RE: [newbie] Willing to help bring someone up to speed on Mandrake via Skype

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> -Original Message-
> From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:34 AM
> To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Willing to help bring someone
up to 
> speed on Mandrake via Skype
> 
> 
> On Saturday 12 Mar 2005 17:44, Dave Ashmore wrote:
> >
> > Ok I'm here and have a few minutes before I get
started on my home 
> > project. Give me a call if you need some help.
> > Skype: djash34
> 
> I'm somewhat puzzled by all this.  What exactly is
the 
> advantage of Skype over 
> GnomeMeeting?  I've spoken to a friend in USA over
GM, with 
> video, thought it 
> can be used without, and no problems at all with the
quality 
> on a 512 ADSL 
> connection.
> 
> I'm not meaning to be negative - it's just that I
wonder what 
> this newer 
> product can do that the older one can't.
> 
> Anne
> -- 
> Registered Linux User No.293302
(http://counter.li.org/)
> Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? 
Mandrake 
> at all levels

Good question, and I would be interested in the answer
as well...  Correct me if I'm wrong here, but can PC
to Phone calls be made for free under GnomeMeeting? 
There is a (cheap) rate for this to happen with Skype...



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[newbie] Give spamassassin a chance?

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Have any of you successfully setup a spamassassin
proxy on Mandrake for a medium sized network?  I'm
thinking of purchasing a barracuda device for spam
filtering, but thought of giving OSS a chance 1st. 
But is it worth it, or will it require lots of time
reading docs and configuring?  I seem to be finding
that OSS may only work in networks where the admin
isn't low on free time since RTFM seems to be the
mantra.  Sure, the commercial packages are expensive,
but you get what you need right away.  Would a SA
proxy be as simple as building a 10.1 box w/2 NICs,
installing webmin and SA, then doing a quick config
thru webmin?

TIA



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RE: [newbie] Mandrake 10.1 Web Server - allowing access

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> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Phinney
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:23 PM
> To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10.1 Web Server -
allowing access
> 
> 
> On Tuesday 15 February 2005 13:00, Ron Hunter-Duvar
wrote:
> > On February 15, 2005 09:15, Tango Echo wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > > Install went fine using the "Higher" security
level. 
> However, I am 
> > > unable to ssh into the box even though the
service is running.  A 
> > > quick look into the hosts.deny and it's set for
ALL.  Changes to 
> > > this file only seem to be reverted back thanks
to msec.
> 
> I currently have a server operating on Higher level
security 
> and ssh works 
> just fine.  The thing to remember is that hosts.deny
will 
> always be updated 
> each night to deny all.  You must make the change in
hosts.allow, to 
> explicitly allow whatever connections you want to
allow.  The 
> hosts.allow 
> file takes precedence over the hosts.deny.
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Phinney
> 

The hosts.allow was the magic bullet!  Thanks all for
your input.   Web server seems to be up and running
fine... Let's see if it stands the test of time now...

Lanman!  Glad to see you're still around!!  How have
things been going?






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RE: [newbie] Norton Ghost

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> -Original Message-
> From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:06 PM
> To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Norton Ghost
> 
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Saturday 08 Jan 2005 10:54, Al Yaemes wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Is there a freeware app similar to Norton Ghost?
> >
> Look for PartImage
> 
> Anne
> - -- 
> Registered Linux User No.293302
(http://counter.li.org/)

If you are looking for a packaged solution, try
SystemRescueCD (http://www.sysresccd.org/)  It
utilizes the PartImage that Anne mentioned for it's
"Ghost" component, plus has quite a few other
features.  I've actually used this tool at my company
and found it worked great!  There have only been a
couple systems that did not seem to get along with it...



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[newbie] Mandrake 10.1 Web Server - allowing access

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Hi all,

After a bit of a break from the Linux world, I'd like
to start looking into real world implementations again
=).  So here's the senario at the moment.  I have an
old box I'd like use as an experemental intranet
server.  I installed Mandrake 10.1 w/Apache, ssh, ftp,
and webmin.  My goal is to have all three remote admin
methods available, and to allow certain users to
upload web updates via ftp.

Install went fine using the "Higher" security level. 
However, I am unable to ssh into the box even though
the service is running.  A quick look into the
hosts.deny and it's set for ALL.  Changes to this file
only seem to be reverted back thanks to msec.  

Is there an elegant way to enable ssh?  Perhaps thru
webmin?

Thanks,

Tango



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RE: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird

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> -Original Message-
> From: Erylon Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird
> 
> 
> On Friday 03 December 2004 05:44 am, Todd Slater
wrote:
> | On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 04:12:39AM -0800, Tango
Echo wrote:
> | > Anyone?? Or is this rocket science?
> |
> | I've never used Spamassassin but I've heard that
it can be 
> a resource 
> | hog.
> H--maybe, but I haven't had any problems with
it.  After a rather 
> extensive learning period it becomes extremely
efficient. 
> | How much do you need it to do--virus filtering
etc.? If you just
> | need a bayesian-type filter bogofilter is a good 
> alternative. I'm pretty
> | sure SA requires you to have procmail set up and
working; 
> bogofilter can
> | work when called directly from an MUA but I prefer
to use 
> procmail with
> | it as well.
> 
> Not true.  I do not have procmail setup.  I'm
filtering KMail 
> directly with a 
> "pipe through spamc".
> I haven't used bogofilter so I'm really neutral as
to which 
> is better.  My 
> hunch is that both are excellent.  I began with SA
because of 
> the available 
> rules and have stuck with it because it works.
> |
> | In any event, I don't think it's hard to set up
SA. Have 
> you read the 
> | README and INSTALL files?
> |
> | Todd
> 
> I haven't used Tbird, so I'm no help here.  There
are several 
> places to go for 
> SA setup, if you decide that is the filter you want
to use, 
> and hopefully, 
> you can find something about running SA with Tbird. 
For 
> rules, I would 
> recommend that you peruse this site:
> 
http://www.rulesemporium.com/
|
| > -Original Message-
| > From: Tango Echo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:37 PM
| > To: newb-mdk
| > Subject: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird
| >
| >
| > How easy is to setup Spam assassin for
Thunderbird?
| > I'm runnning 10.0 and have found that the spam
| > abilities in thunderbird are far from
sufficient... Is
| > it easy enough for someone to supply the steps or
can
| > you point me to a good doc for (a quick) setup?
| >
| > Thanks!

Well, all I really need is a good spam filter that is
fairly easy to setup (and of corse the directions to
do so).  The spam is getting to the point where it's
unberable and my filter does more harm then good when
it filters personal emails...

I've always heard the SA was one of the best filters. 
And I thought Tunderbird was more popular...
Surprising that nobody is using this config on the
list though!




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RE: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird

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Anyone?? Or is this rocket science?

-Original Message-
From: Tango Echo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:37 PM
To: newb-mdk
Subject: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird


How easy is to setup Spam assassin for Thunderbird?
I'm runnning 10.0 and have found that the spam
abilities in thunderbird are far from sufficient... Is
it easy enough for someone to supply the steps or can
you point me to a good doc for (a quick) setup?

Thanks!





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[newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird

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How easy is to setup Spam assassin for Thunderbird?
I'm runnning 10.0 and have found that the spam
abilities in thunderbird are far from sufficient... Is
it easy enough for someone to supply the steps or can
you point me to a good doc for (a quick) setup?

Thanks!



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[newbie] Screen is black

[Tango Echo]

For some reason, I get a black screen on shutdown or
console terminals (Ctrl+Alt+F1...) now that I've
installed Mandrake 10 OE.  It's almost like it goes
into sleep mode becuase the monitor's powerlight goes
to amber.  The motherboard is an ASUS A7N8X-X.  The
video is nVidia GFX 5600 FX.  Although my drivers have
been updated to the latest (and less impressive)
drivers, I had this problem long before the update. 
Any ideas?



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RE: [newbie] NVidia driver instalation + uninstalling modules

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-Original Message-
From: SnapafunFrank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 3:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] NVidia driver instalation +
uninstalling modules


RAT wrote:

>On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 12:57, Bryan Phinney wrote:
>  
>
>>On Thursday 19 August 2004 06:49 am, RAT wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have NVidia GForce FX graphical card. I've
downloaded drivers from 
>>>NVidia.com and I tried to install them in text
console. There was one 
>>>conflict with rivafb driver but otherwise it was
successfull .. but 
>>>OpenGL supporst doesn't work. I tried to find the
rivafb module but I 
>>>have no clue how to uninstall module from kernel.
>>>  
>>>
>>Did you remember to edit the XF86Config-4 file in
/etc/X11 to change 
>>the
>>driver in X from nv to nvidia?
>>
>>
>
>Section "Device"
>   Identifier  "Videocard0"
>   Driver  "nv"
>   VendorName  "Videocard vendor"
>   BoardName   "NVIDIA GeForce FX (generic)"
>EndSection
>
>  
>
>>>From within X, open up a konsole window and type in
lsmod and then 
>>>try to see
>>if you have the nvidia module loaded.  If you do
not, then you have 
>>not
>>properly installed the nvidia driver.
>>
>>
>
>but .. the nvidia module doesn't seem to be loaded.
lsmod shows nothing 
>and OpenGL still doesn't work :(
>
>R
>
>
>  
>
If I get the posting remembered I believe you were
talking about 
swapping from -15mdk and -7mdk and back again?
Do you have both kernel-sources/vmlinuz in place and
your boot loader 
configured to boot into either?
The way I understood things, when loading nVidia
drivers, you need to be 
within the uname of the kernel you wanted to install
the driver to, so 
that suggests to me that you need to boot into the
-15mdk and install 
nVidia again as per its 'Requirements'. Yeah. I mean
having the driver 
installed twice? It's my understanding, also, that
once you have booted 
into a particular kernel type/version, that upon
exiting "X", you are 
still using the initial booted too kernel?

Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can correct this
if'n I'm wrong.

-- 
Regards

SnapafunFrank

Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment
to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 


==


Also, don't forget to check the following in your
XF86Config-4:

(from the readme)

In the Module section, make sure you have:

Load   "glx"

You should also remove the following lines:
  
Load  "dri"
Load  "GLcore"

...when I install the nvidia driver (as needed
everytime a kernel upgrade happens) I usually just
open a console and init 3.  Then login as root,
install the driver and make the XF86Config-4
changes...

Any progress this far?

When I tried it, it failed while trying to compile the
nvidia kernel...



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RE: [newbie] NVidia driver instalation + uninstalling modules

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-Original Message-
From: RAT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] NVidia driver instalation +
uninstalling modules


I have NVidia GForce FX graphical card. I've
downloaded drivers from NVidia.com and I tried to
install them in text console. There was one conflict
with rivafb driver but otherwise it was successfull ..
but OpenGL supporst doesn't work. I tried to find the
rivafb module but I have no clue how to uninstall
module from kernel.

=

I had the same problem with the 15mdk kernel.  Since I
couldn't get it to work, and it didn't happen under
the 13mdk kernel, I just reverted back to 13... I'd be
interested if you find a fix!  And yes, btw, I did
make sure the nvidia line was in the XF86Config-4
file...







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[newbie] SIGSEGV crashed w/signal 11 - Nvidia driver upgrade problem - HELP!!

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On my Mandrake 10 OE home install I recently tried to
upgrade my kernel and nvidia graphics driver.  That's
what started this whole problem.

First I installed my newer driver, 2.6.3-15mdk, and
booted into with no problems.  As usual, when I
upgrade the kernel I need to reinstall my vid driver.

I downloaded the 1.0-6111 version of the geforce
driver that was released Aug 5th.  From the
2.6.3-15mdk KDE session I ran init 3 to install the
driver as usual.  When I attempted to run the file I
got a strange error about a rivafb (something like
that?) module being loaded but it would be able to
continue.  Since it didn't seem serious I continued. 
The install failed while trying to build the kernel
for nvidia. The nvidia log didn't produce any
immediate clues, either.  So I uninstalled and tried
it under my 2.6.3-13mdk kernel. That failed too...  

Now, I have no graphics accelleration and I keep
getting this strange error in KDE:
SIGSEGV crashed with signal 11
...That is paraphrased, but it appears in the generic
KDE crash window with the picture of a bomb/gear.
First it appears when I boot into KDE then randomly
thoughout the day.

Any ideas here?  The errors are annoying and obviously
not healthy.  Plus I can't play any games...

Thanks in advance!



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[newbie] DVD to CD

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Hi all,

I recently obtained a copy of SuSE 9.1 thanks to
Novell.  However, this version of Linux comes on a
DVD.  Is there any way (perhaps in K3B?) to rip the
DVD then burn it to several CDs?  I would assume some
type of index files would need to be inserted on every
CD?  

Thanks in advance...



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[newbie] VPN with Windows 2000?

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Hi all,

I'm hoping to setup an MNF 8.2 box to support remote
Windows boxes (connecting thru the Internet) for
connecting via VPN.  I took a quick peak at the
HOW-TOS suggested by the MNF install - looks extremely
lengthy and possibly out of date...

Do we have a simplified or more current version of the
VPN w/Win2K/XP around?  Or should I just spend the
next week reading what is recommended by the MNF Help?

