Re: [newbie] A question to the talented

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Wednesday 06 October 2004 07:25, Alan wrote:
> Good day
>
> I want to know if linux has a "RIS" (remote installation feature) similar
> to M$'s RIS service ?
>
> Thanks

For us non_M$ peoples; Would you mind divulging what this RIS acrually does?

There are various ways of remotely installing Linux in degrees of remoteness. 
The most remote way would at least require a box that be booted over the 
net/LAN.
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[newbie] A question to the talented

[Alan]

Good day
I want to know if linux has a "RIS" (remote installation feature) similar  
to M$'s RIS service ?

Thanks
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[newbie] Re: OpenGroupware

[Mark Stosberg]

On 2004-09-18, Lanman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format...
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> Has anyone had any luck getting OpenGroupware to work?

You'll probably get better support for OpenGroupware if you ask for help
on an OpenGroupware list:

http://www.opengroupware.org/en/users/lists/index.html

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[newbie] Re: Looking for frontend for mplayer

[Mark Stosberg]

On 2004-10-05, H.J.Bathoorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 05 October 2004 22:53, Paul Smith wrote:
>> Dear All
>>
>> I am looking for a nice frontend for mplayer. Any ideas?

You may be interested in kmplayer:

http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/search.php?query=kmplayer&submit=Search+...

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Re: [newbie] Gmail Test Only

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 07:59 pm, Sean Pritchard wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:12:16 -0400, Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 05 October 2004 05:42 pm, Sean Pritchard wrote:
> > > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:42:00 -0400
> > >  From: Sean Pritchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >  Reply-To: Sean Pritchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >  To: Newbie List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Nope.
> > --
> > /g
>
> Thanx Greg,,
>
> I can't see their reasoning on not allowing blank reply-to's, for mail
> lists like sympa too work properly. I suppose I can use Gmail for one
> of the sympa accounts exclusively by setting the "reply-to" to the
> perticular addy.
>
> If you'd like a Gmail Account I have 3 invations left.
>
> Regards,
> /Sean

In view of all of the static that goes on here about reply-to settings over 
the course of a year, and in recognition that gmail is becoming an 800 pound 
gorilla, what would it take to instruct Sympa to add the list address to 
whatever other string that it finds in the reply-to field? I'm certainly not 
a programmer, but even I could code that with a one-liner in MicroSoft 8K 
Basic on my Exidy Sorcerer back in 1978.

Or were "they" lying to me when "they" said that computers would improve my 
life by handling all of the little niggles so that I could concentrate on The 
Really Important Things?
 
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Re: [newbie] Help with Python Problem (MDK 10.0)

[JoeHill]

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 05:44:21 -0400 (EDT)
David B. Carter disseminated the following:

> segmentation fault

Yep, me too. I'm still running 1.3 (which has a few very minor bugs), because
2.0 requires Imlib2 v1.1.1, and it looks like MDK 10.0 is still on 1.0.6-4.1.

I'm gonna try and track down the source for the latest Imlib2 and see what I can
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Re: [newbie] Gmail Test Only

[Sean Pritchard]

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:12:16 -0400, Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 October 2004 05:42 pm, Sean Pritchard wrote:
> > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:42:00 -0400
> >  From: Sean Pritchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  Reply-To: Sean Pritchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  To: Newbie List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Nope.
> --
> /g

Thanx Greg,,

I can't see their reasoning on not allowing blank reply-to's, for mail
lists like sympa too work properly. I suppose I can use Gmail for one
of the sympa accounts exclusively by setting the "reply-to" to the
perticular addy.

If you'd like a Gmail Account I have 3 invations left.

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Re: [newbie] Gmail Test Only

[Greg Meyer]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 05:42 pm, Sean Pritchard wrote:
> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:42:00 -0400
>  From: Sean Pritchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Reply-To: Sean Pritchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: Newbie List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Hoyt Bailey]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 09:42, Thereidos wrote:
> W liÅcie z wto, 05-10-2004, godz. 02:35, Hoyt Bailey pisze:
> > I think you  are wrong.  As nonroot I click on the KDE logout
> > button select turn computer off and everything goes off except for
> > the monitor. Which I have to turn off. Gnome has a logout icon also
> > which works simular.  Shutdown does the same but you have to be
> > root to use that.
>
> You're right. That was the reason why I thought about switching back
> to init 5. But it looks like this options executes poweroff/reboot
> while shutdown do require root privileges.
>
> Normally - if you have set to boot to runlevel 3 - when you manually
> start kde/gnome/any other DE logging out does not give you an option
> to shutdown/reboot but it only... logs you out :)
Couldn't you set things so your father logs in to run level 5 while you 
can log into run level 3  I have no idea how to do that however.
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[newbie] Gmail Test Only

[Sean Pritchard]

Hi Newbians

just trying Gmail on the sympa server.

they've made a lot of changes, I was hoping the "reply-to" fields are
working now.

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Re: [newbie] Looking for frontend for mplayer

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 22:53, Paul Smith wrote:
> Dear All
>
> I am looking for a nice frontend for mplayer. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Paul
mplayer-gui-1.0-0.pre5.7pl
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Re: [newbie] Reiser 4 and checking parittion type

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 22:46, Thereidos wrote:
> Tried that. It ain't what I've been lookin' for. It gives me only Linux
> and doesn't say whether it's ext2 or ext3.

There is no real difference 'tween ext2 and ext3 except that ext3 has 
journaling added. Use "diskdrake" if you really want to find out.
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[newbie] Looking for frontend for mplayer

[Paul Smith]

Dear All

I am looking for a nice frontend for mplayer. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [newbie] Reiser 4 and checking parittion type

[Thereidos]

W liście z wto, 05-10-2004, godz. 21:45, Stephen Kühn pisze: 
> > 1: Is there a way to mount reiser4 partition under mdk10.0 running
> > 2.6.3-7mdk kernel?
> 
> Dunno - I reckon ya should be able to...

I ain't sure. Reiser 4 is so new that it's still in testing. Right?

