date:20040620

On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 08:01, Luan Pham wrote:
> When I do a restore last night.  Each time I try to add a address to
> Contact, and Evolution Contact just hang.  It try to do query on Contact
> for a long time.   How do I correct this? 

You did a restore, from, er, what? Did you reinstall your OS? Is the
version different? Is GTK different? Is Python different? Are all the
attributes correct?

stephen kuhn - proprietor
==
illawarra computer services
a kuhn media australia company
http://kma.0catch.com
mobile: 0410.728.389
--
  * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer *
  We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents
--
  Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products

Exercise caution in your daily affairs.

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] MS and DRM

On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 06:33, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> On Sunday 20 June 2004 12:43, JoeHill wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:45:12 -0400
> > Edgars Smits disseminated the following:
> > 
> > > I'm surprised, Stephen, I would have thought you of all people would 
> > > recognise sarcasm
> > 
> > Oh, I'm sure he saw the sarcasm. But you gotta understand, Stephen's 
> one o'
> > those people who just can't resist declaring to all the world his deep 
> and
> > abiding hatred for all things M$, it's like OCD or something. I've 
> tried, Oh
> > Lord how I've tried, to help him overcome it, but with no success.
> > 
> Stephen is the sane one.

...tell that to Tina.

stephen kuhn - proprietor
==
illawarra computer services
a kuhn media australia company
http://kma.0catch.com
mobile: 0410.728.389
--
  * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer *
  We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents
--
  Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products

All kings is mostly rapscallions. --Mark Twain



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] MS and DRM

On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 03:43, JoeHill wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:45:12 -0400
> Edgars Smits disseminated the following:
> 
> > I'm surprised, Stephen, I would have thought you of all people would 
> > recognise sarcasm
> 
> Oh, I'm sure he saw the sarcasm. But you gotta understand, Stephen's one o'
> those people who just can't resist declaring to all the world his deep and
> abiding hatred for all things M$, it's like OCD or something. I've tried, Oh
> Lord how I've tried, to help him overcome it, but with no success.

Your efforts at defending my position are well honoured and much
appreciated. You fully understand my position and philosophy, even if
you're lying through your nose. (g)

stephen kuhn - proprietor
==
illawarra computer services
a kuhn media australia company
http://kma.0catch.com
mobile: 0410.728.389
--
  * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer *
  We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents
--
  Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products

You don't have to explain something you never said. -- Calvin Coolidge

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] MS and DRM

On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 06:29, Aron Smith wrote:
> On Sunday 20 June 2004 10:43 am, JoeHill wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:45:12 -0400
> >
> > Edgars Smits disseminated the following:
> > > I'm surprised, Stephen, I would have thought you of all people would
> > > recognise sarcasm
> >
> > Oh, I'm sure he saw the sarcasm. But you gotta understand, Stephen's one o'
> > those people who just can't resist declaring to all the world his deep and
> > abiding hatred for all things M$, it's like OCD or something. I've tried,
> > Oh Lord how I've tried, to help him overcome it, but with no success.
> Take him a moose and a bong ;-)

Ha! I stopped drinking and I ain't smoked dope for a decade.
Coffee, smokes and roast lamb, mate.

stephen kuhn - proprietor
==
illawarra computer services
a kuhn media australia company
http://kma.0catch.com
mobile: 0410.728.389
--
  * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer *
  We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents
--
  Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products

My mother drinks to forget she drinks. -- Crazy Jimmy



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] MS and DRM

On Sunday 20 June 2004 17:55, JoeHill wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:18:33 -0500
> Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following:
> 
> > > > Stephen is the sane one.
> > > 
> > > Heh, now someone really did miss the sarcasm...
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > Read your homepage.
> 
> Is that 'I just read your homepage' or 'Read your homepage', ie. as a 
command?
> 
> Damn you are one inscrutable dude ;-)
*I just read your homepage* but you can read if if you want.  That will 
be assumed to be giving you my permission to read your on homepage.  So 
be it.

-- 
Regards;
Hoyt


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] clear and ls

On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 01:53, OOzy wrote:
> How can I write two commands at the same time? For example, clear and
> ls. I would like to clear the screen before and I do ls?

Make a script, put it in your ~/bin directory and make it executable:

Here's one I use occasionally:

#!/bin/sh
# cls - clear screen and list
clear
ls -CFaldh | less

...just create a text file, place those commands in there, put it in
your /home/mynamegoeshere/bin directory, then do a chmod +x cls - and
you're done.

stephen kuhn - proprietor
==
illawarra computer services
a kuhn media australia company
http://kma.0catch.com
mobile: 0410.728.389
--
  * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer *
  We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents
--
  Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products

Not all men who drink are poets. Some of us drink because we aren't
poets.

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Bad signature

On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 01:32, OOzy wrote:
> I tried to install libsvga... but it told me bad signature. I clicked
> yes. Is that a problem? Please see below
> 
>  urpmi libsvgalib1-1.9.18-1mdk.i586.rpm
> 
> The following packages have bad signatures:
> libsvgalib1-1.9.18-1mdk.i586.rpm: Invalid signature ((SHA1) DSA sha1 md5
> (GPG) (MISSING KEY) GPG#78d019f5 NOT OK)
> Do you want to continue installation ? (y/N) y
> installing libsvgalib1-1.9.18-1mdk.i586.rpm
> Preparing...   
> ##
>1:libsvgalib1   
> ##

But it did install, correct? If so, then you should be good to go mate.

stephen kuhn - proprietor
==
illawarra computer services
a kuhn media australia company
http://kma.0catch.com
mobile: 0410.728.389
--
  * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer *
  We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents
--
  Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products

Your worst looking field will always be next to the paved road used by
your banker and most of your neighbours. -- Macadam's Law



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] MS and DRM

On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 23:45, Edgars Smits wrote:
> I'm surprised, Stephen, I would have thought you of all people would 
> recognise sarcasm
> 
> ED
> 
> Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 06:45, Edgars Smits wrote:
> 
> >>Since so many of us do love that DRM
> 
> > Ed - notice my signature - look through the archives - I've been against
> > DRM from the onset of it's proposal.

Sorry - it's been one of those weeks - bombarded with M$ crap left right
and centre - trying to get all my customers over to Mozilla Firefox and
Thunderbird, fighting bugs, yadda yadda yadda...sure ya unnerstan man...

stephen kuhn - proprietor
==
illawarra computer services
a kuhn media australia company
http://kma.0catch.com
mobile: 0410.728.389
--
  * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer *
  We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents
--
  Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products

aquadextrous, adj.: Possessing the ability to turn the bathtub faucet on
and off with your toes. -- Rich Hall, "Sniglets"

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] MS and DRM

2004-06-20 Thread JoeHill

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:18:33 -0500
Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following:

> > > Stephen is the sane one.
> > 
> > Heh, now someone really did miss the sarcasm...
> > 
> > -- 
> Read your homepage.

Is that 'I just read your homepage' or 'Read your homepage', ie. as a command?

Damn you are one inscrutable dude ;-)

-- 
JoeHill RLU #282046 /  www.orderinchaos.org
18:51:12 up 3 days, 14 min, 7 users, load average: 0.61, 0.27, 0.10
+++
"Behind every great fortune is a crime." -- Balzac


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

[newbie] problems typing some characters

2004-06-20 Thread Pieter Botha

Hi there
Whet hitting the " key, nothing happens. I have to hit " and then space 
to get a double quotation.
Hitting " and then o gives me ö, so I guess this setup is to support 
special characters, but I dont want that.

This happens in console and in X.
Any ideas?
Regards
Pieter

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

[newbie] Evolution 1.4.6 Contact

2004-06-20 Thread Luan Pham

When I do a restore last night.  Each time I try to add a address to
Contact, and Evolution Contact just hang.  It try to do query on Contact
for a long time.   How do I correct this? 
-- 
Luan Pham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Uninstall

2004-06-20 Thread Cezary Morga

Dnia nie 20. czerwca 2004 21:56, Hoyt Bailey napisał:
> On Sunday 20 June 2004 11:55, OOzy wrote:
> > On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 18:57, mike wrote:
> > > OOzy wrote:
> > > > How to un-install a program using rpm or urpmi?

btw. have you tried using rpmdrake?
If you have this very useful program try :
rpmdrake-remove --root or as a root simply rpmdrake-remove
it should be in /usr/sbin/
It's a graphical frontend for package managing on a Mandrake Linux. I believe 
you should have it on your distribution cd (in MDK 10.0 it is for sure).
-- 
Cezary Morga ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) GG# 169903


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] clear and ls

2004-06-20 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Greg Meyer wrote:
On Sunday 20 June 2004 03:16 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
On Sunday 20 June 2004 10:53, OOzy wrote:
How can I write two commands at the same time? For example, clear and
ls. I would like to clear the screen before and I do ls?
clear && ls

you can add this line to your /etc/profile.d/alias.sh file to make ls do this 
by default

alias ls="clear && ls"
Now every time you type ls, the screen will clear first.
Unless clear fails - then ls will not run, and you will wonder why.
Clear will fail if your terminal type is set wrong - not usualy a 
problem, but it can be with remote logins.

