Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6 *almost* trojaned

[Melissa Reese]

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Hi Chuck,

On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 9:22:26 PM PST, you wrote:

> There are probably not enough eyes to see all the holes...

Or maybe too many eyes looking in the wrong directions.  My sister
works at MS, and she's under the impression that everyone there is
cross-eyed. :-)

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Re: [newbie] Phoenix bios

[Chuck Vose]

One might try asking in the correct mailing list. Or as an alternative 
try googling for the answer since it's most likely already been asked 
about 400 times.




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Re: [newbie] many perl things broken

[Chuck Vose]

Symlinks are cake, do a `man ln`. You're looking for the -s option 
(Symbolic Link)

Basic usage in your case would be
ln -s /real/path/to/perl5.8.0 /usr/bin/perl5
It certainly looks like it's looking for perl 5.6.1, try the new symlink 
and see what happens.


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Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6 *almost* trojaned

[Chuck Vose]

HaywireMac wrote:

One thing that occurred to me, thinking about Eric's adage, there are
really *no* eyes on the Windows "kernel" (or whatever you call it). How
many unknown/deliberate backdoors could be in *there*?
 

Some time ago I was speaking to a MS employee at a party, he mentioned 
that MS was having a lot of trouble with people sabotaging their 
projects so that if it got transferred to another programmer group it 
wouldn't work quite right. They also had to ban backdoors because people 
were getting into other groups' projects and flaying them so they would 
seem less successful.
There are probably not enough eyes to see all the holes...


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[newbie] broken sym links (was many perl things broken)

[Richard Babcock]

here is what I found
#ls -la /usr/bin/perl
#lrwxrwxrwx1 root root5 Nov  3 07:23 
/usr/bin/perl -> perl5
#ls -la /usr/bin/perl5
#lrwxrwxrwx1 root root9 Nov  3 07:22 
/usr/bin/perl5 -> perl5.6.1
#locate perl5.6.1
#(nothing)
#locate perl5.
#/usr/bin/sperl5.8.0
#/usr/bin/perl5.8.0

does this mean that the symlink is looking for 5.6.1 and I only 
have 5.8.0?
is it easy to change or replace the symlink?
tia
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Re: [newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?

[rikona]

Hello Phil,

Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 7:58:00 PM, you wrote:

PN> And how long will it be before all these car owners will have to
PN> pay a yearly license fee to M$?  or  What happens if you swap
PN> engines?

PN> I don't get these business egg-heads - the _proven_ most reliable 
PN> operating system on the planet is *Free* and they choose to go with the 
PN> _proven_ most bug-ridden software available and pay through the nose for 
PN> it!!!  Brother...

Simple. M$ has an army of smooth talking con... errr sales men,
complete with lots of expensive entertainment and slick presentations.
Linux does not. No contest. This way, they don't have to think, and
nobody's head rolls when these things happen.

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Re: [newbie] Linux Power Tools (WAS Good Article on Linux Filesystems)

[dfox]

Somebody scribbled about [newbie] Linux Power Tools (WAS Good Article on 
Linux Filesystems)
>One thing that's a rarity in the part of Canada that I live in is a book
> that acknowledges that Mandrake even exists.  So you can imagine my
> delight when the cover of a recent release by Sybex called Linux Power

If this is anything like Unix Power Tools put out a few years ago by 
O'Reilly -- it's a must have.

>John

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Re: [newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 10:45 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:

> I heard about that one but I never did see the news releases on it.
> Have you still got a link or two to that story?
>
> LX

Hey Lyvim!

As usual several sources covered it, but here is a pretty good one:

http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2.htm

BTW - still can't get an e-mail thru to your yahoo account - bounces like one 
of my $10,000 personal checks... :-)

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[newbie] testing.

[dfox]

this is a test.. smtp.tsoft.com outbound gateway

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[newbie] LG has posted Firmware Fixes for Bum Drives

[Greg Meyer]

It looks as though LG has posted revised firmware for affected drives and also 
published a method for reflashing already dead ones.

Point your browser to http://us.lgservice.com/ 

click Device Driver icon 
click CD-ROM link

The first hit is "Emergency download for Physical Dead Drive from Mandrake 
Linux 9.2"

There is a .gif attached that explains how to reflash the drives.

There are also firmware upgrades for 9 drive models.  WDYT?
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Re: [newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?

[Phil Newcombe]

Todd Slater wrote:

This was a good chuckle. USA Today has a piece about problems with the
computers in certain BMW's--a cd player that spits cd's at passengers,
engines that shut down while running at highway speeds etc. Now, didn't
BMW choose Microsoft for that system?
Oh, and if you want to fix your beamer, you have to sign an NDA!! (Is
that BMW or M$ talking?) 

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-11-11-carrepairs_x.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/mar02/03-04BMWpr.asp

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And how long will it be before all these car owners will have to pay a 
yearly license fee to M$?  or  What happens if you swap engines?

I don't get these business egg-heads - the _proven_ most reliable 
operating system on the planet is *Free* and they choose to go with the 
_proven_ most bug-ridden software available and pay through the nose for 
it!!!  Brother...

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Re: [newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 14:52, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 November 2003 08:41 am, Todd Slater wrote:
> > This was a good chuckle. USA Today has a piece about problems with the
> > computers in certain BMW's--a cd player that spits cd's at passengers,
> > engines that shut down while running at highway speeds etc. Now, didn't
> > BMW choose Microsoft for that system?
> >
> > Oh, and if you want to fix your beamer, you have to sign an NDA!! (Is
> > that BMW or M$ talking?)
> >
> > http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-11-11-carrepairs_x.htm
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/mar02/03-04BMWpr.asp
> >
> > Todd
> 
> Todd, thats hilarious! Reminds me of the US Navy cruiser that went dead in the 
> water (defenseless, literally) for hours when they were using Windows NT. :-)

I heard about that one but I never did see the news releases on it. 
Have you still got a link or two to that story?

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[newbie] mirror speed checker

[Phil Newcombe]

Hi all.

Here's a bash script I found looking for something that would poll 
(ping) Mandrake mirrors and return the result rated by speed like 
apt-netselect does in Debian.  I hacked it up a bit to make it work with 
the mirror list (README_mirrors) and I'm no guru so.

The author has a version 2 that is easy to find on google but this one 
worked for me.  The mirror list is below the script (130 lines) - I 
copied the Mandrake web page and cut it up in a text editor (in Mandrake 
9.2  :-)  ).  

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###

#!/bin/sh

# sort_mirrors_by_speed by A.Mennucci Nov 97
#
# this program is subject to the
#  GNU general public license
#
# this program will scan the file in $1 using
#  grep "\.[a-zA-Z]*:" $1 | awk '{print $1}'
#  to find mirror site host names.
#
#  the string before the  :  character is considered to be a
#   mirror site host name
#
#  Mirror sites are pinged and statistics  are collected and sorted
#
if [ "$1" = "-h" -o "$1" = "--help" ] ; then
echo Usage: $0 mirrorfile
echo " Argument must be the file README.mirrors "
echo "  containing a list of debian mirrors."
echo " This program will ping all mirrors with 4 packets"
echo "  to test their speed and reliability, and then will "
echo "  sort the result, put it in file mirrors_by_speed and show the 
best."
exit 0
fi

tmpdir=~/tmp

# warning: using the directory /tmp and running this script
# as root is a potential security problem
if ! [ -w  $tmpdir ] ; then
echo $0 ERROR dir $tmpdir is not writable
echo please create it if it does not exist
exit 1
fi
if [ ! -r "$1" -o "$1" = "" ] ; then
echo $0 ERROR Give as argument the file README.mirrors
echo "  containing a list of debian mirrors"
exit 1
fi
if [ -r mirrors_by_speed ] ; then
 echo $0 ERROR the file  mirrors_by_speed already exists
 exit 1
fi
#touch $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed 

n=0

echo -n "Testing "
grep "[a-zA-Z]" $1 | awk '{print $1}' | wc --lines | tr "\n" " "
echo " debian mirror sites for speed and reliability."
echo -n "Tests done : "
#for i in ` grep "[a-zA-Z]*:" $1 | awk '{print $1}' ` ;
for i in `grep "[a-z]*" $1 | cut -d"/" -f 1 | awk '{print $1}' ` ;
do
 n=`expr $n + 1 `
  (
  h=$n
  #echo TEST $h for  $i
  #if ping -c 6 `echo "$i" | cut -d: -f 1` > $tmpdir/ping$$_$h;
   if ping -c 6 `echo "$i"` > $tmpdir/ping$$_$h;
   then grep "rtt" $tmpdir/ping$$_$h | cut -d"/" -f 5 | tr "\n" " " > 
$tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
   echo -n " ms AVERAGE ," >> $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
   grep "received" $tmpdir/ping$$_$h | cut -d"," -f 3 | tr "\n" "," >> 
$tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
   echo " SITE $i" >> $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
   #cat $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
   cat $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h >> mirrors_by_speed
   rm $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
  fi
  rm $tmpdir/ping$$_$h
  echo -n "$h "
  ) &
  # we do not want to flood the net; we test 30 sites at a time
  # then we wait 8 seconds so that most of the pings will be done
  if [ `expr $n % 30 ` = 0 ] ; then sleep 8 ; fi
 
done
wait
echo "."
echo "Fastest mirrors are: "
mv mirrors_by_speed mirrors_by_speed~
sort -n mirrors_by_speed~ > mirrors_by_speed
head  mirrors_by_speed

# end of script

  README.mirrors  #

ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.tugraz.at/mirror/Mandrake-linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.univie.ac.at/systems/linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.belnet.be/packages/mandrake/9.2/i586/
mirror.fis.unb.br/pub/linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
gulus.usherb.ca/pub/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.ucr.ac.cr/pub/Unix/linux/mandrake/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.cesnet.cz/OS/Linux/Mandrake/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
mandrake.contactel.cz/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Mandrake/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.darenet.dk/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.sunsite.dk/mirrors/mandrake/9.2/i586/
klid.dk/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
www.klid.dk/sw/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.aso.ee/pub/os/Linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.song.fi/pub/linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/unix/linux/distributions/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.cs.univ-paris8.fr/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.ens-cachan.fr/mirror/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/mandrake/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.u-strasbg.fr/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.univ-lille1.fr/pub/os/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/
linux.ups-tlse.fr/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
med.univ-angers.fr/pub/mirror/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.de.uu.net/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.fh-giessen.de/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.fh-wolfenbuettel.de/pub/os/linux/mandrake/dist/9.2/i586/
ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/os/unix/linux/Mandrake/Mandra

[newbie] OT-Kind of - Attempt to insert backdoor into Linux kernal

[Chris]

Although this is not Mandrake related, I feel its worth posting the link to 
the story.  This was posted in the Risks Digest:

On 5 Nov 2003, an attempt to insert a very cleverly crafted backdoor into
Linux was averted.  This is a really good example of the subtle kinds of
hacks a source code examiner must be waiting to catch if we want genuinely
secure voting systems under the current model of proprietary DRE systems
with a closed-door source code examination.

