[newbie] Display is one pixel in top left of screen

[Bryan Tyson]

I have a system running Mandrake 9.0 which was working fine, then for no 
apparent reason, began this strange behavior:

When booting, everything is normal through lilo. It sits there for a few 
seconds with "Linux" selected, then when you would expect Linux to 
launch, the whole screen goes blank except 1 pixel in the top left 
corner.

No changes were made between the last time it worked properly and when 
this problem began.

Ctrl-alt-backspace has no effect. Ctrl-alt-F1 has no effect.

Any ideas what is wrong?


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Re: [newbie] ** Welcome to Newbie **

[David E. Fox]

> This is an automated weekly message mainly intended
> for people new to Mandrake's Newbie List.

This is a good start. You might want to at least define what a
Twiki is before mentioning it though. I don't think the term
is something that people new to Mandrake and these lists would 
be sure to know.

How about something like:

We have set up a set of pages with a lot of information that
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Re: [newbie] Logitech Wingman Digital Extreme Joystick

[Scott Naylor]

On Monday 27 October 2003 06:04 pm, s wrote:
> On Sunday 26 October 2003 06:26 pm, Scott Naylor wrote:
> > How exactly would I go about installing a Logitech Wingman Digital
> > Extreme Joystick. It would be really helpful if I had step to step
> > instructions if you can please.
>
> I have the same stick.  All I do is add the following to /etc/modules:
>
> input
> joydev
> emu10k1-gp
> adi
>
>
> hth,
> -s

I will try that, but I have no idea what my gameport is, but I do know my 
soundcard is a Ensoniq brand device.


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Re: [newbie] grub & lilo

[Michael Adams]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:10:17 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Frank wrote:
> 
> > I'm starting to learn more about grub. And on a Mandrake system that
> > means trouble for someone. 
> 
> I've used both grub and lilo, and cannot find much to choose between 
> them, but mandrake tends to prefer lilo so I use that now days.
> 

Strangely, grub was their choice for non-expert install on my first
Mandrake distro 7.1.

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Re: [newbie] msec (originally Gcombust Question)

[E. Hines]

How would you uninstall msec?  There are a lot of packages that will go right 
along with it--drakconf, drakxtools,rpmdrake, etc.?  I dislike msec with an 
absolute passion (HATE is really how I feel about it).  I know what 
permissions I want on my directories, and I don't like being bothered by 
msec, nor do I want to be bothered by messing about with perm.local.  

E.

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 04:28 am, HaywireMac wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:55:46 -0500
>
> Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > Must be msec.  perms are back to root as we speak.  Can anyone tell
> > me how to make the changes stick?
>
> edit (or create, if it's not already there):
>
.
>
> *Some* people uninstall msec altogether. Unless you make it a habit of
> running around changing perms on random directories, it's not really
> necessary, esp if your machine is not running servers that need to be
> secured.


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Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [newbie] How did 9.2 get here ?

[Eric Huff]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:57:30 -0500
Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 28 October 2003 11:52 am, Kitchener, Steve wrote:
> > I am on holiday, I am back in the office on 3rd November, I will
> > be checking mail from time to time, but do not expect normal
> > turnaround in responce.
> 
> Here we go again.  Another filter gets set up.

Well, what do people think?  Is this offense enough for a temporary
"set newbie nomail" command?

I could turn off the mail and send him another explaining the
problem?

Or just send a warning and wait a day or so?

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[newbie] help with bash command

[Eric Huff]

I am trying to get a script to work.  It is much more complicated
than this, but i have boiled it down to this to debug it:

command='"dodge plymouth"'

echo $command

mhmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -subject $command -from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-body " "


But when the mhmail line runs, it apears to seperate at the space:

~/a/_linux/A_mandrake/mailinglist $ ./remove.bash
"dodge plymouth"
post: bad address 'plymouth"' - missing mailbox ("
ymouth), continuing...
post: 1 address unparsable
/usr/lib/nmh/post: exit 1
Letter saved in dead.letter


mhmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -subject "dodge plymouth" -from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -body " "

works fine, so i know it is in the $command part...

Thanks for any help,
eric


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Re: [newbie] broadband and stopping connection to internet at will

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 08:58 pm, L.V.Gandhi wrote:

> Thanks Derek and Bryan. I think I have not made myself clear. I have seen
> the above site of derek. Though I put it in subject, I didn't clarify in
> text. I want not only switching from cable to dial up and back which is
> explained in the above page, but also stopping connection to internet even
> through cable and of course dialup. TIA. Here I want to tell something

I'm not sure what you're asking here either, but if you just want to stop a 
cable connection, and its going thru your NIC, then as root:

service network stop

or

ifdown eth0 (or whatever number your NIC is)

should work.

If this isn't what you're looking for, I apologise.

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[newbie] Kernel compile problems

[Mark]

Running MDK9.1.  Having a lot of problems recompiling.
I need to recompile to get LIRC running, before anybody asks why
I need to recompile...

Steps I've taken so far:

cd /usr/src/linux as root
make mrproper
make menuconfig

switch the character devices setting under 16550 UART from built-in to Module
Save the config file

make dep, which gives a bunch of stuff then 
some errors about missing files and directories that used to exist for LIRC, 
OK, I removed them until the new LIRC source is downloaded.
Last line is make: *** [dep-files] Error 2

Then, I run make clean, runs ok.

Then, I run make bzImage, which runs for a couple seconds, then enters 
/usr/src/linux-2.4.21-13mdk/kernel, says No rule to make target 
modversions.h, needed by sched.o.  Stop.
Error 2.  

And that's it.  

Anyone know what could be causing this?  I really need to compile this, if I'm 
going to get my PVR remote working

Thanks,
Mark

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Re: Out of Office AutoReply: [newbie] How did 9.2 get here ?

[Greg Meyer]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 11:52 am, Kitchener, Steve wrote:
> I am on holiday, I am back in the office on 3rd November, I will be
> checking mail from time to time, but do not expect normal turnaround in
> responce.

Here we go again.  Another filter gets set up.
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Re: [newbie] Where to post on reply

[Eric Huff]

http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette

> 5.  Bottom Post
> 
> Thinking about this, maybe we need to add a comment that
> interspersed replying can help in some threads.

I added a line to it about interspersing.

Now i'll get to see if steve is still auto replying back to us.

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Re: [newbie] Where to post on reply

[Richard Hackwith]

At 09:12 PM 10/28/2003 +0100, you wrote:

And.. remember to cut away what's not needed.
Amen!

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RE: [newbie] Where to post on reply

[Mark Kirschner]

HaywireMac correctly chastised me:
 
Of course, you are also supposed to set your line wrap at less than 72
chars as well ;-)

I repeat...blasted outlook (postin' from work, doncha know)

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Re: [newbie] Where to post on reply

[Lee Wiggers]

See there... If you snip tight nobody can tell if your post is t,m,
or b.

Nothin' like a good ol' posting thread to warm the list.  It's been
weeks.

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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 10:39 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
>
> Well, Charlie M., too bad you will not be able to read this
> message, but hopefully other will read it and know you are an ass.
>
Are you less of an ass if you talk to someone you believe to be not 
listening?

> I was not trolling, I wanted to know who should be responsible for
> this.  Customers are going to want to know that.  Calling everyone
> that you don't like what they are saying trolls make you one big
> asshole as far as I am concerned.

This attitude is not welcome on the list.  People are entitled to 
their own opinions, and they are entitled to decide what they will 
read.

As for responsibility - you are responsible, as you took the decision 
to install.  Some responsibility does of course rest with LG, but we 
have already gone down that line.  Leave it now.

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Re: [newbie] msec (originally Gcombust Question)

[Lee Wiggers]

 not necessary.
> 
> ty.
> 
> Femme
> 
> 
tnx 

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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

[Schwartz Avi]

On Oct 28, 2003, at 15:57, Charlie M. wrote:

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Tuesday 28 October 2003 13:11, Schwartz Avi wrote:
I just wonder what will happen to all the people that lost their
drive. Is Mdk going to pay for them?  Can they even afford it?
Avi
Lol,

I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..

LG, should be paying for it because  the problem is with them.. not
mandrake..
The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the workaround..
which they already have it seems.
Franki, I totally agree with you.  Unfortunately many people have
mouths bigger than brains.
Anne
Anne,

Your comment was not about me, right?

Now let me ask you a question.  If Microsoft had released a new 
version
of Windows that so happened to destroy CD drives, would you be as
generous as you are to Mandrake or would you scream from the top of
your lungs for Microsoft to pay for the damage?

Avi
The LG drive problem should never have happened. Period. LG should 
never have
claimed that they don't support or test on GNU/Linux and then package 
CD-ROM
drives in a box stating "Compatible with Slackware" either.

What the hell do they think Slack is; a version of Windows for lazy 
bastards?

Since most of the hardware manufacturers on the planet have been in 
thrall to
Microsoft for so many years, and since everything that will work with 
an
Apple is _totally_ controlled by Apple, why shouldn't we blame MS for 
this
one too? Or Apple.

Or both.

I just Googled LG cdrom problems and their track record seems to be a
bitspotty to say the least.
Do you have a point to make or are you just trolling? That's OK, 
trolls can be
filtered easily enough.

On this mailing list this subject now goes directly to /dev/null since 
there's
apparently nothing new to be learned.

Gotta go.

Well, Charlie M., too bad you will not be able to read this message, 
but hopefully other will read it and know you are an ass.

I was not trolling, I wanted to know who should be responsible for 
this.  Customers are going to want to know that.  Calling everyone that 
you don't like what they are saying trolls make you one big asshole as 
far as I am concerned.

Avi


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Re: [newbie] Moving Home partition

[HaywireMac]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:01:45 -0500
Heather/Femme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> 
> easiest way if you have an existing install is use MCC & there is a
> partitioning resizer thingy in there.

