date:20040930

On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 01:14, Eric Huff wrote:
> > > Looks like they updated the Expert list, but Newbie is still
> > > showing nothing for September.
> > 
> > Joe:
> > I dug a little deeper, and found that the last message indexed at 
> > archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie was by Eric Huff at 04:29 on
> > November 15, 2003; the subject was (are you ready) "** LIST
> > ISSUES: PLEASE READ **". (How's that for irony?) 
> 
> LOL!  If i remember correctly, that post was probably about the
> thousands of emails bouncing from ex-listmembers or members with
> full accounts. 
> 
> Shortly after that, they set up a script at mandrake to kill
> bouncing addresses, so the two are linked, though it's funny that
> was the last post!
> 
> It's a shame mandrake never re-subscribed themselves to the list
> after the big burp.

I'm a little confused.  What do you mean mandrake never re-subscribed?

> 
> Who do we contact there these days?  Is Vincent still active?  
> 
> eric

Active, no.  Responsible for list servers staying up, probably.

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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

> > Looks like they updated the Expert list, but Newbie is still
> > showing nothing for September.
> 
> Joe:
> I dug a little deeper, and found that the last message indexed at 
> archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie was by Eric Huff at 04:29 on
> November 15, 2003; the subject was (are you ready) "** LIST
> ISSUES: PLEASE READ **". (How's that for irony?) 

LOL!  If i remember correctly, that post was probably about the
thousands of emails bouncing from ex-listmembers or members with
full accounts. 

Shortly after that, they set up a script at mandrake to kill
bouncing addresses, so the two are linked, though it's funny that
was the last post!

It's a shame mandrake never re-subscribed themselves to the list
after the big burp.

Who do we contact there these days?  Is Vincent still active?  

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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

> ...of course, someone *could* update the Twiki with alternative
> links to the updated archives.
> 
> Oh, jeez, here comes Anne, gotta run! :-D
 

The links look ok:

http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MailingLists

points to

http://www.mail-archive.com/newbie%40linux-mandrake.com/
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbie

http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/

Except that now the mandrake one doesn't load.  They probably never
had more than one person looking there at the same time before. :)

http://www.mail-archive.com/expert%40linux-mandrake.com/  is out of
date, though.

The reason is probably this:  when the big unsubbing in nov 2003
happened, some of the archives got unsubbed, too.  

I remember getting newbie back on the archive lists but, man, i
can't remember exactly what happened with expert.  Do we get
subscription confirmation message that need to be answered to
subscribe? I think that's the case, and if so, it explains why i was
able to get newbie going and not expert.  

I talked to Hank at MARC and he added newbie for us and if it needed
it, expert, too.

I know i did post to expert asking who had the ability to add
subscribers (to get us back on mail-archive.com), and got no
response.

Brings back memories: i was getting swamped with *thousands* of
bounced emails before they set up the kill scripts...

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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 19:08, David B. Carter wrote:
> Thanks, Joe. I appreciate the help.
> 
> To the other not-so-kind poster: perhaps you should read the RTFQ(uestion)
> before spewing acronyms. It clearly said in my post, that I HAVE visited
> those URL's and they don't contain any archives from this year!

This being the newbie list, it is supposed to be friendly to newbies and
helpful, and not a place for somebody to try to look smart by slashing
anyone with a pertinent question.

There are plenty of lists out there that do this already.  Red Hat
mailing lists are famous for their rudeness and complete lack of social
skills online.  I don't know what linux list on the net would rank as
the all time greatest concentration of social imbeciles, but I'm pretty
sure that the Red Hat list scores pretty good.

Linux is already unfairly propagandized as being unfriendly without
having the extra burden of being accused of encompassing a bunch of
a**hole users.  One reason I think Mandrake is successful as it is is
because of it's receptiveness to new users and it's acceptance (and also
education) of them.  Without that, MDK would be just another gray
distro.  We need to keep the newbie list the friendliest list on the
net, so that we can continue to remain a haven for new users.  To that
end we have an unusually large aggregation of socially aware users on
this list; that are also technically capable.

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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 19:15, JoeHill wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:50:35 +0200
> H.J.Bathoorn disseminated the following:
> 
> > > Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they
> > > are *out of date*.
> > 
> > heh heh,trust you to notice!;)
> > It should be in the welcome message:
> > "Don't RTFM when Joe Hill's about or you'll get cussed at" ;D
> 
> I don't mind the odd 'polite' RTFM, but hey, at least don't be such a beast
> about it, and make some effort to at least know of what you speak, eh?

Right on both counts.

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Re: [newbie] pre upgrade questions [9.0 to 10.0]

> [Oh,
> btw, I still didn't get any answer about how to get my bookmarks
> and passwords back in Mozilla, in the other thread...] Is there a
> Linux equivalent of the registry that I should back up? [and would
> it work with 10.0 anyway?]

bookmarks should be in a bookmarks.html file.  Search on windows for
it, not sure where it would be (documents & settins/username/...)

Then find the /home/merlin/.mozilla/...  folder 

mine is 
/home/huff/.mozilla/default/584oqng7.slt/bookmarks.html

You should be able to copy your windows bookmarks into here.

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Re: [newbie] CAE: Amarok 1.1 for 10.1

2004-09-30 Thread Charles A Edwards

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:44:59 -0400
Greg Meyer wrote:

>  I was hoping you were still 
> monitoring the list.

As yet I have no problem with this list.

It was the attitude of 'some' which predicated and forced, due to
philosophical and personal beliefs, my withdrawal from the expert list.

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[newbie] Updating the system after install

2004-09-30 Thread Andrew Konosky

Hello,
I just downloaded the 1st install CD of Mandrake 10.1 community because 
I wanted to try out this distro. I have an old computer that some other 
distros seemed to have some trouble with, but MandrakeMove booted fine 
from CD, so I deciced to try the full OS on it. Since I only installed 
packages from the one CD, the system has very minimal components 
installed. It has defaulted to using IceWM, but I would like to install 
Gnome instead. Also, there are no web browsers installed either! I tried 
installing more software, but the only installation medium I can chose 
is the CD, and when I select Gnome and Mozilla packages, they are not 
installed, yet the program reports the installation/update was a 
success??? I tried updating from the list of ftp servers that it found, 
but I keep getting an error saying that the servers are not conifugred...

Does Mandrake's RPMDrake work similar to Apt-get or similar package 
managers? How do I install new software from online rather than just the 
CD? Is there an Apt repo for mandrake anywhere? Does this require me to 
subscribe to the Mandrake club?

I don't want to pay any money just yet, so thats why I downloaded the 
community ISO version. Then If I like Mandrake, I will contribute & get 
the full version. But I would at least like to try out Mandrake before I 
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Re: [newbie] pre upgrade questions [9.0 to 10.0]

2004-09-30 Thread Erylon Hines

On Thursday 30 September 2004 12:24 am, Merlin Zener wrote:
| Hello all,
|
| I've just got hold of 4 Mandrake 10.0 CDs; I'll be upgrading from 9.0,
| and I wanted to ask if there's anything particular I should [or should
| not] do to ensure a smooth transition.
|
It is a BIG jump from 9.0 to 10--I wouldn't even try an upgrade, myself, due 
to the different kernels.  
Is there a good reason that you want to upgrade??  Unsupported hardware or 
some such?  I don't know much about 9.0, I went from 8.2 to 9.1 (not an 
upgrade--fresh install).  I've since upgraded a couple of machines from 9.1 
to 9.2, but I don't see much difference, except that I had to apply some 
fixes to get stuff that worked perfectly in 9.1 to work in 9.2.  At least the 
upgrade didn't really break anything badly, and was actually smooth--for an 
upgrade.   I still haven't moved any of my machines to 10.x because I have 
older hardware and there just isn't any point to it.  Plus, judging from the 
topics on list, the 2.6 kernel can break stuff that is working fine for me 
now.

If this is your only box, I would wait, if I were you.  On the other hand, you 
can consider it a chance to learn some more about Linux 8).