Thanks in advance!




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[newbie] Auto-resize of cascaded windows in KDE

[Tango Echo]

I know there is a way to cascade windows in KDE, but
is there a way to have them automatically resized on
this event?  This is the default setting in Windows,
and while it can be a pain, it is usually the best
method.  There's nothing worse then having five
different windows with five different sizes and losing
one during a cascade...  BTW, I'm running MDK 10 so it
is whatever default KDE version...

Thanks!

Tango




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RE: [newbie] PHPGroupware

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-Original Message-
From: Stephen Kuhn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:23 AM
To: Mandrake Newbie
Subject: [newbie] PHPGroupware

Damn I've RTFM the whole shebang and can't still seem
to get
PHPGroupware up and running - and there's such a
cryptographic means by
which the dox are written...anyone with a less fuzzy
brain that might be
able to lend a hand here ay wot?

stephen kuhn - owner


Stephen,

I wish I could help you.  But just out of curiosity,
have you researched any other packages such as
OpenGroupware?  OpenGroupware doesn't seem to have as
slick an interface as PHPGW but I believe it can be
customized.  The reason I ask is because I will be
looking to research and/or deploy a Linux based
groupware package at one of my sites...

Thanks,

Tango






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RE: [newbie] Where are the exotic terminals and consoles - Eye candy?

[Tango Echo]

SuperKaramba... Now there's an idea.  Problem is,
looks like you need to learn the Python language
before you can create any widgets.  Secondly, I'm not
sure if Superkaramba supports text input.  It seems
more like a disply device than something that would
take text input.  Or am I wrong here?

The Eterm suggestions are nice, but I'm talking more
than changing backgrounds, using a colored font, or
using a transparant background.  Stephen, you might be
right using it for changing color.  If I learned bash
scripting, perhaps I could set a color change for each
character.  Somthing like start at bright orange,
after one second change to a darker orange, then
repeat until it stops at red.

Shocks me that nothing like this is out there already.
 Looks like if it doesn't exist I'll have to learn
some type of language - either Python for SuperKaramba
or advanced bash scripting... 

Any other comments out there? Maybe I should hit up
the expert list out there...


-Original Message-
From: Dodd GS07 David J
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:02 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [newbie] Where are the exotic terminals
and consoles - Eye ca ndy?

Try SuperKaramba.  Marcel Gagne wrote an article on it
in this months issue of www.linuxjournal.com. 

-Original Message- 
From: cdrack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:43 PM 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: [newbie] Where are the exotic terminals
and consoles - Eye 
candy? 

Have you a why..?? 

--- Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Does anyone know of any linux terminals/consoles 
> that 
> do a little bit more than just display the 
> characters 
> you type?   
> Some that would provide animations and eye candy 
> perhaps?  For example, when you typed to the 
> terminal 
> the  most recent character would very start bright 
> and 
> slowly fade to a darker color as time passes.  I 
> think 
> something like that would look a bid more 
> interesting, 
> anyone agree?  The concept could be taken much 
> further... 
> 
> I tried breifly looking on freshmeat, but perhaps I 
> didn't look hard enough.  Or perhaps there isn't 
> such 
> a terminal out there =O 
> Advice? Tips? Help? 
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> 
> Tango 
> 





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[newbie] Where are the exotic terminals and consoles - Eye candy?

[Tango Echo]

Does anyone know of any linux terminals/consoles that
do a little bit more than just display the characters
you type?   
Some that would provide animations and eye candy
perhaps?  For example, when you typed to the terminal
the  most recent character would very start bright and
slowly fade to a darker color as time passes.  I think
something like that would look a bid more interesting,
anyone agree?  The concept could be taken much
further...

I tried breifly looking on freshmeat, but perhaps I
didn't look hard enough.  Or perhaps there isn't such
a terminal out there =O 
Advice? Tips? Help?

Thanks in advance,

Tango




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[newbie] Fwd: How to downdate 10.0?

[Tango Echo]

Hey all.  Sorry if this is a repost but I sent this
message to the list and never saw it appear... Were
there any replies?


--- Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:55:45 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: How to downdate 10.0?
> To: newb-mdk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Unless I am mistaken here, it appears the cooker and
> 10.0 update tree has forked.  I was following the
> cooker update tree until last night.  Then I
> realized
> that there is a "stable" section as well as a 10.0
> portion on Easy Urpmi.  No doubt I have installed
> cooker packages.  So of course I will receive
> "Everything installed" when I try to update to
> stable
> because it is older...  How do I downdate here? If I
> do have some packages installed that are cooker
> based
> then I'd like to revert to stable.  I noticed last
> night while gaming with a friend that both mdk boxes
> were having minor stability issues...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tange Echo
> 
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[newbie] Citrix bug in Community 10.0?

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

This may be better addressed to the cooker list, but
since I'm such a newb to cooker and it appears that
cooker only applies to mdk packages, I'll start here.

I'm running the latest version of cooker which I
presume is community 10.0.  The problem I am
experiencing is with the latest Linux Citrix client
available from citrix.com.  When I read my mail in
Outlook Repress, I get strange gray bars over some of
the email subjects (I'm using a split screen display).
 It's like the normal blue bar when you select an
email, except it turns gray and distorts the text.  It
looks horrible and impacts my productivity since I
have to start clicking everywhere to see all subjects
at times... Anyone experience this, have a fix, or a
suggestion for the most likely place I will receive
help?  Thanks,

Tango Echo

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RE: [newbie] Mandrake 10 RC1 !

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-Original Message-
From: Greg Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10 RC1 !

On Thursday 19 February 2004 10:09 am, Tango Echo
wrote:

> Territory, etc, stuff that requires 3d?  Any ideas
> what I may have been doing wrong?
>
Only the latest nvidia driver is compatible with
kernel 2.6.  Do you have the 
latest?
-- 
/g

Well, I"m not sure if I actually have the latest
"file", but when I run the install I use the --update
option and it appears to download a newer version from
the nVidia ftp server.  The error that kills the
install process was something to the effect that it
was not able to find the nvidia module -- sorry,
forgot to write it down last night.  Any more clues?


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RE: [newbie] Can't find Opengroupware how to!!!

[Tango Echo]

Bah! Sorry, hit send to quick... here' the updated URL
if ayone else is interested:

http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/ffrouin/Procedures/EN/OGoMD92op/view

-Original Message-
From: Tango Echo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:06 AM
To: newb-mdk
Subject: [newbie] Can't find Opengroupware how to!!!

Hi all,

I'm thinking testing opengroupware in my org but seem
to have lost the link to the how to!  It was on the
website and called the:

Unofficial Mandrake 9.2 Install HowTo 

Sounds great, and I skimmed it before. Yet when I go
to the same location, it says it cannot be found! Does
anyone know where it went or how I can locate one? I
prefer howtows that are geared not only to the distro
in use, but also the version as well... Thanks in
advance,

Techo

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[newbie] Can't find Opengroupware how to!!!

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

I'm thinking testing opengroupware in my org but seem
to have lost the link to the how to!  It was on the
website and called the:

Unofficial Mandrake 9.2 Install HowTo 

Sounds great, and I skimmed it before. Yet when I go
to the same location, it says it cannot be found! Does
anyone know where it went or how I can locate one? I
prefer howtows that are geared not only to the distro
in use, but also the version as well... Thanks in
advance,

Techo

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10 RC1 !

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-Original Message-
From: Walt Frampus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 10 RC1 !

On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 17:16, robin wrote:
> 
> Anyone have any success with nVidia drivers? 2.6
sounds good, but if I 
> can't play Tuxracer, I'm not interested ;-)
> 
> Sir Robin
> 

running Mandrake 10 RC! right now with latest Nvidia
driver installed..
tuxracer rules!!!   just make sure you have the kernel
source installed 

Walt


W?  What did I do wrong? I tried installing the
Nvidia drives last night (using sh 
--update and it died.  First it complained about
kernel sources, which I urpmi'd after, then it refused
at a later point.  I wish I had the error, but I dont'
have that box in front of me right now... I gave up
since RC1 still lacks "3d accelleration".  So are you
saying you could play other games like Enemy
Territory, etc, stuff that requires 3d?  Any ideas
what I may have been doing wrong?

Techo

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[newbie] Need groupware recommendation

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

The time is getting closer when I will be able to
start testing different groupware packages to possibly
deploy in a business environement.  However, I will
need some recommendations from all of you.  To this
point, I'm only aware of three major groupware
packages:

1) phpgroupware
2) kroupware
3) opengroupware

The package should be easy for a newbie to install (if
possible), provide email services and shared
calendering.  Shared contacts, grouping, and exchange
compatibility (even for a fee) would also be a bonus.

What do all of you recommend and why?

Thanks in advance!!

Tango

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RE: [newbie] Easy Urpmi

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>-Original Message-
>From: JoeHill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 9:58 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [newbie] Easy Urpmi
>
>On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:50:28 -0800 (PST)
>Tango Echo disseminated the following:
>
>> So, what about the possible cooker integration?  I
>> think something like that would be great!
>
>I thought Cooker was already an option on EasyUrpmi?
>
>-- 
>JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813

Are you pulling my leg or did you just misunderstand? 
I never know with you, Joe =)

Then again, maybe it was myself that was
misunderstanding the conversation...

What I ment was, would there be a way to put the Easy
Urpmi interface or concept *into* cooker.  Like it
could be an option on Mandrake update, if Mdk-update
doesnt' already modify the urpmi db...  Perhaps if one
mirror isn't working correctly (spews *any* errors) it
could give you the option to proceed or choose another
mirror.  It could even utilize the speed checker
script to find the fastest mirror!

Keep in mind, that I'm 100% new to cooker.  I've
installed it twice and that is the limit to my
experience.  I hope to become more active with the
project as it seems very exciting!  I'm not a
programmer but I can at least test apps for bugs and
try it on different hardware I guess...

I know, this conversation must be more appropriate for
the cooker list, but it's important to bring up the
topic once and a while.  Hey we could aways use a few
more recruits, right? =)

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RE: [newbie] Easy Urpmi

[Tango Echo]

>-Original Message-
>From: JoeHill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 8:38 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [newbie] Easy Urpmi
>
>
>On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 05:30:58 -0800 (PST)
>Tango Echo disseminated the following:
>
>> Can anyone get into Easy Urpmi?
>
>Yep.
>
>-- 
>JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813

lol, okay, it must've been a temporary outage...
Figures.  I just needed to be patient.

So, what about the possible cooker integration?  I
think something like that would be great!  ...I'm not
sure to what extent the integration was considered -
be it just adding the internet favorite or actually
building an app for it - but that would certainly make
Easy Urpmi much more easier...  And easy should be the
goal of Mandrake =)

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[newbie] Easy Urpmi

[Tango Echo]

Can anyone get into Easy Urpmi?

And what was that talk I heard about integrating it
into cooker?

Thanks,

Tango

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RE: [newbie] Upgrading, backing up, and restoring data - moving from 9.1 to 9.2

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>-Original Message-
>From: Derek Jennings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:43 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [newbie] Upgrading, backing up, and
restoring 
>data - moving from 9.1 to 9.2
>
>On Wednesday 07 Jan 2004 4:13 pm, Tango Echo wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've recently decided to take the plunge and use
9.2
>> as my base OS.  I'm performing a clean install on a
>> brand new hard drive.  My old mdk 9.1 install still
>> resides on two old hard disks.  My question is
this:
>>
>> Is there a simple way to restore my data from 9.1?
>> The main apps that need to be restored are GAIM,
>> Evolution, and Kmail.  While I do need the info
back
>> from them, I DO NOT want to over write system files
>> since 9.2 has newer packages installed.  I've heard
>> some people just copy the old folder back (so I'd
copy
>> my old Tango directory to over write my current
Tango directory).  
>> That would over write the sys files IMO. I know
Mandrake has a 
>> backup/restore utility too, but I'm not sure if
that applies here.
>>
>> Lastly, if no solution is available, why not?  It
>> would seem simple enough to me.  Just make a
program
>> or bash script that copies all the data files (not
>> system files) to another hard drive or cd, then run
it
>> again to restore them.  I'm sure many of you must
go
>> thru this at the rate we upgrade.  This is the
biggest
>> pain of the upgrade procedure IMO.  Tweaking my eye
>> candy in the new version, etc is no big deal, it's
>> trying to remember what files go where
>> w/backup/restore, etc.
>>
>> Any ideas here?
>>
>The only places where configuration is held is in
/etc  for system 
>configuration and in your home directory for user
configuration.
>
>So for example to have the same samba configuration
in your 
>new set up copy 
>the old contents into /etc/samba
>
>To get your user setting for gaim back just copy the
contents 
>of ~/.gaim  back 
>into your home. (Note files beginning with '.' are
hidden)
>
>Many of us get around the issue by keeping /home on a
separate 
>partition, and 
>then simply not formatting that partition when doing
a new 
>install. All your 
>configurations and user files are therefore
preserved.
>
>One work of warning though. All files in Linux have a
UID 
>(User Ident Number) 
>and GID (Group Ident Number) It is vital for your
users to 
>have the same 
>UID/GID numbers between installs or else you would
end up not 
>owning your own 
>files. The simple way around the issue is to always
add your 
>users in the 
>same order when you install. The first user is UID
501 the 
>second is 502 etc. (This gets a bit complicated if
you use 
>Userdrake to add users because it will 
>start adding users with a UID of 500)
>
>BTW: If you use drakbackup  to back up your system it
will 
>save the users home 
>directories and the contents of /etc which you can
then use to 
>set up a new  
>install.
>
>derek

Thanks for the detailed reply Derek =) !
Now, am I understanding you correctly that worrying
about app file over writes is not an issue?  That was
primarily what I was worried about.  For example, if
app files such as those that make up mozilla 1.3 are
in the Tango directory and I install 9.2, will 1.3 be
the browser if I copy the Tango dir back? Or are all
working app files stored outside of ~ ?  I realize you
said sys config files are in /etc but I want to make
sure you didn't mean app files - those that make up
the actual program (probably should've used 'app file'
vs. 'sys file').

