Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Monday 08 December 2003 12:27 am, Richard Urwin wrote:
> On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 2:44 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> > I don't
> > know the situation in the UK, but here in the US power is
> > 110v per leg. Two legs on the same circuit (what you refer to
> > as a ring?) yields 220v for things like electric clothes
> > dryers, range, ovens, and furnaces. Usually those are
> > dedicated circuits, but all circuits are fused/circuit
> > breaker protected for different voltage and amperage.

> Just in the interests of completeness.
> Not in the UK. Here everything runs on 240V (actually a bit
> lower recently, IIUC.) The circuits are built as rings purely
> to allow extra current to flow without heating the wires too
> much or having too great an earth resistance.

Actually I thought the UK and most all of Europe was 250v.
The US probly would be too, but you need to remember we invented 
the light bulb :)  And that was so long ago, and with competing 
AC and DC distributions in the beginning, that now were just glad 
it all finally got settled ... even tho were underpowered as a 
result.  Too damn much to change out now to switch.
 
> In every case only one live wire comes into the property. The
> neutral is almost equivilant to the earth, (but may actually
> only be earth back at the transformer.) So there is no
> possibility of doubling the voltage as you describe. Industrial
> premises have the option of taking all three phases instead of
> one, with a voltage between the phases of 440V.

   Three phase power is prevalent here too, particularly in larger 
than residential applications.

> Standard domestic sockets have a current rating of 13A, with
> the ring fuse being 15A. Lighting circuits are 5A. The cooker
> circuit is 20A. The whole house is protected by a 30A fuse
> sealed by the distribution company. (These are all IIRC, I'm
> not getting the torch out and looking now.)

 H, that surprises me. Here household circuits are 
typically 20 amp. Dedicated 220 circuits (single phase) would be 
as much as 50 amp. The main to the house, at least 100 amp, often 
200 amp.   My last house had 200 amp service. About 15  110v 
circuits, 4  220 circuits for a 3600 sq ft 2-story.  The garage 
had a separate 100 amp service, 3 110's for lights and outlets, 
one 220 circuit for A/C. (yeah, the garage had A/C, finished 
sheetrock walls and ceiling, insulated, was carpeted too. Nice 
place to park the Corvette ;)

Still, check the voltage at the outlet you plug the computer 
into. It just might not be as advertised.  Here in the US, it 
would probly, almost certainly, constantly be on the low side in 
most areas.
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Re: [newbie] rpm name for crossover plugin.

2003-12-07 Thread Dennis Myers
On Sunday 07 December 2003 06:51 pm, yankl wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Have a powersuit box set. On the top of the box it say that it's include a
> crossover, but I can not see it on the DVD. What is the name of rpm for
> crossover plagin?

Hi, look for codeweavers-crossover or search on just codeweavers. HTH
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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread Lanman
Eric; Glad to be back. Not to worry about tarnishing. It was
obvious that you were trying to help.

Thanks again.
Lanman


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On 12/7/2003 at 5:31 PM Eric Huff wrote:

>> Hey Eric; Thanks for the suggestions, instead of trying to
>> disprove what's what. I honestly hadn't thought of that. Seems I
>> was "Pre-Occupied" with the Joe-man! I'm only waiting for my new
>> static IP to be propogated to the main DNS servers, and I think
>> it's almost there.
>> 
>> I'll remove the Reply-To for the rest of the weekend, and see
how
>> it goes. Thanks for making a suggestion in a positive manner.
>
>Hey Lanman,
>
>I'm glad the tension of the thread didn't tarnish your
>interpretation of my email.
>
>I try my best never to sound mad or arrogant in an email, but
ascii
>sometimes fails us.
>
>Anyway, welcome back to the list!
>
>eric
>
>
>PS (this is offlist, since i think the thread itself has gone on
>long enough...)




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Re: [newbie] Sound and video

2003-12-07 Thread Teilhard Knight
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> Saturday 06 December 2003 12:38 am, Teilhard Knight wrote:
> > Actually my questions are dumb questions.
> >
> > First: is there a master volume control in Mandrake 9.2? I can only hear
> > sound when the amplifier of my home theatre is at its maximum.
>
> I hope you read my reply to Rick's error below before you downloaded and
> started attempting to install 64 bit drivers on an Athlon.


Yes, I did. Happily I got two replies from you. I am nor receiving many
posts from the list. I do not even get my posts.


> Onward and sidewise; master volume would be aumix, or kmix or alsamixer,
or
> alsamixerGUI or what are you looking for? Which sound server are you
> using?


Sound server? I do not follow. Do I need a sound server to get sound?


> One of those should work to do what you want, but if you're "outing"
through a
> home theatre system amplifier you'll have to experiment to find which line
> adjusts what.


Yes, it is a home theatre with an amplifier.

 If you're talking about the PC speaker system called Home
> Theatre by marketting weenies any of the mixers should do.


No, it is not a computer with speakers attached. It is a full home theatre.


> In other words it's easier to figure out when you're looking at the system

> > Second, I want to install the NVIDIA drivers, and there are the IA32,
and
> > the AMD64, both supporting my Geoforce3 (Platinum) card. My processor is
an
> > Athlon 1.4 Ghz. I reckon the 32 and 64 refer to a 32 bit OS and a 64 bit
OS
> > respectively, but I am in doubt about the AMD bit which might refer to
the
> > processor.
> >
> > Thanks for allowing me to dumb-ask.
> >
> > Teilhard


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Re: [newbie] Sound and video

2003-12-07 Thread Teilhard Knight
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> Friday 05 December 2003 1:23 pm, RickS wrote:
> 
>
> *HOLD IT!
>
> > IA32 or IA64 are Intel architecture 32 and 64  bit
> > AMD64 is well ..you guessed it ..  for your AMD Athlon 1.4, so download
> > the AMD64 driver and make sure you look at the readme file 1st.
> > I have an Intel and I rushed thru it to get it working and ended up
> > mangling it. So prepare yourself. You have any more questions post
> > them.
>
> Incorrect, wrong, not freakin' likely and _don't do that!_
>
> > Good Luck
> > RickS
>
> Yeah, he'd need luck with that advice.
>
> You're right about IA32 and IA64 being Intel but AMD64 is NOT an Athlon
> anything. It's an actual 64 bit processor. Also called Opteron, AMD64.
FX-51
> etc ad infinitum. While the AMD64 processors will run in a "legacy mode"
and
> you're able to run 32 bit operating systems on them, the reverse is
_*NOT*_
> true.
>
> Don't try to install a 64 bit application or driver on the Athlon, you
won't
> like the result.
>
> Regards;
> Charlie

Sorry to reply so late. My server or the list are not behaving in a decent
way for me. I appreciate your feedback. Only problem is that it seems there
are no drivers for my Athlon. I seem to need an equivalent to IA32, but
there is not one. What can I do? To remain with the "niv" (is that the
provided by Mandrake?) driver?

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Re: [newbie] Re:

2003-12-07 Thread Teilhard Knight
> On Friday 05 Dec 2003 11:47 pm, Teilhard Knight wrote:
> > > Hold on. I just realised something.
> > > You are using Class B addressing in this network.
> > > In that case the broadcast address I gave you is wrong. It should be
> > > BROADCAST=172.16.255.255
> >
> > Good news, Derek. I could get into Internet already. I sometimes find
that
> > I cannot get rid of what I am used in Windows. Just after making the
> > changes you indicated, iwconfig reported crazy things. I opted to
reboot,
> > and viola, I was even navigating. At first I was disappointed because
> > iwconfig reported "link quality=0", but you were not definitive about
the
> > wireless key to be the wrong one. You say something like "usually
means",
> > so, I decided to try it like that, and it worked.
> >
> > Many thanks, of course. I wish I could take you for a beer. I would
never
> > had done it myself.
> >
> > Cordially,
> >
> > Teilhard.
> Yowsa Well done.
> Yeah that link quality =0 means you either have a really good signal
quality,
> or none at all. I find it more comforting when I see it as anything other
> than zero.
> You are welcome to buy me a pint ,but you are probably quite a long way
away.
> How about you donate a similar value to PJ at www.groklaw.net ?
> PJ is leading the OpenSource fight against the money grabbing bastards at
SCO
> who are trying to steal Linux.
>
> groklaw has become compulsive reading for me. It is open collaboration at
its
> best.

Good idea. I just have the problem of finding where to make a donation to
PJ. I do not even find "PJ" mentioned in the web page. It seems it is all
news and articles. I tried to become a member, but I do not get the password
email, and I do not see an option for re-sending it. I'll keep an eye on
this site.

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[newbie] rpm name for crossover plugin.

2003-12-07 Thread yankl
Hi All,

Have a powersuit box set. On the top of the box it say that it's include a 
crossover, but I can not see it on the DVD. What is the name of rpm for 
crossover plagin?
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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 2:44 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> I don't
> know the situation in the UK, but here in the US power is 110v
> per leg. Two legs on the same circuit (what you refer to as a
> ring?) yields 220v for things like electric clothes dryers,
> range, ovens, and furnaces. Usually those are dedicated circuits,
> but all circuits are fused/circuit breaker protected for
> different voltage and amperage. 

Just in the interests of completeness.
Not in the UK. Here everything runs on 240V (actually a bit lower recently, 
IIUC.) The circuits are built as rings purely to allow extra current to flow 
without heating the wires too much or having too great an earth resistance.

In every case only one live wire comes into the property. The neutral is 
almost equivilant to the earth, (but may actually only be earth back at the 
transformer.) So there is no possibility of doubling the voltage as you 
describe. Industrial premises have the option of taking all three phases 
instead of one, with a voltage between the phases of 440V.

Standard domestic sockets have a current rating of 13A, with the ring fuse 
being 15A. Lighting circuits are 5A. The cooker circuit is 20A. The whole 
house is protected by a 30A fuse sealed by the distribution company.
(These are all IIRC, I'm not getting the torch out and looking now.)

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Re: [newbie] Sound issues, v9.2

2003-12-07 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 07 December 2003 11:28 am, Anne Wilson wrote:

>AW  Can I remind you and others reading, that to add your fixes to the
>AW  http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/FiveStarNews page would be a
>AW  help to others?
>AW
>AW  Anne

You can and I did... 

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Re: [newbie] Sound issues, v9.2

2003-12-07 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 07 December 2003 04:16 pm, Frans Ketelaars wrote:

>FK  Maybe your webcam has a build in microphone and is now recognised as the
>FK  _first_ audio device. See if a sound module is loaded for it with
>FK  '/sbin/lsmod'. Maybe just a matter of the ALSA drivers shipped with 9.2
>FK  having better support for usb audio :-) If so there should be a
>FK  solution to always load the driver for your onboard sound as the first
>FK  audio device.

