RE: RE: [newbie] Compiling the 2.6.11 Kernel ?
My "idiot sheet" says: "make clean bzImage modules" to build the kernel "make modules_install install" to install the kernel. Hopefully this this put the new kernel in your bootloader, and set it to the default next time you boot. I have had occasional trouble with the default bit. Hopefully it will work! Hugh <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Compiling the 2.6.11 Kernel ?
> From: Pete Moscatt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2005 11:10 AM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: [newbie] Compiling the 2.6.11 Kernel ? > > > > I am trying to compile my first kernel (2.6.11) using the > source. The distro this > is for is Mandrake 10.0. > > I have had a look through the README file but reading this > has me unsure on the correct process. > > Firstly I untar'd it an placed it in '/usr/src' > > From there I ran 'make configold' as root and make the > additional changes as required. Once this was complete I did > a 'make' then 'make modules_install' > > All as gone great so far with no reported errors. > > I copied the'bzImage' from ../arch/i386/boot directory and > placed this in /boot as vmlinux-2.6.11 > > From here doubt has crept in - am I meant to copy anything > else into the /boot directory ? > > I then edited the lilo.conf and added a line to look at the > 'vmlinux-2.6.11' image, > now what about the line that has the initrd=...what > do I need to do here ? > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > Pete > I'm not at a Linux machine at the moment, but my recollection from when I have done this is that there is no need to copy any files anywhere. The make has an install option for the kernel as well as the modules. Something like "make install modules_install". My recollection is that the order of the parameters is very important - but I cannot remember what that order is! If no one gets back to you, I'll try to post something in 9 or 10 hours time BTW Where did you download your 2.6.11 source from? Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] back to Windows
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Kühn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2005 4:00 PM
> To: Mandrake Newbie
> Subject: RE: [newbie] back to Windows
>
>
> On Sat, 2005-04-02 at 15:56, Hugh Dixon wrote:
> > > [JDOW>>] April Fools has existed since the days of the
> Roman Empire.
> > >
> > > {^_-}
> > >
> >
> > Did the Romans get to Brazil?
>
> Where do you think the Brazilians came from? Rome had been
> there. Etruscans had been there. Phoenicians had been there.
> Egyptians had been there. The "Atlanteans" had been there,
> the Polynesians had been there.
>
> Needless to say, though, I have inside information that
> Josenildo actually runs IBM OS/2 Warp4 and he's been pulling
> everyone's leg from the beginning of this annual exercise -
> just to get at Anne.
>
Good.
I just wanted to make sure there wasn't any inaccurate information in this
thread ;)
Hugh
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RE: [newbie] back to Windows
> [JDOW>>] April Fools has existed since the days of the Roman Empire.
>
> {^_-}
>
Did the Romans get to Brazil?
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RE: [newbie] To Twiki Editors, Welcome to Newbie Manager and List-Members.
> -Original Message- > From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, 1 April 2005 1:05 AM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: Re: [newbie] To Twiki Editors, Welcome to Newbie > Manager and List-Members. > > > On Thursday 31 Mar 2005 15:17, Mr. Geek wrote: > > > > Anyway, it seems rhetorical at this point, since the > majority of the > > feedback concerning the idea was not positive. It seems that other > > assessments were right on this. No one would have the time. > > > Time is always of the essence, isn't it? . I rather like > the idea of > focussing on one area and linking to the appropriate TWiki > entry(ies). Don't > mind me - I'm just a bit depressed at the moment, and getting > people to > actually read anything seems to be a losing battle. > > Anne > -- > Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) > Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake > at all levels Could I make a suggestion? Can the gurus who provide information to this list be encouraged to post links to the twiki (or other sources) as part of their responses? I also work with MS products, and one of my big problems is knowing what keywords to use for a search. If an answer to a question exists on the twiki I would find it educational not only to know the answer, but where I could have/should have been able to find it. (Linking to the answer, rather than answering the question is no good for people who read e-mail off line, but...) Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Hardware compatibility - Digital TV Tuner
Thank you all. I am having a look at MythTV at the moment, and have got myself into sql problems, and have run out of time to look at it. I will pursue this further over the weekend, Thanks again, Hugh <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Hardware compatibility - Digital TV Tuner
> -Original Message- > From: Derek Jennings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 5:48 PM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: Re: [newbie] Hardware compatibility - Digital TV Tuner > > > On Thursday 31 March 2005 01:51, Hugh Dixon wrote: > > Does anyone know anything about using/installing Digital TV Tuners > > under mandrake 10.1. I can find nothing on the mandrake site (Am I > > looking in wrong place?). There are generic Linux articles about > > needing the 2.6.11 kernel. > > > > Does anyone know anything about this? > > > > (I did a search for "TV Card" on the mandrake hardware > compatibility > > list and found nothing! I find this odd as analogue tuners > seem to be > > well supported...) > > > > Hugh > > -- > > The most overlooked advantage to owning a computer is that if they > > foul up there's no law against wacking them around a little. - > > Porterfield > > Which Digital TV card are you asking about? I don't know - something that is easy to set up with Mandrake! > Mandrake 10.1 will work "out of the box" with some cards > (e.g. Avermedia DVB), > but will require compiling of new modules with others (e.g. new style > Hauppauge Nova-T) The situation is complicated by > manufacturers changing the > chip sets of their cards without changing model names. > > Mandrake 10.2 will support many more cards without having to > recompile the > kernel. > > Personally I would recommend a card based on a late model > chip set such as the > Connexant cx88 chipset. The Hauppauge Nova-T DVB card works > better for me > than the Avermedia card did. (better signal quality) > > What software do you want to use with the card? I currently use KDETV with an analog card. I did a 'click and install' of Myth TV, and it didn't run. I put it on my list of things to look at later - the list that gets put in a corner and never acted on. This may be a good reason to look at Myth again, in which case I would be most grateful for your rpms. > I can heartily recommend MythTV. It is absolutely fabulous. > There are RPMs for it on plf, but they are out of date and > not compiled for > digital TV (DVB) cards. I can supply you with a set of RPMs > of the latest > version compiled for Mdk 10.1. > > derek > > > -- > www.jennings.homelinux.net > http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Hardware compatibility - Digital TV Tuner
> -Original Message- > From: riccardo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 4:16 PM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: Re: [newbie] Hardware compatibility - Digital TV Tuner > > > On Thursday 31 March 2005 12:51 am, Hugh Dixon wrote: > > Does anyone know anything about using/installing Digital TV Tuners > > ___ > > ~ maybe, someone on one of these Lists, could guide you:- > .. Thanks, I have been around a few lists and things (and will add those to my sources), but I am/was after any Mandrake specific information. Looks like I have the potential to be a guinea pig! Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Hardware compatibility - Digital TV Tuner
Does anyone know anything about using/installing Digital TV Tuners under mandrake 10.1. I can find nothing on the mandrake site (Am I looking in wrong place?). There are generic Linux articles about needing the 2.6.11 kernel. Does anyone know anything about this? (I did a search for "TV Card" on the mandrake hardware compatibility list and found nothing! I find this odd as analogue tuners seem to be well supported...) Hugh -- The most overlooked advantage to owning a computer is that if they foul up there's no law against wacking them around a little. - Porterfield Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] To Twiki Editors, Welcome to Newbie Manager and List-Members.
