RE: [newbie] somebody disliking mandrake
Actually, I stay for steve's sigs ;) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Inhabitant of Zion > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 10:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] somebody disliking mandrake > > > I think the main reason I stick around is this list. Its just too > entertaining and interesting! So much so its addictive! ROTFLMAO! > > -- > John Willby > Registered Linux user number 321644 > ICQ: 92791912 > Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > YIM/AIM: vicarofwibley > Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. > 06:12:10 up 1 day, 19:47, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] somebody disliking mandrake
Well, I think the main reason I stick around is the comparative ease of use. -On the business side Some of the companies I deal with are a little skeptical of Linux. Fear of the unknown I suppose. Anyway, they are at least familiar with Red Hat. I tell them that Mdk is very much like RH only (imo) more user friendly. That has more than once, been the deciding factor in letting me bring a box in. I show them that even after I leave, they can continue to easily manage the box. That usually works for the execs. The techs are usually dying to try it out anyway, and it does make an excellent learning platform. This even worked for a company that already had RH. When I showed them the new box, they agreed that it was simpler and easier to use. (I'm not knocking any other distros at all.) -On the personal side I still consider changing now and then. I'm buying a new laptop soon and plan to make that slackware. But for my home/business server, Mdk just does the trick. My desktop is still W2K Pro, and will be till I find something better. (No flames please 1999-today and no blue screens or major issues) Brandon > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anarky > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 3:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] somebody disliking mandrake > > > Brandon Vanderberg wrote: > > > woow ... I really appreciate your experience & oppinion ... you've > obviously done lots of installs ... I've done a couple too .. but mostly > advertising linux to friends or stuff ... and none for companies or > stuff ... I'm wondering ... what features made you stick to mandrake & > not switch? > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] somebody disliking mandrake
Having installed Mandrake (v7-9.1) about 30-40 times on various boxes in both personal roles and for professional use - including high security roles, I would offer that my initial reactions to these issues were similar to those of your friend. I'd run into one or another of the issues mentioned below and get discouraged. Many times, I'd find myself on distrowatch and FreeBSD's site considering changing. But each time this happened, I thought I'd challenge myself to learn one more thing about mdk before switching. As an example, I became frustrated several times with the amount of 'stuff' that got installed w/ mdk. I experimented with minimal installs and spending literally hours researching and selecting only those packages in the install that I really needed. One of these attempts left me with a system that ran very well with only a P200, 48MB RAM, and a 6GB disk. But I found that adding new apps later required much more tweaking (and reading) to get running correctly than if I had just let mdk install them in the first place. Research and experimentation told me that doing a larger (though not full) install and then removing extra packages gave me the best results as far as functionality and easy of use/installation. RPM database corruption is another issue I've run across. As maddening as it is, it can be resolved. And the documentation on the security models could definitely be improved, especially at install, but it (and all the individual settings that make up each level) are so easy to customize afterward, that I don't see it as a major problem. Obviously, it's up to your friend/company to decide which distro is best and why. Best wishes, Brandon > 1. We're sick of RPM. We've hard RPM break on a few machines already (I > think the RPM database becomes corrupted if I remember correctly). > Needless to say, it's hard to upgrade your machine when your package > manager goes kaput. APT/debs are SO much easier to deal with anyway. > > 2. Too much crap! Literally, Mandrake has TOO MUCH crap these days. I > know Debian is hardly innocent, but the dependency train for whatever > reason seems to be much more palatable when using Debian as opposed to > Mandrake. Maybe it's all the package/package-dev combo packs that the > Mandrake/RedHat people like, I'm not entirely sure. It's just too much > honestly. Let me install mySQL and be done with it. > > 3. The big reason (for me personally), the Mandrake security model is > totally whack. Once upon a time, Mandrake used to just run a nightly > script which would email an audit of your system to the Administrator > letting you know what was wrong. That's all it did, and that was nice. > Now there's a set of different (horribly documented) security models > that have all sorts of (horribly documented) behavior. I don't mind the > security model idea, what I do mind is my system doing things for me > (such as changing file permissions) without being explicitly told when > and why this is going to happen. This has caused major problems for us > on a few occasions and it's simply unacceptable. Maybe we haven't looked > in the right place for the documentation, but I've tried to find it in > the past with little success. I should have to go reading scripts to > find this out. > > What I've found is that with Debian I have a much better idea what's > going on inside our systems. There are no surprises, things so far just > straight up work the way we expect them to. We're competent programmers > and system administrators, so this is great for us. If I were a newbie, > I would definitely still recommend Mandrake. Whatever the security > scripts are doing, it IS making the system more secure, but sometimes > you don't want that. > > If I wanted Mandrake to do one thing (short of switching to > .debs) to get me back on the Mandrake train: Please explain in > absolutely explicit detail the difference between your security modes. > You *HAVE* to do this during the install process as well. If I'm > rebuilding my firewall, for instance, I don't have the option to go out > to the internet to find out what these things mean. This is a very > important critical decision that should not be taken lightly. The only > way we can properly make that decision is if the knowlege is made > available to us when we need it most. > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Firewall Oddities
Take a look at the two-nic firewall sample config. It is substantially different from the one-nic config that many use. I bet you'll find the issue there. On a side note, the configs are very simple. Since I got familiar with them, I haven't gone back to the MCC for firewall management. HTH Brandon > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Terry Sheltra > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 7:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [newbie] Firewall Oddities > > > I'm having some interesting happenings using the Firewall utility in > MCC. I'm using a laptop that has both a wireless card, as well as a > wired NIC. My wireless works just fine until I try to turn on the > firewall. As soon as I do, the firewall effectively blocks all > connections with my wireless card. The only way I can access the > outside world with the firewall on is by connecting to a wired network. > Running "ifconfig" shows that my wireless card is "eth1" and my NIC is > "eth0". Any suggestions on what I can do to get the firewall to play > nicely with my wireless card? > > Thanks! > > Terry > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux saves MS's butt.
Stirred up a hornet's nest didn't I? ;) > > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:26:47 -0700 > "Brandon Vanderberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > Anyone dumb enough to leave a PC wide open with no protection, and got > > hit by this worm deserves it - Just as much as someone who runs linux > > with no security deserves to have their box owned. > > Operating systems, like any consumer product, *should* be useable by > anyone, and the security aspects should be relatively transparent, > requiring only that they receive due and proper notification of the need > to patch, as Mandrake does and Microsoft does not. OSs should be useable and they are. It's just not safe (wise) to connect them to the Internet without protection. As for notification, both Mdk and MS send patch updates. And both advise using some kind of firewall. > > > Bill Gates didn't make people idiots, God did. Hate the user, not the > > developer. > > I find it ironic that you act so arrogant (or in your terms "l33t") > about this issue, then blast (in your sig) other people for showing > thier pride in their ability to run a smooth/custom/useable machine. > > Sure, the uptime sig thing is maybe a bit superfluous, but take it easy > and save the trolling for the OT list. > > Next... Not arrogant and certainly not l33t (whatever it means). And taking a jab at Stephen's sig is not blasting you or anyone else. He can take it, so cowboy up. Troll on, troller. Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux saves MS's butt.
