Re: [newbie] Browser Encoding

[Avi Schwartz]

OOzy Pal wrote:
Kaj,
The language is Arabic. The reason I am using utf-8 is
because google.com does that. I usualy try to look at
other guru's code and learn from it.
 

Check out some other Arabic written web sites.  I just took a look at 
http://www.ahram.org.eg/ and the code uses


The web page and font look good both in Linux and Mac OS X.  I don't 
have a Windows machine to test this though.

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Re: [newbie] Browser Encoding

[OOzy Pal]

Kaj,

The language is Arabic. The reason I am using utf-8 is
because google.com does that. I usualy try to look at
other guru's code and learn from it.

Thank you
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> On Tuesday 04 January 2005 18:24, OOzy Pal wrote:
> 
> 
> > I can not write my complete site in ASCII as "
> > etc. The site is not in english.
> >
> > Can any one help
> 
> 
> What language then ? -  My guess is that one of the
> iso-8859-x will 
> cover it.
> 
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Re: [newbie] Browser Encoding

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Tuesday 04 January 2005 18:24, OOzy Pal wrote:


> I can not write my complete site in ASCII as "
> etc. The site is not in english.
>
> Can any one help


What language then ? -  My guess is that one of the iso-8859-x will 
cover it.

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Re: [newbie] Browser Encoding

[OOzy Pal]

--- Kaj Haulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Monday 03 January 2005 19:38, OOzy Pal wrote:
> > Dears,
> >
> > I am using UTF-8 Encoding. My site chars looks
> good
> > and nice on Linux (Firefox) but it looks ugly and
> > unreadable on Windows browsers (Firefox for win
> and
> > IE6)
> > Can anyone help?
> 
> Why use UTF-8, iso-85xx, windows charsets etc.. in
> html documents ?
> 
> You can bypass all that crap, including national
> special characters, 
> by using plain ASCII.  For every thinkable, special
> character there 
> is an escape-sequence.  For example, the Danish *ø*
> (can you read 
> that ?) will be readable in every browser in every
> country by 
> encoding it as : *ø*.  A quotation mark is
> *"* and so 
> on and so forth.
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I can not write my complete site in ASCII as "
etc. The site is not in english. 

Can any one help

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Re: [newbie] Browser Encoding

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Monday 03 January 2005 19:38, OOzy Pal wrote:
> Dears,
>
> I am using UTF-8 Encoding. My site chars looks good
> and nice on Linux (Firefox) but it looks ugly and
> unreadable on Windows browsers (Firefox for win and
> IE6)
> Can anyone help?

Why use UTF-8, iso-85xx, windows charsets etc.. in html documents ?

You can bypass all that crap, including national special characters, 
by using plain ASCII.  For every thinkable, special character there 
is an escape-sequence.  For example, the Danish *ø* (can you read 
that ?) will be readable in every browser in every country by 
encoding it as : *ø*.  A quotation mark is *"* and so 
on and so forth.

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Re: [newbie] browser identification

[Pat Patterson]

On Monday 08 Nov 2004 17:33, M.Schild wrote:
> > I would be sorely tempted to change banks,
> > but then.
>
> mine gives me no trouble
> Maryse

A few days ago I was downloading Opera and in the things fixed page 
they mentioned the ability to connect to banks. Do not remember if 
this was Linux or windows version or if it was fixed or going to be 
fixed.

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Re: [newbie] browser identification

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On Monday 08 Nov 2004 17:33, M.Schild wrote:
> > I would be sorely tempted to change banks,
> > but then.
>
> mine gives me no trouble
> Maryse

Fortunately, neither does mine

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Re: [newbie] browser identification

[M.Schild]

> I would be sorely tempted to change banks,
> but then.


mine gives me no trouble
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Re: [newbie] browser identification

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 08 Nov 2004 17:02, M.Schild wrote:
> > I haven't installed that, so I have to guess, but that's almost certainly
> > where you can put something to make it look as though you are running IE.
> >   There are a few really badly designed sites that simply won't let you
> > in if you are running something else, and they mostly read the browser
> > identification.  Some mail apps, like Firefox, allow you to have more
> > than one identification, I understand, and switch between them.  That way
> > you escape the really annoying thing of having to pretend that you are
> > running windows.
>
> That´s more or less what I thouhgt. I shall just avoid sites that want me
> to pretend I use Windows :-)
> thanks
> Matusr

For the main part, I agree with you, but a few sad people have found that 
their banking lines insist on IE.  I would be sorely tempted to change banks, 
but then.

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Re: [newbie] browser identification

[M.Schild]

> I haven't installed that, so I have to guess, but that's almost certainly
> where you can put something to make it look as though you are running IE.  
> There are a few really badly designed sites that simply won't let you in if
> you are running something else, and they mostly read the browser
> identification.  Some mail apps, like Firefox, allow you to have more than
> one identification, I understand, and switch between them.  That way you
> escape the really annoying thing of having to pretend that you are running
> windows.


That´s more or less what I thouhgt. I shall just avoid sites that want me to 
pretend I use Windows :-)
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Re: [newbie] browser identification

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 08 Nov 2004 15:15, M.Schild wrote:
> hello,
> I have installed the kdeaddons. I am puzzled by the browser identification
> in Konq ´tools´. What is its´ use?
> Maryse

I haven't installed that, so I have to guess, but that's almost certainly 
where you can put something to make it look as though you are running IE.  
There are a few really badly designed sites that simply won't let you in if 
you are running something else, and they mostly read the browser 
identification.  Some mail apps, like Firefox, allow you to have more than 
one identification, I understand, and switch between them.  That way you 
escape the really annoying thing of having to pretend that you are running 
windows.

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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Brant Fitzsimmons]

Ronald J. Hall wrote:

On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:09 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote:
 

I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there a
OpenSource  alternative with this feature?
I put the office on Mozilla getting ready for the big mdk day 'cause
it'll look the same Monday morning as it did on Win2K Friday
afternoon.
But...I'm going to have trouble withdrawing from the mouse
gesture addiction personnaly.
Lee
   

Never tried it, but there is a plugin for Mozilla thats supposed to add this.

Can't remember the name of it though, sorry!

http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/

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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Miark]

Nevermind--I found them on the Extensions web page.

Miark



On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:14:50 -0400, Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Where?
> 
> Miark
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:10:23 -0500, Curt Tresenriter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > |I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there a
> > |OpenSource  alternative with this feature?
> > 
> > Firebird has them too
> 
> 

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Re: [newbie] Browser

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On M
Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

|Where?
|
|Miark
|
|http://www.texturizer.net/firebird/extensions.html



|On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:10:23 -0500, Curt Tresenriter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
|> |I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there a
|> |OpenSource  alternative with this feature?
|> 
|> Firebird has them too
|
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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Brant Fitzsimmons]

Lee Wiggers wrote:

I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there a
OpenSource  alternative with this feature?
I put the office on Mozilla getting ready for the big mdk day 'cause
it'll look the same Monday morning as it did on Win2K Friday
afternoon.
But...I'm going to have trouble withdrawing from the mouse
gesture addiction personnaly.
Lee

http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/

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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Miark]

Where?

Miark



On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:10:23 -0500, Curt Tresenriter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> |I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there a
> |OpenSource  alternative with this feature?
> 
> Firebird has them too

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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Miark]

Wow! I never heard of them before your message. I just took
at look at how they're implemented in Opera here:

http://www.opera.com/features/mouse/

and I have to say that's _awesome_! No wonder you're an addict!

Miark




On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:09:09 -0400, Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there a
> OpenSource  alternative with this feature?
> 
> I put the office on Mozilla getting ready for the big mdk day 'cause
> it'll look the same Monday morning as it did on Win2K Friday
> afternoon.
> 
> But...I'm going to have trouble withdrawing from the mouse
> gesture addiction personnaly.
> 
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Re: [newbie] Browser

[HaywireMac]

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:10:24 +0800
Franki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> What are mouse gestures?

You move back and forward in your browser window by moving your mouse
left and right...kinda gimmicky.

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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Brant Fitzsimmons]

Franki wrote:

Ronald J. Hall wrote:

On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:09 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote:
 

I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there a
OpenSource  alternative with this feature?
I put the office on Mozilla getting ready for the big mdk day 'cause
it'll look the same Monday morning as it did on Win2K Friday
afternoon.
But...I'm going to have trouble withdrawing from the mouse
gesture addiction personnaly.
Lee
  


Never tried it, but there is a plugin for Mozilla thats supposed to 
add this.

Can't remember the name of it though, sorry!