> You might want to think about adding a mailing list just for > tips. That > way, the people that are interested could subscribe, and the > people that > for what ever reason are not interested will not have to filter out > extra messages. A weekly/monthly 'tips' newsletter, if it is easy to subscribe to it at the same time as to the newbie list, would seem good to me. Broadening this a bit, I don't subscribe to the expert list, but could such a newsletter be done so as to cover matters of interest to all levels of expertise? i.e.. Mandrake Newbie Mandrake Expert and Mandrake Tips Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] To Twiki Editors, Welcome to Newbie Manager and List-Members.
As someone who reads, and feels enlightened, by much of the stuff on this list I'd appreciate this greatly. As with many things though, does someone have the time to organise it? Hugh <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Access replacement
> -Original Message- > From: Smiley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, 18 March 2005 3:27 PM > To: newbie > Subject: [newbie] Access replacement > > > Well, I know it's OT, since I'm looking for an open source > replacement for Access *for Windows*, but I hope you can help > me since my friend who asked me should slwly switch to > open *OS* also, after shifting from MS Office to AbiWord :) > (well, thank to me; and as a consequence a friend of her did > the same) So, if somebody know such an applications, please > inform me! Thank you > -- > Smiley > > One of the 'selling points' (Does open source software have selling points?) of Open Office 2 (currently in beta) is a database similar to the microsoft product. I have not used it, and have heard mixed stories about it. It may be worth a look? Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Microsoft to patent XML
> -Original Message- > From: Fajar Priyanto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2005 11:00 AM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: Re: [newbie] Microsoft to patent XML > It is *only* "word-processing document stored in a single XML file". (I've been working on a system involving spreadsheets, so am on the safe side of the 'divide and conquor' - for now) A similar patent was filed in Australia, and is now classified as 'lapsed'. This smells to me of nothing but FUD Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] ?Conflict ? with video applications in KDE
I suspect this may be a KDE problem, but... I am running under the latest mdk 10.1 with kde. The applications I'm running are kdetv and kaffeine. My problem is that after running kaffeine I cannot get video to appear in kdetv without restarting KDE. I suspect there is a conflict or something between the overlays and/or chroma keys or whatever it is the apps use to generate the image. Does anyone know anything about this, and can they offer a solution to this please? Thanks, Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] ?Conflict ? with video applications in KDE
I suspect this may be a KDE problem, but... I am running under the latest mdk 10.0 with kde. The applications I'm running are kdetv and kaffeine. My problem is that after running kaffeine I cannot get video to appear in kdetv without restarting KDE. I suspect there is a conflict or something between the overlays and/or chroma keys or whatever it is the apps use to generate the image. Does anyone know anything about this, and can they offer a solution to this please? Thanks, Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Cleaning optical mouse
I have had a Microsoft optical trackball for about 18 months, and find that all I need do is remove the 'gunk' that builds up on the three rollers/bearings that hold the ball in place. I have had no need to do anything with the optics Hugh -Original Message- From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 14-Mar-05 09:59 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Cc: Subject:[newbie] Cleaning optical mouse The is may or may not be OT, anyway, my 10yr old Logictech wheel mouse finally quit performing correctly last night after I cleaned it. The left button would only work about 50% of the time. Bought a new Logictech wheel optical mouse, Mandrake still sees it as the old one which I figured it would since the only difference is instead of a ball there is a light. Question is, how is this mouse cleaned? Do I clean the lens on the bottom? If so, with what? Thanks Chris -- Chris Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org 16:55:14 up 1:01, 1 user, load average: 0.39, 0.56, 0.48 Mandrake Linux 10.1 Official, kernel 2.6.8.1-12mdk A baby is God's opinion that the world should go on. -- Carl Sandburg Live - Classic Rock - From Virgin Radio UK Wings - Maybe I'm amazed - <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Setting up an extra hard disk
Thanks for that Anne. My experience of windows is going through the registry and ini files changing c: to d:. It makes sense that with the linux file structure fstab would be all that is required (plus the boot loader, which I think of as being 'linux support' rather than linux proper.) Hugh <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Setting up an extra hard disk
> Method 2 - Hit F2, then type rescue at the prompt. > > I would use Method 2. I would also leave "boot=/dev/hda" alone. This > will install the boot loader to the new "Master" drive. You will need > this, unless your BIOS will let you boot from IDE1. But > change all the > root= statments to use /dev/hdb# instead of /dev/hda#. You will also > need to edit /etc/fstab, and change from hda to hdb here too. You can > then re-install the boot loader. > > I would make backup coppies of the files first, so if you deside to > change things back, you can just put the origional files back. If you > have not made any updates to the kernel, then the boot loader > on the old > drive will even boot things without any changes. Just for clarification, when you say "make back ups", the only files are the lilo.conf and fstab. Is this correct? (Having done this sort of thing on windows I was expecting it to be much harder...) Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Setting up an extra hard disk
> -Original Message- > From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2005 11:32 PM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: Re: [newbie] Setting up an extra hard disk > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 02 Mar 2005 12:13, Hugh Dixon wrote: > > Hugh - before going on to your query - when quoting, please > always remove the > signature if it has a line '-- ' because most mail readers > take anything > below that to be signature and remove it when someone wants > to answer you. > > > I'm not sure if this is part of the question (but it's a > problem I had > > this evening, and got round it be changing the jumpers back) > > Easiest way ;-) > > > If device hda > > becomes hdb because the master/slaves have been swapped, > how do you update > > the linux/mandrake installation to look on a different disk? > > > If you really want to change it, then you will need to make > changes to > lilo.conf before you swap the jumpers. > > Method 1 - somewhat dangerous > First, back up /etc/lilo.conf > mv lilo.conf lilo.conf.bak > > Near the beginning of /etc/lilo.conf you will see a line like > boot=/dev/hda > > That needs to be changed to hdb > > Then in each stanza you will find that root is being told > where to look - in > my case > root=/dev/hde12 > which is partition 12 on drive hde. Keep the partition > number, but change the > hda to hdb in every place you find it. > > When you've finished you need to run lilo > /sbin/lilo > > Do be aware that if you get this wrong you will need a rescue > disk to sort it > out. > > Method 2 - > Probably a safer way is to use your CD1. I think you press > Esc when it starts > up - there's an on-screen message, so you should see it. One > option then is > Rescue - and one option on that is to repair your boot menu. > That will > safely do it for you. I'm sorry I can't be more explicit at > this moment but > I'm sure you will find it. > > Anne Thanks, I will file this for future referance (and maybe a play) Sorry about the --. Does > -- Cause a problem? I am using a non-linux operating system (XP) for posting to this list, and seem to get different results depending upon whether it is through a web client or not. In future, I will try to keep an eye on what I'm doing... Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] kernel 2.6.8.1-24mdk and Nvidia don't work
