Re: [newbie] Games Mandrake

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 16:54, Mandrake User wrote:
> I tried games on Mandrake 9.2 as well and they were
> terribly slow. Currently, I am running Mandrake 10.0
> Community but without games installed. Maybe you
> should try Mandrake 10.0? It is a big improvement to
> 9.2, in my opinion.

System tuning - performance tuning, proper video driver and video card
tuning, hard drive tuning - this - THIS can make for a much better
gaming experience...

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Re: [newbie] Games Mandrake

[Erylon Hines]

On Friday 19 March 2004 09:50 pm, achmad fauzi wrote:
> hello, I has install Linux Mandrake 9.2 with games package. But went I
> execute my games (exp : in category sport) that's run too slowly. My
> VGAcard is Nvidia GeForce 4. Processor AMD 1700++, RAM 256. May you can
> tell me why it's happen. thank you.
>
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.

Did you install the Nvidia driver from the http://www.nvidia.com website?  If 
not you are using the "nv" driver supplied with Mandrake so you aren't 
running accelerated hardware.  The Nvidia driver is proprietary, and Mandrake 
only ships open source software (unlike SuSe).


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Re: [newbie] Games Mandrake

[frankieh]

achmad fauzi wrote:

hello, I has install Linux Mandrake 9.2 with games package. But went 
I execute my games (exp : in category sport) that's run too slowly. My 
VGAcard is Nvidia GeForce 4. Processor AMD 1700++, RAM 256. May you can 
tell me why it's happen. thank you.

Do you Yahoo!?
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online. File on time.

Have you installed the proper 3D nvidia driver?  if you don't your never 
gonna get good speed from any 3D games.
go to nvidia.com and look for the linux installer, follow the 
instructions.. its easy and makes a huge difference.

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Re: [newbie] Games Mandrake

[Mandrake User]

I tried games on Mandrake 9.2 as well and they were
terribly slow. Currently, I am running Mandrake 10.0
Community but without games installed. Maybe you
should try Mandrake 10.0? It is a big improvement to
9.2, in my opinion.
--- achmad fauzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hello, I has install Linux Mandrake 9.2 with games
> package. But went I execute my games (exp : in
> category sport) that's run too slowly. My VGAcard is
> Nvidia GeForce 4. Processor AMD 1700++, RAM 256. May
> you can tell me why it's happen. thank you.
> 
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on
time.


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[newbie] Games Mandrake

[achmad fauzi]

hello, I has install Linux Mandrake 9.2 with games package. But went I execute my games (exp : in category sport) that's run too slowly. My VGAcard is Nvidia GeForce 4. Processor AMD 1700++, RAM 256. May you can tell me why it's happen. thank you.Do you Yahoo!?
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[newbie] Audigy 2 ZS Sound Problem fixed and here is what I did

[Mandrake User]

I recently did a clean installation of Mandrake 10.0
Community. The installation process lived up to
Mandrake's fame as a user-friendly distro. Only
problem I had was the Audigy 2 ZS sound card could not
work. 

If you have the same problem, you might be interested
to know that the optical raw needs to be turned off
(which is on by default) in order for Audigy 2 to play
sound. I used Alsa mixer to turn it off. Not sure
about other mixers but I recommend using Alsa.

In addition, Linuxquestions.org is a very nice website
for newbies to ask questions as most are very willing
to offer suggestions there.

Thank you all who tried to help in one way or another.
Cheers!


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[newbie] My public key

[Fajar Priyanto]

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Dear all,
Here is my public key: 
https://www.arinet.org/fajar-pub.key
Thanks to Tim for reminding me.
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12:36:22 up 56 min, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 
public key: https://www.arinet.org/fajar-pub.key
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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

[frankieh]

Erylon Hines wrote:
 > To make matters worse, the OEM's don't include a "real" OS disk with 
their
machines.  The crippled crap disk included is a "recovery" disk which formats 
the HD and returns the machine to the "factory" mode.  Truly useless, but the 
end users pay anyway.

e.
Not always,

I can pick up M$ WinXP OEM at my wholesaler, comes with the normal book, 
license, and the CD which has XP, service pack 1, and most of the 
updates all slipsteamed onto the CD...

Its been ages since I had a need to sell one.. but its certainly possible.

The thing is, when you buy a PC, or help someone else buy one, if 
you/they really want XP, make sure that you find a reseller that offers 
the Full CD with the machine..

All the big names like Dell, IBM, Toshiba, HP etc seem to offer the damn 
recovery CD's.. because in their minds it cuts down on support issues as 
they have all the drivers and such on them..

problem is that by the time you get the CD, the drivers are all out of 
date anyway.

Its the little guys that you will get the proper CD from, the big guys 
will do anything to not have to talk to you support wise.
(and most often when you call them you get some guy in India how only 
has the vaguest idea who he's working for and what language he needs to 
be speaking.)

ok, yes,  maybe I am a touch cynical about the big guys. :-)

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Re: [newbie] 9.2->10 upgrade advice

[Hoyt Bailey]

Chuck Mattsen wrote:

On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 17:42, Tom Brinkman wrote:
- snip ->8
 

/mild but accurate rant
  The problem was and isn't the cooker developement process. The 
problem was _users_ who wouldn't install the upcomming release 
until cooker reached at least the RC stage. BUT, by then it was 
far far too late.  This new release cycle (still every six 
months) might help, but I now see people now sayin, "I'm gonna 
wait for the 'official', 10.0-CE is nothin but RC2".  If I were 
them with that attitude I'd keep it to myself. What they're 
really sayin (to me anyhow) is "I'll let some others test drive 
the new release for me.  I'm not willin to take part in the 
community developed distro I use".  

  Anybody can test, and newbie confusion/user problems with the 
distro equates to a bug that needs correction. Plus the 
additional hardware base they contribute, as they're the most 
likely to buy/have hardware with little to no regard for/ 
knowledge of Linux compatibility.  EG, the current 'CD1 won't 
boot' problem for some users.  With 9.2, the LG cdrom deal. 
end mba rant/
   

I, for one, appreciate your rant.  

As a newbie, both to Mandrake and to Linux in general, I've been a bit
confused about the varying attitudes toward cooker, the RCs and now the
Community download.  On the one hand, when a question is asked
concerning a problem a user is having, I often hear, "Well, a newbie has
no business running cooker," or, "What did you expect with an RC?",
etc.  I can see why some would shy away from anything but a full,
official release.
It's good to hear that some appreciate users' willingness to experiment
with the latest releases, whether newbies or more-seasoned users.
Of course, if the problem is brought to the list in the form of a
raving, angry complaint, then the "what did you expect?" response is
probably justified.  :-)
 

Gentlemen;
You are both right and wrong.  There are all kinds of people on this 
list as well as elsewhere.  A percentage will download the RC1 and 
others will not.  I did but I'm too much of a newbie to get 9.2 to where 
I can use it so I know I have little chance of fixing problems that 
really exist.  Dont be down on Mandrake because its the best OS I found 
and I'v tried a lot of them.  I'm here because this dist is the best of 
what's out there now.

Regards;
Hoyt

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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

[Erylon Hines]

On Friday 19 March 2004 05:42 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote:

>
> Anne:
> The OEM price that you are quoting is the price for the OEM version, but
> that is far more than the Dell's and HP's are paying. Back during the days
> of the MS trial and subsequent settlement, it came out that major OEM's
> were paying something on the order of $35 per system for the OS. So if they
> sold a whole bunch at $35, and a lot less at $200, the total_income would
> be (whole_bunch x $35) + (lot_less x $200) for (whole_bunch + lot_less)
> systems. If whole_bunch = 10 x lot_less, then the average price would be
> $50, thereby getting m'learned colleague off of the hook. ("m'learned
> colleague" seems to be the British equivalent to the American "lying
> lawyer". Yeah, I know -- it's an oxymoron.)
> -- cmg

To make matters worse, the OEM's don't include a "real" OS disk with their 
machines.  The crippled crap disk included is a "recovery" disk which formats 
the HD and returns the machine to the "factory" mode.  Truly useless, but the 
end users pay anyway.

e.


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Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community

[Erylon Hines]

On Friday 19 March 2004 04:02 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> On Friday 19 March 2004 03:26 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > On Friday 19 March 2004 19:36, Charlie Mahan wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > > I've kicked this dead horse long enough. I'm dropping it.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Just to let you know, Charlie : You have been a tremendous help
> > here on the list, and I would be very sorry indeed if you
> > decide to leave.
> >
> > Kaj Haulrich.
>
>I was just about to post the same sentiment Kaj. Charlie, if
> you need to, just take a break for a while. I do so all the
> time ;)

Charlie, what can I say--I always read your posts, even when I'm not 
interested in the topic.  BTW, to dredge up an old topic (or hijack this one, 
as the case may be), I can't get Flash6 to run on 9.2 either, but Flash5 
works fine.  Someone else had this problem, and I think you said you didn't 
have it.  The Flash6 rpm installs with no errors and the 2 Flash6 files are 
in the proper directory, but it won't work with Moz.  Copy the 2 Flash5 files 
to the plugins dir. and Moz sees it instantly.  Strange.

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RE: [newbie] Wierd supermounts

[Kasper Thunoe]

 

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> Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Fajar Priyanto
> Sendt: 19. marts 2004 14:38
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> 
> On Friday 19 March 2004 01:17 am, Kasper Thunoe wrote:
> 
> > Its the two lines I have indicated with >>. I have erased these two 
> > lines twice now but they keep returning. So how the heck do 
> i get rid 
> > of this as they serve no purpose.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > /Kasper
> Hi Kasper, are you sure? If so, then I think you must remove 
> it from /etc/mtab also. But, I'm not sure, it's only my 
> guessing, so you'd better wait and check it with others. 
> HTH, Fajar.

Yes I'm very sure. And I removed the lines from mtab also with same result.
Some part of my system insists of adding those lines on each reboot. I
disabled harddrake to make sure it wasnt that. So I'm still clueless to this
problem.
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Re: [newbie] somewhat OT Yahoo games

[Chris]

On Friday 19 March 2004 08:43 am, Job Evers wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:59:36 -0600
>
> Marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  Has anyone been able to get yahoo online games to work with any linux
> >  browser
> > and if so witch browser and java path.
>
> Just tried to play a game of checkers with firefox and it worked fine.  I
> installed the jsdk1.4 from Sun two days ago, so my java plugin was here:
>
> j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so
>
> and I put a link to it in here:
> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox-0.8/plugins
>
> HTH

Works fine with 9.0, java plugin is 1.3.1_04-b02, but I think this is kind 
of funny:

 Note: Alchemy is not compatible with Unix or Macintosh computers.

