Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.2 and Hauppauge pvr-250
- Original Message - From: "Toth Bela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "mandrake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.2 and Hauppauge pvr-250 > Hi! > I first (at the first probe) try use hardrake, but this was in the > command line when I try run detect in hardrake (I have a ATI Radeon 9200 > video card): > > WARNING: Your X-Server has no DGA support. > > can't open /dev/v4l/video0: No such file or directory > > v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway > > v4l2: open /dev/v4l/video0: No such file or directory > > v4l2: open /dev/v4l/video0: No such file or directory > > v4l: open /dev/v4l/video0: No such file or directory > > no video grabber device available > The /dev/v4l/video0 device not exist, but I don't know what (and where) > setting create it. I try compile my own kernel, but the device wasn't > created. I write letter to hungarian mplayer user list, and here sad > me: try use ivtv, because the ivtv's driver good for PVR-250 card's. > > what method did you attempt the install? I have just been given the same card > > I don't know if you _need_ ivtv. I would put the card in and run harddrake > > first. > Thanks your answer! > Toti well Toti,, I feel your pain,,, After your last note, I decided to remove my old winTV (based on a bttv 848 chip) that has worked with out fail since about MDK7.2, and replace it with a new pvr250, to see if I could get it running,,, but so far,, just spinning my wheels, I am sorry to say. I looks like ivtv 'should' be _the_ program for this card, but I have not yet been able to get the RPMs to install. Sorry I don't have better news,,, but keep watching this list, when I get it running, I will let you know. so far it looks like you should try the 'multimedia' kernel since it should already be compliled with v4l. have you attempted to urpmi or use MCC to find the/a multimedia kernel (it will have mm in the name of the kernel)? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ** Welcome to Newbie **
On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 14:46, HaywireMac wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:41:07 + > Margot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > > > Half an hour? You think it would take me that long to do with him what > > > > he's done with the rest of the computing world? ;-) > > No, but who's to say you would only do it once? well, I am pretty sure you could only pull off his finger and toenails once a month. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] downloadable 9.2 & LG cdroms
On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 11:52, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Tuesday 28 Oct 2003 12:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Thank you Anne, and sorry for the comment, > > No problem. > > > in fact I have installed > > 9.2 in several computers, some of them with LG drivers, but > > dvd-cdrom and cdrw, so I haven't had any problem and my laptop, for > > example, is runing 9.2 for a week without any problem (with 9.1 > > sometimes I had hang opening the computer after a resume shutdown). > > > > I know that LG is the problem, making cdrom drivers with bug, but > > the people is looking the situation as if Mandrake were the > > responsible :-). > > > > The most important thing is for Mandrake solve the problem in the > > boxes and in the final download edition. > > > > I hope a new iso for the first cd (iso-1) could be enought to solve > > the problem. > > > Unfortunately, although the fault is LG's, Mandrake are going to take > some stick for this. My new Linux Format has arrived this morning - > with a dvd containing Mandrake 9.2. I don't see any way that they > are going to reach their readers before damage is done. > > Anne since the linux format is dvd, maybe very little damage will be done Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help with memtest and errors. (a little long)
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 13:28, Terence J. Golightly wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 10:31, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > > > Terry > > > > First, remove the ram and clean the contacts. A pencil eraser is > > good for this. Rub lightly, if it's decent ram the contacts are > > gold. > > Contacts are gold. Looked pretty clean to (me the uninitiated) :). > > Blow out any dust from the mobo slots. > > Used my mini vac. Need to get a can of 'Air' though. bad idea,,, minivac creates a ton of static, enough to screw memory chips as they sit. > > Re-seat the ram and > > check again. Try it in a different slot. > > Moved to center slot after cleaning, went through 5 runs w/o error. > Next opposite end slot. Bombed with 429 errors in test 6. Checked > seating and rerun test and it locked up at the beginning of test 7. > Back to original slot where it all began ;>, bombed on test 6 with > errors in the 5 figures. > > > > > Boot to memtest86, and as soon as it's running, press the > > key for configuration. From memory, I believe you want to then > > select 6, then 2, then 8. > > I got plently of messages on the screen. > > > Check the docs, but this should restart > > the test, log and report bad memory areas. Then you can add those > > statements to lilo or grub to let the kernel know not to use them. > > How I might save them to a file is not clear to me. > > > > All of this works only if you are running one of the latest > > Mandrake kernels with the 'badmem' patch. AFAIK, that means, > > 2.4.22-7mdk or newer. I know for sure the tmb kernels have this > > patch, eg, 2.4.22-12.tmb.1mdk > > For now that is something I'll have to wait on. > > > >I'd just replace the ram, and offer the old stuff to somebody I > > didn't like ;) You can always depend on Crucial for quality ram. > > http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.asp?cat=RAM > > Corsair is good too, > > http://www.corsairmicro.com/ > > > >A good measure is to buy better ram than you need. EG, if pc100 > > is required, buy pc133. Ditto, pc2700 is required, get pc3200. > > Those are just consumer labels tho. Important ratings are ns > > (nanosecond) and Cas rating. The lower the better. > > Thanks, > > Terry -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] A new virus for ALL platforms...
On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 11:41, John Wilson wrote: > On October 16, 2003 07:25 am, Chris Blake wrote: > > Greetings MDK users, > > > > Is Pandasoft a reliable virus package to install...there appears to be a > > new virus out that affects ALL systems.. > > > > http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/encyclopedia/overview.aspx?lst=vis&; > >idvirus=41263 > > > > Or is this an attempt to get ignorant Linux users (who I doubt exist) to > > buy their software... > > It's curious that their Linux packages are among the most expensive they have. > I'd like to see another report about this virus before I broke into a sweat > and bought the thing. > > To judge by thier rewards and stickers they appear to be legit. And I have > about them. > > Another curious thing about what they report is that if this virus reaps > passwords is it a virus or a root kit? > > ttfn > > John > not virus, Trojan > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] A new virus for ALL platforms...
On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 11:18, Russ Kepler wrote: > On Thursday 16 October 2003 08:25 am, Chris Blake wrote: > > Greetings MDK users, > > > > Is Pandasoft a reliable virus package to install...there appears to be a > > new virus out that affects ALL systems.. > > > > http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/encyclopedia/overview.aspx?lst=vis&; > >idvirus=41263 > > > > Or is this an attempt to get ignorant Linux users (who I doubt exist) to > > buy their software... > > I don't know if it's deliberate but they're mistaken in saying that it would > affect any non-Microsoft system (their tech details list only MS details, > none of which would work anywhere else, so I suspect the primary page was > just set wrong). > > or they mean that, just like blaster, it effects our usage of the Internet by clogging the pipes with crap. > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] cool toy
I just used jigl.pl to make thumbnails for a page I was doing, and never having played with it before, I was pleased as punch, and thought that anyone else wanting an automated way to create a web page with click-able thumbnails might like to know about. "xome.net/projects/jigl/" requires perl, imagemagick, jhead. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 is out!
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 07:01, ed tharp wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 04:13, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 10:01, Yoel P. Krigsman wrote: > > > i also agree with you, I am not able to get my Bittorrent to work even > > > at HOME!, My system is on DMZ host... STILL not working!!! > > > > > > YPK > > > > I'm not even trying, any more:( > > > > I finally got logged into club and noticed the 25% price cut on pre-orders for > > members..so I ordered the PowerPack at MandrakeStore. > > Maybe better that way. I'll have more fun when it gets here:) > > > > good luck, > > harM > > I cranked up bit torrent last night, after an hour it told me I have 72 > hours left. this morning, I have all 3 isos. and right after I posted that, I realized I bet I also have to have the 3 cd 'download' edition to get the first 3 cds, as well as the 3 powerpack cds (silver club member), oh well I guess it will run until I get home from work -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 is out!
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 04:13, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 10:01, Yoel P. Krigsman wrote: > > i also agree with you, I am not able to get my Bittorrent to work even > > at HOME!, My system is on DMZ host... STILL not working!!! > > > > YPK > > I'm not even trying, any more:( > > I finally got logged into club and noticed the 25% price cut on pre-orders for > members..so I ordered the PowerPack at MandrakeStore. > Maybe better that way. I'll have more fun when it gets here:) > > good luck, > harM I cranked up bit torrent last night, after an hour it told me I have 72 hours left. this morning, I have all 3 isos. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mirrors already deleting 9.1/contrib
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 04:48, Derek Jennings wrote: > Just a heads up. > Even though Mandrake 9.2 only came out yesterday I have noticed that > 9.1/contrib has **already** been deleted from my favourite mirror > (rediris.es) > > If anyone has trouble installing packages then check your mirror. > > I have also noticed that on rediris.es 9.2/contrib does not have an hdlist2.cz > file so I cannot use it as a urpmi source. > I am not too worried at the moment because I am running Cooker (virtually > identical to 9.2) > > Has anyone got a good mirror for 9.2/contrib ? > > derek is this deleted? or moved from "current" -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 is out!
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 21:47, Miark wrote: > > When I click on "mytorrent-ai9nl.torrent", (from mozilla, per > > instructions) it doesn't even load the gui ... > > Perhaps you can try Konq instead of Moz. > > > So much for that valuable club "membership". > > Cynicism will get you nowhere. > > Miark > he needs to have bit torrent and the bittorrent gui rpms installed, then click on mytorrent in what ever folder he saved it in. but if he wants to just be an unhappy bugger instead of asking for help, then I would not tell him a thing. ET > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 is out!
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 19:02, Aron Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 15:50, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 00:34, Aron Smith wrote: > > > do you have (shudder) Thiz Linux ? > > > > Frankly: never heard of itwhazdat? Drool!! > > > > HarM > It came with the box im running now It was lousey I can send it to you > if you send me your snailmail address > > > I have a pristine 2 disk set of redhat 5.2. > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Urgent help !!!!Installation of mandrake in compaq server
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 02:01, John Wilson wrote: > On October 13, 2003 08:59 pm, Rohit_Sundriyal wrote: > > Dear Group > > > > Is anybudy having experince in installing mandrake on compaq server .please > > provide me setp by setp installation notes if anybudy has done this befor > > on compaq servers. > > > First hint is not to send HTML mail cause a lot of people on the list filter > it out. :-) > > That said, they'll see you now and someone will answer :-) > > ttfn NEED more info... what model, cpu, mem, drives (raid?) controllers, etc. that question was like anyone ever drive a Oldsmobile? how do you do that? > > John > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] sensitive materials
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 04:05, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Tuesday 14 October 2003 05:21 am, Eric Huff wrote: > > > I'm wondering too : why all the hassle ? - Linux is safe in > > > itself. You have your own /home/anarky directory, and you > > > are the only one with permission to go there (aside from > > > root, who will be yourself, right ?). > > > > > > On the other hand, if you mean you'll leave your PC open > > > while doing something else and prevent others to snoop > > > around, why not just put your sensitive stuff in > > > /root/sensitive or something like that. Then only root (you) > > > has access. > > > > I have wanted the same thing because i am a little paranoid: > > what if my computer gets stolen? Then anyone who wants to be > > will be root... > > Yes, but there is no such thing as 100% security. But I doubt the > ordinary burglar has access to a linux boot disk - and the skill > to use it. My guess is, that he uses another popular OS, > uncapable to read a linux file system. To him, there's nothing > than gibberish on the disk. If you are paranoid, keep sensitive > material outside a PC, locked down in a safe in a locked and > guarded room. Booby-trap it and hope for the best. > > Regards > > Kaj haulrich. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6381 -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] sensitive materials
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 01:21, Eric Huff wrote: > > I'm wondering too : why all the hassle ? - Linux is safe in > > itself. You have your own /home/anarky directory, and you are > > the only one with permission to go there (aside from root, who > > will be yourself, right ?). > > > > On the other hand, if you mean you'll leave your PC open while > > doing something else and prevent others to snoop around, why not > > just put your sensitive stuff in /root/sensitive or something > > like that. Then only root (you) has access. > > I have wanted the same thing because i am a little paranoid: what if > my computer gets stolen? Then anyone who wants to be will be > root... it is possible, but not trivial, to use have your /home/anarky folder mounted as an encrypted file system, and long-in using pam. that way even if they steal your laptop, the files are safe. of course, if "They" realy want your files, they could install a custom login mangler that keeps (or sends) your login password and return the computer to you, then the next time you login, they would have the password, then they could ssh, or steal the computer. but it would be pretty safe from your local police (or wife) seeing your a,,, pictures. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT]The mad Russian's new response...