Someone broke into a server at kernel.kbits.net and inserted the following
code into the Linux kernel:

if ((options == (__WCLONE|__WALL)) && (current->uid = 0))

retval = -EINVAL;
For the complete story of this attack on Linux, including the actual E-mail
exchange documenting the discovery of the attack, see:

http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/1584
Linux: Kernel "Back Door" Attempt

This attack has only made the mainstream media in one place, so far:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/07/1068013371170.html
Bid to backdoor Linux kernel detected - smh.com.au

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Re: [newbie] Installing 'un-official' mdk rpm's

[Phil Newcombe]

Derek Jennings wrote:

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 3:08 am, Phil Newcombe wrote:
 

Hi all

Thanks for the help on rpmdrake.  Now I have another question.  What's
the best way of installing an un-official mandrake rpm.  I am trying to
get gaim to work with msn now that they have apparently tinkered with
the protocol.  The gaim website says it should work with a version
>7.1.  They have a dl link that has a 7.2 mdk rpm at the top of the

list so I grabbed that but now it won't install because of dep
problems.  Can I use urpmi, rpm, rpmdrake or anything else to install
this?  Either command line or gui?
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If you want gaim to work with msn, then Texstar has gaim-0.71 for Mandrake 
9.1, and Charles Edwards has gaim-0.71 for Mandrake 9.2/Cooker
http://www.eslrahc.com/
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms/

Texstar is urpmi enabled. For Charles' package just click on it using 
konqueror and the magic of gurpmi will take over.

derek
 

Thanks - I'll try that as soon as my daughter lets me on the computer.  ;-)

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[newbie] NEC versa E600 laptop install.

[Aidan Holmes]

Hi group!

I have sucessfully installed Mandrake 9.2 on the home pc, and managed 
to convince my wife to let me put it on her work laptop. We formatted 
last night and re-installed XP home on one half of the disk, then ran 
the mandrake disks, installing linux on the other half (10 gig each)

The installation goes fine, but then when I reboot to run it for the 
first time things go wrong. As the system boots up, the progress bar 
freezes approx 2/3 of the way along. When I restart and press 'esc' for 
verbose mode, I see all the things I see on my desktop machine - all 
the devices and services that it starts, then it starts scrolling 
through lines and lines of text, too fast for me to read in detail. The 
text takes the following approximate form:

[] ??? [supermount]

the "cea17814" is constantly changing, this is just one I managed to 
read as it flew past. The "supermount" also often says "kernel" and as 
for the question marks, I can't pause the screen so I'll never know 
what that says. The longest I have left this screen scrolling past is 
half an hourwith no progress.

The versa E600 is a pentium4 1.9GHZ mobile with 256M RAM. The graphics 
card is an ATI raedon 340M (as recognized in Windoze). This is the only 
thing I can think of that would trip the computer up. On the final 
options screen, the X server is not configured like it was with my 
desktop. I go through and give it the following options:
"Flatpanel 1024X768" and graphics card "raedon" under "ati" - it had no 
option for the raedon 340M or anything else closer. Could this be the 
problem, and is it possible to finish setup with out configuring the X 
server?

Has this happened to anyone else?

Any / all suggestions greatly appreciated.

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Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !

[Roland Hughes]

That's only because they want 98 to be able to get worm's etc, like 2k and xp.
Roly

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 03:01 pm, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
> At 01:56 PM 11/12/2003, Anne Wilson said something remarkably like (but
>
> somehow subtly different from):
> >And don't forget to tell them that all support/updates/fixes for 98
> >have ceased.
>
> Ummm...No. They just released fixes for Win98 again.
>
> Regards,

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Re: [newbie] Reality or Urban Legend

[Roland Hughes]

My experience is  - no upgrades, tried one and it was crappy,  and I installed 
it on 5 PC's with only minor problems but when I went to upgrade a friends 
computer that had been running 9.1 fine it seemed fine and I left it doing 
updates and when it finished it totally crapped out kde and Gnome. He now 
wants to go back to 9.1 but I have not been able to get back and take a look 
at it yet.
Roly

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 09:40 am, Greg Meyer wrote:
> Is 9.2 being difficult to install really true, or is it just an urban
> legend? My personal experience is that it is a piece of cake, but I leave
> open the possibility that others have had significant problems.
>
> I have now installed it on 3 different desktop systems and my Thinkpad and
> all is well.

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Re: [newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?

[Aron Smith]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 03:20 pm, John Wilson wrote:
> On November 12, 2003 05:41 am, Todd Slater wrote:
> > This was a good chuckle. USA Today has a piece about problems with the
> > computers in certain BMW's--a cd player that spits cd's at passengers,
> > engines that shut down while running at highway speeds etc. Now, didn't
> > BMW choose Microsoft for that system?
> >
> > Oh, and if you want to fix your beamer, you have to sign an NDA!! (Is
> > that BMW or M$ talking?)
> >
> > http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-11-11-carrepairs_x.htm
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/mar02/03-04BMWpr.asp
> >
> > Todd
>
> Ahhh, ain't M$ grand!  Pay $80,000 for a shiny new beamer and it dies
> because CE hiccups.  Can you imagine that happening on one of the freeways
> around LA?
>
> 
>
> Though I have heard that BMW is going to dump CE.  I wonder why?
>
> ttfn
>
> John
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[newbie] SpamAssassin and DNS Black Lists

[Bryan Phinney]

In case anyone is using SpamAssassin and wants to increase their use of the 
available DNS Blacklists, I have a configuration file that I can make 
available that includes connections to some of the blacklists that I find to 
be more valuable.  These include SPEWS, SORBS, Easynet, Blackholes.us, 
Spamcop and some others.  Some of these blacklists were removed from current 
version of SpamAssassin because the original locations, like OSIRUSOFT went 
offline due to DDOS attacks by spammers.  I have found some new locations for 
those so that I can continue to benefit from the blacklists that were so 
effective that spammers actually hired virus writers to shut them down.

You can adjust the scores to your desired level depending on how much you 
trust the blacklist in question.  Thus, a lower score will reduce the 
importance of that particular list, a higher score will increase its 
relevance. You just edit the .cf file and then copy it into 
/etc/mail/spamassassin, restart SA and watch it start to work.

I have found this blackhole list especially useful in targeting direct to MX 
spam from compromised zombie windows machines on DSL and Cable networks.  If 
anyone would like a copy, let me know.  If you are not running SpamAssassin, 
I am afraid that this configuration file will do you no good.

Using this .cf along with a couple of edits to the local.cf file that place a 
higher score on html only mail among other body checks, I have gotten only 
one false negative out of some 4000 spam messages over the last two weeks and 
no false positives at all.  (I do have a whitelist of commercial merchants 
that I actually expect to send me html mail).  

The file is attached below:

#dnsbl.cf - Place this file in /etc/mail/spamassassin/dnsbl.cf
#Note that files are loaded in alphabetical order, any entries in local.cf 
#will override the entries in this configuration file.
# EASYNET_NL is the Easynet.nl List: http://blackholes.easynet.nl .
header RCVD_IN_EASY rbleval:check_rbl('relay', 'blackholes.easynet.nl.')
describe RCVD_IN_EASY   Received via EASYed relay, see 
http://blackholes.easynet.nl
tflags RCVD_IN_EASY  

# use *.blackholes.us DNSBL's
# $Id: blackholes.cf,v 1.2 2002/08/07 06:23:58 pancrace Exp $
header RCVD_IN_ARGENTINAeval:check_rbl('country', 'argentina.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_ARGENTINA  Received from Argentina
header RCVD_IN_BRAZIL   eval:check_rbl('country', 'brazil.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_BRAZIL Received from Brazil
header RCVD_IN_CHINAeval:check_rbl('country', 'china.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_CHINA  Received from China
header RCVD_IN_JAPANeval:check_rbl('country', 'japan.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_JAPAN  Received from Japan
header RCVD_IN_KOREAeval:check_rbl('country', 'korea.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_KOREA  Received from Korea
header RCVD_IN_NIGERIA  eval:check_rbl('country', 'nigeria.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_NIGERIAReceived from Nigeria
header RCVD_IN_RUSSIA   eval:check_rbl('country', 'russia.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_RUSSIA Received from Russia
header RCVD_IN_SINGAPOREeval:check_rbl('country', 'singapore.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_SINGAPORE  Received from Singapore
header RCVD_IN_TAIWAN   eval:check_rbl('country', 'taiwan.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_TAIWAN Received from Taiwan
header RCVD_IN_THAILAND eval:check_rbl('country', 'thailand.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_THAILAND   Received from Thailand

score RCVD_IN_ARGENTINA 2.0
score RCVD_IN_BRAZIL2.0
score RCVD_IN_CHINA 2.0
score RCVD_IN_JAPAN 2.0
score RCVD_IN_KOREA 2.0
score RCVD_IN_NIGERIA   2.0
score RCVD_IN_RUSSIA2.0
score RCVD_IN_SINGAPORE 2.0
score RCVD_IN_TAIWAN2.0
score RCVD_IN_THAILAND  2.0

header RCVD_IN_BROADWINGeval:check_rbl('isp', 'broadwing.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_BROADWING  Received from Broadwing network space
header RCVD_IN_CIBERLYNXeval:check_rbl('isp', 'ciberlynx.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_CIBERLYNX  Received from Ciberlynx network space
header RCVD_IN_CW   eval:check_rbl('isp', 'cw.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_CW Received from Cable and Wireless network space
header RCVD_IN_ELI  eval:check_rbl('isp', 'eli.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_ELIReceived from ELI network space
header RCVD_IN_EPOCHeval:check_rbl('isp', 'epoch.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_EPOCH  Received from Epoch network space
header RCVD_IN_HE   eval:check_rbl('isp', 'he.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_HE Received from Hurricane Electric network space
header RCVD_IN_INFLOW   eval:check_rbl('isp', 'inflow.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_I

Re: [newbie] Reality or Urban Legend

[Dennis Myers]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 12:02 pm, Jerry Barton wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:40:52 -0500
>
> Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Is 9.2 being difficult to install really true, or is it just an urban
> > legend?  My personal experience is that it is a piece of cake, but I
> > leave open the possibility that others have had significant problems.
> >
> > I have now installed it on 3 different desktop systems and my Thinkpad
> > and all is well.
>
> Installation went fine for me.  Very easy and boring.  It was actually
> booting it that became dificult.  I have to boot into failsafe then
> telinit 3 otherwise it gets stuck when replaying the journal for some
> odd reason.  (it still replays the journal when booting into failsafe
> but it doesn't get stuck).  Anyone else had this happen?  Any ideas on a
> fix/workaround?  TIA
>
> Jerry.
Installed on three computers one was clean the other two updates, nothing to 
report. Smooth as silk. I may find something later on, but for now the only 
problem I had was the LG thing and I solved that by putting in two DVDRoms. 
Now I can watch DVDs with xine and even do screen capture. Mercy, I do love 
linux.
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Re: [newbie] ADSL Itex driver for Mandrake 9.0?

[PRAEst76]

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 8:58 pm, Paolo Bonavoglia wrote:

>  Does anyone know a working driver for this unfortunate ADSL card?
>  Obviously I mean a driver which works with Mandrake 9.0 and kernel
> 2.4.19.