Unless there is a downloadable version, I didn't check.

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Re: [newbie] Sudden power off, now Linux won't boot

[Dennis Myers]

On Friday 19 March 2004 02:43 pm, Marc Resnick wrote:
> I was about 20 feet from my computer, which was locked, when it finally
> stopped making noise, which never happens. I went and tried to unlock it,
> then I noticed it was off. So I figured this might've been an automatic
> shutdown I forgot to change after my last install. I tried to boot again,
> and it said it was resuming from hda6. Then, it freezes, and restarts. I
> tried with failsafe, and it gave me some swap partition error. So now I'm
> in windows. I opened PM, and went to see if there might be any errors. Then
> I saw that it was labeled a Linux Swap partition, but the color was yellow
> for 'other' and the Partition was called S2SUSPH. Is this normal?
>
> A bit later I noticed that I was way low on batteries. I think I might've
> knocked the plug out along the way. Anyway I plugged it back in, let it
> charge for a bit, and it still didn't work. But, this might be the reason
> for it suddenly shutting down.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> --Marc
Marc, try your CD1 in boot up and hit F1 and type rescue and enter then select 
reinstall boot loader. If that fails try the CD1 and at the first screen 
select "install" and then when it asks click on Upgrade. Select no packages 
and it will run through the process quickly and at the end it will or should 
set up your boot loader which you can check at the last screen. Any missing 
files will be installed then too. 
If either of the above don't work, then I am stumped. HTH
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Re: [newbie] Idiot's Guide to DVD burning?

[Glenn]

On Tuesday 16 March 2004 05:25, Bryan Phinney wrote:

>
> Well, just for the record, I think that K3B uses dvd+rw tools for writing
> rather than cdrecord.  XCDRoast uses cdrecord, IIRC.  Could have something
> to do with that.  You did mention from your command line that you were
> using growisofs and I am pretty sure that is part of the dvd+rw tools, not
> cdrecord.  DVD-RW can be written with dvd+rw tools or with a patched
> version of cdrecord.  I don't have any DVD-RW media, all of mine is +RW
> media.

Hi Bryan;
 Just to close on this subject.  I'm now able to burn/read/view all DVDs, 
to include +RW and -RW, without making any changes.  The only thing I can 
think is F.M., and possibly something in one of the cooker updates put things 
to rights.  Thanks for the assistance you provided nevertheless.

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[newbie] upgrading from 9.2 to Cooker without cd's

[John Drouhard]

I have another question about upgrading to 10.0 so I thought I'd start a
new thread. I have a local mirror of cooker. I would like to install it
so I could have 10 + all bugfixes so far. However, I finally have my
system set up perfectly, without any problems that I can see. I run my
own 2.6 kernel, and a whole bunch of other stuff. That's why I was
hoping to just do an upgrade - maybe catch the new versions of the
programs.

But on the other hand, I kind of need to start over with my "spring
cleaning". My /usr partition is 7.6 GB full. I am lost as to whether try
to upgrade, or to start over. If I do decide to upgrade, can't I just do
it with the following commands:

urpmi urpmi
urpmi --auto-select

I don't want old configuration files from old packages lingering around
though. I want the new and improved menu structure, etc. Thanks for any
input - its appreciated.

John

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Re: [newbie] 9.2->10 upgrade advice

[Marc Resnick]

Tom Brinkman wrote:

On Friday 19 March 2004 06:02 pm, Chuck Mattsen wrote:
 

On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 17:42, Tom Brinkman wrote:
- snip ->8
   

/mild but accurate rant
  The problem was and isn't the cooker developement process.
The problem was _users_ who wouldn't install the upcomming
release until cooker reached at least the RC stage. BUT, by
then it was far far too late.  This new release cycle (still
every six months) might help, but I now see people now sayin,
"I'm gonna wait for the 'official', 10.0-CE is nothin but
RC2".  If I were them with that attitude I'd keep it to
myself. What they're really sayin (to me anyhow) is "I'll let
some others test drive the new release for me.  I'm not
willin to take part in the community developed distro I use".
  Anybody can test, and newbie confusion/user problems with
the distro equates to a bug that needs correction. Plus the
additional hardware base they contribute, as they're the most
likely to buy/have hardware with little to no regard for/
knowledge of Linux compatibility.  EG, the current 'CD1 won't
boot' problem for some users.  With 9.2, the LG cdrom deal.
end mba rant/
 

I, for one, appreciate your rant.

As a newbie, both to Mandrake and to Linux in general, I've
been a bit confused about the varying attitudes toward cooker,
the RCs and now the Community download.  On the one hand, when
a question is asked concerning a problem a user is having, I
often hear, "Well, a newbie has no business running cooker,"
or, "What did you expect with an RC?", etc.  I can see why some
would shy away from anything but a full, official release.
   

   So can I.  I believe you understand my comments were aimed at 
those who dissuade others from testing, and/or those that 
complain about issuses after the fact when they weren't willin to 
help out an test.

 

It's good to hear that some appreciate users' willingness to
experiment with the latest releases, whether newbies or
more-seasoned users.
Of course, if the problem is brought to the list in the form of
a raving, angry complaint, then the "what did you expect?"
response is probably justified.  :-)
   

 Unfortunately,  some cooker'rs and developers often display 
the sentiment 'well maybe you're not up to runnin cooker'. Some 
only do so when they're frustrated, or as you point out, abused.

 Fortunately the prevaling attitude is that newbie input is 
vital for a community based distro, and they'll bend over 
backwards to try an get usable information about problems and 
preferences from newbies. They also understand this process can 
be intimidating to the newbie, and frustrating for them. I'll use 
Civileme as an example. Even tho he's no longer around, many on 
this list still remember him.

Newbies only have to be willing to get their feet wet... an 
sometimes accept that they don't have the best hardware for Linux 
use.
 

 

I'll agree with everything you just said, Tom. I'm 13 years old, and 
started using Linux because I was bored, and wanted to learn some new 
stuff. Now, I don't use Windows at all. I started on 9.2 a few months 
ago, right away upgraded to 10rc1, and now I'm using the CE. It just 
takes common sense really. For instance, I just had a problem with 
resuming from my swap partition. I'm not sure why it was trying to 
resume, but it was. I took a wild guess, and typed 'linux noresume'. 
Then after seeing an error I realized my swap partition was probably 
hosed. I used diskdrake to format it and remount it.

Common sense...that's something Americans could really use these days...

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Re: [newbie] 9.2->10 upgrade advice

[Tom Brinkman]

On Friday 19 March 2004 06:02 pm, Chuck Mattsen wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 17:42, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> - snip ->8
>
> >  /mild but accurate rant
> >The problem was and isn't the cooker developement process.
> > The problem was _users_ who wouldn't install the upcomming
> > release until cooker reached at least the RC stage. BUT, by
> > then it was far far too late.  This new release cycle (still
> > every six months) might help, but I now see people now sayin,
> > "I'm gonna wait for the 'official', 10.0-CE is nothin but
> > RC2".  If I were them with that attitude I'd keep it to
> > myself. What they're really sayin (to me anyhow) is "I'll let
> > some others test drive the new release for me.  I'm not
> > willin to take part in the community developed distro I use".
> >
> >Anybody can test, and newbie confusion/user problems with
> > the distro equates to a bug that needs correction. Plus the
> > additional hardware base they contribute, as they're the most
> > likely to buy/have hardware with little to no regard for/
> > knowledge of Linux compatibility.  EG, the current 'CD1 won't
> > boot' problem for some users.  With 9.2, the LG cdrom deal.
> > end mba rant/
>
> I, for one, appreciate your rant.
>
> As a newbie, both to Mandrake and to Linux in general, I've
> been a bit confused about the varying attitudes toward cooker,
> the RCs and now the Community download.  On the one hand, when
> a question is asked concerning a problem a user is having, I
> often hear, "Well, a newbie has no business running cooker,"
> or, "What did you expect with an RC?", etc.  I can see why some
> would shy away from anything but a full, official release.

So can I.  I believe you understand my comments were aimed at 
those who dissuade others from testing, and/or those that 
complain about issuses after the fact when they weren't willin to 
help out an test.

> It's good to hear that some appreciate users' willingness to
> experiment with the latest releases, whether newbies or
> more-seasoned users.
>
> Of course, if the problem is brought to the list in the form of
> a raving, angry complaint, then the "what did you expect?"
> response is probably justified.  :-)

  Unfortunately,  some cooker'rs and developers often display 
the sentiment 'well maybe you're not up to runnin cooker'. Some 
only do so when they're frustrated, or as you point out, abused.

  Fortunately the prevaling attitude is that newbie input is 
vital for a community based distro, and they'll bend over 
backwards to try an get usable information about problems and 
preferences from newbies. They also understand this process can 
be intimidating to the newbie, and frustrating for them. I'll use 
Civileme as an example. Even tho he's no longer around, many on 
this list still remember him.

 Newbies only have to be willing to get their feet wet... an 
sometimes accept that they don't have the best hardware for Linux 
use.
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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Friday 19 March 2004 10:21 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Friday 19 March 2004 15:07, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> > Anne:
> > The $50 figure was probably based on a weighted average of retail
> > and OEM sales. After all, most new PC's come with Windows preloaded
> > in them. -- cmg
>
> You mean they pretend that those are free?  The figure I gave (around
> £92) was the oem price, only available with a new mobo or hdd.
> You're not telling me that M$ give them away to new systems.
>
> Anne

Anne:
The OEM price that you are quoting is the price for the OEM version, but that 
is far more than the Dell's and HP's are paying. Back during the days of the 
MS trial and subsequent settlement, it came out that major OEM's were paying 
something on the order of $35 per system for the OS. So if they sold a whole 
bunch at $35, and a lot less at $200, the total_income would be (whole_bunch 
x $35) + (lot_less x $200) for (whole_bunch + lot_less) systems. If 
whole_bunch = 10 x lot_less, then the average price would be $50, thereby 
getting m'learned colleague off of the hook. ("m'learned colleague" seems to 
be the British equivalent to the American "lying lawyer". Yeah, I know -- 
it's an oxymoron.)
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[newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot

[ltcddata]

hi
i downloaded mdk10.0 community and put them onto cds.
for some reason disk one wont boot from cd to allow me to install on
this machine... but does on my other one??
just at the point where it says boot from cd .. the cd then spins up but
fails to load then it goes to lilo.
i have tried to burn it slower and change my optical devices etc but
nothing works.. could this be a bug in the iso of cd1?