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:23, ed tharp wrote: > On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 19:51, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > > On Tuesday 14 October 2003 01:18, ed tharp wrote: > > > When they told me the 'user was notified', I told them they had a > > > week,,, I will bug them again, and so may you. > > > I use these 4 address, that I got from a "whois 81.211.47.3" > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > and get a reply from > > > > > > Yakovlev Sergy > > > Abuse Team > > > Sovintel > > > > > > at > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > I will write him right now and let him know it has not stopped. > > > > You mean we should "redirect" the sms@ messages to all those 4 I count 5 @ > boxe"s till > > they clog up, or just 1? > > > > good luck, > > HarM > > I would never suggest anything like that > > but if you do,,, say please in each letter -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT]The mad Russian's new response...
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 19:51, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > On Tuesday 14 October 2003 01:18, ed tharp wrote: > > When they told me the 'user was notified', I told them they had a > > week,,, I will bug them again, and so may you. > > I use these 4 address, that I got from a "whois 81.211.47.3" > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > and get a reply from > > > > Yakovlev Sergy > > Abuse Team > > Sovintel > > > > at > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I will write him right now and let him know it has not stopped. > > You mean we should "redirect" the sms@ messages to all those 4 boxe"s till > they clog up, or just 1? > > good luck, > HarM I would never suggest anything like that but if you do,,, say please in each letter -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT]The mad Russian's new response...
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 14:35, Charlie M. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > October 13, 2003 11:18 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > > On Monday 13 October 2003 19:03, Charlie M. wrote: > > > Is that all they're going to do after Ed sent them a nice message about > > > this problem? > > > > > > Charlie > > > > How about if we all redirected those sms messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > till they put an end to it. > > > > Good luck, > > HarM > > I wouldn't have even known the body of the auto-response was different had I > not been scoping the trash prior to flushing it. > > Setting a redirect filter to do that would imply I'm interested in trying to > help solve a (previously reported to the offending "network admins") 2 month > old mistake, and I'm not. For people that are paying for bandwidth on > restrictive plans I can see why it would be helpful though. Maybe I'll fiddle > about with POP filters and see what I come up with. Duplicate re-direct > responses maybe, or higher numbers. Bit of a floodhmmm > > Having them paying attention to the complaints they've already received would > be better though. They don't seem to care any more than the moron that > originally tried to set up the offending link on a PDA or cell phone. > > I apologize for wasting even more bandwidth by posting about it. > > Regards; > Charlie you could just send those 5 addresses I just gave all the messages you get, so then they will have all the information they need to be able to fix it... I know they would fix it, if they had all the information,,, don't you (recognize the sarcasm?)? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT]The mad Russian's new response...
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 13:03, Charlie M. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Received: from pd7mr1no.prod.shaw.ca > (pd7mr1no-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.144.128]) by l-daemon > (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) > with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, > 13 Oct 2003 10:53:54 -0600 (MDT) > Received: from pd7mi4no.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.149.117]) > by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) > with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (ORCPT [EMAIL PROTECTED]); Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:53:54 -0600 (MDT) > Received: from mandy.mts.ru (mandy.mts.ru [81.211.47.3]) > by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) > with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, > 13 Oct 2003 10:53:54 -0600 (MDT) > Received: from maeko.inside.mts.ru (maeko [192.168.10.3]) > by mandy.mts.ru with SMTP id h9DGpjI20449 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, > 13 Oct 2003 20:51:45 +0400 (MSD) > Received: (from SolarisServer [10.2.130.2]) > by maeko.inside.mts.ru (NAVGW 2.5.2.12) with SMTP id M2003101320535112760 for > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:53:51 +0400 > Received: from rtc_srv_nt.kaluga.mts ([10.2.130.1]) > by SolarisServer (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA09150for > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:53:52 +0300 (MSK) > Received: (from anydomain [10.2.131.4]) > by rtc_srv_nt.kaluga.mts (NAVGW 2.5.1.13) with SMTP id M2003101320535100098 > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:53:51 +0400 > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:53:51 +0400 > From: Sms Message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Can't deliver SM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-type: text/plain; > charset=windows-1251 > Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Status: R > X-Status: N > X-KMail-EncryptionState: > X-KMail-SignatureState: > > > The limit of e-mails for the number newbie has been reached. Try again > tomorrow. > > Is that all they're going to do after Ed sent them a nice message about this > problem? > > Charlie > - -- > Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org > Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk > 10:59:55 up 23 days, 22 min, 1 user, load average: 0.21, 0.10, 0.09 > Get Revenge! Live long enough to be a problem for your children! > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/itrgG11CaRuZZSIRApBUAJ9IoL6ksaIKiGqLGjVo7kqbES/jYgCgrLiM > LyYaAtcEeacPOScCuGxKHFI= > =ikpy > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > When they told me the 'user was notified', I told them they had a week,,, I will bug them again, and so may you. I use these 4 address, that I got from a "whois 81.211.47.3" [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] and get a reply from Yakovlev Sergy Abuse Team Sovintel at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I will write him right now and let him know it has not stopped. > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] annoying alarm on standby
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 12:13, Tom Brinkman wrote: > On Monday October 13 2003 10:16 am, Aidan & Kristy Holmes wrote: > > I don't think I have done any damage to the chip, as all seems to > > be running properly and reliably. I could easily have done in the > > early days though, I used to just let it run If I wasn't going to > > be near the computer for it to bug me...whoops :-) Lucky you > > guys pointed out the real problem. > > > > Thanks, > > Aidan Holmes, > > Western Australia. > > OK, good. At this point you should check that thermal pad. Often > they deteriorate over time, but as in your case, overheated cpu's > can almost instantly damage them. Get some thermal compound, and > then shut down the system, unplug it. Remove the heatsink by > releasing the spring clips on each side. Scrape off the (remnants) > of the pad. Both from the heatsink and from the cpu. Clean the > heatsink and fan. Apply a thin layer (about the thickness of a > sheet of paper) to the cpu and remount the heatsink. You can Google > for many links that illustrate all this with pictures. Should be > good to go from then on. Tom is 100% on on this, even it seems fine, for only a few bucks and a few minute, you cna save yourself a cpu. the heat will still shorten the life, even if it does not die this week, but you can make a world of difference, with a little thermal grease. > -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Disabling BIOS Shadow RAM and Installing MDK 9.1
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 08:54, The Other wrote: > 10/13/03 > > Hello All, from The Other > > A few of you may remember I've been trying to get a stable installation of > Mandrake 9.1 since May. > > Thanks to my niece for sending me a Debian distro 3.x with documentation. I > may have figured out what was going wrong all this time. > > The Debian documentation on installing the system was something like 120 > pages, of which the 10 or so about setting up before the installation begins > was the gem I needed. Explaining that the Linux kernel wants full control > of your computer and to disable just about everything the computer was > trying to manage led me to the following: > > Disable ALL Shadow RAM > > Sure enough, my BIOS was set to shadow some of the video RAM. I disabled > that and got a flawless, Gnome desktop only, installation of 9.1. > > Then I went into Mandrake Control Center and started loading in the other > packages I wanted. > > Here's where it gets a little worrying. > > On two separate occasions last night I got a frozen system when Logging Out > so I could immediately Log back In to see the newly installed programs show > up on the menus. this is wasted effort, the items will show up in the menu really soon anyway, without login and out. > When Logging back In, the left half of the CRT screen was > black and the right half was scrolling black/white pixels. Powering down > the system, restarting, and following the recovery prompts, got me back to a > working Bamboo system. > > Anyone know why the freeze-up?Is my system unstable?I'm still seeing > the beginning message during boot-up: BIOS Data Check Unsuccessful. > That continues to worry me a bit. > > Thanks All, it's nice to be back. > "The Other" Stephen Stubbs > Champaign, IL USA > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] archives search
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 08:44, C. Tresenriter wrote: > Has anyone been able to search the archives this past weekend? > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com try the ones at marc.theaimsgroup.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 07:44, Douglas Bainbridge wrote: > Hi Bryan, > > On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 19:15, Bryan Phinney wrote: > > > > ... > > Just because a > > company pursues goals that are not in my best interests and seeks to limit my > > choices to those that make them money does not make them evil, that is simply > > reality. Every human will try to make things work out best for himself, even > > if that sometimes is at the expense of others. That is just plain old > > self-interest and survival instinct. And, for better or worse, companies are > > run by ordinary humans. > > That is a very measured attitude; however, most (all?) societies > consider it in the common good to limit how far individuals or groups > can pursue self-interest at the expense of others checks and > balances, etc What worries me how MS seems able to ignore with > impunity checks that are applied to others. I will say "gluttony is a sin". _Demanding_ more than your 'fair share' is what I see as gluttony. > > > > Now, once our basic needs have been met, some of us my pursue our interests > > with more moderation than others, some may even be altruistic (if only for > > their own ego purposes) but I would not want to argue that someone wanting to > > make more money is necessarily evil. > > No,I don't know that anyone has said that so far. But the means, and the > end result of allowing them to pursue it unchecked, may be considered > extremely undesirable for society at large. > > > > > > > > > That doesn't mean that I would not resist someone trying to force me to use a > > product that is not in my best interest, just that I don't take it > > personally. > > Well,of course that's a personal matter.Some people may have had more > bruising experiences of this than you, perhaps, and might take it > differently. > > > DougB > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] grepping root?
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 01:11, Chuck Stuettgen wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 06:28, ed tharp wrote: > > > i have this one for a desktop > > > > "http://ed-tharp.is-a-geek.org/rootme.jpg"; > > > > > Nice! > > You must not be married, or else you have a very open minded spouse! > Yep. I would discuss this, but only on the OT list. > > > > __ -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?
On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 11:47, Bryan Phinney wrote: > On Sunday 12 October 2003 10:52 am, Douglas Bainbridge wrote: > > Further to my last post > > One of the things that I would ask everyone who accesses the IT 2003 and > Beyond article is that some of the interpretations of the author are just > that, interpretations. Without being privy to MS's actual strategic plans > over the next few years, it is impossible to know if that author's > interpretations about the business goals of MS are actually correct. The > technical plans have already been published, but as with all things, those > can be perceived in a favorable light or unfavorable light. > > Based upon interviews with Steve Ballmer, I think that I am understanding at > least one deviation in MS's plans and that is changing the fundamental idea > of a personal computer to become more like a game console (Xbox). The idea > would be that the PC becomes a closed box with OS and hardware integrated to > the point that they are inseparable (and not upgradeable). These PC's would > not be sold as general function devices but built and marketed for very > specific purposes. Kinda like the PSx Sony announced lately? > Thus, you buy a closed box PC sold as a Multimedia entertainment device. Much > like an Xbox but built for movies, music, windows media files, etc. But a > closed box that you can't really change the software out in. Download movies > on demand, play DVD's etc. All with Digital rights management, etc. built > right into the box, 5.1 or 6.1 sound, rights management for on demand, > encoding for pre-packaged music and movies. Yet another device is sold for > kids and children for homework, with web surfing, MSN, instant messaging, and > maybe light entertainment usage. Yet another device, Xbox, for game > purposes. Perhaps yet another device for home business, or home finance, > budgeting, records, correspondence, email, etc. > > Hopefully, you get the picture. By splitting up the market into smaller > segments and building closed boxes, MS gets to sell more copies of its > software, they close down loopholes that allow pirating or bypassing digital > rights management, and they insure that consumers will be upgrading every few > years, just like they now do with game consoles. With good volume, they can > get a price point that insures a lot of purchases, the entertainment industry > is happy, the game industry is happy, the hardware industry is happy and most > of all MS is happy. Stick that together with multiple manufacturers and > branding (multiple brands, GE, RCA, etc. even if they all have Intel chipsets > and MS software) and MS even dodges the Justice Dept. anti-trust bullet, > since the OS is integrated and consumers can't swap it out even if they want > to. Since the brand is different, any complaints about competition have to > be targeted to the brand manufacturers, not MS. > > Again, I do agree with a lot of the stuff in that article but I am not > convinced that anyone but Bill and Steve know the whole story about MS plans. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] annoying alarm on standby.
