[newbie] 8.1b3 upgrade and Remote SMB printer invocations
Just put 8.1/b3 up. Did an upgrade to 8.1b2 and things appeared to go smoothly except when it was time to reboot it hung (running a Duron on an Asus A7V133 mb with 12MB). Waited over 10 minutes at the same screen and didn't see any disk activity so I reset the machine. The next boot brought me to a "maintenance" login to fix disk problems so it looks like it hung with an outstanding "sync" in the queue. So I ran fsck and just said yes to every "Fix it?" prompt. We'll see what if anything comes back to haunt me. My Canon BJC4300, direct connected to LPT, seems to have died. It didn't work under 8.1b2 or Debian. It had been working under Debian and SUSe 7.1. So I tried to connect to either/both the HP855C or Lexmark Z22 served out by my WIn2K box. No amount of playing games with the printer set-up wizard would allow me to print. This leads to a question. Should the SMB server name have been entered in the form of "server_name" or "\\server_name" or "//server_name"? Similarly should the printer share be "share_name", "\share_name" or "/share_name"? I tried connecting with both "Administrator" and another local user name. Nothing seems to work. When I tried printing the test pages I could see the briefest bit of activity on network - the LEDs on the Netgear switch would blink once or twice. I was somewhat surprised that the package manager ran out to CD1 (which just happened to be in the drive) and brought a package - CUPS I think. When I thought about it for a second it made complete sense since I had skipped printer installation as part of the upgrade. Any hints greatly appreciated. Cheers, -rick winmail.dat Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] bugs - was: Mysterious Mouse pointer - Please Help!
Thanks for the reply! And it brings up a good point. Where can I find known bugs and where should I send what I think are bugs? -rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 9:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mysterious Mouse pointer - Please Help! On Monday 03 September 2001 10:27 am, Rick Commo escribió: > But fundamentally, I've always been attached to Mandrake so yesterday > I installed MandrakeLinux 8.1b2 - a *really* sweet process > incidentally! I found that I had to remove my "mouse", which is a > Logitech MarbleMan track-ball, from the KVM and connect it directly > to the computer > So it looks like Mandrake has some sort of bug in the mouse driver > they use or perhaps a configuration conflict. A known issue in 8.1b2, fixed in b3 -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mysterious Mouse pointer - Please Help!
>>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Burks >>Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 7:29 AM >>... >>I have an optical intellimouse connected through a Belkin KVM Switch (a >>cool little device that let's me hook up 4 computers to just one keyboard, >>video monitor and mouse). Occasionally after switching between ports I >>lose the mouse on the Linux machine. It sort of bobs around, opens up menus >>at random and other things. It looked to me like some kind of serial >>framing error, but I'm not quite sure exactly how a PS/2 mouse >>behaves. Windows would see a similar mouse problem, but would recover >>quickly so I'd only see one or two jerky movements or random menu openings >>before the mouse would return to normal operation. It's been a little over six months since this topic was current, but here is some more info. In the intervening months I have done, in the following order: (1) installed Debian potato (2) share the console with another box using the LinkSys two port KVM switch (3) installed SUSe 7.1 But fundamentally, I've always been attached to Mandrake so yesterday I installed MandrakeLinux 8.1b2 - a *really* sweet process incidentally! I found that I had to remove my "mouse", which is a Logitech MarbleMan track-ball, from the KVM and connect it directly to the computer When attached to the KVM it exhibited the behavior that Joe experienced and more. When the machine first boots there cursor comes up in mid-screen. As soon as the mouse is moved it warps to the furthest upper right hand corner of the screen and the pop-up menus flicker as the ball is moved. However, unlike Joe's experience, restarting the x-server did not cure things. So it looks like Mandrake has some sort of bug in the mouse driver they use or perhaps a configuration conflict. This KVM has worked flawlessly for months with Debian and SUSe. It would be nice if they could fix it before 8.1 release. Incidentally, the track-ball itself was declared as a plain old generic mouse during the install process; which is has always been just fine to date. For the record, the LinkSys KVM is one of the nicest I have ever used. I picked it up from an e-store for $60. For my money I got the two-port switch *and* the cables. Plus, the LinkSys is powered directly from the keyboard/serial ports. So you don't have to tie up a plug with another darn wall-wart. It would really be nice to have it work with MandrakeLinux -rick Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] OT - Hardware Dimensions
There are some other differenced between an AT and ATX board. The AT boards are an older design and used the older, large diameter keyboard socket (5 or 8 pins). They also used COM1 for the mouse. The ATX motherboards on the other hand use the modern 6 pin mini-din connectors for the mouse and keyboard. -rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Kramer Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 4:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hans N. Subject: Re: [newbie] OT - Hardware Dimensions Franki wrote: > If you have an AT board and case, the power supply has a seperate on/off > switch that cuts the power from the motherboard directly... (an AT board has > a power plug to the board that is made up of two seperate plugs.) Just a few points: 1. Just to make it clear, an AT motherboard must go into an AT case, an ATX motherboard must go into an ATX case. 2. Unless you find a case that can handle either. I've seen them advertised, never touched one. The metalwork has to be slightly different between AT and ATX (for the on board connectors, at least -- maybe there are some knockouts for either style?), the power supply plug to the motherboard must be different (maybe they would have both styles?), and ? 3. I'd double check a Compaq -- last time I tried to put a standard motherboard in a Compaq case, it didn't work -- it wasn't really a standard AT case (which means the motherboard wasn't standard AT either). That was probably 5 to 8 years ago, but ... Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Which config file specifies the X Server?