Mikkel
--
  Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup!


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Purchase enquiry

2004-06-20 Thread Terence Golightly

On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 16:27, Aron Smith wrote:
> On Sunday 20 June 2004 07:08 am, Poogle wrote:
> > On Sunday 20 Jun 2004 13:40, Terence Golightly wrote:
> > > Poggle,
> 
>  > On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 05:38, Poogle wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 19 Jun 2004 22:50, Terence Golightly wrote:
> 

> It was probably made in a converted bicycle shop in downtown Baghdad. Who can 
> tell.
I sure they make good bicycles in Baghdad, but I got a novel thought
what about the Twiki? :> And the rest is next:

Ok,  I went and ordered a DVD+/-RW NEC|ND-2500A/BLK w/o SW % for $70 :))


> > > >
> > > > AFAIK Optorite make it, I don't think it is a re-badged product.  I
> > > > have a previous model, the OPTORITE DVD RW DD201, have had no problems
> > > > with it.
> > >
> > > Poggle,
> > >
> > > What I mean is that not that it might be rebadged, but if I'm correct
> > > there are only a limited (3) number of quality automotive handtool
> > > manufacturers in the world and Sears Craftsman tools are made for them
> > > by another to theirs specs (when has Sears & Roebuck made anything
> > > themselves?) that Optorite and other 'names' contracts their manufacture
> > > to another but puts their name on it. I don't think this is quite
> > > rebadging, but? Anybody else have a comment?
> > >
> > > Terry
> > >

> > O.K I see what you mean, but by re-badged I meant sub-contracted to another
> > manufacturer and then badged Optorite. Googling on Optorite I found the 1st
> > 4 hits indicate that they are a manufacturer.

I decided to save some money and get a Twiki approved/aknowledged drive.


Terry
> 
> 
> 
> __
> 
> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
> Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
> Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
> 
Terry Golightly ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Pittsburgh, Pa 
Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel
2.6.3-9mdk-i686-up-4GB 
17:11:20 up 1 day, 3:31, 3 users, load average: 1.23, 1.19, 1.17 

Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down.



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] clear and ls

2004-06-20 Thread Greg Meyer

On Sunday 20 June 2004 03:16 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> On Sunday 20 June 2004 10:53, OOzy wrote:
> > How can I write two commands at the same time? For example, clear and
> > ls. I would like to clear the screen before and I do ls?
>
> clear && ls

you can add this line to your /etc/profile.d/alias.sh file to make ls do this 
by default

alias ls="clear && ls"

Now every time you type ls, the screen will clear first.
-- 
/g


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] MS and DRM

On Sunday 20 June 2004 16:09, JoeHill wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:33:17 -0500
> Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following:
> 
> > Stephen is the sane one.
> 
> Heh, now someone really did miss the sarcasm...
> 
> -- 
Read your homepage.

-- 
Regards;
Hoyt

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] MS and DRM

2004-06-20 Thread JoeHill

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:33:17 -0500
Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following:

> Stephen is the sane one.

Heh, now someone really did miss the sarcasm...

-- 
JoeHill RLU #282046 /  www.orderinchaos.org
17:08:40 up 2 days, 22:31, 7 users, load average: 0.35, 0.22, 0.12
+++
"When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the
poor have no food, they call you a communist." -- Archbishop Helder Camara


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Most efficient, fastest scripting language...

2004-06-20 Thread robin

frankieh wrote:
Asa Rossoff wrote:
From: "OOzy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Asa Rossoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

..
Which of the scripted languages run fastest, and which use ram most
efficiently?
The languages I know (just) a bit about are Perl, Python, and Tcl.

It really depends on personal preference. PHP is popular and rich. I 
don't
know about Perl, Python and Tcl. I think these languages are for 
gurus. If

I
were you I will go for PHP.

I have some past programming experience, and am not afraid of a challenge
for something worthwhile.
My impression is that the currently popular and modern backends for 
web work
are PHP and Python.  Is PHP meant to be used outside of web work?

You can write PHP scritps for admin stuff, but they are slow...  the 
only reason PHP is fast is because it runs inside the web server,
(like mod_perl)  PHP is not really good for admin stuff, it was never 
designed to be used like that. Perl was, in fact a good many of the 
install screens and tools you saw on install of Mandrake were Perl 
scripts, and so are some of the tools you use to maintain the box.

I use Perl for large scale web apps. (using a framework and templating 
system like CGI::Application and HTML::Template) and I also use  a ton 
of small admin scripts to do backend stuff on the boxes.

Python is cool, but I don't know it all that well, Perl is far an away 
my favorite scripting language, and a look around search.cpan.org will 
show you why.

One thing I like about Perl is its versatility. Although it rose to fame 
as a text manipulation tool, as franki points out, the vast number of 
modules available these days means that you can use it for almost 
anything (well, anything you can use a scripting language for - I've not 
heard of anyone writing a lightning-fast first-person shooter in Perl).

Note that although Tk tends to be associated with Tcl, it also works 
well in Perl. There are other good scripting languages as well; I'm not 
knocking Python or Ruby, but Perl has the advantages of thousands of 
dedicated hackers working on it for well over a decade now. It's like 
the C of scripting languages.

Sir Robin
--
"I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so 
mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art."
Dawn - BtVS

Robin Turner
IDMYO
Bilkent Universitesi
Ankara 06533
Turkey
www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Proxim Orinoco gold a/b/g card

2004-06-20 Thread Derek Jennings

On Sunday 20 Jun 2004 21:35, Brandon Rife wrote:
> Does anyone have this wireless card working with mdk?

Orinoco is sold under a gazillion brand names. I use it under the 'Buffalo' 
brand.
Mandrake supports it with the 'orinoco' driver. Install the wireless-tools 
package, reboot and it should detect the card.
(dmesg in a terminal will show you the boot messages. You should see 
references to it in there)

Then go through the networking wizard in Mandrake Control centre to configure 
it.


derek

-- 
www.jennings.homelinux.net
http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

[newbie] Proxim Orinoco gold a/b/g card

2004-06-20 Thread Brandon Rife

Does anyone have this wireless card working with mdk?

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] MS and DRM

On Sunday 20 June 2004 12:43, JoeHill wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:45:12 -0400
> Edgars Smits disseminated the following:
> 
> > I'm surprised, Stephen, I would have thought you of all people would 
> > recognise sarcasm
> 
> Oh, I'm sure he saw the sarcasm. But you gotta understand, Stephen's 
one o'
> those people who just can't resist declaring to all the world his deep 
and
> abiding hatred for all things M$, it's like OCD or something. I've 
tried, Oh
> Lord how I've tried, to help him overcome it, but with no success.
> 
Stephen is the sane one.