Just went in there out of curiosity, wont let me even unmount, let alone
resize. Will only let me resize swap, which makes sense, how can I
resize a mounted and running partition.

> if not doing it that way, boot with cd1 & go thru the  install to the
> partitionging tool point.

This would be more likely to work.

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Re: [newbie] Moving Home partition

[Heather/Femme]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:16:50 -0500
Kelly McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Was afraid of that, thanks Femme. Can this be done within mandrake?
> 
> Dax
> 

easiest way if you have an existing install is use MCC & there is a
partitioning resizer thingy in there.

if not doing it that way, boot with cd1 & go thru the  install to the
partitionging tool point.

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Re: [newbie] Where to post on reply

[HaywireMac]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:57:42 -0800
"Mark Kirschner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> I believe it is preferred here, and even detailed in the list FAQ on
> Twiki that replies are bottom posted.  The reason for this, ostensibly
> is so that the reader can read the reply in context to the question
> asked.  Shortly after I began to follow this list, there was a series
> of "list nazi" posts reminding people to bottom, or at least inline,
> post their replies to the messages. Of course, some mail programs
> (blasted outlook) don't let you change the reply option to bottom
> post. Speaking of personal preference, I prefer the bottom post for
> general reply, inline for multiple point replies.

Of course, you are also supposed to set your line wrap at less than 72
chars as well ;-)

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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

[Charlie M.]

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Tuesday 28 October 2003 13:11, Schwartz Avi wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I just wonder what will happen to all the people that lost their
> >>> drive. Is Mdk going to pay for them?  Can they even afford it?
> >>>
> >>> Avi
> >>
> >> Lol,
> >>
> >> I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..
> >>
> >> LG, should be paying for it because  the problem is with them.. not
> >> mandrake..
> >> The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the workaround..
> >> which they already have it seems.
> >
> > Franki, I totally agree with you.  Unfortunately many people have
> > mouths bigger than brains.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Anne,
>
> Your comment was not about me, right?
>
> Now let me ask you a question.  If Microsoft had released a new version
> of Windows that so happened to destroy CD drives, would you be as
> generous as you are to Mandrake or would you scream from the top of
> your lungs for Microsoft to pay for the damage?
>
> Avi

The LG drive problem should never have happened. Period. LG should never have 
claimed that they don't support or test on GNU/Linux and then package CD-ROM 
drives in a box stating "Compatible with Slackware" either. 

What the hell do they think Slack is; a version of Windows for lazy bastards?

Since most of the hardware manufacturers on the planet have been in thrall to 
Microsoft for so many years, and since everything that will work with an 
Apple is _totally_ controlled by Apple, why shouldn't we blame MS for this 
one too? Or Apple. 

Or both. 

I just Googled LG cdrom problems and their track record seems to be a 
bitspotty to say the least.

Do you have a point to make or are you just trolling? That's OK, trolls can be 
filtered easily enough.

On this mailing list this subject now goes directly to /dev/null since there's 
apparently nothing new to be learned.

Gotta go.
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Re: [newbie] Display Manager FAILs to close

[Max . Benitz]

Greg,

Yes, it sounds right.  With Mandrake 9.1 and KDE (default version) where do
I find the second autologin setting?  The one I know about is in MCC:Boot,
if I remember right.

Thanks.





Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@aurora.gkmweb.com on 10/27/2003 10:42:27
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Subject:Re: [newbie] Display Manager FAILs to close


On Monday 27 October 2003 01:13 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Two issues here, but I think they're linked.
>
> When I shutdown the process is described on the shutdown screen and
> everything says "Success", iirc.  There is one step in the process
however
> which fails: Closing  Display Manager.  This bothers my sense of order,
and
> may be a symptom of other problems.
>
> Probably related is that when I log off, instead of going to a
> login/reboot/shutdown screen, I'm returned right back into KDE.  The
second
> time I log off, it works properly.  This double logoff pattern holds over
> and over.
>
> I could turn off "automatically log this user on" in MCC:Boot:Bootdrake,
> but then I'd need to logon everytime.  I'd rather not logon every time,
and
> I'd rather not have to logoff twice.
>
> Any ideas?
>
Yes, you are using autologin.  When you use autologin, the dm is never
started
because autologin is handled elsewhere.  You probably have autologin set in
your dm too, which is why when you logout out and the dm starts, it logs
you
back in right away.  Subsequent logouts present you with a login dialogue
because the dm autologin only happens when the dm is first started.  Does
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Re: [newbie] Where to post on reply

[Martin L. Johansen]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 22:38, Greg Meyer wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 October 2003 03:12 pm, Martin L. Johansen wrote:
> > "It's a cat!"
> > "What miauws?"
>
> I always thought it was meeeow!  Is your spelling French or something?

Danish :-)

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Re: [newbie] Where to post on reply

[Greg Meyer]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 03:12 pm, Martin L. Johansen wrote:
> "It's a cat!"
> "What miauws?"

I always thought it was meeeow!  Is your spelling French or something?
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Re: [newbie] msec (originally Gcombust Question)

[Heather/Femme]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:55:46 -0500
Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > 
> > Destined to die a newbie.
> > 
> > Thanks for the help.
> > 
> > Lee
> > 

Snippage please Lee! :)

quoting a huge email to add 3 -10 lines not necessary.

ty.

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Re: [newbie] K3b .10-2

[Aronsmith]

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 12:27, Charlie M. wrote:
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> Tuesday 28 October 2003 07:03, Bryan Phinney wrote:
> > For anyone that has a DVD-Burner and is looking for a GUI tool for burning,
> > K3b has a new version out and they have added DVD-R/-RW/+R/+RW support to
> > the tool.  You should simply need to download the new .rpm's linked on the
> > site and install and you are up and running with the new version.
> >
> > Not sure if they work with 9.2 but they certainly work on my 9.1 system.
> >
> > On another note, the latest version of xcdroast also adds support for
> > DVD+R/+RW as well.
> 
> I don't see why it wouldn't work Brian. I've been running the cvs .10 version 
> for a few weeks. The only thing I don't like is the "job completion" sound. 
> 
Start a DVD copy and burn go to bed when "Charge" gos off  ya wake up
fast and unstick yourself from the ceiling :-o
> 
> Have fun everybody.
> 
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Re: [newbie] Suggestions on Mandrake books

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 8:59 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Without a doubt there are numerous web sites that have lots and
> lots of valuable information - much more useful at times than a
> whole library of OS books!  However, they are hard to read when (1)
> the computer is down, traveling, or whenever going on-line is not
> convenient.
>
Absolutely.  I love the Internet for research and for access to books, 
etc., but I learn best from a wad of paper in my hand.

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Re: [newbie] Suggestions on Mandrake books

[lduvall]

Without a doubt there are numerous web sites that have lots and lots of
valuable information - much more useful at times than a whole library of
OS books!  However, they are hard to read when (1) the computer is down,
traveling, or whenever going on-line is not convenient.

LeRoy

> On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 11:53 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I looked high and low for a Mandrake-specific book. The only one I
>> could find was "the Definitive Manual". I got it and it appears to
>> be very comprehensive - but I have only looked at parts of it - not
>> had it long enough to give an overall impression - but at least for my
>> needs it is the only book in town.
>>
>> You might want to check out one of the various linux command
>> references. I have one that is cross-referenced to MS-DOS commands -
>> useful if you know MS-DOS. However it is not a clearly laid out as one
>> would hope, and as always the case, there are commands that I
>> hear/read about that are not listed. Don't know if those are
>> distribution-specific or not.
>>
> You will also find much information on the TWiki, reached via the url
> in my sig.  The special newbie-friendly links page is at
> http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewbieFriendly
>
> Anne
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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

[Bryan Phinney]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 03:34 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:

> I don't know if would have been as nice as you. I installed 9.2 for a
> friend on his IBM laptop.  While using it, the machine locked solid and
> would not boot anymore.  It claims not to find the HD anymore.  In this
> case *I think* the laptop's problem is a genuine hardware problem, but
> if I was convinced that the damage was done by an OS, I am not sure I
> could have stayed calm.  Replacing an out of warranty laptop CD drive
> can be a *very* costly endeavor.

Yes, and exactly what choice do you have in the matter?  Standard disclaimers 
on MS's EULA limit them to total damages amounting the the price that you 
paid for the software and absolutely no more.  They are immune from claims of 
incidental damages, fitness for purpose and even intentional negligence, your 
sole remedy is to return the software for a refund.

Not sure that Mandrake, even were they a commercial software vendor who as 
putting out a proprietary package would be any different and in point of 
fact, they are putting out a package that, at least in the case of the 
downloadable ISO is free, and the only price that you pay is that you accept 
responsibility for installing it yourself.

If you install software that does not come pre-packaged on your computer, you 
are taking your chances and that is true whether it is Microsoft or Linux.

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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 8:34 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
> On Oct 28, 2003, at 14:21, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 8:11 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
>  I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..
> 
>  LG, should be paying for it because  the problem is with
>  them.. not mandrake..
>  The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the workaround..
>  which they already have it seems.
> >>>
> >>> Franki, I totally agree with you.  Unfortunately many people
> >>> have mouths bigger than brains.
> >>>
> >>> Anne
> >>
> >> Anne,
> >>
> >> Your comment was not about me, right?
> >
> > My comment was not aimed at you.  It was aimed at the many people
> > I see on the Internet who shout loudly without bothering to find
> > out whether there is any truth in the statements or not.
> >
> >> Now let me ask you a question.  If Microsoft had released a new
> >> version of Windows that so happened to destroy CD drives, would
> >> you be as generous as you are to Mandrake or would you scream
> >> from the top of your lungs for Microsoft to pay for the damage?
> >
> > Absolutely, Avi.  There are many things I dislike about M$, but I
> > would not hold them responsible for something over which they
> > have no control.  If you look back on the list you will see that
> > I do not go in for gratuitous M$ bashing.
>
> I don't know if would have been as nice as you. I installed 9.2 for
> a friend on his IBM laptop.  While using it, the machine locked
> solid and would not boot anymore.  It claims not to find the HD
> anymore.  In this case *I think* the laptop's problem is a genuine
> hardware problem, but if I was convinced that the damage was done
> by an OS, I am not sure I could have stayed calm.  Replacing an out
> of warranty laptop CD drive can be a *very* costly endeavor.
>
That I can understand, Avi.  It's hard to think calmly when your guts 
are being twisted   In the case of the LG drives it appears to be 
clear-cut, but whether LG can be made to bear the cost remains to be 
seen.

