Re: [newbie] switching from fedora core, need some advice
Christopher J. Bottaro wrote: hello, i've been a pretty devout redhat user since around 2000. that being said, i'm thinking of switching over to mandrake 10.0 because of a couple reasons: 1) i'm a huge KDE fan and that is default desktop on mandrake (as opposed to fedora core's gnome) 2) fedora core 2 seems to have been getting tons of complaints lately now i have a few questions/concerns before switching over: 1) typically, i do a pretty minimal linux install + dev tools and i install all my program from source. i like to have my stuff pretty up to date. if i'm in a bind for time, i sometimes download an rpm and manually install it. i'm older now and more busy, i don't really have the time to compile everything from source (else i would use gentoo i guess)...;) i never learned how to use yum or anything like that but i think if i do a fresh install of some linux distro i'd like to learn a tool like that. does mandrake have anything like yum? what is package management like and where can i learn more about it? 2) related to #1 above, i noticed that mandrake 10.0 comes with kde-3.2. the latest version of kde is 3.2.3. is there any "easy" way to upgrade? 3) there is some issue about the new kernel and dual booting with winxp (i've read about it on the fedora mailing list). does mandrake have a similar problem? it would seem like the answer is yes, since its a 2.6 kernel problem. I am running a dual boot system with both Windows XP and Mandrake 10.0 Community. It picked up the Windows XP partition with no problem. The only thing is it mounts it with read only access. I'm not sure if this is a standard feature of mounting Windows partitions or not in Linux, as I've only been using it for a month. 4) i'm tired of manual configuring things with vim...;) since mandrake is suppose to be the leader in "linux desktop computing", i'm hoping that there are gui configuration tools for pretty much >everything<. is this true? thats all i can think of now. i guess my main reason for switching is KDE and i'm guessing that all of mandrakes configuration tools use the KDE (or QT) libraries. what do you all think? thanks for the insights and advice! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack
Hallo, stephen. When the monitor turns black I do Alt_Ctrl_F2 and I cant get a console or terminal to login. I do not have Ideas. Thanks stephen PS: Here is my spec again: Intel D850MV motherboard Pentium 4 Processor 2.0 GHZ 478 Pin Geforce 3 TI-500 64 MB Grafics card Nec Multisync FE950+ CRT monitor 358 MB Ram (rimm) Adapted 29160N U160 scsi controler IBM Ultrastar 36.4 GB CNET network card ADSL starbridge modem Linksys wrt54G router Mandrake 10.0 Official Power Pack ( downloaded from mandrake club) Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse - >From: Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Mandrake Newbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:29:48 +1000 > >On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 07:30, Joseph Gregory Croes wrote: > > And by the way I am a total newbie. I can use mandrake but with GUI. But I > > am not > > used with command lines. I you guy show me the steps, step by step I can do > > it. > > > > Thanks > >Maybe I'm stepping in too late on this, but once the machine APPEARS as >to have completed it's bootup process (when the hard drive is no longer >spinning or making noise) have you tried hitting CTRL+ALT+F2 ??? You >SHOULD see a "console login" when you do that - mind you SHOULD is the >key word here. > >I saw you mentioned something about NVidia, but you didn't list it in >your machine's inventory in the previous message - do you, in fact, HAVE >an NVidia card? > >If so, and IF you can get to a console login, you can login as root, >then at the prompt type: > >cd /etc/X11 > >then type: > >vi XF86Config-4 > >...and once the editor has loaded, locate the section for the video >driver - if it lists nv instead of nvidia, you're going to have to >change it; so while in the editor, you hit the INSERT key, then navigate >to the line you want to change, change it (from nv to nvidia) then hit >the ESC key, then hit : then wq => that will save it...then when back at >the prompt, type "reboot" and watch. > >Now, there COULD be an issue with the monitor settings - that could be >another reason you're not getting anything at the boot; but try that >first and lets see how ya goes. > >stephen kuhn - proprietor >__ >illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture >http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 >Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW >__ > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents >__ > Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products > >Beam me up, Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here! > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com >Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] switching from fedora core, need some advice
On Saturday 10 July 2004 02:20 pm, Christopher J. Bottaro wrote: > hello, > i've been a pretty devout redhat user since around 2000. that being > said, i'm thinking of switching over to mandrake 10.0 because of a > couple reasons: > > 1) i'm a huge KDE fan and that is default desktop on mandrake (as > opposed to fedora core's gnome) > 2) fedora core 2 seems to have been getting tons of complaints lately > > now i have a few questions/concerns before switching over: > > 1) typically, i do a pretty minimal linux install + dev tools and i > install all my program from source. i like to have my stuff pretty up > to date. if i'm in a bind for time, i sometimes download an rpm and > manually install it. i'm older now and more busy, i don't really have > the time to compile everything from source (else i would use gentoo i > guess)...;) i never learned how to use yum or anything like that but i > think if i do a fresh install of some linux distro i'd like to learn a > tool like that. does mandrake have anything like yum? what is package > management like and where can i learn more about it? urpmi learn about it at http://www.urpmi.org/ very easy setup at http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ > > 2) related to #1 above, i noticed that mandrake 10.0 comes with > kde-3.2. the latest version of kde is 3.2.3. is there any "easy" way > to upgrade? > > 3) there is some issue about the new kernel and dual booting with winxp > (i've read about it on the fedora mailing list). does mandrake have a > similar problem? it would seem like the answer is yes, since its a 2.6 > kernel problem. > > 4) i'm tired of manual configuring things with vim...;) since mandrake > is suppose to be the leader in "linux desktop computing", i'm hoping > that there are gui configuration tools for pretty much >everything<. is > this true? > > thats all i can think of now. i guess my main reason for switching is > KDE and i'm guessing that all of mandrakes configuration tools use the > KDE (or QT) libraries. > > what do you all think? > > thanks for the insights and advice! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re[4]: [newbie] Noob question of the day
On 7/10/2004 at 6:53 PM, JoeHill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: J> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:19:29 -0600 J> Justin Grote disseminated the following: >> wrapper J> ...speaking of wrapping, any way you could keep the line wrap under 80 columns? J> Easier to read for all involved. J> Otherwise, very informative, thanks! My line wrap is set at 70, but it must not be carrying over to the message, I'll try to fix that. THanks. __ Justin Grote Network Architect, CCNA JWG Networks Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove nospam-) SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove nospam-) Phone: (208) 631-5440 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Noob question of the day
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:19:29 -0600 Justin Grote disseminated the following: > wrapper ...speaking of wrapping, any way you could keep the line wrap under 80 columns? Easier to read for all involved. Otherwise, very informative, thanks! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org 20:51:11 up 11 days, 23:22, 6 users, load average: 1.70, 1.52, 1.45 +++ "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding." -- John Kenneth Galbraith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack
On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 07:30, Joseph Gregory Croes wrote: > And by the way I am a total newbie. I can use mandrake but with GUI. But I > am not > used with command lines. I you guy show me the steps, step by step I can do > it. > > Thanks Maybe I'm stepping in too late on this, but once the machine APPEARS as to have completed it's bootup process (when the hard drive is no longer spinning or making noise) have you tried hitting CTRL+ALT+F2 ??? You SHOULD see a "console login" when you do that - mind you SHOULD is the key word here. I saw you mentioned something about NVidia, but you didn't list it in your machine's inventory in the previous message - do you, in fact, HAVE an NVidia card? If so, and IF you can get to a console login, you can login as root, then at the prompt type: cd /etc/X11 then type: vi XF86Config-4 ...and once the editor has loaded, locate the section for the video driver - if it lists nv instead of nvidia, you're going to have to change it; so while in the editor, you hit the INSERT key, then navigate to the line you want to change, change it (from nv to nvidia) then hit the ESC key, then hit : then wq => that will save it...then when back at the prompt, type "reboot" and watch. Now, there COULD be an issue with the monitor settings - that could be another reason you're not getting anything at the boot; but try that first and lets see how ya goes. stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products Beam me up, Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Noob question of the day
On 7/7/2004 at 10:13 PM, EE ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: E> What is xinetd? xinetd is an enhanced version of inetd (internet daemon), which is basically a wrapper for other internet daemons. You can use xinetd to run FTP, BIND, Apache, etc. The benefit as opposed to standalone is that since everything goes through xinetd, you can tweak it more. Xinetd allows you to customize network utilization, set priorities for certain daemons, and tons of other crap. If you're a desktop user (or even a small server operator), its usually better to run everything in standalone. However, for larger scale stuff xinetd is invaluable to allocating resources. I guess you could somewhat think of it as "nice" (the program) for networking, but the analogy breaks down from there :) __ Justin Grote Network Architect, CCNA JWG Networks Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove nospam-) SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove nospam-) Phone: (208) 631-5440 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [newbie] switching from fedora core, need some advice
Hi Chris! Welcome to Mandrake. I've been a Fedora user too, and I think you'll come to find that Mandrake gives you great consumer flexibility, while being a very powerful server as well. It's not better than any other linux distro, just different (as they all are). I'll take your questions 1 at a time: Does mandrake have anything like yum? what is package CJB> management like and where can i learn more about it? Yes Very much! One of the best things about Mandrake is a tool called URPMI, which is a wrapper for RPM just like YUM. It maintains a list of available packages, and resolves those dreaded RPM dependencies automatically. The thing that sets URPMI apart is the fact that Mandrake mirrors maintain an hdlist of RPM headers, so instead of having to download every individual RPM header, they are all conveniently located in one file, which makes setting up installs a snap. You can have your mirror via FTP, HTTP, on a set of CDs, local to the hard drive, on an NFS share, even through an SSH tunnel. It has a lot of very powerful features if you want them, but the sum of it is this: man urpmi for more information, google for easy urpmi for quick setup of mirrors. One you're set up, when you know what you want to install (e.g. nmap), all you have to type at the shell is: urpmi nmap and it will take care of everything else for you. There is even a very polished GUI interface (rpmdrake) to URPMI similar to Windows Add/Remove Programs. This mini-HOWTO is good information too if you're not fond of those dense MAN files: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/eggnbacon/docs/urpmi-howto/ CJB> 2) related to #1 above, i noticed that mandrake 10.0 comes with CJB> kde-3.2. the latest version of kde is 3.2.3. is there any "easy" way CJB> to upgrade? Yes! New updates are released often, and to do an update of all your installed components, URPMI makes it easy. Just type this: urpmi.update -a && urpmi --auto-select and Mandrake will check for updates and automatically install them. You can even schedule this in a cron job (great for servers). If you like bleeding edge, there is the Cooker. Cooker is the development branch of Mandrake. By setting up URPMI to include the cooker mirrors, you use the same URPMI commands, but you get updates much more frequently. The downside is that they may be less stable, but I've rarely had a problem. CJB> 3) there is some issue about the new kernel and dual booting with winxp CJB> (i've read about it on the fedora mailing list). does mandrake have a CJB> similar problem? it would seem like the answer is yes, since its a 2.6 CJB> kernel problem. I'm afraid I can't answer this question for you, since I run only linux natively (I use XP too, just on a separate machine). I would assume since it is kernel related then there might be a problem, but Mandrake updates tend to get released much faster than Fedora, so it will probably be fixed quicker. You might want to check the Mandrake Bugzilla at http://qa.mandrakesoft.com and find the issue (or file one yourself), track it, and they'll let you know when a fix is found. CJB> 4) i'm tired of manual configuring things with vim...;) since mandrake CJB> is suppose to be the leader in "linux desktop computing", i'm hoping CJB> that there are gui configuration tools for pretty much >everything<. is CJB> this true? Mandrake Control Center is your friend :). While a lot of the server-related stuff is still relegated to $FavoriteTextEditor, There are tons of configuration tools for Hardware (harddrake), Networking (drakconnect), Software (rpmdrake, a GUI front-end for URPMI) CJB> thats all i can think of now. i guess my main reason for switching is CJB> KDE and i'm guessing that all of mandrakes configuration tools use the CJB> KDE (or QT) libraries. CJB> what do you all think? CJB> thanks for the insights and advice! Glad to help! Mandrake does focus on KDE, but all the other desktops are there if you want them :) Please post again with any other questions. Most of my knowledge is server-oriented, but I'm sure others can help you out with the more desktop-like tools :). __ Justin Grote Network Architect, CCNA JWG Networks Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove nospam-) SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove nospam-) Phone: (208) 631-5440 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [newbie] switching from fedora core, need some advice
On Saturday 10 July 2004 05:20 pm, Christopher J. Bottaro wrote: > hello, > i've been a pretty devout redhat user since around 2000. that being > said, i'm thinking of switching over to mandrake 10.0 because of a > couple reasons: > > 1) i'm a huge KDE fan and that is default desktop on mandrake (as > opposed to fedora core's gnome) > 2) fedora core 2 seems to have been getting tons of complaints lately > > now i have a few questions/concerns before switching over: > > 1) typically, i do a pretty minimal linux install + dev tools and i > install all my program from source. i like to have my stuff pretty up > to date. if i'm in a bind for time, i sometimes download an rpm and > manually install it. i'm older now and more busy, i don't really have > the time to compile everything from source (else i would use gentoo i > guess)...;) i never learned how to use yum or anything like that but i > think if i do a fresh install of some linux distro i'd like to learn a > tool like that. does mandrake have anything like yum? what is package > management like and where can i learn more about it? It's called urpmi, and it is awesome if you get your sources set up properly. You can start here: http://www.urpmi.org/ > > 2) related to #1 above, i noticed that mandrake 10.0 comes with > kde-3.2. the latest version of kde is 3.2.3. is there any "easy" way > to upgrade? > The version included with 10.0 is a heavily patched 3.2.2, but 3.2.3 RPMS are available for Mandrake 10.0 on ftp.kde.org. > 3) there is some issue about the new kernel and dual booting with winxp > (i've read about it on the fedora mailing list). does mandrake have a > similar problem? it would seem like the answer is yes, since its a 2.6 > kernel problem. > As long as your partitions already exist, you'll be fine. if you need to re-partition, your best bet is to use the 1st CD of 9.2 and boot to rescue mode, then using the fdisk on that, make your partitions. I guess you could run the installer for 9.2 up to the point of disk partitioning too to get a gui. Just be careful if you do that and you have an LG CDROM drive. If you do, to be safe use something else, like FC1 disk druid or the diskdrake in PCLOS (mandrake style LiveCD). > 4) i'm tired of manual configuring things with vim...;) since mandrake > is suppose to be the leader in "linux desktop computing", i'm hoping > that there are gui configuration tools for pretty much >everything<. is > this true? yes, it is called mandrake Control Center, or MCC for short. > > thats all i can think of now. i guess my main reason for switching is > KDE and i'm guessing that all of mandrakes configuration tools use the > KDE (or QT) libraries. Actually, they are GTK2 based, but that is only so that they operate at a high level of performance in a desktop environments. Since GTK is lighter weight than QT, they work well in KDE and GNOME, as well as the other lightweight DM's. > > what do you all think? > Welcome, I hope you stay. > thanks for the insights and advice! -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Won't play MIDI
