[newbie] Kernel Decision - Which one?
Thanks to everyone that pointed me towards the list archive search page. That proved very helpful and I am sure it will be of more help in the future. I notice that there are already newer kernels than the one I was going to update to (2.4.8.34). I am mainly looking for one with security updates to the one that came with my 8.1 powerpack. That appears to be 2.4.8.34, but I am reading that newer kernels may fix problems that I may not be aware of (virtual memory, faster, supermount(?), etc.). Are any kernels newer than 2.4.8.34 just as stable as it is? Differences? With the search page I was not able to find a message that compared the various versions starting with (Mandrake-recommended?) 2.4.8.34. Also where can I download this kernel version, and is it safer (iow which way is my file going to arrive without corruption?) to download with browser (konq, or ???), ftp program (???) or with gnome transfer manager? I would like to bring my system in line with the various updates available through software manager/mandrake update & believe I am ready to take the first step (which seems the most daunting but should truly be the first step?): installing a newer kernel alongside my current one. Then I can install the nVidia kernel/glx. It seems there is already a version made for 2.4.8.34 which gives a point to that kernel but I believe I know how to do the make thing on the raw files if need arises. Thanks in advance, -- Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 AMD, Mandrake, Intercooled T-Type, Subaru, and Cannondale Doing it Better - Just a little bit different. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Kernel Upgrade & List Archives
Hello everyone, I am back to Mandrake Linux after a short hiatus. I had to reinstall again due to what turned out to be errors on my hard drive. I think I have them isolated now & if so I should have a stable system. It already looks much nicer on my KDS 17" flat screen monitor. Mandrake handled it combined with my old TNT card and gave me all graphics resolutions, which is a remarkable change from my old generic 14". I of course lost all my email and web bookmarks this time. I have decided to do occasional backups of these files to my windows drive just in case. I learned somewhere that a better working kernel than I am using (stock 8.1 2.4.8-26(?)) is 2.4.8.34(?) which is supposed to fix some security issues, virtual memory, etc. I had an email with directions for upgrading my kernel. Actually it was for something else, it was to someone who had just reinstalled and was wanting to do something else (update software manager lists?). But the person was directed to first install the newer kernel. I think the message went something like: First go to someplace.addy.outthere and download filex.afile and follow the directions on http:www.webaddy.ady to install it alongside your old kernel. Then go to mandrake update(?) and get the latest whatnot.files. And _then_ go to nVidia's site (or mandrakeuseronline?) and get the latest drivers for kernel 2.4.8-34(?) and install according to the directions at http:anothersiteIforgot.ady. And _then_ go do whatever the original person wanted to do because the computer is now updated. Of course since I lost the message(s) that is about all I remember now that I find myself in the same situation. Anyone care to send help? This brings up my other question: Is there a website with important archived information from this list for people with faulty memories (& hard drives) such as myself? Thank you, -- Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 AMD, Mandrake, '86 T-Type, Subaru, and Cannondale Doing it Better - Just a little bit different. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Can I Remove KDE's Newsticker?
Hello, I put KDE's "Newsticker" on my taskbar and I can't seem to find an option for removing it. How do I remove it? Also, when looking for a way to take it back off I saw a mention of a "sportsticker" but I can't seem to get it to show up anywhere. Is it not actually included in KDE 2.2.1? Thank you. -- Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Quick Software Manager Questions (3)
Hello, I just read Derek J.'s message about how to make Software Manager update its database so I can start browsing the list of packages on my cds or the web. I assume that this is done before looking at the cds so that any newer versions be found. So is the Software Manager smart enough to know that if I am looking at foobar 1.2.03-3 on cd#4 and foobar 1.4..07-5 is available through the update to tell me this or somehow stop me from installing an old (but newer than what is already installed) version from the cds? Also is it smart enough not to let me install either version of foobar if foobar 2.0.2 is already installed (or at least warn me that I'm about to go backwards)? I have looked at the cds a little bit in the last couple of days and would like to try the update but want to know for sure I understand how it is going to behave (or not). Last question: I know not to try to update my kernel using this method. Are there any other files/programs that I can't update with the Software Manager or warnings such as not updating the desktop I'm currently logged into? I believe I read that it doesn't actually count until the file in question is reloaded (as in a reboot) but am not sure. -- Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Extra Programs on Installation CD's
Hello, Someone recently told me about Lopster which is on one of the 8.1 Powerpack cds. Ok, they included which cd it was so I found it was an rpm and clicked on it from a file browser and it loaded the rpm installation program and installed it. Sweet, no sweat. Then today I checked into one of the package tools in the config menu and it gave me a list of programs (2 lists - installable and installed) and Lopster wasn't on either list even though it is installed (I just don't know how to use it). This behavior leads me to think there may be other programs on the cds that aren't mentioned anywhere. Is there a good way to browse them and any way to tell what kind of program they are and what they do without actually installing them? Thanks a lot everyone. -- Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lost KDE Media Player (noatun)
On Sunday 13 January 2002 11:42 am, you wrote: > Then I boot into Linux this morning and try to load KDE Media Player > (noatun) from KDE's menu and it gives me monoscope instead! I don't have > any idea how that happened, but I tried clicking on a saved playlist and it OOPS! _Now_ I feel stupid. All those times I tried to load noatun, it was loading them to my "taskbar"! I must have had ten different copies of the program running before I noticed. Sorry everyone, false alarm! -- Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Lost KDE Media Player (noatun)
Hello, Things were going quite nicely. I was considering trying to learn one of those things that allow you to play windows games in linux so I could delete my windows partition and give linux the full drive. Then I boot into Linux this morning and try to load KDE Media Player (noatun) from KDE's menu and it gives me monoscope instead! I don't have any idea how that happened, but I tried clicking on a saved playlist and it again loads monoscope. Then I use the run menu option and type noatun and it still gives me monoscope! I notice that the little place on the bottom bar says it is loading noatun but it gives me monoscope every time. This is highly annoying, to say the least. I have been slowly putting my cd's in the computer as mp3's so I can listen without swapping cd's. I have also discovered the beauty of custom playlists allowing me to put my songs in my order. Then I discovered Bearshare in Windows and realized I could sample songs from cd's I don't have yet to see if I would want to buy it. Not much radio in my area so this is very nice so I am not buying blind. I don't _think_ I directly screwed anything up. I did click on an rpm and a program came up and installed it for me, but I don't think that would cause this as the program was lopster (not related to the other two programs). Any ideas on what happened or how to fix? I must assume that I have somehow deleted noatun and put monoscope in its place with noatun's name, but that doesn't make sense! -- Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Gnutella Client
Hello, My Linux installation seems to be stable enough to actually use on a day-to-day basis! Also I finally saw the light and created a separate partition for my /home directories, so in the event of yet another reinstall I won't lose everything. I would like to know if there is any kind of "gnutella" type program for Linux, and if it is included on 8.1's powerpack cd's? -- Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KMail Email Backup
On 7 Jan 2002, at 8:19, shane wrote: > home/(your user name)/Mail last place anyone would ever look where it > belongs. ;-) Err, that makes sense. > the address book is in file:/home/shane/.kde/share/apps/kmail Forgot to even ask about that one. Thanks Shane & everyone else who's been so helpful. Wes G. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KMail Email Backup
Hello, I would like to make a backup of my email so that when I reinstall Linux I can restore it. I am using KMail. Does anyone know which files (& directory) have my email & mail folders in them? Can I just use one of the archive tools in KDE's desktop menu to archive them? I assume I can copy the archive file to my windows partition where it will be (reasonably) safe while I reinstall Mandrake 8.1 and then just copy it back and unarchive it back where it came from? Thanks much, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] In Windows (help me!) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Suggested /home size?