Many of these ADSL modems are well closed source as another responder says and 
next to impossible to get working, particularly if you are a 'newbie'. I had 
an Alcatouch Speedmodem 330 (ugly beetle looking thing) that my ISP gave me 
when I signed up. Drivers existed for the standard Speedtough that would work 
with some poking apparently but getting the 330 to work seemed like a MAJOR 
headache. Often with linux I find it more frustration to be told something 
MAY work rather than being told it won't because i usually envisage weeks of 
stress messing aroudn with drivers and kernel patches that usually result in 
me needing ot reinstall my system again from scratch...

Someone gave me their old D-Link DSL-300+g ADSL modem that connects up to the 
ethernet port managing the whole connection on it's onw which made my life SO 
much easier I wish to unplug it at night so i can take it ot be with me. 
Which would sadly mean dropping the connection... unless I got some extension 
cable...

Anyway I reccomend it or something similar. Often in the end it saves a lot of 
headaches, unless banging away at a peice of uncompatable hardware in the 
hope of proving the naysayers wrong is your bag :) (It has it's merits, i got 
my 'paperweight' printer working under linux despite being told it won't work 
many times)

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Re: [newbie] Reality or Urban Legend

[Jerry Barton]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:40:52 -0500
Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is 9.2 being difficult to install really true, or is it just an urban
> legend?  My personal experience is that it is a piece of cake, but I
> leave open the possibility that others have had significant problems.
> 
> I have now installed it on 3 different desktop systems and my Thinkpad
> and all is well.

Installation went fine for me.  Very easy and boring.  It was actually
booting it that became dificult.  I have to boot into failsafe then
telinit 3 otherwise it gets stuck when replaying the journal for some
odd reason.  (it still replays the journal when booting into failsafe
but it doesn't get stuck).  Anyone else had this happen?  Any ideas on a
fix/workaround?  TIA

Jerry.

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Re: [newbie] Great Interview with RMS

[RichardA]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:09:19 -0500, "Ronald J. Hall"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 November 2003 08:45 am, HaywireMac wrote:
> > Stallman's answers really strike a chord with me, though I have to
> > say I think his stance on Debian is a bit much.
> >
> > Anyway, he has some interesting things to say about DRM, Free
> > Software, and the linkage between software and politics.
> >
> > http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=260
> >
> > Can FS users be "apolitical", can we separate politics from our
> > choice of an OS? Or maybe the question should be, can we *risk*
> > being apolitical when our choice of OS is "under attack" so to
> > speak?
> 
> I was fortunate enough to hear RMS speak on a Linux Lunacy tour a few
> years ago. Awesome stuff, I was really impressed.

Saw him in Sheffield a few weeks ago. He spoke for nearly two hours
without notes, and without hesitation, repetition or deviation.

Unfortunately the talk was about European Software Patents, which is
inherently boring, but even so I'm glad I saw him.

I'd hoped to smuggle my five month old daughter in, in case some of the
genius rubbed off, but she's discovered yodelling.

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Re: [newbie] 9.2 minor niggles

[Greg Meyer]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:28 pm, Margot wrote:
> I can't get the 'Lock Screen' button to work - little blue button with a
> white padlock. Click on it and nothing happens! I used to use this a
> lot, when leaving the computer unattended while something is running -
> essential feature for cat-owners!

I just added it to my kicker and it works here.  Try removing it and adding it 
again.  Right click on kicker and choose add => applet and select 
'lock/logout applet'
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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries

[Bryan Phinney]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 04:41 pm, Melissa Reese wrote:

> I can go along with "Doing is the quickest way to learning", and in
> fact would take it further and say that it can, very often anyway, be
> a more "in depth and complete" path to learning...though in some
> cases, not necessarily quicker. This, of course, can depend on what it
> is one really has the desire to learn. When it comes to computers and
> my use of them, I often feel like I'm "caught between a wimpy and a
> geeky place". :-)

Well, I don't consider myself to be a geek necessarily although perhaps 
slightly more geeky than some others.  You don't necessarily have to go that 
deep to administer Linux, there are a lot of tools that will ease the process 
for you.  Enough so that if your needs are fairly limited, Linux out of the 
box at list with Mandrake might suit you very well.

> To some degree, I really do enjoy mucking about with the inner
> workings of my OS (currently, of course, Windows) and the certain
> programs I use for this or that *when necessary*, but there's also an
> entirely practical reason for me to appreciate whatever I find to be
> "practical and expedient". I don't do any "work" on a computer
> (meaning that I don't use a computer for my job...never have, and
> hopefully never will, being a musician who plays on 300 year old
> wooden instruments), nor do I "work with" computers themselves *as any
> sort of a job* (though, when dealing with helping my mother with hers,
> it can sometimes feel that way!). By choice, I have a busy life, and
> while my computer is a wonderful tool for me for communications,
> research, a bit of chess playing/learning, and for my daily journal
> writing, my other interests demand much more of my time and energies.

Obviously, I work with computers so my interests are different although there 
are an awful lot of "computer" people that do nothing with computers after 
they leave work and have no interest in delving into anything computer 
related outside of work.  So, there you are not all that different perhaps.

> In the philosophical/political sense, I certainly favor the "Linux
> way" over the "Windows way"...no question about that. On the practical
> side, however, I guess I can be a bit more, well, practical and
> expedient when it comes to my personal computer usage and the time I
> spend on this or that aspect of it. 

My own interest is eminently practical and almost not at all philosophical.  I 
value freedom to do the things that I want to do and do not wish to let 
anyone dictate what I can do with my computer based on the premise that they 
can't figure out how to make money off of it.  Some might describe that as a 
philosophy but I regard it as practicality.

> My interest in Linux is not in any 
> way related to an overwhelming urge to "get down and geeky" with it.
> In addition to my philosophical/political leanings, which I admit I
> can be persuaded to compromise when it comes to favoring one OS over
> another, I'm interested to see *what a Linux distro and its associated
> programs can do for me* in terms of my needs for this type of tool.

The good news is that it can do almost anything that you want it to do.  The 
bad news is that you definitely have to pay some price for wanting to do some 
things, be that material or time or work.

> That said, and I'm sure this will seem like heresy to some here, I'm
> currently very pleased with how WinXP, and the programs I use on it
> (mostly non-MS software) is/are working for me.

Actually, I thought that WinXP was a pretty good OS myself, if you disregard 
the security holes, straightjacket UI, and general bloat.  My concerns lie 
more with what I can't see versus what I do see.  However, MS has embarked on 
a path to close their system up and to extract ever greater revenues for 
those that stay on that system and I definitely don't want to be a part of 
that.  There is a lot of deals with the devil going on in the background 
there and no matter how it ultimately turns out, I trust the Linux community 
with my interests much more than I do corporate management.  It is not so 
much where I want to go today as where MS wants to drag me tomorrow.

> Just as a small example...
>
> I deal with a lot of email, and I'm quite particular about the type of
> "power" I expect in terms of both email management and composition.
> After trying and using just about every email client available for
> Windows (including those that have Linux based counterparts), I've
> found my current Windows email client (The Bat!) to be my "dream come
> true" email handler, and anything in Linux that might replace it would
> have to be *very impressive indeed* for me to consider a complete
> switch to a Linux-only client. 

I have never used The Bat!, Eudora was my favored email client before I 
switched to Linux which was quite a while ago now that I think about it.  I 
use Kmail now and am quite happy with it but a lot of stuff that I do with 

Re: [newbie] Linux in Thailand

[Kevin B. O'Brien]

At 04:44 PM 11/12/2003, Merlin Zener said something remarkably like (but 
somehow subtly different from):

http://www.linuxinsider.com/perl/story/32110.html

just thought a few ppl here might be slightly interested :)
It was interesting, and it echoes something I have been saying. The 
"conventional wisdom" is that Linux is only for the most experienced PC 
users, and that people who are new to computers should stick to Windows. I 
have maintained that the opposite is true now: the experienced users will 
have problems because it isn't what they are used to, but newbies will do fine.

Regards,



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Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !

[Kevin B. O'Brien]

At 01:56 PM 11/12/2003, Anne Wilson said something remarkably like (but 
somehow subtly different from):

And don't forget to tell them that all support/updates/fixes for 98
have ceased.
Ummm...No. They just released fixes for Win98 again.

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[newbie] Timidity++

[Scott Naylor]

I'm having far too many problems trying to get my interfaces working. I have 
enabled all of the interfaces during ./configure and they appear on timidity 
-h but none of them work. Some of them will launch, but won't do anything 
else. I mainly want the timidity -ia interface working. Does anyone have an 
idea of what might be going on?


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Re: [newbie] 9.2 minor niggles

[Margot]

Greg Meyer wrote:
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:28 pm, Margot wrote:

I can't get the 'Lock Screen' button to work - little blue button with a
white padlock. Click on it and nothing happens! I used to use this a
lot, when leaving the computer unattended while something is running -
essential feature for cat-owners!


I just added it to my kicker and it works here.  Try removing it and adding it 
again.  Right click on kicker and choose add => applet and select 
'lock/logout applet'
Tried that, but it still isn't working. The 'logout' applet is working 
fine, but the applet for 'lock' doesn't work from the Start Applications 
menu either.

Link missing from button to command maybe? I have no idea what the 
command might be, or how to reset the missing link!


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Re: [newbie] 9.2 minor niggles

[Margot]

Glenn wrote:
On Wed November 12 2003 13:28, Margot wrote:


Huge ugly icons in the KDE Kicker bar - I've played around with desktop
themes etc, and managed to shrink the icons on the main desktop, but the
 kicker icons are still enormous. Is it possible to resize them?


Hope I'm not misunderstanding the problem.  Right-click on the Kicker panel, 
click on "Configure Panel", then in the Arrangement tab you can pick the icon 
size on the bottom left.

Brilliant! That is exactly what I wanted - icons now successfully 
reduced to sensible size. Many thanks.


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Re: [newbie] 9.2 minor niggles

[Greg Meyer]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:28 pm, Margot wrote:
> I can't get the 'Lock Screen' button to work - little blue button with a
> white padlock. Click on it and nothing happens! I used to use this a
> lot, when leaving the computer unattended while something is running -
> essential feature for cat-owners!

I just added it to my kicker and it works here.  Try removing it and adding it 
again.  Right click on kicker and choose add => applet and select 
'lock/logout applet'
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[newbie] mailman issues... using seperate web/mail servers.

[Franki]

Hello guys,

I am relatively new to mailman, but for the last year or so I have run 
several lists using it...

I recently split my web server and mail server up, (they were previously 
on the same machine,  now they are on the same internal network, but 
different machines.)

Mailman is the only thing I've not been able to sort out with this new 
setup..

I setup postfix on the new server and installed mailman. (2.1.2) with no 
probs.. I then set relayhost in that postfix to use the real mail server 
for any mail to go out...

Then on the old machine which is now just the mail server, but used to 
be both web and mail, I changed the aliases for mailman in 
/etc/postfix/aliases so that instead of piping commands to the mailman 
binary, they instead directed list posts to the web servers postfix (I 
used a fake internal domain "internal.com" for the web servers postfx 
mydestination and added it to the hosts file of both machines)

Then on the web server, I put the real mailman aliases that pipe to the 
mailman binary..