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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

[Schwartz Avi]

On Oct 28, 2003, at 14:21, Anne Wilson wrote:

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 8:11 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..

LG, should be paying for it because  the problem is with them..
not mandrake..
The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the workaround..
which they already have it seems.
Franki, I totally agree with you.  Unfortunately many people have
mouths bigger than brains.
Anne
Anne,

Your comment was not about me, right?

My comment was not aimed at you.  It was aimed at the many people I
see on the Internet who shout loudly without bothering to find out
whether there is any truth in the statements or not.
Now let me ask you a question.  If Microsoft had released a new
version of Windows that so happened to destroy CD drives, would you
be as generous as you are to Mandrake or would you scream from the
top of your lungs for Microsoft to pay for the damage?
Absolutely, Avi.  There are many things I dislike about M$, but I
would not hold them responsible for something over which they have no
control.  If you look back on the list you will see that I do not go
in for gratuitous M$ bashing.
I don't know if would have been as nice as you. I installed 9.2 for a 
friend on his IBM laptop.  While using it, the machine locked solid and 
would not boot anymore.  It claims not to find the HD anymore.  In this 
case *I think* the laptop's problem is a genuine hardware problem, but 
if I was convinced that the damage was done by an OS, I am not sure I 
could have stayed calm.  Replacing an out of warranty laptop CD drive 
can be a *very* costly endeavor.

Avi


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Re: [newbie] K3b .10-2

[Charlie M.]

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Tuesday 28 October 2003 07:03, Bryan Phinney wrote:
> For anyone that has a DVD-Burner and is looking for a GUI tool for burning,
> K3b has a new version out and they have added DVD-R/-RW/+R/+RW support to
> the tool.  You should simply need to download the new .rpm's linked on the
> site and install and you are up and running with the new version.
>
> Not sure if they work with 9.2 but they certainly work on my 9.1 system.
>
> On another note, the latest version of xcdroast also adds support for
> DVD+R/+RW as well.

I don't see why it wouldn't work Brian. I've been running the cvs .10 version 
for a few weeks. The only thing I don't like is the "job completion" sound. 


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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

[Dennis Myers]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 12:01 pm, Franki wrote:
> Schwartz Avi wrote:
> > On Oct 27, 2003, at 17:45, Richard Urwin wrote:
> >> On Monday 27 Oct 2003 9:55 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
> >>> What I heard was that Mandrake used some new untested kernel code in
> >>> their kernel for the 9.2 release.
> >>
> >> I think they would prefer the adjective "remarkably cutting-edge".
> >
> > You certainly mean "Bleeding Edge" :-)
> >
> > I just wonder what will happen to all the people that lost their drive.
> >  Is Mdk going to pay for them?  Can they even afford it?
> >
> > Avi
>
> Lol,
>
> I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..
>
> LG, should be paying for it because  the problem is with them.. not
> mandrake..
> The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the workaround.. which
> they already have it seems.
>
>
>
> rgds
>
> Franki
I will not ask Mandrake to pay for mine, I went out and bought a new one in a 
retail box, not LG though, and put it in the comp, booted, no problem.  I 
will not install the new kernel now, until all is set up with drivers etc. 
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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 8:11 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
> >> I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..
> >>
> >> LG, should be paying for it because  the problem is with them..
> >> not mandrake..
> >> The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the workaround..
> >> which they already have it seems.
> >
> > Franki, I totally agree with you.  Unfortunately many people have
> > mouths bigger than brains.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Anne,
>
> Your comment was not about me, right?
>
My comment was not aimed at you.  It was aimed at the many people I 
see on the Internet who shout loudly without bothering to find out 
whether there is any truth in the statements or not.

> Now let me ask you a question.  If Microsoft had released a new
> version of Windows that so happened to destroy CD drives, would you
> be as generous as you are to Mandrake or would you scream from the
> top of your lungs for Microsoft to pay for the damage?
>
Absolutely, Avi.  There are many things I dislike about M$, but I 
would not hold them responsible for something over which they have no 
control.  If you look back on the list you will see that I do not go 
in for gratuitous M$ bashing.

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Re: [newbie] Where to post on reply

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 7:36 pm, Johan wrote:
> Hi,
> Have I missed a new rule about posting on reply  (top - middle
> -bottom)??? I prefer top - why - when I open mail there already
> visible the reply. Maybe it just of preference.
> OK some require to post at the question when more then one
> question. Johan
>
From 
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette

5.  Bottom Post

* Please add your part to the bottom. Since most people read top 
to bottom, the flow will be much easier to understand. Also, these 
emails are archived, so we can all go back and lookup old topics. 
Again, the mails will be easier to read. Assuming the post has been 
properly pruned, there will be very little scrolling to get to the 
new info.

Thinking about this, maybe we need to add a comment that interspersed 
replying can help in some threads.

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Re: [newbie] Where to post on reply

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 7:36 pm, Johan wrote:
> Hi,
> Have I missed a new rule about posting on reply  (top - middle
> -bottom)??? I prefer top - why - when I open mail there already
> visible the reply. Maybe it just of preference.
> OK some require to post at the question when more then one
> question. Johan
>
From 
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette

5.  Bottom Post

* Please add your part to the bottom. Since most people read top 
to bottom, the flow will be much easier to understand. Also, these 
emails are archived, so we can all go back and lookup old topics. 
Again, the mails will be easier to read. Assuming the post has been 
properly pruned, there will be very little scrolling to get to the 
new info.

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Re: [newbie] Where to post on reply

[Martin L. Johansen]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:36, Johan wrote:
> Hi,

Hi!

> Have I missed a new rule about posting on reply  (top - middle -bottom)???

In between

> I prefer top - why - when I open mail there already visible the reply.

Wrong. Ya like Jeopardy?

"It's a cat!"
"What miauws?"

See my moo point?

> Maybe it just of preference.

Unfortuanly yes, but clear netikette states correct quoting like I've 
demonstrated. And not how people prefer! :-)

And.. remember to cut away what's not needed.

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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

[Schwartz Avi]

On Oct 28, 2003, at 13:59, Anne Wilson wrote:

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 6:01 pm, Franki wrote:
Schwartz Avi wrote:
On Oct 27, 2003, at 17:45, Richard Urwin wrote:
On Monday 27 Oct 2003 9:55 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
What I heard was that Mandrake used some new untested kernel
code in their kernel for the 9.2 release.
I think they would prefer the adjective "remarkably
cutting-edge".
You certainly mean "Bleeding Edge" :-)

I just wonder what will happen to all the people that lost their
drive. Is Mdk going to pay for them?  Can they even afford it?
Avi
Lol,

I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..

LG, should be paying for it because  the problem is with them.. not
mandrake..
The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the workaround..
which they already have it seems.
Franki, I totally agree with you.  Unfortunately many people have
mouths bigger than brains.
Anne

Anne,

Your comment was not about me, right?

Now let me ask you a question.  If Microsoft had released a new version 
of Windows that so happened to destroy CD drives, would you be as 
generous as you are to Mandrake or would you scream from the top of 
your lungs for Microsoft to pay for the damage?

Avi


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Re: [newbie] Suggestions on Mandrake books

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 11:53 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I looked high and low for a Mandrake-specific book. The only one I
> could find was "the Definitive Manual". I got it and it appears
> to be very comprehensive - but I have only looked at parts of it -
> not had it long enough to give an overall impression - but at least
> for my needs it is the only book in town.
>
> You might want to check out one of the various linux command
> references. I have one that is cross-referenced to MS-DOS commands
> - useful if you know MS-DOS. However it is not a clearly laid out
> as one would hope, and as always the case, there are commands that
> I hear/read about that are not listed. Don't know if those are
> distribution-specific or not.
>
You will also find much information on the TWiki, reached via the url 
in my sig.  The special newbie-friendly links page is at 
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewbieFriendly

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Re: [newbie] Where to post on reply

[aronsmith]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 11:57 am, Mark Kirschner wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johan Sent:
> Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:36 AM
> To: Mandrake-newbie
> Subject: [newbie] Where to post on reply
>
> Hi,
> Have I missed a new rule about posting on reply  (top - middle
> -bottom)??? I prefer top - why - when I open mail there already
> visible the reply. Maybe it just of preference.
> OK some require to post at the question when more then one question.
> Johan
>
> May this be a good day for learning
> Registered Linux user # 330034
>
> I believe it is preferred here, and even detailed in the list FAQ on
> Twiki that replies are bottom posted.  The reason for this,
> ostensibly is so that the reader can read the reply in context to the
> question asked.  Shortly after I began to follow this list, there was
> a series of "list nazi" posts reminding people to bottom, or at least
> inline, post their replies to the messages. Of course, some mail
> programs (blasted outlook) don't let you change the reply option to
> bottom post. Speaking of personal preference, I prefer the bottom
> post for general reply, inline for multiple point replies.
of course on the OT list they top/middle and bottom post all at the same 
time. :-0


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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 6:01 pm, Franki wrote:
> Schwartz Avi wrote:
> > On Oct 27, 2003, at 17:45, Richard Urwin wrote:
> >> On Monday 27 Oct 2003 9:55 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:
> >>> What I heard was that Mandrake used some new untested kernel
> >>> code in their kernel for the 9.2 release.
> >>
> >> I think they would prefer the adjective "remarkably
> >> cutting-edge".
> >
> > You certainly mean "Bleeding Edge" :-)
> >
> > I just wonder what will happen to all the people that lost their
> > drive. Is Mdk going to pay for them?  Can they even afford it?
> >
> > Avi
>
> Lol,
>
> I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..
>
> LG, should be paying for it because  the problem is with them.. not
> mandrake..
> The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the workaround..
> which they already have it seems.
>
Franki, I totally agree with you.  Unfortunately many people have 
mouths bigger than brains.