Hello, I was installing linux to an approximately 8 gig partition (reiserfs) and that seemed to give some stability in the case of my numerous stabs at the reset switch. But now I have a somewhat stable system but have to reinstall linux due to video driver issues. It has been suggested that I shrink this partition down a little bit in order to create a separate smaller partition for my /home directories. This in case I ever have to reinstall (after this next time) I won't lose all of our email/personal files/configuration & settings. What is a good size for the /home directory? I know I don't need the whole 8 gigs for my "main" linux partition - I think when I installed Mandrake it only took up about 3.5 gigs, maybe even a little bit less. Does it matter what file system I use for the separate partition? Should I just make it reiserfs also? And while I'm wondering about partitions, somewhere I had the option to tell it whether a partition shouold be primary, extended, or not pick anything. Not knowing what I should pick, I didn't pick any option. Does it matter in linux if I choose an option or not? Thanks, Wes G. (Temporarily) from Windows Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Best Upgrade for 2.4.8.26mdk?
Hello, I am most certainly NOT ready to try upgrading my kernel yet. But I am wondering which is the most stable/secure/bugfree. I have the "stock" kernel that comes with Mandrake Linux 8.1 Powerpack, I believe it is 2.4.8.26mdk. I am looking for stable/secure more than "latest new features." Should I be happy with the default kernel? I have not noticed any problems, except I had to type supermount -enable. Thanks, Wes G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Different Zip Drive Question
Hello, I have a parellel zip drive installed on my system. It is (strangly) listed as both /mnt/zip and /mnt/zip2 which I don't understand. Once I enabled supermount, I created a zip icon on kde desktop. Then I (think I) successfully formated a zip disk with reiserfs. Next I created directory /BOWLING on it (/mnt/zip/BOWLING). Then I copied the files from /home/melissa/BOWLIING to /mnt/zip/BOWLING. I did this because I am getting ready to reinstall Linux and my wife needs these files saved for the new installation. I checked the directory /mnt/zip/BOWLING and the files are listed. But then I try to load the file and it comes in just fine in kspread, but the light on the zip drive stays unlit and the access happens _way_ too fast. I believe these files are still being loaded from the hard drive (/home/melissa/BOWLING). I know I will need to study hard and practice to be considered a newbie , but I thought copying files was fairly simple. I believe I used the mkdir command to create /mnt/zip/BOWLING, and I think I used KDE's "filemanager as superuser"(?) file manager. Would someone please set me straight so I can reinstall today (and then try installing the nVidia 1541 drivers because I got _them_ to work once about three weeks ago (probbably Mandrake Installation #13) and really miss 3d. Thanks, Wes G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mesa: Missing These Files?
Hello, I may have figured out which files were removed from my system. I searched for mesa in my software (package?) manager. It had "?"'s by all the files in the files tab. I clicked on the "?" mini-tab and it changed some to checkmarks, and some to X's. I assume the X's mean it couldn't find those files. Maybe those are the ones I accidentally removed. They are: /usr/x11/r6/lib/libGL.so.1.0 /usr/x11/r6/lib/libGL.so.1.2.030402 /usr/x11/r6/lib/libMesaGL.so.1 /usr/x11/r6/lib/libMesaGL.so.1.0 /usr/x11/r6/lib/libMesaGL.so.3 Can I copy these from somewhere on one of my Mandrake Linux 8.1 Powerpack cd's to the /usr/x11/r6/lib/ directory? That _might_ be what's keeping my 3d/gl/gears&other 3d programs from loading? Thanks, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] How to REMOVE GL libs/etc and nVidia 2313/2314?
Hello, I believe I have been asking the wrong questions. I think I need to remove my gl things and my 2313/2314 GLX/kernels. I am pretty sure I now have the correct commands to install these if I can get back to a "clean" system first. Hopefully one of you guru's can tell me how to do this without reinstalling Linux. I have the i586 linux kernel, single processor. I downloaded 2313/14 source rpms and told it to upgrade instead of install (I hadn't installed any before on this system/linux install). I read on nVidia's site/pdf that upgrading the GLX causes some things to be mistakenly removed. So when I put the line to load the glx module into my xf86config-4 file my nVidia splash screen went away. Without this line I have the splash, but neither way has gl/3d support for me (I screwed up!). I also screwed something up because it gave me this line: Wrote: /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i686/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2313.i686.rpm somewhere along, I must have followed the wrong directions in more ways than one because I haven't tried to recompile my linux kernel with the i686 optimizations, it is just the regularly installed i586 version! Looking to fix this SOON! Thanks for your help and patience, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] I Really Do Like Mandrake!