I've heard of the seperate /home partition, but looks
like this will be something I need to do!  Can you
give me a modern expectation for size allocation of /?
I've heard 1.5 - 2 times for swap, and /home takes
what's left after /, but I've never really known what
to allocate for just /... I've got around 50 GB to
spare for the partitioning.

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RE: [newbie] 9.2 good now?

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>-Original Message-
>From: Eric Huff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:38 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.2 good now?
>
>
>> Is there something wrong with the USA 9.2 contrib
>> mirrors?  I can't seem to get them to work =/
>
>Did you remove the bad ones before adding a different
one?
>

If urpmi.removemedia -a removes them all, then yes.  I
did that then put in main, contrib, update, and plf
thru Easy Urpmi.  Tried to use secsup for main,
contrib, and update... maybe easy urpmi is messed?

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[newbie] Upgrading, backing up, and restoring data - moving from 9.1 to 9.2

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

I've recently decided to take the plunge and use 9.2
as my base OS.  I'm performing a clean install on a
brand new hard drive.  My old mdk 9.1 install still
resides on two old hard disks.  My question is this:

Is there a simple way to restore my data from 9.1? 
The main apps that need to be restored are GAIM,
Evolution, and Kmail.  While I do need the info back
from them, I DO NOT want to over write system files
since 9.2 has newer packages installed.  I've heard
some people just copy the old folder back (so I'd copy
my old Tango directory to over write my current Tango
directory).  That would over write the sys files IMO. 
I know Mandrake has a backup/restore utility too, but
I'm not sure if that applies here.

Lastly, if no solution is available, why not?  It
would seem simple enough to me.  Just make a program
or bash script that copies all the data files (not
system files) to another hard drive or cd, then run it
again to restore them.  I'm sure many of you must go
thru this at the rate we upgrade.  This is the biggest
pain of the upgrade procedure IMO.  Tweaking my eye
candy in the new version, etc is no big deal, it's
trying to remember what files go where
w/backup/restore, etc.

Any ideas here?

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RE: [newbie] 9.2 good now?

[Tango Echo]

>I think you'll find that if you do a fresh install of
9.2 and 
>immediately 
>apply all the bugfixes and updates before doing
anything else, 
>that you will 
>find it to be a very sweet distro.

Indeed! The basic overview has been very impressive so
far.  However, I have yet to really put it to the
test. One more quick question:

Is there something wrong with the USA 9.2 contrib
mirrors?  I can't seem to get them to work =/

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[newbie] 9.2 good now?

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

What have your experiences been with Mandrake 9.2?  I
recently purchased a new hard drive and was debating
if I should put 9.1 (my current one) or 9.2.  I know
lots of people had complained about 9.2 initially, but
perhaps most of the bugs have been worked out?  Are
there any common bugs I should know about? I just
returned from a break so I'd be interested what all of
you think 

Thanks

Tango 

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Re: [newbie] Need mdk Motherboard recommendation...

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--- Lanman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> TE; The Asus P4S800 is very nice for Linux. Been
> running
> three without problems. Don't know which
> CPU you have but this takes P4's. Also handles
> Hyper-Threading with the new P4's, so that Linux
> sees
> one P4 as two P4's. Works very well like that too!
> 
> Lanman
> 
> *** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***
> 
> On 12/17/2003 at 6:16 AM Tango Echo wrote:
> 
> >Well, I think my motherboard decided to just
> randomly
> >die the other night.  Worked fine the night before,
> >but in the morning didn't respond to the power
> switch.
> > I checked the power cables and swapped the power
> >supply for a known good one - still nothing.  So
> that
> >would be mobo then, I guess...
> >
> >What do you guys recommend for a motherboards that
> >would work great with Mandrake?  I was running 9.1
> but
> >am considering 9.2 (if you guys can recommend it
> now).
> > The ideal mobo would have an 8x AGP slot w/on
> board
> >temperature detection.  On board video, sound and
> net
> >are not neccessary as I have these already. 
> Hopefully
> >they still work!  Cost is an issue too,
> unfortunately,
> >as the budge is somewhat limited.  Heh, they
> probably
> >dont' make mobos w/lifetime warranties do they? 
> Well
> >any and all advice from you all I greatly
> anticipate!
> >
> >Tango
> >

Thanks for the advice Lanman and Derek =)

I'm not 100% sure it is the mobo as I still have to
check the outlet, cable, and switch.  But I need to be
ready if it is!

I've always heard good things about Asus.  Time to
shell out the $70+ and pick one up...  I agree that I
would like a flexible BIOS for a couple reasons: a) in
case I get in a tweaky mood b) special options like
internal temperature are extremely valuable.  My
old/current chip set is SiS. MDK 9.0 ran on it
horribly, but 9.1 ran like a dream.  As for the
current CPU it's an AMD Athlon XP 1600.  I'd like to
stick with AMD if possible...  Silly question, but
Pentium or Intel chip sets still support AMD
processors right??  Sure hope so... Thanks for
pointing out the closed source issue w/Nvidia, Derek. 
Yes, I have and love my GeForce FX 5600 video card,
but that is a must have!

Tango

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[newbie] Need mdk Motherboard recommendation...

[Tango Echo]

Well, I think my motherboard decided to just randomly
die the other night.  Worked fine the night before,
but in the morning didn't respond to the power switch.
 I checked the power cables and swapped the power
supply for a known good one - still nothing.  So that
would be mobo then, I guess...

What do you guys recommend for a motherboards that
would work great with Mandrake?  I was running 9.1 but
am considering 9.2 (if you guys can recommend it now).
 The ideal mobo would have an 8x AGP slot w/on board
temperature detection.  On board video, sound and net
are not neccessary as I have these already.  Hopefully
they still work!  Cost is an issue too, unfortunately,
as the budge is somewhat limited.  Heh, they probably
dont' make mobos w/lifetime warranties do they?  Well
any and all advice from you all I greatly anticipate!

Tango

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Re: [newbie] kroupware

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--- Lee Wiggers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This program is the last step in my office. Act! is
> the only thing
> running on VMware right now. 
> 
> Has anyone installed either server or client.  Does
> the available
> rpm work on mdk?
> 
> Should I dl the tarball and checkinstall an rpm?
> 
> kdenetwork-kroupware-1.0.1-1 RPM for i386.
> 
> Lee

Lee, while were on the subject, have you tried
phpgroupware?  I am considering an office Linux mail
server that will provide groupware (contacts,
calender, etc).  So it seems the major options right
now are kroupware, phpgroupware, and opengroupware. 
If you or anyone else can make a recommendation I'd
greatly appreciate it!  I should probably start
focusing on the Linux studies 1st, but it would be
nice to implement such a tool...

Tango

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Re: [newbie] PDF Import Filter for KWord

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--- "H.J.Bathoorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 11 December 2003 15:20, Lee Wiggers
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:00:58 +0100
> Specifically I'm having troubles with multi-page
> PDF's not single page one's.

I'm sorry if this was already covered in the thread,
but I was not completely following along.  Where are
you getting your mulit-page PDFs?  I would love to
find out how/if this is possible.  Currently I have a
document I'm scanning in via Kooka but am only able to
send each individual page to a PDF file.  Hence, a 5
page docuement produces 5 individual files instead of
a single PDF file =/

Any suggestions or should I look on expert?  I would
think this would be a very common task that I am
trying to accomplish here...

Thanks,

Tango

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[newbie] Fitness/Diet software?

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

Do any of you know of a good fitness/diet software
program that's run in Linux, preferably Mandrake? I'm
surprised that to this point I have been unable to
find such a simple program.  Something like fitday.com
were you can track what you eat, and produce chart
graphs of weight, food, etc...

Thanks!

Tango

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Re: [newbie] Scan to PDF?

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--- Derek Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 Dec 2003 3:05 pm, Tango Echo wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Is there an app that can easily scan docs to a PDF
> > file?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tango Echo
> 
> Of course
> 
 
> Alternatively
> kooka - Install kdegraphics-kooka RPM. If you select
> 'Print' in kooka you get 
> the same printer selection dialogue as described
> above.

Heh, oh yeah, there it is... Thanks =) 
But now I face a new problem.  The quality of the PDF
file printed is not very good at all.  Some of the
smaller type is not even readable.  Are there settings
to change this as well?

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[newbie] Scan to PDF?

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

Is there an app that can easily scan docs to a PDF
file?

Thanks

Tango Echo

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RE: [newbie] I'm baaaaaaacccckkkkk!

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>-Original Message-
>From: Lanman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 7:44 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [newbie] I'm baaak!
>
>
>Well Gang ! After a short hiatus while I dumped a
crappy ISP, 
>I'm back and ready to,..um, ...er,.. read emails, 

Welcome back Lanman!  Glad to see you again =)

Just now catching up w/list...


Tango

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RE: [newbie] Where on Twiki is the win/lin app list?

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>-Original Message-
>From: et [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:51 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [newbie] Where on Twiki is the win/lin
app list?

>gocr

Thanks et, but GOCR is what Kooka uses.  Unfortunately
there doesnt' appear to be an update either... =/

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Re: [newbie] Where on Twiki is the win/lin app list?

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--- Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 05 Dec 2003 2:46 pm, Tango Echo wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I started with a quest to find a better OCR
> program
> > then the version of Kooka that's included in 9.1. 
> I
> > recall a table of applications on Twiki (at least
> I
> > think it was there) that listed the comparison. 
> Like
> > for example, you would look for Quickbooks under
> > windows and next to it would be Gnucash.  I
> searched
> > Twiki but couldn't't find it... Can any of you
> point
> > me in the right direction? Also, if you happen to
> know
> > of a good OCR program I'd love to hear about it =)
> >
> > Tango
> >
> Tango, I don't recall ever seeing anything like
> that, but it's an 
> excellent idea.  I think we should start it right
> now.
> 
> As for OCR, I've not tried it, but XSane has an
> option to scan to OCR, 
> I think.
> 
> Anne
> -- 

Ah ha! Found it...  Here's the url:

http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/#1

It appears to be an excellent resource.  Perhaps if
this goes on up on Twiki, we could put an astrisk next
to each piece of software that is Mandrake supported. 
For example if Gnucash is available from the mandrake
contrib (or perhaps other mirrors) we could put a *
next to it.  Then people know they only need to urpmi
the app name to grab it.  If we really wanted to get
fancy we could have the * hyperlinked to a page that
listed the Mandrake versions that support the app.  So
we could setup 3 pages for example:
1 - 9.2
2 - 9.2, 9.1
3 - 9.2 9.1 8.2
Then depending upon the support of the app, we
hyperlink the * to 1, 2, or 3.  Just some thoughts

I tried xsane with not much more luck then Kooka. 
Basically it identified some characters that Kooka
didn't, but didn't recgonize some that Kooka did. 
Perhaps I should start a new thread to see what others
are doing for OCR.  There's gotta be something better!
 Although Kooka and Xsane were really the only free
OCR apps on that list...



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[newbie] Mandrake 9.2 won't install

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Hi all,

I just downloaded Mandrake 9.2 and tried to install. 
I am brought to the inital splash screen where I hit
Enter to continue.  Next I see the text fly by but am
stopped by this error:

error in exec of stage2 :-(
trying to execute '/usr/bin/runinstall2' from the
installation volume,
the following fatal error occurred
FATAL ERROR IN STAGE1: I/0 error
I can't recover from this.
You may reboot your system.

I tried reburning the CD from the ISO and tried
installing on a different computer (both are Compaqs).
 I'm going to guess the ISO is bad and I need to
download it again. But I'd like to make sure here. 
Any suggestions?  I for the ISO from the secsup mirror
if that matters...

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Re: [newbie] Kmail hangs - mdk 9.1 - fix or better search option?

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--- "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 December 2003 08:25 am, Tango Echo
> wrote:
> >TE  Hi all,
> >TE
> >TE  I have Mandrake 9.1 installed (w/latest Texstar
> KDE).
> >TE  When I input a search string and hit search
> Kfind
> >TE  hangs.  When other windows are dragged in front
> of it,
> >TE  then removed, the Kfind window becomes
> distorted...
> >TE  Is there a fix for this or can you recommend a
> better
> >TE  search tool?
> >TE
> >TE  Thanks!
> >TE
> >TE  Tango Echo
> 
> How 'bout just using "find", "whereis", or "locate"
> from a shell?
> 
> Works awful good here. :-)
> 
> -- 

Thanks Ronald, but I am looking for a GUI solution. 
Yes, I can always su, updatedb, then slocate - and it
does work good!  However, I am shocked to see only one
gui based file search program installed in MDK 9.1,
not to mention it doesn't even work... Any more ideas?