My computer refuses to play MIDI files on the internet, and I can't figure out why. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] backed up files
On Saturday 10 Jul 2004 7:50 pm, mike wrote: > Justin Grote wrote: > > On 7/10/2004 at 11:33 AM, mike ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > m> Hello, > > m> something I was wondering about, when I create a file and modify > > it m> a backup is made automatically. I have seen it before but > > never m> wondered to much figureing it helps keep me from screwing > > up a lot m> of things. > > > > m> What is doing the backups? Just curious. > > > > m> Mike > > > > Do you modify it with emacs or nano(pico)? if so, they > > automatically make backups. There's a command line switch to > > disable this behavior if you want it to. > > Hi Justin, > > No on nano but I do use vi in console and kwrite in kde. > Both make a back up after I modify the file. > > I'll take a look for switchs in both and see what I can find. It's the editor. Standard methodology is: save the new file under a temporary name rename the old file to the backup name rename the new file to the correct name That does break hard links, so usually there are also preferences to make them do the backup by copying the file. Some big OSs do the backups themselves, but we're talking mainframes and minis. VMS, George... Try googling "File Generation Number". One of the best error messages of all time. MaxiMOP was an operating system that ran on top of George on ICL1900 mainframes. (If you'd ever used George, you'd know why.) As an OS, MaxiMOP needed to keep a large number of files open, but George limited it to something low. To get round this MaxiMOP renamed files it had "open" to "MAXIFILE", with different file generation numbers. Of course that only made it harder, but still possible, for someone in the George world to open the file and make it unavailable to MaxiMOP. MaxiMOP would then tell its user that the "File Has Mysteriously Disappeared." -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] xmms (further damage)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On July 10, 2004 12:11, Lee Wiggers wrote: > This is funny. I turned off "Start arts sound server" in the kde > config gui and now it works. > > So just 'cause things were all ok, I changed my hostname and setup a > static ip. Sure enough, I broke the internet connection and the lan > connection all in one swell foop. > > I recovered with a mix of gui and cli that would make an "expert" > cringe, but it worked. > > Sometimes I tickle me. > > Lee I often do such things after a 48>96 hour "day." I am not often "tickled" about the results though. Or about the time to fix my (frequent) brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] I keep the arts disable set to 0 or 1 second most times. It doesn't get in the way as much then. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.7-1.sds.16mdk 17:00:54 up 2:05, 1 user, load average: 0.44, 0.12, 0.08 Dibble's First Law of Sociology: Some do, some don't. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA8Hb2ZqvqlrLPr5YRAqykAJ98IA7Rr9vk5jgaZpzk1ziszn1WcwCgjA8v Qv7tn+5Vh6u+K1wpWNO1RaA= =gb9I -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] switching from fedora core, need some advice
hello, i've been a pretty devout redhat user since around 2000. that being said, i'm thinking of switching over to mandrake 10.0 because of a couple reasons: 1) i'm a huge KDE fan and that is default desktop on mandrake (as opposed to fedora core's gnome) 2) fedora core 2 seems to have been getting tons of complaints lately now i have a few questions/concerns before switching over: 1) typically, i do a pretty minimal linux install + dev tools and i install all my program from source. i like to have my stuff pretty up to date. if i'm in a bind for time, i sometimes download an rpm and manually install it. i'm older now and more busy, i don't really have the time to compile everything from source (else i would use gentoo i guess)...;) i never learned how to use yum or anything like that but i think if i do a fresh install of some linux distro i'd like to learn a tool like that. does mandrake have anything like yum? what is package management like and where can i learn more about it? 2) related to #1 above, i noticed that mandrake 10.0 comes with kde-3.2. the latest version of kde is 3.2.3. is there any "easy" way to upgrade? 3) there is some issue about the new kernel and dual booting with winxp (i've read about it on the fedora mailing list). does mandrake have a similar problem? it would seem like the answer is yes, since its a 2.6 kernel problem. 4) i'm tired of manual configuring things with vim...;) since mandrake is suppose to be the leader in "linux desktop computing", i'm hoping that there are gui configuration tools for pretty much >everything<. is this true? thats all i can think of now. i guess my main reason for switching is KDE and i'm guessing that all of mandrakes configuration tools use the KDE (or QT) libraries. what do you all think? thanks for the insights and advice! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: Re[4]: [newbie] Noob question of the day (update)
On Thursday 08 July 2004 06:49 am, Justin Grote wrote: > If you are connected through a router or cable modem, that device could > be advertising those ports, either as port forwarding to a different > device, or ports open on the cable modem/router itself (although these > ports are not normally be open to the outside world for security > reasons). You may want to check your cable modem/router's configuration > to see if it is forwarding any of these ports for you (it shouldn't by > factory default settings). > > Hope that helps, don't hesitate to post again if you need more info :) > Justin, as an update to this, what I did was go to a friends box and try to telnet to my ip address. Only once did I get a login box, however, it wasn't for my system but a login box for my modem. I was able to log into the modem once, other attempts after that showed connection refused. The same with a ping. Telnet asked for a user id/password, entered the correct one and got a connection refused. I had the firestarter gui up during this and when I got back there were no hits shown on the firewall log and nothing showing in my syslog. Therefore its my conclusion that the three open ports are for modem configuration and not actaully on my box. Right or wrong? -- Chris Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org 5:11pm up 11 days, 22:31, 2 users, load average: 0.79, 0.79, 0.59 Beauty may be skin deep, but ugly goes clear to the bone. -- Redd Foxx Live - From Virgin Radio UK Virgin Radio Classic Tracks - The original classic rock station Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] xmms (further damage)
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:59:20 -0600 Charlie Mahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With that in mind, and the hours involved, I _must_ have a log in > sound to wake me up. > > Know what I mean? > > Charlie This is funny. I turned off "Start arts sound server" in the kde config gui and now it works. So just 'cause things were all ok, I changed my hostname and setup a static ip. Sure enough, I broke the internet connection and the lan connection all in one swell foop. I recovered with a mix of gui and cli that would make an "expert" cringe, but it worked. Sometimes I tickle me. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] TV Card recommendation