Hello, I wanted to let you all know that I really _do_ like Mandrake's flavor of Linux. I am trying to find a cheap computer for my father who has terminal cancer and can't get around and do anything like he used to so he will have something to do instead of just staring at the wall. I feel that with 8.1 (the first version I've seen in use) I could install and set up his computer and he would be able to use it in the GUI without actually knowing the console or all the specifics of Linux.. In fact he could probbably perform an expert installation just by paying attention and following along in the Installation and User Guide. I have heard horror stories of people screwing up OS installations, or even deleting/mangling the wrong file before they learned not to. I don't think this need ever happen again with Mandrake. (Root notwithstanding, but with the red screen and warnings that should be safe also.) Yet another reason why Mandrake should allocate some of their budget to advertising the retail desktop market. A desktop on display at running several virtual desktops with different apps/games would sell some OS's! Or even a TV commercial on network TV. Later, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Any nVidia TNT Users?
My apologies, I forgot to sign my last post. -- Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Any nVidia TNT Users?
Hello, I was just wondering if anyone else is using Mandrake Linux 8.1 with an nVidia TNT (16meg if it matters) AGP card. What I'm wondering is if there is any point in installing the later (20- series) drivers. I installed the 1541 [NOTE: On a previous Linux install - NOT CURRENTLY ON MY SYSTEM] drivers and they did work to the extent that I could play TuxRacer, look at Mesa gears/morph/reflect. Silly me was still having lockups, I thought at the time it was the video since it was locking up during graphics. It turned out to be my soundcard, but I didn't know at the time and reinstalled Linux to wipe the 1541 drivers. I am wondering if my card is even able to take advantage of the extra features in the 20- series - as in the 2313/2314 drivers. I know that it supports GL1.3 instead of just 1.2. But I don't know what the difference is. Will that let me run more programs? I would like to stay as current as possible on the graphics specification (the GL part?) for the inevitible time when nVidia drops the TNT's from their Unified Driver Architecture and I can no longer get updates. Looking for someone else with my type of card to discuss this with. Wondering if you noticed any differences (good or bad) when you went to the 2313/2314 drivers. I know some with newer cards have noticed more fps. BTW, I saw people talking about their fps in Mesa Gears(?) how do you tell this? I would like to be optimistic and prepare for the someday when I get 3d again. Thanks, Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nVidia Splash Screen - Yes 3D/OpenGL - No!
On Saturday 29 December 2001 03:09 pm, you wrote: > On Saturday 29 December 2001 01:44 pm, you wrote: > > > > Is this repairable without major surgery? > > > > > > Load "glx" > > > > Well, I forgot to add that line, so I went back and did so. Now it > > doesn't even display the splash screen and it is still a delay with the > > program title on the bar on the bottom of the screen with the busy cursor > > on it and then after a while it is as if I never tried to load the app. > > Well, I don't really like to use their rpms. I suggest the tarballs. Then > if you edited your XF86Config-4 file, you still need to rm or mv > conflicting libraries. There's an old script still around called > nv_check.sh that I like to run after the installation of nvidia's drivers > to remove any conflicts. > > It doesn't change anything, it just tells you what you need to do. > -s Hi, I saved that little program you sent me to my system, but when I tried to run it (from a text "console(?)") but my system apparently didn't recognize it as a program. It couldn't run it for me. What I think I need to do is figure out how to remove all my nVidia and GL stuff as I seem to have mangled it. Then I need to reinstall it fresh. I would very much like to keep Mandrake Linux 8.1 installed, every time I reinstall it sets us back. I assume that package manager might be able to help me, but I don't know. I really don't want to be forever without 3d/GL routines. But if my only option is yet another reinstall of Mandrake... I probbably won't do it. I have had no end of trouble with all of this. I understand a lot (most) of it was my fault, not knowing I had to update my BIOS before my system would stabalize, trying all kinds of different settings to get it to work, finally getting the bios upgraded, then having to work thru my settings over and over, finally getting it to stabalize and let me use my mouse/keyboard/sound Somewhere along this path I was able to log into "Mandrake Expert Installation Support" or "Mandrake Online" or something-or-other. I thought that was great except I seem to have screwed that up because on subsequent reinstalls of Linux I try and it tells me my registration "number" is invalid. I sent a letter to support@mandrakeexpert (whatever it was) and was told to send them my #. About seven reinstalls later it was stable enough to use email again so I sent it to them and never even got a reply. I really like the software, but the whole reason I bought ManLin 8.1 Powerpack from the Mandrake site was for the install/setup support. A month later, I still don't have it. The only support of any kind I have ever gotten is from you kind folks on this list and from a man named Paul Woodward from the UK. I realize in the spirit of Linux I should assume that I won't get anything from the company that I got my distribution from - but Mandrake is apparently a "for-profit" company with stock and such. They advertise on the site (and on the box) installation support. If I had had such a creature I would have been able to use linux this month instead of trying to install/screwing up/trying to install/repeat indefinately. Kind of a dirty way to run a company if you ask me. Tired of pulling my hair out trying to move forward only to fall and slide back down the hill on my a**! Sorry to vent. My question is buried in there somewhere, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KDE Dialogs Too BIG!
Some of my program boxes in KDE are too big. For example in KDE ~ LooknFeel ~ Style, I can only see the top part of the box. I know I can resize it to some extent. I shrank it from the top down as far as it would let me (a good bit) and moved the box back to the top of the screen. It was still too big to see the options at the bottom of the screen or the ok/apply/cancel/help checkboxes. Means I can't change anything that I _can_ see, as I can't apply them. This is at 800*600, my highest resolution. Thanks, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nVidia Splash Screen - Yes 3D/OpenGL - No!
