Re: [newbie] Reboot with 9.2

2003-11-16 Thread Maureen L. Thomas
Dick Gevers wrote:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:00:32 -0500, Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
about Re: [newbie] Reboot with 9.2:
The invalid key entry was not a problem with the packages, but you did 
not
have the Mandrake Security Team key in your keyring.  urpmi automatically
adds the key when you set up a urpmi source, but you have to add it
manually if you don't use urpmi.  If you download the updates to a local
source, also include the ../base directory, because that includes the key
and then you can just use urpmi.addmedia

IIRCC this was also mentioned on the errata page (not intending to
be accusing, though).
I have added a few notes about the new way .rpm packages are authenticated
on http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/GnuPG
HTH

Cheers,
=Dick Gevers=
Thanks for the heads up, I will check it out.
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Re: [newbie] Reboot with 9.2

2003-11-16 Thread Maureen L. Thomas
David E. Fox wrote:

I installed 9.2 from the powerpack disks I purchased.  A few quirks but 
it went well.  I had already downloaded all the security updates and bug 
fixes so I skipped it during install.  Finished the install and went for 
   

I imagine you're getting those invalid keys during urpmi, assuming you're
installing that way. This issue is still plaguing me and probably others
as well. Many RPMs pass through OK - but some on contrib or on the main
repository list (so I figure it would be true of updates) come back with
invalid keys. Using urpmi, you should still be able to upgrade these. 

How were you invoking the upgrade?

 

machine.  I had installed the updated kernel so I had to reboot.  Using 
Grub for the bootloader.  I got an error 13, no file found on both the 
   

That's nasty. I don't believe the two issues are related. Does Grub see
the boot partition? 


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Actually I manually downloaded the files and then used the control 
center to install them.  They seem to be OK.  No other problems besides 
the reboot thing.  I do believe that GRUB is seeing my boot partition, 
but I haven't tried to reboot since I got it up and running.


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[newbie] RE: Rebooting, Greg, my boot directory contents

2003-11-16 Thread Maureen L. Thomas
I forgot to add this to the previous message.  Maureen



[EMAIL PROTECTED] boot]$ ls
boot.0300initrd-2.4.22-21mdk.img  message-text
config@  initrd.img@  System.map@
config-2.4.22-10mdk  kernel.h@System.map-2.4.22-10mdk
config-2.4.22-21mdk  kernel.h-2.4.22-10mdkSystem.map-2.4.22-21mdk
diag1.imgkernel.h-2.4.22-21mdkus.klt
diag2.imgmap  vmlinuz@
grub/message@ vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk
initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img  message-graphic  vmlinuz-2.4.22-21mdk


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Re: [newbie] ** LIST ISSUES: PLEASE READ **

2003-11-16 Thread Roland Hughes
The attached bounce occurs with every message I send to the list.
Roly

On Friday 14 November 2003 07:27 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
> > Somebody scribbled about Re: [newbie] ** LIST ISSUES: PLEASE READ
> > **
> >
> > >I have been getting bounce backs for days and had no idea what
> > >was going
> > > on. It makes any interaction to the list very laborious. Can you
> > > fix me up? Roly
> >
> > Me too :(. Thought the issue was MAPS related but that's anyone's
> > guess, and I'm still trying to find out more specifics.
>
> How many bounces did you get?

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I have been getting bounce backs for days and had no idea what was going on.  
It makes any interaction to the list very laborious. Can you fix me up?
Roly

On Friday 14 November 2003 08:47 am, Eric Huff wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Sympa has all of a sudden decided that i do indeed need to see all
> email bounced back to newbie.
>
> Of the over 1500 subscribers, ~ 400 of them were bad addys.
>
> Anyway, i have been unsubbing all these bad addresses.
>
> I deeply apologize if i nuke anyone by accident.  If i do, please
> let me know, and i'll resub you if you haven't beat me to it.
> (I did accidentily nab a couple of you, but resubbed immediately, so
> just ignore the bounce email if you are still getting list email).
>
> Many of the bounces are from accounts that are over quota.
> Please, make sure your email address can handle the load of this
> list, and if you go on vacation, please set your mail to nomail.
> See 8.2 on
> http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette
> for instructions.
>
> Now back to your regularly scheduled insanity,
> eric

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[newbie] Firewall logging

2003-11-16 Thread Greg Meyer
I have Shorewall set up on my laptop, but I am finding that my logs are 
getting inundated with messages from Shorewall telling me about all the 
packets being dropped from the Windows machines on my network.

How can I reduce the amount of logging that goes on and is it safe to do so.  
Do I really need to know about every one of these stray packets?
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Re: [newbie] website test, please

2003-11-16 Thread Charlie
On Sunday 16 November 2003 20:22, Eric Huff wrote:
> Would someone test www.topica.com for me?
>
> On konq, opera and firebird i get almost none of the links.
>
Seems to work ok for me in Mozilla 1.3 and Konquerer 3.1.0 (mandrake 9.1)



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Re: [newbie] website test, please

2003-11-16 Thread Russ
It seems to work fine for me in Mozilla and Konq (MDK 9.1)

Russ

Eric Huff wrote:
Would someone test www.topica.com for me?

On konq, opera and firebird i get almost none of the links.

If i boot into windoze, it works fine on IE.  I imagine it's crappy
html code, but want to make sure.
And, on that note, what's your favorite mailing list site?  I have
been on and adminned groups at topica, and it's easy to use, but it
won't be it i can't get it to show up.
At the moment I am not up for running one at home...

thanks,
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[newbie] apache and php help needed

2003-11-16 Thread Charlie
Running mandrake 9.1, mysql 4.0.11a, apache 1.3.27 and php 4.3.0, all right of 
the mandrake 9.1 CD's.

I'm trying to set up PHP to view data pulled from mysql database. I have the 
mysql database up and running fine. (this is on a small home network)

I have apache and php installed but something is not right. Apache service 
shows as running in Mandrake control center, but not in webmin. In webmin it 
says "The Apache root directory /etc/httpd2 does not exist. If you have 
Apache installed, adjust the module configuration to use the correct paths."

Unable to determine what PHP is doing. phpinfo() command does nothing when 
viewed in browser.

I have tried to locate info on various web pages but am still in the dark. I 
am totally new to Apache and PHP and could use any advise.

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Re: [newbie] website test, please

2003-11-16 Thread Dennis Myers
On Sunday 16 November 2003 09:22 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
> Would someone test www.topica.com for me?
>
> On konq, opera and firebird i get almost none of the links.
>
> If i boot into windoze, it works fine on IE.  I imagine it's crappy
> html code, but want to make sure.
>
> And, on that note, what's your favorite mailing list site?  I have
> been on and adminned groups at topica, and it's easy to use, but it
> won't be it i can't get it to show up.
>
> At the moment I am not up for running one at home...
>
> thanks,
> eric
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Re: [newbie] website test, please

2003-11-16 Thread HaywireMac
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:22:57 -0800
Eric Huff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Would someone test www.topica.com for me?
> 
> On konq, opera and firebird i get almost none of the links.
> 
> If i boot into windoze, it works fine on IE.  I imagine it's crappy
> html code, but want to make sure.
> 
> And, on that note, what's your favorite mailing list site?  I have
> been on and adminned groups at topica, and it's easy to use, but it
> won't be it i can't get it to show up.
> 
> At the moment I am not up for running one at home...

Seems to work fine in Galeon.

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[newbie] website test, please

2003-11-16 Thread Eric Huff
Would someone test www.topica.com for me?

On konq, opera and firebird i get almost none of the links.

If i boot into windoze, it works fine on IE.  I imagine it's crappy
html code, but want to make sure.

And, on that note, what's your favorite mailing list site?  I have
been on and adminned groups at topica, and it's easy to use, but it
won't be it i can't get it to show up.

At the moment I am not up for running one at home...

thanks,
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Re: [newbie] cdroms: how to check firmware rev

2003-11-16 Thread Eric Huff
> > Is there a way to check the firmware revison of ide cdroms?

> I believe that /sbin/hdparm -I will dump a ton of information at
> least for ide hard drives, and it is said to work for CDROMs too.

Cool. I hadn't thought of hdparm for the cdr, but it does give most
of the info cdrecord gives, and some it doesn't.

> > Is there any harm in setting the ide cdrom to scsi emulation? 
> > (i can't see why their would be).

> Not any that I have ever run across.

OK.

Thbanks for the tips,
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[newbie] Install on old hardware

2003-11-16 Thread C. Tresenriter
After several attempts to install 9.0, 9.1 and 9.2 on a PT-5VMD
mobo (VIA MVP3 chipset), I finally got through the formatting stage and
packages began to install and then crashed with a (now) familiar
message that I've seen at different stages - sometimes right after
booting, sometimes when formatting failed:

CPU:0   Oops: 0002
EIP:0010:[]   Not tainted
EFLAGS: 00010002
eax: 07d10001   ebx: c0255460   ecx:    edx: e00
esi: 000e00   edi:    ebp: c0217e74   esp: c0217e4c
ds: 0018   es: 0018
Process swapper (pid: 0, stackpage=c0217000)
Stack: ff00 c0176888 0010 0202 0008 00d02400 c02554cc
(etc two more rows here)
Call Trace  [] [] .
 (and two more rows here)

Code 00 83 c4 0c c7 43 60 00 00 00 00 eb a1 90 fc 06 1e 50 55 57
<0>Kernel panic: Aiee, killing interrupt handler!
In interrupt handler - not syncing

The processor is an AMD K6 - 400 with 131 MB RAM and a Seagate 4.3 Gb
hard disk.

I'm guessing it's hardware related.
Anyone have a clue what's happening?

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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Problems

2003-11-16 Thread Joe
David E. Fox wrote:

I'm considering taking a look at gentoo, should prove interesting,
but I think it would take a long time to bring it up on this 1.0
gig box.
 