Thanks for the information, it was very helpful. I think I will go for the 350. If it doesn't work on MDK, I will just use it on my windows XP boot. Mike - Original Message - From: "Scott Mazur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] TV Card recommendation > On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:47:56 -0400, Michael Adolf wrote > > I am ready to purchase a TV Card > > > > Requirements: > > Include cable ready tuner > > have s-video in/out > > accept antenna or cable > > PCI > > > > TVWin (TV-PVR-350) does everything I want. Is this the one to get. > > Any cheaper available. > > > > Recommendations?? > > PVR-350 contains an mpeg encoder and decoder hardware. In other words you > can capture directly to an mpeg file and save a ton of processing power. > Likewise you can send an mpeg file directly to the card and get video out. > Again saving a ton of processing power. > > The catch is support. PVR-350 output is still bleeding edge. You won't > easily find drivers for Mandrake. The encoder part (capture) is not so > bleeding edge, but you'll still have trouble finding drivers for Mandrake. > The 2.6 kernel support is still pretty fresh. > > You can get around the decoder (output) poor support with any number of > graphic cards that have TV out. In that case the TV-PVR-250 is a cheaper > option. It's exactly the same as the 350, but without the output. The PVR- > 250 has been supported in the 2.4 kernel for some time now and near as I can > tell, 2.6 kernel support is there too. (at least that's what I've been > told, I'm still trying). You'll have to do your own leg work, it's not part > of the Mandrake config tools. > > If you can stand living on the edge, the PVR-350 should be a nicely > supported hardware before too long, but the card may sit not fully used > until then. > > In theory, ATI TV Wonder (capture only) cards should be supported, but I've > yet to produce proof of that. Stay away from ATI all-in-wonder cards (as > I've learned). > > Win-TV GO cards are easily installed and supported well. Great if you're > looking to get TV up on the monitor with a minum fuss (and they're > relatively cheap). I never had much luck capturing anything to file (never > tried very hard) but install and config is fully supported in Mdk. > > Other than these I can't comment. > > Scott > > -- > Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! > (http://www.littlefish.ca) > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack
And by the way I am a total newbie. I can use mandrake but with GUI. But I am not used with command lines. I you guy show me the steps, step by step I can do it. Thanks >From: "Joseph Gregory Croes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack >Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:19:17 + > >Here is my spec: > >Intel D850MV motherboard >Pentium 4 Processor 2.0 GHZ 478 Pin >Geforce 3 TI-500 64 MB Grafics card >Nec Multisync FE950+ CRT monitor >358 MB Ram (rimm) >Adapted 29160N U160 scsi controler >IBM Ultrastar 36.4 GB >CNET network card >ADSL starbridge modem >Linksys wrt54G router >Mandrake 10.0 Official Power Pack ( downloaded from mandrake club) >Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse > >Thanks for reply > > > > >>From: Carroll Grigsby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power >Pack >>Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:00:42 -0400 >> >>On Saturday 10 July 2004 08:06 am, Joseph Gregory Croes wrote: >> > Dear sir, >> > When I start up mandrake after the bootscreen my monitor >turns black. >> > Some body has told me that the posible trouble is the nv >driver that is >> > installed inplace of the invidia driver. I am a newbie and >I dont know the >> > steps to get the problem fixed >> > Can one of you guys show me the steps. >> > >> > thanks, >> > Gregory >> >>Gregory: >>This is at least the fourth time in the past week that you have >posted a >>message on this topic. Several people have already responded, >offering >>suggestions as to how you might solve your problem. Have you >tried any of >>those? What happened? Also, other than you are attempting to get >10.0 >>PowerPack up and running, you have provided no information on >your system. >>Please tell us about your hardware, particularly: >> >>CPU >>Motherboard >>RAM >>Video card -- there are all kinds of nvidia cards out there, so >be specific >>about chipset and memory. Is it onboard or a separate card? >>Monitor/display >>Any other OS installed? >>Hard drive(s) >>Laptop or desktop? >> >>FWIW, I'm a bit dubious about the nv driver being the source of >your trouble. >>The nvidia drivers provide various performance enhancements, >particularly 3D, >>but the plain old nv drivers should give you some kind of usable >display. >>-- cmg >> >> >> >>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com >>Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com >> > >_ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com >Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack
Here is my spec: Intel D850MV motherboard Pentium 4 Processor 2.0 GHZ 478 Pin Geforce 3 TI-500 64 MB Grafics card Nec Multisync FE950+ CRT monitor 358 MB Ram (rimm) Adapted 29160N U160 scsi controler IBM Ultrastar 36.4 GB CNET network card ADSL starbridge modem Linksys wrt54G router Mandrake 10.0 Official Power Pack ( downloaded from mandrake club) Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse Thanks for reply >From: Carroll Grigsby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack >Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:00:42 -0400 > >On Saturday 10 July 2004 08:06 am, Joseph Gregory Croes wrote: > > Dear sir, > > When I start up mandrake after the bootscreen my monitor turns black. > > Some body has told me that the posible trouble is the nv driver that is > > installed inplace of the invidia driver. I am a newbie and I dont know the > > steps to get the problem fixed > > Can one of you guys show me the steps. > > > > thanks, > > Gregory > >Gregory: >This is at least the fourth time in the past week that you have posted a >message on this topic. Several people have already responded, offering >suggestions as to how you might solve your problem. Have you tried any of >those? What happened? Also, other than you are attempting to get 10.0 >PowerPack up and running, you have provided no information on your system. >Please tell us about your hardware, particularly: > >CPU >Motherboard >RAM >Video card -- there are all kinds of nvidia cards out there, so be specific >about chipset and memory. Is it onboard or a separate card? >Monitor/display >Any other OS installed? >Hard drive(s) >Laptop or desktop? > >FWIW, I'm a bit dubious about the nv driver being the source of your trouble. >The nvidia drivers provide various performance enhancements, particularly 3D, >but the plain old nv drivers should give you some kind of usable display. >-- cmg > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com >Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack
Here is my spec: Intel D850MV motherboard Pentium 4 Processor 2.0 GHZ 478 Pin Geforce 3 TI-500 64 MB Grafics card Nec Multisync FE950+ CRT monitor 358 MB Ram (rimm) Adapted 29160N U160 scsi controler IBM Ultrastar 36.4 GB CNET network card ADSL starbridge modem Linksys wrt54G router Mandrake 10.0 Official Power Pack ( downloaded from mandrake club) Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse Thanks for reply >From: Carroll Grigsby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack >Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:00:42 -0400 > >On Saturday 10 July 2004 08:06 am, Joseph Gregory Croes wrote: > > Dear sir, > > When I start up mandrake after the bootscreen my monitor turns black. > > Some body has told me that the posible trouble is the nv driver that is > > installed inplace of the invidia driver. I am a newbie and I dont know the > > steps to get the problem fixed > > Can one of you guys show me the steps. > > > > thanks, > > Gregory > >Gregory: >This is at least the fourth time in the past week that you have posted a >message on this topic. Several people have already responded, offering >suggestions as to how you might solve your problem. Have you tried any of >those? What happened? Also, other than you are attempting to get 10.0 >PowerPack up and running, you have provided no information on your system. >Please tell us about your hardware, particularly: > >CPU >Motherboard >RAM >Video card -- there are all kinds of nvidia cards out there, so be specific >about chipset and memory. Is it onboard or a separate card? >Monitor/display >Any other OS installed? >Hard drive(s) >Laptop or desktop? > >FWIW, I'm a bit dubious about the nv driver being the source of your trouble. >The nvidia drivers provide various performance enhancements, particularly 3D, >but the plain old nv drivers should give you some kind of usable display. >-- cmg > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com >Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack
Here is my spec: Intel D850MV motherboard Pentium 4 Processor 2.0 GHZ 478 Pin 358 MB Ram (rimm) Adapted 29160N U160 scsi controler IBM Ultrastar 36.4 GB CNET network card ADSL starbridge modem Linksys wrt54G router Mandrake 10.0 Official Power Pack ( downloaded from mandrake club) Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse Thanks for reply >From: Carroll Grigsby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack >Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:00:42 -0400 > >On Saturday 10 July 2004 08:06 am, Joseph Gregory Croes wrote: > > Dear sir, > > When I start up mandrake after the bootscreen my monitor turns black. > > Some body has told me that the posible trouble is the nv driver that is > > installed inplace of the invidia driver. I am a newbie and I dont know the > > steps to get the problem fixed > > Can one of you guys show me the steps. > > > > thanks, > > Gregory > >Gregory: >This is at least the fourth time in the past week that you have posted a >message on this topic. Several people have already responded, offering >suggestions as to how you might solve your problem. Have you tried any of >those? What happened? Also, other than you are attempting to get 10.0 >PowerPack up and running, you have provided no information on your system. >Please tell us about your hardware, particularly: > >CPU >Motherboard >RAM >Video card -- there are all kinds of nvidia cards out there, so be specific >about chipset and memory. Is it onboard or a separate card? >Monitor/display >Any other OS installed? >Hard drive(s) >Laptop or desktop? > >FWIW, I'm a bit dubious about the nv driver being the source of your trouble. >The nvidia drivers provide various performance enhancements, particularly 3D, >but the plain old nv drivers should give you some kind of usable display. >-- cmg > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com >Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Port 113
On Saturday 10 July 2004 12:05 pm, Justin Grote wrote: > On 7/10/2004 at 9:08 AM, David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > D> Can somebody tell me how to stealth this port using Shorewall? > - > Assumptions: > > You're using the default zones of loc (inside), net (outside), and fw > (firewall/computer). > > You want to stealth this port on your firewall to the outside world. > > Using Shorewall 2.x > - > > Real simple. In your /etc/shorewall/rules file, simply add this line: > > DROP net fw tcp 11 > > Restart and you're good to go. I was able to stealth port 113 by adding a new rule with these parameters you listed using Webmin. I first tried to edit the /etc/shorewall/rules file, but that didn't work. Thanks. David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] xmms
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On July 10, 2004 09:22, Lee Wiggers wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:52:13 -0600 > > Charlie Mahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We at least seem to have made some progress. <-: > > > > Charlie > > - -- > > Sure, I'm pragmatic enough to settle for "It's working so what if I > don't know why". True enough. If it ain't broke... > > Thanks For what? You're welcome. > It didn't help that I never said I was on 9.2 on this box. I'd > upgrade to 10 but I'm not sure if the Apache2 issues were resolved > and this is my server for aeis.tv. Probably didn't matter that much did it? I'm not sure whether the Apache2 issues were resolved either. Since all I ever do with servers for anyone is to tell them to hire a network specialist after they're installed, I'm only vaguely aware of what issues you mean. But that would probably be obvious. > Anyway now it's not broke. Nothing left to fix except some dumb > login noise. Hardly an issue when logins are only once in a blue > moon. > > Lee You are correct, logins *should be* a once in a blue moon occurrence; but some people (me) use their own systems to format new customer hard drives, load version trees (freshly rsynced) so that ftp or CD installs are not required, set up a current "Windows Utilities" directory so that anyone that forces me to load that OS has a firewalled/current anti-virus enabled system before it ever connects to a network of any sort. With that in mind, and the hours involved, I _must_ have a log in sound to wake me up. Know what I mean? Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.7-1.sds.16mdk 13:47:33 up 23:20, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.11, 0.09 For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. -- Harrison -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA8EqYZqvqlrLPr5YRAh+KAJ9ndbG2g97cqXKDHxHSlcJLW/BIbACfVSpV iOlfAd/9TTEVrJT9O5/gIss= =pqmT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Port 113
> D> Can somebody tell me how to stealth this port using Shorewall? > - > Assumptions: > > You're using the default zones of loc (inside), net (outside), and fw > (firewall/computer). > > You want to stealth this port on your firewall to the outside world. > > Using Shorewall 2.x > - > > Real simple. In your /etc/shorewall/rules file, simply add this line: > > DROP net fw tcp 11 What would the rules be to do the same for port 80 and port 135? Simon Utley. Liverpool. UK. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] xmms
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:52:13 -0600 Charlie Mahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We at least seem to have made some progress. <-: > > Charlie > - -- Sure, I'm pragmatic enough to settle for "It's working so what if I don't know why". Thanks It didn't help that I never said I was on 9.2 on this box. I'd upgrade to 10 but I'm not sure if the Apache2 issues were resolved and this is my server for aeis.tv. Anyway now it's not broke. Nothing left to fix except some dumb login noise. Hardly an issue when logins are only once in a blue moon. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] backed up files
Justin Grote wrote: > On 7/10/2004 at 11:33 AM, mike ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > m> Hello, > m> something I was wondering about, when I create a file and modify it > m> a backup is made automatically. I have seen it before but never > m> wondered to much figureing it helps keep me from screwing up a lot > m> of things. > > m> What is doing the backups? Just curious. > > m> Mike > > Do you modify it with emacs or nano(pico)? if so, they automatically make backups. > There's a command line switch to disable this behavior if you want it to. > Hi Justin, No on nano but I do use vi in console and kwrite in kde. Both make a back up after I modify the file. I'll take a look for switchs in both and see what I can find. Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Network setup - can't ping router
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > If you can access the Internet, and the setup page on the router, then > I would not worry about being able to ping it. It could be that the > router will not respond to pings from a wireless connection... I wish this were the case. I think the problem might be due to mandrake control center. In order to setup the wireless card I did modprobe ndiswrapper loadndisdriver blah blah blah blah iwconfig wlan0 power off iwconfig wlan0 key open X iwconfig wlan0 essid "House" ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.105 route add default gw 192.168.1.1 When I go to Mandrake Control Center to check what the internet settings are it has different settings for wlan0 then what I manually configured. Is there a way to maybe turn off the mcc internet configuration, or at least point me towards what files I need to modify to get the settings in line? > > Mikkel > > > Dumb question time. > Can you ping the router from other computers on the network? > > If so, is it only the wireless connection you can not ping from? Nope, the other computers on the network are able to ping the router wireless or not. > > Are you running a firewall on the wireless computer? > I was but I just disabled it - no affect. > Can you access the Internet using the wireless connection through the > router? Not from my computer. Any attempt to fire up a browser just sits and spins. Any attempt at pinging IP's outside of the network returns a "network not available" error. (Or something like that) Other computers using the wireless connection work fine > > Can you access setup on the router using the wireless connection? > (Usually http://192.168.1.1) Again, not from my computer but the other wireless computers are okay. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] backed up files
On 7/10/2004 at 11:33 AM, mike ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: m> Hello, m> something I was wondering about, when I create a file and modify it m> a backup is made automatically. I have seen it before but never m> wondered to much figureing it helps keep me from screwing up a lot m> of things. m> What is doing the backups? Just curious. m> Mike Do you modify it with emacs or nano(pico)? if so, they automatically make backups. There's a command line switch to disable this behavior if you want it to. __ Justin Grote Network Architect, CCNA JWG Networks Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove nospam-) SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove nospam-) Phone: (208) 631-5440 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [newbie] TV Card recommendation