-Original Message- From: SnapafunFrank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 02-Mar-05 21:32 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Cc: Subject:Re: [newbie] kernel 2.6.8.1-24mdk and Nvidia don't work Dennis Myers wrote: >On Tuesday 01 March 2005 01:52 pm, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: > > >>On February 28, 2005 22:13, Dennis Myers wrote: >> >> >>>Has anyone had a problem with getting the Nvidia drivers to work with the >>>-24 kernel? I can not get an install on this and it does not give a real >>>reason in the logs. This is the installer log print >>> >>> >>... >> >>I've gotten the 6629 NVidia driver working fine with the -24 kernel with a >>GeForce FX 5200 board on my new computer. >> >>And I had the hand-patched 6111 NVidia driver (see list archives for >>details) working with the -12 kernel and a TNT 64 board on my old computer. >> >>But I can't get the TNT 64 board to work with the -24 kernel, with either >>the hand-patched 6111 or the (unpatched) 6629 NVidia driver. Either one >>installs fine, and X comes up fine, but any attempt to start an OpenGl >>program results in a Segmentation Fault. I haven't made any great effort to >>resolve this, just went back to the nv driver. >> >>Sorry I can't be more help. >> >> >Huh, now the -12 kernel and/or 6111 driver will not work either. Same error >message. I have been all over the internet looking for answers and tried them >all. Thanks for everyone's suggestions, but no soap. Guess it's time to clean >house and try again. I have really no sense when it comes to installing >kernels side by side. Up Up and away. > > Just a thought. I have 6111 installed OK but it is against a 2.6.~ kernel and I understood at the time that that is what was required for the OpenGL stuff to work. As I said, just a thought. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 I am using the 6111 driver (FX 5700 based, ASUS graphics card) on a custom 2.6.8.1-24 kernel. I cannot remember if I installed it on the standard mdk kernel (I suspect not). I use it with 2 screens. It works fine, except I have occasional problems where it will spit the dummy on my XF86Config file, and I have to go back to the original, and reset the twin view options in the config file. (?Device in use? error) Hugh <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Setting up an extra hard disk
-Original Message- From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 02-Mar-05 22:24 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Cc: Subject:Re: [newbie] Setting up an extra hard disk -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 02 Mar 2005 11:00, Paul Smith wrote: > On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:59:54 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Yeah, unplug the ide ribbon cable. I'm not sure if just unplugging > > >the power is enough. > > > > Just unplugging the power can cause interesting problems sometimes. It > > all depends on what the drive's electronics do with the connections when > > they don't have power. I have seen it where you could not access the > > other drive on the cable because the unpowered drive was still plugged > > in. > > Thanks. I have now the following question: how can I commute the > master with the slave, I mean, how can I promote the slave to master > and downgrade the master to slave? > If you use the Cable Select method, you have to set the jumper to Cable Select, and the position on the cable sets whether it is master or slave. There are many reasons, though, why I do not use that method. The other method is to set the jumper on one drive to master and on the other to slave. Most drives have either moulded-in markings 'MA SL CS' close to the jumpers or printed on diagrams to indicate where to set the jumpers. Other than that, many manufacturers have documents on the Internet showing the settings - google will find them. If you need more help, give us the model name and number. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCJaJekFAvMr/nNX8RAot9AJ4vJsEEz5bGEnyvqE5R3lcKJo3i9gCfWJ/S qGIi2gBeAIi/jdRBB8jGUq8= =HESG -END PGP SIGNATURE- I'm not sure if this is part of the question (but it's a problem I had this evening, and got round it be changing the jumpers back) If device hda becomes hdb because the master/slaves have been swapped, how do you update the linux/mandrake installation to look on a different disk? Hugh Hugh <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Resumption of DSL Connection
> -Original Message- > From: SOTL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 12:54 AM > To: Mandrake Newbie > Subject: [newbie] Resumption of DSL Connection > > > Hi All > > I have Mandrake 10.1 using an eathernet RJ45 DSL input. > > If I am connected to the internet and the RJ45 plug is > unplugged and plugged > back in I loose my Internet connect and the ability to > reconnect to the > internet. > > The only method I have found yet to restore an internet > connection is to do a > system upgrade or reinstall the system. Now since this is a > test box with no > critical data on it the only issue with that box is the > inconvenience of > restoration which is becoming a pain. If of course this was a > box with > critical data on it the issue would be more dynamic. > > Question is there some other method to reestablish an > internet connection > besides reinstallation. Note going to internet set up and > reconfiguring does > not produce positive results of reestablishing an internet connection. > > Thanks > Frank > > I had an ADSL connection from Mandrake 10.1 (now 10.2), and I would often unplug the RJ45 overnight if the firewall was down. I'd plug it in the following morning and all would be fine. If Kaj's ideas don't help, I suspect you are going to need to provide more information about your modem and ISP Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Linmodem-"kernel source headers"
Melissa asked (paraphrased..) > > But where are the headers? > 30 seconds, and I've already misfiled the original e-posting - D'Oh. The linux source is installed by default into a directory /usr/src/linux. Under this there is a tree, that I am not overly familiar with. The question becomes which headers (also known as 'include files') do you want? Have a look in /usr/src/linux and see if anything 'jumps out' as being appropriate. /usr/src/linux is a fairly standard path, so another application that requires the headers may 'know' to look there, in which case you should be OK, or may be happy being told the path is '/usr/src/linux'. - This I believe is how the nvidia drivers work, although I guess that's not much use to you :) Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] compiling/installing problem