Let us know how it goes if you decide to go through with it. I am also 
interested in gentoo. I am also considering trying Suse, which i have 
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[newbie] VT8237 SATA striping recognised as sda/sdb

2003-11-16 Thread Vincent Cornelissens
Hi,


My system consists of an AMD Opteron 142 on a MSI K8T800 Master1 (MS-9130)
with a VT8237 southbridge. When I configure a new RAID0 array (press tab,
little menu) using the onboard SATA controller and I boot the 9.2 it keeps
recognising the sata striping as two independent disks.

Should I configure software raid instead? Is there no way at all to install
this 64bit OS on my 64bit PC using my two SATA WD disks at the same time?

Windows XP/2K install working, so hardware should be ok.

Thanks in advance for any helpful tips

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Re: [newbie] cdroms: how to check firmware rev

2003-11-16 Thread Rob Blomquist
On Sunday 16 November 2003 4:15 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
> Is there a way to check the firmware revison of ide cdroms?
>
> On scsi emulated ones, cdrecord --checkdrive dev=0,0,0 tells all.
>
> Is there a way to do this for ide drives?  I have a utility in
> windows that does it, but it's not as complete, and i'd rather be
> able to do it in linux.
I believe that /sbin/hdparm -I will dump a ton of information at least for ide 
hard drives, and it is said to work for CDROMs too.

> Is there any harm in setting the ide cdrom to scsi emulation?  (i
> can't see why their would be).
Not any that I have ever run across.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.2 Hanging on Boot

2003-11-16 Thread aronsmith
On Saturday 15 November 2003 08:54 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The boot stops at "Starting ALSA 0.9.6".  This is the same problem that
> I had with 9.1 which was solved with the help of this list.
> Unfortunately, I don't remember what the solution was!  Please help. . .
>
> Rich
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Re: [newbie] sylpheed and gtk2

2003-11-16 Thread Todd Slater
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:17:55PM -0600, John Drouhard wrote:
> Here's a simple question: How can I make sylpheed claws compile with
> gtk2 instead of gtk1.4? Gtk2 has a slicker interface and is much nicer
> everyway around.

John, that's a question for the developers. They'd have to write it for
gtk2. No small undertaking from what I understand.

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Re: [newbie] sylpheed and gtk2

2003-11-16 Thread John Drouhard
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:23:41 -0500
HaywireMac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:17:55 -0600
> John Drouhard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Here's a simple question: How can I make sylpheed claws compile with
> > gtk2 instead of gtk1.4? Gtk2 has a slicker interface and is much
> > nicer everyway around.
> 
> Agreed, but it's no simple matter at all, the app would have to be
> completely recoded to use the GTK2 widget set. There is a Sylpheed
> GTK2 project on Sourceforge, that's what I use, but I don't know about
> Claws.

I tried it. I complied it with Jpilot support 'cause I thought that
sounded cool, but everytime I try to run it, it has a segmentation
fault. I did uninstall my other installation of sylpheed-claws first,
btw. Oh well, I'll keep trying.

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Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.

2003-11-16 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:15 pm, candlish wrote:

> Linux must be able to do this and better than MS.

The fact that it doesn't do this is one of the things that makes Linux better 
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Re: [newbie] Remastering-with-updates HOWTO?

2003-11-16 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 16 November 2003 05:36 pm, Sharrea Day wrote:
> Please excuse the cross-post but I'm hoping Greg Meyer will see this
>
I see it, I see it already :-)  I saw your original post on Cooker, I just 
forgot to respond.  I have had several people e-mail me on this in the past 
few days and I forgot who I replied to and who I didn't

> On Saturday 25 Oct 2003 13:19:33 -0700 pm, Greg Meyer wrote to Cooker
>
> mailing list:
> > On Saturday 25 October 2003 10:06 am, Warly wrote:
> > > 2nd solution, remaster the CD. Use the config files into the misc dir
> > > into repositories. Replace the list line with
> > >
> > > list -k cooker_key_file -k update_key_file 1 cooker_path/misc/download
> > > cooker_path_/misc/main rpmlist -b update_RPMS/
> > > rpmlist -b 9.2_RPMS/
> >
> > Do you have to replace the RPMS in the Mandrake/RPMS directory with the
> > updated ones, or does this just tell mkcd to look in both the
> > Mandrake/RPMS and updates/RPMS directory and then takes the newer of the
> > packages for the isos?
> >
> > This is what those lines look like now in the 92.conf file
> >
> > list -k /Mandrake/base/pubkey 1 /download \
> >  /main
> > rpmlist -b /RPMS
>
> Greg, how did you get on with this?
>
Unfortunately, not much progress was made.  I started out a few weeks ago 
trying to figure it out through trial and error, but quickly got frustrated 
because every attempt at using the config file resulted in failure.  The only 
way I could get it to work was in auto mode, which is not what I wanted.

> Did you copy the updated RPMs into the Mandrake/RPMS, Mandrake/RPMS2,
> Mandrake/RPMS3 directories?
>
I created an update directory and then added it to the config file, and then 
when I reran mkcd, the resulting selections included both the old and the new 
versions.  I was led to believe by warly's posts that only the newer one 
would be selected.  Also, the iso images wouldn't actually get written, there 
was always an error and I don't recall what it was off the top of my head.

> What do  and  actually refer to?
>
Not sure, and I don't know how base/rpmsrate or base/pkglist files play into 
this either.

> I'm having a hell of a job getting this to work.  I added an extra
> directory for plf and contrib RPMS and ended up with 6 ISOs but many files
> were rejected because of missing dependencies.  Also the 1st CD ISO is not
> made which contains the kernel.

This will always occur from what I understand.  Most of the packages I have 
seen get rejected are actually pretty inconsequential, but annoying 
nonetheless.  Occasionally an important package gets left out, like the 
kernel.

I also had to uninstall Perl because the version that comes with 9.2 is 
incompatible with the version of mkcd, so I had to uninstall Perla and then 
force the use of the Perl modules in the dist tree by using MakeCD.
>
> I'm not actually using Cooker but want to include all "update" RPMs.  Any
> advice would be much appreciated.
>
I think the way to go here is to *replace* the original rpms with the updates 
right in the dist tree and then run MakeCD in auto mode.  This should give 
you a set of iso's.  

I really wanted to document this, but anybody that appeared to figure this out 
didn't comply with my request for feedback and I got nothing really positive 
to include.  HTH, but I suspect not.

What else can I do?
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Re: [newbie] ATAPI 52x CD-Rom Reader error

2003-11-16 Thread C. Tresenriter
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:37:44 +
SN wrote:

|I'm having some problems with my ATAPI 52x CD-Rom. It's supposed to be
|my reader device in K3B, but right now it doesn't work. It isn't
|currently set to scsi, but I don't know how to make it that way. What
|could I do to get my CD Reader working in K3b?


Add:
hdx=ide-scsi 
(x being...b for the primary slave, c for the secondary
master, etc...)  to the "append" line in your /etc/fstab.
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Re: [newbie] dvdrw drivers

2003-11-16 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 16 November 2003 05:39 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:

> I think we need both approaches - and it doesn't matter (to me, any
> way) that you are suggesting a suitable package that isn't completely
> free.  I wonder if someone would volunteer to do some cli stuff -
> even if they're not ready yet, while you put the gui stuff on the
> same page (or linked page)

Well, I will try to add some of the GUI stuff that I know about tomorrow.  I 
know that K3B just added dvd writer support and I am pretty sure that it is 
also in the current version of xcdroast, so that means at least two free 
packages that have it.

I have had mixed results with xcdroast, however, I think that its support for 
dvd-r and -rw is better than for +rw.

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Re: [newbie] ATAPI 52x CD-Rom Reader error

2003-11-16 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:37 pm, Scott Naylor wrote:
> I'm having some problems with my ATAPI 52x CD-Rom. It's supposed to be my
> reader device in K3B, but right now it doesn't work. It isn't currently set
> to scsi, but I don't know how to make it that way. What could I do to get
> my CD Reader working in K3b?

find out what the cd-rom device is and add hdx=ide-scsi as a boot paramater in 
your lilo.conf, where the x is the letter of your reader.  There should 
already be an entry for your writer.  then run lilo and reboot.
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Re: [newbie] sylpheed and gtk2

2003-11-16 Thread HaywireMac
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:17:55 -0600
John Drouhard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here's a simple question: How can I make sylpheed claws compile with
> gtk2 instead of gtk1.4? Gtk2 has a slicker interface and is much nicer
> everyway around.

Agreed, but it's no simple matter at all, the app would have to be completely recoded 
to use the GTK2 widget set. There is a Sylpheed GTK2 project on Sourceforge, that's 
what I use, but I don't know about Claws.

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[newbie] sylpheed and gtk2

2003-11-16 Thread John Drouhard
Here's a simple question: How can I make sylpheed claws compile with
gtk2 instead of gtk1.4? Gtk2 has a slicker interface and is much nicer
everyway around.

Thanks,
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Re: [newbie] test

2003-11-16 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 20:07, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> On Sunday 16 November 2003 08:23 am, Adolfo Bello wrote:
> > Not receiving mails from the list for a while
> 
> Adolfo:
> Perhaps the simplest solution is to resubscribe. Sympa gets forgetful from 
> time to time.
> -- cmg

Thanks, Carroll.

My ISP mail server was down for about an hour. I realized that when I
couldn't send the test mail. I just forgot to remove it from the outbox.

Saludos,


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Re: [newbie] MP# players

2003-11-16 Thread E. Hines
On Saturday 15 November 2003 09:09 am, Aron Smith wrote:
> > > I just bought a ARCHOS Ondi0 128
> > > when i plug it in I can read the directory under /mnt/removable
> > > the problem is that I can't write or copy my mp3s to that directory any
> > > suggestions ?
> > > thanks
> > > smitty
> >
> > It could be a permissions problem.The /etc/fstab line for the 
removable drive
> > should have "user" in it somewhere, similar to this:
> >
> > /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850
> >
> > etc, etc
>
> My etc/fstab for removable looks like this
> /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto
> user,iocharset=iso8859-1,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,exec 0 0

I still suspect that it is a permissions problem if you can see the drive, but 
not write to it.  A possible solution to check this would be:  Try to copy a 
file to the drive from the command line.   The error you get may give 
information as to the nature of the problem. 