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Re: [newbie] Mozilla - that resource hog!

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Yes I'm sure it's mozilla.  When I shut down the
program and bring it back, everything is normal for
around a week.  Also, when I top, mozilla-bin is
taking up everything!

Any more ideas?

--- Raffaele Belardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you sure there isn't any other process eating
> resources in that 
> period of time? Maybe a crond job?
> 
> I run 1.5 on 9.1 24/7 (what??? :-) and never
> experienced that behaviour.
> 
> raffaele
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I'm running MDK 9.1 on my workstation.  I usually
> > leave it on 24/7 for the week but shut it down on
> the
> > weekends.  Usually between Wednesday and Friday
> > Mozilla becomes *painfully* slow. I'm talking
> about
> > writing a sentance and watching it appear over the
> > course of 10-30 seconds... Scrolling and simply
> > browsing is also slowed dramatically.  I'm running
> > gkrellm and it indicates that my CPU is pinned at
> 100%
> > during this slow period.  I thought that maybe if
> I
> > upgraded Mozillia that may help.  So I took out
> the
> > old and installed Mozilla 1.5 XFT.  Still no luck.
> 
> > This is going to sound silly, but the only way
> I've
> > found to fix the problem is to shutdown all
> instances
> > of Mozilla and start the program back up.  Seems
> > simple enough, but when I'm doing a lot of
> research
> > leaving the windows open is much more convenient
> then
> > book marking or history browsing... Even after I
> shut
> > it down it still can spike the CPU to 80-100% - is
> > that part normal?
> > 
> > Any ideas here? 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Tango Echo
> > 
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[newbie] Mozilla - that resource hog!

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Hi all,

I'm running MDK 9.1 on my workstation.  I usually
leave it on 24/7 for the week but shut it down on the
weekends.  Usually between Wednesday and Friday
Mozilla becomes *painfully* slow. I'm talking about
writing a sentance and watching it appear over the
course of 10-30 seconds... Scrolling and simply
browsing is also slowed dramatically.  I'm running
gkrellm and it indicates that my CPU is pinned at 100%
during this slow period.  I thought that maybe if I
upgraded Mozillia that may help.  So I took out the
old and installed Mozilla 1.5 XFT.  Still no luck. 
This is going to sound silly, but the only way I've
found to fix the problem is to shutdown all instances
of Mozilla and start the program back up.  Seems
simple enough, but when I'm doing a lot of research
leaving the windows open is much more convenient then
book marking or history browsing... Even after I shut
it down it still can spike the CPU to 80-100% - is
that part normal?

Any ideas here? 

Thanks in advance,

Tango Echo

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[newbie] CORRECTED: Kfind hangs - mdk 9.1 - fix or better search option?

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Yes it is Kfind not Kmail =P

>-Original Message-
>From: Tango Echo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:26 AM
>To: newb-mdk
>Subject: [newbie] Kmail hangs - mdk 9.1 - fix or
better search option?
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have Mandrake 9.1 installed (w/latest Texstar KDE).

>When I input a search string and hit search Kfind
>hangs.  When other windows are dragged in front of
it,
>then removed, the Kfind window becomes distorted... 
>Is there a fix for this or can you recommend a better
>search tool?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Tango Echo
>
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[newbie] Kmail hangs - mdk 9.1 - fix or better search option?

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Hi all,

I have Mandrake 9.1 installed (w/latest Texstar KDE). 
When I input a search string and hit search Kfind
hangs.  When other windows are dragged in front of it,
then removed, the Kfind window becomes distorted... 
Is there a fix for this or can you recommend a better
search tool?

Thanks!

Tango Echo

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[newbie] Test v2.0

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did everyone just get unsubbed?

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RE: [newbie] Can you hear me now?

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--- "Tony S. Sykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday 18 Nov 2003 4:19 pm, Tango Echo wrote:
> > I think I was unsubbed... Just making sure things
> are
> > back to normal...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tango
> 
> Reading you loud and clear!
> 
> Anne
> -- 
> Registered Linux User No.293302
> Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet?
> 
> 
> Me too now I resubbed myself.
> 
> Tony.
> 

Roger that and good to be back!  I wonder how many
other "bad" address were actually valid.  Oh well, it
was a very minor inconvenience anyway...

Eric, I don't know how you are handling the bounces
but maybe waiting a peroid of time (1-2 weeks) before
unsubbing the addy might be a good idea.  I email from
a Yahoo acocunt that has the potential to reach it's
quota max in one day from the shear about of
spam/viruses I receive.  I would think email starts
bouncing after the quota is hit.  My only options
presented by yahoo are to delete as often as they come
in (not always possible) or create a new account.  So
would there be any way to hold out on unsubbing?

Tango

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[Tango Echo]

I think I was unsubbed... Just making sure things are
back to normal...

Thanks,

Tango

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Re: [newbie] mirror speed checker

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>-Original Message-
>From: Phil Newcombe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:21 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [newbie] mirror speed checker
>
>It looks like those files won't be created if the
script can't run but 
>line 92 looks just wrong so maybe one of our mail
clients is 
>truncating 
>lines or messing up the file somehow.  I'm posting
all this 
>from windoze 
>(long story) and windoze and linux use a different
default line ending 
>in text files (cr&lf  opposed to just cr) so maybe if
you're 
>looking at 
>it in Mandrake the lines might be getting juggled
because of 
>that.  Try 
>looking at the original post :
>
>http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1997/debian-user-199711/msg
01752.html

and see if anything looks obviously out of sync.  (the
backslashes at 
the end of some lines are escape characters that tell
the shell that 
this is actually one long line but has been broken up
for readability or 
to fit on the screen or page better.)

I've just posted the scripts here :  
http://www3.telus.net/bikim/chkmirror/ 

_01 is mine,  _orig is the original, and _v2 is the
authors next version.

--
pn

===

Okay, things are looking much better!  Here's the
output now:

sh cheker2ndWerk README.mirrors
Testing 131  mirror sites for speed and
reliability.
Tests done : 9 13 15 16 1 20 22 24 26 27 28 30 3 2 4 8
6 12 10 14 18 17 25 21 31 33 35 37 38 40 42 48 47 52
54 45 44 55 43 58 34 36 39 41 46 49 53 32 51 59 60 5 7
11 19 23 29 63 67 74 61 65 62 72 78 77 79 82 81 83 85
84 86 89 90 66 50 56 57 71 70 97 98 109 114 115 119 92
93 95 94 100 99 101 107 110 111 96 113 112 116 117 64
68 69 75 76 73 80 87 88 125 127 121 122 124 91 102 103
104 105 106 108 118 120 123 128 129 130 131 126 .
Fastest mirrors are:
63.164  ms AVERAGE , 50% packet loss, SITE
mirrors.secsup.org
71.031  ms AVERAGE , 16% packet loss, SITE
raven.cslab.vt.edu
71.924  ms AVERAGE , 33% packet loss, SITE
mandrake.mirrors.pair.com
72.248  ms AVERAGE , 33% packet loss, SITE
mandrake.mirrors.pair.com
76.053  ms AVERAGE , 16% packet loss, SITE
mirrors.ptd.net
78.590  ms AVERAGE , 0% packet loss, SITE
mirrors.secsup.org
79.222  ms AVERAGE , 33% packet loss, SITE
raven.cslab.vt.edu
89.984  ms AVERAGE , 66% packet loss, SITE
helios.dii.utk.edu
92.638  ms AVERAGE , 16% packet loss, SITE
wuarchive.wustl.edu
93.014  ms AVERAGE , 16% packet loss, SITE
ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu

Does that look completely correct? If you think so,
I'll put up both files on Twiki in that location Anne
suggested. 

Thanks,

Tango




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Re: [newbie] mirror speed checker

[Tango Echo]

--- Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> --- Phil Newcombe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --   clipped everything  
> > -
> > 
> > I was in 9.2 when I copied the script to a win
> dir. 
> > It looks as if the 
> > copying or cutting and pasting juggled the lines
> up
> > a bit - could be 
> > because the tr part was on the wrong line the
> shell
> > got the wrong 
> > instructions.  A reworked copy is pasted below and
> > you can find the orig 
> > here :  
> > 
> >
>
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1997/debian-user-199711/msg01752.html
> > 
> > 
> > ###
> > 
> > #!/bin/sh
> 
> Hmm, I'm still getting errors.  Actually I'm getting
> more now =P  ... Here's an output:

I have no idea if this is useful information or not
but this is the output I receive when running the
orginal debian script unmodified:

sh debchek README.mirrors
Testing   0  debian mirror sites for speed and
reliability.
Tests done : .
Fastest mirrors are:
mv: cannot stat `mirrors_by_speed': No such file or
directory
sort: open failed: mirrors_by_speed~: No such file or
directory
debchek: line 92: ors_by_speed~: command not found
sort: open failed: mirrors_by_speed~: No such file or
directory

I really wish I knew more about bash scripting... I
looked thru the most recent mandrake script you
provided and it almost appears that there is a
misplaced ' or ` character... I dunno, that's just how
it appeared to me.  Let me know if I can be of any
more  help to you in addition to testing the scripts
here.

Tango

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Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !

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--- Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can set up a page for you, containing the single
> word 'placeholder', 
> on which you can build, if that would help.  For any
> potential 
> contributors who don't want to learn the few simple
> formatting 
> commands, they can use html tags instead.  Just let
> me know if you 
> want me to start it.
> 
> Anne
> -- 
> Registered Linux User No.293302
> Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet?

Sounds like a plan, Anne.  Just let me know where this
'placeholder' is and I'll try to get something
started...

Thanks,

Tango


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Re: [newbie] mirror speed checker

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--- Phil Newcombe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --   clipped everything  
> -
> 
> I was in 9.2 when I copied the script to a win dir. 
> It looks as if the 
> copying or cutting and pasting juggled the lines up
> a bit - could be 
> because the tr part was on the wrong line the shell
> got the wrong 
> instructions.  A reworked copy is pasted below and
> you can find the orig 
> here :  
> 
>
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1997/debian-user-199711/msg01752.html
> 
> 
> ###
> 
> #!/bin/sh

Hmm, I'm still getting errors.  Actually I'm getting
more now =P  ... Here's an output:

$ sh cheker README.mirrors
Testing tr: invalid option -- n
Try `tr --help' for more information.
cheker: line 92: unexpected EOF while looking for
matching ``'
cheker: line 105: syntax error: unexpected end of file

BTW, you probably already assumed, but I am running
Mandrake 9.1.  Since it's running fine on your 9.2
install, I wonder what the difference between the two
versions could be... Looks like the orginal script
came from 1997 so I wouldn't think this problem is
caused because my version is older then yours... 
Could I perhaps be ommiting a simple detail to runing
the file?  You just add the mirrors to README.mirros
and run sh  README.mirrors, right? Let's
keep pluggin away at this.  Once we get it working,
I'll put it up on TWiki in the area Anne suggested


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RE: [newbie] mirror speed checker

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>-Original Message-
>From: Phil Newcombe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:27 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [newbie] mirror speed checker
>
>
>Hi all.
>
>Here's a bash script I found looking for something
that would poll 
>(ping) Mandrake mirrors and return the result rated
by speed like 
>apt-netselect does in Debian.  I hacked it up a bit
to make it 
>work with 
>the mirror list (README_mirrors) and I'm no guru
so.