I am successfully running X on an ATI Expert 98 PCI card under ML 7.2. I would like to find out what X server is being used (XF86_MACH64 or whatever). It's got to be tucked away in some init file somewhere, but I can't find it. Anyone know? Thanks, -rick winmail.dat
RE: [newbie] eth0 won't start on boot... / [expert] Network weirdness
Thanks to Matt Micene for pointing me in the right direction in his post labeled "Re: [expert] Staggering Closer ??!!??". I was stumped by the fact eth0 wouldn't configure on boot but would by hand. Matt's post pointed me to look at /etc/modules.conf. In it were the two lines alias eth0 rtl8139 options irq=10 I got rid of the second line, "options=10", and rebooted. No error this time. It still stymies me as to why it broke on boot but not by hand. Both the BIOS and Linux showed the NIC at irq=10. Anyone out there have any ideas? But at least now it comes up with the network. Cheers, -rick winmail.dat
RE: [newbie] Mysterious Mouse pointer - Please Help!
Have you tried another mouse yet? Even a cheap one might do the trick to isolate the problem to either hardware or software. Perhaps you could borrow one from a friend if you don't have them laying around. -rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of - Ron - Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 4:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Mysterious Mouse pointer - Please Help! My mouse M$ Intellimouse, installed as a standard PS/2 has been working perfectly for months. A few days ago it began behaving in a very jerky manner. Sometimes it will stop moving altogether to 30 seconds or more. Other times the pointer will just disappear and menus will open on the screen, persumably wherever the hidden pointer is. Then it will re-appear and work fine for a minute or so, then back to jerky. I also noticed that booting into the console and running MC, the pointer behaves the same way. So it doesn't look like a problem on X or KDE. I can't imagine what may have changed. I'd sure appreciate a suggestion or two. I can hardly use the system now. Thanks all... -- Cheers! -Ron
RE: [newbie] LAN settings - (was: Setting up NIC under 7.2)
Jose, Thanks. Yes, I had rebooted. I still have to do some more playing around. My knowledge in this whole area is just generally rather weak. I would have presumed that the LinkSys actually provided the DNS server names once it got them from Verizon, my ISP. Currently I have all my machines (a whopping 4, including my laptop) set for DHCP so creating a hosts file is somewhat problematic unless there are some hosts semantics that I am not aware of. If it becomes too painful I will supply static IPs to all but the laptop. The laptop has to span 3 different environments and DHCP is required in 2 out the 3. Cheers, -rick > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 1:32 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Newbie > Subject: RE: [newbie] LAN settings - (was: Setting up NIC under 7.2) > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 3:43 AM > To: Newbie > Subject: RE: [newbie] LAN settings - (was: Setting up NIC under 7.2) > > Figured it out after a bit. Either the mainboard has a bad PCI slot or > the NIC was not seated properly. More likely the latter. I moved it to > another slot and that made it happy. I will try moving it back to the > original slot at some point in future. > > On to the next questions. > > The network here consists of a DSL modem into a LinkSys Router/Switch. I > set eth0 up for DHCP and that seems to work, but I had to set the DNS > manually. Is this normal? > [|JMS> ] > > Have you rebooted? > > If you configured your eth0 card for dhcp address allocation, you might > have to reboot to get DNS info from your ISP. > > Some ISP's DHCP servers may also not be configured to provide this > information to your machine. > > Watch your machine's hostname after a reboot. If it changes to something > you did not type in, your ISP is providing info... > > --- > > > My reason for asking is that my Win2K box is set up for DHCP and as part > of getting its address it also gets the gateway and DNS addresses as well. > So I did an ipconfig/all on the Win2K box as a quick and dirty way to > print out the DNS servers. > > [|JMS> ] See above > > > > Is it necessary to have a fully qualified domain when the machine is > behind a router and part of a private network? I can resolve names "out > there" on the other side of the router, but my Linux box can't resolve the > name of my Win2K box and they are both on the same subnet. > > [|JMS> ] > > Yes and no. > > Your Linux machine has to "know" about machines on your private lan. How > you go about this is up to you. /etc/hosts is the quick and dirty way for > small LANs. DNS/BIND with the DHCP update script is much more elegant. > > Until you set up one or the other, Linux will not know about your other > machines. For that matter Windows doesn't either. > > Remember your ISP's DNS can't "see" your private LAN, so Linux has no way > of obtaining HOST information unless you set something up. > > > [|JMS> ] -JMS > winmail.dat