Thanks, I'll try that out asap! :-)

Er - but I don't think it has the built in mic though... Have to check.

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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

2003-12-07 Thread Charlie Mahan
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Sunday 07 December 2003 1:59 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:

> Well, IMO, I don't see any suspense to it. Up till now all the
> various IDE schemes since Vesa Local, including SATA, ride on the
> old. tired, rode hard'n put up wet 33.3Mhz PCI/IDE bus. Using
> various schemes to double, triple, even quad pump the results. Of
> course this would make users believe that this 2x, 3x, even 4x
> the thruput  til reality sets in.
>
>Best example is AGP. Advertised as 66mhz, but it's just a
> gimmick that ups graphical performance by about 7%, while
> imposing additional loads on the cpu/cache/ram that have a
> detrimental affect to overall system performance. In truth it's
> just a 33.3mhz PCI bus subset spec.  Once that cat was out of the
> bag, they went on to advertise AGP 2x, 4x, and now 8x.  An
> they've got a lot of people thinkin it's an improvement. Billy
> Gates type marketing IMO. Serious overclockers and production
> server, mission critical types OTOH, went as far out of the way
> as they could (and still do) to resist and avoid these crowd
> pleasers.
>
>I don't know enough about PCI-X to comment on it accurately,
> but as you can see from the name, it still runs on the 33.3mhz
> PCI bus. Never know what just might be right around the next
> corner tho  ;)But 
>
> Then ya still got'a wait 6 mos. to a year for it to be
> adequately supported in Linux.  As it stands, better HDD
> performance is currently achieved with high rpms and bigger
> bigger faster drive caches. Yet the PCI/IDE bus hasn't been fully
> exploited yet.

This is actually fairly readable and understandable:

http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.html?i=1830

If you want the specs they're here for download:

http://www.pcisig.com/specifications

You need to register to get the specs I think.

Regards;
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Re: [newbie] Solved-- Setting the Time (I think)

2003-12-07 Thread Derek Jennings
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 11:48 pm, The Other wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:22:18 +
>
> Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Saturday 06 Dec 2003 5:26 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
> > > Warning - There is a wizard in Mandrake Control Centre to set up
> > > an ntp server (if you install drakwizard rpm), but it has  a bug
> > > in it in 9.2 and will fsck up your timezone. (The developers are
> > > aware)
> >
> > I presume that Webmin is still available in 9.2?  You can easily
> > set it up there.  And see also http://www.ntp.org/ - Network Time
> > Protocol page, including lists of time servers
>
> I'm still working in 9.1.
>
> I used the wizard in Mandrake Control Centre to set up the ntpd
> daemon.
>
> I also installed the ntp rpm.   I could run the ntpdate command with
> a local timeserver specified and the time would update.
>
> When I installed the ntpd daemon, I could no longer run the ntpdate
> command, because the daemon was running.
>
> So at this point I'm assuming that while I'm connected to the
> Internet with the modem, the ntpd daemon is checking the time.
>
> But.
> I don't have man or info pages installed for ntp or the ntpd daemon.
>  It would be nice to see if I can change the default settings on how
> often it checks for the time.  Any ideas where the documentation may
> be found?
>
> Thanks,
> The Other
Info on NTP here
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/index.html

while the ntp daemon is running ntpdate will not work
To reassure yourself it is working
/usr/sbin/ntptime  will report the time from the daemon.
/usr/sbin/ntptrace  will report the route to the ntp server.

Note if your clock is more than 1 hour out from the atomic clock ntp will 
assume it is 'insane' and will not change the time.
Also the daemon only changes the time gradually, and will not even start 
working until 15 mins after it is started. So do not start the daemon and 
immediately expect the time to change. That is what the 'step-ticker' is for.

derek

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[newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o

2003-12-07 Thread Langsley T Russell
Hi all. I finally managed to update my mandrake 9.2 yesterday. I tried
deleting the lock file from the /var/lib/urpmi file as directed by
Derek, but was denied permission. So I thought I would change the
permissions and then delete the lock file. After adding the permission
to the /var/lib/urpmi directory I was able to download the update files
without even deleting the lock file. Should I still delete the lock
file? It took about 3 hours on my dial up connection to download the
updates but it went without a hitch, I thought. KMail has likewise
apparently been obliterated. 

When I booted up today I found that I no longer have the icons for any
of the OO.o programs in my kicker/panel. In there place are several gear
icons leading to nonexistent directories/files.I checked the "Office"
heading on my main menu and there is no sign of OO.o there either. What
did I do wrong? What must I do to get my OO.o programs back?

I also now find that I have 20+ Gzip files in my /var/lib/urpmi
directory. Should I do something with these? Are they even supposed to
be there?

I also now have about 30 text and XML files and about 24 directories in
my home directory Which weren't there previously. Is this expected? 

Should I remove the added permission for/var/lib/urpmi? 

Also I no longer have any sound. 

Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
 
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Re: [newbie] Bad Week for SCO

2003-12-07 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 07 December 2003 12:22 pm, dfox wrote:
>df  Somebody scribbled about Re: [newbie] Bad Week for SCO
>df  >So Linus sees a connection between Darl and whoring. I'll go along
>df  > with that. -- cmg
>df
>df  GPL SEX
>df

Right. You can do it, change how you do it, read all the instructions about 
how to do it, and even give it away for free...

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Re: [newbie] Solved-- Setting the Time (I think)

2003-12-07 Thread The Other
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:22:18 +
Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Saturday 06 Dec 2003 5:26 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
> >
> > Warning - There is a wizard in Mandrake Control Centre to set up
> > an ntp server (if you install drakwizard rpm), but it has  a bug
> > in it in 9.2 and will fsck up your timezone. (The developers are
> > aware)
> >
> I presume that Webmin is still available in 9.2?  You can easily
> set it up there.  And see also http://www.ntp.org/ - Network Time 
> Protocol page, including lists of time servers


I'm still working in 9.1.

I used the wizard in Mandrake Control Centre to set up the ntpd
daemon.

I also installed the ntp rpm.   I could run the ntpdate command with
a local timeserver specified and the time would update.

When I installed the ntpd daemon, I could no longer run the ntpdate
command, because the daemon was running.

So at this point I'm assuming that while I'm connected to the
Internet with the modem, the ntpd daemon is checking the time.

But.
I don't have man or info pages installed for ntp or the ntpd daemon.
 It would be nice to see if I can change the default settings on how
often it checks for the time.  Any ideas where the documentation may
be found?

Thanks,
The Other

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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

2003-12-07 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Sunday 07 December 2003 07:00 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Besides, SATA will soon be deprecated by PCI
> > Express.
>
> You wait for ages for a bus, then as always 2 come along
> together 
>
> Anne

Well, IMO, I don't see any suspense to it. Up till now all the 
various IDE schemes since Vesa Local, including SATA, ride on the 
old. tired, rode hard'n put up wet 33.3Mhz PCI/IDE bus. Using 
various schemes to double, triple, even quad pump the results. Of 
course this would make users believe that this 2x, 3x, even 4x 
the thruput  til reality sets in.

   Best example is AGP. Advertised as 66mhz, but it's just a 
gimmick that ups graphical performance by about 7%, while 
imposing additional loads on the cpu/cache/ram that have a 
detrimental affect to overall system performance. In truth it's 
just a 33.3mhz PCI bus subset spec.  Once that cat was out of the 
bag, they went on to advertise AGP 2x, 4x, and now 8x.  An 
they've got a lot of people thinkin it's an improvement. Billy 
Gates type marketing IMO. Serious overclockers and production 
server, mission critical types OTOH, went as far out of the way 
as they could (and still do) to resist and avoid these crowd 
pleasers.

   I don't know enough about PCI-X to comment on it accurately, 
but as you can see from the name, it still runs on the 33.3mhz 
PCI bus. Never know what just might be right around the next 
corner tho  ;)But 

Then ya still got'a wait 6 mos. to a year for it to be 
adequately supported in Linux.  As it stands, better HDD 
performance is currently achieved with high rpms and bigger 
bigger faster drive caches. Yet the PCI/IDE bus hasn't been fully 
exploited yet.  
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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 8:25 pm, robin wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 5:54 am, Lanman wrote:
> >>Something curious to note here ( at least for me ), is that I
> >> find that most of my clients are eager to
> >>learn when you take the time to teach them a few things, and to
> >>explain something in plain English
> >>instead of "Techno-Babble".
> >
> > In truth, it's the techno-babble that mostly scares people off. 
> > It takes time and effort to explain things without it.  Good luck
> > to you on that, Lanman.  I know your explanations got me out of
> > some real fixes when I was starting out.
>
> Very true, and the problem is that once you've been messing with
> Linux for a while, you tend to forget what is technobabble and what
> isn't.  As the semi-official techie for our office, I'm always
> answering questions with lines like "Just FTP it to the server." 
> Then the blank stare reminds me that the person doesn't know what
> "FTP" or "server" mean.
>
LOL - I was troubleshooting my next door neighbour's box a few days 
ago, and chatting nonchalantly about what I was doing, when he said 
'I just love it when you talk dirty!'

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Re: [newbie] Samba help please?

2003-12-07 Thread Lanman
On 12/8/2003 at 8:54 AM Al Yaemes wrote:
>Ok, changed workgroup to match xp box..stopped and started samba.
>usernames and passwords match. same problem...can navigate all the

way to "ddrive" but 0 files/0 directories..long/verbose
explanations are 
not boring...they contain a lot of helpful information..especially
when 
presented in plain English. I actually prefer long explanations :)

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Al; You shouldn't be having these problems. If I understand you
correctly, your Mandrake Box isn't 
seeing the files on your XP box, right? Ok, so we go through the
process starting with the stupid
questions, and working our way up from there. I ask you 2 or 3
questions, you check things out
on the XP box, and we cross them off the list, until we find the
answer, OK?

