Re: [Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future]
Civileme wrote: > > As you mentioned, it is OT. There are even worse problems on the box, though. >Remember, > those of us who migrated, how you were asked if you wanted the dialer to remember >your > password? Those of you already canny about security said "No" and Windows stored it > (unencrypted) anyway, but simply didn't link to it. > > But we're on Linux here and it takes quite something to get through the security >even when > passwords are known. The "You crack it, you keep it." contest LinuxPPC ran included >as > starting information the root password for their machine. No one broke it, and the >prize is > unclaimed. That machine was also run by an extremely security conscious system administrator. Anyone want to proffer up their machine for the beating that one took? You have to be damn sure of your skills in securing a machine (and the attached network) to taunt the world like that. Thanks but no thanks... -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future]
> Stephan Schutter wrote: > > How do you do Net meeting or equivalent in LINUX? Is there such a > thing? > > Stephan Schutter Turn off the HTML. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future]
TeamWave Workplace is as good or better, without the security problems. Check about NetMeeting at www.insecure.org. Get someone to click on your Info, take over his computer! Also, Teaser/Firecat works and may someday replace ICQ and other messengers because it is a protocol negotiator, eventually choosing the best protocol to connect computers for the demands(text, phone, video feed, etc.). You can find it at www.freshmeat.net There are very few Teaser servers running as yet, though. Civileme Stephan Schutter wrote: > > > How do you do Net meeting or equivalent in LINUX? Is there such a > thing? > > Stephan Schutter > > Tired of waiting for Windows 2000? > STOP WAITING! http://www.ms-windows-2000.com/ > > -Original Message- > From: Caymen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 9:33 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future] > > All I want to know is why doesnt Microsoft keep thier hands out of > stuff that doesnt belong to > them? That makes me mad! Hello?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?, Bill Gates, KEEP YOUR > GRUBBY HANDS OUT OF > EVERYTHING THAT DOESNT SAY MICROSOFT!! Another reason why when I > get my ISP working > through LINUX I will be doing most everything in LINUX and forgetting > about MS. Remember, > Microsoft software is good as long as you dont have to pay money for > it, and sometimes that is > even debatable. > > Tom > As soon as I learn more about LINUX, it is going to go on my computer. > > Michael Scottaline wrote: > > > Anyone catch this story?? Could have been Rick Fry's problemo, no?? > > > about:http://cnnfn.com/1999/08/20/technology/wires/microsoft_wg/ > > > > Mike ;o) > > > > > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com. -- Civileme Say: "He who buys Pentium III had lots of bucks"
Re: [Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future]
As you mentioned, it is OT. There are even worse problems on the box, though. Remember, those of us who migrated, how you were asked if you wanted the dialer to remember your password? Those of you already canny about security said "No" and Windows stored it (unencrypted) anyway, but simply didn't link to it. But we're on Linux here and it takes quite something to get through the security even when passwords are known. The "You crack it, you keep it." contest LinuxPPC ran included as starting information the root password for their machine. No one broke it, and the prize is unclaimed. Civileme Michael Scottaline wrote: > Anyone catch this story?? Could have been Rick Fry's problemo, no?? > about:http://cnnfn.com/1999/08/20/technology/wires/microsoft_wg/ > > Mike ;o) > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com. -- Civileme Say: "He who buys Pentium III had lots of bucks"
RE: [Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future]
I guess it is possible. Another reason to add to my arsenal of excuses to continue migrating all my work at home from Windows to Linux. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael > Scottaline > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 6:34 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future] > > > Anyone catch this story?? Could have been Rick Fry's problemo, no?? > about:http://cnnfn.com/1999/08/20/technology/wires/microsoft_wg/ > > Mike ;o) > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com. >
RE: [Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future]
Title: RE: [Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future] How do you do Net meeting or equivalent in LINUX? Is there such a thing? Stephan Schutter Tired of waiting for Windows 2000? STOP WAITING! http://www.ms-windows-2000.com/ -Original Message- From: Caymen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 9:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future] All I want to know is why doesnt Microsoft keep thier hands out of stuff that doesnt belong to them? That makes me mad! Hello?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?, Bill Gates, KEEP YOUR GRUBBY HANDS OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT DOESNT SAY MICROSOFT!! Another reason why when I get my ISP working through LINUX I will be doing most everything in LINUX and forgetting about MS. Remember, Microsoft software is good as long as you dont have to pay money for it, and sometimes that is even debatable. Tom As soon as I learn more about LINUX, it is going to go on my computer. Michael Scottaline wrote: > Anyone catch this story?? Could have been Rick Fry's problemo, no?? > about:http://cnnfn.com/1999/08/20/technology/wires/microsoft_wg/ > > Mike ;o) > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future]