[newbie] Setting up NIC under 7.2
Hardware: AT Motherboard / 80MB ./ Cyrix 8x96 chip @ 233Mhz D-Link DFE-530 TX+ Brand new installation went great except for graphics, which tested fine, but on the reboot the screen was black. Booted as single and fixed that. Now, how do I configure the DFE 530 TX+ for eth0? I've tried using DrakConf/"Network and Internet Configuration". I picked the Via Rhine, which this card uses. It says that it found one, and then goes away. Actually it says it finds whatever NIC entry I click on for that matter. I would like to get this up and running as eth0 using DHCP. Any ideas welcome! Thanks, -rick winmail.dat
RE: [newbie] motherboard compatibility: asus
I did a quick check of Linux Hardware Database http://lhd.zdnet.com/. Went to the Motherboard reference. Only saw two BCMs listed there the QS750 K7 and the QS754 K7. Doesn't mean that Linux can't e made to work on the I810, but it would seem to be a strike against it going into the game. -rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Don W. Jenkins Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 7:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] motherboard compatibility: asus My 2cents-I have been trying to get 7.2 to install on a BCM I810P, but it doesn't seem compatible with Linux. KDE, Gnome, and X have problems with it. Don W. Jenkins www.jinxinker.com www.maxfarce.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] FW: Federal security rules for financial firms issued as 'guidelines'
Please don't take this post as an attempt at being alarmist. I found it interesting and thought that the subscribers would find it interesting since Mandrake is based on RedHat. Picked it up from my work account. Cheers, Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Federal security rules for financial firms issued as 'guidelines' . . much deleted... . 'Ramen' worm hits some Red Hat Linux servers An Internet worm called Ramen has been affecting Linux-based servers running some versions of Red Hat's software over the past week, although security analysts said they haven't seen any permanent damage thus far. http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO56475_NLTpm%2C00.html . . more deleted... .
RE: [newbie] -C code=
Even better advice. Most of my experience was pre-heavy-hacking era (say 5 years ago) and was inside decent firewalls. I agree with your analysis and will take it to heart when I get Linux up on DSL here at home. Cheers and thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David E. Fox Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] -C code= On Monday 15 January 2001 07:46, you wrote: > For anyone doing any kind of binary executable or script development this > is indeed a good reason for adding "." to your $PATH variable. In most > environments This is very bad advice for security reasons. You should never put '.' in your path - or if you do, at least put it at the end. The reason is basically that if some hacker gets into your system, he can throw in replacements for various standard commands. And, if he hacks into your account, he can put it in your default directory - he might not be able to put it somewhere else because of permissions. If you're doing script development, make a private bin directory off of your $HOME, and put your stuff in there, and add $HOME/bin to the $PATH. > Rick -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. ---
RE: [newbie] -C code=
>>... If this is a binary file, >>already compiled and linked, to execute type from the directory where it's >>located: >> >>./your_bin_file >> >>and type ENTER (RETURN), if you don use ./ the system try to find your the >>name you type as a binary file in $PATH. ... For anyone doing any kind of binary executable or script development this is indeed a good reason for adding "." to your $PATH variable. In most environments where I've worked with Unix, "." was usually the first directory in $PATH so that you could have your own utility or program supercede one that came with the system. If you don't want the latter to happen then put the "." on the end of $PATH. Cheers, Rick
[newbie] Word Compatibility of - Kwork - Abiword - WP - StartOffice - etc
Ok... I'll at least change the subject name before I ask the question or Mark and Roman will personally fly out here and get me!! Mark raises an interesting possibility. The question is *how* compatible. Does any of the readership have any *real* experience. I am looking for both pro and con. I remember that a while back (6-12 months) there was a review of StarOffice in one of the Linux mags and the area of so called compatibility was not what I would have hoped for. Cheers and Happy New Year to all, Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Hillary Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux Abiword or Kwork can open Ms Word files. Or you could just save them in RTF which can be opened by anything. I my self am at Sixform an my school have a windows NT network with word 2000 and there is not a drop of windows on my box anymore.