Here goes,

1) Is it XP Home or Pro?
2) Are there files in the XP share ( ddrive ) ?
3) Can you COPY files from the Mandrake Box to the XP box ?  
4) Why is the sky blue? Just Kidding - wanted to see if you were
paying attention ! Grin!
5) Have you checked to see what permissions are set for the
"ddrive" folder or hard disk?
Note; In XP, you have to select permissions for each user, and you
should be able to select
the workgroup, add users in that group, and set permissions as
well. Users in an XP group
that ONLY belong to a group on that one PC are the only ones who
have access permissions.
If you right-click on the shared folder, and select "Sharing and
Security" you should be able to 
find an applet window that lists the users who can access the
shared folder. The list usually
starts with the user "everyone", and at the bottom of the applet
window you should see what 
permissions that this user has. Above the user list, should be a
drop-down dialog box that shows
the name of the computer. If you select the drop-down arrow, you'll
also see the workgroup 
that you created ( IE; "Al's Worlkgroup" ). Select the workgroup
your users belong to, and then 
look at the permissions. While you're at it, you can now add the
user "Al" to the list and set some 
permissions for him.

I know that sounds silly, but XP assigns different permissions to
Al - an administrator on that PC,
as opposed to Al - a member of the workgroup "MyGroup" ( just an
example ), even though the 
workgroup "MyGroup" may exist on that PC. Wierd huh? You have to
set new permissions for 
anyone who belongs to the workgroup "MyGroup", and it might be
simpler to delete the share you 
made and create a new one.

While you're at it, make sure that you go to Control
Panel>Administrative Tools> Computer
Management>Users and Groups, then create the new workgroup and add
your user "Al" to that 
group. Then set permissions to the folder you want to share as I
described above.

Get back to me.

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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread Lanman
On 12/7/2003 at 10:25 PM robin wrote:

>Very true, and the problem is that once you've been messing with
Linux 
>for a while, you tend to forget what is technobabble and what
isn't.  As 
>the semi-official techie for our office, I'm always answering
questions 
>with lines like "Just FTP it to the server."  Then the blank stare

>reminds me that the person doesn't know what "FTP" or "server"
mean.
>
>Sir Robin
>
>Robin Turner
>
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Re: [newbie] urpmi & contrib

2003-12-07 Thread robin
Johan wrote:
Hi,
Ok I have updating with urpmi under the belt.
Kindly some pointers how does contrib figure in this please.
Maybe an example of using this please.
Thanks
The best thing to do is go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php 
. That will give you an option to choose a contrib mirror and will tell 
you what you need to type into your console. Choosing mirrors is pretty 
hit or miss - it normally makes sense to choose the nearest one to you, 
but you may get a slow server, and you have to remember that "close" in 
Internet terms is not always the same as geographically close (I'm in 
Turkey, but I'm "closer" to American servers than I am to most European 
ones).

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Re: [newbie] Samba help please?

2003-12-07 Thread robin
Al & Destiny wrote:
Hi all,

I have MDK 9.1 setup on an old box to link with my XP box.

Samba seems to work great as a server...I can browse my home dir from the XP
box.
But I cannot see any files on the XP box from Linux.

I can browse the network. I can find the XP box. I can see the share name
"ddrive" (I know, not very imaginative, but it does the trick..I know what
it is.)
After opening "ddrive" there are no files shown.

Any ideas what I could be doing wrong???

What flavour of XP is it?  In XP Professional, there is a setting you 
need to turn off in the XP box ("enable easy something-or-other" - a 
google on samba and XP will turn it up).  As far as I (and the assembled 
brains of our univeristy computer centre) can tell, if it's XP Home, 
you're screwed.  That's why, since they've taken the printer off my box 
and hooked it up to a Windows box, if I want to print a document I have 
to convert it to a format that Windows can read, copy to a floppy, and 
take it over to one of the Windows boxes.  G.

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Re: [newbie] gtk debugging libraries

2003-12-07 Thread Dimitar Haralanov
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 22:03:31 +
Jerry Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> glibc-debug 

Thank you for the hint, but I am looking for GTK debugging libraries
not glibc.

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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread robin
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 1:27 pm, Lanman wrote:

You might be surprised to learn how many people think computers are
intelligent, simply because
they are so hard to learn ! I get that very often ! Once I explain
that a significant amount of the
complexity is due to the fact that computers are essentially
stupid, things usually go better!
I'll own that for a long time I told people that computers were 
logical, and could not do whatever it was that was totally illogical.  
Eventually I came to see that we had passed a point of complexity at 
which apparently illogical things do happen because of interactions 
that we may be totally ignorant or unaware of.  Now I just say that 
they are supposed to be logical, but accompany it with a wry grin.
In situations like this, I go for the Dr. McCoy appraoch: "It's logic, 
captain, but not as we know it."

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread robin
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 5:54 am, Lanman wrote:

Something curious to note here ( at least for me ), is that I find
that most of my clients are eager to
learn when you take the time to teach them a few things, and to
explain something in plain English
instead of "Techno-Babble".
In truth, it's the techno-babble that mostly scares people off.  It 
takes time and effort to explain things without it.  Good luck to you 
on that, Lanman.  I know your explanations got me out of some real 
fixes when I was starting out.
Very true, and the problem is that once you've been messing with Linux 
for a while, you tend to forget what is technobabble and what isn't.  As 
the semi-official techie for our office, I'm always answering questions 
with lines like "Just FTP it to the server."  Then the blank stare 
reminds me that the person doesn't know what "FTP" or "server" mean.

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Re: [newbie] Sound issues, v9.2

2003-12-07 Thread Frans Ketelaars
On Sunday 07 December 2003 16:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> Just a few comments here; I've had some problems with sound in v9.2
> other than that, a few minor wrinkles here and there, but it
> seems/feels pretty solid here.
>
> I've got a Soyo Dragon Plus MB, onboard sound, CMI8738MC6, and it
> uses snd-cmipci.
>
> Under v9.1, everything worked. Under 9.2 the issues are:
>
> Mplayer - wouldn't play sound in newer AVIs or MOVs
> fixed - in Mplayers' prefs, change audio to use arts.
>
> Games - Rune, Quake2, Descent3, etc,etc start but no sound
> fixed - start each game thus; "artsdsp rune" (for example).
>
> This works fine for all native games, but I've got a few WIneX games
> that also don't have sound. Half-Life for one. Can someone tell me
> how to pass the artsdsp command to WineX? I looked into WineXs'
> config file for a place to pick arts but couldn't find it. (I'm
> waiting for the first reply that says, "see, you WineX is evil - you
> should be using all native games! )
>
> I've still not figured out why my Logitech webcam (3000) causes arts
> to barf if I bootup with it plugged in. The webcam and arts get along
> fine if I plug it in (USB) -after- I bootup.

Maybe your webcam has a build in microphone and is now recognised as the 
_first_ audio device. See if a sound module is loaded for it with 
'/sbin/lsmod'. Maybe just a matter of the ALSA drivers shipped with 9.2 
having better support for usb audio :-) If so there should be a 
solution to always load the driver for your onboard sound as the first 
audio device.

> Overall, like I said, 9.2 seems to be a pretty solid release. Good
> job Mandrake! :-)

HTH,

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RE: FW: Re: [newbie] Missing Screensavers

2003-12-07 Thread Patrick Coffey
Nevermind, I updated all the packages and one of them did the trick. Thanks 
for the help.

--pat

From: "Patrick Coffey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FW: Re: [newbie] Missing Screensavers
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:15:59 +
Do you remeber what packages you updated or did you just update all of 
them?

--pat


From: Brandon Erik Bertelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Missing Screensavers
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:09:32 -0500
Patrick Coffey wrote:

Hello,
I just installed a fresh copy Mandrake 9.2 with KDE, when I go to 
Configure Desktop and go under screensavers there are none listed. I've 
installed just about every KDE rpm I could find and I couldn't find a 
solution that worked in the archives. Does anybody have an idea?

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Re: [newbie] Frame buffers was Re: Lilo start entries

2003-12-07 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Sunday 07 December 2003 10:41 am, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) 
wrote:
> >       The reason for the no-FB choice is that not all video
> > cards support framebuffer. If you can see the splash screen
> > when you first boot then your card does framebuffers.  All
> > nonfb does is the  vga=xxx  line is removed from this boot
> > option. vga=xxx is what sets the FB resolution.
>
> Like a CLI text mode bootup without any graphics?

 Yes, what you call 'CLI text mode' is just the monitors 
native mode without any graphical help.  I really think you'll 
get the whole picture (pardon the pun) if you Google 'frambuffer'
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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread John Richard Smith
Tom Brinkman wrote:



   So you might'a guessed where I'm going with this. GET AN UPS, 
specially for servers or any system running 24/7.  500VA is very 
suitable for even the most high powered workstations. It's also 
usually a good price point. My APC BackUPS/500 was $120 at 
Wal*Mart about 6 years ago.  Which brings up another important 
point.  UPS are just power inverters, taking relatively low 
voltage DC (battery power) and outputting high voltage AC when 
needed. 'Course there's other circuitry to react to low/high 
power situations in fractions of a micro second. Still the most 
expensive component is the battery. Even in a very cheap UPS. The 
better UPS brands like APC, cost more initially, but the battery 
is very high quality and lasts much longer. Mine is still good as 
new after 6 years. Cheap UPS' are a false ecomomy.

Doesn't really help your immediate problem, but it's a likely 
cause of it, and should be eliminated in any event. Even if it's 
not the ultimate culprit.
 

 

I can see I will have to bite the bullet and buy an UPS.
It only remains to choose the right one.
I think I will start with my best computer, the one I'm on now.
I like to run this computer 24/7 60% of the time, 16/7 40% of the 
time,I
really don't know why I bother to turn it off (I've learnt the hard 
way
electrical equipement , especially things like TV's of which I have a
few to extract data on teletext are better left on, than turned off,
they just last longer, don't know why , they just do, take it from me,
I've 25 years of it to know) but I do sometimes.

So It's a quest to find the best piece of value for money UPS, UK 
source.

John

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla mail filters

2003-12-07 Thread Margot
Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
I am using Mozilla 1.3 and was previously using Mozilla 1.0. I created
many email filters under 1.0 that where consequently imported the 1.3
install. No problem so far..but
I am unable to view/change the details of any of the filters or even add
a new one. I can click on new but I cannot add/edit filter criteria,
only the rules as to what to do with the message when the criteria are met.
I can send you a screen shot FYI if the above explanation doesn't suit.

Suggestions on how to get the filter criteria back ie uninstall and
reinstall etc?
I have Mozilla 1.4 (upgraded from 1.0 on Mandrake 9.0 then reinstalled 
on Mandrake 9.2) and have no problem with the filters. Is there any 
particular reason why you are running Mozilla 1.3? Could you upgrade to 1.4?