> On Sat, 2003-08-16 at 10:26, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: > > > > > Anyone dumb enough to leave a PC wide open with no protection, > and got hit > > by this worm deserves it - Just as much as someone who runs > linux with no > > security deserves to have their box owned. > > > > Bill Gates didn't make people idiots, God did. Hate the user, not the > > developer. > > > > Next... > > > > Brandon Vanderberg > > > > > > > > __ > Feel you're being a bit harsh here. > > Don't forget that the vast majority of computer users/car drivers/TV > watchers have no idea what goes on under the hood & only realise this > when things go wrong. Ms has been sold on it's ease of use - and people > have believed the salesmen (it's also been sold on greater security). > > By the time a lot of folks find out it's too late, and by that time all > sorts of behind the scenes activity has been going on. > > Remember the greats of the past: Ford Pinto, Firestone tyres, etc. etc.? > > Blame the developer. > > Paul M. > Yeah, Though I would agree that most do not understand what's going on under the hood, it's the decision not to protect their computer (whatever it's OS) that leaves them open to attacks. It doesn't take an advanced Computer Science degree or even formal computer training to know that systems which are regularly connected to the Internet should be protected - with a good firewall and regular software updates at a minimum. I've found (and firmly believe) that reinforcing this to users is far more productive than blaming the person that wrote the software. And no, I don't really hate users - just bad decisions like not using the tools and advice that are widely available. Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux saves MS's butt.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:22 PM To: Mandrake Newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux saves MS's butt. On Sat, 2003-08-16 at 08:44, Erylon Hines wrote: > Looks like that's whats been done. Any errors trying to access will have a > lot to do with DNS updates not showing up on our servers for 24 hours or so > (just guessing, but I've seen it before). > > However, their solution is pretty half-assed, and I can see all kinds of holes > in their thinking. The next dns worm that's aimed at them will be getting > its address from Google or somewhere similar, and not using the static > address like this one apparantly does. Also, I'm beginning to wonder if > there isn't more to this worm than the spin doctors would have us believe, > because the solution MS may be using seems kind of extreme. They've > sacrificed the update feature for hundreds of thousands of users, many of > whom are going to become infected in the next 24 hours. A fishy smell, > there. > This is a perfect example of a Microsoft fix. Avoid the REAL issue and > do something different. > > They're not fixing the initial problem, and they already know that > they're boxs can't stand the heat. They're taking the coward's way out. > > I don't think they're realising that they've just fsck'ed millions of > Windows users that don't have a clue about this bug or any of what's > been going on. > > I am just waiting to see what kind of press they're going to release to > make themselves look good again - I'm sure it will have heaps of spin in > it... > > -- > Sat Aug 16 15:15:00 EST 2003 > 15:15:00 up 12 days, 19:03, 3 users, load average: 1.52, 1.89, 2.26 > - > |____ | illawarra computer services| > | /-oo /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | > | .\__/ || | | || > | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn | > | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > - > linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH 9 > Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 > - > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > > Microsoft Mandatory Survey (#13) > > Customers who want to upgrade to Windows 98 Second Edition must now fill > out a Microsoft survey online before they can order the bugfix/upgrade. > > Question 13: Which of the following new Microsoft products do you plan on >buying within the next 6 months? > > A. Windows For Babies(tm) - Using an enhanced "click-n-drool" interface, >babies will be able to learn how to use a Wintel computer, giving them >a head start in living in a Microsoft-led world. > > B. Where In Redmond Is Carmen Sandiego?(tm) - The archvillian Sandiego has >stolen the Windows source code and must be stopped before she can >publish it on the Net. > > C. ActiveKeyboard 2000(tm) - An ergonomic keyboard that replaces useless >keys like SysRq and Scroll Lock with handy keys like "Play Solitaire" >and "Visit Microsoft.com". > > D. Visual BatchFile(tm) - An IDE and compiler for the MS-DOS batch file >language. MSNBC calls it "better than Perl". Anyone dumb enough to leave a PC wide open with no protection, and got hit by this worm deserves it - Just as much as someone who runs linux with no security deserves to have their box owned. Bill Gates didn't make people idiots, God did. Hate the user, not the developer. Next... Brandon Vanderberg www.clueless.m$killedmydoggy.andi'mgonnacry.whaaa.com Linux User #34.5 | Linux machine 123amicoolyet472notyet340now?987NO!needlongersig05789 Kernel 9.12.45customsupercoolAllYourThreadsAreBelongToUs Current load = WhoGivesAFlyingFock | Average Load = NoOneDoes Number of times aterm has been run since last reboot = 12,638 (cuz people wanna know that) My signature isn't long enough to make me l33t yet... This computer is %100 Microsoft tolerant. "I drive a 1971 Ford Truck. I can work on any part of it, so everybody driving anything else must suck. And the people that make those other cars are trying to take over the world and must be kill- ... er... sued." - B. Vanderberg (about 5 minutes ago) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Installing on a SCSI system
Same setup here. IDE CDROM and SCSI disks. Try getting into the SCSI BIOS. (With Adaptec, you'll see a Ctrl A prompt after your PC BIOS loads.) There, you should be able to find the option that makes it work. If it's not Adaptec, there should be something similar. HTH, ~Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Miark Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:55 AM To: Newbie Subject: [newbie] Installing on a SCSI system I have 8.2 on my gateway/firewall machine. I'd like 9.1 on there, but the damn thing won't boot to the CD. If I go into the SCSI bios and monkey with it that the drive is basically hidden, I can boot to CD; but because the hard drive is hidden, I can't install! The comp's bios is set to boot from CD first, but the SCSI always takes over. How do I exit this loop? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mdk 9.1- how to upgrade??
On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 19:05, Kou Shan Shan wrote: > Hi > > To be frank, it took me a few months to set up some of the "good stuff" > in my "three-month old" mdk 9.0, like Exceed XDMCP remote login, Samba, > hardware, network... etc. Basically I just finished making it a handy > workstation and started to enjoy it. Right now I am getting excited with > the new features and upgraded performance from the latest Mdk 9.1. But I > am really not sure - is there a way to upgrade without affecting all my > previous configuration? I am not a guru in linux, and I know I am going > to be mad if I have to go through the painstaking process again! :p > > I heard that by default mdk 9.1 installation does not change the > original /home directory. But how about things I mentioned above? Shall > I choose the option "upgrade" when installing? I really want to know - > how you experts upgrade? ( I am sure you have done much more than me on > your mdk 9.0!) > > Thanks, > Shan > Not an expert, but I have installed 9.1 over 9.0 twice as an upgrade (one yesterday, and one today) and twice as a fresh install (both today). I usually prefer to do a fresh install, leaving my /home partition intact, but upgrading didn't touch it during any of these installs. My settings were preserved for all applications. FWIW, the first install (work computer, upgrade 9.0 to 9.1) went well. The only issues were losing network settings, and having to run drakconf after the install to get X to start. (Screen resolution) Other than that, it's exactly like it was before, but with newer stuff. My home machine was another story. After one upgrade attempt and two fresh installs, I'm back to 9.0. Your /home should be safe, but I would (and did) back it up just in case. -- Brandon www.vanderberg.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT?, help convince my b/f running as root is bad!
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 13:16, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Monday 03 February 2003 06:49 am, civileme wrote: > > > rm -rf / > > > > when the cat launched from the floor to the desktop and > > planted a paw squarely on the "enter" key > > > > Well---to put it mildly, there was a disturbance on the > > system as all the files on the machine ALL went away. > > > > > > Civileme > > As far as I remember Civileme, so did the cat. Didn't you > have it for dinner ? > ARGH, cats! rm -rf /dev/kitty ;) ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Memoryleakage in 8.2?