-- 
Regards;
Hoyt


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] MS and DRM

2004-06-20 Thread Aron Smith

On Sunday 20 June 2004 10:43 am, JoeHill wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:45:12 -0400
>
> Edgars Smits disseminated the following:
> > I'm surprised, Stephen, I would have thought you of all people would
> > recognise sarcasm
>
> Oh, I'm sure he saw the sarcasm. But you gotta understand, Stephen's one o'
> those people who just can't resist declaring to all the world his deep and
> abiding hatred for all things M$, it's like OCD or something. I've tried,
> Oh Lord how I've tried, to help him overcome it, but with no success.
Take him a moose and a bong ;-)



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Purchase enquiry

2004-06-20 Thread Aron Smith

On Sunday 20 June 2004 07:08 am, Poogle wrote:
> On Sunday 20 Jun 2004 13:40, Terence Golightly wrote:
> > Poggle,
> >
> > What I mean is that not that it might be rebadged, but if I'm correct
> > there are only a limited number of quality handtool manufacturers in the
> > world and Sears Craftsman tools are made for them by another to theirs
> > specs (when has Sears & Roebuck made anything themselves?) that Optorite
> > and other 'names' contracts their manufacture to another but puts their
> > name on it. I don't think this is quite rebadging, but? Anybody else
> > have a comment?
> >
> > Terry
> >
> > On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 05:38, Poogle wrote:
> > > On Saturday 19 Jun 2004 22:50, Terence Golightly wrote:
> > > > List,
> > > >
> > > > http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=27-182-024&;
> > > >de pa=1
> > > >
> > > > After reading the posts concerning cooling, I started looking around
> > > > a fans and said well I could use a CD/DVD player and I was just
> > > > wondering about the above unit. Anybody heard of them?  How could I
> > > > find out who makes that drive? Any additional comments welcome.
It was probably made in a converted bicycle shop in downtown Baghdad. Who can 
tell.
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > >
> > > > Terry
> > > >
> > > > Terry Golightly ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Pittsburgh, Pa
> > > > Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel
> > > > 2.6.3-9mdk-i686-up-4GB
> > > > 17:48:14 up 4:07, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.19, 0.18
> > > >
> > > > Just about every computer on the market today runs Unix, except the
> > > > Mac (and nobody cares about it). -- Bill Joy 6/21/85
> > >
> > > AFAIK Optorite make it, I don't think it is a re-badged product.  I
> > > have a previous model, the OPTORITE DVD RW DD201, have had no problems
> > > with it.
> >
> > Poggle,
> >
> > What I mean is that not that it might be rebadged, but if I'm correct
> > there are only a limited (3) number of quality automotive handtool
> > manufacturers in the world and Sears Craftsman tools are made for them
> > by another to theirs specs (when has Sears & Roebuck made anything
> > themselves?) that Optorite and other 'names' contracts their manufacture
> > to another but puts their name on it. I don't think this is quite
> > rebadging, but? Anybody else have a comment?
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Terry Golightly ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Pittsburgh, Pa
> > Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel
> > 2.6.3-9mdk-i686-up-4GB
> > 08:28:08 up 18:47, 1 user, load average: 2.21, 2.20, 2.08
> >
> > The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody
> > appreciates how difficult it was.
>
> O.K I see what you mean, but by re-badged I meant sub-contracted to another
> manufacturer and then badged Optorite. Googling on Optorite I found the 1st
> 4 hits indicate that they are a manufacturer.



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Uninstall

On Sunday 20 June 2004 11:55, OOzy wrote:
> On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 18:57, mike wrote:
> > OOzy wrote:
> > > How to un-install a program using rpm or urpmi?
> > 
> > man urpme
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
__
> > 
> > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
> > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
> > Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
> > 
> 
> I did read the man pages. I also did urpmi --help; however, I could 
not
> find an option that says remove package.
> 
> 
> 
Mike said *urpme*
-- 
Regards;
Hoyt


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] LILO

2004-06-20 Thread Richard Hackwith

At 11:22 PM 6/19/2004 -0400, you wrote:
On Saturday 19 June 2004 05:42 pm, Teilhard Knight wrote:
> Can you think any reason why Mandrake 10.0 Community, and also the
> Official, report that there is a sector of 80 Gb, and another sector of 891
> !! Gb overlapping?
>
> When I installed the Official for a second time, I got a worse thing saying
> that the partition table was too messy for Mandrake. I trusted the offer to
> fix the problem and I went to the dogs with 4 OSs installed in my 120 Gb
> disk. It even disappeared from the BIOS. I do not want to tire you with
> what I did to fix this.

Sounds to me like you have run into a bug that Mandrake, as well as Fedora 
and
a few others also experience.  I think it is a bug in LILO.  It has to do
with the LBA settings in the BIOS.  The bug mostly manifests itself in not
being able to boot into windows after installing into a dual-boot scenario.

There has been a lot of talk on the net about this, so google should help you
out here.  Also, you may want to try turning off LBA in the BIOS.
Here's a link to the article about it on Slashdot
http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/23/1448209.shtml?tid=110&tid=187
--
I have been on the verge of installing 10.0 powerpack then I heard about 
this problem.  I spent a good part of yesterday googling and reading 
various forums.  From what I found this problem seems to be related to the 
2.6 kernel and the way it handles CHS info from the bios and messes with 
partition tables that causes them to be unreadable by a MS FAT or NTFS 
system. This problem is found in Fedora, SuSE and Mandrake versions that 
use a 2.6 kernel. A lot of people when first hearing of this problem 
automatically think it is a MBR problem, but it goes deeper than that and 
none of the variations of fdisk /mbr will help.

From what I have read it seems that will most likely occur if any 
partition changes are made and the partition tables are re-written and if 
your drive detection in bios is set to auto.  It has been stated that 
sometimes changing the bios setting to LBA will correct the problems as 
long as the tables and MBR haven't been further messed up with repair 
attempt with all the various utilities.  I have also heard, but not 
verified, that kernel version 2.6.7 fixes that bug but that is a much later 
version than the one in the current iso's and boxed versions.

So far the best course seems to change bios setting to LBA, and do not make 
any changes to partition tables until you can upgrade your kernel version.

The sad part is that none of the distro developers seem to be taking this 
bug seriously. You will find no mention of it at any of the home pages.  I 
guess since none of the developer types dual boot they don't think it is a 
major bug. In fact a reply from one jerk said just put your Windows an a 
separate box, like everyone can have a house full spare computers.
.
Richard

***
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
***

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] CD-RW device problem

On Sunday 20 June 2004 11:45, Jason Kretzer wrote:
> --- Hoyt Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Saturday 19 June 2004 20:50, Jason Kretzer wrote:
> > > Hello list,
> > > 
> > > I have the following Cd burner: 
> > > 
> > > SONY CD-RW CRX160E
> > > 
> > > It appears to be mounted fine as K3B and xcdroast
> > can
> > > both see it.  Unfortunately, both act as though
> > there
> > > is no disc in it.  Another symptom is when I am
> > > installing software from the CD's the software
> > > installer asks me to place the CD in /dev/hdc
> > (which
> > > is the cdrom in question) when I do, it keeps
> > asking
> > > me for it.  A third similar symptom is when I
> > place a
> > > CD in it that does have stuff on it and it will
> > not
> > > read it or even place that cool automount icon on
> > the
> > > desktop.
> > > 
> > > If anyone knows of a way around this, I would
> > > appreciate the help.  If you need more
> > information,
> > > tell me where to find it and I will provide it.
> > > 
> > > On a side note, this pc was upgraded from RedHat
> > 8.0
> > > and xcdroast worked just fine.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > -Jason
> > > 
> > Can you post your /etc/fstab?
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Regards;
> > Hoyt
> > 
> > > 
> 
> 
> Here is the contents of my fstab

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] jason]# cat /etc/fstab
> /dev/hdb2 / ext3 noatime 1 1
> none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
> /dev/hdb6 /home ext3 noatime 1 2
> /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto
> umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec
> 0 0
> /dev/hdd /mnt/cdrom2 auto
> umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec
> 0 0
> none /mnt/floppy supermount
> 
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850
> 0 0
> /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-1,ro 0
> 0
> none /proc proc defaults 0 0
> /dev/hdb5 swap swap defaults 0 0
> none /mnt/hd supermount
> 
dev=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,kudzu,codepage=850
> 0 0
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] jason]#
> 
yours
 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto
 umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec
 0 0
 /dev/hdd /mnt/cdrom2 auto
 umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec
 0 0

mine
 none /mnt/cdrom supermount 
dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,ro,exec,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 
0 0 

It appears that you do not have supermount on your cd drives that will 
require that you 'mount /mnt/cdrom[?]' from a terminal before 
attempting access. or you could add supermount after 
'none /mnt/cdrom[?]'.
-- 
Regards;
Hoyt


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Re: Rusty Morse.

2004-06-20 Thread JRH

On Sunday 20 Jun 2004 20:31, PM wrote:
> > I am a digital sort of guy, rtty, gtor pactor amtor

I'm not long Licensed.. and currently active on 2m & 70cm, and soon to be 
6m too

An HF set is on order!

