Re: Fwd: [newbie] first linux install: double clicking 'home' doesn't do anything

2005-01-22 Thread Michaël Van Dorpe
David E. Fox wrote:
> > install these, I get messages about invalid signatures and even when I
> > ignore those, the installation still doesn't work.
> 
> You usually can ignore the sigs. But what error messages do you get when
> you try installing these files?

I installed most of the bug fixes and security updates. Some
kdebase... and libkdebase4... files are left, 43 MB in total. I select
all of them  and click install, and this happens:

Additional packages needed/ To satisfy dependencies, the following
package(s) also need to be installed:
kdebase-kcontrol-nsplugins-3.2.3-134.4.101mdk

I click 'OK'

The following packages have bad signatures:
kdebase-kcontrol-nsplugins-3.2.3-134.4.101.mdk.i586.rpm: Missing
signature (Couldn't open file) Do you want to continue installation?

I choose 'Yes'.

Problem during installation.
There was a problem during the installation:
kdebase-kcontrol-nsplugins = 1.3.2.3-134.4.101mdk is needed by
kdebase-nsplugins-3.2.3-134.101mdk kdebase = 1.3.2.3-128mdk is needed
by (installed) libkdebase4-nsplugins-3.2.3-128mdk ...retrieving
failed: exited with 19 or 0
unable to install package
ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrakelinux/official/updates/10.1/RPMS/./kdebase-kcontrol-nsplugins-3.2.3-134.4.101.mdk.i86.rpm

I click 'Ok'

And that's it...

Over to the next suggestion:

charles wrote:
>you should check the setting for the 'Home' icon on your
>desktop and see what the command is for the 'Application' tab. It should
>be something like this "kfmclient openURL %u". I've seen cases where
>there was a different command, that referred to the view profiles used
>by Konqueror, was misconfigured which resulted in the response you
>described after clicking on the 'Home' desktop icon.

Indeed, it did say something about profiles... although I can't
remember what exactly that was. In any case, I changed it to what you
said. Double clicking this gives me the usual timer, and then, that
timer disappears, as usual. Nothing happens.

Any other suggestions for these update and irresponsive home/conqueror
icons on this fresh install? Thank you!

oh, Gmail gave me server errors 502 yesterday, it was 3am when I
decided that Google would not fix them before I had some sleep...!
Gmail is not perfect... but I like to keep my mail webbased during
this XP->mandrake switch. At least, the web stays the same whereever
you are :-) Be sure to reply to the list, as this is a Gmail
message...

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Re: [newbie] test

2005-01-22 Thread Simon
On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 22:01, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 22:00, Simon wrote:
> > test
>
> passed!

Thanks Anne.

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[newbie] FTP upgrading?

2005-01-22 Thread SigmaX
Hey;
I have Mandrake 9.2 installed of CD on my AMD Athlon system.  I haven't 
used Mandrake on the desktop in a while, and would like to upgrade from 
9.2 to 10.1.  How would I go about doing a complete upgrade from 9.2 to 
10.1 over FTP or something similar?  I use Debian on my PowerPC sysem 
and it's as simple there as setting sources, stopping X, and running 
"apt-get dist-upgrade."  Is there an equivelent in Mandrake 9.2?
  Thanx,
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Re: Fwd: [newbie] first linux install: double clicking 'home' doesn't do anything

2005-01-22 Thread David E. Fox
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:55:02 +0100
Michaël Van Dorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> install these, I get messages about invalid signatures and even when I
> ignore those, the installation still doesn't work.

You usually can ignore the sigs. But what error messages do you get when
you try installing these files?

> Michael, linux day one

Welcome.. !



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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Stephen Kühn wrote:
Julie Sloan lied:
[sorry - anything further I'll post to the OT list]
Down the mighty Mississip, into the Gulf, through the Panama Canal, head
directly SSW and don't stop till you smack into Windang Island.
Else, ship the goats to Knott County, KY and a mate of mine will git'em
ready and ship'em over.

Huh?   I could WALK 'em to Knott county from here.
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Aron Smith
On Saturday 22 January 2005 05:21 pm, Paul wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 23:03, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> > On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:42, Julie Sloan wrote:
> > > > Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot.
> > >
> > > Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't
> > > miss a couple!
> > >
> > >
> > > J
> >
> > Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala
> > carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat
> > patties, goat casserole...the list goes on.
> >
> > My barbie is primed up and ready.
>
> You missed the best - goat curry with rice & peas.
No Goat Ice Cream ?


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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Aron Smith
On Saturday 22 January 2005 11:44 am, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 06:35, Julie Sloan wrote:
> > Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 16:31, Julie Sloan wrote:consider Stephen's
> > > advice
> > >
> > >>Gonna start from scratch.  I've burned just about all of ~/ onto a CD
> > >>and should probably wait a day before I reinstall, to see if I think of
> > >>anything else I need to save, besides the mailboxes and addressbooks...
> > >
> > > I think you've made the right decision 
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > Well, this way I may tear out less of my hair   ;)
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> > Julie
>
> Linux causes you to tear out hair? Are you sure you're not confusing
> linux with men? Men causing you to tear your hair out I can fully
> understand, but linux? Nah. Easier to control. Much more so than men.
>
> Ask Margot.
Trying to get her goat eh  ;-)
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Re: [newbie] turn off computer?

2005-01-22 Thread Eric Huff
> > > > 1. Is the recommended procedure to turn computers off at
> > > > least nightly or keep them on all the time? 
> > > 
> > > I turn mine off to save power, but there is little or no need
> > > to do it for stability.
> > 
> > Once you've stopped using your machine for some time, and the
> > drives have spun down and the monitor goes into powersave mode,
> > how much are you really saving?

> There is a theory that its the power spikes when you turn on
> equipment that shortens their life - don't know how true it is
> though.

Well, turning them on and off can shorten their lives.  It's
probably mainly the capacitors charging and discharging.

A reason *not* to leave them on is that when you do finally shut
down, and the disk drives park the heads "all the way", they might
run into a big dust bunny that would have otherwise been cleaned on
previous shut downs.  I think that info came from Stephen Kuhn.

eric

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Re: [newbie] turn off computer?

2005-01-22 Thread Eric Huff
> > I turn mine off to save power, but there is little or no need to
> > do it for stability.
> 
> Once you've stopped using your machine for some time, and the
> drives have spun down and the monitor goes into powersave mode,
> how much are you really saving?

> I've always been curious about that one.

I am not really sure myself.  I have been planning for years to make
a little AC chord splitter so i can measure the current.

But i do know that the fan stays on and makes a lot of noise.  At
the moment, i am not even sure my hard drives shut down properly. 
But i haven't tried yet, either...

eric

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Re: [newbie] I just love it

2005-01-22 Thread Richard Urwin
On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 12:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>OK!  It seems like more than one of you are suggesting I
> substitute something for the "a".  I guess if I can see it then cp is
> the better route.  If it works it shows some of our instructors need
> to go back to school or something.
> culatr2da = see you later today  See I can get cryptic also:>)

Don't get too hung up on the command line.
You can always open the floppy icon and the home icon on your desktop 
and drag the file from the floppy to your home.

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[newbie] problem

2005-01-22 Thread id1davewp
theres an orange circle in bottom right hand task bar with a cross in the 
middle.something about network and to send log to mandrake.can any one help 
me with this please.below is my log.
CheckiComSoCompSomething is wrong with your network settings (check your 
route, firewall or proxy settings)
uting new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
mething is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
puting new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
ng Network: seems disabled
Checking Network: seems disabled
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Checking Network: seems disabled
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Checking Network: seems disabled
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Checking Network: seems disabled
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Checking Network: seems disabled
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Checking Network: seems disabled
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Checking Network: seems disabled
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Checking Network: seems disabled
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your network settings (check your route, firewall or 
proxy settings)
Computing new updates...
Connecting to 
http://www.mandrakeonline.net/online3_RemoteAction.php?action=UpdateList&log=id1davewp&host=localhost
 ...
Something is wrong with your

Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 11:26, Julie Sloan wrote:
> Stephen Kühn wrote:
> >Julie Sloan wrote:
> >>Stephen Kühn wrote:
> >>>
> >>>My barbie is primed up and ready.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>MMMmm.  I'm rowing.  Expect me sometime in March..
> >>
> >>Julie
> > 
> > 
> > Dunno if anyone's ever rowed from the west coast of the US to the east
> > coast of Australia before...interesting thought, but.
> > 
> 
> 
> Hmmm... down Triplett Creek to the Licking River, up the Licking to the 
> Ohio River, the Ohio to the Mississippi, into the Gulf of Mexico, then 
> east to the Atlantic, south and ...would it be quicker to go around the 
> Horn or Good Hope? ... where'd you say you are?  At the rate these goats 
> procreate I ought to have three or four by the time I get to Oz...
> 
> 
> [sorry - anything further I'll post to the OT list]
> 
> Julie

Down the mighty Mississip, into the Gulf, through the Panama Canal, head
directly SSW and don't stop till you smack into Windang Island.

Else, ship the goats to Knott County, KY and a mate of mine will git'em
ready and ship'em over.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Stephen Kühn wrote:
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 11:02, Julie Sloan wrote:

What about a ReiserFS?  Or is that something else, not a type of 
partition as I thought?

thanks,
Julie

Let's make it as simply put as possible.
Create the partitions:
/boot (ext3)
/ (ReiserFS)
SWAP
/home (ReiserFS)
Bear in mind that MS Windows should ALWAYS be installed first on the
drive, then GNU/linux afterwards. K.I.S.S. principle.
If you cannot have your /home on a separate partition, then don't worry
about it - it can live happily on the / partition.
Does that make more sense?

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Stephen Kühn wrote:
Julie Sloan wrote:
Stephen Kühn wrote:
My barbie is primed up and ready.

MMMmm.  I'm rowing.  Expect me sometime in March..
Julie

Dunno if anyone's ever rowed from the west coast of the US to the east
coast of Australia before...interesting thought, but.

Hmmm... down Triplett Creek to the Licking River, up the Licking to the 
Ohio River, the Ohio to the Mississippi, into the Gulf of Mexico, then 
east to the Atlantic, south and ...would it be quicker to go around the 
Horn or Good Hope? ... where'd you say you are?  At the rate these goats 
procreate I ought to have three or four by the time I get to Oz...

[sorry - anything further I'll post to the OT list]
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 11:02, Julie Sloan wrote:
> Stephen Kühn wrote:
> 
> > Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala
> > carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat
> > patties, goat casserole...the list goes on.
> > 
> > My barbie is primed up and ready.
> > 
> 
> 
> MMMmm.  I'm rowing.  Expect me sometime in March..
> 
> Julie

Dunno if anyone's ever rowed from the west coast of the US to the east
coast of Australia before...interesting thought, but.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 11:02, Julie Sloan wrote:

> What about a ReiserFS?  Or is that something else, not a type of 
> partition as I thought?
> 
> 
> thanks,
> Julie

Let's make it as simply put as possible.

Create the partitions:
/boot (ext3)
/ (ReiserFS)
SWAP
/home (ReiserFS)

Bear in mind that MS Windows should ALWAYS be installed first on the
drive, then GNU/linux afterwards. K.I.S.S. principle.