> > Is this repairable without major surgery? I really am tired of > > reinstalling, and it seems stable, just primitive (2d) graphics. I would > > almost deal with it rather than reinstall (again). > > In your XF86Config-4 did you remember to create the entry > Load "glx" in the moudule section as well as removing load "dri' and > "glcore" if they exist. > > >Charles Well, I forgot to add that line, so I went back and did so. Now it doesn't even display the splash screen and it is still a delay with the program title on the bar on the bottom of the screen with the busy cursor on it and then after a while it is as if I never tried to load the app. -- Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] nVidia Splash Screen - Yes 3D/OpenGL - No!
Hi everyone, I think I just screwed up installing my nVidia drivers. I downloaded these two files (they are supposed to be compatible, the newer kernel just fixes an install issue and something else(?)): NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2313.src.rpm NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-2314.src.rpm Then I used the following commands to install them: rpm --rebuild NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2313.src.rpm rpm --rebuild NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-2314.src.rpm rpm -Uvh /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i686/NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-2314.i686.rpm And then I typed one of these (can't remember): rpm -Uvh /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i686/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2313.i686.rpm rpm /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i686/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2313.i686.rpm And then changed the reference of "nv" in xf86config-4 to read "nvidia". I did this from the console (runlevel 3), typed startx and saw the nVidia splash screen followed by the gui. I am not suffering lockups (knock on wood), but when I try to load any 3d/GL app (ie Tux Racer, Chromium, the mesaGears, the morphing thing, etc.) it acts busy for several seconds like it is loading but never starts. No lockup, just acts like I never tried to run the app. Oh No! I reread a few things and it seems that was the process for Upgrading, and I needed to find the process for Install! And I am also concerned, I think my kernel is the i586 one! I am using the automatically installed (Mandrake Linux 8.1 single processor Powerpack) one that I believe to be 2.4.8.26mdk. The worse thing is I could have installed the 1541 drivers because before I was able to use them to access most of these programs, but I was still having hard lockups & I reinstalled. But I got greedy for the most current version (the 20 series supports "GL 1.3" instead of 1.2, I believe). That is about the only feature that I could probbably benefit from, since I have an older card, a Diamond Viper V550 16meg TNT AGP - the oldest chipset supported by their unified driver. I don't even know if there are games/apps for the 1.3 GL. I doubt anything on the powerpack cds depend on it. And I am (obviously ) not ready to download and install my own program/source code yet. I am still working on basic desktop functionallity. Is this repairable without major surgery? I really am tired of reinstalling, and it seems stable, just primitive (2d) graphics. I would almost deal with it rather than reinstall (again). Thanks, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Is This (browser type/function) Available in Linux?
Hi, I just remembered that I saw a program once that allowed you to type a website address (ie, http://gnttype.org for instance) and tell it how many "levels" deep you wanted it to go and it would start downloading complete pages to your hard drive for offline browsing. It would allow the option of specifing what type of files to get (html, graphics & sound, etc.) or not as the case would be and if you wanted links followed how deep to go in them as well. Since I'm stuck with my 33.6 right now I can usually keep up browsing, but I've just discovered that with the multiple desktop option I can have a web browser on one, a set of audio apps in another, my email in a third, a card game in #4, etc. And I thought that would be a good program to take advantage of this feature. Plus (since I have a slow [I know, it's all realitive - we were so amazed when we figured out how to "overdrive" our 300 bps/baud modems to 450!] connection) it would be great to pick a site to download while I'm sleeping/away from home. Thanks much, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)
away as a bugfix. But this is a Linux forum! We should I suppose not even be discussing these things. For that I apologize to the group and will keep silent on non-linux issues. > May God stand between you and harm in all the empty places through which > you must walk. -- ancient Egyptian blessing I like that, can I keep it? Mandatory (Mandrake) Linux content: I've tried (I think) all the .mp3 players in Mandrake (8.1 Powerpack's) /multimedia/sound menu. Are there any others in the Powerpack that aren't on that menu? Or any good ones that I can download and easily install (newbie style)? I hate to admit it, but I really like RealJukebox a lot and would like to find a Linux-based program that is more similar to that than the "Winamp" type. Thanks, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)
> > >> If software were free how could the employees of the software company > > >> be paid to begin with? Lots (most?) non-profit organizations' employees draw salaries. Someone mentioned internet development as an example of "free software" helping us all. I saw the guy that wrote the mailer program that the majority of isps use on TechTV a couple of months back. He didn't seem to mind that his "free software" was being used by millions. Although if he had charged $5-$10 for each copy in existance he would surely be a millionaire. Of course there are probbably other programs that do the same thing for hundreds of dollars. I for one am glad that they aren't the only option, as I live in a small town with dialup only and I can see how we could have been severly restricted in internet isps if everything that was available for free... ...Wasn't > Red Hat has posted small (and growing) profits over the past few quarters. > MandrakeSoft is apparently on target to post a profit next year or in 2003. > Considering that the current economic climate is not conducive to profit > making, these are not trivial feats. I think the key staff know what the > GNU/Linux distribution market is like, and they won't be expecting too much > from their share prices. MandrakeSoft is listed on the Marche Libre > exchange, which was chosen (AFAICT) for its stability and lack of > over-speculation, which is the main problem with the NYSE and OTC (AKA > Nasdaq). Investors here generally tend to be more forgiving and don't > expect quick, unsustainable profits. How can one (in the United States) purchase a token amount of Mandrake shares (just a couple I am afraid) without going to a stock broker? > But, as you have said, "the verdict is still out on that". :) It seems that a lot of the big (for profit) software companies (I'm thinking along the lines of Microsoft and Apple here) are like chiropractors. Their entire existance is based on taking people's money to just get them by until the next visit (verion). If they got it right the first time they would all go out of business. Someone said to me, "You don't buy a new car and expect to get a free upgrade when the next version comes out, do you?" But if I bought a new car and it "stalled" at least once a day and I had to "restart", well, sure I would expect a free upgrade - to a properly working version which is what I would have paid for in the first place. I mean c'mon, why pay a hundred dollars (or more) just to be what amounts to a beta (gamma?) tester?!? Linux, on the other hand, IS free. If I do find a bug, it probbably wouldn't anger me that much to download a newer version. And since the minute you do there are probbably three newer versions out there, it isn't like there is a long wait for bugfixes/upgrades. Microsoft, I hate your OS's (well, I actually LIKED Windows 3.11, and its File Manager (don't like to see my files as icons, y'see) - but I really like your hardware (mice/keyboards are outstanding and cheap if you don't need the absolute newest versions) and games (Flight Simulator, I think I have one of the original DOS versions). It's a shame buying one of their products doesn't give you a voice in the direction of development of their company. Or maybe its just a shame their stockholders (Hmm, Bill?) don't have to use their OS (exclusively). And BTW, WTF is Windows ME for, anyway? Just venting/rambliing, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: [nVidia on Mandrake]