I probably should've tested it before my orginal post
to this thread. Oh well. I've run into a problem. 
This is what I get when I run the script:

tmp]$ sh cheker README.mirrors
Testing tr: invalid option -- n
Try `tr --help' for more information.
cheker: line 69: syntax error near unexpected token
`newline'
cheker: line 69: `then grep "rtt"
$tmpdir/ping$$_$h | cut -d"/" -f 5 | tr "\n" " " > '

This is rather confusing since tr has the valid option
of "\n".  Here's a copy of the script below,

TIA,

Tango


###

#!/bin/sh

# sort_mirrors_by_speed by A.Mennucci Nov 97
#
# this program is subject to the
#  GNU general public license

#
# this program will scan the file in $1 using
#  grep "\.[a-zA-Z]*:" $1 | awk '{print $1}'
#  to find mirror site host names.
#
#  the string before the  :  character is considered
to be a
#   mirror site host name
#
#  Mirror sites are pinged and statistics  are
collected and sorted #


if [ "$1" = "-h" -o "$1" = "--help" ] ; then
 echo Usage: $0 mirrorfile
 echo " Argument must be the file README.mirrors "
 echo "  containing a list of debian mirrors."
 echo " This program will ping all mirrors with 4
packets"
 echo "  to test their speed and reliability, and then
will "  echo "  sort the result, put it in file
mirrors_by_speed and show the 
best."
 exit 0
fi


tmpdir=~/tmp

# warning: using the directory /tmp and running this
script
# as root is a potential security problem

if ! [ -w  $tmpdir ] ; then
 echo $0 ERROR dir $tmpdir is not writable
 echo please create it if it does not exist
 exit 1
fi


if [ ! -r "$1" -o "$1" = "" ] ; then
 echo $0 ERROR Give as argument the file
README.mirrors
 echo "  containing a list of debian mirrors"
 exit 1
fi
if [ -r mirrors_by_speed ] ; then
  echo $0 ERROR the file  mirrors_by_speed already
exists
  exit 1
fi

#touch $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed 

n=0

echo -n "Testing "
grep "[a-zA-Z]" $1 | awk '{print $1}' | wc --lines |
tr "\n" " " echo " debian mirror sites for speed and
reliability." echo -n "Tests done : "

#for i in ` grep "[a-zA-Z]*:" $1 | awk '{print $1}' `
;
for i in `grep "[a-z]*" $1 | cut -d"/" -f 1 | awk
'{print $1}' ` ;  do
  n=`expr $n + 1 `
   (
   h=$n
   #echo TEST $h for  $i
   #if ping -c 6 `echo "$i" | cut -d: -f 1` >
$tmpdir/ping$$_$h;
if ping -c 6 `echo "$i"` > $tmpdir/ping$$_$h;
then grep "rtt" $tmpdir/ping$$_$h | cut -d"/" -f 5
| tr "\n" " " > 
$tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
echo -n " ms AVERAGE ," >>
$tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
grep "received" $tmpdir/ping$$_$h | cut -d"," -f 3
| tr "\n" "," >> 
$tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
echo " SITE $i" >> $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
#cat $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
cat $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h >>
mirrors_by_speed
rm $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
   fi
   rm $tmpdir/ping$$_$h
   echo -n "$h "
   ) &
   # we do not want to flood the net; we test 30 sites
at a time
   # then we wait 8 seconds so that most of the pings
will be done
   if [ `expr $n % 30 ` = 0 ] ; then sleep 8 ; fi
  
 done
wait
 echo "."
 echo "Fastest mirrors are: "
 mv mirrors_by_speed mirrors_by_speed~
 sort -n mirrors_by_speed~ > mirrors_by_speed
 head  mirrors_by_speed

# end of scriptd~
 sort -n mirrors_by_speed~ > mirrors_by_speed
 head  mirrors_by_speed

# end of scriptript

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RE: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !

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>-Original Message-
>From: Lanman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:40 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak
Up !
>
>
>Just curious about something. How many of the list
members
>are using
>Linux in the workplace and how?
>I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing
what
>with it, and
>which distro's, whether they're seeing 
>an increase in business because of Linux and what
>interesting things
>they're doing with Linux. 
>
>It might prove to be an interesting source of
information
>for
>newbie's to know what can be done with Linux, 
>especially when it's applied in a production
environment.
>We see all
>kinds of articles regarding Linux, but
>it's very hard to contact those people to see how
something
>was done,
>and what Tips 'n' Tricks were used
>to accomplish a particular task.
>
>MandrakeSoft has a special site 
>(http://www.mandrakebizcases.com ), that allows
>anyone to post 
>their 
>particular application of Linux, but for the most
part you 
>can't get the hands-on info from those companies 
>or individuals.
>
>Is this something we could/should add to the Twiki
site? Comments?
>
>Lanman  
>
>site? Comments?
>
>Lanman  
>

You're probably already aware lanman, but I'll say it
for everyone to hear...  I currently have one MNF box
on one of our sites that performs firewalling, IDS,
and WebProxy.  I'd be lying if I said it's been
flawless, but I must also admit the problems have come
from my lack of admin knowledge.  Still, the problems
have been quite minimal and I believe it's at a point
where you "plug it in and forget about it..."

The Twiki suggestion is great.  One addition to it may
be more of an "industry HOWTO".  For example, people
could post HOWTOs that pertain to their industry. 
Weather its government, insurance, production, retail,
or something else, each industry has its own specific
needs from the software it uses.  Even if it's just a
list of apps they use, it would give people a good
idea where to start and what tool(s) is recommended
for the job.  Add some contact info for each
bizcase/howto and you have a rather powerful tool for
Windows to Linux migrations =).  (I'm actually still
in search of the Win to Lin migration myself)

Tango


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[newbie] Register programs in MDK 9.1 - Mozilla?

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

I recently urpme'd my orginal mozilla installation on
my  9.1 box and installed Mozilla 1.5 using the
mozilla installer from the Mozillia site. Now it seems
Mozilla isn't my default browser.  For example, when I
click on a link in GAIM or Evolution, nothing happens.
 Does the new installation need to be 'registered'
with MDK 9.1 so it knows the new 1.5 install is my
default browser? How do i fix this? Thank in advance,

Tango

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Re: [newbie] Organizing bookmarks

[Tango Echo]

I use and highly recommend backflip.com  ...That site
has come in much more handy then I thought...  

--- Trey Sizemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have accumulated bookmarks in each of 3 browsers
> (Mozilla, Firebird,
> and Galeon) over time and I'm ready to clean house. 
> I'm looking to
> either import from one into another or find some way
> that they can all 3
> share a common set of bookmarks.  I tend to use
> Firebird the majority of
> the time, so I wouldn't mind just consolidating
> there.
> 
> I'd appreciate any ideas from someone who's done
> this.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> Trey
> ---
> 
> There is an innocence in admiration;
> it is found in those to whom it has not yet occurred
> that they, too, might be admired some day.
> - Friedrich Nietzsche
> 

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RE: [newbie] nVidia problem with permissions ..

[Tango Echo]

>-Original Message-
>From: Ricky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:37 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [newbie] nVidia problem with permissions .. 
>
>
>Hello all, (& thx..learned alot listening in)
>but I need some guidance here.. 
>Fyi I'm a 9 week old noob' but windoze user, back
from dos 
>5/6+. I'm dual booting [mandrake 9.1, kernel
2.4.19-13, kde 3.1.4] 
>w/win98 fer games now .. I have a creative labs
Geforce Pro 
>videocard. the glx driver rpm's from mandrake are
installed 
>but I couldnt get 
>'glxgears' test to work (after I broke my system for
the 12+ 
>time), this time i got this error trying to run
quake2 thru winex3.1 
>from konsole "error: could not open /dev/nvidiactl 
because the 
>permissions are too restrictive. Please see the
FREQUENTLY 
>ASKED QUESTIONS section of 
>/usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README for steps to
correct." So 
>readme says the PAM system may be changing
permissions on 
>nvidia /dev files. So this usually works but "it can
get confused". It 
>recommends changing /etc/security/console.perms and
remove  
>references. I did this and it works, glxgears and
quake2. BUT 
>I miss line 80 with another  reference and
forget to 
>chmod fileperms & owner to root.yes I got xcited. So
now it 
>wont finish booting, It says hde1 is not right and
wants to do 
>fschk but fails, choice is to reboot or ctrl-d for
root 
>password. So I go to root console 
>and try to repair the lines in console.perms thru
emacs, now 
>the file system is read-only, although emacs will
make a backup
>(console.perms~) ??
>
>So before I reinstall from iso backups (norton ghost)
pheew .. 
>how should I procede ? should the mandrake rpm's be
fine if I 
>install nvidia driver from nvidia*.pkg2.run from the
site ? or 
>do they need to be uninstalled ? inorder to not
repeat this 
>again, any ideas? I'd like to fix it first, ghost it
as the 
>last resort, then install nvidia driver.
>
>Thx in advance,
>btw I ghosted /home before I wrote to newbie.. so I
think the 
>FS should be ok. I think .. (sidebar?-what is pam?) 
>
> ok. I think .. (sidebar?-what is pam?) 
>

Ricky, 

I had (have) a very similar problem with my GeForce FX
5600... I started getting that same error you do about
permissions being to restrictive.  I also attempted
removing the  references (but forgot one)  and
found my self booting to what you have now.  Now if
only I can remember how I fixed it...

I do know I made a backup of the console.perms but I
believe to overwrite the exsisting one, I had to go in
single mode.  If are using LILO, try booting into
single mode THEN try modifying the console.perms file.
 I believe you hit ESC at the graphic LILO screen and
type 'linux single' to accomplish this (others can
comment if this isn't right).

While I was able to bring it back just fine, I tried
it again but made sure to remove all 
references... I wasn't impressed with the results so I
put it back.  To this day if I get that error I must
enter a root console and chmod 0666 /dev/nvidia* to
get to work.  Please, if any knows of better solution,
let us know!!

Thanks,

Tango




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RE: [newbie] 4 speakers & linux - ATTEN: Anne Wilson

[Tango Echo]

>-Original Message-
>From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 8:58 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [newbie] 4 speakers & linux
>
>
>On Monday 08 Sep 2003 1:28 pm, Tango Echo wrote:
>> Anarky,
>>
>> I had a hard time with rear sound on my SB Live 5.1
>> card.  It isn't fun. But fortunately I found a fix.
>> Here's what I did to fix it:
>>
>> Start alsaguimixer
>> Mute the "SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack" item
>> Control the volume of the rear speakers by the
"Wave Surround" Item.
>>
>> I played with it a little - lowered the front and
>> raised the rears.  Finally it worked great!  Is
this
>> new info or of any help?
>>
>I don't think this is on the TWiki page about sound: 
>http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/SupportSound
>
>If you could add it, I'm sure it would help others. 
If you need help, 
>the attached is an intro to TWiki editing.
>
>Anne
>-- 
>Registered Linux User No.293302
>Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet?
>tp://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet?
>>

Hi Anne,

I was cleaning out my newbie list folder when I
realized you had hoped I would post this fix to Twiki.
Better late than never?  =)

This is my first post ever to Twiki so if you don't
mind, could you look it over to see if it's
satisfactory/sufficient? Do I need to add any more
info?  It's located at the spot you requested.

Thanks in advance,

Tango

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RE: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges [slightly OT]

[Tango Echo]

> > Ah! Here is the reference:
> http://www.hackbusters.net
> > While it's possible it may deal directly with his
> > LaBrea tar pit program, it appears to hinge around
> the
> > tar pit technology.  Here's a quote from the site:
> > Quote:
> >
> > This section of the Illinois Criminal Code was
> added
> > on January 1, 2003 by Public Act 92-728 and
> defines an
> > "unlawful communication device" as "any
> communication
> > device which is capable of... facilitating the
> > disruption... of a communication service without
> the
> > express consent or express authorization of the
> > communication service provider..."
> 
> Well, I am not a resident of Illinois, therefore,
> this particular criminal 
> code does not apply to me. 

Good, but you might want to check these states too:
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/states/

> Also, as written, it is
> not usable against a 
> honeypot.  

I didn't see that - where is it?  And how does this
pertain to a tar pit?

> If you are running the honeypot, you are
> the communication service 
> provider, therefore, you have given yourself express
> authorization.  

As I understand it, the laws are writen losely so that
"communication service provider" is left open for
interpretation.  The ISP is also a communication
service provider.  Wouldn't you agree?
 
> I think that you need to reread the "for the
> commission of a theft of a 
> communication service" portion again.  A spammer, by
> definition is committing 
> a theft of service and meets all the definitions of
> this act.  So, he is 
> going to press criminal charges against you for
> committing an act identical 
> to his own?  A drug dealer pressing charges against
> another drug dealer for 
> dealing drugs?  Not only that but criminal charges
> must be prosecuted by the 
> State, not by a private entity, so there is no way
> that a spammer can sue you 
> for a violation of criminal law, only for a tort.
> 

The underlying problem isn't "theft of data" but
rather running an "a unlawful communication device"
(program) tht "distrupts communication and conseals
origin of data".

> > LaBrea both disrupts communication and conceals
> the
> > true origin of communication in an attempt to
> protect
> > a network from attack. If you are currently
> running
> > LaBrea, I would suggest that you look into the
> > legality of having an operating network tarpit in
> your
> > state.
> >
> > ...Not to encouraging, eh ? =/  This program
> sounds
> > nice too...
> 
> Someone's paranoid reading of the law in a way that
> suits their fantasy.  

I agree with you that it may simply be paranoid
interpretation...  But then again, who's providing
goods/serveices/etc and isn't at least slightly
paranoid of lawyers?  It's almost like you need to
adapt the security mentality - "don't assume the
probable but rather the possible".  Contrary to what
it sounds, this isn't a rant on the US legal system. 
Instead, I'm just tying to get the facts straight
here.  I've considered implmenting such software in my
organization.  Fortunately, the orgainization has a
lawyer that may be  resourceful in this situation.

> 
> -- 
> Bryan Phinney
> Software Test Engineer
> 

Thanks,

Tango



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Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges

[Tango Echo]

--- Bryan Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Friday 31 October 2003 08:40 am, Tango Echo
> wrote:
>
> > What about the legal consequences of using a tar
> pit?
> 
> I can't possibly see what kind of legal consequences
> could follow.  Someone is 
> connecting to your server voluntarily and using your
> resources.  You are 
> simply metering how slowly they can use those
> resources.  Since your server 
> is your property, you are certainly free to meter or
> throttle those resources 
> as you see fit.  I also wouldn't describe it as a
> DoS attack, more like a DoS 
> defense and where you are providing the server, it
> is certainly within your 
> purview to deny that service.
> 
> You actually think that a spammer is going to take
> you to court and argue to 
> the judge, "Your Honor, I was attempting to access a
> computer resource 
> without proper authorization and it didn't respond
> as quickly as I would 
> like.  Could you please have the damages I am
> requesting delivered care of 
> the Federal Correctional Facility that I am assigned
> to based on my admission 
> to violating several Federal statutes for
> unauthorized computer access?"

