Re: [newbie] OT Email problems

2004-03-23 Thread Inhabitant of Zion
> I think the problem is with your ISP been consider a spammer, not you.
> 

Yes somebody told me that many people are blocking my ISP en-bloc. I
beleive its because they have a very poor security policy (I suspect
they have been used for relaying spam?) and the amount of spam I get in
my "official account" is rediculous. I occasionally go in to it online
and delete the pages of it :-(

It seems that my problem arose when I upgraded my server. I did not
realise that my mailer was sending my emails direct from my MX rather
than using the relays of my ISP which was causing them to get caught in
spam filters. I have to tell the server to send them to my ISPs relays
and then everything got fixed. Don't remember having to do that last
time I set up the server. Either that or it was not a feature in the
last version.

Anyway I assume the bounces are from somebody subbed to this list then?

Regards

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Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown

2004-03-23 Thread Margot
Charlie Mahan wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On March 23, 2004 11:45 am, Margot wrote:

Newly installed 10 CE won't shutdown/poweroff cleanly - using either
 the root terminal shutdown process or the KDE logout button I get
as far as this...
uhci_hcd :00:11.2: USB bus 1 deregistered
... and then it hangs.
I know this is a known issue, and apparently there is a kernel fix
on the way, but meanwhile...
Alt + SysRq + R S E I U B will give me a reboot from where the
shutdown hangs - is there a similar trick which will give me a clean
shutdown and poweroff?
Margot


Yeah, install Thomas Backlund's latest kernel from contrib. It seems to have 
fixed the USB glitch for most people. 

Including 4 of the systems I was screaming at last week. 

BTW adding another S to your magic keys sequence may be warranted Margot. I 
mean between the U and B. Just in case.

Regards;
Charlie
Thanks Charlie, I'll give the new kernel a try once I can get my 
internet connection to stay up long enough to download the file! I 
have an 'unlimited' monthly-paid dialup package, but each session is 
supposedly time-limited to 2 hours - and unfortunately, I frequently 
get dropped well before the 2 hour limit. I can redial immediately 
of course, but that doesn't help when I'm trying to download a file 
the size of a kernel :-(

Meanwhile, what does the extra 'S' stand for?
Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly So Boring?
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[newbie] Mandrake 10.0 community edition Dell Inspiron 8200 pcmcia does not find any sockets

2004-03-23 Thread Geoffrey Deasey

Nothing happens when /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start

I have checked and cardmgr is not running and it syslogs a message no sockets
found.

I tryed the 2.6.4 kernel and the same problem exsists.

Machine specs

Dell Inspiron 8200
2.0 G P4-M
512M ram
40G hard drive
dvd/cdrw 
2 batteries
ATI Radeon 9000

If you need anything from the logs, just let me know!

Thanks 

Geoffrey

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Re: [newbie] VMWare-question

2004-03-23 Thread N. B. Day
On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 14:05, Anders Lind wrote:
> Hello folks,
> 
> this is not a Mandrakespecific question per se but still I am wondering
>  im VMWare is capable of using an already existing installation of
>  Windows 2000 on the computer and use it as a virtual machine.
> 
> Cheers
> Anders
Yes, it can, in what they call "raw" mode.  This is hedged about with
caveats and warnings like "for experts only!" in such a way as to make
me suspect that it doesn't really work.  I've not tried it.  

If you've got the disk space in /home, it's almost certainly easier to
install another copy.

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Re: [newbie] OT Email problems

2004-03-23 Thread Oscar Salas Fernandez
I think the problem is with your ISP been consider a spammer, not you. 
Bye

El mar, 23-03-2004 a las 09:36, Inhabitant of Zion escribió:
> Hi
> 
> I seem to be having problems with my emails being rejected by loads of
> different people. It would seem somebody has reported my IP as being
> that of a spammer. I get this message:
> 
> Connected to 137.205.128.7 but sender was rejected. Remote host said:
> 550 5.7.1 Rejected: 82.36.99.231 listed at rbl-plus.mail-abuse.ja.net
> 
> How do I find out why my IP has been listed as a mail abuser and what
> can I do about it?
> 
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Re: [newbie] Gateway BURN IN HELL!! RANT Kind of long

2004-03-23 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:24:41 -0500
Carroll Grigsby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 23 March 2004 11:03 am, William Warren wrote:
> > just from this post..it works with windows and not with
> > Linux..Bioses can be tied to windows and as part of the MS OEM
> > license that is what most large computer vendors do to get the
> > rock bottom pricing on windows.  Gateway only supports windows
> > and they do not and will not support Linux on that machine.  The
> > warranty states no third party software or hardware is not
> > supported and will not be supported by gateway.  Dell and most
> > other vendors have similar clauses in their warranty
> > agreements...they will not and do not have to replace anything
> > if it will run under windows.  the court case will go nowhere if
> > the case is based on the machines inability to run Linux.
> 
> FWIW, a brief search of Gateway's site led to over 100 how-to's
> related to installing Red Hat and Suse on their products, which
> suggests that Gateway has an awareness of Linux. I'm not familiar
> with the Gateway product line, so that it is quite possible that
> the references are to servers only. Marc, you might want to spend
> some time poking around on the Gateway site.
> 
> -- cmg
> 
> 
> 
I've been somewhat half-assed following this thread, so feel free to
slap me around if I missed it.

Has anyone asked Gateway for specific help?  Vendors are getting
better about Linux support.  Next year they'll be kissing up to us.

You could be a trend starter.

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[newbie] kmail lock file

2004-03-23 Thread Bill Winegarden
Hi,
When I boot into LM10 I have been getting a 'KMail can't start because it's 
already on a process as shown in the lock file' type message. I initially 
tried to 'kill' the process but it isn't acutally running. So I just delete 
the lock file. I can't understand why this should be happening since I always 
manage a clean shut down.

Has anyone else had this problem. Not major, just a nuisance.

tia,
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Re: [newbie] Synaptics driver not loading after normal mouse is plugged in.

2004-03-23 Thread Marc Resnick
Greg Meyer wrote:

On Tuesday 23 March 2004 08:01 pm, Marc Resnick wrote:
 

My synaptics driver for my touchpad will work after a fresh reboot,
because I added evdev to modules.preload. But as soon as I plug my
regular mouse in, the touchpad will cease to work until I reboot again.
I try modprobe evdev, but there is no change. My XFree86 config is
correct, because it worked fine before I upgraded from the 2.6.2 to
2.6.3 kernel. I checked it to make sure it was the same.
Any suggestions?

   

Here are my input device sections of XF86Config-4.

Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier "Mouse1"
   Driver "synaptics"
   Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"
   Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
   Option "MaxSpeed" "0.18"
   Option "MinSpeed" "0.02"
   Option "BottomEdge" "4000"
   Option "SHMConfig" "on"
   # Option "Repeater"  "/dev/ps2mouse"
   Option "LeftEdge" "1900"
   Option "FingerLow" "25"
   Option "MaxTapTime" "180"
   Option "MaxTapMove" "220"
   Option "FingerHigh" "30"
   Option "VertScrollDelta" "100"
   Option "TopEdge" "1900"
   Option "RightEdge" "5400"
   Option "AccelFactor" "0.0010"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier "Mouse2"
   Driver "mouse"
   Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2"
   Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
   Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection
 

 

Here are mine:

Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier "Mouse2"
   Driver "synaptics"
   Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"
   Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
   Option "MinSpeed" "0.06"
   Option "MaxSpeed" "0.12"
   Option "BottomEdge" "4200"
   Option "SHMConfig" "on"
   # Option"Repeater""/dev/ps2mouse"
   Option "LeftEdge" "1700"
   Option "FingerLow" "25"
   Option "MaxTapTime" "180"
   Option "MaxTapMove" "220"
   Option "FingerHigh" "30"
   Option "VertScrollDelta" "100"
   Option "TopEdge" "1700"
   Option "RightEdge" "5300"
   Option "AccelFactor" "0.0010"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier "Mouse1"
   Driver "mouse"
   Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
   Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
   Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection
And my server layout:

Section "ServerLayout"
   Identifier "layout1"
   InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
   InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
   InputDevice "Mouse2" "AlwaysCore"
   Screen "screen1"
EndSection
I still think it has something to do with evdev, though.




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Re: [newbie] Synaptics driver not loading after normal mouse is plugged in.

2004-03-23 Thread Greg Meyer
On Tuesday 23 March 2004 08:01 pm, Marc Resnick wrote:
> My synaptics driver for my touchpad will work after a fresh reboot,
> because I added evdev to modules.preload. But as soon as I plug my
> regular mouse in, the touchpad will cease to work until I reboot again.
> I try modprobe evdev, but there is no change. My XFree86 config is
> correct, because it worked fine before I upgraded from the 2.6.2 to
> 2.6.3 kernel. I checked it to make sure it was the same.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
Here are my input device sections of XF86Config-4.