RE: [newbie] gets Linux
[ please note the change in subject line as per Roman's request! ;-) ] -Original Message- From: goldenpi Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 7:01 AM >>In other words, nothing will work. Anything that would not work under nt will >>In other words, nothing will work. ... Lots of things will work but certain *some* things will not. >> ...Anything that would not work under nt will >>nt work under whistler. Then m$ can start chargeing for all sorts of unneeded >>patches. This may or may not be true per given situation. Certainly a lot of stuff will break. But starting with Win2K Microsoft has worked at making the NT code base "friendlier" to a lot more Win95 apps (read games!). That has continued with Whistler as well. Now - DOS type apps on the other hand... Let's all just spit into a high wind while covering ourselves with sack cloth and ashes bemoaning the fact that there's no CP/M for the latest round of hardware. Life goes on - technology advances - some things become obsolete - life goes on. Get over it! As for an earlier comment on the removal of using during boot. Not to worry, it's still there as far as I know. The big thing is that it's not announced on the screen. Cheers Rick
RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
Whistler is no an "update" to Windows ME. It is the complete replacement of all previous "consumer" Windows versions (Win95, Win98, WinME) with a Windows NT based code source. What this means for Microsoft is that all "markets" - consumer, workstation and server - will have the same code base. Some of the GUI shell stuff will be different between the consumer and workstation/server versions no doubt, but the core OS will be NT based. Cheers and Happy New Year to all, Rick -Original Message- From: Romanator Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 7:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux There's an update to Millennium coming out later this year. I think it's name is Whistler. goldenpi wrote: > > Give it time. I have just seen windows millenium and I can assure you it will . . .
RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
Mark, Very good comment! With 100+ messages a day from [newbie] and [expert] I was tempted to do just that but figured at some point I could be an Elmer. As used here, "Elmer" is a term used in Ham Radio for a person who helps a beginner get up and running. Happy Holidays and Season's Best to all Rick -Original Message- From: Mark Hillary Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux I wasn't making a comment about the thread. I just don't like it when people join, get the help that they are looking for the leave not helping anyone else. Mark Hillary. Ps Anyway I like getting lots of email. Makes every say "Wow why do you get so much email". Then I can laugh.
RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
The same way you joined it only backwards! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 9:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux how do I get off this mailing list
RE: [newbie] Hardware compatibility lists?
There was a recent article on burners in a local computer rag that you pick up free at grocery and computers stores. The Yamahas were the most highly recommended followed by the Plextors. Of course the cost a little more too. Rick
RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
I've never heard of that. What hardware vendors *do* have to pay for are certain types of certification testing. A few years ago it was almost all done by Microsoft. but a lot of it these days is "self-cert" by the company. However, if you don't make hardware that falls into that category then your hardware must be tested by Microsoft and they charge a nominal fee for that service. If your hardware passes then it is listed on the HCL (Hardware Compatibility List). Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux On Tuesday 05 December 2000 05:34 pm, Romanator wrote: > Hey Tom, > > Is it true about hardware providers paying fees to M$ so that Windows > supports or approves their hardware? In other words, no fee - no > drivers. Have you ever heard about this? I just wanted to clear that > up. I have no idea, and I've never heard that. -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
RE: RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
-Original Message- From: David Grubb Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 8:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux I can understand what you are saying here, that the face of Linux will change and it will no longer be recognised as the free OS it is now. I disagree as I don't understand how simplifying the installation and use of Linux for basic home users will dramatically alter the foundations of the Linux OS. -- Dave, I agree with you completely. The proper attitude is that making Linux extremely easy will not (should not!!) SUBTRACT from what is here today! If you enjoy config files and mucking around with parameters - that will all still be there. If you enjoyed CLI work with the shell of your choice - that will still be there. But for the majority of people who are not interested in the "guts" the ease-of-use would be there. Add the "layman apps" that the non-enthusiast might be interested in and suddenly Linux could start to be a real alternative in the consumer market. That would help the consumer and Linux. And... that may be happening with companies like Dell/Compaq/IBM shipping Linux pre-installed. Yes, it's probably mostly servers but that's a start and more than has been there. Think of what would happen if these hardware suppliers start offering consumer packages. My crystal ball is no clearer than anyone else's in this department, but it shouldn't take much imagination to consider the possibilities. -rick
RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
And behind Mark's statement is an even more powerful truth, "if... you can install it and get it going". Because a stable operating system that you can't easily install won't be accepted. And I am in that league for example with my Pavilion 3625 - no sound. Since I don't use it anyway, I've let it slide, but it is a case in point as are the many questions thrown into [newbie] and even [expert]. -Original Message- From: . Mark Weaver Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 2:34 PM Cc: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: Re: [newbie] gates gets Linux Patrick, You are right, of course, Linux is a paradise for coders and programmers, but beyond that truth is another, even bigger truth. That is that Linux is incredibly stable and powerful as a home PC platform as well as a dependable business workstation platform.