 

Franki:

What are mouse gestures?


http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/

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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Franki]

Ronald J. Hall wrote:

On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:09 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote:
 

I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there a
OpenSource  alternative with this feature?
I put the office on Mozilla getting ready for the big mdk day 'cause
it'll look the same Monday morning as it did on Win2K Friday
afternoon.
But...I'm going to have trouble withdrawing from the mouse
gesture addiction personnaly.
Lee
   

Never tried it, but there is a plugin for Mozilla thats supposed to add this.

Can't remember the name of it though, sorry!

 

Franki:

What are mouse gestures?





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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:09 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote:
> I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there a
> OpenSource  alternative with this feature?
>
> I put the office on Mozilla getting ready for the big mdk day 'cause
> it'll look the same Monday morning as it did on Win2K Friday
> afternoon.
>
> But...I'm going to have trouble withdrawing from the mouse
> gesture addiction personnaly.
>
> Lee

Never tried it, but there is a plugin for Mozilla thats supposed to add this.

Can't remember the name of it though, sorry!

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Re: [newbie] Browser

[HaywireMac]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:09:09 -0400
Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there a
> OpenSource  alternative with this feature?
> 
> I put the office on Mozilla getting ready for the big mdk day 'cause
> it'll look the same Monday morning as it did on Win2K Friday
> afternoon.
> 
> But...I'm going to have trouble withdrawing from the mouse
> gesture addiction personnaly.

Well, you could switch to a window manager that automatically groups
browser windows, open all new pages in a new window, and use the mouse
wheel to move between pages. There's this one WM called "Pekwm" I've
heard of that does this... ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Lee Wiggers]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:10:23 -0500
Curt Tresenriter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thursday 25 September 2003 11:09 am, Lee Wiggers wrote:
> |I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there
> a|OpenSource  alternative with this feature?
> 
> |Lee
> 
> Firebird has them too
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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Curt Tresenriter]

On Thursday 25 September 2003 11:09 am, Lee Wiggers wrote:
|I'm using Opera because I'm addicted to mouse gestures. Is there a
|OpenSource  alternative with this feature?

|Lee

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Re: [newbie] browser save all

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El Vie 05 Sep 2003 18:20, Anarky escribió:
>the only cool thing that I was able to do with MS Internet Explorer
> but I have not been able to do with any other (free) browser is save a
> web page as a whole in one neat file ... IE had the .mht format ... and
> it was very cool that it was all bundled in one file (html, the pics
> ...) ... isn't there anything like that anywhere else?

If you are running KDE: Konqueror>Tools>Archive Web page. The page will be 
saved as xxx.war 

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Re: [newbie] browser save all

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On Friday 05 September 2003 05:20 pm, Anarky wrote:
>the only cool thing that I was able to do with MS Internet Explorer
> but I have not been able to do with any other (free) browser is save a
> web page as a whole in one neat file ... IE had the .mht format ... and
> it was very cool that it was all bundled in one file (html, the pics
> ...) ... isn't there anything like that anywhere else?

wget will do that from the cli.  There are several other tools for Linux that 
will do it but since it only takes one simple wget command to capture an 
entire site, specifying the number of levels to go, not sure why you would 
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Re: [newbie] browser save all

[Anarky]

kat wrote:

Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 07:20, Anarky wrote:
 

  the only cool thing that I was able to do with MS Internet 
Explorer but I have not been able to do with any other (free) 
browser is save a web page as a whole in one neat file ... IE had 
the .mht format ... and it was very cool that it was all bundled in 
one file (html, the pics ...) ... isn't there anything like that 
anywhere else?
  

You can use an extension for Mozilla Firebird, "Leech," to download 
everything into one directory.

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Re: [newbie] browser save all

[kat]

Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 07:20, Anarky wrote:
 

  the only cool thing that I was able to do with MS Internet Explorer 
but I have not been able to do with any other (free) browser is save a 
web page as a whole in one neat file ... IE had the .mht format ... and 
it was very cool that it was all bundled in one file (html, the pics 
...) ... isn't there anything like that anywhere else?
   

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everything into one directory.

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Re: [newbie] browser save all

[Anarky]

rikona wrote:

Hello Anarky,

Friday, September 5, 2003, 2:20:02 PM, you wrote:

A>the only cool thing that I was able to do with MS Internet Explorer 
A> but I have not been able to do with any other (free) browser is save a 
A> web page as a whole in one neat file ... IE had the .mht format ... and 
A> it was very cool that it was all bundled in one file (html, the pics 
A> ...) ... isn't there anything like that anywhere else?

Opera can 'save with images' - not all in one file, but everything
seems to be there.
 

other browsers I've tried also can save with images .. but not in a neat 
bundle (anyway I'm shying away from any Opera solutions as I don't want 
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Re: [newbie] browser save all

[rikona]

Hello Anarky,

Friday, September 5, 2003, 2:20:02 PM, you wrote:

A>the only cool thing that I was able to do with MS Internet Explorer 
A> but I have not been able to do with any other (free) browser is save a 
A> web page as a whole in one neat file ... IE had the .mht format ... and 
A> it was very cool that it was all bundled in one file (html, the pics 
A> ...) ... isn't there anything like that anywhere else?

Opera can 'save with images' - not all in one file, but everything
seems to be there.

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Re: [newbie] browser save all

[Kaj Haulrich]

On Friday 05 September 2003 09:20 pm, Anarky wrote:
>the only cool thing that I was able to do with MS Internet
> Explorer but I have not been able to do with any other (free)
> browser is save a web page as a whole in one neat file ... IE
> had the .mht format ... and it was very cool that it was all
> bundled in one file (html, the pics ...) ... isn't there
> anything like that anywhere else?

Opera.

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Re: [newbie] browser save all

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 07:20, Anarky wrote:
>the only cool thing that I was able to do with MS Internet Explorer 
> but I have not been able to do with any other (free) browser is save a 
> web page as a whole in one neat file ... IE had the .mht format ... and 
> it was very cool that it was all bundled in one file (html, the pics 
> ...) ... isn't there anything like that anywhere else?

Um - that was never a "first" for Microsoft, mate. Mozaic was able to do
that many years ago.

Most other browsers will do exactly the same thing, but instead of
creating a proprietary "file type archive" - they save the main page,
then create a subdirectory that then contains all the images and other
bits'n'bobs of the page...which makes it easier to access and modify to
suit.

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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 04 Jul 2002 5:55 pm, you wrote:
> On Thursday 04 July 2002 02:27 am, Anne Wilson did speak unto the huddled
>
> masses, saying:
> > I guess so - but since I'm in Linux most of the time now it really isn't
> > an issue.  Mozilla and Konq both can access, so what the hell?
>
> mozilla works but netscape is "insecure"?  they are truely clueless..

It's OK - they're only a bank to which thousands of us trust our money and 
future...

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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Jure Repinc]

Bill Davidson wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:10:13 +0100
> Insecure? Have they read ANYTHING about IE. Besides you can save
> passwords with IE just like any browser.
> 
> Bill

Oh man, they are pathetic. Mozilla is much more secure then any version 
of IE. And if they don't know You can set Mozilla to encrypt all 
passwords that are saved. So it would be very hard to get passwords even 
if someone tried it on your own machine. Oh yeah and not to say that IE 
also can save passwords and I don't trust it one bit. And so much 
security problems with IE. Damn they should ban IE users :)

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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

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On Thursday 04 July 2002 02:27 am, Anne Wilson did speak unto the huddled 
masses, saying:

> I guess so - but since I'm in Linux most of the time now it really isn't
> an issue.  Mozilla and Konq both can access, so what the hell?

mozilla works but netscape is "insecure"?  they are truely clueless..