I'm using XFCE on a 9.0 box, but have run it on 8.2 and never noticed any mem issues. It's always seemed very light. This machine only has 48MB RAM, so it has to be for me. Have you run 'top' and then sorted by mem usage? That'll tell ya what's sucking up the memory. ~Brandon http://www.vanderberg.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anders Lind Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Memoryleakage in 8.2? Hello friends, I am experiencing some problem with my Mandrake box at work, I am using XFCE. When I rebooted 1,5 hour ago it was about 80 MB free Memory and no swap used. This was after I have started Sylpheed only. Now 1,5 hour later I have started and closed KNode down, and now I have only 4 MB free and over 20 MB of swap in use. Could somebody tell me if there is a memoryleakage known in 8.2? I am on the verge on installing FreeBSD on this machine anyway, but this made the transitiondecision easier Best Regards, Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - Spam at it's greatest
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 14:50, Anne Wilson wrote: > I finally got it - the great Nigerian money-laundering scam email. I haven't > seen one of those since I got it by fax years ago, though I knew they were > still around. :) > > Anne Who'd you get? I have 2 from Dr. Uba Jega. I'd be willing to part with one if you've got something different. Mint condition! ;) http://www.quatloos.com/cm-niger/nigerian_scam_letter_museum.htm -- ~Brandon http://www.vanderberg.net Linux 2.4.19-16mdk - Love is being stupid together. -- Paul Valery signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] GNOME login quirk
> > I have tried E but i didnt like it too much. I have > browsed for alternatives and i like the look of > Fluxbox, its installed just not configured. I guess i > am just too darn picky. > > Rob If you like fluxbox, you might like waimea also. very purty, and very light. I use xfce, cuz i'm a cde dork. ;) -- ~Brandon http://www.vanderberg.net Linux 2.4.19-16mdk - Neutrinos have bad breadth. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] Wheel mouse in applications
On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 23:13, Rob Wideman wrote: > > So it's safe to assume that you've rerun > > "mousedrake" and all that jazz, > > right? > > I am using a MS Optical usb/ps2 mouse attached to an > Apex Outlook KVM when i installed MDK9. Once i got it > installe i used mousedrake and selected the "generic > ps2 wheel mouse" and clicked OK, after that anything > that i did with the mouse it would go to the upper > right corner and just start shaking. I changed the > config file for X11 and nogo. Any thoughts on how to > get the wheel working? > > Rob Same setup, had the same issue. Happens every time I install mdk. Press down on the wheel and then scroll a little. Might take a few times. If that doesn't do it (it should), hit ALT F7 and ALT F1. (or vice versa, can't remember) In any case, it will reinit your mouse and you should be good to go. -- ~Brandon http://www.vanderberg.net Linux 2.4.19-16mdk - The Universe is populated by stable things. -- Richard Dawkins signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] Evolution default browser
On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 21:50, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: > K, this has to be the most asked (and answered) question about > Evolution. > > I click on a link in an email and it opens Mozilla. I'd rather it open a > new tab in Galeon. > I've read about 312 messages I found in Google and have gone in to Gnome > Control Center to change my preferred applications to galeon, galeon %s, > and a few other browsers just to test. In each case I closed the control > center and restarted Evo, just in case. No success with any of these > settings. Any ideas? > > I'm using: > Evo 1.0.8 > Gnome Control Center 2.0.1.1 Wouldn't you know it? Number 313 had it. Anyway for anyone interested... Edit ~/.gnome/Gnome change default-show=gnome-moz-remote --newwin "%s" to default-show=galeon -w "%s" -- ~Brandon http://www.vanderberg.net Linux 2.4.19-16mdk - NOTICE: -- THE ELEVATORS WILL BE OUT OF ORDER TODAY -- (The nearest working elevator is in the building across the street.) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] Time Setting in KDE
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 15:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 18:27, Adolfo Bello wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 11:28, Rich wrote: you can change time settings in mcc. -- ~Brandon http://www.vanderberg.net Linux 2.4.19-16mdk - "I'd love to go out with you, but I have to stay home and see if I snore." signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] Sharing bandwidth
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 15:11, Dennis Myers wrote: > I was downloading the update rpms today and my wife complained about how slow > her surfing was. We share a cable connection through a scratch built firewall > machine running IPcop. Here's the newbie question, what do I need to do to > make the system share equally the moderate bandwidth that we have? Am I going > to have to get a router? Or, is there a handy dandy way to do it with linux? > I've been googling linux and not finding much, probably using the wrong > search terms. Any and all advice is appreciated. > -- > Dennis M. linux user # 180842 That would be tough to dynamically balance bandwidth between two systems without some type of extra device. What you can do tho, is throttle your bandwidth. Check out larc.org. -- ~Brandon http://www.vanderberg.net Linux 2.4.19-16mdk - "I'd love to go out with you, but I have to stay home and see if I snore." signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] Evolution
It is. There are a couple of ways to do it depending on your setup. The cleanest way I've found is to install Mozilla on Windows and have it import everything. Then copy that stuff to a Linux readable part. and import to Evo. There are also some apps written that'll do the same thing. Outport is one I know of. A google search should get you going. ~Brandon On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 12:58, George Baker wrote: > I've just installed MDK 8.2 and was really pleased to find Evolution. Is it > possible to import Outlook 2000 info into Evolution. > > George Baker > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Tel: 073 3172714 > > Belief like any other moving body follows the path of least resistance. > -Samuel Butler, poet (1612-1680) > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ~Brandon http://www.vanderberg.net Linux 2.4.19-16mdk - "I'd love to go out with you, but I have to stay home and see if I snore." signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] Its official.... :-(
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 02:27, Vahur Lokk wrote: > On Thursday 16 January 2003 12:14, you wrote: > > > Getting rid of those debts is crucial - make no mistake about it - and > > cannot therefore be seen as a waste of our money. > > > Sure but if Bens financial info is correct, there is no way to do it in few > next years. Saving the company is going to hurt distro meanwhile. It already > does. 4 million euros, yikes. That's over 33,000 silver memberships or 57,000 power packs (from their site). I think Ben's got a good point. I'd like to see them isolate the distro from the company in some way. Otherwise, we'll have to have a big giant bake sale. We could make like little penguin and star cookies and stuff. ;) ~Brandon signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] [OT] Mandrake Financial Problems
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 07:28, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 07:52, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: > > But, obviously, HTML should be avoided. > > > > Yes, and I want to download 9.1 with Xmodem. Anybody got mandrake's > > modem number? > > > > I generally take this in the light spirit that it was posted in. Glad to hear it. ;) But > too I think it needs to be understood that on mailing lists and also > quite a few newsgroups HTML is strictly banned. Agreed. And since those are the only important sources of email, we're all safe in here. I think this is just > common courtesy, not only for bandwidth reasons, but also because there > are quite a few people out there who read their mail without having a > feature that strips html out of the text. Absolutely, who would expect an email client to include the same functionality of something like Lynx. That thing's just a big bandwidth-sucking pig. Evolution allows me to read > html messages, but the way they are formatted and presented is quite > annoying. Straight text is much friendlier. Yeah I use Evolution too. I wish I could find an OS and email client that would let me tailor my experience to suit my needs. Then I could ...oooh. look at that. ;) ~Brandon Registered Omish Linux User 01 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] [OT] Mandrake Financial Problems
But, obviously, HTML should be avoided. Yes, and I want to download 9.1 with Xmodem. Anybody got mandrake's modem number? Support your local bulletin board, shun the Internet with it's new fangled formats and protocols. We got as far as we need to go in 1986. Who needs java, mp3, or avi. We have a dancing ASCII cursor! I swear, we should just move this list to FIDO. I think I still have a copy of WildCat! BBS lying around here somewhere. Then we can be done with all this new fangled mumbo-jumbo. TradeWars 2002 anyone? ;) ~Brandon signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] why china likes linux
I had the same issue. My policy drops unwanted traffic already, but it notifies me every time it does. This is what I want normally. However, there's SO much coming from Asia, I've added the following rules. This way, drops from addresses issued from APNIC never show up in my log. DROP net:61.0.0.0/8 fw tcp - - DROP net:202.0.0.0/7 fw tcp - - DROP net:210.0.0.0/7 fw tcp - - DROP net:218.0.0.0/7 fw tcp - - DROP net:220.0.0.0/7 fw tcp - - DROP net:169.208.0.0/12 fw tcp - - ~Brandon On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 18:09, Mark Weaver wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 15 January 2003 12:29 am, Robin Turner scribbled incoherently: > > Richard Babcock wrote: > > > Interesting article in my local paper. > > > > > > > > > http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/3582809.html > > > > Looks like we got our user base! > > > > Sir Robin > > That would certainly explain all the crack attempts at my system over the last > few months. Hell! I don't even bother going to the whois query servers any > more I've become so familiar with the IP addy's that are showing up in my log > files. I just write the owner of the netblock and tell'em to put those dogs > on a shorter leash cause I don't like'em screwin around at the doors trying > to find a weakness somewhere. > - -- > Mark > - --- > Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) > Linux User Since 1996 > Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 & 9.0 > ICQ# 27816299 > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE+JMLTJuZ1geTzHgERAqe6AKDug8UBepjJlDfeyJFwBwL0s9r/YwCfQY1o > jVf29ynKmxjJRf/7BLFvLuo= > =idd6 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] OT - Which ethernet cable to use
Cat 5 cables are pretty standard. Any store that sells hubs, should also carry them. There are no adapters to be concerned with. One end of the cable goes into a nick, the other end into the hub. Now with your firewall, one nic is going to be connected to the dls/cable modem, but you'll need a second nic (and cable) to go from the firewall to the hub. If you plan to use only one nic in the firewall, you'll have what's known as a 'one arm firewall'. It would require a second IP on the nic, and is a more complex setup. Hope some of this helps, ~Brandon On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 12:19, Sharrea wrote: > Hi all > > OT I know, but I can't figure out what type of Cat 5 UTP cable (and possibly > adapters) I am supposed to use with this 5-port switching hub I picked up > at the auction. > > The hub manual says: > > Fast Ethernet Ports > These ports require Category 5 unshielded twisted-pair (UTP) cable. These > ports can be used to connect to individual workstations, servers or other > Ethernet devices. The attached station must be within 100 meters of the > 10/100 Switching Hub, and a straight-through cable must be used when > connecting a single-address device or a crossover cable when connecting a > multi-address device such as a 100Base-TX repeater. > > When connecting a workstation or a server, a standard 100BASE-TX adapter > must be installed. > > > I have 3 PCs that I want to network with one being used solely as a firewall > with ipcop. Each PC has a NIC. I connect to the internet via a dialup > modem. > > My theory so far: > 1. Connect external dialup modem to firewall machine which will provide > internet access to the other 2 machines. > 2. Connect each of the 3 machines to the hub with (?) cat 5 utp cable and > (?) adapters. > > Could someone please enlighten this thick newbie as to which cable and > adapters (if any) I should use? Any help greatly appreciated. > > Cheers > Sharrea > -- > Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: [newbie] possible to synchronize users with Windows?