If you cannot have your /home on a separate partition, then don't worry
about it - it can live happily on the / partition.

Does that make more sense?

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Margot
Julie Sloan wrote:
Stephen Kühn wrote:
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:18, Margot wrote:
Can I sign up for a 'support contract'?

Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot.

Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't 
miss a couple!

J
Please send 2 nice goats direct to Lanman - it would be cruel to 
ship the poor creatures all the way to England and then all the way 
back to Canada! Thanks!

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Paul wrote:
Julie Sloan wrote:
Tom Brinkman wrote:

In the 
re-install, make a separate /home dir this time ;)  Also, IME, 
one real big /stor dir is better than many.

BTW, when you re-install I recommend ReiserFS.  And make a 
separate /boot partition (~50mb's, ext3).  Ratio of '/' to 
'/home' will depend on how much total space you have, but IME, 
8gig for '/' and 12gig for /home is plenty ... specially if you 
set aside storage space.  For small Linux 'only' drives (<13gig), 
I believe putting everything one big 'ol '/' partition, with a 
suitable /swap partition is best use.

When you refer to '/' , is that where /mnt is now, and is that where I'd 
access other partitions from, once I have them?

Windows doesn't like being moved - you'll need to backup your data and
re-install. 

  baby steps...   one at a time...

The '/' Tom mentions refers (here) to the partitioning - when you are
asked about mount points when you install he suggests (at least) two
partitions '/' and '/home'. Under / you will probably see other
directories, including /mnt.

and /usr and /bin  or am I still confused?

If you format the 80G into a FAT32 partition, both linux and XP could
read and write to it.

What about a ReiserFS?  Or is that something else, not a type of 
partition as I thought?

thanks,
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Stephen Kühn wrote:
Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala
carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat
patties, goat casserole...the list goes on.
My barbie is primed up and ready.

MMMmm.  I'm rowing.  Expect me sometime in March..
Julie
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Re: [newbie] turn off computer?

2005-01-22 Thread Paul
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 23:15, JoeHill wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:00:09 -0800
> Eric Huff disseminated the following:
> 
> > > 1. Is the recommended procedure to turn computers off at least 
> > > nightly or keep them on all the time? 
> > 
> > I turn mine off to save power, but there is little or no need to do
> > it for stability.
> 
> Once you've stopped using your machine for some time, and the drives have spun
> down and the monitor goes into powersave mode, how much are you really saving?
> 
> I've always been curious about that one.
> 
There is a theory that its the power spikes when you turn on equipment
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Lanman
Stephen Kühn wrote:
HAD sentimental value. All gone now.
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[newbie] Updates

2005-01-22 Thread Charles A Edwards

Updated rpms for Mdk 10.1

abiword-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-abicommand-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-abidash-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-abigimp-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-abipsion-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-aiksaurus-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-babelfish-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-freetranslation-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-gda-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-gdict-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-gdkpixbuf-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-google-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-graphics-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-impexp-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-ots-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-shell-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-urldict-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-wikipedia-2.2.3-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
libical0-0.23-0.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
libical0-devel-0.23-0.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-1.0.0-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-cachesaver-plugin-1.0.0_0.5-0.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-clamav-plugin-1.0.0-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-devel-1.0.0-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-dillo_viewer-plugin-1.0.0-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-fetchinfo-plugin-1.0.0_0.4.4.0-0.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-ghostscript_viewer-plugin-1.0.0_0.8-0.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-image_viewer-plugin-1.0.0-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-maildir-plugin-1.0.0_0.7-0.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-mathml_viewer-plugin-1.0.0-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-perl_plugin-plugin-1.0.0_0.1.1-0.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-pgpinline-plugin-1.0.0_0.5-0.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-pgpmime-plugin-1.0.0-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-spamassassin-plugin-1.0.0-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-trayicon-plugin-1.0.0-1.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
sylpheed-claws-vcalendar-plugin-1.0.0_0.6-0.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm
yammi-1.2-0.rc2.0.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm



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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 10:38, Lanman wrote:
> Stephen Kühn wrote:
> > On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 07:59, Lanman wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Damn Stephen! Did you have to list every one of our flaws? There's 
> >>honesty and then there's Brutal honesty! Nest thing you know, women will 
> >>be dating their hard drives, Sigh! Well, maybe I can just increase my 
> >>support contracts instead! Grin!
> >>
> >>Way to go! Now the secret's out of the bag!
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > It's Sunday, so since I ain't goin to church, I reckon I should be
> > honest for the day (ONLY for the day, mind you).
> > 
> > --
> > stephen kuhn
> 
> You just HAD to pick today to be honest, didn't ya. Still, I'm guessing 
> that you won't score a lot of "brownie points" with the big guy for 
> being honest just for one day, so that's a relief!
> 
> Nice talking at ya again Stephen. Take Care buddy! BTW, did you ever get 
> rid of that tie you had on your website? Or does it have sentimental value?

HAD sentimental value. All gone now.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Lanman
Stephen Kühn wrote:
It's quite alright. On THIS list, women are allowed to choose top or
bottom.
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Lanman
Stephen Kühn wrote:
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 07:59, Lanman wrote:

Damn Stephen! Did you have to list every one of our flaws? There's 
honesty and then there's Brutal honesty! Nest thing you know, women will 
be dating their hard drives, Sigh! Well, maybe I can just increase my 
support contracts instead! Grin!

Way to go! Now the secret's out of the bag!


It's Sunday, so since I ain't goin to church, I reckon I should be
honest for the day (ONLY for the day, mind you).
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You just HAD to pick today to be honest, didn't ya. Still, I'm guessing 
that you won't score a lot of "brownie points" with the big guy for 
being honest just for one day, so that's a relief!

Nice talking at ya again Stephen. Take Care buddy! BTW, did you ever get 
rid of that tie you had on your website? Or does it have sentimental value?

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Re: [newbie] 10 to 10.1 upgrade > kernel panic

2005-01-22 Thread Lanman
Paul wrote:
Still, if I didn't like a challenge I'd be sat in front of a windows box
with a noose round my neck.
Paul
I suppose that's always an option Paul. But knowing the problems you'd 
have with Windows, why not skip the Windows part and go straight to the 
noose part! At least it wouldn't be as painful as a noose AND Windows!

Or you could stay here and have some fun with us, if you prefer! After 
all Linux is all about choice and freedom!

(Noose NOT required for membership here, only common sense and a 
willingness to learn and help others - both of which you've already 
demonstrated, so it's Ok with me if you wanna stick around!)

Grin, Snicker!
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Lanman
Paul wrote:
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 23:03, Stephen Kühn wrote:
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:42, Julie Sloan wrote:
Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot.

Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't 
miss a couple!

J
Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala
carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat
patties, goat casserole...the list goes on.
My barbie is primed up and ready.

You missed the best - goat curry with rice & peas.
Great Caesar's Goat! Er, Ghost! This is getting real bad folks! LMAO!
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Paul
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 23:03, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:42, Julie Sloan wrote:
> > > 
> > > Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't 
> > miss a couple!
> > 
> > 
> > J
> 
> Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala
> carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat
> patties, goat casserole...the list goes on.
> 
> My barbie is primed up and ready.
> 

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Lanman
Margot wrote:
Lanman wrote:
Damn Stephen! Did you have to list every one of our flaws? There's 
honesty and then there's Brutal honesty! Nest thing you know, women 
will be dating their hard drives, Sigh! Well, maybe I can just 
increase my support contracts instead! Grin!

Way to go! Now the secret's out of the bag!

Can I sign up for a 'support contract'? I'm afraid I can't afford to pay 
in *cash*...but I can't afford a bigger hard drive either! ;-)

Done! Your new contract "is in the mail"!
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 10:09, Margot wrote:
>  
> Nooo! I think we'd better transfer any further 'goat' discussion 
> to the OT list...

Speaking of the OT list - what the heck ever happened to those that
initially screamed for an OT IRC channel - which exists, but no one on
this list ever goes there? (ditto with the MDK channel - both are hosted
on the Freenode servers). I spend alot of time in IRC monitoring and
ain't never no one from either list there. Hmmm. Strange that.

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Re: [newbie] turn off computer?

2005-01-22 Thread JoeHill
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:00:09 -0800
Eric Huff disseminated the following:

> > 1. Is the recommended procedure to turn computers off at least 
> > nightly or keep them on all the time? 
> 
> I turn mine off to save power, but there is little or no need to do
> it for stability.

Once you've stopped using your machine for some time, and the drives have spun
down and the monitor goes into powersave mode, how much are you really saving?

I've always been curious about that one.

> > 2. Should I install some type of firewall for security reasons? I 
> > do not have any secret formula for Coca Cola or things like that 
> > on my system, but do have credit card and other financial  info, 
> > If yes, what do you recommend?
> 
> You will get a lot of answers here, but i just use a Linksys router
> with a built in firewall.

I would second that. Linksys routers have always been my fav for such
'appliances', easy to configure, hackable, and they run Linux :-)

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Margot
Stephen Kühn wrote:
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:42, Julie Sloan wrote:
Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot.

Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't 
miss a couple!

J

Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala
carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat
patties, goat casserole...the list goes on.
My barbie is primed up and ready.
Nooo! I think we'd better transfer any further 'goat' discussion 
to the OT list...

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Paul
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 22:38, Julie Sloan wrote:
> Tom Brinkman wrote:
> > On Saturday 22 January 2005 10:32 am, Julie Sloan wrote:
> > 
> >>I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully
> >>during the reinstall will set up a storage partition or two.
> >>I'm dualbooting WinXP and Mandrake; have the Win on the
> >>original harddrive and Mandrake on its own, separate, hd.  I
> >>can "see" into windoze from Mandrake but cannot write to it.
> >>
> > Actually you seem to have alot'a snap for a newbie.  
> 
> I hope I've learned a little bit in six months??  But a lot of what you 
> say from here on looks like alphabet soup on the first pass  :)  So I'll 
> read it again, slower...
> 
> > In the 
> > re-install, make a separate /home dir this time ;)  Also, IME, 
> > one real big /stor dir is better than many.
> 
> Why one real big /stor dir?  Wouldn't it be better to have new downloads 
> (from unknown sources; I don't mean rpms) go to a separate partition to 
> isolate them just "in case", and to have certain types of large files, 
> for instance MP3s, default to their own space?
> 
> > As to 'see' into Win$ux, that why I left it at 'complicated'.
> > M$ ntfs FS's (and there are several versions), can be read by 
> > Linux, but write support is (intentionally by M$) dangerous and 
> > not supported. I'm not even sure if a tarball stored on ntfs can 
> > be transferred to Linux.
> 
> Yes it can - is how I got a modem driver when linux wasn't recognizing 
> my conexant last summer.  D/L'ed it into WinXP & then cp'd it into Mandrake.
> 
> >BTW, when you re-install I recommend ReiserFS.  And make a 
> > separate /boot partition (~50mb's, ext3).  Ratio of '/' to 
> > '/home' will depend on how much total space you have, but IME, 
> > 8gig for '/' and 12gig for /home is plenty ... specially if you 
> > set aside storage space.  For small Linux 'only' drives (<13gig), 
> > I believe putting everything one big 'ol '/' partition, with a 
> > suitable /swap partition is best use.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions.  I have 200G total on two drives, but 80 of 
> that has Win$ux spread all over it.  If I make a, say, 20G partition on 
> the 120G drive, (where my crippled Mandrake 10.0 is now) then move (?) 
> the 4G of WinXP OS into it, could I reformat that 80G into storage 
> space?  The thought of it is pretty daunting; I am very new to this and 
> know very little command-line stuff.
> 
> When you refer to '/' , is that where /mnt is now, and is that where I'd 
> access other partitions from, once I have them?
> 
Windows doesn't like being moved - you'll need to backup your data and
re-install. 