> > 2. How can I check what exactly partition type are on the HD before
> > writing anything to fstab? I'd like to know if the partition is ext2,
> > ext3 etc.
> 
> (as root)
> 
> fdisk -l /dev/hdX

Tried that. It ain't what I've been lookin' for. It gives me only Linux
and doesn't say whether it's ext2 or ext3.
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Re: [newbie] Reiser 4 and checking parittion type

[Stephen Kühn]

On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 00:29, Thereidos wrote:
> Hi 'all.
> 
> Two questions:
> 
> 1: Is there a way to mount reiser4 partition under mdk10.0 running
> 2.6.3-7mdk kernel?

Dunno - I reckon ya should be able to...

> 2. How can I check what exactly partition type are on the HD before
> writing anything to fstab? I'd like to know if the partition is ext2,
> ext3 etc.

(as root)

fdisk -l /dev/hdX

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 16:46, Edgars Smits wrote:


> It's splash=silent and still doesn't solve my problem. With that
> set I get a text mode LILO start, but then as soon as the init
> starts it goes to a light blue screen with a bar area in the
> middle that never actually fills in as it boots, the words
> Community 10.1 with a graphic line, that's it, it doesn't even
> say hit ESC for details like it used to, however ESC does work.


Well, my system boots just the way you want, I think.
My /etc/lilo.conf looks like this :

# File generated by DrakX/drakboot
# WARNING: do not forget to run lilo after modifying this file

default="linux"
boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
keytable=/boot/dk-latin1.klt
prompt
nowarn
timeout=40
message=/boot/message
menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw
image=/boot/vmlinuz
label="linux"
root=/dev/hda5
initrd=/boot/initrd.img
append="devfs=nomount resume=/dev/hda6 "
vga=792
read-only

And so on and so forth..

I don't have the "splash=silent" statement either. And, honestly, I 
don't know what "resume" does ? - Havent' seen it in other 
versions.

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Edgars Smits]

perfect, getting rid of vga=788 did the trick for me.
Many thanks
ED
Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 10:46, Edgars Smits wrote:
It's splash=silent and still doesn't solve my problem. With that set I
get a text mode LILO start, but then as soon as the init starts it goes
to a light blue screen with a bar area in the middle that never actually
fills in as it boots, the words Community 10.1 with a graphic line,
that's it, it doesn't even say hit ESC for details like it used to,
however ESC does work.

Are you sure that you don't have a vga=788 setting under the append line in 
lilo.conf?  splash=silent is not the one, that has no effect on boot up vga 
mode but the vga=788 line does and if that is there, you will get that menu 
screen.  If there is no vga= line, you should see a pure text bootup.


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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Bryan Phinney]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 10:46, Edgars Smits wrote:
> It's splash=silent and still doesn't solve my problem. With that set I
> get a text mode LILO start, but then as soon as the init starts it goes
> to a light blue screen with a bar area in the middle that never actually
> fills in as it boots, the words Community 10.1 with a graphic line,
> that's it, it doesn't even say hit ESC for details like it used to,
> however ESC does work.

Are you sure that you don't have a vga=788 setting under the append line in 
lilo.conf?  splash=silent is not the one, that has no effect on boot up vga 
mode but the vga=788 line does and if that is there, you will get that menu 
screen.  If there is no vga= line, you should see a pure text bootup.
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Re: [newbie] Help with Python Problem (MDK 10.0)

[David B. Carter]

Must be a problem with PyPanel 2.0 because I removed it and installed 1.3
and it works! One thing that is different between the two is that 2.0
requires imlib2 1.1.1 or later (according to the docs). When I do a

rpm -qa | grep imlib2

I get

libimlib2_1-filters-1.0.6-4.1.100mdk
libimlib2_1-loaders-1.0.6-4.1.100mdk
libimlib2_1-devel-1.0.6-4.1.100mdk
libimlib2_1-1.0.6-4.1.100mdk

which looks to me like it's saying I have version 1.0.6. I don't know if
that's right or if that's even the problem, but it's the only thing that
jumped out at me.

Anyway, although I'd like to be running 2.0, I can't find an RPM anywhere
of a more recent version of imlib2, and I don't feel like compiling it
from source, so I'll stick with 1.3 for now.

Thanks for your help, everyone.

David B. Carter said:
> Thanks for giving it a shot. At least I know I'm not the only one that it
> doesn't work for. Anyone else have any helpful insight?
>
> Stephen Kühn said:
>> MEANWHILE...
>>
>> [23:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ pypanel
>> /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Xlib/display.py:30: DeprecationWarning:
>> Non-ASCII character '\xf6' in file
>> /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Xlib/protocol/display.py on line 749,
>> but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html
>> for details
>>   import protocol.display
>> Segmentation fault
>>
>> after getting curious about this issue, I tried to get it all going
>> myself - with the same "seg fault" results - methinks something is
>> amiss, y'all reckon? Can't seem to find anything else out about it and I
>> CERTAINLY AIN'T going to break python on this installation as that's
>> what caused me to migrate from a nice stable 9.1 installation to 10.0
>> OE...(but I gave it a shot)
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Re: [newbie] Partitioning new HD

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 11:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Citát Lyvim Xaphir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 04:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > Disk /dev/sda: 36.7 GB, 36703918080 bytes
> > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4462 cylinders
> > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> > 
> >Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
> > /dev/sda1   * 1  4462  35840983+  85  Linux extended
> > /dev/sda5 1 6 48132   83  Linux
> > /dev/sda6 793698796   83  Linux
> > /dev/sda794   160538146   82  Linux swap
> > /dev/sda8   161   307   1180746   83  Linux
> > /dev/sda9   308   902   4779306   83  Linux
> > /dev/sda10  903  4462  28595668+  83  Linux
> > 
> > sda5 = boot
> > sda6 = root
> > sda7 = swap
> > sda8 = tmp
> > sda9 = usr
> > sda10 = var
> > 
> 
> Looks good. I think I can live with /tmp and /var on one partition. Is it wrong
> to merge the /boot, /root and /var partitions into one? It looks too fragmented
> to me ... but it can be because i am just not used to it.