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Re: [newbie] CAE: Amarok 1.1 for 10.1

2004-09-30 Thread Greg Meyer

On Thursday 30 September 2004 07:14 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:23:58 -0400
>
> Greg Meyer wrote:
> > What are the chances of getting Amarok 1.1 packaged for 10.1?
>
> You can find it and gaim-1.0.0 in the cooker directory on my site.
>
> For amarok you will also need the updates for taglib/libtaglib
>
>
Thank you Charles, you are a gentleman.  I was hoping you were still 
monitoring the list.
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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

2004-09-30 Thread Carroll Grigsby

On Thursday 30 September 2004 06:41 pm, JoeHill wrote:
> On 01 Oct 2004 00:09:13 +0200
>
> frengoGorgia disseminated the following:
> > Hey newbie , what about reading the basics,
> >
> > why you don't RTFM
> >
> >   Read The F**k Manual
> >
> >  http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/
> >  http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/
>
> Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they
> are *out of date*.
>
> http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/2004-09/
>
> Looks like they updated the Expert list, but Newbie is still showing
> nothing for September.

Joe:
I dug a little deeper, and found that the last message indexed at 
archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie was by Eric Huff at 04:29 on November 15, 
2003; the subject was (are you ready) "** LIST ISSUES: PLEASE READ **". 
(How's that for irony?) Although the index page at the archive shows an 
archive for for 2004-09, it is empty. As in nada, zilch, naught, goose egg, 
zero, ain't-nothing-there empty. And it was last updated at 20:22:37 today.

Also, for the edification of frengoGorgia, the correct usage is, "Read the 
F**king Manual." Assuming that he is as anal about his own postings as he is 
about those of others, he should be grateful for this correction. Come to 
think of it, he pretty much leaves a first impression of all around anality 
here. (Uh huh, as in a**hole.)

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Re: [newbie] 10.1 & kde3.3

2004-09-30 Thread Paul Kaplan

Yes, but how were you able to do the install?  Did you avoid installing any 
kde packages and then install kde afterwards, or is there a way to install 
3.3 during the 10.1 setup...I didn't see any kde3.3 packages during the 
package selection phase of the installation.

P
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 06:21 pm, John Layt wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:18, Paul Kaplan wrote:
> > I tried a new intstall of 10.1CE club edition (which includes CD4) and
> > nowhere do I see an option to install kde3.3 instead of 3.2.  The former
> > rpms are on CD4, which is asked for during the install.  I thought I read
> > somewhere that mdks 3.3 works better if installed cleanly at setup rather
> > than over a 3.2 install.  What gives?  How do I get to the 3.3 rpms?
> >
> > TIA
> > Paul
>
> You need to add the KDE3.3 directory as an source for urpmi.  Do that
> through the Control Centre.  And yes, I did get better results doing a
> clean install rather than an upgrade, but results vary depending on what
> 3.2 packages installed.  kdepim and kdewebdev were the biggest problems.
>
> John.

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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:30:54 -0400 (EDT)
David B. Carter disseminated the following:

> You're right. It's forgotten. Thanks to all those who made an effort to
> help. I was indeed able to find what I needed and shouldn't have to
> trouble you any more on that particular issue.
> 
> I did learn one thing from all this. Make sure the subject line says it
> all because some folks may just click "reply" without even reading the
> body of the message!

...of course, someone *could* update the Twiki with alternative links to the
updated archives.

Oh, jeez, here comes Anne, gotta run! :-D

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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

2004-09-30 Thread David B. Carter

You're right. It's forgotten. Thanks to all those who made an effort to
help. I was indeed able to find what I needed and shouldn't have to
trouble you any more on that particular issue.

I did learn one thing from all this. Make sure the subject line says it
all because some folks may just click "reply" without even reading the
body of the message!

H.J.Bathoorn said:
>
> That was just a bad case of "foot in mouth" disease, forget it:)
>



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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:08:16 -0400 (EDT)
David B. Carter disseminated the following:

> To the other not-so-kind poster: perhaps you should read the RTFQ(uestion)

ROFLMAO!

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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

On Friday 01 October 2004 01:08, David B. Carter wrote:
> frengoGorgia didn't bother to visit the archives before spewing the
> following filth which was more worthless than the question on which he was
> commenting:

That was just a bad case of "foot in mouth" disease, forget it:)

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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:50:35 +0200
H.J.Bathoorn disseminated the following:

> > Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they
> > are *out of date*.
> 
> heh heh,trust you to notice!;)
> It should be in the welcome message:
> "Don't RTFM when Joe Hill's about or you'll get cussed at" ;D

I don't mind the odd 'polite' RTFM, but hey, at least don't be such a beast
about it, and make some effort to at least know of what you speak, eh?

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Re: [newbie] CAE: Amarok 1.1 for 10.1

2004-09-30 Thread Charles A Edwards

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:23:58 -0400
Greg Meyer wrote:

> What are the chances of getting Amarok 1.1 packaged for 10.1? 


You can find it and gaim-1.0.0 in the cooker directory on my site.

For amarok you will also need the updates for taglib/libtaglib



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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

2004-09-30 Thread David B. Carter

Thanks, Joe. I appreciate the help.

To the other not-so-kind poster: perhaps you should read the RTFQ(uestion)
before spewing acronyms. It clearly said in my post, that I HAVE visited
those URL's and they don't contain any archives from this year!

---

frengoGorgia didn't bother to visit the archives before spewing the
following filth which was more worthless than the question on which he was
commenting:

>> Hey newbie , what about reading the basics,
>>
>> why you don't RTFM
>>
>>   Read The F**k Manual
>>
>>  http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/
>>  http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/

JoeHill said:

> Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they
> are
> *out of date*.
>
> http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/2004-09/
>
> Looks like they updated the Expert list, but Newbie is still showing
> nothing for September.



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Re: [newbie] pre upgrade questions [9.0 to 10.0]

On Friday 01 October 2004 00:19, Merlin Zener wrote:
> How do I put them back again later?

By simply copying/overwriting them with the wanted older/saved ones.
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Re: how to get my bookmarks and passwords back? [was: Re: [newbie] Mozilla crashing sometimes...]

On Friday 01 October 2004 00:19, Merlin Zener wrote:
> So now I've lost all my bookmarks, passwords and various other settings
> like home page etc, and I don't know how to get them back. Oh and btw it
> didn't fix the crashing either :(
>
> help???
>
> :)
Those bookmarks should still be in .old_mozilla or whatever you renamed 
your .mozilla to.

To be more specific: In my case they're 
in: .mozilla/default/vwdns1ny.slt/bookmarks.html
So I'd have to copy/overwrite .mozilla/default/vwdns1ny.slt/bookmarks.html
with .old_mozilla/default/vwdns1ny.slt/bookmarks.html
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[newbie] what happened to urpmi.addmedia --distrib on 10.1?

The titel says it all!

I tried "urpmi.addmedia --distrib removable//mnt/cdrom/media/main/" on CD1 of 
Mdk10.1 but that's a no go! Tried all sorts of paths but nothing works:(

The CD's are changed in respect to the directory trees but apparently urpmi 
hasn't been told yetor did I miss something?
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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

On Friday 01 October 2004 00:41, JoeHill wrote:
> Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they
> are *out of date*.

heh heh,trust you to notice!;)
It should be in the welcome message:
"Don't RTFM when Joe Hill's about or you'll get cussed at" ;D
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Re: [newbie] pre upgrade questions [9.0 to 10.0]

On Friday 01 October 2004 00:19, Merlin Zener wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 00:21, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> > Two words:
> >
> > CLEAN INSTALL
>
> so that would involve reformatting both drives?

No, just the existing "/" and maybe "/usr" partitions. Leave all the others as 
they are!
>
> If so, then I guess I'm in for a long backup session first... How should
>
> I go about it? Could someone address these concerns for me?:
> > What kind of backup should I do first, just in case anything goes
> > wrong? I'm guessing, simply copy anything that's in /home/merlin, but
> > where else are things kept that I need to back up? What about Mozilla,
> > Pan and Evolution - where do they keep their files? Is there a Linux
> > equivalent of the registry that I should back up? [and would it work
> > with 10.0 anyway?]