RE: [newbie] gates gets Linux
--- Dave Sherman [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] --- Actually, the Windows versions from 1.0 thru 3.11 were written in a combination of C and C++. Win95 and later are pretty much all C++, except some older libraries that are still around. Even Microsoft isn't foolish enough to write their OS in VB -- that product is marketed (in a sort of unspoken rule) for non-programmers and non-professionals. Visual C++ is MS's "enterprise strength" development tool. -- Thanks you Dave! Finally! The first sane thing said on the thread on "Windows Written in VB" which somehow managed to get under this Subject line. It's been fun watching this "thread" meander and the *completely* off-base remarks made from some people. I try to be OS agnostic - after all it's not a religion, nor should it be. So I try to judge the merits of any OS on how it "treats" me and what I can get done with it. At work I use Win2K. Here at home I use Win2K, Win98 (soon to go away) and Linux. My Linux experience began when I tried REDHAT a couple of years ago. I got it running and used it for a few weeks but eventually dropped it. Recently I tried Mandrake, mostly on a whim since I saw a 7.1 box in Costco for $25. I really liked what I saw!! My Linux system (HP Pavilion 3265) has given me some problems with freezes. Since I was (am) a newbie I didn't know how to restart the X server with ctrl-alt-bs. Therefore I probably rebooted the system when I didn't really have to. I'd like to eventually get the sound going on it, but it may use a non-supported, on-board sound chip. I will keep Linux around from now on. For the record, I have had exactly one BSOD on my home system (CPQ AP200) running Win2K. More than that with my Win98 system, but not terribly more - but once it was just sitting there doing nothing when it BSOD'ed!! As for resource usage, yes, raw Linux (no windowing system) can get by pretty cheaply. Add X, KDE and the windowing apps and I've found that I would want a machine that is just as "big" as my typical Windows machine. Let's digress for a moment. I sift through 100/200 or message each day on [newbie] and [expert] and actually read a lot of them. I am always bemused by the fact that there is *such* dichotomy within the Linux ranks. On the one-hand various writers rave about how they want Linux to beat the bad, ugly giant from Redmond. Then out of the other side of their collective mouths they say (when the going gets tough) hey, this is Linux - learn it and how your computer works! This was especially true in the thread (could have been in [expert] reflector) where there was a lot of Mandrake bashing going on because Mandrake was trying to make it so *easy* to install Linux! Now let's bring it back. Personally, I enjoy the innards of computers and OSes, wish I know more about all of them and enjoy playing with them when I have the time. But if Linux is to really compete with MSFT OSes on the desktop two things need to happen (1) installation has to be an absolute breeze and (2) there need to be easy to install apps that are in demand. Not just or two, but the whole panoply of the Apps space. A vast, VAST majority of people don't care what's under the hood. To misquote a comment made to Bush (Sr.), "It's the appliance dummy!" Painful as that is to all of us who really enjoy diving in, 95+ percent of users will say, "I just want to use my computer, just like I want to use my car." My 84 year old father uses Win98 on an HP machine. For the most part it's been stable enough for him. I support him from 1800 miles away. It's hard enough on WIn98, but I shudder to think what it would be like under today's Linux. And most of the time I am so time-constrained that I want any OS I touch to "just work". I get just as angry when something in Linux doesn't work as I do when something in an MSFT OS doesn't. In both cases I just want to use the computer - to write mail, to browse or to develop. For the most part 7.1 has been a lot of fun to use. When I am done testing some ham radio communications software that a friend is developing I plan to upgrade to 7.2, or the first full update after 7.2. I am also looking forward to trying the KDE and Gnome equivalents to Office. Tried StarOffice, but really didn't like the way it created a sort of desktop within a desktop - yukk! Mandrake is doing is great and is on the right path!! Let's support them and eventually there will be a choice for those that want it - they won't have to become "Linux friendly users", because Linux will have matured. So... I'll climb into my asbestos suit now - with this crowd I'm gonna need it!