The '/' Tom mentions refers (here) to the partitioning - when you are
asked about mount points when you install he suggests (at least) two
partitions '/' and '/home'. Under / you will probably see other
directories, including /mnt.

If you format the 80G into a FAT32 partition, both linux and XP could
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:42, Julie Sloan wrote:
> > 
> > Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot.
> > 
> 
> 
> Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't 
> miss a couple!
> 
> 
> J

Goat steak, goat stew, goat pie, goat cheese, goat ala mode, goat ala
carte, goat burgers, goat kebabs, goat gyros, goat sausages, goat
patties, goat casserole...the list goes on.

My barbie is primed up and ready.

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Re: Fwd: [newbie] first linux install: double clicking 'home' doesn't do anything

2005-01-22 Thread Michaël Van Dorpe
> You need Security and Bug Fixes. It's a bit download, that first time, but it
> won't ever be as big a that again.  

So I downloaded the 191 files or 691MB... unfortunately one of those
files was corrupted or something, and I tried to install (and
download) those security and bug fixes in batches of 50MB or so. I
heard that downloads from this ftp server does not count for my
university download limit, so that's not a problem anymore.

There's 43MB left that I can't install: nine bug fixes whose name
start with 'kdebase', five starting with 'libkdebase4'. When I want to
install these, I get messages about invalid signatures and even when I
ignore those, the installation still doesn't work.

So I just logged out/in again because, after all, I had installed most
of the updates. Double clicking 'home' or 'konqueror' still gave no
response.

I decided to change some of the ftp settings of the updates site, but
that didn't work either and now I lost the original address as well...

I'm a little stuck now :-) I'm going to read some more in my ' starter
guide' and wait for your responses! Thanks!

Michael, linux day one
Belgium, five minutes before 0.00

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Re: [newbie] dwnloads

2005-01-22 Thread Paul
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 18:57, Anne Wilson wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 18:02, dave needham wrote:
> 
> >
> > an avid user from on winxp.i dwloaded it to my desktop but from there i
> > dont no what to do.its dwnloaded as tar gz i can extract it using ark but i
> > have trouble locating the dir and open a terminal to get it to instal.need
> > help please.once i learn the routine ill be happy
> > dave...
> >
> The problem appears to be that noone has made an RPM for 10.0 as far as I can 
> see.  Is there any chance of your getting the disks for 10.1?  You'd be a lot 
> better off if you can.  There are several on-line vendors that offer cheap 
> sets of disks, like cheapbytes.com and fastdiscs.com.  If that's not a 
> possibility, make a tmp directory under your home and move the .gz file 
> there.  Extract it, and there may be an instruction document there.  It's 
> usual to install anything from a tarball to /usr/local.  If there are no 
> specific instructions, follow Paul's.
> 
> The other option is to stick to Mozilla for the time being, until you can 
> update to 10.1.
> 
> Anne

10.1 DVD is the cover disc for the latest issue of Linux Magazine  (UK -
I don't know about other countries), if that's any use to you.



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Re: [newbie] turn off computer?

2005-01-22 Thread Kenneth Rhodes
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 15:15 -0600, Avi Schwartz wrote:
> Andy Yankovich wrote:
> 
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > My computer is used only by me. Never by another person.
> >
> > I have a cable connection that is always on.
> >
> > 1. Is the recommended procedure to turn computers off at least nightly 
> > or keep them on all the time?
> >
> This is really up to you.  I keep mine on all the time (1) because I 
> like to convenience of being able to access the Internet any time, day 
> or night without having to wait for the computer to boot and (2) because 
> I am running my own mail server.
> 
  Andy, I'm like Avi - I like to keep my computer on and online
  for convenient access. Something about keeping the computer 
  on when it is not doing anything worthwhile strikes me as
  wasteful so I rationalize my indulgence by participating in
  one of the many distributed programming projects available
  on the web. If you are inclined to keep your computer running,
  I urge you to consider participating in one.

  Currently, I particpate in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] project. You can
  find more information here:
  http://folding.stanford.edu/
  
  Essentially, these distributed programming projects allow
  you to run a program that processes data at the lowest
  priority rating.  I really cannot perceive any drag
  on my systems performance.

  Participating in one of these distributed programming
  projects is one of the easiest ways to make a
  worthwhile contribution to the commonweal.

  Sorry, to post off topic. You, or anyone who is interested
  in more information, please feel free to contact me.

  
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Stephen Kühn wrote:
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:18, Margot wrote:
Can I sign up for a 'support contract'?

Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot.

Pssst, Margot - - my nextdoor neightbors are raising goats and wouldn't 
miss a couple!

J
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2005 10:32 am, Julie Sloan wrote:
I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully
during the reinstall will set up a storage partition or two.
I'm dualbooting WinXP and Mandrake; have the Win on the
original harddrive and Mandrake on its own, separate, hd.  I
can "see" into windoze from Mandrake but cannot write to it.
Actually you seem to have alot'a snap for a newbie.  
I hope I've learned a little bit in six months??  But a lot of what you 
say from here on looks like alphabet soup on the first pass  :)  So I'll 
read it again, slower...

In the 
re-install, make a separate /home dir this time ;)  Also, IME, 
one real big /stor dir is better than many.
Why one real big /stor dir?  Wouldn't it be better to have new downloads 
(from unknown sources; I don't mean rpms) go to a separate partition to 
isolate them just "in case", and to have certain types of large files, 
for instance MP3s, default to their own space?

As to 'see' into Win$ux, that why I left it at 'complicated'.
M$ ntfs FS's (and there are several versions), can be read by 
Linux, but write support is (intentionally by M$) dangerous and 
not supported. I'm not even sure if a tarball stored on ntfs can 
be transferred to Linux.
Yes it can - is how I got a modem driver when linux wasn't recognizing 
my conexant last summer.  D/L'ed it into WinXP & then cp'd it into Mandrake.

   BTW, when you re-install I recommend ReiserFS.  And make a 
separate /boot partition (~50mb's, ext3).  Ratio of '/' to 
'/home' will depend on how much total space you have, but IME, 
8gig for '/' and 12gig for /home is plenty ... specially if you 
set aside storage space.  For small Linux 'only' drives (<13gig), 
I believe putting everything one big 'ol '/' partition, with a 
suitable /swap partition is best use.
Thanks for the suggestions.  I have 200G total on two drives, but 80 of 
that has Win$ux spread all over it.  If I make a, say, 20G partition on 
the 120G drive, (where my crippled Mandrake 10.0 is now) then move (?) 
the 4G of WinXP OS into it, could I reformat that 80G into storage 
space?  The thought of it is pretty daunting; I am very new to this and 
know very little command-line stuff.

When you refer to '/' , is that where /mnt is now, and is that where I'd 
access other partitions from, once I have them?

thanks,
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 09:18, Margot wrote:
>  
> Can I sign up for a 'support contract'?

Goats are accepted in lieu of cash, Margot.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Margot
Lanman wrote:
Damn Stephen! Did you have to list every one of our flaws? There's 
honesty and then there's Brutal honesty! Nest thing you know, women will 
be dating their hard drives, Sigh! Well, maybe I can just increase my 
support contracts instead! Grin!

Way to go! Now the secret's out of the bag!

Can I sign up for a 'support contract'? I'm afraid I can't afford to 
pay in *cash*...but I can't afford a bigger hard drive either! ;-)

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Re: [newbie] 10 to 10.1 upgrade > kernel panic

2005-01-22 Thread Paul
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 00:47, Erylon Hines wrote:
> On Friday 21 January 2005 05:51 pm, Paul wrote:
> | When upgrading to 10.1 Official from 10.0 Official, I keep getting a
> | 'kernel panic  suggest passing init=" error.
> |
> | If I make a new install with the same discs, there's no problem.
> |
> | Any ideas what causes this?
> 
> Sometimes, lilo doesn't get the line:
> 
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img
> 
> added to it.  Or, the line could possibly be there, but be pointing to the 
> old 
> *.img, and not to the new one.  Boot with a Knoppix disk and have a look at 
> /etc/lilo.conf
> and
> /boot
> The initrd.img file is a link--see if it points to the right kernel.
> 
> And, /boot/vmlinuz must point to the the correct kernel, too.  I left this 
> for 
> last because I, too, have had problems, and the initrd.img link was the 
> culprit, not the vmlinuz.  You would think an upgrade would always re-create 
> the initrd.img to point to the new kernel, but not so.  OOPS--kernel panic.

Many thanks for the information, this does seem to be the problem area.

I haven't managed to sort it yet, but still don't understand exactly
whats going on.

There are two kernels mentioned in lilo setup, 2.4 & 2.6 both lead to
kernel panic if selected. the initrd.img points to the 2.6 kernel, but
there are initrd2.4 & 2.6.img files, and point to their respective
vmlinuz.

Still, if I didn't like a challenge I'd be sat in front of a windows box
with a noose round my neck.

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Re: [newbie] test

2005-01-22 Thread Anne Wilson
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[newbie] test

2005-01-22 Thread Simon
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Saturday 22 January 2005 10:32 am, Julie Sloan wrote:
> > If /home's not on a separate partition now, and you
> > have enough diskspace on a storage partition, just copy your
> > entire /home directory to that partition.  Then copy it back
> > in after a re-install of 10.0, overwriting the install /home.
> >  This probly isn't practically feasible if your storage area
> > is any type of Windoze file system.  It's possible, but much
> > more complicated.
> >  
>
> I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully
> during the reinstall will set up a storage partition or two.
>  I'm dualbooting WinXP and Mandrake; have the Win on the
> original harddrive and Mandrake on its own, separate, hd.  I
> can "see" into windoze from Mandrake but cannot write to it.
>
> thanks,
> Julie

Actually you seem to have alot'a snap for a newbie.  In the 
re-install, make a separate /home dir this time ;)  Also, IME, 
one real big /stor dir is better than many.  CD backup of /home 
was a good idea on your part.  This advice comin from an old 
idiot with 4 /stor[1,2,3,4] partitions spanning 3 PATA/SATA mix 
of drives with a total of 280gig.

As to 'see' into Win$ux, that why I left it at 'complicated'.
M$ ntfs FS's (and there are several versions), can be read by 
Linux, but write support is (intentionally by M$) dangerous and 
not supported. I'm not even sure if a tarball stored on ntfs can 
be transferred to Linux.  Maybe someone here with actual 
experience can comment. I haven't used anything M$ in years.

