Re: [newbie] Linux and Satellite Modems
>but the question is..with 2way satellite web service on >the horizon now,what type modems will they require. From what I've seen so >far it looks like usb. What are the odds one of these will work in Linux? For the one I've seen, exactly zilch. Nada, fugedaboudit. Reading the fine print reveals that Microsoft is one of the primary financial backers of the service. And the tech support people were absolutely not forthcoming with details, so getting enough info to write the driver software is unlikely. Of course, that may be just the guys in my area. If There is someone else getting intot he market things could be different with them. MB
Re: [newbie] script help
>> listen <010:atm1.7530>
>> listen <010:atm120.7080>
[...]
>> How I can extract of the second column since ':' to '.'
>> example:
>> <010:atm1.7530> atm1
>> <010:atm120.7080> atm120
>
>cat datafilename | gawk -F: '{ print $2 }' | gawk -F. '{ print $1 }'
> outfile
>
or
$ cut -f 2 -d : datafile|cut -f 1 -d . > outfile
Probably uses fewer cpu cycles if the datafile is big.
MB
[newbie] Digital camera and USB (Sony DSC-S70)
OK, I know this is a long shot, but has anyone gotten *ANYTHING* to talk to a Sony DSC-S70? I'm running LM7.2, and I can't find anything which ships with it or on the net that will retrieve the pictures. It's connected via a USB port, not a regular serial, and I do have the USB drivers starting on boot, but since this is the only USB device I even own, I'm not really sure how to tell if it even works. I do know that it works in W98, does not work in WinNT4.0, and so far doesn't appear to be reachable with LM 7.2 using the 2.2 series kernel. Thanks, Michael
[newbie] History Time (was: the origin's of bash?)
OK, here are some history lessons. I know this is pretty far afield of the bash question, but seems like a good place to bring it up. These first ones are about Unix, which predates GNU and Linux. Remember, Unix came from the telephone company, not a computer company. This is long and very good at explaining how things got here. http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/TUHS/Mirror/Hauben/unix-Contents.html These are shorter http://vertigo.hsrl.rutgers.edu/ug/unix_history.html http://www.rgs.vt.edu/unix_history.html Here it is from the horse's mouth. http://www.bell-labs.com/history/unix/ These are about GNU, which predates Linux Here's GNU from the horse's mouth. Not long, some good links. http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-history.html Here's GNU from the horse's whatever you think. (Hey, I like the guy, but a lot of people don't. Particularly Microsoft.) http://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html How GNU relates to Linux http://www.ajug.org/info/tech/java-linux/history.html http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html And now Linux. Remember, Linux is just a kernel. LM 7.2 is a distribution of Linux kernel and a bunch of GNU tools and a bunch of other tools. (X, for example.) Again, from the horse's mouth (These are the same text, just in case one's not available when you look.) http://www.unix-wizards.com/linux-history.html http://www.li.org/linuxhistory.php And other views http://ragib.hypermart.net/linux/ http://gmml.slctech.org/~mackay/install-guide/node10.html
Re: [newbie] the origin's of bash?
>> http://www.d.kth.se/~d96-jja/bash/bashtut.html#history >> Basically it's the GNU replacement for sh. >> > Does anyone know where bash came from? >Origenally there was the bourne shell in unix, when linus needed a shell >he revived it,improved it and called it the bourne again shell or bash >!! Jeez, RMS is pulling his hair out! Check the link above. It's not from Linus; he's responsible for the kernel. It's from the GNU project, and the name is a joke. (Bourne again shell) It couldn't be called a Bourne shell, which is what shipped from AT&T, but it's a drop in replacement superset of the old Bourne shell. All the old !sh scripts I've ever tried run correctly under bash, and /bin/sh is usually a link to bash. MB
Re: [newbie] How do you tar /usr/share/apps
>I'm a bit stuck with the tar commands. I would like to tar the entire >path: /usr/share/apps > >Can some one help? This will create a compressed archive with relative path which is restricted to apps/files $ cd /usr/share $ tar czf apps.tgz apps/ This will create a compressed archive but have longer path data $ cd /any/place/you_have_a_big_enough_filesystem $ tar czf apps.tgz /usr/share/apps/ The c means create, x is extract. The z means filter with gzip. The f, which must be last to work in some versions, means put it in this file name I specify first on the command line. You can also use cvzf for a verbose or cvvzf for very verbose if you want to see whats happening. MB
Re: [newbie] Mail delayed
Yes, mine have been, but if it gets rid of the dual posts then I supposed it's OK. >Is anyone else noticing that their posts are delayed quit a long time, like >up to 24 hours?
Re: [newbie] My Linux Box
>What I tell you. It's monster. How do you kill this? What did that >character say in Lost in Space? KILL, something or other, DESTROY! Do you mean IDAK? Instant Destroyer And Killer
Re: [newbie] Why use linux at all? - not heresy, just want astraight answer please+a laff
Well, I've seen a lot of "because the other guy is bad" stuff. And I've seen a lot of "I want my computer more stable" stuff. But neither of those really address the reasons I've been fooling with Linux for years. And none of my reasons may be meaningful to you. The context in which I run Linux is really a bit different than an average home user. The reason I run Linux, in addition to, not as an alternative to, Windows (pick your flavor) is I want the toolkit that grew up in the Unix world. I had been a Unix system administrator for years before I got stuck with my first Windows 3.0 box to take care of. That first Windows experience I found frustrating because of the very limited tools, so I would dump the ini files to an SCO box to actually work on them. Linux, Windows, Novell, the various BSD packages and the commercial Unix's have come a long way since then. But I still find the toolkit that's standard in the Unix world to be superior to the toolkits that cost money in the other worlds. It's basically a simple math problem. The tools are better (for what I need, maybe not for what you need) and the price is almost free. (OK, It's free, but for Heaven's sake buy at least one CD from some poor sucker trying to make a living at this.) Can I dump Windows. No, I'd go out of business. I'm sitting here at an NT 4.0 box writing this in Outlook Express because I've been working on something for a customer this morning. When I hit the send button this NT box will find the outbound SMTP server using a DNS server on a RedHat box, and drop the mail into the queue on a FreeBSD box at the ISP office by routing through another RedHat box running pmfirewall to set up the ipchains. Our NIS domain in handled by a Sparc running OpenBSD, and the home directory and printers are handled by a Mandrake 7.0 and a Mandrake 7.1 box. The inbound mail is handled by another Mandrake box, and when my mailbox gets out of hand I drop back into a shell and use procmail to move everything around. If I'm on the road I still read my mail with elm (oh goodness, this guy must be *OLD*). My own personal workstation is a dual boot between NT 4.0 and RedHat 7, and the workbench machine behind me is a dual boot between W98 and Mandrake 7.2. All of the other desktops in the office are some flavor of Windows. So, why do we use Linux? Because it fills a niche, and does it well. Michael
Re: [newbie] Flashing BIOS under Linux?
>Can it be done or will I need to make a dos boot disc? > >I have only Linux on here, no dos or windows. That's pretty much determined by the MoBo manufacturer. We're talking about hard core down in nuts and bolts hardware here. Way, way, way before any OS gets involved in the picture. You'll just have to see what the board can do. Check their website to see if an updated bios is available. MB
Call Signs (Was: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux)
KA7ZNZ Michael >Here a Ham, there a Ham, everywhere a Ham Ham : ) > >KC4KSC > > > >On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, Vic wrote: >> Hey are you a ham? I am >> N0VED >> >> 73 >> >> On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Rick Commo wrote: >> > Mark, >> > >> > Very good comment! With 100+ messages a day from [newbie] and [expert] I >> > was tempted to do just that but figured at some point I could be an >> > Elmer. As used here, "Elmer" is a term used in Ham Radio for a person who >> > helps a beginner get up and running. >> > >> > Happy Holidays and Season's Best to all >> > Rick >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Mark Hillary >> > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 10:51 AM >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux >> > >> > >> > I wasn't making a comment about the thread. I just don't like it when >> > people join, get the help that they are looking for the leave not helping >> > anyone else. >> > >> > Mark Hillary. >> > >> > Ps Anyway I like getting lots of email. Makes every say "Wow why do you >> > get so much email". Then I can laugh. > >
Re: [newbie] Hi Fellow-Penguin Newbies! Anyone know anything about Primary and Second Servers?