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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 6:40 pm, you wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:10:13 +0100
>
> Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On similar lines, though Windows based, I complained to HSBC bank that
> > I was unable to access the on-line bank whilst using Netscape 6.2.  I
> > was told that it was not and would not be supported as it was
> > inherently insecure i.e. could save login/passwords.
> >
> > I guess I should have pointed out to them that I could just as easily
> > do that from any number of my linux browsers, if I were stupid enough
> > to do so, but I didn't.  I regret that now, although they would
> > probably have just seen that as an excuse to block out linux browsers
> > as well.
> >
> > You could just as well say that I can't have a PIN nu,mber, because I
> > might write it down.  How stupid can you get?
>
> Insecure? Have they read ANYTHING about IE. Besides you can save
> passwords with IE just like any browser.
>
> Bill

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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 6:03 pm, you wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 July 2002 12:10 pm, you wrote:
> > On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 9:35 am, you wrote:
> > > Michael Adams wrote:
> > > >I tried to visit this site.
> > > >http://www.bet365.com
> > > >
> > > >The result upset me so much i sent them this.
> > >
> > > (Justifiable complaint snipped)
> > >
> > > >---
> > > >
> > > >I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something.
> > >
> > > I've fired off a few e-mails along similar lines myself in the last
> > > week or so.  I've got conciliatory though ultimately unhelpful replies
> > > - generally along the lines of the use of Windows Media Player being
> > > due to circumstances beyond their control. (This was particularly
> > > galling with the live coverage from Glastonbury - I had really wanted
> > > to see the White Stripes). One of the more knowledgeable respondents
> > > suggested I get the CrossOver plugin.
> > >
> > > I think we should all complain every time we are shut out of a site or
> > > other resource due to exercising our right to choose non-MS software.
> > > Eventually they might conclude that it's easier to provide platform
> > > independent content than to keep having to answer (if answers they can
> > > be called) the complaints.
> >
> > On similar lines, though Windows based, I complained to HSBC bank that I
> > was unable to access the on-line bank whilst using Netscape 6.2.  I was
> > told that it was not and would not be supported as it was inherently
> > insecure i.e. could save login/passwords.
> >
> > I guess I should have pointed out to them that I could just as easily do
> > that from any number of my linux browsers, if I were stupid enough to do
> > so, but I didn't.  I regret that now, although they would probably have
> > just seen that as an excuse to block out linux browsers as well.
> >
> > You could just as well say that I can't have a PIN nu,mber, because I
> > might write it down.  How stupid can you get?
> >
> > Anne
>
> have you tried it with the browser reporting that it is ie4+? if they are
> going to tell me I cann't come in without the right key, and the only thing
> that makes it the "right key" is me telling them it's the "right key" then
> if I want in still, I will tell them; "heck yea, it's the "right" key, and
> it fits and i have been using this key for x number of months"

I guess so - but since I'm in Linux most of the time now it really isn't an 
issue.  Mozilla and Konq both can access, so what the hell?

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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[robin]

Contacting offending websites is a good idea.  I can normally only be 
bothered to do it with sites I visit regularly, or ones I'm related to 
in some way (e.g. departments at my university).  If you can spare the 
time, it's very good to explain what it is in the site that is causing 
the problem (this is not always a Linux/w3c issue - it might be related 
to general web design problems, such as setting an absolute font size 
which comes out as gigantic or microscopic at the "wrong" resolution). 
For example, in the days when I didn't have Flash installed, some bad 
javascript would cause the "Download Flash" popup to open in over ten 
boxes - I wrote to one offending site and it was fixed within the hour.

Similarly, when I started out on the web (well before my Linux days) I 
made the mistake of thinking I could use MS Word's "Save as HTML" 
feature.  A few polite emails started me on the long road to Linux ...

Sir Robin

Josef Lowder wrote:

> The protest message I send to "offending" websites: 
> 
> 
> Do you realize that limitations you have built into your website 
> cut off more than half the world from being able to access your website? 
> 
> How savvy is that? 
> 
> Why in the world would you design your website to require visitors 
> to use any one type of browser (and/or specific add-on functions like 
> flash) when more than half of the computer users in the world cannot 
> access your website as a consequence? 
> --
> 
> Furthermore, when they require a bunch of personal info that I do not 
> want to provide, I just put "X's" in each field and for an email address: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> ;)) 
> 
> 
> 
>>On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 9:35 am, you wrote:
>>
>>>Michael Adams wrote:
>>>
I tried to visit this site.
http://www.bet365.com

The result upset me so much i sent them this.

> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Len Lawrence]

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Michael Adams wrote:

> I tried to visit this site.
> http://www.bet365.com
>
> The result upset me so much i sent them this.
> ... snip ...

Good for you.  You can view the site in Opera with the identifier set to
MSIE 5.0 - but don't tell them that!
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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[shane]

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On Wednesday 03 July 2002 04:55 am, Jure Repinc did speak unto the huddled 
masses, saying:

> If you set it to represent itself as IE. If you set it to represent
> itself as Opera, site blocks it.
> Sites like this really stink.

i have always wondered how much of the IE % of use is really other browsers 
pretending.  damn chicken and egg again

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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Josef Lowder]

The protest message I send to "offending" websites: 


Do you realize that limitations you have built into your website 
cut off more than half the world from being able to access your website? 

How savvy is that? 

Why in the world would you design your website to require visitors 
to use any one type of browser (and/or specific add-on functions like 
flash) when more than half of the computer users in the world cannot 
access your website as a consequence? 
--

Furthermore, when they require a bunch of personal info that I do not 
want to provide, I just put "X's" in each field and for an email address: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

;)) 


> On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 9:35 am, you wrote:
> > Michael Adams wrote:
> > >I tried to visit this site.
> > >http://www.bet365.com
> > >
> > >The result upset me so much i sent them this.



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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Alastair Scott]

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On Wednesday 03 July 2002 6:48 pm, Bryan Tyson wrote:

> When attempting to view your site using Konqueror 2.2.1 and Mozilla
> 0.9.4, both Linux web browsers, I was curtly informed that my browser
> is "incompatible." Your site, sir, is what is "incompatible." Stick
> with established standards and real html, not Microsoft proprietary
> "features."

Excellent - even someone who can't string two words together will 
understand that :)

It may well work. Some time ago www.smile.co.uk was a famous 
browser-cracker but (in my Windows days) I and others managed to 
persuade the Co-Operative Bank to make it work with Opera. They did 
better and threw out all the non-standards-compliant plumbing; it now 
works with all three principal Linux browsers whereas, I suspect, it 
once worked with none of them.

(I admit to pressing down on a huge lever; the Co-Op takes great pride 
in being an ethical organisation* and I wrote to the CEO arguing that 
cutting out potential swathes of users through carelessness was both 
unethical and poor business sense!)

Alastair

* http://www.smile.co.uk/images/pdf/ethical_policy.pdf
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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Bryan Tyson]

On Wednesday 03 July 2002 03:38, Michael wrote:

> I tried to visit this site.
> http://www.bet365.com
> The result upset me so much i sent them this.

I sent the letter below, and I encourage everyone on the list to send a 
similar letter. 
-

Subject: Create a Real Web Site Please
From: Bryan S. Tyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

When attempting to view your site using Konqueror 2.2.1 and Mozilla 
0.9.4, both Linux web browsers, I was curtly informed that my browser 
is "incompatible." Your site, sir, is what is "incompatible." Stick 
with established standards and real html, not Microsoft proprietary 
"features."

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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Bill Davidson]

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:10:13 +0100
Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On similar lines, though Windows based, I complained to HSBC bank that
> I was unable to access the on-line bank whilst using Netscape 6.2.  I
> was told that it was not and would not be supported as it was
> inherently insecure i.e. could save login/passwords.
> 
> I guess I should have pointed out to them that I could just as easily
> do that from any number of my linux browsers, if I were stupid enough
> to do so, but I didn't.  I regret that now, although they would
> probably have just seen that as an excuse to block out linux browsers
> as well.
> 
> You could just as well say that I can't have a PIN nu,mber, because I
> might write it down.  How stupid can you get?

Insecure? Have they read ANYTHING about IE. Besides you can save
passwords with IE just like any browser.

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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[et]

On Wednesday 03 July 2002 12:10 pm, you wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 9:35 am, you wrote:
> > Michael Adams wrote:
> > >I tried to visit this site.
> > >http://www.bet365.com
> > >
> > >The result upset me so much i sent them this.
> >
> > (Justifiable complaint snipped)
> >
> > >---
> > >
> > >I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something.
> >
> > I've fired off a few e-mails along similar lines myself in the last week
> > or so.  I've got conciliatory though ultimately unhelpful replies -
> > generally along the lines of the use of Windows Media Player being due
> > to circumstances beyond their control. (This was particularly galling
> > with the live coverage from Glastonbury - I had really wanted to see the
> > White Stripes). One of the more knowledgeable respondents suggested I
> > get the CrossOver plugin.
> >
> > I think we should all complain every time we are shut out of a site or
> > other resource due to exercising our right to choose non-MS software.
> > Eventually they might conclude that it's easier to provide platform
> > independent content than to keep having to answer (if answers they can
> > be called) the complaints.
>
> On similar lines, though Windows based, I complained to HSBC bank that I
> was unable to access the on-line bank whilst using Netscape 6.2.  I was
> told that it was not and would not be supported as it was inherently
> insecure i.e. could save login/passwords.
>
> I guess I should have pointed out to them that I could just as easily do
> that from any number of my linux browsers, if I were stupid enough to do
> so, but I didn't.  I regret that now, although they would probably have
> just seen that as an excuse to block out linux browsers as well.
>
> You could just as well say that I can't have a PIN nu,mber, because I might
> write it down.  How stupid can you get?
>
> Anne
have you tried it with the browser reporting that it is ie4+? if they are 
going to tell me I cann't come in without the right key, and the only thing 
that makes it the "right key" is me telling them it's the "right key" then if 
I want in still, I will tell them; "heck yea, it's the "right" key, and it 
fits and i have been using this key for x number of months"