On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 07:03, Jerry Barton wrote: > On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:34:36 +0800 > Aidan Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Saturday 11 October 2003 11:33 pm, Charlie M. wrote: > > Thanks Jerry and Charlie for your responses. > > I am very new to linux, and so I wouldn't have a clue how to see if I have > > gkrellm and lm_sensors running, but I'll certainly explore and see what I can > > find.One more question for you, if it is a cpu overheating, I can > > understand it doing it after the computer has been on for a while, but why > > would it stop again once i press a button on the keyboard to start working > > again?? just a guess, the fan is spinning down to save power, but the CPU is not going all the way to sleep. (zombies?) > That sounds like something to do with APM (power saving mode). It could still be > the fan though. If it's dirty/going out it still could be the cause. Better to > replace a 15 dollar fan than a processor (and the stock fans that come with most > computers are really crap anyway). > I just know what worked for me. Best of luck with it, Aidan. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?
On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 09:27, HaywireMac wrote: > On 11 Oct 2003 09:02:21 -0400 > ed tharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > > > I wonder if business will pick up for AMD? > > > > > > I believe AMD has agreed to incorporate Palladium as well. > > > > http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/03/05/19/226213.shtml?tid=126 > > Sorry, does it mention AMD in there somewhere? no, just that it won't matter what x86 platform you are on -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] something like autoexec.bat??
On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 03:14, Michael Adams wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:05:10 +0200 > "Johan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > Does linux use the same type of file as autoexec.bat in dos/win to > > perform some operations on startup. > > I would appreciate some input here please. > > Maybe some example? > > Thanks > > Johan > > > > Late post, sorry. > > The system loads the kernal and all its modules then runs init using the > info it finds in /etc/inittab. This file is text and mostly human > readable. As with most config files comment lines start with #. > > Once the system has read which mode (0 to 6) it is meant to start into > then it goes to the relevant folder and reads each file in numeric > order. > - Thus if it is starting in graphics mode (5), it looks into > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/ and runs these files in order. Each is a > shell script and mainly they each run further scripts found in > /etc/rc.d/init.d/ > > Pay particular attention to the last one in the directory. > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99local Read this one if you wish to add to the > startup. > > Also note that /etc/rc5.d/ is a link to /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/ (windows > refugees read "shortcut") and /etc/init.d/ is a link to > /etc/rc.d/init.d/. These are not there for your convenience really but > for backwards compatability. > > All taken together they equate to autoexec.bat and win.ini but allow > more flexibility. You could if you wish have several new rcX.d > directories which allow you to start / stop / restart in different > modes. You only need to append the new ones to /etc/inittab in the > apropriate place, create (or copy) the rc7.d directory and edit. To > switch from one mode to another type "init X" with "X" being the mode > you wish to switch too. The more useful ones are > 0 = shutdown > 1 = single user startup > 3 = command line startup > 5 = normal graphics startup > 6 = reboot > > Most of the tricks performed by webmin and other config GUI tools > rewrite these startup scripts. > > Also in a terminal type:- > man man > man init > man dmesg > > Purists will probably have a far more thorough explanation but these are > the main startup script files. Things that get loaded into the kernal > during its boot phase enter into the realm of FM, and i don't pretend to > understand this fully (read/var/log/dmesg to see what happens then). > > > HTH a bit much for a newbie tho -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT M$ is accepting responsibility?
On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 08:26, HaywireMac wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:06:21 -0700 > Barry Premeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > I wonder if business will pick up for AMD? > > I believe AMD has agreed to incorporate Palladium as well. http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/03/05/19/226213.shtml?tid=126 -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[12]: [newbie] Thought MS was scary enough? Nope.
On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 20:44, rikona wrote: > Hello Aron, > > Friday, October 10, 2003, 4:15:06 PM, you wrote: > > >> AS> On my first box (Altair 8080) you had to load a 512 byte > >> program (in hex AS> by hand), which gave Dumbo enough smarts to > >> read the paper tape Then you AS> could load a program. > >> > >> I remember. Was that tape Bill's Basic, perchance? :-) > AS> Tom Pitmans Ity Bity Basic 4K total > > You have a long history of not supporting M$, I guess. :-) as I recall, it was altair's and heath's basic that billy was first stealing. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] newbie trouble with installing a program
On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 04:21, Merlin Zener wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 08:22, Greg Meyer wrote: > > On Wednesday 08 October 2003 06:41 pm, Merlin Zener wrote: > > > I'm guessing I'm probably missing something obvious and basic here, but > > > > There is a prebuilt package for dia in the Mandrake distribution. Just use > > rpmdrake or urpmi from the command line to install it. > > > > # urpmi dia > > installing /mnt/dist/9.1/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/dia-0.90-5mdk.i586.rpm > > > > Preparing...## > >1:dia## > > > > I tried that, but it just hangs. > , , q, exit, nothing seems to bring it back to life. I > have to shut down the terminal window and log back in again. wait 30 mins, and see if you don't have some further info on screen, and the problem will be gone, and the software installed > -- > Merlin Zener > Piano, Synthesizer > Thailand. > > registered Linux user number 328618 > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] avi re-code
On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 03:44, Raffaele Belardi wrote: > thanks to all, I'm into some studying now! > > raffaele > cinelerra > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:25:29 +0200 > > Raffaele Belardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>I have an AVI movie split in two disks (600Mb each). I would like to > >>re-encode it to fit in a single 600Mb disk. Any hints on the tools I > >>should use? > >> > >>thanks > >> > >>raffaele > > > > > > Mencoder (from MPlayer) .. but it takes quite a bit of reading to know what you > > are doing ... check the docs from MPlayer, as reencoding is discussed somewhere > > in there ;-) > > > > > > Greetings > > Ralph > > -- > > http://axljab.homelinux.org/ > > "...the software said Win95 or better, so I installed Linux" > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Thought MS was scary enough? Nope.
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 17:42, Aron Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 11:38, rikona wrote: > > Hello HaywireMac, > > > > Thursday, October 9, 2003, 4:58:29 AM, you wrote: > > > > H> Good to know, thanks. Still, it is important to keep a wary eye on > > H> MS, Big Media, and hardware vendors. If they see Linux as a threat > > H> to their hegemony, there's no telling what they might attempt. > > > > True. Suppose there is nothing at all on the MB except an encrypted > > flash that responds only to the M$ key? That would sure 'protect us' > > now, wouldn't it? :-((( What could we do? > Reprogram the flash and optimise for a linux kernal > some one would do it and have it on the net within 2 days of it > happining. > > > > H> So what if I can run Linux as my OS if all I can do with it is play > > H> Frozen Bubble...? > > > > Authorization will be our downfall. It is also the best way for M$ to > > control the net. This is the thing to watch out for. Note that the > > draconian laws also address this issue, and will make it tough to get > > around. can you imagine a world were the IP was safe from M$ ever stealing it and hiding it in some binary and calling it theirs? > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] grepping root?
crazy top poster! thanks try it now, had a power surge this morn, and got a new IP from dhcp, that was not allowed thru the router... should be right now... thanks again i have this one for a desktop > > > > > > > > "http://ed-tharp.is-a-geek.org/rootme.jpg"; > > > > > > Pitty your server sees to be down ;-) > > > 500 Server Error, from both Moz and Konq - tried both, as I sometimes > get different results - no idea why! > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] something like autoexec.bat??
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 16:37, Paul wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 22:05, Johan wrote: > > Hi, > > Does linux use the same type of file as autoexec.bat in dos/win to perform > > some operations on startup. > > I would appreciate some input here please. > > Maybe some example? > > Look into /etc/rc.local. That is where you can add startup-stuff. > Paul and maybe /etc/rc.d/rc.local -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Listing of Companies that Use Linux
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 17:54, Miark wrote: > These are the ones I've noticed lately: > > Munich government in Germany > Chinese government is switches tens of thousands of boxes to Linux > Department of Homeland Security runs Oracle on Linux > Oracle themselves converted their whole infrastructure to Linux > The City of Houston, Texas. > Amazon.com > Sherwin-Williams > Verizon's programmers work on Linux boxes > The state of Massachusetts is moving to Open Source. > Korea will be Linux-ized by 2007. > the NSA, and spies everywhere > Miark > > > > On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:16:31 -0400, HaywireMac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Just for the sake of debate, has someone come upon a list of companies > > that employ Linux desktops in the enterprise? > > > > I have done some Googling, but so far just come up with the usual > > stories about Ford going with Linux for server apps and such, but I'm > > looking for hardcore evidence of Linux distros making it into the > > enterprise desktop market. > > > > Thanks, and I will post anything I *do* find here. > > > > -- > > HaywireMac > > Registered Linux user #282046 > > Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org > > ++ > > Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org > > ++ > > One learns to itch where one can scratch. > > -- Ernest Bramah > > > > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 08:37, Tom Brinkman wrote: > On Thursday October 9 2003 01:50 am, Aron Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 22:55, HaywireMac wrote: > > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:21:57 -0500 > > > > > > Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > > Nobody will bite your head off ... > > > > > > that's nonsense and you know it. > > > > awww just because... > >Ironically, just after I posted this request to move OT traffic > to the OT list now I can't post to MdkOT. All my posts > eventually get returned with > > Message from yahoo.com. > Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Sorry, I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection. (#4.4.1) > I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too > long. > > > It's a damn shame the only DSL connection I can get is SBC- > Yahoo. Yahoo sux, but they handle my mail and I'm stuck with that. damn shame I guess that explains why you did not have something to say about "http://ed-tharp.is-a-geek.org/tombrinkmannascar.jpg";... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 15:18, Tom Brinkman wrote: > On Thursday October 9 2003 01:01 pm, ed tharp wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 08:37, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > > On Thursday October 9 2003 01:50 am, Aron Smith wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 22:55, HaywireMac wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:21:57 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > > > > Nobody will bite your head off ... > > > > > > > > > > that's nonsense and you know it. > > > > > > > > awww just because... > > > > > >Ironically, just after I posted this request to move OT > > > traffic to the OT list now I can't post to MdkOT. All my > > > posts eventually get returned with > > > > > > Message from yahoo.com. > > > Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Sorry, I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection. (#4.4.1) > > > I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue > > > too long. > > > > > > > > > It's a damn shame the only DSL connection I can get is SBC- > > > Yahoo. Yahoo sux, but they handle my mail and I'm stuck with > > > that. > > > > damn shame I guess that explains why you did not have something > > to say about > > "http://ed-tharp.is-a-geek.org/tombrinkmannascar.jpg";... > >I did, I asked if that was your wife sittin next to me ;ppp > >It failed to get thru tho ;( I figured you were the guy in the red hat, 3 rows in front of Hairy. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] grepping root?