Boot and root are negligible if you look at the sizes, so there's no
need not to let them remain seperate.  Read back over my paragraphs on
filesystem lifetimes and filesystem risk.  A laptop is worse off because
it's in more stringent environments than a desktop.  If it was me, the
way I have it above would be just the way I would do it.

> > You may be asking, why this order of partitions and why these sizes. 
> > The sizes are from actual installs (many installs) and are sized to fit
> > MDK 9.2- 10, with space to spare.  You should not have to resize the
> > partitions for a long time.  The reason for the partition order is
> > because drive access is faster the closer to the spindle (cylinder 0)
> > that you get.  Therefore, after boot and root, swap is the first
> > partition in line, getting the prime real estate.  /tmp has files with
> > the shortest lifetimes, therefore it benefits overall OS speed for it to
> > be close to the spindle also; but it's priority is after swap.  /usr is
> > next so that binaries can be loaded fast. /var is last so that it can
> > get the rest of the drive.
> > 
> 
> This is interesting. I will try to take this into account.
> 
> > Everything except /var can pretty much remain the same as far as size;
> > as long as you put /home in /var/home with a symlink to /home.
> >
> 
> I'll do that.
> 
> >  
> 
> 
> > > - What FS would you recommend? Is it possible to have / as ext2/3 and
> > /mnt/disk
> > > as reiserfs?
> > 
> > On a laptop, use JFS because it uses less cpu cycles than XFS or
> > Reiserfs (which is a cpu hog) but has capabilities on a par with XFS
> > (including speed).
> 
> How is it with performance of those filesystems? And what other advantages has
> JFS compared to the Reiser FS except smaller cpu usage?

It's faster overall, quicker than XFS in most cases, yet it uses less
cpu cycles.  Excellent for a laptop.  Also for a desktop as well, if you
want to maximize your cpu power.  Saving cpu cycles will also save
power.  Which will maximize your battery life on a laptop.

I would steer away from Reiser because it's slow and it sucks cpu cycles
the worst of all the other filesystems.  I have a relatively recent set
of performance benchmarks but I'll have to dig them up if you would like
to see them.

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Stefan

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Edgars Smits]

It is set to 3. I've done 2 complete clean installs of 10.1 CE, both 
ended up the same, never had this problem with 10,0 or versions prior to 
this.

ED
Paul wrote:
Op Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:46:29 -0400 schreef Edgars Smits:

In MCC I have Boot Theme turned off, no auto-login with or without 
graphical start, and when the boot finishes I do get dumped into a semi
text mode - the blue screen is still there with the crappy logo, the 
text mode rides on top of it. How do I turn the damn thing off?

Check /etc/inittab and make sure that your init mode is set to 3. If
that is not what you want, I would not know. But that is how my PC
starts in a proper textmode.
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Re: [newbie] ssh: read from socket failed in a fresh 10.1

[GV]

I do run it from cmd with the -v flag and it stops at:

debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent

I can ping the server and it can find the server but that's all is
doing!!! It doesn't even come to the point to check for the keys!

When I boot the PC with a Knoppix Live CD I don't face this problem. So
I assume that is something to do with the Mandrake distro???

Thanks

On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 16:50 +0200, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 October 2004 16:33, GV wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just installed the 10.1 and when I try to ssh to remote BSD server
> > having a dynamic IP accessible from the Internet, I get the following:
> >
> > Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer
> >
> > Please note that I can ssh this server from a WINXP PC without any
> > problem!!!
> >
> > Thanks
> 
> try logging in from the commandline. Remember that with the new installation 
> your keys have changed and you'll have to remove the old ones.
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Paul]

Op Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:46:29 -0400 schreef Edgars Smits:

>In MCC I have Boot Theme turned off, no auto-login with or without 
>graphical start, and when the boot finishes I do get dumped into a semi
>text mode - the blue screen is still there with the crappy logo, the 
>text mode rides on top of it. How do I turn the damn thing off?

Check /etc/inittab and make sure that your init mode is set to 3. If
that is not what you want, I would not know. But that is how my PC
starts in a proper textmode.

Paul

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 05 Oct 2004 15:42, Thereidos wrote:
> W liÅcie z wto, 05-10-2004, godz. 02:35, Hoyt Bailey pisze:
> > I think you  are wrong.  As nonroot I click on the KDE logout button
> > select turn computer off and everything goes off except for the
> > monitor. Which I have to turn off. Gnome has a logout icon also which
> > works simular.  Shutdown does the same but you have to be root to use
> > that.
>
> You're right. That was the reason why I thought about switching back to
> init 5.

No - there's an option somewhere to allow users to shutdown - from kde I think 
it's in the Login Manager.  I shutdown as user.

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Re: [newbie] Partitioning new HD

[stefan]

Thank you all for your comments and suggestions.

Best regards,

Stefan


Citát Hoyt Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tuesday 05 October 2004 03:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to install the 10.1 release of Mandrake on my new
> > notebook. I would like to partition my HD so I will not have to
> > format partition with my data each time I try to fully reinstall
> > linux distribution.
> >
> > My question is, how I should partition my HD and what directories
> > should be on which partition?
> >
> > I was thinking about something like:
> >
> > Partition  |  Mount   | Size GB | Contents
> > ---+--+-+--
> > Root   |/ |5| /boot, /etc, /usr, /var, ...
> > Data   |/mnt/disk |  ~65| /home, /usr/local, /tmp
> > Windows|/mnt/win  |   10|
> > Swap   |swap  |0.5  |
> >
> >
> > More questions:
> >
> > - Do I need to have /usr on a root partition?
> > - What FS would you recommend? Is it possible to have / as ext2/3 and
> > /mnt/disk as reiserfs?
> >
> > The station is meant to be mainly desktop/development machine.
> >
> > Currently I am Debian user.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Stefan
> > --
> > http://stefan.agentfarms.net
> I cannot tell you what is best because it is too personal.  You must 
> take all info that you receive and decide for yourself what you want.  
> That said I prefer ext3 with journaling I had a problem with reiserfs 
> so I quit using it. The following is what I use:
> 
> -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoyt]$ df
> Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6
>3023608115548   2754468   5% /
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part12
>   18357996621000  16804448   4% /backup
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
>  67313 12877 50960  21% /boot
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part7
>   20157836   8081416  11052448  43% /home
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part10
>   34633036  26713808   6159968  82% /music
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8
>8062888 33220   7620096   1% /tmp
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part9
>   20157836   2582092  16551772  14% /usr
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part11
>9910804194652   9212708   3% /var
> As you can see the part's are larger than they need to be, if I did 
> repartitioning again I would set them much closer to the used size 
> YMMV. I have a 120GB HD running 10.0 Off.
> Regards;
> Hoyt
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> http://counter.li.org
> 
> 