   BTW, when you re-install I recommend ReiserFS.  And make a 
separate /boot partition (~50mb's, ext3).  Ratio of '/' to 
'/home' will depend on how much total space you have, but IME, 
8gig for '/' and 12gig for /home is plenty ... specially if you 
set aside storage space.  For small Linux 'only' drives (<13gig), 
I believe putting everything one big 'ol '/' partition, with a 
suitable /swap partition is best use.
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Re: [newbie] turn off computer?

2005-01-22 Thread Avi Schwartz
Andy Yankovich wrote:
Hi guys,
My computer is used only by me. Never by another person.
I have a cable connection that is always on.
1. Is the recommended procedure to turn computers off at least nightly 
or keep them on all the time?

This is really up to you.  I keep mine on all the time (1) because I 
like to convenience of being able to access the Internet any time, day 
or night without having to wait for the computer to boot and (2) because 
I am running my own mail server.

2. Should I install some type of firewall for security reasons? I do 
not have any secret formula for Coca Cola or things like that on my 
system, but do have credit card and other financial info,

Yes.  Linux is good and secure but it is not completely hacker proof 
(nothing is).

If yes, what do you recommend?
Start with the firewall that ships with Mandrake and use the Mandrake 
Control Center to turn it on and configure it.

3. Ditto for anti-virus? If yes, what do you recommend?
Viruses at this point are not a problem for Linux, but if you serve mail 
to Windows machines or just want to be safe, you can use clamav.  You 
can install it via the mcc.

4. Is the anti-span feature built into KMail sufficient or should I 
pick a second program. If yes, what do you recommend?

Stick with the kmail anti-spam feature and if you are not satisfied, you 
can always look for something additional (like spamassassin).

Looking forward to both your answers and *reasons*.
BTW, you may want to turn off the reply-to setting.  It is normally not 
needed and it causes replies to go directly to you instead of the 
mailing list.
Also, there is no need to send html to this list.  Text is all you need.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 07:54, Julie Sloan wrote:
> Stephen Kühn wrote:
> > 
> > Difference between a hard drive and a man:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the explanation!
> 
> 
> BTW, sorry for my earlier top-posting, I'd forgotten it is preferable to 
> bottom-post on this list?
> 
> 
> Julie

It's quite alright. On THIS list, women are allowed to choose top or
bottom.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 07:59, Lanman wrote:

> Damn Stephen! Did you have to list every one of our flaws? There's 
> honesty and then there's Brutal honesty! Nest thing you know, women will 
> be dating their hard drives, Sigh! Well, maybe I can just increase my 
> support contracts instead! Grin!
> 
> Way to go! Now the secret's out of the bag!
> 
> 

It's Sunday, so since I ain't goin to church, I reckon I should be
honest for the day (ONLY for the day, mind you).

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Lanman
Julie Sloan wrote:
Stephen Kühn wrote:
Difference between a hard drive and a man:

Thanks for the explanation!
BTW, sorry for my earlier top-posting, I'd forgotten it is preferable to 
bottom-post on this list?

Julie
Kinda like the difference between top-feeding and bottom-feeding, but 
way different!

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Re: [newbie] turn off computer?

2005-01-22 Thread Eric Huff
Andy Yankovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My computer is used only by me. Never by another person.
> I have a cable connection that is always on.

You'll get a lot of suggestions, but here is what i do:

> 1. Is the recommended procedure to turn computers off at least 
> nightly or keep them on all the time? 

I turn mine off to save power, but there is little or no need to do
it for stability.

> 2. Should I install some type of firewall for security reasons? I 
> do not have any secret formula for Coca Cola or things like that 
> on my system, but do have credit card and other financial  info, 
> If yes, what do you recommend?

You will get a lot of answers here, but i just use a Linksys router
with a built in firewall.

Also, turn off any services you don't use.  MCC is the Mandrake
Control Center.  type mcc at the cli or find it in the menu system. 
Then system-->services will show what is running.

> 3. Ditto for anti-virus? If yes, what do you recommend?

No real need.  There are entire threads on why in the archives and
on the web.  :)

> 4. Is the anti-span feature built into KMail sufficient or should 
> I pick a second program. If yes, what do you recommend?

I would wait and see how well your present spam filter does.  If you
still get too much spam (or too many false positives) for your
liking, then you could try other ones.  I like popfile, myself.

http://popfile.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Lanman
Stephen Kühn wrote:
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 07:38, Julie Sloan wrote:
Well, after sleeping on the harddrive I am confusing the two
;)

Stephen Kühn wrote:

Linux causes you to tear out hair? Are you sure you're not confusing
linux with men? Men causing you to tear your hair out I can fully
understand, but linux? Nah. Easier to control. Much more so than men.
Ask Margot.

Difference between a hard drive and a man:
* Hard drives retain data (memory) and only forget when you format them.
Men, on the other hand, do not retain data (memory) at their discretion
and whimsy, and will always remember things at the worst possible
moment.
* Hard drives do not talk back to you or argue
* Hard drives do not watch sports and drink beer.
* Hard drives turn on when you want them turned on. Men turn on at the
worst possible moments.
* Hard drives do not snore.
* Hard drives do not purchase expensive sports cars
* Hard drives do not chase younger women when they reach the middle of
their life spans
* Hard drives are easily maintained. Men require far too much
maintenance.
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be dating their hard drives, Sigh! Well, maybe I can just increase my 
support contracts instead! Grin!

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Stephen Kühn wrote:
Difference between a hard drive and a man:

Thanks for the explanation!
BTW, sorry for my earlier top-posting, I'd forgotten it is preferable to 
bottom-post on this list?

Julie

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Re: Fwd: [newbie] first linux install: double clicking 'home' doesn't do anything

2005-01-22 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 20:26, Michaël Van Dorpe wrote:
> Logging out/in didn't help. So, now I'm going to try your other
> suggestion: updates. 

Top-posting is frowned upon, on the list.  Read 
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette for 
more explanation.

> I did get some updates from the internet during 
> the installation, if I remember correctly. If that is not what you
> mean, then there is more: in the control center I can choose
> 'updates'. All security updates are 320MB... if I add the bugfixes
> update, that makes 691MB!
>
You need Security and Bug Fixes.  The third category - I can't remember the 
name, but something like 'normal updates' are not important.  You can get 
them as and when you need them.  It's a bit download, that first time, but it 
won't ever be as big a that again.  You do need to check regularly, though 
for security updates, so that it keeps the amount manageable.

> Also, please let me know if I should have sent a reply instead of an
> e-mail to the whole list.
>
You were right to reply to the list.  If we can all read replies, we know what 
others have said and can add helpful extra information.

The problem is that you are a gmail user, so our replies go to you instead of 
the list unless we alter the To: line - and we often don't realise it.  It's 
polite to add a line either at the top or the bottom of your messages 
reminding people that you are a gmail user, and the reply line will need 
adjusting.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 07:38, Julie Sloan wrote:
> Well, after sleeping on the harddrive I am confusing the two
> ;)
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Kühn wrote:
> 
> > Linux causes you to tear out hair? Are you sure you're not confusing
> > linux with men? Men causing you to tear your hair out I can fully
> > understand, but linux? Nah. Easier to control. Much more so than men.
> > 
> > Ask Margot.

Difference between a hard drive and a man:

* Hard drives retain data (memory) and only forget when you format them.
Men, on the other hand, do not retain data (memory) at their discretion
and whimsy, and will always remember things at the worst possible
moment.

* Hard drives do not talk back to you or argue

* Hard drives do not watch sports and drink beer.

* Hard drives turn on when you want them turned on. Men turn on at the
worst possible moments.

* Hard drives do not snore.

* Hard drives do not purchase expensive sports cars

* Hard drives do not chase younger women when they reach the middle of
their life spans

* Hard drives are easily maintained. Men require far too much
maintenance.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Well, after sleeping on the harddrive I am confusing the two
;)

Stephen Kühn wrote:
Linux causes you to tear out hair? Are you sure you're not confusing
linux with men? Men causing you to tear your hair out I can fully
understand, but linux? Nah. Easier to control. Much more so than men.
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Fwd: [newbie] first linux install: double clicking 'home' doesn't do anything

2005-01-22 Thread Michaël Van Dorpe
Logging out/in didn't help. So, now I'm going to try your other
suggestion: updates. I did get some updates from the internet during
the installation, if I remember correctly. If that is not what you
mean, then there is more: in the control center I can choose
'updates'. All security updates are 320MB... if I add the bugfixes
update, that makes 691MB!

I just want to make sure that I don't waste my university monthly
download limit on this if this is not what you mean... can you confirm
these are the updates I need to do?

Also, please let me know if I should have sent a reply instead of an
e-mail to the whole list.

Thanks for your help!


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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:07:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [newbie] first linux install: double clicking 'home'
doesn't do anything
To: Michaël Van Dorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


On Saturday 22 January 2005 03:04 pm, Michaël Van Dorpe wrote:

>
> A little later, I discovered that double clicking the 'home' icon on
> the desktop doesn't do anything either, and that's when I started to
> look for help... and ended up subscribing on this mailinglist.
>
> Is something wrong with my install or with my computer? Thanks for any
> help!
>

Just done the updates?

If not do them, then log out of KDE and back in.

I've seen this behavior sometimes after installing upgrades. Logging out of
KDE and back in fixes it.

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[newbie] turn off computer?

2005-01-22 Thread Andy Yankovich

Hi guys,

My computer is used only by me. Never by another person.
I have a cable connection that is always on.

1. Is the recommended procedure to turn computers off at least nightly or keep them on all the time? 
2. Should I install some type of firewall for security reasons? I do not have any secret formula for Coca Cola or things like that on my system, but do have credit card and other financial  info, 
If yes, what do you recommend?
3. Ditto for anti-virus? If yes, what do you recommend?
4. Is the anti-span feature built into KMail sufficient or should I pick a second program. If yes, what do you recommend?

Looking forward to both your answers and *reasons*.

Andy


[newbie] first linux install: double clicking 'home' doesn't do anything

2005-01-22 Thread Michaël Van Dorpe
I just removed Windows XP pro from my Dell Inspiron 5100 (PIV 2.4,
512MB ram) and installed Mandrake 10.1 'powerpack'.

The 'starter guide' said I would find Mozilla in Internet/Browsers,
but that is not the case. So, I tried to launch Konqueror from the,
uhm, (*looks in manual*), oh yes, the 'panel'.  However, nothing
happens! So I installed Mozilla with the configuration tool on the
same panel, and ran it with the run command/mozilla. This works fine.

A little later, I discovered that double clicking the 'home' icon on
the desktop doesn't do anything either, and that's when I started to
look for help... and ended up subscribing on this mailinglist.

Is something wrong with my install or with my computer? Thanks for any help!

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake and Tungsten T5

2005-01-22 Thread David Little
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 08:52 -0500, Jason Riker wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> Has anyone been able to sync a Tungsten under Mandrake?  If so, which
> model and can you provide the steps you took to get it working?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Jason
> 

I couldn't get j-pilot or kpilot to work more than occasionally on 10.1
on a toshiba.

pilot-xfer works fine provided you hit hot sync and the cable button on
the T5 before running it. I think hotplug maps it to /dev/pilot
automatically.

