>  a joke . . .).  Also, what are the other 2 values?  They seem related to
>  the first, I'm thinking [avg last minute], [avg last hour]

A load average of 2 means that there are 2 jobs ready to run whenever the CPU 
is ready to run one.  A load average of .5 means that half the time there is 
a job to run.  Nothing wrong with >1, on my system I run setiathome and use 
it to consume my spare cycles, giving me uptimes around 1.25 or so most of 
the time.

The numbers reported by uptime are for 1 minute, 5 minutes and 15 minutes.

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 22 Sep 2003 7:23 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:09:22 +0100
>
> Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > Aron, that was a 245 line email, for that one line.  Could I
> > respectfully point you at
> > http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiqu
> >ette
>
> Did you put anything on there about telling someone to "take a
> flying  at a rolling doughnut, you snot-nosed *"?
>
> I think that should be there... ;-)

Watch it, mate 

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Re: [newbie] formatting a floppy

[Miark]

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:50:41 -0500, s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> well, I don't recall all the technical mumbo jumbo as it was explained 
> by Civileme on this list a couple/few years back, but the upshot was 
> something to the effect that the floppy filesystem format was a dos 
> thing and as such it's difficult for ext2 to conform.  

I think what he said is that since DOS was made for the limited capacity
of a floppy, the filesystem yields more space. Or performance, but I
think it was a space thang.

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Re: [newbie] VMWare

[Miark]

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:37:19 -0400, Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I put it in fat32 because of the ntfs write thing.  It's first shot
> practice anyway.

If you're using a "virtual disk" setup, that won't matter because Linux 
won't be able to access it anyway. The only way in or out of the file
system will be networked filesharing (Samba and M$ file sharing).

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Re: [newbie] USB mass-storage: HELP!

[Eduardo Silva]

On Saturday 20 September 2003 05:49, Iwan Binanto wrote:
> You right, I have a /dev/sda. I was creating an fstab
> entry, and I did a step by step howto mounting a
> mass-storage. But I still cannot download and mounting
> this camera as a mass-storage.
> My machine say (on monitor) that it cannot detecting a
> valid fs (--FAT ??). I tried to use
> vfat,autofs,ntfs,ext3,ext2,and more. And the answer is
> same:cannot detect a valid fs.
> H 
> Make me headache and broken heart.
> *Or maybe "usb-storage module" not yet supporting my
> camera ???

Has this same problem with my camera until I realized that it wasn't /dev/sda. 
When I tried mounting /dev/sda it would give me the same error you got.

Try mounting /dev/sda1. Thiis cleared up everything, mount even detected the 
filesystem type automagically.

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Re: [newbie] Downloading files

[Charlie M.]

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September 22, 2003 12:06 pm, Curt Tresenriter wrote:
[...]

> Thanks for the reply Jim.
> Yes, tried that and it only saved the link as:
> download_component.jhtml;$sessionid$QNUI42FTYJBQPTN241GRCZI
>
> I went back later and tried again for the 4th or 5th time today and the
> dialog box opened and d/l'd the file!?
>
> here's the link:
> http://www.winamp.com/skins/detail.jhtml?componentId=81567&_requestid=69641
>4

I click the download link in Konqueror and I get the "Save As + Open + Cancel" 
box. No worries. In Mozilla-Firebird I get the same behaviour as you; the 
code. Galeon same deal, Mozilla same but if right clicked you can select 
download link target. I haven't been using anything but Firebird and 
Konqueror because I've been to busy to set my preferences in the others.

$ cat /etc/mandrake-release
Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (Cooker) for i586

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Re: [newbie] ATRAC CD Walkman

[Stormjumper]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Richard Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 23:05
Subject: Re: [newbie] ATRAC CD Walkman


> I just wondered whether Sony had come up with some new format that
> enables more data to be written to disc. Like as not ATRAC3plus is
just
> some marketing ploy to sell you mp3 by another name. Who knows.
>
> John

atrac3 is a different format, using a difference compression engine to
mp3.

it claims comparable audio quality to mp3 (128kbps) at atrac3
(64kbps).

atrac3plus is a refined version of atrac3 that claims even better
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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[HaywireMac]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:09:22 +0100
Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Aron, that was a 245 line email, for that one line.  Could I 
> respectfully point you at 
> http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette

Did you put anything on there about telling someone to "take a flying
 at a rolling doughnut, you snot-nosed *"?

I think that should be there... ;-)

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 22 Sep 2003 5:04 pm, Aron Smith wrote:

> Now That was vintage joe hill Rah!

Aron, that was a 245 line email, for that one line.  Could I 
respectfully point you at 
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette

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Re: [newbie] Downloading files

[Curt Tresenriter]

On Monday 22 September 2003 12:56 pm, Stormjumper wrote:

|have you tried right clicking the link and doing a save as?
|or you can tell us the address of the page so that others can try.
|
|regards, Jim

Thanks for the reply Jim.
Yes, tried that and it only saved the link as: 
download_component.jhtml;$sessionid$QNUI42FTYJBQPTN241GRCZI

I went back later and tried again for the 4th or 5th time today and the 
dialog box opened and d/l'd the file!?

here's the link:
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Re: [newbie] Downloading files

[Stormjumper]

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Tresenriter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


On Monday 22 September 2003 08:22 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
|On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 23:10, Curt Tresenriter wrote:
|> I'm trying to get some xmms skins but every time I hit the link to
|> d/l, the browsers download dialog box doesn't open - a new page
does
|> and it begins filling with code.
|> What needs configuring to get the file downloaded?
|> TIA
|> Curt
|
|Have you tried the same page in a different browser?
|Have you set up the mime types?