>When I disconnect my Primary Server from service- I want the Secondary >server to automatically take over providing the websites I am Hosting. > >My question is: > >Does MY DNS Info at the Open SRS Database tell the world to look at my >Primary IP and if it is "down" will traffic automatically look for my >Secondary IP? You misunderstand what the primary and secondary DNS server's jobs are. Those machines are the traffic cops to tell the world where your various hosts are (IP address). If the primary DNS server is down, then the secondary server still tells everybody where your hosts are. What you're trying to do is get your standby web server (not DNS server) to take over the role of servicing the http requests. That's possible to do, and one way is how you described it. There are also tools that can do it for you automatically, but I'm not readily familiar with them. Grab a book on TCP/IP and get to know what DNS does. And remember to keep the concepts of server="computer" and server="program that does a job" seperated in your mind. For example, you might make your primary DNS server the same physical box as your standby web server, etc.
Re: [newbie] Virus on Linux?
>> Side note here on PMFIREWALL >> >> I installed it day before yesterday, ran the script. Was very easy - mostly >> I accepted defaults. Then I ran a scan on my system. Much to my surprise, >> I was wide open on ALL my udp ports... Reran the setup looking for what may They may not be open. If you check your messages log you probably have hundreds of DENY entry. The problem is that UDP packets don't necessarily get a response, so no response may look open. If the port is closed then a closed message is sent. If the port is shut down completely then it's denied and may look open to the scanner. MB
Re: [newbie] Shut down problem
>> After I hit the shut down button, Mandrake begins >> a shut down sequence. And the machine actually beeps stating that it's >> shutting down but immediately after it shuts down, it auto reboots itself. This is a hardware problem, particularly with a lot of older machines. You've got APM enabled in the BIOS, and Mandrake is issuing a power off after shutdown command, but the hardware is blinking back on and starting the reboot process again. Either disable APM or twiddle with the BIOS setting for it. Really old hardware wou;dn't shut off at all, mot of the new stuff correctly powers down, but I've got a few machines around here that do exactly what you describe. I just killed APM on them.
Re: [newbie] Visio replacement
LinuxCAD claims to be a Visio replacement. I've asked them about file compatibility, etc. and they claim to be a "full featured" replacement. I don't know if that's for Visio 2000 or Visio 5.0. Frankly, I've never tried it out just because that's low on my priority list. The third party ER tools we use with Visio are much too Visio specific to work correctly in Linux. :-( http://www.linuxcad.com/ >So is there a Visio-like tool for Linux or not? I'd like to know, too. Thanks.
[newbie] Microsoft IntelliMouse
Does anyone know if a Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball's wheel switch acts as a middle button? Thx, MB
Re: [newbie] Financial programs
Alan Shoemaker wrote: > I personally went a > little farther and bought a shareware package called > Moneydance <http://moneydance.net/>. So, of the people who use Moneydance, how is it? Fantastic, not bad, or wouldn't buy it again? MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Linux is like a wigwam... No windows, no gates. Apache inside.
All the emails come to me (Was: Re: [newbie] 386/387 coupling)
>i m new linux user too >i dont know why all mails came to me . All the emails come to everybody on the list. That's so everyone can see both the questions and the answers.
Re: [newbie] Differences of "version"s of a distro release & distro families
>Given that there are different major groupings of linux distributions >(Red Hat, Debian, ), and that different release versions are not directly >comparible (like RH 6.1 vs. LM 7.0 which I understand to be basically >comparible--using the same kernel revision, similar versions of major >components like X-windows, etc.), I have noted that there are also different Probably the most important thing to understand is that the distributions are more closely related to each other based on their respective release dates than anything else. Most everyone puts in the latest release of all the components available at time of the distribution release freeze. So the distribution numbers are pretty meaningless for comparison. As for kernel versions vs. other parts of the distribution, remember that "Linux" per se is really just the kernel and it's sources, nothing else. Way back in the dark ages one had to grab the sources from usenet, compile a kernel, then see if you get it to boot on your system. And you had to start with some *OTHER* Unix vendor's system to get a working kernel. There weren't any "Linux" distributions. The vast majority of the components in a "Linux" distribution, at least from the toolset perspective, come from the GNU project of the Free Software Foundation. And you can actually build a GNU kernel (HURD) and make yourself a working Unix-like system with only GNU software. There are other avenues, too, like OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc. Other components, like the Taylor UUCP system, MIT's X-windows, etc. are not really related to the Linux project or to the GNU project. But they're included because that's what's necessary to make a "working" Unix-like system. So, how all this came about is an interesting bit of history, and I might get a few details misplaced or mispelled. I'm sure someone will correct me if need be. Back in the Dark Ages, i.e. the late 80's, AT&T still owned Unix, still licensed it for resale by other vendors under other trademark names (HP/UX is HP's name, SunOS - later Solaris - is Sun Microsystem's name, Xenix is Microsoft's name [yes, Xenix is a trademark of Microsoft, and they sold SCO rights to use it after MS had Xenix on a jazillion Radio Shack Model 6000 multiuser business computers], and AIX is IBM's name), and everybody used mostly the same code base, kinda sorta, but not really the BSD guys, who were already in a religious war. There was an Internet between many campuses, a bunch of government sites, and the big guys like IBM, DEC, etc., and there was Usenet, which was a giant electronic user's group of sorts with many sites on the Internet and another jazillion nodes all passing stuff around on modems using uucp to store and forward. (Anyone still got a Telebit?) Now, a lot of AT&T's source code was kind of rough around the edges with age, so people started writing their own versions of stuff, like Paul Vixie wrote Vixie Cron to replace the AT&T cron, Stallman and the FSF were busy cranking out gcc and family to replace the native development tools, rcs showed up to replace sccs and then cvs was built on top of rcs, and a bunch more. And in the good ol' days everybody passed around source code with a few notable exceptions, like AT&T and licensee's. (This was Stallman's big beef.) Well, after a while - like the early 90's - just about everything had been replaced, with a notable exception of the system libraries. Linus had been working on Linux and passing it around, and we were compiling it and cursing it when we couldn't make it work, but we were still using the system libraries from the AT&T licensee's even though we had replaced cc, make, yacc, and all the other development stuff with the GNU tools and replaced everything else with the various packages floating around in the comp.sources.unix archives. Note, here's where I differ from many of the mainstream reports which claim the kernel was the missing piece. It was really the release of the GNU libraries, thank you Richard Stallman - genius or madman I don't know, which made it possible to put together a working system from the various pieces which didn't need anything with AT&T origins. A kinda sorta working Linux kernel had been around for months by then. So, people like the Slackware gang, and others I didn't play with, started gathering up all the parts and putting them together as a single unit. Thus was born a "Linux" distribution, free and clear of any AT&T stuff. Note that the FreeBSD guys were working toward the same goal, a complete system free of any AT&T copyrights. The BSD derivatives are definitely *NOT* Linux, that's a different diatribe, however they definitely *ARE* Unix-like operating systems. (And from the perspective of an ordinary non-technical Joe User, who get's parked in front of a computer at work but someone else maintains the thing, the two are probably indistinguishable.) >versions of the same release (ex: Linux-Mandrake 7.1 "download" and retail >versions). J
Re: [newbie] Differences of "version"s of a distro release & distro families