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RE: [newbie] Where to post on reply

[Mark Kirschner]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johan
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:36 AM
To: Mandrake-newbie
Subject: [newbie] Where to post on reply

Hi,
Have I missed a new rule about posting on reply  (top - middle -bottom)???
I prefer top - why - when I open mail there already visible the reply.
Maybe it just of preference.
OK some require to post at the question when more then one question.
Johan

May this be a good day for learning
Registered Linux user # 330034

I believe it is preferred here, and even detailed in the list FAQ on Twiki that 
replies are bottom posted.  The reason for this, ostensibly is so that the reader can 
read the reply in context to the question asked.  Shortly after I began to follow this 
list, there was a series of "list nazi" posts reminding people to bottom, or at least 
inline, post their replies to the messages.
Of course, some mail programs (blasted outlook) don't let you change the reply option 
to bottom post.
Speaking of personal preference, I prefer the bottom post for general reply, inline 
for multiple point replies.

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Re: [newbie] grub & lilo

[Johan]

I have used lilo for years and since I changed and learned grub - well I
think it is marvelous. Well of course every individual has his/her own taste
and I like that.
Johan
***
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From: "Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] grub & lilo


> I'm starting to learn more about grub. And on a Mandrake system that
> means trouble for someone.
>
> You see, I now have my primary disk exclusively Mandrake and though the
> first partition is /boot I have yet to see Lilo ala GUI perform reliably
> yet. The first screen always comes up OK but when lilo moves on to the
> second screen, well, I get to boot successfully usually after the third
> or fourth try.
>
> I have had this problem since Mandrake9.0 and it gets annoying when my
> system will not boot up first time each day.
>
> I guess that makes this a con for lilo then?
>
> -- 
> Regards
>
> Frank
>
> Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve.
> Registered Linux User # 324213
>
>
>
> James Conner wrote:
>
> >On Sunday 26 October 2003 08:33 pm, Heather/Femme wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I've heard grub is "experimental" .. but RH uses it almost exclusively
> >>and alot of ppl say its better than LILO.  True? False?
> >>
> >>I'd search google for a site detailing the differences & Pros/cons of
> >>each but I don't kow where to start... I know I know, I'm usually good
> >>at research but I'm stumped on this.
> >>
> >>Can somoene gimme a pointer pls?  even a google URL?
> >>
> >>thx
> >>
> >>Femme
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I've used both.  There are pros and cons on both.
> >
> >Grub:
> > Pros:
> > - You can edit the config file and not worry about having to write it to
the
> >mbr like lilo, it'll take effect on the next boot.
> > - You can edit stanzas on the fly on the Grub menu on boot.
> > Cons:
> > - If you mess up the config file, you might end up with a unbootable
system.
> >This can be a nightmare for people doing remote support.
> >
> >Lilo:
> > Pros:
> > After you edit the lilo config file you can do a lilo -v and know if you
> >messed anything up or not.  Well, most of the time.
> > Syntax is easier to understand and use for newbies.
> > Cons:
> > Versions older than 2 years will have the dreaded 1024 cylinder barrier
for
> >/boot.
> >
> >I'm sure that there are more, but that's all I can think of off the top
of my
> >head.  I usually setup new users with lilo, it's easier to understand and
> >modify if necessary.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
>






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Re: [newbie] Re: Screensavers mdk 9.2

[Johan]

Hi,
After posting I found out that * random * on my system seems to be the
culprit.
Other choices work.
Johan
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:09 AM
Subject: [newbie] Re: Screensavers mdk 9.2


> Johan wrote:
> > Hi,
> > After clean install mdk 9.2 screensavers missing in selection list
> > After update from update mirror the list have a lot listed - selected
> > random - but still blank screen when saver should kick in.
> > Any ideas please.
>
> search in the archive of this forum or on cooker or in the
> qa.mandrakesoft.com or using google.
>
> /Simon
>
>
>
>






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[newbie] Where to post on reply

[Johan]

Hi,
Have I missed a new rule about posting on reply  (top - middle -bottom)???
I prefer top - why - when I open mail there already visible the reply.
Maybe it just of preference.
OK some require to post at the question when more then one question.
Johan

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Re: [newbie] LG CDRoms

[Franki]

Schwartz Avi wrote:

On Oct 27, 2003, at 17:45, Richard Urwin wrote:

On Monday 27 Oct 2003 9:55 pm, Schwartz Avi wrote:

What I heard was that Mandrake used some new untested kernel code in
their kernel for the 9.2 release.


I think they would prefer the adjective "remarkably cutting-edge".

You certainly mean "Bleeding Edge" :-)

I just wonder what will happen to all the people that lost their drive. 
 Is Mdk going to pay for them?  Can they even afford it?

Avi

Lol,

I'd get upset if mandrake even thought about paying for it..

LG, should be paying for it because  the problem is with them.. not 
mandrake..
The only thing mandrake have to do, is put in the workaround.. which 
they already have it seems.



rgds

Franki

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Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms

[stormjumper]

yes. using rsync with an rsync'able mirror.

incidentally the first link produced by typing "rsync mandrake iso" produced
a wonderful page as the very first link.

Jim
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 21:18
Subject: Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms


>
> Once there is a new CD1 ISO, is there any method to shorten the download
if
> you have the MDK9.2 CD1 ISO already?
> I'm thinking of wonderful "jigdo" utility for debian...
>
> Rafael Quintanilla
> Valencia, Spain
>
>






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Re: [newbie] trackball and touchpad

[stormjumper]

for a start, you need to get both of them working, one at a time.

after that, there are lotsa sites on the net stating how to use X with more
than one connecting pointing devices. google for them. or try this one first
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree86-Second-Mouse/index.html

pay particular attention to your version of X, if it's 3.3.x or 4.x.x.

if you need further help, we need further info.
eg, what touchpad, wat trackball, connected to wat port, on wat laptop, and
copies of your XF86 for which your two devices can already work, one at a
time.

Jim
- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:49
Subject: [newbie] trackball and touchpad


> Anyone tell me how to get them both working together?  Trackball works
> fine, touchpad not at all in mandrake, fine in windows xp.  I have
> searched the web and changed my xf86config enough to stop x working but
> not to start the touchpad with x running.  I am confused and tired.
> All help greatfully appreciated.
> cheers
>
>
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Re: [newbie] Moving Home partition

[Kelly McCormick]

Heather/Femme wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:35:20 -0500
Kelly McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Also, Any known issues with resizing a riserFS / partition with 
Partition Magic 7 from a windows dual boot load?

Dax



ya you can't do it.
period.
PM sees the partition as "BAD" & labels it as such.

Femme





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Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms

[stormjumper]

- Original Message - 
From: "Anne Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 17:22
Subject: Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms


> On Monday 27 Oct 2003 11:32 pm, Anarky wrote:
> > >
> > >the publicly avail ISO's aren't on the mirrors for another few
> > > days anyway, no?
> >
> > yeah, I couldn't find them .. but I assumed they were tehre .. my
> > mistake :)
>
> Received this morning:
>
> 
>
> ___
>
>  Mandrake Linux Update Advisory
>
> ___
>
>  Package name:   kernel
>  Advisory ID:MDKA-2003:021
>  Date:   October 27th, 2003
>
>  Affected versions:  9.2
>
> __
>
>  Problem Description:
>
>  A problem was discovered where the kernel would destroy certain LG-
>  based CD-ROM devices.  This problem has been fixed in the kernels
>  provided and MandrakeSoft encourages everyone to upgrade.
>



actually this is pretty bad for mandrake.
they're in a no win situation.

if they correct the iso for the dl edition and not for the boxed sets,
they're lose goodwill. heck, i think it causes much ill will.

if they correct the dl edition AND replace they box set, they incurred lotsa
costs.

and if they doesn't do either, reputation gets shot to bits.

*sigh*


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Re: [newbie] Powerpack Subscription Question

[Alan Shoemaker]

Nicholas wrote:
> I bought the subscription power pack starting with 9.1.
> From what the site said, mandrake would also send 9.2 and
> the next version out when it becomes available. I have
> since moved and need my address changed. There is more to
> this so please keep reading. I have been trying to contact
> someone for the last 2 months to try and change it. Should
> be simple right? Just call em up and give them some info so
> they knows its legit and its changed. Well every time I
> call I get the answering machine (Calling the 1 909
> 341-8794 number) and leave my name, number and so on. Well
> now about 20 calls later I have yet to hear anything. Also,
> I tried to use the online system to have an email sent to
> have this issue resolved. Again, as of yet I have yet to
> hear/see anything.
>
> Now my question is, How to I now go about changing my
> address and/or finding out if it has already been changed?
> As of right now I am serious thinking of switching which
> would be sad as I have used mandrake since it started but
> this is just ridiculous.
>
> Thanks
> N

nicholasi've forwarded this email to the person in the 
paris office who will be able to take care of your address 
change issue.
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RE: [newbie] How did 9.2 get here ?