This seems something of a mess..  and I'm also having a problem that 
internal.com is resolved via dns to an external site  (who'd have 
thought :-) postfix seesm to ignore the hosts entries (and the 
/var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts) entries and is just using dns to resolve, 
(even though resolv.conf and hosts.conf are set to seach locally first)..

Anyway, after much scratching of my head, searching the net, reading 
mailman docs I am not really any closer to getting this working...

I am not a postfix guru (or any MTA for that matter.) so I am not even 
sure how I should be naming an internal mailserver that only has access 
to the external net via my real mail server.

Can you guys give me any pointers as to the best way I can achive this???

kindest regards

Franki





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[newbie] Linux in Thailand

[Merlin Zener]

http://www.linuxinsider.com/perl/story/32110.html


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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries

[Melissa Reese]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Bryan,

On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 4:28:08 AM PST, you wrote:

> It would possibly provide more certainty but you would be robbing
> yourself of a prime learning opportunity. The question is, do you
> want to remain dependent upon others or gain the knowledge for
> yourself. Doing is the quickest way to learning.

Thanks Bryan, for all your comments.  I'm a bit short on time at the
moment, so I'll only comment on the above for now...

I can go along with "Doing is the quickest way to learning", and in
fact would take it further and say that it can, very often anyway, be
a more "in depth and complete" path to learning...though in some
cases, not necessarily quicker. This, of course, can depend on what it
is one really has the desire to learn. When it comes to computers and
my use of them, I often feel like I'm "caught between a wimpy and a
geeky place". :-)

To some degree, I really do enjoy mucking about with the inner
workings of my OS (currently, of course, Windows) and the certain
programs I use for this or that *when necessary*, but there's also an
entirely practical reason for me to appreciate whatever I find to be
"practical and expedient". I don't do any "work" on a computer
(meaning that I don't use a computer for my job...never have, and
hopefully never will, being a musician who plays on 300 year old
wooden instruments), nor do I "work with" computers themselves *as any
sort of a job* (though, when dealing with helping my mother with hers,
it can sometimes feel that way!). By choice, I have a busy life, and
while my computer is a wonderful tool for me for communications,
research, a bit of chess playing/learning, and for my daily journal
writing, my other interests demand much more of my time and energies.

In the philosophical/political sense, I certainly favor the "Linux
way" over the "Windows way"...no question about that. On the practical
side, however, I guess I can be a bit more, well, practical and
expedient when it comes to my personal computer usage and the time I
spend on this or that aspect of it. My interest in Linux is not in any
way related to an overwhelming urge to "get down and geeky" with it.
In addition to my philosophical/political leanings, which I admit I
can be persuaded to compromise when it comes to favoring one OS over
another, I'm interested to see *what a Linux distro and its associated
programs can do for me* in terms of my needs for this type of tool.
That said, and I'm sure this will seem like heresy to some here, I'm
currently very pleased with how WinXP, and the programs I use on it
(mostly non-MS software) is/are working for me.

Just as a small example...

I deal with a lot of email, and I'm quite particular about the type of
"power" I expect in terms of both email management and composition.
After trying and using just about every email client available for
Windows (including those that have Linux based counterparts), I've
found my current Windows email client (The Bat!) to be my "dream come
true" email handler, and anything in Linux that might replace it would
have to be *very impressive indeed* for me to consider a complete
switch to a Linux-only client. For instance, I've seen many Linux
users using Mozilla/Thunderbird, and though I don't know if there are
some essential differences with how these work on Linux as opposed to
the Windows versions, I'm frankly not impressed when I compare them to
The Bat!. I also have the Windows version of Sylpheed on here, and
again, I'm not impressed. Perhaps there is an email client on Linux
that will impress me. I hope so.

I will make a promise though...

Once I get Mandrake up and running, I'll look for an email client that
works decently for me there, and even if I still prefer The Bat! in
Windows for my daily heavy email usage, I'll use Mandrake, and the
Linux email client I decide upon for reading/posting to this list! :-)

I leave open all possibilities, up to and including dropping Windows
entirely and making a complete switch to Linux (which, if it happens,
would quite please me), but it all depends on if I can find specific
Linux based programs that do at least as much or more for me in the
areas that are important to me. I may well even discover very useful
applications in Linux that I never even considered during my use of
Windows, and that would please me as well. I may end up switching back
and forth between both OSs...each for its unique strengths with
regards to my needs and preferences.

In any event, I feel comfortable that I can take my time learning
about Linux/Mandrake via trial and error or any other means, because I
won't lose any essential functionality I currently have with Windows
during this learning period.  I do look forward to this new adventure.

PS: As you may have noticed by now, I can be fairly sound-byte
challenged, and wander off on meandering digressions. Please feel free
to tell me to shut up and stick to the basics. I promise 

Re: [newbie] ADSL Itex driver for Mandrake 9.0?

[Derek Jennings]

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 8:58 pm, Paolo Bonavoglia wrote:
> I don't know weather this is a newbie or expert question, so I send it to
> both lists.
>
>  I have installed Mandrake 9.0 in a partition of my PC. Everything
> went OK, but not for my ADSL Itex PCI card: Mandrake didn't recongnize it
> and I have a Linux PC which cannot connect to the Internet.
>  I have searched the Web, found some drivers but none worked; the
> last is an itex1577-2.4.16.o
> driver; I installed it, but when I try to activate it with the insmod
> commad, the computer crashes, even the mouse is frozen and I have to
> restart. Maybe it is a problem of kernel; this driver is for kernel 2.4.16,
> while Mandrake 9.0 has 2.4.19.
>
>  Does anyone know a working driver for this unfortunate ADSL card?
>  Obviously I mean a driver which works with Mandrake 9.0 and kernel
> 2.4.19.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Paolo Bonavoglia
Unfortunately that driver is a binary closed source driver, and the 
manufacturer Itex went out of business http://www.itexinc.com/

That is the trouble with closed source drivers. It is not possible to maintain 
them. From what I read the driver you have will work with RedHat 8.-0

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Re: [newbie] Weird things in 9.2

[John Wilson]

On November 12, 2003 05:17 am, Bryan Tyson wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 November 2003 21:40, John Wilson wrote:
> > kdesu -c konqueror
>
> What is the difference between kdesu and su? Thank you.
>
> 
> Powered by SuSE Linux 8.2 Professional
> KDE 3.1.1 KMail 1.5.1
> This is a Microsoft-free computer
>
> Bryan S. Tyson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

Sheer boneheaded laziness? :-)

ttfn

John

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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries

[John Wilson]

On November 11, 2003 11:33 pm, Melissa Reese wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hello,
>
> A few days ago, I ordered the Mandrake 9.2 PowerPack from the
> mandrakestore.com site, and I guess it'll arrive in a week or so.

  First set of questions answered elsewhere far better than I could :-)

> Apparently, in addition to the LG based CD ROM/CD-RW problem, there
> are several other possible unhappy issues listed on that site that can
> cause other problems during and after installation. Some of the issues
> don't seem so minor.
>
> I'll be reading up and trying to understand all these issues more
> thoroughly, and about the installation patches mentioned, but my
> impending installation is making me a bit more nervous as the time
> draws closer.

I've been at this for years and I always get nervous about these things.  I 
think its a good thing.

>
> A few more questions:
>
> 1) Are these sorts of problems just "the way it is" with this
>product? Or is it just that this particular version release is
>especially troublesome? Either way, I'm not feeling exactly
>wonderful about all this.

It's not only "the way it is" with Mandrake it applies to every every known OS 
there is, including Windows.  At least with Mandrake, and Linux in general, 
you get to see the bugs in quick order and they're often repaired very 
quickly as well.  At least in comparison to Microsoft.

>
> 2) Does any of this mean that my soon to arrive "PowerPack" is
>expected to be kind of a "lemon" out of the box?

Nah.  It's perfectly good.  Anything missing can be downloaded with urpmi once 
the sources are set and you're off and running. 

> 3) As a total "newbie" getting ready to perform my first Linux
>installation, should I be concerned enough about these various
>issues that I should perhaps pay my local computer tech to come
>over here and hold my hand as I go through this process?

You could if your computer tech isn't a Windows weenie who only knows wizards 
and the MS bible of "reinstall if it doesn't work".  A hard habit to get out 
of, I can tell you.  Mandrake should install trouble free.  One thing I have 
noticed is don't let it install upgrades.  Skip that part and then do it from 
a running system.  It seems to be much faster that way.

> I don't want to sound like a whining Windows wimp, but I really want
> to get this right, and at this point, I must say that I'm not feeling
> quite as optimistic as I was just a few days ago. Any ideas and/or
> encouragement would be greatly appreciated.

Be encouraged and be optimistic.  Some issues may/will present themselves and 
that's what this list is here for.  Also bookmark Twiki as soon as you get 
going as it's a wonderful resource.  Mandrake installs as easily as Windows, 
in fact more easily in a lot of cases.

And take some time to learn.  One of the joys of this operating system is the 
chance to get under the hood and tweak till it runs just the way you want it 
to.

And don't worry a great deal about the complaints and issues you see here or 
on usenet.  We tend to be hard on Mandrake but that's only because we, as a 
community, expect a great deal and care a great deal about it.

Have fun!

ttfn

John

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Re: [newbie] Reality or Urban Legend

[racerpup2]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 12:40, Greg Meyer wrote:
> Is 9.2 being difficult to install really true, or is it just an urban legend?  
> My personal experience is that it is a piece of cake, but I leave open the 
> possibility that others have had significant problems.
> 
> I have now installed it on 3 different desktop systems and my Thinkpad and all 
> is well.

I have had no problem installing LM9.2 at all and it is on 2 boxes. Any
problems I have had is because of my own doing. The installation was
very easy.

Walt


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[newbie] Reality or Urban Legend

[Greg Meyer]

Is 9.2 being difficult to install really true, or is it just an urban legend?  
My personal experience is that it is a piece of cake, but I leave open the 
possibility that others have had significant problems.

I have now installed it on 3 different desktop systems and my Thinkpad and all 
is well.
-- 
/g

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a dog it's too dark to read" -Groucho Marx



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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi,

If I install LM9.2, will the last install step of automatic update take 
care of updating everything installed including the kernel itself? Or is 
there something peculiar to LM9.2 that is not so automatic? Is there 
something else I would need to do? Will the kernel be updated 
automatically too?

If the people paying have so many problems, God help those who do not. 
Linux keeps shooting itself in the foot. It is its own killer.

Thanks,

Ayoub



Anne Wilson wrote:

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 12:51 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:33 am, Melissa Reese wrote:

1) Why would the PowerPack ship with so many things missing,
while the download site would have the more complete package?
2) Why was this issue not presented to those of us who decided to
go to the MandrakeStore and purchase our packages directly?
Any of the missing packages should be available for free download
from the ditribution mirrors.  INstall from the cd's you received
and then set up your urpmi sources to point at an ftp mirror and
then install anything missing.


To set up sources, go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/

Anne



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[newbie] Setting up RAID

[travis]

Hi All,
I'm looking at getting a RAID card to put in my box.  I'm 
running Mandrake 9.1 and wondered what would be the best card.
Here is what I'm looking at so far:  Promise SuperTrak 100 or 66,
3WARE DiskSwitch AccelerATA 8 port UDMA100 EIDE RAID Card, or 
the Promise FastTrak 66 or 100.  