To backup:
pilot-xfer -p /dev/pilot --backup $HOME/palm/xbackup


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Re: [newbie] help

2005-01-22 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 19:26, Stephen Kühn wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 06:13, dave needham wrote:
> > hi margot
> > i think it was john or sumone to goto http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/
> > follow instructions which was copy and paste txt which i did but i found
> > some small print which said urpmi.removemedia -a if you had broadband
> > which i have but i did it last after the txt so im not sure if it worked
> > or not.now i get an error message saying media locked..
>
> Quick fix: remove the media FIRST, then reboot the machine, then re-add
> from the urpmi website; that will give you fresh sources, and then you
> can begin updating without the database being locked mate.
>
If your database is locked you need to get rid of the lock -

killall urpmi urpmi.update urpme rpm urpmi.addmedia
rm -f /var/lib/urpmi/.LOCK /var/lib/rpm/RPMLOCK

but don't forget that it is locked when Software Installer is open, so if you 
had it open, just close it and try again.

Another tip - I would put your DVD source back - you can still use it if for 
any reason the mirrors are down - and just disable it in MCC > Software 
Management > Media Management.  Just remove the check-mark.  I prefer this to 
removing it.

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Re: [newbie] Mouse Over Multiple PC's

2005-01-22 Thread Sevatio
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Sevatio wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am looking for the name of the application that allows me to use one 
mouse over different PC's.  I thought I saw the RPM at one time but 
now I can't recall the name of that application.

Merci d'avance,
Sevatio
Is x2x what you are looking for?
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Thanks, I haven't tried x2x yet but I just found Synergy and I'm trying 
to configure it.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 06:35, Julie Sloan wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> > 
> > On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 16:31, Julie Sloan wrote:consider Stephen's advice
> > 
> >>Gonna start from scratch.  I've burned just about all of ~/ onto a CD
> >>and should probably wait a day before I reinstall, to see if I think of
> >>anything else I need to save, besides the mailboxes and addressbooks...
> >>
> > 
> > I think you've made the right decision 
> > 
> > Anne
> 
> 
> Well, this way I may tear out less of my hair   ;)
> 
> 
> thanks,
> Julie

Linux causes you to tear out hair? Are you sure you're not confusing
linux with men? Men causing you to tear your hair out I can fully
understand, but linux? Nah. Easier to control. Much more so than men.

Ask Margot.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Anne Wilson wrote:
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On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 16:31, Julie Sloan wrote:consider Stephen's advice
Gonna start from scratch.  I've burned just about all of ~/ onto a CD
and should probably wait a day before I reinstall, to see if I think of
anything else I need to save, besides the mailboxes and addressbooks...
I think you've made the right decision 
Anne

Well, this way I may tear out less of my hair   ;)
thanks,
Julie

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Re: [newbie] help

2005-01-22 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 06:13, dave needham wrote:

> hi margot
> i think it was john or sumone to goto http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/
> follow instructions which was copy and paste txt which i did but i found some 
> small print which said urpmi.removemedia -a if you had broadband which i have 
> but i did it last after the txt so im not sure if it worked or not.now i get 
> an error message saying media locked..

Quick fix: remove the media FIRST, then reboot the machine, then re-add
from the urpmi website; that will give you fresh sources, and then you
can begin updating without the database being locked mate.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake and Tungsten T5

2005-01-22 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Jason Riker wrote:
Hello All,
Has anyone been able to sync a Tungsten under Mandrake?  If so, which
model and can you provide the steps you took to get it working?
Thank you.
Jason
 

I haven't don the T5, but from what I have read on the jpilot mailing 
list, you should not have any problems. You can use jpilot, k-pilot, or 
what ever you like. The biggest thing is that you have to specify 
/dev/pilot for the connection. The device will NOT show up untill you 
start the sync on the Palm, so don't worry if you get a message about 
the device not being found. With k-pilot, the connection daemon keeps 
retrying the device, waiting for you to hit the sync button, and takes 
it from there. With j-pilot, you have to start the sync on the Palm, and 
then click on the sync icon. (IF you take too long, the palm times out.)

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Re: [newbie] help

2005-01-22 Thread dave needham
On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 18:38, Margot wrote:
> dave needham wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]$ su
> > Password:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]# urpmi.removemedia
> > the entry to remove is missing
> > (one of update_source, Installation DVD (cdrom1))
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]# urpmi.removemedia
> > the entry to remove is missing
> > (one of update_source, Installation DVD (cdrom1))
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]# urpmi.removemedia
> > the entry to remove is missing
> > (one of update_source, Installation DVD (cdrom1))
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]#
> >
> > please help.not sure what whent wrong...
> > dave
>
> Dave,
>
> What's wrong is that you aren't telling it *what* to remove!
>
> There is no need to remove your existing media, but, if you are
> really sure that you want to, these are the correct commands:
>
> urpmi.removemedia -a (will remove all existing media) or
>
> urpmi.removemedia xyz (will remove a single medium named xyz - you
> have to supply the correct name!)

hi margot
i think it was john or sumone to goto http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/
follow instructions which was copy and paste txt which i did but i found some 
small print which said urpmi.removemedia -a if you had broadband which i have 
but i did it last after the txt so im not sure if it worked or not.now i get 
an error message saying media locked..


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Re: [newbie] help

2005-01-22 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 18:28, dave needham wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]$ su
> Password:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]# urpmi.removemedia
> the entry to remove is missing
> (one of update_source, Installation DVD (cdrom1))
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]# urpmi.removemedia
> the entry to remove is missing
> (one of update_source, Installation DVD (cdrom1))
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]# urpmi.removemedia
> the entry to remove is missing
> (one of update_source, Installation DVD (cdrom1))
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]#
>
> please help.not sure what whent wrong...
> dave

Have I missed something?  Why were you trying to remove the media?  Anyway, if 
you need to put the DVD back as a resource, put it in your drive, then, in a 
root terminal type

 urpmi.addmedia --distrib cdrom removable://mnt/dvd

replacing the 'dvd' with the mount name for your drive.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 16:32, Julie Sloan wrote:
>
> I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully during the
> reinstall will set up a storage partition or two.  I'm dualbooting WinXP
> and Mandrake; have the Win on the original harddrive and Mandrake on its
> own, separate, hd.  I can "see" into windoze from Mandrake but cannot
> write to it.
>
Writing to an ntfs partition is still not 100% safe, so better not attempted.  
Instead, make a fat32 partition big enough to hold any data that you might 
want to share between apps.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 16:31, Julie Sloan wrote:consider Stephen's advice
>
> Gonna start from scratch.  I've burned just about all of ~/ onto a CD
> and should probably wait a day before I reinstall, to see if I think of
> anything else I need to save, besides the mailboxes and addressbooks...
>
I think you've made the right decision 

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Re: [newbie] dwnloads

2005-01-22 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 18:02, dave needham wrote:

>
> an avid user from on winxp.i dwloaded it to my desktop but from there i
> dont no what to do.its dwnloaded as tar gz i can extract it using ark but i
> have trouble locating the dir and open a terminal to get it to instal.need
> help please.once i learn the routine ill be happy
> dave...
>
The problem appears to be that noone has made an RPM for 10.0 as far as I can 
see.  Is there any chance of your getting the disks for 10.1?  You'd be a lot 
better off if you can.  There are several on-line vendors that offer cheap 
sets of disks, like cheapbytes.com and fastdiscs.com.  If that's not a 
possibility, make a tmp directory under your home and move the .gz file 
there.  Extract it, and there may be an instruction document there.  It's 
usual to install anything from a tarball to /usr/local.  If there are no 
specific instructions, follow Paul's.

The other option is to stick to Mozilla for the time being, until you can 
update to 10.1.

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Re: [newbie] help

2005-01-22 Thread Margot
dave needham wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]$ su
Password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]# urpmi.removemedia
the entry to remove is missing
(one of update_source, Installation DVD (cdrom1))
[EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]# urpmi.removemedia
the entry to remove is missing
(one of update_source, Installation DVD (cdrom1))
[EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]# urpmi.removemedia
the entry to remove is missing
(one of update_source, Installation DVD (cdrom1))
[EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]#
please help.not sure what whent wrong...
dave

Dave,
What's wrong is that you aren't telling it *what* to remove!
There is no need to remove your existing media, but, if you are 
really sure that you want to, these are the correct commands:

urpmi.removemedia -a (will remove all existing media) or
urpmi.removemedia xyz (will remove a single medium named xyz - you 
have to supply the correct name!)

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[newbie] help

2005-01-22 Thread dave needham
[EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]$ su
Password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]# urpmi.removemedia
the entry to remove is missing
(one of update_source, Installation DVD (cdrom1))
[EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]# urpmi.removemedia
the entry to remove is missing
(one of update_source, Installation DVD (cdrom1))
[EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]# urpmi.removemedia
the entry to remove is missing
(one of update_source, Installation DVD (cdrom1))
[EMAIL PROTECTED] id1davewp]#

please help.not sure what whent wrong...
dave


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Re: [newbie] dwnloads

2005-01-22 Thread dave needham
On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 17:49, Anne Wilson wrote:
> easyurpmi.zarb.org
thanks anne for your info
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Re: [newbie] dwnloads

2005-01-22 Thread dave needham
On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 17:47, john wrote:> On Saturday 22 January 2005 17:12, 
dave needham wrote:
> > hi all,hopeing some one can help me please.im a new user to linux
> > migrating from winxp and i will not be going back.im using the official
> > mandrake linux 10.0. i need to learn the best way to dwnload soft ware to
> > my pc.i mean where is the easiest place on the pc to put them and i also
> > whant to learn how to extract them to a directory and be able to get them
> > to work. this should keep some one buisy to explain.
> > thanks to all that helps
> > dave.
>thanks john and to others for the info. im tryin to dwnload firefox as i was 
an avid user from on winxp.i dwloaded it to my desktop but from there i dont 
no what to do.its dwnloaded as tar gz i can extract it using ark but i have 
trouble locating the dir and open a terminal to get it to instal.need help 
please.once i learn the routine ill be happy
dave...

> Welcome to Mandrake !
> Nope, not going to be busy :-)) .it's pretty well already been done for
> you - depends really what sort of software you are wanting.
>
> Mandrake uses the rpm format for packages, and there are 2 ways of getting
> these packages which are self-extracting/installing.
> 1) If it's on a Mandrake mirror urpmi will download it and install it for
> you urpmi being Mandrake's package installer, have a look here for an in
> depth explanation :-
>  http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi
> no, I'm not telling you to RTFM, the wiki has been written by members of
> these lists for the benefit of other members so it is  easily understood
> and will explain the subject much more comprehensively that an e mail
> response will.
>
> 2) It's preferable IMHO,  to use rpms built for Mandrake, they should
> install without problem but some non-Mandrake rpms will also give you no
> trouble. If you do need non-Mandrake rpms, make sure you download them from
> trusted sources, save them wherever you like, I made/use a directory
> called, imaginatively, downloads for this purpose, when you've got them
> click on them, you will be asked for the root password and they will
> install, if they need (depend) on other packages that are not installed you
> will be told, so them grab any dependent packages that it asks for, install
> them and go back to the package you first started with and try again.
>
> Observant readers will note that I haven't mentioned installing from
> source, the reason for this is that, again IMHO, for a newbie it can be
> daunting, when you are familiar with Linux come and ask us about it, if you
> need to that is, you will probably do a little reading and figure it out
> for yourself.
>
> As a general note, google is very much your friend in most Linux matters,
> go to http://www.google.com/linux, type in the keyword you are looking for
> and you will usually find pages of information - try it for example by
> putting install software in the search box - you'll be reading for weeks
> :-))
>
> Have fun
>
> John


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Re: [newbie] dwnloads

2005-01-22 Thread Anne Wilson
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I see that John has pointed you to UsingUrpmi.  That is the command-line 
interface for Software Installer.  They do the same thing, so it's completely 
a matter of choice whether you prefer the command line or the GUI.