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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 03 Jul 2002 9:35 am, you wrote:
> Michael Adams wrote:
> >I tried to visit this site.
> >http://www.bet365.com
> >
> >The result upset me so much i sent them this.
>
> (Justifiable complaint snipped)
>
> >---
> >
> >I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something.
>
> I've fired off a few e-mails along similar lines myself in the last week
> or so.  I've got conciliatory though ultimately unhelpful replies -
> generally along the lines of the use of Windows Media Player being due
> to circumstances beyond their control. (This was particularly galling
> with the live coverage from Glastonbury - I had really wanted to see the
> White Stripes). One of the more knowledgeable respondents suggested I
> get the CrossOver plugin.
>
> I think we should all complain every time we are shut out of a site or
> other resource due to exercising our right to choose non-MS software.
> Eventually they might conclude that it's easier to provide platform
> independent content than to keep having to answer (if answers they can
> be called) the complaints.

On similar lines, though Windows based, I complained to HSBC bank that I was 
unable to access the on-line bank whilst using Netscape 6.2.  I was told that 
it was not and would not be supported as it was inherently insecure i.e. 
could save login/passwords.

I guess I should have pointed out to them that I could just as easily do that 
from any number of my linux browsers, if I were stupid enough to do so, but I 
didn't.  I regret that now, although they would probably have just seen that 
as an excuse to block out linux browsers as well.

You could just as well say that I can't have a PIN nu,mber, because I might 
write it down.  How stupid can you get?

Anne



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RE: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[John Bodden]

Although I have to use Windows at work I choose not to use IE and switch
between Opera and Netscape. Web designers who only design for one
browser are very shortsighted. Maybe if he/she gets enough email about
it they will see the error of their ways.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael Adams
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 3:39 AM
To: NEWBIE
Subject: [newbie] Browser compatibility.


I tried to visit this site.
http://www.bet365.com

The result upset me so much i sent them this.

--
Incompatible Browser
 From: Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Dear Sir

I am one of the many people turning to the Virus Free Linux/Unix
alternative 
for my browsing.

Internet Explorer is not written for Linux. Microsofts browser has never
been 
a W3C standard for viewing of web pages. HTML has and i have 5 browsers
on my 
computer that can read HTML, JAVA, JavaScript, CSS, XML and Flash in
most if 
not all of their incarnations.

Making your site available to one browser only is like allowing fords
only on 
the road. You force me to do business elsewhere - thus i will comply and
do 
bussiness elsewhere.

---

I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something.

-- 
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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Alastair Scott]

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On Wednesday 03 July 2002 9:21 am, Michael Adams wrote:

> > I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something.
>
> Whoops :-( I got bounced, so i sent it to the bounce address
> MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

WD for finding this - I've been hoping to ever since I started using 
Linux but had not come across one yet :)

The source contains the dead giveaway:



and the site uses (Microsoft) Internet Information Server.

Evidently a 'Microsoft shop', and it's quite likely 'incompatible 
browser' = 'site done on cheap, thus no testing with other browsers'.

I can view the front page by changing the Konqueror browser 
identification to 'IE 4.01 on Windows 2000' (Tools | Change Browser 
Identification); however, if I go inside Konqueror locks up.

I also love this puffery ('excellent site design' ... for one browser!)

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2001/10/prweb28773.php

Alastair
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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Graham Watkins]

Michael Adams wrote:

>I tried to visit this site.
>http://www.bet365.com
>
>The result upset me so much i sent them this.
>
(Justifiable complaint snipped)


>
>---
>
>I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something.
>
I've fired off a few e-mails along similar lines myself in the last week 
or so.  I've got conciliatory though ultimately unhelpful replies - 
generally along the lines of the use of Windows Media Player being due 
to circumstances beyond their control. (This was particularly galling 
with the live coverage from Glastonbury - I had really wanted to see the 
White Stripes). One of the more knowledgeable respondents suggested I 
get the CrossOver plugin.

I think we should all complain every time we are shut out of a site or 
other resource due to exercising our right to choose non-MS software. 
Eventually they might conclude that it's easier to provide platform 
independent content than to keep having to answer (if answers they can 
be called) the complaints.

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Re: [newbie] Browser compatibility.

[Michael Adams]

On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:38, Michael Adams wrote:
> I tried to visit this site.
> http://www.bet365.com
>
> The result upset me so much i sent them this.
>
> --
> Incompatible Browser
>  From: Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Dear Sir
>
> I am one of the many people turning to the Virus Free Linux/Unix
> alternative for my browsing.
>
> Internet Explorer is not written for Linux. Microsofts browser has never
> been a W3C standard for viewing of web pages. HTML has and i have 5
> browsers on my computer that can read HTML, JAVA, JavaScript, CSS, XML and
> Flash in most if not all of their incarnations.
>
> Making your site available to one browser only is like allowing fords only
> on the road. You force me to do business elsewhere - thus i will comply and
> do bussiness elsewhere.
>
> ---
>
> I am still miffed but i feel better for doing something.

Whoops :-( I got bounced, so i sent it to the bounce address
MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [newbie] Browser testing grounds

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:36, Miark wrote:
> Strange. I just pointed Konqueror at
>
> www.prepaid-phone-cards-gbs.com
>
> and not only are the floating tables not floating, but the
> Mandrake and Apache images at the bottom of the page don't
> appear at all! The Mozilla trio (Mozilla, Galeon, and
> Netscape) have no problem.
>
> I guess if you need a page to test browsers (I'm thinking of
> something Civileme said this week) this is a good one.
>
> Miark

It looks fine to me. I'm using Konqueror from KDE 2.2b1.

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Re: [newbie] Browser testing grounds

[Peter Ruskin]

On Thursday 19 July 2001 22:36, Miark wrote:
> Strange. I just pointed Konqueror at
>
> www.prepaid-phone-cards-gbs.com
>
> and not only are the floating tables not floating, but the
> Mandrake and Apache images at the bottom of the page don't
> appear at all! The Mozilla trio (Mozilla, Galeon, and
> Netscape) have no problem.
>
> I guess if you need a page to test browsers (I'm thinking of
> something Civileme said this week) this is a good one.
>
> Miark
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Re: [newbie] browser based system config

[Jamie Kerwick]

Thats the fella,

cheers

Jamie


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>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:40:21 -0500
>
>https://127.0.0.1:1
>
>Jamie Kerwick escribió:
>
> > I'm back to using Mandrake after a good few months after experimenting, 
>and > can't for the life of me remember how to access the browser based 
>admin > tools, all i can remember is that it started https://
>
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Re: [newbie] browser based system config

[Joan Tur]

https://127.0.0.1:1

Jamie Kerwick escribió:

> I'm back to using Mandrake after a good few months after experimenting, and
> can't for the life of me remember how to access the browser based admin
> tools, all i can remember is that it started https://

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[Fwd: Re: [newbie] Browser Problem]

[eryl]

I screwed this one up didn't I?  I meant Windows Managers, not
Xservers.  Brain in neutral, again.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [newbie] Browser Problem
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:00:27 -0800
From: eryl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

John David Molina wrote:
> 
> El Lunes 12 Febrero 2001 01:45, escribiste:
> > Dear List,
> >
> > Running LM7.2; whenever I use Netscape 4.75 or Konqueror for a few
> > minutes browsing, it _always_ shuts down (or more approriately, the
> > application dies), and I'm returned to the desktop or worst to the login
> > screen.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks
> 
> --
> I have the same problem What's going on? Is it a security issue?
> John David Molina

Can you log back into X with no problem after this happens, or does the
desktop appear and then a crash occur when the system restores the
previous settings?  Does this happen with all the Xservers, or just with
KDE?

Re: [newbie] Browser Problem

[eryl]

John David Molina wrote:
> 
> El Lunes 12 Febrero 2001 01:45, escribiste:
> > Dear List,
> >
> > Running LM7.2; whenever I use Netscape 4.75 or Konqueror for a few
> > minutes browsing, it _always_ shuts down (or more approriately, the
> > application dies), and I'm returned to the desktop or worst to the login
> > screen.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks
> 
> --
> I have the same problem What's going on? Is it a security issue?
> John David Molina

Can you log back into X with no problem after this happens, or does the
desktop appear and then a crash occur when the system restores the
previous settings?  Does this happen with all the Xservers, or just with
KDE?