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse1"
Driver "synaptics"
Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "MaxSpeed" "0.18"
Option "MinSpeed" "0.02"
Option "BottomEdge" "4000"
Option "SHMConfig" "on"
# Option "Repeater"  "/dev/ps2mouse"
Option "LeftEdge" "1900"
Option "FingerLow" "25"
Option "MaxTapTime" "180"
Option "MaxTapMove" "220"
Option "FingerHigh" "30"
Option "VertScrollDelta" "100"
Option "TopEdge" "1900"
Option "RightEdge" "5400"
Option "AccelFactor" "0.0010"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse2"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection
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Re: [newbie] Gateway BURN IN HELL!! RANT Kind of long

2004-03-23 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Tuesday 23 March 2004 11:03 am, William Warren wrote:
> just from this post..it works with windows and not with Linux..Bioses
> can be tied to windows and as part of the MS OEM license that is what
> most large computer vendors do to get the rock bottom pricing on
> windows.  Gateway only supports windows and they do not and will not
> support Linux on that machine.  The warranty states no third party
> software or hardware is not supported and will not be supported by
> gateway.  Dell and most other vendors have similar clauses in their
> warranty agreements...they will not and do not have to replace anything
> if it will run under windows.  the court case will go nowhere if the
> case is based on the machines inability to run Linux.

FWIW, a brief search of Gateway's site led to over 100 how-to's related to 
installing Red Hat and Suse on their products, which suggests that Gateway 
has an awareness of Linux. I'm not familiar with the Gateway product line, so 
that it is quite possible that the references are to servers only. Marc, you 
might want to spend some time poking around on the Gateway site.

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Re: [newbie] VMWare-question

2004-03-23 Thread Greg Meyer
On Tuesday 23 March 2004 03:29 pm, Miark wrote:
> Nope.
>
Actually, yes, but there is some fancy footwork you have to do.  This article 
may help you get started learning about whst you have to do.

http://www.vmware.com/support/ws4/doc/disks_dualmult_ws.html

And you need to read this if the machine running Win2K has ACPI 

http://www.vmware.com/support/ws3/doc/ws32_disks8.html

HTH
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:05:56 +0100, Anders wrote:
> > this is not a Mandrakespecific question per se but still I am
> > wondering im VMWare is capable of using an already existing
> > installation of Windows 2000 on the computer and use it as a
> > virtual machine.

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Re: [newbie] Screen Resolution & Refresh Rate

2004-03-23 Thread John A. Smith
I had the same problem with my Intel 82855 chip. Check out this link 
from Intel

http://support.intel.com/support/notebook/centrino/sb/cs-006059-prd955.htm

Click on linux drivers and download and install the .rpm file. The 
follow the X -configure instructions in the Readme. This should get your 
desktop back within your screen, but I am still working on figuring out 
how to get the resolution right. The desktop and program icons and text 
still look huge to me. Let me know if you figure out something for that.

-john smith

Beavers, Randy W. wrote:

All,

   How do I tell the "Monitor" to change Screen
   Resolution & Refresh Rates? It's stuck at 460x480.
   I'am looking at a big desktop through a little window.
   That I push around with mouse.
   Running MandrakeMove on a Dell P4 MM doesn't have drivers 
   for the Intel 82865gG graghics card, but all the Intel drivers
   doing the same thing. MM has the right monitor.

 Thanks  

   
   

 




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[newbie] Synaptics driver not loading after normal mouse is plugged in.

2004-03-23 Thread Marc Resnick
My synaptics driver for my touchpad will work after a fresh reboot, 
because I added evdev to modules.preload. But as soon as I plug my 
regular mouse in, the touchpad will cease to work until I reboot again. 
I try modprobe evdev, but there is no change. My XFree86 config is 
correct, because it worked fine before I upgraded from the 2.6.2 to 
2.6.3 kernel. I checked it to make sure it was the same.

Any suggestions?

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Re: [newbie] cdrecord errors

2004-03-23 Thread RichardA
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:05:51 +, RichardA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> This is on 9.2, before and after updates. I've edited /etc/lilo.conf
> to add hdc=ide-scsi.
> 
> If I try to burn an iso image, in the GCombust results window I see:
> 
> /usr/bin/cdrecord: Operation not permitted: WARNING: Cannot set
> RR-scheduler
> /usr/bin/cdrecord: Permission denied: WARNING: Cannot set priority
> using setpriority()
> /usr/bin/cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer
> underruns.
> 
> Google says to check suid on cdrecord, but it's already set.

Never mind, the CDs are fine -- I'm installing 10.0 from them now.
I'd still like to know what the errors are, though.


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[newbie] kernel panic on PPC 7600/120

2004-03-23 Thread info
Hi All,

I'm trying to install Mandrake 9.1 for Apple PPC on a PPC 7600 604 12 
mhz 48mb 2gb

the installation keeps ending with a kernel panic:
mesh: double mda start
I'm doing a text install from CD

The installer doesn't recognize the CD by itself, I need to choose a 
driver which is called mesh. Non of the other drivers seem to work.

what options should I try?





Groet,

Peter Teunissen



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Re: [newbie] cd install failed

2004-03-23 Thread Derek Jennings
On Tuesday 23 Mar 2004 22:14, di di wrote:
> After inserting the first cd of mdk 10 communiy in my 12x cd rom of laptop
> presario 1275 -manufactured in 1998- the boot starts, ...but after doing
> clic over installing start loading the program and the message of "looking
> for usb devices" comes, then comes "looking for cd rom".and here
> appears the error message "No CD ROM device found".what strange??it
> wouldnt have booted if the cd rom didnt work??
>
> I recently installed on a newer desktop pc and everything worked
> perfectly
>
> Thanks...Fabian.
>
> _
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http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3#bootinstall

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Re: [newbie] cdrecord errors

2004-03-23 Thread RichardA
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:05:51 +, RichardA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> This is on 9.2, before and after updates. I've edited /etc/lilo.conf
> to add hdc=ide-scsi.
> 
> If I try to burn an iso image, in the GCombust results window I see:
> 
> /usr/bin/cdrecord: Operation not permitted: WARNING: Cannot set
> RR-scheduler
> /usr/bin/cdrecord: Permission denied: WARNING: Cannot set priority
> using setpriority()
> /usr/bin/cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer
> underruns.
> 
> Google says to check suid on cdrecord, but it's already set.

Never mind, the CDs are fine -- I'm installing 10.0 from them now.
I'd still like to know what the errors are, though.


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Re: [newbie] Opening terminal adds users

2004-03-23 Thread Chris
On Tuesday 23 March 2004 03:35 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 13:26, Chris wrote:
> > Don't know Stephen, any way I can find out?
>
> Tune the system - especially the HD settings; reboot.
>

Stephen, I hate to sound like a smart ass but how will that take care of the 
problem, if it is even a problem?

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Re: [newbie] cannot login with mdkdm

2004-03-23 Thread Stephanus Fengler
Bryan Phinney wrote:

Yes, I understand the concept of not allowing root login and why, I just don't 
think that it applies to console logins.  Having a standard account 
accessible remotely eases the barrier for someone to brute force hack the 
box, however, that usually doesn't apply to console since most hackers 
trolling for vulnerable machines don't have physical access to those 
machines.

For the record, I can think of a couple of ways to possibly accomplish denying 
root login from console, but for the life of me, can't imagine that doing so 
is a good idea.  It is always possible to forget the password, lock the 
account, etc.
 



Yeah, right... I agree. Well, I can only say, set your system to 
paranoid and test it yourself. You cannot login as root. Maybe there are 
some higher reasons for security which I don't know. I only see the 
behaviour. Maybe we should ask some experts about it...
Forgetting passwords is natural, therefore you have the rescue disks ;)...
/g fengler

however.. I am still struggling with the strange dm behviour. I wish to 
use my user account and not root for writing my emails.


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Re: [newbie] VMWare-question

2004-03-23 Thread Miark
Nope.

Miark


On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:05:56 +0100, Anders wrote:

> this is not a Mandrakespecific question per se but still I am
> wondering im VMWare is capable of using an already existing
> installation of Windows 2000 on the computer and use it as a
> virtual machine.


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[newbie] VMWare-question

2004-03-23 Thread Anders Lind
Hello folks,

this is not a Mandrakespecific question per se but still I am wondering im VMWare is 
capable of using an already existing installation of Windows 2000 on the computer and 
use it as a virtual machine.

Cheers
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Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown

2004-03-23 Thread Charlie Mahan
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On March 23, 2004 11:45 am, Margot wrote:
> Newly installed 10 CE won't shutdown/poweroff cleanly - using either
>   the root terminal shutdown process or the KDE logout button I get
> as far as this...
> uhci_hcd :00:11.2: USB bus 1 deregistered
> ... and then it hangs.
>
> I know this is a known issue, and apparently there is a kernel fix
> on the way, but meanwhile...
>
> Alt + SysRq + R S E I U B will give me a reboot from where the
> shutdown hangs - is there a similar trick which will give me a clean
> shutdown and poweroff?
>
> Margot

Yeah, install Thomas Backlund's latest kernel from contrib. It seems to have 
fixed the USB glitch for most people. 