His comment did remind me, though, to point you to other pages in the 
Community TWiki (which is where you will find UsingUrpmi), and particularly 
to look at the Index for the beginner section.  You should get a lot of help 
from that.  Also, weekly (Sundays I think) Eric puts out a welcome letter.  
Read it - there are some good tips in there.

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Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-22 Thread JR
On Saturday 22 January 2005 12:33 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 03:02, JR wrote:
> > My landlady gave me her laptop for the weekend to setup for her. It's 2.8
> > Ghz but runs slower than my 800Mhz machine - I'm assuming it's all the
> > virus scanners, adware removal daemons and so on.
> >
> > I'm thinking of installing mdk10.1 on it and getting everything working,
> > but she knows nothing about computers at all and I dont have time to
> > teach her - so my questions really are
>
> 
>
> I've been reading the thread with interest.  I agree with most posters that
> there is little technical problem.  People who are not M$-addicted can take
> to Mandrake with little problem.  I do feel quite strongly, though, that
> there is an ethical problem.  I would not under any circumstances install
> Linux without the permission of the owner.  Forgive me if I have
> misunderstood you, but I got the impression that you were thinking of doing
> that.
>
> Anne

Hi Anne,

She basically wants me to do whatever make life easiest for her. She has seen 
linux on my laptop and when she turned on her new pc, she had applications 
screaming at her like ferral children, asking for her to register this and 
update that...

I've tried to explain Linux vs Windows to her, but it's meaningless to her. I 
actually think she would find Mandrake easier to use, but when you have to 
consider interoperation with Windows users - I'm not really sure what to do.

At the moment, I've installed firefox / tbird and I've set them as the 
defaults. I've also installed openofffice and done the same.

If I do put linux on, it will be a boot option. I will put an icon on her 
linux desktop to "make windows default next time" just in case.

I'm still pondering though.

Thanks for the input, I appreciate it,

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Re: [newbie] dwnloads

2005-01-22 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 17:39, Paul wrote:
> Op Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:12:49 + schreef dave needham:
> >hi all,hopeing some one can help me please.im a new user to linux
> >migrating  from winxp and i will not be going back.im using the
> >official mandrake linux  10.0. i need to learn the best way to dwnload
> >soft ware to my pc.i mean where  is the easiest place on the pc to put
> >them and i also whant to learn how to  extract them to a directory and
> >be able to get them to work. this should keep  some one buisy to
> >explain. thanks to all that helps
>
> Not sure what 'the best way' is, but when I download tar.gz etc files I
> just stick them in $HOME/download which I made for that. Then I untar
> the files (tar xfzv for tar.gz-files and tar xfiv for .bz2-files),
> change to the directory that is made and run
>
> ./configure (and hope all libs are present ;-)
> ./make
> su (enter root password when prompted)
> make
> exit (back to user-shell)
>
> $HOME/download is also the place that I put downloaded RPM's in. They
> are installable from just about anywhere. Just remember to become root
> (run the su-command) before you attempt to install an RPM-file.
>
I'm not disagreeing with any of this, except to say that it is not necessary 
for most things.  RPMs prepared for Mandrake are a better way where they are 
available.  Where they aren't, then the above instructions should help.

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Re: [newbie] dwnloads

2005-01-22 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 17:12, dave needham wrote:
> hi all,

Hi, Dave, and welcome.
> hopeing some one can help me please.im a new user to linux migrating 
> from winxp and i will not be going back. im using the official mandrake 
> linux 10.0. 

To some extent the answer we give will depend on whether you have broadband 
access.  If you have, you can have the latest versions of everything 
available from the Internet.  If you haven't you are probably better off 
sticking with the applications as they come on your disks, and just 
downloading the updates for them.

> i need to learn the best way to dwnload soft ware to my pc.

The first thing to remember is that lots of security fixes have been made 
since the disks were prepared, so you must get an update source set up.  If 
you use Mandrake Control Center > Software Management > Updates, the first 
time you use it, it will help you set up a source, which it will use every 
time after that.  I'd recommend that you check there at least once a week.  
It will only recommend things that update the applications you have 
installed.

> i  
> mean where is the easiest place on the pc to put them and i also whant to
> learn how to extract them to a directory and be able to get them to work.
> this should keep some one buisy to explain.

Again, if you have broadband
Go to easyurpmi.zarb.org and set up a source from each of the sections there.  
It will then give you a command that can be pasted in to a root console, and 
everything will be taken care of for you.   After that, carry on as follows -

If you don't have broadband, you may still wish to have a plf source as 
described above (they offer some applications that MandrakeSoft can't offer 
for legal or licensing reasons), but otherwise you will mainly stick to 
what's on your CDs.

As for where to put them and how to get them going, use Mandrake Control 
Center > Software Installer > Install and it will take care of all that for 
you.  Fairly high up on that screen, on the right-hand-side there is a radio 
button for Maximum Information.  Select that, and you will see a lot of 
information about what packages do.

That should be enough to get you started, but come back with any questions.  
Enjoy!

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Re: [newbie] dwnloads

2005-01-22 Thread john
On Saturday 22 January 2005 17:12, dave needham wrote:
> hi all,hopeing some one can help me please.im a new user to linux migrating
> from winxp and i will not be going back.im using the official mandrake
> linux 10.0. i need to learn the best way to dwnload soft ware to my pc.i
> mean where is the easiest place on the pc to put them and i also whant to
> learn how to extract them to a directory and be able to get them to work.
> this should keep some one buisy to explain.
> thanks to all that helps
> dave.

Welcome to Mandrake !
Nope, not going to be busy :-)) .it's pretty well already been done for 
you - depends really what sort of software you are wanting. 

Mandrake uses the rpm format for packages, and there are 2 ways of getting 
these packages which are self-extracting/installing.
1) If it's on a Mandrake mirror urpmi will download it and install it for you
urpmi being Mandrake's package installer, have a look here for an in depth 
explanation :-
 http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi
no, I'm not telling you to RTFM, the wiki has been written by members of these 
lists for the benefit of other members so it is  easily understood and will 
explain the subject much more comprehensively that an e mail response will.

2) It's preferable IMHO,  to use rpms built for Mandrake, they should install 
without problem but some non-Mandrake rpms will also give you no trouble.
If you do need non-Mandrake rpms, make sure you download them from trusted 
sources, save them wherever you like, I made/use a directory called, 
imaginatively, downloads for this purpose, when you've got them click on 
them, you will be asked for the root password and they will install, if they 
need (depend) on other packages that are not installed you will be told, so 
them grab any dependent packages that it asks for, install them and go back 
to the package you first started with and try again.

Observant readers will note that I haven't mentioned installing from source, 
the reason for this is that, again IMHO, for a newbie it can be daunting, 
when you are familiar with Linux come and ask us about it, if you need to 
that is, you will probably do a little reading and figure it out for 
yourself. 

As a general note, google is very much your friend in most Linux matters,
go to http://www.google.com/linux, type in the keyword you are looking for and 
you will usually find pages of information - try it for example by putting 
install software in the search box - you'll be reading for weeks :-))

Have fun

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Re: [newbie] dwnloads

2005-01-22 Thread Dave Ashmore
dave needham wrote:
hi all,hopeing some one can help me please.im a new user to linux migrating 
from winxp and i will not be going back.im using the official mandrake linux 
10.0. i need to learn the best way to dwnload soft ware to my pc.i mean where 
is the easiest place on the pc to put them and i also whant to learn how to 
extract them to a directory and be able to get them to work. this should keep 
some one buisy to explain.
thanks to all that helps
dave.

 

Assuming you have broadband.
Well start here: http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/
Do what is says as root in Konsole.
Start (star button)>System>Terminals>Konsole
Type:
su
to become root it will prompt you for your root password.
Once thats done you can at the konsole paste the commands from the url.
urpmi.removemedia -a
This will remove all your cds. Not reccomended if you don't have broadband.
Or in the Mandrake control center (as noted below) select sofware> Media 
manager. Unselect to disable the cd's
Then you can selet the software repostiories from the url above and 
paste the commands from it to add the online repositories.
Then you will not be prompted for cd's it will download and install.
So become root in Konsole and type:
urpmi mozilla-firefox
That will install firefox.
Or in a nice gui go to the Start (star 
button)>System>configuration>configure your computer
Then select software management> install.
Do some searches by group file or whatever.
Hope you enjoy Mandrake. Welcome to Linux!

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Re: [newbie] dwnloads

2005-01-22 Thread Paul
Op Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:12:49 + schreef dave needham:

>hi all,hopeing some one can help me please.im a new user to linux
>migrating  from winxp and i will not be going back.im using the
>official mandrake linux  10.0. i need to learn the best way to dwnload
>soft ware to my pc.i mean where  is the easiest place on the pc to put
>them and i also whant to learn how to  extract them to a directory and
>be able to get them to work. this should keep  some one buisy to
>explain. thanks to all that helps

Not sure what 'the best way' is, but when I download tar.gz etc files I
just stick them in $HOME/download which I made for that. Then I untar
the files (tar xfzv for tar.gz-files and tar xfiv for .bz2-files),
change to the directory that is made and run

./configure (and hope all libs are present ;-)
./make
su (enter root password when prompted)
make
exit (back to user-shell)

$HOME/download is also the place that I put downloaded RPM's in. They
are installable from just about anywhere. Just remember to become root
(run the su-command) before you attempt to install an RPM-file.

Hope this helps a bit.
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Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-22 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 03:02, JR wrote:
> My landlady gave me her laptop for the weekend to setup for her. It's 2.8
> Ghz but runs slower than my 800Mhz machine - I'm assuming it's all the
> virus scanners, adware removal daemons and so on.
>
> I'm thinking of installing mdk10.1 on it and getting everything working,
> but she knows nothing about computers at all and I dont have time to teach
> her - so my questions really are
>


I've been reading the thread with interest.  I agree with most posters that 
there is little technical problem.  People who are not M$-addicted can take 
to Mandrake with little problem.  I do feel quite strongly, though, that 
there is an ethical problem.  I would not under any circumstances install 
Linux without the permission of the owner.  Forgive me if I have 
misunderstood you, but I got the impression that you were thinking of doing 
that.

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[newbie] dwnloads

2005-01-22 Thread dave needham
hi all,hopeing some one can help me please.im a new user to linux migrating 
from winxp and i will not be going back.im using the official mandrake linux 
10.0. i need to learn the best way to dwnload soft ware to my pc.i mean where 
is the easiest place on the pc to put them and i also whant to learn how to 
extract them to a directory and be able to get them to work. this should keep 
some one buisy to explain.
thanks to all that helps
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Lanman
Julie Sloan wrote:
I came to the same conclusion after sleeping on it.  Thankfully K3b 
still works!