What I would like to know is: which one is best supported 
under Linux (i.e. in kernel, with drivers, etc.)? which one is 
the easiest to install?  I would like to eventually do RAID level 
5 but I will start with RAID 1 and go from there.

I have looked on Google to find support and on the respective 
Web sites but would like to know if anyone has specific experience.

Thanks!

Travis Crook
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Re: [newbie] post-install 9.2 issues with mozilla and openoffice

[Harv Nelson]

Brian Parish wrote:

I have now installed 9.2 on 3 machines, 2 as upgrades and the other as a
full install.  The two upgraded machines both have small problems.  On
one - a laptop - mozilla won't start.  No errors displayed when run in a
console, just waits a while then goes away.  On the other OOo sometimes
hangs at the splash screen.  I can't kill the processes.  Restart X and
up it comes.
Any ideas on either of these?

TIA
Brian
 

I removed Mozilla 1.4 and installed 1.5.  I had to redirect my 
desktop/menu icons to

   /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla

Also, it may help to call it thru 'soundwrapper', thusly:

   soundwrapper /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla

if you intend to visit a lot of RealAudio links, etc.

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Re: [newbie] bittorrent

[SourComet]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 08:06, Derek Jennings wrote:

> Yes use the --max_upload_rate [number] switch

Perfect. Thanks!

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux grsecurity question

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Anne,

Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 5:25:51 AM, you wrote:

> Anne
> Registered Linux User No.293302

I'm just curious, but what exactly does the above registration give the
registrant? Is it a membership of sorts, or does that registration come
if you purchase a commercial copy of a Linux Distribution?

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RE: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !

[Tony S. Sykes]

Robin,

I am sure that they must have checked their licence's and found out they
hadn't got any newer one's than 98. Can't think of any other reason. You
can put your pen (mightier than the sword) down and hopefully not have
to fight when you explain that it does not cost a penny.

Tony.

-Original Message-
From: Robin Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !


Lanman wrote:
> Just curious about something. How many of the list members
> are using
> Linux in the workplace and how?
> I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what
> with it, and
> which distro's, whether they're seeing 
> an increase in business because of Linux and what
> interesting things
> they're doing with Linux. 

I'm using Linux at work in a university department for the usual office 
stuff and as a local FTP server (though I seem to be the only person who
makes much use of this). I use LyX for my own academic writing and 
OpenOffice for correcting/commenting on student papers (I've set up a 
series of styles and macros for this, which makes it a lot easier).

However, my boss has just informed me that there is a new policy 
requiring all teachers to use Windows 98.  War may be declared.

Sir Robin

-- 
"The other major kind of computer is the "Apple", which I do not
recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you
basically just plug in and use." - Dave Barry

Robin Turner
IDMYO
Bilkent Univeritesi
Ankara 06533
Turkey

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Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !

[Robin Turner]

Lanman wrote:
Just curious about something. How many of the list members
are using
Linux in the workplace and how?
I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what
with it, and
which distro's, whether they're seeing 
an increase in business because of Linux and what
interesting things
they're doing with Linux. 
I'm using Linux at work in a university department for the usual office 
stuff and as a local FTP server (though I seem to be the only person who 
makes much use of this). I use LyX for my own academic writing and 
OpenOffice for correcting/commenting on student papers (I've set up a 
series of styles and macros for this, which makes it a lot easier).

However, my boss has just informed me that there is a new policy 
requiring all teachers to use Windows 98.  War may be declared.

Sir Robin

--
"The other major kind of computer is the "Apple", which I do not
recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you
basically just plug in and use." - Dave Barry
Robin Turner
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Bilkent Univeritesi
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Turkey
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Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 1:49 pm, Tango Echo wrote:
>
> The Twiki suggestion is great.  One addition to it may
> be more of an "industry HOWTO".  For example, people
> could post HOWTOs that pertain to their industry.
> Weather its government, insurance, production, retail,
> or something else, each industry has its own specific
> needs from the software it uses.  Even if it's just a
> list of apps they use, it would give people a good
> idea where to start and what tool(s) is recommended
> for the job.  Add some contact info for each
> bizcase/howto and you have a rather powerful tool for
> Windows to Linux migrations =).  (I'm actually still
> in search of the Win to Lin migration myself)
>
Brilliant idea, Tango.  Anyone care to start us off?

Anne
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Re: [newbie] Weird things in 9.2

[Aron Smith]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 05:43 am, HaywireMac wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:40:07 -0800
>
> John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > Now I know that Haywire will chime in and say "it's only a problem
> > with KDE" but that is my desktop of choice and some of these tool are
> > important to me.
>
> Now, I wouldn't wanna disappoint, now would I?
>
> It's only a problem with KDE.
I assume that you will not be seeking a job with KDE ;-)
>
> 


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RE: [newbie] My system crashes on Mandrake 9.2 ??!! Is linux really stable ??

[Tony S. Sykes]

On Tuesday 11 Nov 2003 9:23 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dear Friends ,
>
> I have Asus A7n8x-deluxe , 2500 + athlon and Asus FX 5600 vga card. I
> installed Mandrake 9.2 and I also installed latest original mainboard
and
> vga drivers from Nvidia's site. Everything ( even 3com lan adapter )
works
> fine. I see no fail message during boot -up. I also installed some
styles(
> aqua ) from www.kde-look.org and normally there seems no any error.
But my
> system crashes randomly ( stops responding , no mouse and no keyboard
!! )
> . I experienced this while I was scrolling with mouse ( mouse stopped
> suddenly ) . This happened twice in 3 hours. When I was using Win XP I
had
> the same problem ( The system crashed randomly in 3 hours or sometimes
did
> not crash at all several days. I mean This happened randomly . But
after
> installing latest XP drivers for mobo and VGA I did not experience any
> crash since 7 days of hardwork on XP. It seems  It  is OK on XP ,  but
how
> about on Mandrake 9.2 ??. My rams are Kingston. My power supply unit
is 400
> W Zalman.
>
> Is there any possibility of hardware failure if so how can I
understand ??
> And if the reason is somehow Mandrake 9.2 ; I heard always that linux
is
> much more stable , so what is this ?
>
> And what can I do if such crash happens on Mandrake ? should I wait ?
or
> should I  reset the computer ?? since keyboard and mouse does not
respond.
>
> Thanks..
>
> Hertas.
The fact that it crashes in Linux and in Windows immediately indicates a
hardware problem.
Typical causes of crashes are usually memory problems or thermal. You
are 
using good quality components, but if you are over clocking or using 
aggressive memory timings you could be operating in  marginal stability.
Often memory problems are more obvious in Linux than in Windows because
Linux 
uses all the memory  (for disc caching) while in Windows the upper
memory 
areas can be virtually unused.

To find the problem install memtest86 from your Mandrake CDs. It will
put a 
new entry in Lilo.  Boot into memtest86 and run a test for several
hours. 
There should be *no* failures at all.

As for what to do when a crash happens. It is possible the crash has
only 
affected your Window Manager in which case the kernel is still running.
There 
is a page in the Mandrake On line manual which tells you how to do a
graceful 
shutdown using Alt+SysRq+r, Alt+SysRq+s, Alt+SysRq+t, Alt+SysRq+e, but
if it 
is a kernel panic then the only thing to do is power off.

derek
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From: Derek Jennings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] My system crashes on Mandrake 9.2 ??!! Is linux
really stable ??

Derek,

Doh! I should have thought of memtest but never crossed my mind, I am
using Corsair value matched pairs so I expect them to have had some
testing done but being value does that mean they didn't make the grade
as fully fledged matched pairs? I will install that tonight when I get
home from work and run over night. As for undoing the freeze I have
tried all the key combinations from the page and nothing happens at all.

Thanks,

Tony.
  

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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] My system crashes on Mandrake 9.2 ??!! Is linux
really stable ??

Well mine has gone belly up again since I did an urpmi --update. Seemed
to load my kernel source again? Now it just stops after lilo. Never got
chance to do the memtest or cpuburn. Not able to get back to it until
Thursday so I will be debugging it then. Any hints/tips much
appreciated.

Thanks,

Tony.
  

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Re: [newbie] another network.img install issue (HELP)

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:17 am, Merlin Zener wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 13:07, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 4:53 am, Eric Huff wrote:
> > > > However LG Electronics admits that other LG products DVD and
> > > > CD/RW are affected
> > > > http://www.lge.com/support/support.jsp
> > >
> > > Jeeze, they have a crappy website, too...
> >
> > Presumably that means you saw something.  All I got was a 404
>
> when you click on the "FAQ" link you get "lgecom.com could not be
> found..."
> I still haven't found anything relating to the CDR problem yet.

Aha -- you clicked on the fancy image, didn't you? Try the menu in the LH 
column. Evidently the moron who decided that using FLUSH_CACHE would be a 
cool way to rewrite the BIOS is now doing LG's web site. (Hey, guy, that 
little period between lge and com isn't dirt on your screen -- it really 
means something.)
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Re: [newbie] another network.img install issue (HELP) (updated)

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 07:38 am, Thinker wrote:

> > Would you please, in the name of all that you consider Holy _remove that
> > fscking reply to_ from your mail client?
>
> Charlie M.
>
> Um.. I am using Evolution 1.4.5 for mail and a quick check of
> Tools>Settings>Mail Accounts>[EMAIL PROTECTED](edit) shows
> that the Reply-To field you are so upset about is empty. It has been
> since the last time you made a big deal about one of my posts. Newbie me
> doesnt quite know what else to do to make it so you can get more sleep
> at night. :-)

Looks like you fixed it. Your original posting to this thread, however, did 
have your address in the reply-to field.

> My drive says HP so I assumed it was an HP. However, now my drive isn't
> even showing up in the BIOS. When I boot the machine, the lights come on
> but there is no mention of it in the BIOS (used to be IDE Secondary
> Master) and no desktop item for it in KDE (after the installation there
> were two CDROM icons on the desktop, now there is just one).
>
> Still, I just physically removed it from the machine. No mention of
> anything LG.
>
> 8x4x32 IDE Recordable/Rewritable
> HP C4462-5600
> HP S/N PHCH02482C
>
> Where should I go from here on the drive? Is this a new issue or am I
> missing something?

There is no mention of any HP drives at 
www.linux-mandrake.com/en/lgerrata.php3
Anyway, you've got a reader/writer; as others have noted, those guys had 
better handle FLUSH_CACHE correctly since that would be a common instruction 
during the writing process.

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[newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?

[Todd Slater]

This was a good chuckle. USA Today has a piece about problems with the
computers in certain BMW's--a cd player that spits cd's at passengers,
engines that shut down while running at highway speeds etc. Now, didn't
BMW choose Microsoft for that system?

Oh, and if you want to fix your beamer, you have to sign an NDA!! (Is
that BMW or M$ talking?) 

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-11-11-carrepairs_x.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/mar02/03-04BMWpr.asp

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RE: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !

[Tango Echo]

>-Original Message-
>From: Lanman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:40 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak
Up !
>
>
>Just curious about something. How many of the list
members
>are using
>Linux in the workplace and how?
>I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing
what
>with it, and
>which distro's, whether they're seeing 
>an increase in business because of Linux and what
>interesting things
>they're doing with Linux. 
>
>It might prove to be an interesting source of
information
>for
>newbie's to know what can be done with Linux, 
>especially when it's applied in a production
environment.
>We see all
>kinds of articles regarding Linux, but
>it's very hard to contact those people to see how
something
>was done,
>and what Tips 'n' Tricks were used
>to accomplish a particular task.
>
>MandrakeSoft has a special site 
>(http://www.mandrakebizcases.com ), that allows
>anyone to post 
>their 
>particular application of Linux, but for the most
part you 
>can't get the hands-on info from those companies 
>or individuals.
>
>Is this something we could/should add to the Twiki
site? Comments?
>
>Lanman  
>
>site? Comments?
>
>Lanman  
>

You're probably already aware lanman, but I'll say it
for everyone to hear...  I currently have one MNF box
on one of our sites that performs firewalling, IDS,
and WebProxy.  I'd be lying if I said it's been
flawless, but I must also admit the problems have come
from my lack of admin knowledge.  Still, the problems
have been quite minimal and I believe it's at a point
where you "plug it in and forget about it..."

The Twiki suggestion is great.  One addition to it may
be more of an "industry HOWTO".  For example, people
could post HOWTOs that pertain to their industry. 
Weather its government, insurance, production, retail,
or something else, each industry has its own specific
needs from the software it uses.  Even if it's just a
list of apps they use, it would give people a good
idea where to start and what tool(s) is recommended
for the job.  Add some contact info for each
bizcase/howto and you have a rather powerful tool for
Windows to Linux migrations =).  (I'm actually still
in search of the Win to Lin migration myself)

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Re: [newbie] My system crashes on Mandrake 9.2 ??!! Is linux really stable ??-new findings !!

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:48 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> To all that helped me ,
>
> first of all thanks for your considerations. My new situation is :
>
> 1) I ran memtest-96 3.0 for 7.5 hours ( all night long) and it did not give
> me any error. I think this means memory  is OK.

That seems okay.

> 2) If the heat is problem how can I detect ( my CPu temperature is between
> 49 - 54 C and system temp is 30-30 C ) is this temp. OK ?

This one is trickier - keep in mind that your actual CPU temp can be 10 -20 
degrees C. higher than what is reported.

Did you run cpuburn? If not, install it and run it. There are specific 
versions for whatever flavor CPU you're using. If your system locks up or 
does anything else funny in less than 15 mins, then something is not quite 
right. If it will run for 20-30 mins, you're in pretty good shape. If it will 
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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Power Pack is here

[racerpup2]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 08:14, Carroll Grigsby wrote:

> 
> It will probably be a few days before I get around to installing this. If/when 
> I do so, anyone know how long is it going to take me to download all of the 
> updates via dialup?
> 
> -- cmg
> 
> 
> 
> __
The updates are 177 meg..not sure how long that takes with dialup

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Re: [newbie] Weird things in 9.2

[Bryan Tyson]

On Tuesday 11 November 2003 21:40, John Wilson wrote:

> kdesu -c konqueror

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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Power Pack is here

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 07:32 am, Greg Meyer wrote:

> What kernel is included?  We're dying to know.

I did a quick scan of the directories and files on the first install CD -- 
they are all dated September 23 or earlier. It looks like this is the 
"as-released" version. Curiously, no one bothered to stick a piece of paper 
in the envelope about the LG bother. Hell, they could even have printed it on 
the packing list. (Actually, that shouldn't be a problem on either of the 
systems here.)

It will probably be a few days before I get around to installing this. If/when 
I do so, anyone know how long is it going to take me to download all of the 
updates via dialup?

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Re: [newbie] bittorrent

[Derek Jennings]

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 11:21 am, Sour Comet wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
> Although I find Bittorrent to be a great file sharing program, I find
> that the uploading rate get so high that it brings down my network
> connection. Thus, every time I return to my computer, it is necessary to
> 'service network restart'.  Is there a way to control the
> upload/download rates?
>
> SourComet

Yes use the --max_upload_rate [number] switch

derek

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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries

[Greg Meyer]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:33 am, Melissa Reese wrote:
> 1) Are these sorts of problems just "the way it is" with this
>product? Or is it just that this particular version release is
>especially troublesome? Either way, I'm not feeling exactly
>wonderful about all this.
>
> 2) Does any of this mean that my soon to arrive "PowerPack" is
>expected to be kind of a "lemon" out of the box?

The problem is people really not being clear in their posts and feeling a need 
to bash Mandrake for fun.  It is a sport, especially on a.o.l.m

I just checked out his post, and here is the translation

What he is referring to is the 3 cd set download edition vs the 3 cd set 
PowerPack download that were both offered to the Club members for downlaod 
through bittorrent and not the 7 cd PowerPack boxed set.  The 3 cd set of 
PowerPack that was offered for download was simply the first three cds of the 
PowerPack, which has 7 cds total.

A bunch of stuff was removed from the first three cds in order to make room 
for the commercial stuff, but I am sure the other four cd's in the box that 
you bought contain most, if not all, of the missing packages.  That in 
addition to the fact that any missing package will be found either in the 
main or contrib trees of any Mandrake mirror.  There is no need for you to 
pay again and no, your PowerPack is not broken.
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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 12:51 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:33 am, Melissa Reese wrote:
> > 1) Why would the PowerPack ship with so many things missing,
> > while the download site would have the more complete package?
> >
> > 2) Why was this issue not presented to those of us who decided to
> > go to the MandrakeStore and purchase our packages directly?
>
> Any of the missing packages should be available for free download
> from the ditribution mirrors.  INstall from the cd's you received
> and then set up your urpmi sources to point at an ftp mirror and
> then install anything missing.

To set up sources, go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/

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Re: [newbie] My system crashes on Mandrake 9.2 ??!! Is linux really stable ??-new findings !!

[Derek Jennings]

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 7:48 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> To all that helped me ,
>
> first of all thanks for your considerations. My new situation is :
>
> 1) I ran memtest-96 3.0 for 7.5 hours ( all night long) and it did not give
> me any error. I think this means memory  is OK.
>
> 2) If the heat is problem how can I detect ( my CPu temperature is between
> 49 - 54 C and system temp is 30-30 C ) is this temp. OK ?
>
> 3) I have Asus FX 5600 vga card. Could it possible that the heat is problem
> with this vga card. ??
>
> 4) I think there is something wrong between nvidia vga driver and Asus mobo
> . Since I experienced almost the same things on XP too.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Have a nice day / night

Memory and thermals seem fine.  (That was while running cpuburn was it?)
The next favourite cause that springs to my mind is the good old IRQ conflict.
Take a look at KDE Control Centre>Information>Interrupts
IRQ lines shared between video and ethernet are a favourite for causing random 
lockups.
Reassigning IRQs depends on your BIOS in some BIOS' you can specifically 
assign IRQ. With others you have to move cards. With some of the really bad 
BIOS' you have to go around disabling unused on board devices.

It might also be worth adding the 'nopentium'  option to the append line of 
your Lilo config  (It hides a bug in the Athlon to do with memory page 
swapping. I thought it was fixed in later Athlons, but you never know)

derek

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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries

[Greg Meyer]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:33 am, Melissa Reese wrote:
> 1) Why would the PowerPack ship with so many things missing, while
>the download site would have the more complete package?
>
> 2) Why was this issue not presented to those of us who decided to go
>to the MandrakeStore and purchase our packages directly?
Any of the missing packages should be available for free download from the 
ditribution mirrors.  INstall from the cd's you received and then set up your 
urpmi sources to point at an ftp mirror and then install anything missing.  
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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries

[Derek Jennings]

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 7:33 am, Melissa Reese wrote:

>
> Questions:
>
> 1) Why would the PowerPack ship with so many things missing, while
>the download site would have the more complete package?
>
> 2) Why was this issue not presented to those of us who decided to go
>to the MandrakeStore and purchase our packages directly?
>
> 3) Is it really "fair", and indeed in keeping with the "Linux
>philosophy" to charge those of us who did purchase the PowerPack
>even more just to "complete" our installation packages? After all,
>even if I join the "club" at the lowest rate, my final purchase
>price will be more than if I had joined at the $120 USD "Silver"
>membership rate without purchasing the PowerPack. In fact, it will
>be just a few dollars less than if I had purchased the PowerPack
>"subscription" package, with the next two version upgrades
>included!
>
> As I said, I'm all for supporting Mandrake, but this "policy", if
> that's what this is, seems a bit peculiar to me.
>
Calm down.  The "download edition", and the "Powerpack edition" have always 
had a slightly different composition. The Powerpack include commercial 
packages not in the download edition such as modem and nvidia drivers.

However sometimes to make space for these there are sometimes useful packages 
left out of the Powerpack edition. But do not worry because **all** the non 
commercial  packages are available on public servers already and your system 
can easily be configured to suck them down when it needs them.

The only things not on public servers are the commercial packages (which you 
have) and 'iso images' which would enable people to create CDs of the 
download edition.

For the next few weeks those 'iso images' are only available through Mandrake 
Club. This is a way to justify the Club membership by allowing Club members 
to burn iso's before the general public.
As a purchasor of a Powerpack you have automatically become a complimentary 
member of Mandrake Club  (is it 3 months?) so you could immediately start 
downloading and burning the download edition as much as you want. 

For the low cost of your Powerpack you have software that would cost many 
thousands of dollars in the Windows world. Believe me it is a bargain!!


> And then there is this:
>
> http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3
>
> Apparently, in addition to the LG based CD ROM/CD-RW problem, there
> are several other possible unhappy issues listed on that site that can
> cause other problems during and after installation. Some of the issues
> don't seem so minor.
>
> I'll be reading up and trying to understand all these issues more
> thoroughly, and about the installation patches mentioned, but my
> impending installation is making me a bit more nervous as the time
> draws closer.
>
> A few more questions:
>
> 1) Are these sorts of problems just "the way it is" with this
>product? Or is it just that this particular version release is
>especially troublesome? Either way, I'm not feeling exactly
>wonderful about all this.
>
> 2) Does any of this mean that my soon to arrive "PowerPack" is
>expected to be kind of a "lemon" out of the box?
>
Yes there are bugs in Linux. Mandrake in particular is a "leading edge" 
distro. It has the latest and greatest of everything. In 9.2 one of the 
'latest technologies' introduced was CD packet writing. (Yes I know Windows 
has had  it for ages)  The trouble is however. Whereas all hardware 
manufacturers pay Microsoft for the privilege of testing their hardware with 
the latest Windows, with Linux it is up to the community to validate hardware 
with the latest Linux.  In this instance a very nasty firmware bug in LG 
CD-Roms was exposed by the packet writing software. It is entirely due to non 
compliance with ATAPI standards by LG. But that is no comfort to people whose 
drives got zapped :-(
Mandrake are very good at finding these problems and fixing them. The update 
servers already have many updated packages. Just make sure after installing 
that you declare an update site and run Mandrake Update.