I will be doing everything, but mainly SSTV, and APRS packet on the data side. 
CW is an option too... and I'm practising hard!

JRH


-- 
  Sent using Kmail, on Mandrake Linux 10CE
  "Microsoft: Which Virus Would You Like to Catch Today?"
  Registered Linux User #340061
  73 de M3GXQ
 20:39:12 up  3:29,  0 users,  load average: 0.92, 0.67, 0.45


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Re: Rusty Morse.

2004-06-20 Thread PM

On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 22:24, Bill Spatz wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Sunday 20 June 2004 05:13 am, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> > Keith Powell wrote:
> > > Are there any radio amateurs on the list?
> >
> Here too!
> 
> I am a digital sort of guy, rtty, gtor pactor amtor
> 
> Bill
> N7OKD

Plus 

-- 
__
 Paul
 5B8BA



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Re: Rusty Morse.

2004-06-20 Thread Bill Spatz

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Sunday 20 June 2004 05:13 am, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> Keith Powell wrote:
> > Are there any radio amateurs on the list?
>
Here too!

I am a digital sort of guy, rtty, gtor pactor amtor

Bill
N7OKD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFA1eSQzHeHGYMT3rQRAiFDAKCdO46c9Y0lhpAI1p/dCKc79WzzyACgqTnp
yIY0qHI6fhZ0OX8+zN9Q0kk=
=FXnJ
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] clear and ls

On Sunday 20 June 2004 10:53, OOzy wrote:
> How can I write two commands at the same time? For example, clear and
> ls. I would like to clear the screen before and I do ls?
> 
> 
> 
clear && ls
-- 
Regards;
Hoyt

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] XP/MDK dual boot -- setting up shared FAT32 partition

2004-06-20 Thread Chuck MATTSEN

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
|> Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes
|> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders
|> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
|>
|> ~   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
|> /dev/hda1   *   1191615390238+   7  HPFS/NTFS
|> /dev/hda231854864134946005  Extended
|> /dev/hda531853949 6143728+  83  Linux
|> /dev/hda639494013  511528+  82  Linux swap
|> /dev/hda740134864 6839248+  83  Linux
|> [EMAIL PROTECTED] chuck]#
|>
|>
| Ok - the section of your drive from 1917 to 3184 is not "owned" by any
| partition.  You have two choices here.  You can create a primary
| partition out of it, or you can create a second extended partition out
| of it.
| If you create a primary partition out if it, the numbers of the Linux
| partitions will not change.  You will just add  /dev/hda3.  But I am
not
| sure how XP will deal with it.  I think it will be fine with it.  You
| have probably have to create the partition in Linux, but I would try
| using fdisk in Windows, and see if it will let you create a FAT32
| primary partition.  Windows is always happier if you use its tools to
| create things.  If it wants to create an extended partition, and  a
| logical drive, you may have problems booting Linux after that, until
you
| edit /etc/fstab.  I do not know what will happen with the logical
| partition numbers, but I suspect they will change.
|
| You can also create the primary partition in Linux, change the type to
| FAT32, and then format it in Windows.  This is usually better then
| trying to format it in Linux.  (It can be done, but Windows isn't
always
| happy about it.)  I use fdisk or cfdisk (does Mandrake include cfdisk?)
| for this.  You can try doing it in harddrake, or I can give you step by
| step directions later, when I am back on my Linux box.  If I do it off
| the top of my head, I will forget something.
Thanks ... appreciate the info, and the time taken.  That gives me a
little bit better idea of what's going on and what's needed, and
should help me do a little bit more research on my own, too, so that I
can let the idea "percolate" a little before I plunge.  :)  As I said,
XP is new territory for me, as well, so I've got some learning to do
on both sides of the OS "fence."
In the words of the Governor of some state or another (I forget
which), "I'll be back."
- --
Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519
Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk
14:10:00 up 5:29, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.25, 0.16
- --
Random Thought/Quote for this Message:
~ He who laughs, lasts.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
iD8DBQFA1eIn+qbiwggubBwRAqDnAJ0cicUvKd2cg2Hd28i/KE8XT4JTAQCghOl6
oLCKIWlcqsHczN4ghO8VCA8=
=w5LR
-END PGP SIGNATURE-

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

[newbie] Bulk mail program

2004-06-20 Thread Cezary Morga

I'm looking for a good bulk mail program to send my newsletter. It'll be nice 
if it could support constant width fonts... Anyone could help?
-- 
Cezary Morga ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) GG# 169903


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] XP/MDK dual boot -- setting up shared FAT32 partition

2004-06-20 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Chuck MATTSEN wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:


|
| Before you start changing things, would you send the output of
"fdisk -l
| /dev/hda" so we can see how things are now.  I don't know if your free
| space is part of your extended partition, or if it is not claimed by
any
| partition.  Space can be claimed by an extended partition, but not used
| by a logical partition, or not claimed by any partition.  It makes a
| difference on what you can do with it.
Gladly ... thanks (I /almost/ followed part of that LOL):
[EMAIL PROTECTED] chuck]# fdisk -l /dev/hda
Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
~   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *   1191615390238+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hda231854864134946005  Extended
/dev/hda531853949 6143728+  83  Linux
/dev/hda639494013  511528+  82  Linux swap
/dev/hda740134864 6839248+  83  Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] chuck]#

Ok - the section of your drive from 1917 to 3184 is not "owned" by any 
partition.  You have two choices here.  You can create a primary 
partition out of it, or you can create a second extended partition out 
of it.
If you create a primary partition out if it, the numbers of the Linux 
partitions will not change.  You will just add  /dev/hda3.  But I am not 
sure how XP will deal with it.  I think it will be fine with it.  You 
have probably have to create the partition in Linux, but I would try 
using fdisk in Windows, and see if it will let you create a FAT32 
primary partition.  Windows is always happier if you use its tools to 
create things.  If it wants to create an extended partition, and  a 
logical drive, you may have problems booting Linux after that, until you 
edit /etc/fstab.  I do not know what will happen with the logical 
partition numbers, but I suspect they will change.

You can also create the primary partition in Linux, change the type to 
FAT32, and then format it in Windows.  This is usually better then 
trying to format it in Linux.  (It can be done, but Windows isn't always 
happy about it.)  I use fdisk or cfdisk (does Mandrake include cfdisk?) 
for this.  You can try doing it in harddrake, or I can give you step by 
step directions later, when I am back on my Linux box.  If I do it off 
the top of my head, I will forget something.

Mikkel
--
   Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Uninstall

2004-06-20 Thread mike

OOzy wrote:
> On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 18:57, mike wrote:
> 
>>OOzy wrote:
>>
>>>How to un-install a program using rpm or urpmi?
>>
>>man urpme
>>
>>Mike
> 
> I did read the man pages. I also did urpmi --help; however, I could not
> find an option that says remove package.

Install package.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# urpmi efax

ftp://ftp.banjo1.org/Mandrake/release/10.0/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/efax-0.9a-2mdk.i586.rpm
installing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/efax-0.9a-2mdk.i586.rpm
Preparing...
##
   1:efax
##

Uninstall package.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# urpme efax

removing efax-0.9a-2mdk.i586

I probably confused you by pointing to a man page, but its a short
one worth looking at. Only a couple options (which most of us will
not use). Just basic "urpme" then package name to remove.