Hi Jody, Looks like what you want is MS SFU (Services for Unix 2.0 or 3.0). http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/default.asp http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/techinfo/administration/20/nis.asp You may already have 2.0. I haven't been able to determine if it was included. 3.0 is available for $99 from Microsoft. It includes an NIS server. Once that's running, you can configure your linux boxes to authenticate with the NIS server. In this way, no new accounts need be created on the linux boxes. I've done this with other Unix variants, but you may need to look around to find out how to do this in Linux. There may be an alternative. You could run an NIS server on linux and with some utility, sync the NIS server with the Active Directory. But I've haven't found it yet. And it would probably still require SFU. Personally, I would go with the first option. Hope this helps, Feel free to contact me if you need further information. ~Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 06:49, Jody Cleveland wrote: > Hi Brandon, > > > That's not going to do what I think you want. Let's get you a > > solution. > > I very much appreciate your time! > > > 1. Are you trying to sync your linux user db with windows user db? > > yes > > > 2. Approximately how many linux hosts/windows hosts. > > We have three linux boxes and about 300-400 windows boxes. We are starting > to migrate certain things off of Windows onto Linux. We've got about 500 > users, so I'd rather not have to manually create that many users and try to > get all of their passwords. That, and I'm hoping to avoid headaches when > users change passwords every 60 days. > > > 3. Are you using (on windows) local accounts, domain > > accounts, or active directory accounts. > > They started out as domain accounts, but have been switched over to active > directory accounts. All our servers are win2k, except for one exchange box > that is a backup domain controller. > > Thanks again for your time! > > > -- > Jody Cleveland > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] Windows media player for netscape in mandrake
On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 03:20, Ralph Slooten wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:54:34 +0100 > Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In reply to ivette's mail, d.d. Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:43:02 +0100: > > > > >Is there an linux equivalent for Windows Media Player? I'm using > > >latest http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/info.html We got QTs and WMV/WMA. New Mplayer v0.90rc2. Loaded it today and it works great. This pages shows all the new formats. Yeehaw! (that's Oi! for the Brits and Crikey! for the Aussies) ;) ~Brandon signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which isbetter:KDE or Gnome?]
> Some people may have hurt your feelings - well that's sad. But your country is > going to _kill_ people - not just hurt their feelings. > > Is it better to kill than to cope with opposing views and maybe discover that > you are wrong? Bones, Nice post. I'm sure there will be sweeping policy changes and a flood of apologies issued from Washington very soon. Until then, can we drop the subject at least on this list? It's getting real old. Pretty please? I'll be your best friend. ;) Feel free to contact me personally and flame my government to your heart's content. I'm also on the #Mandrake-offtopic IRC channel at freenode.net. ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Regarding off-toppic chit-chats: IRC
> > I connect to IRC servers everyday without having to use an ident server.So I > dont know that is the problem.I consider them a security risk and wouldnt use > one unless I had to.I am on Freenode now without one.So your rejection might > be caused by something else. I've just noticed that some servers require it. As for the security risk, you can always run the fakeident. ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] DHCP/net-up script
> > Where's the best place for this. In the net-up script? I can't remember > > what that is, or if it's executed when the computer gets a new lease. I > > don't see a dhcpc script, just an exe. > > I use a dyndns service with an updater running as a daemon, and it works fine. > It just periodically checks the IP and if different notifies dyndns. You only > get a log entry when something changes. > > ddclient from http://burry.ca:4141/ddclient/ That client won't work with my dns provider. However, reading that page did cause me to look at dhcpcd.exe. Turns out it is only a script, and even has a place for me to put in my update command. Looks like it's going to work. I guess I'll just have to wait and see. Thanks, ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Regarding off-toppic chit-chats: IRC
Some servers require an ident response (see pidentd) for access. But before looking at that, I'd try a different server. If you still have trouble, feel free to contact me via email directly, and I'll do whatever I can to help. ~Brandon On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 12:30, Terry Sheltra wrote: > Pardon the total newbieness :-), but I can seem to configure X-chat > correctly to connect to irc.freenode.net .. I put in the server name, > gave myself a nickname, and when i try to connect, I get the following: > > > --- Connecting to sterling.freenode.net (212.204.214.114) port 6667.. > --- Connected. Now logging in.. > --- AUTH :*** Looking up your hostname... > --- AUTH :*** Found your hostname, welcome back > --- AUTH :*** Checking ident > --- AUTH :*** No identd (auth) response > --- Closing Link: ts (Bad user info) > --- Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). > > Is there something else I need to do that I'm not doing? > > Thanks! > > Terry > > mike wrote: > > >On Wednesday 08 January 2003 10:26 pm, you wrote: > > > > > >>Is this besides the #mandrake channel on irc.freenode.net ? > >> > >>Michael > >> > >> > > > >Actually there is a channel on Freenode called #mandrake-offtopic that might > >be most appropriate for off topic chat.I am there now and it could use some > >provocation. > > > > > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > -- > Terry Sheltra > PC Technician/Network Administrator > University of Virginia > School of Architecture > 434.982.3047 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Registered Linux User #218330 > Composed on a 100% Micro$soft-free PC > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] DHCP/net-up script
Hi all, I'm using DHCPCD on a 9.0 box (2 actually) with my broadband connection. I'm also using a dynamic dns service. I need to get my boxes to update the dns when the ip changes. Now I've already got a script that does the updating and it works great, and it's in a cron job running hourly. Sometimes the addresses change once a month, sometimes more often. Rather than keep it in the cron job, I'd rather have it execute (and log) only when the address changes. Where's the best place for this. In the net-up script? I can't remember what that is, or if it's executed when the computer gets a new lease. I don't see a dhcpc script, just an exe. Any help is greatly appreciated. (And it'll significantly help remove unneeded entries in my log.) ;) TIA ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Regarding off-toppic chit-chats: IRC
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 21:19, Jerry wrote: > SNIP > > > > Starlink looks fine, but it only has one server in Europe. :( > > > > > > BTW, Eggdrop 1.6.13 works like a champ on mdk 9.0, they fixed some old > > bugs in this new version. > > > I'll check out a couple of the other smaller nets and see if i can get a hold of >some of the OPERS, try and find one with a little better coverage. I op some >channels on Undernet currently so I'll see what I can find. > > ;-) I like freenode, the one Mike mentioned. It's pretty small too, but they've already got an established mandrake-ot channel. (lot of other good stuff there too.) http://www.freenode.org/irc_servers.shtml ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
> I think this would be a good point to end this thread, there are many who > hold strong views about this subject and I fear that to continue to express > them here could lead to a falling out of members. > It goes without saying that it is a very emotive subject, many of us will have > strong views which will differ widely dependant upon such factors as country > of residence, political persuasion, religious belief etc. > Let's remember that the members of this list are spread around the globe with > the common aim of helping other Mandrake users and promoting Mandrake > generally, so let's not spoil it by expressing political opinions which are > of no relevance to this list and could concievably lead to alienation of > valued members. > -- > http://www.poogle.co.uk Well said. Now, if I can just get my wine/counter-strike stuff working, I can get back to fighting terrorism instead of reading/writing about it here. ;) Have a good one, ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 19:33, Kesav Tadimeti wrote: > On the other hand, I believe Bush is going to war in the hope that it will > revive the economy. Preperations for the war will boost the defence > industry, and when the war is over lots of contracts (notably petroleum > ones) will go out to the US industry. I guess that is his solution to revive > the economy. I wonder what made you folks vote Bush. > > Bush (and I am sure any other president) is doing his job, that is, to repay > in kind the "donations" various companies give to the republicans and the > democrats. > [Kesav] >>>What gets me is that the whole Iraq thing is over the oil. In > fact, the Bush administration has already divided it up amongst the oil > companies. [Kesav] >>> (primarily american I'm sure) > > cheers... That sounds good to me. I've got a gas-lovin Camaro and could use some cheap oil. ;) Seriously, we've got our problems like any other country, and it's a wonderful thing to discus them. But if this war destroys just one terrorist supporter, I'll consider my tax money well spent. And if it destroys saddam, I may even consider voting for Bush. ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0