Ouch! You slept on your hard drive? Didn't that hurt? Grin!

thanks,
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[newbie] Mandrake and Tungsten T5

2005-01-22 Thread Jason Riker
Hello All,

Has anyone been able to sync a Tungsten under Mandrake?  If so, which
model and can you provide the steps you took to get it working?

Thank you.

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Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-22 Thread Angus Auld

- Original Message -
From: JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com
Subject: Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:28:46 -0500

> 
> On Saturday 22 January 2005 11:15 am, Angus Auld wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> > From: JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com
> > Subject: Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)
> > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:42:12 -0500
> >
> > > On Saturday 22 January 2005 09:38 am, Duncan Anderson wrote:
> > > > There should be no problem. The lady in question is a "computer
> > > > newbie". She will most likely want to use email and word-processing
> > > > initially, so there should be absolutely no issue, since all such
> > > > programs are standard on Mandrake at no extra charge.
> > > >
> > > > Most importantly, she will not have to bother with the time-wasting and
> > > > expensive activities which surround Windows in its capacity of virus
> > > > magnet. How any newbie copes with the whole vicious circle of
> > > > infection, re-installation, protection, updates, etc., defeats me.
> > >
> > > I agree here whole heartedly. I dont know how to teach her about updates,
> > > when to turn on and off autoprotect etc.
> > >
> > > > I have installed Mandrake on several senior citizens' computers and
> > > > generally a bit of help is required every now and then, but it is
> > > > normally sorted out over the phone, or for a few minutes, accompanied
> > > > by a cup of tea and a chat.
> > > >
> > > > There is also no problem getting Mandrake to see wireless networks. We
> > > > don't have such luxuries where I live, but when I was in Europe on
> > > > holiday, I had no trouble connecting to the hotels' access points with
> > > > Mandrake 10.1beta2 (at the time, August last year). I was using an
> > > > Orinoco PCMCIA card. Unfortunately the ADSL infrastructure does not
> > > > exist yet in our beautiful seaside village. I believe it is due in
> > > > 2006.
> > > >
> > > > cheers
> > > > Duncan
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > I think what I'll do is make her windows environment as linux-like as
> > > possiblel firefox, thunderbird and so forth. Then I'll install linux (she
> > > has plenty of disk space) and show her how easy it is. She will always
> > > have the choice - but she will surely find linux easier. I dread going
> > > near her laptop with windows on it and it's brand new! What a shame.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jarlath
> >
> > 
> > As far as wireless goes, it definitely depends on what sort of wireless nic
> > you have. I have a Dell Inspiron with a Broadcom wireless card, and I came
> > just sort of smashing it to bits out of utter and complete frustration
> > trying to get that thing to connect under Mandrake 10.1. 8>| The Broadcom
> > ethernet card on the other hand, was a snap to set up. I tried both
> > "ndiswrapper" and Linuxants "driverloader" with the wireless.no joy in
> > Mudville at all.
> >
> > I agree with your decisions to use as few MS programs as possible, and to
> > set her up a dual-boot. Dual-booting is what I had to settle with, and now
> > I can go wireless if need be, albeit with MS, and I can stick with my
> > beloved Mandrake most of the time by plugging in to the internet. My
> > decision to buy this Dell, with it's linux un-friendly Broadcom wireless
> > card, is just one of those little learning experiences that comes along
> > once in a while. ;-) "Too soon old and too late smart" comes to mind.
> >
> > Best regards to you.
> > --Angus
> Thanks Angus,
> I managed to get my USR wireless pcmcia card working fine on a dell I4000.
> Linuxant.com allow you to upload the windows driver on your CD, and in return
> they give you a linux driver - if they have it.
> 
> Finally, configuration was a nightmare at first, but this guy sorted out
> everything in a few posts.
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=260990&highlight=final+step+wifi
> 
> Regards,
> Jarlath

Thanks right back at you for posting that link. ;-)
When I get my courage up, I will probably try the wireless thing under linux 
again.

Regards.

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Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting

2005-01-22 Thread JR
On Saturday 22 January 2005 11:24 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> On Saturday 22 January 2005 22:00, JR wrote:
> > I downloaded OOo 2.0 beta, and it works fine for me. Thanks to
> > all who helped.
> >
> > Jarlath
>
> Out of curiosity :  did you compile it yourself or install a rpm ?
> As far as I can see, there's only rpms for RedHat ?
>
> Kaj Haulrich.
I used the rpms. They work fine on mdk10.1

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Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-22 Thread JR
On Saturday 22 January 2005 11:05 am, Rick Kunath wrote:
> On Saturday 22 January 2005 03:42 pm, JR wrote:
> > I think what I'll do is make her windows environment as linux-like as
> > possiblel firefox, thunderbird and so forth. Then I'll install linux (she
> > has plenty of disk space) and show her how easy it is. She will always
> > have the choice - but she will surely find linux easier. I dread going
> > near her laptop with windows on it and it's brand new! What a shame.
>
> Coming in at the end of this thread, some of this may have been commented
> on earlier...
>
> I did exactly as you did with my wife's laptop. In Windows I installed
> Firefox with a bunch of excellent extensions , and Thunderbird. After I
> described some of the extensions and let her experiment with how much
> better browsing is with Firefox, it became the browser of choice. 
> Thunderbird does email nicely, and the switch was painless.
>
> I've a bunch of machines here that dual-boot, so I began having her walk
> through the Windows update procedures on them while I watched. The idea was
> to get her familiar with the pain that updating Windows is.
>
> Once she became familiar with the browsing and email programs on Windows, I
> had her boot into Mandrake and begin using the programs there. I did show
> her Kmail, which she prefers to T-Bird. Once she got over the double-click
> madness of Windows and learned how to single-click, everything went
> smoothly. All of my machines run so much faster under Mandrake than they do
> under Windows with all of the protection apps running, that it was really
> noticable to her.
>
> A bit later I showed her how to update Mandrake using MCC, and she never
> fails to comment at how easy keeping her machine up to date is. (I go over
> the updates usually yet on one of the machines, but she happily offers to
> update the other Mandrake machines, and does a fine job.) Soon, she'll be
> on her own.
>
> I've used a few wireless cards under 10.0 and 10.1 and earlier releases.
> Orinoco and Avaya cards (all cards 802.11b) worked fine, as did Prism 2.5
> cards and IBM's mini-PCI based Prism cards. I haven't done anything with g
> yet.
>
> I don't know if anyone mentioned yet, but Mandrake has Mandrake Move
> available, a CD-ROM based distro that runs without installing anything on
> the computer,  and one of the versions will support a USB memory stick, so
> your values , passwords, and configuration can be saved across boots. You
> could experiment with Linux without installing it, if all of your hardware
> is supported under the limited set of supported hardware of Move. It isn't
> as sweet as a real install, but it is non-intrusive.
>
> I've used lilo as a boot loader for years without issues on my dual-boot
> machines here.
>
> One thing you may want to look at is getting a recovery disk set for the
> new laptop. That way, should something go wrong, at least you'll be able to
> restore the original setup. I always get them for machines I have, and had
> to use them but once, for a non-Linux related issue.
>
>  Rick Kunath

Thanks for that Rick,

The main thing stopping me now is the fact that it is quite difficult to 
intergrate Firefox with KDE. I'm still having konqueror come up as default at 
times and I've tried using the script suggested on various sites, but they 
dont work properly for some reason.

I can script a little and program a lot so I'm not computer illiterate - I 
feel this is a genuine stumbling block.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Friday 21 January 2005 04:13 pm, Julie Sloan wrote:
To satisfy dependencies, the following 556 packages are going
to be installed (1088 MB):
I am on dialup.  22Mb takes an hour and a half.  Do I need 1088
additional Mb??
   It's not 1088 'additional' mb. MOF, it's not even 1088 mb's.   
1088 is the installed diskspace required, but since you're 
updating (replacing) packages, the the difference in disk space 
used is minimal.  Also, 1088 represents the uncompressed size of 
the packages. Since the rpm's are compressed, your d/l would be 
roughly 40% of 1088, or 400 to 450 mb's.
Aha, okay. My patient partner sat by while I tied up the phone line for 
about 90Mb yesterday

That's still way too much for dialup.  
Yes it is.  :)
If /home's not on a separate partition now, and you 
have enough diskspace on a storage partition, just copy your 
entire /home directory to that partition.  Then copy it back in 
after a re-install of 10.0, overwriting the install /home.  This 
probly isn't practically feasible if your storage area is any 
type of Windoze file system.  It's possible, but much more 
complicated.
 
I copied /home to a CD, will reinstall 10.0, and hopefully during the 
reinstall will set up a storage partition or two.  I'm dualbooting WinXP 
and Mandrake; have the Win on the original harddrive and Mandrake on its 
own, separate, hd.  I can "see" into windoze from Mandrake but cannot 
write to it.

thanks,
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 12:41, Lanman wrote:
Don't forget to save your ".Mail" folder as well as your std.vcf file,
documents and any other media or data you'd like to save. If you need
help setting up a second hard drive on this PC, just holler back to the
list or to me "off-list". In that case, any relevant info concerning
your hard drive(s), the partitions and their sizes and names (a.k.a.
"mount-points"), would be very helpful.
Just a small addition - if you have mail from an older release (and I think 
that includes 10.0) you may have both a Mail folder and a .Mail folder.  Mail 
used to be stored in Mail, but for some reason Mandrake's packagers decided 
to change that to .Mail.  If that's so and you have any mail since the 10.1 
debacle, you will probably need to save both of them.

Anne

No, since the debacle I've been using MozillaMail.  I have a little 
stored in XimianEvolution I'd like to back up also, and oops, guess I 
ought to be leaving messages on the server now...

thanks,
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Lanman wrote:
Julie; Margot asked me to drop in and lend a hand if possible. I've had 
a quick look at the thread in order to catch up. If I understand things 
clearly, you were trying to do a 10.0 update, but accidentally did an 
update using 10.1 sources and now several things are broken.
Hi Lanman; yes, that's it in a nutshell.
If you're trying to salvage your address book, then Anne is 100% right 
got it, salvaged it  :)
In the meantime, you might want to seriously consider Stephen's advice 
Gonna start from scratch.  I've burned just about all of ~/ onto a CD 
and should probably wait a day before I reinstall, to see if I think of 
anything else I need to save, besides the mailboxes and addressbooks...

As far as the urpmi sources are concerned, try starting with "main, 
updates, plf and contrib sources, skipping the "jpackage" source for the 
time being.
ok
Hope that helps. I'll be around all day if you need help and it looks 
like you and I are in the same timezone (Eastern), so that should make 
it a bit easier.
it does; thanks a lot.
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Margot wrote:
Julie,
I suggest you start new threads for each new problem you encounter - I 
can't help with Kmail addressbook as I've never used Kmail, and I don't 
even use KDE - but if you start a thread marked "lost Kmail addressbook" 
I'm sure that someone here will be able to help you find it.