RE: [newbie] RE: Windows can't be written in VB
>>one correction. ME is the next progression on 98. Win 2000 is the next NT. Whistler Personal, the next "consumer" OS from them will be on the NT kernel. Finally, at long last, DOS based windows will be dead (or at least maintenance mode only).
RE: [newbie] Password
Can you boot to floppy based version of Linux and then edit the /etc/passwd file to zero out (delete) the root password? I don't know the answer to this one hence it's more of a question than a statement. -rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Greg Stewart Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 8:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Password > start linux in single user mode, i think failsafe may do it, if not edit your > grub or lilo comands so it says linux -s > when it loads you should still be on the command prompt, type linuxconf, > whaen this program loads you will be able to change root password, should be > one of the first buttons, then save and exit linuxconf, reboot your system, > you should be able to use the new password as root, Um... if he/she can't log in, I'm not sure this will fly... :-) At theboot: prompt (if you have used lilo as the boot loader) try the linux single prompt. You may also type:linux 1 If this logs you into a command line prompt, try typing:passwd root if it asks you for the old password, you will need to re-install linux, and make sure to remember your root password this time. If it simply asks for a new password (which I don't expect it will) then just type the new password and confirm it. Linux is a secure OS, unlike windows (including NT) you MUST have 'root' (administrator) account and a valid password for it. You should also create user accounts as you should never log in as root unless you are making system changes. --Greg - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In a message dated 29-Oct-00 09:41:21 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > > > I just installed Mandrake 7.1 and the install went just fine but I seem > > to have messed up on the password part. I tried not using a password > > but > > it wouldn't let me get around it during installation and I typed part > > of > > a password and I can't remember exactly what I typed. So X starts up > > just fine but I can't get pass the login. Can someone please tell me > > how > > to change or get rid of my password. This is my first experience with > > Linux and I know little of nothing about it so if there's a way to fix > > this I'll need some detailed instructions. Someone told me to "reboot > > and at the linux prompt type: linux single" but I don't know how to get > > to a "linux prompt". When I start my computer my options are: Linux, > > Failsafe, Windows, Floppy. > > I would really like to not use a password at all. > > Your help is appreciated > > GREATLY. > > > > start linux in single user mode, i think failsafe may do it, if not edit your > grub or lilo comands so it says linux -s > when it loads you should still be on the command prompt, type linuxconf, > whaen this program loads you will be able to change root password, should be > one of the first buttons, then save and exit linuxconf, reboot your system, > you should be able to use the new password as root, > __ Vous avez un site perso ? 2 millions de francs à gagner sur i(france) ! Webmasters : ZE CONCOURS ! http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/concours.emailif
RE: [newbie] 7.2?
There had been an earlier thread (on NEWBIES, EXPERT or FORUM can't remember which) where the chat centered around whether or not to release ML7.2 with some KDE2.0 pre-release version or to wait. Later there was a comment that the decision had been made to go with whatever KDE2.0 was available and update as soon ad KDE2.0 and have a "release follow-on" or updated release (can't recall the exact words). Finally we have word of people seeing/buying it in stores a day before the message was posted that the real final release (with final KDE2.0) would hit the mirrors today, the cheap CD's a couple of days after that and the boxed distro's a couple of weeks later. I believe that some of these posts were from "nobody@mandrakesoft". I am new to this process and these reflectors, but that name sounds like and anonymous posting name for Mandrake to get info out without tying it to a particular individual at Mandrake (do I have the idea right?). Confusing - maybe not to some, but certainly to me. ;-) Apologies for the vagueness as to references, but with the sheer volume of posts coming in on NEWBIE and EXPERT reflectors I delete just about everything of a non-technical nature so can't backtrack and be more specific. Cheers, -rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 8:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] 7.2? Hmmm, I would find it very weird if they would package a beta for retail. If it was 7.2 final it would have KDE2 final also and by looking at the ftp site it is KDE2.0-1mdk some parts of it are 2.0-3mdk. According to Dennis (at MandrakeSoft), there is no way that's right. I'm not saying it's not true but that's what I was told. I like to see what kernel is being run and the version on the kde from kpackage to verify for sure. - Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere!