LtCdData


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[newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot

[ltcddata]

hi
i downloaded mdk10.0 community and put them onto cds.
for some reason disk one wont boot from cd to allow me to install on
this machine... but does on my other one??
just at the point where it says boot from cd .. the cd then spins up but
fails to load then it goes to lilo.
i have tried to burn it slower and change my optical devices etc but
nothing works.. could this be a bug in the iso of cd1?

LtCdData


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RE: [newbie] Kernel source for 10.0 Community?

[Mark G. Spencer]

Actually .. Maybe I was wrong.  I used RPMDrake and searched for "kernel" ..
I installed what looked like the correct kernel source from CD 3.  I just
compiled the latest Orinoco wireless driver and am rebooting to see if it
worked.

Mark 

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Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 4:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Kernel source for 10.0 Community?

On Friday 19 March 2004 17:00, Mark G. Spencer wrote:

>
> How do I install the kernel source for 10.0 Community?  Has Mandrake 
> left the kernel source off the ISO's again?
>
> Thanks for the advice,
>
> Mark

I found the source for 2.6.3-4 on one at one of the cooker mirrors.  You're
correct, it doesn't seem to be on any of 10.0CE disks.

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Re: [newbie] Kernel source for 10.0 Community?

[Glenn]

On Friday 19 March 2004 17:00, Mark G. Spencer wrote:

>
> How do I install the kernel source for 10.0 Community?  Has Mandrake left
> the kernel source off the ISO's again?
>
> Thanks for the advice,
>
> Mark

I found the source for 2.6.3-4 on one at one of the cooker mirrors.  You're 
correct, it doesn't seem to be on any of 10.0CE disks.

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Re: [newbie] mdk10 community wont boot to install

[Greg Meyer]

On Friday 19 March 2004 06:18 pm, William Warren wrote:
> known issue with the 10.0..boot from 10.0 disc 2 then switch back is the
> "official" workaround

It looks like Warly figured out the problem too.  It should be fixed in 10.0 
official.
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Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community

[Tom Brinkman]

On Friday 19 March 2004 03:26 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> On Friday 19 March 2004 19:36, Charlie Mahan wrote:
>
> 
>
> > I've kicked this dead horse long enough. I'm dropping it.
>
> 
>
> Just to let you know, Charlie : You have been a tremendous help
> here on the list, and I would be very sorry indeed if you
> decide to leave.
>
> Kaj Haulrich.

   I was just about to post the same sentiment Kaj. Charlie, if 
you need to, just take a break for a while. I do so all the 
time ;)
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Re: [newbie] 9.2->10 upgrade advice

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 17:42, Tom Brinkman wrote:
- snip ->8
>  /mild but accurate rant
>The problem was and isn't the cooker developement process. The 
> problem was _users_ who wouldn't install the upcomming release 
> until cooker reached at least the RC stage. BUT, by then it was 
> far far too late.  This new release cycle (still every six 
> months) might help, but I now see people now sayin, "I'm gonna 
> wait for the 'official', 10.0-CE is nothin but RC2".  If I were 
> them with that attitude I'd keep it to myself. What they're 
> really sayin (to me anyhow) is "I'll let some others test drive 
> the new release for me.  I'm not willin to take part in the 
> community developed distro I use".  
> 
>Anybody can test, and newbie confusion/user problems with the 
> distro equates to a bug that needs correction. Plus the 
> additional hardware base they contribute, as they're the most 
> likely to buy/have hardware with little to no regard for/ 
> knowledge of Linux compatibility.  EG, the current 'CD1 won't 
> boot' problem for some users.  With 9.2, the LG cdrom deal. 
>  end mba rant/

I, for one, appreciate your rant.  

As a newbie, both to Mandrake and to Linux in general, I've been a bit
confused about the varying attitudes toward cooker, the RCs and now the
Community download.  On the one hand, when a question is asked
concerning a problem a user is having, I often hear, "Well, a newbie has
no business running cooker," or, "What did you expect with an RC?",
etc.  I can see why some would shy away from anything but a full,
official release.

It's good to hear that some appreciate users' willingness to experiment
with the latest releases, whether newbies or more-seasoned users.

Of course, if the problem is brought to the list in the form of a
raving, angry complaint, then the "what did you expect?" response is
probably justified.  :-)

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Re: [newbie] Idiot's Guide to DVD burning?

[Glenn]

On Tuesday 16 March 2004 05:25, Bryan Phinney wrote:

>
> Well, just for the record, I think that K3B uses dvd+rw tools for writing
> rather than cdrecord.  XCDRoast uses cdrecord, IIRC.  Could have something
> to do with that.  You did mention from your command line that you were
> using growisofs and I am pretty sure that is part of the dvd+rw tools, not
> cdrecord.  DVD-RW can be written with dvd+rw tools or with a patched
> version of cdrecord.  I don't have any DVD-RW media, all of mine is +RW
> media.

Hi Bryan;
 Just to close on this subject.  I'm now able to burn/read/view all DVDs, 
to include +RW and -RW, without making any changes.  The only thing I can 
think is F.M., and possibly something in one of the cooker updates put things 
to rights.  Thanks for the assistance you provided nevertheless.

Glenn 


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[newbie] Kernel source for 10.0 Community?

[Mark G. Spencer]

I downloaded 10.0 Community to test on my Gateway 200ARC laptop and am now
downloading the AMD64 to test on my Shuttle SN85G4.

How do I install the kernel source for 10.0 Community?  Has Mandrake left
the kernel source off the ISO's again?

Thanks for the advice,

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[newbie] .mpv + .mpa to .bin + .cue

[JoeHill]

I used the mencvcd script to convert an animated movie that started out as a 700
MB DivX, but it ended up being over 1 GB when converted to .mpv and .mpa files.

I believe it is mplex that the script uses to convert those two files into a
.bin and .cue to be burned as an SVCD. What I would like to do is run mplex so
that I get 2 CD's, each about 500 MB.

I've looked at 'man mplex', but I'm not grokkin' it. In fact I'm not even
absolutely sure it's mplex I should be using on the .mpv and .mpa.

Any pointers appreciated. I should have set the CD size at the beginning, but
this is the first time I've run into an animated flick that ended up being so
huge when encoded :-\

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Re: [newbie] 9.2->10 upgrade advice

[Tom Brinkman]

On Friday 19 March 2004 01:59 pm, John Drouhard wrote:
> >     After you're up and runnin, I suggest you create cooker
> > sources and update to current cooker.  Many many bugfixes.
>
> One question about this: I know about the new development
> process for Mandrake, but was wondering if the cooker sources
> remain Mandrake 10 Community + bugfixes until Official is
> released. Is that the case, or does cooker go on to do its
> normal thing once Community is released, then a separate branch
> is created for the upcoming Official release. Sorry, just a
> little confused here.
>
> John

You got pretty close John.  Glad you asked.

 With past releases, cooker froze at the RC stage. No new 
packages or versions, only bugfixes. After the final release, 
cooker always has shut down for at least a week, more likely two.
Developement in the late stages is very tedious an long hours. The 
developers, contributors, an volunteers need a deserved break.

   This time around the process has been revised. cooker is 
frozen, but bugfixes continue after 10.0-CE release, hopefully 
with the aid of broader user experience. It also allows 
developers who don't have a problem in their area, to chip in an 
help those that do.  I expect cooker to shut down as in the past 
with the 10-OE release.  'stable' will become 10.0-OE, and 
'cooker' will continue after a break.  

 /mild but accurate rant
   The problem was and isn't the cooker developement process. The 
problem was _users_ who wouldn't install the upcomming release 
until cooker reached at least the RC stage. BUT, by then it was 
far far too late.  This new release cycle (still every six 
months) might help, but I now see people now sayin, "I'm gonna 
wait for the 'official', 10.0-CE is nothin but RC2".  If I were 
them with that attitude I'd keep it to myself. What they're 
really sayin (to me anyhow) is "I'll let some others test drive 
the new release for me.  I'm not willin to take part in the 
community developed distro I use".  

   Anybody can test, and newbie confusion/user problems with the 
distro equates to a bug that needs correction. Plus the 
additional hardware base they contribute, as they're the most 
likely to buy/have hardware with little to no regard for/ 
knowledge of Linux compatibility.  EG, the current 'CD1 won't 
boot' problem for some users.  With 9.2, the LG cdrom deal. 
 end mba rant/
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Re: [newbie] mdk10 community wont boot to install

[William Warren]

known issue with the 10.0..boot from 10.0 disc 2 then switch back is the 
"official" workaround

LtCdData wrote:

hi
the cd1 of mdk 10.0 community fails to boot up to the installer on one of my
computers but does on the other ok
however if i put in a 9.2 cd the intaller boots ok from that ok but fails on
the 10.0 disk
i have redone the cd1 at a slower speed and changed the cd drives around
trying to fix it but still to no avail
does anyone know if there is an issue with the mdk10.0 on this??
LtCdData


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Re: [newbie] Installation Problem

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 10:05, et wrote:
> On Friday 19 March 2004 10:12 am, Steve Turner wrote:
> > I got the following error while trying to install the 64 bit version:
> >
> > FATAL ERROR IN STAGE1 I/O Error
> >
> > It says it can't recover and I should reboot?
> >
> > Any help would be great.
> 
> I agree about  hitting  'f1', if you get that far,  but if  not, I would 
> consider trying to reburn the cd.  

Just on a side note - this happened a few months back when I was trying
to install MDK on a client's machine - turned out the CDROM was overtly
dirty and dusty. After a THOROUGH cleaning of the CDROM drive, the
installation went without a flaw. That's one thing I always check now
right off the bat as I'm sick and tired of having problems with software
on CD's and the customers don't take the time nor the effort to clean
them. Always nice to have an air compressor handy (grin) - as I do.

stephen kuhn - owner
==
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Re: [newbie] mdk10 community wont boot to install

[Marc Resnick]

- Original Message -
From: "LtCdData" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:59 PM
Subject: [newbie] mdk10 community wont boot to install


> hi
> the cd1 of mdk 10.0 community fails to boot up to the installer on one of
my
> computers but does on the other ok
> however if i put in a 9.2 cd the intaller boots ok from that ok but fails
on
> the 10.0 disk
> i have redone the cd1 at a slower speed and changed the cd drives around
> trying to fix it but still to no avail
> does anyone know if there is an issue with the mdk10.0 on this??
>
> LtCdData
>
>
>

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[newbie] mdk10 community wont boot to install

[LtCdData]

hi
the cd1 of mdk 10.0 community fails to boot up to the installer on one of my
computers but does on the other ok
however if i put in a 9.2 cd the intaller boots ok from that ok but fails on
the 10.0 disk
i have redone the cd1 at a slower speed and changed the cd drives around
trying to fix it but still to no avail
does anyone know if there is an issue with the mdk10.0 on this??