They're all in your home directory i.e. "/home" partition.
>
> and something I just thought of:
> How do I get my mail back into Evolution after the
> backup/reformat/reinstall process?

They'll still be there if you haven't formatted your "/home" partition

> Oh, and I just thought of another thing:
> If I have to reformat my Windows drives, should I reinstall windows
> first before installing Mandrake 10.0? And, I seem to recall there's
> something about NTFS that makes it so Linux and Windows can't access the
> same files - so should I take the opportunity and redo Windows in FAT32
> or something?

Whatever you want, but I'd leave everything "as is" and use the FAT32 a a sort 
of transit-space from ext3 to ntfs and back.
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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

On 01 Oct 2004 00:09:13 +0200
frengoGorgia disseminated the following:

> Hey newbie , what about reading the basics, 
> 
> why you don't RTFM
> 
>   Read The F**k Manual 
>  
>  http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/
>  http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/

Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they are
*out of date*.

http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/2004-09/

Looks like they updated the Expert list, but Newbie is still showing nothing for
September.

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Re: [newbie] pre upgrade questions [9.0 to 10.0]

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 19:38, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> [...snip]
> In keeping your /home partition as is all your configuration files will be 
> retained BUT!! especially KDE has evolved since 9.0 and will most certainly 
> crash on you. Rename the (hidden) .kde directory to something else (so you'll 
> be able to recognize it again later) so you'll be able to get most of your 
> old settings back. The're all in there (at least the KDE connected ones) as 
> *.rc files.
> 

How do I put them back again later?

> By renaming .kde in your home directory KDE will create new config files on 
> first start-up after which you can put back the ones important to you, one by 
> one.
> Another option is to start up  for the first time in a windowmanager (say 
> icewm or whatever) you normally don't use and edit the config files from 
> there.
> 
> Either way it's best to NOT opt for the "autologin option" for the first boot 
> as you're not sure it won't crash. This is easily reconfigured at a later 
> stage, if wanted.
> 

noted - thanks :)


> Note!: Different to the 9.0 install, take a good look at the "sumnary" screen 
> and check if ll the configurations are OK..don't take for granted 
> that they are! In that respect it might be wise totake a note of your 
> existing network and XFree settings. Especially if you've got special 
> videocard settings or so, it might wise to make a copy of /etc/X11/XF86Config 
> or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (whichever you're using) to your home directory as a 
> reference.

How do I know which one I'm using - they're both there. I don't now what
kind of video card is in there, but I can't imagine it's anything
special:)

Cheers;)

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Re: [newbie] pre upgrade questions [9.0 to 10.0]

On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 00:21, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> 
> Two words:
> 
> CLEAN INSTALL
> 

so that would involve reformatting both drives?

If so, then I guess I'm in for a long backup session first... How should
I go about it? Could someone address these concerns for me?:
> What kind of backup should I do first, just in case anything goes 
> wrong? I'm guessing, simply copy anything that's in /home/merlin, but
> where else are things kept that I need to back up? What about Mozilla,
> Pan and Evolution - where do they keep their files? Is there a Linux 
> equivalent of the registry that I should back up? [and would it work 
> with 10.0 anyway?]
and something I just thought of:
How do I get my mail back into Evolution after the
backup/reformat/reinstall process?

TIA,

Oh, and I just thought of another thing:
If I have to reformat my Windows drives, should I reinstall windows
first before installing Mandrake 10.0? And, I seem to recall there's
something about NTFS that makes it so Linux and Windows can't access the
same files - so should I take the opportunity and redo Windows in FAT32
or something?

TIA, again :)

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[newbie] RPM Dependencies

2004-09-30 Thread Lexx

Greetings again!
I am attempting to download and install the KnetworkLED app (RPM) but it
doesn't install because I do not have libXinerama.so.1

My questions, what does libXinerama.so.1 do and why wasn't it included in my
original XFree86 bundle?

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how to get my bookmarks and passwords back? [was: Re: [newbie] Mozilla crashing sometimes...]

On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 04:58, Merlin Zener wrote:
> On Sun, 2004-09-26 at 19:34, SnapafunFrank wrote:
> > [...snip]
> > >I don't use Mozilla for mail [I use Evolution] so I'm not worried about
> > >that. But how do I get all my bookmarks and passwords and history back?
> > >
> > [...snip again]
> > Sorry. I'm late to this thread so forgive me if this has already been 
> > covered.
> > 
> > Do you still have your /home//.mozilla directory?
> > 
> > If so then:
> > 
> > $ cd /home/
> > $ ls -al | grep mozilla
> > 
> > Mine is :
> > 
> > drwxrwxrwx4 frank frank 4096 Aug 17 19:58 .mozilla/
> > 
> > If you still have this from before any recent re-install of mozilla then:
> > 
> > $ mv .mozilla XXX.mozilla
> > 
> > This will save all your stuff ready to feed back once you have 
> > re-installed mozilla.
> > 
> 
> well I did all that [copied and pasted it in exactly] but it made no
> change. How, exactly do I "feed back" my old bookmarks, passwords and
> history?
> 
> btw while looking around for some clue I did find my old bookmarks in a
> plain html file in /home/merlin/.old_mozilla - and clicking on those
> links opens up those pages in Konqueror! So at least I can browse most
> places, except for any that require logging in. All my passwords are
> still somewhere in the old Mozilla settings - how do I get them back?
> 

I never saw an answer to this question; I thought it may have been
overlooked as the thread moved more to installing Firefox, [and then
went even further to suggest upgrading the whole system!!!] so I thought
I'd repost it with a more descriptive subject. I hope this is ok:)

I'm looking at upgrading to 10.0 on Sunday, but still this question
applies - either now or after then - I still want to get them back...

To revisit the original thread:
My problem was that Mozilla suddenly started crashing on opening some
pages that I'd been going to for ages with no problems. I had emailed a
couple of them and they had made no changes on their end. Besides, those
pages open ok in Konqueror.
I tried this suggestion:
> 
> rename the entire /.mozilla directory to i.e. /.old_mozilla.  Then log
> out and back in, restart Mozilla. 
> 
So now I've lost all my bookmarks, passwords and various other settings
like home page etc, and I don't know how to get them back. Oh and btw it
didn't fix the crashing either :(

help???
:)


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Re: [newbie] After locking screen password won't resolve.

2004-09-30 Thread Terence Golightly

Ron,

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 12:30, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:
> On September 28, 2004 20:51, Terence Golightly wrote:
> > List,
> >
> > Apologies if this is a repost, I didn't see the original.  Recently I
> > changed my user password and now when I lock the screen my password is
> > refused.
> ...
> 
> Just a thought. I had trouble when I first started with Mdk, until I noticed 
> that once it's been sitting for more than a few minutes, 

I don't notice this.

> when you type the 
> first character of your password, it refreshes the screen and discards that 
> character. Rather annoying, but I've gotten used to it.  Type the first 
> character, wait a few seconds, and see if the "*" disappears in the password 
> field. If so, retype that first character along with the rest of the 
> password.
> 
> Or you may have mistyped your new password when you changed it. Try changing 
> it again. If the passwd command rejects your current password, this will 
> confirm it. Try your previous password also, as possibly the change didn't 
> take effect.

Perhaps I wasn't clear in my original post: I am currently logged in as
user in X via gdm. This problem occurs after I have locked the screen
and press a button or move the mouse/trackball. the password popup
appears but when I enter the password (the same one I used to log in to
my current session with) it is rejected and the screen goes blank again.

> 
> If because of a typo you don't know what your password is now, you can do the 
> following to change it as root:
> 
> su
> passwd 
> 
> This will let you set a new password without knowing the old one.
> 
> Hope this helps.

Sorry if my post wasn't clear.

Thanks,

Terry

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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

2004-09-30 Thread frengoGorgia

Il gio, 2004-09-30 alle 23:41, David B. Carter ha scritto:



> Does anyone know where I could find list archives from earlier this year?
> Wish I could remember the month, but I can't. The subject line was
> probably something like "Newbie needs help with sound on Mandrake 10."
> 


Hey newbie , what about reading the basics, 

why you don't RTFM

  Read The F**k Manual 
  Read The Furnished Manual 
  Read The Final Manual 
etc

I post you a Quote of the "Welcome" mailing list message

  "1) Use straight ASCII (TXT) format. Many people do not like
"HTML","RTF", or any other veird formate you may send.
  