RE: [newbie] 7.2
Also, is the version with ML7.2 release and KDE 2.0 beta/rc. Or is it the version with final ML7.2 release and KDE2.0 release. -rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry Marshall Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 7:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 7.2 > 7.2 final just began showing up on Mandrake ftp mirrors late > yesterday (10/27). The cheap CD sites will prob'ly have it > available in a day or two. The retail box sets will more likely be > two weeks. Can someone from Mandrake tell us whether the release version is any different from the Oct12th beta version? Cheers -- Larry
RE: [RE: [newbie] Linux Format]
Gack... I was off by half! I got confused and was thinking of Maxximum Linux when I quotes $7.95 (ok, ok, I *quoted* $795). Today I went over there to see what was in this month's Linux rags and they had Linux Forum. It was $13.95 (I suppose for consistency that should be $1395) It did come with a CD that included Omnis Studio Lite (db based app developer), Gnome 1.2 and a bunch of other stuff. The magazine seemed to have a lot of decent stuff in it. Mildly chagrined!! -rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Scottaline Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 5:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RE: [newbie] Linux Format] "Rick Commo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I buy it occasionally at Barnes&Noble here in Bellevue, WA. It costs $795 > if I remember correctly. > -rick Hm..., Does that include import fees Mike "Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing and dreadful idolatry took place there!" Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, 16th century Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
RE: [newbie] Linux Format
Well, I know good Linux advice is valuable - But it would have to be **really** good to justify $795! My bad on dropping the decimal point ;-) -rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Sherman Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 11:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux Format On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:13:31 -0700, you wrote: >I buy it occasionally at Barnes&Noble here in Bellevue, WA. It costs $795 >if I remember correctly. Damn! Oh wait, $7.95 ;-) Ya just knew someone had to point that out, right? lol >-rick > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Weaver >Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 5:58 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux Format > > >I wonder...could a fella get that here in the states? peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com
RE: [newbie] asx?
.asx rang a bell so I searched my Win2K machine and one popped up. When I double clicked it launched MultiMedia Player and played a song. So at least in Win2K it's a multimedia file of some sort. Mine was a song. On Linux .asx might have another meaning altogether. -rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hellmut Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] asx? Hi! A friend has sent me a file ending on .asx. I don't know how to open it, does anybody know which program I need? Thanks in advance, -- , (o o) +--oOOO--(_)---+ | | |H E L L M U T | | | | www.fegefeuer-webzine.de | | | +-0OOO-+ | _ | _ | | | | | | | | | ooO Ooo
RE: [newbie] Linux Format
I buy it occasionally at Barnes&Noble here in Bellevue, WA. It costs $795 if I remember correctly. -rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Weaver Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux Format I wonder...could a fella get that here in the states? -- Mark /* I never worry about the to-jams. * Once I've stuck my foot in my mouth * it's already too late...just make sure * you chew them thoroughly before swallowing! */ Registered Linux user #182496 * Pine 4.21 * On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 8:44am ,[EMAIL PROTECTED] spake...: > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, you wrote: > > > It was Oct 5, 2000, 13:59, when Jay keyboarded: > > > > > > >If anybody here reads Linux Format, the UK based Linux mag, then you already > > > >know this fact...Linux-Mandrake received a 10 out of 10 rating for 7.1. They > > > >called it the best distro around now. > > > > > > Hi Jay, > > > Any idea if there is a place on the web to see what Linux Format is > > > about? There is No Linux Mag here in Holland, and I hate that. Perhaps I > > > can get a subscription from the UK? > > > > > > tia, > > > Paul > > > > > > -- > > > Three things are certain: > > > Death, taxes and lost data. > > > Guess which has occured. > > > > > > http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 > > > -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=- > > -- > > http://www.linuxformat.co.uk > > > > > > Jay > > "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." > > "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." > > http://www.mrsnooky.com > > > > > > Linuxformat is a great mag. Got every issue. Recommend to > anyone. Also it's sister mag Pcplus is a good read too. > > Mark Hillary > > >
RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!!