If the operation fails due to lack of permission, try again as root.

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[newbie] cdroms: how to check firmware rev

2003-11-16 Thread Eric Huff
Is there a way to check the firmware revison of ide cdroms?

On scsi emulated ones, cdrecord --checkdrive dev=0,0,0 tells all.

Is there a way to do this for ide drives?  I have a utility in
windows that does it, but it's not as complete, and i'd rather be
able to do it in linux.

Is there any harm in setting the ide cdrom to scsi emulation?  (i
can't see why their would be).

thanks,
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Re: [newbie] test

2003-11-16 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Sunday 16 November 2003 08:23 am, Adolfo Bello wrote:
> Not receiving mails from the list for a while

Adolfo:
Perhaps the simplest solution is to resubscribe. Sympa gets forgetful from 
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[newbie] ATAPI 52x CD-Rom Reader error

2003-11-16 Thread Scott Naylor
I'm having some problems with my ATAPI 52x CD-Rom. It's supposed to be my 
reader device in K3B, but right now it doesn't work. It isn't currently set 
to scsi, but I don't know how to make it that way. What could I do to get my 
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[newbie] Konq doesn't go to d/l page

2003-11-16 Thread Miark
When I visit http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3
in Mozilla and click on the second green button to 
proceed to the download page, it works fine. Konq, on
the other hand, doesn't take me there (or anywhere else). 

Anybody else experienced this? (KDE 3.1.4)

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Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.

2003-11-16 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:15 pm, candlish wrote:
>
> I think that you are going to be very pleased with this development in
> spite of your current sentiments.

Malcolm:
If you really want me to enjoy some music with my e-mail, send me a harmonica 
and I'll take it from there.
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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Problems

2003-11-16 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:53 pm, David E. Fox wrote:
>  trying to do from cooker main

That's you're problems right there.  Not sure why you're using KDE from Cooker 
as it is very broken FWIH.  You should completely uninstall KDE and then 
reinstall from the Cooker mirrors, including the COoker QT if you want to run 
Cooker version.  You probably have a mix of old and new on there causing your 
problem. 
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Re: [newbie] dvdrw drivers

2003-11-16 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 16 Nov 2003 10:27 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
> Well, I sort of foresee this as being much less of a problem in the
> coming months, or moreso depending on how you look at it.  The
> newest DVD burner drives that are out support almost all formats of
> media, including DVD+R/+RW/-R/-RW which covers the spectrum.  The
> biggest issue will be in explaining that depending on what media
> you want to burn, you need a different toolset, including different
> tools for the exact same hardware device but dependent on what
> media is in the burner.
>
> Unfortunately, I am not the best person to do a detailed CLI howto
> for dvd burning, I can do it but it is still a lot of trial and
> error to get it right for me and I prefer the GUI front-ends.
>
> There are a couple of new GUI's that take the guesswork out of it
> and support both different tools and formats and can even
> autodetect the media in the drive and use the right tool for that
> media.  So, either newbies will go for the GUI (as I would expect)
> and it will become fairly seamless for them, or they will stick
> with the CLI, in which case, making the right choices and
> explaining why becomes a major headache.
>
> I will quickly plug one of the GUI's again, it is NOT free but is
> very reasonable and has a lot of nice features.  WebCDWriter is a
> web based GUI for CD and DVD burning that now features full support
> for just about every kind of media and format that you would want
> to burn.  You simply configure it for the device that you have and
> what it supports, Tell it what kind of disk you want to burn and it
> opens the drive and prompts you to insert the media and off you go.
>  If you want the CD burning version, it is free and the DVD version
> costs about 25 euros, last I checked.
>
> http://joerghaeger.de/webCDwriter/

I think we need both approaches - and it doesn't matter (to me, any 
way) that you are suggesting a suitable package that isn't completely 
free.  I wonder if someone would volunteer to do some cli stuff - 
even if they're not ready yet, while you put the gui stuff on the 
same page (or linked page)

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[newbie] Remastering-with-updates HOWTO?

2003-11-16 Thread Sharrea Day
Please excuse the cross-post but I'm hoping Greg Meyer will see this

On Saturday 25 Oct 2003 13:19:33 -0700 pm, Greg Meyer wrote to Cooker 
mailing list:
> On Saturday 25 October 2003 10:06 am, Warly wrote:
> >
> > 2nd solution, remaster the CD. Use the config files into the misc dir
> > into repositories. Replace the list line with
> >
> > list -k cooker_key_file -k update_key_file 1 cooker_path/misc/download
> > cooker_path_/misc/main rpmlist -b update_RPMS/
> > rpmlist -b 9.2_RPMS/

> Do you have to replace the RPMS in the Mandrake/RPMS directory with the 
> updated ones, or does this just tell mkcd to look in both the 
> Mandrake/RPMS and updates/RPMS directory and then takes the newer of the 
> packages for the isos?

> This is what those lines look like now in the 92.conf file

> list -k /Mandrake/base/pubkey 1 /download \
>  /main
> rpmlist -b /RPMS

Greg, how did you get on with this?

Did you copy the updated RPMs into the Mandrake/RPMS, Mandrake/RPMS2, 
Mandrake/RPMS3 directories?

What do  and  actually refer to?

I'm having a hell of a job getting this to work.  I added an extra directory 
for plf and contrib RPMS and ended up with 6 ISOs but many files were 
rejected because of missing dependencies.  Also the 1st CD ISO is not made 
which contains the kernel.

I'm not actually using Cooker but want to include all "update" RPMs.  Any 
advice would be much appreciated.

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Re: [newbie] Downloading ISO problem

2003-11-16 Thread Russ
Try Konquerer, it does large files just fine and even resumes a failed 
download.

Just a thought
Russ
Jason Greenwood wrote:
I HIGHLY suggest you use gFTP or another ftp client instead of Mozilla. 
Browsers were never designed to download large files

Cheers

Jason

Sharrea Day wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:34, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 

Hey guys - I've got something strange going on. I'm trying to download
the 9.2 ISOs from the US/Indiana mirror, and I can't quite get it to 
work
right. I'll start the download with Mozilla, check the box for the
download dialog box to stay open after downloading, then let it run. 
I've
got broadband, and am getting about 216k/s download speeds (roughly 55
mins per ISO). However, what happens is that Mozilla downloads, the box
shows 100 percent, progress bar all the way over, but when I check the
ISO itself, its like 270 megs one time, then 384 megs the next time. 
Even
though Mozilla says its 100 percent downloaded.

I've never had this happen before - any ideas? Thanks.
  


Sorry, don't know much 'bout downloading with mozilla which I don't 
have much luck with anyway, but...

From what I've heard, using a browser to download large files is not 
a good 
idea.  Use and ftp client or a downloader app like d4x.  Personally I 
use d4x (Downloader for X) which I've never had a problem with and 
supports resuming downloads.

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Re: [newbie] dvdrw drivers

2003-11-16 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 16 November 2003 03:55 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Sunday 16 Nov 2003 8:13 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
> > > Is it on the TWiki Bryan?  If not, can you put it there.
> >
> > If someone had asked for some specific info, I probably would have.
> >  This is just general info about a particular writeable media
> > format.
>
> I foresee this being something that is asked more frequently in the
> coming months, which is why I thought it a good idea to put it up.
> Any pointers make a good starting place, and as dvd-writers are
> becoming so much cheaper, more people will be wanting to buy them.
> Certainly I will want to read all I can before I buy.

Well, I sort of foresee this as being much less of a problem in the coming 
months, or moreso depending on how you look at it.  The newest DVD burner 
drives that are out support almost all formats of media, including 
DVD+R/+RW/-R/-RW which covers the spectrum.  The biggest issue will be in 
explaining that depending on what media you want to burn, you need a 
different toolset, including different tools for the exact same hardware 
device but dependent on what media is in the burner.

Unfortunately, I am not the best person to do a detailed CLI howto for dvd 
burning, I can do it but it is still a lot of trial and error to get it right 
for me and I prefer the GUI front-ends.

There are a couple of new GUI's that take the guesswork out of it and support 
both different tools and formats and can even autodetect the media in the 
drive and use the right tool for that media.  So, either newbies will go for 
the GUI (as I would expect) and it will become fairly seamless for them, or 
they will stick with the CLI, in which case, making the right choices and 
explaining why becomes a major headache.

I will quickly plug one of the GUI's again, it is NOT free but is very 
reasonable and has a lot of nice features.  WebCDWriter is a web based GUI 
for CD and DVD burning that now features full support for just about every 
kind of media and format that you would want to burn.  You simply configure 
it for the device that you have and what it supports, Tell it what kind of 
disk you want to burn and it opens the drive and prompts you to insert the 
media and off you go.  If you want the CD burning version, it is free and the 
DVD version costs about 25 euros, last I checked.

http://joerghaeger.de/webCDwriter/

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Re: [newbie] Downloading ISO problem

2003-11-16 Thread Charlie M.
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Sunday 16 November 2003 2:34 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> Hey guys - I've got something strange going on. I'm trying to download the
> 9.2 ISOs from the US/Indiana mirror, and I can't quite get it to work
> right. I'll start the download with Mozilla, check the box for the download
> dialog box to stay open after downloading, then let it run. I've got
> broadband, and am getting about 216k/s download speeds (roughly 55 mins per
> ISO). However, what happens is that Mozilla downloads, the box shows 100
> percent, progress bar all the way over, but when I check the ISO itself,
> its like 270 megs one time, then 384 megs the next time. Even though
> Mozilla says its 100 percent downloaded.
>
> I've never had this happen before - any ideas? Thanks.

Yeah, I'd try gftp or one of the other ftp apps called from a terminal in the 
directory you want the download in. For example:

gftp ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/Mandrake/iso

starts the download but the message from the server is that there are too many 
anonymous users for the transaction to complete at this time. Try a different 
server. Such as one of the European ones where people are likely asleep at 
the moment. 