>Yes, Opera and Konq give the same results.
>I was unable to repair another problem by upgrading as Harm suggested
so
>I formatted and reinstalled the / partition - the above behavior is
the
>only difference I can see since the re-install.
>Ummm... mime types no... don't understand them at all.
>Hadn't done that before but Opera has always opened a d/l dialog box
>until now.
>That would be explained within Opera/Konq docs?

have you tried right clicking the link and doing a save as?
or you can tell us the address of the page so that others can try.

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

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> Now That was vintage joe hill Rah!
>

But it wasn't done by "Joe Hill" Aron. It was me.  I signed it.

I don't know if you're trying to cheer the sentiments apparent in the diatribe 
I unleashed on Lance or insult B. (aka Haywire Mac) by comparing the two of 
us.

Thanks I think. ;-)


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Re: [newbie] VMWare on 1.1g

[Lee Wiggers]

Thank you all

That was my first thought.

If all else fails, throw money at it.

Next weekend.

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[HaywireMac]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:04:26 -0700
Aron Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Now That was vintage joe hill Rah!

Glad to see I'm so revered... :-\

I have to say, there've been some tense moments on the list lately,
culminating in my, er, well, whatchamacallit.

Is it this Mercury in retrograde thing? ;-)

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Aron Smith]

On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 09:49, Charlie M. wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> September 22, 2003 07:28 am, Lance Cummings wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Hi Derek,
> >
> > Hope the reply-to is set correctly now.  Let me know.
> 
> It is.
> 
> > Overnight I have Windows running a lot of jobs, so I guess it will do
> > it whenever I log into Linux.  Glad to hear about this, however.
> > Having a /var volume doesn't hurt anything however, right?
> 
> I always have a separate /var, /usr, a few others that are "non standard." 
> I've never seen any harm.
> 
> > DJ> SNIP
> >
> > >> So the big next question is where the heck do I get at this
> > >> vertical refresh setting?
> 
> I have adjusted the settings in the M.C.C. for TFT monitors before. I don't 
> recall how since I don't need the information unless the situation comes up 
> for someone I'm helping make the switch. 
> 
> Look for it. If you like hire someone that knows what they're doing. If you 
> don't like that option, approach the maker of the hardware in question and 
> ask them for drivers for the equipment. Good luck with that BTW.
> 
> You have the problem, the people on the list don't, and your aggressive "This 
> was solved long ago in Windows" and "Linux is not mature enough to" blah blah 
> blah is not going to win you any friends.
> 
> > I have run that several times, but I see no setting for refresh rate,
> > only for color depth and screen res.
> 
> Look at the damned thing. There are expert buttons and advanced buttons 
> everywhere. Find one that leads where you need to be and adjust your 
> settings, or are you waiting for a "point and click" Windows style set-up. If 
> you want something non-standard you'll have to manually edit the 
> configuration. What you want is in the hardware section, under adjust your 
> screen resolution, forget plug'n'pray and Windows point and click "solutions" 
> and look for a line that says "custom." But you'd better really know as much 
> as you think you do because as you've already been warned you can fry some 
> fairly pricey equipment this way.
> 
> > I have a Viewsonic PF790, perfectly detected, and in the file you
> > referenced.
> 
> > DJ> Check your monitor handbook and put the appropriate values in
> > DJ> there. *DO NOT* put in values too high or you could damage your
> > DJ> monitor.
> >
> > I well understand the danger of values too high, thanks.  The
> > settings are auto detected apparently, and they are correct. However,
> > there is nothing in this file that allows me to set the refresh rate
> > that I can see.
> >
> I already mentioned the custom settings above. If you want to fiddle with 
> something set by default because the Mandrake Linux development team used; 
> and the XF86 development team built, the drivers based on information either 
> provided by the manufacturer (not nearly often enough) or through reverse 
> engineering what was on the market, then knock yourself out. Just don't try 
> to blame the developers or the community for your own stupidity, or that of 
> the hardware manufacturers.
> 
> 
> 
> In many ways you come across as a fairly intelligent and reasonable 
> individual. However you spoil that impression when you blame a distribution 
> or an entire community for something that can be laid at the feet of;
> 
> Manufacturer apathy. If they don't provide information when requested it's 
> very difficult to develop drivers for their products. Most don't take the 
> community (Open Source) seriously enough to care, and that leads to the 
> second identified problem;
> 
> Consumer apathy. If the consumer wants the latest and greatest gee-whizz video 
> cards, sound cards, DVD drives with bells and whistles; and they obviously 
> do; and if the products developed and sold to meet this demand are not known 
> to developers in the Open Source Community because manufacturers are so awash 
> in lawyers "protecting intellectual property rights and patented 
> architecture" that they won't release enough information for even an educated 
> guess; and they are, then how the hell do you expect your latest toy to work 
> "out of the box?" 
> 
> Guess who gets all the details and the great drivers because they tied those 
> selfsame manufacturers to themselves and their illegal monopoly long ago.
> 
> Besides it's all proprietary isn't it.
> 
> 
> > Hmmm.  This seems to contradict what you said up above, which I
> > reproduce again below:
> >
> > DJ> Unfortunately the scan rate cannot be easily selected like it is
> > DJ> in Windows. It can be set but you have to do a bit of working
> > DJ> out.
> >
> > Either I can set it precisely, or I can't.  But I don't see anything
> > that allows me to control it, nor do I see any way to verify what the
> > actual refresh rate is that the system has decided is optimal for my
> > eyes.  
> 
> See above and use your native intelligence or go back to Windows and stay 
> there. Don't get pissed that something distinctly non-

Re: [newbie] VMWare on 1.1g

[mike]

Lee Wiggers wrote:

My first VMWare experiment was a flop.  Install was on a 1.1 Gig
Athlon box w/128meg sdram.
Result was very slooow win2k on a slow mdk 9.1.