All I want to know is why doesnt Microsoft keep thier hands out of stuff that doesnt belong to them? That makes me mad! Hello?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?, Bill Gates, KEEP YOUR GRUBBY HANDS OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT DOESNT SAY MICROSOFT!! Another reason why when I get my ISP working through LINUX I will be doing most everything in LINUX and forgetting about MS. Remember, Microsoft software is good as long as you dont have to pay money for it, and sometimes that is even debatable. Tom As soon as I learn more about LINUX, it is going to go on my computer. Michael Scottaline wrote: > Anyone catch this story?? Could have been Rick Fry's problemo, no?? > about:http://cnnfn.com/1999/08/20/technology/wires/microsoft_wg/ > > Mike ;o) > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future]
Anyone catch this story?? Could have been Rick Fry's problemo, no?? about:http://cnnfn.com/1999/08/20/technology/wires/microsoft_wg/ Mike ;o) Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Ken Wilson translated thoughts to electricity: > Just a thought for all the good people at Mandrake and the > good people on this list. It might be in order to deny > access to this list to any accounts from any of the > anonymous mail services. I would have to disagree. I for one, was in the unconfortable position of having internet access from my company, but I wasnt given a private mailbox. So I was using a free pop3 service (nettaxi) until a couple of weeks ago. That of course has nothing to do with me wanting to hide behind a free provider's address. > I have seen these seen far too much abuse of these services > by spammers and other morons (not pointing my finger directly > at Rick Fry, who am I kidding, yes I am). I feel if the > interest in this list is genuine there is no need to hide > behind the curtain of an anonymous service and it would > free up the list from this kind of moronic abuse. I would suggest a "three strikes, youre out" approach. Its popular in some "family restaurants" here in Mexico city: If someone starts using "questionable language" or wants to start a fight, one of the waiters comes to him and advises him to "not to disturb the peace"... If it happens a second time, a 2 meter gorilla approaches the gentleman reminding him of the rules. If it happens the third time, well... youre out... I would suggest that we use the same strategy with flamers and trolls here. -- ___ Jose Alberto Abreu Executive Editor Plan B Mystical Enterprises ___ The Universe is composed of: 1.- protons 2.- electrons 3.- neutrons 4.- morons ___
RE: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future
I can fake email addresses, too. When I used to write messages in the adult
newsgroups, I was [EMAIL PROTECTED] That doesn't mean the
domain actually exists. I don't care what the header said, this Rick Fry at
hotmail.com did NOT write that.
Original Message Follows
Rick Fry wrote:
I did NOT write that. As I said in a previous post, I don't resort
to writing these types of messages. I gave up on that years ago when I
realized that there are more effective ways to get a point across. And I
resent the implication that I'm a moron. I'm only 56 years old and haven't
yet reached that plateau. Looks like somebody needs to learn how to cut and
paste stuff in their respective editors. One more time, RICK FRY DID NOT
WRITE THAT
EXPLETIVE DELETED MESSAGE
It's not a matter of somebody needing "to learn how to cut and paste
stuff...". The following is how the original message that started this looks
to me. Please notice the "From" field. I did not cut a paste this:
-Original Message-
From: Rick Fry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 10:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere
I give up on this stupid fucking so-called operating system!
It's totally F*G USELESS
Windows is FAR superior and you bunch of sad
losers are just wasting your lives.
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Rick
Rick Friedman
Salant Corp. - MIS
800-472-8013 x75105
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The closest thing to heaven on earth is... Yankee Stadium!
-Original Message-
From: Rick Fry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future
I did NOT write that. As I said in a previous post, I don't resort
to
writing these types of messages. I gave up on that years ago when I
realized
that there are more effective ways to get a point across. And I
resent the
implication that I'm a moron. I'm only 56 years old and haven't yet
reached
that plateau. Looks like somebody needs to learn how to cut and
paste stuff
in their respective editors. One more time, RICK FRY DID NOT WRITE
THAT
EXPLETIVE DELETED MESSAGE
Original Message Follows
Just a thought for all the good people at Mandrake and the
good people on this list. It might be in order to deny
access to this list to any accounts from any of the
anonymous mail services.
I have seen these seen far too much abuse of these services
by spammers and other morons (not pointing my finger directly
at Rick Fry, who am I kidding, yes I am). I feel if the
interest in this list is genuine there is no need to hide
behind the curtain of an anonymous service and it would
free up the list from this kind of moronic abuse.