> -Original Message- > From: RickSisler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 3:42 PM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: Re: [newbie] compiling/installing problem > > > Hugh Dixon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > From: black starfish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > go to kernel.org get the latest source and compile it from > "vanilla" > > source. > > i have better luck compiling from vanilla > >>> Hugh Dixon wrote: > >>> Not sure if this really belongs on this list, but here goes. > >>> > >>> I have downloaded the mandrake 2.6.8.1-24mdkcustom source, and > >>> tried to build a kernel - just for fun (am I too warped?) > so made no > >>> changes to the config that I would expect to cause problems. The > >>> source does not link. I get an error in > arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o > >>> of two undefined references, thermal_interupt and > >>> machine_real_restart. > >>> > I haven't had any problems with compiling from 2.6.8.1-24mdk > kernel-source. I made 2 custom kernels so far. > > >> That's what I thought. > >> I urmpied 2.6.8.1-24mdk, but it doesn't build. I > understand mandrake > >> does alter the code in it's sources, and I believe (rightly or > >> wrongly) that I may loos functionality/compatibiiity if I > go for the > >> vanila kernel. > >> > >> My real question is 'I urmpied 2.6.8.1-24mdk, but it > doesn't build'. > >> Has anyone else had this problem, and can they suf=ggest anything? > >> > >> Hugh > I am no-kernel cooker and just made a few of my own recently > to learn how-to do it, plus see if I could. So far no problems. > > To give you an idea how many patches are applied to mandrake > kernels, take a look here: > http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/kernel-2. 6/ these are applied to the vanilla kernel tree, IIUC .. I am still reading the kernel docs .. If you mean you urpmi'd 2.6.8.1-24mdk-kernel-source and it doesn't build, the I would uninstall *urpme* the kernel-source and re-install it, maybe something got borked in the install. Can't hurt. But thats as far as I got with my own kernel builds, and my nvidia driver builds now ;) HTH -- RickS gpg --recv-keys --keyserver www.keyserver.net 0x24AABE61 Why is it called a TV "set" when you only get one? -- Why Why Why n°39 Thanks, I'll have a go at uninstall/reinstall. I didn't think of that being stuffed. Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Linmodem-"kernel source headers"
> -Original Message- > From: Melissa Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 12:24 PM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: [newbie] Linmodem-"kernel source headers" > > > On Feb 15, 2005, at 6:07 AM, Bryan Phinney wrote: > > > Never hurts to learn something. Well mostly, anyway. > > > > The only reason that I suggest external serial is that in a lot of > > cases, you > > have to install a lot of developer tools to get a winmodem > working and > > even > > then, it is simply not as fast or good as an external serial. > > First of all, a belated thank you to Bryan and the others who have > weighed in on my modem problem. I am beginning to see the wisdom of > your advisement to buy an external serial modem. If the > conversion of > a "winmodem" to a "linmodem" was a pain for you, it may be nigh > impossible for me. Upon downloading the (free) driver for my > particular SW modem and reading the prerequisites for installation, > I've discovered that I do not know what "kernel source headers" are. > My guess is that anybody who knows anything knows what these are and > where to find them in the Mandrake 10.1 CDs, and that perhaps > a person > who is as ignorant as I has no business trying to do this > installation. > Nevertheless, if one of you out there could help me find > the "kernel > source headers", I would be most grateful. > > > Throw in the cost of the external serial models and you > might want to > > get one > > despite getting the winmodem to work, which is what I did. > > ...and is probably what I will end up doing as well, but I > would really > like to try to make this modem work, just so I can say that I did > it... > > Thanks again, > Melissa Allen > The kernel source can be installed using urpmi. I think if you do a search for files named "kernel-source" they will appear in mcc (Have you found the software installer in mandrake control centre?) One problem you may have is that you need to know what kernel you are running 2.4 or 2.6 and also the patch number. This should be displayed when you boot the system, and in terminal windows. It will be something like "2.6.something" with an mdk for mandrake on the end. The command "uname" run in a terminal will also display it for you. - I think it is "uname -v" but it may be "uname -r", I cannot remember, sorry! Make sure you install the kernel source that matches the version you are running! HTH Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] compiling/installing problem
-Original Message- From: black starfish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 21-Feb-05 10:45 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Cc: Subject:Re: [newbie] compiling/installing problem Usually you can urpmi 2.6.8.1-24mdk and it will do it for you and you can just boot to it. OR go to kernel.org get the latest source and compile it from "vanilla" source. i have better luck compiling from vanilla Hugh Dixon wrote: >Not sure if this really belongs on this list, but here goes. > >I have downloaded the mandrake 2.6.8.1-24mdkcustom source, and tried to build >a kernel - just for fun (am I too warped?) so made no changes to the config >that I would expect to cause problems. >The source does not link. I get an error in arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o of >two undefined references, thermal_interupt and machine_real_restart. > >I don't expect anyone on this list to fix the problem, but am wondering if >anyone has successfully built this kernel, or can suggest a reason mine >doesn't link. > >thanks, > >Hugh > > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com >Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > > > >Usually you can urpmi That's what I thought. I urmpied 2.6.8.1-24mdk, but it doesn't build. I understand mandrake does alter the code in it's sources, and I believe (rightly or wrongly) that I may loos functionality/compatibiiity if I go for the vanila kernel. My real question is 'I urmpied 2.6.8.1-24mdk, but it doesn't build'. Has anyone else had this problem, and can they suf=ggest anything? Hugh <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] compiling/installing problem
Not sure if this really belongs on this list, but here goes. I have downloaded the mandrake 2.6.8.1-24mdkcustom source, and tried to build a kernel - just for fun (am I too warped?) so made no changes to the config that I would expect to cause problems. The source does not link. I get an error in arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o of two undefined references, thermal_interupt and machine_real_restart. I don't expect anyone on this list to fix the problem, but am wondering if anyone has successfully built this kernel, or can suggest a reason mine doesn't link. thanks, Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
-Original Message- From: Bryan Phinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 15-Feb-05 23:44 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Cc: Subject:Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!) On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:57, Hugh Dixon wrote: > Just a remark for others to comment on. My understanding (very > preliminary) is that the Intel Hyper Threading technology (Pentium 4 3.2 > GHz for example) uses the SMP kernel. The Hyper Threading Technology > (copyright etc?) makes the processor look like two processors. I use one > of these at work under a usoft operating system. The lads from Redmond > make the processor appear to be two in all the reporting and diagnostic > tools. I think Mandrake (Linux?) does the same. (In mcc go to "hardware" > and open the "processors" tree. The HT processor shows as 2 processors.) I had considered something like that but for the record, my Dell is a Pentium 4 M, 1.8Ghz, so I think that doesn't include the HT technology. Still, never seemed to do any harm. -- Bryan Phinney Laptops were mentioned in hte e-mail, and I don't think they use the HT yet. I think I read somewhere that the SMP Kernel is more responsive for a desktop system. I'd really like someone who knows something to confirm my rumours though.. Hugh <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] modem problem (still!)