>Given that there are different major groupings of linux distributions >(Red Hat, Debian, ), and that different release versions are not directly >comparible (like RH 6.1 vs. LM 7.0 which I understand to be basically >comparible--using the same kernel revision, similar versions of major >components like X-windows, etc.), I have noted that there are also different Probably the most important thing to understand is that the distributions are more closely related to each other based on their respective release dates than anything else. Most everyone puts in the latest release of all the components available at time of the distribution release freeze. So the distribution numbers are pretty meaningless for comparison. As for kernel versions vs. other parts of the distribution, remember that "Linux" per se is really just the kernel and it's sources, nothing else. Way back in the dark ages one had to grab the sources from usenet, compile a kernel, then see if you get it to boot on your system. And you had to start with some *OTHER* Unix vendor's system to get a working kernel. There weren't any "Linux" distributions. The vast majority of the components in a "Linux" distribution, at least from the toolset perspective, come from the GNU project of the Free Software Foundation. And you can actually build a GNU kernel (HURD) and make yourself a working Unix-like system with only GNU software. There are other avenues, too, like OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc. Other components, like the Taylor UUCP system, MIT's X-windows, etc. are not really related to the Linux project or to the GNU project. But they're included because that's what's necessary to make a "working" Unix-like system. So, how all this came about is an interesting bit of history, and I might get a few details misplaced or mispelled. I'm sure someone will correct me if need be. Back in the Dark Ages, i.e. the late 80's, AT&T still owned Unix, still licensed it for resale by other vendors under other trademark names (HP/UX is HP's name, SunOS - later Solaris - is Sun Microsystem's name, Xenix is Microsoft's name [yes, Xenix is a trademark of Microsoft, and they sold SCO rights to use it after MS had Xenix on a jazillion Radio Shack Model 6000 multiuser business computers], and AIX is IBM's name), and everybody used mostly the same code base, kinda sorta, but not really the BSD guys, who were already in a religious war. There was an Internet between many campuses, a bunch of government sites, and the big guys like IBM, DEC, etc., and there was Usenet, which was a giant electronic user's group of sorts with many sites on the Internet and another jazillion nodes all passing stuff around on modems using uucp to store and forward. (Anyone still got a Telebit?) Now, a lot of AT&T's source code was kind of rough around the edges with age, so people started writing their own versions of stuff, like Paul Vixie wrote Vixie Cron to replace the AT&T cron, Stallman and the FSF were busy cranking out gcc and family to replace the native development tools, rcs showed up to replace sccs and then cvs was built on top of rcs, and a bunch more. And in the good ol' days everybody passed around source code with a few notable exceptions, like AT&T and licensee's. (This was Stallman's big beef.) Well, after a while - like the early 90's - just about everything had been replaced, with a notable exception of the system libraries. Linus had been working on Linux and passing it around, and we were compiling it and cursing it when we couldn't make it work, but we were still using the system libraries from the AT&T licensee's even though we had replaced cc, make, yacc, and all the other development stuff with the GNU tools and replaced everything else with the various packages floating around in the comp.sources.unix archives. Note, here's where I differ from many of the mainstream reports which claim the kernel was the missing piece. It was really the release of the GNU libraries, thank you Richard Stallman - genius or madman I don't know, which made it possible to put together a working system from the various pieces which didn't need anything with AT&T origins. A kinda sorta working Linux kernel had been around for months by then. So, people like the Slackware gang, and others I didn't play with, started gathering up all the parts and putting them together as a single unit. Thus was born a "Linux" distribution, free and clear of any AT&T stuff. Note that the FreeBSD guys were working toward the same goal, a complete system free of any AT&T copyrights. The BSD derivatives are definitely *NOT* Linux, that's a different diatribe, however they definitely *ARE* Unix-like operating systems. (And from the perspective of an ordinary non-technical Joe User, who get's parked in front of a computer at work but someone else maintains the thing, the two are probably indistinguishable.) >versions of the same release (ex: Linux-Mandrake 7.1 "download" and retail >versions). J
[expert] Alert about how domain names are changing
Brian Livingston's column in InfoWorld has a rather frightening revelation about ICANN, the body which ultimately controls many internet domain names, is making changes to how they do business. For the details see http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/00/07/24/000724oplivingston.xml He gives the address http://members.icann.org/join_now.htm to join as a member at large so we have a voice in the process, but you must do so by July 31, 2000 to be included. Please check this out, and if you're likely to have an interest in the outcome please register. Thanks, Michael
Re: [newbie] Kingston nic card question
>looking for the Kingston KNE110TX nic, and I did not see it, >I read on RedHat or something that it simply takes a tulip driver, I have had both the KNE100TX and the KNE110TX work with Mandrake. I never had to do anything beyond the ordinary install, but some people have had trouble. Michael
Re: [newbie] $6.50 for MDK 7.1 2-CD set (GPL version)
Hey! Let's get real here. He's a guy offering to do a few friends a favor, not a vendor going into the CD business. A dozen people take him up on the offer and we all get a warm fuzzy about how tight the Linux community is. 1200 people take him up on the offer and it will go away. >:A quick look shows cheapbytes charges 6.99 for MDK 7.1 2 CD set, the $1.99 >:price is for MDK 7.0 single CD. Matt includes shipping in his price,
Re: [newbie] Linksys LNE 100tx problems w/ mdk7
> >I tried setting up a Linksys LNE100TX NIC on my HP / MDK7 / Win98 machine. I [...] > >My buddy said to buy a supported NIC like a 3COM. Maybe he's right, but the > >Linksys should work... right? I have a Linksys LNE100TX in a Mandrake 7.0-2 box that I use as a samba server on our internal network. Frankly I had no trouble configuring it. It just worked automatically after the install. Here's the card settings from my machine. Let me know if you want anything else. (But I'm not the network guru here.) Here's "cat /proc/pci" (Nothing special here. It's about halfway down.) PCI devices found: Bus 0, device 0, function 0: Host bridge: Intel 440BX - 82443BX Host (rev 3). Medium devsel. Master Capable. Latency=32. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xf800 [0xf808]. Bus 0, device 1, function 0: PCI bridge: Intel 440BX - 82443BX AGP (rev 3). Medium devsel. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=136. Bus 0, device 7, function 0: ISA bridge: Intel 82371AB PIIX4 ISA (rev 2). Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable. No bursts. Bus 0, device 7, function 1: IDE interface: Intel 82371AB PIIX4 IDE (rev 1). Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable. Latency=32. I/O at 0xffa0 [0xffa1]. Bus 0, device 7, function 2: USB Controller: Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 1). Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 10. Master Capable. Latency=32. I/O at 0xef80 [0xef81]. Bus 0, device 7, function 3: Bridge: Intel 82371AB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 2). Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Bus 0, device 11, function 0: Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic Unknown device (rev 1). Vendor id=1013. Device id=6003. Medium devsel. IRQ 10. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=4.Max Lat=24. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xffafe000 [0xffafe000]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xff90 [0xff90]. Bus 0, device 19, function 0: Ethernet controller: LiteOn Unknown device (rev 37). Vendor id=11ad. Device id=c115. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=8.Max Lat=56. I/O at 0xec00 [0xec01]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xffafff00 [0xffafff00]. Bus 1, device 0, function 0: VGA compatible controller: ATI Unknown device (rev 0). Vendor id=1002. Device id=5246. Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. IRQ 11. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min Gnt=8. Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xf000 [0xf008]. I/O at 0xdc00 [0xdc01]. Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xff7fc000 [0xff7fc000]. = Here's the conf.modules (Nothing special here either.) = alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc pre-install plip modprobe parport_pc ; echo 7 > /proc/parport/0/irq pre-install pcmcia_core /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start alias sound alsa alias eth0 tulip -- Michael R. Batchelor - Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc. Linux is like a wigwam... No windows, no gates. Apache inside.
Re: [newbie] SAMBA
Check out the man pages for smbmount and smbmnt. This pair should do what you want. >I have, for some time, been trying to figure out how to use my Linux box to access files and printers on my NT and Warp Server >networks. The obvious answer is SAMBA.
Re: [newbie] WolfRyder and his censoring
>any time you type in the word you use to sign up for this message group or to sign >off. You get filtered, so we cannot tell someone how to get out of here >nor discuss any of the useful subjects like filtering. We're talking about two different filtering mechanisms here. The mandrake filter prevents people from start flamefests regarding joining and unjoining. The original thread was about a "seven dirty words" filter at a subscriber's site. Both filters exists. Michael
Re: [newbie] watch what you say on this list
This "filtering" isn't done by Mandrake, but by someone's site who is subscribed to the list. I've gotten a couple back from the same site myself, related to some oddball word they considered "forbidden". Just blow them off as paranoid. They're free to run their site any way they feel. I think the Mandrake site archives all the maillist messages. But not all sites archive all their mail. We sure don't. The warning message only comes back to the person who originally sent the message, not to the list, so they aren't really singling out anyone other than the poor sucker on the list who isn't getting these filter messages. Michael >This is news to me. Not good news either. > >Not that I'm trying to be sarcastic, but isn't all mail archived anyway?