On Wednesday 07 July 2004 06:54 pm, Scott Mazur wrote: > You'll have to do your own leg work, it's not part > of the Mandrake config tools. sure do wish it would be > Win-TV GO cards are easily installed and supported well. Great if you're > looking to get TV up on the monitor with a minum fuss (and they're > relatively cheap). I never had much luck capturing anything to file (never > tried very hard) but install and config is fully supported in Mdk. capture works just fine as long as video card support is there, a bttv848 (regular winTV pci) chip card works 'out of the box' after runing harddrake (it will install xawtv, in most recent versions of Mandake) -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] backed up files
Hello, something I was wondering about, when I create a file and modify it a backup is made automatically. I have seen it before but never wondered to much figureing it helps keep me from screwing up a lot of things. What is doing the backups? Just curious. Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Port 113
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:51:23 -0600, Charlie Mahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --/* snip */-- > > If you like I'll send you a "standalone cable connected" shorewall/rules file > that will stealth *everything.* Including icmp (echo) requests. > > It's over 10 kbytes so I'd rather it happen off list. Let me know, OK? > > Charlie > --/* snip */-- Charlie, After I read your post and i thinking a while, i'd like your rules file too if you like to send me, i'm jealous with F-117 and sometimes i want to be invisible like Hollow Man.. grin.. Thanks, Bambang Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Port 113
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On July 10, 2004 09:08 am, David wrote: > Can somebody tell me how to stealth this port using Shorewall? If you like I'll send you a "standalone cable connected" shorewall/rules file that will stealth *everything.* Including icmp (echo) requests. It's over 10 kbytes so I'd rather it happen off list. Let me know, OK? Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.7-1.sds.16mdk 10:48:45 up 20:21, 1 user, load average: 0.34, 0.15, 0.13 Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around us in awareness. -- James Thurber -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA8B6LZqvqlrLPr5YRAi9gAKCk7vsDa70oRvAniWfR7VclRz5TlgCgnNJX HQ9fiNL4Ma/TYH313UhQz/c= =dK18 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Network setup - can't ping router
Job Evers wrote: I just set up my wireless card (see previous posts about the buffalo card) and it seems like ndiswrapper has done a good job getting everything going. I have one last hiccup - I can't talk to the router. I can ping other computers on the network, but when I go to ping the router (192.168.1.1) I get nothing. Dumb question time. Can you ping the router from other computers on the network? If so, is it only the wireless connection you can not ping from? Are you running a firewall on the wireless computer? Can you access the Internet using the wireless connection through the router? Can you access setup on the router using the wireless connection? (Usually http://192.168.1.1) If you can access the Internet, and the setup page on the router, then I would not worry about being able to ping it. It could be that the router will not respond to pings from a wireless connection... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Port 113
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On July 10, 2004 09:08 am, David wrote: > Can somebody tell me how to stealth this port using Shorewall? I can tell you it may cause problems if you aren't careful. Check this search result, be aware of word wrap: http://www.google.ca/linux?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=port+113&btnG=Google+Search&meta= Interesting discussions at linuxquestions.org http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/177936 Open a terminal, su to root and run a command such as: netstat -alnp Track down what's using the auth port and decide whether you want to kill it. It's a start, right? Good luck; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.7-1.sds.16mdk 10:06:08 up 19:38, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.14, 0.18 The Tree of Learning bears the noblest fruit, but noble fruit tastes bad. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA8BUHZqvqlrLPr5YRArXwAJ41N+smvNED44oJ+vy53zdo1y19GgCfeGHl heVViizTSbGtsSC/RFNgzrw= =xYXp -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Port 113
On 7/10/2004 at 9:08 AM, David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: D> Can somebody tell me how to stealth this port using Shorewall? - Assumptions: You're using the default zones of loc (inside), net (outside), and fw (firewall/computer). You want to stealth this port on your firewall to the outside world. Using Shorewall 2.x - Real simple. In your /etc/shorewall/rules file, simply add this line: DROPnet fw tcp 11 Restart and you're good to go. Some notes - DROP will "stealth" the port, but you can always use REJECT to actively refuse the connection. I personally think the security difference is negligible and it is better to use REJECT for its testing benefits (The Shorewall guys agree with me) The Shorewall Documentation is pretty good, and available at: http://www.shorewall.net/Documentation_Index.html Also, Mandrake has a product (called Mandrake Network Firewall), which has a VERY nice web interface to shorewall. You can get the RPMs for free if you're running 10.0 by typing urpmi mnf. This installs a lot of other stuff though, so I would recommend only doing it on a computer that will be a dedicated firewall. Hope that helps! Post if it worked for you or not so future archive readers can know if this was a working solution :) __ Justin Grote Network Architect, CCNA JWG Networks Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove nospam-) SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove nospam-) Phone: (208) 631-5440 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack
On Saturday 10 July 2004 08:06 am, Joseph Gregory Croes wrote: > Dear sir, > When I start up mandrake after the bootscreen my monitor turns black. > Some body has told me that the posible trouble is the nv driver that is > installed inplace of the invidia driver. I am a newbie and I dont know the > steps to get the problem fixed > Can one of you guys show me the steps. > > thanks, > Gregory Gregory: This is at least the fourth time in the past week that you have posted a message on this topic. Several people have already responded, offering suggestions as to how you might solve your problem. Have you tried any of those? What happened? Also, other than you are attempting to get 10.0 PowerPack up and running, you have provided no information on your system. Please tell us about your hardware, particularly: CPU Motherboard RAM Video card -- there are all kinds of nvidia cards out there, so be specific about chipset and memory. Is it onboard or a separate card? Monitor/display Any other OS installed? Hard drive(s) Laptop or desktop? FWIW, I'm a bit dubious about the nv driver being the source of your trouble. The nvidia drivers provide various performance enhancements, particularly 3D, but the plain old nv drivers should give you some kind of usable display. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Port 113
Can somebody tell me how to stealth this port using Shorewall? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] xmms
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On July 10, 2004 03:31 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: > > StrangeI made changes directly in the .config file, restarted x > and got nothing but noise on login and xmms both in .mp3s and > shoutcast this time. Unbelievably weird. Almost like having to reboot to make any changes be effective when you run Windows. > I changed the config back to oss from the xmms gui and now all is > working except kde login. > > My guess is that kde is using arts and xmms is now using oss. KDE always uses arts for sound. But the _sound system_ (the arts daemon) uses either ALSA or OSS drivers. I think that you, since the ALSA module is built into the 2.6.xx kernels, may be better to have xmms use the arts plug-in so KDE can control the priority, but switch the sound system (menu>system>configuration>sound>Sound System) to ALSA. Then there shouldn't be any more scheduling conflicts. My "KDE is starting" is clear, so are the media players for movies, mp3s, oggs, and disks. > Does it matter? Couldn't care less about login noise. > > Also the shoutcast quality seems better now. > > Lee We at least seem to have made some progress. <-: Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.7-1.sds.16mdk 08:40:46 up 18:13, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.03, 0.00 "...and the fully armed nuclear warheads, are, of course, merely a courtesy detail." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA8AKdZqvqlrLPr5YRAu/yAJ9LizNeZjogdUaf74BSwcp1vfE1qACgniGC 5ufbtEnvFAqtw/PeD9ka23s= =cgty -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mouse issues - CURSORS