Or if you already have an old set of ISOs from a previous version rename them 
to reflect the new release name and use rsync in a terminal to "download the 
differences" which is the method I generally use. Or just use rsync to 
download them instead of an ftp front end app. If you do have the ISOs and 
have renamed them add --delete before the --progress flag. Example:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] nanook]$rsync -avrt --progress 
ftp.uninett.no::Mandrake/Mandrake/iso/ /downloads/torrent/

All spaces are single.

Of course change the source mirror and destination directory to suit you, but 
I know for a fact the download is fairly fast from the server in the example. 
Reading the rsync man page or rsync --help wouldn't hurt either. (-;

HTH
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Re: [newbie] Downloading ISO problem

2003-11-16 Thread Jason Greenwood
I HIGHLY suggest you use gFTP or another ftp client instead of Mozilla. 
Browsers were never designed to download large files

Cheers

Jason

Sharrea Day wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:34, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 

Hey guys - I've got something strange going on. I'm trying to download
the 9.2 ISOs from the US/Indiana mirror, and I can't quite get it to work
right. I'll start the download with Mozilla, check the box for the
download dialog box to stay open after downloading, then let it run. I've
got broadband, and am getting about 216k/s download speeds (roughly 55
mins per ISO). However, what happens is that Mozilla downloads, the box
shows 100 percent, progress bar all the way over, but when I check the
ISO itself, its like 270 megs one time, then 384 megs the next time. Even
though Mozilla says its 100 percent downloaded.
I've never had this happen before - any ideas? Thanks.
   

Sorry, don't know much 'bout downloading with mozilla which I don't have 
much luck with anyway, but...

From what I've heard, using a browser to download large files is not a good 
idea.  Use and ftp client or a downloader app like d4x.  Personally I use 
d4x (Downloader for X) which I've never had a problem with and supports 
resuming downloads.

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Re: [newbie] Downloading ISO problem

2003-11-16 Thread David E. Fox
> Hey guys - I've got something strange going on. I'm trying to download the 9.2 
> ISOs from the US/Indiana mirror, and I can't quite get it to work right. I'll 

I had a different type of issue with mozilla, but I would go to the ftp site
directly with ncftp.


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Re: [newbie] Reboot with 9.2

2003-11-16 Thread Dick Gevers
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:00:32 -0500, Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
about Re: [newbie] Reboot with 9.2:

>The invalid key entry was not a problem with the packages, but you did not 
>have the Mandrake Security Team key in your keyring.  urpmi automatically 
>adds the key when you set up a urpmi source, but you have to add it
>manually if you don't use urpmi.  If you download the updates to a local
>source, also include the ../base directory, because that includes the key
>and then you can just use urpmi.addmedia

IIRCC this was also mentioned on the errata page (not intending to
be accusing, though).

I have added a few notes about the new way .rpm packages are authenticated
on http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/GnuPG

HTH

Cheers,
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Re: [newbie] Needed file

2003-11-16 Thread Russ
Well, I installed lesstif but no dice. As you noted below, it only has 
libXm.so.2 and I need 3. I found a version that had 3 but it was for Red 
Hat. I tried to install that one but too many errors.

Oh well.

thanks for the help
Russ
David E. Fox wrote:
I tried installing a program using an rpm for 9.1 (which I am running) 
but it says I am missing a file libXm.so.3 I did a search and came up empty.


That's Motif. Per "urpmf libXm" it's provided by lesstif, so install
that. But here (9.2 cooker) I only see libXm.so.2. 

Currently (per rpm -qa | grep lesstif) I see:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# rpm -qa | grep lesstif
lesstif-0.93.49-3mdk

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Re: [newbie] Downloading ISO problem

2003-11-16 Thread Sharrea Day
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:34, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> Hey guys - I've got something strange going on. I'm trying to download
> the 9.2 ISOs from the US/Indiana mirror, and I can't quite get it to work
> right. I'll start the download with Mozilla, check the box for the
> download dialog box to stay open after downloading, then let it run. I've
> got broadband, and am getting about 216k/s download speeds (roughly 55
> mins per ISO). However, what happens is that Mozilla downloads, the box
> shows 100 percent, progress bar all the way over, but when I check the
> ISO itself, its like 270 megs one time, then 384 megs the next time. Even
> though Mozilla says its 100 percent downloaded.
>
> I've never had this happen before - any ideas? Thanks.

Sorry, don't know much 'bout downloading with mozilla which I don't have 
much luck with anyway, but...

>From what I've heard, using a browser to download large files is not a good 
idea.  Use and ftp client or a downloader app like d4x.  Personally I use 
d4x (Downloader for X) which I've never had a problem with and supports 
resuming downloads.

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[newbie] Downloading ISO problem

2003-11-16 Thread Ronald J. Hall
Hey guys - I've got something strange going on. I'm trying to download the 9.2 
ISOs from the US/Indiana mirror, and I can't quite get it to work right. I'll 
start the download with Mozilla, check the box for the download dialog box to 
stay open after downloading, then let it run. I've got broadband, and am 
getting about 216k/s download speeds (roughly 55 mins per ISO). However, what 
happens is that Mozilla downloads, the box shows 100 percent, progress bar 
all the way over, but when I check the ISO itself, its like 270 megs one 
time, then 384 megs the next time. Even though Mozilla says its 100 percent 
downloaded.

I've never had this happen before - any ideas? Thanks.

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Re: [newbie] Needed file

2003-11-16 Thread Dick Gevers
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:15:45 -0500, "Dave-Linux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote about RE: [newbie] Needed file:

>Whenever you need some particular file like this, go to
>http://rpmfind.net/, and type in the exact file name.  You will get a
>page listing rpms (usually compatible with most/all architectures and
>distros) containing the file.  

Or try http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com, but I believe you should be a member,
if you aren`r already ;-)

Ciao,
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Re: [newbie] gnome & authentication keys & 9.2 issues

2003-11-16 Thread Dick Gevers
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:07:01 +, Inhabitant of Zion
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about [newbie] gnome & authentication keys &
9.2 issues:

>The one problem that I also have is gnome now when loading takes
>forever... the splash screen stays up for ages at the bit about loading
>the authentication icon... sometimes it does not load and other times
>it loads twice and gnome does not seem to happy.

When I started Gnome yesterday for a while via GDM I saw that ssh had also
started !? When via KDM or Mdkkdm I believe it doesn`r, but I could be
wrong; `cause I rarely use Gnome: IceWM is my favourite.

HTH
Ciao
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Re: [newbie] dvdrw drivers

2003-11-16 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 16 Nov 2003 8:13 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
> > Is it on the TWiki Bryan?  If not, can you put it there.
>
> If someone had asked for some specific info, I probably would have.
>  This is just general info about a particular writeable media
> format.

I foresee this being something that is asked more frequently in the 
coming months, which is why I thought it a good idea to put it up.  
Any pointers make a good starting place, and as dvd-writers are 
becoming so much cheaper, more people will be wanting to buy them.  
Certainly I will want to read all I can before I buy.

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Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.

2003-11-16 Thread Charlie M.
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Sunday 16 November 2003 12:15 pm, candlish wrote:
> Dear Charlie,
>
> Thank you for your comments.

You may have missed my point (the one on my head (-;) though.

> E-mail sound may not have a need for html and the requirement for hugh
> downloads can be avoided. E-mail sounds tend to be around 35k or 3
> seconds modem action.

The only time I did anything resembling the proposal that started this 
diatribe was one "birthday card" that was e-mailed to the person in question 
the day I delivered and set up her system. I used files from her hard drive 
called by html because it was;

a.) a much "lighter" message in terms of size,
b.) I knew exactly what I could call for effect because I had placed the files 
on her system before I delivered it.

Less than 15 minutes later all scripting in e-mail was turned off and the 
Outlook Express quick launch icon actually called Opera Mail. Belt'n'braces 
as some would say.

The message was less than ten kilo bytes but the background, music and fonts 
were all displayed as intended. Size does matter, even though here in Canada 
there are few people that don't have access to broadband connections, it's 
not exactly effective to your intended purpose to have a person on dial up 
have a "card" that takes 2 to 10 minutes to load, now is it?

I think my method now is a more reasonable response. By that I mean a small 
animated "Happy Birthday" gif for example, or just a link to a page that 
expresses the appropriate sentiment, as an "e-card" that I've stored on my 
own web space gives the flexibility that I want without having to reverse the 
effect of my years of screaming at people to never allow remote images, 
applications, or scripts to run in e-mail clients. I choose not to have to 
fight that battle again.

Viruses, trojans, and worms, are an unfortunate reality; and having spent all 
of this time trying to convince people whose systems I'm responsible for not 
to open the door to malware, even by accident, means I'm damned if I'll 
condone anything more that what I've already stated. The way the last few 
worms have been written means that even my method is suspect, since they can 
be activated easily from a corrupted gif, jpeg, or a simple hyper link or 
through simple instant messenger connections. Or worse. None of the systems 
in question have anything like that level of vulnerability since I won't 
allow it, but who knows what the authors of malicious software are going to 
think up next. With Microsoft's unwitting(???) help of course.

If you think I feel that this is a war, and that e-mail is one of the primary 
battle fields;

DUH!

> Not very much fun sending a Christmas card to a recipient, who has to
> look up a web page to find a manufactured e-mail to get a result.

Look up what Malcolm? The links I've sent to people are direct to a web page 
designed to convey my greetings/message. The whole page, and no external 
links. One click on an e-mail link versus increased vulnerability. I know 
which I prefer since I have to clean any resultant nasties out if and 
when

> Linux must be able to do this and better than MS.

It does, by not allowing such ridiculous abuses by default.

> Best wishes,
>
> Malcolm Candlish.


I wish you well with your idea, but I'd prefer to think safety before ear and 
eye candy. 

Just my humble opinion.