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Re: [newbie] Mysteries of the Scanner

2003-12-07 Thread Margot
Graham Watkins wrote:
et wrote:

On Sunday 07 December 2003 12:52 pm, Graham Watkins wrote:

Hi again folks,

I briefly managed to get my scanner working through Mandrake control
centre (first time ever!) - long enough to do a test scan which was
successful.  However the next time I tried to use it, Xsane could not
detect the device.  Back into control centre - the scanner was not
shown. I set it up manually (it's a Hewlett Packard 4200C) and
everything seemed to be OK but when I tried to use it, again no scanners
were detected.  It worked once, it must be possible to get it going
again.  Anyone know how?
Cheers


more info required
what version of MDK?
is it a USB scanner? LPT? scsi?
in /etc/sane.d/ do you have a file "hp4200.conf" and does it have the 
same settings as reported by 'sane-find-scanner' (as root, in the CLI)

I'm running 9.2.

It's a USB scanner

hp4200.conf reads as follows:

# Options dor the hp4200 backend

# Autodetect the HP4200c
usb 0x03f0 0x0105
/dev/usbscanner
/dev/usb/scanner0
/dev/scanner
I spent this weekend setting up a scanner on 9.2, so my knowledge is 
relatively recent...

You don't seem to have a firmware line in this file. Have you found the 
firmware file, and installed it in the correct directory? If you 
haven't, the file should be on the installation CD - my firmware file 
was hiding on the CD in a directory called 'Windows XP' - file should be 
called *.usb (eg mine is called sbfw.usb - yours is a different scanner 
so will have a different file name but same .usb extension).

Try reading man sane-usb - it is quite useful! Also, look at this site -
http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/ - full of useful information, 
including lists of names of firmware files etc.

Hope this helps.

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Re: [newbie] Bad Week for SCO

2003-12-07 Thread dfox
Somebody scribbled about Re: [newbie] Bad Week for SCO
>So Linus sees a connection between Darl and whoring. I'll go along
> with that. -- cmg

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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Sunday 07 December 2003 09:19 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
> >You can check line power easily with a VOhm meter,
>
> true, but, a) how to get your meter which has DC up to 20 V as
> your closest option to read acurately, b) sorting out the pins
> on the output plug from PSU.
>
> >just stick the
> >leads into the wall outlet you're using during periods when
> > your neighbors are using a lot of power.
>
> Well I'm on a nice little housing estate, we all get power
> reliably 99% of the time, form an adequate local transformer.

 Proximity to a local transformer is a big deal. John, I don't 
know the situation in the UK, but here in the US power is 110v 
per leg. Two legs on the same circuit (what you refer to as a 
ring?) yields 220v for things like electric clothes dryers, 
range, ovens, and furnaces. Usually those are dedicated circuits, 
but all circuits are fused/circuit breaker protected for 
different voltage and amperage.  But I digress 

 Back to computers. It's best to have them on a circuit that 
doesn't have a lot of other outlets on in. Unfortunately in my 
case, the system is in the kitchen sharing a circuit with a lot 
of other appliances. One of these days when I get a round-toit, I 
need to put it on a dedicated 110v circuit ;)

 Also, and this might be endemic to the US, or just many parts 
of it, the line power (outlet) voltage and amperage at the outlet 
varies. Often 90 to 120 volts, more often 90 to 95 than 110v.  
Many appliances such as TV's are built to accomodate this low to 
high power situation. All too often it's low power, which is just 
as hard on electronics as power spikes. Usually being very close 
to a local power company transformer, and not sharing with a 
bunch of other houses, greatly mitigates this unfortunate 
situation. Distance and sharing are vital components of electric 
transmission.  IE, being close but crowded, is just as bad as 
being far from the local step down tranformer.

Computers, even those with very good PSU's ($70 Antec) are 
very much less tolerant of low power and power spikes. Surge 
protectors only protect against spikes. AND, the more often 
they're called on to do this, the less effectual they become. 
Cheap ones sometimes only make it thru one spike. Even the very 
best should be regularly tested and/or replaced.  The good ones 
include a test button and fuse/breaker.

Getting back to VOhm meters. One can be had here for $10 to 
$15 at a hardware or auto supply store. Every one I've ever seen 
can be switched from DC to AC, and different voltage/amperage 
ranges selected.  There's even very cheap lightbulb 'pigtail' 
type devices that indicate proper outlet voltage if the bulb 
lites at the correct brightness (there's a little color chart 
next to the bulb). You might just be surprised that the outlet 
voltage isn't what the power company advertises.

So what's this to do with your computer(s). Well, all 
problems, after the user is excused  ;)  hardware must be the 
next elimination. AND this starts with the wall outlet. Easiest 
way to fix and ensure proper power is an UPS. They are also very 
much better at surviving power depressions and spikes then any 
surge protector (which only are capable of spikes). Most UPS have 
a test switch to ensure they're working properly.

So you might'a guessed where I'm going with this. GET AN UPS, 
specially for servers or any system running 24/7.  500VA is very 
suitable for even the most high powered workstations. It's also 
usually a good price point. My APC BackUPS/500 was $120 at 
Wal*Mart about 6 years ago.  Which brings up another important 
point.  UPS are just power inverters, taking relatively low 
voltage DC (battery power) and outputting high voltage AC when 
needed. 'Course there's other circuitry to react to low/high 
power situations in fractions of a micro second. Still the most 
expensive component is the battery. Even in a very cheap UPS. The 
better UPS brands like APC, cost more initially, but the battery 
is very high quality and lasts much longer. Mine is still good as 
new after 6 years. Cheap UPS' are a false ecomomy.

 Doesn't really help your immediate problem, but it's a likely 
cause of it, and should be eliminated in any event. Even if it's 
not the ultimate culprit.
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Re: [newbie] File Icons

2003-12-07 Thread Charlie Mahan
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Sunday 07 December 2003 10:06 am, Mike Adolf wrote:
> Is there a way to add icons to desktop links?  For example, I have a .sh
> that launches netbeans IDE.  I have a link to that .sh on my desktop.  How
> can I give that link an icon independent of file type?  Kinda like when I
> was a Mac user!
>
> mike

If you right click your desktop and click add link to application the 
resulting dialogue will have a generic (a gear in KDE) icon on the first 
iteration. Click that and you'll get a supplementary dialogue to change the 
icon. Is that what you're after?

It works for me anyway.

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Re: [newbie] Output of 'ls' in cl on /dev

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 7:49 am, RickS wrote:
> "ls" output of /dev
>
> crw-r-1 root root   1,   1 Dec 31  1969 mem
>
> I know " d " means directory and " l " is sym link but
> What does the " c " mean  core something ???
>
> RickS

From http://www.lydgate.org.uk/linux/HowDoI.html


 Character mode files: these files are either special system files 
(such as /dev/null, which we already discussed), or peripherals 
(serial or parallel ports), which share the particularity that their 
contents (if they have any) are not buffered (meaning they are not 
kept in memory). Such files are identified by the letter c.


You'll find other types there too.

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Re: [newbie] Samba help please?

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 7:54 pm, Al Yaemes wrote:
>
> Ok, changed workgroup to match xp box..stopped and started samba.
>
> usernames and passwords match.
>
> same problem...
>
> can navigate all the way to "ddrive" but 0 files/0 directories..
>
> long/verbose explanations are not boring...they contain a lot of
> helpful information..especially when presented in plain English.
>
> I actually prefer long explanations :)

A common problem is case sensitivity in the workgroup name.  It's not 
helped by the fact that you can't easily tell in windows whether you 
used capitals or not.  I got round it by deliberately changing my 
windows workgroup to all lower-case, knowing that then I could 
guarantee that I had set the identically.  HTH

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FW: Re: [newbie] Missing Screensavers

2003-12-07 Thread Patrick Coffey
Do you remeber what packages you updated or did you just update all of them?

--pat


From: Brandon Erik Bertelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Missing Screensavers
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:09:32 -0500
Patrick Coffey wrote:

Hello,
I just installed a fresh copy Mandrake 9.2 with KDE, when I go to 
Configure Desktop and go under screensavers there are none listed. I've 
installed just about every KDE rpm I could find and I couldn't find a 
solution that worked in the archives. Does anybody have an idea?

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[newbie] Output of 'ls' in cl on /dev

2003-12-07 Thread RickS
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"ls" output of /dev

crw-r-1 root root   1,   1 Dec 31  1969 mem

I know " d " means directory and " l " is sym link but
What does the " c " mean  core something ???

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[newbie] KWord in Mandrake9.2 won't spell check.

2003-12-07 Thread Keith Powell
Has anyone managed to get KWord spell checking working in Mandrake9.2?
Whenever I try to spell check, KWord just crashes.

a)  If so, which dictionary do you use?

b)  Can anyone please confirm if English-GB spell checking works 

I have tried using ASpell and ISpell as the dictionaries, and various encoding 
and clients, but every time there is the crash.

Also, KWord does not recognise the settings in KDE -> Control Centre -> 
Components -> Spell Checking. Every time I start it, KWord has gone back to 
English - US-ASCII - International ISpell. If I change the spelling 
settings in KWord, after the crash, it has gone back to these original 
settings.

English-GB Spell checking works with other KDE applications (for example 
KMail), and it also works in Abiword, which uses ASpell.

There was not this problem with Mandrake9.1. 

Many thanks for any advice.

Keith


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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
> Besides, SATA will soon be deprecated by PCI
> Express. 

You wait for ages for a bus, then as always 2 come along together 

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Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?

2003-12-07 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Saturday 06 December 2003 05:29 pm, Janus Sandsgaard wrote:
> > So, then the main difference is that the P4BGL-MX/533 has
> > ATA/133 IDE ports, and the P4P800-VM has SATA, but only
> > ATA/100 IDE ports.  I'd suggest avoiding SATA for now, so I
> > think the P4BGL-MX/533 would be more suitable for use with
> > Linux with ATA/133 drive(s).
>
> What is SATA?

Serial Advanced Technology Attachment  (for IDE harddrives). 
It's theroretical thruput is 150mb/s compared to ATA/133's 
133mb/s.  In reality this synthetic marginal gain doesn't often 
happen, specially with Linux. People with SATA happily report 45 
to 50mb/s from 'hdparm -t'. Big deal. My ATA/133 drives get 47+.  
Real world average performance is less than half that. Many 
problems and high cpu load are reported with SATA/Linux. 