On Thursday 27 December 2001 05:59 pm, you wrote: > I agree. I have an Athlon 1GHz and I've given up trying to use nvidia's > drivers. I too have noticed that there seem to be a lot of problems with > AMD cpus and nvidia drivers. > > Because I have 1152MB RAM I use Mandrake's enterprise kernels. The 1541 > nvidia drivers for 2.4.8-26mdkenterprise (from muo a couple of months > back) work fine with that kernel, however supermount is not supported. > Thus I also have 2.4.16.3mdk-1-1mdkenterprise installed (supermount works) > but have been unsuccessful with any of the nvidia drivers so I'm using > XFree86-3.3.6-23 without 3D accel for this kernel. I have read several references that stated we need to only use a (BEEFY) AMD-approved power supply. Especially with the faster/newer AMDs and video cards as they draw lots of wattage. Also with more ram, bigger/faster spinning drives, extra pci cards. I don't _seem_ to have any ps-related problems, but I only have a cheap 16meg TNT agp card and one pci card (cheap sound) and one isa card (my usr sportster 33.6 voice modem since my 56k pci modem uses Conexant's HCF drivers. They say on their website they will have Linux drivers for it by the end of the year but ...). I assume you've been through the nVidia drivers with a fine-toothed card. I also assume if it is an Abit mobo you have tried turning off AGP to see if that takes care of it. Read a reference that some of their older mobos wouldn't work properly with AGP - that they discovered this while developing their own nVidia-based video cards. Apparently it has something to do with power, as they say there are a handful of power supplies that overcome this problem (somehow). > I've tried 1541, 2313 and 2314 with rpms, source rpms and compiling from > the tarballs to no avail. I also compiled 7 different kernels myself and > tried each driver with each kernel before I realised I was wasting my time. > The strange thing is that with most nvidia driver installs it all worked > just fine and dandy (gears, tuxracer, tuxkart, etc) until I restarted X or > rebooted then I started getting segmentation faults all over the place. Hey. I think I read something about this situation on (possibly) nVidia's linux forum. Could have been Mandrake User forum. It might have something to do with that "depmod a" command, but I don't think so (my memory is faultier than my computer's). > To make matters worse, it appears that my monitor - Philips 107S - causes > problems so I'm using a generic multisync monitor driver. The Philips > drivers that come with LM work but there are errors/problems. I bought my monitor in 1994 - all I can use are the generic drivers. Which brings to mind something I've been wondering about since my first install at the first of the month: Does anyone know the difference between "Generic SVGA" and "Generic Extended SVGA" or whatever it is in the "Generic Monitor" section? > So until I find a kernel that supports supermount and the nvidia drivers > work with it, I'll have to boot between these two kernels. Not that I'm > complaining... ; ) I hope you get it all worked out before you get tired of trying. Another question: My box (Mandrake Linux 8.1 Powerpack) says I have kernels 2.4.8 and 2.2.19. But when I installed (over and over) I never saw a place for choosing kernels. It seems I have 2.4.8.26 installed automatically? > skinky I'll just have to take your word on that one! 8-P Later, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Re: [nVidia on Mandrake]
> 1)Yes you are using the right Kernel. The OS is listed as a 586 because > Mandrake by default loads a 'safe' Pentium/AMD/mmx kernel. You can make > your own kernel with the simple GUI tools built into Mandrake, but This is as I thought... But that would be the first thing I've gotten right in a month of trying. > compiling an AMD Athlon specific kernel has been known to cause problems. I've also been seeing hints that the Athlons (rather the mobos they go in) might not be the best for an install and forget it Linux. > This is NOT a Linux problem. Some motherboard makers skimp here and there As I've noticed myself. I've actually cured a lot of my ills by upgrading the bios on my KA7 to current. > which can cause 'noise' problems. Feel free to experiment, but I would > stick with the default kernel for now. My wife saw that and told me I've done more than enough experimenting on this desktop. She has been waiting since 12/02/01 to actually use Linux. > 2) Your X_Free version is fine. Good. Reassuring. Thanks. > 3) You need to download these files: NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2313.tar.gz AND > NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2313.i386.rpm. You do not need the source file. You can > also download the Mandrake RPM files, but I have found that doing a 'make' > using the above files has worked better for me. What about 2314? It is only avail in source, but has been up for a while now I think. I actually have the following files on my system (some in Linux since I've reinstalled, and some I actually thought to download in Windows partition - they may not be the right ones though) in no particular order: NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2313.i386.rpm NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-2313.mdk81up.i686.rpm NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-2314.src.rpm NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-2314.tar.gz NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2313.src.rpm NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2313.tar.gz > Follow the directions on page 22 of the nVidia instruction PDF to install > the drivers. I think this is where I got so very confused. I have these files in a directory (/home/wes/NVIDIAfiles) but I can move them to another directory if I need to. > Then follow the instructions on the PDF on pages 22-23 to > edit the X-Free config file. I remember (more or less) doing the config editing when I did the 1541 drivers in a previouse Mandrake install (all the installs I've done this month are really running together. Just an aside, I ran Windows 3.1 for 7 years with no reinstall. Lucky I guess. Being to simple to run most virus programs probbably saved my butt there though. > The latest nVidia driver version is 1.0-2313. I haven't tried it yet as I > have been out of town for the past 3 months. It is probably ok. I haven't > heard of any problems with it. I've nosed around on nVidia's Linux (etc) forums, lots of people having lots of trouble with all of them. I guess a lot of the people are like me (ie, most problems are operator error) but still some seem knowledgable. I think some of the settings in the newer versions have to be tweaked for the nicer/newer cards. Plus like you mentioned, AMD & their mobo's have "issues" with this OS. I am getting the idea that that is causing a lot of the nVidia drivers' problems (for people running single or multi AMD cpus that is). Of course _I_ have an AMD cpu (the old model 650 mHz Athlon). I am remaining cautiously optimistic. I've thought about going back to the 1541's but I can't recall how I installed them and some have issues with them as well. I thought I'd try the newer ones first. > Feel free to e-mail me if you have any additional questions. Done and done. I sure hope you don't come to regret "saying" that. But thanks in any case, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 & Lost With No 3d/accelerated gfx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lost My nVidia Install Instructions!