> 3) As a total "newbie" getting ready to perform my first Linux
>installation, should I be concerned enough about these various
>issues that I should perhaps pay my local computer tech to come
>over here and hold my hand as I go through this process?
>
It really is not that hard. Installing Linux is *easier* than installing 
Windows. At least you do not have to keep shuffling CDs and rebooting over 
and over again.
Just make sure you do not have an LG-CDROM
I hope like me you will completely 'gobsmacked' at just how good Linux is :-)

> I don't want to sound like a whining Windows wimp, but I really want
> to get this right, and at this point, I must say that I'm not feeling
> quite as optimistic as I was just a few days ago. Any ideas and/or
> encouragement would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
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>
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Re: [newbie] nullmailer

[Greg Meyer]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 01:03 am, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
> Dear all,
> After abandoning effort to install esmtp, now I've installed null-mailer.
> It asked for daemontools, so I installed it too.
>
esmtp 4.1 is in contrib for 9.2.  All you have to do to install it is set up a 
contrib source and 'urpmi esmtp'

> There are 3 main programs in null-mailer:
> nullmailer-inject
> nullmailer-send
> nullmailer-queue
>
> The installation program said that I should make a script, so that
> daemontools will run nullmailer-send in background. The script is:
>   #!/bin/sh
>   exec setuidgid nullmail nullmailer-send 2>&1
>
> What I don't understand is, how do I run the script? Should I put it in
> rc.local or what.
>
> Any experience / idea?
> Thanks

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Re: [newbie] nullmailer

[Bryan Phinney]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 01:03 am, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
> Dear all,
> After abandoning effort to install esmtp, now I've installed null-mailer.
> It asked for daemontools, so I installed it too.
>
> There are 3 main programs in null-mailer:
> nullmailer-inject
> nullmailer-send
> nullmailer-queue
>
> The installation program said that I should make a script, so that
> daemontools will run nullmailer-send in background. The script is:
>   #!/bin/sh
>   exec setuidgid nullmail nullmailer-send 2>&1
>
> What I don't understand is, how do I run the script? Should I put it in
> rc.local or what.

Copy the script to /usr/sbin and then you can create a startup script in 
/etc/init.d .  I would model it after some of the others that are there to 
make sure that you have a nice value set, and start and stop commands and 
that it loads on the right init levels.  You can use Webmin to look at your 
startup and shutdown scripts and simply copy one and add the values for 
nullmailer to create a startup and shutdown script for that.

Example:

#!/bin/sh
#
# nullmailer  This shell script takes care of starting and stopping
#   nullmailer.
#
# chkconfig: 2345 99 10
# description: nullmailer provides support for injecting mail.

[ -f /etc/nullmailer.conf ] || exit 0

. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions

# See how we were called.
case "$1" in
  start)
# Start daemons.
echo -n "Starting nullmailer: "
touch /var/lock/subsys/nullmailer
/usr/sbin/nullmailer
echo
;;
  stop)
# Stop daemons.
echo -n "Shutting down nullmailer: "
killproc nullmailer
#killall nullmailer
echo
rm -f /var/lock/subsys/nullmailer
;;
  restart)
$0 stop
$0 start
;;
  status)
status nullmailer
;;
  *)
echo "Usage: nullmailer {start|stop|restart|status}"
exit 1
esac

exit 0

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Re: [newbie] another network.img install issue (HELP) (updated)

[Thinker]

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 12:09, Charlie M. wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Tuesday 11 November 2003 7:20 am, Thinker wrote:
> > I tried to ftp install it but something has gone very wrong.
> >
> > Using the mirror
> > ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
> >
> > I made the network.img floppy using rawwritewin.exe (on my Windows 2000
> > box) from the dosutils directory.  I booted to it, brought up the network
> > and directed it to the proper location on the server.
> >
> > Once everything loaded into memory, I only selected LSB, Workstation,
> > Configuration, for the installation options. Something like 700MB or so. It
> > took about 90 minutes and then the installation was complete. I rebooted
> > and once in, I brought up the MCC to update the installation. Once I
> > updated the install, everything seemed to be fine. Then I noticed the
> > 'writing' light was on on the front of my HP 9150 8x4x32 CD-R/RW Drive. Of
> > course I wasn't writing anything (There was no disc in the drive). The
> > eject button gave me no response so, in true newbie fashion I assume, I
> > rebooted. When the machine came back up and I logged in to KDE, half of the
> > information that had been in my menu was gone. I couldn't get to the MCC,
> > no terminals or anything. Only a few items, none of which can help me get
> > my system back to the state it was in before I rebooted.
> >
> > HELP!
> >
> >
> > -=Thinker
> 
> Would you please, in the name of all that you consider Holy _remove that 
> fscking reply to_ from your mail client? 

Charlie M.

Um.. I am using Evolution 1.4.5 for mail and a quick check of
Tools>Settings>Mail Accounts>[EMAIL PROTECTED](edit) shows
that the Reply-To field you are so upset about is empty. It has been
since the last time you made a big deal about one of my posts. Newbie me
doesnt quite know what else to do to make it so you can get more sleep
at night. :-)




> To your menu problem:
> 
> Log out, or don't log-in as user from a fresh boot. From the log-in screen use 
> Ctrl+Alt+F1 and log-in there as root. Then run the following commands:
> 
> (Note: ALL commands are one liners. You can assume there are only single 
> spaces between flags and options, mail client word wrap kills that though.)
> 
> urpmi.addmedia 
> ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS with 
> ../base/hdlist.cz 
> 

This did not work. I tried it twice and all I got was a help menu. Since
the first command didn't work, I didn't go any further.

I did Clt+Alt+F1,  logged in as root and ran
update-menus -v

Then Clt+Alt+F7 and all was well.

Thanks Haywire/Derek.


> Next prompt:
> 
> urpmi --auto-select 
> 
> After you install all the relevant updates, run the next compound command.
> rpm --rebuilddb && updatedb && update-menus -n -v && ldconfig 
> 
> Next prompt:
> 
> Ctrl+D
> 
> to exit, then Ctrl+Alt+F7 to return to the log-in screen. You should be OK.
> 
> For the CD-RW problem; is that drive a re-badged LG by any chance? If so you 
> likely killed it, which you would know if you had read any of the multitude 
> of posts, or the warnings on the Mandrake site, in the past three weeks.
> 


I read the multitude of post and warnings on the Mandrake site.
Remember, I am one of the few that keeps asking when the ISO's will be
released with the fix (which you would know if you had read the
multitude of posts I have made concerning the desire to install 9.2).

My drive says HP so I assumed it was an HP. However, now my drive isn't
even showing up in the BIOS. When I boot the machine, the lights come on
but there is no mention of it in the BIOS (used to be IDE Secondary
Master) and no desktop item for it in KDE (after the installation there
were two CDROM icons on the desktop, now there is just one). 

Still, I just physically removed it from the machine. No mention of
anything LG.

8x4x32 IDE Recordable/Rewritable
HP C4462-5600 
HP S/N PHCH02482C


Where should I go from here on the drive? Is this a new issue or am I
missing something?

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Re: [newbie] tv tunning

[Anarky]

mike wrote:



Anarky wrote:

Anarky wrote:

   how's mandrake on tv tuning? I'm considering buying a tv tuner .. 
so I'm wondering if there is hardware support for stuff like this 
... how well spread is it .. any chance of having a cheapest I can 
find tvtuner work? Any way to check on particular models? Is there 
software to go with tv tuners in mandrake? How good is it? Is it 
just tv tuning .. or does it suport recording at certain hours or 
something like that ?
   greets & thanks,


well .. I bought it ... it's an Xpert TV-PVR pci (does pvr mean 
something?) ... I can't intal xawtv ... it gives me "instalation 
failed, some files are missing" ... weird .. though I inserted the 
cds & stuff .. anyway .. I'll be trying it again soon with the 9.2 as 
soon as it becomes available for download. From what you guys are 
saying I could expect it to work ... but one thing I'm afraid of is 
that it might not encode into mpeg 2/4 as are it's hardware 
capabilities .. and I'd really like that ... still ... if it'll work 
... well .. I'll brag about it to all my windows friends :)



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PVR means Personal Video Recorder

thanks

   PS: I have sad news ... I have re-started using windows ... I like 
using the remote that came with the tv tuner ... and I haven't been able 
to get one working in Linux ... I wish hardware manufacturers would work 
for Linux too :-( I'd like to be able to fully enjoy new hardware like 
my Palm & my recent Tuner in Linux too ... not with patched software ... 
but with hardware manufacturer, best there is drivers :(


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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Power Pack is here

[Greg Meyer]

On Tuesday 11 November 2003 05:11 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> The UPS guy just delivered my 9.2 Power Pack CD's. It took them five days
> to get here (NC) from the Left Coast via UPS 2nd day air delivery. There's
> probably a Dale Jarrett joke in here somewhere...
>
> FWIW, I've seen several reports on the Club fora that the DVD's have been
> received -- mostly in Europe and Japan.
>
What kernel is included?  We're dying to know.
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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries

[Bryan Phinney]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:33 am, Melissa Reese wrote:

> Questions:
>
> 1) Why would the PowerPack ship with so many things missing, while
>the download site would have the more complete package?

I don't think that I saw the post that prompted this but the Powerpack edition 
should have all of the installation files and some extras not included in the 
download edition.  Of course, there have been a lot of patches to the 
original final release of 9.2 and that may be what you are referring to.  If 
that is the case, you will be fully able to download all patches without 
joining the Mandrake Club as a paying member.  No worries.

> 2) Why was this issue not presented to those of us who decided to go
>to the MandrakeStore and purchase our packages directly?

N/A

> 3) Is it really "fair", and indeed in keeping with the "Linux
>philosophy" to charge those of us who did purchase the PowerPack
>even more just to "complete" our installation packages? After all,
>even if I join the "club" at the lowest rate, my final purchase
>price will be more than if I had joined at the $120 USD "Silver"
>membership rate without purchasing the PowerPack. In fact, it will
>be just a few dollars less than if I had purchased the PowerPack
>"subscription" package, with the next two version upgrades
>included!

The Mandrake Club is different, in that it provides ongoing support, ongoing 
RPM's that are not available elsewhere and the benefit of knowing that you 
are supporting the next version of your OS.  Think of it this way, with 
Windows, you pay ~$150 for the OS but then you have to buy Antivirus 
software, firewall software, email client, CD Burner software, etc. ad 
nauseum.  You can join the Mandrake Club for much less, get all of the same 
software and help installing it on your system.

Or, you can not join Mandrake, download the software yourself and compile and 
install it yourself.  You are essentially paying someone to do your research 
for you and figure things out so that you don't have to.  Not a bad deal if 
you have more money than time.

> Apparently, in addition to the LG based CD ROM/CD-RW problem, there
> are several other possible unhappy issues listed on that site that can
> cause other problems during and after installation. Some of the issues
> don't seem so minor.

Welcome to the world of running a non-Windows OS on Windows designed hardware.  
By definition, much of what we do is not intended by hardware manufacturers 
and not supported.  We have to figure things out through trial and error.  
That is the nature of Linux and the price that we pay for freedom.  Well 
worth it, IMHO.

> I'll be reading up and trying to understand all these issues more
> thoroughly, and about the installation patches mentioned, but my
> impending installation is making me a bit more nervous as the time
> draws closer.

Forewarned is forearmed and the fact that you are doing your own research puts 
you miles ahead of most Windows users.  There is always an answer if we look 
long and hard enough.