  2) give your e-mails MEANINGFUL subject lines ("HELP!" is a bad
one)  
  
  3) Before asking a question, check the mailing list archive at
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/flists.php3
THIS ^^

on That page you found the URL for archive :
 
 http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/
 http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/



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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

2004-09-30 Thread Kaj Haulrich

On Thursday 30 September 2004 23:41, David B. Carter wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>
> I was a member of the list earlier this year, but left for a
> while. I'm back now, and I have a problem. Back when I was
> subscribed before, I posted a question about getting sound
> configured on my old Dell GX1 machine running Mandrake 10 (I
> think--it may have been 9.2). I got a lot of help, and I ended up
> solving the problem.
>
> My problem is that I didn't keep those emails, and I have since
> had to rebuild that box, and I'm now facing the same problem. I
> tried to go to the archives page on the web, but it doesn't have
> any archive newer than December 2003.
>
> Does anyone know where I could find list archives from earlier
> this year? Wish I could remember the month, but I can't. The
> subject line was probably something like "Newbie needs help with
> sound on Mandrake 10."
>
> Thanks,
> Dave

What about this (all on one line) :
http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?restrict=;exclude=;config=newbie_linux-mandrake_com;method=and;format=short;words=David%20B.
%20Carter;page=2

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Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:41:54 -0400 (EDT)
David B. Carter disseminated the following:

> Does anyone know where I could find list archives from earlier this year?
> Wish I could remember the month, but I can't. The subject line was
> probably something like "Newbie needs help with sound on Mandrake 10."

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbie&r=1&w=2

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-expert&r=1&w=2

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[newbie] Where are the archives?

2004-09-30 Thread David B. Carter

Hi everyone!

I was a member of the list earlier this year, but left for a while. I'm
back now, and I have a problem. Back when I was subscribed before, I
posted a question about getting sound configured on my old Dell GX1
machine running Mandrake 10 (I think--it may have been 9.2). I got a lot
of help, and I ended up solving the problem.

My problem is that I didn't keep those emails, and I have since had to
rebuild that box, and I'm now facing the same problem. I tried to go to
the archives page on the web, but it doesn't have any archive newer than
December 2003.

Does anyone know where I could find list archives from earlier this year?
Wish I could remember the month, but I can't. The subject line was
probably something like "Newbie needs help with sound on Mandrake 10."

Thanks,
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[newbie] SB live platinum 5.1 not working on Mandrake 10.1

2004-09-30 Thread Alejandro R. Estrada

Hello I have just installed Mandrake 10.1 and
everything seems to work perfect but the Sound Card.

The sound card I have is:

Sound Blaster Live Platinum 5.1

I can get regular CD's to play and I could hear the
music just fine.

When I play movies or mp3's I cannot hear anything.
The volume is all the way up on the applications.

I would really appreciate if someone walks me thru the
process of me being able to hear some sound.

Thanks in advance!

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[newbie] SB live platinum 5.1 not working on Mandrake 10.1

2004-09-30 Thread Alejandro R. Estrada


I'm having problems with my sound card:

Sound Blaster Live platinum 5.1

I could play regular music cd's and hear them, but
when it comes to mp3's or movies I can't hear
anything.

I would appreciate if someone could walk me thru the
process of getting this card to give me some sounds!

Thanks in advance!

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[newbie] CAE: Amarok 1.1 for 10.1

2004-09-30 Thread Greg Meyer

What are the chances of getting Amarok 1.1 packaged for 10.1?  Version 10.0.2 
is what was in cooker when the version freeze hit.
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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

2004-09-30 Thread Hoyt Bailey

On Thursday 30 September 2004 12:03, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 03:34, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> > I upgraded my 10.0 laptop: no complaints!
> > My desktop though, is one hell of a mess. Xorg won't play nice with
> > my 2.4 kernel and kyros graphic cardso I stuck in an old
> > geforce 2 but that's messy too (using the generic drivers).
> >
> > I'll do a second clean install on a spare partition for checking
> > (and slackware10 as well, for comparison:))
>
> You're using XOrg on 10.0?
Yes:
/usr/lib/menu/xorg-x11
/usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig
/usr/X11R6/bin/xorgcfg
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/xorg.cf
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/xorg.tmpl
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/xorgsite.def
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/getconfig/xorg.cfg
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xorg.conf.eg
/usr/X11R6/man/man1/xorgconfig.1x.bz2
/usr/X11R6/man/man1/xorgcfg.1x.bz2
/usr/X11R6/man/man5/xorg.conf.5x.bz2
/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg
/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg-it.lst
/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst
/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.xml
/etc/X11/xorg.conf


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Re: [newbie] gDesklets

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:39:52 +1000

> .if GKrellm doesn't do it, then frag it. I don't want it - and I
> don't want to hog precious system resources on something that doesn't do
> what I want in the first five minutes that I've installed it.
> 
> Hence, CRAP and don't bother.
> 
> YOU might have more patience, but I have come to rely on software that
> does what it is supposed to do without requiring a rocket science
> certificate in order to either run it or configure it.
> 
> THAT is one of the major stumbling blocks in the Gnome project (for the
> past three years, mind you)
> 
> Off my soapbox now...handing it over to Lyv or Joe..

I prefer something like gkrellm, or in my case my collection of dockapps,
anyway, since Karamba, GDesklets, all these things just end up hidden behind
whatever window I'm working in any way. Who sits there looking at an empty
desktop, thinking 'wow, that looks cool' (except maybe XP users...).

RSS feeds? Liferea. Weather? Go the fsck outside! Otherwise, a nice discreet
little band off to the side that isn't hidden behind maxed windows is all I
need.

One thing I'm curious about though, Stephen...why bother with gkrellm when
you've got plugins for the XFCE panel for everything except telling you when you
need to take a shite (coming soon, fer sure;-)) ...or are you 'playing the
field' again (WM-wise that is)?

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Re: [newbie] Thats a relief!

2004-09-30 Thread frengoGorgia

Il gio, 2004-09-30 alle 22:18, PM ha scritto:
> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 12:26 -0400, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> > The US Patent office has *rejected* all claims by Microsoft to the FAT 
> > filesystem.
> > 
> >   :-)
> > 
> > http://linuxtoday.com/news/2004093003026NWLL
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [newbie] gDesklets

2004-09-30 Thread dgordon8

 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thereidos
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:53 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] gDesklets
> 
> W liście z czw, 30-09-2004, godz. 16:49, JoeHill pisze: 
> > GDesklets do a piss poor job (as James has pointed out) of 
> achieving the level
> > of 'eye candy' that KDE has with things like SuperKaramba 
> and all that crap.
> 
> But SuperKaramba must always be on top while gDesklets allows other
> windows cover it.

I haven't used either in a while, but I don't remember superkaramba
displaying that kind of behavior.

> 
> Now I see that both of them are useless for me, though. I 
> think I'll go
> for gkrellm again which doesn't look so nice but is more useful and
> works better 'round here (of course except my sensors problem to which
> no-one at lm_sensors list could help me).

Gkrellm is my choice,  I think the problem with sensors is that some of
the more popular mb sensors have not ported to the 2.6 kernel yet.

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[newbie] Problems with Emacs after installing RPM's

2004-09-30 Thread Juanma

Hello to everyone.

I have a problem difficult to state, that is why, if the answer already exists 
out there, i didn't manage to find it. I will try to describe shortly: it 
seems that, after installing RPM packages (in Mandrake 9.2), sometimes 
(randomly), there are undesirable side effects. Examples:

- after installing some packages (i don't remember which ones) i lost the 
icons of the Mandrake menus, and some other modules got lost, so KDE didn't 
work properly (for example, KDE key shortcuts didn't work the way i had 
defined). All these problems disappeared after installing EasyTag with RPM's.