I need kde or there's no point trying to migrate.

I panicked and reinstalled win2k.

So, any input would be appreciated.  More memory?  Faster cpu? All
of the above? Any other suggestions.
My laptop is running fine with the same software configuration but
2.0 Gig w/256meg ddr.  I love it.  It's like having Bill Gates in a
Linux cage.
Any thoughts on one superbox, thin client office cheapies, and
VMWare?  Or other suggestions?
Lee

 

I have run VMware on a 1 gig athlon box and it has to have much more 
memory than you are running.
768 if you can or at least 512. When I ran it I tried both memory 
amounts and liked the 768 much better,
but the 512 configuratiuon  worked  O.K. just a little slow. 

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Re: [newbie] Damn "newbie" user!

[Max . Benitz]

Everytime I get one I reply to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" with "Fix your email."
Doesn't bounce back, but it might go to /dev/null, I suppose.

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Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
@english-quest.com.br on 09/20/2003 01:06:44 AM

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Sent by:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:[newbie] Damn "newbie" user!


What's up?

Whenever I send an email to Mandrake newbie list I get this:


Short Message delivery report

From: Sms Message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Today 00:52:17
There is no such user (newbie).
===


Can anyone help me outa this?

Ricardo Castanho


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[newbie] load average

[Max . Benitz]

Ricardo's signature wrote this in a message on Saturday morning (00:50:14):
=-=-=
Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:45:00 -0300
 00:45:00 up 2 days, 13:35,  3 users,  load average: 1.86, 1.72, 1.37
=-=-=
What is this load average?  I thought that it was a percentage of CPU use,
 but then he's at 186%, so that's obviously wrong (unless he typed this as
 a joke . . .).  Also, what are the other 2 values?  They seem related to
 the first, I'm thinking [avg last minute], [avg last hour]

Curiously,
Max




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Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!

[Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas]

On Monday 22 September 2003 00:26, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

Why not Mitsubishi - Pajero?


> Ok - so to put the entire fiasco of "Ford vs Chevy" to rest, I have only
> one word to say/type:
>
> HONDA
>
> stephen kuhn - owner
> ==
> illawarra computer services
> a kuhn media australia company
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RE: [newbie] VMWare on 1.1g

[Tony S. Sykes]

Yeah, you need more memory for this.

Tony.

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] VMWare on 1.1g


My first VMWare experiment was a flop.  Install was on a 1.1 Gig
Athlon box w/128meg sdram.

Result was very slooow win2k on a slow mdk 9.1.

I need kde or there's no point trying to migrate.

I panicked and reinstalled win2k.

So, any input would be appreciated.  More memory?  Faster cpu? All
of the above? Any other suggestions.

My laptop is running fine with the same software configuration but
2.0 Gig w/256meg ddr.  I love it.  It's like having Bill Gates in a
Linux cage.

Any thoughts on one superbox, thin client office cheapies, and
VMWare?  Or other suggestions?

Lee
  

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Derek Jennings]

On Monday 22 Sep 2003 2:28 pm, Lance Cummings wrote:
SNIP
>
> I do know this: What I'm getting right now at 1024x768 @ 24 bits in
> Linux is eating my eyes up, and there is absolutely no earthly reason
> for that to be happening.
>
> The monitor and card can do 100 Hz @ 32 bits @ 1024x768. This would
> be the preferred setting, although I'm sure as I said I can live with
> 24 bit depth. But I am going to get this refresh rate, and know I'm
> getting it, or I'm going to run away from Linux -- or at least
> Mandrake Linux.
>
> 
>
> No guessing, no "system knows best"; this is for me to decide, and
> there should be a fairly easy way to set it, although I'll accept an
> arcane file edit.  But it *will* be set to *my* specifications, or
> Mandrake Linux is rather a joke AFAIC.  I strongly suspect that this
> is going to grate on some nerves here, and I'm sorry about that.  But
> it's impossible to deny the fact that something very key is missing
> here. For me, this one is game, set, and match: Redmond wins.  I'm
> probably not any happier about typing it than you folks here are
> about reading it.  But it's a glaring, stupid, startling omission,
> one that has been solved in Windows a long long time ago.
>
> 
>
> DJ> If you want to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 it has to be done as root.
> Easy way DJ> to do that is
> DJ> Menu>Applications>FileTools>FileManager(SuperUserMode)
> DJ> right click on the file and select Openwith>Kedit
>
> I really appreciate your help on this.  But I don't want to do any
> editing that isn't going to result in 100 Hz refresh.  I'm very sure
> I'm getting 72 as the default, maybe 76, but neither of these
> settings are tolerable for me -- 85, also a valid setting at that
> resolution and color depth, is the minimum I'll use.  I paid a little
> extra money for the monitor and card specifically so I would not have
> to worry about this aspect of computing, and I'm not going to put up
> with sub par video performance by running an OS that isn't developed
> enough to let me control this setting precisely. (Sorry again, but a
> fact is a fact, and this is apparently a fact.)
>
> If you or someone else knows how to accomplish what I want, I'd
> really like to hear about it. But as I said in the other note, this
> is a show-stopper issue.  I control the refresh rate on my monitor --
> within spec.  Not Linus Torvolds, not Mandrake, not anyone else.  Or
> I simply go right back to Windows, which gives me that authority.  I
> find it hard to believe Linux users can't precisely set their own
> refresh rates, or apparently even know what they are.  Isn't this
> kind of embarrassing to the community?  Our eyes are the basic
> interface with the box.  I will not use an OS that hasn't figured
> that much out.
>
> Lance

Hey calm down Lance. I was not saying you cannot control refresh rate in 
Linux. Merely that it is not as simple as just selecting a drop down box like 
in Windows. To get 32bit 1024x 768 resolution all you need do is add the 
lines


Subsection "Display"
Depth 32
Modes  "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"

to the 'Screen' section of the config file.  Set the default color depth to 32 
and you will get it by default.