Yes, I do actually. Bryan, your problem is you are too
rational =). In this upside down world we live in, and
an even more more upside down US legal system (plz, no
OT flames) anything is possible.  I've heard of cases
where a theif fell thru a skylight window, injuried
himself, sued the intended victim and won.  While I
suspect that is probably an urban legend I totally
believe it is possible...

> Worse case scenario is that the spammer tries to
> attack your system in some 
> sort of bizarre revenge scheme, but given that it
> would be extraordinarily 
> difficult for him to actually figure out that the
> server in question is an 
> active tarpit, I don't think that this is very
> likely, not to mention the 
> fact that any active server on the Internet is
> already subject to such 
> attacks, whether they are tarpitting or not.
> 
> There have been several cases of active honeypots
> that were used to monitor 
> hacker behavior published, there are also several
> public projects to create 
> SMTP honeypots, teer-grubes (tarpits), and honeynets
> to combat spammers.  I 
> have heard of no legal actions commenced as a result
> of these.  You are much 
> more likely to be sued for actively blocking mail
> using a DNS Blocklist than 
> you are for running a SMTP honeypot or tarpit.

Ah! Here is the reference: http://www.hackbusters.net 
While it's possible it may deal directly with his
LaBrea tar pit program, it appears to hinge around the
tar pit technology.  Here's a quote from the site:
Quote:

This section of the Illinois Criminal Code was added
on January 1, 2003 by Public Act 92-728 and defines an
"unlawful communication device" as "any communication
device which is capable of... facilitating the
disruption... of a communication service without the
express consent or express authorization of the
communication service provider..."
 
It furthermore makes it a criminal offense if a person
knowingly "possesses, uses, manufactures, assembles,
distributes, leases, transfers, or sells" an "unlawful
communication device... for the commission of a theft
of a communication service or to receive, disrupt,
transmit, decrypt, or acquire... any communication
service without the express consent or express
authorization of the communication service provider,
or to conceal or to assist another to conceal from any
communication service provider or from any lawful
authority the existence or place of origin or
destination of any communication".
 
LaBrea both disrupts communication and conceals the
true origin of communication in an attempt to protect
a network from attack. If you are currently running
LaBrea, I would suggest that you look into the
legality of having an operating network tarpit in your
state. 

...Not to encouraging, eh ? =/  This program sounds
nice too...


Tango
 
> If I had a static IP, I would be running one myself.
>  I don't, so I can't.
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Phinney
> Software Test Engineer
> 


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Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges

[Tango Echo]

--- Bryan Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Thursday 30 October 2003 10:24 am, Ralph Slooten
> wrote:
> 
> With the tarpit, you rig your mail server to accept
> the connection attempt but 
> then receive the traffic e  v   e   r s  os 
>   l   o   w   l   y, 

What about the legal consequences of using a tar pit?
Seems I remember reading something about that several
months back... Or perhaps they were just questioning
it becuause the TP acted as some kind of DoS attack
(even tho they are connecting to you)?  Maybe that's
been straightened out - does any one know?

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[newbie] Need Trouble Ticket program recommendation

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

I searched freshmeat for trouble ticket programs and
found quite a handful.  I would like your
recommendations... Are any of you using a linux/web
based support ticket program?  Do you know of any good
ones in 9.1?  Something for an IS department to track
problems and search/retrieve later for solutions would
be intent here.

Thanks in advance!!

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Re: [newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO?

[Tango Echo]

--- Lanman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Been there, Done that! Can you say LTSP Tango?
> 
> IMHO, it's a much better solution than independant
> installs.
> 
> Write me off list if you need to know more.
> 
> Lanman
> 
> *** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***
> 

Hi Lanman! Hoped you'd pop in on this topic...  Yes, I
looked into LTSP a little over a year ago... Seemed
nice, but you still have that terminal server
investment: the server hardware.  In an ideal world
that would be great to setup, but I'm *hoping* to just
make due with what I have for hardware resources.
Unless there is more to this technology then I realize?

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Re: [newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO?

[Tango Echo]

--- HaywireMac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:53:15 -0700 (PDT)
> Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> 
> > I've got a couple 200 Mhz 128 MB Dells that I'd

> I would recommend XFCE4, it's easy to install,
> thanks to Todd Slater
> there are RPMs on the site, and is extremely light,
> should run fine on
> those machines, I know it did on my P233 with
> similar memory.

I've always thought IceWM to be one of the lightest
WMs.  There probably isn't a way to weigh these
things, but you find XFCE4 to be faster??

> If it is possible, I might recommend picking up some
> additional RAM,
> SDRAM for those boxes is cheaper than duck shit
> right now, you can pick
> up a 128MB stick for about 20 or 30 dollars.
> 

It's at around $15 on pricewatch... =)  Gotta love
inexpensive RAM!  I've thought about purchasing a
faster processor (400-500Mhz?) since they are quite
cheap too.  However, then the mobo and disks could
probably use an upgrade as well.  The ideal situation
would be to get these things functional w/out any
additional purchases or hardware changes.

> > If not, what do you suggst I do for these systems?
> I
> > still have the MDK 8.2 disks, but Mandrake dropped
> > support for this version - this could lead to a
> > comprimised system.
> 
> I would even suggest grabbing the latest 9.2
> release, there have been
> some enhancements and fixes that are fairly
> significant.

This is where you got me... It almost sounds that
you're saying 9.2 is not any more (if not less)
recsource intensive then 8.2.  It may seem to be a
windows mentality, but I would think common sense
would dictate that more advanced software requires
more advanced hardware.  What's the case here?


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[newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO?

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

I've got a couple 200 Mhz 128 MB Dells that I'd like
to throw Mandrake on for the local Library.  I put 9.1
on it, but I think that's to much for it - even
running IceWM.

Are there any HOWTOs similar to what I'm trying to
accomplish here?  Users will need to be locked down as
not to tamper with configuration or install any
software.  However, tasks such as web browsing,
chatting (multi user?), viewing multimedia, and using
office applications will be standard usage.

If not, what do you suggst I do for these systems? I
still have the MDK 8.2 disks, but Mandrake dropped
support for this version - this could lead to a
comprimised system.

Thanks in advance,

Tango

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Re: [newbie] cool toy

[Tango Echo]

Thanks Ed!  I've actually been needing this, but
haven't had a chance to look...

--- ed tharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just used jigl.pl to make thumbnails for a page I
> was doing, and never
> having played with it before, I was pleased as
> punch, and thought that
> anyone else wanting an automated way to create a web
> page with
> click-able thumbnails might like to know about. 
> 
> "xome.net/projects/jigl/"
>  
> requires perl, imagemagick, jhead.


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Re: [newbie] Blender - ing

[Tango Echo]

--- Anarky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Richard Smith wrote:
> 
> > I installed blender on M9.0 and took a close look

 ... and there is a long list on the
> elysiun forums in the 
> tutorials sticky topic in "blender general"
> category, I think ... and 
> anyway, in case you're interested, here are some
> bookmarks of mine:

What do you and others suggest for Wings 3D tutorials?
 Just the ones that are on the Wings homepage?

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Re: [newbie] Lightwave 3D / 3d artwork / Blender

[Tango Echo]

--- John Richard Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> robin wrote:
> 
> > John Richard Smith wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >> I installed blender on M9.0 and took a close look
> at it , and frankly 
> >> , to a complete beginner it seemed a bit too much
> to understand. They 
> >> assume you already know a lot of the terms, but
> if you are like me 
> >> you have never ever seen a 3d modeling programme
> before, and while  I 
> >> dare say I will get used to it all in time, so
> far I haven't succeded 
> >> in so doing. 

Back on the subject of Wings 3D, I found a site that
provides a urpmi source of wings 3D rpms!  Here it is:

http://rpm.nyvalls.se/graphics9.0.html

Just add his source, and urpmi wings =)
I must say, however, that I am skeptical of adding a
urpmi source that is not necessarily trusted. Couldn't
he add malicious code to the packages?  Or is this
site known enough to have a decent reputation?  Am I
just being paranoid here? What do you guys think?


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Re: [newbie] Lightwave 3D

[Tango Echo]

--- Anarky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tango Echo wrote:
> 
> >Hi all,
> don't be misslead ... Blender is a very complex &
> powerfull tool ... you 
> wouldn't believe how powerfull. I wouldn't believe
> it either at first 
> ... I thought it was just this free programm ... but
> as you learn more 
> you'll be quite shocked. Really. I remember a
> discussion on the Blender 
> mailing list about how people seem to take free
> stuff as not-so-good 
> software ... while (at least in the case of blender)
> .. it is so 
> great ... that if you packaged it seriously, not
> everything in one pack 
> .. but separate stuff for say scripts, a tutorial cd
> & all .. you could 
> truthfully sell it for a high (and honest) value.
> Give it a serious try 
> ... seriously ... when you've used all the tools it
> has once ... I'm 
> quite sure you'll realize how strong it is (I know I
> NEVER knew of a lot 
> of stuff it could do until I had done quite a lot of
> tutorials ... then 
> also I remember one in which the author was saying
> exactly something 
> like this ... something like the only animation
> tools on the topic of 
> the tutorial that he knew were done as good as
> blender were in Maya and 
> Softimage who got it right).
> in short ... Blender is worth a lot of dough ...
> and yet it's for 
> free .. it's only weak spot that is worth noting
> were the radiosity 
> rendering that was lacking .. but that is being
> patched right now from 
> like 3 direction (export to povray, export to yafray
> (raytracer made 
> especially for blender or something like that, and
> next version of 
> blender)  oh, and one more thing ... a lot of
> Blender artists find 
> it usefull to couple the power of Blender with the
> modelling ease of Wings3d

Ok, so I admit it, I know nothing about 3D modeling.
However, it is an interest of mine that I've always
wanted to explore.  

My doubts in Blender weren't that it was free, but
rather the quality of the screen shots I was seeing -
they appeared to be rather low quality. I was very
impressed by the screenshots on Wings 3D. However if
I"m understanding this correctly, Wings is just the
modeler and Blender is the actual component that
renders the picture. Thus the actual quality of
picture would come from the render component.  I saw a
few poeple on that forum say they were using Lightwave
for renders.

Tell me I'm missing something, that Blender can render
images at least close to what Lightwave can do?  Also,
how does one integrate Wings into Blender and why
isn't Wings in the Mandrake packages?

TIA,

Tango

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[newbie] Lightwave 3D

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

Was browsing digitalblasphemy earlier... I've seen
references before but never actually entered the site.
 The artist claims he uses Lightwave 3D and World
Builder for some projects.  Ok, that's $3,000 I don't
have right now.  Does any know of a similar product
for Linux? A high quality 3d modeling program?  I've
heard of blender, but haven't really checked it out...

Thanks,

Tango

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RE: [newbie] OT - 3rd Annual Nigerian E-Mail Conference

[Tango Echo]

On Tuesday 16 September 2003 02:22 pm, ed tharp wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 11:08, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> > On Tuesday 16 September 2003 10:05 am, Tango Echo
wrote:
> > > At the risk exposing my newbiness - what's up
with the
> > > top/bottom posting debate?  I prefer top posting
> > > becuase I can read it on auto preview... What is
the
> > > advantage to bottom posting besides a lot of
scrolling
> > > exercise (actually my scroll finger is already
strong
> > > enough, thanks)?
>
> well that is you... and I just post all around
because I really enjoy
> having other folks around who are as confused as I
am..
>
> > > > On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 05:20:51 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > > Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > > > > Taken in... yeah in more ways then one. 
Don't
> > > >
> > > > and some times I post right in the
middle of the
> >
> > line,, to make sure everyone attributes are really
messed up
> >
> > > > know of
> > > >
> > > > > you remember the headline but someone was
actually
> > > > > killed over this scam:
> > >
> > >
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,57760,00.html
> > >
> > > > > Pretty sad, eh?
> > > >
> > > > What with the freakin' top-posting today??!!
> > > >
> > > > LOL!

ed:
I'd say we've made our point.
-- cmg


Well, almost...

Keeping the emails neat by clipping sigs and headers
definitely makes sence.  It's extra work, but I can
see that its just curtious.  As far as "reading up" I
can almost see that point as well - but I see both
sides.  When I'm following a thread I usually have all
the emails sorted by thread with auto preview on. 
Since I'm going down the list of emails in the thread,
I already know what the discussion is about.  But to
have to scroll down 5 pages to see the one liner
comment seems unnecessary when I could have just seen
it in 0.5 second with a top post and auto preview.  If
I'm lost on the comment, I just scroll down to double
check...  I'm assuming you don't "read up" like that
because you (re)read all the comments right down to
the one liner???  Also, do people that don't include
any previous message in their reply (snip all) get
grief too?  Ed, I hope you were just joking about
posting in the middle - seems a lot of people would
miss what you say if you weren't!