- after installing drivers of ALSA, i got Emacs starting with a delay that was 
way longer than tolerable. Emacs worked fine, at the usual speed, but it took 
several seconds (up to around one minute sometimes) for its window to appear. 
This problem disappeared upon unknown solution (unknown to me, of course)

- finally, today i installed NTP package (contained in 9.2 distro CDs), and 
after that, i found arrow keys redefined in Emacs, so that they deactivate 
the mark, what is really annoying. I think i can solve it, but it beats the 
hell out of me how did it come.

Maybe installing packages have nothing at all to do with those problems, but 
it is the only event that i can put in connection with them.

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Re: [newbie] Thats a relief!

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 12:26, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> The US Patent office has *rejected* all claims by Microsoft to the FAT 
> filesystem.
> 
>   :-)
> 
> http://linuxtoday.com/news/2004093003026NWLL

That means they don't have the power to kill it like they want to.

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

On Thursday 30 September 2004 19:03, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> You're using XOrg on 10.0?
No, upgraded 10.0 to 10.1.
Got it running by removing the old XF86Config-4 and letting XFdrake do the 
work...downer: How do I get my wacom tablet to work using 
Xorg? 
Just copying the lines kills X at start-up:(

Autologin is broken too. Doesn't bother me but the rest of the folks here are 
giving me mean looks:-/

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Re: [newbie] pre upgrade questions [9.0 to 10.0]

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 17:24, Merlin Zener wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I've just got hold of 4 Mandrake 10.0 CDs; I'll be upgrading from 9.0,
> and I wanted to ask if there's anything particular I should [or should
> not] do to ensure a smooth transition.
> 
> I'm currently dual booting with WIN2KPRO, and I don't want to mess up
> that partition, or mess with the LILO setup as it is.
> 
> If I just put the CD in and boot, will it notice what's already there
> and put itself over the top of the old 9.0 install, or will I have to
> make sure it doesn't stomp on anything that it shouldn't?
> 
> What kind of backup should I do first, just in case anything goes wrong?
> I'm guessing, simply copy anything that's in /home/merlin, but where
> else are things kept that I need to back up? What about Mozilla, Pan and
> Evolution - where do they keep their files? [Oh, btw, I still didn't get
> any answer about how to get my bookmarks and passwords back in Mozilla,
> in the other thread...] Is there a Linux equivalent of the registry that
> I should back up? [and would it work with 10.0 anyway?]
> 
> Anything else I should be aware of? Any "gotcha"s? Something maybe that
> you guys have come across and dealt with before me?
> 
> TIA for all advice [as usual:) ]
> 
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Re: [newbie] Thats a relief!

On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 02:53, frankieh wrote:

> I suggest anyone that has a site, or a blog, or talks to people do the same.
> 
> The more people that know about the problems, the better.

(now we need to convince more folks that WA needs to become a state)
(grin)

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Re: [newbie] Thats a relief!

2004-09-30 Thread PM

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 12:26 -0400, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> The US Patent office has *rejected* all claims by Microsoft to the FAT 
> filesystem.
> 
>   :-)
> 
> http://linuxtoday.com/news/2004093003026NWLL

MS began its appeal against its 497 euro fine, demands that it remove
Media Player, and demands that it share details with competitors.

Their lawyer argues that "This is the first time in competitive history
that a company has been ordered to draw up a description of secret
technology and deliver it to its competitors,"

Against them Samba said "The protocols are not secret because they're
valuable; they're valuable because they're secret," & "each time
Microsoft updates its products, it can tweak the protocols so others
cannot use them."

said that each time Microsoft updates its products, it can tweak the
protocols so others cannot use them.

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Re: [newbie] gDesklets

On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 01:53, Thereidos wrote:
> W liście z czw, 30-09-2004, godz. 16:49, JoeHill pisze: 
> > GDesklets do a piss poor job (as James has pointed out) of achieving the level
> > of 'eye candy' that KDE has with things like SuperKaramba and all that crap.
> 
> But SuperKaramba must always be on top while gDesklets allows other
> windows cover it.

Er...SuperKaramba does let you set it to be "background" - ditto with
Karamba - unless yer doing something wrong...

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Re: [newbie] DNS, Iptables, etc

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 12:33, gcobb wrote:
> I can't get port 53 open.  I suppose this is just part of my problem.  I
> upgraded from 8.2 to 10.0.  I can't get out on the web for starters and
> I ran NMAP tonight and 53 isn't open.  Shorewall isn't installed.  I
> have ipchains and iptables, no bind, no named.  
> 
> I noticed when I boot I see some error about iptables and modprobe and
> the kernel, but I don't know exactly what it said.  I can't do iptables
> -status or whatever.  It's version 1.2.9 by the way.  I tried listing my
> tables and this is what shows up from a command line:
> 
> FATAL: Error inserting ip_tables
> (/lib/modules/2.6.3-7mdk/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.ko.gz):
> Device or resource busy
> iptables v1.2.9: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who?
> (do you need to insmod?)
> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
> 
> Do I need to find a newer version of iptables or what?  I never had this
> problem, but then I never upgraded either.  I am thinking this is just
> part of what I have to resolve before I get 53 open, unless someone has
> a better idea, and if you do I'd appreciate it greatly.  This has been
> driving me nuts for a week or more.
> 
> Thanks,
> Greg

Upgraded - so you did an overlay upgrade? I have found that upgrading
isn't the best way to go - if you can do a fresh clean install after
backing up your data, THAT is the best way to go - else (as in the case
of upgrading 9.1 to 10.0) heaps of things just don't work (like sound,
video, certain dev packages, etc)

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Re: [newbie] Off Topic?

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 03:34, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:

> I upgraded my 10.0 laptop: no complaints!
> My desktop though, is one hell of a mess. Xorg won't play nice with my 2.4 
> kernel and kyros graphic cardso I stuck in an old geforce 2 but 
> that's messy too (using the generic drivers).
> 
> I'll do a second clean install on a spare partition for checking (and 
> slackware10 as well, for comparison:))

You're using XOrg on 10.0?

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Re: [newbie] After locking screen password won't resolve.

2004-09-30 Thread Ron Hunter-Duvar

On September 28, 2004 20:51, Terence Golightly wrote:
> List,
>
> Apologies if this is a repost, I didn't see the original.  Recently I
> changed my user password and now when I lock the screen my password is
> refused.
...

Just a thought. I had trouble when I first started with Mdk, until I noticed 
that once it's been sitting for more than a few minutes, when you type the 
first character of your password, it refreshes the screen and discards that 
character. Rather annoying, but I've gotten used to it.  Type the first 
character, wait a few seconds, and see if the "*" disappears in the password 
field. If so, retype that first character along with the rest of the 
password.

Or you may have mistyped your new password when you changed it. Try changing 
it again. If the passwd command rejects your current password, this will 
confirm it. Try your previous password also, as possibly the change didn't 
take effect.

If because of a typo you don't know what your password is now, you can do the 
following to change it as root:

su
passwd 

This will let you set a new password without knowing the old one.

Hope this helps.

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Re: [newbie] Thats a relief!

2004-09-30 Thread frankieh

Ronald J. Hall wrote:
The US Patent office has *rejected* all claims by Microsoft to the FAT 
filesystem.

  :-)
http://linuxtoday.com/news/2004093003026NWLL

Thats fantastic news.
I wrote this: http://htmlfixit.com/index.php?p=186 to help spread the 
word, and I've been blathering on on htmlfixit and to anyone that stands 
still long enough about stupid vague software patents..

I suggest anyone that has a site, or a blog, or talks to people do the same.
The more people that know about the problems, the better.
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Re: [newbie] Thats a relief!

On Thursday 30 September 2004 18:26, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
> The US Patent office has *rejected* all claims by Microsoft to the FAT
> filesystem.
>
>   :-)
>
> http://linuxtoday.com/news/2004093003026NWLL

I'm a downright pessimist in those things:
Probably this a small smoke screen for an upcoming acceptance of a more 
important patent claim by M$

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[newbie] Thats a relief!

2004-09-30 Thread Ronald J. Hall

The US Patent office has *rejected* all claims by Microsoft to the FAT 
filesystem.