Including 4 of the systems I was screaming at last week. 

BTW adding another S to your magic keys sequence may be warranted Margot. I 
mean between the U and B. Just in case.

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10 -- Excellent...but...

2004-03-23 Thread Ronald
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Op dinsdag 23 maart 2004 08:23, schreef John Wilson:
> The second issue is more troubling.  When setting up internet connection
> sharing the wizard fscks all networking.  I can always reach the internet
> before I set it up but not after.

Hallo John,

the way it works for me is

setup internet connection
setup firewall
setup internet sharing

if I dont setup firewall before internet sharing it blocks
the internet connection

to use linneighborhood I have to add

ACCEPT  fw  loc
ACCEPT  loc all

to /etc/shorewall/rules 


HTH.Ronald

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[newbie] 10 CE Shutdown

2004-03-23 Thread Margot
Newly installed 10 CE won't shutdown/poweroff cleanly - using either 
 the root terminal shutdown process or the KDE logout button I get 
as far as this...
uhci_hcd :00:11.2: USB bus 1 deregistered
... and then it hangs.

I know this is a known issue, and apparently there is a kernel fix 
on the way, but meanwhile...

Alt + SysRq + R S E I U B will give me a reboot from where the 
shutdown hangs - is there a similar trick which will give me a clean 
shutdown and poweroff?

Margot


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Re: [newbie] cannot login with mdkdm

2004-03-23 Thread Stephanus Fengler
Well, the reason for preventing direct root logins is following thing.
You always can log which user account was spoofed to gain access and 
then a the root account has to be hacked. So this means two barriers. 
However, I am not an expert about security. I just read that on the same 
page, once before Greg posted.

/g fengler

Bryan Phinney wrote:

On Monday 22 March 2004 10:35 pm, fengler wrote:
 

Hi,

I just installed Mandrake 10 community edition.
Now I got the following problem:
I installed with mode Paranoid so root should be generally unable to login
XSession or console.
   

I don't think that paranoid level prevents root login entirely, it simply sets 
a default to prevent root login remotely.  I am not sure why you would want 
to entirely prevent root login from the console, that may be the only way to 
get into fix problems if something were to get corrupted on the hard drives, 
like say, the /home partition were corrupted.
 




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RE: [newbie] Gateway BURN IN HELL!! RANT Kind of long

2004-03-23 Thread Mark Kirschner
William Warren stated: 
the only time you get the error is when trying linux from what i can
tell..which as i stated before is not supported by gateway.  
A point to note here; when Gateway says that third-party software is not
supported, it simply means that they will not provide technical support for
software they didn't install.  Hardware would still be covered under
warranty by Gateway.  Three months ago, I sent back a Gateway laptop 
for repair, even stating it had Mandrake Linux installed on it.   

Such limitations on support are not uncommon with OEMs.  Conversely, 
it's not uncommon for a vendor to deny support for OEM versions of a 
product.  It used to be (not sure it still is now, as I don't call software 
support, in general) that Microsoft would not support a pre-installed version 
of their products, referring you instead to the vendor who provided your 
pre-installed copy.

My take on the issue that Marc is having here is that it's either an 
incompatibility between hardware (very likely since vendors seem to buy
in bulk and then assemble components to build a model) or a BIOS strictly
designed for Windows.  I may, if I get a chance in the next day or so, try 
to install Mandrake on a newer (model E-6000) Gateway here at the office 
to see if I see the same problem.

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Re: [newbie] cannot login with mdkdm

2004-03-23 Thread Stephanus Fengler
Direct root Login  yes  yes  yes  no  no

I have read that page before and was right in saying root is generally 
not able to login 
and I asked for help with the logfile not with permissions.

However,  first, this is not the behaviour it should be and second the 
originally problem was, that I do not have access to my XWindow system 
as a User, which is kind of annoying.

Thanks,
fengler
Greg Meyer wrote:

On Monday 22 March 2004 10:35 pm, fengler wrote:
 

Hi,

I just installed Mandrake 10 community edition.
Now I got the following problem:
I installed with mode Paranoid so root should be generally unable to login
XSession or console.
   

Perhaps this document will help you understand how msec works.

http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php
 




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[newbie] Pgp program able to produce self-extracting archives

2004-03-23 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All

I am looking for a pgp program able to produce self-extracting archives. 
Does somebody here know whether kgpg is a program with this feature?

Thank you a lot in advance!

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Re: [newbie] Gateway BURN IN HELL!! RANT Kind of long

2004-03-23 Thread William Warren
the only time you get the error is when trying linux from what i can 
tell..which as i stated before is not supported by gateway.  No analogy 
is going to convince a judge otherwise.  you can try this court case but 
i do not think you are going to get anywhere..just my .02

Marc wrote:
On Tuesday 23 March 2004 10:03 am, William Warren wrote:

just from this post..it works with windows and not with Linux..Bioses
can be tied to windows and as part of the MS OEM license that is what
most large computer vendors do to get the rock bottom pricing on
windows.  Gateway only supports windows and they do not and will not
support Linux on that machine.  The warranty states no third party
software or hardware is not supported and will not be supported by
gateway.  Dell and most other vendors have similar clauses in their
warranty agreements...they will not and do not have to replace anything
if it will run under windows.  the court case will go nowhere if the
case is based on the machines inability to run Linux.
Marc wrote:



   My views are based on the fact that the Maxtor diagnostic software says 
that the hard drive suppled by Gateway is not properly supported by the BIOS 
on the mother board suppled BY gateway. Upgrading a operating system is a 
routine thing that most computer owners due themselves or hire a tech to due 
at one time or another. After all we all know plenty of people who have 
upgraded from win 95 to 98 or from win 98 to ME or XP. Upgrading  is a 
routine thing that almost everyone expects to be able to due when purchasing 
a PC.
   Once again using the auto analogy parallel parking is something that most 
people would assume that any car they purchased would be able to due weather 
or not the manufacturer stated in their warranty that the car was capable of 
parallel parking or not.  One would assume the manufacturer would be held 
responsible if a car was unable to to due such a routine function even with a 
skilled driver. One would also assume that if the problem with the car being 
impossible to parallel park was caused by a mismatch of the tires and rims 
that was not recommended by the maker of the tires. Would the auto maker not 
be responsible for using components that were designed to work together to 
preform basic routine functions? The BIOS in the gateway computer does NOT 
properly support the hard drive that Gateway installed with it. The software 
supplied by the maker of the HDD says so in so many words. Because of this 
parts mismatch the computer is unable to preform a basic routine function, a 
upgrade. If the HDD was able to preform as the manufacturer intended it to a 
simple routine upgrade would not be a issue but this machine was supplied 
with BIOS that is NOT able to control the hard drive properly so a routine 
function like a upgrade may be impossible even to the next OS that windoze 
comes out with.  If this was a matter of the MOBO having a chipset that was 
not supported by linux that would be one thing but this is much more basic. 
One piece of gateway hardware doe's not properly support another piece of 
Gateway hardware supplied in the same system by Gateway.

Furthermore win or loose the guy that owns the GW is retired and has 
nothing better to do with his spare time. He feels that it is not to much to 
ask gateway to supply BIOS that will work properly with the hard drive that 
they supplied. If they would rather waste a amount of time and effort that 
far exceeds the value of the computer and perhaps suffer from similar 
customer dissatisfaction and PR in the future he feels that would be all 
right also. The folks at gateway have already spent at least 4 hours of tech 
support time debating this issue. That had to cost a few bucks. If they want 
to continue to supply mismatched hardware let them also put up with the 
consequences that go with it. For that matter let them at least hire tech 
support people that the average English speaking public can understand. 2 of 
their tech support people had such bad English you would need a translator to 
understand more than half of what they said!!! I have doubts if they could 
understand all of what we told them.

   The whole situation with gateway failing to admit that they could have a 
hardware mismatch is nothing short of ridiculous

   .

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[newbie] cdrecord errors

2004-03-23 Thread RichardA
This is on 9.2, before and after updates. I've edited /etc/lilo.conf to
add hdc=ide-scsi.

If I try to burn an iso image, in the GCombust results window I see:

/usr/bin/cdrecord: Operation not permitted: WARNING: Cannot set
RR-scheduler
/usr/bin/cdrecord: Permission denied: WARNING: Cannot set priority using
setpriority()
/usr/bin/cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer
underruns.

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Re: [newbie] Gateway BURN IN HELL!! RANT Kind of long

2004-03-23 Thread John Richard Smith
Marc wrote:

Gateway could have a BIG problem here, possibly a class action law suit.

It's about the only arguement you have, maybe a class action is 
possible, since in effect it's a restrictive practice bound to result in 
eliminating outsiders, but who will sue Gateway ?  Costs millions, and 
they know it.
If we had governments with bottle it ought to be incumbent upon them to 
bring actions on behalf of the consumer, but they don't, and in any case 
if they did tell you at the point of sale that this is a Windows only 
machine, like as not they might even get away with it, my guess is that 
it merely said something like fully supports windows OS blah blah, no 
other OS is supported, which is their way of saying they don't guarantee 
anything else, but it does not say that they have doctored the bios to 
prevent any other form of OS being installed, which looks very like a 
class action suit to me.