Me too, but I tried it again later and it's working now. I'm sorry I read it though. The best part for me was reading the responses to his article. ;) ~Brandon Kernel Version 5.00.2195 DOGBOY has been up for: 8 day(s), 10 hour(s), 59 minute(s), 5 second(s) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0 On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 7:54 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > Hate to say, "told y'all so", but once again, someone else agrees and > has come to the same conclusion...and they're paid for it... > > > http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=189 I'm getting 'cannot resolve ofb.biz' or 'ofb.biz not found' Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade
I haven't had any troubles installing Mandrake on a disk with an existing Windows 2000 NTFS partition. It was very clean. Obviously, you want to take your time and be very careful. On a side note, I would never have tried it even once without my important data backed up. I'd seriously think about finding some way to save that data. You say you have no way of backing up that much data right after you say that you can't afford to lose it. Can you afford 30 bucks and some time for a burner and a stack of cds? A second HD wouldn't be too much, and you'd have some quick and easy insurance. And a tape backup unit would be even better, but they're pretty pricey. So it's like the mechanic said, "Good, Fast, Cheap - Pick two." On a side note to a side note, I know some people are right now have figured that it would take about 80 650MB CDs to do this, and then figuring out that how much time that would take. But that answer doesn't mean anything until it's compared to the time of recreating that 50GB worth of data from scratch. Anyway, hope it goes well for you. .02 ~Brandon -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark MitchellSent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 8:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot Upgrade Problem is I have over 50 gigs of MP3's and movies on the Windows partition that I cant afford to lose and I have no way of backing up that much data- MarkKeith wrote: Do not mess around...BACK UP important files/folders On Thursday 02 January 2003 08:49 pm, Mark Mitchell wrote: I have a machine running windows 2000 server and Mandrake 8.0 I want to upgrade to Mandrake 9. Is there anything I should beware of before upgrading a dual boot machine. If I lose my 2000 install I will be screwed. - Mark
RE: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
Straight, hot coffee and a command line. ~Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pilagá Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome? El Jue 02 Ene 2003 21:49, Todd Slater escribió: > I'm too poor to run those hogs, so I use Fluxbox, too. > > Star Trek, and Coca-Cola. > > Todd Here Star Trek and some well tempered and ancient cabernet sauvignon ;-) Pilagá Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] KVM Switch and Mouse
Check out http://www.cinlug.org/forums/web_board/1014471387/index_html. Looks like some ppl are able to get it working with either of two workarounds. Both involved re-initializing the mouse by going to text and back. One was restarting x, which doesn't sound like it would help you, but the other sounded interesting. CTRL ALT F1, then CTRL ALT F7. I don't know if that applies to install mode, but maybe. I do know that from the install screen you can get to the text stuff, perhaps with different key combinations. I'm wondering if beginning installation in text mode might also help. Hope some of this might get you going. p.s. I don't know how to navigate through the install screens on keyboard alone, sorry. ~Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ross Bleakney Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 10:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] KVM Switch and Mouse To answer your question, the installer didn't recognize the mouse throught the KVM switch. Do you know how to drive the Mandrake Control Center when the mouse doesn't work? I tried tabbing within the fields but this doesn't seem to work. I can keep switching the plugs, but I was hoping to try something easier. Thanks, Ross >From: "Brandon Vanderberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [newbie] KVM Switch and Mouse >Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 11:38:16 -0800 > >I've got the same setup and haven't noticed any issues. > >Did you install linux with the kvm attached? If so, could the os see the >mouse during install? > >If you didn't, you might wanna go into the control center and see if you >can >try different mouse types/settings. > >HTH > >~Brandon > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ross Bleakney >Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 10:47 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [newbie] KVM Switch and Mouse > > >I recently attached a KVM switch between my Linux box and Windows box. The >monitor switches just fine. However, the mouse doesn't work. I looked on >the >XFree-Newbie archives, and is common for people to have trouble with their >mice through a KVM switch. However, people have skittery mice. I have no >mouse input at all. Any ideas would be helpful. >Thanks, >Ross >P.S. I don't see anyway of searching the Mandrake-Newbie list archives, >short of searching the entire Mandrake site (www.mandrakelinux.com). Does >anyone know of a way to search the archives? > > > > >_ >The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months >http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] KVM Switch and Mouse
I've got the same setup and haven't noticed any issues. Did you install linux with the kvm attached? If so, could the os see the mouse during install? If you didn't, you might wanna go into the control center and see if you can try different mouse types/settings. HTH ~Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ross Bleakney Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] KVM Switch and Mouse I recently attached a KVM switch between my Linux box and Windows box. The monitor switches just fine. However, the mouse doesn't work. I looked on the XFree-Newbie archives, and is common for people to have trouble with their mice through a KVM switch. However, people have skittery mice. I have no mouse input at all. Any ideas would be helpful. Thanks, Ross P.S. I don't see anyway of searching the Mandrake-Newbie list archives, short of searching the entire Mandrake site (www.mandrakelinux.com). Does anyone know of a way to search the archives? _ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during installation
Adding sources and disabling supermount are two different things. To disable supermount, it was something like 'supermount -i disable', then 'mount -a'. The main thing was adding the other sources. Now you have a choice. If you have a slow cd like I do, then you don't want to add the other cds. If you don't have much hard disk space, then you don't want to copy the cd's onto your disk. And if you don't have a fast Internet connection, then you don't wanna add the FTP source. Once you figure out which you'd like to do, follow the relevant procedure below. BTW, in my case, I've got a slow cd and limited hd space but a fast connection. I chose to add the ftp source. To add FTP sources, go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php#third it'll have you chose which mirror, version, and architecture you want, then present you with a command to type in. I found it very easy. Then go into software sources manager and remove the installation cd as one of the sources. To copy the CD to the hd, create a dir on a partition that has enough space for all 3 cds - something like /home/mandrake will work. Insert and mount your first cd and copy the contents to this directory. Somewhere in there will be a dir called RPMS. On the 2nd and 3rd cd are directories called RPM2, RPM3, etc. Copy these dirs over so that all the rpm dirs are in the same place. Now from the software sources manager, remove the installation cd as one of the sources, and then add a new source. I'd call it local or something like that and browse to find where the hdlist is in this new dir. Finally, to just add the 2nd and 3rd cds, go into software sources manager and add removable media with each (in turn) inserted and mounted. If you edit the cd source that's already there, you'll see how to do the others. ~Brandon > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hendrik Boom > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 5:21 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Hendrik Boom > Subject: Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during > installation > > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:52:48 -0800 > > Spencer Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:22:49 -0500 > > Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:04:43 -0800 > > > Spencer Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think you will find that the problem is lack of memory. The bare > minimum for ML9 > > >is 64megs. > > > > > > > > > In this case the reason is more apt to be lack of fd space. > > > > > > For a PowerPack install to request other than cd1 requires around 2 gigs > or more. > > > This is due to the pkgs being ordered on the cds in to include depends > and as they > > >need to be installed and the fact the the installation creates a /tmp to > which many > > >of the pkgs are copied prior to installation. > > > This being why the fd space required for installation exceeds the space > required for > > >the actually used once the installation is complete. > > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > I'm finding that even with more than adequate space, if you have a slow, > low memory > > computer ( I have several ), the installer doesn't want to put much > more in than > > what is necessary. This is really obvious if you need to go to a text > install. > > > > Spence > > Well, disk space is not a problem. I have 2 gig available in my Mandrake > root partition, and can easily expand that to 10 gig if necessary. The 48 > meg is probably the real restriction. And it's stupid, too. The machine > has more than enough capacity for what I really want to do, and am doing on > SuSE Linux now. Occasionally it slows doen, but not seriously, and I did > want to get started with the new kernel, which is rumoured to be smaller and > faster, and do a better and more flexible job of packet filtering. > > And even emacs did not appear during the install. > > There must be a way around this. Could it be that the installer really > needs more than 48 meg to sort dependencies, and is incapable of using swap > space? > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during installation