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 08:26, Ralph Slooten wrote: > On 09 Oct 2003 07:28:42 -0400 > ed tharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i have this one for a desktop > > > > "http://ed-tharp.is-a-geek.org/rootme.jpg"; > > Pitty your server sees to be down ;-) > > Greetings > Ralph > -- > http://axljab.homelinux.org/ > "...the software said Win95 or better, so I installed Linux" Really?? I see no sign it went down. what message do you get? is it still down? thanks for the info -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Windows Must be Stopped
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 14:41, rikona wrote: > Hello Tom, > > Thursday, October 9, 2003, 8:37:48 AM, you wrote: > > > TB> I can only wonder if I might have showed up in SBC's logs as > TB> receiving infected email from Winsux users. > > Perhaps someone spoofed your address and SBC doesn't know/care who > really sent it. do you run Squid? open proxy comes to mind. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Listing of Companies that Use Linux
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 12:16, HaywireMac wrote: > Just for the sake of debate, has someone come upon a list of companies > that employ Linux desktops in the enterprise? > > I have done some Googling, but so far just come up with the usual > stories about Ford going with Linux for server apps and such, but I'm > looking for hardcore evidence of Linux distros making it into the > enterprise desktop market. > > Thanks, and I will post anything I *do* find here. Boeing. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] grepping root?
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 03:50, Liechti wrote: > how to grep a root? > http://www.codershome.org/Linux%20Mandrake%20Girl.jpg i have this one for a desktop "http://ed-tharp.is-a-geek.org/rootme.jpg"; Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Thought MS was scary enough? Nope.
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 02:16, HaywireMac wrote: > On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 14:24:47 -0700 > rikona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > Try to spread the word: check carefully and NEVER buy any computer > > with a Phoenix BIOS. > > Unfortunately, this may be spreading beyond Phoenix: > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/developer/0,39020387,2130826,00.htm > > Quote: > > "Intel predicted the end of one of the last remnants of the original IBM > PC, at the Intel Developer Forum in San Jose this week. For more than > twenty years, the PC has relied on the BIOS (Basic Input Output System), > a small set of fixed software subroutines normally built into a chip on > the motherboard. This hangover from a distant past is causing more and > more problems, said Mark Doran, the principal engineer behind the > Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) project that aims to humanely kill > the antique." > > and the scary part: > > "Because it gives a new level of control over the hardware, it's also of > interest to digital rights management and security designers." > > >shudder< GNU-Linux has for a long time been able to work around bios settings, and not even use the bios for a lot of things, including hard drive access and settings (ie; hdparm over riding what ever the bios says) Trusted Computing is on the way, and Linux will be able to handle it too, in a kernel module form, I think. good write up about it in Linux Journal (aug,2003) -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT
On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 20:47, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Wednesday 08 October 2003 07:00 am, ed tharp wrote: > > >>> whack > > > Hopefully no one is arguing to move any discussion that is not > > completely tech to OT right away. > > Thanks for the opening, since I just had an odd thought: If someone starts an > on-topic thread on the off-topic list, do they get flamed? > -- cmg depends on how you call 'flame'. you might get offered to repost it on the tech list,,, but how can you know what is on-topic if the list is OT, and I won't discuss this any further unless its on the OT list... cause its OT. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] why I can't insert a new OS in my LILO menu ??
let me put it up top so Flavio might see it I guess it means you better post your /etc/lilo.conf cause you don't have the right hdyx (here y is a letter for the drive position on the ide bus, and the x is a number for a partition. your error might be any part of /etc/lilo.conf, so post the whole thing. On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 22:36, Aron Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 19:27, ed tharp wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 07:10, Flávio Henrique wrote: > > > On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 00:52, yankl wrote: > > > > On Thursday 09 October 2003 04:46 am, Flávio Henrique wrote: > > > > > Hi... > > > > > I'm very newbie in Linux and I have a problem to make something here... > > > > > > > > > > After install Mandrake 9.1 in my hd, I bring another with win98 already > > > > > have and install it... > > > > > > > > > > I trying to insert the win98 in LILO menu but it does not work... > > > > > > > > > > The hd that have md9.1 is hdc6 and the other, that have win98, is > > > > > hdd1... > > > > > > > > > > What I did: > > > > > Configuration -> KDE -> System -> Boot Manager (LILO) > > > > > in the second page (OS), Add another SO: > > > > > boot disk = /dev/hdd1 > > > > > label = windows98 > > > > > Ok -> Ok... > > > > > even do that, the option to enter in windows98 does not show in LILO > > > > > menu... > > > > > > > > > > What I miss or what I did wrong ?? > > > > > > > > > > thanx in advance... > > > > > > > > > > Flávio Henrique > > > > Go to the command line and as root run lilo command: > > > > #su > > > > #lilo > > > > > > After type lilo I receive a following message: > > > Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed > > > Fatal: Not a number: "padrã" > > > and nothing happens... > > > > > > Flávio Henrique > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it means you better post your /etc/lilo.conf cause you don't > > > have the right hdyx (here y is a letter for the drive position on the > > > ide bus, and the x is a number for a partition. I don't think you are > > > gonna get win9x on without it being on the first partition of the > > > first drive on the first IDE bus, ie hda1 or maybe hda5. > I seem to remember something about Win9x insisting that it be first > because of a nasty habit of rewriting the boot sector. > > > __ > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] SMS message
The SMS message problem should be going away, I got this , this morning. User informed. Yakovlev Sergy Abuse Team Sovintel -Original Message- From: ed tharp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 6:03 PM To: ru1; Lyadovoy, Sergey; Noc; ru4 Subject: [Fwd: Short Message delivery report] please end this, and thank you for the previous reply -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT
On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 05:50, Lee Wiggers wrote: > On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:50:29 -0700 > John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On October 7, 2003 06:11 am, Margot wrote: > > > > > That's what I see in the OT also. Mostly long winded radicals, > pseudo-intellectuals, and a few good people. All looking for an > argument or trying to change my mind about something that is simply > none of their business. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way it > comes off. > > This list has been > > Quips 'n Quotes. A good natured barb now and then. A little repartee > and the occasional windbag who needs to take it to OT. > > Above all, this list has been a friend to every newcomer and the > members stumble over each other trying to help. > > In short, this list kept me on mdk. Nothing else but this list. > > If I'm in the mood for an anal retentive old fashioned Linux > superior being, I go to Expert. If I want friendly help on any mdk > problem, I look here. > > If a question didn't get answered here, nobody had the answer. > > Simple > > Lee > > > I think Lee has just offered a huge compliment to everyone here and to the folks who keep the long winded radicals, pseudo-intellectuals, postings on the OT list, since it would sure make newbie not such a friendly place. thank them for the respect to keep it off newbie. On of the problems with any thread that wants to keep the signal to noise ratio limited is that, the thread about 'limiting bandwidth waste' wastes the most bandwidth with everyone agreeing. _I_ promise to let this thread die too, if everyone else will... both lists should take a second and pat themselves on the back. Hopefully no one is arguing to move any discussion that is not completely tech to OT right away. > > -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] why I can't insert a new OS in my LILO menu ??
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 07:10, Flávio Henrique wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 00:52, yankl wrote: > > On Thursday 09 October 2003 04:46 am, Flávio Henrique wrote: > > > Hi... > > > I'm very newbie in Linux and I have a problem to make something here... > > > > > > After install Mandrake 9.1 in my hd, I bring another with win98 already > > > have and install it... > > > > > > I trying to insert the win98 in LILO menu but it does not work... > > > > > > The hd that have md9.1 is hdc6 and the other, that have win98, is > > > hdd1... > > > > > > What I did: > > > Configuration -> KDE -> System -> Boot Manager (LILO) > > > in the second page (OS), Add another SO: > > > boot disk = /dev/hdd1 > > > label = windows98 > > > Ok -> Ok... > > > even do that, the option to enter in windows98 does not show in LILO > > > menu... > > > > > > What I miss or what I did wrong ?? > > > > > > thanx in advance... > > > > > > Flávio Henrique > > Go to the command line and as root run lilo command: > > #su > > #lilo > > After type lilo I receive a following message: > Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed > Fatal: Not a number: "padrã" > and nothing happens... > > Flávio Henrique > > > > I guess it means you better post your /etc/lilo.conf cause you don't > have the right hdyx (here y is a letter for the drive position on the > ide bus, and the x is a number for a partition. I don't think you are > gonna get win9x on without it being on the first partition of the > first drive on the first IDE bus, ie hda1 or maybe hda5. > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 07:05, Lee Wiggers wrote: > On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 03:57:57 -0600 > "Charlie M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > October 7, 2003 02:44 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: > > > Well it's 4:30 in the morning. I used to be able to scan the > > > list, note some light banter basically wrapped around mdk, > > > mostly one liners exchanged by a few friends ready to jump when > > > the occasional serious question came down the road. > > > > > > Apparently that's gone now. > > > > > > Everyone happy? > > > > > > I don't see much point in sticking around either, frankly. > > > > > > Lee > > > > Some of us only get to scan the posts early in the morning or late > > at night. Same thing maybe? Others get so busy at their regular > > "earn a living" tasks they vanish for days at a time. > > > > The list seems to cycle between insane traffic levels, and a slow > > idle routinely Lee. > > > > This too shall pass. (-; > > > > Stick around, things will pick up again as soon as everyone can > > get 9.2 and start trying to break it. > > > > Regards; > > Charlie > > - -- > > Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org > > Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk > > 03:53:41 up 16 days, 17:15, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.24, 0.25 > > "His eyes were cold. As cold as the bitter winter snow that was > > falling outside. Yes, cold and therefore difficult to chew..." > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE/go4lG11CaRuZZSIRAgpnAKCIXdZmu4/vj9/YofM44wj/E3UZfwCgpl6n > > vlOCbBMcZJBtoneURywK8Zw= > > =tPHe > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > > > > Maybe, but I suspect they've been sent to list prison for daring to > have a bit of fun in a basically technical neighborhood. > > Lee no 'list prison' but in an effort to keep the 'signal to noise ratio' down, some of the banter has been moved over to the OT list, where everyone is welcome. http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 15:44, robin wrote: > Daryl Johnson wrote: > > >On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 1:59 pm, robin wrote: > > > > > >>Anne Wilson wrote: > >> > >> > >>>On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 12:51 pm, ed tharp wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>So any suggestions? > >>>> > >>>> > > > >How about suggesting that anti-Ms messages are forbidden? They seem to waste > >a lot of bandwidth wilth posters aiming to prove their linux credentials by > >dissing the alpha male. > > > That's not bad as a general rule, but I still think there is a place for > MS-related posts when there is a relevance to Linux/OSS, as in the case > of the Phoenix BIOS post. > > BTW, please delete the reply-to field in your mail client! > > Sir Robin Just so long as I don't have to acknowledge any M$ product as 'the alpha male'. I might even go so far as "anti-anything" messages should be kept to the barest possible minimum. lets work for 'positive' and pro-active solutions -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Registered Linux User No.293302
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 12:52, M J Pipkin wrote: > Please do not send me any more newbie spam. As a registered user, Anne > Wilson, perhaps you would be so kind as to ensure my privacy is not further > invaded with unwanted Mandrake Newbie mail. > > I would appreciate some professionalism in your honouring an individual's > right to be excluded from receiving unwanted mail (spam). Well M J Pipkin... let's see, how can I put this... How do _you_ define spam? By my definition, (unwanted e-mail, that was not ever requested, and has no value to the receiver) you have spammed the Mandrake newbie list. Since someone with your e-mail address has signed up and sent a confirmation that they signed up. it becomes the responsibility of the person at that e-mail address to correct the subscription. I know I wrote you a very nice letter explaining it when you first _spammed_ me with your auto reply. to paraphase yourself perhaps you would be so kind as to ensure my privacy and bandwidth is not further invaded with unwanted _your_ auto-responders Newbie mail. I would love to have everyone else that has responded to MJ Pipkin to post those responses on the OT list, since I know most of any response would have been sent direct to MJ, since his reply to address is set for it's self and not the lists. I wonder how everyone else handled this... ET Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Short Message delivery report
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 11:42, Greg Meyer wrote: > On Sunday 05 October 2003 10:34 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 3:28 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: > > > Does anyone have any idea why I get this message every time I post > > > to newbie? Is anybody else getting it? > > > > > We all are. We have been trying to get rid of that one for several > > weeks now. > > Someone must have subscribed from the address [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then > deleted the account. I wonder, who at MandrakeSoft is list admin and can see > if that address is subscribed? NOpe. That address is an internal server. the only address that resolves to and outside IP is mandy.mts.ru ([81.211.47.3]) a whois on that provided whois 81.211.47.3 % This is the RIPE Whois server. % The objects are in RPSL format. % % Rights restricted by copyright. % See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyright.html inetnum: 81.211.47.0 - 81.211.47.255 netname: SOVINTEL-MTS-NET descr:Moscow Russia descr:ID-6069, OJSC Mobile TeleSystems country: RU admin-c: VK229-RIPE tech-c: VK229-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA mnt-by: SOVINTEL-MNT notify: [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20030505 source: RIPE route:81.211.0.0/17 descr:EDN Sovintel origin: AS8773 mnt-by: SOVINTEL-MNT changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20021104 source: RIPE person: Victor Krasnov address: CJSC "Mobile TeleSystems" address: 4, Marksistskaia address: 109147, Moscow phone:+7 095 7653209 fax-no: +7 095 7660040 nic-hdl: VK229-RIPE changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19971114 source: RIPE I would _never_ suggest that anyone think about forwarding any of the SMS errors to the ISP contacts for that IP. Especially since they are not native English speakers. But only the ISP can ID who is sending the messages to the server, and is the only way any one can figure out just who is attempting to follow this list on their beeper or cell phone. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?