Re: [newbie] COM3
>Does anyone know what IRQ is usually assigned to COM3? Thanks Com1 and Com3 are traditionally IRQ4. Com2 and Com4 are traditionally IRQ3. (Don't ask me why the 3's didn't go together and the 4's didn't go together. I've always thought that was stupid.)
Re: [newbie] lost+found folder
>> > If your system dosn't get shutdown properly and some errors occur on the >> > harddrive, linux puts the files there which have been damaged. To understand the lost+found folder you need to understand a little of how Unix handles the filesystems. (OK, GNU/Linux, but that's hairsplitting for the lawyers.) In order to speed up disk access so that a program may write out something, then get back to whatever it was doing, the operating system creates a number of write buffers for the disk. (Remember that most of this stuff came about when a 95 ms access time was king of the hill.) Basically the OS has a section of memory that it accepts bytes destined to go on the hard drive, then lies to the requesting program that it's been written so the user program will get back to its business. Then the system really flushes the bytes out to the physical disk later when it gets a chance. Part of the shutdown routine is to force the disk buffers to sync all their data to the physical drive before the system halts. As part of that sync procedure the systems writes a flag to the filesystem that all the buffers are clean and the file system is intact. This flag gets changed when the filesystem is used to indicate that the *LOGICAL* state of the hard drive does not match the *PHYSICAL* state of the hard drive. (Way over-simplified, but you get the idea.) If you just reach out and kill the power or some terrible, bad, naughty program crashes the system this flag says "DIRTY" and the startup procedure runs the fsck (FileSystemChecK) program, which is somewhat analogous to the windows scandisk program. Now, fsck does a whole bunch of swell things, and you should probably read the documentation if you really want to know the nuts and bolts details. But one of the things it does, if it finds an intact (somewhat) file with no place to call home it stuffs it into the lost+found directory and gives it a generic name similar to the MS-DOS C:\FILE.CHK stuff. They might be trash, or they might be treasures; it's up to you to look at them and decide. The fact that GNU/Linux does this automagically is a remnant of the days when the central host was a big box kept in a glass house and tended by high priests called "system administrators" around the clock. >> > > What is this folder for? I've never seen anything in it. It's good that you've never seen anything in it. I hope you never do. Just remember to shut the system down properly. (And don't run any naughty programs!) MB
Re: [newbie] 7.02 ISO image question
>I downloaded the 7.02 ISO file to disk. I then tried copying the file to a >CD. The CD recording software (called just!Data) on my PC seems to have >just copied the .iso file onto the CD - there is no directory structure or >anything. Should the recording software have taken care of that, or I am >missing a step or ten ? Do you have one of the Sony CD-RW drives in a commercially integrated package? I've seen just one of those (a Compaq), and it included the just!data software. I couldn't convince it to correctly restore the image. As you state, it will copy the ISO file to a single *BIG* file on the CD, but it won't restore the image. The EZ_somethingorother software which came with the HP in our office works fine, but I don't know of a place to download it. (Obviously they're trying to sell CD-RW drives, not give away software.) Perhaps someone knows of a shareware or free writing tool. I doubt rawwrite is going to work. MB
Re: [[newbie] cable modem]
use "ipconfig /all" >Well that would work in win98, but I'm running win2k pro. and winipcfg >doesn't work..
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
>What you want to find is an Xterminal application for Win32 like micro >xterm or something (or like the aforementioned Exceed). Using one of >these applications to log into a Unix machine running an X server, you One minor nit. In the X world, the "server" is the program which performs the drawing services (the xterminal), and the "client" is the program which requests the picture to be drawn. So, if you have an X session running on Windows and are connected to a Unix/Linux/Something else host running some program, then the X server is the program on the Windows machine and the X client is the program on the host. For example, if I run Exceed on my Windows machine and have a gimp window showing from my Linux box, then Exceed is the X server and gimp is the X client. I.e., gimp requests that a circle be displayed with thus and so characteristics, and Exceed acknowledges the command an draws a circle within the limits of the video display. It's very confusing because the "client program" is actually running on what we normally think of as the "server host" while the "server program" is running on what we normally think of as the "client workstation." 90% of the time this is meaningless hair splitting, but occasionally this is a critical distinction to understand. It's sure sent me in circles a few times. MB
Re: [newbie] i386 vs. i586
>Would you mind translating this into english? > >Dreja Julag wrote: > >> If you do beowulf, you usually need i386, right? cheap hardware -- fast >> performance Beowulf is an ancient English language epic... no wait, wrong list. Beowulf is a Linux clustering technology. My observation was that it's not for the faint of heart. It's probably pretty good for analyzing volumes of numerical data in scientific circles, but I doubt you'd get a faster web browser. MB
Re: [newbie] running windows in linux
>I saw a screenshot on the mandrake site that had the linux operating system >running with a window open running windows. This was probably VMWare. Check out www.vmware.com >I need this because I have one >of the only cable modems in the dang country that you have to force to dial >(it sends through phone, receives through cable). I doubt you need this. Is the cable modem external and connected to one of your serial ports? If so, then you can probably convince ppp to dial it for you. You might have to plow through a lot of stuff to make it work, but it should work. Tell us some more details, like what model the modem is, what does Windows use as a connect string, etc. And once you get it all working and know the steps then write it all up and make a how-to for other people! (You're really not the only one who has that model. Everyone else on your cable provider has it, too!) Michael
Re: [newbie] Shutdown/Restart
>For a newbie: What is the most correct way to shutdown and restart linux? The easiest way is to login, or become, root and issue the shutdown command. The su command will give you root access. $ shutdown -h now will bring the system down. $ shutdown -r now will reboot the system. Some systems, depending on configuration, will reboot with ctrl-alt-del key combination. If the shutdown command doesn't work for some reason you can manually sync the disks and halt the system, but that's not a good place to start the learning curve. There are also a lots of ways to configure control operators, but that's overkill for the average home user. MB (Give him a break, guys. He asked nice.)
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
>rant on [...] >until the Linux community gets this web browser "crap" resolved, to me, >Linux ain't worth the CD it is shipped on. [...] >rant off I hate to say it (again), but this is absolutely correct. To gain widespread acceptance any Linux distribution *MUST* have a good browser, a good email package, and (oh no! here it comes!) support Winmodems, ... ugh, Linmodems! Anything short of this and it's a sideshow in the big market place. Sure, you'll get people like me stuffing it into server rooms to do all kinds of stuff. But we'll never tell the pointy haired boss. Michael Linux user #162430 InterNIC handle MRB7 (Yeah, that's right. Number 7!)
Re: [newbie] Qmail and Mandrake 7
>Has anyone installed qmail on Mandrake 7? If so, do you know of any how-tos >or whatever? I'd like to intall from rpm if possible. It's not possible. The qmail license requires distribution in source code format only. No precompiled binaries are allowed. (Unless it changed recently.) If you compile it, though, it does work. We install qmail on all the systems here, and it's fine. If you want to use procmail with qmail you have to mess around with procmail and compile a custom version. If you don't need/want procmail then there's no issue. MB
[newbie] 10/100 ISA cards?
Does anyone know of a *REASONABLY* priced 10/100 ISA Ethernet card? I can find Intel and 3COM cards for about $150, but that's outrageous when I can get a cheap switch for almost the same price. Thanks, Michael
Re: [newbie] DiskDrake
>So I can install linux along with windows without >destroying my data on the FAT32 partitions? Yes, this does work. I've tried it once with 7.0 successfully. I allowed DiskDrake to resize an 8 GB partition down to 2 GB. I don't know if I'd try it without a good backup, though. MB
[newbie] xdm login blanking
Anyone know how to get xdm to blank the login prompt like a screen saver?