Now as for explicitly setting refresh rates. That can be done as well using 
'ModeLines'  in the monitor section. There are a couple of examples in the 
file.
Now I have never needed to configure a modeline before. I understand it can be 
confusing. There is a guide which may help you here
http://www.knowplace.org/timings.html

Normally people criticise Linux because there is *too much* choice.

derek

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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.1 : pas de son avec carte audio Intel AC'97

[Lanman]

Yes, You're right. The 800 is supposed to work with linux. I can only
suggest that 
you check your BIOS to make sure that you've enabled your USB ports,
and to 
try again.

Anyone else have any ideas?

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Re: [newbie] VMWare on 1.1g

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 22 Sep 2003 3:05 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote:
> My first VMWare experiment was a flop.  Install was on a 1.1 Gig
> Athlon box w/128meg sdram.
>
> Result was very slooow win2k on a slow mdk 9.1.
>
> I need kde or there's no point trying to migrate.
>
> I panicked and reinstalled win2k.
>
> So, any input would be appreciated.  More memory?  Faster cpu? All
> of the above? Any other suggestions.
>
More memory, I guess.  I don't run vmware, but win4lin runs win98 for 
me as fast as it ever ran natively (and it's stable!).  This on an 
Athlon 900 with 512MB RAM

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Re: [newbie] ATRAC CD Walkman

[John Richard Smith]

David E. Fox wrote:

It plays mp3 from an inbuilt mp3 player, but does it play mp3 from burnt 
to CD ?
Just curious.
   

Just fine. I've burnt a couple MP3 CDs to cd-r & cd-rw and the player
handles them fine. ONe thing I noticed is that I have one recently 
burned CD (used gcombust on a number of radio mystery theater mp3s
that had been cluttering up my hard drive) and the Sony portable 
plays the mp3s in a different order than my koss dvd/cd/mp3 component
player does.

That's curious, I wonder why ?
Still it plays mp3 from CD fine, good.
 

Note the claim to write as many as 30 albums to one CD using supplied 
software on a 700 MB disc.
   

Why you'd need the supplied software is anyone's guess. Maybe they're
selling to OS users that have no software? :)
 

I just wondered whether Sony had come up with some new format that 
enables more data to be written to disc. Like as not ATRAC3plus is just 
some marketing ploy to sell you mp3 by another name. Who knows.

John

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[newbie] VMWare on 1.1g

[Lee Wiggers]

My first VMWare experiment was a flop.  Install was on a 1.1 Gig
Athlon box w/128meg sdram.

Result was very slooow win2k on a slow mdk 9.1.

I need kde or there's no point trying to migrate.

I panicked and reinstalled win2k.

So, any input would be appreciated.  More memory?  Faster cpu? All
of the above? Any other suggestions.

My laptop is running fine with the same software configuration but
2.0 Gig w/256meg ddr.  I love it.  It's like having Bill Gates in a
Linux cage.

Any thoughts on one superbox, thin client office cheapies, and
VMWare?  Or other suggestions?

Lee


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Re: [newbie] Downloading files

[Curt Tresenriter]

On Monday 22 September 2003 08:47 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 09:10, Curt Tresenriter wrote:
|> I'm trying to get some xmms skins but every time I hit the link to
|> d/l, the browsers download dialog box doesn't open - a new page does
|> and it begins filling with code.
|> What needs configuring to get the file downloaded?
|> TIA
|> Curt
|
|Try holding the shift key down when you hit the link.
|
|Rich

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Re: [newbie] Downloading files

[rluchor]

On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 09:10, Curt Tresenriter wrote:

I'm trying to get some xmms skins but every time I hit the link to d/l, 
the browsers download dialog box doesn't open - a new page does and it 
begins filling with code.
What needs configuring to get the file downloaded?
TIA
Curt


Try holding the shift key down when you hit the link.

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Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Sunday 21 September 2003 10:57 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 11:31, Greg wrote:
> > Dont even get me started
> > Greg
>
> Well, if you were a Ford, that would be hard.
>
> stephen kuhn - owner

Ford = "Fscked Over Rebuilt Dodge"

or = "Fix Own Repairs Daily"

or = "Found On Road Dead"

with full apologies to current Ford owners here.  :-)

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[newbie] back to gnome

[Tapani Mylly]

Hi!

Being a total newbie(just installed my first Linux), I have a silly 
question. My Linux starts to the shell, I accidentally changed the 
configurations. How do I start gnome from the shell? I would dearly like 
to get back to the much more familiar graphical interface.

Thanks
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Re: [newbie] Downloading files

[Curt Tresenriter]

On Monday 22 September 2003 08:22 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
|On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 23:10, Curt Tresenriter wrote:
|> I'm trying to get some xmms skins but every time I hit the link to
|> d/l, the browsers download dialog box doesn't open - a new page does
|> and it begins filling with code.
|> What needs configuring to get the file downloaded?
|> TIA
|> Curt
|
|Have you tried the same page in a different browser?
|Have you set up the mime types?

Yes, Opera and Konq give the same results.
I was unable to repair another problem by upgrading as Harm suggested so 
I formatted and reinstalled the / partition - the above behavior is the 
only difference I can see since the re-install.
Ummm... mime types no... don't understand them at all. 
Hadn't done that before but Opera has always opened a d/l dialog box 
until now.
That would be explained within Opera/Konq docs?
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Re: [newbie] ATRAC CD Walkman

[David E. Fox]

> It plays mp3 from an inbuilt mp3 player, but does it play mp3 from burnt 
> to CD ?
> Just curious.