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] dvdrw drivers

2003-11-16 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 16 November 2003 01:15 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Saturday 15 Nov 2003 2:32 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
> > DVD+RW drives are almost uniformly supported with a variety of
> > application front-ends using the dvd+rw tools including growisofs
> > that can be downloaded in several places on the net including
> > sourceforge.
> >
> > DVD-RW is supported using the cdrecord dvdhack tool that is also
> > widely supported.  In most cases, hardware types are not an issue
> > as these are widely publicized industry standard formats so you
> > shouldn't have problems. If you want to do specific things, like
> > building DVD-Video formats, you may need to look around to find
> > specific tools to help you do that but writing data is easily
> > accomplished, regardless of hardware.
>
> Is it on the TWiki Bryan?  If not, can you put it there.

If someone had asked for some specific info, I probably would have.  This is 
just general info about a particular writeable media format.

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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Problems

2003-11-16 Thread David E. Fox
> Are you dual-booting by any chance?

No, and it's never been an issue with the unix time:

Sun Nov 16 11:49:19 PST 2003

is correct. 

> Sounds like you are just missing the kdeaddons and kdeutils packages.

I thought both were installed - I'm getting installation conflicts 
at the moment, trying to do from cooker main atm.

libkdecore >= 3.1.91 is needed by kdemultimedia-kaboodle-3.1.93-6mdk
libkdecore >= 3.1.91 is needed by libkdemultimedia1-kscd-3.1.93-6mdk
libbkdecore >= 3.1.91 is needed by libkdemultimedia1-kmix-3.1.93-6mdk
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Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.

2003-11-16 Thread candlish
Dear Charlie,

Thank you for your comments.

E-mail sound may not have a need for html and the requirement for hugh
downloads can be avoided. E-mail sounds tend to be around 35k or 3
seconds modem action.

Not very much fun sending a Christmas card to a recipient, who has to
look up a web page to find a manufactured e-mail to get a result.

Linux must be able to do this and better than MS.

Best wishes,

Malcolm Candlish. 



On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 10:17, Charlie M. wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Saturday 15 November 2003 7:41 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> > On Saturday 15 November 2003 03:17 pm, candlish wrote:
> > > Sir or Madam,
> > >
> > > I would like to place a small sound file in an outgoing e-mail to
> > > activate on opening, as possible in 'Outlook Express'. I tend to use
> > > Evolution and Mozilla in the main, but could use any e-mail client.
> > >
> > > What I wanted was for the sound to travel with the e-mail and to be
> > > activated on opening. This may be seen as a virus however?
> > >
> > > This surely be made possible!
> > >
> > > Thank you in anticipation.
> > >
> > > Malcolm Candlish.
> >
> > Malcolm:
> >
> > No, no, no! Sober up, man! Take a cold shower! Forget it!
> >
> > Feel better now? Good. Let's begin by remembering that the Number One
> > transport mechanism for Windows viruses and worms is Outlook/Outlook
> > Express because they are diabolically designed to execute attached files.
> > What's the very first thing that Windows users are told to do to tighten
> > security? That's right, change the default settings to defeat the automatic
> > execution "feature". It's also why mail filter programs strip all such
> > attachments from incoming mail -- those things are potential bombs. Hell,
> > most of us are paranoid about just getting HTML; your musical alerts would
> > really light the place up.
> >
> > Possible under Linux? No. That's why you don't see postings here from folks
> > who "just" opened an e-mail, and now they find that they have become a
> > major distributor of spam and malware, their system is doing goofy things,
> > and the mouse pointer has developed a mind of its own. It isn't be
> > accident, my friend, it's by design. KMail (and others) can provide an
> > audible notice that email has arrived, but it is controlled by the
> > receiver, not the sender.
> >
> > Let's think a little further. I, for one, do not wish to hear whatever hit
> > of the week accompanies your last missive, especially should you decide
> > that the complete Slim Whitman collection would be exactly what it takes to
> > get me to read your e-mail. Now, if I were still laboring away in a cubicle
> > farm, and was subjected to the musical announcement of the arrival of
> > Malcolm's latest e-mail from each of the surrounding cubes, be assured that
> > I'd be at the forefront of the mob coming after you. (First offense: tar,
> > feathers and a rail; subsequent offense: Nasty. Very nasty. Involves a rope
> > and a tree. No jury will convict us.)
> >
> > Add to the above the overhead of your demonic thought -- bigger files,
> > longer downloads, yada, yada... and you'll understand why the only
> > acceptable medium for e-mail -- particularly on mail lists -- is plain
> > text. The frou-frou is neither necessary nor acceptable.
> >
> > OTOH, you may have come up with a new concept here -- singing spam. Please
> > do not include my name on any patent application that you may file.
> >
> > -- cmg
> 
> I'll agree completely to the above comments. I've been known to design 
> "digital" birthday, anniversary, condolences "cards" for friends on occasion; 
> but I've only once succumbed to the temptation to send one through email. 
> That one called a musical accompaniment and "fancy background," fonts, etc., 
> that I knew were already resident on her hard drive because I put them there 
> when I built the system. 
> 
> Just an awful lot of html code in other words.
> 
> Since that time I'll instead send an html link message, such as "Happy 
> Birthday" or whatever is appropriate, but stored temporarily on web space I 
> control. 
> 
> Never any huge downloads without prior consent in other words.
> 
> Charlie
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Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.

2003-11-16 Thread candlish
Dear Sir,

Thank you for your comments.

Abuse is always possible! Should this be the reason for a lack of
progress. Would you prefer to watch 'black & white' television, or limit
any other technical advance?

Sound is already here and slots on e-mail clients could be small to
accommodate slender sound files until technology move forward.

Best wishes,

Malcolm Candlish.



On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 03:47, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> On Saturday 15 November 2003 04:52 pm, et wrote:
> > On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:41 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> 
> >>> whack
> 
> > > OTOH, you may have come up with a new concept here -- singing spam.
> 
> >
> > OTH, you can attach a file of what ever you wish in linux, just like in
> > 'lookout excuse', but the folks at the other end would have to use lookout
> > to have it open automagically
> 
> et:
> Yes, but the OP's notion was that every recipient of one of his emails would 
> be treated to a rendition of Slim Whitman, Brahms, the Hoosier Hot Shots, 
> whatever -- when they opened a message. While it was not explicit that he 
> planned to inflict this pain on us Linuxers, my intent was to discourage any 
> further exploration of this topic on his part.
> 
> This singing spam thing has me intrigued though -- anyone know any words that 
> rhyme with viagra other than Niagara? He could be on to something here... And 
> I'm getting tired of mashed potato sandwiches 3X a day.
> 
> -- cmg
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.

2003-11-16 Thread candlish
Dear Sir,

Thank you for your comments.

If the sound file were to be active as an exe file, on the opening it
should trigger action. It must be possible to do, although I do realise
could be anti-social if abused.

Perhaps the Mozilla or Evolution people may have ideas.

Best wishes,

Malcolm Candlish.

On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 21:52, et wrote:
> On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:41 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> > On Saturday 15 November 2003 03:17 pm, candlish wrote:
> > > Sir or Madam,
> > >
> > > I would like to place a small sound file in an outgoing e-mail to
> > > activate on opening, as possible in 'Outlook Express'. I tend to use
> > > Evolution and Mozilla in the main, but could use any e-mail client.
> > >
> > > What I wanted was for the sound to travel with the e-mail and to be
> > > activated on opening. This may be seen as a virus however?
> > >
> > > This surely be made possible!
> > >
> > > Thank you in anticipation.
> > >
> > > Malcolm Candlish.
> >
> > Malcolm:
> >
> > No, no, no! Sober up, man! Take a cold shower! Forget it!
> >
> > Feel better now? Good. Let's begin by remembering that the Number One
> > transport mechanism for Windows viruses and worms is Outlook/Outlook
> > Express because they are diabolically designed to execute attached files.
> > What's the very first thing that Windows users are told to do to tighten
> > security? That's right, change the default settings to defeat the automatic
> > execution "feature". It's also why mail filter programs strip all such
> > attachments from incoming mail -- those things are potential bombs. Hell,
> > most of us are paranoid about just getting HTML; your musical alerts would
> > really light the place up.
> >
> > Possible under Linux? No. That's why you don't see postings here from folks
> > who "just" opened an e-mail, and now they find that they have become a
> > major distributor of spam and malware, their system is doing goofy things,
> > and the mouse pointer has developed a mind of its own. It isn't be
> > accident, my friend, it's by design. KMail (and others) can provide an
> > audible notice that email has arrived, but it is controlled by the
> > receiver, not the sender.
> >
> > Let's think a little further. I, for one, do not wish to hear whatever hit
> > of the week accompanies your last missive, especially should you decide
> > that the complete Slim Whitman collection would be exactly what it takes to
> > get me to read your e-mail. Now, if I were still laboring away in a cubicle
> > farm, and was subjected to the musical announcement of the arrival of
> > Malcolm's latest e-mail from each of the surrounding cubes, be assured that
> > I'd be at the forefront of the mob coming after you. (First offense: tar,
> > feathers and a rail; subsequent offense: Nasty. Very nasty. Involves a rope
> > and a tree. No jury will convict us.)
> >
> > Add to the above the overhead of your demonic thought -- bigger files,
> > longer downloads, yada, yada... and you'll understand why the only
> > acceptable medium for e-mail -- particularly on mail lists -- is plain
> > text. The frou-frou is neither necessary nor acceptable.
> >
> > OTOH, you may have come up with a new concept here -- singing spam. Please
> > do not include my name on any patent application that you may file.
> >
> > -- cmg
> OTH, you can attach a file of what ever you wish in linux, just like in 
> 'lookout excuse', but the folks at the other end would have to use lookout to 
> have it open automagically
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.

2003-11-16 Thread candlish
Dear Carroll,

Thank you for your comments.

Please have no fear! The technology is already there and the potential
for development phenomenal. Anti-virus scanners should recognise wav,
ogg, or mp3 files.

It only requires placing in the background of the e-mail, hopefully
without the need for hmtl.

I think that you are going to be very pleased with this development in
spite of your current sentiments.

Best wishes,

Malcolm Candlish.