[Tony S. Sykes]

They have put a notice on their web site warning users about the LG
problem, hoping to catch them before it is to late. 

-Original Message-
From: Derek Jennings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] How did 9.2 get here ?


On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 3:40 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just got my copy of Linux Format magazine it comes with 9.2 d/l
edition on
> it's DVD. I'm wondering where they got it, could they be subscribed to
> MandrakeClub ?

Hmm I wonder how many Linux Format readers have  LG CD drives?

derek

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Re: [newbie] How did 9.2 get here ?

[Derek Jennings]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 3:40 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just got my copy of Linux Format magazine it comes with 9.2 d/l edition on
> it's DVD. I'm wondering where they got it, could they be subscribed to
> MandrakeClub ?

Hmm I wonder how many Linux Format readers have  LG CD drives?

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Re: [newbie] Serial port problem

[stormjumper]

- Original Message - 
From: "Dennis Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 04:30
Subject: Re: [newbie] Serial port problem


> Just to be repetitive on the list, have you set the "PNP OS"  to "no" in
bios?
> This lets Mandrake sort the IRQs for you.  Or so I have read. : )

actually, someone correct me pls if i got this wrong.
Setting PnP OS Installed to No means that BIOs sets the IRQs and vice
versa.

at least, that's the impression the manuals for my various Abit motherboards
give me.

anyway, i haven't encountered much problems with this setting since 8.2
either way i set it, so it's probably a case of try one, then the other and
pick watever works.


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Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 12:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thank you Anne, and sorry for the comment, 

No problem.

> in fact I have installed
> 9.2 in several computers, some of them with LG drivers, but
> dvd-cdrom and cdrw, so I haven't had any problem and my laptop, for
> example, is runing 9.2 for a week without any problem (with 9.1
> sometimes I had hang opening the computer after a resume shutdown).
>
> I know that LG is the problem, making cdrom drivers with bug, but
> the people is looking the situation as if Mandrake were the
> responsible :-).
>
> The most important thing is for Mandrake solve the problem in the
> boxes and in the final download edition.
>
> I hope a new iso for the first cd (iso-1) could be enought to solve
> the problem.
>
Unfortunately, although the fault is LG's, Mandrake are going to take 
some stick for this.  My new Linux Format has arrived this morning - 
with a dvd containing Mandrake 9.2.  I don't see any way that they 
are going to reach their readers before damage is done.

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Re: [newbie] Hi, I cant boot up my mandrake 91

[stormjumper]

refer to my other post to the original poster.

hopefully, you may yet find that the board is free of blame for this issue.

hth
- Original Message - 
From: "racerpup2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 09:33
Subject: Re: [newbie] Hi, I cant boot up my mandrake 91


> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 12:01, Alberto Borges de Almeida wrote:
> > Hi, I can't boot up my mandrake 91.
> > i start to boot Mandrake 91 them apear the screen of instal, i press
> > enter and FREEZE.
> > I tryed to press f1 and type all kind of initializing comands, and all
> > fail.
> > i have alredy set no for plug and play bios
> >
> > a computer that i'm trying to instal is:
> >
> > AMD duron 1200
> > MB k7vmm
> > 128MB RAM
> > 40GB HD
> >
> > Sory my bad english.
> > Thankyou,
> >
> > Alberto Almeida
>
> It is your motherboard. I have the same one and the only way to put
> mandrake on is to use the alt1 kernel..i eventually bought a new
> motherboard and condemned the k7 to windows hell...
>
> walt
> >
>
>
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Re: [newbie] Hi, I cant boot up my mandrake 91

[stormjumper]

i believe it's the integrated Savage 4 video that causing the boot-up
issues.

try taking total ram - (video ram + 2), and setting the value during bootup
like you said.

in your case, try press F1, and type in linux mem=94M
(i'm assuming you're using the full 32mb capability of the integrated Savage
4.)

a suggestion. ram is cheap, buy up to at least 256mb, preferably 512mb,
it'll make your computing experience much more enjoyable.

a less effective suggestion. try reducing the 32mb used for the Savage 4 to
8mb for the time being.

pls feed back the success or failure using linux mem=94M on this
motherboard.

hth
- Original Message - 
From: Alberto Borges de Almeida
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 01:01
Subject: [newbie] Hi, I cant boot up my mandrake 91


Hi, I can't boot up my mandrake 91.
i start to boot Mandrake 91 them apear the screen of instal, i press enter
and FREEZE.
I tryed to press f1 and type all kind of initializing comands, and all fail.
i have alredy set no for plug and play bios

a computer that i'm trying to instal is:

AMD duron 1200
MB k7vmm
128MB RAM
40GB HD

Sory my bad english.
Thankyou,

Alberto Almeida


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Re: [newbie] How did 9.2 get here ?

[Greg Meyer]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 10:40 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just got my copy of Linux Format magazine it comes with 9.2 d/l edition on
> it's DVD. I'm wondering where they got it, could they be subscribed to
> MandrakeClub ?

Even though iso's are not publically available, the entire release tree of 9.2 
has been on the mirrors since Club members got their access.  Anybody with a 
broadband can do an ftp install at any time.  Linux format probably just 
downloaded the entire tree and had a dvd of it produced for distribution.  
This is entirelly legal without an agreement from MandrakeSoft, because all 
of the download edition is released under the GPL, although they may have 
one.
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Re: [newbie] How did 9.2 get here ?

[Tom Brinkman]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 09:40 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just got my copy of Linux Format magazine it comes with 9.2 d/l
> edition on it's DVD. I'm wondering where they got it, could they
> be subscribed to MandrakeClub ?

   Sure, even Cheapbytes and some others are already sellin 9.2 
CD's.  Some ftp sites have even made CD's with the current updates
 ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake-iso/i586/
(very slow site and often off line)
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[newbie] Powerpack Subscription Question

[Nicholas]

I bought the subscription power pack starting with 9.1. From what the site
said, mandrake would also send 9.2 and the next version out when it becomes
available. I have since moved and need my address changed. There is more to
this so please keep reading. I have been trying to contact someone for the
last 2 months to try and change it. Should be simple right? Just call em up
and give them some info so they knows its legit and its changed. Well every
time I call I get the answering machine (Calling the 1 909 341-8794 number)
and leave my name, number and so on. Well now about 20 calls later I have
yet to hear anything. Also, I tried to use the online system to have an
email sent to have this issue resolved. Again, as of yet I have yet to
hear/see anything.

Now my question is, How to I now go about changing my address and/or finding
out if it has already been changed? As of right now I am serious thinking of
switching which would be sad as I have used mandrake since it started but
this is just ridiculous.

Thanks
Nicholas


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Re: [newbie] How did 9.2 get here ?

[racerpup2]

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 10:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just got my copy of Linux Format magazine it comes with 9.2 d/l edition on 
> it's DVD. I'm wondering where they got it, could they be subscribed to 
> MandrakeClub ?
> 
> 
> __
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Most likely, they have an agreement with Mandrake to distribute it in
their Magazine. It is one way to get the world to realize Mandrake is
the best distro!

Walt


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[newbie] Fw: MDKA-2003:021 - Updated kernel packages problems with LG-based CD-ROM drives

[Eric Huff]

For those not on the update list:


Begin forwarded message:

Date: 28 Oct 2003 05:41:13 -
From: Mandrake Linux Security Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MDKA-2003:021 - Updated kernel packages problems with
LG-based CD-ROM drives


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Hash: SHA1


___


 Mandrake Linux Update Advisory

___


 Package name:   kernel
 Advisory ID:MDKA-2003:021
 Date:   October 27th, 2003

 Affected versions:  9.2

___
___

 Problem Description:

 A problem was discovered where the kernel would destroy certain LG-
 based CD-ROM devices.  This problem has been fixed in the kernels
 provided and MandrakeSoft encourages everyone to upgrade.
 
 For more information on this particular problem, view the errata
 page on this topic available at:
 
   http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/lgerrata.php3
 
 For full information on updating your kernel, please view the
 instructions at:
 
   http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/kernelupdate.php
 
 New commercial drivers for this kernel will be available at
Mandrake
 Club shortly.

___
___

 Updated Packages:
  
 Mandrake Linux 9.2:
 1c718660da91577a483433f92a3dffc7 
9.2/RPMS/kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm
 db498188d51dc929516a6339baab50f0 
9.2/RPMS/kernel-BOOT-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm
 cab4f8fd6eab503808bfdf62795700d3 
9.2/RPMS/kernel-doc-2.4.22-21mdk.i586.rpm
 49d0a3f4a513c0703d1ad5c39e890b1d 
9.2/RPMS/kernel-enterprise-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm
 b22d9ea8b34bd0bd395b92123909b965 
9.2/RPMS/kernel-i686-up-4GB-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm
 f1a893db6a935bc16f855e41d16a68f0 
9.2/RPMS/kernel-p3-smp-64GB-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm
 1b0c75780c703929e13d8d9e572d72cf 
9.2/RPMS/kernel-secure-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm
 68e0339b3ac8098258683da7e5a503e5 
9.2/RPMS/kernel-smp-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm
 ffcfa70f85b682bbb2f927a4f65b3041 
9.2/RPMS/kernel-source-2.4.22-21mdk.i586.rpm
 287669262ff8a0d4dc6497256d7cf9bd 
9.2/SRPMS/kernel-2.4.22.21mdk-1-1mdk.src.rpm

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[newbie] How did 9.2 get here ?

[poogle]

Just got my copy of Linux Format magazine it comes with 9.2 d/l edition on 
it's DVD. I'm wondering where they got it, could they be subscribed to 
MandrakeClub ?