Just fine. I've burnt a couple MP3 CDs to cd-r & cd-rw and the player
handles them fine. ONe thing I noticed is that I have one recently 
burned CD (used gcombust on a number of radio mystery theater mp3s
that had been cluttering up my hard drive) and the Sony portable 
plays the mp3s in a different order than my koss dvd/cd/mp3 component
player does.

> 
> Note the claim to write as many as 30 albums to one CD using supplied 
> software on a 700 MB disc.

Why you'd need the supplied software is anyone's guess. Maybe they're
selling to OS users that have no software? :)

> John

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Re: [newbie] First Steps & Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)

[Lance Cummings]

Hi Derek,

Hope the reply-to is set correctly now.  Let me know.

Monday, September 22, 2003, 5:22:59 PM, you wrote:

DJ> Mandrake will run a nightly job to compress and rotate your log
DJ> files, so overflowing the logs will not happen. It also does a
DJ> lot of other housekeeping at the same time. However the job runs
DJ> at 4am and if your computer is switched off it will not do its
DJ> nightly housekeeping. If you install the anacron package, any
DJ> missed job will run when you turn your PC on in the morning.

Overnight I have Windows running a lot of jobs, so I guess it will do
it whenever I log into Linux.  Glad to hear about this, however.
Having a /var volume doesn't hurt anything however, right?

DJ> SNIP
>>
>> So the big next question is where the heck do I get at this
>> vertical refresh setting?

DJ> Unfortunately the scan rate cannot be easily selected like it is
DJ> in Windows. It can be set but you have to do a bit of working
DJ> out. The easiest way to set it is probably to run the Monitor set
DJ> up utility again in Mandrake Control

I have run that several times, but I see no setting for refresh rate,
only for color depth and screen res.

DJ> it will have selected a generic monitor with quite conservative settings.

I have a Viewsonic PF790, perfectly detected, and in the file you
referenced.

DJ> Check your monitor handbook and put the appropriate values in
DJ> there. *DO NOT* put in values too high or you could damage your
DJ> monitor.

I well understand the danger of values too high, thanks.  The
settings are auto detected apparently, and they are correct. However,
there is nothing in this file that allows me to set the refresh rate
that I can see.

---8<---

Your next lines below set off very loud alarm bells for me.

DJ> Note nowhere does it say scan rate. The system calculates scan
DJ> rate from the Horiz and Vert rates, and from the resolution and
DJ> colour depth.

Hmmm.  This seems to contradict what you said up above, which I
reproduce again below:

DJ> Unfortunately the scan rate cannot be easily selected like it is
DJ> in Windows. It can be set but you have to do a bit of working
DJ> out. 

Either I can set it precisely, or I can't.  But I don't see anything
that allows me to control it, nor do I see any way to verify what the
actual refresh rate is that the system has decided is optimal for my
eyes.  

I do know this: What I'm getting right now at 1024x768 @ 24 bits in
Linux is eating my eyes up, and there is absolutely no earthly reason
for that to be happening.

The monitor and card can do 100 Hz @ 32 bits @ 1024x768. This would
be the preferred setting, although I'm sure as I said I can live with
24 bit depth. But I am going to get this refresh rate, and know I'm
getting it, or I'm going to run away from Linux -- or at least
Mandrake Linux.



No guessing, no "system knows best"; this is for me to decide, and
there should be a fairly easy way to set it, although I'll accept an
arcane file edit.  But it *will* be set to *my* specifications, or
Mandrake Linux is rather a joke AFAIC.  I strongly suspect that this
is going to grate on some nerves here, and I'm sorry about that.  But
it's impossible to deny the fact that something very key is missing
here. For me, this one is game, set, and match: Redmond wins.  I'm
probably not any happier about typing it than you folks here are
about reading it.  But it's a glaring, stupid, startling omission,
one that has been solved in Windows a long long time ago.



DJ> If you want to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 it has to be done as root. Easy way
DJ> to do that is
DJ> Menu>Applications>FileTools>FileManager(SuperUserMode)
DJ> right click on the file and select Openwith>Kedit

I really appreciate your help on this.  But I don't want to do any
editing that isn't going to result in 100 Hz refresh.  I'm very sure
I'm getting 72 as the default, maybe 76, but neither of these
settings are tolerable for me -- 85, also a valid setting at that
resolution and color depth, is the minimum I'll use.  I paid a little
extra money for the monitor and card specifically so I would not have
to worry about this aspect of computing, and I'm not going to put up
with sub par video performance by running an OS that isn't developed
enough to let me control this setting precisely. (Sorry again, but a
fact is a fact, and this is apparently a fact.)

If you or someone else knows how to accomplish what I want, I'd
really like to hear about it. But as I said in the other note, this
is a show-stopper issue.  I control the refresh rate on my monitor --
within spec.  Not Linus Torvolds, not Mandrake, not anyone else.  Or
I simply go right back to Windows, which gives me that authority.  I
find it hard to believe Linux users can't precisely set their own
refresh rates, or apparently even know what they are.  Isn't this
kind of embarrassing to the community?  Our eyes are the basic
interface with the box.  I will not use an OS that hasn't figured
that much out.