and as a note,,, this discussion will continue on the OT list. A good suggestion was already posted by Sir Robin, and I thought it was worth repeating, (and since I was already going to post that this tread should be continued over there) ; " I saw a documentary which included footage of research done on couples' arguments. The couples who were classed as having stable relationships with a good chance of long-term success argued quite a lot, but in there arguments there was a ratio of around five positive comments to one negative one. So if we want to make a list a more pleasant place to be, we should remember to post when we agree as well as when we disagree, especially if the other person is in the other political camp. " but lets keep a lot of the I agree or me too to the OT list too. Thanks ET Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 07:51, ed tharp wrote: > First please don't shoot me for posting this in more than one list. > > I am seeing more and more post like this on newbie. > > My patience with newbie is wearing somewhat thin too. I find myself > frequently just marking all messages as read without reading them > because so many are OT of just personal conversations. > > AND > > > I'm sorry, but there is a limit as to how long any of us can tolerate > deliberate bad manners. You have wasted our time and bandwidth with > arguing something that should have been simply accepted as a requirement > of this list - a voluntary mutual help list. > > I know I am as guilty as anyone. > > ?Maybe we on the OT list should make an effort to not chase off so > many folks that do not agree with our political views? > > > or maybe just asking Haywire to return on his better behavior, or > replying to Stephens Kuhn's and Haywire's posts here, and only with a > note that teh reply is over here to save bandwidth? that 'here' is referring to the OT list at; mdw1982.dyndns.org List-Subscribe: <http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/pipermail/mandrakeot/> > > I also have previously invited some other friends, that are in Spain, > that were pretty helpful for the couple of weeks they could stand the > newbie list, but they too were run off by the bandwidth waste (or signal > to noise ratio) on Newbie. But you don't really hear about how many left > because they could not deal with the volume. (kinda like how unhappy > customers are less likely to complain than just go shop somewhere else) > > So any suggestions? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCP software
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 07:59, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 12:37 pm, Ronan O'Hart wrote: > > Hi there > > > > Can anyone recomend a SCP program simular to WinSCP please. > > > > Thanks > > It's likely that none of us know SCP. What is it? > > Anne scp is secure copy and the winscp is the copy from 'man scp' scp copies files between hosts on a network. It uses ssh(1) for data transfer, and uses the same authentication and provides the same security as ssh(1). Unlike rcp(1), scp will ask for passwords or passphrases if they are needed for authentication. Any file name may contain a host and user specification to indicate that the file is to be copied to/from that host. Copies between two remote hosts are permitted. END of copy and 'man scp' can be your friend -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?
First please don't shoot me for posting this in more than one list. I am seeing more and more post like this on newbie. My patience with newbie is wearing somewhat thin too. I find myself frequently just marking all messages as read without reading them because so many are OT of just personal conversations. AND I'm sorry, but there is a limit as to how long any of us can tolerate deliberate bad manners. You have wasted our time and bandwidth with arguing something that should have been simply accepted as a requirement of this list - a voluntary mutual help list. I know I am as guilty as anyone. ?Maybe we on the OT list should make an effort to not chase off so many folks that do not agree with our political views? or maybe just asking Haywire to return on his better behavior, or replying to Stephens Kuhn's and Haywire's posts here, and only with a note that teh reply is over here to save bandwidth? I also have previously invited some other friends, that are in Spain, that were pretty helpful for the couple of weeks they could stand the newbie list, but they too were run off by the bandwidth waste (or signal to noise ratio) on Newbie. But you don't really hear about how many left because they could not deal with the volume. (kinda like how unhappy customers are less likely to complain than just go shop somewhere else) So any suggestions? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 08:33, John Richard Smith wrote: snipped all sorts of content, but you won't miss it > I'm concerned that at some stage we will encounter technobabble answers > we don't know how to question and counter. It's not the MEP's one has to > be concerned about, they know nothing , and are even more ignorant of > these things than the average list member. It's after the MEP's start > challenging the highly paid technical experts . These fellows will be > paid by the industries and vested interest groups who seek this > legislation . They are well paid full time patent/software types who > know how to argue their case for themselves to an extent that will pull > wool over legislators eyes, and I'm just aware that as they present > their case they will have to be countered with just as strong counter > arguements . It does not matter, once the MEPs catch on that this is something a simple person who is paying attention, but may not spell like an master of Modern English Literature, or format documents like an attorney (kinda like the average person driving) they will either begin to show interest, or (more likely, imo) try to figure out how they can make money on this too, and if they are only interested in how _they_ profit, there might not be any point. other than to learn who those pols are and not vote for them again. > Still at least the politicions in Europe will know that > there are concerned people out there, voters, who need to be persuaded > of change, so at least that much helps, but at the end of the day you > need good technical based counter arguements to persuade the legislators > to rewrite their law. or good legal based, or profit based. if they need tech answers, be honest, and say "that is not _my_ area of expertise, but I can get someone who is a true expert in that area who will answer your questions, as well as can be". How could your MEP begin to know if he was being bullshitted anyway, he does not know the 'right' answers if it is that technical anyway? > Incidentally, I just know at some stage we are going to have the > arguement for patenting code thrown at us because they will say the > Americans allow it. Is that really true, or is that just throwing sand > in the works ? I suggest you offer that 'just because the Americans do it' is a poor reason for anything, and leave that at that. > Also, The whole point about patenting code is that it prevents anyone > else from creating their own version, whereas if I have understood this > correctly, while someone may own copywrite of their piece of computer > code , there is nothing to stop anyone else from writing their own > independently produced version of that code. So by way of example , > Robert Louis Stevenson may of written Treasure Island but there is > nothing to prevent another Author from writing another Book called > Treasure Island with a similar story , provided it is writen as a fresh > novel and in his own words, and not just a carbon copy of Stevenson version. not quite. there is nothing to prevent someone else writing a book about buried treasure, islands, and a peg leg ship capt. so there should not be a patent on writing a bit of code to send out a fax from a PS document just not everyone can call it 'hylafax'. but it would be wrong to not allow any one else to have the right to use the idea of a blinking text in a web page, while it is fine to prevent the blinking text from being the text of 'RLS's Treasure Island' (Treasure island may not be the best example as I believe it is in the public domain, therefor not copyright protected any longer). Can't hurt. If anyone in the EU has a lug in their area, amybe copying a few links from this thread and forwarding them around might be a nice idea too. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 07:30, HaywireMac wrote: > On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:20:27 +0100 > Margot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > stereotypical unwashed geeks > > Hey, I just took a shower the other day... that was March 12. 1998 -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 16:07, Aron Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 12:49, robin wrote: > > ed tharp wrote: > > > > >On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 11:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >>including > > >> > > >> > > >>>ones who work for anti-virus companies. Jack Clarke, European > > >>> > > >>> > > >>product > > >> > > >> > > >>>manager at McAfee, said, "So we will be seeing more Linux > > >>> > > >>> > > >>viruses as the > > >> > > >> > > >>>OS becomes more common and popular." > > >>> > > >>>Mr. Clarke is wrong." > > >>> > > >>>Source: > > >>> > > >>>http://securityfocus.com/columnists/188 > > >>> > > >>>-- > > >>> > > >>> > > >>i'll offer a slightly different take... i believe we will in time > > >>see more efforts at virii for linux/os x/ > > >>as they become more popular simply because there are those who > > >>enjoy seeing what holes they can find or simply enjoy destroying > > >>for destruction's sake. but i believe it will simply be more > > >>effort - not more successful virii, especially as long as > > >>updating is as (usually) painless as it is now. linux will > > >>eventually have it's own crises to deal with as new areas are > > >>discovered and explored. some may well bring linux downa notch > > >>or two, but this community has the benefit of open communication > > >>and remarkably fast response; any attack should be a short blip > > >>on the radar before it fades and we all move on. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >I don't think soo.. > > >http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since the modifications the NSA make are Open Source, this means > > that in effect we have some of the cleverest and most paranoid > > programmers on our side. Beats McAfee any day. > They are so sneaky ...they claim that they don't exist > > and you can't find them either Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 16:46, John Richard Smith wrote: > Margot wrote: > > > John Richard Smith wrote: > > > >> I forward to this list , for members perusal, a copy of an email I > >> have just sent to all my local East Midlands UK MEP's (Member of the > >> European Parliament) concering the patenting of software code. I will > >> let you know what if any reply I get. > >> > >> John > >> > > > > > > Well done John - so you've done UK East Midlands, I've done UK South > > East - anyone here from other UK regions, or other EU countries? > > > > Margot > > Yep, I've started the ball rolling , but quite honestly I'm going to > find it difficult to argue the technical aspects of the arguement. We > will need help in that regard. please note. > > John I do not believe it is the tech aspects your Government is the least bit concerned with, as long as the common man is not aware, then they are not aware, when the common spoken person speaks up, then they become more attuned to what is being said. especially in an area with so many paid experts of differing opinions/factoids. not every letter that gets counted is in perfect form. just my $.02USD worth -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 10:25, Trevor Rhodes wrote: > Ed, > > > but I have not gotten anything from MJ this morning, anyone else still > > getting them? > > Not as yet, but I´m still getting the SMS message one though. > > Regards > Trevor Rhodes I would _never_ suggest that anyone attempt to get the attention of an ISP by using the 'whois' contact names and forwarding each piece of spam (autoreply) to their email addresses, but my checking of the only IP number in the headers that was not a restricted address (81.211.47.3) gives me a couple of addresses to forward all my SMS messages and headers to. % This is the RIPE Whois server. % The objects are in RPSL format. % % Rights restricted by copyright. % See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyright.html inetnum: 81.211.47.0 - 81.211.47.255 netname: SOVINTEL-MTS-NET descr:Moscow Russia descr:ID-6069, OJSC Mobile TeleSystems country: RU admin-c: VK229-RIPE tech-c: VK229-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA mnt-by: SOVINTEL-MNT notify: [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20030505 source: RIPE route:81.211.0.0/17 descr:EDN Sovintel origin: AS8773 mnt-by: SOVINTEL-MNT changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20021104 source: RIPE person: Victor Krasnov address: CJSC "Mobile TeleSystems" address: 4, Marksistskaia address: 109147, Moscow phone:+7 095 7653209 fax-no: +7 095 7660040 nic-hdl: VK229-RIPE changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19971114 source: RIPE so lets see, if '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', and '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' are good addresses? no bounce yet... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is target because of market share? WRONG.