Mike

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

[newbie] sound card error when booting

2004-06-20 Thread eric jackson





Hi,
I get this error message in /var/log/boot.log.
alsa: succeeded
ericsoldpc alsa: succeeded
 ericsoldpc alsactl: alsact: load_state:1134:
 ericsoldpc alsactl: No soundcards found...
 ericsoldpc sound: Setting mixer settings failed
 
As the computer is booting I get this message:
Start Alsa version 1.0.2c trident
doing alsact to restore mixer settings...
can't open alsact - no soundcard found
alsact save state:1061
can't open /root/tmp/asound.state_tmp:no such file or directory
setting mixer setting: alsact load state 1134: no soundcard found
When I tried to run Audacity, I got this error:
There is an error initializing the audio i/o layer
You will not be able to play or record audio
error:host error
Error while opening sound device. Please check the input device settings and 
the project sample rate.
I assume the Audacity error is caused by the other error.
Any ideas on how to straighten this out?
Eric Jackson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] Purchase enquiry

2004-06-20 Thread Terence Golightly

On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 10:08, Poogle wrote:
> On Sunday 20 Jun 2004 13:40, Terence Golightly wrote:
> > Poggle,
> >
> > What I mean is that not that it might be rebadged, but if I'm correct
> > there are only a limited number of quality handtool manufacturers in the
> > world and Sears Craftsman tools are made for them by another to theirs
> > specs (when has Sears & Roebuck made anything themselves?) that Optorite
> > and other 'names' contracts their manufacture to another but puts their
> > name on it. I don't think this is quite rebadging, but? Anybody else
> > have a comment?
> >
> > Terry
> >
> > On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 05:38, Poogle wrote:
> > > On Saturday 19 Jun 2004 22:50, Terence Golightly wrote:
> > > > List,
> > > >
> > > > http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=27-182-024&de
> > > >pa=1
> > > >
> > > > After reading the posts concerning cooling, I started looking around a
> > > > fans and said well I could use a CD/DVD player and I was just wondering
> > > > about the above unit. Anybody heard of them?  How could I find out who
> > > > makes that drive? Any additional comments welcome.
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > >
> > > > Terry
> > > >
> > > > Terry Golightly ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Pittsburgh, Pa
> > > > Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel
> > > > 2.6.3-9mdk-i686-up-4GB
> > > > 17:48:14 up 4:07, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.19, 0.18
> > > >
> > > > Just about every computer on the market today runs Unix, except the Mac
> > > > (and nobody cares about it). -- Bill Joy 6/21/85
> > >
> > > AFAIK Optorite make it, I don't think it is a re-badged product.  I have
> > > a previous model, the OPTORITE DVD RW DD201, have had no problems
> > > with it.
> >
> > Poggle,
> >
> > What I mean is that not that it might be rebadged, but if I'm correct
> > there are only a limited (3) number of quality automotive handtool
> > manufacturers in the world and Sears Craftsman tools are made for them
> > by another to theirs specs (when has Sears & Roebuck made anything
> > themselves?) that Optorite and other 'names' contracts their manufacture
> > to another but puts their name on it. I don't think this is quite
> > rebadging, but? Anybody else have a comment?
> >
> > Terry

> 
> O.K I see what you mean, but by re-badged I meant sub-contracted to another 
> manufacturer and then badged Optorite. Googling on Optorite I found the 1st
> 4 hits indicate that they are a manufacturer.

Ok gee google you can do that with that? :<).  Should'a thought of that!
Must'a been late last night.

Thanks,

Terry

Terry Golightly ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Pittsburgh, Pa 
Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel
2.6.3-9mdk-i686-up-4GB 
13:30:41 up 23:50, 3 users, load average: 2.07, 1.93, 1.47 

The sun never sets on those who ride into it. -- RKO



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] XP/MDK dual boot -- setting up shared FAT32 partition

2004-06-20 Thread Chuck MATTSEN

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
| Partition numbering is a combination of fixed and variable numbering.
| The primary partitions are always 1 through 4, and are independent of
| the logical partitions created in the extended partitions.
| Extended partitions are a special type of primary partition that define
| a chunck of disk space that is then broken up into smaller logical
| partitions.  You can have a total of 4 primary partitions and extended
| partitions.  ( 0P, 4E or 1P, 3E or 2P, 2E or 3P, 1E or 4P, 0E)  Each
| extended partition can have 4 logical partitions.  (This is if you are
| going to have a DOS type partition table - there are other formats, but
| windows doesn't like them.)
[...]
| The "correct" way to do it is to create a second extended partition
| using the free space, and then create a logical drive in it.  I do not
| have enough experience with XP to know if it will handle having a FAT32
| primary partition, along with a NTFS primary partition.  I know Windows
| 95 and 98 would handle having 2 primary partitions, even though you are
| not supposed to do it.
|
| Before you start changing things, would you send the output of
"fdisk -l
| /dev/hda" so we can see how things are now.  I don't know if your free
| space is part of your extended partition, or if it is not claimed by
any
| partition.  Space can be claimed by an extended partition, but not used
| by a logical partition, or not claimed by any partition.  It makes a
| difference on what you can do with it.
Gladly ... thanks (I /almost/ followed part of that LOL):
[EMAIL PROTECTED] chuck]# fdisk -l /dev/hda
Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
~   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *   1191615390238+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hda231854864134946005  Extended
/dev/hda531853949 6143728+  83  Linux
/dev/hda639494013  511528+  82  Linux swap
/dev/hda740134864 6839248+  83  Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] chuck]#
- --
Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519
Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk
13:35:00 up 4:54, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.23, 0.17
- --
Random Thought/Quote for this Message:
~G: "If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do?"
~   EB: "Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air
~   and scatter oneself over a wide area."
~  -- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
iD8DBQFA1dpr+qbiwggubBwRAu5xAJ9Rbg9VN6BnXkWENp/3CkUvequlDQCePpWL
4WrQDJlvtHCJup5EmKW4Rqg=
=/Z99
-END PGP SIGNATURE-

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

RE: [newbie] Uninstall

2004-06-20 Thread Achronophilia

If u'are using kde, the use Kpackage manager

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OOzy
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 10:53 PM
To: Mandrake
Subject: [newbie] Uninstall

How to un-install a program using rpm or urpmi?

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

RE: [newbie] XP/MDK dual boot -- setting up shared FAT32 partition

2004-06-20 Thread Achronophilia

Well, you should do that from within Windows partition with the help of
disk partitioner software (such as Paragon or Partition Magic). Mandrake
will recognize it far better than Windows, I think.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johan Sch
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 11:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] XP/MDK dual boot -- setting up shared FAT32
partition

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:16:26 -0500
Chuck MATTSEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Okay, I've been avoiding doing this for awhile, for fear of borking
> something, but it's time.  :-)
> 
> I have a 40GB HD, with a dual boot setup of XP Pro and Mandrake.
> Previously, I had pared down the size of the XP partition, so that my
> current allocation is as follows:
> 
>   XP Pro  NTFShda114 GB
>   unassigned   --  -- 9.7 GB
>   /   ext3hda55.8 GB
>   swap -- hda60.5 GB
>   /home   ext3hda76.5 GB
> 
> I'd like to make the currently unassigned drive space (or most of it,
> anyway) a FAT32 shared data partition, but want to make sure that I
> understand the procedure -- and any potential problem areas -- before
> I attempt it, as I'd /like/ to leave the current installation and data
> intact, rather than doing so via a wipe/reinstall.
> 
> So, questions:
> (Feel free to dumb down your answers to the appropriate level of
> understanding ... i.e., you can't go /too/ low :-), as you can no
> doubt tell by the questions themselves.)
> 
> 1.  Am I correct in assuming that, because Windows flavors tend not to
> play well with others, that the formatting/assignment of the free
> space to FAT32 should be done from within Mandrake, or not?  If so,
> would I then have trouble getting XP to recognize it.
> 
> 2.  Regardless of where the operation is performed, the drive
> assignments (currently hda5-7) would end up getting renumbered,
> correct?  If so, will Mdk handle this automatically, or need I be
> prepared to do some manual editing of config files?
> 
> 3.  Running a laptop, and having run into a failed resume cycle
> yesterday, I'm thinking the fail may have been due to the resume data
> being written to the current swap partition?  If so, would it then
> make sense to take some relatively small amount of that free space and
> set it aside for such purpose.
> 
> What I probably really need is a detailed step-by-step before I'm
> comfortable performing this, but I certainly don't expect anyone here
> to go to such lengths.  So, if anyone has a pointer to a really
> //basic// step-by-step, a link would be appreciated.  All I've found
> so far is either not Mandrake-specific or details only part of the
> procedure/concept.
> 
> TIA,
> 
>WARNING.. that unassigned space can/must only be created as PRIMARY
partitions. Only two more can be done.
There is various tools to do this. Depending on what you have.
Partition Magic can do it. Rescue cdrom can do it.