On Wednesday 26 December 2001 04:51 pm, you wrote: > I completely agree on the Desktop issue, they should really begin > advertising towards a lower common denominator. The Geeks and Gurus out > there already know what the options are, and know that Mandrake is up > there w/ the best. If they would start bundleing Star Office or Open > Office as default on the 2nd CD instead of another popular office sweet > (COUGH! KoFFICE COUGH!)things would be much better. Right. It was purely by chance that I found ManLin8.1PwP. The only probs I had with installation were due to flaky hardware (bad settings, rather old bios, me trying to "fix" things that weren't actually broken thinking they would take care of my problems, such like that) and resetting when I insisted on locking the computer by doing the same silly things over and over. The average user probbably wouldn't have any trouble as long as they did the "expert" installation and took their time to read everything. My version came with StarOffice (only 5.2, but it's a start) and Koffice. What is OpenOffice? I've heard about it but really haven't had time to check. A friend of mine in the UK (Paul Woodward) downloaded StarOffice 6.0 for me (I only have 28.8 dialup in a "real" modem) and I think sent me the CD of it. I heard 6.0 is a totally different beast (in a good way). > Guess what... time to recompile the NVIDIA_kernel driver. > > The steps are pretty simple. > rpm -e --nodeps the NVIDIA_kernel. I don't think I have the nvidia_kernel installed yet. This is a FRESH install of ManLin8.1. I did search for & find an uninstalled package of nVidia driver but it is OLD, 1012 or something like that. It remains uninstalled. > Download the NVIDIA_kernel-xxx.src.rpm > Download the System Kernel you want to use, AND it's source. > Install the System Kernel AND its source. Err, you mean the kernel AND the GLX? > rpmbuild --rebuild NVIDIA_kernel-xxx.src.rpm > goto /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i686 and install the new NVIDIA_kernel-xxx.rpm Confuzed. > All should be good from there, however you might want to update both > your NVIDIA_kernel and NVIDIA_GLX to newer versions as well, as 1512 is > 2 (?) versions old? No, I had 1541 on a previous install. I've had to reinstall at least 15 times (more like 20) and those drivers are long gone. I haven't reinstalled ANY of them yet (because I lost the concise step-by-step directions and I'm tired of reinstalling because I got a dot where I meant to have a dash which was actually an underscore). I WANT to install 2314 b/c it seems to have been out for a while. I could probbably go with 2313 and never know the difference, and I suppose I could get by with 1541 (I only have a TNT so I am not all that clear if the newer versions have any more features for me than the older ones. But I assume they might have bugfixes). Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 and more confused every second! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Lost My nVidia Install Instructions!
Hello everyone, I hate doing this, especially a subject that has been discussed so much already. I installed Mandrake Linux 8.1 (Powerpack). Someone was nice enough to send me step-by-step directions for installing the nVidia drivers (the glx file and the kernel?). I sucessfully downloaded the 1541 version and installed them. Then due to lots of other things I had to reinstall (yet again, oh I hope this is the last time for a while!) the OS. Yup, you guessed it, I didn't keep a hard copy of the directions, and of course the email was wiped by the reinstall. I am hoping a good samaritan will "talk" me through this one more (last) time. In return I promise not only to PRINT a copy, but to try to help someone else when they try to install. I would like to install the latest "kernel"(?) which is 2314. I couldn't find a 2314 glx file but I read @ nVidia's site that I can use the 2313 - I think (sorry, working nights means I've been up about 23 hours). Anyhow, I've got every form of the "2313" files that I could find for Mandrake 8.1 (uni-processor). I also got both forms of the "2314" file. I think they are both source files, but one is tar? I was using 1541 and having lockups, but I have determined that they were due to a bad setting in my bios causing my soundcard to lock the system. IOW, it wasn't happening on GL function, but when it tried to play sounds, such as booting into KDE. I seem to have fixed that one, though. I can not only boot KDE with my sound card installed now - I can play .mp3's while browsing with Opera, downloading files, etc. So I hope that I won't encounter any more of the kind of lockups that only a reset switch will cure. That's what finally caused me to reinstall this last (actually most of them) time, one too many resets corrupted my filesystem or simply enough files that I couldn't boot. I've been going through this all month, first with many problems that I couldn't solve no matter what I tried (turned out to need a bios upgrade, which caused Win98 to swear I had no sound/video/modem (oops) but Linux sure seemed to like it. Then video, then the soundcard (after the reinstall). So you can see why I fear that I'll screw it up. I've read several ways to do this on the web, but I am getting more confused the more I read. I think that whichever set of files I choose to use I only need two of them? That is how I did the 1541 set. I know whatever tools I need to manipulate/install them are installed on my system (along with 3+gigs of other things I have yet to fully explore, WOW! Matches my Windows partition exactly for size, and that includes lots of music cd's I've loaded in as mp3s! Someone please help me put my desktop out of its misery (by being able to finally stay out of Win98SE). BTW, are there many users out there like my wife and myself - wanting to use Mandrake 8.1 as a pure desktop box? Comparing the useful software preinstalled on most new computers against my Powerpack install? I may never actually NEED to buy or download another application again (but I will, there are so many out there) if I don't want to. I would like to see Mandrake start a heavy advertising campaign targeting Joe Desktop. Thanks very much, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 252649 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] detecting an internal ISA modem