   


On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 02:41, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> On Saturday 15 November 2003 03:17 pm, candlish wrote:
> > Sir or Madam,
> >
> > I would like to place a small sound file in an outgoing e-mail to
> > activate on opening, as possible in 'Outlook Express'. I tend to use
> > Evolution and Mozilla in the main, but could use any e-mail client.
> >
> > What I wanted was for the sound to travel with the e-mail and to be
> > activated on opening. This may be seen as a virus however?
> >
> > This surely be made possible!
> >
> > Thank you in anticipation.
> >
> > Malcolm Candlish.
> 
> Malcolm:
> 
> No, no, no! Sober up, man! Take a cold shower! Forget it!
> 
> Feel better now? Good. Let's begin by remembering that the Number One 
> transport mechanism for Windows viruses and worms is Outlook/Outlook Express 
> because they are diabolically designed to execute attached files. What's the 
> very first thing that Windows users are told to do to tighten security? 
> That's right, change the default settings to defeat the automatic execution 
> "feature". It's also why mail filter programs strip all such attachments from 
> incoming mail -- those things are potential bombs. Hell, most of us are 
> paranoid about just getting HTML; your musical alerts would really light the 
> place up.
> 
> Possible under Linux? No. That's why you don't see postings here from folks 
> who "just" opened an e-mail, and now they find that they have become a major 
> distributor of spam and malware, their system is doing goofy things, and the 
> mouse pointer has developed a mind of its own. It isn't be accident, my 
> friend, it's by design. KMail (and others) can provide an audible notice that 
> email has arrived, but it is controlled by the receiver, not the sender.
> 
> Let's think a little further. I, for one, do not wish to hear whatever hit of 
> the week accompanies your last missive, especially should you decide that the 
> complete Slim Whitman collection would be exactly what it takes to get me to 
> read your e-mail. Now, if I were still laboring away in a cubicle farm, and 
> was subjected to the musical announcement of the arrival of Malcolm's latest 
> e-mail from each of the surrounding cubes, be assured that I'd be at the 
> forefront of the mob coming after you. (First offense: tar, feathers and a 
> rail; subsequent offense: Nasty. Very nasty. Involves a rope and a tree. No 
> jury will convict us.)
> 
> Add to the above the overhead of your demonic thought -- bigger files, longer 
> downloads, yada, yada... and you'll understand why the only acceptable medium 
> for e-mail -- particularly on mail lists -- is plain text. The frou-frou is 
> neither necessary nor acceptable.
> 
> OTOH, you may have come up with a new concept here -- singing spam. Please do 
> not include my name on any patent application that you may file.
> 
> -- cmg
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.

2003-11-16 Thread candlish
Melissa,

Thank you for your comments.

Very sadly for Linux enthusiasts that we are, the dreaded MS does tend
to lead the way. It is possible to send e-cards to recipients, not
requiring them to search the web for their prized picture and sound. The
sound files can easily be found in 'openoffice' and these are around 35
k. This is indeed a small download which with a dial-up connection may
take 3 seconds!

Technology will and must move forward.

Best wishes,

Malcolm Candlish. 



On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 02:05, Melissa Reese wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> Hi Malcolm,
> 
> I'm sorry I can't help you with your question, but I will offer a
> comment or two anyway...
> 
> On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 12:17:22 PM PST, you wrote:
> 
> > I would like to place a small sound file in an outgoing e-mail to
> > activate on opening, as possible in 'Outlook Express'.
> 
> Eek! I suppose you have your reasons for wanting such a thing, and
> perhaps all your intended recipients for such a message would be
> willing to accept the message(s) as you intend, but in general, this
> sort of thing is best left to web pages if anywhere, and can be rather
> annoying in email (just my general opinion).
> 
> Many people, for all sorts of reasons, will *only* read email in plain
> text (or at least disable all but the most basic HTML elements), and
> therefore, unless they feel inclined to open up such an HTML message
> into their browser, will not even "benefit" from your efforts.
> 
> - -- 
> Melissa
> 
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Re: [newbie] LG has posted Firmware Fixes for Bum Drives

2003-11-16 Thread Dennis Myers
On Sunday 16 November 2003 12:21 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
> On Friday 14 November 2003 08:39 pm, Brian Parish wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 12:54, Dennis Myers wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 12 November 2003 10:14 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
> > > > It looks as though LG has posted revised firmware for affected drives
> > > > and also published a method for reflashing already dead ones.
> > > >
> > > > Point your browser to http://us.lgservice.com/
> > > >
> > > > click Device Driver icon
> > > > click CD-ROM link
> > > >
> > > > The first hit is "Emergency download for Physical Dead Drive from
> > > > Mandrake Linux 9.2"
> > > >
> > > > There is a .gif attached that explains how to reflash the drives.
> > > >
> > > > There are also firmware upgrades for 9 drive models.  WDYT?
> > >
> > > This is great but the english is so broken that I am not sure exactly
> > > what to do. First problem is how to boot into MS-DOS mode?  Second
> > > problem is what the heck does C:W(with a bar through it)temp> mean? I
> > > can get the light to come on again on the drive but have no idea how to
> > > flash the firmware from the discription. Any help is appreciated. Oh, I
> > > am trying to revive this drive using a K6II soyo mobo with win2K
> > > loaded.
> >
> > Hi Dennis,
> >
> > It's not a class act is it!  The C with the bar is a character mapping
> > error - should be a "\".  So this is just the DOS prompt, not a command
> > you have to enter.
> >
> > The example assumes that you've downloaded a program called xferlg and
> > stored it in C:\temp
> >
> > It also assumes that a file called q1iglx32 exists in the same
> > directory.  Where you get these files is unclear to me, but I have
> > looked around their site to try to find them.
> >
> > The best way to do this is probably to build yourself a DOS boot
> > diskette, and copy the downloaded stuff to it.  Your procedure would
> > then look like:
> >
> > A:\> Xferlg q1iglx32 [enter]
> >
> > I presume the CDR-8322B that follows is a response to a prompt issued by
> > xferlg.
> >
> > If you are using W2K, then it's likely that you have NTFS which DOS
> > can't read.  Hence the suggestion to do all this using a boot floppy.
> >
> > HTH
> > Brian
>
> Ok, I had one other LG cdrom that was not working properly, and tried the
> firmware upgrade with it. Seems to have worked as instructed. I will put it
> in one of my 9.2 comps tomorrow. Just wanted to let the list know that the
> upgrade worked on a still functioning cdrom, at least the install did.
> Tomorrow will tell. More later.
Well, I installed the LG cdrom into one of the Mandrake computers and made it 
IDE2 master. It is currently playing Elton John and running smooth. The 
firmware upgrade works. This is the original kernel from the bittorrent d/l. 
I did not upgrade the kernel. So anyone interested can feel reasonably 
comfortable that the fix is a fix. HTH
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[newbie] Rlogin

2003-11-16 Thread Maurice O'Connor
I am running 9.1 mdk.  I have a two computer network. #1 is the one I
work on and #2 (an old klunker) is to store backups.  I am having
problems with rsh etc.  Rlogin worked at one time but it does not work
now.  I can ssh to and from both boxes.  I thought that would be OK but
I was unable to get rsync to work.  Either method would be satisfactory,
but I would like both to work.
TIA.  
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Re: [newbie] Great Interview with RMS

2003-11-16 Thread bob parker
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:28, Josenildo Marques wrote:
> On Friday 14 November 2003 09:13, Margot wrote:
> > Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> > > On Thursday 13 November 2003 07:55 pm, robin wrote:
> > >>Does he still start lists with "zero"?
> > >>
> > >>Sir Robin
> > >
> > > and wears old computer parts... :-)
> >
> > I've never heard of this, but I'm all in favour of recycling. I've got a
> > couple of old 386's lurking under the bed, and a selection of keyboards
> > and mouses (mice?). What sort of clothes do you think I could make?
> >
> > Margot
>
> The interview is great. I've just read it.
> To me, it's inevitable to look at Mr Stallman and not to imagine a kind of
> computer Jesus Christ !  :-)
> (I don't mean to disrespect anybody's faith ! Please !)
>
> Margot, you're right. The plural of 'mouse' (i.e., the object you were
> referring to) is 'mouses'.

In my part of the world we refer to more than 1 pointing device as rodents :)

> Although I'm not a native speaker, I've read lots of texts on Linguistics.
> I recommend the book The Language Instinct by Steven Pinker. It's a
> wonderful read and not so full of difficult terminologies.

Perhaps thats just what we should do here too.

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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Problems

2003-11-16 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 16 November 2003 01:29 pm, David E. Fox wrote:
> > I use KDE and have found that konqueror works better than it ever used
> > to. (It used to lock up for a few seconds from time to time.) I have no
>
> Many things don't work for me. I haev workarounds so I don't worry a
> whole lot. Noatun or kaboodle hang; kscd segfaults; and konqueror
> hangs when trying to play a sound file through itself. I settled for
> using xine for most of that stuff as an interim.
>
> I am still figuring out why the time zone continues to shift all
> by itself. I've had the system up since last night, and it still
> shows correct - but I guarantee that it'll go to YST or HST or
> something inexplicable by this evening, all by itself. I have not yet
> been able to get this confirmed and haven't figured out what might
> cause it - there doesn't seem to be a pattern.
>
Are you dual-booting by any chance?

> kspread doesn't seem to find any Part that it can use. It may be the
> only koffice component that does not work - kivio, kugar, kword etc
> start up OK.
>
> I miss some of the functionality of konqueror - one used to be
> able to show an archive and service buttons, links to audiocd (great
> tool btw) but this functionality seems absent in 9.2.
>
Sounds like you are just missing the kdeaddons and kdeutils packages.


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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Problems

2003-11-16 Thread David E. Fox
> I use KDE and have found that konqueror works better than it ever used 
> to. (It used to lock up for a few seconds from time to time.) I have no 

Many things don't work for me. I haev workarounds so I don't worry a 
whole lot. Noatun or kaboodle hang; kscd segfaults; and konqueror
hangs when trying to play a sound file through itself. I settled for
using xine for most of that stuff as an interim.