Can be done with mandrake distro . but you must know what you are doing.
good luck
-- 
Johan Sch
Registered Linux User #33034
May this be a good day for learning




Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] XP/MDK dual boot -- setting up shared FAT32 partition

2004-06-20 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson

Chuck MATTSEN wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Johan Sch wrote:
| Chuck MATTSEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
~ [...]
|>XP ProNTFShda114 GB
|>unassigned -- --9.7 GB
|>/ext3hda55.8 GB
|>swap --hda60.5 GB
|>/homeext3hda76.5 GB
|>
|>I'd like to make the currently unassigned drive space (or most of it,
|>anyway) a FAT32 shared data partition, but want to make sure that I
|>understand the procedure -- and any potential problem areas -- before
|>I attempt it, as I'd /like/ to leave the current installation and data
|>intact, rather than doing so via a wipe/reinstall.
[...]
|>1.  Am I correct in assuming that, because Windows flavors tend not to
|>play well with others, that the formatting/assignment of the free
|>space to FAT32 should be done from within Mandrake, or not?  If so,
|>would I then have trouble getting XP to recognize it.
|>
|>2.  Regardless of where the operation is performed, the drive
|>assignments (currently hda5-7) would end up getting renumbered,
|>correct?  If so, will Mdk handle this automatically, or need I be
|>prepared to do some manual editing of config files?
[...]
|>What I probably really need is a detailed step-by-step before I'm
|>comfortable performing this, but I certainly don't expect anyone here
|>to go to such lengths.  So, if anyone has a pointer to a really
|>//basic// step-by-step, a link would be appreciated.  All I've found
|>so far is either not Mandrake-specific or details only part of the
|>procedure/concept.
|
|WARNING.. that unassigned space can/must only be created as PRIMARY
partitions. Only two more can be done.
|
| There is various tools to do this. Depending on what you have.
| Partition Magic can do it. Rescue cdrom can do it.
|
| Can be done with mandrake distro . but you must know what you are 
doing.
| good luck
| ***
| Some more info . what is bothering me is I see no extended partition
on your info.
|
| Should my info for the above be correct then it will be no good for
using it as scrarchpad for windows. Win can only see one primary
partition . in this case its own. Linux have no problem.
|
| Should any changes you make change the excisting partition numbers
you will have problems booting your linux system. Unless you can make
the corrections in fstab and bootloader.

Yeah, that's where I stopped the process before :-), when I started
getting advisories about primary partitions, as I can't afford to mess
up my XP install (much as I'd like to wipe it, I need it for work on a
daily basis), and the info I was getting was sufficiently cryptic/over
my head that I didn't dare go further at that point.
I have Partition Magic and, in fact, it's what I originally used to
set up the dual boot.  Subsequent to that, however, it began balking
at any attempt to resize/reallocate anything further, saying it had
"found errors," etc., and I felt (and was also advised) it would be
wise to /not/ let Partition Magic "fix" them, as it offered.
I also /do/ have Partition Manager, which seems to be better able to
handle dealing with a mixed NTFS/ext3 environment.  I guess I'm
confused about the distinction (if there is one) between partitions,
primary partitions, logical drives, etc.
As for the partition numbering, I was hoping that if it was done from
within Mandrake that it would be taken care of, but am certainly
willing to manually edit, should that be a necessity.
Partition numbering is a combination of fixed and variable numbering.  
The primary partitions are always 1 through 4, and are independent of 
the logical partitions created in the extended partitions.
Extended partitions are a special type of primary partition that define 
a chunck of disk space that is then broken up into smaller logical 
partitions.  You can have a total of 4 primary partitions and extended 
partitions.  ( 0P, 4E or 1P, 3E or 2P, 2E or 3P, 1E or 4P, 0E)  Each 
extended partition can have 4 logical partitions.  (This is if you are 
going to have a DOS type partition table - there are other formats, but 
windows doesn't like them.)

I dunno ... I'm sure it's all obvious to those who've been around the
Linux "block" a few times, but in my many years on the Windows side of
things I've never had to do any partitioning or similar -- indeed, I
never even once had to do an OS reinstall, as things remained stable
throughout the various upgrades to 98se.  This new system came with XP
Pro preloaded, and I'm much less familiar in that environment.
The "correct" way to do it is to create a second extended partition 
using the free space, and then create a logical drive in it.  I do not 
have enough experience with XP to know if it will handle having a FAT32 
primary partition, along with a NTFS primary partition.  I know Windows 
95 and 98 would handle having 2 primary partitions, even though you are 
not supposed to do it.

Before you start changing things, would you send the output o

Re: [newbie] German Language SPAM

2004-06-20 Thread Chris

On Thursday 17 June 2004 06:55 am, Greg Meyer wrote:
> Is anybody else on this list getting inundated with German Language spam.
>  The ip address it is coming from is dynamic and looks like a french isp.
>  Since some of the from addresses seem familiar, I am thinking that
> someone subscribed to newbie, perhaps dual-booting, has their windows
> partition infected and is periodically throwing off tons of German
> Laanguage spam. Please check you machines if this remotely describes you.

Sure have Greg, it was the talk of the SA list for awhile.  Need a ruleset 
for it?  See below on exerpt from the list:

>AFAIK they are not using hacked mail-accounts but machines previously 
>infected with the Sober worm. This Nazi variant is called Sober.H by the 
>antivirus industry. Unfortunately there are still too many unsuspecting 
>dial-up users out there without any clues about patching their systems 
>or using a firewall...

Below is how its being picked up on my system:

Content analysis details:   (45.0 hits, 5.0 required)
 3.0 SARE_MSGID_QMAIL1  Contains spoofing message id
-0.3 NO_REAL_NAME   From: does not include a real name
 1.1 RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100 BODY: Razor2 gives confidence between 51 and 100
[cf: 100]
 4.3 BAYES_99   BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 99 to 100%
[score: 1.]
 3.9 RAZOR2_CHECK   Listed in Razor2 (http://razor.sf.net/)
 2.5 PYZOR_CHECKListed in Pyzor (http://pyzor.sf.net/)
 2.7 DCC_CHECK  Listed in DCC 
(http://rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/)
 1.4 MISSING_HEADERSMissing To: header
 0.8 SARE_TOCC_NONE No To header found in email
 2.7 PRIORITY_NO_NAME   Message has priority setting, but no X-Mailer
 8.0 RASSISMUS_MAILS_1  Rassistische E-Mails, Titel
  15 RASSISMUS_MAILS_2  Rassistische E-Mails, Inhalt + Titel

-- 
Chris
Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org
12:58pm up 9 days, 23:23, 2 users, load average: 1.03, 1.00, 1.30

Save the whales.  Collect the whole set.

Live - From Virgin Radio UK Oasis - Live Forever



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] clear and ls

2004-06-20 Thread mike

OOzy wrote:
> How can I write two commands at the same time? For example, clear and
> ls. I would like to clear the screen before and I do ls?

"clear && ls" without quotes.

Mike

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Uninstall

2004-06-20 Thread mike



OOzy wrote:
> How to un-install a program using rpm or urpmi?

man urpme

Mike



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] FTP and Proxy

On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 02:47, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 01:31, OOzy wrote:
> > For me to go online I have to use a proxy, for example proxy.xyz.com. In
> > windows I usually type proxy.xyz.com and 8080 for port. I also do the
> > same for FTP and other services.
> > 
> > I tried to do the same for Linux but with no help. I am running LM9.2
> > and using gFTP and KBear. I could not set any of them to go. 
> 
> Mandrake Control Centre => Network - you can change the settings there.
> 
> stephen kuhn - proprietor
> ==
> illawarra computer services
> a kuhn media australia company
> http://kma.0catch.com
> mobile: 0410.728.389
> --
> Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Bamboo) for i586
> --
>   * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer *
>   We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents
> --
>   Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products
> 
> People who push both buttons should get their wish.
> 
> 
> 
> __
> 
> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
> Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
> Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
> 

I did no help I typed http://proxy.awalnet.net.sa:8080 but it is still
no help.




Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

[newbie] clear and ls

How can I write two commands at the same time? For example, clear and
ls. I would like to clear the screen before and I do ls?



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

[newbie] Uninstall

How to un-install a program using rpm or urpmi?



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Bad signature

2004-06-20 Thread Paul

Op Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:32:09 +0300 schreef OOzy:

>I tried to install libsvga... but it told me bad signature. I clicked
>yes. Is that a problem? Please see below

I installed loads of stuff with urpmi too, on MDK10 official. Almost all
of them gave me this similar message. And none of them had a problem
installing and running.

Paul
-- 
The only lesson we learn from history is
that we don't learn lessons from history.

http://www.nlpagan.net/linux.htm
Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet?