On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 02:32, David wrote: > Here's how I get my USR ISA Sporster modems to work (I am not > good at command line stuffI just use GUI so bear with me) . The same for me. I'm just starting to learn. > First I disable in the BIOS the Plug and Play (set it to > NO/Disabled)option for your system. -- (This MUST be done in order I think this is a must in general? > Second -- I pull off all the jumpers that are on the ISA modem card > itself...(figured this out through trial and error) Turns out those jumpers for configuring the USR Sportsters make the modem conform to the ISA Plug & Play Standard when we pull them off. > Then I click the Then the and change the > to one of the other settings if dev/modem doesn't work > by default. I try one at a time -- going through the first 8 Mine Is one of the other ones also. I think we should be figuring out how to get /dev/modem to point to it (like the mouse should be /dev/mouse?). Mine missed the "free(*) upgrade to 56k" by one day. 8-((( So its s l o w ! Other than that no problems in 3 os's (Windows 3.1 / 98SE / Mandrake Linux 8.1). Wes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 3D Graphics cards
On Sat, 2001-12-22 at 08:10, Stewart Taylor wrote: > > 'fraid not, I'll be putting into my other machine which is still using a > Diamond Viper 550. > > Stewart > > =_1009026693-11608-1082 > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi Stewart, My computer is "still using" a Diamond Viper 550! I just installed nVidia's 1541 drivers (I am running the kernel that came with my 8.1 PP disto and xFree4.whatever). I am also running Win98SE for some games (not knowledgable enough to run in Linux... yet!). Have you any tips/tricks for this card? Have you noticed any particular version of drivers for either os (from diamond/nVidia/etc.) to work best? Can you repeatedly play TuxRacer (or Chromiam{sp} at all) without hard-locking the system? I'm a total linux newbie running Mandrake 8.1 from the PP boxed edition (from mandrakestore) with "most" non-server apps installed, wow how many os's come with 3+ gigs of "extras"? My "box" is an old (original style?) Athlon 650 (where can I get faster chips in this style?) on an Abit KA7, Diamond V550(nVidia RivaTNT 16 meg), "Ensoniq / Creative Labs PCI sound card which isn't working", 128meg for now, junk 13" monitor (any way to brighten display in Linux?). While I'm thinking about it how useful is upgrading from 128meg to 256 or 384 meg (generic pc133 sdram) in Linux? I'm told this os naturally takes advantage of (ie, uses all of) available memory). Wow, I'm sitting here typing and my hard drive and CD-ROM just spins up! (HMM!!!)??? Thanks, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Sound is Hard Crashing My System (all instances go boom!)
Hi all, Thanks to this list and a friend I met in a newsgroup (Paul Woodward) I've gone from being unable to get my system installed correctly/use the mouse/keyboard/modem/3d video... To having 8.1 Powerpack installed (3.2 or so gigs worth!), mouse is rock-solid, keyboard works fine (although I can't seem to find the command that will allow me to press one of the extra buttons and receive "mapping information" for it on my system!). The modem works just fine (although it is max 31.2kbps). And I just successfully installed nVidia's 1541 drivers for my TNT AGP card! Woo-Hoo! Now I need to find out how to benchmark it to see how I'm doing. I need to know the differences between the 1541, 2313, and 2314 and if I can install any of them with my kernel (2.4.8.26mdk, i586 version {computer is listed as an i686 in info but is an old Athlon 650}) or are they for different kernels or ??? (still VERY newbie I'm afraid) Thank goodness for nVidia's unified driver architecture. Let's me use this card in Win98 (I can play DirectX8 & OpenGL games) and now, apparently I've got OpenGL 3d video in Linux! Splash screen and everything. 8-D Unfortunately, any sound crashes my system hard. IOW, if I've got the aRtssoundserver set to load with KDE it crashes a few notes into startup "freezing" on a note and I can't {ctrl-alt-backspace} or switch consoles or {ctrl-alt-del} or anything - I must hit the reset or power down to get out of it! Needless to say I've gotten familliar with the benefits of the various journalling filesystems in a hurry! Using reiserFS I seem to be able to recover with no harm. I would, of course, rather shut down in the normal fashion or not at all. ;-P I've learned to move files amongst my various partitions, how to create and size them Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Crazy Mouse
> I thought this may be an issue with Intellimouse Optical Mice (Mouses?), > but you mentioned that it happened with your Logitech mouse also. I own an > Intellimouse Explorer which also uses an optical eye. I've seen it display > the same behaviors that you've mentioned (including the one on the > Linux-Mandrake installation screen.) Basically how I'd describe it is that > it looks like someone slides the mouse across the desk as fast as possible, > somehow pressing the right mouse button once for ever 5 pixels moved. > Sometimes the mouse works after that, sometimes the mouse doesn't work at > all after that, sometimes the whole system hangs. Mine also likes to shoot to the lower left corner of the desktop a lot. Ok, this was of no help to me but may help you. Assuming you are using Xfree4.x, look in /etc/x11/xfreeconfig-4 under the mouse area. It is either called "PS/2", "IMPS/2" (Intellimouse?), "ExplorerPS/2" (Intellimouse Explorer?), or "Auto". Mine is screwy as "IMPS/2" but doesn't work at all on the others. Therefore, and since I've stripped my system to just video/mouse/keyboard and it still does this tells me to investigate my bios settings (or an update to the bios) or perhaps a motherboard driver update (are there such things?). Also this didn't help me but it is specific to your mouse so it might be just what you need. Unfortunately I lost the messages, but you can search google groups (from google.com) in the newsgroup "alt.os.linux.mandrake" for the subject "MS Intellimouse Explorer" which told of a couple of specific lines to change/add in XF86Config-4 for this mouse. And I _believe_ it