Thanks,

Tango


> >
> > TE:
> > The debate about top and bottom posting is a
semi-annual event here. The
> > worst, though, are people who alternate top and
bottom posting in the
> > same chain.
>
> Yep. or the ones who snip only some of the
attributes like in this
> letter...
>
> > FWIW, I've noticed that bottom posters do a better
job of deleting the
> > extraneous crap such as ads for the Store and
Yahoo, and overly-long
> > signatures.
> >
> > -- cmg
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> I just enjoy confusion and company



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Re: [newbie] OT - 3rd Annual Nigerian E-Mail Conference

[Tango Echo]

Taken in... yeah in more ways then one.  Don't know of
you remember the headline but someone was actually
killed over this scam:

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,57760,00.html

Pretty sad, eh?

--- Aron Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 21:26, Stormjumper wrote:
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Aron Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 09:19
> > Subject: Re: [newbie] OT - 3rd Annual Nigerian
> E-Mail Conference
> > 
> > 
> > > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 18:23, Chris wrote:
> > > > For those who are saving these emails now is
> your chance to meet
> > the actual
> > > > authors!
> > > >
> > > > http://j-walk.com/other/conf/index.htm
> > > Trouble is ..it's probably true ;-))
> > 
> > notice the line at the bottom that says joke's
> over.
> > ;-)
> actually I collect them as they are so obvious that
> I wonder if anyone
> has ever been taken in by a Nigerian letter
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
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RE: [newbie] 4 speakers & linux

[Tango Echo]

Anarky,

I had a hard time with rear sound on my SB Live 5.1
card.  It isn't fun. But fortunately I found a fix. 
Here's what I did to fix it:

Start alsaguimixer
Mute the "SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack" item  
Control the volume of the rear speakers by the "Wave
Surround" Item.

I played with it a little - lowered the front and
raised the rears.  Finally it worked great!  Is this
new info or of any help?


-Original Message-
From: Anarky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:27 PM
To: mandrake newbie
Subject: [newbie] 4 speakers & linux

... I'm really frustrated :-(

high tendency to be angry at linux & stuff ... no,
don't kill me .. I'm 
chilling ... but I was really hoping hard that with
Mandrake 9.2 4 
speakers Sb Live would work right ... unfortunatelly
it's a big no ... 
by big I mean also that the sound is weird ...
probably quite lower 
quality than windows ... the drivers were quite weird
.. a lot of 
controls ... kmixer couldn't crack it at all ...
alsamixer knew more ... 
but none of them gave voice to the rear speakers (btw,
I'm talking about 
the 9.2 rc1 version in which I had put high hopes in
..) ... however a 
lot of them in some way changed the sound of the sound
.. giving birth 
to a lot of ambiguity and a lot of way to make the
sound even lower 
quality ... ... is Linux never going to go for simple
sound? Just a 
'front-back, left-right' set of sliders and a volume
... that's all I 
wanted :( ... I didn't expect all the fancy effects I
could do in 
windows ... :-( ... you can tell I'm frustrated ... I
guess ... this was 
for a friend's coputer .. she has a Sb Live 5.1 
on mine (Sb Live 
Value/1024) the back speakers were just as obscure ..
but eventually 
with alsa drivers & somewhere hidden in the alsamixer
I managed to turn 
them up/on ... even though it's strange as any volume
I turn up in say 
xmms or mplayer actually turns up only on the front
speakers ... I'm 
pretty sure some of you guys might have 4 speakers ...
or something ... ??


rs ... or something ... ??




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RE: [newbie] cool games?

[Tango Echo]

Here's a little bit of info I found.  Looks like they
were founded in '98 then filed Chapter 11 in August
'01

http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?id=299438655

http://slashdot.org/articles/01/08/14/0230218.shtml


-Original Message-
From: Anarky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] cool games?

robin wrote:

> Anarky wrote:
>
>>Hi .. I'm trying to gather as many cool games as
I can under Linux 
>> .. I know we can't really compete with comercial
windows games .. but 
>> still I'd like to have as many games as possible
that I can be proud 
>> of in Linux. thus far the Linux games I am proud to
have are:
>>
>>  Transfusion, Chromium, Frozen Bubble, Tux
Racer, Clanbomber, 
>> Armagetron
>>
>>   Yes I know there are many many many games out
there .. but I'm 
>> looking for non-card games,
non-(mainly)mind-games(with poor 
>> graphics) ... please help me build up my repertoire
of cool Linux 
>> games (let's try to avoid comercial ones).
>>  
>
>
> I got addicted to xkobo for a while - very nice
nostalgic space 
> shoot-em-up.  There's also a nice  game called
Vegastrike.  It's a bit 
> glitchy on some hardware (e.g. mine), but it has
great potential - 
> it's basically Elite with better graphics.  And of
course there's Doom 
> and Quake!
>
> It's a shame Loki died.  I spent many happy hours
with their demo of 
> Railroad Tycoon.

will somebody plz tell me or point me to an article to
the story of this 
Loki thing ... I find it .. looks great .. seems like
a Linux publishing 
company .. and then I hear it's dead ... what .. where
.. what exactly 
did it do?


. where .. what exactly 
did it do?






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RE: [newbie] Americas' Army extraction problem

[Tango Echo]

Yeah I'm running the download version of 9.1.  Neither
Enemy Territory or America's Army gave me problems...
Any ideas what the prob could be?  Would a rebuild of
MDK be feasible?  BTW, have you also checked your disk
space - especially in /tmp?


-Original Message-
From: Ronald J. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Americas' Army extraction
problem

On Tuesday 02 September 2003 09:34 am, Tango Echo
wrote:
> Well finally got around to trying it out.  Download,
> extract, install and boot camp all went very smooth
on
> my 9.1 box.  Seems to be quite a fun game too! 
Don't
> think the drill sgt liked all those holes I put in
his
> field during jump training tho ;)

 My 12 yr old had that same problem!

Anyways, just out of curiosity - are you running the
boxed set or the download 
version of v9.1?

I've got the d/l version here - and I had the same
problem with Enemy 
Territory. I'm assuming its something I've done
somewhere - but I can run 
other stuff - just those 2 so far.

Thanks!

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Re: [newbie] MDK Gaming Mailing List?

[Tango Echo]

Count me in. I'd be interested in such a list.  How
has the progress been on this project so far?


--- HaywireMac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I am thinking of a little project, starting my own
> mailing list.
> 
> One idea I had was another OT list to balance out
> the right-wing
> fanaticism on the existing one, but I've had enough
> of that and have no
> interest any longer in that side of things.
> 
> Another idea, one I would enjoy much more and would
> cause me less
> stress, would be a gaming-specific mailing list.
> 
> I don't see a lot of gaming related posts here, but
> would ask any
> serious to semi-serious to occasional gamers to let
> me know if you would
> be interested in such a list.
> 
> Suggestions for other topics are of course welcome,
> as well as tips on
> how the 'ell to go about doing this.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> -- 
> HaywireMac
> Registered Linux user #282046
> Homepage: nodex.sytes.net
> ++
> Mandrake HowTo's & More:
> http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org
> ++
> Living in the complex world of the future is
> somewhat like having bees
> live in your head.  But, there they are.
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RE: [newbie] cool games?

[Tango Echo]

Anarky,

You may already know about this one, but I'll say it
again anyway in case:  America's Army  Great game!
Installed it over the weekend.  Once again, a free
high end game available for linux.

www.americasarmy.com/




-Original Message-
From: Anarky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 5:45 PM
To: mandrake newbie
Subject: [newbie] cool games?

Hi .. I'm trying to gather as many cool games as I
can under Linux 
.. I know we can't really compete with comercial
windows games .. but 
still I'd like to have as many games as possible that
I can be proud of 
in Linux. thus far the Linux games I am proud to have
are:

  Transfusion, Chromium, Frozen Bubble, Tux Racer,
Clanbomber, 
Armagetron

   Yes I know there are many many many games out
there .. but I'm 
looking for non-card games,
non-(mainly)mind-games(with poor graphics) 
... please help me build up my repertoire of cool
Linux games (let's try 
to avoid comercial ones).
thanks,






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RE: [newbie] enemy territory

[Tango Echo]

Denis, any  progress with this?  After I installed it,
a menu short cut (K>Games>Enemy Territory)
automatically appeared.  Was this not the case with
you?



-Original Message-
From: Dennis Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] enemy territory

On Monday 01 September 2003 10:57 am, Björn Olsson
wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 Anarky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > Björn Olsson wrote:
> > >I have spent *far* too much time on Enemy
Territory myself. It's
> > >based on Return to Castle Wolfenstein so in a way
it is a comercial
> > >game, though it is given away for free. You can
find more information
> > >at http://www.3dgamers.com/games/wolfensteinet/
> >
>http://www.splashdamage.com/download.php?op=viewdownload&cid=7
> > > http://www.enemy-territory.com/
> >
> > I can't figure out this game though ... is it
comercial, is it
> > free?
> > .. seems at one point there is only windows
version ... and the
> > general impression that it's maybe an addon for
something like 'return
> > to castel wolfenstein' and you can't play it
unless you've got the
> > game. Please clarify ... promissingly enough I see
a big download ...
> > is this really somethign that you can download,
install & play and
> > don't need anything else? Or is it just a demo?
>
> ET was obviously planned as an expansion pack for
Return to Castle
> Wolfenstein, but for some reason Id Software changed
their minds and
> decided to make it a stand alone game and give it
away for free. You
> won't have to spend a single leu (apart from the
cost for downloading).
>
> There is a Linux version as well as a Windows one.
On this page you'll
> find links to several Linux download sites:
>
http://www.splashdamage.com/download.php?op=viewsdownload&sid=2
> The file you download contains a client as well as a
game server, so if
> you want to, you'll be able to host your own games
with up to 50
> participants.
>
> The original game contains six maps, but custom maps
have begun to pop
> up as well. You can find many of them here:
http://www.pcgamemods.com/4/
>
> If you are behind a firewall you'll have to open udp
ports 27950, 27951,
> 27952, 27960, and 27965.
>
>
> Good luck, and see you in 1944
> Björn
As single user mode do you have to have those ports
open? All I get is a black 
screen when I type "et" in a console. Yes I am behind
a firewall, so is that 
the reason I get a black screen? A little help here,
thanks,
-- 
Dennis M. linux user #180842

p here, thanks,
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RE: [newbie] Americas' Army extraction problem

[Tango Echo]

Well finally got around to trying it out.  Download,
extract, install and boot camp all went very smooth on
my 9.1 box.  Seems to be quite a fun game too!  Don't
think the drill sgt liked all those holes I put in his
field during jump training tho ;)


-Original Message-
From: Ronald J. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Americas' Army extraction
problem

On Tuesday 26 August 2003 12:24 pm, Tango Echo wrote:
> =D =D
>
> Another high quality game available on Linux??

Yep!

> Ron, how did it run on your Linux boxes after you
> finally got it installed?

Runs fine on all 3 comps here: all 3 have Nvidia
cards, 2 with onboard sound 
and one with a SBLive. CPUs range from Athlon XP2100,
Duron 900mhz and Athlon 
FIrebird (true) 850mhz with memories ranging 512m,
384, and 384. Even the low 
end machine ran it fine.

> I should try to install it on my MDK 9.1 system.
> Interested in the results if/when I get around to
it?

I'd just be interested in knowing if it installed
cleanly - thanks!

> --- "Tony S. Sykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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[newbie] NNTP Clients?

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

Could any of you recommend a good NNTP client for MDK?
 I just realized Mozilla has one, but would like to
know what my options are.  I use Evolution and Kmail,
but neither seem to have that type of support.

Thanks!

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RE: [newbie] Americas' Army extraction problem

[Tango Echo]

=D =D

Another high quality game available on Linux??

Ron, how did it run on your Linux boxes after you
finally got it installed?

I should try to install it on my MDK 9.1 system. 
Interested in the results if/when I get around to it?

--- "Tony S. Sykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I downloaded it at the weekend and it installed on
> 9.1 download no
> probs. Install as root so all users can use it. I
> assume you md5'ed it?
> 
> Tony.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ronald J. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:24 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Americas' Army extraction
> problem
> 
> 
> On Monday 25 August 2003 04:40 pm, Charles A Edwards
> wrote:
> 
> > I have 17 running on 9.2 (cooker)
> >
> > I did not have the patience to dl 19 with the
> crappy free speeds you
> get
> > from filefront.
> >
> > Did find at at better speeds from another site,
> will give it a go
> > tomorrow.
> >
> >
> > Charles
> 
> The only way I could get it to work was to extract
> it on the one machine
> then 
> use NFS to copy it to the others. :-(
> 
> It worked though then. :-)
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Re: [newbie] Racer - racing sim & fmod

[Tango Echo]

Not that I'll be able to help, but what version of
linux are you running? Also, what were the exact names
of the packages you are using?  ...and just out of
curosity, what are the system specs?