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

[newbie] Bad signature

I tried to install libsvga... but it told me bad signature. I clicked
yes. Is that a problem? Please see below

 urpmi libsvgalib1-1.9.18-1mdk.i586.rpm

The following packages have bad signatures:
libsvgalib1-1.9.18-1mdk.i586.rpm: Invalid signature ((SHA1) DSA sha1 md5
(GPG) (MISSING KEY) GPG#78d019f5 NOT OK)
Do you want to continue installation ? (y/N) y
installing libsvgalib1-1.9.18-1mdk.i586.rpm
Preparing...   
##
   1:libsvgalib1   
##




Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Re: Rusty Morse.

2004-06-20 Thread Marc

On Sunday 20 June 2004 06:13 am, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> Keith Powell wrote:
> > Are there any radio amateurs on the list?
>
> I am here too. But I am not interested in Morse at all. Packet radio is
> all I run for years.
>
> Regards,
>
> Misko YT7MPB
> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/FBB.html

  Yep there are a few of us on the list But I quit CW years ago. 2 M SSB 160M 
and 17 M these days

Marc
KM5KW
-- 
Composed on a 100% Microsoft
and Windows free computer
using Mandrake Linux 10.0

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

[newbie] NFS server = how?

2004-06-20 Thread Miroslav Skoric

Gentle folks,
The other day I tried to install Mdk 9.1, using a NFS server 
installation (Windows 2000 Server machine, running haneWin NFS server 
1.1.29). Seems that Windows NFS server is OK and Mdk setup recognizes 
it, but later I get the following error message on the Linux machine:

Error: That NFS volume does not seem to contain the Mandrake Linux 
distribution. 

and when type Alt-F4:
<4>NFS Warning: Mount version older than kernel
That is what I get when trying to use NFS network installation. Btw, the 
same Windows 2000 box is very good for FTP or HTTP installations of 
Linux (I mean my LAN is fine), but now I can not use either FTP or HTTP 
because on the target box I do not have enough RAM for FTP or HTTP setup 
(don't ask me why, the target box uses proprietary memory chips etc).

Looks that the target box recognizes the NFS server at the first step of 
NFS installation, but a bit later something goes wrong. The second message

<4>NFS Warning: Mount version older than kernel
looks to me as if Mdk 9.1 kernel differs from haneWin NFS server 1.1.29 
capabilities.

Any idea how to solve that issue? Maybe some other NFS utility for 
Windows that is compatible with Mdk 9.1 ? Btw, due to having the old 
hardware I am not going to try installing anything newer than Mdk 9.1

Misko




Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

[newbie] Re: Rusty Morse.

2004-06-20 Thread Miroslav Skoric

Keith Powell wrote:
Are there any radio amateurs on the list?
I am here too. But I am not interested in Morse at all. Packet radio is 
all I run for years.

Regards,
Misko YT7MPB
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/FBB.html



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] nVidia taints kernel

2004-06-20 Thread Frans Ketelaars

On Sunday 20 June 2004 16:52, Josenildo Marques wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I think the nVidia driver install didn't go so well after all,
> although I'm not sure of what this message means.
>
> nvidia: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
> nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
> 0: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module  1.0-5336 
> Wed Jan 14 18:29:26 PST 2004
>
> Any help appreciated.
> TIA

"kernel tainted" 'just' means that you have inserted a non GPL module in 
the kernel. Since the running kernel isn't open source anymore only 
nvidia can debug problems. AFAIK kernel developers refuse to work on 
problems when the kernel is tainted, even if the problem seems 
unrelated to the proprietary module.

HTH,

-Frans

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

[newbie] nVidia taints kernel

2004-06-20 Thread Josenildo Marques

Hi.

I think the nVidia driver install didn't go so well after all, although
I'm not sure of what this message means.

nvidia: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
0: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module  1.0-5336  Wed
Jan 14 18:29:26 PST 2004

Any help appreciated.
TIA


-- 
Josenildo Marques 
ICQ 289971493 +++ Homepage http://cyb.ezdir.net 
usuário Linux registrado No. 341648 
Este computador está livre de vírus e da Micosoft 
** 
"Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong." Oscar
Wilde



Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Purchase enquiry

2004-06-20 Thread Poogle

On Sunday 20 Jun 2004 13:40, Terence Golightly wrote:
> Poggle,
>
> What I mean is that not that it might be rebadged, but if I'm correct
> there are only a limited number of quality handtool manufacturers in the
> world and Sears Craftsman tools are made for them by another to theirs
> specs (when has Sears & Roebuck made anything themselves?) that Optorite
> and other 'names' contracts their manufacture to another but puts their
> name on it. I don't think this is quite rebadging, but? Anybody else
> have a comment?
>
> Terry
>
> On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 05:38, Poogle wrote:
> > On Saturday 19 Jun 2004 22:50, Terence Golightly wrote:
> > > List,
> > >
> > > http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=27-182-024&de
> > >pa=1
> > >
> > > After reading the posts concerning cooling, I started looking around a
> > > fans and said well I could use a CD/DVD player and I was just wondering
> > > about the above unit. Anybody heard of them?  How could I find out who
> > > makes that drive? Any additional comments welcome.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Terry
> > >
> > > Terry Golightly ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Pittsburgh, Pa
> > > Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel
> > > 2.6.3-9mdk-i686-up-4GB
> > > 17:48:14 up 4:07, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.19, 0.18
> > >
> > > Just about every computer on the market today runs Unix, except the Mac
> > > (and nobody cares about it). -- Bill Joy 6/21/85
> >
> > AFAIK Optorite make it, I don't think it is a re-badged product.  I have
> > a previous model, the OPTORITE DVD RW DD201, have had no problems
> > with it.
>
> Poggle,
>
> What I mean is that not that it might be rebadged, but if I'm correct
> there are only a limited (3) number of quality automotive handtool
> manufacturers in the world and Sears Craftsman tools are made for them
> by another to theirs specs (when has Sears & Roebuck made anything
> themselves?) that Optorite and other 'names' contracts their manufacture
> to another but puts their name on it. I don't think this is quite
> rebadging, but? Anybody else have a comment?
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
>
> Terry Golightly ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Pittsburgh, Pa
> Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel
> 2.6.3-9mdk-i686-up-4GB
> 08:28:08 up 18:47, 1 user, load average: 2.21, 2.20, 2.08
>
> The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody
> appreciates how difficult it was.

O.K I see what you mean, but by re-badged I meant sub-contracted to another 
manufacturer and then badged Optorite. Googling on Optorite I found the 1st
4 hits indicate that they are a manufacturer.
-- 
http://www.poogle.co.uk


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] MS and DRM

2004-06-20 Thread Edgars Smits

I'm surprised, Stephen, I would have thought you of all people would 
recognise sarcasm

ED
Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 06:45, Edgars Smits wrote:

Since so many of us do love that DRM

Ed - notice my signature - look through the archives - I've been against
DRM from the onset of it's proposal.


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Purchase enquiry

2004-06-20 Thread Terence Golightly

Poggle,

What I mean is that not that it might be rebadged, but if I'm correct
there are only a limited number of quality handtool manufacturers in the
world and Sears Craftsman tools are made for them by another to theirs
specs (when has Sears & Roebuck made anything themselves?) that Optorite
and other 'names' contracts their manufacture to another but puts their
name on it. I don't think this is quite rebadging, but? Anybody else
have a comment?

Terry

On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 05:38, Poogle wrote:
> On Saturday 19 Jun 2004 22:50, Terence Golightly wrote:
> > List,
> >
> > http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=27-182-024&depa=1
> >
> > After reading the posts concerning cooling, I started looking around a
> > fans and said well I could use a CD/DVD player and I was just wondering
> > about the above unit. Anybody heard of them?  How could I find out who
> > makes that drive? Any additional comments welcome.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Terry
> >
> > Terry Golightly ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Pittsburgh, Pa
> > Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel
> > 2.6.3-9mdk-i686-up-4GB
> > 17:48:14 up 4:07, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.19, 0.18
> >
> > Just about every computer on the market today runs Unix, except the Mac
> > (and nobody cares about it). -- Bill Joy 6/21/85
> 
> AFAIK Optorite make it, I don't think it is a re-badged product.  I have
> a previous model, the OPTORITE DVD RW DD201, have had no problems
> with it.