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Re: [newbie] MPAA and your computer

[Aronsmith]

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 06:26, HaywireMac wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:48:21 -0800
> Aronsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> 
> > > "Fearful of piracy, the studios want the federal government to
> > > legislate how computers are made. Critics say such interference
> > > signals the end of the line for digital innovation."
> > > 
> > > Link:
> > > 
> > > http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/10/27/broadcast_flag/index.html
> > Kinda like the Mississippi Legislature which passed a law in the 20's
> > setting Pi=3 (really they did)
> 
> This is the funniest part:
> 
> "American television -- which the MPAA extols as "a unique resource,
> justly cherished by millions of Americans," and "a major United States
> export that is tremendously important ... to our prestige in the world,"
> a characterization that might give you new, patriotic appreciation for
> something like "Joe Millionaire" -- would be at grave risk in a world
> where everyone is a potential pirate."
> 
> ROTFLMAO!
> 
> But more on point, is this:
> 
> "The MPAA, critics say, would like to end all that. "Under the original
> proposal, no [copy-protection] technology could be approved without at
> least two motion picture companies approving it," says Fred von Lohmann,
> an attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. He adds that under
> the MPAA's scheme, open-source digital television systems would be
> "banned outright," because "under this regulation not only do you have
> to embrace protection technologies, you must implement them in a
> tamper-resistant fashion, which means you've got to weld the hood shut.
> Open-source and free software are premised on not welding the hood shut
> -- it's not open source if it can't be modified by the users." 
> 
> The MPAA is attacking Open Source the same way SCO and MS are, by trying
> to turn it into the "enemy" of Free Enterprise.
Of course. Any Government mandated monopoly will not work as well as
free Enterprise thats why they depend on law (they cannot compete in a
real free market


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Re: [newbie] Suggestions on Mandrake books

[Margot]

S. Wieland wrote:
I think its best for me to get a book to help me with learning mandrake 
9.1/linux in general. MI'm ccompletely new to linux and would say I'm an 
intermediate - advanced windows user. I'm bad with technical jargon like 
math books, so a nice easy guide would help me the best. Any 
suggestions? How is the 'The Definitive Guide to Using Mandrake Linux' i 
see on their store web site?  I see that you can get the one with the 
included cd's or dvd. Anyone have experience with those?
Thanks
boardrider

I haven't had time to go through it fully yet as it only arrived 
yesterday from Amazon, but I'd recommend Moving to Linux - Kiss the Blue 
Screen of Death Goodbye by Marcel Gagne.

I wish I'd had this book ten months ago when I started with Mandrake - 
would have saved me asking so many stupid question on this list! 
Explains everything in language that is easy to understand for someone 
like me - experienced with Windows but hoping to give it up! - good 
screenshots, and though it is not Mandrake-specific there are plenty of 
references to Mandrake.

It comes with a Knoppix CD which I haven't tested yet.

Margot


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Re: [newbie] Very basic question, don't shoot me please

[John Richard Smith]

charo wrote:

HaywireMac wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:14:59 -0500
charo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

I have a very long process that is systematically killed by the
system. How can I know what is wrong with it? I know that works well
because when I run the script with a small number of files the process
exits successfully.


Without knowing what the process is, it's hard to say, but it could be
reaching some sort of limit, either in the script itself or a system
limit, like the size of a directory or partition, or running out of
memory.


You are rigth. It's reaching some sort of limit, but I don't know how 
to  output what was the problem. I guess I'm looking for some system 
call that could describe what happened before the process was kill. 
Does that thing exists?



When the script is killed by the system, does it exit with any kind of
error?
No

Your very vague in what your doing, but if it's some process running in 
a shell, you can maybe output the script to a text file like this,

> .txt

if you only want the errors, then
2 > .txt
that will at least save it.

John

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Re: [newbie] TightVNC

[Derek Jennings]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 2:18 pm, Michael Lothian wrote:
> Hi
>
> Does anyone know if it's possible to set vnc up so that the desktop I
> see on my pc is the same as the one I see on VNC
>
> Currently the only solution is having to seperate X servers running
>
> I use the following command:
>
> vncserver :1 -httpd /usr/share/vnc/classes &
>
> to get vnc up and running
>
> Any ideas anyone?
>
> Mike

Last time I looked rfbdrake allowed you to view the active screen over VNC 
(install rfbdrake RPM), and I think KDE desktop sharing will set it up too.
Not sure how to do it from the command line though.

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Re: [newbie] TightVNC

[Greg Meyer]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 09:18 am, Michael Lothian wrote:
> Hi
>
> Does anyone know if it's possible to set vnc up so that the desktop I
> see on my pc is the same as the one I see on VNC
>
> Currently the only solution is having to seperate X servers running
>
> I use the following command:
>
> vncserver :1 -httpd /usr/share/vnc/classes &
>
> to get vnc up and running
>
> Any ideas anyone?
>
You have to use rfbserver to set that up.  It uses the vnc client for access 
from the client machine.  You can set it up with rfbdrake, which should be on 
your Networking => Remote Access Menu and it is called Virtual Network 
Connection.
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[newbie] TightVNC

[Michael Lothian]

Hi

Does anyone know if it's possible to set vnc up so that the desktop I 
see on my pc is the same as the one I see on VNC

Currently the only solution is having to seperate X servers running

I use the following command:

vncserver :1 -httpd /usr/share/vnc/classes &

to get vnc up and running

Any ideas anyone?

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Re: [newbie] msec (originally Gcombust Question)

[HaywireMac]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:08:41 -0500
Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> I'm running a webserver just to learn how.  (aeis.tv)
> 
> I don't even know how to change the files served from the default
> /var/www, but don't change permissions or ownership without knowing
> why.
> 
> Anyone comment?  Should I keep msec?

Apache does a good job itself of keeping it's files and directories
safe, if you don't plan on making any changes (and you shouldn't, or
even need to), so removing msec is an option. Personally, though, I
would try to go the route of editing/creating the perm.local file, for
two reasons; learning how to deal with msec, *and* keeping your machine
as secure as possible until you truly understand how to deal with things
like permissions (chroot, etc.).

> Don't have a perm.local.

You can create one. MSEC will then look at that and override it's usual
"activities" with what it sees there.

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[newbie] broadband and stopping connection to internet at will

[L.V.Gandhi]

I have dial up account with an ISP. I am also going to get broadband cable 
connection from another. Is it possible to switch of connection to internet 
at will without physically removing cable connection by any software means? 
If so how? Any pointers please!
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[newbie] K3b .10-2

[Bryan Phinney]

For anyone that has a DVD-Burner and is looking for a GUI tool for burning, 
K3b has a new version out and they have added DVD-R/-RW/+R/+RW support to the 
tool.  You should simply need to download the new .rpm's linked on the site 
and install and you are up and running with the new version.

Not sure if they work with 9.2 but they certainly work on my 9.1 system.

On another note, the latest version of xcdroast also adds support for 
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Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms

[Derek Jennings]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 10:36 am, HaywireMac wrote:

> That's what I'm confused about too. I just got the MDK newsletter this
> AM, and it offers updated kernels without the "offending" modules. Do we
> have a chicken before the egg thing here? Maybe the safest install at
> this point would be a network-floppy install? Since the updated kernels
> will be on the mirrors, but not on the ISO's?

No they are not.

If you look at the 9.2 tree on the mirrors you will see that 
kernel-2.4.22-10mdk is in the 9.2 folder, if you do a network install you 
will be using the bad kernel and will kill your LG CD drive.

The new kernel is in updates which is too late to help a new install.

So just wait a bit until the new iso's are prepared if you have an LG Cdrom

(I hope they call the new image 9.2.1 or something. It would be totally 
confusing if they issued it with the same release number)

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Re: [newbie] MPAA and your computer

[Aronsmith]

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 03:44, HaywireMac wrote:
> Really great article over on Salon.com. You gotta look at a quick ad to
> read the whole article, but it's well worth it.
> 
> Quote:
> 
> "Fearful of piracy, the studios want the federal government to legislate
> how computers are made. Critics say such interference signals the end of
> the line for digital innovation."
> 
> Link:
> 
> http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/10/27/broadcast_flag/index.html
Kinda like the Mississippi Legislature which passed a law in the 20's
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Re: [newbie] Suggestions on Mandrake books

[Aronsmith]

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 03:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I looked high and low for a Mandrake-specific book. The only one I could
> find was "the Definitive Manual". I got it and it appears to be very
> comprehensive - but I have only looked at parts of it - not had it long
> enough to give an overall impression - but at least for my needs it is the
> only book in town.
> 
> You might want to check out one of the various linux command references. I
> have one that is cross-referenced to MS-DOS commands - useful if you know
> MS-DOS. However it is not a clearly laid out as one would hope, and as
> always the case, there are commands that I hear/read about that are not
> listed. Don't know if those are distribution-specific or not.
> 
> LeRoy
> 
> > I think its best for me to get a book to help me with learning mandrake
> > 9.1/linux in general. MI'm ccompletely new to linux and would say I'm an
> >  intermediate - advanced windows user. I'm bad with technical jargon
> > like  math books, so a nice easy guide would help me the best. Any
> > suggestions? How is the 'The Definitive Guide to Using Mandrake Linux' i
> >  see on their store web site?  I see that you can get the one with the
> > included cd's or dvd. Anyone have experience with those?
> > Thanks
> > boardrider
Rute Users Tutorial and Exposition by paul sheer ISBN 0-12-033351-4
39.95 and comes with CD (or you can Download it as a PDF file for free
at ://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] Very basic question, don't shoot me please

[charo]

HaywireMac wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:14:59 -0500
charo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

I have a very long process that is systematically killed by the
system. How can I know what is wrong with it? I know that works well
because when I run the script with a small number of files the process
exits successfully.


Without knowing what the process is, it's hard to say, but it could be
reaching some sort of limit, either in the script itself or a system
limit, like the size of a directory or partition, or running out of
memory.
You are rigth. It's reaching some sort of limit, but I don't know how to 
 output what was the problem. I guess I'm looking for some system call 
that could describe what happened before the process was kill. Does that 
thing exists?