--- Kristjan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
> I have found a nice piece of simgame I wanted to
> install to my kids but
> now I am stuck in problems
> 
> "Racer" (the free car racing sim. /
> http://www.racer.nl). requires also
> the Fmod (music and sount effect sytem /
> www.fmod.org) to be installed
> 
> I did as they instructed ( copied the file to
> usr/lib/), but when I try
> to start the racer then it complains about missing
> fmod. And when I
> tried to compile racer, it also complains about the
> missing fmod..
> 
> Can anybody point to me what I need to do to make
> racer work.
> 
> thanks 
> 
> Kristjan
> 
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[newbie] Playing/Running content from Mozilla

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

I recently discovered how to install a few extra
plugins for Mozilla including Real Player and Java. 
This is great - still trying to make the full move
from Windows. I also have discovered MPlayer (in place
of Ogle...).  My question is: How can one play WMV
files and other content right from Mozilla?  I
installed mplayerplug but that didnt' seem to work. 
Since Mozplugger appears more powerful (you can link
office files, etc) I figured I'd try that... Office
files such as .doc open fine.  But still cannot
automatically open wmv.

If I download the wmv files and open them in MPlayer,
they play fine.  The problem appears to be in the
linking of mozilla and mplayer?  Any tips or advice
you guys can offer will be greatly appeciated.  Thanks!

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[newbie] Video capture

[Tango Echo]

Hi guys!

Can any of you recommend an inexpensive Linux
compatible video capture card?  I am told the primary
need for this card will be for converting VHS tapes to
file.  I saw the  ATI TV wonder VE on pricewatch for
about $47.  However, this card looks quite basic (does
it only transfer video - no sound?).

Secondly, what would be a good app to capture the
video once the appropriate hardware has been
purchased?

Thanks!

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Re: [newbie] linear video editing...

[Tango Echo]

Would LiVES work?

If you have your PLF urpmi source setup just:

urpmi lives

=)


--- manolis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Óôéò Ðáñ 18 Éïõë 2003 04:18, ï/ç ed tharp Ýãñáøå:
> > On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 06:57, manolis wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Anyone knows a program for simple LINEAR video
> editing of AVI files?
> > > I need something equivalent to VirtualDub for
> Linux...
> >
> > will Cinelerra work for what you want?
> 
> Cinelerra is very NON-linear. It is far beyond what
> I want. 
> I just want an utility to give me preview frame by
> frame of a movie, that can 
> give me options for removing specific frames from
> the AVI, and recompressing.
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] nVidia driver fails to initialize at startup

[Tango Echo]

Joe, this vid card rocks.  I ended up going with the
256MB/Gainward option.  Although I haven't tried too
many games or settings, I've been quite impressed so
far.  One this I did do (on the XP side) was crank the
anti-aliasing to 8x in an attempt to kill those
"jaggies".  Decent improvement with 0% loss in
performance that I could tell... (True, some of the
jaggies are purely due to the game's orignal code)  As
I was saying before, Enemy Territory on Linux is all
I've been playing.  I've tried it in both Windows XP
and the Linux port.  All I can say is the Windows vs.
Linux crash scrorecard reads Win=1 Lin=0 =)  *sigh*
Nothing like spending 30+ minutes gaining experience
points then losing it all because WinXP decides its
having a bad day.

pricewatch.com has the card listed for $150... this is
actually how I purchased mine...



--- JoeHill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 05:58:27 -0700 (PDT)
> Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> 
> > 
> > I just installed a GForce FX 5600 recently
> 
> I kill you. I swear, I kill you.
> 
> How is it?
> -- 
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> 
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Re: [newbie] nVidia driver fails to initialize at startup

[Tango Echo]

Deek,

I just installed a GForce FX 5600 recently dispite my
elevated newbie quotient =)

First you did remember to leave X Windows when you
installed the nVidia driver, right? To get back your X
environment you may want to try entering console mode
(which doesn't seem to be a problem at this point),
and running the command drakxconf.  Choose the Geforce
FX driver under display settings, and quit.  For some
reason 'Test Display' didn't work for me, so I'm not
sure if I recommend that option.

Lastly, you can always 

vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4

to manually change it back...
(If you're not familiar with vi, pressing 'i' will
allow you to edit. ESC then :wq will write changes and
quite (:q! will exit with out saving).

Hope that is of some help - let us know how it goes!


--- Deek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gah, another problem:
> I just recently installed the nVidia driver for the
> GForce FX graphics card for linux, and installation
> and everything went fine, and it told me to change
> the XF86Config file to use the new driver. And so I
> did, and restarted the X server, and now what
> happens is the screen flickers a couple of times,
> and it give me an error message saying it couldn't
> start X Server because the nVidia kernal failed to
> initialize. So I go to it's documentation page, and
> it says this isn't the fault of linux's kernal, but
> it's the fault of the nVidia kernal, and could be
> due to the fact that it's module isn't loaded. So,
> using the terminal X Server-less, I browse to /sbin/
> like it says and I do insmod nvidia, and then
> modprobe nvidia. It loads successfully, but when I
> start up X server ('xdm' in the command line) the
> screen just goes blank, and I have to restart to get
> out of it. I was also wanting to know if there is
> any text editors that work without X Server, so
> incase if theres nothing I can do about it I can
> just edit the XF86Config back to what it was.
> Thanks.
> 


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RE: [newbie] New Video Card Setup - HELP!!

[Tango Echo]

Ronald,

Nevermind!  I spoke too soon!  I had downloaded the ET
file and was planning on installing it the following
night.  I was also thinking that the installation was
complex  (little did I know it was as complex as
typing sh  ... LOL).  Anyway, installed it
and played for about an hour last night.  Runs like a
dream!  Linux is now one step closer to being a
desktop distro - every game released with native Linux
install packages will continue that direction...

By the way, IIRC you mentioned you had some problems
getting it to work on your son's computer.  Did you
ever get the ET network up??



-Original Message-
From: Ronald J. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 2:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] New Video Card Setup - HELP!!

On Wednesday 09 July 2003 08:45 am, Tango Echo wrote:

> Thanks again to all for the help and to Stephen for
> the vid card recommendation.  Now if I can get Enemy
> Territory to work on Linux: one more nail the XP
> coffin =)

What trouble are you having with ET?

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RE: [newbie] New Video Card Setup - HELP!!

[Tango Echo]

Thanks guys I think I got it working!  Being the
impatient individual i can be, I just took the 1st of
advice from Robin:

1. Boot to console (had to since X didn't work)
2. Ran drakxconf => Selected Display Conf
3. Chose nVidia Geforce FX driver
4. DID NOT run test (for some reason that didn't work)
5. Saved changes and started X

Then I was up!  The nicest thing was the newest nVidia
driver install.  Just downloaded the driver, quit X,
sh'ed the driver, changed the nv line to nvidia in my
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and that was it!!

Thanks again to all for the help and to Stephen for
the vid card recommendation.  Now if I can get Enemy
Territory to work on Linux: one more nail the XP
coffin =)

By the way, what's the difference between drakxconf
and XFdrake?  Same tool with different names or is
XFdrake more powerful for vid config?


-Original Message-
From: ed tharp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] New Video Card Setup - HELP!!


run (from the console as root) XFdrake and chose
framebuffer, run X to
download the file need from Nvidia, init 3 and run the
.run file. not
positive if this works with this card, but if it does
not wok you can
send it to me...  
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 19:00, Jason Greenwood wrote:
> The other option perhaps is to boot into knoppix and
if it works fine 
> then copy your XF86Config/-4 files over the mandrake
ones and then 
> reboot. I find the Knoppix hardware
detection/configuration to be almost 
> flawless. After that, you can update to the latest
greatest drivers.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Jason
> 
> Greg Meyer wrote:
> 
> >On Tuesday 08 July 2003 08:10 am, Tango Echo wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>After following Stephen's advice, I purchased the
> >>GeForce FX 5600 256MB video card.  Not really
acting
> >>to intelligently, I simply powered down the
computer,
> >>swapped the cards, and started the dual boot
system.
> >>XP found the card fine, but MDK 9.1 kicks into the
> >>console.
> >>
> >>1. How can I configure the video card from the
console
> >>so I can get back into KDE?
> >>
> >>2.  I know the FX 5600 has its own updated drivers
> >>from the nVidia web site that I would like to be
> >>installed.  How does this play into it?  Do I have
to
> >>do the basic setup from the console to get KDE up
and
> >>running, then install the updated drivers?
> >>
> >>
> >Normally what you would do is to download the
drivers ahead of the switch, 
> >switch the hardware, boot to init 3, run the
installer and then restart init 
> >5.  Now, you could use a text based editor like
links or lynx to download 
> >them, or put your old video card back for a few
minutes, or download them on 
> >another comuter and burn a cd, etc.
> >
> >  
> >
>
>
> >
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> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] How do I use all buttons on MS Explorer mouse?

[Tango Echo]

I have a Logitech MX700 cordless optical - an
excellent mouse which also has extra butons!  Has
anyone else been able to get the Web Forward and Back
buttons to work?  I dropped deadman a quick question
on this mouse, but would be interested to know if any
of you have input or experiences to add...


--- JoeHill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 01 Jul 2003 13:09:23 -0400
> Trey Sizemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> 
> > I have a MS Intellimouse Explorer wireless USB
> mouse and want to be
> > able to use the side buttons as well (previous web
> page, forward page,
> > etc.).  Has anyone successfully gotten this to
> work?  What are the
> > changes to make in XFree86 (I assume)?
> 
> I have never actually done this, but he claims it
> works.
> 
> http://www.deadman.org/
> 
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[newbie] New Video Card Setup - HELP!!

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

After following Stephen's advice, I purchased the
GeForce FX 5600 256MB video card.  Not really acting
to intelligently, I simply powered down the computer,
swapped the cards, and started the dual boot system. 
XP found the card fine, but MDK 9.1 kicks into the
console.

1. How can I configure the video card from the console
so I can get back into KDE?

2.  I know the FX 5600 has its own updated drivers
from the nVidia web site that I would like to be
installed.  How does this play into it?  Do I have to
do the basic setup from the console to get KDE up and
running, then install the updated drivers?

TIA!

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RE: [newbie] GFX Card problem

[Tango Echo]

LOL!

--- "Tony S. Sykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Apply for parole.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Cody Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:34 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [newbie] GFX Card problem
> 
> 
> Hello, i have a 2.13 GHZ 512 MB Compaq Computer wirh
> a pro savage DRR
> (32) 
> video card trying to install Mandrake 9.1. I tried
> configuring X-Windows
> but each the all i get is vertical bars. What can i
> do?
> 
> -Cody Harris
> 


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Re: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!

[Tango Echo]

Also, I could be wrong here, but the polling method
MAY be faulty.  I'm suspicious of Gentooers - maybe
this is what they do: Go to the site, place the vote,
clear the cookies, refresh the page, place the vote,
rinse and repeat...?  If you sit there and refresh the
page you'll notice at least 3 votes every 5 seconds -
steady stream or something else?  

Now if we see the Mandrake popularity go thru the roof
we'll know whats going on ;)


--- Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have to put these things in perspective: it's not
> a scientific pol.,
> It may just be that more Gentoo types hang around
> Novell. And the
> Gentoo people probably told all their friends to
> vote to make it look
> more popular. How despicable :-D
> 
> Miark
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:00:59 +0100 Inhabitant of
> Zion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I was surprised that Gentoo is so popular.
> > 
> > I've never used it myself and never had anybody
> ever recommend it to me
> > either.
> 
> 
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[newbie] How to run script on KDE start?

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

I have a MDK 9.1 KDE box that I would like to run a
bash script on start.  Becuase the script in turn
plays sound files, I would like it to run at the very
end of the KDE start up sequence or as soon as KDE is
up and running.  

TIA!

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[newbie] Web Tracker/Filter

[Tango Echo]

Hi all,

Do any of you know of a MDK 8.2 program that can track
which websites users go to and perhaps filter as well
(albeit a very secondary objective).  The install will
go on a MNF box.  I was told that MNF could do perform
these tasks, but I believe the question was
misunderstood.  For example, I need the ability to
view all web sites visited per user name.

Thanks in advance...

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Re: [newbie] RADEON 9500 OK on MDK 9.1?

[Tango Echo]

Jure,

You say that you are running the 9500 on your
system... 

What version of Mandrake are you running?

Have you run any "serious" games with it such as
UT2K3?

Any idea if it will work with a ECS K75SA mobo?


--- Jure Repinc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FemmeFatale wrote:
> 
> > I can't read ... german...?  Nor do I see anything
> there for his card.  
> > Does that site give you 9700 drivers too???
> 
> I also don't know how to read german but it is not
> hard to find the 
> correct driver. Well I forgot to mention these are
> the unified drivers 
> which are for professional ATI cards and also work
> for normal cards. And 
> they work on Radeon 8500, 9000 and 9500 here so I
> guess they should work 
> on 9700 just fine.
> Here are the direct links to drivers for different
> XFree86 versions:
> 
> 4.1.0:
>
http://www.schneider-digital.de/download/ati/glx1_linux_X4.1.zip
> 4.2.0:
>
http://www.schneider-digital.de/download/ati/glx1_linux_X4.2.zip
> 4.3.0:
>
http://www.schneider-digital.de/download/ati/glx1_linux_X4.3.zip
> 
> 
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