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Re: [newbie] ssh: read from socket failed in a fresh 10.1

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 16:33, GV wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just installed the 10.1 and when I try to ssh to remote BSD server
> having a dynamic IP accessible from the Internet, I get the following:
>
> Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer
>
> Please note that I can ssh this server from a WINXP PC without any
> problem!!!
>
> Thanks

try logging in from the commandline. Remember that with the new installation 
your keys have changed and you'll have to remove the old ones.
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Edgars Smits]

It's splash=silent and still doesn't solve my problem. With that set I 
get a text mode LILO start, but then as soon as the init starts it goes 
to a light blue screen with a bar area in the middle that never actually 
fills in as it boots, the words Community 10.1 with a graphic line, 
that's it, it doesn't even say hit ESC for details like it used to, 
however ESC does work.

In previous versions I have had the graphic LILO start that then drops 
me to a true text mode boot, no graphics or blue screens.

In MCC I have Boot Theme turned off, no auto-login with or without 
graphical start, and when the boot finishes I do get dumped into a semi 
text mode - the blue screen is still there with the crappy logo, the 
text mode rides on top of it. How do I turn the damn thing off?

ED
Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 08:37, Edgars Smits wrote:
I've always started in 3, but since I did a clean install to 10.1 I
can't get rid of the graphic startup screen, the only way I can see my
startup is to hit  once it starts. I then can watch everything come
up and get dumped into a terminal logon session. In previous versions it
was terminal from the start.
'Any ideas?

Your lilo.conf file is specifying a graphics setting on boot.  Remove that 
line and you should boot up in console mode only.  If you post one of your 
entries, I can point out the exact problematic setting.  I don't have those 
on my machine so I don't remember exactly what it is off-hand, something like 
vga=788 or splash=silent, something of that nature.



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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Thereidos]

W liście z wto, 05-10-2004, godz. 02:35, Hoyt Bailey pisze: 
> I think you  are wrong.  As nonroot I click on the KDE logout button 
> select turn computer off and everything goes off except for the 
> monitor. Which I have to turn off. Gnome has a logout icon also which 
> works simular.  Shutdown does the same but you have to be root to use 
> that.

You're right. That was the reason why I thought about switching back to
init 5. But it looks like this options executes poweroff/reboot while
shutdown do require root privileges.

Normally - if you have set to boot to runlevel 3 - when you manually
start kde/gnome/any other DE logging out does not give you an option to
shutdown/reboot but it only... logs you out :)
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[newbie] ssh: read from socket failed in a fresh 10.1

[GV]

Hi,

I just installed the 10.1 and when I try to ssh to remote BSD server
having a dynamic IP accessible from the Internet, I get the following:

Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer

Please note that I can ssh this server from a WINXP PC without any
problem!!!

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Thereidos]

W liście z wto, 05-10-2004, godz. 01:00, Stephen Kühn pisze: 
> > Currently I do have inittab switched to runlevel 3 but to use shutdown
> > you need a root access which I won't give my father. Or maybe I'm wrong?
> 
> You can use the "poweroff" or "reboot" command instead of shutdown -h

I have just noticed that poweroff doesn't require root privileges. Thus
I'll go for that. I think I'll write a simple script for him with the
option to choose whether to reboot or halt, and executing appropriate
command. Less commands he'll have to remember the happier man I will be
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[newbie] Reiser 4 and checking parittion type

[Thereidos]

Hi 'all.

Two questions:

1: Is there a way to mount reiser4 partition under mdk10.0 running
2.6.3-7mdk kernel?

2. How can I check what exactly partition type are on the HD before
writing anything to fstab? I'd like to know if the partition is ext2,
ext3 etc.
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 14:37, Edgars Smits wrote:
> I've always started in 3, but since I did a clean install to 10.1
> I can't get rid of the graphic startup screen, the only way I can
> see my startup is to hit  once it starts. I then can watch
> everything come up and get dumped into a terminal logon session.
> In previous versions it was terminal from the start.
>
> 'Any ideas?
>

Sometimes it helps to edit /etc/lilo.conf and change the 788 (or 
whatever) mode to 792.  Gives a nicer screen on 1024x768 too.
Don't forget to run lilo after editing.

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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Bryan Phinney]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 08:37, Edgars Smits wrote:
> I've always started in 3, but since I did a clean install to 10.1 I
> can't get rid of the graphic startup screen, the only way I can see my
> startup is to hit  once it starts. I then can watch everything come
> up and get dumped into a terminal logon session. In previous versions it
> was terminal from the start.
>
> 'Any ideas?

Your lilo.conf file is specifying a graphics setting on boot.  Remove that 
line and you should boot up in console mode only.  If you post one of your 
entries, I can point out the exact problematic setting.  I don't have those 
on my machine so I don't remember exactly what it is off-hand, something like 
vga=788 or splash=silent, something of that nature.

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Re: [newbie] Help with Python Problem (MDK 10.0)

[David B. Carter]

Thanks for giving it a shot. At least I know I'm not the only one that it
doesn't work for. Anyone else have any helpful insight?