 If they want to sell third rate hardware to customers that do not know any 
better they deserve it.

 Any legal prows out there with any opinions?

   Marc
 

But I am also guessing that your mobo manufacturer has a bios upgrade 
for your board that is neither a gateway special restrictive, and is 
what they would normally install on your mobo for general sale under 
their own name brand and will support linux OS installs.If so that is 
the best route for you.

John

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Re: [newbie] OT Email problems

2004-03-23 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 04:44, Bryan Phinney wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 March 2004 08:36 am, Inhabitant of Zion wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I seem to be having problems with my emails being rejected by loads of
> > different people. It would seem somebody has reported my IP as being
> > that of a spammer. I get this message:
> >
> > Connected to 137.205.128.7 but sender was rejected. Remote host said:
> > 550 5.7.1 Rejected: 82.36.99.231 listed at rbl-plus.mail-abuse.ja.net
> >
> > How do I find out why my IP has been listed as a mail abuser and what
> > can I do about it?
> 
> >From what I can see, your IP is in one or two DNSBL's as a dynamic/residential 
> IP range.  If your IP is, in fact, a dynamic IP, then you can either contact 
> the admin of the server in question and ask them to explicitly whitelist your 
> IP range to get past the dynamic blocks, you can get a non-dynamic IP range 
> to get around them, or you can relay your mail through a smarthost that is 
> not on a dynamic IP range.

He's probably a spammer nonetheless...can't trust those folks named
"Inhabitant of Zion"; sounds like a spammer name...(g)

stephen kuhn - owner
==
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a kuhn media australia company
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Re: [newbie] Gateway BURN IN HELL!! RANT Kind of long

2004-03-23 Thread Marc
On Tuesday 23 March 2004 10:08 am, Aron Smith wrote:

> >Also if the system that you are talking about Moureen is about 3 years
> > old Gateway could have a BIG problem here, possibly a class action law
> > suit. If they want to sell third rate hardware to customers that do not
> > know any better they deserve it.
> >
> >   Any legal prows out there with any opinions?
>
> Anyway to put Grocklaw on it?
>
> > Marc

   That Is good food for thought. The guy that owns the gateway POS may take 
that into consideration depending on how things go in the next few days.
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Re: [newbie] OT Email problems

2004-03-23 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Tuesday 23 March 2004 08:36 am, Inhabitant of Zion wrote:
> Hi
>
> I seem to be having problems with my emails being rejected by loads of
> different people. It would seem somebody has reported my IP as being
> that of a spammer. I get this message:
>
> Connected to 137.205.128.7 but sender was rejected. Remote host said:
> 550 5.7.1 Rejected: 82.36.99.231 listed at rbl-plus.mail-abuse.ja.net
>
> How do I find out why my IP has been listed as a mail abuser and what
> can I do about it?

>From what I can see, your IP is in one or two DNSBL's as a dynamic/residential 
IP range.  If your IP is, in fact, a dynamic IP, then you can either contact 
the admin of the server in question and ask them to explicitly whitelist your 
IP range to get past the dynamic blocks, you can get a non-dynamic IP range 
to get around them, or you can relay your mail through a smarthost that is 
not on a dynamic IP range.

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Re: [newbie] Gateway BURN IN HELL!! RANT Kind of long

2004-03-23 Thread Marc
On Tuesday 23 March 2004 10:03 am, William Warren wrote:
> just from this post..it works with windows and not with Linux..Bioses
> can be tied to windows and as part of the MS OEM license that is what
> most large computer vendors do to get the rock bottom pricing on
> windows.  Gateway only supports windows and they do not and will not
> support Linux on that machine.  The warranty states no third party
> software or hardware is not supported and will not be supported by
> gateway.  Dell and most other vendors have similar clauses in their
> warranty agreements...they will not and do not have to replace anything
> if it will run under windows.  the court case will go nowhere if the
> case is based on the machines inability to run Linux.
>
> Marc wrote:
>

   My views are based on the fact that the Maxtor diagnostic software says 
that the hard drive suppled by Gateway is not properly supported by the BIOS 
on the mother board suppled BY gateway. Upgrading a operating system is a 
routine thing that most computer owners due themselves or hire a tech to due 
at one time or another. After all we all know plenty of people who have 
upgraded from win 95 to 98 or from win 98 to ME or XP. Upgrading  is a 
routine thing that almost everyone expects to be able to due when purchasing 
a PC.
   Once again using the auto analogy parallel parking is something that most 
people would assume that any car they purchased would be able to due weather 
or not the manufacturer stated in their warranty that the car was capable of 
parallel parking or not.  One would assume the manufacturer would be held 
responsible if a car was unable to to due such a routine function even with a 
skilled driver. One would also assume that if the problem with the car being 
impossible to parallel park was caused by a mismatch of the tires and rims 
that was not recommended by the maker of the tires. Would the auto maker not 
be responsible for using components that were designed to work together to 
preform basic routine functions? The BIOS in the gateway computer does NOT 
properly support the hard drive that Gateway installed with it. The software 
supplied by the maker of the HDD says so in so many words. Because of this 
parts mismatch the computer is unable to preform a basic routine function, a 
upgrade. If the HDD was able to preform as the manufacturer intended it to a 
simple routine upgrade would not be a issue but this machine was supplied 
with BIOS that is NOT able to control the hard drive properly so a routine 
function like a upgrade may be impossible even to the next OS that windoze 
comes out with.  If this was a matter of the MOBO having a chipset that was 
not supported by linux that would be one thing but this is much more basic. 
One piece of gateway hardware doe's not properly support another piece of 
Gateway hardware supplied in the same system by Gateway.

Furthermore win or loose the guy that owns the GW is retired and has 
nothing better to do with his spare time. He feels that it is not to much to 
ask gateway to supply BIOS that will work properly with the hard drive that 
they supplied. If they would rather waste a amount of time and effort that 
far exceeds the value of the computer and perhaps suffer from similar 
customer dissatisfaction and PR in the future he feels that would be all 
right also. The folks at gateway have already spent at least 4 hours of tech 
support time debating this issue. That had to cost a few bucks. If they want 
to continue to supply mismatched hardware let them also put up with the 
consequences that go with it. For that matter let them at least hire tech 
support people that the average English speaking public can understand. 2 of 
their tech support people had such bad English you would need a translator to 
understand more than half of what they said!!! I have doubts if they could 
understand all of what we told them.

   The whole situation with gateway failing to admit that they could have a 
hardware mismatch is nothing short of ridiculous

   .

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[newbie] test

2004-03-23 Thread Inhabitant of Zion
Just in case this dongle gets through. Sorry about this. 

Been having trouble with my IP being reported as a spam relay.

All my mails to this list have been returned undelivered.

Think I have sorted it now - just need to make sure.

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[newbie] Looking for the rpm file for PGP

2004-03-23 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All

I am looking for the rpm file for PGP. (Please, notice that I am not 
meaning GPG.) Could somebody here please help me?

Thank you a lot in advance!

Paul



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Re: [newbie] Monitor in sleep mode.

2004-03-23 Thread Dan Gordon
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:34:13 +
John Richard Smith wrote:

> Well maybe there is a way then.
> 
> There is the setterm command,
> 
> try looking at settern --help, or man setterm
> and see if any of those work ?
> Just a possibility
> 
 
Maybe setterm -powersave off
Thanks will let you know if this works

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Re: [newbie] Gateway BURN IN HELL!! RANT Kind of long