How strange, last night I did the same thing with an old pc. The pc is a very old Pentium 100 or 200 w/ 48meg of ram and a 6 gig disk. I didn't know about the 64meg requirement, but xfree86 (ver 4) and KDE came up and loaded fine with 48. It wasn't a speed demon, but it worked well. This was with the regular 3 CD set and regular (not text) install. It only used the 1st cd for me too, but I disabled supermount, and added the 2 other cds to the source list and it worked well. I didn't see this as anything more than a very minor annoyance. Incidently, the cd-rom drive is an old 4 speed, so since then I've changed the urpmi sources to one of the ftp mirrors. But I've loaded stuff from the 2nd and 3rd cd without issue. ~Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hendrik Boom Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 5:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hendrik Boom Subject: Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.0 never asks for another CD during installation On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:52:48 -0800 > Spencer Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:22:49 -0500 > Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:04:43 -0800 > > Spencer Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I think you will find that the problem is lack of memory. The bare minimum for ML9 > >is 64megs. > > > > > > In this case the reason is more apt to be lack of fd space. > > > > For a PowerPack install to request other than cd1 requires around 2 gigs or more. > > This is due to the pkgs being ordered on the cds in to include depends and as they > >need to be installed and the fact the the installation creates a /tmp to which many > >of the pkgs are copied prior to installation. > > This being why the fd space required for installation exceeds the space required for > >the actually used once the installation is complete. > > > > > > Charles > > > I'm finding that even with more than adequate space, if you have a slow, low memory > computer ( I have several ), the installer doesn't want to put much more in than > what is necessary. This is really obvious if you need to go to a text install. > > Spence Well, disk space is not a problem. I have 2 gig available in my Mandrake root partition, and can easily expand that to 10 gig if necessary. The 48 meg is probably the real restriction. And it's stupid, too. The machine has more than enough capacity for what I really want to do, and am doing on SuSE Linux now. Occasionally it slows doen, but not seriously, and I did want to get started with the new kernel, which is rumoured to be smaller and faster, and do a better and more flexible job of packet filtering. And even emacs did not appear during the install. There must be a way around this. Could it be that the installer really needs more than 48 meg to sort dependencies, and is incapable of using swap space? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] blocked ports?
Hi, To enable DCC through a firewall, I did the following: Configure Xchat to use 2 ports (say 1087 and 1088) for dcc. You can use more, but not less. Configure my firewall to allow 2 ports for dcc. ~brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of magnet Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 5:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] blocked ports? Hi all, Im having a few problems here atm after installing gshield. It's working fine but I seem to be unable to send/receive dcc sends using xchat on IRC. Does anyone know the fix for this? Port 6667 is open and xchat works fine connecting to servers/chatting on but no dcc transfers. Also need to know what port licq uses as it won't connect at all. Connection sharing is working fine from linux box [gateway] to the other machines on this LAN and the windows laptop also suffers from the dcc block but connects fine to ICQ. Cheers magnet Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Too much like winblows? What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lyvim Xaphir Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 6:17 AM To: NewbieMandrake-List Subject: [newbie] Too much like winblows? What? On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 09:28, walt wrote: > I plan on supporting Mandrake in every way that I can. I love this > distro. I have tried others, including debian and have always come > back to this one. Someone on another forum said they wouldn't use > mandrake because it looked too much like windows for him. I personally > think that if they want to get people to use linux, looking like > windows is the way to go. People tend to use what looks familiar to > them. I really hope that the Mandrake team gets it together to > continue putting out a quality product. > > Walt What really confuses me is the fact that you cannot make windows look like anything but windows, yet Mandrake (linux) can be made to look like anything you want (with Enlightenment) or it can look like winblows (KDE) but better. So where in the hell are these people getting off at? My statement here is that people that say Linux looks too much like winblows have not gained an understanding of the capabilities of Linux to be ANYTHING. In Enlightenment, the GUI changes with the theme. If you want a winblows theme, you just download one, and volia! the system is a winblows clone. Or you can go into KDE. Or you can download an Enlightenment theme that's totally alien to anything out there, and when you select that theme under E, your system becomes alien. Simple. One major reason I run E is because after several years I got absolutely sick of seeing nothing but square title bars. With E you have the ability to create title bars of any shape or color or texture you want. That's just one freedom that's supplied by Enlightenment. E's whole overall theme (if there is one) is freedom itself; freedom of the GUI. Since Linux requires you to understand what it's capabilities are before you can use them (duh, that applies to anything) the people that say it looks too much like winblows tend to annoy me. It seems that some people are so limited in their personal scope that they NEED a LACK of choice in order to function or exist. And that's all I'm going to say on this. --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Hmm, Regarding the confusion you mentioned, and in all fairness, you can make windows look and feel like anything you like. There are a range of options from just changing the way windows looks with something like object desktop, to changing the way it acts with a replacement shell like darkstep or litestep, to changing some of both with something like aston. I've used these with success and enjoy the freedom from the GUI about which you wrote. I like different features of different window managers and shells. I have a CDE-like panel at the bottom of the screen, but I don't like CDE's title bars, so I use different ones. But I could make it look like enlightenment, fvwm, or whatever. I agree that having a windows-like desktop when you first install IS a good idea for people just starting with Linux. As they learn they'll start to customize, and make it their own. Merry Christmas ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] alternatives
-Original Message- From: Aaron Mehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I have a dual boot mandrak 9.0 and w2k. Even with all the complexity of linux I much prefer it over w2k. Did you look a win4lin?? This is not a toy like wine is. The problem with vmware is the price and I tried the demo and was not so impressed with performance, although those who know how to tweak it say they can get it to rock. My understanding is that win4lin doesn't work with any Direct X apps. The second PC is only a Pentium 200 w/ 64MB. So I may go with bsd or a very light mdk install in the next go'round. Not sure yet. I am trying to blow away w2k as soon as I can. This is getting me crazy rebooting. and I am wasting disk space as well. my advice is don't jump for mandrake 9.0 so fast. I have used many distributions. Redhat, Suse, debian, and mandrak. I've only used BSD, RH5, RH8, mdk7, 8, 8.1, 8.2, and now 9. Of those, I'm most impressed with 9 as a user desktop. To me, it had the best chance of getting an old window user to make a full switch. The only one that has been problem free has been Redhat. Debian is cool but not for the faint hearted. Suse is way to big. I use Mandrake cause someone hacked it for audio applications. otherwise I would be using Redhat. For networking applications, (nessus, bb, mrtg, fwlogwatch, and the like), I'd also pick 9.0, though I've run other versions in production with no problems major issues. I think that's something I failed to mention in my first post... I'm totally happy with the choice of mdk as a dedicated work box, so long as I can rdp to a MSTS that has Visio on it. (Also gets me Exchange calendar and resource scheduling.) (this is all just my opinion) Since I missed your thread on the Mandrake newbies, what do you use visio for, and what alternivies did you try on linux?? I've used dia, kivio (what's with the $10 stencils???), and another I can't remember. Don't get me wrong, I can draw a decent network diagram in any of these. I just can't pass these documents back and forth to customers, management, and co-workers with ease. lol Aaron ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] alternatives