> A few more questions:
>
> 1) Are these sorts of problems just "the way it is" with this
>product? Or is it just that this particular version release is
>especially troublesome? Either way, I'm not feeling exactly
>wonderful about all this.

Just the way it is.  The exact same sort of things happen with Windows, the 
only difference is that you never hear about it because MS doesn't publish 
their bug reports.  Think of it as being like Neo in the Matrix movie once he 
was told that his entire life had been a dream.  It is certainly unsettling 
but the unsettling truth is still preferable to blissful ignorance.  Windows 
is the blue pill, Linux is the red pill.  

> 2) Does any of this mean that my soon to arrive "PowerPack" is
>expected to be kind of a "lemon" out of the box?

Absolutely not.  I am still expecting my package and expect to upgrade to 9.2 
using that software and then judicious use of patches where necessary.  
Thanks to all my more adventurous brethren who have gone before me and helped 
to blaze my trail.  I salute you.

> 3) As a total "newbie" getting ready to perform my first Linux
>installation, should I be concerned enough about these various
>issues that I should perhaps pay my local computer tech to come
>over here and hold my hand as I go through this process?

It would possibly provide more certainty but you would be robbing yourself of 
a prime learning opportunity.  The question is, do you want to remain 
dependent upon others or gain the knowledge for yourself.  Doing is the 
quickest way to learning.

> I don't want to sound like a whining Windows wimp, but I really want
> to get this right, and at this point, I must say that I'm not feeling
> quite as optimistic as I was just a few days ago. Any ideas and/or
> encouragement would be greatly appreciated.

Well, given that 98% of most Windows users would have already given u

[newbie] Register programs in MDK 9.1 - Mozilla?

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

I recently urpme'd my orginal mozilla installation on
my  9.1 box and installed Mozilla 1.5 using the
mozilla installer from the Mozillia site. Now it seems
Mozilla isn't my default browser.  For example, when I
click on a link in GAIM or Evolution, nothing happens.
 Does the new installation need to be 'registered'
with MDK 9.1 so it knows the new 1.5 install is my
default browser? How do i fix this? Thank in advance,

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux grsecurity question

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 9:17 am, Lars Westergren wrote:
>
> I have tried to lower my Mandrake msec persmissons temporarily from
> Higher to Poor, but I still get permission denied. Even if I put
> Eclipse in my home directory, change all permissions to me and give
> all rights to all users recursively for all files.
>
Try putting a line in /etc/security/console.perms.  It should tell 
msec not to change that location.

Also, take a look at 
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/SecurityLevels and 
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeSecurity

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Re: [newbie] nullmailer

[Derek Jennings]

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 6:03 am, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
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> Dear all,
> After abandoning effort to install esmtp, now I've installed null-mailer.
> It asked for daemontools, so I installed it too.
>
> There are 3 main programs in null-mailer:
> nullmailer-inject
> nullmailer-send
> nullmailer-queue
>
> The installation program said that I should make a script, so that
> daemontools will run nullmailer-send in background. The script is:
>   #!/bin/sh
>   exec setuidgid nullmail nullmailer-send 2>&1
>
> What I don't understand is, how do I run the script? Should I put it in
> rc.local or what.
>
> Any experience / idea?
> Thanks
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No idea. But I do know that ssmtp is available in Contrib for 9.0 
ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake-old/9.0/i586/Mandrake/RPMS2
and it is very easy to set up. A simple config file in /etc

derek

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Re: [newbie] Installing 'un-official' mdk rpm's

[Derek Jennings]

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 3:08 am, Phil Newcombe wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Thanks for the help on rpmdrake.  Now I have another question.  What's
> the best way of installing an un-official mandrake rpm.  I am trying to
> get gaim to work with msn now that they have apparently tinkered with
> the protocol.  The gaim website says it should work with a version
>
>  >7.1.  They have a dl link that has a 7.2 mdk rpm at the top of the
>
> list so I grabbed that but now it won't install because of dep
> problems.  Can I use urpmi, rpm, rpmdrake or anything else to install
> this?  Either command line or gui?
>
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If you want gaim to work with msn, then Texstar has gaim-0.71 for Mandrake 
9.1, and Charles Edwards has gaim-0.71 for Mandrake 9.2/Cooker
http://www.eslrahc.com/
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms/

Texstar is urpmi enabled. For Charles' package just click on it using 
konqueror and the magic of gurpmi will take over.

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[newbie] bittorrent

[Sour Comet]

Greetings All,

Although I find Bittorrent to be a great file sharing program, I find
that the uploading rate get so high that it brings down my network
connection. Thus, every time I return to my computer, it is necessary to
'service network restart'.  Is there a way to control the
upload/download rates?

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Re: [newbie] Network Install Fail, "Signal 11"

[HaywireMac]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:01:04 -0700
"Charlie M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Does this have anything to do with your firewall?

It seems I should have read the "errata" page.

"Error scenario: When doing a network install, on some recent machines,
the network card seems to not respond (ie. no DHCP response received).
Why: Certain motherboards still have problems with enabling APIC.
Solution: When booting the installer, press F1 at the splashscreen and
type "linux noapic" to disable APIC support."

Just thought I would post this in case anyone else encountered the same
error, i might test it later, just to see.

Many thanks to our new friend Melissa for pointing me to the errata
page.

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Re: [newbie] Weird things in 9.2

[HaywireMac]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:40:07 -0800
John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> 
> Now I know that Haywire will chime in and say "it's only a problem
> with KDE" but that is my desktop of choice and some of these tool are
> important to me.

Now, I wouldn't wanna disappoint, now would I?

It's only a problem with KDE.



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Re: [newbie] upgrading glibc? possible?

[HaywireMac]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:13:50 +0700
Fajar Priyanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Can I upgrade glibc using rpm Uvh?
> Or what is the proper way?

IIRC, glibc is *it*. Your whole system is built based on that version of
glibc, so changing it would break your system, not just a few packages,
but the whole enchilada.

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Re: [newbie] post-install 9.2 issues with mozilla and openoffice

[John Richard Smith]

Brian Parish wrote:

I have now installed 9.2 on 3 machines, 2 as upgrades and the other as a
full install.  The two upgraded machines both have small problems.  On
one - a laptop - mozilla won't start.  No errors displayed when run in a
console, just waits a while then goes away.  

That is not new , it sometimes behaved that way in M9.1, and I have 
plenty of memory, so that cannot be the issue.
I usually resorted to the other app command and ran that and then 
selected the one I really wanted from the little icon bottom lefthand 
corner, and that always worked for me.
The three main CL's are,
/usr/bin/mozilla
/usr/bin/mozilla  -mail
/usr/bin/mozilla  -news


On the other OOo sometimes
hangs at the splash screen.  I can't kill the processes.  Restart X and
up it comes.
Any ideas on either of these?

ps -aef | grep OpenOffice
root 20325 20232  0 09:37 pts/100:00:00 grep OpenOffice
kill -9 20325
or,
kill -9 20232
that should kill it, what you do after than ?
John

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[newbie] Mandrake Linux grsecurity question

[Lars Westergren]

Hi,

A basic security question here, please be kind.
:-)

I have some problems with grsec and Mandrake 9.1. I downloaded Eclipse the IDE, and 
installed it in my home directory. I ran it as root to see that everything worked (it 
did), and then started configuring the system for more users. I chowned the whole 
Eclipse directory to a group I made for the programmers, and gave just about all 
permissions to User and Group with chmod.

However, I can still only run the program as root. Whenever I try to run it as another 
user, I get "Permission denied" in bash and the following message in the system log:

kernel: grsec: denied exec of ./eclipse by (bash:29587) UID(501) EUID(501), parent 
(bash:24566) UID(501) EUID(501) reason: untrusted

I have tried to lower my Mandrake msec persmissons temporarily from Higher to Poor, 
but I still get permission denied. Even if I put Eclipse in my home directory, change 
all permissions to me and give all rights to all users recursively for all files.

I have looked around a lot on Google. So far, I have found a handful of other people 
asking this same question in different forums (Always Mandrake 9.1 users in High 
security mode that I can see, though with other programs that they try to run), but 
none of them recieve any answers.

The documentation for msec from Mandrake is very sparse, they usually just say "use 
the drakperm tools to fine tune msec", but they don't say how. Looking up grsecurity 
manuals, they usually begin with "Edit your Acess Control List permissions in the 
directory /etc/grsec by..." but I don't have that directory, nor can I find it or 
anything relating to grsec anywhere on the machine, except in the log.


What to do? Have I missed something very basic with file permissions in Linux, does it 
have anything to do with PAM, or is there a bug that came when I downloaded all the 
Mandrake security patches? I guess I could compile my own kernel for the first time 
and make sure that grsec is out, but if there is any easier and safer solution...? I 
would be very grateful for any help.

Thanks,
Lars


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Re: [newbie] VCD programs

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 7:10 am, Merlin Zener wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 04:19, Tadimeti Keshav wrote:
> > Hi
> > does the download edition of MDK 9.1 come with
> > programs that can play VCDs?
> > Installing Xine gives me problems with MD5 signs.
> > Mplayer can't play VCDs.
>
> well, it's supposed to be able to.
> On my system it plays too fast, and the video is all messed up. I
> expect it's some setting I haven't found yet - I haven't looked too
> much so far. If I rip the .dat file to my hard drive and then play
> it, it plays fine.
>
I have 2 commercially produced vcds, and they play faultlessly.  What 
version of xine are you using?  Mine is 0.9.18.  If you don't have 
the right codecs installed you will not have buttons for the various 
kinds of disk.  The one for vcd is called vcdx - if you don't have 
that you need to get plf set up as one of your sources and search for 
anything that matches your version of xine.  Download everything you 
can find.

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[newbie] post-install 9.2 issues with mozilla and openoffice

[Brian Parish]

I have now installed 9.2 on 3 machines, 2 as upgrades and the other as a
full install.  The two upgraded machines both have small problems.  On
one - a laptop - mozilla won't start.  No errors displayed when run in a
console, just waits a while then goes away.  On the other OOo sometimes
hangs at the splash screen.  I can't kill the processes.  Restart X and
up it comes.

Any ideas on either of these?

TIA
Brian


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Re: [newbie] Download Mandrake and make discs

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 21:03, Miark wrote:
> > You need to wait a few more days. They are delaying the release of the iso 
> > images due to the LG problem.  The iso's will have the solution already in 
> > the OS and should cause no one any problems. That is just my take on what has 
> > been happening and messages I have seen.
> 
> I'm still using 9.1 until all the dust settles, but I'm curious: has
> Mandrakesoft indicated whether the re-mastered ISOs will include all
> other available updates, too? I understand there are already a small
> mountain of updates released for 9.2.
> 
> Miark


Haven't heard yet but I'm anxiously awaiting this one too.  I'm tempted
to download the whole distro tree and the updates, and then use Warly's
mkcd to figure a way to do it myself.  Evidently there were quite a few
other people that wanted to do this because cooker is slammed with mail
about this subject right now; it looks like alot of people can't get it
to work.  One guy was saying that mdkkdm was stopping his show.  Kinda
funny how gdm or the KDE display manager never crapped anything out like
that.

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