Stephen Kühn said:
> MEANWHILE...
>
> [23:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ pypanel
> /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Xlib/display.py:30: DeprecationWarning:
> Non-ASCII character '\xf6' in file
> /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Xlib/protocol/display.py on line 749,
> but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html
> for details
>   import protocol.display
> Segmentation fault
>
> after getting curious about this issue, I tried to get it all going
> myself - with the same "seg fault" results - methinks something is
> amiss, y'all reckon? Can't seem to find anything else out about it and I
> CERTAINLY AIN'T going to break python on this installation as that's
> what caused me to migrate from a nice stable 9.1 installation to 10.0
> OE...(but I gave it a shot)
>
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Re: [newbie] changing boot to terminal

[Edgars Smits]

I've always started in 3, but since I did a clean install to 10.1 I 
can't get rid of the graphic startup screen, the only way I can see my 
startup is to hit  once it starts. I then can watch everything come 
up and get dumped into a terminal logon session. In previous versions it 
was terminal from the start.

'Any ideas?
ED
Eric Huff wrote:
I meant the permanent one but it seems that my father would like
to have an account so that he could play KDE's games :) Thus I'm
afraid I'll have to change inittab back to 5.

Or you could set his account to startx by modifying the
.bash_profile file. 

Add startx in there, and make sure KDE is his default desktop (i
don't at the moment remember how to do that).
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Re: [newbie] Help with Python Problem (MDK 10.0)

[Stephen Kühn]

On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 23:07, David B. Carter wrote:
> Just for the heck of it (although I have no idea what it means), I tried
> running pypanel with a "&" after it. I did it several times, and this was
> what the output to the terminal window looked like:
> 
> [ddecjc]$ pypanel &
> [1] 4777
> [ddecjc]$ pypanel &
> [2] 4792
> [1]   Segmentation fault  pypanel
> 
> Does this mean anything to anyone?

Er, it means you had a seg fault...

MEANWHILE...

[23:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ pypanel
/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Xlib/display.py:30: DeprecationWarning:
Non-ASCII character '\xf6' in file
/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Xlib/protocol/display.py on line 749,
but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html
for details
  import protocol.display
Segmentation fault

after getting curious about this issue, I tried to get it all going
myself - with the same "seg fault" results - methinks something is
amiss, y'all reckon? Can't seem to find anything else out about it and I
CERTAINLY AIN'T going to break python on this installation as that's
what caused me to migrate from a nice stable 9.1 installation to 10.0
OE...(but I gave it a shot)

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Re: [newbie] Help with Python Problem (MDK 10.0)

[Hoyt Bailey]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 08:04, David B. Carter wrote:
> No pypanel.py anywhere. Just pypanel (with no extension) in /usr/bin.
> Whether I just type 'pypanel' or 'python /usr/bin/pypanel' all I get
> is
>
> segmentation fault
>
> BTW, in all the reading I've done, I keep seeing commands that have
> have " &" after them. What does that do/mean?
>
> H.J.Bathoorn said:
> > On Tuesday 05 October 2004 11:44, David B. Carter wrote:
> >> segmentation fault
> >>
> >> I tried to go to the PyPanel site to look for troubleshooting
> >> info, but I
> >> didn't find any. I googled (pypanel "segmentation fault") but got
> >> nothing
> >> useful.
> >>
> >> Anyone have any ideas?
> >
> > try running it in the python shell itself.
> > I don't have PyPanel myself but you'll have pypanel.py or
> > PyPanel.py or something of the sort on your system somewhere.
> > Do "updatedb" as root/su
> > and when finished (as user) "locate anel.py" and you should get the
> > path in
> > your output.
> >
> > Then run it (with the full path) "python /path/to/pypanel.py" and
> > you'll get
> > very specific output as to where it goes wrong.
& puts the command in the background.
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Re: [newbie] Help with Python Problem (MDK 10.0)

[David B. Carter]

Just for the heck of it (although I have no idea what it means), I tried
running pypanel with a "&" after it. I did it several times, and this was
what the output to the terminal window looked like:

[ddecjc]$ pypanel &
[1] 4777
[ddecjc]$ pypanel &
[2] 4792
[1]   Segmentation fault  pypanel
[ddecjc]$ pypanel &
[3] 4807
[2]   Segmentation fault  pypanel
[ddecjc]$ pypanel &
[4] 4822
[3]   Segmentation fault  pypanel
[ddecjc]$ pypanel &
[5] 4837
[4]   Segmentation fault  pypanel
[ddecjc]$

Does this mean anything to anyone?

David B. Carter said:
> No pypanel.py anywhere. Just pypanel (with no extension) in /usr/bin.
> Whether I just type 'pypanel' or 'python /usr/bin/pypanel' all I get is
>
> segmentation fault
>
> BTW, in all the reading I've done, I keep seeing commands that have have "
> &" after them. What does that do/mean?
>



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Re: [newbie] Help with Python Problem (MDK 10.0)

[David B. Carter]

No pypanel.py anywhere. Just pypanel (with no extension) in /usr/bin.
Whether I just type 'pypanel' or 'python /usr/bin/pypanel' all I get is

segmentation fault

BTW, in all the reading I've done, I keep seeing commands that have have "
&" after them. What does that do/mean?

H.J.Bathoorn said:
> On Tuesday 05 October 2004 11:44, David B. Carter wrote:
>> segmentation fault
>>
>> I tried to go to the PyPanel site to look for troubleshooting info, but
>> I
>> didn't find any. I googled (pypanel "segmentation fault") but got
>> nothing
>> useful.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> try running it in the python shell itself.
> I don't have PyPanel myself but you'll have pypanel.py or PyPanel.py or
> something of the sort on your system somewhere.
> Do "updatedb" as root/su
> and when finished (as user) "locate anel.py" and you should get the path
> in
> your output.
>
> Then run it (with the full path) "python /path/to/pypanel.py" and you'll
> get
> very specific output as to where it goes wrong.



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Re: [newbie] Help with Python Problem (MDK 10.0)

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 11:44, David B. Carter wrote:
> segmentation fault
>
> I tried to go to the PyPanel site to look for troubleshooting info, but I
> didn't find any. I googled (pypanel "segmentation fault") but got nothing
> useful.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?

try running it in the python shell itself.
I don't have PyPanel myself but you'll have pypanel.py or PyPanel.py or 
something of the sort on your system somewhere.
Do "updatedb" as root/su
and when finished (as user) "locate anel.py" and you should get the path in 
your output.