2004-03-23 Thread Aron Smith
On Tuesday 23 March 2004 07:47 am, Marc wrote:
> > I had the same problem with a friend of mine who wanted to try Linux.  I
> > also had a spare harddrive that had linux already on it.  We took his
> > out and put mine in and it would start to boot and then just stall.
> > Couldn't get into the BIOS at all.  We put his old disk in and it was
> > recongized just fine but had to reinstall windows.  This is a 3 year old
> > gateway.  He tried to install linux on the original harddrive and all
> > went well until reboot.  Again we couldn't get into the bios.  Now that
> > I know what the problem is I can reformat his drive with partition majic
> > and he can use the restore disk.  Although it doesn't surprise me in the
> > least, gateway and gates, both suck.
>
>   Moureen I seem to be getting close to the bottom of this. From what I
> have found it is NOT a problem with linux. I have spent a lot more time
> troubleshooting than I really should have. If I was to put any reasonable
> value on my time I could have purchased a couple of new motherboards by
> now. I guess I just don't like to be beaten by a POS hardware problem or a
> low life company that sells junk like this.
>This is what I have found so far. I installed a old Seagate 8 geg HDD
> model ST38410A in the Gateway, ML 10.0 installed , rebooted and ran just
> fine. I then downloaded Powermax from Maxtor and did a low level format on
> the Maxtor HDD from Gateway to insure that any and all hidden partitions
> and all data that Gateway had on it was 100% removed. I then tried it again
> and got the same old result. After installing ML the BIOS could no longer
> see the HDD. I did another low level format and again installed the drive
> in the gateway the BIOS could again detect the drive but this time I ran
> the diagnostic utility on the powermax disk and got the result of a ERROR
> BIOS Extension support failed.
>
>After this I have to conclude that Gates way is selling some models of
> computers where the BIOS on the MOBO does not fully or correctly support
> the hard drives supplied with the computers.
>
>   At this moment the owner of the gateway machine is on the phone with
> gateway demanding a replacement MOBO or a replacement drive of the same
> size that is 100% supported by his MOBO or a full refund.  If he meets to
> much resistance from gate way he is going to inform them that this matter
> will be taken to small claims court and that the papers will be filed in
> Mountain Home Arkansas the town that we live near. After doing some
> research into Arkansas law if we understand it correctly a representative
> from gateway will have to appear in court in Mountain Home AR or a
> automatic judgment will be made against Gateway. The closest Gateway office
> is in Little Rock, over a 100 mile drive so someone from gateway will have
> to spend at least a full day at this or they will have to hire a local
> lawyer. Yeah this guy is a bit Pod but he has been hung up on by Gateway
> tech support no less than 3 times in the last few days.
>
>I by no means claim to understand the law but in my mind their is a
> valid legal point here. Gateway is selling systems built with hardware that
> is NOT supposed to be installed together.
> This would be like Ford selling a car with rims that were 15" X  8" and
> putting on tires that were recommended by the manufacturer to go on a rim
> no smaller than 15 " X 10" , I would assume that when the tires failed to
> preform correctly  ford would be forced to rectify the parts mismatch.
>
>Also if the system that you are talking about Moureen is about 3 years
> old Gateway could have a BIG problem here, possibly a class action law
> suit. If they want to sell third rate hardware to customers that do not
> know any better they deserve it.
>
>   Any legal prows out there with any opinions?
Anyway to put Grocklaw on it?
>
> Marc


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Re: [newbie] Looking for a formula 1 game

2004-03-23 Thread Paul Smith
I am looking for a formula 1 game. Could somebody here please help me?
http://www.linuxgames.com/xrally/

...there are other games out there, but you might want to try to search
them out; heaps of RPG's and the likes - and FPS's - as well as being
able to use a version of WINE made by Transgaming...
Thanks a lot, Stephen!

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Re: [newbie] Gateway BURN IN HELL!! RANT Kind of long

2004-03-23 Thread William Warren
just from this post..it works with windows and not with Linux..Bioses 
can be tied to windows and as part of the MS OEM license that is what 
most large computer vendors do to get the rock bottom pricing on 
windows.  Gateway only supports windows and they do not and will not 
support Linux on that machine.  The warranty states no third party 
software or hardware is not supported and will not be supported by 
gateway.  Dell and most other vendors have similar clauses in their 
warranty agreements...they will not and do not have to replace anything 
if it will run under windows.  the court case will go nowhere if the 
case is based on the machines inability to run Linux.

Marc wrote:
I had the same problem with a friend of mine who wanted to try Linux.  I
also had a spare harddrive that had linux already on it.  We took his
out and put mine in and it would start to boot and then just stall.
Couldn't get into the BIOS at all.  We put his old disk in and it was
recongized just fine but had to reinstall windows.  This is a 3 year old
gateway.  He tried to install linux on the original harddrive and all
went well until reboot.  Again we couldn't get into the bios.  Now that
I know what the problem is I can reformat his drive with partition majic
and he can use the restore disk.  Although it doesn't surprise me in the
least, gateway and gates, both suck.




  Moureen I seem to be getting close to the bottom of this. From what I have 
found it is NOT a problem with linux. I have spent a lot more time 
troubleshooting than I really should have. If I was to put any reasonable 
value on my time I could have purchased a couple of new motherboards by now. 
I guess I just don't like to be beaten by a POS hardware problem or a low 
life company that sells junk like this.
   This is what I have found so far. I installed a old Seagate 8 geg HDD model 
ST38410A in the Gateway, ML 10.0 installed , rebooted and ran just fine. I 
then downloaded Powermax from Maxtor and did a low level format on the Maxtor 
HDD from Gateway to insure that any and all hidden partitions and all data 
that Gateway had on it was 100% removed. I then tried it again and got the 
same old result. After installing ML the BIOS could no longer see the HDD.
I did another low level format and again installed the drive in the gateway 
the BIOS could again detect the drive but this time I ran the diagnostic 
utility on the powermax disk and got the result of a ERROR BIOS Extension 
support failed.

   After this I have to conclude that Gates way is selling some models of 
computers where the BIOS on the MOBO does not fully or correctly support the 
hard drives supplied with the computers.

  At this moment the owner of the gateway machine is on the phone with gateway 
demanding a replacement MOBO or a replacement drive of the same size that is 
100% supported by his MOBO or a full refund.  If he meets to much resistance 
from gate way he is going to inform them that this matter will be taken to 
small claims court and that the papers will be filed in Mountain Home 
Arkansas the town that we live near. After doing some research into Arkansas 
law if we understand it correctly a representative from gateway will have to 
appear in court in Mountain Home AR or a automatic judgment will be made 
against Gateway. The closest Gateway office is in Little Rock, over a 100 
mile drive so someone from gateway will have to spend at least a full day at 
this or they will have to hire a local lawyer. Yeah this guy is a bit Pod but 
he has been hung up on by Gateway tech support no less than 3 times in the 
last few days.

   I by no means claim to understand the law but in my mind their is a valid 
legal point here. Gateway is selling systems built with hardware that is NOT 
supposed to be installed together. 
This would be like Ford selling a car with rims that were 15" X  8" and 
putting on tires that were recommended by the manufacturer to go on a rim no 
smaller than 15 " X 10" , I would assume that when the tires failed to 
preform correctly  ford would be forced to rectify the parts mismatch.

   Also if the system that you are talking about Moureen is about 3 years old 
Gateway could have a BIG problem here, possibly a class action law suit.
  If they want to sell third rate hardware to customers that do not know any 
better they deserve it.

  Any legal prows out there with any opinions?

Marc

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Re: [newbie] Gateway BURN IN HELL!! RANT Kind of long

2004-03-23 Thread Marc

>
> I had the same problem with a friend of mine who wanted to try Linux.  I
> also had a spare harddrive that had linux already on it.  We took his
> out and put mine in and it would start to boot and then just stall.
> Couldn't get into the BIOS at all.  We put his old disk in and it was
> recongized just fine but had to reinstall windows.  This is a 3 year old
> gateway.  He tried to install linux on the original harddrive and all
> went well until reboot.  Again we couldn't get into the bios.  Now that
> I know what the problem is I can reformat his drive with partition majic
> and he can use the restore disk.  Although it doesn't surprise me in the
> least, gateway and gates, both suck.



  Moureen I seem to be getting close to the bottom of this. From what I have 
found it is NOT a problem with linux. I have spent a lot more time 
troubleshooting than I really should have. If I was to put any reasonable 
value on my time I could have purchased a couple of new motherboards by now. 
I guess I just don't like to be beaten by a POS hardware problem or a low 
life company that sells junk like this.
   This is what I have found so far. I installed a old Seagate 8 geg HDD model 
ST38410A in the Gateway, ML 10.0 installed , rebooted and ran just fine. I 
then downloaded Powermax from Maxtor and did a low level format on the Maxtor 
HDD from Gateway to insure that any and all hidden partitions and all data 
that Gateway had on it was 100% removed. I then tried it again and got the 
same old result. After installing ML the BIOS could no longer see the HDD.
I did another low level format and again installed the drive in the gateway 
the BIOS could again detect the drive but this time I ran the diagnostic 
utility on the powermax disk and got the result of a ERROR BIOS Extension 
support failed.

   After this I have to conclude that Gates way is selling some models of 
computers where the BIOS on the MOBO does not fully or correctly support the 
hard drives supplied with the computers.

  At this moment the owner of the gateway machine is on the phone with gateway 
demanding a replacement MOBO or a replacement drive of the same size that is 
100% supported by his MOBO or a full refund.  If he meets to much resistance 
from gate way he is going to inform them that this matter will be taken to 
small claims court and that the papers will be filed in Mountain Home 
Arkansas the town that we live near. After doing some research into Arkansas 
law if we understand it correctly a representative from gateway will have to 
appear in court in Mountain Home AR or a automatic judgment will be made 
against Gateway. The closest Gateway office is in Little Rock, over a 100 
mile drive so someone from gateway will have to spend at least a full day at 
this or they will have to hire a local lawyer. Yeah this guy is a bit Pod but 
he has been hung up on by Gateway tech support no less than 3 times in the 
last few days.