Lance


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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.1 : pas de son avec carte audio Intel AC'97

[Maël free]

Sorry ;-)
No i've a sagem fast 800 and i can't change, but it's not a problem with 
the model but with my system, with gcc i suppose ... i've just installed 
mdk 91 this WE on my new computer, and it worked correctly on my old 
computer with mdk 90 ... is there something to do with gcc to build 
correctly my driver ?
Mael

Lanman wrote:

Mael! You sneaky Bu**er! That French thing is tough! Grin! Grin! My
mouth still hurts from trying
to read your email! Ouch!
I had a look at Sagem's driver page and they don't seem to have any
Linux drivers for the 1000 model, only for the 800/400 model. This is
probably the problem that
you are having. If possible, I suggest an external modem equipped
with an RJ45 connector
(Standard Network Interface) instead of USB.
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On 9/22/2003 at 2:21 PM Maël free wrote:

 

Hi,
Thanx for trying to speak french, a good french !
I'm a beginner on this mailing list and I thought write on an french
   

list
 

...
My modem is an extern modem USB, look at this link please :
http://www.sagem.com/web-modems/download/support-fast1000-fr.htm
i've downloaded the driver and when i want to install it, i've many
   

errors
 

at compilation (./Install.sh linux-...)
Do you think the package for pppoe can work correctly ? because in
   

france
 

it's pppoa (at the bottom of the web page ...)

For my sound card, i think it will never work .. :-( i've to buy
   

another
 

one ...
Mael


Mael; Avant que on peut t'aider, on a besoin de savoir le modele de
ton carte de son que vous avez dans ton systeme.
La Prochaine chose, c'est que on a aussi besoin de savoir le mode
avec qui, tu essai de connecter ton modem
a l'Internet. Est-ce que ton modem est un modem d'exterieur? Ou
l'interieur? Si c'est exterieur, vous avez pas de
raison de compiler une nouveau pilote. Vous avez juste besoin de
installer le package qui s'appelle "pppoe", et
la faire configurer.
Repndez S'il Vous Plait!

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Re: [newbie] Downloading files

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 23:10, Curt Tresenriter wrote:
> I'm trying to get some xmms skins but every time I hit the link to d/l, 
> the browsers download dialog box doesn't open - a new page does and it 
> begins filling with code.
> What needs configuring to get the file downloaded?
> TIA
> Curt

Have you tried the same page in a different browser?
Have you set up the mime types?

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[newbie] Downloading files

[Curt Tresenriter]

I'm trying to get some xmms skins but every time I hit the link to d/l, 
the browsers download dialog box doesn't open - a new page does and it 
begins filling with code.
What needs configuring to get the file downloaded?
TIA
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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.1 : pas de son avec carte audio Intel AC'97

[Derek Jennings]

On Monday 22 Sep 2003 1:21 pm, Maël free wrote:
> Hi,
> Thanx for trying to speak french, a good french !
> I'm a beginner on this mailing list and I thought write on an french list
> ... My modem is an extern modem USB, look at this link please :
> http://www.sagem.com/web-modems/download/support-fast1000-fr.htm
> i've downloaded the driver and when i want to install it, i've many errors
> at compilation (./Install.sh linux-...) Do you think the package for pppoe
> can work correctly ? because in france it's pppoa (at the bottom of the web
> page ...)
>
> For my sound card, i think it will never work .. :-( i've to buy another
> one ... Mael
>
>
>
> Mael; Avant que on peut t'aider, on a besoin de savoir le modele de
> ton carte de son que vous avez dans ton systeme.
>
> La Prochaine chose, c'est que on a aussi besoin de savoir le mode
> avec qui, tu essai de connecter ton modem
> a l'Internet. Est-ce que ton modem est un modem d'exterieur? Ou
> l'interieur? Si c'est exterieur, vous avez pas de
> raison de compiler une nouveau pilote. Vous avez juste besoin de
> installer le package qui s'appelle "pppoe", et
> la faire configurer.
>
> Repndez S'il Vous Plait!
>
> Lanman
>
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Mandrake will do pppoa no problem.
I do not have experience with that sagem modem, but a number of people in 
MandrakeClub have. Try this
http://www.mandrakeclub.com/search.php?search_text=SAGEM

HTH
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RE: [newbie] iptraf

[Dennis . R . Myers]

Title: RE: [newbie] iptraf





I did man iptraf and found no mention of the flags meanings, the ones that show up on the output, not the ones you use to start up a process.

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [newbie] iptraf



On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 11:33, Dennis Myers wrote:


> Where do you go to find out what the "flags" mean, like S and A? I can only 
> guess what their meaning is. 


Didn't we just go over the thing about RTFM?


man iptraf:





FILES
    /var/log/iptraf/*.log - log file
    /var/local/iptraf/* - important IPTraf data files
 
SEE ALSO
    Documentation/* - complete documentation written by the author
 
AUTHOR
   Gerard Paul Java ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 


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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.1 : pas de son avec carte audio Intel AC'97

[Lanman]

Mael! You sneaky Bu**er! That French thing is tough! Grin! Grin! My
mouth still hurts from trying
to read your email! Ouch!

I had a look at Sagem's driver page and they don't seem to have any
Linux drivers for the 1000 model, only for the 800/400 model. This is
probably the problem that
you are having. If possible, I suggest an external modem equipped
with an RJ45 connector
(Standard Network Interface) instead of USB.