LtCdData


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Re: [newbie] Installation Problem

[et]

On Friday 19 March 2004 10:12 am, Steve Turner wrote:
> I got the following error while trying to install the 64 bit version:
>
> FATAL ERROR IN STAGE1 I/O Error
>
> It says it can't recover and I should reboot?
>
> Any help would be great.

I agree about  hitting  'f1', if you get that far,  but if  not, I would 
consider trying to reburn the cd.  

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Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community

[John Richard Smith]

Kaj Haulrich wrote:

On Friday 19 March 2004 19:36, Charlie Mahan wrote:


 

I've kicked this dead horse long enough. I'm dropping it.
   



Just to let you know, Charlie : You have been a tremendous help here 
on the list, and I would be very sorry indeed if you decide to 
leave.

Kaj Haulrich.
 

 

I am sure we all echo that.
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[newbie] Accessing Secure Webpages

[taylord-angwyn]

System: DSE Terminator 1100
Opsys: Mandrake 9.2 (Powerpack, recently installed)

Problem: using Mozilla Firebird and Konqueror I cannot
access any "secure" sites, eg those sites whose address
begins https:// etc

The statistics panel from kppp shows very low levels of
activity which appears to be my hanshaking to the remote in
red but the remote is a solid blue line (no response??
maybe??)

I have fiddled with /etc/ppp/options to get it the same as
one other local Mandrake user.

I have added "domain clear.net.nz" to resolv.conf (both
copies).

I have checked and rechecked my settings in kppp and the
browsers but cannot find the reason for this strange
behaviour.

As a side note I can easily browse other pages, even with my
slow dial-up connection, without too many delays, I can
fetch, but not send email.

Something is missing?? but what??

Cheers

David
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Re: [newbie] 9.2->10 upgrade advice

[John Drouhard]

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:05:40 -0600
Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Friday 19 March 2004 07:46 am, brife wrote:
> > Hi all!
> >
> > When I go home tonight I'm planning on upgrading my laptop from
> > 9.2 to 10.  I've never been through this process so any advice
> > would be appreciated.
> >
> > I have a relatively simple configuration: Linux is the only OS
> > on my laptop and I have a single HD partitioned into /, sv
> > (swap), and /home partitions. These partitions are 5, .5, and
> > 10 gig is size respectively. Unless its necessary I don't have
> > any desire to change the sizes. I've downloaded the 3 10.0 ISO
> > images and was planning on booting from the first CD to do the
> > upgrade.
> >
> > What I don't know is how an upgrade will affect my / and /home
> > partitions. For the most part I have apps installed on the /
> > partition and data installed on the /home partition.  I'd like
> > to keep some apps on the / partition if possible but if I can't
> > its no big deal.
> 
> 
>  First, put the CD's you burned in your burner, and run 
> somethin like 'md5sum /dev/scd0' or 'md5sum /mnt/cdrom2'
> You'll need to adjust /dev or /mnt to what your burner actually 
> is.  Check the md5sum against those in the md5sumasc file to 
> make sure your CD's are correct.  If the numbers don't match, you 
> may have made a set of unusable or problematic CD's.  If that's 
> the case, then ask here, an tell us how and what you used to burn 
> the CD's.  If they match, then...
> 
>  You can try an upgrade, but due to the large kernel an other 
> differences (KDE/Gnome), I believe only a fresh install will be 
> satisfactory in the end.  Might as well try an upgrade first tho.
> Before you start read
> http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/Mandrake10
> http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux10ReleaseNotes
> 
>If you then decide to do a fresh install, choose "use existing 
> partitions", but don't format /home. You will need to format /.  
> For the apps that are lost, there's probly newer, more 2.6 kernel 
> compatible apps available anyhow.  'Sides, I always consider a 
> fresh install to be "spring cleaning" ;)
> 
> On some hardware the 1st CD won't boot. This is known and very 
> close to being solved. If this happens, boot the 2nd CD and it'll 
> ask for the 1st one. You should be able to then go on.  The 
> install/upgrade will probly ask for a 4th CD at some point, just 
> cancel and ignore that request.
> 
> After you're up and runnin, I suggest you create cooker 
> sources and update to current cooker.  Many many bugfixes.

One question about this: I know about the new development process for
Mandrake, but was wondering if the cooker sources remain Mandrake 10
Community + bugfixes until Official is released. Is that the case, or
does cooker go on to do its normal thing once Community is released,
then a separate branch is created for the upcoming Official release.
Sorry, just a little confused here.

John


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Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal

[Troy Thomas Hall]

Tom Brinkman wrote:

On Thursday 18 March 2004 09:41 pm, Troy Thomas Hall wrote:
 

screen #0:
 dimensions:1280x1024 pixels (374x302 millimeters)
 resolution:87x86 dots per inch
 depths (7):24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32
 

I didn't try measuring in mm as I don't have a ruler that
measures that well.
   

   Neither do I. I measured in inches an then Googled for 
'distance converter'.  FWIW, for most video card/monitor 
combinations it's best to use 24 depth.  XFdrake is fairly smart, 
it'll probly default to 24x even if you choose 32x.
 



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I'll try that.  I probalby have it in 32.

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Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community

[Charlie Mahan]

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On March 19, 2004 10:45 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 19 March 2004 16:10, Charlie Mahan wrote:
> > It makes me feel and look stupid, and it doesn't do a Hell of a lot
> > for MandrakeSoft's reputation either.
>
> MandrakeSoft can't do right, whatever they do.  With recent versions
> they've been bad-mouthed for releasing distros with insufficient
> testing.  Not enough people can or want to run cooker, so this time
> they announced that the release would be around three months later,
> but available for download at the usual time for those who love to
> mess around with bleeding edge.
>
> The moral's simple - if you don't want to do that, wait for the full
> release.
>
> Anne

As with almost everyone that's responded directly to my complaints Anne you're 
assuming that I don't want to test. That's the opposite of the facts. I not 
only want to test on my own system, I want to do a test (at least) install on 
every system I assemble for someone else. Then if it's stable enough I'll 
usually set up an easy way for the owner(s) to keep it current and send an 
e-mail with instructions on how and when to change the sources from 
cooker/beta/release candidate whatever to the current "stable" repositories.

Or show up and do it for them myself.

The point of my continuing and soon to terminate diatribes has been that I 
found the "Won't boot from disk 1" problem at the first pre beta cooker 
snapshot and posted about it on cooker, then kept trying every new "release" 
and hoped for a clue as to why. Now someone is working on the bugalmost 8 
weeks later.

In simple language the point was this; I've been trying for _two freakin' 
months_ to install the release so that I *could* test it. It ain't working, 
there are no message displayed anywhere, it's almost as though the system 
hangs without locking anything but the CD-ROM and the display.

I can understand ignoring "bug reports" with no information. That isn't what I 
did since I couldn't _find any information_ because the disk wouldn't boot, 
and some versions would boot but wouldn't go past stage 1, graphically or in 
text mode. With or without flags.

The moral therefore is even simpler; people need to remember how much 
complaining about Mandrake I've done in the years I've been on these lists 
versus how much I've tried to help others. With that in mind it may be 
advisable to either;

1.) ignore me totally as happens on the rare occasion that I post on cooker, 
or;

2.) learn to read and try to understand what I actually did post and why.

There's no need to jump to Mandrake's defense here. The statement; in context, 
was that if the installer doesn't work at all, or if a working Windows 
install is terminated and destroyed due to installer action such problems 
make me *and MandrakeSoft* look stupid and does not help develop a reputation 
for Quality. Locally anyway.

I've kicked this dead horse long enough. I'm dropping it.

Warm regards;
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Re: [newbie] 10.0 online rpm repositories

[Tom Brinkman]

On Friday 19 March 2004 11:26 am, David Bachechi wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> Couple of questions.  Is urpmi the backend of Mandrake update,
> or a totally different thing?

 Yes, and rpm is what urpmi uses.  There won't be a 
security/bugfix repository until after 10-OE is released. For now 
it's cooker.

> If I use Mandrake update, does that pull from the same source
> as the cooker(specifically in mandrake 10CE)?  Or should I be
> using urpmi exclusively?

   I use urpmi on the CL. I don't know how to setup rpmdrake to do 
it with a GUI, but I believe you can do it.  Just point it to 
cooker mirrors.  Northern European are the best.

Most all this info has been posted on newbie and expert 
before, so check the archives.
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Re: [newbie] Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community

[frankieh]

 > I wasn't overly enamoured of 9.2 to be perfectly honest. While it 
was an
improvement over 9.1 in many ways there were things that I didn't find user 
friendly. Some of the repetitive problems/posts on this and other lists are 
evidence of that IMHO.
I have found that mandrake 9.2 makes a very effective and stable  web 
server:

02:31:41 up 133 days, 16 min,  3 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

The load averages are all 0.00, even though it hosts 14 domain names, 
most of which have dynamically generated perl or php on them.
(one of the sites is very popular).
Its also running MySQL and some other stuff.. and the server is only a 
XP 2000+  with 512mb ram.

I have been totally happy with advx apache and mdk9.2, I really hope 
mandrake never remove the "server" side of linux in their desire to 
create the perfect desktop..

I think that having advx show up in the web server stats is great 
puplicity for mandrake, which is one of the reasons I have been using it 
instead of compiling apache from scratch.

I am trialing mdk10 now, if it works as well as 9.2 for server stuff, I 
will be moving my mail main mail server over to it once the stable 
version of 10 comes out.

just my thoughts...



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Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community

[Anne Wilson]

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On Friday 19 March 2004 16:10, Charlie Mahan wrote:
>
> It makes me feel and look stupid, and it doesn't do a Hell of a lot
> for MandrakeSoft's reputation either.
>
MandrakeSoft can't do right, whatever they do.  With recent versions 
they've been bad-mouthed for releasing distros with insufficient 
testing.  Not enough people can or want to run cooker, so this time 
they announced that the release would be around three months later, 
but available for download at the usual time for those who love to 
mess around with bleeding edge.