Ken Wilson
Not as small 'l' liberal as I used to be.
___
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
___
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
RE: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future
Rick Fry wrote:
I did NOT write that. As I said in a previous post, I don't resort
to writing these types of messages. I gave up on that years ago when I
realized that there are more effective ways to get a point across. And I
resent the implication that I'm a moron. I'm only 56 years old and haven't
yet reached that plateau. Looks like somebody needs to learn how to cut and
paste stuff in their respective editors. One more time, RICK FRY DID NOT
WRITE THAT
EXPLETIVE DELETED MESSAGE
It's not a matter of somebody needing "to learn how to cut and paste
stuff...". The following is how the original message that started this looks
to me. Please notice the "From" field. I did not cut a paste this:
-Original Message-
From: Rick Fry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 10:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: [newbie] Not getting anywhere
I give up on this stupid fucking so-called operating system!
It's totally F*G USELESS
Windows is FAR superior and you bunch of sad
losers are just wasting your lives.
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Rick
Rick Friedman
Salant Corp. - MIS
800-472-8013 x75105
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The closest thing to heaven on earth is... Yankee Stadium!
-Original Message-
From: Rick Fry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future
I did NOT write that. As I said in a previous post, I don't resort
to
writing these types of messages. I gave up on that years ago when I
realized
that there are more effective ways to get a point across. And I
resent the
implication that I'm a moron. I'm only 56 years old and haven't yet
reached
that plateau. Looks like somebody needs to learn how to cut and
paste stuff
in their respective editors. One more time, RICK FRY DID NOT WRITE
THAT
EXPLETIVE DELETED MESSAGE
Original Message Follows
Just a thought for all the good people at Mandrake and the
good people on this list. It might be in order to deny
access to this list to any accounts from any of the
anonymous mail services.
I have seen these seen far too much abuse of these services
by spammers and other morons (not pointing my finger directly
at Rick Fry, who am I kidding, yes I am). I feel if the
interest in this list is genuine there is no need to hide
behind the curtain of an anonymous service and it would
free up the list from this kind of moronic abuse.
Ken Wilson
Not as small 'l' liberal as I used to be.
___
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: [newbie] OT:Trolls - Past, Present and Future
Errrk! U, where do we draw the imaginary line? I own a domain, civileme.com which is at present not residing on a host but merely forwarded. At one time, I had it forwarded to usa.net, and I sentr my mail out from that address. Then there is yi.org, the poor man's self-hosting aid. I have a mailserver running through that because the difference between a dialup 56K and a digital 56K connection with a static IP address here is $6,000 per year and the taxpayers don't need the extra burden. So would you block messages from farmhooligans.yi.org or nwarctic.yi.org just because anyone can get a yi.org address and send their current IP to yi.org and have the MX and CNAME and even nameservice forwarded? I will be putting 15 users on linux in less than 40 days. They may be approaching this list for help. Their addresses will be hotmail or yahoo or excite or usa.net or possibly nwarctic.yi.org. Are we to exclude them because they do not have a better address? I'm not trying to argue, just pointing out that this is something list owners have to wrestle with all the time. Exclusionary rules are two-edged swords. Case-by-case, such as unsubbing troll turkeys doesn't do much good, either, because they can come back, thrrough AOL or another mailservice or by one of the anonymous remailers out there. Shoot, man. I'm just glad this troll doesn't know how to send HELO to mailservers and discover a few anonymous SMTPs to relay to the list then send a BUNCH of things to the list, slamming us with subscriptions and confirmations then blasting away, using his dummy accounts as the reply-tos and the list as sender so the bounced mail comes back to us and... Well, this isn't supposed to be a course in mail-bombing. Anyway, their setup on majordomo would probably prevent that stratagem. Take care, Civileme Ken Wilson wrote: Just a thought for all the good people at Mandrake and the good people on this list. It might be in order to deny access to this list to any accounts from any of the anonymous mail services. I have seen these seen far too much abuse of these services by spammers and other morons (not pointing my finger directly at Rick Fry, who am I kidding, yes I am). I feel if the interest in this list is genuine there is no need to hide behind the curtain of an anonymous service and it would free up the list from this kind of moronic abuse. Ken Wilson Not as small 'l' liberal as I used to be. -- visit http://homepages.msn.com/invalid_url Is Microsoft afraid to pay itself license fees for IIS? Sure looks like an Apache (open-source) Signature to me