Thanks, I'll try that. I blew away Mandrake and reinstalled 2k, so the immediate problem is gone. But now I have my kid's computer spread out all over the garage swapping hardware so I can put linux on it. Then I can Bash C headers and make depend ./hooya/blitz.kablooey-26.3.4 all day long without missing my apps. I guess it's sorta like working on a car, make sure you got a second one that runs before you tear the first apart. Hmmm... now I'm gonna have a whole new batch of hardware issues to sort out. Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] alternatives On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 20:12, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been beating my head against my keyboard for about 4 days straight. > The more I work with Mandrake and all the current apps out there, the > more impressed I am with all of it. But I can't make the full switch to > Mandrake until I can resolve the last two issues; Visio and > Counter-Strike. > > As I see it, my choices are wine(x), vmware, and dual booting. > > Most of the past 4 days has been spent searching, reading, and trying > different things to get Half-Life (Counter-Strike) running with winex. > It still doesn't work and I'm not prepared to spend that much time > trying to get Visio running, so I've built another partition and put > Win2k on it. I'll dual boot for now. > > But that's not gonna cut it for long. > I want Linux as my base OS, and I have to be able to run Visio until > there's a nix equivalent that will handle Visio files flawlessly. > (Exporting/Importing via HTML or whatnot is neat but not good enough.) > > I'm considering the purchase of VMware Workstation, but it's a $300 > decision. So I thought I check here first. This has to be a common > issue. Are there any other options - recommendations? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > ~Brandon > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I wanted to say something about this before, but constantly forget to do so - so I'll do it now. WINE wants to be an abstraction layer - a "clone", per se, so that Windows apps can run - right? SO, if you look in the /usr/share/wine-c/ directory, you see a rather bleak and bland SKELETON of Windows directories and the likes. Well, that didn't sit right with me - and wanting to run MYOB whilst in fave linux, I decided to hack WINE. First, I copied just about everything from my /mnt/hda1/windows directories right into the /usr/share/wine-c/ directory. Fonts, DLL's - you name it - I copied it there. I wanted to give Windows programs everything they asked for. I also dittoed the same with the "Program Files" subdirs, too. I dug through all the ini files and the WINE registry files to straighten out things that had been changed as well as point some "virtual dll's" to the real McCoy's...took a while, and took a fair bit of experimenting, but overall, now I can run native Windows applications in my linux world. Now my way was hacked/slashed - but from what I unnerstan...WineX is by far the better way to go...they've spent a good deal of time getting WINE "Game Playable" - which basically tells me that if you can run a game like UT2002 or HL under linux, running sniveling little MS wanna-be programs like Viso (only joking there) would be a snap. And mate, if I can live completely in a Window-less world (socially even) then so can you! -- Wed Dec 18 22:40:01 EST 2002 10:40pm up 5:32, 3 users, load average: 0.06, 0.14, 0.20 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ |"""""""""| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;"""/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn I love dogs, but I hate Chihuahuas. A Chihuahua isn't a dog. It's a rat with a thyroid problem. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] alternatives
Hi all, I've been beating my head against my keyboard for about 4 days straight. The more I work with Mandrake and all the current apps out there, the more impressed I am with all of it. But I can't make the full switch to Mandrake until I can resolve the last two issues; Visio and Counter-Strike. As I see it, my choices are wine(x), vmware, and dual booting. Most of the past 4 days has been spent searching, reading, and trying different things to get Half-Life (Counter-Strike) running with winex. It still doesn't work and I'm not prepared to spend that much time trying to get Visio running, so I've built another partition and put Win2k on it. I'll dual boot for now. But that's not gonna cut it for long. I want Linux as my base OS, and I have to be able to run Visio until there's a nix equivalent that will handle Visio files flawlessly. (Exporting/Importing via HTML or whatnot is neat but not good enough.) I'm considering the purchase of VMware Workstation, but it's a $300 decision. So I thought I check here first. This has to be a common issue. Are there any other options - recommendations? Thanks in advance, -- ~Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] looking for easy, cheap, way to share files,cable connection between two boxes
Option 1. You can connect two computers together with a x-over cable. This does require a 2nd NIC in your 8.2 box. The advantage is that you don't have to buy hub or switch. Also, you only really need to worry about having a firewall on the 8.2 box. It will protect the other box. The disadvantage is that if the 8.2 box is down for some reason, you lose Internet connectivity for the other computer. You'll also have to configure Internet Sharing. Not a big deal. Option 2. Buy a hub or switch, connect both computers and your cable modem to it. Have your cable company provide an additional IP for this second box. I know Cox charges something like 6 or 7 bucks for the second IP. Some side notes - With only 3 devices on a hub, you shouldn't see many collisions. The prices for NICs, hub and switches are so close (for decent ones) that it's pretty much a wash as far as price is concerned. HTH, ~Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 19:08, joe wrote: > On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 16:42, FemmeFatale wrote: > > At 03:00 PM 12/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > >. Stephen, can you share the internet with a > > >crossover cable? > > > Yes provided the cable goes to a Hub/router/whatevers Uplink Or #1 > > port. thats what that port is for. > > > OK now I am confused (again), I was thinking from what Stephen wrote > that my XP/mdk9.0 box would be connected to my 8.2 box with the > crossover cable, and that (8.2) box would have another NIC connected to > my cable modem as usual.I thought a hub/router/whatever was unnecessary > with this setup. I also thought this would suffice for both file sharing > and for sharing the cable connection.Was I wrong? Also what is the #1 > port? Joe. > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] CDROM troubles
Hi folks, sorry for the FAQ. But, I've read lots of howto's and tons of threads on the subject in various boards, and am more confused than when I started. The trouble is with my IDE CD-ROM burner. I'm not trying to burn at this point, just read data CDs reliably. Right now it's hit and miss. An example: ls /mnt/cdrom - I see the files. cp /mnt/cdrom/*.jpg /home/me/documents/ - Some files make it, some don't ls /mnt/cdrom - I see a list of files, but each says it's an invalid file or directory. I believe I need to switch to ide-scsi from ide-cd, but I'm not sure. Is there a simple way to get this working? The howto's I've read seem to require a mastery of Linux I just don't have. Info: Mandrake 9.0 cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord 1.11a32 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24 Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) * 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) 'LITE-ON ' 'LTR-32123S ' 'XS0R' Removable CD-ROM 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * more /etc/fstab /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 /dev/hda6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom auto codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,noauto,nosuid,ro,user,nodev 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 -- ~Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] new login screen and TWM
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 17:41, Joseph Braddock wrote: > On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:31:46 -0500 > Joseph Braddock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It appears that when you removed KDE2.2, you also removed the KDM it was using. >When you installed KDE3, it installed the KDE3 version of KDM, but your system is >unaware of it. To fix it you to change the line in /etc/inittab from: >#x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > > to: x:5:respawn:/opt/kde3/bin/kdm -nodaemon > > > > This is assuming that your KDE3 is installed in /opt/kde3 and that /opt/kde3/bin >does contain kdm. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > Just to clarify a couple of things, in my response (above), I should have mentioned >that your version of inittab will not have the # sign before the x:5:respawn command. > The # sign indicates the line is a comment. What I did was to comment the original >line and added the new line directly below it. I would recommend you do the same. >Also, the line in question occurs at the end of the inittab. > > Joe > > That's exactly how I broke it. I went and found that my normal wm was kdm, and that it had left the building. So I removed 3, installed 2, then installed 3, and it all works. But I like your idea better. I think next time I'm bored (and brave) I'll try that. Anyway, thanks for the help. Have a good one. Brandon As a side note, I kinda like TWM. ;) Live and learn. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn Mandrake Update