  :-)

http://linuxtoday.com/news/2004093003026NWLL

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Re: [newbie] gDesklets

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:53:06 +0200
Thereidos disseminated the following:

> But SuperKaramba must always be on top while gDesklets allows other
> windows cover it.

Are you sure about that? I can't see them making it *that* annoying, even if it
is KDE ;-)

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Re: [newbie] gDesklets

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:34:02 +0200
H.J.Bathoorn disseminated the following:

> As to "the rest of that crap":
> To each his own and IIRC you aren't that much of a KDE-lover yourself, so why 
> the lousy comparison?

Ah, no biggie, people should use what suits them. I would like to see more
choices offered as to DE/WM offered on a Mandrake install, though, I believe a
lot of people would choose to use a wider variety if the options were more
'apparent'. One DE dominating (in this case KDE) is good for no one, *including*
KDE :-)

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Re: [newbie] gDesklets

2004-09-30 Thread Thereidos

W liście z czw, 30-09-2004, godz. 16:49, JoeHill pisze: 
> GDesklets do a piss poor job (as James has pointed out) of achieving the level
> of 'eye candy' that KDE has with things like SuperKaramba and all that crap.

But SuperKaramba must always be on top while gDesklets allows other
windows cover it.

Now I see that both of them are useless for me, though. I think I'll go
for gkrellm again which doesn't look so nice but is more useful and
works better 'round here (of course except my sensors problem to which
no-one at lm_sensors list could help me).
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Re: [newbie] gDesklets

On Thursday 30 September 2004 16:49, JoeHill wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:53:52 -0400
>
> Todd Slater disseminated the following:
> > But note on the lists how many posts there are about upgrading to KDE
> > 3.whogivesashit compared to gnome.
>
> Well, IIRC, KDE is 'just there' when you install MDK, no? So I'm betting
> there are a lot more people using KDE on this list than Gnome. Couple that
> with people wanting their desktops to look more and more like OSX, and KDE
> is kicking butt. GDesklets do a piss poor job (as James has pointed out) of
> achieving the level of 'eye candy' that KDE has with things like
> SuperKaramba and all that crap.

It's historical too:
KDE was the reason why mandrake was created in the first place!
Due to the licensing issues with Trolltech at the time, RedHat wouldn't 
include KDE in the distrib...mdk filled up that hole.

As to "the rest of that crap":
To each his own and IIRC you aren't that much of a KDE-lover yourself, so why 
the lousy comparison?

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[newbie] Evolution 2 "cannot get POP summary"!

2004-09-30 Thread GV

Hi There,

I just upgraded to 10.1 and while running Evolution 2, I get the:

cannot get POP summarry: connection timed out

from one of my POP3 accounts?

Any hints?

Thanks

PS: Does anyone know where Ev2 stores its data? Isn't the "evolution"
dir any more?

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Re: [newbie] gDesklets

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:53:52 -0400
Todd Slater disseminated the following:

> But note on the lists how many posts there are about upgrading to KDE
> 3.whogivesashit compared to gnome.

Well, IIRC, KDE is 'just there' when you install MDK, no? So I'm betting there
are a lot more people using KDE on this list than Gnome. Couple that with people
wanting their desktops to look more and more like OSX, and KDE is kicking butt.
GDesklets do a piss poor job (as James has pointed out) of achieving the level
of 'eye candy' that KDE has with things like SuperKaramba and all that crap.

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Re: [newbie] Calling Firefox from Thunderbird

2004-09-30 Thread Russell Butler

Brandon Rife wrote:
Russell Butler wrote:
Hi all
Hopefully a simple question:
I have just installed Firefox and Thunderbird on my MK10 setup -KDE
desktop and am most impressed.

If there is a web link in an email, clicking on it opens konqueror.
Is there any way to use Firefox as the default agent?
I have set Firefox with the default file association for html, but
konqueror still opens.

Thanks for help
Russell
The following works for me in KDE. In your $HOME/.thunderbird/.default directory look for a file called user.js (if you see a
file called prefs.js you're in the right directory). If you don't find
user.js create it. Add the following line to user.js

user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/usr/bin/firefox");
Note that your path to firefox may be different than mine.
I also had to do something similar to get Thunderbird to handle the
mailto protocol inside of Firefox. In the
$HOME/.mozilla/thunderbird/.default directory I created a
user.js file and added the following line:

user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.mailto",
"/opt/thunderbird/thunderbird");

Good luck!
Brandon
Thanks Brandon.
That works well. I thought there would be a simple way of linking.
I have just finished setting up an extension called "Linky" which gives
a right-click option to call browser, download manager, etc., but the
direct link is much better.

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Re: [newbie] pre upgrade questions [9.0 to 10.0]

On Thursday 30 September 2004 14:08, Merlin Zener wrote:
> /dev/hda1 ntfs 7.8GB /mnt/nt 889.3MB 88.9%
> /dev/hda5 vfat 22.6GB /mnt/windows 3.2GB 86%
> /dev/hda6 ext3 980.5MB / 798.8MB 18.5%
> /dev/hda8 ext3 3.8GB /usr 2.3GB 40.2%
> /dev/hda9 ext3 2.7GB /home 730.1MB 73.8%
> /dev/hdc1 auto 74.5GB /mnt/hd 17.6GB 76.4%
> /dev/sda1 auto N/A /mnt/removable 0B N/A
>
> Is this the info you wanted?

Yep, that's it:)

If there's still some unused space on your disk you could use that for a 
parallel install, but prolly there isn't.

Doing a new install will require a reformatting of / and /usr 
respectively /dev/hda6 and /usr, all the others can be left as they are.
During the install diskdrake will find them and offer to do this for 
youmaybe you'll have to add the /usr partition yourself but that's a 
fairly easy task.

Your windows partition (if this is C:\) is vfat, so no probs there:)
It'll still boot fine after the install. 

In keeping your /home partition as is all your configuration files will be 
retained BUT!! especially KDE has evolved since 9.0 and will most certainly 
crash on you. Rename the (hidden) .kde directory to something else (so you'll 
be able to recognize it again later) so you'll be able to get most of your 
old settings back. The're all in there (at least the KDE connected ones) as 
*.rc files.

By renaming .kde in your home directory KDE will create new config files on 
first start-up after which you can put back the ones important to you, one by 
one.
Another option is to start up  for the first time in a windowmanager (say 
icewm or whatever) you normally don't use and edit the config files from 
there.

Either way it's best to NOT opt for the "autologin option" for the first boot 
as you're not sure it won't crash. This is easily reconfigured at a later 
stage, if wanted.

Note!: Different to the 9.0 install, take a good look at the "sumnary" screen 
and check if ll the configurations are OK..don't take for granted 
that they are! In that respect it might be wise totake a note of your 
existing network and XFree settings. Especially if you've got special 
videocard settings or so, it might wise to make a copy of /etc/X11/XF86Config 
or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (whichever you're using) to your home directory as a 
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Re: [newbie] Calling Firefox from Thunderbird

2004-09-30 Thread Brandon Rife

Russell Butler wrote:
Hi all
Hopefully a simple question:
I have just installed Firefox and Thunderbird on my MK10 setup -KDE 
desktop and am most impressed.

If there is a web link in an email, clicking on it opens konqueror.  
Is there any way to use Firefox as the default agent?
I have set Firefox with the default  file association for html, but 
konqueror still opens.

Thanks for help
Russell
The following works for me in KDE. In your $HOME/.thunderbird/.default directory look for a file called user.js (if you see a 
file called prefs.js you're in the right directory).  If you don't find 
user.js create it.  Add the following line to user.js

user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/usr/bin/firefox");
Note that your path to firefox may be different than mine. 