Then run it (with the full path) "python /path/to/pypanel.py" and you'll get 
very specific output as to where it goes wrong.
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Re: [newbie] Partitioning new HD

[Hoyt Bailey]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 03:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to install the 10.1 release of Mandrake on my new
> notebook. I would like to partition my HD so I will not have to
> format partition with my data each time I try to fully reinstall
> linux distribution.
>
> My question is, how I should partition my HD and what directories
> should be on which partition?
>
> I was thinking about something like:
>
> Partition  |  Mount   | Size GB | Contents
> ---+--+-+--
> Root   |/ |5| /boot, /etc, /usr, /var, ...
> Data   |/mnt/disk |  ~65| /home, /usr/local, /tmp
> Windows|/mnt/win  |   10|
> Swap   |swap  |0.5  |
>
>
> More questions:
>
> - Do I need to have /usr on a root partition?
> - What FS would you recommend? Is it possible to have / as ext2/3 and
> /mnt/disk as reiserfs?
>
> The station is meant to be mainly desktop/development machine.
>
> Currently I am Debian user.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stefan
> --
> http://stefan.agentfarms.net
I cannot tell you what is best because it is too personal.  You must 
take all info that you receive and decide for yourself what you want.  
That said I prefer ext3 with journaling I had a problem with reiserfs 
so I quit using it. The following is what I use:

-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoyt]$ df
Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6
   3023608115548   2754468   5% /
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part12
  18357996621000  16804448   4% /backup
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
 67313 12877 50960  21% /boot
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part7
  20157836   8081416  11052448  43% /home
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part10
  34633036  26713808   6159968  82% /music
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8
   8062888 33220   7620096   1% /tmp
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part9
  20157836   2582092  16551772  14% /usr
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part11
   9910804194652   9212708   3% /var
As you can see the part's are larger than they need to be, if I did 
repartitioning again I would set them much closer to the used size 
YMMV. I have a 120GB HD running 10.0 Off.
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Re: [newbie] Installing Speedtouch USB

[Paul Smith]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:37:32 +0100, Ben Mayers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am a complete newbie to Linux, having finally made the plunge from a
> lifetime of Windows I must admit Im utterly perplexed with how difficult it
> is to  get my modem working. I would really appreciate some guidance for a
> complete bozo.
> 
> I have downloaded the binary file from
> http://www.speedtouch.fr/support_fr.htm and have decompressed them. So my
> question is: How to install the files? I have 2 .eni files(KQD6P1.eni and
> KQD6P2.eni) on my desktop. There is no readme file to go with it so what
> happens now? Once I have installed these files. What do I do next?

Ben,

Frequently, it is quite a pain to get SpeedTouch modem working fine
under Linux. (I was not successful with that.) So, the best thing to
do is to buy an ethernet modem, as the installation (under Linux) of
ethernet modems is trivial.

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Re: [newbie] Partitioning new HD

[John Layt]

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to install the 10.1 release of Mandrake on my new notebook. I
> would like to partition my HD so I will not have to format partition with
> my data each time I try to fully reinstall linux distribution.
>
> My question is, how I should partition my HD and what directories should be
> on which partition?

Here's how my 60Gb laptop, mostly desktop and developement work, is 
partitioned up for Mdk10.1:

/mnt/winxp  ntfs6Gb
/mnt/winshare   vfat1Gb
/boot   rfs 200Mb
/optrfs 0.5Gb
/varrfs 1.5Gb
/tmprfs 1Gb
swapswap768Mb
/   rfs 0.5Gb
/usrrfs 7.5Gb
/home   rfs 2Gb
/mnt/share  rfs 35.5Gb

Where rfs = reiserfs, said by many to be the best journallng system for 
partitions with lots and lots of small files, but I don't want to start a fs 
flame-war here, either reiser of ext3 will do.

The major points are:

1)  You should keep /tmp seperate to prevent rougue programs filling up your 
entire drive with tmp files, but keep it large enough for CD burning a full 
iso image.

2)  Make /home as big as you (and any other users) need it.  I keep my very 
personal files, like letters and tax and stuff on /home to keep from prying 
eyes, but everything else like mp3's and photos and GIS data goes 
on /mnt/share for everyone to use.  When I do re-install, they are the only 
partitions that don't get nuked.  These are getting so full, I'm 
contemplating an external 80Gb 2.5" usb2 drive to farm some files off to (not 
to mention the 40 CD's of files already in the cupboard :-)

3)  /var keep seperate if you're doing any messing around with web and mail 
servers and stuff like that, especially if you are serving to the internet.  
Size for ever how big you need to serve, I've been trying different CMS 
systems lately, so it's about 1Gb used.  Otherwise it can go on / .

4)  The rest could probably just go under a single / partition, but I keep 
them separate so that I don't fill the entire drive with junk in /usr and 
cause space shortages when I really need it in / (I'm forever trying out new 
stuff and never uninstalling, bad I know :-)  My 7.5Gb /usr is 99.9% full, so 
if you install lots of games from contrib/plf, you may want an extra 0.5Gb, 
otherwise it can be 2-3Gb smaller if you don't install the games or many 
other packages.  /opt isn't much used by Mdk so could definately be on one 
partition with /, and the /boot I only have separate for historic reasons 
when Win4Lin couldn't boot from reiser.

So a "sane" partition config for a single-user geek/tinkerer/developer (like 
me), leaving plenty of room for growth, on a 20Gb or bigger drive could look 
like:
 
/var2Gb
/tmp1Gb
swapwhatever required
/   1.0Gb
/usr8.0Gb
/home   2Gb (or more for extra users)
/mnt/share  whatever's left over

For an average single-user desktop/letters/surfing/games type person (like my 
Dad or sister), a config could be:
/tmp1Gb
swapwhatever required
/   8.0Gb to 10Gb
/home   2Gb (or more for extra users)
/mnt/share  whatever's left over

These are generous sizes (some might say too generous), but disk space is 
cheap, and you can size as you see fit.  It's the reasoning behind the 
partitioning that I hope you find useful.

Cheers!

John.