Mine's working well also. I had that problem in 8.0, but with 8.1 (clean install) everything has worked much better. Copying the CDs to the drive helps a lot with speed and keeps me from having to carry my CD pack around all the time. This is on a laptop. On Friday 19 October 2001 13:13, Franki wrote: > Hi all, > > Is anyone else having heaps of trouble with mandrake update on 8.1? > > First of all, its slow, secondly, it insists on scanning the system and its > db of all the CD's each time you start it... > > and since I have to kill it alot because it sits there doing nothing, it > takes ages to try again.. > > Anyone had any luck getting MandrakeUpdate from 7.2 compiled for 8.1? This > is a case backasswards development, 7.2's software update was easy to use, > easy to configure and it worked, most of all it was simple and obvious. > > The software update in 8.1 gives you buggar all feedback on what its doing, > I am sitting here watching it do nothing,, > > I started software Installer, selected bugs general updates and security > updates, and it found Mozilla, and the SSH packages... I think great, > that wasn't that hard, even if it did take ages... (alot longer then 7.2) > anyway, I clicked continue, after selecting all the packages except > Mozilla, (do that after ssh is updated was my thinking). Anyway I have a > screen now that says, Install in progress, you can see below the > installation state, and the rest of the window is blank except for the > quit, back, next and help buttons none of which are highlighed so that I > can click them. > > Its been like that for an hour, doing absolutly nothing, no CPU or HDD > activity, and no net activity. > > So whats with that? Also, before someone tells me to try another mirror, > this is the forth I have tried, and gottn no further with any of them. > > Most annoying, I'll ask again, has anyone got mdk7.2 SoftwareUpdate working > with 8.1 I need a workable solution before I put these things out as > servers... > > > rgds > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Sherman > Sent: Saturday, 20 October 2001 3:53 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] HD spin down > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > > OK, I did this: > > > > > > hdparm -S 6 /dev/hda > > > hdparm -S 6 /dev/hdb > > > > > > to set both HD's to spin down after 30 seconds, just to test and see if > > it > > > > would work. It didn't, and I didn't see anything for troubleshooting on > > > either the man page, or at mandrakeuser.org. Whats my next move? > > > > I don't think there's meant to be a space between the "S" and the number. > > Here's > > > what I use: > > > > hdparm -c1d1S242 /dev/hda > > > > You can ignore the "c1d1" here. Notice, however, the "S242" (242 = 1 > > hour) > > on > > > the end of the tag. > > > > Also, there may be background processes that still require the > > filesystem. > > I > > > don't think 30 seconds would be long enough for everything to settle > > down. > > Try > > > setting the interval to a few minutes, and then try it when there's > > nothing else > > > (including X) running. > > > > Another thing to consider is your filesystem. If you use ReiserFS, the FS > > is > > > polled every five minutes. This makes spindowns unlikely to work for > > drives with > > > mounted ReiserFS partitions. Ext2, swap and FAT are fine in this regard. > > I > > don't > > > know about the other journalling FSs. > > Hmm...OK, I tried taking out the space, but the same thing happened, ie > the output told me the same thing, so I think it works with the space too. > > But, it still didn't work...and I do use ReiserFS. Guess it's time to kick > this one up to the expert list, eh? > > Thanks for your help, Sridhar... > > > peace, > > Rog > > "The guy was all over the place. I had to swerve a number of times before I > hit him" _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Diamond Stealth III S540 agp videocard
used it fine with mandrake, no issues. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R Edward McCain Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Diamond Stealth III S540 agp videocard Are there any known linux issues with this card? http://store.s3.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry10?SP=10023&PN=1&V1=255159&xid=25971 I'd linke to own one, I think. I currently have a 16mb voodoo3 2000 PCI and would love to use my AGP slot. advTHANKSance -- R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 599146 Registered Linux User #196613
Re: RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
agreed. I got fed up with my linux installation and blew the whole damn thing away and installed win2k. I started at 10:40pm, it's now 11:05pm. Default install, i got sound (good sound -all the time, right out of the box), good screen resolution, detection of EVERYTHING, networking configured to include email and a basic web server, pretty much everything with very few questions. (Hah, and I didn't have to write anyone for help.) I'll be tweaking things over the next few days to get everything just how I like it. But by God, I will not have to read one outdated HOWTO, and no instructions that say inane crap like (that usually works on this distro, but with this other distro, you're on your own and you'll have to run make-compile.logrootlilo.) ;) Oh, I'll put linux back on. I chose mandrake for ease of use and because some very good friends (who build very large, and very complex linux servers for a living) told me it was the best place to start learning linux. And... I agree completely. It IS a lot of fun for "playing with" (by playing I mean learning, experimenting, etc). I guess the car analogy is the best. I'd like to have a high perf sports car in the garage. I wouldn't mind it being more maintenance hungry for all the fun I have with it. But I'd also like to have a perfectly good, very practical car that goes 100k miles between tune ups. Maybe a car made by a company that holds a so-called monopoly over all the other car makers, but a good car none-the-less. And I wouldn't mind all my vette friends coming over and bad mouthing my other car, telling me that I wasn't a "real" driver, because I drove a.. oh, let's call it a billymobile. I suppose I could get along with these real drivers and still get along with my billy-bound friends. We'll see if that can happen. My Vette friends are pretty insistent. flame off guys, it's just my opinion ;) Brandon - Original Message - From: "Vic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 10:56 PM Subject: RE: RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux > That would be neat, a little question at the beginning of > the installer that says something like- > > [] I don't want all that techno stuff right now > > OR- > > [] I'm a technician dangbustit, gimme a shell!! > > and the person could click on what they wanted, > and it would proceed as such, more > choices could be made however that was just an example > of how people could have a choice when using Linux > of any version, more choice to have > the tech stuff or the easy stuff with > option to train along the way, and eventually > work their way into technician status > if they so desired it. > > H--- > > On Mon, 04 Dec 2000, Rick Commo wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: David Grubb > > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 8:02 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux > > > > I can understand what you are saying here, that the face of Linux will > > change and it will no longer be recognised as the free OS it is now. I > > disagree as I don't understand how simplifying the installation and use of > > Linux for basic home users will dramatically alter the foundations of the > > Linux OS. > > > > -- > > Dave, > > > > I agree with you completely. The proper attitude is that making Linux > > extremely easy will not (should not!!) SUBTRACT from what is here today! If > > you enjoy config files and mucking around with parameters - that will all > > still be there. If you enjoyed CLI work with the shell of your choice - > > that will still be there. But for the majority of people who are not > > interested in the "guts" the ease-of-use would be there. Add the "layman > > apps" that the non-enthusiast might be interested in and suddenly Linux > > could start to be a real alternative in the consumer market. That would > > help the consumer and Linux. > > >
[newbie] Wanna see a Penguin puke?
hehe I just learned something I thought I'd share and ask a question at the same time. When you hit CTRL+ESC you get the window manager (or whatever it's called - process viewer). When you Hold down those same keys (in frustration because for example, it didn't respond quick enough - being the very impatient person you are) you get a million copies of the process viewer running at the same time all viewing each other. If you do this, make sure you have that little system monitor applet running so you can catch the fun. Alternatively, you can put your ear next to your computer and listen to all the little baby penguins in your hard drive scream and vomit at roughly the same time. Ugg, had to reset. Happily, no harm was done. Good job Linus! Question: I don't suppose there's a way I can limit the number times a particular application or process will spawn at the same time, is there? -- Brandon Vanderberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dogboy.insanediego.com
[newbie] applications
Though perhaps a bit off subject, I'm hopeful that someone will be able to point me in the right direction. I've been playing with Linux for a while (several different builds of Mandrake and RedHat), and am pretty happy with my new Mandrake 7.2 system. What I am missing from from my Windows box is something similar to Outlook. I think all the Kapps (mail, word, calendar, etc) are nice, but I'd like to have an all in one PIM/Email client. I'm looking for suggestions if anyone's got any. (I'm very familiar with Netscape and have given it a pretty fair shot, it just doesn't do it for me, ya know?) Anyway, thanks in advance. Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