Re: [newbie] Browser Problem

[John David Molina]

El Lunes 12 Febrero 2001 01:45, escribiste:
> Dear List,
>
> Running LM7.2; whenever I use Netscape 4.75 or Konqueror for a few
> minutes browsing, it _always_ shuts down (or more approriately, the
> application dies), and I'm returned to the desktop or worst to the login
> screen.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks

-- 
I have the same problem What's going on? Is it a security issue?
John David Molina

Re: [newbie] Browser Fonts...

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

When using Netscape, the best things to do (IMHO) are to either use the fonts 
that come with the Mozilla Fonts package (on the Mandrake 7.1 CD) or to use 
Drakfont (or do it manually if you wish) to import your WinDOS TTF (TrueType) 
fonts and use them. I prefer the latter, and I use Arial and Times New Roman 
(both TTF fonts) in all my apps.

BTW, does anyone know if there is anything wrong with what I am doing, like 
higher memory consumption or something? I can't find any problems, but I'm 
asking just in case.


On Mon, 04 Sep 2000, Altoine Barker wrote:
> Here is my preference for my browser fonts;
>
> I use my default encoding: Western (iso-8859)
>
> Variable Width Font: Helvetica (Adobe) Size 14.0
>
> Fixed Width Font: Courier (Adobe) Size 14.0 allow scaling box selected
>
> and I set
>
> "Use my default fonts, overriding document-specified fonts"
>
> This has allowed me to have very satisfactory viewable and very legible
> fonts that I don't have to quint my eyes to read.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Al
>
> Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> don't forget once you've selected what font you want to be presented on
> the page you've also got to tell the browser that you want this font
> displayed in lieu of any other fonts that may be embeded on the page.

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Re: [newbie] Browser Fonts...

[Altoine Barker]

Here is my preference for my browser fonts;

I use my default encoding: Western (iso-8859)

Variable Width Font: Helvetica (Adobe) Size 14.0

Fixed Width Font: Courier (Adobe) Size 14.0 allow scaling box selected

and I set

"Use my default fonts, overriding document-specified fonts"

This has allowed me to have very satisfactory viewable and very legible fonts
that I don't have to quint my eyes to read.

Sincerely,

Al

Mark Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
don't forget once you've selected what font you want to be presented on
the page you've also got to tell the browser that you want this font
displayed in lieu of any other fonts that may be embeded on the page.

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On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Patti Wavinak wrote:

> 
> Robert -- If you are using Netscape (or as some affectionately call it 
> "Nutscrape" ) go to edit ---> preferences > appearance >
fonts. 
> You can then change the font face and/or the font size to what you would
like. 
> I also check the "Use my default fonts, overriding"
> 
> Hope this helps :-)
> 
> Patti
> Registered Linux User #184611
> 
> 
> >> Original Message <<
> 
> On 9/3/00, 8:07:50 AM, Robert Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding

> [newbie] Browser Fonts...:
> 
> 
> > Hi, when i'm surfing on the net all the fonts on web page's are tiny and 
> a
> > horrible font type, i can put up with it but if anybody knows how to 
> change
> > them, i would be grateful, there kinda hard to read on certain pages. 
> Thanks
> > in advance...
> 
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Re: [newbie] Browser Fonts...

[Mark Weaver]

don't forget once you've selected what font you want to be presented on
the page you've also got to tell the browser that you want this font
displayed in lieu of any other fonts that may be embeded on the page.

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On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Patti Wavinak wrote:

> 
> Robert -- If you are using Netscape (or as some affectionately call it 
> "Nutscrape" ) go to edit ---> preferences > appearance > fonts. 
> You can then change the font face and/or the font size to what you would like. 
> I also check the "Use my default fonts, overriding"
> 
> Hope this helps :-)
> 
> Patti
> Registered Linux User #184611
> 
> 
> >> Original Message <<
> 
> On 9/3/00, 8:07:50 AM, Robert Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding 
> [newbie] Browser Fonts...:
> 
> 
> > Hi, when i'm surfing on the net all the fonts on web page's are tiny and 
> a
> > horrible font type, i can put up with it but if anybody knows how to 
> change
> > them, i would be grateful, there kinda hard to read on certain pages. 
> Thanks
> > in advance...
> 
> >   Robert.
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Re: [newbie] Browser Fonts...

[Greg Stewart]

Netscape | Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts:
Variable Width Fonts...Size 16.0
Fixed Width Fonts... Size 14.0




> Hi, when i'm surfing on the net all the fonts on web page's are tiny and a
> horrible font type, i can put up with it but if anybody knows how to
change
> them, i would be grateful, there kinda hard to read on certain pages.
Thanks
> in advance...
>
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Re: [newbie] Browser Fonts...

[Joan Tur]

Robert Griffiths escribió:

> Hi, when i'm surfing on the net all the fonts on web page's are tiny and a
> horrible font type, i can put up with it but if anybody knows how to change
> them, i would be grateful, there kinda hard to read on certain pages. Thanks
> in advance...
>
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Download and install the following:

ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/7.1/Mandrake/RPMS/mozilla-fonts-2310-5mdk.noarch.rpm

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Re: [newbie] Browser Fonts...

[Patti Wavinak]

Robert -- If you are using Netscape (or as some affectionately call it 
"Nutscrape" ) go to edit ---> preferences > appearance > fonts. 
You can then change the font face and/or the font size to what you would like. 
I also check the "Use my default fonts, overriding"

Hope this helps :-)

Patti
Registered Linux User #184611


>> Original Message <<

On 9/3/00, 8:07:50 AM, Robert Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding 
[newbie] Browser Fonts...:


> Hi, when i'm surfing on the net all the fonts on web page's are tiny and 
a
> horrible font type, i can put up with it but if anybody knows how to 
change
> them, i would be grateful, there kinda hard to read on certain pages. 
Thanks
> in advance...

>   Robert.
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Re: [newbie] Browser of Choice

[Anthony Huereca]

You're out of luck then. You can't change the option of what browser opens when
you click a link in KMail. You're just going to have to copy the link and paste
into a Netscape window.


> Thanks for the reply.  I am using KMail.  Will have to look into  the other
> mailer you mentioned. Will do as you suggested with chmod, but your reply begs
> the question.  What do I know about chmod, so it is off to man, chmod land.  See
> you on the other side. :)
> 
> 
> On Sat, 13 May 2000, you wrote:
> > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Bob wrote:
> > 
> > >When I clicka link in Mail Client the KFM file manager opens.  A nice little
> > >browser, just can't access it from my desktop.
> > >
> > >What I would like is to be able to select Netscape as my browser of choice.
> > 
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Re: [newbie] Browser of Choice

[Bob]

Thanks for the reply.  I am using KMail.  Will have to look into  the other
mailer you mentioned. Will do as you suggested with chmod, but your reply begs
the question.  What do I know about chmod, so it is off to man, chmod land.  See
you on the other side. :)


On Sat, 13 May 2000, you wrote:
> On Fri, 12 May 2000, Bob wrote:
> 
> >When I clicka link in Mail Client the KFM file manager opens.  A nice little
> >browser, just can't access it from my desktop.
> >
> >What I would like is to be able to select Netscape as my browser of choice.
> 
> What mail client are you using? Pine? Mutt? Elm? KMail? Balsa? Mahogany?
> 
> 
> If you want to use Netscape Mail and this happens, for me it would
> translate to this:
> 
> open a terminal
> type 'chmod 01777 /var/spool/mail/Bob' (without quotes) and ENTER.
> if that does not do the trick, type:
> 
> su
> 
> chmod 01777 /var/spool/mail/Bob
> exit
> 
> Good luck!
> Paul
> 
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> 
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Re: [newbie] Browser of Choice

[Del Kennedy]

Hi ~

Can I just say, I'm a newbie to Linux and I'm a home-user, not a Sys Admin.

But I think you'll find that if you su to root,  cd to /var/spool/mail/ and type:

   chmod  -R  777   *

Then that should solve the problem. For details of what this is doing, see the man
(or info) pages on chmod.

ttfn,
Del
---

Bob wrote:

> When I clicka link in Mail Client the KFM file manager opens.  A nice little
> browser, just can't access it from my desktop.
>
> What I would like is to be able to select Netscape as my browser of choice.
>
> When I attempt to invoke Netscape's mail the following error message appears:
>
> "Can't move mail unable to write to /var/spool/mail/Bob Permission denied.
>
> It continues:
> For the internal movemail method to work, we must be able to  lock files. On
> many systems, this is best accomplished by making that directory be mode 01777.
> If that is not not possible, then an external setgid/setuid movemail program
> must be used.
>
> All I can say is HUH???
>
> Your advise please

Re: [newbie] browser history files

[flupke]

On Sun, 7 May 2000, Andrew Scotchmer wrote:

> Hi again,
> 
> Can anyone help with this question as I need it for a newspaper article I am 
> writing about the Linux system.  Is there any way root can view the web browsers 
> history content of a particular user or how long a connection has been for?