   Currently there's only good full kernel support for VIA and 
Intel controllers. Besides, SATA will soon be deprecated by PCI 
Express. Best definitive source for research into this is the 
lkml (linux-kernel mailing list) archives. Ignore (windo$e) 
hardware site reviews. Actually 'burst' numbers like hdparm -t 
are pretty much useless too.  Just a synthetic bench that has 
very little relevance to various real world IDE operations.

   IMO, better to stick with ATA/133 for now.
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Re: [newbie] Samba help please?

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 6:32 pm, Al Yaemes wrote:
>
> XP User/Password:al/11
>
> Linux User/Password: al/11
>
> Easy passwords huh? but only temporary till i can get it all up and
> running how I want it to be.
>
Don't leave it too long.

> How do I change workgroup with Mandrake? I know how to change XP,
> but it wants a reboot(as usual with M$) but I've heard that
> linux very rarely needs rebooting.
>
Edit /etc/samba/smb.conf - BUT - make a backup copy of that file to 
smb.conf.orig first.  There's a lot of useful info in there that you 
may well want to read later, and it's too easy to lose it all, 
especially if you edit in Webmin.  Webmin is a great tool, but it 
does overwrite the existing file.
>
>
> Also, I keep hearing about "Webmin" as a configuration
> tool...where/how do I find it???

It comes as standard with Mandrake distros, but it's not installed by 
default.  Use Mandrake Control Center > Software Management to find 
and install it.  It can be accessed from a browser by 
https://localhost:1 (notice that it is http*s*)  or from a root 
console by just typing Webmin.  You have to give a root password to 
use it.  You'll see tabbed pages with links to configuration files 
for a huge number of programs.

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Re: [newbie] Samba help please?

2003-12-07 Thread Al Yaemes

- Original Message -
From: "Lanman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Samba help please?


> On 12/7/2003 at 5:51 PM Al & Destiny wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I have MDK 9.1 setup on an old box to link with my XP box.
> >
> >Samba seems to work great as a server...I can browse my home dir
> from the
> >XP
> >box.
> >
> >But I cannot see any files on the XP box from Linux.
> >
> >I can browse the network. I can find the XP box. I can see the
> share name
> >"ddrive" (I know, not very imaginative, but it does the trick..I
> know what
> >it is.)
> >
> >After opening "ddrive" there are no files shown.
> >
> >Any ideas what I could be doing wrong???
> >
> >TIA
> >
> >Shaz
>
> *** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***
>
> Is there a user on the XP box that is identical to the Samba box?
> This sounds like a permissions
> issue. Make sure that the new user not only has a password that is
> common to both boxes, but is
> also in the same workgroup.
>
> Speaking of Samba, has anyone tried Samba 3.0 ? Anything to know in
> advance about it?
>
> Lanman
>
>
>
>
XP User/Password:al/11

Linux User/Password: al/11



Easy passwords huh? but only temporary till i can get it all up and running
how I want it to be.

How do I change workgroup with Mandrake? I know how to change XP, but it
wants a reboot(as usual with M$) but I've heard that linux very
rarely needs rebooting.



Also, I keep hearing about "Webmin" as a configuration tool...where/how do I
find it???



TIA

Shaz




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Re: [newbie] Mysteries of the Scanner

2003-12-07 Thread Graham Watkins
et wrote:
On Sunday 07 December 2003 12:52 pm, Graham Watkins wrote:

Hi again folks,

I briefly managed to get my scanner working through Mandrake control
centre (first time ever!) - long enough to do a test scan which was
successful.  However the next time I tried to use it, Xsane could not
detect the device.  Back into control centre - the scanner was not
shown. I set it up manually (it's a Hewlett Packard 4200C) and
everything seemed to be OK but when I tried to use it, again no scanners
were detected.  It worked once, it must be possible to get it going
again.  Anyone know how?
Cheers
more info required
what version of MDK?
is it a USB scanner? LPT? scsi?
in /etc/sane.d/ do you have a file "hp4200.conf" and does it have the same 
settings as reported by 'sane-find-scanner' (as root, in the CLI)

I'm running 9.2.

It's a USB scanner

hp4200.conf reads as follows:

# Options dor the hp4200 backend

# Autodetect the HP4200c
usb 0x03f0 0x0105
/dev/usbscanner
/dev/usb/scanner0
/dev/scanner
sane-find-scanner brings up the following:

# No SCSI scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure 
that
  # you have loaded a SCSI driver for your SCSI adapter.

  # No USB scanners found. If you expected something different, make 
sure that
  # you have loaded a driver for your USB host controller and have 
installed a
  # kernel scanner module.

  # Scanners connected to the parallel port or other proprietary ports 
can't be
  # detected by this program.

so far as I can tell the USB module is loaded. Wouldn't know what to do 
if it wasn't.

Cheers,

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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread John Richard Smith
Lanman wrote:

John; It's continous. But the components in the power supply 
onlyaccept what they can manageor what they're rated for. The battery 
keeps this feed stable, and as a basic nature of electricity, only 
supplies what is needed at the time. Since it's a batteryafter all, it 
simply continues to store whatever is available until needed, and is 
constantly recharged by the wall outlet.

So in a way, you could say that it is "Continous Stepping" that
occurs, whereby the battery is the only source of electricity to the computer, but it 
can step up (or down ) the watts or amps to respond to the needs of the computer at 
any particular time.
In any case, it acts as a buffer between your PC or electrical device, and the variable power that your power company can provide.
 

OK, things are becoming much clearer now.

I guess then you buy an UPS, plug it in, and plug your compuers 
into the
UPS.

So ought I to seek an UPS that can handle 3 computers(physically
awkward) , or should I buy 3 individual UPS , or more particularly one
to start with so that I can figure out how it all works.
I wonder what power supply size is minimal for one computer ?

John

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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 1:23 pm, JoeHill wrote:
>
> I've really had just about enough of this place. I step out of line
> an inch and people are all over me. Lanman behaves like a raving
> madman and not a fuckin' peep of protest.
>
Joe, first, you never stop out of line an inch.  When you step out it 
is always the full nine yards.  It's no coincidence that whenever a 
thread like this gets going you are always one half of it.  Calm it, 
now.  You have a lot to offer, and your reputation for this sort of 
thing means that your genuine offerings are undervalued.  

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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 1:27 pm, Lanman wrote:
>
> You might be surprised to learn how many people think computers are
> intelligent, simply because
> they are so hard to learn ! I get that very often ! Once I explain
> that a significant amount of the
> complexity is due to the fact that computers are essentially
> stupid, things usually go better!
>
I'll own that for a long time I told people that computers were 
logical, and could not do whatever it was that was totally illogical.  
Eventually I came to see that we had passed a point of complexity at 
which apparently illogical things do happen because of interactions 
that we may be totally ignorant or unaware of.  Now I just say that 
they are supposed to be logical, but accompany it with a wry grin.

> I've recently hired someone who may be able to help with the Twiki
> pages. He actually starts
> tomorrow morning, and I'm thinking that this would be a good
> exercise for him. I know Tango
> Echo personally, so I'll contact him to get things started. Chances
> are he's already seeing this
> post anyways.
>
I'm going to be away for a few days, but I'll look forward to seeing 
things appearing soon   Another ally is always welcome.

> By the by, I've already turned off the Reply-To. Assuming that me
> DNS gets fully propogated by
> tomorrow, I'll be back on the list with my original email account.
>
Sounds good.

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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 12:42 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> >We had a lot of problems where clocks etc seemed fine, where I
> > believe that the problem was very short-lived power drops.  Even
> > cheap surge protectors seem to help in that case.
>
> Is that so, could be then that is what happened  with me, I
> certainly felt it to be powersupply failure at the immediate time
> it happened.
>
It may be superstition , but I also make it a rule that no-one 
plugs anything of any size/power into sockets close to my computer.  
Generally, the power supply for my camera is the only thing that ever 
gets plugged into the second socket on the computer connection 
socket.

> >British power companies do pretty well for general equipment's
> > needs, but computers are more delicate, and after troubleshooting
> > problems like yours for a long time, I've come to the conclusion
> > that they are simply not good enough without a little help.  It's
> > then just down to how affordable you can make that protection.
>
> Clearly , it's about whether I want to,
> a) UPS my attic power supply, running 3 computers, and surge
> protect only the one.
> b) surge protect all 4 computers, no ups.
> c) just accept the risks.
>
> But taking the first option ,
> How big an UPS do I need to protect a ring main running 3 computer,
> 2 printers and say 12 other minor devices like externel modems,
> calculators, yamaha sound keyboards,etc, et al.
>
I wouldn't put all of them on a UPS.  Surge protecters, if you buy 
decent ones, will probably be adequate for all your printers, modems, 
calculators and possibly even the keyboards, though since that is a 
relatively expensive item you might decide that it would be wise to 
put that on the UPS.

> I come back to the question, what is an UPS ?
> How does it fit in,
>
> I assume an UPS is basically a battery and a control device to make
> it all work.
> I have never heard of a 250V battery, so how is 250v stored ?
> Do you just plug the UPS in to the ring main ?
> Or do you have to break into the ring main circuit and install it
> in some way ?
>
John, electrics are not my 'thing' except in a practical way .  You 
plug in the main unit where your main computer was previously plugged 
in.  The equipment you need to protect are then plugged in to the 
back of the unit.  Mine, for instance, allows 4 items to be 
connected.

The power goes to a battery, which is continuously drained by the 
equipment switched on, and continually charged from the mains plug.  
There is generally an audio signal if the power cuts out for any 
reason, and most have some sort of indicator for if the power supply 
in the battery gets low.  They really are simple to set up.

As for size to take 3 computers and a keyboard, try APC's site for an 
indication, but when you've read it, come back with your ideas.  
There's sure to be someone here with experience that can tell you if 
you are on the right lines.  Looking at CCL:'s offerings, if you need 
to go to 1.4Kva it would be cheaper to put individual 450Kva ones on 
each system.

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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Lanman
On 12/7/2003 at 3:22 PM John Richard Smith wrote:

>Lanman wrote:
>
>>
>>John; The basic purpose of a UPS is to filter or condition the
>>electrical power which your computer 
>>receives. Typically, your computer runs off of the battery inside
>>the UPS, and a charger keeps the
>>battery charged from the wall outlet.
>>
>Thanks,
>
>So it's DC  battery kept charged by a rectified transformer output
, so 
>then the UPS must have a means of stepping up voltage from
whatever the 
>DC battery stores it at, converts it back  to mains AC supply
voltage, 
>in my case 230v AC and then supplies it to your computer, but does
it  
>just step in when needed or is it continuous ?
>-- 
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John; It's continous. But the components in the power supply only
accept what they can manage
or what they're rated for. The battery keeps this feed stable, and
as a basic nature of electricity, 
only supplies what is needed at the time. Since it's a battery
after all, it simply continues to store
whatever is available until needed, and is constantly recharged by
the wall outlet.  