   I by no means claim to understand the law but in my mind their is a valid 
legal point here. Gateway is selling systems built with hardware that is NOT 
supposed to be installed together. 
This would be like Ford selling a car with rims that were 15" X  8" and 
putting on tires that were recommended by the manufacturer to go on a rim no 
smaller than 15 " X 10" , I would assume that when the tires failed to 
preform correctly  ford would be forced to rectify the parts mismatch.

   Also if the system that you are talking about Moureen is about 3 years old 
Gateway could have a BIG problem here, possibly a class action law suit.
  If they want to sell third rate hardware to customers that do not know any 
better they deserve it.

  Any legal prows out there with any opinions?

Marc

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[newbie] test

2004-03-23 Thread Drew Martin
test


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Re: [newbie] cannot login with mdkdm

2004-03-23 Thread Greg Meyer
On Monday 22 March 2004 10:35 pm, fengler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just installed Mandrake 10 community edition.
> Now I got the following problem:
>
> I installed with mode Paranoid so root should be generally unable to login
> XSession or console.
>
Perhaps this document will help you understand how msec works.

http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php
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Re: [newbie] openoffice with spanish corrector?

2004-03-23 Thread Marc Lijour

Go to openoffice.org and download the dico installer (it is a OOo file
that spawns this nice installer).
OOo website has mirror sites for all languages available.

Also check out StarOffice if your are educ people (free for us!).

> Hi, everybody, I just installed mdk 10...it seems to work very well, I
> havent tested it very hard yet, though...
> My problem is that Windows spoiled me very much as an ex-windows user I
> found spanish corrector in Word as an excellent tool, but I cannot see
> it in  openoffice package..does anyone know anything about this?
> Thanks
> Fabian.
>
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Re: [newbie] I need my scanner

2004-03-23 Thread Margot
Inhabitant of Zion wrote:
Hi All

I need to use my scanner and despite my best attempts I can't get Xsane
to work under MDK10.
When ever I try to use it I get all kinds of silly errors (The scanner
worked last week under 9.2).
What I need is an alternative to Xsane that I can try to get working.

Anybody seem anything that has RPMs for 10?

Regards

Kooka (part of KDE)

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[newbie] openoffice with spanish corrector?

2004-03-23 Thread di di
Hi, everybody, I just installed mdk 10...it seems to work very well, I 
havent tested it very hard yet, though...
My problem is that Windows spoiled me very much as an ex-windows user I 
found spanish corrector in Word as an excellent tool, but I cannot see it in 
openoffice package..does anyone know anything about this?
Thanks
Fabian.

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[newbie] win2k network printer

2004-03-23 Thread adi setiawan
In my local network, i use linux as a main server installed with samba. And
there is windows 2k printer server, which is actually a client with shared
printer (network printer) and also there is another linux client (mandrake).
All the clients has been connected under the same samba domain.

the problem is, i cannot install the network printer to the mandrake client.
How can I connect mandrake client to network printer? Can anybody tell or
show me how to do this?
thank you.

regards,
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Re: [newbie] Monitor in sleep mode.

2004-03-23 Thread John Richard Smith
Dan Gordon wrote:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:00:18 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

I don't think it's that simple. The TCO symbol means the monitor
itself can do this, I know in theory the bios ought to shut it down
if you can set it as such not all bioses can.
I think windblows has some other piece of mechanism to work
with both the bios and the monitor to make this co-operate.
I cannot speak for M9.2 + M10 because I don't have them,
but up to M9.1 there just does not seem any way of turning the
sleep mode off. I just live with it, it doesn't affect the important
apps like mplayer etc, and since I like a blank black screen when
the computer is idle , to my mind that's OK. What did I do,
I set screensaver at 20 mins, and somehow I set blank black
monitor at 60 minutes ( although I like a blank black screen
I don't want it flicking into it all the damn time, it irritates)
but I cannot remember how I set the 60 minutes . Sorry
my memory fails me. But you have to have a blank black
screen after some time or other regardless. Cannot completely
turn it off, and as I say I came to the conclusion the monitor
itself is the thing that is doing it for you, not bios, I think
the monitor listens out for "events" and awakes itself
should the need arrise, and that maybe what happens if
you are running programmes in the background and
suddenly the users attention is called for so it wakes the
monitor up by listening out for this. I guess there is
a technical imput back and forth between the monitor
and the bus and the internet if that is on as well, I don't
really know that much about it all. However, does
not being able to turn off monitor sleep mode ,  matter ?
   

Hehehe you know it really does not matter, it just never did this
before.  I have been running 9.2 since it came out and always woke up to
xscreensaver's pyro.  since i reinstalled 9.2 last week was the first
time i ever saw this behaviour. Anyhow it really does not matter i
guess.  Could this be "a ghost in the machine" ?  naaa
Regards,
Dan Gordon
 

Well maybe there is a way then.

There is the setterm command,

try looking at settern --help, or man setterm
and see if any of those work ?
Just a possibility
John

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[newbie] OT Email problems

2004-03-23 Thread Inhabitant of Zion
Hi

I seem to be having problems with my emails being rejected by loads of
different people. It would seem somebody has reported my IP as being
that of a spammer. I get this message:

Connected to 137.205.128.7 but sender was rejected. Remote host said:
550 5.7.1 Rejected: 82.36.99.231 listed at rbl-plus.mail-abuse.ja.net

How do I find out why my IP has been listed as a mail abuser and what
can I do about it?

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Re: [newbie] Monitor in sleep mode.

2004-03-23 Thread Dan Gordon
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:00:18 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't think it's that simple. The TCO symbol means the monitor
> itself can do this, I know in theory the bios ought to shut it down
> if you can set it as such not all bioses can.
> I think windblows has some other piece of mechanism to work
> with both the bios and the monitor to make this co-operate.
> I cannot speak for M9.2 + M10 because I don't have them,
> but up to M9.1 there just does not seem any way of turning the
> sleep mode off. I just live with it, it doesn't affect the important
> apps like mplayer etc, and since I like a blank black screen when
> the computer is idle , to my mind that's OK. What did I do,
> I set screensaver at 20 mins, and somehow I set blank black
> monitor at 60 minutes ( although I like a blank black screen
> I don't want it flicking into it all the damn time, it irritates)
> but I cannot remember how I set the 60 minutes . Sorry
> my memory fails me. But you have to have a blank black
> screen after some time or other regardless. Cannot completely
> turn it off, and as I say I came to the conclusion the monitor
> itself is the thing that is doing it for you, not bios, I think
> the monitor listens out for "events" and awakes itself
> should the need arrise, and that maybe what happens if
> you are running programmes in the background and
> suddenly the users attention is called for so it wakes the
> monitor up by listening out for this. I guess there is
> a technical imput back and forth between the monitor
> and the bus and the internet if that is on as well, I don't
> really know that much about it all. However, does
> not being able to turn off monitor sleep mode ,  matter ?
> 
 
Hehehe you know it really does not matter, it just never did this
before.  I have been running 9.2 since it came out and always woke up to
xscreensaver's pyro.  since i reinstalled 9.2 last week was the first
time i ever saw this behaviour. Anyhow it really does not matter i
guess.  Could this be "a ghost in the machine" ?  naaa

Regards,
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[newbie] Screen Resolution & Refresh Rate

2004-03-23 Thread Beavers, Randy W.

All,

How do I tell the "Monitor" to change Screen
Resolution & Refresh Rates? It's stuck at 460x480.

I'am looking at a big desktop through a little window.
That I push around with mouse.
 
Running MandrakeMove on a Dell P4 MM doesn't have drivers 
for the Intel 82865gG graghics card, but all the Intel drivers
doing the same thing. MM has the right monitor.


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Re: [newbie] playing .WMV files

2004-03-23 Thread LtCdData
On Tuesday 23 Mar 2004 H:32, Tadimeti Keshav wrote:
mplayer plays .WMA files fine 
make sure you have also got the codecs for it 
and put them into your /usr/lib/win32 dir

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design6/news.html

> Hi
> I have MDK 9.1, I am not able to play .WMV movie
> files. Has any one had success with this?
>
> How about .WMA audio files?
>
> THanks
> Tk
>
>
>
>
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Re: [newbie] Reinstalling bad programs

2004-03-23 Thread Derek Jennings
On Tuesday 23 Mar 2004 12:31, Derek Jennings wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 Mar 2004 12:05, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> > I have some programs XMMS, kmail, & konqueror that apparantly have some
> > bad config files.  I have reinstalled them but they are still not good.
> > How can I reinstall and clear everything assosciated with that file from
> > the computer or at least overwrite everything.
> >
> > Regards;
> > Hoyt
>
> The config files are kept in hidden files/folders in your /home
> Just set konq to show hidden files and you will be able to find them.
>
> Another useful tool is slocate and kio_locate.  (kio_locate is in the
> contrib mirror)
> Install those packages  (install anacron too) and then run updatedb as
> root. You can then find any file on your computer to do with those apps.
> For example from the command line use 'slocate xmms'
> From konqueror enter  locate://xmms/  in the url line
>
Sorry Typo. That should read  locate:/xmms/

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Re: [newbie] cannot login with mdkdm

2004-03-23 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Monday 22 March 2004 10:35 pm, fengler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just installed Mandrake 10 community edition.
> Now I got the following problem:
>
> I installed with mode Paranoid so root should be generally unable to login
> XSession or console.