For the history, it's really simple : each user's history is in his
$HOME/.netscape/history.list file. This file (as ANY other file) is of
course accessible by root.
About the lenght of the connection, could you be more precise, and tell
what exactly you want to know? If you are talking about monitoring each
tcp connection, (ie : watch "which computer is accessing which internet
site"), this can be done with netsat.


> 
> I beleive, and I don't know if you agree, that one area in which Linux can grow
> is with the security it offers to parents who worry over how much time is spent by 
> their children surfing the net and what it is they are viewing.  Of course there are
> programs that stop particular material and sites being viewed, but my experience 
> of them whilst in windows was less than impressive.

Sure! Again, you monitor each connection currently in use with netstat and
you can setup a firewall to precise that "This computer cannot have access
to This site" or "Nobody can access this computer on the ftp port" and
things like that.
The tool to set it up is called "ipchains" and has recently been discussed
on this list.
Err, I won't even tell you my feelings about windows in that matter... :-)
(anyway this is not the place to discuss about it.)


> 
> Therefore with the concern that is being voiced about the internet's content 
> and the lack of control parents have over what their children can view
> (in England anyway and I presume elsewhere) I feel that this is an area that Linux
> can exploit.  By showing parents that if they owned the root account they 
> are free to view the files and actions of their children and even dis-allow 
> permission to the internet if they are on a night out and worried that
> their fifteen year old, or worse, their baby sitter, may be running up a huge bill 
> on the telephone, may be one way to increase the interest and popularity of both
> Linux and the open source movement.

This is true. But at the moment, this kind of monitoring requires usually
a knowledge about TCP/IP and a "rather deep" (but not TOO deep, yet)  
understanding of the OS that most people are not ready to afford. I think
it's just because they are kind of  "afraid" of comuters, and don't want
to spend the time needed to learn how it all works (just my point of
view!!!).
Nevertheless, I'm sure that soon, developpers will create tools to make
all this easier. I'm not in favour of the "to make it work, just
click here, and click here" philosophy (cfr KDE), but I realize that it
could help some people.


> 
> Well sorry it's been so long winded but your comments on my question or on 
> the subject as a whole would be appreciated.
Well, I think that if you are going to write about linux (in a positive
way!! ;-) ) in a magasine or any publication, it's worth the time to read
and answer you.
Keep on spreading the good word!

HTH
Flupke



PS : Maybe you could mention freeBSD, openBSD, and such. Those are other
free unix operating systems, but they require a somewhat deeper knowledge
of computers and networks.


> --  
> Andrew
> Blackburn
> England
> 
>  --Learning at the deep end--

Re: [newbie] Browser

[Rog]

On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:04:56 +0100, you wrote:

>So far as I know the main players are Netscape, Mozilla, and Lynx. So,
>nothing good I'm afraid.

Opera is in the Alpha phase of its development right now; I think its
available at http://www.opera.com

>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Sami A. Kutbi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: 07 April 2000 21:24
>> To: Newbie
>> Subject: [newbie] Browser
>>
>>
>> What Internet browsers can be used with LINUX?
>>
>> Thanks for the help
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Anthony Huereca]

21 differnt Linux browsers: http://www.linux.trix.net/browsers.en.htm
And heres' a few more: http://www.webreview.com/pub/2000/02/04/feature/index4.html

However the main ones are Netscape and Mozilla for graphics, and Lynx for
text-based browsing. 

> What Internet browsers can be used with LINUX?
> 
> Thanks for the help
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Re: [newbie] Browser

[Brent Pathakis]

There's netscape 4.7 and 6.0, and a bunch of others.

A good resource - goto www.cnet.com, at the top click
on linux - theres a message board at the bottom, with
a question "lightweight browsers" -- has a bunch of
'em listed.

--- "Sami A. Kutbi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> What Internet browsers can be used with LINUX?
> 
> Thanks for the help
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [newbie] Browser

[wolfen999]

On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, you wrote:
> What Internet browsers can be used with LINUX?
> 
> Thanks for the help obviously netscape then mozzila there lynx but it's text
based only mozzilla (which is netscape under a diff name ) and opera but your
best bet unfortunatley is netscape there's also net reality which claims to be
a browser but when i tried to open web addy's with it it wouldn't and any links
in it's virtual world opened in netscape 

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RE: [newbie] Browser

[paul haine]

So far as I know the main players are Netscape, Mozilla, and Lynx. So,
nothing good I'm afraid.

> -Original Message-
> From: Sami A. Kutbi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 07 April 2000 21:24
> To: Newbie
> Subject: [newbie] Browser
>
>
> What Internet browsers can be used with LINUX?
>
> Thanks for the help
>
>
>

Re: [newbie] Browser

[Vic]

Well the kfm browser in KDE can be used to a point,
although it does not have java or frames, it is useable
for text and simple graphics. see http://www.kde.org

Netscape for Linux has its ups and downs,
and requires a very fast machine with alot of memory
minimum 64Megabytes, and can crash alot. http://www.netscape.com

Mozilla (an offshoot from Netscape?)
is still a toddler and needs much work but from
what I have experienced is coming right along
and looks like it will be stable someday. http://www.mozilla.org

Opera I dont know much about except that its
still a baby and not really ready for use.

lynx is for text browsing only, when you 
don't care about the graphics and such, if 
you just want to view text information.



On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, Sami A. Kutbi mewed:
> What Internet browsers can be used with LINUX?
> 
> Thanks for the help
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Re: [newbie] browser

[Mike & Tracy Holt]

Give me a few minutes and I'll send the exact address.
Michael Holt
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- Original Message -
From: "Murray Strome" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] browser


> Out of curiosity, where did you find an rpm version of the 128 bit version
of
> Netscape 4.71?  On the Red Hat site, I can find one for 4.71, and the
standard
> regular version of 4.72.  At the Netscape site, I can find the 128 bit
version
> of 4.72, but it is not in rpm format and things do not get carried over
cleanly
> from Communicator 4.6 when using the ns install they suggest.
>
> Murray Strome
>
> Mike & Tracy Holt wrote:
>
> > You don't need the '--force' option, just put the three files in one
> > directory and type 'rpm -Uvh *.rpm' and there won't be a dependency
problem
> > because you're installing all at the same time.
> >
> > *note*  If you install Netscape 128 bit version, it doesn't allow you to
> > install both communicator and navigator, navigator is built into
> > communicator.  You'll need to uninstall the old navigator and just
install
> > the common and communicator packages - confusing?  This may also be the
case
> > with the standard version, I haven't tried (I'm using the 128 bit
version).
> > Try using all three packages first, and if you have a problem
installing,
> > try leaving out the navigator package.
> >
> > Michael Holt
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Rial Juan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 4:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: [newbie] browser
> >
> > >
> > > Oh, please. Never ever give someone the advice to use --force with
rpm. I
> > > totally screwed up my old redhat 5.2 that way, about a year ago.
> > >
> > > Instead, identify and download the package that would satisfy these
> > dependencies
> > > and install it first. Or just put 'em on the same line alltogether lik
e
> > this:
> > > rpm -Uvh netscape-file dependency-file
> > >
> > > On Mar 28 Anthony Huereca wrote:
> > >
> > > > You must download this file:
> >
ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-common-4.72-6.i
> > 386.rpm
> > > >
> > > > and then you can choose either communictor (the full thing,
> > > > browser+email+newsreader):
> >
ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-communicator-4.
> > 72-6.i386.rpm
> > > > or for just the browser:
> > > >
> >
ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-navigator-4.72-
> > 6.i386.rpm
> > > >
> > > > use "rpm -Uvh the_netscape_file" to upgrade.
> > > > Or if that doesnt' work (I think it may give you dependency errors),
try
> > "rpm
> > > > --force -Uvh the_netscape_file"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > which file(s) do I download for the 4.72 update...
> > > > > will it work on Mandrake...seeing as most drake files...
> > > > > are of the i586.rpm  format...
> > > > >
> > > > > steve harris wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Someone asked earlier about browsers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not really anything other than Netscape. Mozilla is getting
better
> > though,
> > > > > > M14 is the latest I think.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This 4.72 Netscape is better on my old machine than the 4.61 and
> > 4.70
> > > > > > "stable" versions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Download the 4.72 stable versions from this ftp site.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The single file versions from the Netscape site itself always
seemed
> > to be
> > > > > > unstable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > fwiw
> > > > > >
> > > > > > steve
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Rial Juan<http://nighty.ulyssis.org>
> > > e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Belgiumtel:(++32) 89/856533
> > > ulyssis system admininstrator   <http://www.ulyssis.org>
> > >
> > > The little critters in nature; they don't know they're ugly.
> > > That's very funny... A fly marying a bumble-bee...
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Sign the petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html
> > > Help bring us more Linux Drivers
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>

Re: [newbie] browser

[Murray Strome]

Out of curiosity, where did you find an rpm version of the 128 bit version of
Netscape 4.71?  On the Red Hat site, I can find one for 4.71, and the standard
regular version of 4.72.  At the Netscape site, I can find the 128 bit version
of 4.72, but it is not in rpm format and things do not get carried over cleanly
from Communicator 4.6 when using the ns install they suggest.