[newbie] 7.0 and i810
I noticed that 7.0 has xfree86 3.3.6, which has support for Intel i810. The xfree86 site claims that i810 support is disabled by default because it requires a special kernel module. Is that module supplied in the 2.2.14 kernel in 7.0 and is i810 support enabled out of the box or not? Does anyone know. Given the huge number of new i810 machines coming on the market these days this might be important. After all, I'm asking. Michael
[newbie] OT Richard Stallman -- Boycott Amazon! (http://linuxtoday.com/stories/13652.html)
http://linuxtoday.com/stories/13652.html Richard Stallman -- Boycott Amazon!.url
Re: [newbie] WinNT Explorer won't refresh the diskette
>Recently I installed a Promise Ultra66 IDE controller and also a Quantum >Fireball Plus KA 18.1 GB hard drive (connected to the Promise Ultra66). A >couple weeks later, I installed an HP CD Writer Plus 9100i. After >installing this hardware, my Windows NT Explorer no longer refreshes the >diskette between disk changes. I have the same problems under Win95 Windows >Explorer. I do not have this problem under the Linux Mandrake OS. Matt, I don't have an answer, but I understand the problem. The HP drivers have a negative affect on the floppy disk drivers in NT. (I don't use 95, so I don't know about it.) I have, so far, not found a solution to this. It is absolutely a software issue in that the OS no longer sees the "disk change" line toggle from the hardware. But I haven't been able to fix it and I have been able to duplicate that installing the HP software in several IBM portables renders the floppies inoperative. The reason you can still copy "file1" is because the OS caches the file in memory, and since it no longer sees the disk change signal it just does the "copy" from the cache. You can force an update by trying to access the disk with a write, and the FAT will be wrong so the OS will update. But that is a miserable pain in the butt. Perhaps with that as a starting point someone else can point both of us in the right direction. Michael
A place for LinModems? [Long-OT] (was: Re: [newbie] modem configuration problem)
>Of course, some company had to go and break that rule... That's right, >there are now LinModems as well. Do yourself a favor and avoid them. >There are better things for a CPU to be doing than the work of a $.50 >part on a modem. I'm not so sure this a good long term strategy. I agree that using a $200 CPU to replace a .50 chip is pretty stupid, but some of the DSP based software modems are very robust at call management in the MS windows environment. At the risk of flames, let's think about the discussion that was raging through here a few weeks ago about browsers. I made a strong point that the browser and email client were crucial for maintaining a desktop presence. I'll be willing to stick my neck on the line and make a similar statement that the same is true for telephony applications. And there are surly others I haven't thought through yet, all of which will be "crucial" to the long term success of Mandrake as a desktop. But how can they all be "the one crucial app" you ask. Well, they're not all the "single" crucial application (but I think the browser is probably most important user application). The crucial application is the whole system. If we think about an automobile for a minute I'll explain. In an automobile the user expects to be able to use the "entire" package upon delivery. But no individual piece of the package is suitable to the drivers purpose, only the entire package. No automobile salesperson would think of trying to get me to settle for only an engine or only a transmission or only tires. None of those individual components is sufficient to meet my transportation needs. Likewise, no salesperson is going to try to convince me to accept a vehicle without an engine or without a transmission or without tires. Each of those components is necessary for the package to function as intended. These are the analogous parts for the browser and email client. Like it or not, most of the millions of PCs which will be sold this holiday season are for people to surf the net and exchange email. Neither is sufficient; both are necessary. Period. That's life. Get over it. Now, lets go back to the automobile. As I'm standing on the lot looking at the various items for sale, I notice that some of them have cute little map lights and rear window defrosters. I decide I like those touches, and I'm swayed by emotion rather than logic. The truth is I almost never need the cute little map light and the rear window defroster, but I buy then anyway. (OK they're crucial for some drivers, but not most.) The call management functions of a WinModem will be available to about 90% of those PCs sold this year, and almost nobody will ever use them. I've personally bought 5-6 computers/modems with all that stuff in the past few years and never turned any of it on. But I would guess that 10% of the people who buy the stuff try to use the call management functions, and perhaps 5% of the people who try it actually continue to use it. So, in the long run, lets assume that 0.5% of the users actually find the call management function useful, and everybody else abandons it. So, do we say, "Well, nobody uses it in the long run, so we'll leave it out." Or do we acknowledge that, "Despite that fact almost nobody is going to use this, it's a major selling point on the front end. So we need it, or we'll be shut out." Now, let's finally consider one more totally unnecessary option available on modern automobiles. Back in the 1920's Cadillac developed an "electric starter" for their vehicles. At that time it was an extreme luxury. These days, however, you cannot buy a production automobile without an electric starter. And if we started the "Mandrake Automobile Company" making cars without electric starters we'd go out of business fast. Even if we made astonishingly beautiful vehicles with map lights and rear window defrosters, ordinary people will still flock to the "inferior competitors" who have those convenient electric starters instead of a crank. Well, the electric starter is the installer routines. And, while it's true that Mandrake may be a far technically superior and elegant choice to many of the other Linux distributions, and to that "other" OS, it's a bitch for Grandpa to get set up compared to taking an HP Brio with Win98 preinstalled out of the box from Wal-Mart. If anyone wants to help with that aspect, I'd suggest that it's probably the most crucial hurdle to overcome. (There is a group named SEUL - Simple End User Linux, www.seul.org, but I don't much about them.) So, I've ranted enough. More OT comments? MB
Re: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic
>Thank you, thank you, thank you. Confirmation from a third party that >the poor IS guy in the trenches is the decision maker. It amazes me how insert ^^NOT^^ >many people are willing to shoot the messenger. I'm not going to say >that there aren't some first class butt heads who work in IS, but I know >some of those out on the plant floor and in the warehouse and in the >boardroom. Sorry
Re: [newbie] Mail
>O.K. now the next step in the process. As most of you know, I have been >setting up a network here at work using linux as my server. Samba to let >the window box's talk to the server. No I would like to add internal >e-mail When you go about setting things up you need to decide if you want *ONLY* internal mail, or if you'd like to allow users to send mail in and out also. Michael
Re: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic
>Take a hint. The filter is there for a reason. If you've got a >complaint about it, take it up with HR. IS doesn't make the rules, it >follows them. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Confirmation from a third party that the poor IS guy in the trenches is the decision maker. It amazes me how many people are willing to shoot the messenger. I'm not going to say that there aren't some first class butt heads who work in IS, but I know some of those out on the plant floor and in the warehouse and in the boardroom. MB
Re: [newbie] A little OT- Memory
>If anyone has suggestions for places to find the best prices on memory >upgrades that I can use for my PIII 450 linux box I would appreciate it. >I am going to be using it as a server and need at least PC100 128 meg >chips (though I would like to buy 256 if I could find an affordable >source). I have looked at several mainstream mailorder places and prices >vary widely. Y'all can email me directly if you think this is not of >general interest to others. Thanks much. I would check out www.pricewatch.com first to see what's there. I've bought several modules from www.memorymonster.com, which one of my engineers found through the pricewatch site. Good price, good merchandise (PNY), terrible email response, no phone. (Misspellings, no order number, etc. Obviously a garage type low budget operation.) But the stuff worked, delivery time was quick to the US east coast, and the price was right. No sales outside the USA. Don't know where you're located. MB
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
>> But the "2" in "2001" is not. here is a good one...are zeros od or even? >> >According to a report on NPR last night, they were assumed to be even. I think if you talk to a "real mathematician" (which leaves me out) zero isn't odd or even, just as the negative numbers aren't odd or even. The quality of oddness or evenness only applies to whole numbers, i.e. positive integers. MB
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
>> But the "2" in "2001" is not. here is a good one...are zeros od or even? >> >According to a report on NPR last night, they were assumed to be even. I think if you talk to a "real mathematician" (which leaves me out) zero isn't odd or even, just as the negative numbers aren't odd or even. The quality of oddness or evenness only applies to whole numbers, i.e. positive integers. MB
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
>> But the "2" in "2001" is not. here is a good one...are zeros od or even? >> >According to a report on NPR last night, they were assumed to be even. I think if you talk to a "real mathematician" (which leaves me out) zero isn't odd or even, just as the negative numbers aren't odd or even. The quality of oddness or evenness only applies to whole numbers, i.e. positive integers. MB
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
>> But the "2" in "2001" is not. here is a good one...are zeros od or even? >> >According to a report on NPR last night, they were assumed to be even. I think if you talk to a "real mathematician" (which leaves me out) zero isn't odd or even, just as the negative numbers aren't odd or even. The quality of oddness or evenness only applies to whole numbers, i.e. positive integers. MB
Browser (was Re: [newbie] Opera for Linux)
[Don asbestos flame suit]
>
> >Face it, the open source community just doesn't find browsers "sexy" to
> >create.