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:17:29 +1000 Stephen Kuhn disseminated the following: > /usr/bin/choose_cursor Very cool, thanks! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org 10:59:51 up 11 days, 13:30, 6 users, load average: 1.34, 1.36, 1.35 +++ "If Stephen Harper was prime minister, Canadian soldiers would be coming home from Iraq in body bags." -- Keith Martin, Former Conservative Party Member Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mouse issues - CURSORS
On Sat, 2004-07-10 at 23:31, JoeHill wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:32:23 +1000 > Stephen Kuhn disseminated the following: > > > > > Well, did get it sorted out, but still having the shits with > > > > cursor-themes just NOT sticking properly...I know that's a tad > > > > unimportant, but I like my whiteglass mouse cursor... > > > > > > Hmmm, now that sounds interesting...how might I tell X to use a different > > > cursor? Keep in mind I don't run one of those bloated desktops like XFCE ;-) > > > > urpmi --fuzzy cursor > > I got that far, but I'm not sure how to tell X to use the custom cursors...some > config file I gotta edit somewheres? Google not much help so far. > > > (XFCE4 is far from bloatware like GuhNome and KrayDE) > > Agreed! You know I'm jokin' with ya, rubberneck! /usr/bin/choose_cursor stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Linux and Iraq
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:08:17 -0700 (PDT) karthik bala guru disseminated the following: > But, i have seen Iraq Linux User Group (LUG) around > 2002 And I beleive that it is not their first > LUG or call for linux in Iraq to build themselves. Perhaps those guys became 'collateral damage'? -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org 09:47:33 up 11 days, 12:18, 6 users, load average: 1.26, 1.33, 1.03 +++ "The struggle between people and capital is now an epic struggle between life and death." -- Vandana Shiva, World Social Forum, January 16, 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mouse issues
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:32:23 +1000 Stephen Kuhn disseminated the following: > > > Well, did get it sorted out, but still having the shits with > > > cursor-themes just NOT sticking properly...I know that's a tad > > > unimportant, but I like my whiteglass mouse cursor... > > > > Hmmm, now that sounds interesting...how might I tell X to use a different > > cursor? Keep in mind I don't run one of those bloated desktops like XFCE ;-) > > urpmi --fuzzy cursor I got that far, but I'm not sure how to tell X to use the custom cursors...some config file I gotta edit somewheres? Google not much help so far. > (XFCE4 is far from bloatware like GuhNome and KrayDE) Agreed! You know I'm jokin' with ya, rubberneck! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org 09:28:45 up 11 days, 11:59, 6 users, load average: 1.75, 0.74, 0.27 +++ Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws. -- Amschel Mayer Rothschild, banker Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] xmms
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:01:38 + Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks, Charlie. I got the config file. I'll compare them and > see what's wrong here. > > Lee StrangeI made changes directly in the .config file, restarted x and got nothing but noise on login and xmms both in .mp3s and shoutcast this time. I changed the config back to oss from the xmms gui and now all is working except kde login. My guess is that kde is using arts and xmms is now using oss. Does it matter? Couldn't care less about login noise. Also the shoutcast quality seems better now. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to decypher dialupscript
Martin Foster wrote: On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:11:56 +0100, John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Heres wanadoo's technical support reply to my email last night, --- Dear John, Thank you for your email. The 1470 is only needed if your caller identity is witheld - it usually will not cause any problem whether the number is witheld or not. If you have any further queries then please do not hesitate to get in contact with us again. Kind Regards Wanadoo Technical Support REF:WOOTS Original Message Follows: I'm currently using, 147008089916080 147008089916164 But is the 1470 strictly necessary, - And so I'm flabbergasted. Never would of thought it. But there it is. and so you think I should remove 1470 then ? I don't see any harm in removing it. However, I don't think that's what causing the problems. Have you had a look at my other suggestions yet? OK, I've removed the 1470 prefix and am having less trouble, but it's too soon to say, but I'm hopeful. I'm thinking if this holds up, then maybe the problem is that kppp handles prefix numbers on the initial dialup but not subsequently on redial due to a cutoff.Could that make sense ? Somehow it does not handle the 1470 prefix on redial, but that of course does not account for why I am getting poor email download in the first place, that is, that I'm getting cut off during a pop3 download. Wanadoo my ISP may be rationalising the use of their equipement, I don't know, though I strongly suspect it, but they would hardly want to cut users off mid email download. That I find unlikely. It is not in their best interest. Especially high traffic user like me. I maybe get 400/ 800 emails a day (about 1/3 is spam though) and they want to get this traffic off their servers ASAP for obvious reasons. I tried Stephens AT string, AT &F &C1 &D2 E1 Q0 V1,it hung, Not sure where to put ATH0 for the hangup string . I currently have +++ATH , I'm to change that to ATH0 ?, I currently have hangup response OK, presumeably leave that. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10.0 hostname problem
On Friday 09 July 2004 04:46 pm, Bill Shirley wrote: ->Also, I don't think you can set IPADDR in this file. It should ->be set in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0: Er, when I said in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts, I did mean ifcfg-eth0 in *that* directory - sorry for the confusion. :-) I've (apparently) got it fixed now. I went into the MCC and just deleted that connection and created a totally new one. Whatever it was...its gone, the hostname is as it should be. Thanks for your reply. -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Problem login mandrake 10.0 offical Power Pack
Dear sir, When I start up mandrake after the bootscreen my monitor turns black. Some body has told me that the posible trouble is the nv driver that is installed inplace of the invidia driver. I am a newbie and I dont know the steps to get the problem fixed Can one of you guys show me the steps. thanks, Gregory _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to decypher dialupscript