Poggle,

What I mean is that not that it might be rebadged, but if I'm correct
there are only a limited (3) number of quality automotive handtool
manufacturers in the world and Sears Craftsman tools are made for them
by another to theirs specs (when has Sears & Roebuck made anything
themselves?) that Optorite and other 'names' contracts their manufacture
to another but puts their name on it. I don't think this is quite
rebadging, but? Anybody else have a comment?

Terry

Terry Golightly ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Pittsburgh, Pa 
Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel
2.6.3-9mdk-i686-up-4GB 
08:28:08 up 18:47, 1 user, load average: 2.21, 2.20, 2.08 

The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody
appreciates how difficult it was.

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

[newbie] XP/MDK dual boot -- setting up shared FAT32 partition

2004-06-20 Thread Chuck MATTSEN

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Okay, I've been avoiding doing this for awhile, for fear of borking
something, but it's time.  :-)
I have a 40GB HD, with a dual boot setup of XP Pro and Mandrake.
Previously, I had pared down the size of the XP partition, so that my
current allocation is as follows:
XP Pro  NTFShda114 GB
unassigned   --  -- 9.7 GB
/   ext3hda55.8 GB
swap -- hda60.5 GB
/home   ext3hda76.5 GB
I'd like to make the currently unassigned drive space (or most of it,
anyway) a FAT32 shared data partition, but want to make sure that I
understand the procedure -- and any potential problem areas -- before
I attempt it, as I'd /like/ to leave the current installation and data
intact, rather than doing so via a wipe/reinstall.
So, questions:
(Feel free to dumb down your answers to the appropriate level of
understanding ... i.e., you can't go /too/ low :-), as you can no
doubt tell by the questions themselves.)
1.  Am I correct in assuming that, because Windows flavors tend not to
play well with others, that the formatting/assignment of the free
space to FAT32 should be done from within Mandrake, or not?  If so,
would I then have trouble getting XP to recognize it.
2.  Regardless of where the operation is performed, the drive
assignments (currently hda5-7) would end up getting renumbered,
correct?  If so, will Mdk handle this automatically, or need I be
prepared to do some manual editing of config files?
3.  Running a laptop, and having run into a failed resume cycle
yesterday, I'm thinking the fail may have been due to the resume data
being written to the current swap partition?  If so, would it then
make sense to take some relatively small amount of that free space and
set it aside for such purpose.
What I probably really need is a detailed step-by-step before I'm
comfortable performing this, but I certainly don't expect anyone here
to go to such lengths.  So, if anyone has a pointer to a really
//basic// step-by-step, a link would be appreciated.  All I've found
so far is either not Mandrake-specific or details only part of the
procedure/concept.
TIA,
- --
Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519
Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk
06:55:00 up 11:00, 2 users, load average: 0.51, 0.28, 0.15
Random Thought/Quote for this Message:
~ Doubt grows with knowledge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
iD8DBQFA1YAa+qbiwggubBwRAp9GAJ9dKEy/xsU3jdCD4S3iy2PL7Lf2cQCcDgFR
2nFMkg6TuypcQZxih26GHIU=
=K3r4
-END PGP SIGNATURE-

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Hay-ulp! :-) Borked resume, cannot complete boot

2004-06-20 Thread et

On Saturday 19 June 2004 11:16 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
> How else would ya'll git yer qwestyuns anserd.  This ain't the blind
> leadin' the blind.
be happy to discuss _this_ on the OT list
-- 
linux counter #167806

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Most efficient, fastest scripting language...

2004-06-20 Thread frankieh

Asa Rossoff wrote:
From: "OOzy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Asa Rossoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
..
Which of the scripted languages run fastest, and which use ram most
efficiently?
The languages I know (just) a bit about are Perl, Python, and Tcl.

It really depends on personal preference. PHP is popular and rich. I don't
know about Perl, Python and Tcl. I think these languages are for gurus. If
I
were you I will go for PHP.

I have some past programming experience, and am not afraid of a challenge
for something worthwhile.
My impression is that the currently popular and modern backends for web work
are PHP and Python.  Is PHP meant to be used outside of web work?
You can write PHP scritps for admin stuff, but they are slow...  the 
only reason PHP is fast is because it runs inside the web server,
(like mod_perl)  PHP is not really good for admin stuff, it was never 
designed to be used like that. Perl was, in fact a good many of the 
install screens and tools you saw on install of Mandrake were Perl 
scripts, and so are some of the tools you use to maintain the box.

I use Perl for large scale web apps. (using a framework and templating 
system like CGI::Application and HTML::Template) and I also use  a ton 
of small admin scripts to do backend stuff on the boxes.

Python is cool, but I don't know it all that well, Perl is far an away 
my favorite scripting language, and a look around search.cpan.org will 
show you why.

--
rgds
Frank

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] Purchase enquiry

2004-06-20 Thread Poogle

On Saturday 19 Jun 2004 22:50, Terence Golightly wrote:
> List,
>
> http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=27-182-024&depa=1
>
> After reading the posts concerning cooling, I started looking around a
> fans and said well I could use a CD/DVD player and I was just wondering
> about the above unit. Anybody heard of them?  How could I find out who
> makes that drive? Any additional comments welcome.
>
> TIA,
>
> Terry
>
> Terry Golightly ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Pittsburgh, Pa
> Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel
> 2.6.3-9mdk-i686-up-4GB
> 17:48:14 up 4:07, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.19, 0.18
>
> Just about every computer on the market today runs Unix, except the Mac
> (and nobody cares about it). -- Bill Joy 6/21/85

AFAIK Optorite make it, I don't think it is a re-badged product.  I have
a previous model, the OPTORITE DVD RW DD201, have had no problems
with it.
-- 
http://www.poogle.co.uk


Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? 
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] LILO

2004-06-20 Thread John Richard Smith

Teilhard Knight wrote:
Can you think any reason why Mandrake 10.0 Community, and also the Official,report that there is a sector of 80 Gb, and another sector of 891 !! Gb overlapping?

I had a similar experience recently and had to do a Low level format to
rid a corupt partition table , my problem was due to using the drive
size limiter jumper on the HD itself, but I suspect disckdrake can cause
similar problems when used on a HD originally partitioned with windows
apps like PM8, or dos fdisk.This is controversial in linux, but I know
that some other linux users I know have experienced something similar to
that which you describe. That is why this is off list. I have kept tothe
use of windblows apps to partition my dual boot /linux/windblows HD's
for quite some time and not had this trouble myself, but as I say I have
had to help sort our other folks problems of a similar nature.

When I installed the Official for a second time, I got a worse thing saying that the
partition table was too messy for Mandrake. I trusted the offer to fix the problem and
I went to the dogs with 4 OSs installed in my 120 Gb disk. It even disappeared from
the BIOS. I do not want to tire you with what I did to fix this.
I have checked now possible problems in the partition table with different tools, and there are none.

Trouble is they don't always show the corrupt nature of the partition
table. It all may look OK but there are sectors in the MBR that can
store bad data, yet not be read by these apps.I certainly don't have
enough professional knowledge to say what that currupt data may be but
the consequencies can be awful.

I am now trying to install and at the end LILO fails to install everywhere, so I
cannot boot.
What on earth is going on?
Teilhard

Recently , that is to say MD10 has come with a version of lilo that
cannot work with any other bios setting other than LBA, and refuses to
boot any other OS other than the installed MD10, but changing the
setting to LBA in bios rectifies that, and so I doubt it is likely to be
your problem.

This is only a pure guess but it sounds like a corrupt partition table
in the MBR and somehow you have to re-establish a new partition table
from the beginning. That means a full Low Level Format (LLF)

Have you ever done a LLf before.
There are HD manufacturer utilities to help you do that.
my maxtor has one called powermax which is very intuitive.
One last thought , just an outside possibility, so I need to ask, you
don't have an external card reader or camera or some other mass storage
device plugged in ? I have know these give faulse partition table
readings sometimes, and the solution is to remove them until after you
are done, just a thought.

I don't know if this is of any help to you, since without actually
experiencing it myself it is hard to be certain what the nature of your
problem is but maybe it gives you some ideas. Corrupt partition tables
can be a trial sometimes, and if you return to a normal partition table
setup I would stick to a windblows app to do the partitioning. It
doesn't matter what app does the formatting, but when the MD10 install
disc looks to find partitions it is better it finds what you wants
already made by another device. Before Mandrake had diskdrake they used
to offer PM as their choice of windblows app.

regards,
John
--
John Richard Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com

Re: [newbie] CD-RW device problem