The moral's simple - if you don't want to do that, wait for the full 
release.

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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

[Tom Brinkman]

On Friday 19 March 2004 08:17 am, Paul wrote:
> it's been said before, MS is happy to let windows get pirated,
> but come down heavy on office piracy.
>
> Paul M

I haven't used Windoze for quite some time, don't even have it 
installed.  BUT, back when I was disallusioned into runnin the 
latest, I downloaded the files an .cab's needed to install RC3, 
W98   . from microsoft.com   Complete files too, no hunting 
for missin ones.  Later M$ said it was a mistake, an anybody that 
d/l'd the files needed to delete them.  Yeah... right.  FWIW, RC3 
was better than the final. Less bloat for legacy hardware.

 I reckon M$ figured the warez newsgroups needed some updates ;)
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Re: [newbie] 10.0 online rpm repositories

[David Bachechi]

Thanks,

Couple of questions.  Is urpmi the backend of Mandrake update, or a 
totally different thing?

If I use Mandrake update, does that pull from the same source as the 
cooker(specifically in mandrake 10CE)?  Or should I be using urpmi 
exclusively?

Thanks agian!

Tom Brinkman wrote:

On Friday 19 March 2004 09:50 am, David Bachechi wrote:

No here is a NEWBIE question.what/where is the "cooker"?


As to what/where...

http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerdevel.php3has a mirror   
   list, but factor in 
http://manu.agat.net/mandrake/mirrors_state.html
See also
http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php(select 'cooker')

On the first link above, read the whole page, and particularly 
the cooker twiki links
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/Mandrake10
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux10ReleaseNotes



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Re: [newbie] 9.2->10 upgrade advice

[Tom Brinkman]

On Friday 19 March 2004 07:46 am, brife wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> When I go home tonight I'm planning on upgrading my laptop from
> 9.2 to 10.  I've never been through this process so any advice
> would be appreciated.
>
> I have a relatively simple configuration: Linux is the only OS
> on my laptop and I have a single HD partitioned into /, sv
> (swap), and /home partitions. These partitions are 5, .5, and
> 10 gig is size respectively. Unless its necessary I don't have
> any desire to change the sizes. I've downloaded the 3 10.0 ISO
> images and was planning on booting from the first CD to do the
> upgrade.
>
> What I don't know is how an upgrade will affect my / and /home
> partitions. For the most part I have apps installed on the /
> partition and data installed on the /home partition.  I'd like
> to keep some apps on the / partition if possible but if I can't
> its no big deal.


 First, put the CD's you burned in your burner, and run 
somethin like 'md5sum /dev/scd0' or 'md5sum /mnt/cdrom2'
You'll need to adjust /dev or /mnt to what your burner actually 
is.  Check the md5sum against those in the md5sumasc file to 
make sure your CD's are correct.  If the numbers don't match, you 
may have made a set of unusable or problematic CD's.  If that's 
the case, then ask here, an tell us how and what you used to burn 
the CD's.  If they match, then...

 You can try an upgrade, but due to the large kernel an other 
differences (KDE/Gnome), I believe only a fresh install will be 
satisfactory in the end.  Might as well try an upgrade first tho.
Before you start read
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/Mandrake10
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux10ReleaseNotes

   If you then decide to do a fresh install, choose "use existing 
partitions", but don't format /home. You will need to format /.  
For the apps that are lost, there's probly newer, more 2.6 kernel 
compatible apps available anyhow.  'Sides, I always consider a 
fresh install to be "spring cleaning" ;)

On some hardware the 1st CD won't boot. This is known and very 
close to being solved. If this happens, boot the 2nd CD and it'll 
ask for the 1st one. You should be able to then go on.  The 
install/upgrade will probly ask for a 4th CD at some point, just 
cancel and ignore that request.

After you're up and runnin, I suggest you create cooker 
sources and update to current cooker.  Many many bugfixes.
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Re: [newbie] Installation Problem

[Steve Turner]

Hardware is all new.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ayares, Mark 
  (Mark) 
  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
  
  Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:32 
AM
  Subject: RE: [newbie] Installation 
  Problem
  
  Depending on how old the hardware is, I have had success with older 
  machine installs by using "linux ide=nodma" during the 
  install.
   
  Mark
  
-Original Message-From: Marcin Michalak 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:25 
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
Re: [newbie] Installation Problem
I had the same error with a 32b version.  
Do you install from CD?  If so the cd you use might be bad.  I 
tried to do network install and it worked (well, I had a different error and 
I still haven't installed the os, but that's different story).  If 
installing from net is not good for you for some reason, try to burn the cd 
again.
 
 
Marcin
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Steve Turner 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:12 
  AM
  Subject: [newbie] Installation 
  Problem
  
  I got the following error while trying to 
  install the 64 bit version:
   
  FATAL ERROR IN STAGE1 I/O Error
   
  It says it can't recover and I should 
  reboot?
   
  Any help would be 
great.

Re: [newbie] 10.0 online rpm repositories

[Tom Brinkman]

On Friday 19 March 2004 09:50 am, David Bachechi wrote:
> No here is a NEWBIE question.what/where is the "cooker"?

As to what/where...

http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerdevel.php3has a mirror   
   list, but factor in 
http://manu.agat.net/mandrake/mirrors_state.html
See also
http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php(select 'cooker')

On the first link above, read the whole page, and particularly 
the cooker twiki links
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/Mandrake10
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux10ReleaseNotes
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[Fwd: Re: [newbie] 10.0 online rpm repositories]

[David Bachechi]

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Subject: Re: [newbie] 10.0 online rpm repositories
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:50:52 -0700
From: David Bachechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No here is a NEWBIE question.what/where is the "cooker"?

Sorry for the stupid question.

Thanks though!

Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Thursday 18 March 2004 02:11 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:

You can use Cooker, but the last install I did was from
Mandrake-devel/stable   folder. It worked great.
derek


Until 10.0 becomes Offical, 'stable' and 'cooker' are the same 
thing. Cooker is a direct link, stable is currently symlinked to 
it.  The fork won't occur til 10-OE is announced, and I believe 
that as in the past, cooker will be on hold for more than a week 
after 10-OE is released.

BTW, there's been some hints by Warly and TV that current 
cooker is very close to 10-Official at this time.  So it would be 
best, if everybody running 10-CE would update to current cooker 
now, as I suspect we're entering about a two week test period. 
It's doable even on a dialup.

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Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community

[Charlie Mahan]

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On March 18, 2004 02:32 pm, John Zoetebier wrote:

>
> Mandrake web site mentiones explicitly that people who want a rock solid
> release should wait for Mandrake Official,
> which is relase 2 - 3 months after Community edition.
> Mandrake Community Edition is for the explorers under us.
> I recently tried mandrake 9.2 for the first time since years on a Toshiba
> laptop.
> I am very impressed with the stability (zero defects) and the quality of
> the display under KDE (just is good as Windows 2000, more user friendly
> than Windows XP)
> Regards,

You're not really telling me anything I didn't know or that I cared about 
here. Thanks.

When I'm doing installs and upgrades for free the last thing I need is to have 
to return to the same address "2 or 3 Months later" to have to re-install or 
upgrade a system. Again for free. The first look excitement will be gone and 
the potential Open Source convert will be a Windows lock-in again until they 
decide a new system is in order. How many shots do I have to lead a person 
out of the darkness? Especially if that install won't work because it wasn't 
properly debugged in QA.

It makes me feel and look stupid, and it doesn't do a Hell of a lot for 
MandrakeSoft's reputation either.

As to why anyone should care; they shouldn't. At all. But remember that of the 
people that I've assembled systems for, and introduced to GNU/Linux by 
installing Mandrake, more than half have spent money to support the company. 
Whether box sets or memberships.

It's good to know that you're so happy, it would be even better if I hadn't 
posted such a gripe in the first place. 

I'm starting not to give a damn. I'm also thinking it's time for me to drop 
Mandrake mail list subscriptions again, permanently this time.

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Re: [newbie] This is why I love this OS...

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:39:13 -0800
David E. Fox disseminated the following:

> > Reason why it's best to run from a term: that way, when you want to
> > quit MLDonkey, you just close the GUI and then ctrl-c in the term to
> > stop the
> 
> Yeah, I finally figured that part out - mlnet. It isn't exactly clear,
> and it was hard to find where things got put after the urpmi. 

Hmmm, that shouldn't be. You should have an 'mldonkey' executable, which starts 
the daemon and looks for the GUI client. There might be something wrong with the
package if you do not have an mldonkey executable anywhere.

> I got a KDE edonkey client, fired up mlnet, fired up the GUI and had a
> go. It spends most of the time waiting for files - it's worse than
> bittorrent in that respect. Servers are very clogged.

I'm pretty patient, I just leave it running 7/24 and every day or so I've got
something new.

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Re: [newbie] 9.2->10 upgrade advice

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:46:38 -0500
brife disseminated the following:

> What I don't know is how an upgrade will affect my / and /home
> partitions. For the most part I have apps installed on the / partition
> and data installed on the /home partition.  I'd like to keep some apps
> on the / partition if possible but if I can't its no big deal. 

Basically you have two choices, upgrade or install. Either one will
automatically, if nothing's changed since 9.2, leave your /home partition
untouched unless you tell it to format. Back up everything critical anyway.

Upgrade will keep everything you already have installed on /, whereas an Install
will wipe it clean. The choice is yours.

I've heard both sides on whether to upgrade or install, some say upgrading can
lead to problems with conflicting configurations between new and existing apps.
Worst case scenario, you do an Upgrade, it's flaky, you start again and do a
clean install.

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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

[Klemens Arro]

On Friday 19 March 2004 14:47, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
> On Friday 19 March 2004 07:30 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:07:03 +0700
> >
> > Fajar Priyanto disseminated the following:
> > > So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because
> > > they know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using
> > > their product thus maintaining its popularity.
> >
> > Bingo.
>
> Yes Joe. Here in my place, it is not MS that promoting the use of legal
> software, but the open source community. What a paradox :)

Same here.

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Re: [newbie] 10.0 online rpm repositories

[David Bachechi]

No here is a NEWBIE question.what/where is the "cooker"?

Sorry for the stupid question.

Thanks though!

Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Thursday 18 March 2004 02:11 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:

You can use Cooker, but the last install I did was from
Mandrake-devel/stable   folder. It worked great.
derek


Until 10.0 becomes Offical, 'stable' and 'cooker' are the same 
thing. Cooker is a direct link, stable is currently symlinked to 
it.  The fork won't occur til 10-OE is announced, and I believe 
that as in the past, cooker will be on hold for more than a week 
after 10-OE is released.

BTW, there's been some hints by Warly and TV that current 
cooker is very close to 10-Official at this time.  So it would be 
best, if everybody running 10-CE would update to current cooker 
now, as I suspect we're entering about a two week test period. 
It's doable even on a dialup.

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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

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>
> Anne:
> The $50 figure was probably based on a weighted average of retail
> and OEM sales. After all, most new PC's come with Windows preloaded
> in them. -- cmg

You mean they pretend that those are free?  The figure I gave (around 
£92) was the oem price, only available with a new mobo or hdd.  
You're not telling me that M$ give them away to new systems.

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Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal

[Tom Brinkman]

On Thursday 18 March 2004 09:41 pm, Troy Thomas Hall wrote:
> > screen #0:
> >   dimensions:    1280x1024 pixels (374x302 millimeters)
> >   resolution:    87x86 dots per inch
> >   depths (7):    24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32
>
> I didn't try measuring in mm as I don't have a ruler that
> measures that well.

Neither do I. I measured in inches an then Googled for 
'distance converter'.  FWIW, for most video card/monitor 
combinations it's best to use 24 depth.  XFdrake is fairly smart, 
it'll probly default to 24x even if you choose 32x.
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RE: [newbie] Installation Problem

[Ayares, Mark (Mark)]

Depending on how old the hardware is, I have had success with older 
machine installs by using "linux ide=nodma" during the 
install.
 
Mark

  -Original Message-From: Marcin Michalak 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:25 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [newbie] 
  Installation Problem
  I had the same error with a 32b version.  Do 
  you install from CD?  If so the cd you use might be bad.  I tried to 
  do network install and it worked (well, I had a different error and I still 
  haven't installed the os, but that's different story).  If installing 
  from net is not good for you for some reason, try to burn the cd 
  again.
   
   
  Marcin
   
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Steve 
Turner 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:12 
AM
Subject: [newbie] Installation 
Problem

I got the following error while trying to 
install the 64 bit version:
 
FATAL ERROR IN STAGE1 I/O Error
 
It says it can't recover and I should 
reboot?
 
Any help would be 
great.

Re: [newbie] 10.0 online rpm repositories

[Tom Brinkman]

On Thursday 18 March 2004 02:11 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
> You can use Cooker, but the last install I did was from
> Mandrake-devel/stable   folder. It worked great.
>
> derek

Until 10.0 becomes Offical, 'stable' and 'cooker' are the same 
thing. Cooker is a direct link, stable is currently symlinked to 
it.  The fork won't occur til 10-OE is announced, and I believe 
that as in the past, cooker will be on hold for more than a week 
after 10-OE is released.

BTW, there's been some hints by Warly and TV that current 
cooker is very close to 10-Official at this time.  So it would be 
best, if everybody running 10-CE would update to current cooker 
now, as I suspect we're entering about a two week test period. 
It's doable even on a dialup.

Speak now or forever hold your complaints ;)
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Re: [newbie] Installation Problem

[Marcin Michalak]

I had the same error with a 32b version.  Do 
you install from CD?  If so the cd you use might be bad.  I tried to 
do network install and it worked (well, I had a different error and I still 
haven't installed the os, but that's different story).  If installing from 
net is not good for you for some reason, try to burn the cd again.
 
 
Marcin
 
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  From: 
  Steve 
  Turner 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:12 
AM
  Subject: [newbie] Installation 
  Problem
  
  I got the following error while trying to install 
  the 64 bit version:
   
  FATAL ERROR IN STAGE1 I/O Error
   
  It says it can't recover and I should 
  reboot?
   
  Any help would be 
great.

Re: [newbie] Problem mounting win2k partition...

[Anne Wilson]

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On Friday 19 March 2004 13:50, Tom wrote:
>
> Yes, I seemed to fix it. I added a /similar/ line to fstab 
> /dev/hda3 /mnt/windows ntfs defaults, uid= 501, gid=501
> But Now I notice that it gives a warning about this line duting
> startup What is wrong with it?  

For newbies it really is both easier and safer to do this sort of 
thing through Mandrake Control Center (Configure your computer) > 
Mount Points.  You can see just what you are setting there, and as 
long as you remember to exit gracefully you will be asked if you want 
the change written to fstab.  Say 'yes' and you're done.

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Re: [newbie] Power Off

[Fajar Priyanto]

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On Friday 19 March 2004 11:57 am, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
> On Friday 19 March 2004 10:48 am, Matthew Harrison wrote:
> > Ok, I recently took my laptop to 100% Linux for the OS, and I do run
> > Windows, but I run it the way it should be...with the ability to
> > minimize it when it gets in the way (via Win4Lin).  My problem is that
> > when I tell KDE to power off my computer, it gets through the shutdown
> > screen and the screen will go black, but the computer won't turn off.  I
> > have to hold the power button down to get it to completely shut off.  Is
> > there possibly a setting that could need tweaking?  Oh, I am running 9.2
> > btw.
> >
> > -Matt
>
> Hi Matt, this reminds me that I have the same problem. But, now I have ACPI
> enabled, but, haven't noticed the shutdown process. Hmm, damn.. why I
> didn't notice it? Well, I'll let you know when I shut down it later.
> Fajar.
Yep, it's confirmed. ACPI makes my notebook shutdown process complete. But, a 
little snag remains though (see my later post about ACPI).
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[newbie] Installation Problem

[Steve Turner]

I got the following error while trying to install 
the 64 bit version:
 
FATAL ERROR IN STAGE1 I/O Error
 
It says it can't recover and I should 
reboot?
 
Any help would be great.

Re: [newbie] installing openoffice quick launch...New message

[Derek Jennings]

On Friday 19 Mar 2004 14:50, rhein wrote:
> Alaa The Great wrote:
> >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> >
> >On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:14:41 +0200
> >
> >rhein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Hello,
> >>I tried to install openoffice quick launch...
> >>when I'm in console and running the configure script I get this error
> >>message.
> >>checking for gcc... no
> >>checking for cc...no
> >>checking for cc...no
> >>checking for cl...no
> >>configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
> >>
> >>What does it say in english??? :-)
> >
> >that you need to install the package gcc
> >
> >urpmi gcc
> >
> >should do the trick, but if you truely have no development packages
> >installed at all there will probably be more missing dependencies.
> >
> >hint, if ./configure asks for a library try
> >
> >urpmi library_name-devel
> >
> >cheers,
> >Alaa
> >- --
>
> Thanks for the tip but now I have this error message:
>
> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check
> your installation and add the correct paths!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] oooqs-2.0.3]#
>
> what is it?
> Not easy installing a small soft!
> Bye
> Christophe

No. That is why rpms are so nice.

Whenever a ./configure fails read the error messages carefully. They will 
usually mention a file name, or a package name. 
To find the missing package do

urpmf string
where string is the file name(or part of it) mentioned in the error message.
Then install the '-devel' version of the package which contains that file.

In this example it simply says it cannot find X Well obviously X is installed, 
so it must mean it needs 'XFree86-devel' 
Install that then try again.

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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Friday 19 March 2004 03:17 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
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> On Friday 19 March 2004 02:27, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> > Anne:
> > I just checked CompUSA prices (given as Full/Upgrade in USD):
> >
> > XP Pro: $299.99/$159.99*
> > XP Home: $199.99/$99.99
> > 2000 Pro: $319.99/$219.99
> > ME: $203.69/$115.13
> > MS Bob: Not shown
> > * after $40.00 rebate (isn't that curious?)
> >
> > Note: The above prices do not include such necessary software such
> > as a firewall, virus protection, office suite, compiler, etc...
> >
> > It seems as if m'learned colleague has perjured himself in his
> > opening statement.
> > -- cmg
>
> Perhaps he means if you buy 5m copies?  But even that can't be right,
> or governments would still be buying 
>
> Anne

Anne:
The $50 figure was probably based on a weighted average of retail and OEM 
sales. After all, most new PC's come with Windows preloaded in them.
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Re: [newbie] kmail

[Amichai Rotman]

On Thursday 18 March 2004 19:15, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> I'm confused again.  If I do a 'locate kmail' I find it and the
> documentation but konqueror going to the spot where locate says it is
> cant find anything. kpackage also cant find kmail, and 'browse
> avaliable' software cant find it with search.  Problem its there but
> nothing but locate can find it so I cant get rid of it and reinstall.
>  Help!
>
> Regards;
> Hoyt

KMail is part of the kdenetwork package. the binary is under /usr/bin 
and there are some files under the /usr/lib dirs too.

Which KDE version are you running?
 
.::.

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Re: [newbie] somewhat OT Yahoo games

[Marc]

On Friday 19 March 2004 08:43 am, Job Evers wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:59:36 -0600
>
> Marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  Has anyone been able to get yahoo online games to work with any linux
> >  browser
> > and if so witch browser and java path.
>
> Just tried to play a game of checkers with firefox and it worked fine.  I
> installed the jsdk1.4 from Sun two days ago, so my java plugin was here:
>
> j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so
>
> and I put a link to it in here:
> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox-0.8/plugins
>
> HTH

Thanks  I will give that a shot and see what happens.
I put ML 10.0 on a computer for a friend a few days ago and he seems to live 
to play yahoo games. I have been unable to get them to work in Opera, Moze or 
Konk

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Re: [newbie] installing openoffice quick launch...New message

[rhein]

Alaa The Great wrote:

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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:14:41 +0200
rhein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Hello,
I tried to install openoffice quick launch...
when I'm in console and running the configure script I get this error 
message.
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc...no
checking for cc...no
checking for cl...no
configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH

What does it say in english??? :-)
   

that you need to install the package gcc

urpmi gcc

should do the trick, but if you truely have no development packages
installed at all there will probably be more missing dependencies.
hint, if ./configure asks for a library try

urpmi library_name-devel

cheers,
Alaa
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checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check
your installation and add the correct paths!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] oooqs-2.0.3]#
what is it?
Not easy installing a small soft!
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Re: [newbie] somewhat OT Yahoo games

[Job Evers]

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:59:36 -0600
Marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Has anyone been able to get yahoo online games to work with any linux
>  browser 
> and if so witch browser and java path.
> 

Just tried to play a game of checkers with firefox and it worked fine.  I installed 
the jsdk1.4 from Sun two days ago, so my java plugin was here:

j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so

and I put a link to it in here:
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox-0.8/plugins

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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

[Paul]

On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 14:30, JoeHill wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:07:03 +0700
> Fajar Priyanto disseminated the following:
> 
> > So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know 
> > it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus 
> > maintaining its popularity.
> 
> Bingo.

it's been said before, MS is happy to let windows get pirated, but come
down heavy on office piracy.