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 11:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > including > >ones who work for anti-virus companies. Jack Clarke, European > product > >manager at McAfee, said, "So we will be seeing more Linux > viruses as the > >OS becomes more common and popular." > > > >Mr. Clarke is wrong." > > > >Source: > > > >http://securityfocus.com/columnists/188 > > > >-- > > i'll offer a slightly different take... i believe we will in time > see more efforts at virii for linux/os x/ > as they become more popular simply because there are those who > enjoy seeing what holes they can find or simply enjoy destroying > for destruction's sake. but i believe it will simply be more > effort - not more successful virii, especially as long as > updating is as (usually) painless as it is now. linux will > eventually have it's own crises to deal with as new areas are > discovered and explored. some may well bring linux downa notch > or two, but this community has the benefit of open communication > and remarkably fast response; any attack should be a short blip > on the radar before it fades and we all move on. > I don't think soo.. http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 09:54, Aron Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 06:45, HaywireMac wrote: > > On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 06:45:28 -0700 > > Aron Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > > > would it be possible to introduce Mr. Pippy to Mr. SMS ? > > > > That could possibly create a loop so powerful so as to create an > > infinite singularity, imploding the universe and ending existence. > > > > Wait til I finish my coffee, okay? > And the Hee-Haw Memorial Paul Dirac award goes to > but I have not gotten anything from MJ this morning, anyone else still getting them? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 09:31, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Friday 03 Oct 2003 10:38 am, HaywireMac wrote: > > On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:07:13 +0300 > > > > Robin Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > I replied, somewhat brusquely: > > > > I doubt you could out-brusque me... ;-) I called him "Pippy". > > > > Anyhow, I think it is an automated response, prolly a bounce. > > > > Best just to /dev/null it. > > This highlights the danger of setting up an automatic bounce or > reject, without sufficient monitoring. He/she had to sign up in the > first place. If there was any reasonable monitoring it would quickly > be noticed that list traffic was being affected. > > However, there have been several cases where it has been obvious that > people have not realised what they were signing up for. I wonder if > it is time we considered asking MandrakeSoft to add to the sign-up > invitation the fact that signing up to an active list indicates a > willingness to receive considerable amounts of mail? > > Anne it occurs to me that this might even be a filter someone setup to kill the SMS message stuff, and now all the stuff with newbie in the header or body gets /dev/nulled, so he don't even see the replies. next he will be wondering why he does not get even his posts to the list -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Article: Microsoft faces class-action on security breaches
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 07:03, HaywireMac wrote: > On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 04:04:34 -0700 > Aron Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > probably cause gates has more money > > Good one. > > Note to self, do not sip coffee whilst reading post from Aron... > > /HW gets some paper towel for mess. I have to agree,,, for me anyway this list has screwd up about 3 keyboards. and I want one of those MJ (wonder if it stands for Mari-Juana) pimp-kens automated responses, and maybe an sms message too -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 19:52, Heather/Femme wrote: > On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:19 -0700 > "M J Pipkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy. Please send > > no further newbie "communications"and remove my name from your list. > > and who the flying monkey fuck are you? > > remove yourself. > > don't bitch at us for signing you up...you did that yourself or someone > who knows your address did. > > Femme Well I am glad to know I ain't the only one > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] and the Award for Stating the Obvious goes to...
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 16:47, Aron Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:47, HaywireMac wrote: > > Symantec! > > > > "Symantec reports boom in viruses and worms > > > > The number of malicious attacks has hit an all time high in 2003. Not > > only are viruses and worms increasing in number, but, thanks to the > > Internet, are propagating at an ever faster rate. > > > > These are the gloomy findings of the latest Internet Security Threat > > Report from Symantec Corporation." > > > > Thanks god we have them around to let us know about these things! > > > > Source: > > > > http://www.hackinthebox.org/ > ***Makes you wonder what if a virus or worm was tracked back to one of > these places. (just following the money) like this httpd log entry; 63.64.43.187 - - [02/Oct/2003:04:30:52 -0400] "GET /scripts/nsiislog.dll" 404 356 "-" "-" whois 63.64.43.187 UUNET Technologies, Inc. UUNET63 (NET-63-64-0-0-1) 63.64.0.0 - 63.127.255.255 Las Colinas Microsoft UU-63-64-43 (NET-63-64-43-0-1) 63.64.43.0 - 63.64.43.255 # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-10-01 19:15 I don't know (or care) if it is las colinas MSN. what could you do unless you some how got BG's home IP number. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] command for rebooting in win
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 15:00, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 5:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Anarky wrote: > > > is there any way I could give a command to reboot in > > > windows directly from a console? Right now to do that I have to > > > logout of the windowmanager, return to the mandrake login screen > > > and select reboot, win ... I'd like to be able to give some kind > > > of shell command like "reboot win" and be the equivalent of that. > > >thanks with anticipation > > > > Normally you can reboot from an Xwindow terminal after you su to > > root. The command is "shutdown -r ." > > > > MDK 9.0 and later gave me problems with this command. This command > > did not give me clean reboot. I tried it with KDE and IceWM. > > > > The command did not give me any problems with any other *nix. > > > > Can other people tell us about their experience with this command > > and MDK. > > > > Thanx, > > > > ayoub890 > > I have used shutdown -r now (and shutdown -h now) under both 9.0 and > 9.1 withiout problems. Could your problem be because you didn't give > it a timescale? It can be set to delay a short time, in order for > other connections to be closed off. 'now' is required to make it > immediate. > > Anne or had msec set so only root could reboot -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Software Patents
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:32, HaywireMac wrote: > On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:04:21 + > John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > So the ethos of that argument is that that you cannot patent code it's > > something akin to a writer publishing a piece of liturature, it is his > > work, but it's not a novel invention . Have I understood it correctly? or at least you should not be able to patent a sentence or a paragraph. > Exactement! -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] SMS message
So I decided to end my filters long enough to get one of these to save enough to check the headers and run a whois Received: from mandy.mts.ru ([81.211.47.3]) by sparrow (EarthLink SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1a51pw3m03NZFjV0 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 04:14:18 -0700 (PDT) and this IP# (81.211.47.3) gives whois 81.211.47.3 % This is the RIPE Whois server. % The objects are in RPSL format. % % Rights restricted by copyright. % See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyright.html inetnum: 81.211.47.0 - 81.211.47.255 netname: SOVINTEL-MTS-NET descr:Moscow Russia descr:ID-6069, OJSC Mobile TeleSystems country: RU admin-c: VK229-RIPE tech-c: VK229-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA mnt-by: SOVINTEL-MNT notify: [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20030505 source: RIPE route:81.211.0.0/17 descr:EDN Sovintel origin: AS8773 mnt-by: SOVINTEL-MNT changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20021104 source: RIPE person: Victor Krasnov address: CJSC "Mobile TeleSystems" address: 4, Marksistskaia address: 109147, Moscow phone:+7 095 7653209 fax-no: +7 095 7660040 nic-hdl: VK229-RIPE changed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19971114 source: RIPE I have already sent a mail to Victor Krasnov ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and cc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will let you know if I hear back... anyone want to call Victor? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] "Waiting for X Server to shutdown" - help?
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 02:51, Thomas Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:34:12 +0700 > Fajar Priyanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What is your graphics adapter? If it is S3 Trio, Mdk91's KDE31 has a known > > problem with it, you should upgrade qt3 and qt3-base. > > Its an ATi something. I forget offhand exactly what. I'm pretty sure its not an S3 > Trio though. Wish it were that siple. After some more experimenting I've found out > that its not really getting into KDE. I tried something that was suggested to me > some time ago with another problem. That was to rename the .kde directory to > something so that it would make a new one. Well, I did that, and it still didn't > work and when I checked the directories, there was no .kde directory. I would > imagine that if its getting as far as KDE that it would make a new directory and die > there or work, but its not doing that. > > I've also tried deleting any sort of what appears to be a temporary file, tried even > deleting the .Xauthority file. Still doesn't work. I tried comparing it to the setup > that does work and I haven't found anything significant. > > Tom Williams > can you fix the word wrap? and next time, just my opinion, but instead of 'delete' maybe it might be wiser to move a file (rename it) to something with a number at the end, so instead of 'rm .Xauthority', try 'mv .Xauthority .Xauthority1 and you can rename it back if you need to? > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lin Neighbourhood & WinXP
On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 20:58, Heather/Femme wrote: > On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:44:37 +1000 > Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Check that the shares on the laptop are actually existent - that could > > be the issue - as well, make sure you've got the proper permissions > > showing for the type of share you're sharing...there is a difference > > between "SHARE" level access and "USER" level access - SWAT is > > probably the best tool to use for this exercise, mate... > > > > stephen kuhn - owner > > > ty. will webmin do just as well? for me, webmin starts SWAT. > > and where do I find out the diff tween user & share access pls? > > and what permissions am I looking for??? and where? > > I'm going to try putting my acct on the XP box passwordless see if that > helps... > > ty. > > Somewhere over the rainbow, > Femme of Oz (not aussieland either...) > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?
On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 21:33, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > And now you know why I haven't gotten the nerve to try to resuscitate my old > Win98SE installation since I rebuilt my system four months ago. I don't need > no aggravation. > -- cmg > > this statement makes me wonder,,, I have/had a triple boot, winME, Win2k, and MDK9.1. after a few problems (me screwing around) hosed first winME and then 2k, and I know I 'can' fix them, it just takes time, and reboots, and I don't need to bother with those partitions. I wonder how many of 'previous' dual-booters are waiting for hell to freeze before they find the time to fix their MS partitions. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)
On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 03:21, Margot wrote: > yankl wrote: > > On Monday 29 September 2003 05:37 am, Margot wrote: > > > >>Thanks to all who have tried to help with this. Still no sound, but I > >>don't have any more time and energy to devote to this problem right now. > >> > >>It seems I messed up on my reinstall when I was trying to get the > >>internet connection going - succeeded in that but broke everything else! > >> > >>I'm still running 9.0 - 9.2 will be ready soon, and I can live without > >>sound until then, and then perhaps someone can point me to a checklist > >>so I make sure I get the 9.2 installation right! > >> > >>Thanks again for all your time and patience - even though we din't fix > >>it, I've learned a lot of useful stuff! > >> > >>Margot > > > > Margot, > > I am sorry that you gave up on your sound. > > I have one more idea may be you like to try it. In the past I had a problem > > where too much time where assigned for a process to hold a sound device. So > > in the kde control center (kcontrol not mcc) you need to change parameter in > > Sound -> Sound System. Check mark auto suspend if idle for: and change time > > to about 1 second . Then in the LookNFeel -> Sytem Notification disable all > > sound notifications. > > > > Thanks for the suggestion Yankl - I gave it a go, but sadly it didn't > make any difference. > > Margot > > One more thing,,, If I am correct about these facts; this is an 'onboard sound chip', and you have enabled it in one place in your bios, after having disabled it previously to use a add on (pci-or-isa) sound card. there is in some bios a second (and much more hidden) setting to enable the on board sound it might be under a different menu, and you might even have to scroll down to find it, (if my memory serves, and what a joke that would be) I have one setting under legacy devices and another in PCI control, or something along those lines. check every entry on your BIOS for a second sound setting... > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Remember the GPL?