-Original Message- From: Bryan Phinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 15-Feb-05 22:07 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Cc: Subject:Re: [newbie] modem problem (still!) On Monday 14 February 2005 20:55, Melissa Allen wrote: > I have located the download page for the driver for my particular Intel > PCI modem and for Mandrake 10 and up. I'll guess that I need the > version for the default configured Mandrake 10.0 system, but what is > the "SMP configured" system? >Symmetric MultiProcessor. Usually servers although I have had this kernel >>get >installed by default on my Dell Laptop which only has a single processor. >Not sure why but I usually replace with a standard kernel and it doesn't >really affect anything. You probably want to stick to non-SMP kernels >since >my guess is that you have a single processor. Feel free to correct me if I >am wrong. Just a remark for others to comment on. My understanding (very preliminary) is that the Intel Hyper Threading technology (Pentium 4 3.2 GHz for example) uses the SMP kernel. The Hyper Threading Technology (copyright etc?) makes the processor look like two processors. I use one of these at work under a usoft operating system. The lads from Redmond make the processor appear to be two in all the reporting and diagnostic tools. I think Mandrake (Linux?) does the same. (In mcc go to "hardware" and open the "processors" tree. The HT processor shows as 2 processors.) Hugh <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic
> -Original Message- > From: Stephen Kühn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2005 5:41 PM > To: Mandrake Newbie > Subject: RE: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic > > > On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 16:36, Hugh Dixon wrote: > > > I tend to go emu, local tucker, not that foreign muck... > > Hugh > > You live in Victoria, don't you? Didn't know that there was > much emu in Victoria...unless I'm mistaken about the location > of Listech... > > -- > stephen kuhn > mobile: 0410-728-389 > illawarra and regional new south wales > --- > GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives > 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. > Registered Linux User # 267497 > --- > Concerning the war in Vietnam, Senator George Aiken of > Vermount noted in January, 1966, "I'm not very keen for doves > or hawks. I think we need more owls." -- Bill Adler, "The > Washington Wits" > > > Outer east of Melbourne. Some (other) states have reasonable laws concerning their food preparation. I'm not parochial enough to care which side of the Murray dinner comes from! I gather it (emu) also gets packaged as "ostrich" and sent over the pacific. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic
> -Original Message- > From: Stephen Kühn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2005 4:14 PM > To: Mandrake Newbie > Subject: RE: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic > > > On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 16:06, Hugh Dixon wrote: > > > > Naw hes an ozzie same difference except for the sheep > > > > Nothing wrong with sheep... > > > > Hugh.au > > Especially when they're chopped up really nicely and slapped > on the barbie for a few minutes to char'em up. Yep. Aussies and sheep. I tend to go emu, local tucker, not that foreign muck... Hugh > > Unlike Kiwi's and sheep, but we won't go there. > > Q: What's the difference between Kiwi sheep and Aussie sheep? > A: Kiwi sheep back up to the fence. > > -- > stephen kuhn > mobile: 0410-728-389 > illawarra and regional new south wales > --- > GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives > 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. > Registered Linux User # 267497 > --- > I share the belief of many of my contemporaries that the > spiritual crisis pervading all spheres of Western industrial > society can be remedied only by a change in our world view. > We shall have to shift from the materialistic, dualistic > belief that people and their environment are separate, toward > a new conciousness of an all-encompassing reality, which > embraces the experiencing ego, a reality in which people feel > their oneness with animate nature and all of creation. - Dr. > Albert Hoffman > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic
> -Original Message- > From: Aron Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2005 3:57 PM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic > > > On Friday 11 February 2005 08:08 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 14:55, Hugh Dixon wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Stephen Kühn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2005 2:44 PM > > > > To: Mandrake Newbie > > > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 14:39, rikona wrote: > > > > > Hello Hugh, > > > > > > > > > > Friday, February 11, 2005, 6:09:21 PM, Hugh wrote: > > > > > >> -Original Message- > > > > > >> From: Marek Pawinski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >> Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2005 1:33 AM > > > > > >> To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic > > > > > > > > > > HD> --snip-- > > > > > > > > > > >> What command must be given to subscribe to the list ? > > > > > > > > > > HD> Any chance of an answer to this question? I cannot see > > > > > > > > it in my > > > > > > > > > HD> mail list (or have I deleted something...) > > > > > > > > > > Try sending an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > And BEWARE Rikona on the OT list...dangerous that one is...(and > > > > also watch out for this one slick character - ET...he's really > > > > freaky) > > > > > > > > ...oh, and we can't ferget Aron...doh! > > > > > > Beware anyone not called Stephen? > > > > Yeah, he's a silly prick, too. > Naw hes an ozzie same difference except for the sheep Nothing wrong with sheep... Hugh.au > > > > -- > > stephen kuhn > > mobile: 0410-728-389 > > illawarra and regional new south wales > > --- > > GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives > > 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. > > Registered Linux User # 267497 > > --- > > HARVARD: Quarterback: Sophomore Dave Strewzinski... likes > to pass. And > > pass he does, with a record 86 attempts (three completions) in 87 > > plays Though Strewzinksi has so far failed to score any > points for > > the Crimson, his jackrabbit speed has made him the least sacked > > quarterback in the Ivy league. Wide Receiver: The other directional > > signal in Harvard's offensive machine is senior Phil Yip, > who is very > > fast. Yip is so fast that he has set a record for being > fast. Expect > > to see Yip elude all pursuers and make it into the endzone > five or six > > times, his average for a game. Yip, nicknamed > "fumblefingers" and "you > > asshole" by his teammates, hopes to carry the ball with him > at least > > one of those times. YALE: Defense: On the defensive side, > Yale boasts > > the stingiest line in the Ivies. Primarily responsible are seniors > > Izzy "Shylock" Bloomberg and Myron Finklestein, the > tightest ends in > > recent Eli history. Also contributing to the powerful defense is > > junior tackle Angus MacWhirter, a Scotsman who rounds out the > > offensive ethnic joke. Look for these three to shut down > the opening > > coin toss. -- Harvard Lampoon 1988 Program Parody, > distributed at The > > Game > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic
> -Original Message- > From: Stephen Kühn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2005 2:44 PM > To: Mandrake Newbie > Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic > > > On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 14:39, rikona wrote: > > Hello Hugh, > > > > Friday, February 11, 2005, 6:09:21 PM, Hugh wrote: > > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: Marek Pawinski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2005 1:33 AM > > >> To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > > >> Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic > > >> > > >> > > HD> --snip-- > > > > >> What command must be given to subscribe to the list ? > > >> > > >> > > > > HD> Any chance of an answer to this question? I cannot see > it in my > > HD> mail list (or have I deleted something...) > > > > Try sending an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > And BEWARE Rikona on the OT list...dangerous that one > is...(and also watch out for this one slick character - > ET...he's really freaky) > > ...oh, and we can't ferget Aron...doh! Beware anyone not called Stephen? H > > -- > stephen kuhn > mobile: 0410-728-389 > illawarra and regional new south wales > --- > GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives > 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. > Registered Linux User # 267497 > --- > An evil mind is a great comfort. > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic
> -Original Message- > From: rikona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2005 2:40 PM > To: Hugh Dixon > Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic > > > Hello Hugh, > > Friday, February 11, 2005, 6:09:21 PM, Hugh wrote: > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Marek Pawinski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2005 1:33 AM > >> To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > >> Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic > >> > >> > HD> --snip-- > > >> What command must be given to subscribe to the list ? > >> > >> > > HD> Any chance of an answer to this question? I cannot see it in my > HD> mail list (or have I deleted something...) > > Try sending an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Having followed this thread I'm not I want to any more ;) Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic
> -Original Message- > From: Marek Pawinski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2005 1:33 AM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Off-topic > > --snip-- > What command must be given to subscribe to the list ? > > Any chance of an answer to this question? I cannot see it in my mail list (or have I deleted something...) Hugh Dixon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Hardware compatibility - dvd burners
> -Original Message- > From: gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 7 February 2005 11:25 PM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: RE: [newbie] Hardware compatibility - dvd burners > > > On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 16:01 +1100, Hugh Dixon wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Hugh Dixon > > > Sent: Monday, 7 February 2005 3:38 PM > > > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > > > Subject: [newbie] Hardware compatibility - dvd burners > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm looking to get a DVD burner, and am having trouble > > > sourcing things from the Mandrake hardware compatibility > > > list. > > I have one of these: > Vendor: Lite-On Technology Corp. > > Model: DVDRW SOHW-1653S > > ...and a DVD-ROM: JLMS XJ-HD166S, > both work fine. > > -- > Gary > And now for something completely different... > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/hardware.html#HWCDROM Thanks all, Will get in touch with my supplier and see what they can come up! Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Hardware compatibility - dvd burners
> -Original Message- > From: Hugh Dixon > Sent: Monday, 7 February 2005 3:38 PM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: [newbie] Hardware compatibility - dvd burners > > > Hi, > > I'm looking to get a DVD burner, and am having trouble > sourcing things from the Mandrake hardware compatibility > list. Does anyone know how up to date this list is? Am I > correct to think that anything that conforms to the IDE spec > should be OK? Does anyone have stories of things to avoid? > > Thanks, > > Hugh Dixon > > Oops. Just saw the current thread about dual layer DVDs. - sorry. Anyone got anything to add about any other DVD burners? Thx, Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Hardware compatibility - dvd burners
Hi, I'm looking to get a DVD burner, and am having trouble sourcing things from the Mandrake hardware compatibility list. Does anyone know how up to date this list is? Am I correct to think that anything that conforms to the IDE spec should be OK? Does anyone have stories of things to avoid? Thanks, Hugh Dixon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Isn't ~/.bash_profile sourced only at login ?
> -Original Message- > From: RickSisler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2005 10:53 AM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: Re: [newbie] Isn't ~/.bash_profile sourced only at login ? > > > Hugh Dixon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: JoeHill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Monday, 31 January 2005 10:47 AM > > >To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > > >Subject: Re: [newbie] Isn't ~/.bash_profile sourced only at login ? > > > > > > >Change the script so that it is only run if fetchmail is *not* > > >already > > running. > > > > >Here's the one I use: > > > > >ps ax > ~/tmp/bashterm > > >grep fetchmail ~/tmp/bashterm > /dev/null > > >if [ $? -ne 0 ] ; then > > >fetchmail > > >fi > > > > > > I'm not sure if I'm hijacking this thread, but, for my > interest, could > > someone who does know explain what this script does/how it works? > > > > (It's the stuff in the [*] that isn't obvious to me...) > > > > Thanks, > I'll take a stab at it .. > > This is a bash builtin called test in [ ] .. man test for more. > > $? is the bash pre-defined variable that reports the error > value of the last command > > -ne 0 ] is not equal to 0 or zero, if you didn't already know, > > [ $? -ne 0 ] means, if the grep command fails, being > not-equal to 0, so fetchmail is not running, then it will > start fetchmail > > otherwise the grep command returns true or 0, with fetchmail > running, then skips starting it again. > > use konqueror for info:bash to see the rest .. > > HTH > -- > RickS Registered Linux user #338463 > Mdk 10.1 OE - Linux 2.6.8.1-12mdk@ http://counter.li.org > > gpg --recv-keys --keyserver www.keyserver.net 0x24AABE61 > > Excellent, Thank you, Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Isn't ~/.bash_profile sourced only at login ?
> -Original Message- > From: Siposs Attila [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2005 3:40 AM > To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: Re: [newbie] Isn't ~/.bash_profile sourced only at login ? > > > 2005. január 31. 07.21 dátummal Hugh Dixon ezt írta: > > >-Original Message- > > > > I'm not sure if I'm hijacking this thread, but, for my > interest, could > > someone who does know explain what this script does/how it works? > > > > (It's the stuff in the [*] that isn't obvious to me...) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Hugh > from man bash: >When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, > or as a non-inter- >active shell with the --login option, it first reads > and executes com- >mands from the file /etc/profile, if that file > exists. After reading >that file, it looks for ~/.bash_profile, > ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, >in that order, and reads and executes commands from > the first one that >exists and is readable. The --noprofile option may be > used when the >shell is started to inhibit this behavior. > >When a login shell exits, bash reads and executes > commands from the >file ~/.bash_logout, if it exists. > >When an interactive shell that is not a login shell > is started, bash >reads and executes commands from ~/.bashrc, if that > file exists. This >may be inhibited by using the --norc option. The > --rcfile file option >will force bash to read and execute commands > from file instead of >~/.bashrc. > > greetings > Ati > > Thanks! Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Isn't ~/.bash_profile sourced only at login ?