Lanman

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On 9/22/2003 at 2:21 PM Maël free wrote:

>Hi,
>Thanx for trying to speak french, a good french !
>I'm a beginner on this mailing list and I thought write on an french
list
>...
>My modem is an extern modem USB, look at this link please :
>http://www.sagem.com/web-modems/download/support-fast1000-fr.htm
>i've downloaded the driver and when i want to install it, i've many
errors
>at compilation (./Install.sh linux-...)
>Do you think the package for pppoe can work correctly ? because in
france
>it's pppoa (at the bottom of the web page ...)
>
>For my sound card, i think it will never work .. :-( i've to buy
another
>one ...
>Mael
>
>
>
>Mael; Avant que on peut t'aider, on a besoin de savoir le modele de
>ton carte de son que vous avez dans ton systeme.
>
>La Prochaine chose, c'est que on a aussi besoin de savoir le mode
>avec qui, tu essai de connecter ton modem
>a l'Internet. Est-ce que ton modem est un modem d'exterieur? Ou
>l'interieur? Si c'est exterieur, vous avez pas de
>raison de compiler une nouveau pilote. Vous avez juste besoin de
>installer le package qui s'appelle "pppoe", et
>la faire configurer.
>
>Repndez S'il Vous Plait!
>
>Lanman
>
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>
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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.1 : pas de son avec carte audio Intel AC'97

[Maël free]

Hi,
Thanx for trying to speak french, a good french !
I'm a beginner on this mailing list and I thought write on an french list ...
My modem is an extern modem USB, look at this link please :
http://www.sagem.com/web-modems/download/support-fast1000-fr.htm
i've downloaded the driver and when i want to install it, i've many errors at 
compilation (./Install.sh linux-...)
Do you think the package for pppoe can work correctly ? because in france it's pppoa 
(at the bottom of the web page ...)
For my sound card, i think it will never work .. :-( i've to buy another one ...
Mael


Mael; Avant que on peut t'aider, on a besoin de savoir le modele de
ton carte de son que vous avez dans ton systeme.
La Prochaine chose, c'est que on a aussi besoin de savoir le mode
avec qui, tu essai de connecter ton modem
a l'Internet. Est-ce que ton modem est un modem d'exterieur? Ou
l'interieur? Si c'est exterieur, vous avez pas de
raison de compiler une nouveau pilote. Vous avez juste besoin de
installer le package qui s'appelle "pppoe", et
la faire configurer.
Repndez S'il Vous Plait!

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Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Monday 22 September 2003 04:28 am, Frankie wrote:


>
> U don't hear about GM changing to linux do you???
>


Yes, I did. Actually GM uses Linux all over.

Regards

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Re: [newbie] Newsgroup binary extractor?

[David E. Fox]

> I'm looking for a script to extract binaries from USNET newsgroups 
> automatically.

Try a different newsreader? I've been using pan for a while now and
it does a very good job at automatically tagging all the pieces of a 
binary posting, even yenc (many are now using that) and putting the file
all together at your end.

pan should be on your distro disks. If not, it's in contrib. It was 
easy to find and install.

> 
> Regards... Bela
 

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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.1 : pas de son avec carte audio Intel AC'97

[Lanman]

Mael; Avant que on peut t'aider, on a besoin de savoir le modele de
ton carte de son que vous avez dans ton systeme.

La Prochaine chose, c'est que on a aussi besoin de savoir le mode
avec qui, tu essai de connecter ton modem
a l'Internet. Est-ce que ton modem est un modem d'exterieur? Ou
l'interieur? Si c'est exterieur, vous avez pas de
raison de compiler une nouveau pilote. Vous avez juste besoin de
installer le package qui s'appelle "pppoe", et
la faire configurer.

Repndez S'il Vous Plait!

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On 9/22/2003 at 12:13 PM Maël free wrote:

>Bonjour,
>Je viens d'installer la MDK 9.1 en dual boot et je n'ai pas du tout
de
>son alors que sous windows j'en ai, ma carte est-elle compatible ?
(sur
>le site elle n'est pas référencée mais je crois ne pas etre le
1er à
>rencontrer ce pb sous cette config ...) et si oui que dois je
configurer ?
>Je ne parviens pas non plus à compiler mon driver pour mon modem
adsl
>(sagem 800), j'ai une tonne d'erreurs à la compil ... :-(
>mon gcc à l'air installé correctement, je n'y ai pas touché
depuis
>l'install mdk, y a t'il qq chose à faire ?
>Merci d'avance pr vos réponses ...
>
>
>
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Re: [newbie] Newsgroup binary extractor?

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 20:42, Bela Markus wrote:
> Dear Stephen,
> 
> thanks a lot for your advice, I will check it.
> 
> What would happen with the community without your prompt help? We would 
> die.
> 
> Bila

Damn. I feel better than James Brown.

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RE: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 18:55, Frankie wrote:

> Steve, have you seen the new Falcon BA GT??

Yep. Made me wanna buy a CRX again.

> 290 kilowatts (more then 388 HP) off the showroom floor..
> Now thats a car... and it looks really hot too..

Eats more petrol going from the showroom to the street than my Honda
would suck in a week. Honda. Good car.

> Beats the hell out of a Honda that looks like every other Jap car ever
> built..

Hmmm...my last CRXsi and Del Sol seem to have been the harbinger of a
lot of the "new" looks in the cars on the roads today...strange that.

> Besides, about 15 years ago, I had an idea for variable valve timing and
> Honda came up with something similiar a few years later can called it
> VTEC.. so I don't like them anymore. :-)

VTEC 1600 - 5 speed manual. Sweet as...

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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.1 : pas de son avec carte audio Intel AC'97

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 20:13, Maël free wrote:
> Bonjour,
> Je viens d'installer la MDK 9.1 en dual boot et je n'ai pas du tout de 
> son alors que sous windows j'en ai, ma carte est-elle compatible ? (sur 
> le site elle n'est pas rifirencie mais je crois ne pas etre le 1er ` 
> rencontrer ce pb sous cette config ...) et si oui que dois je configurer ?
> Je ne parviens pas non plus ` compiler mon driver pour mon modem adsl 
> (sagem 800), j'ai une tonne d'erreurs ` la compil ... :-(
> mon gcc ` l'air installi correctement, je n'y ai pas touchi depuis 
> l'install mdk, y a t'il qq chose ` faire ?
> Merci d'avance pr vos riponses ...