On Saturday 10 Jul 2004 11:55, Martin Foster wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:11:56 +0100, John Richard Smith > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Martin Foster wrote: > >> On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:26:21 +0100, Margot > >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Martin Foster wrote: > On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:46:18 +0100, John Richard Smith > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK > > ATM1L1 > > OK > > ATDT147008089916080 > > Why are you using "1470" in front of your ISP's phone number? > > Judging by your email address, your ISP is FreeServe. When I had an > account with them, it was unnecessary to use "1470". > >>> > >>> Freeserve is now Wanadoo - or, judging by their service, Wanadon't! > >>> I use the same number for dialup, and queried this with them - they > >>> said the 1470 is an essential part of their dialup number, or I'd > >>> get charged for the call by BT! > >> > >> H, here's the result of a search for "1470" on BeeTee's Web site: > >> > >> "A customer with Permanent Number Withhold on their line can release > >> their number on a per call basis by dialling 1470 before dialling the > >> number of the person they would like to call. This means that the > >> person they are calling will be able to see the caller's number on > >> Caller Display or be told it through the free 1471 service." > > > > Heres wanadoo's technical support reply to my email last night, > > > > - > >-- > > > > Dear John, > > > > Thank you for your email. > > > > The 1470 is only needed if your caller identity is witheld - it usually > > will not cause any problem whether the number is witheld or not. > > > > If you have any further queries then please do not hesitate to get in > > contact with us again. > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Wanadoo Technical Support > > REF:WOOTS > > > > > > Original Message Follows: > > > > I'm currently using, > > 147008089916080 > > 147008089916164 > > > > But is the 1470 strictly necessary, > > - > > > > And so I'm flabbergasted. > > Never would of thought it. > > But there it is. > > > > > > and so you think I should remove 1470 then ? > > I don't see any harm in removing it. > > However, I don't think that's what causing the problems. > Have you had a look at my other suggestions yet? Shot in the dark here as it's a long time since I was on dial up but I needed to use 1470 with BT Internet . I needed to put 2 commas between 1470 and the rest of number so it dialled 1470,,0845 the ,, creates a pause (IIRC each comma is 1 second) -- http://www.poogle.co.uk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] xmms
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:50:12 -0600 Charlie Mahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On July 9, 2004 08:09 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: > > > It's xmms 1.2.8. Not much to add. It plays shoutcast streams > > for days without a hitch and used to do .mp3s well too but now > > all I get is raucous noise when I click on a tune. > > > > The same mp3 plays fine in Totem. > > > > Lee > > I'm sending you my xmms/config file off list Lee. I don't know if > it will help you or not but I got the kinks out of the sound early > this morning. > > Running KDE as desktop manager: > > Installed xmms-arts, installed xmms-kde, changed the plug-in to > artis rather than OSS or ALSA and set the sound system to ALSA. > Logged out, logged back in. XMMS is playing clearly from a 30 GB > 'sound' partition (all OGG files; I'm a music nut.) as I type > this. > > What I did may have been moot though. There were a few KDE updates > for cooker today. Or last night maybe. > > Config file on it's way. It's 2 KB. > > Charlie > - -- > Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org > Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel > 2.6.7-1.sds.16mdk 01:41:36 up 11:14, 1 user, load average: 0.07, > 0.14, 0.24 New York is real. The rest is done with mirrors. > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFA75+0ZqvqlrLPr5YRApbuAKCeDRb2WzykrzQ5zFBIcOibzRSf8ACgjnAS > eqzQtZGRUUL5WaA55+i/qAA= > =yHas > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > Thanks, Charlie. I got the config file. I'll compare them and see what's wrong here. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Multiple monitor setup
In my Linux box I have 2 graphics cards: 1. nVidia RIVA TNT2 (AGP) 2. 3dfx Voodoo Banshee (PCI) I have seperate monitors plugged into each graphics card, the idea being to use MDK 10's multiple monitor support. I've twiddled and fiddled with the setup and I just cannot get both monitors to work at the same time. Can some kind soul give me clear concise instructions how to set this up. Thanks in advance . -- Martin Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to decypher dialupscript
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:11:56 +0100, John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Martin Foster wrote: On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:26:21 +0100, Margot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Martin Foster wrote: On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:46:18 +0100, John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK ATM1L1 OK ATDT147008089916080 Why are you using "1470" in front of your ISP's phone number? Judging by your email address, your ISP is FreeServe. When I had an account with them, it was unnecessary to use "1470". Freeserve is now Wanadoo - or, judging by their service, Wanadon't! I use the same number for dialup, and queried this with them - they said the 1470 is an essential part of their dialup number, or I'd get charged for the call by BT! H, here's the result of a search for "1470" on BeeTee's Web site: "A customer with Permanent Number Withhold on their line can release their number on a per call basis by dialling 1470 before dialling the number of the person they would like to call. This means that the person they are calling will be able to see the caller's number on Caller Display or be told it through the free 1471 service." Heres wanadoo's technical support reply to my email last night, --- Dear John, Thank you for your email. The 1470 is only needed if your caller identity is witheld - it usually will not cause any problem whether the number is witheld or not. If you have any further queries then please do not hesitate to get in contact with us again. Kind Regards Wanadoo Technical Support REF:WOOTS Original Message Follows: I'm currently using, 147008089916080 147008089916164 But is the 1470 strictly necessary, - And so I'm flabbergasted. Never would of thought it. But there it is. and so you think I should remove 1470 then ? I don't see any harm in removing it. However, I don't think that's what causing the problems. Have you had a look at my other suggestions yet? -- Martin Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to decypher dialupscript
Martin Foster wrote: On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:26:21 +0100, Margot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Martin Foster wrote: On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:46:18 +0100, John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK ATM1L1 OK ATDT147008089916080 Why are you using "1470" in front of your ISP's phone number? Judging by your email address, your ISP is FreeServe. When I had an account with them, it was unnecessary to use "1470". Freeserve is now Wanadoo - or, judging by their service, Wanadon't! I use the same number for dialup, and queried this with them - they said the 1470 is an essential part of their dialup number, or I'd get charged for the call by BT! H, here's the result of a search for "1470" on BeeTee's Web site: "A customer with Permanent Number Withhold on their line can release their number on a per call basis by dialling 1470 before dialling the number of the person they would like to call. This means that the person they are calling will be able to see the caller's number on Caller Display or be told it through the free 1471 service." Heres wanadoo's technical support reply to my email last night, --- Dear John, Thank you for your email. The 1470 is only needed if your caller identity is witheld - it usually will not cause any problem whether the number is witheld or not. If you have any further queries then please do not hesitate to get in contact with us again. Kind Regards Wanadoo Technical Support REF:WOOTS Original Message Follows: I'm currently using, 147008089916080 147008089916164 But is the 1470 strictly necessary, - And so I'm flabbergasted. Never would of thought it. But there it is. and so you think I should remove 1470 then ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] xmms
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On July 9, 2004 08:09 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: > It's xmms 1.2.8. Not much to add. It plays shoutcast streams for > days without a hitch and used to do .mp3s well too but now all I get > is raucous noise when I click on a tune. > > The same mp3 plays fine in Totem. > > Lee I'm sending you my xmms/config file off list Lee. I don't know if it will help you or not but I got the kinks out of the sound early this morning. Running KDE as desktop manager: Installed xmms-arts, installed xmms-kde, changed the plug-in to artis rather than OSS or ALSA and set the sound system to ALSA. Logged out, logged back in. XMMS is playing clearly from a 30 GB 'sound' partition (all OGG files; I'm a music nut.) as I type this. What I did may have been moot though. There were a few KDE updates for cooker today. Or last night maybe. Config file on it's way. It's 2 KB. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.7-1.sds.16mdk 01:41:36 up 11:14, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.14, 0.24 New York is real. The rest is done with mirrors. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA75+0ZqvqlrLPr5YRApbuAKCeDRb2WzykrzQ5zFBIcOibzRSf8ACgjnAS eqzQtZGRUUL5WaA55+i/qAA= =yHas -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