>
> Well, they better change their minds on that one. It's where Linux looses
> the game if the only browser that's useful is IE.
That depends on the goals of the open source community.
Originally it had nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft bashing, and
if Bill Gates purchases the USA in order to fire the DOJ, the people who
were, and still are, in the middle of the "Open Source" movement rather
than the "Bash Microsoft" movement won't bat an eyelash. THEY DON'T
CARE. Read some of the stuff about and by Richard Stallman before anyone
had ever even *HEARD* of Microsoft Windows. (Hell, I coerced my boss
into sending him $100 in 1989, and I had never even seen a copy of
Windows.)
> [...]
> I'd encourage anyone who can write documentation or code to point your
> browser at mozilla.org and see if you can help. Sexy or not, the browser is
> the most important app on the desktop computer today, and Linux doesn't have
> one.
>
If you care about Linux having a significant presence on the desktop, I
think this is about the most sound assessment of the situation today.
Like it or not, the corporate desktop is driven by the masses who *ARE
NOT COMPUTER GEEKS!* Those masses care about
1) the browser
and
2) HTML Mail {Help me! It burns! It burns! Take it away!}
Bill Gates may be a lot of things, but he is not stupid. And when he
integrated IE and Outlook into the Windows desktop he was exactly right. And
anyone who wants to compete *MUST* compete there. No amount of perl code
will unseat him.
But, again, what are the goals of the "Open Source" movement. To provide
a freely available set of tools to meet their own needs? Or to compete
capitalistically against a well heeled competitor who *IS GETTING PAID!*
I'll wager that the "savior" of Linux on the desktop will be the one who
can figure out how to make a profit on the browser and HTML mail reader.
It may be open source or it may not, but I'm confident it will be the
one who can make a profit.
MB
P.S. If you *REALLY* give a damn about Linux on the desktop, stop giving
the poor newbies such a hard time about the HTML tags in their email.
Get over it, that's where the world is headed.
[Remove flame suit. Claim you were drugged and forced to say it.]
--
Michael R. Batchelor
Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)]
>Wow, they taught us CPM in trade school, kind of reminded me of >DOS, it had a C compiler to build the executables and such. You mean somebody taught you an OS?! The military taught us digital theory on circuts built with individual transistors in TO3 cans, but there wasn't any concept of "the operating system." The circuit just did whatever it was wired to do. (Nowadays that's called the microcode.) My first computer as a teenager was a plastic educational toy called "Digi-COMP I" which was programmed with drinking straws and had a mechanical clock you cycled by hand. MB
Re: [newbie] SQL systems comparison?
>> >> Is it free? Can I get RPMs of it somewhere? If not, I'll pass thanks. >> >I believe Sybase *is* free (for now... later versions MAY >cost money.) Check out the following UR -- >http://www.sybase.com/products/databaseservers/linux/index.html This directly from the web page above. Download links are on the page. Adaptive Server Enterprise for Linux version 11.0.3.3 continues to be offered as a free, unsupported release for development as well as deployment. Adaptive Server Enterprise for Linux version 11.0.3.3 is available from the Sybase Adaptive Server Enterprise for Linux version 11.0.3.3 download web page. Adaptive Server Enterprise 11.9.2 is offered FREE for development from the Sybase Adaptive Server Enterprise 11.9.2 download web page. You can purchase support even if you download the free development copy. You can get the software on CD with printed copy of Installation guide for $99 from Sybase sales. To deploy Adaptive Server Enterprise for Linux version 11.9.2 on a production box, contact Sybase sales at 1-800-8SYBASE. Michael
Re: [newbie] executing programs
M L Cates wrote: > I have tried typing the name > of the program in at the prompt and it says "command not found". The "current directory" is probably not in your path. try typing $ ./program_name Which means run the program right here in this directory. > I have tried > to type "sh" before the filename and am told "cannot execute binary file". That's right. The shell is looking for a list of shell commands. Michael -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
[newbie] ucSimm, not ucLinux
I wrote: >Some of this is beginning to change. The guys at http://www.ucLinux.com >have developed a small module for industrial control which runs a Linux >kernel. Some pictures of it are mirrored on our machine at > http://www.ind-info.com/ucLinux . Sorry, that's http://www.ind-info.com/ucsimm It's a Linux box on a 30 pin simm form factor. We just have some pictures. See the guys a www.uclinux.com for the whole story. Michael
Re: [newbie] WOW!!!
>Linux can handle many of your needs, but because it is really just breaking >into other mainstream areas outside of the server market, some areas need a >lot of development. Industrial applications such as you're doing, PLC's, >process controls, and SCADA systems are some of the areas where very little >development has been done when compared to server and desktop applications. Some of this is beginning to change. The guys at http://www.ucLinux.com have developed a small module for industrial control which runs a linux kernal. Some pictures of it are mirrored on our machine at http://www.ind-info.com/ucLinux . After the first of the year we're going to begin work on a communications driver to Allen Bradley SLC 500 devices. (Hopefully PLC5 will follow shortly thereafter.) OUr ultimate hope is for the PLC to control, and a Linux box to record and display. I know there are others, too. Michael
Re: [newbie] SQL on Linux
>Does anyone know of a good online SQL tutorial for a db novice regarding >linux specifically? Should I be looking toward MySQL or is there another >Linux SQL package that is worth investing time in? Thanks for any direction. It really depends on how much you know about SQL. If you don't know anything about relational database design I would suggest you start with a book about (gasp!) Microsoft Access printed by O'Reilly. The title is something like "What you REALLY need to know about Microsoft Access" and it's the best introduction to relational database design I've see in a long time. But it won't help you with anything Linux specific. And it's not online. MB
Re: [newbie] GREP
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Shannon M. Johnston wrote: > Does anybody know what the grep command do? grep = Global Regular Expression Processor $ grep dog filename will spew out every line in filename which contains the string "dog" Read through the docs for grep and egrep, then get the O'Rielly book. Understanding this stuff will be the most useful thing you'll ever learn about Linux/Unix. (I've been doing this since '87, and I've learned a lot of useful and useless stuff.) MB
Re: [newbie] BUG: 6.1
Axalon, You and Steve wrote: >> If you expected no bumps when we went from Redhat(c)+, to Redhat(c) >> compatible, I really don't know what to tell you. It is going to be bumpy, >> but no one will get bruised, promise.. > >I've been here since 5.3, using every release in between. 6.1 is the >absolute most broken distribution I've ever laid hands on. You've got a >smart group of people there, but you're spending time developing new things >while your distribution rots. [...] >taking a break from all of the "extras" and get back to making sure >the base distribution is solid? I think both of you have reasonable points. What is changing is that MandrakeSoft is now moving from business childhood to business adulthood. In the past it was a group of dedicated, enthusiastic people with a vision. And from the 5.2 version on you were targeting an audience much the same. Certainly there was a hope that there would be financial reward if you pulled it off, but it was a big gamble. Now, however, you've really started to get a lot of notice and well deserved attention, but you really are moving into bigger business world. And the Mandrake business model has got to change with it. Unfortunately, the new model you must have is exactly the same one where a few other competitors are already very good. People with names like Bill Gates and Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison. They may like and admire you just fine, but they'll eat you for lunch if you don't pay attention to the customer. As for Steve's point about cooker, look at the fact that MS has delayed Windows NT 5.0/Windows 2000 repeatedly. To make a real dent in the corporate world the stuff MUST work out of the box. Absolutely no excuses. Frankly, if this hiccup is the only one Mandrake ever has you'll rule the world. But for now, stop,check out where your revenue comes from, and make your major revenue providers happy. Michael
Re: [newbie] Procmail
> what you put in your ~/.forward file? I've tried several variations, including > this one given in procmail's manpage: > > "|exec /usr/bin/procmail" > > And it does not work. Try removing the exec so it looks like "|/usr/bin/procmail" just in case your sendmail is configured to deny exec. That should dump the message directly into procmail's standard input. Of course, you need to verify that procmail is actually installed in /usr/bin, too. MB
[newbie] Intel 810 chipset
Has anyone tried, successfully or unsuccessfully, to install Mandrake 6.1 on an Intel 810 motherboard? Does any Xserver support that chipset yet? Thanks, Michael
Re: [newbie] (OT) -- About HTML
>All of the settings I have refer to plain text, so my question is, does >Outlook have a mind of it's own, as most Microsoft products do? Does it >inherit the format from the post I am replying to? Yes. Under tools options send There is a check box second from the bottom about replying in the format the sender used. Deselect the choice. MB
Re: [newbie] what is?