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[newbie] somewhat OT Yahoo games

[Marc]

 Has anyone been able to get yahoo online games to work with any linux browser 
and if so witch browser and java path.

   TIA
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Re: [newbie] Problem mounting win2k partition...

[Tom]

Greg Meyer wrote:

  On Wednesday 17 March 2004 10:08 pm, Tom wrote:
  
  
I recently went through a little debacle with my boot sector...to make a
long story short , I ended up cleaning things up by installing 10 and
creating partitions.  I then re-installed win2k over top. Yes lilo was
gone, but ran the repair install and it was back.  But now, unlike with
last install of 9.2 I have no mount of windows partition since it wasn't
there during install to set for auto. I have added the line in fstab but
now diceDo I have torecompile to get it in there?
Thanks,,

  
  
No, just add a line to /etc/fstab for it and make sure the mount point exists.  
It should look something like this if you are using ntfs:

/dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c ntfs ro,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0

or like this if it is fat32:

/dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c vfat codepage=850,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0
  
  

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Yes, I seemed to fix it. I added a similar line to fstab 
/dev/hda3 /mnt/windows ntfs defaults, uid= 501, gid=501
But Now I notice that it gives a warning about this line duting startup
What is wrong with it?  I also have a question about permissions and
Mozilla/xmmms which I installed but cant seem to locate when I log in
as myself, well I can locate them but cant execute except as Root.  I
thought I have changed the permissions with a   chmod a+rwx   .
Thanks for all the help!

Re: [newbie] installing openoffice quick launch...New error message

[rhein]

Alaa The Great wrote:

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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:14:41 +0200
rhein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Hello,
I tried to install openoffice quick launch...
when I'm in console and running the configure script I get this error 
message.
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc...no
checking for cc...no
checking for cl...no
configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH

What does it say in english??? :-)
   

that you need to install the package gcc

urpmi gcc

should do the trick, but if you truely have no development packages
installed at all there will probably be more missing dependencies.
hint, if ./configure asks for a library try

urpmi library_name-devel

cheers,
Alaa
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Thanks for the tip but now I have this error message:

checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check 
your installation and add the correct paths!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] oooqs-2.0.3]#

what is it?
Not easy installing a small soft!
Bye
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[newbie] 9.2->10 upgrade advice

[brife]

Hi all!

When I go home tonight I'm planning on upgrading my laptop from 9.2 to
10.  I've never been through this process so any advice would be
appreciated.

I have a relatively simple configuration: Linux is the only OS on my
laptop and I have a single HD partitioned into /, sv (swap), and /home
partitions. These partitions are 5, .5, and 10 gig is size respectively.
Unless its necessary I don't have any desire to change the sizes. I've
downloaded the 3 10.0 ISO images and was planning on booting from the
first CD to do the upgrade.  

What I don't know is how an upgrade will affect my / and /home
partitions. For the most part I have apps installed on the / partition
and data installed on the /home partition.  I'd like to keep some apps
on the / partition if possible but if I can't its no big deal. 

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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

[JoeHill]

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 20:01:03 +0700
Hasta Purnama disseminated the following:

> > So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they
> > know
> > it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus
> > maintaining its popularity.
> Just like drug dealer.First,they give the drug free.Once you can not
> escape the drug addiction,they start to levy high price on the drug.

...and there are other similarities too: I don't think Windows users belong in
prison, they just need counselling and treatment ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Wierd supermounts

[Fajar Priyanto]

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On Friday 19 March 2004 01:17 am, Kasper Thunoe wrote:

> Its the two lines I have indicated with >>. I have erased these two lines
> twice now but they keep returning. So how the heck do i get rid of this as
> they serve no purpose.
>
> TIA
>
> /Kasper
Hi Kasper, are you sure? If so, then I think you must remove it from /etc/mtab 
also. But, I'm not sure, it's only my guessing, so you'd better wait and 
check it with others. 
HTH, Fajar.
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Re: [newbie] This is why I love this OS...

[David E. Fox]

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:05:07 -0500
JoeHill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Reason why it's best to run from a term: that way, when you want to
> quit MLDonkey, you just close the GUI and then ctrl-c in the term to
> stop the

Yeah, I finally figured that part out - mlnet. It isn't exactly clear,
and it was hard to find where things got put after the urpmi. 

I got a KDE edonkey client, fired up mlnet, fired up the GUI and had a
go. It spends most of the time waiting for files - it's worse than
bittorrent in that respect. Servers are very clogged.

I also unfortunately have little free space left on /home. I wanted
therefore to save the files in /tmp, or another suitable place with
plenty of room. Unfortunately, it seems that my free space is reduced in
/home, even though I started mlnet inside of /tmp. I guess it's a KDE
thing and I have partials underneath some .kde directory. I'll have to
check that possibility out.


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Re: [newbie] Track Ripping with lame

[David E. Fox]

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:54:23 -0500
Marc Resnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I got this error after trying to rip a track with Kaudiocreator. I 
> urpmi'd lame and all, and made sure the command works:
> 
> The encoded file was not created.
> Please check the encoder options.
> The wav file has been removed. Command was: lame --r3mix --tt 'By The 
> Way' --ta 'Red Hot Chili Peppers' --tl 'By The Way' --ty '2002' --tn 

I haven't used kaudiocreator. But I have a suggestion - try lame with
fewer options. Sometimes if a command like that fails, I will try it
with fewer options and then ramp up the options to see where maybe the
problem is. 

When ripping CDs, I mostly use cdparanoia and then simply 'lame -b 192
whatever.wav whatever.mp3' and that works.

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Re: [newbie] OT Streamripper

[David E. Fox]

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:42:04 -0600
Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>  I ftp the mp3's from newsgroups at 160KB/s.  D/l three or 
> four songs in the time it takes one to play.  As you say, most 

I use an iSP provided alias to supernews so I have good access to
newsgroups as well, but the d/l speed isn't always that fast :(.

> While I think streamtuner is great, I don't have much use for 
> streamripper.  Not that there's anything wrong with it. I've yet 

It might be the sources I've used in the past - I really haven't used
the thing all that much. I was pulling down some blues and country
stations with streamripper the other day, as well as Digitally imported
classical at 128kb/s - the latter ones sound pretty good. 

>   Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas


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[newbie] battery is running but it isn't, really!

[Fajar Priyanto]

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Hi guys,
I installed ACPI on my notebook, previously, out of the box mandrake gave me 
APM. But, from the list it said that ACPI is better, so I replaced APM with 
ACPI. Yes, it works. The fan now runs less often. But, something is bothering 
me though.

When I unplugged the power, it immediatly said that the battery was running 
out, 0:00 minutes left.  when I run over my mouse over the battery indicator, 
the tool tip said correctly that I still have 94% power, but the minute was 
wrong (0:00).

Here's the screen shot:
http://www.arinet.org/download/gambar-mdk92-batt-out-1a.jpg
http://www.arinet.org/download/gambar-mdk92-batt-out-2a.jpg
Any ideas? TIA, Fajar.
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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

[David E. Fox]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:21:33 +1100
Brian Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Well this is an AMD XP2800 with 512MB and a decent dual DDR mobo.  I
> don't see any hesitancy and no load when idle, but I get skips galore
> on

That's quite odd, as xmms is usually low latency on such a system. I
wonder if there might be something else that's amiss. Case in point, on
my AMD 1000 box recently, I experienced lots of skips recently playing
from a URL. This is fairly uncommon, even though I was encoding a VCD at
the same time. But that wasn't the problem - it was artsd. Darn thing
was eating up most of the cpu, and (2.6) kernel was spending a lto of
time in system mode. As a result, my system was barely usable, and the
encode ended up dropping way too many frames :(. Killing artsd made it
all better.

> Brian

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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

[Hasta Purnama]

19/03/2004 19:07 Fajar Priyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know
> it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus
> maintaining its popularity.
Just like drug dealer.First,they give the drug free.Once you can not
escape the drug addiction,they start to levy high price on the drug.

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Re: [newbie] Touchpad Synaptics Driver Not Loading Properly

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> I added evdev as an entry, and the touchpad works fine now. Thanks for
> the help.
> -

What evdev? Ow.. I didn't even notice it exist in the file :)
I guess Mdk works in a misterious way.
You're welcome Marc. 
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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

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On Friday 19 March 2004 07:30 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:07:03 +0700
>
> Fajar Priyanto disseminated the following:
> > So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they
> > know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their
> > product thus maintaining its popularity.
>
> Bingo.
Yes Joe. Here in my place, it is not MS that promoting the use of legal 
software, but the open source community. What a paradox :)
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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

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On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:07:03 +0700
Fajar Priyanto disseminated the following:

> So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know 
> it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus 
> maintaining its popularity.

Bingo.

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Re: [newbie] Test

[JoeHill]

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:49:26 -0500
Lee Wiggers disseminated the following:

> I just had two returned undelivered and they hit the list too.  Must
> be a new feature.

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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

[Fajar Priyanto]

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On Friday 19 March 2004 05:45 pm, anton wrote:

> I once read (possibly even on a mandrake list) that M$s biggest asset
> was that MOST of the world's programmers and sysadmins and certain
> almost all of the world's joe bloggs' are only comfortable using M$
> products. I would like to see the figures of M$ still losing ground.
> Sure Linux and others might be gaining a little here and there, but i'm
> sure M$ is also still growing as a company. Actual raw numbers are
> growing for both and while that is still happening then M$ can afford to
> let this little "Linux thing" continue. While I know lots of people that
> think it is "cool" to use pirated M$ software - the joke is on them.
> While people are only comfortable using M$ then there are always
> situations where they will extract their pound. 3rd world companies
> still have to pay for their licences. Jesus, aparently even in China now
> they are getting strict! But ask yourselves this - how many companies
> would buy copies of M$Office if all their employees used Open Office at
> home? Eh? Think about it. Microsoft will dance the fine line "trying" to
> "stop the scourge of piracy" but only so far. If they really stopped all
> those $2 and $3 copies then people would really start looking for
> alternatives. They would see that M$ is just glossier, and gives no real
> competitive advantage. M$ does not want that to happen. I recently flat
> out refused to get my dad an illegal copy of office, which I could have
> acquired, had I wanted ;-). No I will not, I said. I will, however, give
> you a copy of Open Office, and also of Star Office (when they had their
> free licences I got a few). So I got ready to send it to him... but in
> the meanwhile dad, just boot into the linux partition I installed for
> you when I was up for christmas... and btw you don't need to worry about
> viruses in Linux so you don't have to get another virus checker... What
> do you know? Dad now uses Linux. Be vigilant my friends and free your
> fellows from crime - stop piracy NOW! The less you condone the use of
> pirated software the more you promote alternatives - FREEDOM.
> Cheers
> Anton

You're right Anton,
MS will never try to crack down piracy by itself (well at least not 
officially). Here in my place, a copyright law was taken effect for more than 
two years ago. Instead of scoring big bucks from companies by raiding them, 
MS repeatedly denied that they will do such raids. Because they know, once 
they do the raid, a huge migration to open source will happen here (some 
already happen, companies are begining move into open source alternatives).