So in a way, you could say that it is "Continous Stepping" that
occurs, whereby the battery is the 
only source of electricity to the computer, but it can step up (or
down ) the watts or amps to 
respond to the needs of the computer at any particular time.

In any case, it acts as a buffer between your PC or electrical
device, and the variable power that
your power company can provide.

If I could remember all my electrical theory from college, I'd be
able to give you the in depth nuts
and bolts.

Lanman


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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread JoeHill
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:14:05 -0500
Todd Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Life's too short to get all worked up over a couple of bozos.

Already done. But thanks.

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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread C. Tresenriter
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:42:50 +
JRS wrote:
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~snip*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
| Clearly , it's about whether I want to,
| a) UPS my attic power supply, running 3 computers, and surge protect 
| only the one.
| b) surge protect all 4 computers, no ups.
| c) just accept the risks.
| 
| But taking the first option ,
| How big an UPS do I need to protect a ring main running 3 computer, 2 
| printers and say 12 other minor devices like externel modems, 
| calculators, yamaha sound keyboards,etc, et al.
| 
| I come back to the question, what is an UPS ?
| How does it fit in,
| 
| I assume an UPS is basically a battery and a control device to make it
| all work.
| I have never heard of a 250V battery, so how is 250v stored ?
| Do you just plug the UPS in to the ring main ?
| Or do you have to break into the ring main circuit and install it in 
| some way ?
| 
| Or is this all wrong ?
| 
| Maybe the mains 250V is transformed into 12v, 5v,and 3.3v and sored
| like that and supplied to the mobo in the same way as the PSU does, in
| which case, how do you effect a connection to your mobo ? I only have
| the one socket on my mobo, and that's used by the PSU.
| 
| Sorry to ask all these very elimental questions, but I have never ever
| seen an UPS before let alone installed one. So far the net has yielded
| little info about them other than where to buy then, and defining the 
| term, UPS.
| 
| 
| John.
| 
| 
| -- 
| John Richard Smith
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

John,

Here's a link to a FAQ which has links to some manufacturers.
One of them had a place to enter your system then gave a recommendation 
as to what size UPS would be necessary - sorry - not sure which one it
was.
HTH

http://www.jetcafe.org/~npc/doc/ups-faq.html


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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread Lanman
On 12/7/2003 at 8:23 AM JoeHill wrote:

>Lanman and Lyvim have been slagging me for hours now, and all I
did
>was question his use of reply-to settings! 
>
>This is fucking ridiculous, I get called "bitch", I get
laboriously and
>thoroughly flamed, and *I'm* the one who gets criticised.
>
>I've really had just about enough of this place. I step out of
line an
>inch and people are all over me. Lanman behaves like a raving
madman and not a
>fuckin' peep of protest.
>
>Well, I'm not gonna do what Lyvim and Lanman want me to do, get
all pissy
>and run away, but I will never forget this. What applies for them,
applies for
>me. Fair is fair. From now on, if I say something someone doesn't
like, well
>ya can go stuff it.
>
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>-- Balzac

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Joe; Sometime's it's not what you say, it's the way you say it.
That's what get's me pissed off. 
This list is a community, which means it full of diverse opinions
and perspectives, but also full of 
different situatiuons. The problem I'm having with my email is
real, regardless of what your ISTOP
using friend is aware of. As I mentioned earlier, I have never used
a Reply-To address on this list.
Ever. I know why it shouldn't be used. But instead of taking that
at face value, your first thought was 
to check and see if I was lying or not, and that's why you checked
with someone you know who uses
ISTOP. 

When you found that someone else with the same ISP has never had
this problem, you immediately
jumped to the conclusion that you were right, that I was lying and
you had to prove it to the list. 
Rather than simply accepting that things are not always equal, you
immediately went on the attack. 
For what? What could this possibly solve? Was this some form of
gratification or validation of 
something? Perhaps an attempt to feel superior? I can only guess.

The question here is, why bother at all? Why make the effort to
disprove what I had to say about my 
situation? I wasn't using the Reply-To just for kicks! And I
certainly wasn't using it just so I could piss 
off Joe Hill ! 

Almost everyone else on the list responded with patience,
understanding, or humour about it, but they 
also offered suggestions and ideas. You didn't. That's what I mean
about what you say and how you say 
it.
   
Then you not only challenged what I have no control over, but also
insulted a friend - Lyvim, when I was 
trying to pay him a compliment! And a humourous compliment at that!
It was only a signature for Pete's 
sake!

And you wonder how this could get personal?   

What did you expect? A pat on the back, and a "Well Done" ? This
list operates like a club. It's about
people who enjoy Linux, and while they may not enjoy the problems
that crop up, they do enjoy solving 
them ! But it's also somewhat casual, and easy-going. Come to the
list and get the latest on current events,
the latest flame war ( which I'm sorry to say involves you and I -
again! ), or the latest horror story about 
the which corporation is trying to screw which other corporation. 

Very few of the list-members will base their life on what is said
or done on this list. They simply enjoy 
being part of a community to which they have something to
contribute. Yes, there are also others that 
come here for help. In most cases, they get the help they need, and
also offer to help others. That's 
also what this community is all about.

But you seem to have forgotten the "Casual and Easy-Going" part.
Sure there are Netiquette guidelines.
And they're good guidelines. But they're ONLY guidelines. They do
not form some sort of Bible which we
must bow down to. They are simply guidelines to good manners on the
list. They are not the rules by which 
a community polices itself. 
 
You seem to take pleasure in trying to throw these guidelines into
people's faces every chance you get. 
Is it any wonder that you come across like a control freak! No
offense intended, but perhaps you should 
try to understand how your actions and words might be interpreted
by others on the list before you click 
that "Send/Recieve" button. 

Then to add to this, you insult people by essentially calling them
liars, and putting them down. Can you
please explain why? At least if it was making you feel like you're
superior to others I'd understand why.
I wouldn't agree, but I'd understand.

How can you be surprised at all the attacks you get from something
like this? You're track record on this
list is what makes many people take you the wrong way. That's why
you get attacked. 

I'm trying to understand what the big deal is here with you, and
I'm not getting it. That's probably another 
aspect of this problem that we're having. I'd like to solve it so
that we can get on with things. So let's see
if we can find a common ground and move on with the important
issues, shall

Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread John Richard Smith
Anne Wilson wrote:

On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 9:19 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

No problem there it seems , so far all of those available in UK
seem to be identicle.
   

John - just a thought.  Overclockers tend to need to be ultracareful.  
Have you tried looking at overclockers.com to see if they 
sell/recommend anything?

 

 Now why did the old one fail? Well sometimes they do, but many
are affected as much or more by insufficient line power as by
power spikes.
 

Is that so, now that may explains a lot.
My computer was downloading all by itself and when I came back it
was knackered.
   

We had a lot of problems where clocks etc seemed fine, where I believe 
that the problem was very short-lived power drops.  Even cheap surge 
protectors seem to help in that case.

Is that so, could be then that is what happened  with me, I certainly 
felt it to be powersupply failure at the immediate time it happened.

 

Another occurance is when
something like the A/C, furnace, or the refridgerator kicks in.
 

Well we have plenty of equipement that kicks in and out , like
fridges, freezers, so there is a possibility
   

I know for a fact that some problems we had was when the washing 
machine started up spin cycle.  That's a momentary big drain on 
power.  Again, surge protectors on systems have helped there.  I 
can't afford usp units for every box, but every box has some kind of 
protection, according to how vital the system is.  Only two boxes 
(funnily enough, the two Mdk boxes) have a ups :-).

Yes, and now that I've had time to think about it, I remember putting 
the Kettle on for my early morning cup of coffee, and it must of been 
right about that moment when  the computer crashed. What's the betting 
if caused enough of a surge, or voltage drop to throw the PSU in it's 
unprotected state.

British power companies do pretty well for general equipment's needs, 
but computers are more delicate, and after troubleshooting problems 
like yours for a long time, I've come to the conclusion that they are 
simply not good enough without a little help.  It's then just down to 
how affordable you can make that protection.

 

Clearly , it's about whether I want to,
a) UPS my attic power supply, running 3 computers, and surge protect 
only the one.
b) surge protect all 4 computers, no ups.
c) just accept the risks.

But taking the first option ,
How big an UPS do I need to protect a ring main running 3 computer, 2 
printers and say 12 other minor devices like externel modems, 
calculators, yamaha sound keyboards,etc, et al.

I come back to the question, what is an UPS ?
How does it fit in,
I assume an UPS is basically a battery and a control device to make it 
all work.
I have never heard of a 250V battery, so how is 250v stored ?
Do you just plug the UPS in to the ring main ?
Or do you have to break into the ring main circuit and install it in 
some way ?

Or is this all wrong ?

Maybe the mains 250V is transformed into 12v, 5v,and 3.3v and sored like 
that and supplied to the mobo in the same way as the PSU does, in which 
case, how do you effect a connection to your mobo ? I only have the one 
socket on my mobo, and that's used by the PSU.

Sorry to ask all these very elimental questions, but I have never ever 
seen an UPS before let alone installed one. So far the net has yielded 
little info about them other than where to buy then, and defining the 
term, UPS.

John.

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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread JoeHill
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 07:44:43 +
Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Let's drop this, for sure Joe will keep it going as long as anyone responds.

Me??!! Lanman and Lyvim have been slagging me for hours now, and all I did was
question his use of reply-to settings!

For chrissakes, that psychopath threatened to *come to my house*!

This is fucking ridiculous, I get called "bitch", I get laboriously and
thoroughly flamed, and *I'm* the one who gets criticised.

I've really had just about enough of this place. I step out of line an inch and
people are all over me. Lanman behaves like a raving madman and not a fuckin'
peep of protest.

Well, I'm not gonna do what Lyvim and Lanman want me to do, get all pissy and
run away, but I will never forget this. What applies for them, applies for me.
Fair is fair. From now on, if I say something someone doesn't like, well ya can
go stuff it.

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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 12:16 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
> Richard Urwin wrote:
> >b) The truth is out there. Put "atx pinout" into your favorite search
> > engine. There seem to be plenty of hits, top of the list was
> >http://xtronics.com/reference/atx_pinout.htm. Don't stare at the
> > background for long.
>
> Is this a view of the Mobo socket,
> or the PSU plug.
>
> I donn't know ?
> Could be either,

But the colours of the pins correspond to the wire colours.