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 23:22, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Sunday 28 September 2003 09:13 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > > When I become Supreme Ruler of the Universe, it will become obligatory that > > no one be allowed to refer to the GPL without certifying that they have > > read and understood the document in its entirety. Those who do not comply > > will be forced to run MicroSoft Bob for all Eternity. You've been warned... > > > > -- cmg (who has also been known to run his mouth before his brain was > > engaged) > > MicroSCOst Bob! I remember that lamo piece of ... > well, Robin recently introduced me to vigor, if you reallly miss that special M$ dog poop smell. > Ugly, as in dog -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Radio Control Sims
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 01:20, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 12:22, Aron Smith wrote: > > > > > I'm surprised ya ain't doing the practise with "tie offs" like a friend > > > of mine did - that way the chopper was protected and he got heaps of > > > practise.. > > well right now I have a hula-hoop tyewired to the skids to extend the > > gear wy out main problem is It's an Electric Chopper and they are > > kinda logy as to response > > Hmmm...what about getting a lighter hoolahoop? (or make one outta > styrofoam?) or one that does not have the shoop-shoop beads throwing the balance off? > > stephen kuhn - owner > == > illawarra computer services > a kuhn media australia company > http://kma.0catch.com > -- > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents > -- > Q: Where's the Lone Ranger take his garbage? A: To the dump, to the > dump, to the dump dump dump! Q: What's the Pink Panther say when he > steps on an ant hill? A: Dead ant, dead ant, dead ant dead ant dead > ant... > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No network connection trouble.
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 16:57, One Dot wrote: > I like to know what is going on here? > I have two machines both running 9.1 one is configured dhcp and running just > fine, the other a laptop is running with static ip, but not running so fine, > I think I have everything configured the same, netmask network gateway etc. I > can ping from pc to laptoo but not vice versa, the pc has access to the > internet over the gateway, but not the laptop. How come I can ping and get a > reply one way and not the other? > > TIA, Marc. > firewall? subnet? > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] When will 9.1 dry up?
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 16:24, rikona wrote: > Hello Charlie, > > Sunday, September 28, 2003, 12:39:36 PM, you wrote: > > >> I got 9.0 in a box when 9.1 was just coming out. After a period of > >> learning, I tried to get some additional programs for 9.0, but > >> found almost all were for 9.1, and some did NOT work with 9.0. It > >> was as though the 9.0 code had dried up and blown away. > > CM> What code? What programs? > > Don't remember all of them now, but included Office, Opera, Sylpheed, > Pan, Octave, Gnucash, and many others. > > >> I'm running 9.1 now. How long will it be before the same thing happens > >> and 9.1 code becomes hard to find? > > CM> What code? What programs? > > Not sure what new ones I'll want, but when I tried to find some of the > above for 9.0, it was essentially impossible to find. I wrote to the > list, and others were not able to find them either. Turned out there > were 9.1 versions readily available, but not 9.0. Easiest solution was > to reinstall 9.1 so I COULD get the programs. > > CM> So saying the code dried up and blew away is slightly misleading. > CM> Stuff is still available, you just have to know where to look. > > At the time, I asked this list, and after many attempts, some 9.0 code > could not be found. There were suggestions for compiling from source, > but that brought with it some interesting problems too. :-) > > CM> I congratulate you on actually getting the "box" for 9.0, and urge you to > CM> start those 'others' the same way if possible. > > Boxes are too hard to find, especially for the latest release. When I > bought 9.0, 9.1 was already being released. Not good. > > CM> Explain to them that there _is_ a free version for download but > CM> that there really is added value to box sets and Club membership. > > Some are on dial-up, and I'd have to give them discs. I usually > suggest that they join the club to get the goodies there. > > CM> but that isn't quite 9.2 and may cause a bad first impression. I'm > CM> sure that your focus is to present them with a happy experience > CM> and not have them snarling at you over a perceived broken > CM> operating system, am I correct? > > Absolutely, utterly crucial! If these M$ users are to like Mandrake > and make the switch, it MUST work better than Win did - BUT they are > familiar with win and know how to use it. It has to be EASY as well. > Most of these people know very little about computers - they are just > a tool. > > The MOST stable, easy-to-use code is what is needed! > > CM> A more direct answer to the "How long?" question is simply that > CM> official support for releases is 18 months. I think. (-: > > "Support" might be 18 months, in terms of supplying updates, etc, but > the apps code dried up MUCH before that in the 9.0-9.1 transition. The > club had essentially all 9.1 code shortly after 9.1 was released. not to sound like a butt head, but but had you updated sources, you would have only th urpmi what ever, they are still out there, the mirrors just change directory structure every now and then, and you can not find the rpm anymore. can't be helped, as far as I understand the shape of the planet. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Remember the GPL?
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 06:48, dlwiggers wrote: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:25:08 + > Richard Urwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:25 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > What does the GPL say about the following? > > > > > > "Next ISOs of Mandrake 9.2 Download Edition will be available > > > for Club Members and all people who have contributed to the new > > > version(including developers and translators), prior to retail > > > packs and public download release." > > > > > > Is this in conformance with the GPL? Yes, without a doubt. > Does the GPL favor any > > > select group or does it prohibit discrimination and > > > restrictions? IANL the GPL neither favors, nor discriminates against any group, other than the author and users. As I understand the GPL, it does not ever make the requirement to provide the finished product, just the source code. and even then, not to the world at large for $free$ (as in free beer). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Who uses AC97?
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 17:28, yankl wrote: > On Saturday 27 September 2003 04:58 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 9:55 pm, yankl wrote: > > > On Saturday 27 September 2003 03:11 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > > Margot is having a problem. If you use AC97 on-board sound, will > > > > you please tell us what HardDrake calls your card, and what > > > > driver it is using? Thanks > > > > > > > > Anne > > > has she turned up the vol settings in aumix and alsamixgui > > > Anne > > > > > > At some point some one suggest for her to run soundconfig what > > > chipset it reported? > > > > As far as I know she hasn't managed to find it yet. I may not be > > installed, but it's not obviously in the packages available. > > > > Anne > Sndconfig could be installed from cd-roms. It better in detection of sound > cards then sounddrake (sorry mdk). Try to urpmi sndconfig. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Modem help for a M$ refugee
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 15:07, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > My son-in-law just dumped his Windows2000 after the latest attack > from virus, worms and BSODs. I talked him into trying MDK 9.1. > Everything seemed to go well until he tried to connect. That's > why it is a little difficult for me to help him out, 'cause we > are 400 kilometes apart. So - until further progress is made - > we must communicate over phone line. > > His problem is modem related. It is an E-Tech 56K Flex V.90. > Extern hardware modem. It seems to come with a Rockwell chipset. > When running drakconnect, he can go as far as to query the > modem. Then : nothing. No strings, no connection, nada. > > I've googled around to no avail. Doesn't show up on the > compatibility lists, be it Mandrake, RedHat or S.u.S.E.. Some > posts on mailing lists claims it incompatible, some not. > > Questions : > > 1. Does anyone here know if it is compatible ? > 2. If it isn't : what modems are ? > > Thanks in advance, > > Kaj Haulrich. if this is an external serial connected modem, as long as you are looking at the correct ttySx where x equals the 'real' number of the serial port you should not be having this problem, does the serial port have a setting to disable it in bios? what ttyS0 is the config pointing to -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] subscribe
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 22:59, John Bevington wrote: > subscribe Hey john, you have a virus... try no longer using M$ until you get that fixed hey? > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MCC thinks I have a Sound Card
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 08:21, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 1:11 pm, Margot wrote: > > Stephen Kuhn wrote: > > > On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 21:10, Margot wrote: > > >>I used to get sound, but I had to reinstall Mandrake some months > > >> ago to get the internet connection working, and I think I messed > > >> up somewhere as I hadn't a clue what I was doing, because I > > >> haven't had any sound since the reinstall. > > >> > > >>I've been fiddling with this on and off for months, reading > > >> hundreds of messages in the archive and tweaking this and that, > > >> but no luck yet. > > >> > > >>Problem has now become urgent, because I've moved furniture > > >> around and I now can't listen to CDs on the stereo while sitting > > >> at the computer unless I turn it up so loud it upsets the > > >> neighbours! Headphone cord not long enough, so I really need to > > >> be able to play CDs through the computer! > > >> > > >>I think I know what the problem is, but I have no idea how to fix > > >> it. > > >> > > >>MCC thinks I have a Sound Card. I haven't. I've got something > > >> called Integrated AC97 Audio. How do I get Mandrake to recognise > > >> this? > > >> > > >>Margot > > > > > > The AC97 is a sound system built into the motherboard - not > > > always the greatest, but workable. You might want to open a term, > > > su as root, then try running /usr/sbin/sndconfig to see if it > > > will properly recognise the card - if all else, you might want to > > > consider actually getting a proper sound card and disabling the > > > AC97 in your BIOS...sorry to say... > > > > > > stephen kuhn - owner > > > > Result: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# /usr/sbin/sndconfig > > bash: /usr/sbin/sndconfig: No such file or directory > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# > > > > Now what? Where did I go wrong? > > > > I don't see that I should need to buy a sound card - this thing, > > whatever it is, used to work - until I reinstalled. > > > > Margot > > If it used to work, it should again. Have you tried running > HardDrake? > > If that doesn't work, to get sndconfig to work you will have to boot > into init 3 - at the lilo splash hit Esc, then type linux 3. Login > as root and try the command again. or be root, or install sndconfig > > Anne -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!
On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 11:28, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 23:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > i just wonder if the newbies only receive or get to contribute, > > or is contributing only allowed after a certain amout of exposure > > and experiance gained? > > > > sounds like a list with possibilities, regardless > > Y'gotta take the test, first. Then you have to be initiated. Then you > take another test. Then they take yer picture, write up a folio on ya, > take another test, and then WHAM, you can post. > > stephen kuhn - owner but just remember, it really is expensive to un$ub$cribe. > == > illawarra computer services > a kuhn media australia company > http://kma.0catch.com > -- > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents > -- > Einstein argued that there must be simplified explanations of nature, > because God is not capricious or arbitrary. No such faith comforts the > software engineer. - Fred Brooks, Jr. > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!
On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 12:11, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Thursday 25 Sep 2003 2:59 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > i just wonder if the newbies only receive or get to contribute, > > or is contributing only allowed after a certain amout of exposure > > and experiance gained? > > > > sounds like a list with possibilities, regardless > > > Welcome Mark. Only two rules - don't lose your cool, and ignore the > irrelevant if you don't want to drown in mail. What is helpful, > though, is to first visit > http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette > > Anne and if it is the OT list you wish, where who cares if you loose your cool, and spouting off is the 'norm' http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 21:06, Heather/Femme wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:09:20 +0100 > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like paper. I print out man pages, HOW-TOs, TWiki pages and > > everything else that seems to help. I buy books, too. I posted a > > question about symlinks some time ago because I had followed the > > instructions in the expensive (£3O) book, and it didn't work. In > > fact the instructions in the FM were completely wrong, and I had been > > completely mislead by R'ingTFM. > > > Anne > > > > OK In the RUTE manual it says if you're in cli mode, best wya to > powerdown is use three finger salut. > > Why not use shutdown or reboot -now? > > Is that wise (rutes suggestion..) or out of date? > > ty > > Earth to Major Femme! > amount of keystrokes, as ctrl+alt+delete calls shutdown -h now Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn "newbie" user!