So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know 
it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus 
maintaining its popularity.
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Re: [newbie] Touchpad Synaptics Driver Not Loading Properly

[Marc Resnick]

Fajar Priyanto wrote:

On Friday 19 March 2004 10:54 am, Greg Meyer wrote:

>On Thursday 18 March 2004 10:26 pm, Marc Resnick wrote:

>>Does anyone see any reason as to why it shouldn't work?

>I had to add an entry for evdev into my /etc/modprobe.preload file to get
>it to work.
Do we have to enable it by ourselves? Because in my notebook, it's all 
setup
by mdk (also notice that my usb mouse also done by mdk).
Well, here's my XFree config:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] fajar]# cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
# File generated by XFdrake.

# **
# Refer to the XF86Config man page for details about the format of
# this file.
# **
Section "Files"
# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated 
together)
# By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server 
independent of
# the X server to render fonts.
FontPath "unix/:-1"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
AllowMouseOpenFail # allows the server to start up even if the mouse
doesn't work
#DontZoom # disable / (resolution switching)
#DontZap # disable  (server abort)
EndSection
Section "Module"
Load "dbe" # Double-Buffering Extension
Load "v4l" # Video for Linux
Load "extmod"
Load "type1"
Load "freetype"
Load "glx" # 3D layer
Load "dri" # direct rendering
EndSection
Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard1"
Driver "Keyboard"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "en_US"
Option "XkbOptions" ""
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse1"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/usbmouse"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse2"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "PS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Emulate3Buttons"
Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "monitor1"
VendorName "Generic"
ModelName "Flat Panel 1400x1050"
HorizSync 31.5-90
VertRefresh 59-75
# Sony Vaio C1(X,XS,VE,VN)?
# 1024x480 @ 85.6 Hz, 48 kHz hsync
ModeLine "1024x480"65.00 1024 1032 1176 1344   480  488  494  563
-hsync -vsync
# TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output.
# 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync
ModeLine "768x576" 50.00  768  832  846 1000   576  590  595  630
# 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync
ModeLine "768x576" 63.07  768  800  960 1024   576  578  590  616
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "device1"
VendorName "ATI"
BoardName "ATI Radeon (fglrx)"
Driver "radeon"
Option "DPMS"
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "screen1"
Device "device1"
Monitor "monitor1"
DefaultColorDepth 24
Subsection "Display"
Depth 8
Virtual 1400 1050
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 15
Virtual 1400 1050
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 16
Virtual 1400 1050
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Virtual 1400 1050
EndSubsection
EndSection
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "layout1"
InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Mouse2" "SendCoreEvents"
Screen "screen1"
EndSection
I added evdev as an entry, and the touchpad works fine now. Thanks for 
the help.
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Re: [newbie] Modem Woes-Problem solved

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> > On Friday 19 March 2004 09:59, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > > and documentation can be had by Googling and searching.
> >
> > But only if your modem works :-)
> >
> > Anne
>
> Is there no Googling under Winders?
>
OK - I give up   If he's dual-booting or has a second computer, 
yes.  But you really only get comfortable with linux once you have 
the infrastructure in place so that you can spend all your time 
there.

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Re: [newbie] Modem Woes-Problem solved

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On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 21:38, Anne Wilson wrote:
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> On Friday 19 March 2004 09:59, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > and documentation can be had by Googling and searching. 
> 
> But only if your modem works :-)
> 
> Anne

Is there no Googling under Winders?

stephen kuhn - owner
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Re: [newbie] Modem Woes-Problem solved

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:38:40 +
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Modem Woes-Problem solved

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> On Friday 19 March 2004 09:59, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > and documentation can be had by Googling and searching. 
> 
> But only if your modem works :-)
> 
> Anne

I am using an HCF Data Fax winmodem here, and have 
been since 8.2 with Linuxant drivers. They do charge 
for the driver now, which is distasteful to some, but, 
this modem/driver does perform very well. Perhaps better than it does under MS. It's 
painless to install 
via rpm, tar, or is easily compiled from src, if need 
be. 

Just want to confirm that some winmodems can also 
function perfectly well as linmodems. Nothing against 
external hardware though. ;-)

Regards.


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Re: [newbie] openoffice sous win et linux?

[anton]

Anne:
You raise a good point. Back when I lived in Dilbert's world, I learned that 
even moving documents from one installation of MS Office to another -- even 
within the same version -- is not as simple as the MS advertisements might 
lead you to believe. We would get templates from A Higher Level that required 
some fudging so that they would print in the proscribed format. The usual 
culprit was that the originator had either diddled his printer settings, or 
was using a printer that had capabilities that were not available to us.

It was worse, of course, when the template was created using a newer version 
of Word/Excel/Whatever than we had, since going from new --> old --> new is 
never bullet proof.
Yip that's right, I have had big differences between word 97-2000-xp. 
not worth the bytes its written on.;-)
cheers
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Re: [newbie] Modem Woes-Problem solved

[Hoyt Bailey]

Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 20:21, Hoyt Bailey wrote:

 

Consider those of us who live in never never land where computers are 
not common and linux users are rare.  Where do you go for help to even 
get online.  Mandrake 9.2 was the first dist I ever tried (outside of 
windows)  that worked well enough to do that.

Hoyt
   

This is a true point - hence the reason to cultivate MORE linux users
and spread them far and wide around the world. WE MUST CONQUER. Aside
from that you can fly me to you location and I'll be more than happy to
give ya a hand with whatever you need ala linux; as long as you don't
mind me eating y'all's food, drinking all yer beer, farting and
scratching myself all the while.
NAH NAH NAH - look, you'd be surprised that the LUG's that are starting
up (Linux User Groups); they're springing up all over the place - and
documentation can be had by Googling and searching. And to top it off,
you've got troops like this here Mandrake list that are always more than
hellful, er, helpful with doling out advice and tips'n'hints - so it
ain't like yer stuck on a jumbuck - you can access the info from the
Windows-side of life to make the linux-side work if ya gets stuck.
AND, if you live in Australia, you can call: 1-902-225-000 which is the
OzIT Support line (you pay via your phone bill) and you'll get ME on the
line...dig that...(grin)
You wouldnt like the beer (best we can get is fosters) and I cant afford 
the air fare.  It would be nice to visit Australia but that didnt 
happen.  I'm 70 this year so guess I'd better stay in OK.
Regards;
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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

[anton]

Here in Turkey, Windows costs around $2 (Mandrake costs a bit more, 
because there are more CDs). To quote a local comedy show, "Please don't 
use the word 'pirate'. We are art distributors."



Here that OS would cost around US$3.
But, you know what, I think it's still too expensive.
:-)
I once read (possibly even on a mandrake list) that M$s biggest asset 
was that MOST of the world's programmers and sysadmins and certain 
almost all of the world's joe bloggs' are only comfortable using M$ 
products. I would like to see the figures of M$ still losing ground. 
Sure Linux and others might be gaining a little here and there, but i'm 
sure M$ is also still growing as a company. Actual raw numbers are 
growing for both and while that is still happening then M$ can afford to 
let this little "Linux thing" continue. While I know lots of people that 
think it is "cool" to use pirated M$ software - the joke is on them. 
While people are only comfortable using M$ then there are always 
situations where they will extract their pound. 3rd world companies 
still have to pay for their licences. Jesus, aparently even in China now 
they are getting strict! But ask yourselves this - how many companies 
would buy copies of M$Office if all their employees used Open Office at 
home? Eh? Think about it. Microsoft will dance the fine line "trying" to 
"stop the scourge of piracy" but only so far. If they really stopped all 
those $2 and $3 copies then people would really start looking for 
alternatives. They would see that M$ is just glossier, and gives no real 
competitive advantage. M$ does not want that to happen. I recently flat 
out refused to get my dad an illegal copy of office, which I could have 
acquired, had I wanted ;-). No I will not, I said. I will, however, give 
you a copy of Open Office, and also of Star Office (when they had their 
free licences I got a few). So I got ready to send it to him... but in 
the meanwhile dad, just boot into the linux partition I installed for 
you when I was up for christmas... and btw you don't need to worry about 
viruses in Linux so you don't have to get another virus checker... What 
do you know? Dad now uses Linux. Be vigilant my friends and free your 
fellows from crime - stop piracy NOW! The less you condone the use of 
pirated software the more you promote alternatives - FREEDOM.
Cheers
Anton

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Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'

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> > On Thursday 18 March 2004 21:30, Josenildo Marques wrote:
> >>In my share of the world they advertising they're selling any
> >>software for a reasonable price, payable in 10 months.
> >
> > Assuming that it's genuine software, I presume that the
> > 'reasonable price' is still high for many people?  Not that I'm
> > cynical, or anything, but being realistic, a commercial company
> > gets what it can for its products.
>
> That's true, but I think in this case the objection is that they
> are using their monopoly position. There was a similar brouhaha
> about British Telecom shortly after it was privatised, IIRC.
>
Absolutely, Robin.  I was merely commenting that what might, in 
comparison to other areas, seem 'reasonable cost' is still beyond the 
means of many people.

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Re: [newbie] Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community

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On Friday 19 March 2004 04:47, Lee Wiggers wrote:
>
> I swear, I was just looking.  Next thing I remember, I was sorting
> out my internet connection.
>
For those in the uk similarly tempted but having only the diabolical 
bt connection, the 3-disk set can be bought for £7, inc. postage, 
from http://fastdiscs.com/

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