I don't think that paranoid level prevents root login entirely, it simply sets 
a default to prevent root login remotely.  I am not sure why you would want 
to entirely prevent root login from the console, that may be the only way to 
get into fix problems if something were to get corrupted on the hard drives, 
like say, the /home partition were corrupted.
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Re: [newbie] Reinstalling bad programs

2004-03-23 Thread Derek Jennings
On Tuesday 23 Mar 2004 12:05, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> I have some programs XMMS, kmail, & konqueror that apparantly have some
> bad config files.  I have reinstalled them but they are still not good.
> How can I reinstall and clear everything assosciated with that file from
> the computer or at least overwrite everything.
>
> Regards;
> Hoyt
The config files are kept in hidden files/folders in your /home
Just set konq to show hidden files and you will be able to find them.

Another useful tool is slocate and kio_locate.  (kio_locate is in the contrib 
mirror)
Install those packages  (install anacron too) and then run updatedb as root.
You can then find any file on your computer to do with those apps.
For example from the command line use 'slocate xmms'   
From konqueror enter  locate://xmms/  in the url line 

A cron job will run daily to reindex the locate database (that is why anacron 
is required)

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Re: [newbie] Reinstalling bad programs

2004-03-23 Thread Aron Smith
On Tuesday 23 March 2004 04:05 am, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> I have some programs XMMS, kmail, & konqueror that apparantly have some
> bad config files.  I have reinstalled them but they are still not good.
> How can I reinstall and clear everything assosciated with that file from
> the computer or at least overwrite everything.
Did you uninstall witha urpme
then reinstall using urpmi ?
>
> Regards;
> Hoyt


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RE: [newbie] playing .WMV files

2004-03-23 Thread John Hanagan

I used the mplayer rpm found at the penguin liberation front, 

http://plf.zarb.org/



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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:32:58 + (GMT)

Subject: [newbie] playing .WMV files



HiI have MDK 9.1, I am not able to play .WMV moviefiles. Has any one had 
success with this?How about .WMA audio files?THanksTk  

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[newbie] Update KDE using CD

2004-03-23 Thread Fajar Priyanto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi all,
I get this CD from a Linux magazine consisting KDE3.2.
Can I update my KDE3.1 using it? How?
TIA.
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vxx2n+yzlscaZ4jey7XGk9s=
=453y
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Re: [newbie] Reinstalling bad programs

2004-03-23 Thread Fajar Priyanto
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On Tuesday 23 March 2004 07:05 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> I have some programs XMMS, kmail, & konqueror that apparantly have some
> bad config files.  I have reinstalled them but they are still not good.
> How can I reinstall and clear everything assosciated with that file from
> the computer or at least overwrite everything.
>
> Regards;
> Hoyt
Hoyt, I'm pretty sure you will get kmail working again. Check the kmail 
thread.
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Re: [newbie] pop services and mandrake 8.2

2004-03-23 Thread frankieh
Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 09:51, Wilson, Jack wrote:

I just installed a Mandrake 8.2 server (have to use 8.2) and selected
the mail and server options during install. Everything installed and I
rebooted and checked in Mandrake Control Center and checked services and
postfix installed, but I did not see imap installed. For my pop
services, I am assuming I need imap installed, but I do not see any
option to install it, nor during the initial install when I select
individual packages I do not see imap listed. This server will send and
receive e-mail and the clients will access via pop.


1) Do I need imap for pop services? 
Run rpmdrake and choose imap in the search. And no, you don't NEED imap
for pop, but it's nice to have if you're wanting to "share" mail.

2) How do I install imap if I need it? Remember I am a newbie here.
As above.

3) If imap is not needed what do I need to have pop services on the
mandrake 8.2 system?
Just postfix or sendmail. I prefer sendmail but there'll be alot of
banter on the list over this configuration; it's just I've come from a
Redhat background and have used sendmail for years - and on top of that,
most of the antivirus packages and antispam packages like sendmail...
stephen kuhn - owner
Normally I agree with Stephen on all things mandrake.

but in this case I don't..

postfix is just an MTA, it can't do pop or imap..
The pop3 services is provided with the imap package.
(it does both.)
so open a root terminal, and type:
urpmi imap
and it will install them.

Then go to /etc/xinetd.d
and look in there for the files pop3 and/or imap
(depending on which you want.)
open the relevant file and make sure that its not disabled.
then reload xinetd with:
service xinetd reload
I do the same thing here, except I tunnel pop3 and imap over shh so I 
have only encrypted services.



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[newbie] Reinstalling bad programs

2004-03-23 Thread Hoyt Bailey
I have some programs XMMS, kmail, & konqueror that apparantly have some 
bad config files.  I have reinstalled them but they are still not good.  
How can I reinstall and clear everything assosciated with that file from 
the computer or at least overwrite everything.

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[newbie] clean LCD of laptop

2004-03-23 Thread QingHua Wang
Hi there,

I am just curious about how you guys clean the LCD of your laptops, or LCD 
monitors. Last time I did that with a soft cloth. Any other ways? Many 
thanks.

Bests,

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RE: [newbie] Intel Video Card

2004-03-23 Thread Tobias Cloete
Wel, It works 100% on the box. Was just wandering...

:)

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Sent: 23 March 2004 11:32 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] Intel Video Card


Hi,
I'm installing MDK10 Community on a GX100 Dell box. It's a P3 with a
Intel 810 Video card.

Will the video card work?
It didn't on die RC1.

They say its non public video drivers?
It's a onboard screen card and it works very nice.

Regards,
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Re: [newbie]

2004-03-23 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Tuesday 23 March 2004 00:33, Chuck Mattsen wrote:
>
> Okay, I've obviously still have a lot of learning to do before I
> understand this process, as I'm at a loss at this point.  Perhaps
> it's more difficult and/or undoable because I'm dealing with
> existing WinXP/NTFS and Linux/Ext3 partitions, and a block of free
> space smack dab in the middle, and it would be a simpler process if
> installing Linux from scratch at this point?
>
I would think so.

> In short, my previous setup (prior to resizing the XP partition
> downward in size was, roughly, a 40GB drive split thusly:
>  25GB NTFS/XP partition, followed by a
>  15GB logical partition, consisting of /, swap and /home
>
> I resized the XP partition down to 15GB, freeing up an
> approximately 10GB block of drive, so I now have it sitting between
> hda1 and hda5 ...
>
> Partition Manager (which I'm still learning and getting used to)
> seems to only want to offer the option to create another primary
> drive out of that free space -or- give me the option of extending
> the logical drive containing hda5, swap and hda7.
>
- From the PM point of view, create your fat32 partition for data 
immediately after the ntfs partition - you could do this from XP 
instead, I think.  For the rest of the drive just ignore it in PM.

> Again, I'm confused and admittedly still pretty ignorant about this
> whole process.  Have I blundered already in my shrinking of the
> NTFS position and leaving the block of "free" space in the midst
> there, or am I just missing some important concept here?  (A
> somewhat rhetorical question, as I know I'm missing a lot in terms
> of knowledge of the process).

The best way, I think, once you have that fat32 partition created, is 
to start a new install.  When you get to the partitioning tool I 
think you have to select 'expert' or 'advanced' or some such, to get 
full choice of what to do.

Then you simply remove the linux partitions that have already been 
created (you don't normally need to do this, it's just so that you 
can make better use of the space you have).  Then you create 
partitions within the free space.  How big they are depends on what 
you want to store.  This is the output from df for my partitions:

FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hdf1 5.3G  2.5G  2.6G  49% /
/dev/hde5 5.9G  5.0G  909M  85% /Data
/dev/hde6 5.7G  1.2G  4.6G  21% /Graphics
/dev/hde81012M  9.8M  951M   2% /boot
/dev/hde9 9.7G  4.5G  5.3G  46% /home

/boot is an advantage if you intend having multiple versions of 
Mandrake, but it doesn't need to be as big as I have it.  You don't 
actually need it at all, it's really a convenience.  You can see that 
for me /home needs to be around twice as big as root, but then I run 
win4lin, which means that a whole windows installation is in there, 
as well as some windows apps that I can't do without.  Based on that, 
you should be able to make sensible choices.  HTH

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Re: [newbie] Monitor in sleep mode.

2004-03-23 Thread John Richard Smith
Dan Gordon wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:30:29 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Dan Gordon wrote:

   

Yes its definetly in a fixed interval but is a longer time than 15
minutes, more like an hour but I'm not sure exactly. I have turned
off power control in kde both as user and in root.
Regards,
Dan Gordon


 

Is this a CRT with TCO the energy savng thing ?
John
   

Yes its a CRT with that energy saving stuff but I have turned it off in the BIOS and in kde, xscreensaver and wherever I could find an option to do so.  Ive never had this happen before, Just reinstalled everything a week ago and it started to go into suspend after a period of time at least an hour.  Its got me beat all to heck.