LOL it seems almost too late to do that now, but I will definitely keep 
this in mind in the future.

thanks Margot,
Julie

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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 22 Jan 2005 04:35, Julie Sloan wrote:
There should be a text file with that info in your
~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/addressbook or something like that I don't
use kmail. Open it in a terminal and you should have your info.
thank you Mike, but no, no addrbook in that directory, or any nearby.
Found all my mail in ~/.Mail, and "recently used" addresses
somewhere...?but no main addressbook.
The folder is called kabc and the file is probably std.vcf
Anne

Hi Anne,
 ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc
That's it; thank you!!!
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Re: [newbie] urpmi update, kdebase problems

2005-01-22 Thread Julie Sloan
Stephen Kühn wrote:
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 15:38, Julie Sloan wrote:

when I run rpmdrake I get this:


IF it were me, at this stage, I would backup what I could, and format
the HD and start fresh.

I came to the same conclusion after sleeping on it.  Thankfully K3b 
still works!

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Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-22 Thread JR
On Saturday 22 January 2005 11:15 am, Angus Auld wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:42:12 -0500
>
> > On Saturday 22 January 2005 09:38 am, Duncan Anderson wrote:
> > > There should be no problem. The lady in question is a "computer
> > > newbie". She will most likely want to use email and word-processing
> > > initially, so there should be absolutely no issue, since all such
> > > programs are standard on Mandrake at no extra charge.
> > >
> > > Most importantly, she will not have to bother with the time-wasting and
> > > expensive activities which surround Windows in its capacity of virus
> > > magnet. How any newbie copes with the whole vicious circle of
> > > infection, re-installation, protection, updates, etc., defeats me.
> >
> > I agree here whole heartedly. I dont know how to teach her about updates,
> > when to turn on and off autoprotect etc.
> >
> > > I have installed Mandrake on several senior citizens' computers and
> > > generally a bit of help is required every now and then, but it is
> > > normally sorted out over the phone, or for a few minutes, accompanied
> > > by a cup of tea and a chat.
> > >
> > > There is also no problem getting Mandrake to see wireless networks. We
> > > don't have such luxuries where I live, but when I was in Europe on
> > > holiday, I had no trouble connecting to the hotels' access points with
> > > Mandrake 10.1beta2 (at the time, August last year). I was using an
> > > Orinoco PCMCIA card. Unfortunately the ADSL infrastructure does not
> > > exist yet in our beautiful seaside village. I believe it is due in
> > > 2006.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > Duncan
> >
> > 
> >
> > I think what I'll do is make her windows environment as linux-like as
> > possiblel firefox, thunderbird and so forth. Then I'll install linux (she
> > has plenty of disk space) and show her how easy it is. She will always
> > have the choice - but she will surely find linux easier. I dread going
> > near her laptop with windows on it and it's brand new! What a shame.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jarlath
>
> 
> As far as wireless goes, it definitely depends on what sort of wireless nic
> you have. I have a Dell Inspiron with a Broadcom wireless card, and I came
> just sort of smashing it to bits out of utter and complete frustration
> trying to get that thing to connect under Mandrake 10.1. 8>| The Broadcom
> ethernet card on the other hand, was a snap to set up. I tried both
> "ndiswrapper" and Linuxants "driverloader" with the wireless.no joy in
> Mudville at all.
>
> I agree with your decisions to use as few MS programs as possible, and to
> set her up a dual-boot. Dual-booting is what I had to settle with, and now
> I can go wireless if need be, albeit with MS, and I can stick with my
> beloved Mandrake most of the time by plugging in to the internet. My
> decision to buy this Dell, with it's linux un-friendly Broadcom wireless
> card, is just one of those little learning experiences that comes along
> once in a while. ;-) "Too soon old and too late smart" comes to mind.
>
> Best regards to you.
> --Angus
Thanks Angus,
I managed to get my USR wireless pcmcia card working fine on a dell I4000. 
Linuxant.com allow you to upload the windows driver on your CD, and in return 
they give you a linux driver - if they have it.

Finally, configuration was a nightmare at first, but this guy sorted out 
everything in a few posts.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=260990&highlight=final+step+wifi

Regards,
Jarlath

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Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting

2005-01-22 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Saturday 22 January 2005 22:00, JR wrote:
> I downloaded OOo 2.0 beta, and it works fine for me. Thanks to
> all who helped.
>
> Jarlath

Out of curiosity :  did you compile it yourself or install a rpm ?
As far as I can see, there's only rpms for RedHat ?

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Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-22 Thread Angus Auld

- Original Message -
From: JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com
Subject: Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:42:12 -0500

> 
> On Saturday 22 January 2005 09:38 am, Duncan Anderson wrote:
> > There should be no problem. The lady in question is a "computer newbie".
> > She will most likely want to use email and word-processing initially, so
> > there should be absolutely no issue, since all such programs are
> > standard on Mandrake at no extra charge.
> >
> > Most importantly, she will not have to bother with the time-wasting and
> > expensive activities which surround Windows in its capacity of virus
> > magnet. How any newbie copes with the whole vicious circle of infection,
> > re-installation, protection, updates, etc., defeats me.
> I agree here whole heartedly. I dont know how to teach her about updates, when
> to turn on and off autoprotect etc.
> >
> > I have installed Mandrake on several senior citizens' computers and
> > generally a bit of help is required every now and then, but it is
> > normally sorted out over the phone, or for a few minutes, accompanied by
> > a cup of tea and a chat.
> >
> > There is also no problem getting Mandrake to see wireless networks. We
> > don't have such luxuries where I live, but when I was in Europe on
> > holiday, I had no trouble connecting to the hotels' access points with
> > Mandrake 10.1beta2 (at the time, August last year). I was using an
> > Orinoco PCMCIA card. Unfortunately the ADSL infrastructure does not
> > exist yet in our beautiful seaside village. I believe it is due in 2006.
> >
> > cheers
> > Duncan
> 
> 
> I think what I'll do is make her windows environment as linux-like as
> possiblel firefox, thunderbird and so forth. Then I'll install linux (she has
> plenty of disk space) and show her how easy it is. She will always have the
> choice - but she will surely find linux easier. I dread going near her laptop
> with windows on it and it's brand new! What a shame.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jarlath

As far as wireless goes, it definitely depends on what sort of wireless nic you 
have. I have a Dell Inspiron with a Broadcom wireless card, and I came just 
sort of smashing it to bits out of utter and complete frustration trying to get 
that thing to connect under Mandrake 10.1. 8>| 
The Broadcom ethernet card on the other hand, was a snap to set up. I tried 
both "ndiswrapper" and Linuxants "driverloader" with the wireless.no joy in 
Mudville at all.

I agree with your decisions to use as few MS programs as possible, and to set 
her up a dual-boot. Dual-booting is what I had to settle with, and now I can go 
wireless if need be, albeit with MS, and I can stick with my beloved Mandrake 
most of the time by plugging in to the internet.
My decision to buy this Dell, with it's linux un-friendly Broadcom wireless 
card, is just one of those little learning experiences that comes along once in 
a while. ;-)
"Too soon old and too late smart" comes to mind.

Best regards to you.
--Angus

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in awareness." -- James Thurber

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Re: [newbie] Playing god with friends new laptop (Moral question)

2005-01-22 Thread Rick Kunath
On Saturday 22 January 2005 03:42 pm, JR wrote:

>
> I think what I'll do is make her windows environment as linux-like as
> possiblel firefox, thunderbird and so forth. Then I'll install linux (she
> has plenty of disk space) and show her how easy it is. She will always have
> the choice - but she will surely find linux easier. I dread going near her
> laptop with windows on it and it's brand new! What a shame.
>


Coming in at the end of this thread, some of this may have been commented on 
earlier...

I did exactly as you did with my wife's laptop. In Windows I installed Firefox 
with a bunch of excellent extensions , and Thunderbird. After I described 
some of the extensions and let her experiment with how much better browsing 
is with Firefox, it became the browser of choice.  Thunderbird does email 
nicely, and the switch was painless.

I've a bunch of machines here that dual-boot, so I began having her walk 
through the Windows update procedures on them while I watched. The idea was 
to get her familiar with the pain that updating Windows is.

Once she became familiar with the browsing and email programs on Windows, I 
had her boot into Mandrake and begin using the programs there. I did show her 
Kmail, which she prefers to T-Bird. Once she got over the double-click 
madness of Windows and learned how to single-click, everything went smoothly. 
All of my machines run so much faster under Mandrake than they do under 
Windows with all of the protection apps running, that it was really noticable 
to her. 

A bit later I showed her how to update Mandrake using MCC, and she never fails 
to comment at how easy keeping her machine up to date is. (I go over the 
updates usually yet on one of the machines, but she happily offers to update 
the other Mandrake machines, and does a fine job.) Soon, she'll be on her 
own. 

I've used a few wireless cards under 10.0 and 10.1 and earlier releases. 
Orinoco and Avaya cards (all cards 802.11b) worked fine, as did Prism 2.5 
cards and IBM's mini-PCI based Prism cards. I haven't done anything with g 
yet.

I don't know if anyone mentioned yet, but Mandrake has Mandrake Move 
available, a CD-ROM based distro that runs without installing anything on the 
computer,  and one of the versions will support a USB memory stick, so your 
values , passwords, and configuration can be saved across boots. You could 
experiment with Linux without installing it, if all of your hardware is 
supported under the limited set of supported hardware of Move. It isn't as 
sweet as a real install, but it is non-intrusive.

I've used lilo as a boot loader for years without issues on my dual-boot 
machines here. 

One thing you may want to look at is getting a recovery disk set for the new 
laptop. That way, should something go wrong, at least you'll be able to 
restore the original setup. I always get them for machines I have, and had to 
use them but once, for a non-Linux related issue.

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Re: [newbie] openoffice segfaulting

2005-01-22 Thread JR
I downloaded OOo 2.0 beta, and it works fine for me. Thanks to all who helped.

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Re: [newbie] I just love it

2005-01-22 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Still doesn't work.  GR!  This is exactly what I see as the path to 
the file.
root
	mnt
		windows
 temp
	  scanModem.gz
  I tried in super user mode and logged on as root.  It still won't work. 
Maybe I should rename the file frustration.xxx:>)  I will probably have 
bought a new external modem before I get this thing to work.  I did 
remember to caps the m as in Modem.  The error is still no such file. Is 
it possible I need to add the linux equivalent to c:/?  If so, what is it? 
It seems to be the only thing missing from a dos equivalent of the same 
commands.

 

The reasion there is not equivelent to c:\ is that Linux uses one big 
file system. Drives are files. They can be mounted almost anyware. With 
Mandrake, C:\ is usualy mounted on /mnt/windows, but it doesn't have to be.

Now, your file should be, from the information you have given me, at
/mnt/windows/temp with a file name of scanModem.gz. I think the problem 
you are running into is that the file name is not exactly what you told 
us it was before. Under Linux, scanmodem.gz in NOT the same file as 
scanModem.gz. So, instead of using:

cp /mnt/windows/temp/scanmodem.gz scanmodem.gz
use
cp /mnt/windows/temp/scanModem.gz scanmodem.gz
The difference is the capital M in the file name. A small thing, but an 
important one. (Just like the difference between \ for DOS/Windows and / 
for Linux in path names, or the way : and ; are used. The funny part is 
that the UNIX usage is older, but people from the DOS/Windows world have 
to learn a "new" way of doing things...)

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