>-Original Message- >From: JoeHill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, 31 January 2005 10:47 AM >To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com >Subject: Re: [newbie] Isn't ~/.bash_profile sourced only at login ? >Change the script so that it is only run if fetchmail is *not* already running. >Here's the one I use: >ps ax > ~/tmp/bashterm >grep fetchmail ~/tmp/bashterm > /dev/null >if [ $? -ne 0 ] ; then >fetchmail >fi I'm not sure if I'm hijacking this thread, but, for my interest, could someone who does know explain what this script does/how it works? (It's the stuff in the [*] that isn't obvious to me...) Thanks, Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] [newbie] software install - Couldn´t open file
After changing plf mirror, the download went fine. Is this just part of life, or are there net admins that are interested in these sorts of problems? Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] software install - Couldn´t open file
I am trying to install Video-DVDRip through the software install option in mcc. I get the error message: ¨The following packages have bad signatures: Video-DVDRip-0.52.0-1plf.i586.rpm: Missing signature (Couldn´t open file) Do you want to conmtinue installation?¨ Couldn´t open file implies to me the rpm is missing from the mirror I am downloading from. Does anyone know if that is the case, and if so what can I do about it? (Connect to another mirror?) I have been getting this message for a couple of days now... ta, Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Fonts too small to see
I also have had problems with text size, and have been impressed by the number of applications for which "ctrl ++" (control +) enlarge the view. I frequently use the control key with + or - to 'zoom' in or out, depending upon how I'm going on the day :) (this is mostly konqueror, kmail and gimp...) Hugh -Original Message- From: Kenneth Rhodes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2005 5:59 AM To: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: Re: [newbie] Fonts too small to see On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 09:31 -0800, Owen wrote: > Even though my eysight is poor I don't have any trouble with my > Microsoft box. > > But data of the same nature on my Mandrake box is so small I am > distressed in trying to read it. For example the type of text I have > trouble with is: > (Opening Screen) "Welcome to Mandrake Linux" > "All About Mandrake Linux" > "Mandrake soft offers a comprehensive > range..." > It is this last line I have problems with. The font is too small . I have > a 20 inch LCD monitor > so the problem isn't screen size. Is there a solution or am I just stuck? > Owen > > Owen, a little more information as to specifically where you are reading that opening screen. It sounds as though you are in Mozilla or some other browser in which case you can adjust the font from the preferences menu. You can also ajust your fonts system wide from one of the KDE, GNOME, or XFCE configuration menus. For example, in GNOME select system>configuration>Gnome>Fonts. Hope this helps, -- Kenneth Rhodes 100% MicroSoft Free Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] RE: nVidia
Thanks for this post. I don´t have my card at the moment, but will keep this for if (when) I get it back. A set of clear instructions are near essential for me, and I couldn´t find/discover anything that worked for me from the nvidia site. (I now think the problem is hardware, so this is not a linux matter at all really. Under windows XP the machine kept rebooting, whereas under linux it runs fine under VESA.) Changing the subject a bit, does anyone know anything of xi drivers? (http://www.xig.com/) I know suggesting a proprietry option may cause some reaction, but I just wondering if they are used, and to get some user responses. Hugh -Original Message- From: Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 11-Jan-05 05:34 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Cc: Subject:Re: [newbie] RE: nVidia On Monday 10 Jan 2005 10:29, Edward Holcroft wrote: > You can download a very nice nvidia installer for Linux on the nvidia > website. and it also helps if you follow the instructions put up by a user on this forum. http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/nvidia.html The instructions certainly helped me! Excellent . -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Mandrake 10.1 Microsoft Free <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: FW: [newbie] RE: nVidia
Your problems with ATI sound like mine with nvidia. My interest is in the CAD area, and I like decent 3D acceleration - which it seems to me, to something that the card manufacurers are not willing to provide to their linux users Combined with my ignorance of linux this leads to frustration on my part :( Oh well Hugh -Original Message- From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 11-Jan-05 00:06 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Cc: Subject:Re: FW: [newbie] RE: nVidia -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 Jan 2005 12:50, Hugh Dixon wrote: > I have a dual head G450 and it is excellent, but, from the web sites it > appears that matrox development for linux has stagnated (the linux drivers > are beta, and have been that way for over a year..) My problems with nvidia > - I hope are mostly hardware, rather than driver related. > It seems to me that the problems with nvidia cards are rather like the problems with Creative sound cards - models that appear to be the same, aren't, so that they are not as predictable as we would like. I don't play games, so at a pinch I can do without 3D acceleration, though it is a great help for video processing. > My observations are based on what I have read from the manufacturers > support sites. It may just be that ATI cull anything less than > complimentry from their site, while the other manufacturers allow any > ratbag to express their view :) > > Ann, What are the problems with your ATI carded machine? > I'm possibly being unfair, but Mandrake wouldn't load at all with the card in one computer. I changed it to another box, got Mandrake loaded, but when I went to check the graphics configuration it crashed and trashed things so badly that re-installation was the best option. It is running 10.1 now, but without proprietary drivers. I can do without acceleration on that box. Of course, many problems stem from hardware incompatibilities within the system, so maybe it's not the fault of the card, but my experiences were far from happy. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB4n3gkFAvMr/nNX8RAms5AJ9GWUF1zuSPy90eePdfHLWVqnP8IgCeLZev kFp05JOmXTnKAAGgsPWo1dA= =q6ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: FW: [newbie] RE: nVidia
I have a dual head G450 and it is excellent, but, from the web sites it appears that matrox development for linux has stagnated (the linux drivers are beta, and have been that way for over a year..) My problems with nvidia - I hope are mostly hardware, rather than driver related. My observations are based on what I have read from the manufacturers support sites. It may just be that ATI cull anything less than complimentry from their site, while the other manufacturers allow any ratbag to express their view :) Ann, What are the problems with your ATI carded machine? Hugh -Original Message- From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 10-Jan-05 22:16 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Cc: Subject:Re: FW: [newbie] RE: nVidia -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 Jan 2005 11:10, Hugh Dixon wrote: > I have recently had a lot of trouble with an nvidia card - I think the > problem has been with the card, not the linux drivers. However one think I > have observed is the dissatisfaction with nvidia on their linux site. I > have noticed the same with matrox (the other card manufacturer I have dealt > with) but the ATI site seems to be quite positive. I don know if anyone > else has any first hand experiance with the card manufacturers, but from my > observation of their web sites, I am tempted to go ATI next time I need a > card > I don't know about the latest cards from Matrox, but I have a dual-head G400 on this box (I only use 1 head, and the nvidia card is on another box). I have had not the slightest problem and I have used it with every version since 8.1. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB4mP/kFAvMr/nNX8RAm/dAJ40AE0GRWL+fsrg1lo8Ie0AhA7NNACaA3Gw Kp9ySsiB08yZFiaeVB/vRaw= =ZheE -END PGP SIGNATURE- <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
FW: [newbie] RE: nVidia
I have recently had a lot of trouble with an nvidia card - I think the problem has been with the card, not the linux drivers. However one think I have observed is the dissatisfaction with nvidia on their linux site. I have noticed the same with matrox (the other card manufacturer I have dealt with) but the ATI site seems to be quite positive. I don know if anyone else has any first hand experiance with the card manufacturers, but from my observation of their web sites, I am tempted to go ATI next time I need a card my 2 cents worth... Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] open GL development - QT