referenced a web site dealing with it. The procedure didn't work for me (not exactly the same mouse, it is one version older and at least one model down on the ladder) but hopefully it can help you. > I have some good news and some bad news about this though. The good news > for us Linux fans is that it's not a Linux or X-Windows problem. I've seen > my mouse display this behavior far worse on Windoze 95 and Windoze 98 SE. Strange. With me both mouse and keyboard perform flawlessly in Win98(se?). But of course that's like getting a beautiful date for the prom... ...who happens to be your sister. > The bad news is that I haven't completely determined what causes this > problem. It doesn't happen very often, but it's very annoying when it does. Is constant in Mandrake Linux for me. > [My apologies to M$ haters for mentioning M$ and their products so much in > this post. It pains me to do so. I received my M$ mice as gifts and ended > up using them for that reason.] Hey, I guess I am among the M$ operating system haters (well, dislikers), but I really like my MS Intellimouse Optical and MS Internet Keyboard, which I got as a package deal on sale at Sam's Club, and it even gets an additional $10 rebate. Computer Shopper rated this mouse well when it came out (& was $54.95!). They just said that the newest Intellimouse (optical, cordless, etc.) was the best mouse out there bar none. BTW, I used to like their Flight Simulator about nine years ago! > 1. At first I thought it was possible that my mouse pad was "confusing" the > optical sensor. Yes I know how silly that sounds, but you have to realize > that this is a M$ product. ;) I changed mousepads. The mouse still acted up > and I determined that my mousepad was not the culprit. I read that glass or really shiny white paper could cause problems. Mine works on about anything including my palm and pants leg. Also, I noticed it works about 1/4 inch off of the surface as well. Neat I suppose. Just wish I could turn off the "taillight" on it but I am becomming used to it. > 2. I then considered that my Intellimouse Explorer was the culprit. I > thought maybe I had received a faulty one or that a wire inside was broken. > Plugging my old Intellimouse (and updating the settings), I found that the > old Intellimouse (the kind with a ball and wheel) displayed the same > behavior. I returned to using the optical one. This lead me to believe that > my optical mouse was no more glitchy than my non-optical mouse. I went through the same steps, only my replacement IS my intellimouse. And I think I'll be keeping it if I can straighten things out. It's nice to have five buttons, one wheel, and no ball. I think the extra buttons on the side might be mappable. I definately read that I can map other functions to the 10 extra keys on the MS Internet keyboard in Mandrake Linux. > 3. I considered that my PS/2 mouse port had issues. I was using Windoze 95 > at the time. I reformatted my hard drive and installed Windoze 98 SE (which > I also received as a gift). Windoze 95 did not have USB support. I plugged > my optical mouse into the USB port and set it up properly. After a period > of time, I found that the mouse di
[newbie] Crazy Mouse
Hello, I have installed Mandrake Linux 8.1 (Powerpack) on my system. I have a problem with my mouse. When I try to move the cursor it goes crazy. It likes to go to the lower left of the screen but it may go anywhere... So fast it almost seems to just "appear" there. Along the way it may open menus, move my "menu bar" from along the bottom of the screen to the left side. (How do I put it back along the bottom - in Gnome desktop?) My mouse is a MS Intellimouse Optical. I am using (well, trying to 8-( ) Xfree86 4.0 so I am looking at xfree86config-4, correct? It said: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" or "/dev/mouse1" or something (I changed it to "/dev/psaux") Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" and the cordmiddle option is "#" so it isn't activated. I have tried various things including reinstalling approximately 15 times now. Nothing changes. I started out with a logitech 2 button mouse and some keyboard. Was going crazy all over the screen. Tried reinstalling. Nope. Got the wife to go get a different mouse. She came home with the intellimouse packaged with the "MS Internet Keyboard." Still the same behavior. Exactly the same. Goes crazy opens menus moved my task bar to the left crazy. At one point I got to the mouse screen where I roll the mouse wheel to activate. I did, it worked for up down push wheel push left button push right button. Movement worked. Ok, complete install still crazy. Two mice two keyboards still crazy. Crazy. Surely I'm not the only one in existance that can't get mouse to stop being crazy. What do I need to do that it can't figure out by itself? Is crazy I say! Must do in Gnome, KDE locks up at screen. Where blinking icon "loading window manager" it stops blinking locked up. That is another problem always in every installation. Will worry about that later, got option #2 Gnome to work. Mouse crazy in login and Gnome. Crazy. Help. Trying to use this "keyboard mouse" emulation is crazy too, will start moving and stop but pointer keeps to edge of screen then I have to remember what way I was moving and hit that key again and then it stops trying to move that way and I can move back. Sometimes different keys act this way. Noticed I was trying to type in my user password and it wasn't working. Went back to input user name to test and sure enough... All my input was in caps, the #'s were in "@#!@%!"! My shift key was "stuck" so I pressed them and retyped user, password fine. Is there a conflict between my mouse and keyboard? Would explain multiple keyboards/mice exhibiting the same problem? According to the colors on the plugs/ports and also the labeling I've got them plugged into the correct ps2 ports. And they work fine in Windows98 (as if that's supposed to be any colsolation ). I have the bios configured for Plug & Play OS "OFF" like the installation guide that came with ML8.1PP said to. Help, Wes Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stuck in Windows where my mouse is a mouse and my keyboard is a keyboard and they both work fine. 8-( Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com