I also had to do something similar to get Thunderbird to handle the 
mailto protocol inside of Firefox.  In the 
$HOME/.mozilla/thunderbird/.default directory I created a 
user.js file and added the following line:

user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.mailto", 
"/opt/thunderbird/thunderbird");

Good luck!
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Re: [newbie] pre upgrade questions [9.0 to 10.0]

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 17:41, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Thursday 30 September 2004 09:24, Merlin Zener wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I've just got hold of 4 Mandrake 10.0 CDs; I'll be upgrading from 9.0,
> > and I wanted to ask if there's anything particular I should [or should
> > not] do to ensure a smooth transition.
> >
> [...snip]
> There's a lot of ways of doing this the right way and a lot of opinions too:)
> 
> Upgrading 9.0 -> 10.0 will probably give a lot of trouble as they use very 
> different kernels. I wouldn't advise it anyway, a clean install is the best 
> way...that is, if you've got your /home on a separate partition.
> 
> Doing a clean install whilst retaining your /home partition will have you lose 
> previously installed 3rd party software which is usually installed in /usr.
> 
> The way I prefer working is to set-up an new install on a new partition on its 
> own without any creating any users and mounting the old /home partitions in a 
> later stage..which has some pitfalls too, as always:)
> 
> Installing 10.0 left me with an XP that wouldn't boot normally (it will in 
> safemode though and after that it's OK). It happens everytime after using 
> diskdrake. No big deal for me - I only boot XP if I have to help out some 
> poor stuck XP sod- but others might get a bit ruffled:)
> 

this is just the kind of thing that scares me - I need the win stuff for
my music programs.


> Lilo has to be changed and will be, otherwise 10.0 can't be booted!
> 
> To be really helpful we'd need to know what your partition setup is, so let's 
> start with that,heh? Otherwise we'd be rewriting the installation manual all 
> over.


well I'm not sure how to find out, so I copied this from the KDiskFree
display:

/dev/hda1 ntfs 7.8GB /mnt/nt 889.3MB 88.9%
/dev/hda5 vfat 22.6GB /mnt/windows 3.2GB 86%
/dev/hda6 ext3 980.5MB / 798.8MB 18.5%
/dev/hda8 ext3 3.8GB /usr 2.3GB 40.2%
/dev/hda9 ext3 2.7GB /home 730.1MB 73.8%
/dev/hdc1 auto 74.5GB /mnt/hd 17.6GB 76.4%
/dev/sda1 auto N/A /mnt/removable 0B N/A

Is this the info you wanted?

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Re: [newbie] pre upgrade questions [9.0 to 10.0]

On Thursday 30 September 2004 09:24, Merlin Zener wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've just got hold of 4 Mandrake 10.0 CDs; I'll be upgrading from 9.0,
> and I wanted to ask if there's anything particular I should [or should
> not] do to ensure a smooth transition.
>
> I'm currently dual booting with WIN2KPRO, and I don't want to mess up
> that partition, or mess with the LILO setup as it is.
>
> If I just put the CD in and boot, will it notice what's already there
> and put itself over the top of the old 9.0 install, or will I have to
> make sure it doesn't stomp on anything that it shouldn't?
>
> What kind of backup should I do first, just in case anything goes wrong?
> I'm guessing, simply copy anything that's in /home/merlin, but where
> else are things kept that I need to back up? What about Mozilla, Pan and
> Evolution - where do they keep their files? [Oh, btw, I still didn't get
> any answer about how to get my bookmarks and passwords back in Mozilla,
> in the other thread...] Is there a Linux equivalent of the registry that
> I should back up? [and would it work with 10.0 anyway?]
>
> Anything else I should be aware of? Any "gotcha"s? Something maybe that
> you guys have come across and dealt with before me?
>
> TIA for all advice [as usual:) ]
>
> --
> Merlin Zener
> Piano, Synthesizer
> Thailand.
>
> "...if my calculations are correct..."

There's a lot of ways of doing this the right way and a lot of opinions too:)

Upgrading 9.0 -> 10.0 will probably give a lot of trouble as they use very 
different kernels. I wouldn't advise it anyway, a clean install is the best 
way...that is, if you've got your /home on a separate partition.

Doing a clean install whilst retaining your /home partition will have you lose 
previously installed 3rd party software which is usually installed in /usr.

The way I prefer working is to set-up an new install on a new partition on its 
own without any creating any users and mounting the old /home partitions in a 
later stage..which has some pitfalls too, as always:)

Installing 10.0 left me with an XP that wouldn't boot normally (it will in 
safemode though and after that it's OK). It happens everytime after using 
diskdrake. No big deal for me - I only boot XP if I have to help out some 
poor stuck XP sod- but others might get a bit ruffled:)

Lilo has to be changed and will be, otherwise 10.0 can't be booted!

To be really helpful we'd need to know what your partition setup is, so let's 
start with that,heh? Otherwise we'd be rewriting the installation manual all 
over.
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[newbie] old_mmap & libfontconfig.so.1

2004-09-30 Thread SnapafunFrank

Running Mandrake10 - mostly updated, Using KDE3.2.3 and some third party 
apps. [ Editpadlite etc.]

I am trying to understand why it takes nearly a whole minute to open any 
of my apps, both kde and third party - such as OOo, and one of the 
things I've come across [ thanks Shawn ] is strace.

Two things get to be "called" heaps of times: the first is the 'read' 
calls and there I see close to a 1000 calls for :

0.000588 old_mmap(0x407ea000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, 
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 3, 0x1a000) = 0x407ea000

Anyone know what this is The online search produces heaps of 
text files listing exactly what I see in my 'strace' - but otherwise 
nothing very helpful to date.

The other is for the 'open' call, eg:
0.000680 open("/usr/X11R6/lib/tls/libfontconfig.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 
-1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)

and this seems to go through a lot of files 'looking' and again, for 
heaps of times. Shawn has been helping me get to this info but I thought 
I'd put it here directly in case someone has found the 'direct' 
resolution for this?? [ Shawn is great but I hate to burden any 
individual with my rampant ignorance.] And you never know, there may be 
a known alternative out there we both could use.

Anyone care to help out?
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Re: [newbie] OpenGroupware

2004-09-30 Thread et

On Wednesday 29 September 2004 04:37, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> ..you must be as stoned as you think I am...
was then... 
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Re: [newbie] Adventures in 10.1

2004-09-30 Thread John Layt

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:51, John Wilson wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> There's an amazing lack of screaming about 10.1 CE which is very promising
> indeed.

Remarkably few probs here...

> One immediately seen disappointment, though not a big one, is that as near
> as I can tell CD 5, which someone said would have KDE 3.3 on it, doesn't. 
> The KDE as installed is a mixture of KDE 3.2 and 3.3 and seems to work just
> fine.

They're actually on CD4.  Depending on what 3.2 packages you have installed, 
it could be a smooth or a messy install, but the extra bits are worth it :-)

> Most packages don't seem to all have the 10.1 identifier on them.  A lot
> still show 10.0 and a lot don't have it at all.  Not a problem just an
> observation. Might make things interesting when OE comes out but I'll deal
> with that then.

They get the 101 label on the final Official release.

> Mandrake Update comes up with a list of alleged update mirrors, none of
> which either exist or work.  Not sure what is up because Mandrake Update
> says they exist and the Club says they don't.  So I tossed in a 10.0 OE
> update site in the hopes that that will catch something.  I'm starting to
> get used to Mandrake Update being borked but this is getting a bit
> tiresome, you know?

Updates don't become available either until the Official release.  In the 
meantime, any updates are posted directly to the main Community mirror, i.e. 
Mandrakelinux/devel/10.1/i586/media/main and contrib.  Or to be more 
cutting-edge, go directly to cooker :-)

> Now comes the fun part and trying it all out.  Except, once again, for the
> update mirrors problem, it's an excellent job and everone involved needs to
> be congratulated.
>
> Now if Warly can just leave the mirror structure in peace for a while. :-)
>
> ttfn
>
> John

The other John.

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[newbie] Calling Firefox from Thunderbird

2004-09-30 Thread Russell Butler

Hi all
Hopefully a simple question:
I have just installed Firefox and Thunderbird on my MK10 setup -KDE 
desktop and am most impressed.

If there is a web link in an email, clicking on it opens konqueror.  Is 
there any way to use Firefox as the default agent?
I have set Firefox with the default  file association for html, but 
konqueror still opens.