I am still figuring out why the time zone continues to shift all
by itself. I've had the system up since last night, and it still 
shows correct - but I guarantee that it'll go to YST or HST or
something inexplicable by this evening, all by itself. I have not yet
been able to get this confirmed and haven't figured out what might 
cause it - there doesn't seem to be a pattern.

kspread doesn't seem to find any Part that it can use. It may be the
only koffice component that does not work - kivio, kugar, kword etc
start up OK.

I miss some of the functionality of konqueror - one used to be 
able to show an archive and service buttons, links to audiocd (great
tool btw) but this functionality seems absent in 9.2.

(Yesterday I d/l Latest release of Knoppix, booted it; is quite
nice btw. www.knoppix.de).

I'm considering taking a look at gentoo, should prove interesting,
but I think it would take a long time to bring it up on this 1.0
gig box.



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Re: [newbie] Needed file

2003-11-16 Thread Derek Jennings
On Sunday 16 Nov 2003 5:25 pm, Russ wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I tried installing a program using an rpm for 9.1 (which I am running)
> but it says I am missing a file libXm.so.3 I did a search and came up
> empty.
>
> Does anyone know where I can find this file?
>
> Thanks
> Russ

urpmf libXm

will tell you which packages contain that file name.

At a guess I would say you used the 'rpm -i' command to install the 
application, because if you had used urpmi or gurpmi, it would have 
altomatically installed  openmotif which contains that library.

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Re: [newbie] translation (anyone from Mandrake here ?)

2003-11-16 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 15 Nov 2003 9:57 pm, Josenildo Marques wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Weeks ago I sent a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] where I
> volunteered to translate some pages or new MDK releases to pt_br.
> I've had no answer so far and I think it's not the first time.
> Maybe they don't need more translators...but it is difficult to
> interpret the silence.
>
I'm fairly sure I saw a post on the expert list from Vincent Danen 
asking for translators.  You might try the archives.  Otherwise, get 
his addy from the TWiki pages.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi contrib error

2003-11-16 Thread David E. Fox
> are all the mirrors wrong? anyone got a good mirror for 9.2 contribs?

Hmm. urpmi.update -a now (just running it now):

main - ftp.sunet.se, no go, can't find an hdlist file :(.
contrib - ftp.uninett.no seems OK, downloading now


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Re: [newbie] dvdrw drivers

2003-11-16 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 15 Nov 2003 2:32 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
>
> DVD+RW drives are almost uniformly supported with a variety of
> application front-ends using the dvd+rw tools including growisofs
> that can be downloaded in several places on the net including
> sourceforge.
>
> DVD-RW is supported using the cdrecord dvdhack tool that is also
> widely supported.  In most cases, hardware types are not an issue
> as these are widely publicized industry standard formats so you
> shouldn't have problems. If you want to do specific things, like
> building DVD-Video formats, you may need to look around to find
> specific tools to help you do that but writing data is easily
> accomplished, regardless of hardware.

Is it on the TWiki Bryan?  If not, can you put it there.

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RE: [newbie] Needed file

2003-11-16 Thread Dave-Linux



Whenever you need some particular file like this, go to
http://rpmfind.net/, and type in the exact file name.  You will get a
page listing rpms (usually compatible with most/all architectures and
distros) containing the file.  


For your convenience:
http://ftp2.wss.yale.edu/rpm2html/libXm.so.3.html



HTH
Dave




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> 
> I tried installing a program using an rpm for 9.1 (which I am running)
> but it says I am missing a file libXm.so.3 I did a search and came up
empty.

That's Motif. Per "urpmf libXm" it's provided by lesstif, so install
that. But here (9.2 cooker) I only see libXm.so.2. 

Currently (per rpm -qa | grep lesstif) I see:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# rpm -qa | grep lesstif lesstif-0.93.49-3mdk

> Russ


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Re: [newbie] this is strange...TV sounds coming through my computer

2003-11-16 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 14 Nov 2003 9:55 pm, crak600 wrote:
>
> turns out that sound wasn't coming through the cable line.  i have
> a mpeg on the desktop, short clip i took of one of my dogs in REM
> sleep (Rapid Eye Movement) with her paws and legs twitching.  guess
> i'd accidentily slide the mouse over it and it'd start, but no
> media player would pop up, no image would pop up, just sound!  and
> here i thought i had the loch ness monster living in my computer! 
> (show on the loch ness monster was on TV when i shot the video
> clip).  DOH!
>
Sounds like Konq preview - really useful, but can give you some weird 
moments 

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Re: [newbie] Reboot with 9.2

2003-11-16 Thread David E. Fox
> I installed 9.2 from the powerpack disks I purchased.  A few quirks but 
> it went well.  I had already downloaded all the security updates and bug 
> fixes so I skipped it during install.  Finished the install and went for 

I imagine you're getting those invalid keys during urpmi, assuming you're
installing that way. This issue is still plaguing me and probably others
as well. Many RPMs pass through OK - but some on contrib or on the main
repository list (so I figure it would be true of updates) come back with
invalid keys. Using urpmi, you should still be able to upgrade these. 

How were you invoking the upgrade?

> machine.  I had installed the updated kernel so I had to reboot.  Using 
> Grub for the bootloader.  I got an error 13, no file found on both the 

That's nasty. I don't believe the two issues are related. Does Grub see
the boot partition? 



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Re: [newbie] Mozilla freezing everything!

2003-11-16 Thread Anne Wilson
In truth, I think a thread is reasonably readable as long as it goes 
in one direction only - it gets horrific if it switches about 

> E:
> Funny, but my stock Konq 3.1.0 had no problems. No, I don't know
> why. -- cmg (not usually a top poster, but when in Rome...)
>

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Re: [newbie] this is strange...TV sounds coming through my computer

2003-11-16 Thread crak600
On Sunday 16 November 2003 10:40 am, Margot wrote:
>
> Browsing in my local library a few months ago, trying to find any useful
> books on computing, I discovered that they stored the computer books
> next to the books on...the Loch Ness Monster! The librarian explained
> that it was because of the classification codes - apparently there are
> plenty of other codes in between Nessie and M$, but my small village
> branch library doesn't stock much non-fiction, so they ended up next to
> each other on the shelf in the science section.
>
> Margot

this is getting OT, but oh well.

i havn't checked my school's library to see what they have on linux in there.  
i was working on scheduling for next semester, and found a class that's 
description said access, html, and unix.  i was stoked!  then i found out 
that the class was only availible for computer majors, of which i am not.  
i'm currently a psych major, until i can get my major changed to Criminal 
Justice and then i'll tke psych as a minor.  anyway, i set an appointment to 
talk to the professor that teaches that course, figured if it's good enough, 
i'd try to get "pink slipped" into it so i could learn some UNIX and get 
credits for it.  he was very honest with me in that he is not a unix expert, 
and only knows the basics, and that's all he teaches in that class, most of 
the focus is on access.  the next class he teaches a little bit more about 
unix, but not much.  so i was disappointed.  then he gave me the real 
disappointment.  

the university used to have a professor that was a unix "expert."  
unfortunately, he retired a few years ago and the university hasn't replaced 
him.  that was upsetting, as i would've loved to take a unix class as a free 
elective, pick up some credits for it, AND have some good knowledge to take 
home with me and be able to put it to use almost immediately.  

i tried the basic linux class online, but fell behind quick, and never 
completed it.  if i was able to take a class at school on linux, i'd have 
more time to devote to it and get things done, plus i'd have what i need to 
learn computer stuffone-on-one help.  i can't read a text book on 
computer stuff or read a webpage article and fully understand what's going 
on.  i only know one person that can explain computer things to me in terms i 
understand, and he has taught me all i know.  but he lives in florida and i 
live in pennsylvania, and i've only seen him once in the past 2 1/2 years, 
although we do keep in touch.  oh well.

downloaded 9.2 friday night and hoping to get it installed over thanksgiving 
weekend.  if not then, i'll get installed over xmas break, which would 
probably be better, because if i make a mistake and wipe out my system, i'll 
be hurting, as i have a lot of school related stuff saved on one of my hard 
drives.  it'd hurt to lose things like that 2 weeks before finals  :O

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Re: [newbie] Needed file

2003-11-16 Thread David E. Fox
> 
> I tried installing a program using an rpm for 9.1 (which I am running) 
> but it says I am missing a file libXm.so.3 I did a search and came up empty.

That's Motif. Per "urpmf libXm" it's provided by lesstif, so install
that. But here (9.2 cooker) I only see libXm.so.2. 

Currently (per rpm -qa | grep lesstif) I see:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# rpm -qa | grep lesstif
lesstif-0.93.49-3mdk

> Russ


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[newbie] Needed file

2003-11-16 Thread Russ
Hi All,

I tried installing a program using an rpm for 9.1 (which I am running) 
but it says I am missing a file libXm.so.3 I did a search and came up empty.

Does anyone know where I can find this file?

Thanks
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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Problems

2003-11-16 Thread Eric Huff
> Maybe this issue has been reported many times, but only a few
> times on this newbie list, as far as I can see. How many are we ?
> - Maybe a hundred ? - Do we all read every post ? - I don't.

Bah!  There are 1101 as of this morning.  It grows by ~5 a day. 
Haven't quite figured out the attrition rate, though.

a week ago we had ~1500 with 400 of them being badd addresses...


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Re: [newbie] urpmi contrib error

2003-11-16 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 16 November 2003 03:25 am, et wrote:
> I have tied about 5 different mirrors to set up my 9.2 contrib in
> "urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp:(etc)"
> I continue to get this error;
> "medium "contrib" uses an invalid list file:
>   mirror is probably not up-to-date, trying to use alternate method"
>
> are all the mirrors wrong? anyone got a good mirror for 9.2 contribs?