Murray Strome

Mike & Tracy Holt wrote:

> You don't need the '--force' option, just put the three files in one
> directory and type 'rpm -Uvh *.rpm' and there won't be a dependency problem
> because you're installing all at the same time.
>
> *note*  If you install Netscape 128 bit version, it doesn't allow you to
> install both communicator and navigator, navigator is built into
> communicator.  You'll need to uninstall the old navigator and just install
> the common and communicator packages - confusing?  This may also be the case
> with the standard version, I haven't tried (I'm using the 128 bit version).
> Try using all three packages first, and if you have a problem installing,
> try leaving out the navigator package.
>
> Michael Holt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rial Juan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 4:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [newbie] browser
>
> >
> > Oh, please. Never ever give someone the advice to use --force with rpm. I
> > totally screwed up my old redhat 5.2 that way, about a year ago.
> >
> > Instead, identify and download the package that would satisfy these
> dependencies
> > and install it first. Or just put 'em on the same line alltogether like
> this:
> > rpm -Uvh netscape-file dependency-file
> >
> > On Mar 28 Anthony Huereca wrote:
> >
> > > You must download this file:
> ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-common-4.72-6.i
> 386.rpm
> > >
> > > and then you can choose either communictor (the full thing,
> > > browser+email+newsreader):
> ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-communicator-4.
> 72-6.i386.rpm
> > > or for just the browser:
> > >
> ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-navigator-4.72-
> 6.i386.rpm
> > >
> > > use "rpm -Uvh the_netscape_file" to upgrade.
> > > Or if that doesnt' work (I think it may give you dependency errors), try
> "rpm
> > > --force -Uvh the_netscape_file"
> > >
> > >
> > > > which file(s) do I download for the 4.72 update...
> > > > will it work on Mandrake...seeing as most drake files...
> > > > are of the i586.rpm  format...
> > > >
> > > > steve harris wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone asked earlier about browsers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not really anything other than Netscape. Mozilla is getting better
> though,
> > > > > M14 is the latest I think.
> > > > >
> > > > > This 4.72 Netscape is better on my old machine than the 4.61 and
> 4.70
> > > > > "stable" versions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Download the 4.72 stable versions from this ftp site.
> > > > >
> > > > > ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/
> > > > >
> > > > > The single file versions from the Netscape site itself always seemed
> to be
> > > > > unstable.
> > > > >
> > > > > fwiw
> > > > >
> > > > > steve
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Rial Juan<http://nighty.ulyssis.org>
> > e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Belgiumtel:(++32) 89/856533
> > ulyssis system admininstrator   <http://www.ulyssis.org>
> >
> > The little critters in nature; they don't know they're ugly.
> > That's very funny... A fly marying a bumble-bee...
> >
> > 
> >
> > Sign the petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html
> > Help bring us more Linux Drivers
> >

Re: [Re: [newbie] browser]

[Jaguar]

get the Communicator, Common, and Navigator files...also the easiest way I
found to install 4.72 was to uninstall the existing version (that way there
are no version conflicts), don't worry about DIR being empty, and installing
new version.  The DIR not being empty means that all you bookmarks, plugins
are safe.  After this proceedure, my Nutscrape came up without a problem with
my plugin's, and I think my bookmarks also.  You might want to back-up your
bookmark file first though.
HTH
Jaguar

KompuKit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> which file(s) do I download for the 4.72 update...
> will it work on Mandrake...seeing as most drake files...
> are of the i586.rpm  format...
> 
> steve harris wrote:
> > 
> > Someone asked earlier about browsers.
> > 
> > Not really anything other than Netscape. Mozilla is getting better
though,
> > M14 is the latest I think.
> > 
> > This 4.72 Netscape is better on my old machine than the 4.61 and 4.70
> > "stable" versions.
> > 
> > Download the 4.72 stable versions from this ftp site.
> > 
> > ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/
> > 
> > The single file versions from the Netscape site itself always seemed to
be
> > unstable.
> > 
> > fwiw
> > 
> > steve
> > 
> > __
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Re: [newbie] browser

[Mike & Tracy Holt]

You don't need the '--force' option, just put the three files in one
directory and type 'rpm -Uvh *.rpm' and there won't be a dependency problem
because you're installing all at the same time.

*note*  If you install Netscape 128 bit version, it doesn't allow you to
install both communicator and navigator, navigator is built into
communicator.  You'll need to uninstall the old navigator and just install
the common and communicator packages - confusing?  This may also be the case
with the standard version, I haven't tried (I'm using the 128 bit version).
Try using all three packages first, and if you have a problem installing,
try leaving out the navigator package.

Michael Holt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message -
From: "Rial Juan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] browser


>
> Oh, please. Never ever give someone the advice to use --force with rpm. I
> totally screwed up my old redhat 5.2 that way, about a year ago.
>
> Instead, identify and download the package that would satisfy these
dependencies
> and install it first. Or just put 'em on the same line alltogether like
this:
> rpm -Uvh netscape-file dependency-file
>
> On Mar 28 Anthony Huereca wrote:
>
> > You must download this file:
ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-common-4.72-6.i
386.rpm
> >
> > and then you can choose either communictor (the full thing,
> > browser+email+newsreader):
ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-communicator-4.
72-6.i386.rpm
> > or for just the browser:
> >
ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-navigator-4.72-
6.i386.rpm
> >
> > use "rpm -Uvh the_netscape_file" to upgrade.
> > Or if that doesnt' work (I think it may give you dependency errors), try
"rpm
> > --force -Uvh the_netscape_file"
> >
> >
> > > which file(s) do I download for the 4.72 update...
> > > will it work on Mandrake...seeing as most drake files...
> > > are of the i586.rpm  format...
> > >
> > > steve harris wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone asked earlier about browsers.
> > > >
> > > > Not really anything other than Netscape. Mozilla is getting better
though,
> > > > M14 is the latest I think.
> > > >
> > > > This 4.72 Netscape is better on my old machine than the 4.61 and
4.70
> > > > "stable" versions.
> > > >
> > > > Download the 4.72 stable versions from this ftp site.
> > > >
> > > > ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/
> > > >
> > > > The single file versions from the Netscape site itself always seemed
to be
> > > > unstable.
> > > >
> > > > fwiw
> > > >
> > > > steve
> > > >
> >
>
> --
>
> Rial Juan<http://nighty.ulyssis.org>
> e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Belgiumtel:(++32) 89/856533
> ulyssis system admininstrator   <http://www.ulyssis.org>
>
> The little critters in nature; they don't know they're ugly.
> That's very funny... A fly marying a bumble-bee...
>
> 
>
> Sign the petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html
> Help bring us more Linux Drivers
>

Re: [newbie] browser

[Rial Juan]

Oh, please. Never ever give someone the advice to use --force with rpm. I
totally screwed up my old redhat 5.2 that way, about a year ago.