One on-line commenter had an interesting speculation that goes something like this. With Sun taking StarOffice open source next week Microsoft will be under the gun. Since Microsoft certainly doesn't want Office to be open source it invests in Corel. Then Office can be close source while WordPerfect is made open source. Interesting... -rick -Original Message- From: Larry Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Microsoft bails out Corel!! > hmm, maybe i'm just naive but so what if MS bails out Corel as far as linux > goes. There is/was nothing stopping MS from creating their own distribution > of linux nor stopping them from building applications for Linux. I can't > believe that there aren't any MS programmers running linux at home (or at > work) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that apache is running > somewhere in that company. Just a thought here. Corel has successfully (not in my opinion but in the minds of some) ported their Office suite to Linux using Wine. If you dig very deeply you find that within MS there's a debate about whether they should/shouldn't produce MS Office for Linux. Could there be a connection? Spin is everything these days it seems. Just thought I'd suggest that this story might have a positive spin in the end. Cheers --- Larry
RE: [newbie] Where is the elusive "apps" (disk 3) ?
Ahh.., That's how I misread it. At first I thought he was asking for confirmation that "CD 3" was the Apps disk. Not "where can I get it". I happened to pick up the "Linux-Mandrake 7.1 Deluxe" boxed set at a local emporium. Total kit had X86 BinariesSources - InstallationInstallation Extension Applications 2nd Applications ContribsContribs Plus the usual "Getting Started" pamphlet and "Installation and User Guide" and "Reference Manual" books. All together a good expenditure since I was really getting into Linux for the first time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bradley D. Thornton Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Where is the elusive "apps" (disk 3) ? So where did you get the iso for the x86 apps cd? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Commo > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 9:25 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [newbie] Where is the elusive "apps" (disk 3) ? > > > >>1.) The location of the iso image/rpm source that this > version of mandrake > >>refers to as "disk 3" (Mandrake 7.1 i386) > > Stumbled across the same thing installing packages. > > When I inserted the x86 Apps disk it seemed happy and > finished the install. > > -rick >
RE: [newbie] Where is the elusive "apps" (disk 3) ?
Sorry for the extraneous post, I realized later that I had misread the message. -rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Commo Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 9:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Where is the elusive "apps" (disk 3) ? >>1.) The location of the iso image/rpm source that this version of mandrake >>refers to as "disk 3" (Mandrake 7.1 i386) Stumbled across the same thing installing packages. When I inserted the x86 Apps disk it seemed happy and finished the install. -rick
RE: [newbie] Where is the elusive "apps" (disk 3) ?
>>1.) The location of the iso image/rpm source that this version of mandrake >>refers to as "disk 3" (Mandrake 7.1 i386) Stumbled across the same thing installing packages. When I inserted the x86 Apps disk it seemed happy and finished the install. -rick
RE: [newbie] Replacing Redhat with Mandrake 7.1
-Original Message- >>During the 7.1 (also 7.2) install you'll be able to choose to >>keep your existing partitions, and which ones you want to format. >>So you don't need to uninstall RH, just select all your ext2 >>partitons for re-formatting during the Mandrake install This raises a couple of questions. (1) Must one reformat all the ext2 partitions? If you have any kind of extensive home directory that could be a pain. ON the other hand if your /home is on a different partition I can certainly see the benefit of formatting all BUT /home. It would get a rid of a lot of detritus that could trip you up later I suppose. Of course there you would also lose any optional installed packages and that could be a pain. (2) When Mandrake 7.2 comes out, what will be the best way to *upgrade* (not replace) Mandrake 7.1? I started with 7.1 on a clean disk and now I don't remember if there was an "upgrade" choice. Thanks, -rick
[newbie] Questions triggered by "glibconfig.h not found"
Not sure if this question belongs here or in [expert], so I'll start here since I've just subscribed to both. I am a fairly recent Mandrake 7.1 user. After purchasing "GTK+ / Gnome Applications Development" I needed to install the various support libraries. I used RPMDrake and installed a bunch of developer libs that came on the MD 7.1 CDs. I tried compiling a simple "hello world" program with the addition of the line #include This was done to check header dependencies. I got an error along the lines of "glibconfig.h not found". I know that glibconfig.h exists at the path /usr/lib/glib/include/glibconfig.h. glibconfig.h is referenced in various GTK headers as #include This would lead me to believe that any GTK app compiles will have to be done with -I options pointing to "/usr/lib/glib/include" (and a lot o others as well). So I assume that I was quite naive to try the compile with the simple command cc foo.c The questions: (1) Is it normal practice to just use a simple "#include " statement in .C and .H files and then use -I options for the root paths? That seems to be the case. (2) Would it be considered good style to globally define include options sets at the shell level so that you can have them quickly in any simple makefile or do most people define over and over again in each makefile. I realize that doing the former will tie the makefile to a particular user environment, but I am curious. Cheers and thanks, -rick