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 17:45, Aron Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 14:44, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 9:21 pm, rikona wrote: > > > Hello Anne, > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2003, 12:33:06 AM, you wrote: > > > > > > AW> On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 9:16 pm, rikona wrote: > > > >> (up to the > > > >> limit of 'good broadcasting'). > > > > > > AW> Now that's a novel concept > > > > > > Are you suggesting that it is as bad in the UK as it is in the > > > ad-inundated US? :-) > > > > Not as ad-inundated, perhaps (except on satellite), but otherwise. > > Apart from anything else, a lot of it comes from the US > > > > Anne > You get our crap. But we do get some good programs from the UK(and some > crap) > I am still in love with 'Emma Peale' from the Avengers... > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 02:31, Charlie M. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > September 21, 2003 11:57 pm, rikona wrote: > > Hello yankl, > > > > y> hence the end of my e-mail "man -k". Have any one done their home > > y> work? > > > > Yes, but it was not very helpful, as I mentioned. > > > > y> By typing "#man -k lilo" one can see what command it relates too. > > > > Aha - now we can actually see the un-natural language needed to get > > the answer. The page number is 'lilo', and we still have to keep the > > -k. :-) > > > > y> Unless we like to have m$users we need to start using all tools > > y> provided by OS. > > That elitist snob attitude has actually caused more people to shy away from > GNU/Linux than any real or perceived difficulty in running a distribution. > These "MS users" that are so denigrated by so many have at least one > redeeming quality; they have money to spend on distributions. They're usually > willing to pay for what they *perceive* as a quality product. I FULLY agree with that last paragraph, and would add, it is one of the 2 most outstanding qualities of Mandrake linux, the embracing of (soon to be former) desktop M$users (who are looking for a better way), and the adhering to the GNU/GPL, (imho). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 03:47, Aron Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 22:57, rikona wrote: > > Hello yankl, > > > > Sunday, September 21, 2003, 5:36:27 PM, you wrote: > > > > y> hence the end of my e-mail "man -k". Have any one done their home > > y> work? > > > > Yes, but it was not very helpful, as I mentioned. > > > > y> By typing "#man -k lilo" one can see what command it relates too. > > > > Aha - now we can actually see the un-natural language needed to get > > the answer. The page number is 'lilo', and we still have to keep the > > -k. :-) > > > > y> Unless we like to have m$users we need to start using all tools > > y> provided by OS. > > > > There are a ton of tools, that is not the problem. The problem is > > being able to find the right answer in this sea of tools. > > > > y> In my opinion the order of trying to solve something in the *nix > > y> should be as following: > > > > y> 1. HOWTO (tldp.org or build in) > > > > Often a good place to start, but it is still too 'command' oriented, > > rather than 'problem' oriented. > > > > y> 2. man page > > y> 3. google.com > > y> 4. newbie list > > > > I like 4, 3, and then 2 best. But then I'm a newbie. :-) I can fully > > understand why someone who already knows it would prefer the other > > order. > > > > y> If one will not try to figure out staff by him/herself we will have to switch > > y> to m$ like OS where it is one way to do it and its full of holes because it > > y> is more important to make it ease then to make it safe. > > > > Being safe and being easy to use, at least with respect to > > documentation, are unrelated. Better, problem-oriented documentation > > for linux might even make it easier to use than M$, especially if it > > is good-thesaurus, natural language based. Note that M$ is investing > > VERY heavily in people who do NL work. Hint, hint. If you want > > Mandrake to take off, this will be a key - there are just not enough > > geeks. :-))) > > > > Of course, there's the crowd that does NOT want it to take off - but > > that's another topic. > > > > y> teach man how to resource and he will nether go back to m$. > > > > If the resources are too hard to use, he will go back to M$ anyway. No > > amount of RTFM put-downs will change that - indeed, it will just > > accelerate it. > I think that the MAN pages are a holdover from the unix days and should > be rewritten possibly with examples > I think the newbie twiki should/could and will be the manpages, rewritten so that a simpler search engine (htdig?,, google) and simpler computer users can understand what is being said. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 02:41, Heather/Femme wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:30:25 -0700 > rikona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello yankl, > > > > Sorry to spoil your rant. :-) > > > > -- > > > > rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > LOL nice going Rikona! > > hehe sorry but thats hilarious! > > FemmesAnAxeMurderer > O... No, she doesn't have a very strange sense of humor,,, no,,, nothing like that,,, But I like it ET Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 23:02, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 12:02, ed tharp wrote: > > ah, if it ain't powered by a Cat&trademark, it's a dog > > As if... > > Like Granny wants to fire up her turbo Cat diesel powered tandem to poke > on down to the corner store... did you know Cat makes a 4cylinder, overhead valve gasoline motor? 144 cubic inch, holds 10 quarts of motor oil? works great in old International Harvester "Scout" bodies (a 4 wheel drive SUV made before there were SUVs, and stopped production before there were SUVs) > stephen kuhn - owner > == > illawarra computer services > a kuhn media australia company > http://kma.0catch.com > -- > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents > -- > One seldom sees a monument to a committee. > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ford Motor Co. opens arms to Linux!
ah, if it ain't powered by a Cat&trademark, it's a dog On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 21:31, Greg wrote: > Dont even get me started > Greg > Aron Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Stephen Kuhn wrote: > > > >>On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 02:42, Frankie wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>God I love Ford, I have been a ford fan for many years, and this is another > >>>reason why > >>> > >>>who knows, one day the falcons might have an embeeded linux running the > >>>engine too.. that would be cool, being able to tell people my car runs > >>>linux. (though I plan to build my old laptop into my car running linux, so > >>>I will be able to say that soon anyway. :-) > >>> > >>>rgds > >>> > >>>Franki > >>> > >>> > >> > >>You're a very sick man, Frankie. > >> > >>I've started selling "In Home Self Lobotomy Kits" - want me to send ya > >>one? God knows Holden/Chevy is a "Real Blokes" vehicle... > >> > >Chevorlet = Cracked Heads Every Valve Rattles Engine Trash > > > >> > >>stephen kuhn - owner > >>== > >>illawarra computer services > >>a kuhn media australia company > >>http://kma.0catch.com > >>-- > >> * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > >> We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents > >>-- > >>People are very flexible and learn to adjust to strange surroundings -- > >>they can become accustomed to read Lisp and Fortran programs, for > >>example. - Leon Sterling and Ehud Shapiro, Art of Prolog, MIT Press > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >>Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comp shutdown looses / and /var
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 21:43, ed tharp wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 21:29, Dennis Myers wrote: > > I seem to have a heat problem with a 750mhz Duron. It may be the power supply > > or the cpu not sure, but believe it to be the cpu. Anyway the lm_sensors > > shows a 60c in the case I think and when I am gone and it sits for a while it > > will reboot. I then can rescue, it seems to have lost the / partition and > > /var I think. It is possible to remount them. I recovered the system by doing > > an upgrade to get the partitions back but do not understand why the / and > > /var are lost. Any tutorials or explanations are appreciated. Thanks, > > what file systems are you using for / and /var? and why not blow that fan out?? > > ++ > Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Comp shutdown looses / and /var
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 21:29, Dennis Myers wrote: > I seem to have a heat problem with a 750mhz Duron. It may be the power supply > or the cpu not sure, but believe it to be the cpu. Anyway the lm_sensors > shows a 60c in the case I think and when I am gone and it sits for a while it > will reboot. I then can rescue, it seems to have lost the / partition and > /var I think. It is possible to remount them. I recovered the system by doing > an upgrade to get the partitions back but do not understand why the / and > /var are lost. Any tutorials or explanations are appreciated. Thanks, what file systems are you using for / and /var? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] partitioning for Mandrake 9.1
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 10:03, Marc wrote: > On Sunday 21 September 2003 06:43 am, Lance Cummings wrote: > > I am going to give Mandrake 9.1 a look, coming from the MS world. > > > > Until I get real comfortable with the idea the Linux can work for me, > > XP will remain the primary OS on the box, so we start by needing to > > work around that a little bit. Most of us understand being a little OS 'gun shy', but (as you will soon come to understand) that has to do with how poorly cobbled together M$ winblows really is, and as you come to understand that there really are other and better methods for things, you will so soon wonder why you thought that that way. just as someone that has had a 2 dollar pistol blow up in their hand may not want to hold a new Glock 9mm, after they fire it a few times, they are no where as worried about the Glock blowing a finger off. soon you too will consider WInblows a 2 dollar ripoff and real OSs to be closer to cruise missile. Just my $.02USD Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Great Article on "Trusted Computing"
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 05:47, HaywireMac wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:04:11 -0400 > Thomas Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > Of course you realize what this really means? Should this get > > implemented, everyone here in the US will start going over the border > > to get their computers and/or only run Linux on it. > > The SNAFU Principle: > > SNAFU principle /sna'foo prin'si-pl/ /n./ [from a WWII Army acronym for > `Situation Normal, All Fucked Up'] "True communication is possible only > between equals, because inferiors are more consistently rewarded for > telling their superiors pleasant lies than for telling the truth." -- a > central tenet of Discordianism, often invoked by hackers to explain why > authoritarian hierarchies screw up so reliably and systematically. The > effect of the SNAFU principle is a progressive disconnection of > decision-makers from reality. I think this would have been a good inclusion to the thread that asked about including the RFC to the twiki... the reason RFCs are so damn polite is exactly this,,, ARPA, DARPA, are still DOD... -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Great Article on "Trusted Computing"
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 05:47, HaywireMac wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:04:11 -0400 > Thomas Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > Of course you realize what this really means? Should this get > > implemented, everyone here in the US will start going over the border > > to get their computers and/or only run Linux on it. > > The SNAFU Principle: > > SNAFU principle /sna'foo prin'si-pl/ /n./ [from a WWII Army acronym for > `Situation Normal, All Fucked Up'] "True communication is possible only > between equals, because inferiors are more consistently rewarded for > telling their superiors pleasant lies than for telling the truth." -- a > central tenet of Discordianism, often invoked by hackers to explain why > authoritarian hierarchies screw up so reliably and systematically. The > effect of the SNAFU principle is a progressive disconnection of > decision-makers from reality. For those of you in the Bible belt... `Situation Normal, All Fouled Up'... -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn "newbie" user!
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 04:10, Sharrea Day wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:04, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > > Three weeks ago the south-eastern coast of Australia was hit with winds > > that blasted us in excess of 140kph - causing damage and panic, loss of > > power and utilities, homes, a few lives - how come y'all don't hear a > > damn thing about that back in Yankland? Not a one person mentioned > > anything in the past three weeks about it...hmmm? > > > > Yet - the entire world has to know about a storm that hits the > > US...strange that is, don't ya reckon? > > Yeah... an' the South Island, NZ got hit with 170kph winds just a few days > ago an' notawordaboutit??? > > Sharrea We (I, at least) had heard of the 'superphoon' they were calling it, but you are so right that it was blasted off the headlines by a tropical storm heading right to DC. but they were both some record storms a week before. they said the eyewall wind speed of Isabel was the highest they had ever measured from a hurricane hunter plane, and the same night they were also mentioning the 'superphoon', but I thought it was much north of you all,,, last I heard. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] test sms response
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 22:40, HaywireMac wrote: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:39:43 -0400 > yankl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > Test > > It is look like for each time I post I get an kaluga sms replay to me > > personally. > > You just noticed this *now*?! I say we blame Yankl for it > > Your previous rant just reached new levels of hilarity. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ATRAC CD Walkman
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 16:09, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Saturday 20 Sep 2003 7:08 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: > > I'd like to add an image file of the spiel on the back of the box, > > only it'd come to more than 100kb., then you could all see what you > > make of it. > > > Would you send it to me at home, John? > > Anne or send it here, I can put it up. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