Regards,
Dan Gordon
 

I don't think it's that simple. The TCO symbol means the monitor itself
can do this, I know in theory the bios ought to shut it down
if you can set it as such not all bioses can.
I think windblows has some other piece of mechanism to work
with both the bios and the monitor to make this co-operate.
I cannot speak for M9.2 + M10 because I don't have them,
but up to M9.1 there just does not seem any way of turning the
sleep mode off. I just live with it, it doesn't affect the important apps
like mplayer etc, and since I like a blank black screen when
the computer is idle , to my mind that's OK. What did I do,
I set screensaver at 20 mins, and somehow I set blank black
monitor at 60 minutes ( although I like a blank black screen
I don't want it flicking into it all the damn time, it irritates)
but I cannot remember how I set the 60 minutes . Sorry
my memory fails me. But you have to have a blank black
screen after some time or other regardless. Cannot completely
turn it off, and as I say I came to the conclusion the monitor
itself is the thing that is doing it for you, not bios, I think
the monitor listens out for "events" and awakes itself
should the need arrise, and that maybe what happens if
you are running programmes in the background and
suddenly the users attention is called for so it wakes the
monitor up by listening out for this. I guess there is
a technical imput back and forth between the monitor
and the bus and the internet if that is on as well, I don't
really know that much about it all. However, does
not being able to turn off monitor sleep mode ,  matter ?
John

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10 -- Excellent...but...

2004-03-23 Thread Derek Jennings
On Tuesday 23 Mar 2004 07:23, John Wilson wrote:

> The second issue is more troubling.  When setting up internet connection
> sharing the wizard fscks all networking.  I can always reach the internet
> before I set it up but not after.  I admit I haven't had the time yet to
> look too deeply into it so I don't  know whether or not it's the shorewall
> installation, the "transparent" proxy or if it just screws up the settings
> on the NIC. What I have noticed is that the wizard insists on setting up my
> eth1 card which is the one the internet connects to as static and eth0 as
> dhcp. It should be the other way around.  This was a problem with the older
> releases up to 9.1 when it suddenly worked as I wanted it to.  Ditto with
> 9.2.  10 seems to have taken a step backwards in assuming that eth0 is the
> one heading to the outside world.  Nevertheless, it's caused some headache
> and I've been wondering if anyone else has experienced this.
>
> It's not a big problem as I can set it all up manually if needs must.
>
> Incidentally, the machines installed on are an old Dell Dimension and a
> newer Sony Viao desktop.  Next victim will be my laptop :)
>
> ttfn
>
> (a generally very happy)
>
> John



The Internet connection wizard has always assumed eth0 connects to the 
Internet. We have had many posts about this with 9.2 and 9.1.
This causes problems with shorewall especially on ADSL connections using pppoa 
where the internet connection is ppp0 and eth0 is usually the local network. 
I was hoping 10.0 might be a bit smarter. Apparently it isn't :-(

The workaround is to edit /etc/shorewall/interfaces by hand to correctly 
identify the correct interface.

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Re: [newbie] Opening terminal adds users

2004-03-23 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 13:26, Chris wrote:

> Don't know Stephen, any way I can find out?

Tune the system - especially the HD settings; reboot.

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Re: [newbie] camera-usb mass storage what dev is it?

2004-03-23 Thread Aaron
well I am not sure what you have done so far.

I found a directory called camera under /mnt/camera

I mount it and all is well.

That is in my Fedora partition.

At first I played around like you are but now I don't have to at all.

Maybe Fedora has an automount for usb??

I couldn't get MD 10 to read my partition table so I couldn't install.

But from here it seems that something isn't quite right on your system.


boy I a stumped

Aaron
On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 17:38, Jerry wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:32:03 +0700
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Quoting "Troy T. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > 
> > Not listed as /dev/sda1? Strange.
> > However, you can watch what is happening by doing:
> > tail -f /var/log/messages when you plug-in the camera.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> Mar 14 09:36:35 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 4
> Mar 14 09:36:36 localhost kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
> Mar 14 09:36:36 localhost kernel:   Vendor: Fujifilm  Model: FinePix 1400Zoom  Rev: 
> 1000
> Mar 14 09:36:36 localhost kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI 
> SCSI revision: 02
> Mar 14 09:36:36 localhost modprobe: FATAL: Module scsimon not found. 
> Mar 14 09:36:36 localhost modprobe: FATAL: Module scsimon not found. 
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda : status=0, message=00, host=7, driver=00 
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda : sense not available. 
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda: assuming Write Enabled
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda : status=0, message=00, host=7, driver=00 
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda : sense not available. 
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda: assuming Write Enabled
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda : status=0, message=00, host=7, driver=00 
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda : sense not available. 
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda: assuming Write Enabled
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel:  /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0:<3>Buffer I/O 
> error on device sda, logical block 0
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 
> 0
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 
> 262143
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 
> 262143
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: ldm_validate_partition_table(): Disk read failed.
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel:  unable to read partition table
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel:  /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0:<3>Buffer I/O 
> error on device sda, logical block 0
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 262143
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: ldm_validate_partition_table(): Disk read failed.
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel:  unable to read partition table
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 
> 0, id 0, lun 0
> Mar 14 09:36:42 localhost kernel: Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi1, channel 0, id 
> 0, lun 0,  type 0
> Mar 14 09:36:43 localhost scsi.agent[10473]: disk at 
> /devices/pci:00/:00:04.2/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0/host1/1:0:0:0
> 
> so is the important line the modprobe:FATAL one?  This is a bit over my head.  if it 
> can't find the module how do i tell it where to find it / where do i look for it?  
> thanks.
> 
> it looks like it's trying to attach it at /dev/sda but I get 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] dev]# cat sda
> cat: sda: Input/output error
> 
> Someone mentioned hotplug... hotplug is installed and running.
> 
> I tried locate scsimon (yep.. i ran updatedb first) but it didn't return anything.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 
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[newbie] Intel Video Card

2004-03-23 Thread Tobias Cloete

Hi,
I'm installing MDK10 Community on a GX100 Dell box. It's a P3 with a
Intel 810 Video card.

Will the video card work?
It didn't on die RC1.

They say its non public video drivers?
It's a onboard screen card and it works very nice.

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[newbie] Fixed My Sound (MDK 10)

2004-03-23 Thread Sweeney, Stephen
Hi All,

I have just fixed my sound so I thought I'd share exactly what I did incase
anyone else is still struggling.

I'm running Mandrake 10 CE on a Vaio Laptop. The install went perfectly but
KDE crashed instantly and continued to do so until I switched off the sound
using Kcontrol via IceWM. Neither XMMS nor Mplayer would play nicely with
the sound, so I decided to try doing a lot of stuff to sort it out (since
I've heard that KDE 3.2 uses a different sound method and it buggers with
other things). Basically I did the following (it is quite possible that the
last step is actually the only thing that made the difference!),

1) I removed arts 1.2 (forced)
2) I removed xmms 1.2.9 (forced)
3) I installed arts 1.1.3 (forced)
4) I installed xmms 1.1.3 (forced)

After a reboot I still had no joy, so I finally went into Mandrake control's
hardware config tool and had a look at the sound driver,

It was set to snd-via82xx, which didn't look right... So I changed to driver
to the alternative via82xx driver, rebooted and now everything works.

Sorry if that sounds really wooly but I'm posting this from work and can't
get to my laptop to see what I used. Hope this helps some people... Now I
can get on with coding Blob Wars : Metal Blob Solid! :)

Stevie :)

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[newbie] I need my scanner

2004-03-23 Thread Inhabitant of Zion
Hi All

I need to use my scanner and despite my best attempts I can't get Xsane
to work under MDK10.

When ever I try to use it I get all kinds of silly errors (The scanner
worked last week under 9.2).

What I need is an alternative to Xsane that I can try to get working.

Anybody seem anything that has RPMs for 10?

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RE: [newbie] xml and grep

2004-03-23 Thread Tony S. Sykes
Thanks everyone I will be putting this into practice asap to save my fingers.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carl J. Bauman
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] xml and grep


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 02:53:50PM +, Tony S. Sykes wrote:
>  
>
>>Help, I have my web limited by my company now, so I can't google till tomorrow. I 
>>need help with parsing an xml file. I need to cut out a fax number from the file. 
>>Easy enough I though just grep and cut the line, but the whole file is one line. I 
>>know this is a simple command but I can't work it out on my own, and with out google 
>>(strange how easy you get attached to things) I am stuck. Please help.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Tony.
>>
>>
>
>So, assuming the xml fax line was something like
>
>123-456-7890
>
>  
>

Assuming the same tags as above, this would probably work also:

cat fax.xml | perl -n -e ' print "$1\n" if /(.+)<\/fax>/; '

HTH,
Carl




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