Thanks for the post. It will take me a bit of time to sort this out, but it definitely points me in a new direction - I've been going in circles :( My interest -currently- is to explore NURBS, so suspect the base qtwidget will be more than adequate. Having windows, but little Linux, experience, covering the basics is excellent. I'd really like to see more 'why' and 'what' documents to complement the 'how tos'... I was beginning to wonder if this really is the best place to post. Thanks again, Hugh -Original Message- From: John Layt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 31 December 2004 2:01 PM To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [newbie] open GL development - QT On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:45, Hugh Dixon wrote: > Hi, > I'm a windows developer wanting to investigate OpenGL programing under > linux. I am using Mandrake 10.1, but have been having trouble with > graphics cards. I currently have a system running, and have looked > through the KDeveloper tutorials. I now want tostart on OpenGL. I > gather QT is suppose to have a widget that supports OpenGL, however I > cannot find it on my installation. > > Can someone please confirm that the mandrake install of qt should > include this widget? > > If so, I suspect it is not installed on my machine because of the > trouble I initially had with my graphics card (the trolltech site says > it is only installed if openGL headers etc are available) > Uninstalling QT developer tools, forces the uninstall of a fair number > of other packages, which I don't want to do. Can anyone suggest a way > to 'refresh' the install of qt, and/or force the install of the openGL > stuff? > > Thirdly, Is qt the best way for me to go for an intro to openGL? I am > familiar with openGL under windows (and even on a sparc box). I would > however like access to a GUI API, which is why I though the QT widget > was the way to go.. > > Any comments? Hugh, I messed around with the QGLwidget a while ago for a project I never finished (typical, huh?). I can't guarantee that what follows still holds, but it worked about a year and 2 Mdk versions ago. Excuse me if I cover ground you are already aware of, but I find it's best to never make assumptions, and it's helpful for other interested observers. Well, I'll make a couple... I'm assuming that you're coding C++/QT/KDE (so I'll ignore C/Gtk/Gnome options), using KDevelop, and that you have a urpmi source configured for Contrib. Now for the possibly insulting parts :-) About RPMs. Mandrake splits software into 3 types of RPM packages. There's the Applications RPM, the Library RPM and the Development RPM. The Application RPM holds the actual executable that goes in /usr/bin and related data and config files (Windows equivalent = .exe's). the Library RPM holds any common library files provided by the application that go in /usr/lib (Windows = .dll's). The Developement RPM holds all the include files that you need if you want to compile code that use the libraries, these usually have -devel- in their name. I'll list below what I think you need (don't pay too much attention to any version numbers, that just what's on my machine, just use what you have for now) About OpenGL. OpenGL on Linux is usually provided by the Mesa project (http://www.mesa3d.org/) working in with X11/Xorg. To have Mesa OpenGL up and running, and able to be compiled against, you need the following packages installed: libxorg-x11-devel Mesa Mesa-demos libMesaGL1 libMesaGLU1 libMesaGLU1-devel libMesaglut3 libMesaglut3-devel Things are a bit more complex if you use an NVidia card, as they provide their own GLX library, but so long as you install the NVidia drivers AFTER Mesa, you should be fine, as it should also install it's own include file. Make sure you actually have 3D acceleration working by running Tuxracer or the gears program. If you have problems here, try to get them resolved before moving on. About Qt. Mandrakes version of Qt should have (as in used to when I played with it) support for OpenGL already compiled in (so you can ignore what the TrollTech site said about it only being enabled if the GL headers were available, that only applies if you do a compile of Qt yourself), and it should just work if you have all the required packages installed, you should not need to force a re-install. The RPM's you need for Qt are: qt3-common qt3-example libqt3 libqt3-devel And if you want the Qt database functions as well: libqt3-mysql libqt3-odbc libqt3-psql Qt has usually good documentation, which you can find online at: http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/opengl.ht
[newbie] open GL development - QT
Hi, I'm a windows developer wanting to investigate OpenGL programing under linux. I am using Mandrake 10.1, but have been having trouble with graphics cards. I currently have a system running, and have looked through the KDeveloper tutorials. I now want tostart on OpenGL. I gather QT is suppose to have a widget that supports OpenGL, however I cannot find it on my installation. Can someone please confirm that the mandrake install of qt should include this widget? If so, I suspect it is not installed on my machine because of the trouble I initially had with my graphics card (the trolltech site says it is only installed if openGL headers etc are available) Uninstalling QT developer tools, forces the uninstall of a fair number of other packages, which I don't want to do. Can anyone suggest a way to 'refresh' the install of qt, and/or force the install of the openGL stuff? Thirdly, Is qt the best way for me to go for an intro to openGL? I am familiar with openGL under windows (and even on a sparc box). I would however like access to a GUI API, which is why I though the QT widget was the way to go.. Any comments? Thanks, Hugh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Webcam Advice!
Hi, I have a Logitech quickcam pro. I spent a fair bit of time and effort trying to get it to work on Mandrake 10.0, and failed miserably... Mandrake 10.1 auto detected it, installed Gnome meeting, and it all just happened! Checking the Hardware compatibility list sounds like a good idea... Hugh -Original Message- From: JR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 28-Dec-04 21:07 To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Cc: Subject:Re: [newbie] Webcam Advice! Hi Ricardo, First of all, welcome to webcam hell. I'm kidding - but the biggest problem you will have is with hardware. Mandrake has a compatability page listing various hardware. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/hardware.php3 Then, if you decide to go with gnome meeting, you will need to install video4linux at the backend. The webcam I have is not compatible and I couldn't be bothered getting another so I fell at the first hurdle - but I imagine if you get a compatible camera you'll be fine. HTH JR On Monday 27 December 2004 01:13 am, Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote: > I´ve never thought of using a webcam but, now I need to install 2! > > One for mdk 9.2 and one for mdk.10.0 Official. > > Any hints on brands and software? > > I´ve heard of Gnomemeeting... > > Any ideas? > > TIA > > Ricardo Castanho <> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Re: The effect of
I doubt I elected to install it - but maybe. To me it is two steps back from geekdom than using the CLI !! hugh -Original Message- From: Erylon Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 4:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of On Sunday 19 December 2004 09:40 pm, Hugh Dixon wrote: | Another option is to run midnight commander (mc) from the terminal, | after su ing. Not as pretty as Konqueror though | | Hth | | hugh | | That will work--and mc looks like the old Norton Commander from DOS days. It will require you to "urpmi mc" though, because I don't think mc is installed by default (I have it but I think I had to install it). e Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Re: The effect of
Another option is to run midnight commander (mc) from the terminal, after su ing. Not as pretty as Konqueror though Hth hugh -Original Message- From: Erylon Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: The effect of On Sunday 19 December 2004 03:29 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | > Removing read permission from directories would indeed limit user | > rodolfo as well as user alberto, but that is where sudoers can help | > you. sudoers would give rodolfo permission to perform certain | > commands as if he were root user. | | Yes, | | the problem with sudoers is that (as far as I know) | one can only use them from command line, not in graphical mode (is | that right?). But it's comfortable to navigate through files and | directories with Konqueror. That's why I didn't consider this | solution. | | Rodolfo | | No, in a terminal type: kdesu konqueror A pop up password logon box will appear, and after you type the root password it will open konqueror as root. Back in the "old days", before 9.1, there was a shortcut in the start menu for accomplishing this, but it was removed for security purposes. Since then, I make my own shortcut for this action. I sometimes want to drag and drop files as root, because I am constantly making typos when I try to move or copy from the command line. Me Bad e Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Virus laden e-mail
What's the IP address? I fit the profile, and as our windows admin is not around, I cannot check the status of our antivirus software... hd -Original Message- From: Greg Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 11:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Virus laden e-mail Is anybody else on this list getting bombarded with virus laden e-mail from a particular ip address in Australia? Whoever it is is sending to the address that I use for the Mandrake lists, so I am thinking it may be one of our newbie windows users. If you use windows and are in Australia, please check your box for viruses. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