I originally had heaps of problems getting the AC97 sound and modem
working - enough so that I ended up buying a SoundBlaster Live! instead
- found that it just would never work correctly nor would the modem - so
with the SB Live! and an HSF win modem, I'm doing much better...

The AC97 is a bitch and a half - you might consider just not mucking
around with it at all - then again, someone else might have gotten it
working without a hitch, but I gave up - and I generally don't give up
on anything that quickly.

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Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

[ed tharp]

On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 02:31, Charlie M. wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> September 21, 2003 11:57 pm, rikona wrote:
> > Hello yankl,
> >
> > y> hence the end of my e-mail "man -k". Have any one done their home
> > y> work?
> >
> > Yes, but it was not very helpful, as I mentioned.
> >
> > y> By typing  "#man -k lilo" one can see what command it relates too.
> >
> > Aha - now we can actually see the un-natural language needed to get
> > the answer. The page number is 'lilo', and we still have to keep the
> > -k. :-)
> >
> > y> Unless we like to have   m$users we need to start using all tools
> > y> provided by OS.
> 
> That elitist snob attitude has actually caused more people to shy away from 
> GNU/Linux than any real or perceived difficulty in running a distribution. 
> These "MS users" that are so denigrated by so many have at least one 
> redeeming quality; they have money to spend on distributions. They're usually 
> willing to pay for what they *perceive* as a quality product.

I FULLY agree with that last paragraph, and would add, it is one of the
2 most outstanding qualities of Mandrake linux, the embracing of (soon
to be former) desktop M$users (who are looking for a better way), and
the adhering to the GNU/GPL, (imho).  






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Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

[Lee Wiggers]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:31:31 +0100
Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 9:03 pm, rikona wrote:
> >
> > Yep - another part of the problem. M$ help suffers from the same
> > problem, although their overall integration of help is a step in
> > the right direction. Newbies can describe the question in
> > 'natural language', which is unfortunately not the language used
> > in the OS data base. The first OS that uses a thesaurus well
> > will really be a winner. I'm hoping that will be Mandrake. How
> > can we do that?
> 
> Don't want to rain on your parade, rikona, but 'natural language' 
> searches never seemed to give me answers either.  Back again, I 
> think, to the fact that no search can give an answer that isn't in
> 
> the docs, and the docs are written by those who didn't need to ask
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
Personnaly, I've had better luck with google than man, but there's
something else that needs honorable mention in this thread.  Maybe a
couple something elses.

1.  My linux skills are improving because very often I'll read
something here that strikes my fancy, try it, google it, and maybe
after the experience, throw it away, just a little smarter.  It must
be a character flaw.  I've been married 5 times.

2.  The teacher learns just as much as the student.  How many times
have you looked something up to be sure not to commit that gaffe?

3.  Obviously we can afford the bandwidth.  What's a Holden, anyway?


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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

[ed tharp]

On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 03:47, Aron Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 22:57, rikona wrote:
> > Hello yankl,
> > 
> > Sunday, September 21, 2003, 5:36:27 PM, you wrote:
> > 
> > y> hence the end of my e-mail "man -k". Have any one done their home
> > y> work?
> > 
> > Yes, but it was not very helpful, as I mentioned.
> > 
> > y> By typing  "#man -k lilo" one can see what command it relates too.
> > 
> > Aha - now we can actually see the un-natural language needed to get
> > the answer. The page number is 'lilo', and we still have to keep the
> > -k. :-)
> > 
> > y> Unless we like to have   m$users we need to start using all tools
> > y> provided by OS.
> > 
> > There are a ton of tools, that is not the problem. The problem is
> > being able to find the right answer in this sea of tools.
> > 
> > y> In my opinion the order of trying to solve something in the *nix
> > y> should be as  following:
> > 
> > y> 1. HOWTO (tldp.org or build in)
> > 
> > Often a good place to start, but it is still too 'command' oriented,
> > rather than 'problem' oriented.
> > 
> > y> 2. man page
> > y> 3. google.com
> > y> 4. newbie list
> > 
> > I like 4, 3, and then 2 best. But then I'm a newbie. :-) I can fully
> > understand why someone who already knows it would prefer the other
> > order.
> > 
> > y> If one will not try to figure out staff by him/herself we will have to switch 
> > y> to m$ like OS where it is one way to do it and its full of holes because it 
> > y> is more important to make it ease then to make it safe.
> > 
> > Being safe and being easy to use, at least with respect to
> > documentation, are unrelated. Better, problem-oriented documentation
> > for linux might even make it easier to use than M$, especially if it
> > is good-thesaurus, natural language based. Note that M$ is investing
> > VERY heavily in people who do NL work. Hint, hint. If you want
> > Mandrake to take off, this will be a key - there are just not enough
> > geeks. :-)))
> > 
> > Of course, there's the crowd that does NOT want it to take off - but
> > that's another topic.
> > 
> > y> teach man how to resource and he will nether go back to m$.
> >  
> > If the resources are too hard to use, he will go back to M$ anyway. No
> > amount of RTFM put-downs will change that - indeed, it will just
> > accelerate it.
> I think that the MAN pages are a holdover from the unix days and should
> be rewritten possibly with examples
> 
I think the newbie twiki should/could and will be the manpages,
rewritten so that a simpler search engine (htdig?,, google) and simpler
computer users can understand what is being said.   


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Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

[ed tharp]

On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 02:41, Heather/Femme wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:30:25 -0700
> rikona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hello yankl,
> 
> 
> > Sorry to spoil your rant. :-)
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> >  rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> LOL nice going Rikona!
> 
> hehe sorry but thats hilarious!
> 
> FemmesAnAxeMurderer
> 
O... No, she doesn't have a very strange sense of humor,,, no,,,
nothing like that,,,

But I like it

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