When the script is killed by the system, does it exit with any kind of
error?
No



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Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms

[rquin66]

Once there is a new CD1 ISO, is there any method to shorten the download if
you have the MDK9.2 CD1 ISO already?
I'm thinking of wonderful "jigdo" utility for debian...

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Re: [newbie] Suggestions on Mandrake books

[Lee Wiggers]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:12:41 +
Kaj Haulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 28 October 2003 08:43 am, S. Wieland wrote:
> > I think its best for me to get a book to help me with learning
> > mandrake 9.1/linux in general. MI'm ccompletely new to linux
> > and would say I'm an intermediate - advanced windows user. I'm
> > bad with technical jargon like math books, so a nice easy
> > guide would help me the best. Any suggestions? How is the 'The
> > Definitive Guide to Using Mandrake Linux' i see on their store
> > web site?  I see that you can get the one with the included
> > cd's or dvd. Anyone have experience with those? Thanks
> > boardrider
> 
> As a personal oponion :
> 
> Forget "The definitive guide".
> 1. "Running Linux" (O'Reilly)
> 2. "Linux in a Nutshell" (O'Reilly).
> 
> HTH
> 
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Re: [newbie] msec (originally Gcombust Question)

[Lee Wiggers]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:28:12 -0500
HaywireMac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:55:46 -0500
> Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> 
> > Must be msec.  perms are back to root as we speak.  Can anyone
> > tell me how to make the changes stick?
> 
> edit (or create, if it's not already there):
> 
> /etc/security/msec/perm.local
> 
> more info:
> 
> http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/secure/smsec.html
> 
> you would have something like this in your perm.local file:
> 
> /path/to/file  user.group  [permissions]
> 
> where permissions are octal, like 644 or whatever is required.
> 
> Just out of curiosity, what security level are you at? If this is
> your workstation, you might want to consider lowering your
> security level.
> 
> *Some* people uninstall msec altogether. Unless you make it a
> habit of running around changing perms on random directories, it's
> not really necessary, esp if your machine is not running servers
> that need to be secured.
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I'm running a webserver just to learn how.  (aeis.tv)

I don't even know how to change the files served from the default
/var/www, but don't change permissions or ownership without knowing
why.

Anyone comment?  Should I keep msec?

Don't have a perm.local.

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RE: Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms

[falcaraz]

Thank you Anne, and sorry for the comment, in fact I have installed 9.2
in several computers, some of them with LG drivers, but dvd-cdrom and
cdrw, so I haven't had any problem and my laptop, for example, is runing
9.2 for a week without any problem (with 9.1 sometimes I had hang
opening the computer after a resume shutdown).

I know that LG is the problem, making cdrom drivers with bug, but the
people is looking the situation as if Mandrake were the responsible :-).

The most important thing is for Mandrake solve the problem in the boxes
and in the final download edition.

I hope a new iso for the first cd (iso-1) could be enought to solve the
problem.

Regards

Francisco Alcaraz

- Mensaje Original -
Remitente: Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fecha: Martes, Octubre 28, 2003 12:18 pm
Asunto: Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms

> On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 10:31 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > OK Anne, you can download the new kernel, but if you have one of
> > the affected LG's cdrom you still are under danger, because the
> > main installation of 9.2 will be made with the isos containing the
> > problematic kernel, don't you?
> >
> I don't know the answer to that one Francisco.  I don't know at 
> what 
> point the flush cache command occurs.  If it is at the end of the 
> install, then accepting an immediate update would fix it.  All I 
> know 
> is that things are definitely moving, and it will pay us to watch 
> very carefully for the next 24 hours or so until we really 
> understand 
> what the situation is.  HTH
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] Very basic question, don't shoot me please

[HaywireMac]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:14:59 -0500
charo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> 
> I have a very long process that is systematically killed by the
> system. How can I know what is wrong with it? I know that works well
> because when I run the script with a small number of files the process
> exits successfully.

Without knowing what the process is, it's hard to say, but it could be
reaching some sort of limit, either in the script itself or a system
limit, like the size of a directory or partition, or running out of
memory.

When the script is killed by the system, does it exit with any kind of
error?

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Re: [newbie] msec (originally Gcombust Question)

[HaywireMac]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:55:46 -0500
Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Must be msec.  perms are back to root as we speak.  Can anyone tell
> me how to make the changes stick?

edit (or create, if it's not already there):

/etc/security/msec/perm.local

more info:

http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/secure/smsec.html

you would have something like this in your perm.local file:

/path/to/file  user.group  [permissions]

where permissions are octal, like 644 or whatever is required.

Just out of curiosity, what security level are you at? If this is your
workstation, you might want to consider lowering your security level.

*Some* people uninstall msec altogether. Unless you make it a habit of
running around changing perms on random directories, it's not really
necessary, esp if your machine is not running servers that need to be
secured.

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RE: Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms

[falcaraz]

¡Great!


Thanks for the information, 
yours sincerely

Francisco Alcaraz
Murcia (Spain)

> 
> 
> "New CDs and ISOs will be available shortly"
> 
> derek
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Re: [newbie] Suggestions on Mandrake books

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 08:43 am, S. Wieland wrote:
> I think its best for me to get a book to help me with learning
> mandrake 9.1/linux in general. MI'm ccompletely new to linux
> and would say I'm an intermediate - advanced windows user. I'm
> bad with technical jargon like math books, so a nice easy
> guide would help me the best. Any suggestions? How is the 'The
> Definitive Guide to Using Mandrake Linux' i see on their store
> web site?  I see that you can get the one with the included
> cd's or dvd. Anyone have experience with those? Thanks
> boardrider

As a personal oponion :

Forget "The definitive guide".
1. "Running Linux" (O'Reilly)
2. "Linux in a Nutshell" (O'Reilly).

HTH

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Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms

[Derek Jennings]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 11:18 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 10:31 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > OK Anne, you can download the new kernel, but if you have one of
> > the affected LG's cdrom you still are under danger, because the
> > main installation of 9.2 will be made with the isos containing the
> > problematic kernel, don't you?
>
> I don't know the answer to that one Francisco.  I don't know at what
> point the flush cache command occurs.  If it is at the end of the
> install, then accepting an immediate update would fix it.  All I know
> is that things are definitely moving, and it will pay us to watch
> very carefully for the next 24 hours or so until we really understand
> what the situation is.  HTH
>
> Anne
Quote from the Mandrake errata page :-
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Re: [newbie] msec (originally Gcombust Question)

[Lee Wiggers]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:35:13 -
"Tony S. Sykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> msec?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Lee Wiggers
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday,
> October 28, 2003 11:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Gcombust Question
> 
> 
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:33:47 +
> John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Lee Wiggers wrote:
> > 
> > >I tried to burn a few .mp3's this morning with Gcombust and got
> > >the following:
> > >
> > >/usr//bin/cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open
> > >'/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
> > >/usr//bin/cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord
> > >-scanbus'. Make sure you are root.
> > >/usr//bin/cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try
> > >'cdrecord dev=help'.
> > >
> > >After cdrecord -scanbus (which located my scsi emulation) I
> > >tried again and got a burn, but unreadable.  Drive just churns
> > >on it.
> > >
> > But did you do anything with it,
> > Somewhere in Gcombust there is a tab "locate device" which sets
> > out to locate where your
> > device is located on the bus and set that a default. One problem
> > you may be experiencing, like me, is that depending how many USB
> > devices I have plugged in at the time,  the writer "goes walkies
> > around the bus" each time you boot up, it's easy enough to
> > rectify if you locate that tab I just mentioned.
> > 
> > Alternatively you can use xcdroast (on you 3 CD's somewhere)
> > which
> > 
> > automatically detects when something has changed on the bus and
> > gives you a warning message "something has changed on the bus"
> > or some such warning, and you can reselect the correct device in
> > settings.
> > 
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > -- 
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> Thank you both.
> 
> I burned with great success as root, then tried as user and got
> the same as before.
> 
> Simple.  Forgot to check permissions on CDrom.  Added user write
> permission and it works fine.  Probably didn't need to burn once
> in root, but now I'll never know.
> 
> It did point me where I should have been at the beginning though. 
> Could swear I checked permissions originally.  Maybe checked file
> and forgot dev.
> 
> ...Dang it, I know I checked dev.  Is there anything that would
> change it back when I wasn't looking?  Maybe I'm losing it?  Early
> senility?
> 
> Destined to die a newbie.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
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Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms

[Angus Auld]

Greetings, I was just perusing the Mandrake Linux 9.2- LG CR-ROM drives Errata 
found here: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/lgerrata.php3 
and I noticed what seems to be an error.

In the list of systems affected and their respective drives, the LG CRD-8482B 
(which is the model I have), is noted as having this problem in the Dell 
Precision 220; rom 1.05. 
However, in the list of affected drives, the LG CRD-8482B isn't listed, but, 
is instead listed in the UNaffected model list. Looks like maybe there needs 
to be an Errata of the Errata? :-)

Regards to all.

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[newbie] Very basic question, don't shoot me please

[charo]

Hi all,

I have a very long process that is systematically killed by the system. 
How can I know what is wrong with it? I know that works well because 
when I run the script with a small number of files the process exits 
successfully.

Thanks a lot,

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Re: [newbie] Suggestions on Mandrake books

[lduvall]

I looked high and low for a Mandrake-specific book. The only one I could
find was "the Definitive Manual". I got it and it appears to be very
comprehensive - but I have only looked at parts of it - not had it long
enough to give an overall impression - but at least for my needs it is the
only book in town.

You might want to check out one of the various linux command references. I
have one that is cross-referenced to MS-DOS commands - useful if you know
MS-DOS. However it is not a clearly laid out as one would hope, and as
always the case, there are commands that I hear/read about that are not
listed. Don't know if those are distribution-specific or not.