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Re: [newbie] Mysteries of the Scanner

2003-12-07 Thread et
On Sunday 07 December 2003 12:52 pm, Graham Watkins wrote:
> Hi again folks,
>
> I briefly managed to get my scanner working through Mandrake control
> centre (first time ever!) - long enough to do a test scan which was
> successful.  However the next time I tried to use it, Xsane could not
> detect the device.  Back into control centre - the scanner was not
> shown. I set it up manually (it's a Hewlett Packard 4200C) and
> everything seemed to be OK but when I tried to use it, again no scanners
> were detected.  It worked once, it must be possible to get it going
> again.  Anyone know how?
>
> Cheers
more info required
what version of MDK?
is it a USB scanner? LPT? scsi?
in /etc/sane.d/ do you have a file "hp4200.conf" and does it have the same 
settings as reported by 'sane-find-scanner' (as root, in the CLI)


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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)
Lanman wrote:
So, to make this easy on Joe, who has obviously become the List Nazi of the day, I will explain.

Istop explanation...

Since I have about 250 clients who rely on me to stay in contact with them, this was a 
priority for me, at
least until my DNS server settings were updated with the new static IP address that I 
rely on for business.
So whether or not you like it, that's the way it had to be.
.
Whilst I intend to agree with Joe on this with regards to netiquette, I 
do not mind doing it for a short time and possibly having to resend some 
emails to the list address as opposed to lanman. With the current slump 
in world IT budgets, courtesy 9/11, and the huge unemployment rate, I 
say lanman you keep your reply address as your email address, for a 
while anyway, just to keep your clients happy.

I am sure he could circumvent this problem by using another email 
address for his email list or having his own email server with two email 
addresses. With 250 clients it should be affordable, but until he does 
find a solution or Mandrake forcibly changes his message reply to 
reflect the list he is replying to, I do not think it is too much for us 
as list members to put up with for a little while.

In short lanman your reply to inability does annoy me, I am pretty sure 
there is a workable solution to all parties concerned but i am willing 
to put up with it for commerce sake.

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Re: [newbie] KWord Spelling

2003-12-07 Thread Keith Powell
On Saturday 06 Dec 2003 12:45 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
> Keith Powell wrote:
> >Hello Charlie.
> >
> >Sorry, but your suggestion does not work.
> >
> >KWord ignores the Control Center/Components/Spell Checker settings,
> > and just starts each time with the English Dictionary, US-ASCII
> > Encoding, and International Ispell Client.
> >
> >Even if I change the spelling settings in KWord, it just crashes
> > when I try to spell check.
> >
> >I have uninstalled KOffice and reinstalled it, but the problem is
> > the same.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Keith
>
> Is that KDE CC - Components - Spell Checker
>
> Maybe your missing a kde spellchecker app, I don't know which
> supplies it, but here is a list of all the kde stull on mine and
> english (uk) spellchecker seems to work OK in kword.

Thanks for the reply and the list, John. 

I had several packages not installed, so I installed them. Doing an rpm 
-qa | grep kde on my installation gives me about thirty more packages 
than are on your list. They are mainly libraries, so I assume you 
edited your list.

After installing them, there is still the same problem of KWord crashing 
when I try to spell check, and it not recognising the KDE CC - 
Components - Spell Checker settings. Nor remembering the spelling 
settings in KWord itself.

I have reinstalled KOffice again, and also reinstalled KDE. But it's 
still the same - keeps crashing.

The only thing I may do is to reinstall the complete distro and see if 
that cures it. Otherwise I am at a loss and will have to give up trying 
to use KWord. I daren't trust myself to send any letters without the 
spelling being checked!

> there is also something called,
> kde-i18-en_GB-3.1.3-1mdk
>
> I guess there is something similar for your required language
>
I live in Yorkshire, so kde-i18-en_GB-3.1.3-1mdk is installed.

One thing I have noticed. All your packages are earlier than mine (for 
example, your kdebase-servicemenu is 1.0-6, whereas mine is 1.0-12) 
Anne has no problems with spell checking in KWord, but she runs MDK9.1. 
Mine is MDK9.2.  

Cheers

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Re: [newbie] Missing Screensavers

2003-12-07 Thread Frans Ketelaars
On Sunday 07 December 2003 00:59, Patrick Coffey wrote:
> Hello,
>  I just installed a fresh copy Mandrake 9.2 with KDE, when I go
> to Configure Desktop and go under screensavers there are none listed.
> I've installed just about every KDE rpm I could find and I couldn't
> find a solution that worked in the archives. Does anybody have an
> idea?
>
> --Pat

IIRC installing the kdeartwork package gives you (additional) 
screensavers.

HTH,

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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems on 9.2 Install

2003-12-07 Thread Graham Watkins
Graham Watkins wrote:
On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:32, Graham Watkins wrote:



I'm going to give up for tonight, log into windows and listen to Andy
Kershaw on the beeb.
Tomorrow is another day

Unfortunately, it's just like the last one. Still no sound.

Anyone got any more ideas?

Just to let you know that I sorted it. Switched off Alsa in control 
centre and attempted to get OSS running.  That didn't work either so I 
ran alsaconf again, this time with the sound service switched off. This 
did the trick.  The sound was rough at first but I tweaked the settings 
in Kmix and now it sounds better than ever.

Thanks for your help guys.

It looks like I'll be sticking with 9.2 after all.

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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 9:19 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
>
> No problem there it seems , so far all of those available in UK
> seem to be identicle.
>
John - just a thought.  Overclockers tend to need to be ultracareful.  
Have you tried looking at overclockers.com to see if they 
sell/recommend anything?

> >   Now why did the old one fail? Well sometimes they do, but many
> >are affected as much or more by insufficient line power as by
> >power spikes.
>
> Is that so, now that may explains a lot.
> My computer was downloading all by itself and when I came back it
> was knackered.

We had a lot of problems where clocks etc seemed fine, where I believe 
that the problem was very short-lived power drops.  Even cheap surge 
protectors seem to help in that case.

> >Another occurance is when
> >something like the A/C, furnace, or the refridgerator kicks in.
>
> Well we have plenty of equipement that kicks in and out , like
> fridges, freezers, so there is a possibility
>
I know for a fact that some problems we had was when the washing 
machine started up spin cycle.  That's a momentary big drain on 
power.  Again, surge protectors on systems have helped there.  I 
can't afford usp units for every box, but every box has some kind of 
protection, according to how vital the system is.  Only two boxes 
(funnily enough, the two Mdk boxes) have a ups :-).

British power companies do pretty well for general equipment's needs, 
but computers are more delicate, and after troubleshooting problems 
like yours for a long time, I've come to the conclusion that they are 
simply not good enough without a little help.  It's then just down to 
how affordable you can make that protection.

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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 9:19 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
> Tom Brinkman wrote:
> >You can check line power easily with a VOhm meter,
>
> true, but, a) how to get your meter which has DC up to 20 V as your
> closest option to read acurately, b) sorting out the pins on the output
> plug from PSU.

a) I use an Academy PG012 from Maplin*. In the 20V range, at 5V it gives two 
decimal places. You're not going to get better accuracy than that even if you 
find one with more digits on the display unless you send it off to a 
calibration lab. There will also be noise on the power line, and it will 
probably be in the millivolt range.

b) The truth is out there. Put "atx pinout" into your favorite search engine. 
There seem to be plenty of hits, top of the list was 
http://xtronics.com/reference/atx_pinout.htm. Don't stare at the background 
for long.

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[newbie] [TV-Card] No channels are found

2003-12-07 Thread Bert Meersma
Hi all,

I have a Pinnacle PCTV tv card. I have tried configuring this card by
putting the right lines in the modules.conf file, but I can't get any
channels listed.
Now I removed the lines from modules.conf and did a rmmod bttv. After
that I did modprobe bttv. Dmesg than gave the following output:

bttv: driver version 0.7.100 loaded
bttv: using 4 buffers with 2080k (8320k total) for capture
bttv: Host bridge is VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400 AGP] Host
Bridge
bttv: Bt8xx card found (0).
bttv0: Bt878 (rev 17) at 00:08.0, irq: 19, latency: 32, mmio: 0xdddfe000
bttv0: detected: Pinnacle PCTV [card=39], PCI subsystem ID is 11bd:0012
bttv0: using: BT878(Pinnacle PCTV Studio/Ra) [card=39,autodetected]
tda9887: probing bt848 #0 i2c adapter [id=0x10005]
tda9887: chip found @ 0x86
bttv0: i2c attach [client=tda9887,ok]
tuner: probing bt848 #0 i2c adapter [id=0x10005]
tuner: chip found @ 0xc0
bttv0: i2c attach [client=(tuner unset),ok]
bttv0: i2c: checking for MSP34xx @ 0x80... not found
bttv0: pinnacle/mt: id=1 info="PAL / mono" radio=no
tuner: type set to 33 (MT2032 universal)
MT2032: Companycode=3cbf Part=42 Revision=46
not a MT2032.
bttv0: using tuner=33
bttv0: i2c: checking for MSP34xx @ 0x80... not found
bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA9875 @ 0xb0... not found
bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA7432 @ 0x8a... not found
bttv0: PLL: 28636363 => 35468950 ... ok
bttv0: registered device video0
bttv0: registered device vbi0

I think this is correct, although I'm not sure.
But no matter what I do, I can't get any channels listed. Not even get a
full screen with snow. Al I get is a tv screen that's mostly black or
blue or green and a little edge with snow on the upper side. Check out
the screenshot on:

http://members1.chello.nl/~b.meersma/xawtv.png

I'm trying this all on Mandrake 9.1. And there's no problem in the
cable, because in Windows it does work.

Could someone help me with this please.

Kind Regards,

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Re: [newbie] Sound Problems on 9.2 Install

2003-12-07 Thread Graham Watkins
On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:32, Graham Watkins wrote:


> I'm going to give up for tonight, log into windows and listen to Andy
> Kershaw on the beeb.
> 
> Tomorrow is another day
> 
Unfortunately, it's just like the last one. Still no sound.

Anyone got any more ideas?

cheers,

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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread John Richard Smith
Tom Brinkman wrote:

On Friday 05 December 2003 08:46 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Seems to be the power supply , so I'm after a new one,
hopefully more reliable one, but maybe I'm going to have to
think more seriously about surge protectors if they are any
good.Either that or buy a spare.
John
   

Get an Antec if you can. 