Thanks for help
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[newbie] MDK 10.1 and ipw2100 problems

2004-09-30 Thread Ashwin Kumar

Hi

I have thinkpad R40 running MDK 10.1. The centrino card on my laptop
gets detected as a ipw2100 module, but i cannot seem to configure it.
I tried using drakroam, but it only shows eth0 and no wireless cards.
ifconfig too shows only eth0 and lo. I tried putting in alias eth1
ipw2100 into modprobe.conf, even that doesnt work. When I try to setup
the wireless connection using drakconnect, it asks me to manually load
the driver. When I do try to load it, it flashes a few pop-ups (too
fast to read what is written) and goes back to the manually load
driver screen.

Can anyone help me out on what is wrong? 

thanks
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Re: [newbie] OpenGroupware

2004-09-30 Thread Lanman

Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 08:58, Lanman wrote:

I really hate it when you do that! Just when I thought I had found a
challenging intellectual adversary, you go and agree with me on
something! Damn! Where's Albert Einstein when ya need him? *Snicker*!

I like to keep my opponents off-guard and not get too predictable. ;-}

I suppose that now, you're gonna tell me that I can't bill you for the
new keyboard, aren't ya? Grin! Good thing it's a tax write-off for me.
What I'm not "getting" from OGO, is the reasons why they felt it
necessary to use a module (mod_ngobjweb.so) to handle the pages when
most others use a web-page built using PHP. It just seems that they over
complicated the construction of the suite. I suppose they had their
reasons, but I'm not getting that quite yet. IMNSHO, it wasn't done in
order to make the suite easier in most senses of the word, but perhaps
it had something to do with an easier building of the suite.

Well, we again seem to have come to some of the same  conclusions.  I did note 
that the packaging and even the product appears to be extremely modular as if 
by design.  My own take on that was that they had VERY big plans for the 
product, sort of an everything but the kitchen sink kind of deal and were 
building that modular architecture in, related to those plans.  Given the 
existing scope, I don't see the need currently but then again, there are a 
lot of other smaller more compact packages already that would be just as 
useable so they are perhaps planning to move in another direction and are 
planning ahead.  It is much harder to make an existing product more modular 
than it is to build that capacity in from the beginning design.

On a personal level, I don't like products that are too broad in scope, even 
if the supposition is that you want everything integrated.  If you try to do 
too many things, usually you do none of them really well.  Several reasons 
for my dislike, first, overly complex packages are harder from a QA 
perspective and thus prone to more problems.  Second, trying to customize 
such a package is also more difficult and I don't know of very many 
businesses that are happy with an out of the box, vanilla product.  Third, 
upgrades, patches, fixes are more complex and have to be tested broader and 
deeper because of the many layers of complexity and integration points.

The modular architecture can help with this somewhat but tends to also mean 
that you need to build up complex skill sets in house to provide support and 
customization since you usually won't get that from the company (more true 
for commercial than OS but tends to match for all of them).  And, the more 
modular nature also tends to detract from overall knowledge of the big 
picture of the package so that it is harder to tell where everything 
intersects and what changes in one module will affect other modules.


Since OGO seems to be based on components from other groupware suites,
it seems that they must have taken a turn somewhere that led them down a
new path of construction, and this might be a factor. Most other ones
I've looked at didn't give me SOPE hassles, and it wasn't necessary to
build a module in order to get it working.

If their focus is on integration of disparate components, especially from an 
enterprise level, this would explain a lot.  I note that packages like SAP 
are extremely complex and in most cases, require virtual armies dedicated to 
their installation and configuration due to the many modules that can be 
attached to them.  If their package is focused at the same functional design, 
but from a communications end, it would explain why the package is so complex 
and at least some of the apparent design decisions.  Something along the 
lines of tying in a CRM system to enterprise email, and even perhaps hooking 
that up to some type of ERP type system.  Once you start talking about all of 
these very different types of system being integrated, you would need a 
pretty complex package with either a lot of integration points or a very 
modular type of design.
Well, there goes the neighbourhood! Hey Ma! Best get out the rock salt! 
Seems we is gonna need to make us up a big batch o' shells! Them 
civilized types is a movin' in next door! These ones are a slippery 
bunch o' fancy-pants big city types, so watch yerself!

Lanman
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Re: [newbie] OT - Mac OSX anyone?

On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 22:35, Todd Slater wrote:
> Anyone on the list use a Mac with OSX? I'm about to get one at
> work and was wondering how easy it is to use the FreeBSD under
> the hood--such as for installing apps I'm accustomed to like
> vcdimager, instiki, and others.
> 
> Todd

Laura just got an emac with OSX, so i am learning my way through it.

Anyway, I won't be much help as far as installing linux-ish apps,
but it sure is nice to be able pop open a terminal and ssh, run
emacs, etc like i am used to.  It realy is (to me) a breath of fresh
air compared to helping people with windows or the earlier mac os's.

There are the occasional huge annoyances like not being able to see
the entire path in the file manager, and Safari is very
uncomfortable to me (i installed firefox 1.0PR, which runs with a
couple bugs).

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Re: [newbie] 10.1 & kde3.3

2004-09-30 Thread John Layt

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:18, Paul Kaplan wrote:
> I tried a new intstall of 10.1CE club edition (which includes CD4) and
> nowhere do I see an option to install kde3.3 instead of 3.2.  The former
> rpms are on CD4, which is asked for during the install.  I thought I read
> somewhere that mdks 3.3 works better if installed cleanly at setup rather
> than over a 3.2 install.  What gives?  How do I get to the 3.3 rpms?
>
> TIA
> Paul

You need to add the KDE3.3 directory as an source for urpmi.  Do that through 
the Control Centre.  And yes, I did get better results doing a clean install 
rather than an upgrade, but results vary depending on what 3.2 packages 
installed.  kdepim and kdewebdev were the biggest problems.

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[newbie] pre upgrade questions [9.0 to 10.0]

Hello all,

I've just got hold of 4 Mandrake 10.0 CDs; I'll be upgrading from 9.0,
and I wanted to ask if there's anything particular I should [or should
not] do to ensure a smooth transition.

I'm currently dual booting with WIN2KPRO, and I don't want to mess up
that partition, or mess with the LILO setup as it is.

If I just put the CD in and boot, will it notice what's already there
and put itself over the top of the old 9.0 install, or will I have to
make sure it doesn't stomp on anything that it shouldn't?

What kind of backup should I do first, just in case anything goes wrong?
I'm guessing, simply copy anything that's in /home/merlin, but where
else are things kept that I need to back up? What about Mozilla, Pan and
Evolution - where do they keep their files? [Oh, btw, I still didn't get
any answer about how to get my bookmarks and passwords back in Mozilla,
in the other thread...] Is there a Linux equivalent of the registry that
I should back up? [and would it work with 10.0 anyway?]

Anything else I should be aware of? Any "gotcha"s? Something maybe that
you guys have come across and dealt with before me?

TIA for all advice [as usual:) ]

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Re: [newbie] Welcome to Newbie

> Hi Eric, I cannot access e-mail with ML 10.0. I am on the internet
> but no e-mail. This was sent by Linspire 4.5 on Portable computer.
> 
> Richard H. Peddie.

Not sure what the problem would be.

Best bet is to start a new thread and ask the list.

You'll want to explain what mailer you are trying to use, which
desktop, etc.

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[newbie] DNS, Iptables, etc

2004-09-30 Thread gcobb

I can't get port 53 open.  I suppose this is just part of my problem.  I
upgraded from 8.2 to 10.0.  I can't get out on the web for starters and
I ran NMAP tonight and 53 isn't open.  Shorewall isn't installed.  I
have ipchains and iptables, no bind, no named.  

I noticed when I boot I see some error about iptables and modprobe and
the kernel, but I don't know exactly what it said.  I can't do iptables
-status or whatever.  It's version 1.2.9 by the way.  I tried listing my
tables and this is what shows up from a command line:

FATAL: Error inserting ip_tables
(/lib/modules/2.6.3-7mdk/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.ko.gz):
Device or resource busy
iptables v1.2.9: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who?
(do you need to insmod?)
Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.

Do I need to find a newer version of iptables or what?  I never had this
problem, but then I never upgraded either.  I am thinking this is just
part of what I have to resolve before I get 53 open, unless someone has
a better idea, and if you do I'd appreciate it greatly.  This has been
driving me nuts for a week or more.

Thanks,
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