There is an rpms2 symlink in the main dist tree for contrib, so try  

urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp://path/to/mandrake/RPMS2 with ../base/hdlist2.cz
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Re: [newbie] Reboot with 9.2

2003-11-16 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 16 November 2003 04:58 am, Maureen L. Thomas wrote:
> I installed 9.2 from the powerpack disks I purchased.  A few quirks but
> it went well.  I had already downloaded all the security updates and bug
> fixes so I skipped it during install.  Finished the install and went for
> the updates.  They all took and they all said invalid key.  I used my
> laptop and redownloaded them through 9.1.  I still got the invalid key
> thing but I said yes and all was fine until I had to reboot the
> machine.  I had installed the updated kernel so I had to reboot.  Using
> Grub for the bootloader.  I got an error 13, no file found on both the
> original kernel and the new kernel and the failsafe.  I tried everything
> and finaly just did an update version from the install.  Now I am not
> sure if the machine will reboot or not.  I checked and all the files are
> in boot for both kernels.  Grub points to them  so what is wrong?  Has
> anyone else had this problem?  I am using an AMD 850Mhz, 2 western
> digital harddrives, 1 cd rom and 1 cd burner, a USB zip 250, which all
> showed up right and I can access all of them.   Any help would be
> appreciated.  TIA, Maureen
The invalid key entry was not a problem with the packages, but you did not 
have the Mandrake Security Team key in your keyring.  urpmi automatically 
adds the key when you set up a urpmi source, but you have to add it manually 
if you don't use urpmi.  If you download the updates to a local source, also 
include the ../base directory, because that includes the key and then you can 
just use urpmi.addmedia

urpmi.addmedia --update updates file://path/to/updates with ../base/hdlist.cz

Now keep the local directory synched with a mirror and periodically run 
'urpmi.update --update && urpmi --auto-select --update'

I am not sure about the boot problem, I'd like to see your /boot/grub/menu.lst 
and the contents of your /boot directory.
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Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.

2003-11-16 Thread Eric Huff
> This singing spam thing has me intrigued though -- anyone know any
> words that rhyme with v***ra other than Niagara? He could be on to
> something here... And I'm getting tired of mashed potato
> sandwiches 3X a day.

The result of this message going to the list gave me a chuckle.  You
wouldn't believe the number of bounces this caused to go to the
list.  There are a lot of servers out there that bounce spam back. 
It does reinforce a little bit how silly it is to bounce this stuff:
most of the ones who get the response aren't really trying to spam
so much as talk about spam...


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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Problems

2003-11-16 Thread robin
E. Hines wrote:
On Saturday 15 November 2003 06:15 pm, Melissa Reese wrote:

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Hash: SHA1
Hi Derek,

On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 5:37:52 PM PST, you wrote:

If 9.2 turns some newbies off Linux it will be a pity. Once you
correct the initial bugs it actually works quite nicely. (Supermount
is great now :-)
After reading about all these issues with the current MDK 9.2 release,
I guess I can look forward to some interesting moments as I install
and try to work with my first MDK! :-)
- --
Melissa
I think I'll skip this one.  9.1 works--everything works, just the way I want 
it.  I've upgraded only Mozilla and SpamAssassin, and try as I might, I can't 
come up with a single reason why I need 9.2.  For the record, I skipped 8.1 
and 9.0, also.  8.2 worked for me just as well as 9.1 does--clean and easy, 
but there is a point where upgrading does make sense--I just don't see that 
point, yet.

This sort of highlights the difference between Mandrake and SuSe.  Mandrake is 
cutting edge and stuff may not work.  SuSe is a page behind, but stuff works.  
But God, I really hate YAST.  Mandrake's user tools are so much better--when 
they work, anyway.   And that is why I still use Mandrake, if anyone reading 
this really cares.

There's an up and down curve with releases of any distro, with some 
being remembered as great versions and others as turkeys.  RedHat 6.0 
was a great groundbreaking distro; 7.0 was for many people a nightmare. 
Mandrake 7.2 and 9.1 were high points, I think. The 8.* series were OK, 
but I had kernel and supermount issues. Given that 9.1 was one of the 
best releases ever, it might have been better to delay 9.2 a little 
(particularly so as to catch Mozilla 1.5 and the stable release of 
OpenOffice 1.1) but there again, the timing of a distro is more luck 
than anything. With software development happening as rapidly as it 
does, there's no way you can time things so all major packages are up to 
date _and_ stable - you can have one or the other, but not both.

I may upgrade to 9.2 on my office machine, as its an FTP and Samba 
server (who knows, I may even be able to connect to those bloody XP 
boxes with Samba 3.0!).  Since it has no proprietary drivers, upgrading 
shouldn't be too hard.  When I get my new home computer, I'll probably 
stick with 9.1 for day to day stuff, and install 10.0 from Cooker on a 
separate partition for fun and games and bug reporting (if my modem 
connection can handle it).

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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Problems

2003-11-16 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:15 am, Melissa Reese wrote:
> After reading about all these issues with the current MDK 9.2
> release, I guess I can look forward to some interesting moments
> as I install and try to work with my first MDK! :-)
>
> - --
> Melissa

Yes, you are in for some 'interesting moments', but put it in 
perspective. You're only hearing from those who have issues.  The 
vast majority have little or no problems. I've installed 9.2 on 
three different systems. Everything worked right out of the box 
on all three. I've also sent CD's to several others who reported 
no problems. That's the main variable for any for any distro. The 
vast combinations of hardware, some of it quite marginal or just 
plain win-hardware. Some quality hardware that's so new, it just 
doesn't have (reliable) kernel support yet.

Then there's user education. 'Prior to use' research. A must 
for running any Linux distro. EG, one of those three systems has 
since had it's motherboard and CD drives (DVD, CD-RW) changed. A 
VIA KT600 board was used, with onboard NIC and sound. Both 
required drivers that are not quite mature, for any distro. 
Probly won't be till the 2.6 kernel is ready and polished. Went 
ahead and used the board anyhow, just used an old NIC PCI card 
and a cheap currently supported PCI sound card. 9.2 booted, found 
all the new hardware (harddrake), and correctly set it all up. No 
muss no fuss.

From what I've read Melissa, you're prudently lookin into 
these issues before tryin Linux. You should do just fine. Another 
opinion, don't make the mistake of rushing to get rid of Windoze 
like many new users do. On average, I'd say it's a good idea to 
keep Winblows around for several years.  Migrate slowly as your 
Linux skills and GNU software improve.
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Re: [newbie] do 9.2 isos contain the fix for lg cdroms?

2003-11-16 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Sunday 16 November 2003 12:07 pm, Anarky wrote:
> any idea if the downloadable isos can still break cdroms or
> if they have a fixed version?

  Well first of all it's the LG drives, not Mandrake that needs 
fixin. Those with LG (or rebadged drives which are actually LG's) 
should up date their firmware ... even if they don't install Mdk 
9.2, even if they're confirmed Windoze users. The drives should 
not be used as is.

   To answer your question tho, The iso's on the mirrors are the 
same ones released to club members, the same ones that are sold. 
They can render a buggy LG CDrom as useless. The fix is to fix 
the LG's.   http://us.lgservice.com/   click on 'Device Drivers', 
then 'Cdrom'.

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Re: [newbie] Wine and Memory

2003-11-16 Thread robin
The Other wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:44:47 +0200
robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have 128MB of RAM.  I ran Wine two different ways to see if
one of my Microsoft Win95B programs would run.
If it's a Windows error message (rather than wine saying something
in the terminal) then your problem is probably not RAM. 
"Insufficient memory" is Windows-speak for "something made the
program crash, but I haven't a clue what it was."


===
Here's what the terminal window I used to run Wine said:
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft Money]$ wine msmoney
fixme:dialog:MSGBOX_OnInit system modal msgbox ! Not modal yet.
--
I did get a small window saying Microsoft Money, then another window
opened up saying:
"Not enough memory is available.  If you have several applications
open at the same time, you might need to close one of them before
you start Money."
All you can do is click the "Okay" button to close this box.  Then
the terminal window that had the ! Not modal yet (above) line
returns to the prompt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Micorsoft Money]$
I don't know what the Wine error message means - you'd have to check the 
documentation (which at least is likely to be more helpful than the 
Windows error message).  Does the program run OK when you boot into Windows?

It's worth checking your Wine configuration to make sure swap is set up 
correctly.

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[newbie] Reboot with 9.2

2003-11-16 Thread Maureen L. Thomas
I installed 9.2 from the powerpack disks I purchased.  A few quirks but 
it went well.  I had already downloaded all the security updates and bug 
fixes so I skipped it during install.  Finished the install and went for 
the updates.  They all took and they all said invalid key.  I used my 
laptop and redownloaded them through 9.1.  I still got the invalid key 
thing but I said yes and all was fine until I had to reboot the 
machine.  I had installed the updated kernel so I had to reboot.  Using 
Grub for the bootloader.  I got an error 13, no file found on both the 
original kernel and the new kernel and the failsafe.  I tried everything 
and finaly just did an update version from the install.  Now I am not 
sure if the machine will reboot or not.  I checked and all the files are 
in boot for both kernels.  Grub points to them  so what is wrong?  Has 
anyone else had this problem?  I am using an AMD 850Mhz, 2 western 
digital harddrives, 1 cd rom and 1 cd burner, a USB zip 250, which all 
showed up right and I can access all of them.   Any help would be 
appreciated.  TIA, Maureen


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Re: [newbie] viagra song (was E-mail sound.)

2003-11-16 Thread Carroll Grigsby
Richard:
Thanks. It was meant just as a rhetorical question, though. (And I thought 
that I didn't have a life...)
-- cmg



On Sunday 16 November 2003 12:36 am, Richard Babcock wrote:
> I shouldn't be surprised that when I did a search for 'viagra parody'
> there was a long list. This was one I enjoyed:
>
> http://www.amiright.com/parody/60s/thedrifters4.shtml
>
> R
>
> On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:41 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
>
> This singing spam thing has me intrigued though -- anyone know any
> words that
> rhyme with viagra other than Niagara? He could be on to something
> here... And
> I'm getting tired of mashed potato sandwiches 3X a day.
>
> -- cmg


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