OK I will look into this, really, to my simple little mind all power 
PSU's ought to have at least a surge protector built into them, after 
all it's where it is really needed, all of the time , and any computer 
is this protected from sudden upsurges in power.

If not, consult the AMD list for 
approved manufacturers, even for use with an Intel system.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_4348^4376,00.html

OK,

A cheap PSU is false economy. 

I agree, but right now off the shelf they seem to be the only ones 
available, at least my local suppliers PSU's make no mention of surge 
protectors, and as I needed something to get back up and running I've 
bought a cheapie to do just that.

Be aware tho that many ready made 
systems use proprietary connectors and power requirements, and 
you're stuck going to them for a replacement PSU.

No problem there it seems , so far all of those available in UK seem to 
be identicle.

  Now why did the old one fail? Well sometimes they do, but many 
are affected as much or more by insufficient line power as by 
power spikes. 

Is that so, now that may explains a lot.
My computer was downloading all by itself and when I came back it was 
knackered.
Now it had attempted a reboot all by itself, but got stuck on the first 
fsck @ the y/n question.

Anyway My wife says none of the electric clocks have played up , which 
they usually do when we do get a power cut, which is not often. But a 
power reduction is quite likely

Better PSU's have their own built-in protection.

which is what I'm now after.

You can check line power easily with a VOhm meter, 

true, but, a) how to get your meter which has DC up to 20 V as your 
closest option to read acurately, b) sorting out the pins on the output 
plug from PSU.

just stick the 
leads into the wall outlet you're using during periods when your 
neighbors are using a lot of power. 

Well I'm on a nice little housing estate, we all get power reliably 99% 
of the time, form an adequate local transformer.

Another occurance is when 
something like the A/C, furnace, or the refridgerator kicks in. 

Well we have plenty of equipement that kicks in and out , like fridges, 
freezers, so there is a possibility

The fix is to use an UPS. They are not only better at protecting 
from spikes than surge protectors are, they also protect against 
'brownouts'. Providing steady clean power. Consider an UPS as 
protecting all your hardware, not just the PSU.
 

 

Year, I'm reluctantly coming around to that idea. Heck all this 
equipement just to run a computer. Still at the end of the day, one has 
to balance the cost and inconvenience of installing more equipement over 
the cost and inconvenience of repair of burnt out equipement. I don't 
think I can protect everything.

John

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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread John Richard Smith
Carroll Grigsby wrote

John:
Oops. "Ring main"? British English != American English. British Wiring 
Practices != American Wiring Practices. Oh well, press on...

 

Oh , It's no big deal,
Power enters your property to a junction/fuse box where it is split into 
a number of fuse protected ciruits that go off around the property in 
loops back to the junction/fuse box,

So My house will have at lease

ring main power downstairs
ring main power upstairs
ring main lights downstairs,
ring main lights upstairs,
in addition I have

ring main attic power
ring main attic lights
ring main garage power
ring main garage power
each are seperately fused and that protects the ring main circuit.

So I have a circuit in the attic where many of our computers sit, called 
ring main attic power.

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Re: [newbie] updatedb

2003-12-07 Thread Lee Wiggers
On 07 Dec 2003 02:02:22 -0500
Lyvim Xaphir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 01:45, Lee Wiggers wrote:
> > How do I include specific network shares when I update the
> > locate db?  I thought they were automagically included if
> > mounted when I updatedb.
> > 
> > Lee
> > 
> 
> Take a look at /etc/updatedb.conf.
> 
> LX
> 
> -- 
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>  then it would probably look like Linux"
> -- Aron Smith, Mandrake OT mailing list
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> 
> 
> 
> 
How good can you get?

It was driving me nuts having to physically log in to the file
server to do a keyword search.  Sucks when you remember part of a
filename.  With me that's spelled "usually".

Tnx LX

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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 5:54 am, Lanman wrote:
>
> Something curious to note here ( at least for me ), is that I find
> that most of my clients are eager to
> learn when you take the time to teach them a few things, and to
> explain something in plain English
> instead of "Techno-Babble".
>
In truth, it's the techno-babble that mostly scares people off.  It 
takes time and effort to explain things without it.  Good luck to you 
on that, Lanman.  I know your explanations got me out of some real 
fixes when I was starting out.

The other problem, as you say elsewhere, is that of making the 
software switch.  In a recent thread Tango Echo pointed to 
http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/#1 and wondered if we 
could do something like that on the TWiki (you do know about the 
TWiki, Lanman?  See my sig, if not.  I'm known as the list nag about 
it ). RL has been heavy here lately, and I'm going to be away 
almost all of the coming week, so I haven't time to get it started.  
What's needed is the start of a table on a TWiki page, to which we 
can add suggestions.  I would like to see two additional columns, one 
for where the app can be found, and the other noting which versions 
of Mdk it's available for.  Anyone volunteering to help us get 
started?  I'm sure many will add entries once the page gets going.

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Re: [newbie] Complete failure

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 06 Dec 2003 7:24 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
> Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> >John:
> >Neither one. The first one is just a PSU; the second one is
> > probably way too big for your needs. (But then, I don't know what
> > your needs are, do I?) That puppy should be able to back up five
> > or six workstations without breaking a sweat.
> >
> >I went through this exercise last year, and ended up with a 525 VA
> > Belkin. I would have preferred an APC, as they work right out of
> > the box with Linux, but the Belkin did a better job of matching
> > up with some hardware constraints that I had. IIRC, it cost about
> > $135. It has sufficient reserve to keep my system up for
> > something like ten minutes -- adequate to do finish up whatever
> > I'm doing and shut down.
> >
> >A couple of things to look for: Either USB or serial feedback --
> > this will allow you to monitor the state of the batteries (hence
> > the need for Linux support), separate ports for such
> > non-essential devices as speakers and printers (these will have
> > surge protection, but not power backup), and, if you have a
> > modem, a protected telephone line.
> >
> >I went to the liebert site (http://www.liebert-hiross.com/), and
> > found some appropriate units clicking down through UPS ==>
> > workstations. What I didn't find on their site was any help on
> > sizing and selection. APC has some very good information at their
> > site, although they may try to sell you more capacity than you
> > may need.
> >
> >-- cmg
>
> Forgive my utter ignorance here.
>
> An UPS, 
> does it sit between the ring main and each
> individual computer.

Yes

> If the latter then in the case of a situation
> as I have , namely 4 computer within the one building, then I would
> have to constuct a new power supply setup so that each computer is
> powered off the same circuit whereever they are situated.Not an
> easy task for me. 

You can get a network UPS, but it will cost you an arm and a leg.  I 
decided that most of the computers here are only on when being used, 
so don't need auto-clean-shutdown.  This is the 24/7 box, and I 
decided to get auto-shutdown for this one.

> So an UPS, it's basically what, a big battery
> that supplies mains voltage for a period while the system powers
> down of it's own accord, or until you power it down manually,
> because if the later, what happens if your not there to power it
> down yourself.

Inexpensive ones hold it for a time - generaly 10-20 minutes, allowing 
you to manually shutdown.  APC ones can run with apcd, which does the 
auto-shutdown.

> Also, while an UPS keeps things going for a while, does an UPS
> prevent damage during a  power surge on start up ?
>
Yes

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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 4:33 am, KS wrote:

> I, personnally am sick of people that think thay have the right rto
> decide what is a good question and what is not. 

There are enough people who don't fit into that category.  Just ignore 
those that do, and get on with life.  Let's drop this, for sure Joe 
will keep it going as long as anyone responds.

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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 3:59 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
>
> But, it's Christmas time, and Lanman is back.  That means it's a
> great day!  I can't think of a better list Christmas present.  Or a
> funnier one. ;)
>
Hi, Lanman.  I was glad to see you back too - and by the way there are 
quite a few Canucks around, I believe.

If you say the reply-to is a necessary though hopefully temporary 
evil, then we have to live with it.

Anne
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Re: [newbie] updatedb

2003-12-07 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 01:45, Lee Wiggers wrote:
> How do I include specific network shares when I update the locate
> db?  I thought they were automagically included if mounted when I
> updatedb.
> 
> Lee
> 

Take a look at /etc/updatedb.conf.

LX

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Re: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

2003-12-07 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 01:10, Lanman wrote:
> One thing that might be interesting is a larger variety of single
> CD versions of Mandrake built for
> specific type of installations. For example, a single CD of
> Mandrake Server with no more than
> two desktop environments, and the most popular services on it - ie;
> FTP, Apache, Postfix, Bind,
> Samba, Webmin, etc.
> 
> Does anyone remember SNF ? It had a great installer. Start the
> installer, run through the partitions,
> set your password for root and admin, and walk away. 15 minutes
> later it was ready to customize.
> No desktop, just an ANSI interface, and a highly specialized
> version of Webmin or something very similar.
> 
> It was fast, easy to install and function specific. Something like
> that as a server version would be sweet!
> 
> I wonder if we could build something like that without pissing off
> Mandrake? We could build it, test it,
> and hand it off to Mandrake to polish it up a bit. Call it Mandrake
> Simple Server or Mandrake SOHO
> server.
> 
> Just add PC and serve ! Hmmm! This world domination thing is
> looking better and better.
> 
> Lanman
> 
> *** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***

That's a good idea, LM.  I actually downloaded MNF four weeks ago and
tried it out; then I discovered that there was a secure kernel available
for LM92, and so I ended up using that instead.  9.2 is a little slow on
a 200 mhz Socket 7 machine, but amazingly more spritely than trying to
run XP on that same box. ;)  Not that I give a crap about XP, you
understand.

I found that after I installed LM92, and the secure kernel was put in
place, it wouldn't run, because of some "CPU-0 ACPI error" or something
similar.  It would put the machine into a loop where the only
alternative was to cut the power.  Right now I'm running the default
kernel instead; don't have any other choice.

I tried the "noacpi" switch on the secure 9.2 kernel to no avail.  No
matter what is done in lilo.conf, the machine still goes into an eternal
loop whenever the secure kernel is booted.

So, bottom line, YES I think a user filtered server version would be a
nice idea.  I personally loved the idea that just by switching to a
secure kernel that would give the almost same approach (technically
speaking) as the MNF distro install, while at the same time allowing me
to run the latest stuff on the firewall.  Which can be handy.  That
would be nice if we did that.

Too bad the secure kernel thing isn't working right now.  I've got to
email Vincent on thator maybe somebody here has some ideas
perchance.  What say *you*, Lanman?  ;)

LX

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