Instead, identify and download the package that would satisfy these dependencies
and install it first. Or just put 'em on the same line alltogether like this:
rpm -Uvh netscape-file dependency-file

On Mar 28 Anthony Huereca wrote:

> You must download this file: 
>ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-common-4.72-6.i386.rpm
> 
> and then you can choose either communictor (the full thing,
> browser+email+newsreader): 
>ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-communicator-4.72-6.i386.rpm
> or for just the browser:
> 
>ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-navigator-4.72-6.i386.rpm
> 
> use "rpm -Uvh the_netscape_file" to upgrade. 
> Or if that doesnt' work (I think it may give you dependency errors), try "rpm
> --force -Uvh the_netscape_file"
> 
> 
> > which file(s) do I download for the 4.72 update...
> > will it work on Mandrake...seeing as most drake files...
> > are of the i586.rpm  format...
> > 
> > steve harris wrote:
> > > 
> > > Someone asked earlier about browsers.
> > > 
> > > Not really anything other than Netscape. Mozilla is getting better though,
> > > M14 is the latest I think.
> > > 
> > > This 4.72 Netscape is better on my old machine than the 4.61 and 4.70
> > > "stable" versions.
> > > 
> > > Download the 4.72 stable versions from this ftp site.
> > > 
> > > ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/
> > > 
> > > The single file versions from the Netscape site itself always seemed to be
> > > unstable.
> > > 
> > > fwiw
> > > 
> > > steve
> > > 
> 

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Re: [newbie] browser

[Alan Shoemaker]

MurrayI don't know about cooker, but I downloaded them from
a crypto mirror site.

http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fcrypto.php3

Alan


Murray Strome wrote:
> 
> OK I give up! I went to the Mandrake Cooker site and could not fine the 4.72 rpms
> -- can you please give us a more specific location?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Murray Strome
> 
> Michael Holt wrote:
> 
> > Just go to the Mandrake Cooker site and download the 4.72 rpms (common,
> > communicator and navigator) then use kpackage to install them
> > Michael Holt
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > KompuKit wrote:
> >
> > > which file(s) do I download for the 4.72 update...
> > > will it work on Mandrake...seeing as most drake files...
> > > are of the i586.rpm  format...
> > >
> > > steve harris wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone asked earlier about browsers.
> > > >
> > > > Not really anything other than Netscape. Mozilla is getting better though,
> > > > M14 is the latest I think.
> > > >
> > > > This 4.72 Netscape is better on my old machine than the 4.61 and 4.70
> > > > "stable" versions.
> > > >
> > > > Download the 4.72 stable versions from this ftp site.
> > > >
> > > > ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/
> > > >
> > > > The single file versions from the Netscape site itself always seemed to be
> > > > unstable.
> > > >
> > > > fwiw
> > > >
> > > > steve

Re: [newbie] browser

[Michael Holt]

Murray Strome wrote:

> OK I give up! I went to the Mandrake Cooker site and could not fine the 4.72 rpms
> -- can you please give us a more specific location?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Murray Strome
>
> Michael Holt wrote:
>
> > Just go to the Mandrake Cooker site and download the 4.72 rpms (common,
> > communicator and navigator) then use kpackage to install them
> > Michael Holt
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > KompuKit wrote:
> >
> > > which file(s) do I download for the 4.72 update...
> > > will it work on Mandrake...seeing as most drake files...
> > > are of the i586.rpm  format...
> > >
> > > steve harris wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Someone asked earlier about browsers.
> > > >
> > > > Not really anything other than Netscape. Mozilla is getting better though,
> > > > M14 is the latest I think.
> > > >
> > > > This 4.72 Netscape is better on my old machine than the 4.61 and 4.70
> > > > "stable" versions.
> > > >
> > > > Download the 4.72 stable versions from this ftp site.
> > > >
> > > > ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/
> > > >
> > > > The single file versions from the Netscape site itself always seemed to be
> > > > unstable.
> > > >
> > > > fwiw
> > > >
> > > > steve

Sorry 'bout that!  First, you should probably bookmark these pages because you'll
want to visit frequently for updates (actually if you sign up as a developer from
the Mandrake home page, you'll get a copy in your email of all the new updates):
ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/MandrakeCooker/contrib/RPMS
ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/MandrakeCooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS

The specific locations of the files you need are:
ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/MandrakeCooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/netscape-common-4.72-1mdk.i586.rpm

ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/MandrakeCooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/netscape-navigator-4.72-1mdk.i586.rpm

ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/MandrakeCooker/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/netscape-communicator-4.72-1mdk.i586.rpm

In case the above links get wrapped to your window size, make sure that you type
each one as a complete line, no spaces.  You need all three files, and then you can
install with kpackage

Michael Holt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie] browser

[Murray Strome]

OK I give up! I went to the Mandrake Cooker site and could not fine the 4.72 rpms
-- can you please give us a more specific location?

Thanks.

Murray Strome

Michael Holt wrote:

> Just go to the Mandrake Cooker site and download the 4.72 rpms (common,
> communicator and navigator) then use kpackage to install them
> Michael Holt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> KompuKit wrote:
>
> > which file(s) do I download for the 4.72 update...
> > will it work on Mandrake...seeing as most drake files...
> > are of the i586.rpm  format...
> >
> > steve harris wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone asked earlier about browsers.
> > >
> > > Not really anything other than Netscape. Mozilla is getting better though,
> > > M14 is the latest I think.
> > >
> > > This 4.72 Netscape is better on my old machine than the 4.61 and 4.70
> > > "stable" versions.
> > >
> > > Download the 4.72 stable versions from this ftp site.
> > >
> > > ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/
> > >
> > > The single file versions from the Netscape site itself always seemed to be
> > > unstable.
> > >
> > > fwiw
> > >
> > > steve

Re: [newbie] browser

[steve harris]

The i386 files run fine on a kernel that is  i586,
it is backwards compatible usually.

Get the common and communicator two files if you want email and newsgroups.
Get the common and navigator two files if you want a browser only.

Get the 4.72 files, not 4.7

Install the common first, which will uninstall the original also.
The install teh corresponding second one you need.

I run the Kpackage to do my work in Mandrake. Not the update facility.

netscape-common-4.72-6.i386.rpm (must have)

netscape-communicator-4.72-6.i386.rpm (email and browser and news)

netscape-navigator-4.72-6.i386.rpm (browser only)

I use these files on a MacMillan 6.0 system which is i586.

steve




Original Message Follows
From: KompuKit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] browser
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:06:42 -0500

which file(s) do I download for the 4.72 update...
will it work on Mandrake...seeing as most drake files...
are of the i586.rpm  format...

steve harris wrote:
 >
 > Someone asked earlier about browsers.
 >
 > Not really anything other than Netscape. Mozilla is getting better 
though,
 > M14 is the latest I think.
 >
 > This 4.72 Netscape is better on my old machine than the 4.61 and 4.70
 > "stable" versions.
 >
 > Download the 4.72 stable versions from this ftp site.
 >
 > ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/
 >
 > The single file versions from the Netscape site itself always seemed to 
be
 > unstable.
 >
 > fwiw
 >
 > steve
 >
 > __
 > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: [newbie] browser

[Anthony Huereca]

You must download this file: 
ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-common-4.72-6.i386.rpm

and then you can choose either communictor (the full thing,
browser+email+newsreader): 
ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-communicator-4.72-6.i386.rpm
or for just the browser:
ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/netscape-navigator-4.72-6.i386.rpm

use "rpm -Uvh the_netscape_file" to upgrade. 
Or if that doesnt' work (I think it may give you dependency errors), try "rpm
--force -Uvh the_netscape_file"


> which file(s) do I download for the 4.72 update...
> will it work on Mandrake...seeing as most drake files...
> are of the i586.rpm  format...
> 
> steve harris wrote:
> > 
> > Someone asked earlier about browsers.
> > 
> > Not really anything other than Netscape. Mozilla is getting better though,
> > M14 is the latest I think.
> > 
> > This 4.72 Netscape is better on my old machine than the 4.61 and 4.70
> > "stable" versions.
> > 
> > Download the 4.72 stable versions from this ftp site.
> > 
> > ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/
> > 
> > The single file versions from the Netscape site itself always seemed to be
> > unstable.
> > 
> > fwiw
> > 
> > steve
> > 
> > __
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> 
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Re: [newbie] browser

[KompuKit]

which file(s) do I download for the 4.72 update...
will it work on Mandrake...seeing as most drake files...
are of the i586.rpm  format...

steve harris wrote:
> 
> Someone asked earlier about browsers.
> 
> Not really anything other than Netscape. Mozilla is getting better though,
> M14 is the latest I think.
> 
> This 4.72 Netscape is better on my old machine than the 4.61 and 4.70
> "stable" versions.
> 
> Download the 4.72 stable versions from this ftp site.
> 
> ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/
> 
> The single file versions from the Netscape site itself always seemed to be
> unstable.
> 
> fwiw
> 
> steve
> 
> __
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: [newbie] browser

[steve harris]

Someone asked earlier about browsers.

Not really anything other than Netscape. Mozilla is getting better though, 
M14 is the latest I think.

This 4.72 Netscape is better on my old machine than the 4.61 and 4.70 
"stable" versions.

Download the 4.72 stable versions from this ftp site.

ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/updates/6.0/i386/

The single file versions from the Netscape site itself always seemed to be 
unstable.

fwiw

steve



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