> > The one thing I would ask is, the 128M swap limit comment is taken from the > Linux Mandrake manual for version 6.0. Does this mean that I have bought a > product whose documentation is already out of date?? > Yes. Things change so fast in the Linux world that the documentation can be out of date in 24 hours!! MB
Re: [newbie] install problems 13.0gig
>> Kernels have to be in the first 8.4 GB of a harddisk. (This is not a Linux >> bug, but a BIOS problem. Stuff like EZDrive won't help you either). [...] >so why doesn't someone come up with a BIOS fix for this? >(although you SHOULD be able to squeeze the kernel in the >first 8.4G SOMEWHERE :-)) Or is there some technical reason >for this limitation? It's not that easy to write a BIOS fix because there is some configuration issues with the controller electronics. It's somehow all tied up in backwards compatibility with old IBM PC's, but I can't remember the specifics. Other hardware architectures don't have the problem. MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] shell scripts
At 10:34 PM 7/9/99 -0700, you wrote: >how do i write shell scripts..? >can someone please show me an example... cd to /usr/bin type "file *" This will give a list of the file type for everything in the /usr/bin directory, and many of them are really, really good professionally done shell scripts of different types. Copy some of them to your home directory and start hacking away. Look at the O'Rielly Nutshell books, too. MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] Fwd: Re: [SATLUG] more networking help
At 01:27 PM 7/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >I'm using a BNC cable with 2 'tee's' with caps on each end. >Should I do away with the 'tees' just plug them in directly to solve my >problem? *DO NOT* remove the tee's and caps. They're a design part of the hardware known as the "physical link layer" and that part is working fine. Remember, you can see packets on the other machine. And never plug together two tees to get a junction with three connections. (At least not if you need it to be reliable!) MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] Win/DOS Emulator - VMWare
At 01:26 PM 7/8/99 -0400, you wrote: >> Do you know how they got VMWare to use the existing installation of NT? I'd >> like to do the same with Win98. > >You use the "raw disk" option to use an alreadt-install OS. I have used this >with Win98 and it works fine and does not corrupt the regular Win98 >installation. Can Win98 (or WinNT) inside the vm access anything on the Linux partition, or is it locked in? Alternately, can the Linux OS run samba and let the windows vm mount the samba share? MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] Review of Mandrake 6.0 (URL)
At 03:43 PM 7/6/99 -0500, you wrote: >I think you misunderstood my post. If Mandrake makes no $, fine, it's >legal, but if we don't support the developers of our Distro of choice then >they may disappear. If you buy the book and no support goes to Mandrake or >RH or whoever, at the least it grows the group of users of a great distro. >If you are _able_ then buy the boxed set of your _favorite_ distro as a way >to support them. Just as important, contribute to discussions on Usenet, >maillists like this one, web-based help sites and documentation projects. Let me second this as an *IMPORTANT* concept. I personally own two boxed Mandrakes, and both were purchased *AFTER* I had working copies of the ISO in my office. And I'll readily burn a copy for people around town who only want to try it or can't afford the price. But, given some of the ridiculous license fees I pay Microsoft/Oracle/Sun and some others just to stay in business, paying the minor cost of a boxed Linux distribution is morally obligatory to me. (Particularly considering the main servers in our office are Mandrake boxes.) Like he says, if you're *able* to purchase a boxed set, show your support. And if you're not, then that's OK. Take what you need and help out the next guy when you can. But please contribute *something*. MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] NIC cards and Cable modems
>> We'll be getting a cable modem ISP before the end of the year, and I was >> wondering how compatible they are with Linux. Are they a pain to set [...] >q: Are they a pain to set up? >a: nope not the slightest The technology isn't too hard, but your cable company might be. If they are anything like the one here, just tell them you have a Windows 95 computer, let them set it up, then look at how it's configured after the person leaves. Don't even get into the Linux discussion with them. MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] VMWARE
At 09:48 PM 6/29/99 +1000, you wrote: >Has anyone managed to successfully get VMWARE(any version) working on >linux-mandrake? >I can get it installing fine, the configuration wizard works, but then when >I hit the power on button, it crashes >and gives me a segmentation fault. What kind of CPU are you using? It's somewhat fussy about that. We have one guy here who couldn't get it to run on one non-Intel (don't remember if AMD or Cyrix) but it works reasonably well on a P-Pro 166. Not real fast, but good enough to let you check out some NT questions without having an NT box handy. The jury is still out to lunch for us about how useful it will be on a daily basis, but I'm reasonably encouraged by his success so far. MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] How to install my 56k modem
At 10:03 AM 4/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >Does this mean that Diamond MM modems won't work? I have a 28.8 and a 56K. Don't know anything about these specific modems. >Both have software drivers (.inf files) that are loaded, but I think both In windows an inf file is an instruction file for how windows is supposed to deal with the device. A regular external modem which *is not* a winmodem will have an inf file if it comes with a windows device installation routine. (Usually to take advantage of some "specialness" or extend the command set past the standard AT commands.) >have processors on them.I think I will just need to reset the jumpers on There are a couple of hardware configurations which get the generic name "winmodem". The first is a true winmodem where all the modem card has on it is a few tone converter chips and the entire modem functions are handled by a program which runs in the windows environment on the computer's main CPU. This is by far the slowest setup, and least likely to ever have any Linux support. The second is a DSP (Digital Signal Processor) based board which requires a piece of program code loaded into it to work. The DSP chip is really a highly specialized CPU chip. So it doesn't require anything from the computer other than the service of downloading it's instruction set. For some of these, if you boot windows so the instruction set gets loaded, then reboot and load Linux *without turning off the power* they will work. Others don't work because they reset on the reboot rather than on power loss. (I have no idea which models are which. Someone posted a great modem resource site some time back. Anyone still have it?) The second category, DSP processor which requires code loaded into it, is probably going to be the first group to get Linux support as Linux becomes more popular because all that must be written is a small program to shove the DSP instruction set into the card and a device driver to talk to the hardware's physical address. Conceivably it could be call from the rc scripts and the modem would work from then on. (As an aside, it's probably possible to reverse engineer some of the windows loader programs, strip the DSP code from it, and write a device driver and code loader program for Linux without support from the manufacturer. But it's probably a few hundred hours of work, and it's almost defiantly a copyright violation to redistribute the DSP code. The best bet would be for several hundred users to demand Linux support from the manufacturer.) >the modem to disable PnP and set the IRQ manually.Am I wrong here >anyone? If it's really a "traditional" modem, then you're all set. In fact, if you can disable the PnP and manually set the IRQ you probably have a "traditional" modem rather than a dysfunctional one. MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] Committee for the Moral Defense of Microsoft
At 04:11 AM 4/21/99 -0700, you wrote: >I'm not convinced that it is a joke... It is definitely not a joke, but it *IS* an alternate mind set. (Not an altered mind set, an alternate one.) Basically the argument boils down to, "Microsoft deserves whatever success they work to create. (And they're very good at it.) If you choose to take them on, feel free. Best of luck, and such. If you - the Linux community - become wildly successful as the result of your own work, then you, too, deserve the success you work to create." Or to paraphrase Walt Whitman, "Breaking up your neighbor's furniture won't make your furniture look any better." Or in street vernacular, "You want to beat Bill Gates? Then quit worrying about Bill Gates, build a better product, and start worrying about your customers." Michael -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