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Re: [newbie] Problem with installing Apollon

[Paul Smith]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:21:03 +0100, Derek Jennings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am trying to install Apollon with the all-in-one installer. However,
> > I get the error below.
> > 
> > Compiling arkollon
> > cd src && make -f Makefile
> > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/paulus/tmp/selfgz3140/arkollon-0.4/src'
> > make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt.prl',
> > needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.
> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/paulus/tmp/selfgz3140/arkollon-0.4/src'
> > make: *** [sub-src] Error 2
> > `.//arkollon-0.4/bin/arkollon' -> `/home/paulus/bin//arkollon'
> > .//arkollon-0.4/bin/arkollon: error while loading shared libraries:
> > libqt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> 
> 
> Go to http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/  declare an online source for 'plf', then
> urpmi apollon gift-fasttrack gift-openft
> 
> It will be installed along with the giFT server it depends on.

Thanks, Derek. I have already Apollon running on my computer.

Paul


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Re: [newbie] Partitioning new HD

[Bryan Phinney]

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 04:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I would like to install the 10.1 release of Mandrake on my new notebook. I
> would like to partition my HD so I will not have to format partition with
> my data each time I try to fully reinstall linux distribution.
>
> My question is, how I should partition my HD and what directories should be
> on which partition?
>
> I was thinking about something like:
>
> Partition  |  Mount   | Size GB | Contents
> ---+--+-+--
> Root   |/ |5| /boot, /etc, /usr, /var, ...
> Data   |/mnt/disk |  ~65| /home, /usr/local, /tmp
> Windows|/mnt/win  |   10|
> Swap   |swap  |0.5  |

I would always recommend having separate partitions for / and /usr from all 
other partitions.  The only mandatory partitions that must be formatted upon 
a fresh reinstall are / and /usr.  If you keep those separate, you will 
always be able to reinstall without losing data.

> - Do I need to have /usr on a root partition?

Mine is a separate partition.

Also /tmp and /var are separate but that is just because I am paranoid about 
potential DoS attacks that run the partitions out of space.  Even from 
myself, I can do potentially dumb things at times, including creating ISO 
images that are very large and run the partition out of space.

> - What FS would you recommend? Is it possible to have / as ext2/3 and
> /mnt/disk as reiserfs?

Yes.  I personally prefer Reiser, especially now that it is basically 
supported off of the Mandrake LiveCD but everyone probably has their own 
ideas.

-- 
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Re: [newbie] Help with Python Problem (MDK 10.0)

[David B. Carter]

JoeHill said:
> BTW, could you do a 'rpm -qa | grep imlib2' on your machine? I'm curious
> to see
> what your version is. My 9.2 box is now too out-of-date to run PyPanel
> 2.0, my
> version of imlib is too old.
>

libimlib2_1-filters-1.0.6-4.1.100mdk
libimlib2_1-loaders-1.0.6-4.1.100mdk
libimlib2_1-devel-1.0.6-4.1.100mdk
libimlib2_1-1.0.6-4.1.100mdk

BTW, installing libpython-devel fixed my problem. I was able to run the
PyPanel setup script. Then I put "pypanel" in my Pwkwm "start" file, but,
when I run Pekwm, I don't see anything that would lead me to believe it is
actually running. When I type "pypanel" in a terminal window while in KDE,
the screen flickers, and then I get the following:

segmentation fault

I tried to go to the PyPanel site to look for troubleshooting info, but I
didn't find any. I googled (pypanel "segmentation fault") but got nothing
useful.

Anyone have any ideas?


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Re: [newbie] Partitioning new HD

[Paul Kaplan]

I suggest increasing / to 10-15Mb, then putting everything but /home there.  I 
find this leaves me plenty of room to modify an installed system.  If you 
need more space for personal files, you can always add an external drive. 
Keeping /home separate allows you to destroy / and leave your personal stuff 
untouched.
P
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 04:17 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to install the 10.1 release of Mandrake on my new notebook. I
> would like to partition my HD so I will not have to format partition with
> my data each time I try to fully reinstall linux distribution.
>
> My question is, how I should partition my HD and what directories should be
> on which partition?
>
> I was thinking about something like:
>
> Partition  |  Mount   | Size GB | Contents
> ---+--+-+--
> Root   |/ |5| /boot, /etc, /usr, /var, ...
> Data   |/mnt/disk |  ~65| /home, /usr/local, /tmp
> Windows|/mnt/win  |   10|
> Swap   |swap  |0.5  |
>
>
> More questions:
>
> - Do I need to have /usr on a root partition?
> - What FS would you recommend? Is it possible to have / as ext2/3 and
> /mnt/disk as reiserfs?
>
> The station is meant to be mainly desktop/development machine.
>
> Currently I am Debian user.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stefan
> --
> http://stefan.agentfarms.net


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Re: [newbie] Partitioning new HD

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 04:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to install the 10.1 release of Mandrake on my new notebook. I would
> like to partition my HD so I will not have to format partition with my data
> each time I try to fully reinstall linux distribution.
> 
> My question is, how I should partition my HD and what directories should be on
> which partition?
> 
> I was thinking about something like:
> 
> Partition  |  Mount   | Size GB | Contents
> ---+--+-+--
> Root   |/ |5| /boot, /etc, /usr, /var, ...
> Data   |/mnt/disk |  ~65| /home, /usr/local, /tmp
> Windows|/mnt/win  |   10|
> Swap   |swap  |0.5  |

Disk /dev/sda: 36.7 GB, 36703918080 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4462 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   * 1  4462  35840983+  85  Linux extended
/dev/sda5 1 6 48132   83  Linux
/dev/sda6 793698796   83  Linux
/dev/sda794   160538146   82  Linux swap
/dev/sda8   161   307   1180746   83  Linux
/dev/sda9   308   902   4779306   83  Linux
/dev/sda10  903  4462  28595668+  83  Linux

sda5 = boot
sda6 = root
sda7 = swap
sda8 = tmp
sda9 = usr
sda10 = var

/home is symlinked to /var/home.  You can use the cylinder numbers above
directly; on LBA schemes the cylinders are the same size across all hard
drives these days.  The above setup is for a 35 gig drive, on other
systems, use the same partition sizes except for var, which you allocate
the lion's share of the rest of the drive to.  Consolidation of var and
home has many advantages, just a few of which include consolidation of
space resources, and grouping together all files of similar lifetimes. 
var and home have always been the most similar in terms of file
lifetimes.