LeRoy

> I think its best for me to get a book to help me with learning mandrake
> 9.1/linux in general. MI'm ccompletely new to linux and would say I'm an
>  intermediate - advanced windows user. I'm bad with technical jargon
> like  math books, so a nice easy guide would help me the best. Any
> suggestions? How is the 'The Definitive Guide to Using Mandrake Linux' i
>  see on their store web site?  I see that you can get the one with the
> included cd's or dvd. Anyone have experience with those?
> Thanks
> boardrider




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[newbie] MPAA and your computer

[HaywireMac]

Really great article over on Salon.com. You gotta look at a quick ad to
read the whole article, but it's well worth it.

Quote:

"Fearful of piracy, the studios want the federal government to legislate
how computers are made. Critics say such interference signals the end of
the line for digital innovation."

Link:

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/10/27/broadcast_flag/index.html

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Re: [newbie] Slightly OT - procmail question, and a few tips

[robin]

HaywireMac wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:11:49 +0200
robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

I'm trying to work out how to get round the latest spamming technique
of putting umlauts above various letters to confuse spam filters. 
rc.mail is an ascii file, so I can't just paste, say, and e-umlaut
into it.

OTOH, I've recently come up with a recipe which gets rid of a lot of
spam:
:0
* ^Subject:.*\?[Ii][Ss][Oo]-8859*
 {
 LOG="ISO trick "
 :0
 /dev/null
 }
This gets round the spammers' trick of writing the subject header as 
character codes.  You can do similar ones for Big5 or whatever.


Hey d00d, thanks for the recipe. I notice in a lot of recipe's that line
LOG="", does that simply write a line to the procmail log, or do I need
a seperate logfile for those?
It just writes a comment to the procmail log.  It's not necessary, but 
useful for finding if your latest recipe works.
It would be nice to watch out for those in a tail window using grep for
the ="" contents like I do with mailfilter.
Cheers matey!

Oh, and your sig is driving me nuts, though I suppose it's been serving
it's purpose, it got me reading about Chomsky and Topological Dependency
Grammar...you are one nasty mofo. Redundant and contradictory at
the same time...evil.
It's more Austin than Chomsky - Chomsky wasn't that interested in the 
things language does.

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Re: [newbie] Gcombust Question

[John Richard Smith]

Lee Wiggers wrote:

 

Thank you both.

I burned with great success as root, then tried as user and got the
same as before.
Simple.  Forgot to check permissions on CDrom.  Added user write
permission and it works fine.  Probably didn't need to burn once in
root, but now I'll never know.
yep.

It did point me where I should have been at the beginning though. 
Could swear I checked permissions originally.  Maybe checked file
and forgot dev.

you probably did

...Dang it, I know I checked dev.  Is there anything that would
change it back when I wasn't looking?  Maybe I'm losing it?  Early
senility?
good question , I don't know, but I can say it has happened to me 
before, some permission changes don't seem to hold in gui route.

Destined to die a newbie.

Join the club

Thanks for the help.

Lee
   

John

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RE: [newbie] Gcombust Question

[Tony S. Sykes]

msec?

-Original Message-
From: Lee Wiggers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Gcombust Question


On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:33:47 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Lee Wiggers wrote:
> 
> >I tried to burn a few .mp3's this morning with Gcombust and got
> >the following:
> >
> >/usr//bin/cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open
> >'/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
> >/usr//bin/cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'.
> >Make sure you are root.
> >/usr//bin/cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try
> >'cdrecord dev=help'.
> >
> >After cdrecord -scanbus (which located my scsi emulation) I tried
> >again and got a burn, but unreadable.  Drive just churns on it.
> >
> But did you do anything with it,
> Somewhere in Gcombust there is a tab "locate device" which sets
> out to locate where your
> device is located on the bus and set that a default. One problem
> you may be experiencing, like me, is that depending how many USB
> devices I have plugged in at the time,  the writer "goes walkies
> around the bus" each time you boot up, it's easy enough to rectify
> if you locate that tab I just mentioned.
> 
> Alternatively you can use xcdroast (on you 3 CD's somewhere) which
> 
> automatically detects when something has changed on the bus and
> gives you a warning message "something has changed on the bus" or
> some such warning, and you can reselect the correct device in
> settings.
> 
> 
> John
> 
> -- 
> John Richard Smith
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Thank you both.

I burned with great success as root, then tried as user and got the
same as before.

Simple.  Forgot to check permissions on CDrom.  Added user write
permission and it works fine.  Probably didn't need to burn once in
root, but now I'll never know.

It did point me where I should have been at the beginning though. 
Could swear I checked permissions originally.  Maybe checked file
and forgot dev.

...Dang it, I know I checked dev.  Is there anything that would
change it back when I wasn't looking?  Maybe I'm losing it?  Early
senility?

Destined to die a newbie.

Thanks for the help.

Lee

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Re: [newbie] Gcombust Question

[Lee Wiggers]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:33:47 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Lee Wiggers wrote:
> 
> >I tried to burn a few .mp3's this morning with Gcombust and got
> >the following:
> >
> >/usr//bin/cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open
> >'/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
> >/usr//bin/cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'.
> >Make sure you are root.
> >/usr//bin/cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try
> >'cdrecord dev=help'.
> >
> >After cdrecord -scanbus (which located my scsi emulation) I tried
> >again and got a burn, but unreadable.  Drive just churns on it.
> >
> But did you do anything with it,
> Somewhere in Gcombust there is a tab "locate device" which sets
> out to locate where your
> device is located on the bus and set that a default. One problem
> you may be experiencing, like me, is that depending how many USB
> devices I have plugged in at the time,  the writer "goes walkies
> around the bus" each time you boot up, it's easy enough to rectify
> if you locate that tab I just mentioned.
> 
> Alternatively you can use xcdroast (on you 3 CD's somewhere) which
> 
> automatically detects when something has changed on the bus and
> gives you a warning message "something has changed on the bus" or
> some such warning, and you can reselect the correct device in
> settings.
> 
> 
> John
> 
> -- 
> John Richard Smith
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Thank you both.

I burned with great success as root, then tried as user and got the
same as before.

Simple.  Forgot to check permissions on CDrom.  Added user write
permission and it works fine.  Probably didn't need to burn once in
root, but now I'll never know.

It did point me where I should have been at the beginning though. 
Could swear I checked permissions originally.  Maybe checked file
and forgot dev.

...Dang it, I know I checked dev.  Is there anything that would
change it back when I wasn't looking?  Maybe I'm losing it?  Early
senility?

Destined to die a newbie.

Thanks for the help.

Lee

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Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 10:31 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> OK Anne, you can download the new kernel, but if you have one of
> the affected LG's cdrom you still are under danger, because the
> main installation of 9.2 will be made with the isos containing the
> problematic kernel, don't you?
>
I don't know the answer to that one Francisco.  I don't know at what 
point the flush cache command occurs.  If it is at the end of the 
install, then accepting an immediate update would fix it.  All I know 
is that things are definitely moving, and it will pay us to watch 
very carefully for the next 24 hours or so until we really understand 
what the situation is.  HTH

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Re: [newbie] grub & lilo

[John Richard Smith]

Frank wrote:

I'm starting to learn more about grub. And on a Mandrake system that 
means trouble for someone. 
I've used both grub and lilo, and cannot find much to choose between 
them, but mandrake tends to prefer lilo so I use that now days.



You see, I now have my primary disk exclusively Mandrake and though 
the first partition is /boot I have yet to see Lilo ala GUI perform 
reliably yet. The first screen always comes up OK
Called the splash scrre, and offers you choice of OS to boot

but when lilo moves on to the second screen, 
Do you mean the login screen, where you choose which person to log in as ?

well, I get to boot successfully usually after the third or fourth try. 
Form login, or the whole thing ?

How much memory ?
Sounds to me like maybe xwindows is failing maybe ?
Are you booting ked ?
John

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Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms

[HaywireMac]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:31:21 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> 
> OK Anne, you can download the new kernel, but if you have one of the
> affected LG's cdrom you still are under danger, because the main
> installation of 9.2 will be made with the isos containing the
> problematic kernel, don't you?

That's what I'm confused about too. I just got the MDK newsletter this
AM, and it offers updated kernels without the "offending" modules. Do we
have a chicken before the egg thing here? Maybe the safest install at
this point would be a network-floppy install? Since the updated kernels
will be on the mirrors, but not on the ISO's?

I'm pretty sure I'm not affected anyway, since my LG is a burner, but
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this one.

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Re: [newbie] Slightly OT - procmail question, and a few tips

[HaywireMac]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:11:49 +0200
robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> I'm trying to work out how to get round the latest spamming technique
> of putting umlauts above various letters to confuse spam filters. 
> rc.mail is an ascii file, so I can't just paste, say, and e-umlaut
> into it.
> 
> OTOH, I've recently come up with a recipe which gets rid of a lot of
> spam:
> 
> :0
> * ^Subject:.*\?[Ii][Ss][Oo]-8859*
>   {
>   LOG="ISO trick "
>   :0
>   /dev/null
>   }
> 
> This gets round the spammers' trick of writing the subject header as 
> character codes.  You can do similar ones for Big5 or whatever.

Hey d00d, thanks for the recipe. I notice in a lot of recipe's that line
LOG="", does that simply write a line to the procmail log, or do I need
a seperate logfile for those?

It would be nice to watch out for those in a tail window using grep for
the ="" contents like I do with mailfilter.

Cheers matey!

Oh, and your sig is driving me nuts, though I suppose it's been serving
it's purpose, it got me reading about Chomsky and Topological Dependency
Grammar...you are one nasty mofo. Redundant and contradictory at
the same time...evil.

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