[newbie] Samba
Mark, Samba is really a deep well to probe in a newbie list. But here goes. We can move to private e-mail if it get's to detailed. We use samba in an NT network in our office, with Samba as the primary file and print server running Mandrake 5.3. (Our primary file and print services used to be an NT server and we had Samba on a Sparc running Solaris 5.6, but the Sparc's going to get a new life without Samba. Still have other NT servers as special applications servers.) It works fine, but there are a *WHOLE BUNCH* of issues about how NT and UNIX treat security that need to get examined. The problem you're describing, not allowed to login from this station, is probably happening because the hosts /etc/hosts, /etc/hosts.equiv, ~/.hosts.equiv, hosts.allow, or hosts.deny files are not set up correctly. Basically, the UNIX security mechanism is throwing you out rather than the samba sub-system. As a start, make sure the IP address of the machine you want to use as a samba client is configured in the /etc/hosts file, that you have the /etc/host.conf file setup to search the /etc/hosts file, and that you have the machine name as listed in the /etc/hosts file also listed in either the /etc/hosts.equiv file or in the users private .hosts.equiv file. This will get you past the UNIX security. typical /etc/host.conf file: order hosts, bind multi on typical /etc/hosts.equiv file: machine_1 machine_2 typical /etc/hosts file: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain 192.168.0.2 dhcp.foobar.com dhcp 192.168.0.10machine_1.foobar.commachine_1 192.168.0.9 machine_2.foobar.commachine_2 Read the man pages on all these files, and if you've got another UNIX box handy get rlogin or rsh working between them first. Then tackle samba permissions. MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
RE: [newbie] Really New
At 10:04 PM 3/30/99 -0800, you wrote: >(Russ)--- >And I am really looking forward to it too. > Good. > I did not get a manuel or >a boot disk. I didn't think it would be that difficult to make one (my >Kingdom for a boot disk). I started browsing through the CD and got >more and more confused (I couldn't find the bathroom). Making a boot disk is a little different for this than it is for dos. Look in the dosutils(?) directory for a program named rawwrite. This copies an image intoa floppy for you. The boot image, and a supplemental if you need it, are in the images directory. >So are you saying that Linux is not concerned with a particular boot >sector like DOS? Just basically wherever you put it? That's not really what he means at all. Since you've got a safe clean hard disk just try selecting the workstation install and let the system do as much for you as possible. This puts you in the place of having something to toy with rather than just readings a bunch of man pages. >them. Michael's suggestion to look in Index.000 was a dead end because >that file on my CD is empty. Try index.html >This is another slightly confusing point. You say it is Red Hat 5.2 >and KDE desktop. What is KDE Desktop. Does this replace the one from >Red Hat? Or does Red Hat not have one? It is RedHat 5.2. RedHat decided not to include KDE in their distribution because of some potential licensing issues. (Many of the KDE functions are based on a library which has a different copyright provision than the GPL, and that sort of got in the way. I believe that's been resolved now.) The various window managers, desktops, my setup is better than your setup arguments and such are all just as applicable for Linux as they are for dos/windows. KDE happens to be a very popular (and pretty good) system that's a little hard to get working if you don't know what you're doing. The Mandrake distribution is RedHat with KDE already configured and set up. MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] Really New
Russ, At 04:41 PM 3/30/99 -0800, you wrote: >I just signed up to this list yesterday, and if what I am reading is >from "newbies", I am in trouble. You're not "in trouble", you're in for a learning experience. >Boy is this different than DOS Keep in mind that *DIFFERENT* doesn't mean the same thing as hard. It's just different. DOS was very different than CPM, but that doesn't seem to have hurt Bill G. Start by reading the little book which comes with Mandrake if you bought it commercial. If you got only a CD then plop it into the cd-rom drive and look at the index.000 file with a browser. Print out the stuff you want to read several times if you want. And keep in mind that, just like the kitchen, bedrooms, and toilets are in different places between my house and your house, we've both got them. All the "stuff" you're used to in DOS/Windows environment is in there somewhere, it's just in a different place; and it might look a little funny at first. And by all means, ASK!!! What they told you in grade school is still true. The only stupid question is the one you don't ask. MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] Autostart KDE
Bob, At 02:13 PM 3/24/99 -0600, Bob Bonifield wrote: >..I just needed to know a way to bypass >having to login in linux and make it so mandrake will automaticly start up >KDE on launch. The program which controls how the initial processes are spawned is (surprise) init, and it's controlled by a file name (surprise again) /etc/inittab. If you do a "man inittab" you'll get the manual page for the inittab file. This is where you cause a program to start automatically. Ordinarily the program which start automatically are (surprise yet again) the ones which prompt you to login! Often you'll see a UNIX system at a dedicated station with some user interface (like a medical office appointment scheduler) which is automatically started every time the system boots. No login prompt or anything. Just the user interface starts up. Most of the time the users don't even know there is a UNIX system underneath running things. The problem you might have is how to gracefully shut the system down without a keyboard. For that I'd probably look at spoofing a UPS input, and when you want things to shut down fake the UPS signal. Another thing you might want to consider, and I don't know enough about the mp3 player, is to skip trying to run the whole kde package and just spawn the interface necessary to run the sounds. MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] Ctrl-Alt-Del disable
> > go into your /etc/inittab file (this is the file that defines runlevels) - > and find the line that looks like: > > ca:ctrlaltdelete:/sbin/shutdown -r now Thanks for the pointer. I doubt logout is a good idea, because you're not always in a situation where a shell is running. What I did was make a little script /usr/bin/c_a_d, set it to chmod 555, and set the inittab entry to point to it. All the script does is print a few empty lines and then call /usr/bin/w so that some useful information is plastered onto the screen. == echo "" echo "" echo "" /usr/bin/w == Thanks again, MB -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
[newbie] Ctrl-Alt-Del disable
Not exactly a Mandrake specific question, but there's lots of good advice here. We've just moved one of our servers from WinNT to Mandrake 5.3 this weekend. No problems with desktop's etc., since the machine is basically just a big file and print server. However, what we've discovered is that *EVERYBODY* is used to walking up to the server bank and punching the Ctrl-Alt-Del combination to get a prompt on the screen. That's fine for the servers which are still NT boxes, but this Linux box proceeds to reboot, causing problems for everyone. I looked over the man pages for reboot and ctrlaltdel, but didn't see an obvious way to disable the default behavior. It seems the only choices are a hard reboot or a soft reboot, but no choice to disable rebooting? What am I missing? Michael -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] PCMCIA modems?
At 02:39 PM 2/13/99 +0100, you wrote: >The only thing I can say is to > avoid at all costs this kind of hardware. I understand, but I'd like some recommendations about PCMCIA modems which are know to work well with Linux. Michael -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
[newbie] PCMCIA modems?
Anyone got any surefire PCMCIA modem advise? I want to put Mandrake on a laptop, but the modem in it now is one of those winmodems things. Works fine under W95 but forget anything else. Michael -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
Re: [newbie] Need Mandrake CD
>If he can wait a bit, he should be able to get the 5.3 release of >Mandrake release. Downloaded it and just installed it and seems the >biggest changes in it are in the KDE desktop. It added the 1.1 Is this release also going to be available as an ISO image? When will it be up? Michael -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
[newbie] Mandrake iso image
OK, I downloaded the ISO image. (Wow, it actually finished!) Does anyone have a good step by step cookbook procedure how to make a CD from it? I have NT, Win95, Solaris 5.6, and RH 5.0 available to work with, but I can only burn a CD from NT or 95. I can't make a CD from either of the UNIX boxes. Michael -- Michael R. Batchelor Industrial Informatics & Instrumentation, Inc.