There is no home partition in the Linux partition layout above.  The
reason for that is in my file lifetime analysis I have found that the
files in /home partition and /var partition have a highly similar rate
of change; therefore in all installs I symlink /home to /var/home.  The
rule is to group files with similar rates of change together in the same
partition containers whenever possible.  Among other things this
eliminates another partition divide and allows you to consolidate your
/home and /var disk resources in one, giving you much more space
flexibility.  The more partitions you have the less flexible your space
usability becomes.

Partition classification by file rates of change also reduces the
chances of filesystem corruption overall by utilizing separation of
filesystems by destructive risk.  The higher the rate of change of a set
of files the higher the probability of filesystem faux pas.  Hence for
example one of the historical reasons behind a separate /tmp partition.

You may be asking, why this order of partitions and why these sizes. 
The sizes are from actual installs (many installs) and are sized to fit
MDK 9.2- 10, with space to spare.  You should not have to resize the
partitions for a long time.  The reason for the partition order is
because drive access is faster the closer to the spindle (cylinder 0)
that you get.  Therefore, after boot and root, swap is the first
partition in line, getting the prime real estate.  /tmp has files with
the shortest lifetimes, therefore it benefits overall OS speed for it to
be close to the spindle also; but it's priority is after swap.  /usr is
next so that binaries can be loaded fast. /var is last so that it can
get the rest of the drive.

Everything except /var can pretty much remain the same as far as size;
as long as you put /home in /var/home with a symlink to /home.

Boot-root are "special" cases, don't take up much room, and therefore
have a minimal impact on the prime real estate at the drive spindle; and
boot speed is my main reason for putting them there, besides there being
an old under-the-1024 cylinder OS boot rule that I still subconsciously
respect for some reason.  Swap is first in line to take advantage of
spindle real estate; followed by /tmp. You definitely want swap to have
the best seat in the house, with /tmp following a close second.
 
Generally you want to put partitions that have the shortest file
lifetimes closer to the spindle and partitions that have files with the
longest file lifetimes out towards the edge of the platter.  /usr has
long file lifetimes and thus as you see above is an exception to the
latter speed rule, but I put it where it is for reasons of program load
speed.  There's always an exception to the rule. ;)

There are only two types of partitions; primary and extended.  Note also
that there is no 'primary partition type' for Linux.  This is simply
because of symmetry and also because of the fact that Linux doesn't need
one.  MDK can op

[newbie] Partitioning new HD

[stefan]

Hi,

I would like to install the 10.1 release of Mandrake on my new notebook. I would
like to partition my HD so I will not have to format partition with my data
each time I try to fully reinstall linux distribution.

My question is, how I should partition my HD and what directories should be on
which partition?

I was thinking about something like:

Partition  |  Mount   | Size GB | Contents
---+--+-+--
Root   |/ |5| /boot, /etc, /usr, /var, ...
Data   |/mnt/disk |  ~65| /home, /usr/local, /tmp
Windows|/mnt/win  |   10|
Swap   |swap  |0.5  |


More questions:

- Do I need to have /usr on a root partition?
- What FS would you recommend? Is it possible to have / as ext2/3 and /mnt/disk
as reiserfs?

The station is meant to be mainly desktop/development machine.

Currently I am Debian user.

Thanks,

Stefan
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Re: [newbie] 10.1 sound volume 'problem'

[Azrael]

John Richard Smith wrote:
Azrael wrote:
Are you getting output on all 5 speaker ?
John
I am getting output on the 2 front and 2 rear speakers. 

Unusual to have a 4 channel , multichannel setup, but it seems you have 
output all around though I think it ought to be at least 5 channels, 
sometimes 6.

However, when I run alsamixer, it tells me that it has the label: 
SigmaTel STAC9708/11

I have no idea .
Is this correct? After all I am using a creative Sound Blaster Live.

not having soundblaster kit in my equipement, I have not experience to 
judge by.


#> lspci | grep audio
00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 
(rev 07)

Perhaps I am using the wrong driver? draksound has selected emu10k1, 
and gives me the alternatives of audigy and snd-emu10k1. though 
choosing any of these three doesn't make any difference, my volume 
still can't be changed from within mplayer or xine. 

Well if the alternative drivers do nothing , and your card being such a 
popular one, and bound to be fully supported in linux, I'd say there has 
to be a problem somewhere with the software to run it.

So your sound output is not just half volume in some cases you don't 
have sound as in mplayer, and or xine, or your do have sound but no 
volume control in those apps.

If it's just a question of no sound at all in these apps, then you might 
need aRts enabled , that can be done inside a setting in MCC. The 
function of aRts is to enable multi sound streaming.

Here is what alsa website says about your card.
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Soundblaster+Live+Value&chip=EMU10K1&module=emu10k1 

loads of stuff for setting up /etc/modules,conf or whatever it is now 
called in MD10.1(did you say?)

I think I would try some of the settings they suggest and see what happens.
I'm going to bed now, so If I think of anything more I will let you know.

John
Thanks John, your help is truly appreciated.
The issue is that while the sound card works, as in producing sound, 
which is at a quite respectable level, there is no way of controlling 
the volume of the sound except via alsamixer. And then only by the 'Wave 
Surround' volume slider: which is the only one that drops the volume to 
almost non existant when I slide it to minimum position. I am assuming 
that mplayer/xine/etc attempt to control the 'PCM' or 'Master' volume 
slide, which only alter the volume by the very smallest amounts when 
pushing to maximum/minimum.

I am running 10.1CE. The hardware set-up has not changed since Mdk10, or 
9.2 or 9.1 or 9.. etc etc.. and this is the first time I have seen this 
specific problem.

Does anyone else have any suggestions of what could be wrong? Or even 
what other information I could give to assist in providing a better 
diagnosis?

many thanks
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